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Greg-Z: /* Unknown machine gun? */

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Unknown machine gun?

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	I'm not sure now about the machine gun seen here. --[[User:Ben41\|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41\|talk]]) 02:01, 15 September 2013 (EDT)		I'm not sure now about the machine gun seen here. --[[User:Ben41\|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41\|talk]]) 02:01, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
	[[Image:VRE 322.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|On the left, the machine gun is visible.]]		[[Image:VRE 322.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|On the left, the machine gun is visible.]]
			:My guess is that it is a Breda Modello 37 with fake elongated barrel (like Hotchkiss M1914 in ''[[Hornets' Nest]]''). [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 03:29, 15 September 2013 (EDT)

Ben41: /* Unknown machine gun? */ new section

2013-09-15T06:01:36Z

Unknown machine gun?: new section

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	:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)		:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
	::Except you can see the butts of the guns. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 19:15, 14 September 2013 (EDT)		::Except you can see the butts of the guns. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 19:15, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

			== Unknown machine gun? ==

			I'm not sure now about the machine gun seen here. --[[User:Ben41\|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41\|talk]]) 02:01, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
			[[Image:VRE 322.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|On the left, the machine gun is visible.]]

Kooshmeister: /* Italian Officers' Sidearms */

2013-09-14T23:15:02Z

Italian Officers' Sidearms

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	[[Image:von_ryan3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Another shot of the two officers' holsters as Battaglia and Oriani look out the window.]]		[[Image:von_ryan3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Another shot of the two officers' holsters as Battaglia and Oriani look out the window.]]
	:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)		:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
			::Except you can see the butts of the guns. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 19:15, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

Funkychinaman at 21:13, 14 September 2013

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	[[Image:von_ryan2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Oriani introduces Ryan ([[Frank Sinatra]]) to Major Battaglia ([[Adolfo Celi]]). Both Italians have holstered sidearms.]]		[[Image:von_ryan2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Oriani introduces Ryan ([[Frank Sinatra]]) to Major Battaglia ([[Adolfo Celi]]). Both Italians have holstered sidearms.]]
	[[Image:von_ryan3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Another shot of the two officers' holsters as Battaglia and Oriani look out the window.]]		[[Image:von_ryan3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Another shot of the two officers' holsters as Battaglia and Oriani look out the window.]]
			:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

Kooshmeister at 15:35, 14 September 2013

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	==Beretta 38==		==Beretta 38==
	Aren't a few Beretta 38 SMGs seen at the beginning of the film?[[User:Foofbun\|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun\|talk]]) 04:07, 19 March 2013 (EDT)		Aren't a few Beretta 38 SMGs seen at the beginning of the film?[[User:Foofbun\|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun\|talk]]) 04:07, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

			==Italian Officers' Sidearms==
			The Italian officers - Battaglia ([[Adolfo Celi]]) and Oriani ([[Sergio Fantoni]]) - are shown with very smallish holstered sidearms, which they never take out. Can anyone ID them based on the type of holster used? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 11:35, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
			[[Image:von_ryan1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Captain Oriani ([[Sergio Fantoni]]) with his holstered sidearm.]]
			[[Image:von_ryan2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Oriani introduces Ryan ([[Frank Sinatra]]) to Major Battaglia ([[Adolfo Celi]]). Both Italians have holstered sidearms.]]
			[[Image:von_ryan3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Another shot of the two officers' holsters as Battaglia and Oriani look out the window.]]

Foofbun at 08:07, 19 March 2013

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	The Italian guards are shown with Mauser rifles, but would probably have been armed with any number of second-line weapons the Italians were notorious for foisting off on unsuspecting troops. These might have included 7.35mm M38s, old M91 long rifles, or even M91/38s like Lee Harvey Oswald used, both of the latter in 6.5mm. It is unlikely that they would have been armed with front-line German rifles, as Germany would have needed them by this stage of the war.		The Italian guards are shown with Mauser rifles, but would probably have been armed with any number of second-line weapons the Italians were notorious for foisting off on unsuspecting troops. These might have included 7.35mm M38s, old M91 long rifles, or even M91/38s like Lee Harvey Oswald used, both of the latter in 6.5mm. It is unlikely that they would have been armed with front-line German rifles, as Germany would have needed them by this stage of the war.

			==Beretta 38==
			Aren't a few Beretta 38 SMGs seen at the beginning of the film?[[User:Foofbun\|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun\|talk]]) 04:07, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

68.116.212.235 at 16:21, 11 February 2011

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	Although not seen in the film (I think), both the Italian POW camp commandant and his second-in-command, and the German officer in charge of the prison train (travelling in the final coach) have small holsters for an automatic pistol - too small for a P08 or P38. It could actually be the same holster and waistbelt, although the Italians wear it with an extra diagonal brace, Sam Browne style. IKD		Although not seen in the film (I think), both the Italian POW camp commandant and his second-in-command, and the German officer in charge of the prison train (travelling in the final coach) have small holsters for an automatic pistol - too small for a P08 or P38. It could actually be the same holster and waistbelt, although the Italians wear it with an extra diagonal brace, Sam Browne style. IKD

			==Italian Rifles==

			The Italian guards are shown with Mauser rifles, but would probably have been armed with any number of second-line weapons the Italians were notorious for foisting off on unsuspecting troops. These might have included 7.35mm M38s, old M91 long rifles, or even M91/38s like Lee Harvey Oswald used, both of the latter in 6.5mm. It is unlikely that they would have been armed with front-line German rifles, as Germany would have needed them by this stage of the war.

91.109.40.231: Kar98 query

2010-11-01T19:26:21Z

Kar98 query

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Kar98k ? I think they look a bit too long for those and they seem to have straight bolt handles.

It's worth noting that all the soldiers, both German and Italian, armed with the MP40 still seem to have small rifle-ammunition pouches, which would not accomodate a magazine for an MP40.

Although not seen in the film (I think), both the Italian POW camp commandant and his second-in-command, and the German officer in charge of the prison train (travelling in the final coach) have small holsters for an automatic pistol - too small for a P08 or P38. It could actually be the same holster and waistbelt, although the Italians wear it with an extra diagonal brace, Sam Browne style. IKD

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	I'm not sure now about the machine gun seen here. --[[User:Ben41\|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41\|talk]]) 02:01, 15 September 2013 (EDT)		I'm not sure now about the machine gun seen here. --[[User:Ben41\|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41\|talk]]) 02:01, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
	[[Image:VRE 322.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|On the left, the machine gun is visible.]]		[[Image:VRE 322.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|On the left, the machine gun is visible.]]
			:My guess is that it is a Breda Modello 37 with fake elongated barrel (like Hotchkiss M1914 in ''[[Hornets' Nest]]''). [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 03:29, 15 September 2013 (EDT)

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	:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)		:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
	::Except you can see the butts of the guns. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 19:15, 14 September 2013 (EDT)		::Except you can see the butts of the guns. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 19:15, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

			== Unknown machine gun? ==

			I'm not sure now about the machine gun seen here. --[[User:Ben41\|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41\|talk]]) 02:01, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
			[[Image:VRE 322.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|On the left, the machine gun is visible.]]

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	[[Image:von_ryan3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Another shot of the two officers' holsters as Battaglia and Oriani look out the window.]]		[[Image:von_ryan3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Another shot of the two officers' holsters as Battaglia and Oriani look out the window.]]
	:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)		:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
			::Except you can see the butts of the guns. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 19:15, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

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	[[Image:von_ryan2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Oriani introduces Ryan ([[Frank Sinatra]]) to Major Battaglia ([[Adolfo Celi]]). Both Italians have holstered sidearms.]]		[[Image:von_ryan2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Oriani introduces Ryan ([[Frank Sinatra]]) to Major Battaglia ([[Adolfo Celi]]). Both Italians have holstered sidearms.]]
	[[Image:von_ryan3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Another shot of the two officers' holsters as Battaglia and Oriani look out the window.]]		[[Image:von_ryan3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Another shot of the two officers' holsters as Battaglia and Oriani look out the window.]]
			:It could just be an empty holster for all we know. You can't really tell with these military flap holsters. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)