https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AThe_Way_of_the_GunTalk:The Way of the Gun - Revision history2026-05-28T19:20:42ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.41.0https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Way_of_the_Gun&diff=1589946&oldid=prevWuzh: Wuzh moved page Talk:Way of the Gun, The to Talk:The Way of the Gun2023-07-11T17:19:16Z<p>Wuzh moved page <a href="/wiki/Talk:Way_of_the_Gun,_The" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Way of the Gun, The">Talk:Way of the Gun, The</a> to <a href="/wiki/Talk:The_Way_of_the_Gun" title="Talk:The Way of the Gun">Talk:The Way of the Gun</a></p>
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</table>Carl N. Brownhttps://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Way_of_the_Gun&diff=1153121&oldid=prevJcordell: /* Mr. Parker and Longbough */2018-01-08T23:11:46Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Mr. Parker and Longbough</span></span></p>
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</table>Jcordellhttps://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Way_of_the_Gun&diff=1091620&oldid=prevSerpico1911: /* Parker and Longbaugh's handguns */2017-03-17T11:27:28Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Parker and Longbaugh's handguns</span></span></p>
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</table>Serpico1911https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Way_of_the_Gun&diff=1091619&oldid=prevSerpico1911: /* Parker and Longbaugh's handguns */2017-03-17T11:27:10Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Parker and Longbaugh's handguns</span></span></p>
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</table>Joffeloffhttps://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Way_of_the_Gun&diff=648420&oldid=prevCool-breeze: /* Parker and Longbaugh's handguns */2013-01-10T11:29:44Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Parker and Longbaugh's handguns</span></span></p>
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</table>Cool-breezehttps://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Way_of_the_Gun&diff=648412&oldid=prevChitoryu12 at 10:43, 10 January 20132013-01-10T10:43:11Z<p></p>
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