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Kooshmeister: /* Luger? */

2014-08-25T09:34:23Z

Luger?

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	==Luger?==		==Luger?==
	I noticed the SS adjutant (Wolf Kahler) has a holstered sidearm of some sort. A Luger possibly? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:33, 25 August 2014 (EDT)		I noticed the SS adjutant ([[Wolf Kahler]]) has a holstered sidearm of some sort. A Luger possibly? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:33, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
	[[Image:keep_luger1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|The adjutant shoves Eva down.]]		[[Image:keep_luger1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|The adjutant shoves Eva down.]]
	[[Image:keep_luger2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|The adjutant turns back to the situation with Glaeken ([[Scott Glenn]]).]]		[[Image:keep_luger2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|The adjutant turns back to the situation with Glaeken ([[Scott Glenn]]).]]

Kooshmeister at 09:33, 25 August 2014

2014-08-25T09:33:51Z

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	::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
	:::::::I have no clue--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 21:59, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		:::::::I have no clue--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 21:59, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

			==Luger?==
			I noticed the SS adjutant (Wolf Kahler) has a holstered sidearm of some sort. A Luger possibly? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:33, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
			[[Image:keep_luger1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|The adjutant shoves Eva down.]]
			[[Image:keep_luger2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|The adjutant turns back to the situation with Glaeken ([[Scott Glenn]]).]]

	==Changing Guns/Actors==		==Changing Guns/Actors==
	One of the SS soldiers (an uncredited [[Doug Robinson]]) inexplicably changes weapons and ammo pouches between exterior and interior shots during the scene where the Nazis come for Glaeken. He's seen behind the adjutant ([[Wolf Kahler]]). Although it's difficult to tell because he's mostly hidden behind his superior, he has an MP28. This can be seen in how he cocks the weapon, and by the side-mounted magazone seen sticking out from behind Wolf Kahler. Also, as he cocks it, you can see the large ammo pouches worn by the MP28-wielding Nazis. However, when the group moves outside, suddenly he's armed with a Karabiner 98k with appropriate smaller ammo pouches. And what's more, when the six of them (minus the guy Glaeken chucks down the chasm) return to the keep, in another interior sequence, he's been recast! He's a shorter and younger and missing some of the Doug Robinson soldier's medals, but since he has the 98k and enters with the other five men, he must be intended to be the same guy. ALL of the other guys' actors, guns and ammo remain consistent between the interior-exterior-interior sequences EXCEPT this one guy. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:27, 25 August 2014 (EDT)		One of the SS soldiers (an uncredited [[Doug Robinson]]) inexplicably changes weapons and ammo pouches between exterior and interior shots during the scene where the Nazis come for Glaeken ([[Scott Glenn]]). He's seen behind the adjutant ([[Wolf Kahler]]). Although it's difficult to tell because he's mostly hidden behind his superior, he has an MP28. This can be seen in how he cocks the weapon, and by the side-mounted magazone seen sticking out from behind Wolf Kahler. Also, as he cocks it, you can see the large ammo pouches worn by the MP28-wielding Nazis. However, when the group moves outside, suddenly he's armed with a Karabiner 98k with appropriate smaller ammo pouches. And what's more, when the six of them (minus the guy Glaeken chucks down the chasm) return to the keep, in another interior sequence, he's been recast! He's a shorter and younger and missing some of the Doug Robinson soldier's medals, but since he has the 98k and enters with the other five men, he must be intended to be the same guy. ALL of the other guys' actors, guns and ammo remain consistent between the interior-exterior-interior sequences EXCEPT this one guy. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:27, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Kooshmeister: /* Changing Guns/Actors */

2014-08-25T09:28:51Z

Changing Guns/Actors

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	==Changing Guns/Actors==		==Changing Guns/Actors==
	One of the SS soldiers (an uncredited [[Doug Robinson]]) inexplicably changes weapons and ammo pouches between exterior and interior shots during the scene where the Nazis come for Glaeken. He's seen behind the adjutant ([[Wolf Kahler]]). Although it's difficult to tell because he's mostly hidden behind his superior, he has an MP28. This can be seen in how he cocks the weapon, and by the side-mounted magazone seen sticking out from behind Wolf Kahler. Also, as he cocks it, you can see the large ammo pouches worn by the MP28-wielding Nazis. However, when the group moves outside, suddenly he's armed with a Karabiner 98k with appropriate smaller ammo pouches. And what's more, when the six of them (minus the guy Glaeken chucks down the chasm) return to the keep, in another interior sequence~~, although this soldier's weapon changed back to an MP28~~, he's been recast! He's a shorter and younger and missing some of the Doug Robinson soldier's medals, but since he enters with the other five men, he must be intended to be the same guy. ALL of the other guys' actors, guns and ammo remain consistent between the interior-exterior-interior sequences EXCEPT this one guy. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:27, 25 August 2014 (EDT)		One of the SS soldiers (an uncredited [[Doug Robinson]]) inexplicably changes weapons and ammo pouches between exterior and interior shots during the scene where the Nazis come for Glaeken. He's seen behind the adjutant ([[Wolf Kahler]]). Although it's difficult to tell because he's mostly hidden behind his superior, he has an MP28. This can be seen in how he cocks the weapon, and by the side-mounted magazone seen sticking out from behind Wolf Kahler. Also, as he cocks it, you can see the large ammo pouches worn by the MP28-wielding Nazis. However, when the group moves outside, suddenly he's armed with a Karabiner 98k with appropriate smaller ammo pouches. And what's more, when the six of them (minus the guy Glaeken chucks down the chasm) return to the keep, in another interior sequence, he's been recast! He's a shorter and younger and missing some of the Doug Robinson soldier's medals, but since he has the 98k and enters with the other five men, he must be intended to be the same guy. ALL of the other guys' actors, guns and ammo remain consistent between the interior-exterior-interior sequences EXCEPT this one guy. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:27, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Kooshmeister at 09:27, 25 August 2014

2014-08-25T09:27:56Z

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	::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
	:::::::I have no clue--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 21:59, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		:::::::I have no clue--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 21:59, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

			==Changing Guns/Actors==
			One of the SS soldiers (an uncredited [[Doug Robinson]]) inexplicably changes weapons and ammo pouches between exterior and interior shots during the scene where the Nazis come for Glaeken. He's seen behind the adjutant ([[Wolf Kahler]]). Although it's difficult to tell because he's mostly hidden behind his superior, he has an MP28. This can be seen in how he cocks the weapon, and by the side-mounted magazone seen sticking out from behind Wolf Kahler. Also, as he cocks it, you can see the large ammo pouches worn by the MP28-wielding Nazis. However, when the group moves outside, suddenly he's armed with a Karabiner 98k with appropriate smaller ammo pouches. And what's more, when the six of them (minus the guy Glaeken chucks down the chasm) return to the keep, in another interior sequence, although this soldier's weapon changed back to an MP28, he's been recast! He's a shorter and younger and missing some of the Doug Robinson soldier's medals, but since he enters with the other five men, he must be intended to be the same guy. ALL of the other guys' actors, guns and ammo remain consistent between the interior-exterior-interior sequences EXCEPT this one guy. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:27, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

John Ryder: /* DVD */

2014-06-18T01:59:45Z

DVD

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	:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
	::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
			:::::::I have no clue--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 21:59, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

Kooshmeister: /* DVD */

2014-06-17T22:31:00Z

DVD

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	::::It isn't a very good presentation of the film. It's not in widescreen and has very low sound quality (it's almost impossible to hear the dialogue half the time). The Laserdisc transfer I used for the screenshots for this movie ''is'' in widescreen and has good sound quality (even if the picture is really soft). [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:50, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		::::It isn't a very good presentation of the film. It's not in widescreen and has very low sound quality (it's almost impossible to hear the dialogue half the time). The Laserdisc transfer I used for the screenshots for this movie ''is'' in widescreen and has good sound quality (even if the picture is really soft). [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:50, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
	:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
			::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

John Ryder: /* DVD */

2014-06-17T21:45:01Z

DVD

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	:::Netflix has it now on Instant View. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|funkychinaman]] 16:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)		:::Netflix has it now on Instant View. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|funkychinaman]] 16:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::It isn't a very good presentation of the film. It's not in widescreen and has very low sound quality (it's almost impossible to hear the dialogue half the time). The Laserdisc transfer I used for the screenshots for this movie ''is'' in widescreen and has good sound quality (even if the picture is really soft). [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:50, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		::::It isn't a very good presentation of the film. It's not in widescreen and has very low sound quality (it's almost impossible to hear the dialogue half the time). The Laserdisc transfer I used for the screenshots for this movie ''is'' in widescreen and has good sound quality (even if the picture is really soft). [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:50, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
			:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

Kooshmeister: /* Iron Guard Rifles */

2014-06-17T10:02:32Z

Iron Guard Rifles

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	==Iron Guard Rifles==		==Iron Guard Rifles==
	:I'm a little uncertain they're actually K98s the more I look at them. Can anyone identify them? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:52, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		I'm a little uncertain they're actually K98s the more I look at them. Can anyone identify them? I've tried Googling information of what weapons the Iron Guard used but nothing terribly helpful turns up. There seems to be very little information about the fascist Romanian military and its weapons. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:52, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

	==Uniforms, Equipment, And A Few Other Bits And Pieces==		==Uniforms, Equipment, And A Few Other Bits And Pieces==

Kooshmeister at 09:52, 17 June 2014

2014-06-17T09:52:52Z

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			==Iron Guard Rifles==
			:I'm a little uncertain they're actually K98s the more I look at them. Can anyone identify them? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:52, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

	==Uniforms, Equipment, And A Few Other Bits And Pieces==		==Uniforms, Equipment, And A Few Other Bits And Pieces==
	In the introduction to the film (written by MoviePropMaster2008) the following appears:		In the introduction to the film (written by MoviePropMaster2008) the following appears:

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	::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
	:::::::I have no clue--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 21:59, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		:::::::I have no clue--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 21:59, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

			==Luger?==
			I noticed the SS adjutant (Wolf Kahler) has a holstered sidearm of some sort. A Luger possibly? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:33, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
			[[Image:keep_luger1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|The adjutant shoves Eva down.]]
			[[Image:keep_luger2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|The adjutant turns back to the situation with Glaeken ([[Scott Glenn]]).]]

	==Changing Guns/Actors==		==Changing Guns/Actors==
	One of the SS soldiers (an uncredited [[Doug Robinson]]) inexplicably changes weapons and ammo pouches between exterior and interior shots during the scene where the Nazis come for Glaeken. He's seen behind the adjutant ([[Wolf Kahler]]). Although it's difficult to tell because he's mostly hidden behind his superior, he has an MP28. This can be seen in how he cocks the weapon, and by the side-mounted magazone seen sticking out from behind Wolf Kahler. Also, as he cocks it, you can see the large ammo pouches worn by the MP28-wielding Nazis. However, when the group moves outside, suddenly he's armed with a Karabiner 98k with appropriate smaller ammo pouches. And what's more, when the six of them (minus the guy Glaeken chucks down the chasm) return to the keep, in another interior sequence, he's been recast! He's a shorter and younger and missing some of the Doug Robinson soldier's medals, but since he has the 98k and enters with the other five men, he must be intended to be the same guy. ALL of the other guys' actors, guns and ammo remain consistent between the interior-exterior-interior sequences EXCEPT this one guy. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:27, 25 August 2014 (EDT)		One of the SS soldiers (an uncredited [[Doug Robinson]]) inexplicably changes weapons and ammo pouches between exterior and interior shots during the scene where the Nazis come for Glaeken ([[Scott Glenn]]). He's seen behind the adjutant ([[Wolf Kahler]]). Although it's difficult to tell because he's mostly hidden behind his superior, he has an MP28. This can be seen in how he cocks the weapon, and by the side-mounted magazone seen sticking out from behind Wolf Kahler. Also, as he cocks it, you can see the large ammo pouches worn by the MP28-wielding Nazis. However, when the group moves outside, suddenly he's armed with a Karabiner 98k with appropriate smaller ammo pouches. And what's more, when the six of them (minus the guy Glaeken chucks down the chasm) return to the keep, in another interior sequence, he's been recast! He's a shorter and younger and missing some of the Doug Robinson soldier's medals, but since he has the 98k and enters with the other five men, he must be intended to be the same guy. ALL of the other guys' actors, guns and ammo remain consistent between the interior-exterior-interior sequences EXCEPT this one guy. [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:27, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

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	:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
	::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
			:::::::I have no clue--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 21:59, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

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	::::It isn't a very good presentation of the film. It's not in widescreen and has very low sound quality (it's almost impossible to hear the dialogue half the time). The Laserdisc transfer I used for the screenshots for this movie ''is'' in widescreen and has good sound quality (even if the picture is really soft). [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:50, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		::::It isn't a very good presentation of the film. It's not in widescreen and has very low sound quality (it's almost impossible to hear the dialogue half the time). The Laserdisc transfer I used for the screenshots for this movie ''is'' in widescreen and has good sound quality (even if the picture is really soft). [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:50, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
	:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
			::::::Well, ''that'' sucks. How come it's on Netflix then? [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 18:31, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

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	:::Netflix has it now on Instant View. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|funkychinaman]] 16:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)		:::Netflix has it now on Instant View. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|funkychinaman]] 16:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::It isn't a very good presentation of the film. It's not in widescreen and has very low sound quality (it's almost impossible to hear the dialogue half the time). The Laserdisc transfer I used for the screenshots for this movie ''is'' in widescreen and has good sound quality (even if the picture is really soft). [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:50, 17 June 2014 (EDT)		::::It isn't a very good presentation of the film. It's not in widescreen and has very low sound quality (it's almost impossible to hear the dialogue half the time). The Laserdisc transfer I used for the screenshots for this movie ''is'' in widescreen and has good sound quality (even if the picture is really soft). [[User:Kooshmeister\|Kooshmeister]] ([[User talk:Kooshmeister\|talk]]) 05:50, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
			:::::Two reasons why this isn't out on DVD yet: 1. Paramount couldn't secure the rights to the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. 2. Mann has disowned the film and forced Paramount to not release it--[[User:John Ryder\|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder\|talk]]) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (EDT)