Talk:State of Siege - Revision history

Slon95 at 18:06, 17 January 2021

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	:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)		:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)
	::Thanks, an interesting idea. The folding stock also can be from the Madsen M50 that was widely used in South America or its Brazilian clone INA 953. I'll try to search for something of this kind. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 11:29, 17 November 2020 (EST)		::Thanks, an interesting idea. The folding stock also can be from the Madsen M50 that was widely used in South America or its Brazilian clone INA 953. I'll try to search for something of this kind. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 11:29, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			:::I guess [[Hell_of_the_Living_Dead#Thompson_M1A1_.28Replica.29\|what it is]]. Before the introduction of PAF, the only well-known SMGs in Chile were the Lanchester Mk1, purchased from British surplus, and the SA vz. 23. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 13:06, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Greg-Z at 16:29, 17 November 2020

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	As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)		As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)
	:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)		:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			::Thanks, an interesting idea. The folding stock also can be from the Madsen M50 that was widely used in South America or its Brazilian clone INA 953. I'll try to search for something of this kind. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 11:29, 17 November 2020 (EST)

Black Irish Paddy at 13:25, 17 November 2020

2020-11-17T13:25:16Z

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	As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)		As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)

Greg-Z at 10:13, 17 November 2020

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	:It is really strange gun, I tried to identify it for a long time but without success. Concerning MAS-38, it has a similarity but the bolt of MAS-38 recoils into the tube in the buttstock, so replacing the buttstock could make the gun unable to operate. Maybe this is a non-firing model of the SMG. I also have a guess that as the movie was filmed in Chile, this gun may be some Chilean domestic produced gun. Chilean gun manufacturer FAMAE acted from 19th century, possibly it produced some original weapons, but I couldn't find anything similar. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 02:45, 17 November 2020 (EST)		:It is really strange gun, I tried to identify it for a long time but without success. Concerning MAS-38, it has a similarity but the bolt of MAS-38 recoils into the tube in the buttstock, so replacing the buttstock could make the gun unable to operate. Maybe this is a non-firing model of the SMG. I also have a guess that as the movie was filmed in Chile, this gun may be some Chilean domestic produced gun. Chilean gun manufacturer FAMAE acted from 19th century, possibly it produced some original weapons, but I couldn't find anything similar. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 02:45, 17 November 2020 (EST)
	::While looking on this gun again, I begin to doubt if this is an SMG. The magazine may be thicker than the one for 9 Par or .45. Maybe a police riot gun or a magazine-fed shotgun? --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (EST)		::While looking on this gun again, I begin to doubt if this is an SMG. The magazine may be thicker than the one for 9 Par or .45. Maybe a police riot gun or a magazine-fed shotgun? --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			A bit of photoshop:
			[[File:Etat de siege-SMG-4PS.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|]]
			[[File:Etat de siege-SMG-5PS.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|]]
			As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)

Greg-Z at 10:02, 17 November 2020

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	SMG looks strange. The buttstock is attached to the top (which in theory would block view the sights), and the barrel is too thin. Perhaps this is a MAS-38 with a new buttstock and forearm attached, although the reason for such changes is not clear. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (EST)		SMG looks strange. The buttstock is attached to the top (which in theory would block view the sights), and the barrel is too thin. Perhaps this is a MAS-38 with a new buttstock and forearm attached, although the reason for such changes is not clear. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (EST)
	:It is really strange gun, I tried to identify it for a long time but without success. Concerning MAS-38, it has a similarity but the bolt of MAS-38 recoils into the tube in the buttstock, so replacing the buttstock could make the gun unable to operate. Maybe this is a non-firing model of the SMG. I also have a guess that as the movie was filmed in Chile, this gun may be some Chilean domestic produced gun. Chilean gun manufacturer FAMAE acted from 19th century, possibly it produced some original weapons, but I couldn't find anything similar. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 02:45, 17 November 2020 (EST)		:It is really strange gun, I tried to identify it for a long time but without success. Concerning MAS-38, it has a similarity but the bolt of MAS-38 recoils into the tube in the buttstock, so replacing the buttstock could make the gun unable to operate. Maybe this is a non-firing model of the SMG. I also have a guess that as the movie was filmed in Chile, this gun may be some Chilean domestic produced gun. Chilean gun manufacturer FAMAE acted from 19th century, possibly it produced some original weapons, but I couldn't find anything similar. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 02:45, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			::While looking on this gun again, I begin to doubt if this is an SMG. The magazine may be thicker than the one for 9 Par or .45. Maybe a police riot gun or a magazine-fed shotgun? --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (EST)

Greg-Z at 07:45, 17 November 2020

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	SMG looks strange. The buttstock is attached to the top (which in theory would block view the sights), and the barrel is too thin. Perhaps this is a MAS-38 with a new buttstock and forearm attached, although the reason for such changes is not clear. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (EST)		SMG looks strange. The buttstock is attached to the top (which in theory would block view the sights), and the barrel is too thin. Perhaps this is a MAS-38 with a new buttstock and forearm attached, although the reason for such changes is not clear. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (EST)
			:It is really strange gun, I tried to identify it for a long time but without success. Concerning MAS-38, it has a similarity but the bolt of MAS-38 recoils into the tube in the buttstock, so replacing the buttstock could make the gun unable to operate. Maybe this is a non-firing model of the SMG. I also have a guess that as the movie was filmed in Chile, this gun may be some Chilean domestic produced gun. Chilean gun manufacturer FAMAE acted from 19th century, possibly it produced some original weapons, but I couldn't find anything similar. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 02:45, 17 November 2020 (EST)

Slon95 at 21:55, 16 November 2020

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	SMG looks strange. The buttstock is attached to the top (which in theory would block view the sights), and the barrel is too thin. Perhaps this is a ~~MAT~~-38 with a new buttstock and forearm attached, although the reason for such changes is not clear. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (EST)		SMG looks strange. The buttstock is attached to the top (which in theory would block view the sights), and the barrel is too thin. Perhaps this is a MAS-38 with a new buttstock and forearm attached, although the reason for such changes is not clear. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (EST)

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SMG looks strange. The buttstock is attached to the top (which in theory would block view the sights), and the barrel is too thin. Perhaps this is a MAT-38 with a new buttstock and forearm attached, although the reason for such changes is not clear. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (EST)

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	:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)		:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)
	::Thanks, an interesting idea. The folding stock also can be from the Madsen M50 that was widely used in South America or its Brazilian clone INA 953. I'll try to search for something of this kind. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 11:29, 17 November 2020 (EST)		::Thanks, an interesting idea. The folding stock also can be from the Madsen M50 that was widely used in South America or its Brazilian clone INA 953. I'll try to search for something of this kind. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 11:29, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			:::I guess [[Hell_of_the_Living_Dead#Thompson_M1A1_.28Replica.29\|what it is]]. Before the introduction of PAF, the only well-known SMGs in Chile were the Lanchester Mk1, purchased from British surplus, and the SA vz. 23. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 13:06, 17 January 2021 (EST)

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	As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)		As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)
	:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)		:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			::Thanks, an interesting idea. The folding stock also can be from the Madsen M50 that was widely used in South America or its Brazilian clone INA 953. I'll try to search for something of this kind. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 11:29, 17 November 2020 (EST)

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	As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)		As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			:Ingram Model 6? [[File:Ingram_M6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px]] Cut down the fore end and add a side folding stock from a Carl Gustav M/45 and see where it takes you, also the opposite side looks decent as far as showing the cut out for the charging handle going back far enough to be over the pistol grip. Narrows it down some but might not be the gun, although it points us in the right direction. [[User:Black Irish Paddy\|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy\|talk]]) 08:25, 17 November 2020 (EST)

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	:It is really strange gun, I tried to identify it for a long time but without success. Concerning MAS-38, it has a similarity but the bolt of MAS-38 recoils into the tube in the buttstock, so replacing the buttstock could make the gun unable to operate. Maybe this is a non-firing model of the SMG. I also have a guess that as the movie was filmed in Chile, this gun may be some Chilean domestic produced gun. Chilean gun manufacturer FAMAE acted from 19th century, possibly it produced some original weapons, but I couldn't find anything similar. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 02:45, 17 November 2020 (EST)		:It is really strange gun, I tried to identify it for a long time but without success. Concerning MAS-38, it has a similarity but the bolt of MAS-38 recoils into the tube in the buttstock, so replacing the buttstock could make the gun unable to operate. Maybe this is a non-firing model of the SMG. I also have a guess that as the movie was filmed in Chile, this gun may be some Chilean domestic produced gun. Chilean gun manufacturer FAMAE acted from 19th century, possibly it produced some original weapons, but I couldn't find anything similar. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 02:45, 17 November 2020 (EST)
	::While looking on this gun again, I begin to doubt if this is an SMG. The magazine may be thicker than the one for 9 Par or .45. Maybe a police riot gun or a magazine-fed shotgun? --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (EST)		::While looking on this gun again, I begin to doubt if this is an SMG. The magazine may be thicker than the one for 9 Par or .45. Maybe a police riot gun or a magazine-fed shotgun? --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			A bit of photoshop:
			[[File:Etat de siege-SMG-4PS.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|]]
			[[File:Etat de siege-SMG-5PS.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|]]
			As far as I can see, the gun has a skeleton buttstock, as through it we can see the crease of the uniform. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:13, 17 November 2020 (EST)

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	SMG looks strange. The buttstock is attached to the top (which in theory would block view the sights), and the barrel is too thin. Perhaps this is a MAS-38 with a new buttstock and forearm attached, although the reason for such changes is not clear. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (EST)		SMG looks strange. The buttstock is attached to the top (which in theory would block view the sights), and the barrel is too thin. Perhaps this is a MAS-38 with a new buttstock and forearm attached, although the reason for such changes is not clear. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (EST)
	:It is really strange gun, I tried to identify it for a long time but without success. Concerning MAS-38, it has a similarity but the bolt of MAS-38 recoils into the tube in the buttstock, so replacing the buttstock could make the gun unable to operate. Maybe this is a non-firing model of the SMG. I also have a guess that as the movie was filmed in Chile, this gun may be some Chilean domestic produced gun. Chilean gun manufacturer FAMAE acted from 19th century, possibly it produced some original weapons, but I couldn't find anything similar. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 02:45, 17 November 2020 (EST)		:It is really strange gun, I tried to identify it for a long time but without success. Concerning MAS-38, it has a similarity but the bolt of MAS-38 recoils into the tube in the buttstock, so replacing the buttstock could make the gun unable to operate. Maybe this is a non-firing model of the SMG. I also have a guess that as the movie was filmed in Chile, this gun may be some Chilean domestic produced gun. Chilean gun manufacturer FAMAE acted from 19th century, possibly it produced some original weapons, but I couldn't find anything similar. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 02:45, 17 November 2020 (EST)
			::While looking on this gun again, I begin to doubt if this is an SMG. The magazine may be thicker than the one for 9 Par or .45. Maybe a police riot gun or a magazine-fed shotgun? --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (EST)