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Antediluvial: /* Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4? */

2022-10-14T19:00:22Z

Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4?

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	:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.		:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.
	:: Fair point, the fact that it's pump action despite being depicted with a clear semi-automatic charging handle really bothers me. I guess that could be an animation or coding mistake and it should actually be semi-auto, but yeah on closer inspection the receiver is clearly that of an M4 as is the grip, sights and stock assembly. The pump, barrel and barrel shroud are clearly custom made though. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 22:23, 2 February 2022 (EST)		:: Fair point, the fact that it's pump action despite being depicted with a clear semi-automatic charging handle really bothers me. I guess that could be an animation or coding mistake and it should actually be semi-auto, but yeah on closer inspection the receiver is clearly that of an M4 as is the grip, sights and stock assembly. The pump, barrel and barrel shroud are clearly custom made though. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 22:23, 2 February 2022 (EST)

			:::Coming back to this, but what if we consider it a hybrid? The receiver is that of an M4 but its been modified/gunsmithed with a custom pump-action mechanism from another weapon, turning it from a semi-auto into a pump-action. I think changing the name to reflect that it's a "Benelli M4 Super 90/Pump-Action Hybrid" would be a good idea. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 19:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Antediluvial at 03:23, 3 February 2022

2022-02-03T03:23:07Z

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	Are we considering the Echo S3 Shotgun as a Benelli M4? Its pump action only, which would make it closer to a Benelli M3. The M4 is semi-automatic only while the M3 is dual-mode between pump and semi-auto. The in game model has an M4 style collapsing stock sure, but that can be fitted on an M3 with some gunsmithing. Otherwise it seems to be closer to an M3; the confusing parts are that its integrally suppressed (something no Benelli has ever been capable of) and has a 6+1 capacity. M3s and M4s are shipped with 5 round tubes but can fit 7 round tubes. I'd say the entry on the wiki page should change to reflect its actually an M3 and the picture updated to reflect that too, but I want to hear other's thoughts as well. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 20:53, 2 February 2022 (EST)		Are we considering the Echo S3 Shotgun as a Benelli M4? Its pump action only, which would make it closer to a Benelli M3. The M4 is semi-automatic only while the M3 is dual-mode between pump and semi-auto. The in game model has an M4 style collapsing stock sure, but that can be fitted on an M3 with some gunsmithing. Otherwise it seems to be closer to an M3; the confusing parts are that its integrally suppressed (something no Benelli has ever been capable of) and has a 6+1 capacity. M3s and M4s are shipped with 5 round tubes but can fit 7 round tubes. I'd say the entry on the wiki page should change to reflect its actually an M3 and the picture updated to reflect that too, but I want to hear other's thoughts as well. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 20:53, 2 February 2022 (EST)
	:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.		:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.
			:: Fair point, the fact that it's pump action despite being depicted with a clear semi-automatic charging handle really bothers me. I guess that could be an animation or coding mistake and it should actually be semi-auto, but yeah on closer inspection the receiver is clearly that of an M4 as is the grip, sights and stock assembly. The pump, barrel and barrel shroud are clearly custom made though. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 22:23, 2 February 2022 (EST)

Pyr0m4n14c: /* Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4? */

2022-02-03T02:42:27Z

Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4?

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	== Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4? ==		==Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4?==

	Are we considering the Echo S3 Shotgun as a Benelli M4? Its pump action only, which would make it closer to a Benelli M3. The M4 is semi-automatic only while the M3 is dual-mode between pump and semi-auto. The in game model has an M4 style collapsing stock sure, but that can be fitted on an M3 with some gunsmithing. Otherwise it seems to be closer to an M3; the confusing parts are that its integrally suppressed (something no Benelli has ever been capable of) and has a 6+1 capacity. M3s and M4s are shipped with 5 round tubes but can fit 7 round tubes. I'd say the entry on the wiki page should change to reflect its actually an M3 and the picture updated to reflect that too, but I want to hear other's thoughts as well. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 20:53, 2 February 2022 (EST)		Are we considering the Echo S3 Shotgun as a Benelli M4? Its pump action only, which would make it closer to a Benelli M3. The M4 is semi-automatic only while the M3 is dual-mode between pump and semi-auto. The in game model has an M4 style collapsing stock sure, but that can be fitted on an M3 with some gunsmithing. Otherwise it seems to be closer to an M3; the confusing parts are that its integrally suppressed (something no Benelli has ever been capable of) and has a 6+1 capacity. M3s and M4s are shipped with 5 round tubes but can fit 7 round tubes. I'd say the entry on the wiki page should change to reflect its actually an M3 and the picture updated to reflect that too, but I want to hear other's thoughts as well. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 20:53, 2 February 2022 (EST)
			:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.

Antediluvial: /* Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4? */ new section

2022-02-03T01:53:55Z

Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4?: new section

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	==="Spyglass Rifle"===		==="Spyglass Rifle"===
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			== Echo S3 Shotgun=Benelli M3 or M4? ==

			Are we considering the Echo S3 Shotgun as a Benelli M4? Its pump action only, which would make it closer to a Benelli M3. The M4 is semi-automatic only while the M3 is dual-mode between pump and semi-auto. The in game model has an M4 style collapsing stock sure, but that can be fitted on an M3 with some gunsmithing. Otherwise it seems to be closer to an M3; the confusing parts are that its integrally suppressed (something no Benelli has ever been capable of) and has a 6+1 capacity. M3s and M4s are shipped with 5 round tubes but can fit 7 round tubes. I'd say the entry on the wiki page should change to reflect its actually an M3 and the picture updated to reflect that too, but I want to hear other's thoughts as well. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 20:53, 2 February 2022 (EST)

Mateogala: /* "Echo-S2 Rifle" */

2021-07-04T18:06:42Z

"Echo-S2 Rifle"

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	:It's some sort of bolt-action .22 - maybe a [[Marlin Model 25]]? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 14:50, 3 July 2021 (EDT)		:It's some sort of bolt-action .22 - maybe a [[Marlin Model 25]]? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 14:50, 3 July 2021 (EDT)

			==="Otoe Howlitzer"===
			[[file:StateOfDecay2 Otoe Howlitzer 1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px]]

			==="Spyglass Rifle"===
			[[file:StateOfDecay2 Spyglass Rifle 1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px]]

Ultimate94ninja: /* Please identify the weapon. */

2021-07-04T17:47:10Z

Please identify the weapon.

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	I'm inclined to say the RTX Cyclone is a [[Draco Pistol\|Micro Draco]] pistol with a Saiga 12 mag added to it. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 07:25, 4 July 2021 (EDT)		I'm inclined to say the RTX Cyclone is a [[Draco Pistol\|Micro Draco]] pistol with a Saiga 12 mag added to it. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 07:25, 4 July 2021 (EDT)
			:No, it's actually a Saiga 12 with a very short barrel (around 6 inches). It has a Saiga's receiver (note the rivet pattern), and the location of the magazine release also matches it. Plus, the front sight is different from the Draco, and looks like some of those seen on Saiga 12 SBS configurations. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 13:47, 4 July 2021 (EDT)

	==="D-BAR" and "D-Bartini"===		==="D-BAR" and "D-Bartini"===

Spartan198: /* Please identify the weapon. */

2021-07-04T11:25:49Z

Please identify the weapon.

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	::::Echo-S1 Revolver - This is a unique model. There is no original equivalent in the game. What do you think model 460 or model 500?--[[User:Mateogala\|Emto_PL]] ([[User talk:Mateogala\|talk]]) 18:01, 2 July 2021 (EDT)		::::Echo-S1 Revolver - This is a unique model. There is no original equivalent in the game. What do you think model 460 or model 500?--[[User:Mateogala\|Emto_PL]] ([[User talk:Mateogala\|talk]]) 18:01, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
	:::::If I had to guess, I'd say it's an M500 (based on the M500 being the more common version, plus it having appeared in the previous game - if it isn't in yet, I'd be willing to bet it shows up in a future update), but unless you can spot a marking somewhere on the gun that distinguishes it, there's no real practical way to tell. The only real visual distinguishing feature between the 460 and the 500 is that the former has a large "X" marked on it, so I guess you could call the presence/absence of that evidence of it being a 460 or a 500 (respectively). [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 22:10, 2 July 2021 (EDT)		:::::If I had to guess, I'd say it's an M500 (based on the M500 being the more common version, plus it having appeared in the previous game - if it isn't in yet, I'd be willing to bet it shows up in a future update), but unless you can spot a marking somewhere on the gun that distinguishes it, there's no real practical way to tell. The only real visual distinguishing feature between the 460 and the 500 is that the former has a large "X" marked on it, so I guess you could call the presence/absence of that evidence of it being a 460 or a 500 (respectively). [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 22:10, 2 July 2021 (EDT)

			I'm inclined to say the RTX Cyclone is a [[Draco Pistol\|Micro Draco]] pistol with a Saiga 12 mag added to it. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 07:25, 4 July 2021 (EDT)

Pyr0m4n14c: /* "D-BAR" and "D-Bartini" */

2021-07-04T02:37:53Z

"D-BAR" and "D-Bartini"

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	:Don't know if it's just the angle, but the barrel looks to be ''above'' the receiver, which combined with the other stuff (magazine, the AR to AK receiver transition, adjustable length of pull and cheek piece without anyway to adjust them) says "frankengun" (or at least, a really bad model) to me. --[[User:VladVladson\|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson\|talk]]) 17:57, 3 July 2021 (EDT)		:Don't know if it's just the angle, but the barrel looks to be ''above'' the receiver, which combined with the other stuff (magazine, the AR to AK receiver transition, adjustable length of pull and cheek piece without anyway to adjust them) says "frankengun" (or at least, a really bad model) to me. --[[User:VladVladson\|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson\|talk]]) 17:57, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
	::I've already labeled it on the page, it is "The Fix by Q" (Q, the new manufacturer of the Honey Badger) and not a frankengun like the CLEO weapons. Yes that is its formal name...--[[User:AgentGumby\|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby\|talk]]) 18:38, 3 July 2021 (EDT)		::I've already labeled it on the page, it is "The Fix by Q" (Q, the new manufacturer of the Honey Badger) and not a frankengun like the CLEO weapons. Yes that is its formal name...--[[User:AgentGumby\|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby\|talk]]) 18:38, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
			:::Man, three of us managed to make the exact same mistake. Not sure if that's funny, or just sad. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 22:37, 3 July 2021 (EDT)

	==="Duvall Outrider"===		==="Duvall Outrider"===

AgentGumby: /* "D-BAR" and "D-Bartini" */

2021-07-03T22:38:22Z

"D-BAR" and "D-Bartini"

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	:Don't know if it's just the angle, but the barrel looks to be ''above'' the receiver, which combined with the other stuff (magazine, the AR to AK receiver transition, adjustable length of pull and cheek piece without anyway to adjust them) says "frankengun" (or at least, a really bad model) to me. --[[User:VladVladson\|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson\|talk]]) 17:57, 3 July 2021 (EDT)		:Don't know if it's just the angle, but the barrel looks to be ''above'' the receiver, which combined with the other stuff (magazine, the AR to AK receiver transition, adjustable length of pull and cheek piece without anyway to adjust them) says "frankengun" (or at least, a really bad model) to me. --[[User:VladVladson\|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson\|talk]]) 17:57, 3 July 2021 (EDT)
			::I've already labeled it on the page, it is "The Fix by Q" (Q, the new manufacturer of the Honey Badger) and not a frankengun like the CLEO weapons. Yes that is its formal name...--[[User:AgentGumby\|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby\|talk]]) 18:38, 3 July 2021 (EDT)

	==="Duvall Outrider"===		==="Duvall Outrider"===

VladVladson: /* "D-BAR" and "D-Bartini" */

2021-07-03T21:57:29Z

"D-BAR" and "D-Bartini"

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	[[file:StateOfDecay2 D-Bartini 1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px]]		[[file:StateOfDecay2 D-Bartini 1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px]]
			:Don't know if it's just the angle, but the barrel looks to be ''above'' the receiver, which combined with the other stuff (magazine, the AR to AK receiver transition, adjustable length of pull and cheek piece without anyway to adjust them) says "frankengun" (or at least, a really bad model) to me. --[[User:VladVladson\|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson\|talk]]) 17:57, 3 July 2021 (EDT)

	==="Duvall Outrider"===		==="Duvall Outrider"===

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	:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.		:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.
	:: Fair point, the fact that it's pump action despite being depicted with a clear semi-automatic charging handle really bothers me. I guess that could be an animation or coding mistake and it should actually be semi-auto, but yeah on closer inspection the receiver is clearly that of an M4 as is the grip, sights and stock assembly. The pump, barrel and barrel shroud are clearly custom made though. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 22:23, 2 February 2022 (EST)		:: Fair point, the fact that it's pump action despite being depicted with a clear semi-automatic charging handle really bothers me. I guess that could be an animation or coding mistake and it should actually be semi-auto, but yeah on closer inspection the receiver is clearly that of an M4 as is the grip, sights and stock assembly. The pump, barrel and barrel shroud are clearly custom made though. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 22:23, 2 February 2022 (EST)

			:::Coming back to this, but what if we consider it a hybrid? The receiver is that of an M4 but its been modified/gunsmithed with a custom pump-action mechanism from another weapon, turning it from a semi-auto into a pump-action. I think changing the name to reflect that it's a "Benelli M4 Super 90/Pump-Action Hybrid" would be a good idea. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 19:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

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	Are we considering the Echo S3 Shotgun as a Benelli M4? Its pump action only, which would make it closer to a Benelli M3. The M4 is semi-automatic only while the M3 is dual-mode between pump and semi-auto. The in game model has an M4 style collapsing stock sure, but that can be fitted on an M3 with some gunsmithing. Otherwise it seems to be closer to an M3; the confusing parts are that its integrally suppressed (something no Benelli has ever been capable of) and has a 6+1 capacity. M3s and M4s are shipped with 5 round tubes but can fit 7 round tubes. I'd say the entry on the wiki page should change to reflect its actually an M3 and the picture updated to reflect that too, but I want to hear other's thoughts as well. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 20:53, 2 February 2022 (EST)		Are we considering the Echo S3 Shotgun as a Benelli M4? Its pump action only, which would make it closer to a Benelli M3. The M4 is semi-automatic only while the M3 is dual-mode between pump and semi-auto. The in game model has an M4 style collapsing stock sure, but that can be fitted on an M3 with some gunsmithing. Otherwise it seems to be closer to an M3; the confusing parts are that its integrally suppressed (something no Benelli has ever been capable of) and has a 6+1 capacity. M3s and M4s are shipped with 5 round tubes but can fit 7 round tubes. I'd say the entry on the wiki page should change to reflect its actually an M3 and the picture updated to reflect that too, but I want to hear other's thoughts as well. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 20:53, 2 February 2022 (EST)
	:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.		:The main deciding factor is the receiver - the rear of the M3's receiver is rounded, while the M4 has a rather distinctive angular receiver instead; the in-game gun has the latter, so it's closest to an M4. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 21:42, 2 February 2022 (EST) P.S.: Not entirely relevant, but I just realized that they also misinterpreted the part of the M4's pistol grip that caps off the rear of the receiver as part of the receiver itself, so it's now a single flat piece of metal that goes all the way back instead.
			:: Fair point, the fact that it's pump action despite being depicted with a clear semi-automatic charging handle really bothers me. I guess that could be an animation or coding mistake and it should actually be semi-auto, but yeah on closer inspection the receiver is clearly that of an M4 as is the grip, sights and stock assembly. The pump, barrel and barrel shroud are clearly custom made though. [[User:Antediluvial\|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial\|talk]]) 22:23, 2 February 2022 (EST)

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	::::Echo-S1 Revolver - This is a unique model. There is no original equivalent in the game. What do you think model 460 or model 500?--[[User:Mateogala\|Emto_PL]] ([[User talk:Mateogala\|talk]]) 18:01, 2 July 2021 (EDT)		::::Echo-S1 Revolver - This is a unique model. There is no original equivalent in the game. What do you think model 460 or model 500?--[[User:Mateogala\|Emto_PL]] ([[User talk:Mateogala\|talk]]) 18:01, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
	:::::If I had to guess, I'd say it's an M500 (based on the M500 being the more common version, plus it having appeared in the previous game - if it isn't in yet, I'd be willing to bet it shows up in a future update), but unless you can spot a marking somewhere on the gun that distinguishes it, there's no real practical way to tell. The only real visual distinguishing feature between the 460 and the 500 is that the former has a large "X" marked on it, so I guess you could call the presence/absence of that evidence of it being a 460 or a 500 (respectively). [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 22:10, 2 July 2021 (EDT)		:::::If I had to guess, I'd say it's an M500 (based on the M500 being the more common version, plus it having appeared in the previous game - if it isn't in yet, I'd be willing to bet it shows up in a future update), but unless you can spot a marking somewhere on the gun that distinguishes it, there's no real practical way to tell. The only real visual distinguishing feature between the 460 and the 500 is that the former has a large "X" marked on it, so I guess you could call the presence/absence of that evidence of it being a 460 or a 500 (respectively). [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 22:10, 2 July 2021 (EDT)

			I'm inclined to say the RTX Cyclone is a [[Draco Pistol\|Micro Draco]] pistol with a Saiga 12 mag added to it. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 07:25, 4 July 2021 (EDT)