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Ram229: /* Evils (Possible) Smith */

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Evils (Possible) Smith

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	Looks more like a 3913 Tactical to me. Notice the writing on the side of the slide and the round trigger guard in the screen cap~~. Looks like this one to me~~.		Looks more like a 3913 Tactical to me. Notice the writing on the side of the slide and the round trigger guard in the screen cap.

	==Hell Followed arsenal==		==Hell Followed arsenal==

Ram229: /* Evils (Possible) Smith */

2015-08-28T08:08:21Z

Evils (Possible) Smith

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	Looks more like a 3913 Tactical to me. Notice the writing on the side of the slide and the round trigger guard in the screen cap. Looks like this one to me.		Looks more like a 3913 Tactical to me. Notice the writing on the side of the slide and the round trigger guard in the screen cap. Looks like this one to me.

	~~[IMG]http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii68/ram229/3913.jpg[/IMG]~~
	~~--[[User:Ram229\|Ram229]] 23:49, 17 November 2011 (CST)~~

	==Hell Followed arsenal==		==Hell Followed arsenal==

Greg-Z: /* Edits */ External link corrected.

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Edits: External link corrected.

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	The 1911 in SOA - most always used by Jax Teller in the second season - is in fact, a Springfield Armory 1911. I believe it to be either modified Mil Spec with Novak Sights, beavertail, flared magwell/MSH, etc, OR more likely, a Springfield Professional (judging by the slanted 'CUSTOM' stamp front right). 12:24, 1 December 2009 - MCain		The 1911 in SOA - most always used by Jax Teller in the second season - is in fact, a Springfield Armory 1911. I believe it to be either modified Mil Spec with Novak Sights, beavertail, flared magwell/MSH, etc, OR more likely, a Springfield Professional (judging by the slanted 'CUSTOM' stamp front right). 12:24, 1 December 2009 - MCain

	[~~[Image:~~http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/PC9111.jpg]]		[http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/PC9111.jpg]

	I just made a few spelling corrections, putting SIG into upper case letters and the odd minor spelling mistake that I noticed. --[[User:Cool-breeze\|cool-breeze]] 19:27, 5 July 2011 (CDT)		I just made a few spelling corrections, putting SIG into upper case letters and the odd minor spelling mistake that I noticed. --[[User:Cool-breeze\|cool-breeze]] 19:27, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

MT2008: /* Splitting into seasons */

2012-04-03T13:33:48Z

Splitting into seasons

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	:::: Yes, in fact, if 20 "dudes" who have IMFDB actor pages have handled a particular gun, we try to document it. Our goal is to document which actors have used what guns in whatever movie/TV series, not just the presence of the firearm in the show. Anyway, you're basically asking our members not to do something that we already agreed to do a long time ago. You can't encourage everyone to ignore the rule now that it exists. When a show has run for more than two seasons and guns are a major part of the plot, it gets split into seasons. Sorry, but it's policy, not an option. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 16:53, 2 April 2012 (CDT)		:::: Yes, in fact, if 20 "dudes" who have IMFDB actor pages have handled a particular gun, we try to document it. Our goal is to document which actors have used what guns in whatever movie/TV series, not just the presence of the firearm in the show. Anyway, you're basically asking our members not to do something that we already agreed to do a long time ago. You can't encourage everyone to ignore the rule now that it exists. When a show has run for more than two seasons and guns are a major part of the plot, it gets split into seasons. Sorry, but it's policy, not an option. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 16:53, 2 April 2012 (CDT)

	::::: Yeah, you document those 20 dudes on THEIR OWN ACTOR PAGES. You don't document each of the 20 dudes on the SHOW OR MOVIE PAGE. If some movie has 20 gang bangers holding Glocks, each individual gang member doesn't have his picture with the gun posted on the movie page. Now, if any of the guys who played the 20 gang bangers have their own pages, you document each of them as using said Glock in said movie on their actor page. As for this "policy" business, why is this ~~fucking~~ stupid "policy" not enforced on like, oh, most of the shows on this site? I'm not encouraging people to ignore a "rule", I'm encouraging people to do WHAT THEY ALREADY ~~FUCKING~~ DO FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS SITE. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 03:10, 3 April 2012 (CDT)		::::: Yeah, you document those 20 dudes on THEIR OWN ACTOR PAGES. You don't document each of the 20 dudes on the SHOW OR MOVIE PAGE. If some movie has 20 gang bangers holding Glocks, each individual gang member doesn't have his picture with the gun posted on the movie page. Now, if any of the guys who played the 20 gang bangers have their own pages, you document each of them as using said Glock in said movie on their actor page. As for this "policy" business, why is this (edited) stupid "policy" not enforced on like, oh, most of the shows on this site? I'm not encouraging people to ignore a "rule", I'm encouraging people to do WHAT THEY ALREADY (edited) DO FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS SITE. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 03:10, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

			::::::First of all, you are (A.) talking disrespectfully to one of the site's Administrators who is merely enforcing rules that were agreed upon, and (B.) using profanity on the main site (which is also something we've since agreed not to do). Please refrain from both. Second, no, we do not only document which actors used the weapons ONLY on their actor pages. Obviously, if it's just extras (which would characterize the scenario you described), then we don't want to do that - and most of said actors would probably not have actor pages, anyway. But if it's a TV show where most of the main cast ''and'' a number of guest stars have used the gun, it's much easier to split into seasons. ''[[The Sopranos]]'' is a very good example of what happens in such scenarios. Anyway, it's all moot because we have already agreed that we will split shows into seasons ''from now on''. Obviously, it hasn't been done for all TV pages yet, but it's something we are setting out to do. It's a rule now, and you cannot openly defy admins and encourage people to break the rules. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 08:33, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

DKS01: /* Splitting into seasons */

2012-04-03T08:10:56Z

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	:::: Yes, in fact, if 20 "dudes" who have IMFDB actor pages have handled a particular gun, we try to document it. Our goal is to document which actors have used what guns in whatever movie/TV series, not just the presence of the firearm in the show. Anyway, you're basically asking our members not to do something that we already agreed to do a long time ago. You can't encourage everyone to ignore the rule now that it exists. When a show has run for more than two seasons and guns are a major part of the plot, it gets split into seasons. Sorry, but it's policy, not an option. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 16:53, 2 April 2012 (CDT)		:::: Yes, in fact, if 20 "dudes" who have IMFDB actor pages have handled a particular gun, we try to document it. Our goal is to document which actors have used what guns in whatever movie/TV series, not just the presence of the firearm in the show. Anyway, you're basically asking our members not to do something that we already agreed to do a long time ago. You can't encourage everyone to ignore the rule now that it exists. When a show has run for more than two seasons and guns are a major part of the plot, it gets split into seasons. Sorry, but it's policy, not an option. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 16:53, 2 April 2012 (CDT)

			::::: Yeah, you document those 20 dudes on THEIR OWN ACTOR PAGES. You don't document each of the 20 dudes on the SHOW OR MOVIE PAGE. If some movie has 20 gang bangers holding Glocks, each individual gang member doesn't have his picture with the gun posted on the movie page. Now, if any of the guys who played the 20 gang bangers have their own pages, you document each of them as using said Glock in said movie on their actor page. As for this "policy" business, why is this fucking stupid "policy" not enforced on like, oh, most of the shows on this site? I'm not encouraging people to ignore a "rule", I'm encouraging people to do WHAT THEY ALREADY FUCKING DO FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS SITE. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 03:10, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

MT2008: /* Splitting into seasons */

2012-04-02T21:53:27Z

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	::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would make the pages too large. Not to mention that there are lots of variations of the same gun (i.e. blued vs. nickel SIGs or 191s). So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)		::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would make the pages too large. Not to mention that there are lots of variations of the same gun (i.e. blued vs. nickel SIGs or 191s). So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)

	:::And the point of this site has never been to document every single instance of the SAME GUN in a series or movie, it's been to identify guns. If 20 dudes wield a Glock 17, you don't need pictures of each of the 20 dudes holding the Glock. Giving season 4 it's own page is unnecessary and pointless, and I encourage anyone adding guns for season 4 to add them here where they belong. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 23:03, 4 January 2012 (CST)		:::And the point of this site has never been to document every single instance of the SAME GUN in a series or movie, it's been to identify guns. If 20 dudes wield a Glock 17, you don't need pictures of each of the 20 dudes holding the Glock. Giving season 4 it's own page is unnecessary and pointless, and I encourage anyone adding guns for season 4 to add them here where they belong. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 23:03, 4 January 2012 (CST)

			:::: Yes, in fact, if 20 "dudes" who have IMFDB actor pages have handled a particular gun, we try to document it. Our goal is to document which actors have used what guns in whatever movie/TV series, not just the presence of the firearm in the show. Anyway, you're basically asking our members not to do something that we already agreed to do a long time ago. You can't encourage everyone to ignore the rule now that it exists. When a show has run for more than two seasons and guns are a major part of the plot, it gets split into seasons. Sorry, but it's policy, not an option. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 16:53, 2 April 2012 (CDT)

DKS01: /* Splitting into seasons */

2012-01-05T05:03:04Z

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	::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would make the pages too large. Not to mention that there are lots of variations of the same gun (i.e. blued vs. nickel SIGs or 191s). So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)		::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would make the pages too large. Not to mention that there are lots of variations of the same gun (i.e. blued vs. nickel SIGs or 191s). So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)
			:::And the point of this site has never been to document every single instance of the SAME GUN in a series or movie, it's been to identify guns. If 20 dudes wield a Glock 17, you don't need pictures of each of the 20 dudes holding the Glock. Giving season 4 it's own page is unnecessary and pointless, and I encourage anyone adding guns for season 4 to add them here where they belong. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 23:03, 4 January 2012 (CST)

MT2008: /* Splitting into seasons */

2012-01-05T00:38:21Z

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	:Is that necessary? There's been a lot of guns on the show, but when a lot of them are the same MODELS of guns it doesn't mean the page itself would be that big. I mean, yeah, a lot of characters carry guns, but when half those guns turn out to all be Glock 17's or whatever, it doesn't really warrant splitting the show into seperate pages I don't think. I mean a larger variety of guns appears in Kick-ass and Underworld, yet those pages didn't need to be divided up... [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 14:39, 4 January 2012 (CST)		:Is that necessary? There's been a lot of guns on the show, but when a lot of them are the same MODELS of guns it doesn't mean the page itself would be that big. I mean, yeah, a lot of characters carry guns, but when half those guns turn out to all be Glock 17's or whatever, it doesn't really warrant splitting the show into seperate pages I don't think. I mean a larger variety of guns appears in Kick-ass and Underworld, yet those pages didn't need to be divided up... [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 14:39, 4 January 2012 (CST)

	::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would ~~be tiring~~. So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)		::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would make the pages too large. Not to mention that there are lots of variations of the same gun (i.e. blued vs. nickel SIGs or 191s). So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)

MT2008: /* Splitting into seasons */

2012-01-05T00:37:07Z

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	I am going to start a new page for Season 4. This page is sadly lacking in quality (and I know that I have no right to complain without having done much work myself), but I am going to insist that we start splitting it up because of the sheer number of guns that have been on the past 4 seasons of the show. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 14:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)		I am going to start a new page for Season 4. This page is sadly lacking in quality (and I know that I have no right to complain without having done much work myself), but I am going to insist that we start splitting it up because of the sheer number of guns that have been on the past 4 seasons of the show. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 14:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)
	:Is that necessary? There's been a lot of guns on the show, but when a lot of them are the same MODELS of guns it doesn't mean the page itself would be that big. I mean, yeah, a lot of characters carry guns, but when half those guns turn out to all be Glock 17's or whatever, it doesn't really warrant splitting the show into seperate pages I don't think. I mean a larger variety of guns appears in Kick-ass and Underworld, yet those pages didn't need to be divided up... [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 14:39, 4 January 2012 (CST)		:Is that necessary? There's been a lot of guns on the show, but when a lot of them are the same MODELS of guns it doesn't mean the page itself would be that big. I mean, yeah, a lot of characters carry guns, but when half those guns turn out to all be Glock 17's or whatever, it doesn't really warrant splitting the show into seperate pages I don't think. I mean a larger variety of guns appears in Kick-ass and Underworld, yet those pages didn't need to be divided up... [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 14:39, 4 January 2012 (CST)

			::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would be tiring. So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)

DKS01: /* Splitting into seasons */

2012-01-04T20:39:30Z

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	I am going to start a new page for Season 4. This page is sadly lacking in quality (and I know that I have no right to complain without having done much work myself), but I am going to insist that we start splitting it up because of the sheer number of guns that have been on the past 4 seasons of the show. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 14:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)		I am going to start a new page for Season 4. This page is sadly lacking in quality (and I know that I have no right to complain without having done much work myself), but I am going to insist that we start splitting it up because of the sheer number of guns that have been on the past 4 seasons of the show. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 14:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)
			:Is that necessary? There's been a lot of guns on the show, but when a lot of them are the same MODELS of guns it doesn't mean the page itself would be that big. I mean, yeah, a lot of characters carry guns, but when half those guns turn out to all be Glock 17's or whatever, it doesn't really warrant splitting the show into seperate pages I don't think. I mean a larger variety of guns appears in Kick-ass and Underworld, yet those pages didn't need to be divided up... [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 14:39, 4 January 2012 (CST)

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	:::: Yes, in fact, if 20 "dudes" who have IMFDB actor pages have handled a particular gun, we try to document it. Our goal is to document which actors have used what guns in whatever movie/TV series, not just the presence of the firearm in the show. Anyway, you're basically asking our members not to do something that we already agreed to do a long time ago. You can't encourage everyone to ignore the rule now that it exists. When a show has run for more than two seasons and guns are a major part of the plot, it gets split into seasons. Sorry, but it's policy, not an option. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 16:53, 2 April 2012 (CDT)		:::: Yes, in fact, if 20 "dudes" who have IMFDB actor pages have handled a particular gun, we try to document it. Our goal is to document which actors have used what guns in whatever movie/TV series, not just the presence of the firearm in the show. Anyway, you're basically asking our members not to do something that we already agreed to do a long time ago. You can't encourage everyone to ignore the rule now that it exists. When a show has run for more than two seasons and guns are a major part of the plot, it gets split into seasons. Sorry, but it's policy, not an option. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 16:53, 2 April 2012 (CDT)

	::::: Yeah, you document those 20 dudes on THEIR OWN ACTOR PAGES. You don't document each of the 20 dudes on the SHOW OR MOVIE PAGE. If some movie has 20 gang bangers holding Glocks, each individual gang member doesn't have his picture with the gun posted on the movie page. Now, if any of the guys who played the 20 gang bangers have their own pages, you document each of them as using said Glock in said movie on their actor page. As for this "policy" business, why is this ~~fucking~~ stupid "policy" not enforced on like, oh, most of the shows on this site? I'm not encouraging people to ignore a "rule", I'm encouraging people to do WHAT THEY ALREADY ~~FUCKING~~ DO FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS SITE. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 03:10, 3 April 2012 (CDT)		::::: Yeah, you document those 20 dudes on THEIR OWN ACTOR PAGES. You don't document each of the 20 dudes on the SHOW OR MOVIE PAGE. If some movie has 20 gang bangers holding Glocks, each individual gang member doesn't have his picture with the gun posted on the movie page. Now, if any of the guys who played the 20 gang bangers have their own pages, you document each of them as using said Glock in said movie on their actor page. As for this "policy" business, why is this (edited) stupid "policy" not enforced on like, oh, most of the shows on this site? I'm not encouraging people to ignore a "rule", I'm encouraging people to do WHAT THEY ALREADY (edited) DO FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS SITE. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 03:10, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

			::::::First of all, you are (A.) talking disrespectfully to one of the site's Administrators who is merely enforcing rules that were agreed upon, and (B.) using profanity on the main site (which is also something we've since agreed not to do). Please refrain from both. Second, no, we do not only document which actors used the weapons ONLY on their actor pages. Obviously, if it's just extras (which would characterize the scenario you described), then we don't want to do that - and most of said actors would probably not have actor pages, anyway. But if it's a TV show where most of the main cast ''and'' a number of guest stars have used the gun, it's much easier to split into seasons. ''[[The Sopranos]]'' is a very good example of what happens in such scenarios. Anyway, it's all moot because we have already agreed that we will split shows into seasons ''from now on''. Obviously, it hasn't been done for all TV pages yet, but it's something we are setting out to do. It's a rule now, and you cannot openly defy admins and encourage people to break the rules. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 08:33, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

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	::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would make the pages too large. Not to mention that there are lots of variations of the same gun (i.e. blued vs. nickel SIGs or 191s). So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)		::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would make the pages too large. Not to mention that there are lots of variations of the same gun (i.e. blued vs. nickel SIGs or 191s). So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)

	:::And the point of this site has never been to document every single instance of the SAME GUN in a series or movie, it's been to identify guns. If 20 dudes wield a Glock 17, you don't need pictures of each of the 20 dudes holding the Glock. Giving season 4 it's own page is unnecessary and pointless, and I encourage anyone adding guns for season 4 to add them here where they belong. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 23:03, 4 January 2012 (CST)		:::And the point of this site has never been to document every single instance of the SAME GUN in a series or movie, it's been to identify guns. If 20 dudes wield a Glock 17, you don't need pictures of each of the 20 dudes holding the Glock. Giving season 4 it's own page is unnecessary and pointless, and I encourage anyone adding guns for season 4 to add them here where they belong. [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 23:03, 4 January 2012 (CST)

			:::: Yes, in fact, if 20 "dudes" who have IMFDB actor pages have handled a particular gun, we try to document it. Our goal is to document which actors have used what guns in whatever movie/TV series, not just the presence of the firearm in the show. Anyway, you're basically asking our members not to do something that we already agreed to do a long time ago. You can't encourage everyone to ignore the rule now that it exists. When a show has run for more than two seasons and guns are a major part of the plot, it gets split into seasons. Sorry, but it's policy, not an option. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 16:53, 2 April 2012 (CDT)

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	I am going to start a new page for Season 4. This page is sadly lacking in quality (and I know that I have no right to complain without having done much work myself), but I am going to insist that we start splitting it up because of the sheer number of guns that have been on the past 4 seasons of the show. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 14:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)		I am going to start a new page for Season 4. This page is sadly lacking in quality (and I know that I have no right to complain without having done much work myself), but I am going to insist that we start splitting it up because of the sheer number of guns that have been on the past 4 seasons of the show. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 14:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)
	:Is that necessary? There's been a lot of guns on the show, but when a lot of them are the same MODELS of guns it doesn't mean the page itself would be that big. I mean, yeah, a lot of characters carry guns, but when half those guns turn out to all be Glock 17's or whatever, it doesn't really warrant splitting the show into seperate pages I don't think. I mean a larger variety of guns appears in Kick-ass and Underworld, yet those pages didn't need to be divided up... [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 14:39, 4 January 2012 (CST)		:Is that necessary? There's been a lot of guns on the show, but when a lot of them are the same MODELS of guns it doesn't mean the page itself would be that big. I mean, yeah, a lot of characters carry guns, but when half those guns turn out to all be Glock 17's or whatever, it doesn't really warrant splitting the show into seperate pages I don't think. I mean a larger variety of guns appears in Kick-ass and Underworld, yet those pages didn't need to be divided up... [[User:DKS01\|DKS01]] 14:39, 4 January 2012 (CST)

			::I have addressed this argument many times. The issue is not that the same models of guns get reused, but rather that multiple characters/actors handle them across seasons, so trying to document them all would be tiring. So, thank you for your input, but I already went ahead and gave Season 4 its own page. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] 18:37, 4 January 2012 (CST)