Talk:Soldier of Fortune: Payback - Revision history

Greg-Z: /* PNGs */

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 == PNGs ==
-I will replace the PNGs with JPGs in the upcoming days. I will put the PNGs here so a mod can delete them when I am done:
+I will replace the PNGs with JPGs in the upcoming days. I will put the PNGs here so a mod can delete them when I am done.
 [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:26, 8 May 2011 (CDT)

Commando552: /* Box art */

2012-03-17T23:58:22Z

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	:If it was included I have no idea what we would call it though, as it is a messed up fictional hybrid. It has a slabside lower with HK MP5N style fire selector (not just the pictogram like some companies actually do, but the positions are wrong for an AR-15), A2 upper but missing the forward assist, and an A1 profile barrel. Closest match would be something like a Model 723, but that still has a few differences. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 11:29, 17 March 2012 (CDT)		:If it was included I have no idea what we would call it though, as it is a messed up fictional hybrid. It has a slabside lower with HK MP5N style fire selector (not just the pictogram like some companies actually do, but the positions are wrong for an AR-15), A2 upper but missing the forward assist, and an A1 profile barrel. Closest match would be something like a Model 723, but that still has a few differences. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 11:29, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
	::I know that aftermarket parts exist, but is there any company that makes AR-15-type guns with ambi selectors? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:54, 17 March 2012 (CDT)		::I know that aftermarket parts exist, but is there any company that makes AR-15-type guns with ambi selectors? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:54, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
			:::Not that I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure though that out of the hundreds of companies that make AR-15 (or in most cases assemble them from a variety of after market parts) some choose to use one of the many after market ambi selectors out there. The one on this gun is just the regular safety slapped on the wrong side though, ambi safeties look different due to the fact that the part of the safety on the right hand side has to be attached to the bar that goes through the lower receiver so will have a screw in the centre. It wasn't the fact that it was ambidextrous that I particularly had a problem with though, but the fact that the geometry of it wouldn't work. If the selector was in the safe position, the tab would be pointing upwards which would be impossible due to the rear part of the lower receiver that gets wider where the buffer tube joins (and would also be very difficult to reach). Also, on an AR-15 the three positions would be over a 180 degree arc, as opposed to on this where all three positions are in less than 90 degrees. Put together, it appears to me like the artist liked the MP5 pictograms and drew the selector without thinking too much about it, rather than being taken from an actual ar-15. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 18:58, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

Bozitojugg3rn4ut: /* Box art */

2012-03-17T20:54:12Z

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	Hi, shouldn't we add the M4 variant of the box art to the article?--[[User:Benny Frandsen\|Benny Frandsen]] 08:43, 17 March 2012 (CDT)		Hi, shouldn't we add the M4 variant of the box art to the article?--[[User:Benny Frandsen\|Benny Frandsen]] 08:43, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
	:If it was included I have no idea what we would call it though, as it is a messed up fictional hybrid. It has a slabside lower with HK MP5N style fire selector (not just the pictogram like some companies actually do, but the positions are wrong for an AR-15), A2 upper but missing the forward assist, and an A1 profile barrel. Closest match would be something like a Model 723, but that still has a few differences. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 11:29, 17 March 2012 (CDT)		:If it was included I have no idea what we would call it though, as it is a messed up fictional hybrid. It has a slabside lower with HK MP5N style fire selector (not just the pictogram like some companies actually do, but the positions are wrong for an AR-15), A2 upper but missing the forward assist, and an A1 profile barrel. Closest match would be something like a Model 723, but that still has a few differences. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 11:29, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
			::I know that aftermarket parts exist, but is there any company that makes AR-15-type guns with ambi selectors? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:54, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

Commando552: /* Box art */

2012-03-17T16:29:03Z

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	Hi, shouldn't we add the M4 variant of the box art to the article?--[[User:Benny Frandsen\|Benny Frandsen]] 08:43, 17 March 2012 (CDT)		Hi, shouldn't we add the M4 variant of the box art to the article?--[[User:Benny Frandsen\|Benny Frandsen]] 08:43, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
			:If it was included I have no idea what we would call it though, as it is a messed up fictional hybrid. It has a slabside lower with HK MP5N style fire selector (not just the pictogram like some companies actually do, but the positions are wrong for an AR-15), A2 upper but missing the forward assist, and an A1 profile barrel. Closest match would be something like a Model 723, but that still has a few differences. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 11:29, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

Benny Frandsen: /* Box art */ new section

2012-03-17T13:43:06Z

Box art: new section

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	Are you sure that that's a PKM? The shortened barrel, carry handle and bipod placement make it look like a PKP Pecheneg to me. I could well be wrong, so what does everyone else think? [[User:Jimmoy\|Jimmoy]] 08:02, 12 May 2011 (CDT)		Are you sure that that's a PKM? The shortened barrel, carry handle and bipod placement make it look like a PKP Pecheneg to me. I could well be wrong, so what does everyone else think? [[User:Jimmoy\|Jimmoy]] 08:02, 12 May 2011 (CDT)
	:Well, let's pretend that ''SoF Payback'' is a movie and not a video game. If they'd have build that PKM as a prop, they would probably make it from a PKM and not by modifying a PKP. Also, the PKP does not have any wooden parts. That's why I wrote that it is a PKM. Anyways, I will add "heavily modified" and a pic of the PKP so it won't confuse the people. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:04, 12 May 2011 (CDT)		:Well, let's pretend that ''SoF Payback'' is a movie and not a video game. If they'd have build that PKM as a prop, they would probably make it from a PKM and not by modifying a PKP. Also, the PKP does not have any wooden parts. That's why I wrote that it is a PKM. Anyways, I will add "heavily modified" and a pic of the PKP so it won't confuse the people. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:04, 12 May 2011 (CDT)

			== Box art ==

			Hi, shouldn't we add the M4 variant of the box art to the article?--[[User:Benny Frandsen\|Benny Frandsen]] 08:43, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

Bozitojugg3rn4ut: /* PNGs */

2011-05-12T15:56:53Z

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	[[Image:Soldier of Fortune- PaybackGlock.jpg\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:Soldier of Fortune- PaybackGlock.jpg\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(M48 SAW).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(M48 SAW).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:(TAR-20).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(CQC.729).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(CQC.729).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:(XAR-4).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:mk23.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]		[[Image:mk23.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
	[[Image:(M203 with M16A3).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(M203 with M16A3).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]

Bozitojugg3rn4ut: /* Really a PKM? */

2011-05-12T15:04:18Z

Really a PKM?

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	Are you sure that that's a PKM? The shortened barrel, carry handle and bipod placement make it look like a PKP Pecheneg to me. I could well be wrong, so what does everyone else think? [[User:Jimmoy\|Jimmoy]] 08:02, 12 May 2011 (CDT)		Are you sure that that's a PKM? The shortened barrel, carry handle and bipod placement make it look like a PKP Pecheneg to me. I could well be wrong, so what does everyone else think? [[User:Jimmoy\|Jimmoy]] 08:02, 12 May 2011 (CDT)
			:Well, let's pretend that ''SoF Payback'' is a movie and not a video game. If they'd have build that PKM as a prop, they would probably make it from a PKM and not by modifying a PKP. Also, the PKP does not have any wooden parts. That's why I wrote that it is a PKM. Anyways, I will add "heavily modified" and a pic of the PKP so it won't confuse the people. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:04, 12 May 2011 (CDT)

Jimmoy: /* Really a PKM? */ new section

2011-05-12T13:02:48Z

Really a PKM?: new section

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			== Really a PKM? ==

			Are you sure that that's a PKM? The shortened barrel, carry handle and bipod placement make it look like a PKP Pecheneg to me. I could well be wrong, so what does everyone else think? [[User:Jimmoy\|Jimmoy]] 08:02, 12 May 2011 (CDT)

Bozitojugg3rn4ut: /* PNGs */

2011-05-12T11:26:41Z

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	[[Image:(AK-47).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(AK-47).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:Soldier of Fortune- PaybackGlock.jpg\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:Soldier of Fortune- PaybackGlock.jpg\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:(M48 SAW).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(CQC.729).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(CQC.729).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:mk23.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]		[[Image:mk23.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
			[[Image:(M203 with M16A3).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(AMP-9).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]		[[Image:(AMP-9).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
	[[Image:(AGL-6P).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(AGL-6P).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:1991A1.png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(CAWS-90).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]		[[Image:(CAWS-90).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
	[[Image:(SV.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]		[[Image:(SV.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]

Bozitojugg3rn4ut: /* PNGs */

2011-05-12T11:10:02Z

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	[[Image:(AGL-6P).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(AGL-6P).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:(CAWS-90).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
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	:If it was included I have no idea what we would call it though, as it is a messed up fictional hybrid. It has a slabside lower with HK MP5N style fire selector (not just the pictogram like some companies actually do, but the positions are wrong for an AR-15), A2 upper but missing the forward assist, and an A1 profile barrel. Closest match would be something like a Model 723, but that still has a few differences. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 11:29, 17 March 2012 (CDT)		:If it was included I have no idea what we would call it though, as it is a messed up fictional hybrid. It has a slabside lower with HK MP5N style fire selector (not just the pictogram like some companies actually do, but the positions are wrong for an AR-15), A2 upper but missing the forward assist, and an A1 profile barrel. Closest match would be something like a Model 723, but that still has a few differences. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 11:29, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
	::I know that aftermarket parts exist, but is there any company that makes AR-15-type guns with ambi selectors? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:54, 17 March 2012 (CDT)		::I know that aftermarket parts exist, but is there any company that makes AR-15-type guns with ambi selectors? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:54, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
			:::Not that I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure though that out of the hundreds of companies that make AR-15 (or in most cases assemble them from a variety of after market parts) some choose to use one of the many after market ambi selectors out there. The one on this gun is just the regular safety slapped on the wrong side though, ambi safeties look different due to the fact that the part of the safety on the right hand side has to be attached to the bar that goes through the lower receiver so will have a screw in the centre. It wasn't the fact that it was ambidextrous that I particularly had a problem with though, but the fact that the geometry of it wouldn't work. If the selector was in the safe position, the tab would be pointing upwards which would be impossible due to the rear part of the lower receiver that gets wider where the buffer tube joins (and would also be very difficult to reach). Also, on an AR-15 the three positions would be over a 180 degree arc, as opposed to on this where all three positions are in less than 90 degrees. Put together, it appears to me like the artist liked the MP5 pictograms and drew the selector without thinking too much about it, rather than being taken from an actual ar-15. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 18:58, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

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	Hi, shouldn't we add the M4 variant of the box art to the article?--[[User:Benny Frandsen\|Benny Frandsen]] 08:43, 17 March 2012 (CDT)		Hi, shouldn't we add the M4 variant of the box art to the article?--[[User:Benny Frandsen\|Benny Frandsen]] 08:43, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
	:If it was included I have no idea what we would call it though, as it is a messed up fictional hybrid. It has a slabside lower with HK MP5N style fire selector (not just the pictogram like some companies actually do, but the positions are wrong for an AR-15), A2 upper but missing the forward assist, and an A1 profile barrel. Closest match would be something like a Model 723, but that still has a few differences. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 11:29, 17 March 2012 (CDT)		:If it was included I have no idea what we would call it though, as it is a messed up fictional hybrid. It has a slabside lower with HK MP5N style fire selector (not just the pictogram like some companies actually do, but the positions are wrong for an AR-15), A2 upper but missing the forward assist, and an A1 profile barrel. Closest match would be something like a Model 723, but that still has a few differences. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 11:29, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
			::I know that aftermarket parts exist, but is there any company that makes AR-15-type guns with ambi selectors? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:54, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

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	[[Image:Soldier of Fortune- PaybackGlock.jpg\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:Soldier of Fortune- PaybackGlock.jpg\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(M48 SAW).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(M48 SAW).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:(TAR-20).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(CQC.729).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(CQC.729).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:(XAR-4).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:mk23.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]		[[Image:mk23.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
	[[Image:(M203 with M16A3).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(M203 with M16A3).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]

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	[[Image:Soldier of Fortune- PaybackGlock.jpg\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:Soldier of Fortune- PaybackGlock.jpg\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:(M48 SAW).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(CQC.729).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(CQC.729).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:mk23.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]		[[Image:mk23.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
			[[Image:(M203 with M16A3).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(AMP-9).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]		[[Image:(AMP-9).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
	[[Image:(AGL-6P).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(AGL-6P).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:1991A1.png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(CAWS-90).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]		[[Image:(CAWS-90).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
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	[[Image:(AGL-6P).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(AGL-6P).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
			[[Image:(CAWS-90).png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
			[[Image:(SV.png\|thumb\|none\|100px\|]]
	[[Image:(G36E).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(G36E).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]
	[[Image:(.454).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]		[[Image:(.454).png\|thumb\|none\|100px]]