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MrJDK9412: /* Another M4? */

2022-04-20T06:40:21Z

Another M4?

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	Watching this in 1080p during the bridge scene you can see what looks like an M4 with standard handguards being held by the driver's side passenger of the green Civic as Donovon approaches the car and the camera angle changes to the driver's side. --[[User:DeltaOne\|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne\|talk]]) 05:17, 14 January 2016 (EST)		Watching this in 1080p during the bridge scene you can see what looks like an M4 with standard handguards being held by the driver's side passenger of the green Civic as Donovon approaches the car and the camera angle changes to the driver's side. --[[User:DeltaOne\|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne\|talk]]) 05:17, 14 January 2016 (EST)

	Theres a variety of M4s in this movie with the current standard model being the most common with Law Enforcement and Military operators. Mexican Federal Police officers and drug cartel members definitely carry the older gen M4s and makes sense too.		Theres a variety of M4s in this movie with the current standard model being the most common with Law Enforcement and Military operators. Mexican Federal Police officers and drug cartel members definitely carry the older gen M4s and makes sense too. - MrJDK9412 (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2022 (AEST)
	- MrJDK9412 (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2022 (AEST)

	== Airsoft?==		== Airsoft?==

MrJDK9412: /* Another M4? */

2022-04-20T06:39:43Z

Another M4?

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	Watching this in 1080p during the bridge scene you can see what looks like an M4 with standard handguards being held by the driver's side passenger of the green Civic as Donovon approaches the car and the camera angle changes to the driver's side. --[[User:DeltaOne\|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne\|talk]]) 05:17, 14 January 2016 (EST)		Watching this in 1080p during the bridge scene you can see what looks like an M4 with standard handguards being held by the driver's side passenger of the green Civic as Donovon approaches the car and the camera angle changes to the driver's side. --[[User:DeltaOne\|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne\|talk]]) 05:17, 14 January 2016 (EST)

			Theres a variety of M4s in this movie with the current standard model being the most common with Law Enforcement and Military operators. Mexican Federal Police officers and drug cartel members definitely carry the older gen M4s and makes sense too.
			- MrJDK9412 (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2022 (AEST)

	== Airsoft?==		== Airsoft?==

Spartan198: /* Airsoft? */

2018-08-12T01:33:50Z

Airsoft?

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	::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)		::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)
	:::MOE handguards have been used before, for example on LE carbines in ''[[The Walking Dead]]'', ''[[Covert Affairs]]'', ''[[Nikita]]'' and ''[[Burn Notice]]'', and on an M4 in ''[[No Tears for the Dead]]''. This is just for a quick search of documented ones, I assume that they have turned up more that people haven't properly recorded. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 04:53, 18 January 2016 (EST)		:::MOE handguards have been used before, for example on LE carbines in ''[[The Walking Dead]]'', ''[[Covert Affairs]]'', ''[[Nikita]]'' and ''[[Burn Notice]]'', and on an M4 in ''[[No Tears for the Dead]]''. This is just for a quick search of documented ones, I assume that they have turned up more that people haven't properly recorded. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 04:53, 18 January 2016 (EST)

			I think Del Toro's MP5A3 in some scenes of the border crossing shootout is an airsoft, too. In one scene shot from behind and to his left, you can make out what looks like a red wire through the cocking handle slot. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

Serpico1911: /* del Toro's Camera Angle (Sicario vs. The Way of the Gun) */

2017-03-25T10:28:12Z

del Toro's Camera Angle (Sicario vs. The Way of the Gun)

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	::James Badge Dale does something similar. He repeats a one-handed pose with a pistol. --[[User:DeltaOne\|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne\|talk]]) 01:06, 9 January 2016 (EST)		::James Badge Dale does something similar. He repeats a one-handed pose with a pistol. --[[User:DeltaOne\|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne\|talk]]) 01:06, 9 January 2016 (EST)
	:The director and cinematographer aren't the same, so that's not the reason. But isn't this a common shooting stance and camera angle seen in movies? It's not hard to find moments in other movies showing other actors (such as [[Bruce Willis]]) assuming this stance while holding a handgun. --[[User:Mazryonh\|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh\|talk]]) 22:45, 15 January 2016 (EST)		:The director and cinematographer aren't the same, so that's not the reason. But isn't this a common shooting stance and camera angle seen in movies? It's not hard to find moments in other movies showing other actors (such as [[Bruce Willis]]) assuming this stance while holding a handgun. --[[User:Mazryonh\|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh\|talk]]) 22:45, 15 January 2016 (EST)
			I would say he is probably left eye dominant so it would make sense to turn his head. --[[User:Serpico1911\|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911\talk]]) 05:27, 25 March 2017 (CST)

	==Another M4?==		==Another M4?==

Commando552: /* Airsoft? */

2016-01-18T09:53:22Z

Airsoft?

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	:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)		:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)
	::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)		::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)
			:::MOE handguards have been used before, for example on LE carbines in ''[[The Walking Dead]]'', ''[[Covert Affairs]]'', ''[[Nikita]]'' and ''[[Burn Notice]]'', and on an M4 in ''[[No Tears for the Dead]]''. This is just for a quick search of documented ones, I assume that they have turned up more that people haven't properly recorded. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 04:53, 18 January 2016 (EST)

Excalibur01: /* Airsoft? */

2016-01-18T03:41:39Z

Airsoft?

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	::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)		::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)
	:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)		:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)
			::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)

Commando552: /* Airsoft? */

2016-01-17T21:08:58Z

Airsoft?

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	:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)		:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)
	::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)		::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)
			:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)

Markit: /* Airsoft? */

2016-01-17T20:19:12Z

Airsoft?

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	::For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)		::For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)
	:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)		:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)
			::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)

Excalibur01: /* Airsoft? */

2016-01-17T04:26:10Z

Airsoft?

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	How could you tell it was an Airsoft rifle? It could just be a Colt 933 or similar with a Magpul handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:52, 15 January 2016 (EST)		How could you tell it was an Airsoft rifle? It could just be a Colt 933 or similar with a Magpul handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:52, 15 January 2016 (EST)
	::For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)		::For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)
			:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)

Markit: /* Airsoft? */

2016-01-16T23:13:27Z

Airsoft?

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	== Airsoft?==		== Airsoft?==
	How could you tell it was an Airsoft rifle? It could just be a Colt 933 or similar with a Magpul handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:52, 15 January 2016 (EST)		How could you tell it was an Airsoft rifle? It could just be a Colt 933 or similar with a Magpul handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:52, 15 January 2016 (EST)
			::For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)

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	::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)		::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)
	:::MOE handguards have been used before, for example on LE carbines in ''[[The Walking Dead]]'', ''[[Covert Affairs]]'', ''[[Nikita]]'' and ''[[Burn Notice]]'', and on an M4 in ''[[No Tears for the Dead]]''. This is just for a quick search of documented ones, I assume that they have turned up more that people haven't properly recorded. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 04:53, 18 January 2016 (EST)		:::MOE handguards have been used before, for example on LE carbines in ''[[The Walking Dead]]'', ''[[Covert Affairs]]'', ''[[Nikita]]'' and ''[[Burn Notice]]'', and on an M4 in ''[[No Tears for the Dead]]''. This is just for a quick search of documented ones, I assume that they have turned up more that people haven't properly recorded. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 04:53, 18 January 2016 (EST)

			I think Del Toro's MP5A3 in some scenes of the border crossing shootout is an airsoft, too. In one scene shot from behind and to his left, you can make out what looks like a red wire through the cocking handle slot. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

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	:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)		:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)
	::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)		::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)
			:::MOE handguards have been used before, for example on LE carbines in ''[[The Walking Dead]]'', ''[[Covert Affairs]]'', ''[[Nikita]]'' and ''[[Burn Notice]]'', and on an M4 in ''[[No Tears for the Dead]]''. This is just for a quick search of documented ones, I assume that they have turned up more that people haven't properly recorded. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 04:53, 18 January 2016 (EST)

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	::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)		::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)
	:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)		:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)
			::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)

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	:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)		:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)
	::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)		::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)
			:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg\|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2\|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2\|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)

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	::For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)		::For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)
	:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)		:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01\|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01\|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)
			::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit\|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit\|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)