Talk:Rambo: First Blood Part II - Revision history

Ssantusky: /* M60/RPG7 Frankengun */

2021-08-09T02:46:06Z

M60/RPG7 Frankengun

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	: There's been a few instances of cover and poster art having some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' for example that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, and I agree it it is weird, but it's also not unheard-of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		: There's been a few instances of cover and poster art having some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' for example that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, and I agree it it is weird, but it's also not unheard-of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

	::Hello, thanks for the responses. Indeed, it seems to be the actual tube being superimposed over the barrel, not really inserted into the muzzle. To any person with minimal knowledge about firearms (i.e. distinguishing a machine gun from a rocket launcher) this design will seem quite jarring. And no, I'm not interested in discussing politics; I simply emphasized that this particular image has been seen recently photoshopped in such a way, which makes it have an impact on popular culture because of how ubiquitous it is (it's not uncommon to see that flag in the TV news coverage of such rallies, for instance). So, that makes me think, people who know about firearms surely notice what's wrong with the design (and a lot of people will surely come across this photoshop more than the original image). I only mentioned the Trump photoshop because it's made from a relatively obscure artwork for the film which has gained renewed visibility and exposure through this particular representation. I think that's important, considering this is a very old film, and Rambo's weapons (mainly the M60) are very well known to the general public. I'm interested in discussing the film's impact on popular culture through its weapons' representations, not politics. The photoshop picture I included is just for reference, nothing more.--[[User:Ssantusky\|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky\|talk]]) 22:42, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		::Hello, thanks for the responses. Indeed, it seems to be the actual tube being superimposed over the barrel, not really inserted into the muzzle. To any person with minimal knowledge about firearms (i.e. distinguishing a machine gun from a rocket launcher) this design will seem quite jarring. And no, I'm not interested in discussing politics; I simply emphasized that this particular image has been seen recently photoshopped in such a way, which makes it have an impact on popular culture because of how ubiquitous it is (it's not uncommon to see that flag in the TV news coverage of such rallies, for instance). So, that makes me think, people who know about firearms surely notice what's wrong with the design (and a lot of people will surely come across this photoshop more than the original image). I only mentioned the Trump photoshop because it's made from a relatively obscure artwork for the film which has gained renewed visibility and exposure through this particular representation. I think that's important, considering this is a very old film, and Rambo's weapons (mainly the M60) are very well known to the general public. I'm interested in discussing the film's impact on popular culture through its weapons' representations, not politics. The photoshop picture I included is just for reference, nothing more. My question was whether it is worth making a note on this official artwork for the film, not the photoshop.--[[User:Ssantusky\|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky\|talk]]) 22:42, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

Ssantusky: /* M60/RPG7 Frankengun */

2021-08-09T02:42:42Z

M60/RPG7 Frankengun

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	I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)
	: There's been a few instances of cover and poster art having some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' for example that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, and I agree it it is weird, but it's also not unheard-of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		: There's been a few instances of cover and poster art having some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' for example that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, and I agree it it is weird, but it's also not unheard-of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

			::Hello, thanks for the responses. Indeed, it seems to be the actual tube being superimposed over the barrel, not really inserted into the muzzle. To any person with minimal knowledge about firearms (i.e. distinguishing a machine gun from a rocket launcher) this design will seem quite jarring. And no, I'm not interested in discussing politics; I simply emphasized that this particular image has been seen recently photoshopped in such a way, which makes it have an impact on popular culture because of how ubiquitous it is (it's not uncommon to see that flag in the TV news coverage of such rallies, for instance). So, that makes me think, people who know about firearms surely notice what's wrong with the design (and a lot of people will surely come across this photoshop more than the original image). I only mentioned the Trump photoshop because it's made from a relatively obscure artwork for the film which has gained renewed visibility and exposure through this particular representation. I think that's important, considering this is a very old film, and Rambo's weapons (mainly the M60) are very well known to the general public. I'm interested in discussing the film's impact on popular culture through its weapons' representations, not politics. The photoshop picture I included is just for reference, nothing more.--[[User:Ssantusky\|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky\|talk]]) 22:42, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

StanTheMan: /* M60/RPG7 Frankengun */

2021-08-09T02:38:47Z

M60/RPG7 Frankengun

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	I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)
	: ~~It is strange but not wholly unusual -~~ There's been a few instances of cover and poster art having some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol~~. Weird indeed~~. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, but ~~again,~~ it's not unheard of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		: There's been a few instances of cover and poster art having some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' for example that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, and I agree it it is weird, but it's also not unheard-of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

StanTheMan: /* M60/RPG7 Frankengun */

2021-08-09T02:37:19Z

M60/RPG7 Frankengun

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	I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)
	: It is strange but not wholly unusual~~. Many times~~ cover and poster art ~~has~~ some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. Weird indeed. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, but again, it's not unheard of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		: It is strange but not wholly unusual - There's been a few instances of cover and poster art having some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. Weird indeed. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, but again, it's not unheard of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

StanTheMan: /* M60/RPG7 Frankengun */

2021-08-09T02:36:07Z

M60/RPG7 Frankengun

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	I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)
			: It is strange but not wholly unusual. Many times cover and poster art has some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. Weird indeed. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, but again, it's not unheard of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

Spartan198: /* M60/RPG7 Frankengun */

2021-08-09T01:24:15Z

M60/RPG7 Frankengun

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	Since this image has had a wide impact on popular culture and a resurgence in popularity because of Trump, I really wonder what the firearm community thinks when seeing such a questionable weapon hybrid design. Also, should this particular picture be added and discussed in the main page, seeing as it's official artwork for the film?		Since this image has had a wide impact on popular culture and a resurgence in popularity because of Trump, I really wonder what the firearm community thinks when seeing such a questionable weapon hybrid design. Also, should this particular picture be added and discussed in the main page, seeing as it's official artwork for the film?
	--[[User:Ssantusky\|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky\|talk]]) 20:02, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		--[[User:Ssantusky\|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky\|talk]]) 20:02, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

			I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

Ssantusky: /* M60/RPG7 Frankengun */

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M60/RPG7 Frankengun

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	[[File:TrumpRambo2M60-RPG7frankengun.jpg\|thumb\|none\|350px\|]]		[[File:TrumpRambo2M60-RPG7frankengun.jpg\|thumb\|none\|350px\|]]
	Since this image has had a wide impact on popular culture and a resurgence in popularity because of Trump, I really wonder what the firearm community thinks when seeing such a questionable weapon hybrid design. Also, should this particular picture be added and discussed in the main page, seeing as it's official artwork for the film?		Since this image has had a wide impact on popular culture and a resurgence in popularity because of Trump, I really wonder what the firearm community thinks when seeing such a questionable weapon hybrid design. Also, should this particular picture be added and discussed in the main page, seeing as it's official artwork for the film?
			--[[User:Ssantusky\|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky\|talk]]) 20:02, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

Ssantusky: /* M60/RPG7 Frankengun */ new section

2021-08-08T23:55:33Z

M60/RPG7 Frankengun: new section

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	This appears to be the same actor, so he should be using the same gun, right? Or are we certain the guns are just a continuity error?--[[User:Thomas\|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas\|talk]]) 11:38, 13 October 2019 (EDT)		This appears to be the same actor, so he should be using the same gun, right? Or are we certain the guns are just a continuity error?--[[User:Thomas\|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas\|talk]]) 11:38, 13 October 2019 (EDT)
	: Certainly not the same guns between those caps. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 12:01, 13 October 2019 (EDT)		: Certainly not the same guns between those caps. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 12:01, 13 October 2019 (EDT)

			== M60/RPG7 Frankengun ==

			I don't know if someone's ever mentioned this before already, but has anyone noticed the poster (I believe it's the artwork for the OST) featuring Rambo with an M60/RPG7 hybrid frakengun weapon? It seems to be the M60E3 but with an RPG-7 warhead inserted into the muzzle. It reminded me of the WW2 German "Gewehrgranatengerät", but such a design here makes absolutely zero sense (you can see the weapon is depicted as a machine gun and not exclusively a rocket launcher because of the belt). Here's the picture for reference:
			[[File:Rambo2M60-RPG7frankengun.jpg\|thumb\|none\|350px\|]]
			I could add this surprised me further since there's a very popular photoshop of this artwork featuring Donald Trump's face instead of Stallone's, usually sold as a flag at Trump rallies and events:
			[[File:TrumpRambo2M60-RPG7frankengun.jpg\|thumb\|none\|350px\|]]
			Since this image has had a wide impact on popular culture and a resurgence in popularity because of Trump, I really wonder what the firearm community thinks when seeing such a questionable weapon hybrid design. Also, should this particular picture be added and discussed in the main page, seeing as it's official artwork for the film?

StanTheMan: /* Same Actor */

2019-10-13T16:01:00Z

Same Actor

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	[[Image:Rambo2 908.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Vietnamese pirate with an M1911A1 in his holster.]]		[[Image:Rambo2 908.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Vietnamese pirate with an M1911A1 in his holster.]]
	This appears to be the same actor, so he should be using the same gun, right? Or are we certain the guns are just a continuity error?--[[User:Thomas\|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas\|talk]]) 11:38, 13 October 2019 (EDT)		This appears to be the same actor, so he should be using the same gun, right? Or are we certain the guns are just a continuity error?--[[User:Thomas\|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas\|talk]]) 11:38, 13 October 2019 (EDT)
			: Certainly not the same guns between those caps. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 12:01, 13 October 2019 (EDT)

Thomas: /* Same Actor */ new section

2019-10-13T15:38:58Z

Same Actor: new section

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	Really? Who put the Valmet M78 in as an assault rifle? As far as i'm concerned, the M78 is a light machinegun. It does piss me off when movies treat light machine guns as rifles. Like in the movie The Black Scorpion, when they treated a Mendoza M1934 LMG as a semi auto hunting rifle.--[[User:Gunner5\|Gunner5]]		Really? Who put the Valmet M78 in as an assault rifle? As far as i'm concerned, the M78 is a light machinegun. It does piss me off when movies treat light machine guns as rifles. Like in the movie The Black Scorpion, when they treated a Mendoza M1934 LMG as a semi auto hunting rifle.--[[User:Gunner5\|Gunner5]]
	:That's not an intentional error [[User:Gunner5\|Gunner5]], in the Black Scorpion, they had blanks, but they didn't blank adapt the gun. Which is what happens when you 'borrow' guns from the military or law enforcement. I can't tell you how many 'amateur' filmmakers or professional filmmakers who have never worked with guns before, don't understand that a gun has to be hollywood blank adapted before it can cycle .. period. Borrowing military guns will only get you those ugly Brightly colored screw-on Milspec BFAs that they use in training. So when they fired the blanks out of the Mendoza, it didn't cycle as expected, so they had to manually cycle the gun. No one gets a Light machine gun and intentionally shows it like a hunting rifle. They got stuck because no one had prior knowledge of how blank adapted movie guns actually worked. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:45, 1 October 2011 (CDT)		:That's not an intentional error [[User:Gunner5\|Gunner5]], in the Black Scorpion, they had blanks, but they didn't blank adapt the gun. Which is what happens when you 'borrow' guns from the military or law enforcement. I can't tell you how many 'amateur' filmmakers or professional filmmakers who have never worked with guns before, don't understand that a gun has to be hollywood blank adapted before it can cycle .. period. Borrowing military guns will only get you those ugly Brightly colored screw-on Milspec BFAs that they use in training. So when they fired the blanks out of the Mendoza, it didn't cycle as expected, so they had to manually cycle the gun. No one gets a Light machine gun and intentionally shows it like a hunting rifle. They got stuck because no one had prior knowledge of how blank adapted movie guns actually worked. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:45, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

			== Same Actor ==

			[[Image:RamboIITT33-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A pirate sneaks onto the ship via the roof with his pistol in hand before being gunned down by Co Bao's AKM.]]
			[[Image:Rambo2 908.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Vietnamese pirate with an M1911A1 in his holster.]]
			This appears to be the same actor, so he should be using the same gun, right? Or are we certain the guns are just a continuity error?--[[User:Thomas\|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas\|talk]]) 11:38, 13 October 2019 (EDT)

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	I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		I think it actually is some weird hybrid, because if you look closely, the M60's barrel actually has the contour of an RPG tube behind where the warhead is "inserted." As for the Trump image, I don't see what relevance it has to the movie to be discussed. There are plenty of other places where such political commentary can be discussed. [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (EDT)
	: There's been a few instances of cover and poster art having some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' for example that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, and I agree it it is weird, but it's also not unheard-of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)		: There's been a few instances of cover and poster art having some 'franken'-work done to them, including - I daresay, particularly - on weapons. There are cover arts for ''RoboCop 3'' for example that show Robo aiming what appears at a glance to be his typical Auto-9 but if seen closely it's actually the barrel of the gunarm grafted onto/into his hand as if it were a pistol. There's been other odd examples throughout time as well. WHY this happens I couldn't say, and I agree it it is weird, but it's also not unheard-of. Anyway I'd say the actual cover art is worth making a note on the page about, but that one with Trump aside from the reference you just pointed out really has no other business here as already stated. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

			::Hello, thanks for the responses. Indeed, it seems to be the actual tube being superimposed over the barrel, not really inserted into the muzzle. To any person with minimal knowledge about firearms (i.e. distinguishing a machine gun from a rocket launcher) this design will seem quite jarring. And no, I'm not interested in discussing politics; I simply emphasized that this particular image has been seen recently photoshopped in such a way, which makes it have an impact on popular culture because of how ubiquitous it is (it's not uncommon to see that flag in the TV news coverage of such rallies, for instance). So, that makes me think, people who know about firearms surely notice what's wrong with the design (and a lot of people will surely come across this photoshop more than the original image). I only mentioned the Trump photoshop because it's made from a relatively obscure artwork for the film which has gained renewed visibility and exposure through this particular representation. I think that's important, considering this is a very old film, and Rambo's weapons (mainly the M60) are very well known to the general public. I'm interested in discussing the film's impact on popular culture through its weapons' representations, not politics. The photoshop picture I included is just for reference, nothing more.--[[User:Ssantusky\|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky\|talk]]) 22:42, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

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	[[Image:Rambo2 908.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Vietnamese pirate with an M1911A1 in his holster.]]		[[Image:Rambo2 908.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Vietnamese pirate with an M1911A1 in his holster.]]
	This appears to be the same actor, so he should be using the same gun, right? Or are we certain the guns are just a continuity error?--[[User:Thomas\|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas\|talk]]) 11:38, 13 October 2019 (EDT)		This appears to be the same actor, so he should be using the same gun, right? Or are we certain the guns are just a continuity error?--[[User:Thomas\|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas\|talk]]) 11:38, 13 October 2019 (EDT)
			: Certainly not the same guns between those caps. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 12:01, 13 October 2019 (EDT)

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	Really? Who put the Valmet M78 in as an assault rifle? As far as i'm concerned, the M78 is a light machinegun. It does piss me off when movies treat light machine guns as rifles. Like in the movie The Black Scorpion, when they treated a Mendoza M1934 LMG as a semi auto hunting rifle.--[[User:Gunner5\|Gunner5]]		Really? Who put the Valmet M78 in as an assault rifle? As far as i'm concerned, the M78 is a light machinegun. It does piss me off when movies treat light machine guns as rifles. Like in the movie The Black Scorpion, when they treated a Mendoza M1934 LMG as a semi auto hunting rifle.--[[User:Gunner5\|Gunner5]]
	:That's not an intentional error [[User:Gunner5\|Gunner5]], in the Black Scorpion, they had blanks, but they didn't blank adapt the gun. Which is what happens when you 'borrow' guns from the military or law enforcement. I can't tell you how many 'amateur' filmmakers or professional filmmakers who have never worked with guns before, don't understand that a gun has to be hollywood blank adapted before it can cycle .. period. Borrowing military guns will only get you those ugly Brightly colored screw-on Milspec BFAs that they use in training. So when they fired the blanks out of the Mendoza, it didn't cycle as expected, so they had to manually cycle the gun. No one gets a Light machine gun and intentionally shows it like a hunting rifle. They got stuck because no one had prior knowledge of how blank adapted movie guns actually worked. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:45, 1 October 2011 (CDT)		:That's not an intentional error [[User:Gunner5\|Gunner5]], in the Black Scorpion, they had blanks, but they didn't blank adapt the gun. Which is what happens when you 'borrow' guns from the military or law enforcement. I can't tell you how many 'amateur' filmmakers or professional filmmakers who have never worked with guns before, don't understand that a gun has to be hollywood blank adapted before it can cycle .. period. Borrowing military guns will only get you those ugly Brightly colored screw-on Milspec BFAs that they use in training. So when they fired the blanks out of the Mendoza, it didn't cycle as expected, so they had to manually cycle the gun. No one gets a Light machine gun and intentionally shows it like a hunting rifle. They got stuck because no one had prior knowledge of how blank adapted movie guns actually worked. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:45, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

			== Same Actor ==

			[[Image:RamboIITT33-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A pirate sneaks onto the ship via the roof with his pistol in hand before being gunned down by Co Bao's AKM.]]
			[[Image:Rambo2 908.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Vietnamese pirate with an M1911A1 in his holster.]]
			This appears to be the same actor, so he should be using the same gun, right? Or are we certain the guns are just a continuity error?--[[User:Thomas\|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas\|talk]]) 11:38, 13 October 2019 (EDT)