Talk:PP-2000 - Revision history

TheExplodingBarrel: /* Additional Images */

2022-05-30T10:07:02Z

Additional Images

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	[[Image:PP-2000 magsto.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 with spare magazine used as stock - 9x19mm]]		[[Image:PP-2000 magsto.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 with spare magazine used as stock - 9x19mm]]
	[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 - 9x19mm]]		[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 - 9x19mm]]
			[[File:OTs-126.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|OTs-126 - 9x19mm Parabellum]]

	=Discussion=		=Discussion=

TheExplodingBarrel at 17:50, 22 January 2022

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	==Additional Images==		=Additional Images=
	[[Image:PP-2000 magsto.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 with spare magazine used as stock - 9x19mm]]		[[Image:PP-2000 magsto.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 with spare magazine used as stock - 9x19mm]]
	[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 - 9x19mm]]		[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 - 9x19mm]]

	==Discussion==		=Discussion=
	Can the new Russian 9mm 7N31 +P+ armor-piercing round be fired our of any 9mm hand gun or only The PP-2000? also are teflon coated bullets effect on body armor?		Can the new Russian 9mm 7N31 +P+ armor-piercing round be fired our of any 9mm hand gun or only The PP-2000? also are teflon coated bullets effect on body armor?
	:::No, obviously only from weapon designed for high pressure ammunition.		:::No, obviously only from weapon designed for high pressure ammunition.
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	:To clarify on this -- 7N31 one is just a particular loading of 9mm. All the dimensions are the same as standard, and any 9mm gun can fire a 7N31 round. However, 7N31 is an extremely hot load, basically +P+, so it's not a good idea to actually use it in a gun that's not either designed around it, or overbuilt enough to handle the massively increased pressure.		:To clarify on this -- 7N31 one is just a particular loading of 9mm. All the dimensions are the same as standard, and any 9mm gun can fire a 7N31 round. However, 7N31 is an extremely hot load, basically +P+, so it's not a good idea to actually use it in a gun that's not either designed around it, or overbuilt enough to handle the massively increased pressure.

	=How did the Russians do it?=		==How did the Russians do it?==

	I'm amazed that the 9x19mm cartridge could be pushed to PDW penetration levels. I thought that if such a thing was indeed possible, the FBI would have done so in their quest for a new service cartridge that resulted in the .40 S&W. I remember reading a report from the FBI that claimed the 9x19mm cartridge was "tapped out" and "nothing further could be done with it," but this new loading for the PP-2000 certainly proved that wrong.		I'm amazed that the 9x19mm cartridge could be pushed to PDW penetration levels. I thought that if such a thing was indeed possible, the FBI would have done so in their quest for a new service cartridge that resulted in the .40 S&W. I remember reading a report from the FBI that claimed the 9x19mm cartridge was "tapped out" and "nothing further could be done with it," but this new loading for the PP-2000 certainly proved that wrong.

Ramalammy: /* Discussion */

2022-01-22T15:39:00Z

Discussion

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	and there go's that idea. Rex095		and there go's that idea. Rex095
	::No, not only Russian.		::No, not only Russian.

			:To clarify on this -- 7N31 one is just a particular loading of 9mm. All the dimensions are the same as standard, and any 9mm gun can fire a 7N31 round. However, 7N31 is an extremely hot load, basically +P+, so it's not a good idea to actually use it in a gun that's not either designed around it, or overbuilt enough to handle the massively increased pressure.

	=How did the Russians do it?=		=How did the Russians do it?=

Ominae at 07:35, 20 January 2019

2019-01-20T07:35:44Z

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	==Additional Images==		==Additional Images==
	[[Image:PP-2000 magsto.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 with spare magazine used as stock - 9x19mm]]		[[Image:PP-2000 magsto.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 with spare magazine used as stock - 9x19mm]]
			[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 - 9x19mm]]

	==Discussion==		==Discussion==
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	[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|<s>wrong shot</s> (now corrected)]]		[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|<s>wrong shot</s> (now corrected)]]
	~~[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]~~
	[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)		[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
	:Corrected it. Great catch BTW. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:46, 19 February 2012 (CST)		:Corrected it. Great catch BTW. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:46, 19 February 2012 (CST)

Ultimate94ninja: /* Shot is mirrored */

2015-10-03T09:42:57Z

Shot is mirrored

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	== Shot is mirrored ==		== Shot is mirrored ==

	[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|wrong shot]]		[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|<s>wrong shot</s> (now corrected)]]
	[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]		[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]
	[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)		[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
	:Corrected it. Great catch BTW. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:46, 19 February 2012 (CST)		:Corrected it. Great catch BTW. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:46, 19 February 2012 (CST)

Bozitojugg3rn4ut at 11:06, 5 February 2014

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			==Additional Images==
			[[Image:PP-2000 magsto.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|PP-2000 with spare magazine used as stock - 9x19mm]]

			==Discussion==
	Can the new Russian 9mm 7N31 +P+ armor-piercing round be fired our of any 9mm hand gun or only The PP-2000? also are teflon coated bullets effect on body armor?		Can the new Russian 9mm 7N31 +P+ armor-piercing round be fired our of any 9mm hand gun or only The PP-2000? also are teflon coated bullets effect on body armor?
	:::No, obviously only from weapon designed for high pressure ammunition.		:::No, obviously only from weapon designed for high pressure ammunition.

Bozitojugg3rn4ut: /* Shot is mirrored */

2012-02-19T21:46:53Z

Shot is mirrored

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	[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]		[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]
	[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)		[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
			:Corrected it. Great catch BTW. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:46, 19 February 2012 (CST)

Bednardos: /* Shot is mirrored */ new section

2012-02-19T16:56:06Z

Shot is mirrored: new section

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	It'd probably destroy the M9 like the higher pressure 9mm round the military USED to have did. It might work in something like a Glock though-[[User:S&Wshooter\|S&Wshooter]] 21:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)		It'd probably destroy the M9 like the higher pressure 9mm round the military USED to have did. It might work in something like a Glock though-[[User:S&Wshooter\|S&Wshooter]] 21:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

			== Shot is mirrored ==

			[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|wrong shot]]
			[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]
			[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

S&Wshooter at 21:07, 13 April 2010

2010-04-13T21:07:39Z

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	Would it be possible to modify, say, an M9 pistol with this ammunition to turn it into an ersatz PDW pistol? Would the larger bullet diameter mean it would have more stopping power than the other two major PDW calibers, 5.7x28mm and 4.6x30mm? --[[User:Mazryonh\|Mazryonh]] 04:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC)		Would it be possible to modify, say, an M9 pistol with this ammunition to turn it into an ersatz PDW pistol? Would the larger bullet diameter mean it would have more stopping power than the other two major PDW calibers, 5.7x28mm and 4.6x30mm? --[[User:Mazryonh\|Mazryonh]] 04:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

			It'd probably destroy the M9 like the higher pressure 9mm round the military USED to have did. It might work in something like a Glock though-[[User:S&Wshooter\|S&Wshooter]] 21:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Mazryonh at 04:09, 13 April 2010

2010-04-13T04:09:25Z

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	and there go's that idea. Rex095		and there go's that idea. Rex095
	::No, not only Russian.		::No, not only Russian.

			=How did the Russians do it?=

			I'm amazed that the 9x19mm cartridge could be pushed to PDW penetration levels. I thought that if such a thing was indeed possible, the FBI would have done so in their quest for a new service cartridge that resulted in the .40 S&W. I remember reading a report from the FBI that claimed the 9x19mm cartridge was "tapped out" and "nothing further could be done with it," but this new loading for the PP-2000 certainly proved that wrong.

			Would it be possible to modify, say, an M9 pistol with this ammunition to turn it into an ersatz PDW pistol? Would the larger bullet diameter mean it would have more stopping power than the other two major PDW calibers, 5.7x28mm and 4.6x30mm? --[[User:Mazryonh\|Mazryonh]] 04:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

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	== Shot is mirrored ==		== Shot is mirrored ==

	[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|wrong shot]]		[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|<s>wrong shot</s> (now corrected)]]
	[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]		[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]
	[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)		[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
	:Corrected it. Great catch BTW. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:46, 19 February 2012 (CST)		:Corrected it. Great catch BTW. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:46, 19 February 2012 (CST)

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	[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]		[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|correct shot]]
	[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)		[[User:Bednardos\|Bednardos]] 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
			:Corrected it. Great catch BTW. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:46, 19 February 2012 (CST)