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StanTheMan: /* Ruger AC556K */

2016-03-07T08:03:47Z

Ruger AC556K

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	:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)		::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when full-length rifles are lumped in with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)		::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when full-length/long-barreled rifles are lumped in with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)

StanTheMan: /* Ruger AC556K */

2016-03-07T08:03:19Z

Ruger AC556K

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	:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)		::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when ~~lumping together~~ full-length rifles with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)		::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when full-length rifles are lumped in with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)

StanTheMan: /* Ruger AC556K */

2016-03-07T08:02:19Z

Ruger AC556K

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	:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)		::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)
			::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when lumping together full-length rifles with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Commando552: /* Ruger AC556K */

2016-02-26T22:20:11Z

Ruger AC556K

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	:: For the record, Mini-14s are considered 'assault rifles' since they fire the intermediate 5.56x45 cartridge. Again, I think it's just simpler to stick to a single 'Rifles / Carbines' section, but otherwise it can be lumped together. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 15:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:: For the record, Mini-14s are considered 'assault rifles' since they fire the intermediate 5.56x45 cartridge. Again, I think it's just simpler to stick to a single 'Rifles / Carbines' section, but otherwise it can be lumped together. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 15:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)
			::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)

Greg-Z: /* Ruger AC556K */

2016-02-26T20:28:56Z

Ruger AC556K

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	:This rifle isn't seen close, only in distance. The only think that I can add is that it fires only semi-auto, not full-auto, during the shootout. Anyway I agree with your arguments. From the very beginning I wasn't sure that it's a genuine AC55K. Many thanks for help! [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 12:03, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:This rifle isn't seen close, only in distance. The only think that I can add is that it fires only semi-auto, not full-auto, during the shootout. Anyway I agree with your arguments. From the very beginning I wasn't sure that it's a genuine AC55K. Many thanks for help! [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 12:03, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	:: For the record, Mini-14s are considered 'assault rifles' since they fire the intermediate 5.56x45 cartridge. Again, I think it's just simpler to stick to a single 'Rifles / Carbines' section, but otherwise it can be lumped together. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 15:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:: For the record, Mini-14s are considered 'assault rifles' since they fire the intermediate 5.56x45 cartridge. Again, I think it's just simpler to stick to a single 'Rifles / Carbines' section, but otherwise it can be lumped together. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 15:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)
			:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)

StanTheMan: /* Ruger AC556K */

2016-02-26T20:13:49Z

Ruger AC556K

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	Are there any photos showing that this has the fire selector, because I am a bit skeptical that it is really an AC556K. Firstly, it is in a Butler Creek (I think, if not, similar) stock rather than the standard Ruger one that the AC556K uses. This isn't definitive as this could be changed, however it also appears that this didn't originally have the 13" barrel as the front sight is in the wrong place (on the exposed barrel rather than on the front of the handguard). If both of these things have been changed my guess would be that it is a custom, based either on a Mini 14 if it doesn't have the selector, or a full-size AC556 if it does. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 07:48, 26 February 2016 (EST)		Are there any photos showing that this has the fire selector, because I am a bit skeptical that it is really an AC556K. Firstly, it is in a Butler Creek (I think, if not, similar) stock rather than the standard Ruger one that the AC556K uses. This isn't definitive as this could be changed, however it also appears that this didn't originally have the 13" barrel as the front sight is in the wrong place (on the exposed barrel rather than on the front of the handguard). If both of these things have been changed my guess would be that it is a custom, based either on a Mini 14 if it doesn't have the selector, or a full-size AC556 if it does. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 07:48, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	:This rifle isn't seen close, only in distance. The only think that I can add is that it fires only semi-auto, not full-auto, during the shootout. Anyway I agree with your arguments. From the very beginning I wasn't sure that it's a genuine AC55K. Many thanks for help! [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 12:03, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:This rifle isn't seen close, only in distance. The only think that I can add is that it fires only semi-auto, not full-auto, during the shootout. Anyway I agree with your arguments. From the very beginning I wasn't sure that it's a genuine AC55K. Many thanks for help! [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 12:03, 26 February 2016 (EST)
			:: For the record, Mini-14s are considered 'assault rifles' since they fire the intermediate 5.56x45 cartridge. Again, I think it's just simpler to stick to a single 'Rifles / Carbines' section, but otherwise it can be lumped together. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 15:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)

Greg-Z: /* Ruger AC556K */

2016-02-26T17:03:18Z

Ruger AC556K

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	Are there any photos showing that this has the fire selector, because I am a bit skeptical that it is really an AC556K. Firstly, it is in a Butler Creek (I think, if not, similar) stock rather than the standard Ruger one that the AC556K uses. This isn't definitive as this could be changed, however it also appears that this didn't originally have the 13" barrel as the front sight is in the wrong place (on the exposed barrel rather than on the front of the handguard). If both of these things have been changed my guess would be that it is a custom, based either on a Mini 14 if it doesn't have the selector, or a full-size AC556 if it does. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 07:48, 26 February 2016 (EST)		Are there any photos showing that this has the fire selector, because I am a bit skeptical that it is really an AC556K. Firstly, it is in a Butler Creek (I think, if not, similar) stock rather than the standard Ruger one that the AC556K uses. This isn't definitive as this could be changed, however it also appears that this didn't originally have the 13" barrel as the front sight is in the wrong place (on the exposed barrel rather than on the front of the handguard). If both of these things have been changed my guess would be that it is a custom, based either on a Mini 14 if it doesn't have the selector, or a full-size AC556 if it does. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 07:48, 26 February 2016 (EST)
			:This rifle isn't seen close, only in distance. The only think that I can add is that it fires only semi-auto, not full-auto, during the shootout. Anyway I agree with your arguments. From the very beginning I wasn't sure that it's a genuine AC55K. Many thanks for help! [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 12:03, 26 February 2016 (EST)

Commando552: /* Ruger AC556K */ new section

2016-02-26T12:48:54Z

Ruger AC556K: new section

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	::As it seems to me, the magazine of screen AK is different from the version, used on Arsenal models. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)		::As it seems to me, the magazine of screen AK is different from the version, used on Arsenal models. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)
	::: Ah, there we are - I agree that it is an Arsenal, the furniture and receiver match. I agree with it just being an odd/custom flash hider. The mag is not standard but could probably just be an aftermarket version. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST)		::: Ah, there we are - I agree that it is an Arsenal, the furniture and receiver match. I agree with it just being an odd/custom flash hider. The mag is not standard but could probably just be an aftermarket version. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST)

			== Ruger AC556K ==

			Are there any photos showing that this has the fire selector, because I am a bit skeptical that it is really an AC556K. Firstly, it is in a Butler Creek (I think, if not, similar) stock rather than the standard Ruger one that the AC556K uses. This isn't definitive as this could be changed, however it also appears that this didn't originally have the 13" barrel as the front sight is in the wrong place (on the exposed barrel rather than on the front of the handguard). If both of these things have been changed my guess would be that it is a custom, based either on a Mini 14 if it doesn't have the selector, or a full-size AC556 if it does. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 07:48, 26 February 2016 (EST)

StanTheMan: /* Other IDs */

2016-02-21T18:35:24Z

Other IDs

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	The SIG doesn't seem to be a SIG to me, it clearly has a slanted grip/magwell, not flat. Doesn't appear to have an external hammer either, tough to tell. I won't swear to this but a possible guess for me might be a [[Smith & Wesson Sigma]]. The first AK I recall seeing before, can't place it right now though. Second AK is a Norinco Type 56-1 since it appears to have the hooded front sight and non-ribbed receiver. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:01, 21 February 2016 (EST)		The SIG doesn't seem to be a SIG to me, it clearly has a slanted grip/magwell, not flat. Doesn't appear to have an external hammer either, tough to tell. I won't swear to this but a possible guess for me might be a [[Smith & Wesson Sigma]]. The first AK I recall seeing before, can't place it right now though. Second AK is a Norinco Type 56-1 since it appears to have the hooded front sight and non-ribbed receiver. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:01, 21 February 2016 (EST)
	::Yes, S&W Sigma seems a correct guess, thanks! I'm not totally sure about Type 56, was it ever produced with black synthetic furniture? [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)		::Yes, S&W Sigma seems a correct guess, thanks! I'm not totally sure about Type 56, was it ever produced with black synthetic furniture? [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)
	::: Produced perhaps not, but I'm quite certain there's aftermarket black/plastic furniture that can be installed. There are receiver markings in the one shot - Though not quite discernible, I believe they match with those for imported Type 56s (which often had the slant compensator installed). In the event, only the Chinese AKs have hooded sights. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST)		::: Produced perhaps not, but I'm quite certain there's aftermarket black/plastic furniture that can be installed. There are receiver markings in the one shot - Though not quite discernible, I believe they match with those for imported Type 56s (which I also believe often had the slant compensator installed). In the event, only the Chinese AKs have hooded sights. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST)

StanTheMan: /* Other IDs */

2016-02-21T18:31:28Z

Other IDs

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	The SIG doesn't seem to be a SIG to me, it clearly has a slanted grip/magwell, not flat. Doesn't appear to have an external hammer either, tough to tell. I won't swear to this but a possible guess for me might be a [[Smith & Wesson Sigma]]. The first AK I recall seeing before, can't place it right now though. Second AK is a Norinco Type 56-1 since it appears to have the hooded front sight and non-ribbed receiver. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:01, 21 February 2016 (EST)		The SIG doesn't seem to be a SIG to me, it clearly has a slanted grip/magwell, not flat. Doesn't appear to have an external hammer either, tough to tell. I won't swear to this but a possible guess for me might be a [[Smith & Wesson Sigma]]. The first AK I recall seeing before, can't place it right now though. Second AK is a Norinco Type 56-1 since it appears to have the hooded front sight and non-ribbed receiver. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:01, 21 February 2016 (EST)
	::Yes, S&W Sigma seems a correct guess, thanks! I'm not totally sure about Type 56, was it ever produced with black synthetic furniture? [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)		::Yes, S&W Sigma seems a correct guess, thanks! I'm not totally sure about Type 56, was it ever produced with black synthetic furniture? [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)
	::: Produced perhaps not, but I'm quite certain there's aftermarket black/plastic furniture that can be installed. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST)		::: Produced perhaps not, but I'm quite certain there's aftermarket black/plastic furniture that can be installed. There are receiver markings in the one shot - Though not quite discernible, I believe they match with those for imported Type 56s (which often had the slant compensator installed). In the event, only the Chinese AKs have hooded sights. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST)

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	:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)		::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when full-length rifles are lumped in with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)		::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when full-length/long-barreled rifles are lumped in with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)

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	:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)		::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when ~~lumping together~~ full-length rifles with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)		::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when full-length rifles are lumped in with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)

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	:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)		::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)
			::::: Bah, can't believe I missed this.. Anyway, debate over the definition aside, I agree with you in your latter part - I myself usually make simple "Rifles" categories for your stated reasons - No need to make separate 'Assault', 'Sniper', etc categories unless we're talking about a large number of weapons to list. As for using "Rifles / Carbines" - I only do that when lumping together full-length rifles with actual 'carbines' and/or short-barreled guns. That doesn't ''have'' to be followed really, it's just what I tend to do. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 03:02, 7 March 2016 (EST)

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	:: For the record, Mini-14s are considered 'assault rifles' since they fire the intermediate 5.56x45 cartridge. Again, I think it's just simpler to stick to a single 'Rifles / Carbines' section, but otherwise it can be lumped together. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 15:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:: For the record, Mini-14s are considered 'assault rifles' since they fire the intermediate 5.56x45 cartridge. Again, I think it's just simpler to stick to a single 'Rifles / Carbines' section, but otherwise it can be lumped together. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 15:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)
			::::A Mini 14 isn't an assault rifle, one of the things a rifle has to have in order to be an assault rifle is a select fire capability, which the civillian Mini 14 lacks (AC556 is an assault rifle though by this definition). Firing a 5.56x45mm cartridge is not enough to make something an "assault rifle", a HK630 (5.56x45mm chambering of the [[Heckler & Koch HK770]]) is functionally identical to a Mini 14 being a semi-auto 5.56x45mm gun with detachable magazines, but nobody would ever call that an assault rifle. TBH, most of the firearms that we might put in an "assault rifle" category probably technically aren't, being civilian semi auto variants instead. For these reasons, I personally find it best to just have a "Rifles" category (I would also probably not bother with the "/Carbines" either but that is a whole other topic), that is unless there are a lot of rifles where it may be beneficial to split them up into different sub-categories.--[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)

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	:This rifle isn't seen close, only in distance. The only think that I can add is that it fires only semi-auto, not full-auto, during the shootout. Anyway I agree with your arguments. From the very beginning I wasn't sure that it's a genuine AC55K. Many thanks for help! [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 12:03, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:This rifle isn't seen close, only in distance. The only think that I can add is that it fires only semi-auto, not full-auto, during the shootout. Anyway I agree with your arguments. From the very beginning I wasn't sure that it's a genuine AC55K. Many thanks for help! [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 12:03, 26 February 2016 (EST)
	:: For the record, Mini-14s are considered 'assault rifles' since they fire the intermediate 5.56x45 cartridge. Again, I think it's just simpler to stick to a single 'Rifles / Carbines' section, but otherwise it can be lumped together. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 15:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)		:: For the record, Mini-14s are considered 'assault rifles' since they fire the intermediate 5.56x45 cartridge. Again, I think it's just simpler to stick to a single 'Rifles / Carbines' section, but otherwise it can be lumped together. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 15:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)
			:::Agree. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 15:28, 26 February 2016 (EST)