Talk:Molot Bekas - Revision history

Slon95 at 16:34, 20 May 2020

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	==Additional Images==		==Additional Images==
	[[File:Early Bekas.jpg\|thumb\|450px\|none\|Two early versions of Molot Bekas - 16/35 gauge. Top - the first prototype based on KS-23 and produced in limited quantities in the early 90's. Bottom - a revised version.]]		[[File:Early Bekas.jpg\|thumb\|450px\|none\|Two early versions of Molot Bekas - 16/35 gauge. Top - the first prototype based on KS-23 and produced in limited quantities in the early 90's. Bottom - a revised version.]]
			[[File:Bekas-12M Pistol Grip.jpg\|thumb\|450px\|none\|Bekas-12M with 21-inch barrel and a "combat" pistol grip - 12 gauge]]

	==Origins or background history==		==Origins or background history==

Slon95 at 16:25, 23 December 2019

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	==Additional Images==		==Additional Images==
	[[File:Early Bekas.jpg\|thumb\|450px\|none\|Two early versions of Molot Bekas - 16/35 gauge. Top - the first prototype based on KS-23~~. Bottom - a revised version,~~ produced in limited quantities in the early 90's.]]		[[File:Early Bekas.jpg\|thumb\|450px\|none\|Two early versions of Molot Bekas - 16/35 gauge. Top - the first prototype based on KS-23 and produced in limited quantities in the early 90's. Bottom - a revised version.]]

	==Origins or background history==		==Origins or background history==

Slon95 at 12:40, 28 October 2019

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			==Additional Images==
			[[File:Early Bekas.jpg\|thumb\|450px\|none\|Two early versions of Molot Bekas - 16/35 gauge. Top - the first prototype based on KS-23. Bottom - a revised version, produced in limited quantities in the early 90's.]]

	==Origins or background history==		==Origins or background history==
	Any chance of getting a summary about this hitherto unknown shotgun? :) Who makes it? Who uses it. What country does it come from (though I figured that one out pretty quickly). :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]]		Any chance of getting a summary about this hitherto unknown shotgun? :) Who makes it? Who uses it. What country does it come from (though I figured that one out pretty quickly). :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Slon95: Slon95 moved page Talk:Molot Bekas-M to Talk:Molot Bekas: Not only the M version.

2019-10-28T12:30:04Z

Slon95 moved page Talk:Molot Bekas-M to Talk:Molot Bekas: Not only the M version.

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Slon95 at 15:02, 29 May 2019

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	:::::::Oh. Then what are 12/65 shells? I don't think I've seen shells shorter than in 2.75 inches in the US. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 12:16, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		:::::::Oh. Then what are 12/65 shells? I don't think I've seen shells shorter than in 2.75 inches in the US. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 12:16, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
	::::::::There are 2 1/2" shells which I have seen called 63.5mm, but I think there are also something like 2 9/16" shells which are 65mm (or it may be that 2 1/2" is a simplified term for 2 9/16" shells). I think the 2 9/16" chambering was for European and British guns, as opposed to America which used 2 5/8” chambers. I think all of these are pretty much obsolete at this point, so am not sure which one this is referring to. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 12:34, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		::::::::There are 2 1/2" shells which I have seen called 63.5mm, but I think there are also something like 2 9/16" shells which are 65mm (or it may be that 2 1/2" is a simplified term for 2 9/16" shells). I think the 2 9/16" chambering was for European and British guns, as opposed to America which used 2 5/8” chambers. I think all of these are pretty much obsolete at this point, so am not sure which one this is referring to. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 12:34, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

			Curiously, although the KS-23 was made on the base of the Winchester 1200, Bekas, apparently, was reworked under the impression of [[Manufrance Rapid]], wich was quite popular in the USSR. Just compare them. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 11:02, 29 May 2019 (EDT)

Commando552 at 17:34, 13 June 2012

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	::::::70mm means 2 3/4" shells (actually 69.85mm), which is the standard length with 3" shells being equivalent to "magnum" rounds. 3" shells are referred to as 76mm (actually 76.2mm).		::::::70mm means 2 3/4" shells (actually 69.85mm), which is the standard length with 3" shells being equivalent to "magnum" rounds. 3" shells are referred to as 76mm (actually 76.2mm).
	:::::::Oh. Then what are 12/65 shells? I don't think I've seen shells shorter than in 2.75 inches in the US. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 12:16, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		:::::::Oh. Then what are 12/65 shells? I don't think I've seen shells shorter than in 2.75 inches in the US. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 12:16, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
			::::::::There are 2 1/2" shells which I have seen called 63.5mm, but I think there are also something like 2 9/16" shells which are 65mm (or it may be that 2 1/2" is a simplified term for 2 9/16" shells). I think the 2 9/16" chambering was for European and British guns, as opposed to America which used 2 5/8” chambers. I think all of these are pretty much obsolete at this point, so am not sure which one this is referring to. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 12:34, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

Funkychinaman at 17:16, 13 June 2012

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	:::::I'm not sure if 3 inch shells are actually 3 inches or if it's just rounded off. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 09:03, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		:::::I'm not sure if 3 inch shells are actually 3 inches or if it's just rounded off. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 09:03, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
	::::::70mm means 2 3/4" shells (actually 69.85mm), which is the standard length with 3" shells being equivalent to "magnum" rounds. 3" shells are referred to as 76mm (actually 76.2mm).		::::::70mm means 2 3/4" shells (actually 69.85mm), which is the standard length with 3" shells being equivalent to "magnum" rounds. 3" shells are referred to as 76mm (actually 76.2mm).
			:::::::Oh. Then what are 12/65 shells? I don't think I've seen shells shorter than in 2.75 inches in the US. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 12:16, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

Commando552 at 16:56, 13 June 2012

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	::::Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		::::Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
	:::::I'm not sure if 3 inch shells are actually 3 inches or if it's just rounded off. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 09:03, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		:::::I'm not sure if 3 inch shells are actually 3 inches or if it's just rounded off. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 09:03, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
			::::::70mm means 2 3/4" shells (actually 69.85mm), which is the standard length with 3" shells being equivalent to "magnum" rounds. 3" shells are referred to as 76mm (actually 76.2mm).

Funkychinaman at 14:03, 13 June 2012

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	:::Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		:::Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
	::::Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		::::Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
			:::::I'm not sure if 3 inch shells are actually 3 inches or if it's just rounded off. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 09:03, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

Greg-Z: /* Origins or background history */

2012-06-13T13:56:26Z

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	::I added some data and pictures from the company website. There is an [http://www.molot.biz/product-e/index.php English version of the site] but it is hard to find. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 03:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		::I added some data and pictures from the company website. There is an [http://www.molot.biz/product-e/index.php English version of the site] but it is hard to find. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 03:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
	:::Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		:::Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
			::::Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

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	:::::::Oh. Then what are 12/65 shells? I don't think I've seen shells shorter than in 2.75 inches in the US. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 12:16, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		:::::::Oh. Then what are 12/65 shells? I don't think I've seen shells shorter than in 2.75 inches in the US. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 12:16, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
	::::::::There are 2 1/2" shells which I have seen called 63.5mm, but I think there are also something like 2 9/16" shells which are 65mm (or it may be that 2 1/2" is a simplified term for 2 9/16" shells). I think the 2 9/16" chambering was for European and British guns, as opposed to America which used 2 5/8” chambers. I think all of these are pretty much obsolete at this point, so am not sure which one this is referring to. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 12:34, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		::::::::There are 2 1/2" shells which I have seen called 63.5mm, but I think there are also something like 2 9/16" shells which are 65mm (or it may be that 2 1/2" is a simplified term for 2 9/16" shells). I think the 2 9/16" chambering was for European and British guns, as opposed to America which used 2 5/8” chambers. I think all of these are pretty much obsolete at this point, so am not sure which one this is referring to. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 12:34, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

			Curiously, although the KS-23 was made on the base of the Winchester 1200, Bekas, apparently, was reworked under the impression of [[Manufrance Rapid]], wich was quite popular in the USSR. Just compare them. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 11:02, 29 May 2019 (EDT)

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	:::Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		:::Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
	::::Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		::::Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
			:::::I'm not sure if 3 inch shells are actually 3 inches or if it's just rounded off. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 09:03, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

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	::I added some data and pictures from the company website. There is an [http://www.molot.biz/product-e/index.php English version of the site] but it is hard to find. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 03:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		::I added some data and pictures from the company website. There is an [http://www.molot.biz/product-e/index.php English version of the site] but it is hard to find. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 03:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
	:::Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)		:::Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
			::::Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)