Talk:M30 Luftwaffe Drilling - Revision history

Evil Tim: /* Which trigger fires which barrel? */

2017-12-10T07:31:43Z

Which trigger fires which barrel?

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	So the weapon undisputedly has two triggers, three barrels, and a selector to switch between the three, with "forwards" raising the rear sight and switching it to the rifle mode. The current page description says this: "With the selector in the forward position... the front trigger fires the rifle barrel while the rear trigger fires the left shotgun barrel... Sliding the selector back... disables the front trigger and makes the rear trigger fire the right shotgun barrel." But [https://youtu.be/LnHW3-aDP30?t=2m53s Ian from Forgotten Weapons] says that: "The front trigger will fire the rifle barrel, and it will also fire the right shotgun barrel." Which one is correct? Where did we find the current info? --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 01:45, 10 December 2017 (EST)		So the weapon undisputedly has two triggers, three barrels, and a selector to switch between the three, with "forwards" raising the rear sight and switching it to the rifle mode. The current page description says this: "With the selector in the forward position... the front trigger fires the rifle barrel while the rear trigger fires the left shotgun barrel... Sliding the selector back... disables the front trigger and makes the rear trigger fire the right shotgun barrel." But [https://youtu.be/LnHW3-aDP30?t=2m53s Ian from Forgotten Weapons] says that: "The front trigger will fire the rifle barrel, and it will also fire the right shotgun barrel." Which one is correct? Where did we find the current info? --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 01:45, 10 December 2017 (EST)
	:I found the quote in the first section of the talk page on TheFreeLibrary ([https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Luftwaffe+drilling%3A+world%27s+most+expensive+survival+arm.-a0199793903 here]) which sources it to ''Shotgun News'', published May 10th 2009. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 02:23, 10 December 2017 (EST)		:I found the quote in the first section of the talk page on TheFreeLibrary ([https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Luftwaffe+drilling%3A+world%27s+most+expensive+survival+arm.-a0199793903 here]) which sources it to ''Shotgun News'', published May 10th 2009. Though I did misquote it in the page description when I said the rear trigger fires the right barrel, it's the front (as it says above). I think that agrees with what Ian is saying but I'm a little tired and confused. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 02:23, 10 December 2017 (EST)

Evil Tim: /* Which trigger fires which barrel? */

2017-12-10T07:23:30Z

Which trigger fires which barrel?

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	So the weapon undisputedly has two triggers, three barrels, and a selector to switch between the three, with "forwards" raising the rear sight and switching it to the rifle mode. The current page description says this: "With the selector in the forward position... the front trigger fires the rifle barrel while the rear trigger fires the left shotgun barrel... Sliding the selector back... disables the front trigger and makes the rear trigger fire the right shotgun barrel." But [https://youtu.be/LnHW3-aDP30?t=2m53s Ian from Forgotten Weapons] says that: "The front trigger will fire the rifle barrel, and it will also fire the right shotgun barrel." Which one is correct? Where did we find the current info? --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 01:45, 10 December 2017 (EST)		So the weapon undisputedly has two triggers, three barrels, and a selector to switch between the three, with "forwards" raising the rear sight and switching it to the rifle mode. The current page description says this: "With the selector in the forward position... the front trigger fires the rifle barrel while the rear trigger fires the left shotgun barrel... Sliding the selector back... disables the front trigger and makes the rear trigger fire the right shotgun barrel." But [https://youtu.be/LnHW3-aDP30?t=2m53s Ian from Forgotten Weapons] says that: "The front trigger will fire the rifle barrel, and it will also fire the right shotgun barrel." Which one is correct? Where did we find the current info? --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 01:45, 10 December 2017 (EST)
			:I found the quote in the first section of the talk page on TheFreeLibrary ([https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Luftwaffe+drilling%3A+world%27s+most+expensive+survival+arm.-a0199793903 here]) which sources it to ''Shotgun News'', published May 10th 2009. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 02:23, 10 December 2017 (EST)

Wuzh: /* Which trigger fires which barrel? */

2017-12-10T06:45:25Z

Which trigger fires which barrel?

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	== Which trigger fires which barrel? ==		== Which trigger fires which barrel? ==

	So the weapon undisputedly has two triggers, three barrels, and a selector to switch between the three, with "forwards" raising the rear sight and switching it to the rifle mode. The current page description says this: "With the selector in the forward position... the front trigger fires the rifle barrel while the rear trigger fires the left shotgun barrel... Sliding the selector back... disables the front trigger and makes the rear trigger fire the right shotgun barrel." But [[https://youtu.be/LnHW3-aDP30?t=2m53s Ian from Forgotten Weapons]] says that: "The front trigger will fire the rifle barrel, and it will also fire the right shotgun barrel." Which one is correct? Where did we find the current info? --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 01:45, 10 December 2017 (EST)		So the weapon undisputedly has two triggers, three barrels, and a selector to switch between the three, with "forwards" raising the rear sight and switching it to the rifle mode. The current page description says this: "With the selector in the forward position... the front trigger fires the rifle barrel while the rear trigger fires the left shotgun barrel... Sliding the selector back... disables the front trigger and makes the rear trigger fire the right shotgun barrel." But [https://youtu.be/LnHW3-aDP30?t=2m53s Ian from Forgotten Weapons] says that: "The front trigger will fire the rifle barrel, and it will also fire the right shotgun barrel." Which one is correct? Where did we find the current info? --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 01:45, 10 December 2017 (EST)

Wuzh: /* Which trigger fires which barrel? */ new section

2017-12-10T06:45:15Z

Which trigger fires which barrel?: new section

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	:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians. (Also on a hair-splitting level Germany wasn't in a legal state of war with the parts of its own population it was trying to exterminate, hence the creation of the concept of "crimes against humanity" to address that: this was also why the 1949 Geneva Convention added a section regarding conduct when one side in an armed conflict is not a state, since prior to this your rights as a non-state combatant were, um, nothing).		:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians. (Also on a hair-splitting level Germany wasn't in a legal state of war with the parts of its own population it was trying to exterminate, hence the creation of the concept of "crimes against humanity" to address that: this was also why the 1949 Geneva Convention added a section regarding conduct when one side in an armed conflict is not a state, since prior to this your rights as a non-state combatant were, um, nothing).
	:By all accounts this weapon mostly exists because Goering didn't know a lot about Africa aside from big carnivorous things live there somewhere, and had visions of his heroic pilots being eated by lions, not realising that North Africa leans more towards scorpions. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)		:By all accounts this weapon mostly exists because Goering didn't know a lot about Africa aside from big carnivorous things live there somewhere, and had visions of his heroic pilots being eated by lions, not realising that North Africa leans more towards scorpions. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

			== Which trigger fires which barrel? ==

			So the weapon undisputedly has two triggers, three barrels, and a selector to switch between the three, with "forwards" raising the rear sight and switching it to the rifle mode. The current page description says this: "With the selector in the forward position... the front trigger fires the rifle barrel while the rear trigger fires the left shotgun barrel... Sliding the selector back... disables the front trigger and makes the rear trigger fire the right shotgun barrel." But [[https://youtu.be/LnHW3-aDP30?t=2m53s Ian from Forgotten Weapons]] says that: "The front trigger will fire the rifle barrel, and it will also fire the right shotgun barrel." Which one is correct? Where did we find the current info? --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 01:45, 10 December 2017 (EST)

Evil Tim: /* Double standards lol */

2017-10-29T08:27:22Z

Double standards lol

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	Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)		Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
	:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians. (Also on a hair-splitting level Germany wasn't in a legal state of war with the parts of its own population it was trying to exterminate, hence the creation of the concept of "crimes against humanity" to address that: this was also why the 1949 Geneva Convention added a section regarding conduct when one side in a armed conflict is not a state, since prior to this your rights as a non-state combatant were, um, nothing).		:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians. (Also on a hair-splitting level Germany wasn't in a legal state of war with the parts of its own population it was trying to exterminate, hence the creation of the concept of "crimes against humanity" to address that: this was also why the 1949 Geneva Convention added a section regarding conduct when one side in an armed conflict is not a state, since prior to this your rights as a non-state combatant were, um, nothing).
	:By all accounts this weapon mostly exists because Goering didn't know a lot about Africa aside from big carnivorous things live there somewhere, and had visions of his heroic pilots being eated by lions, not realising that North Africa leans more towards scorpions. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)		:By all accounts this weapon mostly exists because Goering didn't know a lot about Africa aside from big carnivorous things live there somewhere, and had visions of his heroic pilots being eated by lions, not realising that North Africa leans more towards scorpions. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

Evil Tim: /* Double standards lol */

2017-10-29T08:27:01Z

Double standards lol

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	Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)		Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
	:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians. (Also on a hair-splitting level Germany wasn't in a legal state of war with the parts of its own population it was trying to exterminate, hence the creation of the concept of "crimes against humanity" to address that).		:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians. (Also on a hair-splitting level Germany wasn't in a legal state of war with the parts of its own population it was trying to exterminate, hence the creation of the concept of "crimes against humanity" to address that: this was also why the 1949 Geneva Convention added a section regarding conduct when one side in a armed conflict is not a state, since prior to this your rights as a non-state combatant were, um, nothing).
	:By all accounts this weapon mostly exists because Goering didn't know a lot about Africa aside from big carnivorous things live there somewhere, and had visions of his heroic pilots being eated by lions, not realising that North Africa leans more towards scorpions. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)		:By all accounts this weapon mostly exists because Goering didn't know a lot about Africa aside from big carnivorous things live there somewhere, and had visions of his heroic pilots being eated by lions, not realising that North Africa leans more towards scorpions. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

Evil Tim: /* Double standards lol */

2017-10-29T08:15:48Z

Double standards lol

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	Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)		Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
	:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians.		:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians. (Also on a hair-splitting level Germany wasn't in a legal state of war with the parts of its own population it was trying to exterminate, hence the creation of the concept of "crimes against humanity" to address that).
	:By all accounts this weapon mostly exists because Goering didn't know a lot about Africa aside from big carnivorous things live there somewhere, and had visions of his heroic pilots being eated by lions, not realising that North Africa leans more towards scorpions. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)		:By all accounts this weapon mostly exists because Goering didn't know a lot about Africa aside from big carnivorous things live there somewhere, and had visions of his heroic pilots being eated by lions, not realising that North Africa leans more towards scorpions. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

Evil Tim at 07:20, 29 October 2017

2017-10-29T07:20:00Z

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	Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)		Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
	:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)		:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians.
			:By all accounts this weapon mostly exists because Goering didn't know a lot about Africa aside from big carnivorous things live there somewhere, and had visions of his heroic pilots being eated by lions, not realising that North Africa leans more towards scorpions. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

Evil Tim: /* Double standards lol */

2017-10-29T07:16:14Z

Double standards lol

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	Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)		Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
			:Well, this is the same set of rules that says you can't use hollowpoints or riot control agents against soldiers, but can use them against much more dangerous civilians. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 03:16, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

Ultimate94ninja: /* Double standards lol */ new section

2017-10-28T10:00:38Z

Double standards lol: new section

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	:: Jeez, who designed this thing, Rube Goldberg? - [[User: 2wingo]]		:: Jeez, who designed this thing, Rube Goldberg? - [[User: 2wingo]]

			== Double standards lol ==

			Send hundreds of women, children and elderly people to gas chambers, no one bats an eye. Use a 9.3x74mmR round to defend yourself against an enemy, you're a war criminal. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja\|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja\|talk]]) 06:00, 28 October 2017 (EDT)