Talk:Heckler & Koch - Revision history

Funkychinaman at 16:05, 13 June 2013

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	:H&K has always worked for me -[[User:Insertjjs\|Insertjjs]]		:H&K has always worked for me -[[User:Insertjjs\|Insertjjs]]
			::According to the [http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/faq.asp company FAQ], it's "coke." And if you really want to get authentic, it's "Heckler UND Koch." --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 12:05, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

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	==Pronouncing the Company Name==		==Pronouncing the Company Name==
	I am probably asking a very awkward question, but how would you "properly" pronounce the company's name? Sometimes, several people (including documentary narrators) pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Coke", other people tend to pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Kawch (sounds like the word "conch"), occasionally it's "Heck-lure and Cawh", and rarely, people pronounce it as "Heckler & Cowe-sh" ("owe" pronounced like the word "owe" as in "you owe me money"). - [[User:Kenny99\|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99\|talk]]) 18:13, 12 June 2013 (EDT)		I am probably asking a very awkward question, but how would you "properly" pronounce the company's name? Sometimes, several people (including documentary narrators) pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Coke", other people tend to pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Kawch (sounds like the word "conch"), occasionally it's "Heck-lure and Cawh", and rarely, people pronounce it as "Heckler & Cowe-sh" ("owe" pronounced like the word "owe" as in "you owe me money"). - [[User:Kenny99\|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99\|talk]]) 18:13, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

			:H&K has always worked for me -[[User:Insertjjs\|Insertjjs]]

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	::I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in [[Demolition Man]] and the G11K2 in [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)		::I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in [[Demolition Man]] and the G11K2 in [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)
	:::I have responded on your talk page.--[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 18:15, 16 December 2012 (EST)		:::I have responded on your talk page.--[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 18:15, 16 December 2012 (EST)

			==Pronouncing the Company Name==
			I am probably asking a very awkward question, but how would you "properly" pronounce the company's name? Sometimes, several people (including documentary narrators) pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Coke", other people tend to pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Kawch (sounds like the word "conch"), occasionally it's "Heck-lure and Cawh", and rarely, people pronounce it as "Heckler & Cowe-sh" ("owe" pronounced like the word "owe" as in "you owe me money"). - [[User:Kenny99\|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99\|talk]]) 18:13, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

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	:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)		:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)
	::I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in [[Demolition Man]] and the G11K2 in [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)		::I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in [[Demolition Man]] and the G11K2 in [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)
			:::I have responded on your talk page.--[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 18:15, 16 December 2012 (EST)

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	Come on guys the project was not cancelled and there were 3 variants (G11K1 ,ACR and G11K2) avialable for purchase after the project was successfully completed in 1991, just no one purchased it. In addition to that there were only '''256''' G11s made (including all prototypes stages) so these 1000 were never made also the project started in 1968 and ended in 1991 successfully. All this information you can read in books why do you write such stuff? ( "Die G11-Story - Die Entwicklungsgeschichte einer High-Tech-Waffe" by Wolfgang Seel in german but the most complete book about the development, testing and adoption of the G11 and there is even a book in '''english''' that contains correct information about the G11 it is the 50th anniversary book from HK "HK History Book" you can find that in their online shop) --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)		Come on guys the project was not cancelled and there were 3 variants (G11K1 ,ACR and G11K2) avialable for purchase after the project was successfully completed in 1991, just no one purchased it. In addition to that there were only '''256''' G11s made (including all prototypes stages) so these 1000 were never made also the project started in 1968 and ended in 1991 successfully. All this information you can read in books why do you write such stuff? ( "Die G11-Story - Die Entwicklungsgeschichte einer High-Tech-Waffe" by Wolfgang Seel in german but the most complete book about the development, testing and adoption of the G11 and there is even a book in '''english''' that contains correct information about the G11 it is the 50th anniversary book from HK "HK History Book" you can find that in their online shop) --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)
	:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)		:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)
			::I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in [[Demolition Man]] and the G11K2 in [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)

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	Come on guys the project was not cancelled and there were 3 variants (G11K1 ,ACR and G11K2) avialable for purchase after the project was successfully completed in 1991, just no one purchased it. In addition to that there were only '''256''' G11s made (including all prototypes stages) so these 1000 were never made also the project started in 1968 and ended in 1991 successfully. All this information you can read in books why do you write such stuff? ( "Die G11-Story - Die Entwicklungsgeschichte einer High-Tech-Waffe" by Wolfgang Seel in german but the most complete book about the development, testing and adoption of the G11 and there is even a book in '''english''' that contains correct information about the G11 it is the 50th anniversary book from HK "HK History Book" you can find that in their online shop) --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)		Come on guys the project was not cancelled and there were 3 variants (G11K1 ,ACR and G11K2) avialable for purchase after the project was successfully completed in 1991, just no one purchased it. In addition to that there were only '''256''' G11s made (including all prototypes stages) so these 1000 were never made also the project started in 1968 and ended in 1991 successfully. All this information you can read in books why do you write such stuff? ( "Die G11-Story - Die Entwicklungsgeschichte einer High-Tech-Waffe" by Wolfgang Seel in german but the most complete book about the development, testing and adoption of the G11 and there is even a book in '''english''' that contains correct information about the G11 it is the 50th anniversary book from HK "HK History Book" you can find that in their online shop) --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)
			:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)

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	Well i thought charon was talking 17 lbs for the weapon and I can't see the German army getting a gun with all those problems they wouldn't have gotten it unless it met their standards we need more information on the weapon before deciding its worth.		Well i thought charon was talking 17 lbs for the weapon and I can't see the German army getting a gun with all those problems they wouldn't have gotten it unless it met their standards we need more information on the weapon before deciding its worth.

			== G11 ==

			Come on guys the project was not cancelled and there were 3 variants (G11K1 ,ACR and G11K2) avialable for purchase after the project was successfully completed in 1991, just no one purchased it. In addition to that there were only '''256''' G11s made (including all prototypes stages) so these 1000 were never made also the project started in 1968 and ended in 1991 successfully. All this information you can read in books why do you write such stuff? ( "Die G11-Story - Die Entwicklungsgeschichte einer High-Tech-Waffe" by Wolfgang Seel in german but the most complete book about the development, testing and adoption of the G11 and there is even a book in '''english''' that contains correct information about the G11 it is the 50th anniversary book from HK "HK History Book" you can find that in their online shop) --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)

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	:: It's just the way you worded your opinion made it sound like the 11 lbs L129A1 and the 17.4 lbs G28 were the same, when that G28 weight included 4.6 lbs of stuff on it. I do agree that 12.78 lbs is still rather heavy for the rifle, but it would appear that for what the German Army wanted. Had they wanted a lighter rifle they could have just continued to use the G27, which was a stock HK417 that with a 16 inch barrel and weighs 10.16 lbs, but they wanted improved accuracy while maintaining the modularity that the HK417 offered which resulted in a weapon that ends up with a greater overall weight. [[User:Dover500\|Dover500]] 15:54, 10 August 2012 (CDT)		:: It's just the way you worded your opinion made it sound like the 11 lbs L129A1 and the 17.4 lbs G28 were the same, when that G28 weight included 4.6 lbs of stuff on it. I do agree that 12.78 lbs is still rather heavy for the rifle, but it would appear that for what the German Army wanted. Had they wanted a lighter rifle they could have just continued to use the G27, which was a stock HK417 that with a 16 inch barrel and weighs 10.16 lbs, but they wanted improved accuracy while maintaining the modularity that the HK417 offered which resulted in a weapon that ends up with a greater overall weight. [[User:Dover500\|Dover500]] 15:54, 10 August 2012 (CDT)

			Well i thought charon was talking 17 lbs for the weapon and I can't see the German army getting a gun with all those problems they wouldn't have gotten it unless it met their standards we need more information on the weapon before deciding its worth.

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	:17.4lbs is when it is loaded and with issued accessories. 5800g is the weapon, 1250g for the sight, 150g for empty mag, and 500g for 20 rounds of 7.62 which comes to 7700g which is about 17lbs. Maybe the rest is the bipod, or mounts or something. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 04:26, 10 August 2012 (CDT)		:17.4lbs is when it is loaded and with issued accessories. 5800g is the weapon, 1250g for the sight, 150g for empty mag, and 500g for 20 rounds of 7.62 which comes to 7700g which is about 17lbs. Maybe the rest is the bipod, or mounts or something. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 04:26, 10 August 2012 (CDT)

			:: It's just the way you worded your opinion made it sound like the 11 lbs L129A1 and the 17.4 lbs G28 were the same, when that G28 weight included 4.6 lbs of stuff on it. I do agree that 12.78 lbs is still rather heavy for the rifle, but it would appear that for what the German Army wanted. Had they wanted a lighter rifle they could have just continued to use the G27, which was a stock HK417 that with a 16 inch barrel and weighs 10.16 lbs, but they wanted improved accuracy while maintaining the modularity that the HK417 offered which resulted in a weapon that ends up with a greater overall weight. [[User:Dover500\|Dover500]] 15:54, 10 August 2012 (CDT)

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	On their website they state its 5800 grams I did the math and it equals 12.78 pounds so the source must have been incorret		On their website they state its 5800 grams I did the math and it equals 12.78 pounds so the source must have been incorret

			:17.4lbs is when it is loaded and with issued accessories. 5800g is the weapon, 1250g for the sight, 150g for empty mag, and 500g for 20 rounds of 7.62 which comes to 7700g which is about 17lbs. Maybe the rest is the bipod, or mounts or something. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 04:26, 10 August 2012 (CDT)

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	:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)		:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)
	::I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in [[Demolition Man]] and the G11K2 in [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)		::I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in [[Demolition Man]] and the G11K2 in [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)
			:::I have responded on your talk page.--[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 18:15, 16 December 2012 (EST)

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	Come on guys the project was not cancelled and there were 3 variants (G11K1 ,ACR and G11K2) avialable for purchase after the project was successfully completed in 1991, just no one purchased it. In addition to that there were only '''256''' G11s made (including all prototypes stages) so these 1000 were never made also the project started in 1968 and ended in 1991 successfully. All this information you can read in books why do you write such stuff? ( "Die G11-Story - Die Entwicklungsgeschichte einer High-Tech-Waffe" by Wolfgang Seel in german but the most complete book about the development, testing and adoption of the G11 and there is even a book in '''english''' that contains correct information about the G11 it is the 50th anniversary book from HK "HK History Book" you can find that in their online shop) --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)		Come on guys the project was not cancelled and there were 3 variants (G11K1 ,ACR and G11K2) avialable for purchase after the project was successfully completed in 1991, just no one purchased it. In addition to that there were only '''256''' G11s made (including all prototypes stages) so these 1000 were never made also the project started in 1968 and ended in 1991 successfully. All this information you can read in books why do you write such stuff? ( "Die G11-Story - Die Entwicklungsgeschichte einer High-Tech-Waffe" by Wolfgang Seel in german but the most complete book about the development, testing and adoption of the G11 and there is even a book in '''english''' that contains correct information about the G11 it is the 50th anniversary book from HK "HK History Book" you can find that in their online shop) --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)
	:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)		:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08\|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)
			::I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in [[Demolition Man]] and the G11K2 in [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --[[User:DAN11\|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11\|talk]]) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)