Talk:Franchi SPAS-12 - Revision history

Nanomat: /* FIE Corp VS American Arms Inc.??? */

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FIE Corp VS American Arms Inc.???

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	:Thats basically what it means, yeah. FIE Corp imported the SPAS-12 with folding stocks before they got blocked by the ATF. One of the stipulations for American Arms importing SPAS-12s was the fixed stock. I highly doubt this means anything since the stock is interchangeable between the two versions, and the author seems to be incorrectly identifying the SPAS-12 variations that appears in those games. --[[User:Fine cuisine\|Fine cuisine]] ([[User talk:Fine cuisine\|talk]]) 11:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)		:Thats basically what it means, yeah. FIE Corp imported the SPAS-12 with folding stocks before they got blocked by the ATF. One of the stipulations for American Arms importing SPAS-12s was the fixed stock. I highly doubt this means anything since the stock is interchangeable between the two versions, and the author seems to be incorrectly identifying the SPAS-12 variations that appears in those games. --[[User:Fine cuisine\|Fine cuisine]] ([[User talk:Fine cuisine\|talk]]) 11:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
	::to clarify, "FIE Corp" and "American Arms" were just different importing companies; these were all made by Franchi. I wouldn't necessarily take an esoteric blog like that as gospel.--[[User:AgentGumby\|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby\|talk]]) 13:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)		::to clarify, "FIE Corp" and "American Arms" were just different importing companies; these were all made by Franchi. I wouldn't necessarily take an esoteric blog like that as gospel.--[[User:AgentGumby\|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby\|talk]]) 13:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::Thanks, so that confirms my suspicion that the blog gave too much credit to importing companies. --[[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 02:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

AgentGumby: /* FIE Corp VS American Arms Inc.??? */

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FIE Corp VS American Arms Inc.???

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	:Thats basically what it means, yeah. FIE Corp imported the SPAS-12 with folding stocks before they got blocked by the ATF. One of the stipulations for American Arms importing SPAS-12s was the fixed stock. I highly doubt this means anything since the stock is interchangeable between the two versions, and the author seems to be incorrectly identifying the SPAS-12 variations that appears in those games. --[[User:Fine cuisine\|Fine cuisine]] ([[User talk:Fine cuisine\|talk]]) 11:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)		:Thats basically what it means, yeah. FIE Corp imported the SPAS-12 with folding stocks before they got blocked by the ATF. One of the stipulations for American Arms importing SPAS-12s was the fixed stock. I highly doubt this means anything since the stock is interchangeable between the two versions, and the author seems to be incorrectly identifying the SPAS-12 variations that appears in those games. --[[User:Fine cuisine\|Fine cuisine]] ([[User talk:Fine cuisine\|talk]]) 11:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
			::to clarify, "FIE Corp" and "American Arms" were just different importing companies; these were all made by Franchi. I wouldn't necessarily take an esoteric blog like that as gospel.--[[User:AgentGumby\|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby\|talk]]) 13:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Fine cuisine: /* FIE Corp VS American Arms Inc.??? */

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FIE Corp VS American Arms Inc.???

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	I can't even comprehend what it was supposed to convey... maybe that SPASes made by one company where fixed stock and the ones by the other were foldable? Could anyone decipher this for me? --[[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 02:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)		I can't even comprehend what it was supposed to convey... maybe that SPASes made by one company where fixed stock and the ones by the other were foldable? Could anyone decipher this for me? --[[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 02:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

			:Thats basically what it means, yeah. FIE Corp imported the SPAS-12 with folding stocks before they got blocked by the ATF. One of the stipulations for American Arms importing SPAS-12s was the fixed stock. I highly doubt this means anything since the stock is interchangeable between the two versions, and the author seems to be incorrectly identifying the SPAS-12 variations that appears in those games. --[[User:Fine cuisine\|Fine cuisine]] ([[User talk:Fine cuisine\|talk]]) 11:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Nanomat: /* FIE Corp VS American Arms Inc.??? */ new section

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FIE Corp VS American Arms Inc.???: new section

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	I feel both of these are probably worth mentioning as reasons why the SPAS-12 was a (at least, relative to its screen presence) commercial failure, but wanted some feedback instead of adding it right away. [[User:Ontariotaku\|Ontariotaku]] ([[User talk:Ontariotaku\|talk]]) 13:02, 24 May 2018 (EDT)		I feel both of these are probably worth mentioning as reasons why the SPAS-12 was a (at least, relative to its screen presence) commercial failure, but wanted some feedback instead of adding it right away. [[User:Ontariotaku\|Ontariotaku]] ([[User talk:Ontariotaku\|talk]]) 13:02, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

			== FIE Corp VS American Arms Inc.??? ==

			I stumbled upon [https://infinitemirai.wordpress.com/2021/06/14/call-of-duty-black-ops-cold-war-part-iii-review-and-reflection-behind-enemy-lines-in-moscow-and-cuba/ this statement]:

			''"For the longest time, I used to wonder why games would portray the SPAS-12 with the distinct railing, and others would not. It turns out that the FIE Corp variant is seen here (which is also used in 007 Nightfire), with its stock folded up, whereas the other version (seen in The Division 2, Half-Life 2 and Agent Under Fire) is the American Arms Inc. fixed-stock version."''

			I can't even comprehend what it was supposed to convey... maybe that SPASes made by one company where fixed stock and the ones by the other were foldable? Could anyone decipher this for me? --[[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 02:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

StanTheMan at 01:59, 18 October 2023

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	==Additional Images==		=Additional Images=
			==Screen-Used==
	[[File:SPAS-12 with no butt hook.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Franchi SPAS-12 with no butt hook and sling - 12 gauge.]]		[[Image:JurassicPark-SPAS12-1-HeritageAuction.jpg\|thumb\|450px\|none\|A screen-used Franchi SPAS-12 (12 gauge) from ''[[Jurassic Park]]''; the weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used SPAS-12s from the film, as it appeared in a [https://entertainment.ha.com/itm/movie-tv-memorabilia/spas-shotgun-prop-from-jurassic-park/a/997049-2531.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 2018 Heritage Auction listing].]]
			==Other Images==
			[[File:SPAS-12 with no butt hook.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Franchi SPAS-12 with no butt hook and sling, folding stock extended - 12 gauge.]]
	[[File:SPAS-12 with folded stock, butt hock and sling.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Franchi SPAS-12 with folded stock, butt hook and sling - 12 gauge.]]		[[File:SPAS-12 with folded stock, butt hock and sling.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Franchi SPAS-12 with folded stock, butt hook and sling - 12 gauge.]]

	==Discussion==		=Discussion=
	is it just me or are we seeing less and less of the Franchi SPAS-12		is it just me or are we seeing less and less of the Franchi SPAS-12
	:Yup, and the AA12 has taken its place. At least the AA12 isn't heavy and useless-[[User:S&Wshooter\|S&Wshooter]] 21:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)		:Yup, and the AA12 has taken its place. At least the AA12 isn't heavy and useless-[[User:S&Wshooter\|S&Wshooter]] 21:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Ominae at 03:34, 25 June 2022

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			==Additional Images==

			[[File:SPAS-12 with no butt hook.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Franchi SPAS-12 with no butt hook and sling - 12 gauge.]]
			[[File:SPAS-12 with folded stock, butt hock and sling.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Franchi SPAS-12 with folded stock, butt hook and sling - 12 gauge.]]

	==Discussion==		==Discussion==
	is it just me or are we seeing less and less of the Franchi SPAS-12		is it just me or are we seeing less and less of the Franchi SPAS-12
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	:He meant as a main infantry individual firearm, don't pick on words.		:He meant as a main infantry individual firearm, don't pick on words.
	::Doesn't matter. [[User:PistolJunkie\|PistolJunkie]] was correct. A shotgun will NEVER be a main infantry weapon anyway. So the initial comment was weird. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)		::Doesn't matter. [[User:PistolJunkie\|PistolJunkie]] was correct. A shotgun will NEVER be a main infantry weapon anyway. So the initial comment was weird. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)



	I have the Franchi SPAS 12 in my armory. It sucks. Seriously. It's hard to rack rounds on pump action and it tends to jam on semi auto action (either LIVE rounds at the range or blanks rounds with a BFA doesn't matter, it is still really finicky). It tried hard to be the best of both worlds and sucks at both. It's heavy, clunky and is hard to use. Why do you see so many times in films it's used ONLY as a pump action shotgun? because the semiauto action sucks and jams. What I dont' understand is why Franchi didn't just make a dedicated pump action shotgun that LOOKED like the SPAS12 (to get around the stupid "Assault weapon bans" in various states in the US), cut down on the weight and make the action smooth and light. Just the bad ass looks alone would have been a selling point. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)		I have the Franchi SPAS 12 in my armory. It sucks. Seriously. It's hard to rack rounds on pump action and it tends to jam on semi auto action (either LIVE rounds at the range or blanks rounds with a BFA doesn't matter, it is still really finicky). It tried hard to be the best of both worlds and sucks at both. It's heavy, clunky and is hard to use. Why do you see so many times in films it's used ONLY as a pump action shotgun? because the semiauto action sucks and jams. What I dont' understand is why Franchi didn't just make a dedicated pump action shotgun that LOOKED like the SPAS12 (to get around the stupid "Assault weapon bans" in various states in the US), cut down on the weight and make the action smooth and light. Just the bad ass looks alone would have been a selling point. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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	Guess I'm the only one on this site who loves the SPAS 12. :( 9 pounds, pfff, that's not much at all, the AA12 is probably heavier and it's bulkier than the SPAS 12 to boot (not that the AA12's bad in any way). did you know that heavier shotguns are much easier to control and maintain while firing than say, 6 to 7 pound shotguns. Well MoviePropMaster2008 I think you got a lemon SPAS 12 (I bet you can find a lemon Benelli M1014 (my next favorite shotgun) and it's one of the most reliable shotguns in the world!), I've heard from other sources that the SPAS 12 is very reliable, it's possible you have a civilian version (Sporting Purpose Automatic Shotgun), which is probably inferior to the Military version (Special Purpose Automatic Shotgun). I love the SPAS 12 and all it's heavy bulkiness, and you won't make me think differently. :) I not saying its the best shotgun ever but its diffidently a great one. Try talking to actual SPAS 12 users and see what you get. Oh by the way, Protecta/Striker suck because they take way to long to reload and I've heard the USAS-12 isn't very reliable. What's a HS Model 10A? The SPAS 12 being finicky, 1911 pistols can also be finicky but people still love them and carry them into combat.		Guess I'm the only one on this site who loves the SPAS 12. :( 9 pounds, pfff, that's not much at all, the AA12 is probably heavier and it's bulkier than the SPAS 12 to boot (not that the AA12's bad in any way). did you know that heavier shotguns are much easier to control and maintain while firing than say, 6 to 7 pound shotguns. Well MoviePropMaster2008 I think you got a lemon SPAS 12 (I bet you can find a lemon Benelli M1014 (my next favorite shotgun) and it's one of the most reliable shotguns in the world!), I've heard from other sources that the SPAS 12 is very reliable, it's possible you have a civilian version (Sporting Purpose Automatic Shotgun), which is probably inferior to the Military version (Special Purpose Automatic Shotgun). I love the SPAS 12 and all it's heavy bulkiness, and you won't make me think differently. :) I not saying its the best shotgun ever but its diffidently a great one. Try talking to actual SPAS 12 users and see what you get. Oh by the way, Protecta/Striker suck because they take way to long to reload and I've heard the USAS-12 isn't very reliable. What's a HS Model 10A? The SPAS 12 being finicky, 1911 pistols can also be finicky but people still love them and carry them into combat.

	::Wait a minute. ''' DO YOU OWN ONE?''' If you don't then you don't hold much sway over those who actually own the shotgun. Also, you asked what an HS10A was. It stands for High Standard Model 10A, which was one of the FIRST bullpup auto shotguns in production. But I wait to see if you own one, and whether or not it is a civilian one or a military one. And also, identify yourself when you post :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]]		::Wait a minute. ''' DO YOU OWN ONE?''' If you don't then you don't hold much sway over those who actually own the shotgun. Also, you asked what an HS10A was. It stands for High Standard Model 10A, which was one of the FIRST bullpup auto shotguns in production. But I wait to see if you own one, and whether or not it is a civilian one or a military one. And also, identify yourself when you post :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]]http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:HIghStandardM10Shotgun.jpg
	~~[[Image~~:HIghStandardM10Shotgun.jpg~~\|thumb\|none\|400px\|High Standard Model 10A shotgun - 12 gauge~~. ~~The Model 10A had the flashlight integral to the body of the shotgun and is the rarer of the two models~~.]]		http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:High_standard_10_SHG.jpg
	~~[[Image~~:~~High standard 10 SHG~~.jpg~~\|thumb\|400px\|none\|High Standard Model 10B shotgun - 12 gauge. The Model 10B had a removeable carry handle and bar to attach both a handle and a flashlight.]]~~
	:That's cool, but it doesn't look as "scary or bad ass" as the SPAS 12 though. Unfortunately, no, I do not own a one (god I wish I did, I'm too poor), :( but don't count me out. :\| Sorry, I just know a lot of stuff about the SPAS 12. My sources are reliable and non-biased. I still think you just got a bad SPAS 12 though. Fussing at me about the liking the SPAS 12, is like fussing at someone for liking the Browning HP or the Colt 1911 80s series instead of the Beretta 92FS or the HK USP45 (The former is technically better than the latter).		:That's cool, but it doesn't look as "scary or bad ass" as the SPAS 12 though. Unfortunately, no, I do not own a one (god I wish I did, I'm too poor), :( but don't count me out. :\| Sorry, I just know a lot of stuff about the SPAS 12. My sources are reliable and non-biased. I still think you just got a bad SPAS 12 though. Fussing at me about the liking the SPAS 12, is like fussing at someone for liking the Browning HP or the Colt 1911 80s series instead of the Beretta 92FS or the HK USP45 (The former is technically better than the latter).
	::I own two Franchi SPAS-12s and have handled SIX. Fussing at you because you like the gun? No. Fussing at you because you're arguing like you know what you're talking about. Yes. It is amazing that you have such a strong opinion of a firearm you don't own and possibly have never even touched or fired. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)		::I own two Franchi SPAS-12s and have handled SIX. Fussing at you because you like the gun? No. Fussing at you because you're arguing like you know what you're talking about. Yes. It is amazing that you have such a strong opinion of a firearm you don't own and possibly have never even touched or fired. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
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	I have to commend [[User:Phoenixent\|Mr. Steve Karnes]] for actually getting it to fire self-load/semiauto in [[Virtuosity]], it was very impressive. That said, there is only one other instance AT ALL that I can think of where a SPAS actually fires semiauto (or appears to, at least), and that is in the fourth Halloween film (The Revenge of Micheal Myers). I wonder if that was another special blank modification of some kind or something. Of course it could just be editing trickery, I'm not sure really. Doesn't seem to be though. In any case, it is the real thing in Virtuosity and that is just very neat and rare and, though it's noted on the Virtuosity page(s) it still deserves a special mention. I meant to say this sooner but oh well, here ya go. Anyway, Excellent job sir. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] 15:26, 24 July 2011 (CDT)		I have to commend [[User:Phoenixent\|Mr. Steve Karnes]] for actually getting it to fire self-load/semiauto in [[Virtuosity]], it was very impressive. That said, there is only one other instance AT ALL that I can think of where a SPAS actually fires semiauto (or appears to, at least), and that is in the fourth Halloween film (The Revenge of Micheal Myers). I wonder if that was another special blank modification of some kind or something. Of course it could just be editing trickery, I'm not sure really. Doesn't seem to be though. In any case, it is the real thing in Virtuosity and that is just very neat and rare and, though it's noted on the Virtuosity page(s) it still deserves a special mention. I meant to say this sooner but oh well, here ya go. Anyway, Excellent job sir. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] 15:26, 24 July 2011 (CDT)
	:In ''[[The Wraith]]'' it also appears to be fired in semi-auto also. While a good portion of the scene is quick cuts, there are several shots of him firing it multiple times without going pump action Another thing that interesting is SPAS-12 used in the film, it has the overfolding stock and a full wood stock. --[[User:Predator20\|Predator20]] 16:51, 24 July 2011 (CDT)		:In ''[[The Wraith]]'' it also appears to be fired in semi-auto also. While a good portion of the scene is quick cuts, there are several shots of him firing it multiple times without going pump action Another thing that interesting is SPAS-12 used in the film, it has the overfolding stock and a full wood stock. --[[User:Predator20\|Predator20]] 16:51, 24 July 2011 (CDT)
	[[File:TW-SPAS12-1.jpg~~\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Good shot of the wood stock and folding stock~~.]]		http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:TW-SPAS12-1.jpg
	[[File:TW-SPAS12-2.jpg~~\|thumb\|none\|500px\|The LED lighting added.]]~~		http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:TW-SPAS12-2.jpg

	:I just saw a JCVD movie where a thug used it in semi-auto. Gonna screencap it now. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:35, 4 August 2011 (CDT)		:I just saw a JCVD movie where a thug used it in semi-auto. Gonna screencap it now. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut\|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:35, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

Ontariotaku: /* Hindrances to adoption: The unsafe safety and shotgun doctrine */

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Hindrances to adoption: The unsafe safety and shotgun doctrine

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	== Hindrances to adoption: The unsafe safety and shotgun doctrine ==		== Hindrances to adoption: The unsafe safety and shotgun doctrine ==

	I notice that the article mentions ~~the "fragile safety mechanism that is prone to breaking and/or not working half the time", but this doesn't capture the fact~~ that the original lever safeties are in fact [https://youtu.be/LlaOlqBC-yA?t=1m12s so flawed that they can cause the gun to fire when taken off of safe, without touching the trigger!] I don't know of any sources offhand that cite this being one reason for poor adoption, but I feel it's probably ~~worth mentioning~~.		I notice that the article mentions that the original lever safeties are in fact [https://youtu.be/LlaOlqBC-yA?t=1m12s so flawed that they can cause the gun to fire when taken off of safe, without touching the trigger!] I don't know of any sources offhand that cite this being one reason for poor adoption, but I feel it's probably one reason.

	Also, I'm under the impression that its poor adoption has been due to the fact that a dual-purpose shotgun is basically solving a problem that law enforcement bodies don't have under modern shotgun doctrines. I can't find a good source for this (Hopefully someone here has one or can correct me if I'm wrong!), but if I understand correctly most doctrines ensure that less-lethal rounds are only loaded into specifically-designated (and often painted) shotguns, and NEVER into shotguns loaded with lethal rounds. This is done because having a situation where a police officer can be unsure about whether less-lethal or lethal rounds are loaded in his shotgun is a tragedy waiting to happen.		Also, I'm under the impression that its poor adoption has been due to the fact that a dual-purpose shotgun is basically solving a problem that law enforcement bodies don't have under modern shotgun doctrines. I can't find a good source for this (Hopefully someone here has one or can correct me if I'm wrong!), but if I understand correctly most doctrines ensure that less-lethal rounds are only loaded into specifically-designated (and often painted) shotguns, and NEVER into shotguns loaded with lethal rounds. This is done because having a situation where a police officer can be unsure about whether less-lethal or lethal rounds are loaded in his shotgun is a tragedy waiting to happen.

	I feel both of these are probably worth mentioning as reasons why the SPAS-12 was a (at least, relative to its screen presence) commercial failure, but wanted some feedback instead of adding it right away. [[User:Ontariotaku\|Ontariotaku]] ([[User talk:Ontariotaku\|talk]]) 13:02, 24 May 2018 (EDT)		I feel both of these are probably worth mentioning as reasons why the SPAS-12 was a (at least, relative to its screen presence) commercial failure, but wanted some feedback instead of adding it right away. [[User:Ontariotaku\|Ontariotaku]] ([[User talk:Ontariotaku\|talk]]) 13:02, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

Ontariotaku at 17:02, 24 May 2018

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	:::For the record, I've got my SPAS-12s to fire semi auto, but it's not that reliable. I can always get about 3 shots off before a malfunction. But that's not good enough for most directors ;) Sure I could spend a lot of effort refining it, but most directors just want the pump, primarily for 100% reliability for takes. It is seriously embarrassing to have a 'gun malfunction' of any type be responsible for a re-take on film. You don't know what dirty looks are until you're the one who is costing the production a ton of money for. Now I've been about to appreciate the pressure that's on actors who flub their lines. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 13:52, 10 December 2011 (CST)		:::For the record, I've got my SPAS-12s to fire semi auto, but it's not that reliable. I can always get about 3 shots off before a malfunction. But that's not good enough for most directors ;) Sure I could spend a lot of effort refining it, but most directors just want the pump, primarily for 100% reliability for takes. It is seriously embarrassing to have a 'gun malfunction' of any type be responsible for a re-take on film. You don't know what dirty looks are until you're the one who is costing the production a ton of money for. Now I've been about to appreciate the pressure that's on actors who flub their lines. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 13:52, 10 December 2011 (CST)

			== Hindrances to adoption: The unsafe safety and shotgun doctrine ==

			I notice that the article mentions the "fragile safety mechanism that is prone to breaking and/or not working half the time", but this doesn't capture the fact that the original lever safeties are in fact [https://youtu.be/LlaOlqBC-yA?t=1m12s so flawed that they can cause the gun to fire when taken off of safe, without touching the trigger!] I don't know of any sources offhand that cite this being one reason for poor adoption, but I feel it's probably worth mentioning.

			Also, I'm under the impression that its poor adoption has been due to the fact that a dual-purpose shotgun is basically solving a problem that law enforcement bodies don't have under modern shotgun doctrines. I can't find a good source for this (Hopefully someone here has one or can correct me if I'm wrong!), but if I understand correctly most doctrines ensure that less-lethal rounds are only loaded into specifically-designated (and often painted) shotguns, and NEVER into shotguns loaded with lethal rounds. This is done because having a situation where a police officer can be unsure about whether less-lethal or lethal rounds are loaded in his shotgun is a tragedy waiting to happen.

			I feel both of these are probably worth mentioning as reasons why the SPAS-12 was a (at least, relative to its screen presence) commercial failure, but wanted some feedback instead of adding it right away. [[User:Ontariotaku\|Ontariotaku]] ([[User talk:Ontariotaku\|talk]]) 13:02, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

Ultimate94ninja: /* Additional Variants */ Present on main page

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Additional Variants: Present on main page

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	~~==Additional Variants==~~
	~~[[Image:Spas12_fixed.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Franchi SPAS-12 with fixed stock - 12 Gauge]]~~

	==Discussion==		==Discussion==
	is it just me or are we seeing less and less of the Franchi SPAS-12		is it just me or are we seeing less and less of the Franchi SPAS-12

MoviePropMaster2008: /* Actually firing semiauto on film */

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	::There was definitely some semi-auto fire in Stargate SG1, season 5, episode 19: 'Menace'. Also in the season 3, episode 22: 'Nemesis' was the only example I can ever recall seeing of the folding stock actually being used. [[User:Pravda616\|Pravda616]] 18:54 18/8/11		::There was definitely some semi-auto fire in Stargate SG1, season 5, episode 19: 'Menace'. Also in the season 3, episode 22: 'Nemesis' was the only example I can ever recall seeing of the folding stock actually being used. [[User:Pravda616\|Pravda616]] 18:54 18/8/11

			:::For the record, I've got my SPAS-12s to fire semi auto, but it's not that reliable. I can always get about 3 shots off before a malfunction. But that's not good enough for most directors ;) Sure I could spend a lot of effort refining it, but most directors just want the pump, primarily for 100% reliability for takes. It is seriously embarrassing to have a 'gun malfunction' of any type be responsible for a re-take on film. You don't know what dirty looks are until you're the one who is costing the production a ton of money for. Now I've been about to appreciate the pressure that's on actors who flub their lines. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]] 13:52, 10 December 2011 (CST)

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	:Thats basically what it means, yeah. FIE Corp imported the SPAS-12 with folding stocks before they got blocked by the ATF. One of the stipulations for American Arms importing SPAS-12s was the fixed stock. I highly doubt this means anything since the stock is interchangeable between the two versions, and the author seems to be incorrectly identifying the SPAS-12 variations that appears in those games. --[[User:Fine cuisine\|Fine cuisine]] ([[User talk:Fine cuisine\|talk]]) 11:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)		:Thats basically what it means, yeah. FIE Corp imported the SPAS-12 with folding stocks before they got blocked by the ATF. One of the stipulations for American Arms importing SPAS-12s was the fixed stock. I highly doubt this means anything since the stock is interchangeable between the two versions, and the author seems to be incorrectly identifying the SPAS-12 variations that appears in those games. --[[User:Fine cuisine\|Fine cuisine]] ([[User talk:Fine cuisine\|talk]]) 11:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
	::to clarify, "FIE Corp" and "American Arms" were just different importing companies; these were all made by Franchi. I wouldn't necessarily take an esoteric blog like that as gospel.--[[User:AgentGumby\|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby\|talk]]) 13:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)		::to clarify, "FIE Corp" and "American Arms" were just different importing companies; these were all made by Franchi. I wouldn't necessarily take an esoteric blog like that as gospel.--[[User:AgentGumby\|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby\|talk]]) 13:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::Thanks, so that confirms my suspicion that the blog gave too much credit to importing companies. --[[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 02:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)