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	* Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired. Also, the 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's almost impossible that it was so new that it had never been fired.		* Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired. Also, the 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's almost impossible that it was so new that it had never been fired.

	* How did Crawford swap the guns without anyone noticing, when he had fired four rounds from his own Glock, while Nunally never fired his weapon at the scene? Didn't anyone notice that the Glock recovered at the scene was fully loaded, whereas Nunally's gun (which he never fired) was missing four rounds in the magazine? ~~Or did~~ Crawford swap magazines, not just guns? Or did he take four rounds from Nunally's gun at the hotel, and planned to fire exactly four during the murder?		* How did Crawford swap the guns without anyone noticing, when he had fired four rounds from his own Glock, while Nunally never fired his weapon at the scene? Didn't anyone notice that the Glock recovered at the scene was fully loaded, whereas Nunally's gun (which he never fired) was missing four rounds in the magazine? Did Crawford swap magazines, not just guns? Or did he take four rounds from Nunally's gun at the hotel, and planned to fire exactly four during the murder? (If it's the latter, we're assuming Nunally doesn't notice the reduced weight of four missing rounds on a weapon he's carried on his hip every day for years - also a stretch.)

	* The viewer is expected to believe that a DA who (presumably) knows nothing about guns is the first person to notice that Crawford and Nunally had the exact same weapon. Yet none of the police detectives, including Nunally himself, notice how odd it is that Crawford bought a gun that was identical (same make, model, caliber, and generation) to the service pistol carried by the man who was having an affair with Crawford's wife.		* The viewer is expected to believe that a DA who (presumably) knows nothing about guns is the first person to notice that Crawford and Nunally had the exact same weapon. Yet none of the police detectives, including Nunally himself, notice how odd it is that Crawford bought a gun that was identical (same make, model, caliber, and generation) to the service pistol carried by the man who was having an affair with Crawford's wife.

MT2008: /* Issues associated with the gun and plot twist */

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Issues associated with the gun and plot twist

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	* Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired. Also, the 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's almost impossible that it was so new that it had never been fired.		* Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired. Also, the 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's almost impossible that it was so new that it had never been fired.

	* How did Crawford swap the guns without anyone noticing, when he had fired four rounds from his own Glock, while Nunally never fired his weapon at the scene? Didn't anyone notice that the Glock recovered at the scene was ~~unfired~~, whereas Nunally's gun (which he never fired) was missing four rounds in the magazine? Or did Crawford swap magazines, not just guns?		* How did Crawford swap the guns without anyone noticing, when he had fired four rounds from his own Glock, while Nunally never fired his weapon at the scene? Didn't anyone notice that the Glock recovered at the scene was fully loaded, whereas Nunally's gun (which he never fired) was missing four rounds in the magazine? Or did Crawford swap magazines, not just guns? Or did he take four rounds from Nunally's gun at the hotel, and planned to fire exactly four during the murder?

	* The viewer is expected to believe that a DA who (presumably) knows nothing about guns is the first person to notice that Crawford and Nunally had the exact same weapon. Yet none of the police detectives, including Nunally himself, notice how odd it is that Crawford bought a gun that was identical (same make, model, caliber, and generation) to the service pistol carried by the man who was having an affair with Crawford's wife.		* The viewer is expected to believe that a DA who (presumably) knows nothing about guns is the first person to notice that Crawford and Nunally had the exact same weapon. Yet none of the police detectives, including Nunally himself, notice how odd it is that Crawford bought a gun that was identical (same make, model, caliber, and generation) to the service pistol carried by the man who was having an affair with Crawford's wife.

MT2008: /* Issues associated with the gun and plot twist */

2018-05-12T18:08:58Z

Issues associated with the gun and plot twist

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	I've always found this movie's plot twist, which revolves around the murder weapon, to be kinda ridiculous. Key problems:		I've always found this movie's plot twist, which revolves around the murder weapon, to be kinda ridiculous. Key problems:


	* Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired. Also, the 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's almost impossible that it was so new that it had never been fired.		* Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired. Also, the 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's almost impossible that it was so new that it had never been fired.

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	* Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired.		* Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired. Also, the 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's almost impossible that it was so new that it had never been fired.

	* Related to the ~~above: The~~ 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's ~~highly unlikely~~ that it was so new that it had never been fired.

	* How did Crawford swap the guns without anyone noticing, when he had fired four rounds from his own Glock, while Nunally never fired his weapon at the scene? Didn't anyone notice that the Glock recovered at the scene was unfired, whereas Nunally's gun (which he never fired) was missing four rounds in the magazine? Or did Crawford swap magazines, not just guns?		* How did Crawford swap the guns without anyone noticing, when he had fired four rounds from his own Glock, while Nunally never fired his weapon at the scene? Didn't anyone notice that the Glock recovered at the scene was unfired, whereas Nunally's gun (which he never fired) was missing four rounds in the magazine? Or did Crawford swap magazines, not just guns?

MT2008: /* Issues associated with the gun and plot twist */

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	I've always found this movie's plot twist, which revolves around the murder weapon, to be kinda ridiculous. Key problems:		I've always found this movie's plot twist, which revolves around the murder weapon, to be kinda ridiculous. Key problems:

	* - Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired.

	*~~- Related to the above: The 2nd Generation~~ Glock 21 ~~had~~ been ~~out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford~~'s gun ~~had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it~~, it's ~~highly unlikely~~ that it was ~~so new that it had~~ never ~~been~~ fired.		* Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired.

	* ~~- The viewer is expected~~ to ~~believe that a DA who (presumably) knows nothing about guns is~~ the ~~first person to notice that Crawford and Nunally~~ had ~~the exact same weapon. Yet none~~ of ~~the police detectives~~, ~~including Nunally himself, notice how odd it is~~ that Crawford bought ~~a gun that was identical (same make~~, ~~model, caliber, and generation) to the service pistol carried by the man who was having an affair with Crawford~~'s ~~wife~~.		* Related to the above: The 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's highly unlikely that it was so new that it had never been fired.

	*- Beachum is unable to get ahold of the bullet in Crawford's wife's skull, and thus unable to match it to the murder weapon, until she dies. A .45 ACP round fired a few feet away into the side of somebody's face is probably not going to get stuck in their skull - it's more likely to go straight through and penetrate walls behind them.		* How did Crawford swap the guns without anyone noticing, when he had fired four rounds from his own Glock, while Nunally never fired his weapon at the scene? Didn't anyone notice that the Glock recovered at the scene was unfired, whereas Nunally's gun (which he never fired) was missing four rounds in the magazine? Or did Crawford swap magazines, not just guns?

			* The viewer is expected to believe that a DA who (presumably) knows nothing about guns is the first person to notice that Crawford and Nunally had the exact same weapon. Yet none of the police detectives, including Nunally himself, notice how odd it is that Crawford bought a gun that was identical (same make, model, caliber, and generation) to the service pistol carried by the man who was having an affair with Crawford's wife.

			* Beachum is unable to get ahold of the bullet in Crawford's wife's skull, and thus unable to match it to the murder weapon, until she dies. A .45 ACP round fired a few feet away into the side of somebody's face is probably not going to get stuck in their skull - it's more likely to go straight through and penetrate walls behind them.

	Oh, well, I guess it's still an interesting twist. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008\|talk]]) 14:03, 12 May 2018 (EDT)		Oh, well, I guess it's still an interesting twist. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008\|talk]]) 14:03, 12 May 2018 (EDT)

MT2008: /* Issues associated with the gun and plot twist */

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	I've always found this movie's plot twist, which revolves around the murder weapon, to be kinda ridiculous. Key problems:		I've always found this movie's plot twist, which revolves around the murder weapon, to be kinda ridiculous. Key problems:

	- Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired.		* - Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired.
	- Related to the above: The 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's highly unlikely that it was so new that it had never been fired.
	- The viewer is expected to believe that a DA who (presumably) knows nothing about guns is the first person to notice that Crawford and Nunally had the exact same weapon. Yet none of the police detectives, including Nunally himself, notice how odd it is that Crawford bought a gun that was identical (same make, model, caliber, and generation) to the service pistol carried by the man who was having an affair with Crawford's wife.		*- Related to the above: The 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's highly unlikely that it was so new that it had never been fired.
	- Beachum is unable to get ahold of the bullet in Crawford's wife's skull, and thus unable to match it to the murder weapon, until she dies. A .45 ACP round fired a few feet away into the side of somebody's face is probably not going to get stuck in their skull - it's more likely to go straight through and penetrate walls behind them.
			* - The viewer is expected to believe that a DA who (presumably) knows nothing about guns is the first person to notice that Crawford and Nunally had the exact same weapon. Yet none of the police detectives, including Nunally himself, notice how odd it is that Crawford bought a gun that was identical (same make, model, caliber, and generation) to the service pistol carried by the man who was having an affair with Crawford's wife.

			*- Beachum is unable to get ahold of the bullet in Crawford's wife's skull, and thus unable to match it to the murder weapon, until she dies. A .45 ACP round fired a few feet away into the side of somebody's face is probably not going to get stuck in their skull - it's more likely to go straight through and penetrate walls behind them.

	Oh, well, I guess it's still an interesting twist. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008\|talk]]) 14:03, 12 May 2018 (EDT)		Oh, well, I guess it's still an interesting twist. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008\|talk]]) 14:03, 12 May 2018 (EDT)

MT2008: Removing old, dated information and starting new discussion

2018-05-12T18:03:53Z

Removing old, dated information and starting new discussion

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	Nice, but I must add that THIRD generation Glocks (not second) incorporate slide rails and finger grasping grooves. The only difference between first and second generations Glock pistols was the texture of the grip itself.		== Issues associated with the gun and plot twist ==
	~~:The whole issue behind this is that from the Glock 19 and up, the Glock pistols weren't made~~ with a first generation design, just second and third. This means some choose to label the 2nd Generation models as 1st Generation since technically it is the first of its model's designs and the rail model 3rd generation as a 2nd generation because it is second in line. MT2008 knows his shit, trust me. This whole Generations debate has been going on for a while, but Glock themselves don't designate by Generations, so we are all left to wonder what's truly right. I believe that since from 19 and up there is no 1st generation design, the Generations jump back and the 2nd Gen takes the 1st Gen spot, and the 3rd Gen takes the second Gen spot. As for the ~~Glock 17~~ and ~~18 though, they were sold in three generations, so this argument is moot for them. - [[User:Gunmaster45\|Gunmaster45]]~~

	~~:Actually~~, no, ~~I don~~'~~t know my shit~~ when it ~~comes to the Glock generations~~. I'~~ve been as confused as anybody, especially since I have heard differing accounts from different people over how~~ the ~~"Generations" stuff applies~~. ~~Also~~, ~~I should point out~~ that ~~there are actually three Glock 19 generations~~. The ~~very earliest~~ Glock ~~19s didn~~'~~t have~~ the ~~checkered front straps~~ and ~~backstraps~~, ~~but those are pretty rare (I heard~~ that ~~there are only~~ a ~~few dozen~~ of ~~them~~ in the U.S.). -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]]		{{Spoiler\|MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW!}}

			I've always found this movie's plot twist, which revolves around the murder weapon, to be kinda ridiculous. Key problems:

			- Crawford's Glock 21 is deemed inadmissible as evidence at the trial when it is revealed that it is so new that it has never been fired (because Lt. Nunally's own Glock was the actual murder weapon). Any modern gun gets test-fired right off the assembly line at the factory, ergo, it's impossible that the gun was ''never'' fired.
			- Related to the above: The 2nd Generation Glock 21 had been out of production for almost a decade in 2007, which means that unless Crawford's gun had been someone's safe queen for more than 10 years when he bought it, it's highly unlikely that it was so new that it had never been fired.
			- The viewer is expected to believe that a DA who (presumably) knows nothing about guns is the first person to notice that Crawford and Nunally had the exact same weapon. Yet none of the police detectives, including Nunally himself, notice how odd it is that Crawford bought a gun that was identical (same make, model, caliber, and generation) to the service pistol carried by the man who was having an affair with Crawford's wife.
			- Beachum is unable to get ahold of the bullet in Crawford's wife's skull, and thus unable to match it to the murder weapon, until she dies. A .45 ACP round fired a few feet away into the side of somebody's face is probably not going to get stuck in their skull - it's more likely to go straight through and penetrate walls behind them.

			Oh, well, I guess it's still an interesting twist. -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008\|talk]]) 14:03, 12 May 2018 (EDT)

MT2008 at 15:29, 23 August 2009

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	Nice, but I must add that THIRD generation Glocks (not second) incorporate slide rails and finger grasping grooves. The only difference between first and second generations Glock pistols was the texture of the grip itself.		Nice, but I must add that THIRD generation Glocks (not second) incorporate slide rails and finger grasping grooves. The only difference between first and second generations Glock pistols was the texture of the grip itself.
	:The whole issue behind this is that from the Glock 19 and up, the Glock pistols weren't made with a first generation design, just second and third. This means some choose to label the 2nd Generation models as 1st Generation since technically it is the first of its model's designs and the rail model 3rd generation as a 2nd generation because it is second in line. MT2008 knows his shit, trust me. This whole Generations debate has been going on for a while, but Glock themselves don't designate by Generations, so we are all left to wonder what's truly right. I believe that since from 19 and up there is no 1st generation design, the Generations jump back and the 2nd Gen takes the 1st Gen spot, and the 3rd Gen takes the second Gen spot. As for the Glock 17 and 18 though, they were sold in three generations, so this argument is moot for them. - [[User:Gunmaster45\|Gunmaster45]]		:The whole issue behind this is that from the Glock 19 and up, the Glock pistols weren't made with a first generation design, just second and third. This means some choose to label the 2nd Generation models as 1st Generation since technically it is the first of its model's designs and the rail model 3rd generation as a 2nd generation because it is second in line. MT2008 knows his shit, trust me. This whole Generations debate has been going on for a while, but Glock themselves don't designate by Generations, so we are all left to wonder what's truly right. I believe that since from 19 and up there is no 1st generation design, the Generations jump back and the 2nd Gen takes the 1st Gen spot, and the 3rd Gen takes the second Gen spot. As for the Glock 17 and 18 though, they were sold in three generations, so this argument is moot for them. - [[User:Gunmaster45\|Gunmaster45]]

			:Actually, no, I don't know my shit when it comes to the Glock generations. I've been as confused as anybody, especially since I have heard differing accounts from different people over how the "Generations" stuff applies. Also, I should point out that there are actually three Glock 19 generations. The very earliest Glock 19s didn't have the checkered front straps and backstraps, but those are pretty rare (I heard that there are only a few dozen of them in the U.S.). -[[User:MT2008\|MT2008]]

Gunmaster45 at 09:05, 23 August 2009

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	Nice, but I must add that THIRD generation Glocks (not second) incorporate slide rails and finger grasping grooves. The only difference between first and second generations Glock pistols was the texture of the grip itself.		Nice, but I must add that THIRD generation Glocks (not second) incorporate slide rails and finger grasping grooves. The only difference between first and second generations Glock pistols was the texture of the grip itself.
			:The whole issue behind this is that from the Glock 19 and up, the Glock pistols weren't made with a first generation design, just second and third. This means some choose to label the 2nd Generation models as 1st Generation since technically it is the first of its model's designs and the rail model 3rd generation as a 2nd generation because it is second in line. MT2008 knows his shit, trust me. This whole Generations debate has been going on for a while, but Glock themselves don't designate by Generations, so we are all left to wonder what's truly right. I believe that since from 19 and up there is no 1st generation design, the Generations jump back and the 2nd Gen takes the 1st Gen spot, and the 3rd Gen takes the second Gen spot. As for the Glock 17 and 18 though, they were sold in three generations, so this argument is moot for them. - [[User:Gunmaster45\|Gunmaster45]]

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2009-08-11T01:32:19Z

New page: Nice, but I must add that THIRD generation Glocks (not second) incorporate slide rails and finger grasping grooves. The only difference between first and second generations Glock pistols...

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Nice, but I must add that THIRD generation Glocks (not second) incorporate slide rails and finger grasping grooves. The only difference between first and second generations Glock pistols was the texture of the grip itself.