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H3nry8adger1982: /* Shopkeeper */ new section

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	It has what appears to be a C-More reflex sight the receiver which is too low to be mounted on the carry handle and the barrel is too thick to be A1 profile. Maybe a Colt 933 with a CAR-15 style muzzle brake? [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 22:01, 26 April 2017 (EDT)		It has what appears to be a C-More reflex sight the receiver which is too low to be mounted on the carry handle and the barrel is too thick to be A1 profile. Maybe a Colt 933 with a CAR-15 style muzzle brake? [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 22:01, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
	: I concur, barrel looks a bit fat to me, and I agree entirely about the C-More sight - indeed looks like it's on a removable carry handle upper which would rule out an actual CAR. Certainly have been 933s mocked up as older XM carbines around, ''[[X-Men: First Class]]'' comes to mind. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 01:55, 27 April 2017 (EDT)		: I concur, barrel looks a bit fat to me, and I agree entirely about the C-More sight - indeed looks like it's on a removable carry handle upper which would rule out an actual CAR. Certainly have been 933s mocked up as older XM carbines around, ''[[X-Men: First Class]]'' comes to mind. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 01:55, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

			== Shopkeeper ==

			Feel free to shoot me down on this if I'm off here, but the pic of the Colt Shopkeeper looks closer to a 3-inch Single Action Army to me. Maybe I'm missing a detail, but the size of the cylinder and the position of the trigger don't scream Shopkeeper to me.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982\|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982\|talk]]) 22:45, 16 April 2019 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982

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	== CAR-15 ==		== CAR-15 ==
	It has what appears to be a C-More reflex sight the receiver which is too low to be mounted on the carry handle and the barrel is too thick to be A1 profile. Maybe a Colt 933 with a CAR-15 style muzzle brake? [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 22:01, 26 April 2017 (EDT)		It has what appears to be a C-More reflex sight the receiver which is too low to be mounted on the carry handle and the barrel is too thick to be A1 profile. Maybe a Colt 933 with a CAR-15 style muzzle brake? [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 22:01, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
			: I concur, barrel looks a bit fat to me, and I agree entirely about the C-More sight - indeed looks like it's on a removable carry handle upper which would rule out an actual CAR. Certainly have been 933s mocked up as older XM carbines around, ''[[X-Men: First Class]]'' comes to mind. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 01:55, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

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	Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)		Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)

			== CAR-15 ==
			It has what appears to be a C-More reflex sight the receiver which is too low to be mounted on the carry handle and the barrel is too thick to be A1 profile. Maybe a Colt 933 with a CAR-15 style muzzle brake? [[User:Spartan198\|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198\|talk]]) 22:01, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

Funkychinaman at 18:34, 23 November 2013

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	:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	::::I think that "screen used" prop is actually a fan repro. First off, doing an image search on it brings up that it was made by someobody on RPF called "Sundowner", and secondly the diamond on the frame suggests it is a non-firing Denix replica. Also, just to add that this replica is an 1860 not an 1861, which is what people seem to build these off of further suggesting it is not an 1861 variant. True there is no hole in the frame for the loading rod, but if amateur replica prop makers can fill this in convincingly I assume the gunsmiths for the show can. While searching I also found [http://www.therpf.com/f9/firefly-zoe-s-backup-pistol-10552/] where somebody states "I can tell you for a fact the SU prop is a cut down 1860 Army Colt. I've chatted with the owner and got to hold it", so I still think it is a chopped 1860 rather than a Pocket 1861. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 13:27, 23 November 2013 (EST)		::::I think that "screen used" prop is actually a fan repro. First off, doing an image search on it brings up that it was made by someobody on RPF called "Sundowner", and secondly the diamond on the frame suggests it is a non-firing Denix replica. Also, just to add that this replica is an 1860 not an 1861, which is what people seem to build these off of further suggesting it is not an 1861 variant. True there is no hole in the frame for the loading rod, but if amateur replica prop makers can fill this in convincingly I assume the gunsmiths for the show can. While searching I also found [http://www.therpf.com/f9/firefly-zoe-s-backup-pistol-10552/] where somebody states "I can tell you for a fact the SU prop is a cut down 1860 Army Colt. I've chatted with the owner and got to hold it", so I still think it is a chopped 1860 rather than a Pocket 1861. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 13:27, 23 November 2013 (EST)
			:::::Alright, sure. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 13:34, 23 November 2013 (EST)

	== Final stats ==		== Final stats ==

	Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)		Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Commando552: /* Renington 1858 */

2013-11-23T18:27:43Z

Renington 1858

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	::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)		::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)
			::::I think that "screen used" prop is actually a fan repro. First off, doing an image search on it brings up that it was made by someobody on RPF called "Sundowner", and secondly the diamond on the frame suggests it is a non-firing Denix replica. Also, just to add that this replica is an 1860 not an 1861, which is what people seem to build these off of further suggesting it is not an 1861 variant. True there is no hole in the frame for the loading rod, but if amateur replica prop makers can fill this in convincingly I assume the gunsmiths for the show can. While searching I also found [http://www.therpf.com/f9/firefly-zoe-s-backup-pistol-10552/] where somebody states "I can tell you for a fact the SU prop is a cut down 1860 Army Colt. I've chatted with the owner and got to hold it", so I still think it is a chopped 1860 rather than a Pocket 1861. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 13:27, 23 November 2013 (EST)

	== Final stats ==		== Final stats ==

	Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)		Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Funkychinaman: /* Final stats */ new section

2013-11-19T16:34:46Z

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	::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)		::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)

			== Final stats ==

			Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Funkychinaman at 13:50, 14 November 2013

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	:::::Well, we know one of the HK770s was still in rotation until recently if it showed up in ''Burn Notice''. I can't find it in anything made before 2002 either. The AT380 from ''The One'' showed up in "Trash," but the HK770 wasn't in that film either. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:52, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:::::Well, we know one of the HK770s was still in rotation until recently if it showed up in ''Burn Notice''. I can't find it in anything made before 2002 either. The AT380 from ''The One'' showed up in "Trash," but the HK770 wasn't in that film either. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:52, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	::::::As for the Winchester, I don't think it's propped up. You can see Jayne sitting in one of the shots, and the window sill goes up over waist level. Since his knees appear to be bent at a right angle, you figure that he's about 15-18 inches off the ground. (Then again, I suppose his feet could be propped up as well.) --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:56, 13 November 2013 (EST)		::::::As for the Winchester, I don't think it's propped up. You can see Jayne sitting in one of the shots, and the window sill goes up over waist level. Since his knees appear to be bent at a right angle, you figure that he's about 15-18 inches off the ground. (Then again, I suppose his feet could be propped up as well.) --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:56, 13 November 2013 (EST)
			:As for the shotgun, it looks like the same gun showed up in ''[[V.I.P.]]'' and ''[[Chuck - Season 4]]''. It's listed as a Winchester 1200, however. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 08:50, 14 November 2013 (EST)

	==Renington 1858==		==Renington 1858==

Funkychinaman at 03:33, 14 November 2013

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	:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)		::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)
			:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)

Commando552: /* Renington 1858 */

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	That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. [[User:Mark in tx\|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx\|talk]]) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)		That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. [[User:Mark in tx\|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx\|talk]]) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)
			::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)

Funkychinaman at 23:57, 13 November 2013

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	::::I think it might be that the Winchester is actually sitting on a box or something which is throwing off my perception of the length, as I think they may have wanted it a bit higher as he picks it up and puts it down so would need to be properly in frame. When Jayne picks up the Winchester I can't make out any sort of mag well, only the folded bipod although I am only watching it one TV so can't do any kind of brightness/contrast tweaking to get a better view. Speaking of the Winchester, I noticed that it has rifle sights and coupled with the fact that he barrel is longer than the mag tube I think it is probably a [http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/historic-detail.asp?family=012C&offset=12&mid=512100 Camp Defender] variant specifically. It seems odd that the custom HK770 actually reappears in anything to me, as I seem to remember hearing that all of the weapons used in firefly were privately sold off so they wouldn't be in the hands of a prop company any more, but might be getting that wrong as I can't find anything from searching about that. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 18:39, 13 November 2013 (EST)		::::I think it might be that the Winchester is actually sitting on a box or something which is throwing off my perception of the length, as I think they may have wanted it a bit higher as he picks it up and puts it down so would need to be properly in frame. When Jayne picks up the Winchester I can't make out any sort of mag well, only the folded bipod although I am only watching it one TV so can't do any kind of brightness/contrast tweaking to get a better view. Speaking of the Winchester, I noticed that it has rifle sights and coupled with the fact that he barrel is longer than the mag tube I think it is probably a [http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/historic-detail.asp?family=012C&offset=12&mid=512100 Camp Defender] variant specifically. It seems odd that the custom HK770 actually reappears in anything to me, as I seem to remember hearing that all of the weapons used in firefly were privately sold off so they wouldn't be in the hands of a prop company any more, but might be getting that wrong as I can't find anything from searching about that. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 18:39, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	:::::Well, we know one of the HK770s was still in rotation until recently if it showed up in ''Burn Notice''. I can't find it in anything made before 2002 either. The AT380 from ''The One'' showed up in "Trash," but the HK770 wasn't in that film either. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:52, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:::::Well, we know one of the HK770s was still in rotation until recently if it showed up in ''Burn Notice''. I can't find it in anything made before 2002 either. The AT380 from ''The One'' showed up in "Trash," but the HK770 wasn't in that film either. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:52, 13 November 2013 (EST)
			::::::As for the Winchester, I don't think it's propped up. You can see Jayne sitting in one of the shots, and the window sill goes up over waist level. Since his knees appear to be bent at a right angle, you figure that he's about 15-18 inches off the ground. (Then again, I suppose his feet could be propped up as well.) --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:56, 13 November 2013 (EST)

	==Renington 1858==		==Renington 1858==
	That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. [[User:Mark in tx\|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx\|talk]]) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)		That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. [[User:Mark in tx\|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx\|talk]]) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)

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	:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	::::I think that "screen used" prop is actually a fan repro. First off, doing an image search on it brings up that it was made by someobody on RPF called "Sundowner", and secondly the diamond on the frame suggests it is a non-firing Denix replica. Also, just to add that this replica is an 1860 not an 1861, which is what people seem to build these off of further suggesting it is not an 1861 variant. True there is no hole in the frame for the loading rod, but if amateur replica prop makers can fill this in convincingly I assume the gunsmiths for the show can. While searching I also found [http://www.therpf.com/f9/firefly-zoe-s-backup-pistol-10552/] where somebody states "I can tell you for a fact the SU prop is a cut down 1860 Army Colt. I've chatted with the owner and got to hold it", so I still think it is a chopped 1860 rather than a Pocket 1861. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 13:27, 23 November 2013 (EST)		::::I think that "screen used" prop is actually a fan repro. First off, doing an image search on it brings up that it was made by someobody on RPF called "Sundowner", and secondly the diamond on the frame suggests it is a non-firing Denix replica. Also, just to add that this replica is an 1860 not an 1861, which is what people seem to build these off of further suggesting it is not an 1861 variant. True there is no hole in the frame for the loading rod, but if amateur replica prop makers can fill this in convincingly I assume the gunsmiths for the show can. While searching I also found [http://www.therpf.com/f9/firefly-zoe-s-backup-pistol-10552/] where somebody states "I can tell you for a fact the SU prop is a cut down 1860 Army Colt. I've chatted with the owner and got to hold it", so I still think it is a chopped 1860 rather than a Pocket 1861. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 13:27, 23 November 2013 (EST)
			:::::Alright, sure. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 13:34, 23 November 2013 (EST)

	== Final stats ==		== Final stats ==

	Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)		Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)

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	::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)		::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)
			::::I think that "screen used" prop is actually a fan repro. First off, doing an image search on it brings up that it was made by someobody on RPF called "Sundowner", and secondly the diamond on the frame suggests it is a non-firing Denix replica. Also, just to add that this replica is an 1860 not an 1861, which is what people seem to build these off of further suggesting it is not an 1861 variant. True there is no hole in the frame for the loading rod, but if amateur replica prop makers can fill this in convincingly I assume the gunsmiths for the show can. While searching I also found [http://www.therpf.com/f9/firefly-zoe-s-backup-pistol-10552/] where somebody states "I can tell you for a fact the SU prop is a cut down 1860 Army Colt. I've chatted with the owner and got to hold it", so I still think it is a chopped 1860 rather than a Pocket 1861. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 13:27, 23 November 2013 (EST)

	== Final stats ==		== Final stats ==

	Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)		Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)

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	:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)		::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)
			:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)

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	That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. [[User:Mark in tx\|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx\|talk]]) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)		That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. [[User:Mark in tx\|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx\|talk]]) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)
			::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)

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	::::I think it might be that the Winchester is actually sitting on a box or something which is throwing off my perception of the length, as I think they may have wanted it a bit higher as he picks it up and puts it down so would need to be properly in frame. When Jayne picks up the Winchester I can't make out any sort of mag well, only the folded bipod although I am only watching it one TV so can't do any kind of brightness/contrast tweaking to get a better view. Speaking of the Winchester, I noticed that it has rifle sights and coupled with the fact that he barrel is longer than the mag tube I think it is probably a [http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/historic-detail.asp?family=012C&offset=12&mid=512100 Camp Defender] variant specifically. It seems odd that the custom HK770 actually reappears in anything to me, as I seem to remember hearing that all of the weapons used in firefly were privately sold off so they wouldn't be in the hands of a prop company any more, but might be getting that wrong as I can't find anything from searching about that. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 18:39, 13 November 2013 (EST)		::::I think it might be that the Winchester is actually sitting on a box or something which is throwing off my perception of the length, as I think they may have wanted it a bit higher as he picks it up and puts it down so would need to be properly in frame. When Jayne picks up the Winchester I can't make out any sort of mag well, only the folded bipod although I am only watching it one TV so can't do any kind of brightness/contrast tweaking to get a better view. Speaking of the Winchester, I noticed that it has rifle sights and coupled with the fact that he barrel is longer than the mag tube I think it is probably a [http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/historic-detail.asp?family=012C&offset=12&mid=512100 Camp Defender] variant specifically. It seems odd that the custom HK770 actually reappears in anything to me, as I seem to remember hearing that all of the weapons used in firefly were privately sold off so they wouldn't be in the hands of a prop company any more, but might be getting that wrong as I can't find anything from searching about that. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 18:39, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	:::::Well, we know one of the HK770s was still in rotation until recently if it showed up in ''Burn Notice''. I can't find it in anything made before 2002 either. The AT380 from ''The One'' showed up in "Trash," but the HK770 wasn't in that film either. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:52, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:::::Well, we know one of the HK770s was still in rotation until recently if it showed up in ''Burn Notice''. I can't find it in anything made before 2002 either. The AT380 from ''The One'' showed up in "Trash," but the HK770 wasn't in that film either. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:52, 13 November 2013 (EST)
			::::::As for the Winchester, I don't think it's propped up. You can see Jayne sitting in one of the shots, and the window sill goes up over waist level. Since his knees appear to be bent at a right angle, you figure that he's about 15-18 inches off the ground. (Then again, I suppose his feet could be propped up as well.) --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 18:56, 13 November 2013 (EST)

	==Renington 1858==		==Renington 1858==
	That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. [[User:Mark in tx\|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx\|talk]]) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)		That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. [[User:Mark in tx\|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx\|talk]]) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)
	:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)		:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)