Talk:Firearms: Source - Revision history

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2022-08-12T00:23:21Z

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	Just gonna say, the progress on my FA:S draft has completely stalled due to a combination of real life pressures and the fact that the game crashes once every 5 minutes on me. I have no idea when I will finish the thing. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 23:50, 12 October 2020 (EDT)		Just gonna say, the progress on my FA:S draft has completely stalled due to a combination of real life pressures and the fact that the game crashes once every 5 minutes on me. I have no idea when I will finish the thing. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 23:50, 12 October 2020 (EDT)


			Update: I have published my incomplete draft on the page. I have a few additional comments regarding the game and the guns in it:
			* The game is notable for having some of the most realistic reload animations for the SKS; there are a total of 14 reload animations, 7 basic animations and 7 "fast" reload animation with a perk. Of the 7 basic animations, there are three sets of animations, each accounting for one type of magazine the SKS is equipped with:
			**3 animations for 10-round magazine (non-empty, 1-round chambered, and fully empty)
			*** In the non-empty animations, the operator dumps the entire magazine before reloading (since the SKS is only reloaded with 10-round stripper clips, and the bolt doesn't hold open unless the gun is empty).
			**2 animations for 20-round magazine (topping up the gun with 10 rounds, and reloading from fully empty)
			*** When topping up the weapon, the operator grips the gun in specific ways to hold open the bolt (with their hands) while inserting the 10-round clip.
			*** I'm not sure if there are 1-round chambered reload animations for the 20-round mag.
			**2 animations for 30-round detachable magazine (non-empty, empty)
			*** When reloading from non-empty, the operator has to manually pull back the bolt (as the magazine can't be removed otherwise), ejecting the chambered round in the process.
			** The chambering is fully tracked during all of these reloads; this means that the 30-round SKS can never go 30+1 (by reloading again after reloading from empty), since to remove the magazine necessitates manually pulling back the bolt and ejecting the chambered round.
			* I think a few of the guns from earlier versions of the game (which this page was previously screencapped using) were cut in the latest verion of the game. Just in case, I archived the previous version of the page in a separate archive page linked at the top of this talk page.

			--[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 20:23, 11 August 2022 (EDT)

Wuzh: /* Knives */

2022-08-12T00:12:06Z

Knives

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			=Archive=
			* [[Talk:Firearms: Source/Archive]]

	=Knives=		=Knives=

Wuzh: /* Posting this for archival's sake */

2020-10-13T03:50:58Z

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	I just want to say that [https://youtu.be/CKbL9Rh-9k4 AlphaLeader772] has a really comprehensive recording of all the weapon animations in the last few versions of Firearms: Source, including many animations that were not properly implemented into these last few versions but still exist in the game files. My screenshotting will always leave out some of the animation details, and my documentation will always be somewhat flawed (I've been feeling somewhat stressful recently, and that makes it more likely for me to leave out or misread weapon details); I suggest that anyone wanting to check out all the weapon details in FA:S should watch AlphaLeader772's video. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (EDT)		I just want to say that [https://youtu.be/CKbL9Rh-9k4 AlphaLeader772] has a really comprehensive recording of all the weapon animations in the last few versions of Firearms: Source, including many animations that were not properly implemented into these last few versions but still exist in the game files. My screenshotting will always leave out some of the animation details, and my documentation will always be somewhat flawed (I've been feeling somewhat stressful recently, and that makes it more likely for me to leave out or misread weapon details); I suggest that anyone wanting to check out all the weapon details in FA:S should watch AlphaLeader772's video. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

	Just gonna say, the progress on my FA:S draft has completely stalled due to a combination of real life pressures and the fact that the game crashes every 5 minutes on me. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 23:50, 12 October 2020 (EDT)		Just gonna say, the progress on my FA:S draft has completely stalled due to a combination of real life pressures and the fact that the game crashes once every 5 minutes on me. I have no idea when I will finish the thing. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 23:50, 12 October 2020 (EDT)

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	I just want to say that [https://youtu.be/CKbL9Rh-9k4 AlphaLeader772] has a really comprehensive recording of all the weapon animations in the last few versions of Firearms: Source, including many animations that were not properly implemented into these last few versions but still exist in the game files. My screenshotting will always leave out some of the animation details, and my documentation will always be somewhat flawed (I've been feeling somewhat stressful recently, and that makes it more likely for me to leave out or misread weapon details); I suggest that anyone wanting to check out all the weapon details in FA:S should watch AlphaLeader772's video. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (EDT)		I just want to say that [https://youtu.be/CKbL9Rh-9k4 AlphaLeader772] has a really comprehensive recording of all the weapon animations in the last few versions of Firearms: Source, including many animations that were not properly implemented into these last few versions but still exist in the game files. My screenshotting will always leave out some of the animation details, and my documentation will always be somewhat flawed (I've been feeling somewhat stressful recently, and that makes it more likely for me to leave out or misread weapon details); I suggest that anyone wanting to check out all the weapon details in FA:S should watch AlphaLeader772's video. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

			Just gonna say, the progress on my FA:S draft has completely stalled due to a combination of real life pressures and the fact that the game crashes every 5 minutes on me. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 23:50, 12 October 2020 (EDT)

Wuzh: /* Posting this for archival's sake */

2020-06-28T17:22:11Z

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	Even though the mod is dead, many of FA:S's weapons live on through Gmod SWEPs, so I guess there's still some connection to history we have today to a dead game. When I do my rework, I think it might be worth it to archive the page as it currently stands (documenting what I presume is the 1.0f release of FA:S), on the talk page maybe, so that we can preserve a little more knowledge about a dead and forgotten game. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 06:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)		Even though the mod is dead, many of FA:S's weapons live on through Gmod SWEPs, so I guess there's still some connection to history we have today to a dead game. When I do my rework, I think it might be worth it to archive the page as it currently stands (documenting what I presume is the 1.0f release of FA:S), on the talk page maybe, so that we can preserve a little more knowledge about a dead and forgotten game. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 06:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

	I just want to say that [https://youtu.be/CKbL9Rh-9k4 AlphaLeader772] has a really comprehensive recording of all the weapon animations in the last few versions of Firearms: Source, including many animations that were not properly implemented into these last few versions but still exist in the game files. My screenshotting will always leave out some of the animation details, and my documentation will always be somewhat flawed (I've been feeling somewhat stressful recently, and that makes it ~~possible~~ for me to leave out or misread details); I suggest that anyone wanting to check out all the weapon details in FA:S should watch AlphaLeader772's video. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (EDT)		I just want to say that [https://youtu.be/CKbL9Rh-9k4 AlphaLeader772] has a really comprehensive recording of all the weapon animations in the last few versions of Firearms: Source, including many animations that were not properly implemented into these last few versions but still exist in the game files. My screenshotting will always leave out some of the animation details, and my documentation will always be somewhat flawed (I've been feeling somewhat stressful recently, and that makes it more likely for me to leave out or misread weapon details); I suggest that anyone wanting to check out all the weapon details in FA:S should watch AlphaLeader772's video. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

Wuzh: /* Posting this for archival's sake */

2020-06-28T17:21:51Z

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	Even though the mod is dead, many of FA:S's weapons live on through Gmod SWEPs, so I guess there's still some connection to history we have today to a dead game. When I do my rework, I think it might be worth it to archive the page as it currently stands (documenting what I presume is the 1.0f release of FA:S), on the talk page maybe, so that we can preserve a little more knowledge about a dead and forgotten game. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 06:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)		Even though the mod is dead, many of FA:S's weapons live on through Gmod SWEPs, so I guess there's still some connection to history we have today to a dead game. When I do my rework, I think it might be worth it to archive the page as it currently stands (documenting what I presume is the 1.0f release of FA:S), on the talk page maybe, so that we can preserve a little more knowledge about a dead and forgotten game. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 06:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

	I just want to say that [https://youtu.be/CKbL9Rh-9k4 AlphaLeader772] has a really comprehensive recording of all the weapon animations in the last few versions of Firearms: Source, including many animations that were not properly implemented into these last few versions but still exist in the game files. My screenshotting will always leave out some of the animation details, and my documentation will always be somewhat flawed; I suggest that anyone wanting to check out all the weapon details in FA:S should watch AlphaLeader772's video. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (EDT)		I just want to say that [https://youtu.be/CKbL9Rh-9k4 AlphaLeader772] has a really comprehensive recording of all the weapon animations in the last few versions of Firearms: Source, including many animations that were not properly implemented into these last few versions but still exist in the game files. My screenshotting will always leave out some of the animation details, and my documentation will always be somewhat flawed (I've been feeling somewhat stressful recently, and that makes it possible for me to leave out or misread details); I suggest that anyone wanting to check out all the weapon details in FA:S should watch AlphaLeader772's video. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

Wuzh: /* Posting this for archival's sake */

2020-06-28T17:20:16Z

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	Even though the mod is dead, many of FA:S's weapons live on through Gmod SWEPs, so I guess there's still some connection to history we have today to a dead game. When I do my rework, I think it might be worth it to archive the page as it currently stands (documenting what I presume is the 1.0f release of FA:S), on the talk page maybe, so that we can preserve a little more knowledge about a dead and forgotten game. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 06:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)		Even though the mod is dead, many of FA:S's weapons live on through Gmod SWEPs, so I guess there's still some connection to history we have today to a dead game. When I do my rework, I think it might be worth it to archive the page as it currently stands (documenting what I presume is the 1.0f release of FA:S), on the talk page maybe, so that we can preserve a little more knowledge about a dead and forgotten game. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 06:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

			I just want to say that [https://youtu.be/CKbL9Rh-9k4 AlphaLeader772] has a really comprehensive recording of all the weapon animations in the last few versions of Firearms: Source, including many animations that were not properly implemented into these last few versions but still exist in the game files. My screenshotting will always leave out some of the animation details, and my documentation will always be somewhat flawed; I suggest that anyone wanting to check out all the weapon details in FA:S should watch AlphaLeader772's video. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

Wuzh: /* Knives */

2020-06-14T06:07:18Z

Knives

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	==Kizlyar DV-2==		==Kizlyar DV-2==
			An ordinary combat knife that is issued to every player by default, in case he or she does not buy the Machete. Has two types of attack: slashing or stabbing. Save it for unaware snipers. Named "DV-2".

	[[Image:DV-2-knife.jpg‎‎\|300px\|thumb\|none\|Kizlyar Knives Dalnya-Vostorchny Spetsnaz (DV-2) combat knife]]		[[Image:DV-2-knife.jpg‎‎\|300px\|thumb\|none\|Kizlyar Knives Dalnya-Vostorchny Spetsnaz (DV-2) combat knife]]

	An ordinary combat knife that is issued to every player by default, in case he or she does not buy the Machete. Has two types of attack: slashing or stabbing. Save it for unaware snipers. Named "DV-2".

	[[Image:Firearms-source-DV-2.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Best shot I could get of the DV-2 knife in ''Firearms: Source'', sorry.]]		[[Image:Firearms-source-DV-2.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Best shot I could get of the DV-2 knife in ''Firearms: Source'', sorry.]]

	==Gerber Gator==		==Gerber Gator==
			The website incorrectly lists this as a Becker Patrol (as it is currently outdated), but the "Machete" is in fact a Gerber Gator. It can be optionally bought for 6 credits, replacing then the default KV-2 knife. Its slashes are more powerful, but in a game named "Firearms" there usually aren't (understandably) many opportunities to engage in hand-to-hand combat.

	[[Image:Gerber-Gator-Machete.jpg‎‎\|300px\|thumb\|none\|Gerber Gator Machete]]		[[Image:Gerber-Gator-Machete.jpg‎‎\|300px\|thumb\|none\|Gerber Gator Machete]]

	The website incorrectly lists this as a Becker Patrol (as it is currently outdated), but the "Machete" is in fact a Gerber Gator. It can be optionally bought for 6 credits, replacing then the default KV-2 knife. Its slashes are more powerful, but in a game named "Firearms" there usually aren't (understandably) many opportunities to engage in hand-to-hand combat.

	[[Image:Firearms-source-Machete.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Player wielding a Gerber Gator machete in ''Firearms: Source''. The Gerber logo can be glimpsed in the blade. A Claymore mine lies in the background,]]		[[Image:Firearms-source-Machete.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Player wielding a Gerber Gator machete in ''Firearms: Source''. The Gerber logo can be glimpsed in the blade. A Claymore mine lies in the background,]]

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	An ordinary combat knife that is issued to every player by default, in case he or she does not buy the Machete. Has two types of attack: slashing or stabbing. Save it for unaware snipers. Named "DV-2".		An ordinary combat knife that is issued to every player by default, in case he or she does not buy the Machete. Has two types of attack: slashing or stabbing. Save it for unaware snipers. Named "DV-2".

	[[Image:Firearms-source-DV-2.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Best shot I could get of the DV-2 knife in ~~'''~~''Firearms: Source~~'''~~'', sorry.]]		[[Image:Firearms-source-DV-2.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Best shot I could get of the DV-2 knife in ''Firearms: Source'', sorry.]]

	==Gerber Gator==		==Gerber Gator==
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	The website incorrectly lists this as a Becker Patrol (as it is currently outdated), but the "Machete" is in fact a Gerber Gator. It can be optionally bought for 6 credits, replacing then the default KV-2 knife. Its slashes are more powerful, but in a game named "Firearms" there usually aren't (understandably) many opportunities to engage in hand-to-hand combat.		The website incorrectly lists this as a Becker Patrol (as it is currently outdated), but the "Machete" is in fact a Gerber Gator. It can be optionally bought for 6 credits, replacing then the default KV-2 knife. Its slashes are more powerful, but in a game named "Firearms" there usually aren't (understandably) many opportunities to engage in hand-to-hand combat.

	[[Image:Firearms-source-Machete.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Player wielding a Gerber Gator machete in ~~'''~~''Firearms: Source~~'''~~''. The Gerber logo can be glimpsed in the blade. A Claymore mine lies in the background,]]		[[Image:Firearms-source-Machete.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Player wielding a Gerber Gator machete in ''Firearms: Source''. The Gerber logo can be glimpsed in the blade. A Claymore mine lies in the background,]]

	=Miscellaneous=		=Miscellaneous=
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	Externally and in behaviour, this looks like a common smoke grenade that lets you mark targets to direct mortar fire. They don't seem to "disappear" with time, you need to place another in a different location instead. The smoke is red in color to allow you to distinguish between these ones and the smoke grenades. There is no associated credit cost, as one marker is issued to the player on respawn if he or she has chosen the "Level 1 Artillery" skill.		Externally and in behaviour, this looks like a common smoke grenade that lets you mark targets to direct mortar fire. They don't seem to "disappear" with time, you need to place another in a different location instead. The smoke is red in color to allow you to distinguish between these ones and the smoke grenades. There is no associated credit cost, as one marker is issued to the player on respawn if he or she has chosen the "Level 1 Artillery" skill.

	[[Image:Firearms-source-Marker.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Artillery Marker as the player wields it in ~~'''~~''Firearms: Source~~'''~~''.]]		[[Image:Firearms-source-Marker.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Artillery Marker as the player wields it in ''Firearms: Source''.]]

	==Ammo Cache==		==Ammo Cache==
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	One of the highest gunnery skills lets you place this anywhere in the map, to allow teammates replenish their ammo. It's supposed to contain all kinds of ammunition.		One of the highest gunnery skills lets you place this anywhere in the map, to allow teammates replenish their ammo. It's supposed to contain all kinds of ammunition.

	[[Image:Firearms-source-Ammobox.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Ammo cache as the player carries it in ~~'''~~''Firearms: Source~~'''~~''.]]		[[Image:Firearms-source-Ammobox.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Ammo cache as the player carries it in ''Firearms: Source''.]]

	==Medkit==		==Medkit==
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	The "Individual First Aid Kit" appears in the player's inventory after buying the 3-credit "Bandages", or picking some from the field. It allows the player to bandage his or her wounds up to 4 times. This is critical, as a bleeding wound will make you lose some health each second. Also, the skin of the medkit changes between teams.		The "Individual First Aid Kit" appears in the player's inventory after buying the 3-credit "Bandages", or picking some from the field. It allows the player to bandage his or her wounds up to 4 times. This is critical, as a bleeding wound will make you lose some health each second. Also, the skin of the medkit changes between teams.

	[[Image:Firearms-source-Medkit.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Medkit as a Blue Force player carries it in ~~'''~~''Firearms: Source~~'''~~''.]]		[[Image:Firearms-source-Medkit.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Medkit as a Blue Force player carries it in ''Firearms: Source''.]]

	[[Image:Firearms-source-MedkitRed.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Medkit as a Red Force player carries it in ~~'''~~''Firearms: Source~~'''~~''. Both teams buy them to the same contractor!]]		[[Image:Firearms-source-MedkitRed.jpg‎\|600px\|thumb\|none\|none\|Medkit as a Red Force player carries it in ''Firearms: Source''. Both teams buy them to the same contractor!]]

	=Discussion=		=Discussion=

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2020-06-13T10:23:02Z

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	You are right, but strangely I can't remember if the reloading animation could be stopped by pressing the fire button, in order to repel an attack, or if you had to wait until it was fully reloaded. Maybe it's because I always stop and/or hide to reload, as many (awful) things can happen in this mod in a couple of seconds. --[[User:Neme6\|Neme6]] 09:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)		You are right, but strangely I can't remember if the reloading animation could be stopped by pressing the fire button, in order to repel an attack, or if you had to wait until it was fully reloaded. Maybe it's because I always stop and/or hide to reload, as many (awful) things can happen in this mod in a couple of seconds. --[[User:Neme6\|Neme6]] 09:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

			== Posting this for archival's sake ==

			So I'm planning on maybe renovating the page with screenshots from the 2.0.2 version ([https://www.moddb.com/downloads/firearms-source-202-windows-full which can be found here]; hoping that it's actually an official release). FA:S is quite an interesting game that met an unfortunate end; it has a lot of very fine weapon animations, and a whopping ''12'' [https://youtu.be/bWBIdVYNlzI reload animations] for the SKS.

			The mod is 100% dead; the development of FA:S positively fragmented in the later versions (going by [https://www.moddb.com/mods/firearms/news/farewell-wednesday-june-21st-2006 this ModDB post] and [https://reddit.com/r/truegaming/comments/g5ystx/what_happened_to_firearms_source/fo7mbrv/ this answer I got after asking about FA:S on r/truegaming]), and the promised 2.0.3 apparently never came. A player named Thundercracker attempted to release their own unofficial [https://steamcommunity.com/groups/FAS2Surge/discussions/0/487876568240944902/ 2.0.3u] and [https://steamcommunity.com/groups/FAS2Surge/discussions/0/357286663679632604/ 2.0.4u] patches, but apparently he [https://steamcommunity.com/groups/FAS2Surge/discussions/0/133258092238395916/ conflicted] with whatever few devs that are still on the project, and then everything went dark. Nowadays you can't find the game on Steam (though SteamDB has a download link), ModDB (the original [https://www.moddb.com/mods/firearms-source "official" FA:S] apparently was deleted sometime ago, and now only this [https://www.moddb.com/mods/firearmssource "other" FA:S] exists on ModDB), and their official website is dead too.

			Even though the mod is dead, many of FA:S's weapons live on through Gmod SWEPs, so I guess there's still some connection to history we have today to a dead game. When I do my rework, I think it might be worth it to archive the page as it currently stands (documenting what I presume is the 1.0f release of FA:S), on the talk page maybe, so that we can preserve a little more knowledge about a dead and forgotten game. --[[User:Wuzh\|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh\|talk]]) 06:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)