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WaltherWhiteCook: /* Identification of Bolt Action Rifle */

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Identification of Bolt Action Rifle

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	== Identification of Bolt Action Rifle ==		== Identification of Bolt Action Rifle ==

	I found a poster that's used in Fallout 3's Anchorage DLC and it depicts a Chinese soldier with some type of bolt action rifle it appears. Best I can think of is a Type 24 copy rifle, but I'd like to see what others (who are better at identifying bolt actions) think.		I found a poster that's used in Fallout 3's Anchorage DLC and it depicts a Chinese soldier with some type of bolt action rifle it appears. Best I can think of is a shortened Type 24 copy rifle, but I'd like to see what others (who are better at identifying bolt actions) think.
	[[File:FO3 Poster BoltAcRifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|FO3 propaganda poster]]		[[File:FO3 Poster BoltAcRifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|FO3 propaganda poster]]
	[[User:WaltherWhiteCook\|WaltherWhiteCook]] ([[User talk:WaltherWhiteCook\|talk]]) 16:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)		[[User:WaltherWhiteCook\|WaltherWhiteCook]] ([[User talk:WaltherWhiteCook\|talk]]) 16:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

WaltherWhiteCook: /* Identification of Bolt Action Rifle */ new section

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Identification of Bolt Action Rifle: new section

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	:Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)		:Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
	::The "fully-closed loop" is a stamped ridge on the magazine well; on the G3 (and on the R91, which is actually easier to see it on), this ridge has 3 right angles and two non-right angles (looking a bit like a square that was cut diagonally at a random point on the side), forming a closed loop. On the HK33, however, there are just two right angles at the top, and the sides of the shape just end at the bottom of the magazine well, creating a non-closed shape. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 00:49, 7 June 2020 (EDT)		::The "fully-closed loop" is a stamped ridge on the magazine well; on the G3 (and on the R91, which is actually easier to see it on), this ridge has 3 right angles and two non-right angles (looking a bit like a square that was cut diagonally at a random point on the side), forming a closed loop. On the HK33, however, there are just two right angles at the top, and the sides of the shape just end at the bottom of the magazine well, creating a non-closed shape. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 00:49, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

			== Identification of Bolt Action Rifle ==

			I found a poster that's used in Fallout 3's Anchorage DLC and it depicts a Chinese soldier with some type of bolt action rifle it appears. Best I can think of is a Type 24 copy rifle, but I'd like to see what others (who are better at identifying bolt actions) think.
			[[File:FO3 Poster BoltAcRifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|FO3 propaganda poster]]
			[[User:WaltherWhiteCook\|WaltherWhiteCook]] ([[User talk:WaltherWhiteCook\|talk]]) 16:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Pyr0m4n14c: /* R91 basis */

2020-06-07T04:49:21Z

R91 basis

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	Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)		Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
	:Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)		:Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
			::The "fully-closed loop" is a stamped ridge on the magazine well; on the G3 (and on the R91, which is actually easier to see it on), this ridge has 3 right angles and two non-right angles (looking a bit like a square that was cut diagonally at a random point on the side), forming a closed loop. On the HK33, however, there are just two right angles at the top, and the sides of the shape just end at the bottom of the magazine well, creating a non-closed shape. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 00:49, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

Kadorhal: /* R91 basis */

2020-06-07T00:42:29Z

R91 basis

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	[[File:Fallout3G3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|...and here's the R91.]]		[[File:Fallout3G3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|...and here's the R91.]]
	Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)		Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
			:Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Pyr0m4n14c: /* R91 basis */

2020-06-06T23:36:09Z

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	:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)		:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
	::What's the difference between the magwells? I can't notice anything at a glance with the pictures of the real guns we have. [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2020 (EDT)		::What's the difference between the magwells? I can't notice anything at a glance with the pictures of the real guns we have. [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
			:::Well...
			[[File:HK33 A2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Here's an HK33...]]
			[[File:HKG3A3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|...here's a G3...]]
			[[File:Fallout3G3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|...and here's the R91.]]
			Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Kadorhal: /* R91 basis */

2020-06-06T20:25:27Z

R91 basis

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	Just to be clear, what are we going off of to say the R91 is based on a G3 specifically and not an HK33? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (EDT)		Just to be clear, what are we going off of to say the R91 is based on a G3 specifically and not an HK33? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
	:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)		:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
			::What's the difference between the magwells? I can't notice anything at a glance with the pictures of the real guns we have. [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Pyr0m4n14c: /* R91 basis */

2020-06-05T23:50:42Z

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	Yeah, okay. I can see the CETME influence and the DKS-501 point is apt. I'd love to see this page be updated like NV's a bit. Other than what you've mentioned, I don't really know what else to add/change.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982\|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982\|talk]]) 13:34, 31 August 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982		Yeah, okay. I can see the CETME influence and the DKS-501 point is apt. I'd love to see this page be updated like NV's a bit. Other than what you've mentioned, I don't really know what else to add/change.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982\|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982\|talk]]) 13:34, 31 August 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982

	== R91 basis ==		==R91 basis==

	Just to be clear, what are we going off of to say the R91 is based on a G3 specifically and not an HK33? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (EDT)		Just to be clear, what are we going off of to say the R91 is based on a G3 specifically and not an HK33? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
			:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

Kadorhal: /* R91 basis */ new section

2020-06-05T23:22:11Z

R91 basis: new section

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	Yeah, okay. I can see the CETME influence and the DKS-501 point is apt. I'd love to see this page be updated like NV's a bit. Other than what you've mentioned, I don't really know what else to add/change.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982\|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982\|talk]]) 13:34, 31 August 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982		Yeah, okay. I can see the CETME influence and the DKS-501 point is apt. I'd love to see this page be updated like NV's a bit. Other than what you've mentioned, I don't really know what else to add/change.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982\|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982\|talk]]) 13:34, 31 August 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982

			== R91 basis ==

			Just to be clear, what are we going off of to say the R91 is based on a G3 specifically and not an HK33? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

H3nry8adger1982 at 17:34, 31 August 2017

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	So, I feel inclined to point out a few things: given the curve to the magazine and the pistol grip design, I almost want to say that the R91 draws some influence from the CETME rifle. Secondly, the Flamer seems to have more in common with an M9 or M9A1 flamethrower than an M2. Lastly, I have no idea what the deal is with the DKS-501 sniper rifle, but I'm pretty damned sure that it doesn't really have anything to do with the SV-98. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 17:38, 9 August 2017 (EDT)		So, I feel inclined to point out a few things: given the curve to the magazine and the pistol grip design, I almost want to say that the R91 draws some influence from the CETME rifle. Secondly, the Flamer seems to have more in common with an M9 or M9A1 flamethrower than an M2. Lastly, I have no idea what the deal is with the DKS-501 sniper rifle, but I'm pretty damned sure that it doesn't really have anything to do with the SV-98. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 17:38, 9 August 2017 (EDT)

			Yeah, okay. I can see the CETME influence and the DKS-501 point is apt. I'd love to see this page be updated like NV's a bit. Other than what you've mentioned, I don't really know what else to add/change.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982\|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982\|talk]]) 13:34, 31 August 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982

Pyr0m4n14c: /* Of assault rifles, sniper rifles, and flamethrowers... */ new section

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Of assault rifles, sniper rifles, and flamethrowers...: new section

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	Would it be at all worth it to mention the power differences between certain weapons? For instance, the 10mm pistol deals more damage than the chinese pistol when both use the same ammo.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982\|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982\|talk]]) 17:28, 29 October 2016 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982		Would it be at all worth it to mention the power differences between certain weapons? For instance, the 10mm pistol deals more damage than the chinese pistol when both use the same ammo.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982\|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982\|talk]]) 17:28, 29 October 2016 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982

			== Of assault rifles, sniper rifles, and flamethrowers... ==

			So, I feel inclined to point out a few things: given the curve to the magazine and the pistol grip design, I almost want to say that the R91 draws some influence from the CETME rifle. Secondly, the Flamer seems to have more in common with an M9 or M9A1 flamethrower than an M2. Lastly, I have no idea what the deal is with the DKS-501 sniper rifle, but I'm pretty damned sure that it doesn't really have anything to do with the SV-98. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 17:38, 9 August 2017 (EDT)

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	Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)		Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
	:Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)		:Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
			::The "fully-closed loop" is a stamped ridge on the magazine well; on the G3 (and on the R91, which is actually easier to see it on), this ridge has 3 right angles and two non-right angles (looking a bit like a square that was cut diagonally at a random point on the side), forming a closed loop. On the HK33, however, there are just two right angles at the top, and the sides of the shape just end at the bottom of the magazine well, creating a non-closed shape. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 00:49, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

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	[[File:Fallout3G3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|...and here's the R91.]]		[[File:Fallout3G3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|...and here's the R91.]]
	Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)		Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
			:Alright, I see it now, thanks. Out of curiosity, by "fully-closed loop", do you mean the very slight gap right behind the button mag-release on the 33, or is it something else I'm still missing? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 20:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

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	:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)		:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
	::What's the difference between the magwells? I can't notice anything at a glance with the pictures of the real guns we have. [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2020 (EDT)		::What's the difference between the magwells? I can't notice anything at a glance with the pictures of the real guns we have. [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
			:::Well...
			[[File:HK33 A2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Here's an HK33...]]
			[[File:HKG3A3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|...here's a G3...]]
			[[File:Fallout3G3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|...and here's the R91.]]
			Note how both the G3 and the R91 have a proportionally longer magazine well than the HK33, as well as a fully-closed loop on the magazine well. The magazine itself is also more of a match for a G3; the non-waffle-pattern mags like the one in [[Media:G3A3.jpg\|this image]] look rather like the one the R91 uses. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

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	Just to be clear, what are we going off of to say the R91 is based on a G3 specifically and not an HK33? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (EDT)		Just to be clear, what are we going off of to say the R91 is based on a G3 specifically and not an HK33? [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
	:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)		:The mags and magwell design match the G3 rather than the HK33. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c\|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c\|talk]]) 19:50, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
			::What's the difference between the magwells? I can't notice anything at a glance with the pictures of the real guns we have. [[User:Kadorhal\|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal\|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2020 (EDT)