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Mateogala: /* Additional Images */

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	~~[[File:Kgm21.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Kg m/21 - 6.5×55mm]]~~

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	[[File:ColtMoniter.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|none\|Colt Model of 1925(R75) Commercial BAR. The Model 1925 was produced in various calibers, including .30-06 Springfield (7.62x63mm), 7.65x53mm Belgian Mauser, 7x57mm Mauser, 7.92x57mm Mauser, and .303 British (7.7x56mmR). Note no Cutts compensator unlike the R80 in the image above.]]

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	~~[[File:FBIColtMonitor.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|none\|FBI agent training with a couple Colt R80 Moniters circa 1930's.]]~~
	[[File:ColtMoniter.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|none\|Colt Model of 1925(R75) Commercial BAR. The Model 1925 was produced in various calibers, including .30-06 Springfield (7.62x63mm), 7.65x53mm Belgian Mauser, 7x57mm Mauser, 7.92x57mm Mauser, and .303 British (7.7x56mmR). Note no Cutts compensator unlike the R80 in the image above.]]		[[File:ColtMoniter.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|none\|Colt Model of 1925(R75) Commercial BAR. The Model 1925 was produced in various calibers, including .30-06 Springfield (7.62x63mm), 7.65x53mm Belgian Mauser, 7x57mm Mauser, 7.92x57mm Mauser, and .303 British (7.7x56mmR). Note no Cutts compensator unlike the R80 in the image above.]]

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			[[File:Kgm21.jpg\|thumb\|none\|500px\|Kg m/21 - 6.5×55mm]]
			[[File:FBIColtMonitor.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|none\|FBI agent training with a couple Colt R80 Moniters circa 1930's.]]
			[[File:ColtMoniter.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|none\|Colt Model of 1925(R75) Commercial BAR. The Model 1925 was produced in various calibers, including .30-06 Springfield (7.62x63mm), 7.65x53mm Belgian Mauser, 7x57mm Mauser, 7.92x57mm Mauser, and .303 British (7.7x56mmR). Note no Cutts compensator unlike the R80 in the image above.]]

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	==Colt R80 Monitor==		==Colt R80 Monitor==
	R80 Colt Monitor - The Colt Monitor was the most modern of the Browning Automatic Rifles. The bipod was deleted but it had a pistol grip, an 18-inch barrel and a 4 inch Cutts compensator on the end. It weighs in at around 16 lbs.The key changes in the R80 (in comparison to the BAR) came in reducing its barrel length and associated gas system by several inches, but adding a highly engineered muzzle compensator known as a Cutts compensator. The compensator, in combination with the pistol grip made the R80 well balanced and easier to handle in full-auto fire.		R80 Colt Monitor - The Colt Monitor was the most modern of the Browning Automatic Rifles. The bipod was deleted but it had a pistol grip, an 18-inch barrel and a 4 inch Cutts compensator on the end. It weighs in at around 16 lbs.The key changes in the R80 (in comparison to the BAR) came in reducing its barrel length and associated gas system by several inches, but adding a highly engineered muzzle compensator known as a Cutts compensator. The compensator, in combination with the pistol grip made the R80 well balanced and easier to handle in full-auto fire.

Evil Tim: /* Prices */

2017-09-05T17:35:59Z

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	::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)		::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)

			:Yeah, that price also puts into perspective just how restrictive the NFA was intended to be, that $200 tax stamp was, at the time, one-third the cost of a new car and amounted to a 4000% tax on the cost of a Maxim Silencer. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 13:35, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

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Jcordell: /* Prices */

2017-08-27T21:23:39Z

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	::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)		::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)

	~~::I'm not really sure what you are asking or what your point is exactly. Can you please clarify? --[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell\|talk]]) 17:21, 27 August 2017 (EDT)~~

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Jcordell: /* Prices */

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	::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)		::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)

			::I'm not really sure what you are asking or what your point is exactly. Can you please clarify? --[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell\|talk]]) 17:21, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

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Godzillafan93: /* Prices */

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	::::In the early 1930's the so-called "motorized bandits" (Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd etc) were wearing body armor and often driving vehicles made of heavy gauge steel. The average police officer back then carried a .38 Special revolver or even a 32 caiber revolver. IF they carried a long-gun it was usually a Winchester in 44-40, 32-20 or 30-30 (maybe) and maybe a twelve gauge shotgun usually loaded with buckshot or even birdshot. Most of those loads couldn't penetrate the steel autobodies and body armor.Even the 44 Special and 45 ACP had some issues which brought about development of the 38 Super (1929), 38/44 High Velocity (1930) and the .357 Magnum (1935), but I'm digressing. The 30-06 would punch through as well. The bad guys were also using Thompsons and Browning Automatic Rifles which they often stole from National Guard Armories. For awhile the bad guys had the technological edge over American police officers. Colt marketed the Monitor to law enforcement for just that reason and didn't really seek the private gun-owner though they could legally own them at the time.--[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell\|talk]]) 16:32, 21 November 2016 (EST)		::::In the early 1930's the so-called "motorized bandits" (Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd etc) were wearing body armor and often driving vehicles made of heavy gauge steel. The average police officer back then carried a .38 Special revolver or even a 32 caiber revolver. IF they carried a long-gun it was usually a Winchester in 44-40, 32-20 or 30-30 (maybe) and maybe a twelve gauge shotgun usually loaded with buckshot or even birdshot. Most of those loads couldn't penetrate the steel autobodies and body armor.Even the 44 Special and 45 ACP had some issues which brought about development of the 38 Super (1929), 38/44 High Velocity (1930) and the .357 Magnum (1935), but I'm digressing. The 30-06 would punch through as well. The bad guys were also using Thompsons and Browning Automatic Rifles which they often stole from National Guard Armories. For awhile the bad guys had the technological edge over American police officers. Colt marketed the Monitor to law enforcement for just that reason and didn't really seek the private gun-owner though they could legally own them at the time.--[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell\|talk]]) 16:32, 21 November 2016 (EST)

			:::::That makes sense. I hadn't really thought of that. --[[User:Godzillafan93\|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93\|talk]]) 21:31, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

	::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)		::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)

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	::::In the early 1930's the so-called "motorized bandits" (Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd etc) were wearing body armor and often driving vehicles made of heavy gauge steel. The average police officer back then carried a .38 Special revolver or even a 32 caiber revolver. IF they carried a long-gun it was usually a Winchester in 44-40, 32-20 or 30-30 (maybe) and maybe a twelve gauge shotgun usually loaded with buckshot or even birdshot. Most of those loads couldn't penetrate the steel autobodies and body armor.Even the 44 Special and 45 ACP had some issues which brought about development of the 38 Super (1929), 38/44 High Velocity (1930) and the .357 Magnum (1935), but I'm digressing. The 30-06 would punch through as well. The bad guys were also using Thompsons and Browning Automatic Rifles which they often stole from National Guard Armories. For awhile the bad guys had the technological edge over American police officers. Colt marketed the Monitor to law enforcement for just that reason and didn't really seek the private gun-owner though they could legally own them at the time.--[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell\|talk]]) 16:32, 21 November 2016 (EST)		::::In the early 1930's the so-called "motorized bandits" (Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd etc) were wearing body armor and often driving vehicles made of heavy gauge steel. The average police officer back then carried a .38 Special revolver or even a 32 caiber revolver. IF they carried a long-gun it was usually a Winchester in 44-40, 32-20 or 30-30 (maybe) and maybe a twelve gauge shotgun usually loaded with buckshot or even birdshot. Most of those loads couldn't penetrate the steel autobodies and body armor.Even the 44 Special and 45 ACP had some issues which brought about development of the 38 Super (1929), 38/44 High Velocity (1930) and the .357 Magnum (1935), but I'm digressing. The 30-06 would punch through as well. The bad guys were also using Thompsons and Browning Automatic Rifles which they often stole from National Guard Armories. For awhile the bad guys had the technological edge over American police officers. Colt marketed the Monitor to law enforcement for just that reason and didn't really seek the private gun-owner though they could legally own them at the time.--[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell\|talk]]) 16:32, 21 November 2016 (EST)

			:::::That makes sense. I hadn't really thought of that. --[[User:Godzillafan93\|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93\|talk]]) 21:31, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

	::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)		::: Do you mean use then or now? For now, the use of one would be the same for all the other transferable machine guns, which is just cause(potentially as an investment). It would be expensive to feed, but so are most of the autos these days. As for then, BARs didn't have all that much of a practical use by the regular joe, as did most machine guns. That is why most people never owned an auto. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles were the go to for the average person. --[[User:Zombiedrd\|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd\|talk]]) 22:15, 25 September 2016 (EST)