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Slon95: /* Anachronistic? */

2015-09-25T13:01:52Z

Anachronistic?

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	:::I figured it was supposed to be some kind of magazine release (it does go to where the mag release is on the Schnellfeuer, but on the wrong side) but since Booker never hits it it's just a big pointless lever. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 19:48, 28 May 2015 (EDT)		:::I figured it was supposed to be some kind of magazine release (it does go to where the mag release is on the Schnellfeuer, but on the wrong side) but since Booker never hits it it's just a big pointless lever. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 19:48, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
	::::This is really work of magazine release, in the form of a lever (!). Watch carefully - at '''0:12''' Booker pushes the lever, and magazine released:https://youtu.be/TLEPpUEzynY --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 30 May 2015		::::This is really work of magazine release, in the form of a lever (!). Watch carefully - at '''0:12''' Booker pushes the lever, and magazine released:https://youtu.be/TLEPpUEzynY --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 30 May 2015


			Returning to the sniper rifle. By studying it, I want to say that it is a lot based on [[M1917 Enfield]]. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 15:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC+2)
			[[File:Pattern1914scoped.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Pattern M1914 (P 14) Enfield sniper variant fitted with telescopic sight - .303 UK]]

	=="Founder Carbine"==		=="Founder Carbine"==

Slon95: /* Grenade launcher */ new section

2015-09-17T19:09:42Z

Grenade launcher: new section

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	Why in the game is not normal bolt actions rifles? It's the most common weapon at the time. Especially strange against the background of the images in the game M1903 Springfield; and the availability of hybrid sniper rifle. But usually a simple bolt action rifle in the game not, and this is very strange!		Why in the game is not normal bolt actions rifles? It's the most common weapon at the time. Especially strange against the background of the images in the game M1903 Springfield; and the availability of hybrid sniper rifle. But usually a simple bolt action rifle in the game not, and this is very strange!
	: It's probably because Colombia is supposed to be the "City of the future" so they focused of bringing self repeating rifles, as much as I'd love to use a Springfield without a scope. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha\|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha\|talk]]) 11:34, 03 April 2015 (GMT)		: It's probably because Colombia is supposed to be the "City of the future" so they focused of bringing self repeating rifles, as much as I'd love to use a Springfield without a scope. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha\|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha\|talk]]) 11:34, 03 April 2015 (GMT)

			== Grenade launcher ==

			In the article there was no grenade launcher (aka 'Pig Flak'), so I added a description.
			This concept art, incidentally, confirmed my assumption that the "Pig Flak" based on the Milkor MGL: [http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/558041_23dkxkxfh04rdsdlbrvq6n2kv.jpg] --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 21:09, 17 September 2015 (UTC+2)

Slon95: /* Anachronistic? */

2015-05-30T17:49:37Z

Anachronistic?

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	:: That concept-art pistol for Bioshock Infinite:[http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/558041_rqzacv4kthjwr5ue_l2d5cmvr.jpg]. I personally believe, that the lever on the Mauser - mutated fire selector from M712 Schnellfeuer; although lever and nohow not used. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 28 May 2015		:: That concept-art pistol for Bioshock Infinite:[http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/558041_rqzacv4kthjwr5ue_l2d5cmvr.jpg]. I personally believe, that the lever on the Mauser - mutated fire selector from M712 Schnellfeuer; although lever and nohow not used. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 28 May 2015
	:::I figured it was supposed to be some kind of magazine release (it does go to where the mag release is on the Schnellfeuer, but on the wrong side) but since Booker never hits it it's just a big pointless lever. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 19:48, 28 May 2015 (EDT)		:::I figured it was supposed to be some kind of magazine release (it does go to where the mag release is on the Schnellfeuer, but on the wrong side) but since Booker never hits it it's just a big pointless lever. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 19:48, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
			::::This is really work of magazine release, in the form of a lever (!). Watch carefully - at '''0:12''' Booker pushes the lever, and magazine released:https://youtu.be/TLEPpUEzynY --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 30 May 2015

	=="Founder Carbine"==		=="Founder Carbine"==

Evil Tim: /* Anachronistic? */

2015-05-28T23:48:13Z

Anachronistic?

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	:Designing fictional firearms properly requires you have some knowledge of the workings of real ones, otherwise you get levers that do nothing and mechanical impossibilities that lack vital components to function. The mistakes in this game are like having a scene in a movie where a character changes gears using his car's handbrake: sure, ''maybe'' he has some special car where the handbrake is actually a gear lever, but parsimony (the principle that the theory requiring the fewest additional terms is the best) makes the best explanation that it's an error. If we were studying a case where a real person actually had changed gears with his car's handbrake we would have to assume it was somehow possible, but we're dealing with fiction here, so we don't. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 16:00, 26 May 2015 (EDT)		:Designing fictional firearms properly requires you have some knowledge of the workings of real ones, otherwise you get levers that do nothing and mechanical impossibilities that lack vital components to function. The mistakes in this game are like having a scene in a movie where a character changes gears using his car's handbrake: sure, ''maybe'' he has some special car where the handbrake is actually a gear lever, but parsimony (the principle that the theory requiring the fewest additional terms is the best) makes the best explanation that it's an error. If we were studying a case where a real person actually had changed gears with his car's handbrake we would have to assume it was somehow possible, but we're dealing with fiction here, so we don't. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 16:00, 26 May 2015 (EDT)
	:: That concept-art pistol for Bioshock Infinite:[http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/558041_rqzacv4kthjwr5ue_l2d5cmvr.jpg]. I personally believe, that the lever on the Mauser - mutated fire selector from M712 Schnellfeuer; although lever and nohow not used. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 28 May 2015		:: That concept-art pistol for Bioshock Infinite:[http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/558041_rqzacv4kthjwr5ue_l2d5cmvr.jpg]. I personally believe, that the lever on the Mauser - mutated fire selector from M712 Schnellfeuer; although lever and nohow not used. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 28 May 2015
			:::I figured it was supposed to be some kind of magazine release (it does go to where the mag release is on the Schnellfeuer, but on the wrong side) but since Booker never hits it it's just a big pointless lever. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 19:48, 28 May 2015 (EDT)

	=="Founder Carbine"==		=="Founder Carbine"==

Slon95: /* Anachronistic? */

2015-05-28T21:04:22Z

Anachronistic?

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	:*Trying to put 7.62mm NATO through an M1 Carbine would totally destroy it, it's twice as powerful as .30 Carbine. There's a reason the M1 Garand which uses a similarly powerful round is twice the weight of the M1 Carbine.		:*Trying to put 7.62mm NATO through an M1 Carbine would totally destroy it, it's twice as powerful as .30 Carbine. There's a reason the M1 Garand which uses a similarly powerful round is twice the weight of the M1 Carbine.
	:Designing fictional firearms properly requires you have some knowledge of the workings of real ones, otherwise you get levers that do nothing and mechanical impossibilities that lack vital components to function. The mistakes in this game are like having a scene in a movie where a character changes gears using his car's handbrake: sure, ''maybe'' he has some special car where the handbrake is actually a gear lever, but parsimony (the principle that the theory requiring the fewest additional terms is the best) makes the best explanation that it's an error. If we were studying a case where a real person actually had changed gears with his car's handbrake we would have to assume it was somehow possible, but we're dealing with fiction here, so we don't. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 16:00, 26 May 2015 (EDT)		:Designing fictional firearms properly requires you have some knowledge of the workings of real ones, otherwise you get levers that do nothing and mechanical impossibilities that lack vital components to function. The mistakes in this game are like having a scene in a movie where a character changes gears using his car's handbrake: sure, ''maybe'' he has some special car where the handbrake is actually a gear lever, but parsimony (the principle that the theory requiring the fewest additional terms is the best) makes the best explanation that it's an error. If we were studying a case where a real person actually had changed gears with his car's handbrake we would have to assume it was somehow possible, but we're dealing with fiction here, so we don't. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 16:00, 26 May 2015 (EDT)
			:: That concept-art pistol for Bioshock Infinite:[http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/558041_rqzacv4kthjwr5ue_l2d5cmvr.jpg]. I personally believe, that the lever on the Mauser - mutated fire selector from M712 Schnellfeuer; although lever and nohow not used. --[[User:Slon95\|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95\|talk]]) 28 May 2015

	=="Founder Carbine"==		=="Founder Carbine"==

Evil Tim: /* Anachronistic? */

2015-05-26T20:15:09Z

Anachronistic?

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	:*The lever on the C96 has no in-game function and no obvious mechanical purpose. Supposing it has a purpose even though we have no idea what that might be is not how you evaluate evidence.		:*The lever on the C96 has no in-game function and no obvious mechanical purpose. Supposing it has a purpose even though we have no idea what that might be is not how you evaluate evidence.
	:*Trying to put 7.62mm NATO through an M1 Carbine would totally destroy it, it's twice as powerful as .30 Carbine. There's a reason the M1 Garand which uses a similarly powerful round is twice the weight of the M1 Carbine.		:*Trying to put 7.62mm NATO through an M1 Carbine would totally destroy it, it's twice as powerful as .30 Carbine. There's a reason the M1 Garand which uses a similarly powerful round is twice the weight of the M1 Carbine.
	:Designing fictional firearms properly requires you have some knowledge of the workings of real ones, otherwise you get levers that do nothing and mechanical impossibilities that lack vital components to function. The mistakes in this game are like having a scene in a movie where a character changes gears using his car's handbrake: sure, ''maybe'' he has some special car where the handbrake is actually a gear lever, but parsimony (the principle that the theory requiring the fewest additional terms is the best) makes the best explanation that it's an error. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 16:00, 26 May 2015 (EDT)		:Designing fictional firearms properly requires you have some knowledge of the workings of real ones, otherwise you get levers that do nothing and mechanical impossibilities that lack vital components to function. The mistakes in this game are like having a scene in a movie where a character changes gears using his car's handbrake: sure, ''maybe'' he has some special car where the handbrake is actually a gear lever, but parsimony (the principle that the theory requiring the fewest additional terms is the best) makes the best explanation that it's an error. If we were studying a case where a real person actually had changed gears with his car's handbrake we would have to assume it was somehow possible, but we're dealing with fiction here, so we don't. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 16:00, 26 May 2015 (EDT)

	=="Founder Carbine"==		=="Founder Carbine"==

Evil Tim: /* Anachronistic? */

2015-05-26T20:05:27Z

Anachronistic?

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	I still think that the general tone of this article is unnecessarily condescending and snarky and, frankly, points out errors that are not so. For instance, saying that the revolver's design is wrong because the loading lever is improperly placed and the cylinder strangely has nipples for percussion caps is perfectly valid. But saying it is incorrect for being break action is fallacious as it IS NOT an 1851 Navy. It is a revolver that resembles, stylistically, an 1851 Navy, but is very obviously not one nor does it claim to be one. It is a fictional weapon. Similarly, there's nothing wrong with the Sniper Rifle so far as I can find. In the story, it is presumed that Columbia manufactures their own weapons, so what is wrong with having a Mauser action rifle that is not identical to a Mauser or Springfield? Variations like this appear (licensed and unlicensed) in real life all the time (magazine-fed M1 Garands, the Colt variant of the B.A.R. etc.) This goes for the C-96 as well. The only thing particularly wrong with it is the rear site being spikey as all hell. The lever on the side is not shown to have a function, but that hardly means it can't have one. The M1 Carbine in game is a gun BASED on the design of the M1 Carbine. To claim that it is impossible to have one chambered in a round other than .30 Carbine ignores reality as this too happens in REAL LIFE with foreign copies of weapons. The shotgun is a mess, sure, as is the peppermill and the Triple R's heat shield glowing without the barrel is also problematic. However, pointing out "flaws" that aren't flaws makes the article sound elitist and nitpicky. [[User:Greaser350\|Greaser350]] ([[User talk:Greaser350\|talk]]) 2 April 2015 (EDT)		I still think that the general tone of this article is unnecessarily condescending and snarky and, frankly, points out errors that are not so. For instance, saying that the revolver's design is wrong because the loading lever is improperly placed and the cylinder strangely has nipples for percussion caps is perfectly valid. But saying it is incorrect for being break action is fallacious as it IS NOT an 1851 Navy. It is a revolver that resembles, stylistically, an 1851 Navy, but is very obviously not one nor does it claim to be one. It is a fictional weapon. Similarly, there's nothing wrong with the Sniper Rifle so far as I can find. In the story, it is presumed that Columbia manufactures their own weapons, so what is wrong with having a Mauser action rifle that is not identical to a Mauser or Springfield? Variations like this appear (licensed and unlicensed) in real life all the time (magazine-fed M1 Garands, the Colt variant of the B.A.R. etc.) This goes for the C-96 as well. The only thing particularly wrong with it is the rear site being spikey as all hell. The lever on the side is not shown to have a function, but that hardly means it can't have one. The M1 Carbine in game is a gun BASED on the design of the M1 Carbine. To claim that it is impossible to have one chambered in a round other than .30 Carbine ignores reality as this too happens in REAL LIFE with foreign copies of weapons. The shotgun is a mess, sure, as is the peppermill and the Triple R's heat shield glowing without the barrel is also problematic. However, pointing out "flaws" that aren't flaws makes the article sound elitist and nitpicky. [[User:Greaser350\|Greaser350]] ([[User talk:Greaser350\|talk]]) 2 April 2015 (EDT)
	:Again, this is just trying to gloss over the issues by starting from your conclusion that the game must be doing something right, despite there being no clear evidence this is the case.		:Again, this is just trying to gloss over the issues by starting from your conclusion that the game must be doing something right, despite there being no clear evidence this is the case.
	:*Given the revolver in the game ''fires with no chamber in line with the barrel'', having an incorrect method of loading is the least of its problems~~. There is no reason for a cartridge revolver to have a loading lever and no possible function to the structure under the barrel~~. Most actual top-break revolvers have a release latch to open the gun (it's not exactly optional) while the in-game gun has no method of staying closed, therefore it is an incorrect alteration to the existing design rather than a new complete design.		:*Given the revolver in the game ''fires with no chamber in line with the barrel'', having an incorrect method of loading is the least of its problems. Most actual top-break revolvers have a release latch to open the gun (it's not exactly optional) while the in-game gun has no method of staying closed, therefore it is an incorrect alteration to the existing design rather than a new complete design.
	:*It's hard to have a detachable, perfectly flush magazine on a rifle that doesn't appear to have a magazine release.		:*It's hard to have a detachable, perfectly flush magazine on a rifle that doesn't appear to have a magazine release.
	:*The lever on the C96 has no in-game function and no obvious mechanical purpose. Supposing it has a purpose even though we have no idea what that might be is not how you evaluate evidence.		:*The lever on the C96 has no in-game function and no obvious mechanical purpose. Supposing it has a purpose even though we have no idea what that might be is not how you evaluate evidence.

Evil Tim: /* Anachronistic? */

2015-05-26T20:03:01Z

Anachronistic?

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	:*The lever on the C96 has no in-game function and no obvious mechanical purpose. Supposing it has a purpose even though we have no idea what that might be is not how you evaluate evidence.		:*The lever on the C96 has no in-game function and no obvious mechanical purpose. Supposing it has a purpose even though we have no idea what that might be is not how you evaluate evidence.
	:*Trying to put 7.62mm NATO through an M1 Carbine would totally destroy it, it's twice as powerful as .30 Carbine. There's a reason the M1 Garand which uses a similarly powerful round is twice the weight of the M1 Carbine.		:*Trying to put 7.62mm NATO through an M1 Carbine would totally destroy it, it's twice as powerful as .30 Carbine. There's a reason the M1 Garand which uses a similarly powerful round is twice the weight of the M1 Carbine.
	:Designing ~~firearms~~ fictional firearms properly requires you have some knowledge of the workings of real ones, otherwise you get levers that do nothing and mechanical impossibilities that lack vital components to function. The mistakes in this game are like having a scene in a movie where a character changes gears using his car's handbrake: sure, ''maybe'' he has some special car where the handbrake is actually a gear lever, but parsimony (the principle that the theory requiring the fewest additional terms is the best) makes the best explanation that it's an error. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 16:00, 26 May 2015 (EDT)		:Designing fictional firearms properly requires you have some knowledge of the workings of real ones, otherwise you get levers that do nothing and mechanical impossibilities that lack vital components to function. The mistakes in this game are like having a scene in a movie where a character changes gears using his car's handbrake: sure, ''maybe'' he has some special car where the handbrake is actually a gear lever, but parsimony (the principle that the theory requiring the fewest additional terms is the best) makes the best explanation that it's an error. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 16:00, 26 May 2015 (EDT)

	=="Founder Carbine"==		=="Founder Carbine"==

Evil Tim: /* Anachronistic? */

2015-05-26T20:00:32Z

Anachronistic?

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	I still think that the general tone of this article is unnecessarily condescending and snarky and, frankly, points out errors that are not so. For instance, saying that the revolver's design is wrong because the loading lever is improperly placed and the cylinder strangely has nipples for percussion caps is perfectly valid. But saying it is incorrect for being break action is fallacious as it IS NOT an 1851 Navy. It is a revolver that resembles, stylistically, an 1851 Navy, but is very obviously not one nor does it claim to be one. It is a fictional weapon. Similarly, there's nothing wrong with the Sniper Rifle so far as I can find. In the story, it is presumed that Columbia manufactures their own weapons, so what is wrong with having a Mauser action rifle that is not identical to a Mauser or Springfield? Variations like this appear (licensed and unlicensed) in real life all the time (magazine-fed M1 Garands, the Colt variant of the B.A.R. etc.) This goes for the C-96 as well. The only thing particularly wrong with it is the rear site being spikey as all hell. The lever on the side is not shown to have a function, but that hardly means it can't have one. The M1 Carbine in game is a gun BASED on the design of the M1 Carbine. To claim that it is impossible to have one chambered in a round other than .30 Carbine ignores reality as this too happens in REAL LIFE with foreign copies of weapons. The shotgun is a mess, sure, as is the peppermill and the Triple R's heat shield glowing without the barrel is also problematic. However, pointing out "flaws" that aren't flaws makes the article sound elitist and nitpicky. [[User:Greaser350\|Greaser350]] ([[User talk:Greaser350\|talk]]) 2 April 2015 (EDT)		I still think that the general tone of this article is unnecessarily condescending and snarky and, frankly, points out errors that are not so. For instance, saying that the revolver's design is wrong because the loading lever is improperly placed and the cylinder strangely has nipples for percussion caps is perfectly valid. But saying it is incorrect for being break action is fallacious as it IS NOT an 1851 Navy. It is a revolver that resembles, stylistically, an 1851 Navy, but is very obviously not one nor does it claim to be one. It is a fictional weapon. Similarly, there's nothing wrong with the Sniper Rifle so far as I can find. In the story, it is presumed that Columbia manufactures their own weapons, so what is wrong with having a Mauser action rifle that is not identical to a Mauser or Springfield? Variations like this appear (licensed and unlicensed) in real life all the time (magazine-fed M1 Garands, the Colt variant of the B.A.R. etc.) This goes for the C-96 as well. The only thing particularly wrong with it is the rear site being spikey as all hell. The lever on the side is not shown to have a function, but that hardly means it can't have one. The M1 Carbine in game is a gun BASED on the design of the M1 Carbine. To claim that it is impossible to have one chambered in a round other than .30 Carbine ignores reality as this too happens in REAL LIFE with foreign copies of weapons. The shotgun is a mess, sure, as is the peppermill and the Triple R's heat shield glowing without the barrel is also problematic. However, pointing out "flaws" that aren't flaws makes the article sound elitist and nitpicky. [[User:Greaser350\|Greaser350]] ([[User talk:Greaser350\|talk]]) 2 April 2015 (EDT)
			:Again, this is just trying to gloss over the issues by starting from your conclusion that the game must be doing something right, despite there being no clear evidence this is the case.
			:*Given the revolver in the game ''fires with no chamber in line with the barrel'', having an incorrect method of loading is the least of its problems. There is no reason for a cartridge revolver to have a loading lever and no possible function to the structure under the barrel. Most actual top-break revolvers have a release latch to open the gun (it's not exactly optional) while the in-game gun has no method of staying closed, therefore it is an incorrect alteration to the existing design rather than a new complete design.
			:*It's hard to have a detachable, perfectly flush magazine on a rifle that doesn't appear to have a magazine release.
			:*The lever on the C96 has no in-game function and no obvious mechanical purpose. Supposing it has a purpose even though we have no idea what that might be is not how you evaluate evidence.
			:*Trying to put 7.62mm NATO through an M1 Carbine would totally destroy it, it's twice as powerful as .30 Carbine. There's a reason the M1 Garand which uses a similarly powerful round is twice the weight of the M1 Carbine.
			:Designing firearms fictional firearms properly requires you have some knowledge of the workings of real ones, otherwise you get levers that do nothing and mechanical impossibilities that lack vital components to function. The mistakes in this game are like having a scene in a movie where a character changes gears using his car's handbrake: sure, ''maybe'' he has some special car where the handbrake is actually a gear lever, but parsimony (the principle that the theory requiring the fewest additional terms is the best) makes the best explanation that it's an error. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 16:00, 26 May 2015 (EDT)

	=="Founder Carbine"==		=="Founder Carbine"==

RedRobinAlpha: /* Why in the game has no conventional bolt action rifles? */

2015-04-03T10:35:09Z

Why in the game has no conventional bolt action rifles?

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	Why in the game is not normal bolt actions rifles? It's the most common weapon at the time. Especially strange against the background of the images in the game M1903 Springfield; and the availability of hybrid sniper rifle. But usually a simple bolt action rifle in the game not, and this is very strange!		Why in the game is not normal bolt actions rifles? It's the most common weapon at the time. Especially strange against the background of the images in the game M1903 Springfield; and the availability of hybrid sniper rifle. But usually a simple bolt action rifle in the game not, and this is very strange!
			: It's probably because Colombia is supposed to be the "City of the future" so they focused of bringing self repeating rifles, as much as I'd love to use a Springfield without a scope. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha\|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha\|talk]]) 11:34, 03 April 2015 (GMT)