Talk:Berdan Rifle - Revision history

Mateogala: /* Russian Berdan caliber - 10.67 vs 10.75 mm */

2021-11-22T12:07:58Z

Russian Berdan caliber - 10.67 vs 10.75 mm

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	I see that the caliber is changed from 10.67 to 10.75 mm. This is not so simple. The Russian designation of the caliber was "4.2 line", i.e. .42 inch. As the calibers in Russia were measured between the lands in the rifling and not the grooves, the Russian designation of the caliber in mm is 10.67, while the Western method of measuring gives 10.75. Same thing as with 9 mm PM, for example, that has the real diameter of the bullet 9.27. But all reference books call PM bullet 9 mm. Same thing with Berdan bullet, at least in Russian reference books - it is called 10.67 (as well as Smith & Wesson Russian revolver that is also "4.2 line"). I'm not so sure about how the Berdan caliber is designated in English reference books. But still I think that replacing commonly used 10.67 to may be more correct but less common 10.75 without any discussion isn't good. Thanks for any opinions. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 00:55, 22 November 2021 (EST)		I see that the caliber is changed from 10.67 to 10.75 mm. This is not so simple. The Russian designation of the caliber was "4.2 line", i.e. .42 inch. As the calibers in Russia were measured between the lands in the rifling and not the grooves, the Russian designation of the caliber in mm is 10.67, while the Western method of measuring gives 10.75. Same thing as with 9 mm PM, for example, that has the real diameter of the bullet 9.27. But all reference books call PM bullet 9 mm. Same thing with Berdan bullet, at least in Russian reference books - it is called 10.67 (as well as Smith & Wesson Russian revolver that is also "4.2 line"). I'm not so sure about how the Berdan caliber is designated in English reference books. But still I think that replacing commonly used 10.67 to may be more correct but less common 10.75 without any discussion isn't good. Thanks for any opinions. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 00:55, 22 November 2021 (EST)

			I was looking for information on the caliber for over two hours. Caliber "10.67" appears only on the pages of the IMFDB website. Any other source says "10.75". Each one Wikipedia. Every single page. All sources state the caliber 10.75.--[[User:Mateogala\|Emto_PL]] ([[User talk:Mateogala\|talk]]) 07:07, 22 November 2021 (EST)

Greg-Z: /* Russian Berdan caliber - 10.67 vs 10.75 mm */ new section

2021-11-22T05:55:57Z

Russian Berdan caliber - 10.67 vs 10.75 mm: new section

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	[[File:Berdan Dragoon rifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Russian Berdan № 2 (M1870) Dragoon rifle - 10.75x58mm R]]		[[File:Berdan Dragoon rifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Russian Berdan № 2 (M1870) Dragoon rifle - 10.75x58mm R]]
	[[File:Berdanka-28-Gauge.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|''Berdanka'' bolt action shotgun - 28 Gauge]]		[[File:Berdanka-28-Gauge.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|''Berdanka'' bolt action shotgun - 28 Gauge]]

			== Russian Berdan caliber - 10.67 vs 10.75 mm ==

			I see that the caliber is changed from 10.67 to 10.75 mm. This is not so simple. The Russian designation of the caliber was "4.2 line", i.e. .42 inch. As the calibers in Russia were measured between the lands in the rifling and not the grooves, the Russian designation of the caliber in mm is 10.67, while the Western method of measuring gives 10.75. Same thing as with 9 mm PM, for example, that has the real diameter of the bullet 9.27. But all reference books call PM bullet 9 mm. Same thing with Berdan bullet, at least in Russian reference books - it is called 10.67 (as well as Smith & Wesson Russian revolver that is also "4.2 line"). I'm not so sure about how the Berdan caliber is designated in English reference books. But still I think that replacing commonly used 10.67 to may be more correct but less common 10.75 without any discussion isn't good. Thanks for any opinions. --[[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 00:55, 22 November 2021 (EST)

Slon95: /* Additional Images */

2021-03-16T19:30:38Z

Additional Images

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	== Additional Images ==		== Additional Images ==
	[[File:Berdan No2 Family.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|A family of Berdan No.2 rifles: 1 - Infantry rifle, 2 - Dragoon rifle, 3 - Cossack rifle, 4 - carbine~~. Drawing from ''Strelkovoye orujie'' ("Firearms") by Aleksandr Juck~~.]]		[[File:Berdan No2 Family.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|A family of Berdan No.2 rifles: 1 - Infantry rifle, 2 - Dragoon rifle, 3 - Cossack rifle, 4 - carbine.]]
	[[File:Berdan Dragoon rifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Russian Berdan № 2 (M1870) Dragoon rifle - 10.75x58mm R]]		[[File:Berdan Dragoon rifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Russian Berdan № 2 (M1870) Dragoon rifle - 10.75x58mm R]]
	[[File:Berdanka-28-Gauge.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|''Berdanka'' bolt action shotgun - 28 Gauge]]		[[File:Berdanka-28-Gauge.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|''Berdanka'' bolt action shotgun - 28 Gauge]]

Greg-Z: /* Additional Images */

2016-04-15T08:24:57Z

Additional Images

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	[[File:Berdan No2 Family.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|A family of Berdan No.2 rifles: 1 - Infantry rifle, 2 - Dragoon rifle, 3 - Cossack rifle, 4 - carbine. Drawing from ''Strelkovoye orujie'' ("Firearms") by Aleksandr Juck.]]		[[File:Berdan No2 Family.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|A family of Berdan No.2 rifles: 1 - Infantry rifle, 2 - Dragoon rifle, 3 - Cossack rifle, 4 - carbine. Drawing from ''Strelkovoye orujie'' ("Firearms") by Aleksandr Juck.]]
	[[File:Berdan Dragoon rifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Russian Berdan № 2 (M1870) Dragoon rifle - 10.75x58mm R]]		[[File:Berdan Dragoon rifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Russian Berdan № 2 (M1870) Dragoon rifle - 10.75x58mm R]]
			[[File:Berdanka-28-Gauge.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|''Berdanka'' bolt action shotgun - 28 Gauge]]

Greg-Z: /* Additional Images */

2015-03-29T17:30:40Z

Additional Images

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	== Additional Images ==		== Additional Images ==
	[[File:Berdan No2 Family.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|A family of Berdan No.2 rifles: 1 - Infantry rifle, 2 - Dragoon rifle, 3 - Cossack rifle, 4 - carbine. Drawing from ''Strelkovoye orujie'' ("Firearms") by Aleksandr Juck.]]		[[File:Berdan No2 Family.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|A family of Berdan No.2 rifles: 1 - Infantry rifle, 2 - Dragoon rifle, 3 - Cossack rifle, 4 - carbine. Drawing from ''Strelkovoye orujie'' ("Firearms") by Aleksandr Juck.]]
			[[File:Berdan Dragoon rifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Russian Berdan № 2 (M1870) Dragoon rifle - 10.75x58mm R]]

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2014-01-05T18:06:19Z

Created page with "== Additional Images == [[File:Berdan No2 Family.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A family of Berdan No.2 rifles: 1 - Infantry rifle, 2 - Dragoon rifle, 3 - Cossack rifle, 4 - carbine. Dr..."

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== Additional Images ==
[[File:Berdan No2 Family.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A family of Berdan No.2 rifles: 1 - Infantry rifle, 2 - Dragoon rifle, 3 - Cossack rifle, 4 - carbine. Drawing from ''Strelkovoye orujie'' ("Firearms") by Aleksandr Juck.]]