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Sidewinder Forge: /* Sherman Tank Trivia */

2020-05-04T10:58:23Z

Sherman Tank Trivia

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	:::For those still interested in this discussion, please check [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GEKqqCgcA Youtube] which has a charming local TV news item from 1977 with behind-the-scenes shots of the (mock up) tanks. From 1min51sec onwards there's an interview with what seems to be the (very) British prop master who gives some details about the arrangements for the tanks. On behalf of all Dutch, I apologize for the rotten Dutch spoken by the tv presenter :-), [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 03:40, 27 June 2014 (EDT)		:::For those still interested in this discussion, please check [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GEKqqCgcA Youtube] which has a charming local TV news item from 1977 with behind-the-scenes shots of the (mock up) tanks. From 1min51sec onwards there's an interview with what seems to be the (very) British prop master who gives some details about the arrangements for the tanks. On behalf of all Dutch, I apologize for the rotten Dutch spoken by the tv presenter :-), [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 03:40, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

	Fake Shermans were definitely Land Rover Based, you can see the bright red top of the 4wd shift lever.		Fake Shermans were definitely Land Rover Based, you can see the bright red top of the 4wd shift lever. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge\|Sidewinder Forge]] ([[User talk:Sidewinder Forge\|talk]]) 06:58, 4 May 2020 (EDT)
	[[File:Sherman Land Rover.jpg\|thumb\|500px\|none\|]]		[[File:Sherman Land Rover.jpg\|thumb\|500px\|none\|]]
	:Based off of the design of the air vents and bracket for the folding windscreen on the front bulkhead I think it is a Series 2 specifically. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:33, 3 May 2020 (EDT)		:Based off of the design of the air vents and bracket for the folding windscreen on the front bulkhead I think it is a Series 2 specifically. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:33, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

Commando552: /* Sherman Tank Trivia */

2020-05-03T21:33:14Z

Sherman Tank Trivia

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	Fake Shermans were definitely Land Rover Based, you can see the bright red top of the 4wd shift lever.		Fake Shermans were definitely Land Rover Based, you can see the bright red top of the 4wd shift lever.
	[[File:Sherman Land Rover.jpg]]		[[File:Sherman Land Rover.jpg\|thumb\|500px\|none\|]]
			:Based off of the design of the air vents and bracket for the folding windscreen on the front bulkhead I think it is a Series 2 specifically. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:33, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

	== Question about the M1 Garand's in this movie and another. ==		== Question about the M1 Garand's in this movie and another. ==

Sidewinder Forge: /* Sherman Tank Trivia */

2020-05-03T18:30:26Z

Sherman Tank Trivia

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	:::For those still interested in this discussion, please check [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GEKqqCgcA Youtube] which has a charming local TV news item from 1977 with behind-the-scenes shots of the (mock up) tanks. From 1min51sec onwards there's an interview with what seems to be the (very) British prop master who gives some details about the arrangements for the tanks. On behalf of all Dutch, I apologize for the rotten Dutch spoken by the tv presenter :-), [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 03:40, 27 June 2014 (EDT)		:::For those still interested in this discussion, please check [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GEKqqCgcA Youtube] which has a charming local TV news item from 1977 with behind-the-scenes shots of the (mock up) tanks. From 1min51sec onwards there's an interview with what seems to be the (very) British prop master who gives some details about the arrangements for the tanks. On behalf of all Dutch, I apologize for the rotten Dutch spoken by the tv presenter :-), [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 03:40, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

			Fake Shermans were definitely Land Rover Based, you can see the bright red top of the 4wd shift lever.
			[[File:Sherman Land Rover.jpg]]

	== Question about the M1 Garand's in this movie and another. ==		== Question about the M1 Garand's in this movie and another. ==

Dudster32: /* artillery and mortar? */

2015-03-14T18:42:02Z

artillery and mortar?

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	I have some shots of British/German artillery, mortar and anti-tank guns. Can I add them? [[User:Dudster32\|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 March 2015 (EDT)		I have some shots of British/German artillery, mortar and anti-tank guns. Can I add them? [[User:Dudster32\|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 March 2015 (EDT)
	:Mortars and some AT guns are often included in their own entries as we have pages for such weapons. Artillery and tanks screenshots can be put in Trivia section as it is done on numerous war movies pages. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 14:36, 14 March 2015 (EDT)		:Mortars and some AT guns are often included in their own entries as we have pages for such weapons. Artillery and tanks screenshots can be put in Trivia section as it is done on numerous war movies pages. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 14:36, 14 March 2015 (EDT)
			::Oki doki, trivia it is! :) [[User:Dudster32\|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32\|talk]]) 14:42, 14 March 2015 (EDT)

Greg-Z: /* artillery and mortar? */

2015-03-14T18:36:03Z

artillery and mortar?

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	I have some shots of British/German artillery, mortar and anti-tank guns. Can I add them? [[User:Dudster32\|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 March 2015 (EDT)		I have some shots of British/German artillery, mortar and anti-tank guns. Can I add them? [[User:Dudster32\|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 March 2015 (EDT)
			:Mortars and some AT guns are often included in their own entries as we have pages for such weapons. Artillery and tanks screenshots can be put in Trivia section as it is done on numerous war movies pages. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 14:36, 14 March 2015 (EDT)

Dudster32: /* artillery and mortar? */ new section

2015-03-14T18:22:08Z

artillery and mortar?: new section

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	::You'd think they'd add a forward pistol grip to make up for the loss of the shoulder stock. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:31, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		::You'd think they'd add a forward pistol grip to make up for the loss of the shoulder stock. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:31, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
	:::I think the whole point of it was to make a weapon that was as small and non-snagging as possible to strap to your side during a parachute jump, or in the case of SOE use to conceal under clothing, so adding a forward grip would have been contrary to this. It was designed to be held by the heatshield (or by the magazine although this could cause jams and was discouraged) and at the ranges it was intended to be used I don't think a forward grip would have helped all that much. I don't know how this was slung, but it might have been the case that it was designed to be braced forward against the sling to stabilise it. On the topic, I have also seen Stens that have a rather nifty folding stock attached to the pistol grip sort of like the one used on the [[Carl Gustav M/45]], but contrary to what some sellers would ahve you believe I think these are all reproductions, with the real WWII version never really leaving the drawing board. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:50, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		:::I think the whole point of it was to make a weapon that was as small and non-snagging as possible to strap to your side during a parachute jump, or in the case of SOE use to conceal under clothing, so adding a forward grip would have been contrary to this. It was designed to be held by the heatshield (or by the magazine although this could cause jams and was discouraged) and at the ranges it was intended to be used I don't think a forward grip would have helped all that much. I don't know how this was slung, but it might have been the case that it was designed to be braced forward against the sling to stabilise it. On the topic, I have also seen Stens that have a rather nifty folding stock attached to the pistol grip sort of like the one used on the [[Carl Gustav M/45]], but contrary to what some sellers would ahve you believe I think these are all reproductions, with the real WWII version never really leaving the drawing board. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:50, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

			== artillery and mortar? ==

			I have some shots of British/German artillery, mortar and anti-tank guns. Can I add them? [[User:Dudster32\|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 March 2015 (EDT)

Commando552: /* Rare Sten grip */

2014-07-03T21:50:23Z

Rare Sten grip

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	:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off corners rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off corners rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
	::You'd think they'd add a forward pistol grip to make up for the loss of the shoulder stock. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:31, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		::You'd think they'd add a forward pistol grip to make up for the loss of the shoulder stock. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:31, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
			:::I think the whole point of it was to make a weapon that was as small and non-snagging as possible to strap to your side during a parachute jump, or in the case of SOE use to conceal under clothing, so adding a forward grip would have been contrary to this. It was designed to be held by the heatshield (or by the magazine although this could cause jams and was discouraged) and at the ranges it was intended to be used I don't think a forward grip would have helped all that much. I don't know how this was slung, but it might have been the case that it was designed to be braced forward against the sling to stabilise it. On the topic, I have also seen Stens that have a rather nifty folding stock attached to the pistol grip sort of like the one used on the [[Carl Gustav M/45]], but contrary to what some sellers would ahve you believe I think these are all reproductions, with the real WWII version never really leaving the drawing board. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:50, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

Funkychinaman at 21:31, 3 July 2014

2014-07-03T21:31:23Z

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	Possibly this particular grip was favoured by the Polish 1st, with other units opting for different designs, [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 15:53, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		Possibly this particular grip was favoured by the Polish 1st, with other units opting for different designs, [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 15:53, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
	:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off corners rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off corners rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
			::You'd think they'd add a forward pistol grip to make up for the loss of the shoulder stock. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:31, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

Commando552: /* Rare Sten grip */

2014-07-03T21:22:19Z

Rare Sten grip

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	Possibly this particular grip was favoured by the Polish 1st, with other units opting for different designs, [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 15:53, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		Possibly this particular grip was favoured by the Polish 1st, with other units opting for different designs, [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 15:53, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
	:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off ~~back to it~~ rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off corners rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

Commando552: /* Rare Sten grip */

2014-07-03T21:21:25Z

Rare Sten grip

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	Possibly this particular grip was favoured by the Polish 1st, with other units opting for different designs, [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 15:53, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		Possibly this particular grip was favoured by the Polish 1st, with other units opting for different designs, [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 15:53, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
			:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off back to it rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

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	:::For those still interested in this discussion, please check [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GEKqqCgcA Youtube] which has a charming local TV news item from 1977 with behind-the-scenes shots of the (mock up) tanks. From 1min51sec onwards there's an interview with what seems to be the (very) British prop master who gives some details about the arrangements for the tanks. On behalf of all Dutch, I apologize for the rotten Dutch spoken by the tv presenter :-), [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 03:40, 27 June 2014 (EDT)		:::For those still interested in this discussion, please check [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GEKqqCgcA Youtube] which has a charming local TV news item from 1977 with behind-the-scenes shots of the (mock up) tanks. From 1min51sec onwards there's an interview with what seems to be the (very) British prop master who gives some details about the arrangements for the tanks. On behalf of all Dutch, I apologize for the rotten Dutch spoken by the tv presenter :-), [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 03:40, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

	Fake Shermans were definitely Land Rover Based, you can see the bright red top of the 4wd shift lever.		Fake Shermans were definitely Land Rover Based, you can see the bright red top of the 4wd shift lever. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge\|Sidewinder Forge]] ([[User talk:Sidewinder Forge\|talk]]) 06:58, 4 May 2020 (EDT)
	[[File:Sherman Land Rover.jpg\|thumb\|500px\|none\|]]		[[File:Sherman Land Rover.jpg\|thumb\|500px\|none\|]]
	:Based off of the design of the air vents and bracket for the folding windscreen on the front bulkhead I think it is a Series 2 specifically. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:33, 3 May 2020 (EDT)		:Based off of the design of the air vents and bracket for the folding windscreen on the front bulkhead I think it is a Series 2 specifically. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:33, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

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	I have some shots of British/German artillery, mortar and anti-tank guns. Can I add them? [[User:Dudster32\|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 March 2015 (EDT)		I have some shots of British/German artillery, mortar and anti-tank guns. Can I add them? [[User:Dudster32\|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32\|talk]]) 14:22, 14 March 2015 (EDT)
	:Mortars and some AT guns are often included in their own entries as we have pages for such weapons. Artillery and tanks screenshots can be put in Trivia section as it is done on numerous war movies pages. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 14:36, 14 March 2015 (EDT)		:Mortars and some AT guns are often included in their own entries as we have pages for such weapons. Artillery and tanks screenshots can be put in Trivia section as it is done on numerous war movies pages. [[User:Greg-Z\|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z\|talk]]) 14:36, 14 March 2015 (EDT)
			::Oki doki, trivia it is! :) [[User:Dudster32\|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32\|talk]]) 14:42, 14 March 2015 (EDT)

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	:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off corners rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off corners rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
	::You'd think they'd add a forward pistol grip to make up for the loss of the shoulder stock. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:31, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		::You'd think they'd add a forward pistol grip to make up for the loss of the shoulder stock. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:31, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
			:::I think the whole point of it was to make a weapon that was as small and non-snagging as possible to strap to your side during a parachute jump, or in the case of SOE use to conceal under clothing, so adding a forward grip would have been contrary to this. It was designed to be held by the heatshield (or by the magazine although this could cause jams and was discouraged) and at the ranges it was intended to be used I don't think a forward grip would have helped all that much. I don't know how this was slung, but it might have been the case that it was designed to be braced forward against the sling to stabilise it. On the topic, I have also seen Stens that have a rather nifty folding stock attached to the pistol grip sort of like the one used on the [[Carl Gustav M/45]], but contrary to what some sellers would ahve you believe I think these are all reproductions, with the real WWII version never really leaving the drawing board. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:50, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

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	Possibly this particular grip was favoured by the Polish 1st, with other units opting for different designs, [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 15:53, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		Possibly this particular grip was favoured by the Polish 1st, with other units opting for different designs, [[User:PeeWee055\|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055\|talk]]) 15:53, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
	:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off corners rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)		:That is not the same as the grip that is in the museum pic you posted though, it is one of the factory types that was used on the para/commondo/SOE Stens. This one is made from a flat bar us opposed to a hollow U section, and it has a squared off corners rather than being rounded. It appears closer to [https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/f41c6e4ff1e20ff3a0dec7a16ca5816d/large.jpg this one] which was one of the grips used on the experimental pistol-gripped Stens. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552\|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
			::You'd think they'd add a forward pistol grip to make up for the loss of the shoulder stock. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman\|talk]]) 17:31, 3 July 2014 (EDT)