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Slon95: /* Schuetzen Single Shot Rifle */

2021-09-20T17:23:45Z

Schuetzen Single Shot Rifle

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	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Comanche chief Maki-Moteh ([[Dusan Antonijevic]]) holds the single shot rifle in the climactic scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Comanche chief Maki-Moteh ([[Dusan Antonijevic]]) holds the single shot rifle in the climactic scene.]]

	== ~~''Schuetzen''~~ Single Shot Rifle ==		== Single Shot Rifle ==
	Comanche warriors also carry single shot rifles ~~that appear to be German ''Schuetzen'' Rifles with Martini Henry action~~. Rifles with both shortened hunting stocks and long military-style stocks are seen.		Comanche warriors also carry single shot rifles. Rifles with both shortened hunting stocks and long military-style stocks are seen. While its outlook resembles [[Martini-Henry]] rifles, it is break action guns, as it can be seen in ''[[Winnetou and the Crossbreed]]''.
			[[File:Sam Hawkens Liddy Rifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Sam Hawkens' "Liddy" rifle, as it appears on "[[Winnetou and the Crossbreed]]".]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle2-1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Maki-Moteh ([[Dusan Antonijevic]]) holds the rifle during the scene on McHara's farm.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle2-1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Maki-Moteh ([[Dusan Antonijevic]]) holds the rifle during the scene on McHara's farm.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle3-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|The rifles are seen at the background and at the right when Joe inspects the guns, sold to Comanches.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle3-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|The rifles are seen at the background and at the right when Joe inspects the guns, sold to Comanches.]]

Greg-Z at 09:13, 11 May 2021

2021-05-11T09:13:36Z

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	\|caption = ''Original German Theatrical Release Poster''		\|caption = ''Original German Theatrical Release Poster''
	\|country = [[Image:GER.jpg\|25px]] Germany<BR>[[Image:YUG.jpg\|25px]] Yugoslavia		\|country = [[Image:GER.jpg\|25px]] Germany<BR>[[Image:YUG.jpg\|25px]] Yugoslavia
	\|director =Alfred Vohrer		\|director =[[Alfred Vohrer]]
	\|date= 1965		\|date= 1965
	\|language =German		\|language =German
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	'''Old Surehand''' (original German title ''Old Surehand 1.Teil'', alternative English title ''Flaming Frontier'') is a 1965 Eurowestern directed by Alfred Vohrer. It is the eighth movie in ''Winnetou'' film series, based on the novels by Karl May. In ''Old Surehand'' Winnetou ([[Pierre Brice]]) and his friend Old Surehand ([[Stewart Granger]]) oppose Jack O'Neal ([[Larry Pennell]]), also known as "General", the leader of the gang of robbers and supposed murderer of Surehand's brother. When trying to get to the rich gold mine, located in Comanche tribe land, General provokes conflict that would wipe out Comanches. Old Surehand and Winnetou appear to be the only ones who can stop the war.		'''Old Surehand''' (original German title ''Old Surehand 1.Teil'', alternative English title ''Flaming Frontier'') is a 1965 Eurowestern directed by [[Alfred Vohrer]]. It is the eighth movie in ''Winnetou'' film series, based on the novels by Karl May. In ''Old Surehand'' Winnetou ([[Pierre Brice]]) and his friend Old Surehand ([[Stewart Granger]]) oppose Jack O'Neal ([[Larry Pennell]]), also known as "General", the leader of the gang of robbers and supposed murderer of Surehand's brother. When trying to get to the rich gold mine, located in Comanche tribe land, General provokes conflict that would wipe out Comanches. Old Surehand and Winnetou appear to be the only ones who can stop the war.

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Greg-Z: /* "The Silver Gun" */

2017-06-28T05:27:19Z

"The Silver Gun"

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	== "The Silver Gun" ==		== "The Silver Gun" ==
	The double barreled rifle, named "The Silver Gun", is Winnetou's ([[Pierre Brice]]) ~~iconic~~ weapon.		The double barreled rifle, named "The Silver Gun", is Winnetou's ([[Pierre Brice]]) signature weapon.
	[[File:~~Guns of~~ Winnetou ~~and Old Shatterhand~~.jpg\|thumb\|none\|~~300px~~\|~~From left to right: Winnetou's~~ "~~The~~ Silver ~~Gun~~" ~~and Old Shatterhand~~'~~s "The Bear Killer" and "Henry~~'~~s 25-shot" in Karl May Museum.~~]]		[[File:Winnetou Silver Gun.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Three screen "Silver Guns", used by Pierre Brice in ''Winnetou'' films]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-SilverGun-1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Winnetou holds his gun.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-SilverGun-1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Winnetou holds his gun.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-SilverGun-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Winnetou in the climactic scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-SilverGun-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Winnetou in the climactic scene.]]

Greg-Z: /* 1856 Enfield Two-Band Musket */

2017-06-25T18:04:59Z

1856 Enfield Two-Band Musket

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	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle2-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Comanche warrior at the left holds the rifle.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle2-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Comanche warrior at the left holds the rifle.]]

	== ~~1856 Enfield Two-Band Musket~~ ==		== Remington 1863 Zouave ==
	In the course of action General sells two hundred guns to Comanches. Many of them are Percussion Cap Muskets. Due to two barrel bands they appear to be ~~Pattern 1856 Army Short Rifle~~ (~~also called "Sergeant's Rifle"),~~ probably modern replica ~~by Chiappa Firearms~~.		In the course of action General sells two hundred guns to Comanches. Many of them are Percussion Cap Muskets. Due to two barrel bands they appear to be [[Remington 1863 Zouave]] (probably modern replica).
	[[~~File~~:~~Chiappa 1858 Enfield 2-Band Rifle~~.jpg\|thumb\|none\|~~400px\|Modern replica of 1856 Enfield Short~~ Rifle~~, manufactured by Chiappa Firearms~~ - .58]]		[[Image:Remingtonzouave.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|none\|Remington 1863 Zouave Rifle - .58 Minie ball]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle3-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|The row of percussion cap muskets is seen at the foreground.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle3-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|The row of percussion cap muskets is seen at the foreground.]]

Greg-Z: /* Percussion Cap Musket */

2017-06-25T17:52:41Z

Percussion Cap Musket

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	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle2-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Comanche warrior at the left holds the rifle.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle2-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A Comanche warrior at the left holds the rifle.]]

	== ~~Percussion Cap~~ Musket ==		== 1856 Enfield Two-Band Musket ==
	In the course of action General sells two hundred guns to Comanches. Many of them are Percussion Cap Muskets ~~of unknown model~~. ~~They have short barrels with~~ two barrel bands.		In the course of action General sells two hundred guns to Comanches. Many of them are Percussion Cap Muskets. Due to two barrel bands they appear to be Pattern 1856 Army Short Rifle (also called "Sergeant's Rifle"), probably modern replica by Chiappa Firearms.
			[[File:Chiappa 1858 Enfield 2-Band Rifle.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Modern replica of 1856 Enfield Short Rifle, manufactured by Chiappa Firearms - .58]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle3-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|The row of percussion cap muskets is seen at the foreground.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle3-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|The row of percussion cap muskets is seen at the foreground.]]

Greg-Z: /* Arminius HW-1S Revolver */ More actors IDed.

2017-06-24T19:45:31Z

Arminius HW-1S Revolver: More actors IDed.

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	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's second-in-command Joe ([[Voja Miric]]) holds the revolver. The grip is seen.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's second-in-command Joe ([[Voja Miric]]) holds the revolver. The grip is seen.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Joe draws the revolver on his boss.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Joe draws the revolver on his boss.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-9.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two of rebellious General's men hold him on gunpoint~~. The one at the right is~~ Blacky ([[Dani Segina]]).]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-9.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two of rebellious General's men hold him on gunpoint, Blacky ([[Dani Segina]]) at the right, Mike (stunt performer Luka Knezevic) at the left.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-8.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Capt. Miller (at the right) holds the revolver in the climactic scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-8.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Capt. Miller (at the right) holds the revolver in the climactic scene.]]

Greg-Z: /* Kipplaufbüchse Single Shot Rifle */

2017-06-24T19:42:18Z

Kipplaufbüchse Single Shot Rifle

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	[[File:Savage Model 219-30-30.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Savage Model 219 - .30-30. A good example of top-break single shot rifle, similar to the screen guns.]]		[[File:Savage Model 219-30-30.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Savage Model 219 - .30-30. A good example of top-break single shot rifle, similar to the screen guns.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A train passenger fires at bandits in the opening scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A train passenger fires at bandits in the opening scene.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two farmhands fire their rifles during the shootout on McHara's farm.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two farmhands (stunt performer Ivan Zenic at the left) fire their rifles during the shootout on McHara's farm.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Old Surehand stops McHara ([[Veljko Maricic]]) from firing at Comanche Tou-Wan ([[Sime Jagarinac]]). A townsperson at the far left also holds the single shot rifle.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Old Surehand stops McHara ([[Veljko Maricic]]) from firing at Comanche Tou-Wan ([[Sime Jagarinac]]). A townsperson at the far left also holds the single shot rifle.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-5.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Wabble ([[Milan Srdoc]]) in ambush.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-5.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Wabble ([[Milan Srdoc]]) in ambush.]]

Greg-Z: /* Arminius Revolver */

2017-06-14T08:58:13Z

Arminius Revolver

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	= Revolvers =		= Revolvers =
	== Arminius Revolver ==		== Arminius HW-1S Revolver ==
	Most handguns in the movie are 5-shot [[Arminius HW Revolver Series\|Arminius]] revolvers with 6" barrels. It appear to be the ~~same unclear model that is seen in ''[[Amongst_Vultures#Arminius_Revolver\|Amongst Vultures]]'', probably some~~ version of ~~blank- and gas-firing~~ HW-~~1 and HW-2 in 9mm K caliber~~. Gold prospector Ben O'Brian ([[Vladimir Medar]]), his niece Judith ([[Letícia Román]]) and US Army Capt. Miller ([[Erik Schumann]]) carry Arminius revolvers. These revolvers are also used by numerous bandits.		Most handguns in the movie are 5-shot [[Arminius HW Revolver Series\|Arminius]] revolvers with 6" barrels. It appear to be the long barreled version of HW-1S signal revolver. Gold prospector Ben O'Brian ([[Vladimir Medar]]), his niece Judith ([[Letícia Román]]) and US Army Capt. Miller ([[Erik Schumann]]) carry Arminius revolvers. These revolvers are also used by numerous bandits.
			[[File:Arminius-HW1S-LongBarrel.jpg\|thumb\|none\|300px\|Arminius HW-1S signal revolver with 6" barrel - 9mm Knall blank]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A bandit holds the Arminius revolver during the robbery of the train in the opening scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-1.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A bandit holds the Arminius revolver during the robbery of the train in the opening scene.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's henchmen Clinch ([[Dusan Janicijevic]]) and Cat ([[Nikola Gec]]) fire their revolvers during the shootout on McHara's farm.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's henchmen Clinch ([[Dusan Janicijevic]]) and Cat ([[Nikola Gec]]) fire their revolvers during the shootout on McHara's farm.]]

Greg-Z: /* Kipplaufbüchse Single Shot Rifle */

2017-06-12T19:12:58Z

Kipplaufbüchse Single Shot Rifle

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	== ''Kipplaufbüchse'' Single Shot Rifle ==		== ''Kipplaufbüchse'' Single Shot Rifle ==
	General's henchmen, local citisens, US Army cavalrymen and Comanche warriors carry single shot top-break hunting rifles. Such rifles were (and still are) produced by various manufacturers in Europe and America, often referred by the German term ''Kipplaufbüchse''.		General's henchmen, local citisens, US Army cavalrymen and Comanche warriors carry single shot top-break hunting rifles. Such rifles were (and still are) produced by various manufacturers in Europe and America, often referred by the German term ''Kipplaufbüchse''.
			[[File:Savage Model 219-30-30.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Savage Model 219 - .30-30. A good example of top-break single shot rifle, similar to the screen guns.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A train passenger fires at bandits in the opening scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A train passenger fires at bandits in the opening scene.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two farmhands fire their rifles during the shootout on McHara's farm.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two farmhands fire their rifles during the shootout on McHara's farm.]]

Greg-Z: /* Kipplaufbüchse Single Shot Rifle */

2017-06-07T17:11:09Z

Kipplaufbüchse Single Shot Rifle

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	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Old Surehand stops McHara ([[Veljko Maricic]]) from firing at Comanche Tou-Wan ([[Sime Jagarinac]]). A townsperson at the far left also holds the single shot rifle.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Old Surehand stops McHara ([[Veljko Maricic]]) from firing at Comanche Tou-Wan ([[Sime Jagarinac]]). A townsperson at the far left also holds the single shot rifle.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-5.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Wabble ([[Milan Srdoc]]) in ambush.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-5.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Wabble ([[Milan Srdoc]]) in ambush.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's henchman fires at Old Surehand.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's henchman (stunt performer Milan Milukjan) fires at Old Surehand.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Comanche chief Maki-Moteh ([[Dusan Antonijevic]]) holds the single shot rifle in the climactic scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Comanche chief Maki-Moteh ([[Dusan Antonijevic]]) holds the single shot rifle in the climactic scene.]]

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	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's second-in-command Joe ([[Voja Miric]]) holds the revolver. The grip is seen.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's second-in-command Joe ([[Voja Miric]]) holds the revolver. The grip is seen.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Joe draws the revolver on his boss.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Joe draws the revolver on his boss.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-9.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two of rebellious General's men hold him on gunpoint~~. The one at the right is~~ Blacky ([[Dani Segina]]).]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-9.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two of rebellious General's men hold him on gunpoint, Blacky ([[Dani Segina]]) at the right, Mike (stunt performer Luka Knezevic) at the left.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-8.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Capt. Miller (at the right) holds the revolver in the climactic scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Arminius-8.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Capt. Miller (at the right) holds the revolver in the climactic scene.]]

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	[[File:Savage Model 219-30-30.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Savage Model 219 - .30-30. A good example of top-break single shot rifle, similar to the screen guns.]]		[[File:Savage Model 219-30-30.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Savage Model 219 - .30-30. A good example of top-break single shot rifle, similar to the screen guns.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A train passenger fires at bandits in the opening scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-2.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|A train passenger fires at bandits in the opening scene.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two farmhands fire their rifles during the shootout on McHara's farm.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-3.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Two farmhands (stunt performer Ivan Zenic at the left) fire their rifles during the shootout on McHara's farm.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Old Surehand stops McHara ([[Veljko Maricic]]) from firing at Comanche Tou-Wan ([[Sime Jagarinac]]). A townsperson at the far left also holds the single shot rifle.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Old Surehand stops McHara ([[Veljko Maricic]]) from firing at Comanche Tou-Wan ([[Sime Jagarinac]]). A townsperson at the far left also holds the single shot rifle.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-5.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Wabble ([[Milan Srdoc]]) in ambush.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-5.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Wabble ([[Milan Srdoc]]) in ambush.]]

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	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Old Surehand stops McHara ([[Veljko Maricic]]) from firing at Comanche Tou-Wan ([[Sime Jagarinac]]). A townsperson at the far left also holds the single shot rifle.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-4.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Old Surehand stops McHara ([[Veljko Maricic]]) from firing at Comanche Tou-Wan ([[Sime Jagarinac]]). A townsperson at the far left also holds the single shot rifle.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-5.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Wabble ([[Milan Srdoc]]) in ambush.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-5.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Wabble ([[Milan Srdoc]]) in ambush.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's henchman fires at Old Surehand.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-6.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|General's henchman (stunt performer Milan Milukjan) fires at Old Surehand.]]
	[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Comanche chief Maki-Moteh ([[Dusan Antonijevic]]) holds the single shot rifle in the climactic scene.]]		[[File:Old Surehand-Rifle1-7.jpg\|thumb\|none\|600px\|Comanche chief Maki-Moteh ([[Dusan Antonijevic]]) holds the single shot rifle in the climactic scene.]]