Enfield SA80 - Revision history

Pustelga7: /* Television */

2023-10-15T00:47:31Z

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Pustelga7 at 18:32, 26 September 2023

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VladVladson: double word

2023-09-07T16:55:34Z

double word

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	The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons which are, officially, the standard rifle of the British army. Designed on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to 1988 by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock. In 1988 production of the rifle was transferred to the Royal Ordnance's Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace, Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions & Ordnance) till production ceased in 1994.		The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons which are, officially, the standard rifle of the British army. Designed on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to 1988 by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock. In 1988 production of the rifle was transferred to the Royal Ordnance's Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace, Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions & Ordnance) till production ceased in 1994.

	The stacking of many issues including its design teams lacking any prior firearms experience (even firing), cheating at trials, a target production cost half that of other modern rifles, being manufactured by workers who knew their employer would be closed regardless leading to low effort production, and the replacement factory having no experience in firearms manufacturing resulted in an extremely unreliable firearm, to the point an internal British Ministry of Defence report noted "Most [users] expected a stoppage in the first magazine fired". These issues would eventually become so widely known that in 2000 [[Heckler & Koch]] was ~~contracted~~ contracted to upgrade existing stock into the L86A2, a process which cost nearly the price of an entirely new rifle. This and further upgrades resulted in a rifle that was functional, but extremely heavy for its cartridge. No further units have been procured since production of the original ended in 1994, and British special forces avoid its use in favor of imported rifles.		The stacking of many issues including its design teams lacking any prior firearms experience (even firing), cheating at trials, a target production cost half that of other modern rifles, being manufactured by workers who knew their employer would be closed regardless leading to low effort production, and the replacement factory having no experience in firearms manufacturing resulted in an extremely unreliable firearm, to the point an internal British Ministry of Defence report noted "Most [users] expected a stoppage in the first magazine fired". These issues would eventually become so widely known that in 2000 [[Heckler & Koch]] was contracted to upgrade existing stock into the L86A2, a process which cost nearly the price of an entirely new rifle. This and further upgrades resulted in a rifle that was functional, but extremely heavy for its cartridge. No further units have been procured since production of the original ended in 1994, and British special forces avoid its use in favor of imported rifles.

	Nearly all SA80s have been issued with magnified optics, allowing official sources to make a spurious claim of high accuracy by comparing the ''practical'' accuracy of the scoped rifle to scopeless rifles. Initially all were issued the fixed 4x power SUSAT, but in 2011 complaints this was ill suited to close quarters combat led to the SUSAT being supplemented by the ELCAN Specter, which could swap between a 4x power and slightly above 1x power. Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only.		Nearly all SA80s have been issued with magnified optics, allowing official sources to make a spurious claim of high accuracy by comparing the ''practical'' accuracy of the scoped rifle to scopeless rifles. Initially all were issued the fixed 4x power SUSAT, but in 2011 complaints this was ill suited to close quarters combat led to the SUSAT being supplemented by the ELCAN Specter, which could swap between a 4x power and slightly above 1x power. Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only.

Pyr0m4n14c: /* SA80 AFV Prototype */ I somehow feel like that was intentional.

2023-07-26T13:23:11Z

SA80 AFV Prototype: I somehow feel like that was intentional.

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	[[Image:Sa80-l22a1.jpg\|thumb\|right\|400px\|SA80 AFV prototype with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]		[[Image:Sa80-l22a1.jpg\|thumb\|right\|400px\|SA80 AFV prototype with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

	In 1989, Enfield speculatively produced a shortened variant of the SA80 for potential use by vehicle crews and other troops not requiring a full length rifle. Contrary to internet lore, these were not built from surplus L86A1s, as shown by the lack of the LSW bipod outrigger holes in the receiver, and are instead built from standard L85A1 receivers. This confusion possibly comes from the fact that the vertical grip is the same as the rear grip from an LSW. The weapon proved very unreliable (more so even than standard ~~LB5A1s~~) due to issues with shortening the gas system that were never fully resolved.		In 1989, Enfield speculatively produced a shortened variant of the SA80 for potential use by vehicle crews and other troops not requiring a full length rifle. Contrary to internet lore, these were not built from surplus L86A1s, as shown by the lack of the LSW bipod outrigger holes in the receiver, and are instead built from standard L85A1 receivers. This confusion possibly comes from the fact that the vertical grip is the same as the rear grip from an LSW. The weapon proved very unreliable (more so even than standard L85A1s) due to issues with shortening the gas system that were never fully resolved.

	The SA80 AFV prototype was not made for a specific MOD requirement and saw little, if any, official testing by British forces. Supposedly, a small batch was produced for trials by an unspecified Middle Eastern country, however these weapons were destroyed in a warehouse fire. The only surviving examples of this weapon bear commercial Enfield markings rather than British military markings, giving some credence to this story.		The SA80 AFV prototype was not made for a specific MOD requirement and saw little, if any, official testing by British forces. Supposedly, a small batch was produced for trials by an unspecified Middle Eastern country, however these weapons were destroyed in a warehouse fire. The only surviving examples of this weapon bear commercial Enfield markings rather than British military markings, giving some credence to this story.

PyramidHead: /* SA80 AFV Prototype */

2023-07-26T06:15:18Z

SA80 AFV Prototype

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	[[Image:Sa80-l22a1.jpg\|thumb\|right\|400px\|SA80 AFV prototype with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]		[[Image:Sa80-l22a1.jpg\|thumb\|right\|400px\|SA80 AFV prototype with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

	In 1989 Enfield speculatively produced a shortened variant of the SA80 for potential use by ~~vehcile~~ crews and other troops not requiring a full length rifle. Contrary to internet lore these were not built from surplus L86A1s, as shown by the lack of the LSW bipod outrigger holes in the receiver, and are instead built from standard L85A1 receivers. This confusion possibly comes from the fact that the vertical grip is the same as the rear grip from an LSW. The weapon proved very unreliable (~~moreso~~ even than standard ~~A1 SA80s~~) due to issues with shortening the gas system that were never fully resolved.		In 1989, Enfield speculatively produced a shortened variant of the SA80 for potential use by vehicle crews and other troops not requiring a full length rifle. Contrary to internet lore, these were not built from surplus L86A1s, as shown by the lack of the LSW bipod outrigger holes in the receiver, and are instead built from standard L85A1 receivers. This confusion possibly comes from the fact that the vertical grip is the same as the rear grip from an LSW. The weapon proved very unreliable (more so even than standard LB5A1s) due to issues with shortening the gas system that were never fully resolved.

	The SA80 AFV prototype was not made for a specific MOD requirement and saw little, if any, official testing by British forces. Supposedly a small batch was produced for ~~trialls~~ by an unspecified ~~middle eastern~~ country, however these weapons were destroyed in a warehouse fire. The only surviving examples of this weapon bear commercial Enfield markings rather than British military markings giving some credence to this story.		The SA80 AFV prototype was not made for a specific MOD requirement and saw little, if any, official testing by British forces. Supposedly, a small batch was produced for trials by an unspecified Middle Eastern country, however these weapons were destroyed in a warehouse fire. The only surviving examples of this weapon bear commercial Enfield markings rather than British military markings, giving some credence to this story.

	With the introduction of the L22A2 this weapon has been been retroactively referred to as the '''L22A1''' (even in Ministry of Defence documentation) and is often referred to as such - however this is incorrect as it was never close to adoption and being given an official 'L' designation, being known only as an SA80 AFV or Armoured Fighting Vehicle.		With the introduction of the L22A2 this weapon has been been retroactively referred to as the '''L22A1''' (even in Ministry of Defence documentation) and is often referred to as such - however this is incorrect as it was never close to adoption and being given an official 'L' designation, being known only as an SA80 AFV or Armoured Fighting Vehicle.

Pustelga7: /* Television */

2023-07-25T20:18:06Z

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VladVladson: The fact that it is, nominally, the standard British rifle wasn't mentioned. It now is, with caveats

2023-07-08T05:35:08Z

The fact that it is, nominally, the standard British rifle wasn't mentioned. It now is, with caveats

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	The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons ~~designed~~ on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to 1988 by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock. In 1988 production of the rifle was transferred to the Royal Ordnance's Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace, Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions & Ordnance) till production ceased in 1994.		The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons which are, officially, the standard rifle of the British army. Designed on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to 1988 by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock. In 1988 production of the rifle was transferred to the Royal Ordnance's Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace, Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions & Ordnance) till production ceased in 1994.

	The stacking of many issues including its design teams lacking any prior firearms experience (even firing), cheating at trials, a target production cost half that of other modern rifles, being manufactured by workers who knew their employer would be closed regardless leading to low effort production, and the replacement factory having no experience in firearms manufacturing resulted in an extremely unreliable firearm, to the point an internal British Ministry of Defence report noted "Most [users] expected a stoppage in the first magazine fired". These issues would eventually become so widely known that in 2000 [[Heckler & Koch]] was contracted contracted to upgrade existing stock into the L86A2, a process which cost nearly the price of an entirely new rifle. This and further upgrades resulted in a rifle that was functional, but extremely heavy for its cartridge.		The stacking of many issues including its design teams lacking any prior firearms experience (even firing), cheating at trials, a target production cost half that of other modern rifles, being manufactured by workers who knew their employer would be closed regardless leading to low effort production, and the replacement factory having no experience in firearms manufacturing resulted in an extremely unreliable firearm, to the point an internal British Ministry of Defence report noted "Most [users] expected a stoppage in the first magazine fired". These issues would eventually become so widely known that in 2000 [[Heckler & Koch]] was contracted contracted to upgrade existing stock into the L86A2, a process which cost nearly the price of an entirely new rifle. This and further upgrades resulted in a rifle that was functional, but extremely heavy for its cartridge. No further units have been procured since production of the original ended in 1994, and British special forces avoid its use in favor of imported rifles.

	Nearly all SA80s have been issued with magnified optics, allowing official sources to make a spurious claim of high accuracy by comparing the ''practical'' accuracy of the scoped rifle to scopeless rifles. Initially all were issued the fixed 4x power SUSAT, but in 2011 complaints this was ill suited to close quarters combat led to the SUSAT being supplemented by the ELCAN Specter, which could swap between a 4x power and slightly above 1x power. Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only.		Nearly all SA80s have been issued with magnified optics, allowing official sources to make a spurious claim of high accuracy by comparing the ''practical'' accuracy of the scoped rifle to scopeless rifles. Initially all were issued the fixed 4x power SUSAT, but in 2011 complaints this was ill suited to close quarters combat led to the SUSAT being supplemented by the ELCAN Specter, which could swap between a 4x power and slightly above 1x power. Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only.

VladVladson: Expanded to give note of history to note the reliability (which was alluded to, but not cleanly summarized, under individual models), and noted the optics its issued with.

2023-06-23T19:02:19Z

Expanded to give note of history to note the reliability (which was alluded to, but not cleanly summarized, under individual models), and noted the optics its issued with.

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	The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons designed on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to ~~1994~~ by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock.		The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons designed on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to 1988 by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock. In 1988 production of the rifle was transferred to the Royal Ordnance's Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace, Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions & Ordnance) till production ceased in 1994.

	~~In 1988~~ production of the ~~rifle~~ was ~~transferred~~ to the ~~Royal Ordnance's Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace~~, ~~Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions & Ordnance)~~.		The stacking of many issues including its design teams lacking any prior firearms experience (even firing), cheating at trials, a target production cost half that of other modern rifles, being manufactured by workers who knew their employer would be closed regardless leading to low effort production, and the replacement factory having no experience in firearms manufacturing resulted in an extremely unreliable firearm, to the point an internal British Ministry of Defence report noted "Most [users] expected a stoppage in the first magazine fired". These issues would eventually become so widely known that in 2000 [[Heckler & Koch]] was contracted contracted to upgrade existing stock into the L86A2, a process which cost nearly the price of an entirely new rifle. This and further upgrades resulted in a rifle that was functional, but extremely heavy for its cartridge.

	Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only.		Nearly all SA80s have been issued with magnified optics, allowing official sources to make a spurious claim of high accuracy by comparing the ''practical'' accuracy of the scoped rifle to scopeless rifles. Initially all were issued the fixed 4x power SUSAT, but in 2011 complaints this was ill suited to close quarters combat led to the SUSAT being supplemented by the ELCAN Specter, which could swap between a 4x power and slightly above 1x power. Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only.

	'''The SA80 can be seen in the following films, television series, anime and video games used by the following actors:'''		'''The SA80 can be seen in the following films, television series, anime and video games used by the following actors:'''