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Talk:Hombre

2020-07-18T12:08:09Z

Yobtaf: /* Paul Newman's Winchester */

No pics? That's a disappointment. Doing this from memory because my DVD of this movie is in storage with most of my others, but I do believe that Newman's character John Russell carried a double action revolver. I thought it was maybe an 1878 in .45 Colt (or .44-40) rather than a Lightening or Thunderer, but I'd have to see it again. Of course, this being Hollywood, it could even have been something like a mocked-up variation of a 1892 model DA. My take on the gun the corrupt Indian agent carried was either a S&W or H&R DA in .38 S&W caliber. But it's just a guess without seeing the DVD and being able to zoom in on it.

The double action appears only in the last scene. Apparently Newman couldn't fire a single action fast enough. You're not supposed to notice the switch. During the rest of the movie he carries a Colt Single Action with a 7 1/2" barrel.

I'm sitting here watching this movie right now and I came on here just to figure out what rifle Newman is carrying. It sure doesn't look like a Winchester 73 to me. For one thing the barrel isn't ocatagonal and there's nothing underneath (that's the extractor right?). The sample Winchester and the screenshot don't even look the same to me.

== Paul Newman's Winchester ==

It definitely is an 1873 Winchester in .44-40 caliber. It is owned by Peter Sherayko of Caravan West Productions who acquired it in the late 1980s from 20th Century Fox. The bottom of the receiver is stamped “20TH FOX”.

The rifle was manufactured in 1909 in .44-40 caliber with a heavy, round barrel and full-length magazine tube. Sometime during its life the barrel and magazine tube were shortened, giving it the appearance of a Winchester Sporting Model with a “button” magazine. It is unknown if this was done before or after being acquired by 20th Century Fox.

I have examined the rifle and taken detailed photos for an article I intend to publish in an upcoming issue of The Winchester Collector magazine. The rifle has a cracked wooden forend, is missing parts, and has been roughly welded to make repairs. Surprisingly, it was in this condition during filming but the imperfections are not obvious even on a large movie screen. Close examination of a high-definition DVD of the film confirmed that the imperfections were there during filming.

The photo of the 1873 Winchester with a short (button) magazine is not correct for this page because it is a factory configuration with full-length barrel. I have an excellent photo of the actual rifle but when I try to upload it I get an error message saying it's too large even though the file size is less than 2MB.

Hombre

2020-07-18T11:27:17Z

Yobtaf: /* Winchester 1873 */

[[Image:Hombre.jpg|thumb|right|300px| ''Hombre'' (1967)]]

'''''Hombre''''' is the classic 1967 Western starring [[Paul Newman]] as John Russell, a white man raised by Apache Indians who now must try to assimilate back into the non-Indian culture. After selling away his inheritance and putting out some townsfolk, he finds himself riding out of town with the very same people. When the stagecoach is ambushed, the passengers must now depend on Russell to survive. The film was the sixth collaboration between Newman and director [[Martin Ritt]] (''[[Hud]]'') and was based on a novel by [[Elmore Leonard]].

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=Rifles=
== Winchester 1873 ==
John Russell ([[Paul Newman]]) carries a [[Winchester Model 1873]] rifle that has been modified with a shortened barrel and magazine as his primary weapon in the film.
[[File:1873shortmag.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1873 with short magazine]]
[[Image:Hombre_1876.jpg|thumb|none|602px|John Russell ([[Paul Newman]]) carries a [[Winchester Model 1873]] at the film's beginning.]]
[[Image:Hombre 08.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Russell aims the Winchester.]]
[[Image:Hombre 18.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Russell holds the Winchester.]]
[[Image:Hombre_1876_Receiver.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Shows the top of the receiver on rifle of John Russell ([[Paul Newman]]).]]

== Winchester 1892 ==
Members of Cicero's gang are seen using the [[Winchester Model 1892]] rifle.
[[Image:WinchesterModel1892.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine - .32WCF/.38-40/.44-40/.25-20.]]
[[Image:Hombre 20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Mexican Bandit (Frank Silvera) takes aim with an 1892 saddle ring Winchester.]]
[[Image:Hombre 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Indians (Pete Hernandez) and (Merrill C Isbell) brandish Winchester 1892 rifles.]]

=Handguns=
== Single Action Army ==
The Colt [[Single Action Army]] is the most prominently used gun by most of the characters including John Russell ([[Paul Newman]]) and Cicero ([[Richard Boone]]).
[[Image:ColtSAA2ndGenNickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|2nd Generation Colt Single Action Army w/ 7.5" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model - Nickel plated model - .45 LC]]
[[Image:Hombre 910.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Cicero ([[Richard Boone]]) holds the revolver that was carried by John Russell ([[Paul Newman]]).]]
[[Image:Hombre 03.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Cicero ([[Richard Boone]]) points John's [[Single Action Army]] at the stagecoach passengers, Mendez ([[Martin Balsam]]), Doris (Margaret Blye), Billy Lee ([[Peter Lazer]]), Audra Favor (Barbara Rush), Dr Alex Favor ([[Fredric March]]), Jessie (Diane Cilento) and John Russell ([[Paul Newman]]).]]
[[Image:Hombre 10.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Jessie (Diane Cilento) and Mendez ([[Martin Balsam]]) watch John Russell ([[Paul Newman]]) recover his [[Single Action Army]].]]
[[Image:ColtSAA475barrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 4.75" barrel, case colored and blued, referred to as "Quick-Draw" or "Civilian" model. ]]
[[Image:Hombre 05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Cicero Grimes ([[Richard Boone]]) stands to the left of Lamar Dean ([[David Canary]]) who is holding the SAA Quickdraw. Frank Braden ([[Cameron Mitchell]]) holds a [[Single Action Army]] on the passengers.]]
[[Image:Hombre 909.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Frank Braden ([[Cameron Mitchell]]) holds his [[Single Action Army]] on the passengers.]]
[[Image:Hombre 14.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Mexican Bandit ([[Frank Silvera]]) holds a [[Single Action Army]] revolver.]]
[[Image:Hombre 503.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Cicero ([[Richard Boone]]) holds a [[Single Action Army]] during the final standoff.]]

== Colt Lightning Shopkeeper ==
When Cicero ([[Richard Boone]]) and his gang robs the stagecoach, they find what appears to be a [[Colt Lightning]] Shopkeeper revolver on Dr. Favor ([[Fredric March]]).
[[Image:DSC02878.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Lightning, Shopkeeper model]]
[[Image:Hombre 29.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lamar Dean ([[David Canary]]) finds Dr. Favor's Colt.]]
[[Image:Hombre 25.jpg|thumb|none|601px| John Russell collects Dr Favor's [[Colt Lightning]] Shopkeeper revolver.]]

== Movie prop Colt Police Positive ==

In the final confrontation, Russell's Single Action Army appears to have been replaced in some shots with a double-action, modern [[Colt Police Positive]] revolver modified to resemble the SAA. This kind of prop was frequently used in Westerns (see the Police Positive below), when a [[Single Action Army]] was required to be discharged with the speed required by the script.
[[Image:Hollywood.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Police Positive, modified to look like a Colt SAA]]
[[Image:Hombre_509.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Russell appears to have fire his revolver in a rapid succession.]]
[[Image:Homb 54.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In the final confrontation, the revolver seen here appears to be a double-action, modern [[Colt Police Positive]]) revolver modified to resemble the SAA.]]

=Shotguns=
== Coach Shotgun ==
Henry Mendez ([[Martin Balsam]]) carries a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Double Barreled Coach Shotgun]] in the film.
[[Image:Colt1878.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 1878 reproduction - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Hombre 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Henry Mendez ([[Martin Balsam]]) with his [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Double Barreled Coach Shotgun]]. ]]
[[Image:Hombre 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry Mendez ([[Martin Balsam]]) takes aim at the bandits.]]
[[Image:Hombre 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lamar Dean ([[David Canary]]) holds the Coach shotgun.]]
[[Image:Hombre 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the double hammers.]]

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Talk:Hombre

2016-10-19T14:56:01Z

Yobtaf: /* Paul Newman's Winchester */

No pics? That's a disappointment. Doing this from memory because my DVD of this movie is in storage with most of my others, but I do believe that Newman's character John Russell carried a double action revolver. I thought it was maybe an 1878 in .45 Colt (or .44-40) rather than a Lightening or Thunderer, but I'd have to see it again. Of course, this being Hollywood, it could even have been something like a mocked-up variation of a 1892 model DA. My take on the gun the corrupt Indian agent carried was either a S&W or H&R DA in .38 S&W caliber. But it's just a guess without seeing the DVD and being able to zoom in on it.

The double action appears only in the last scene. Apparently Newman couldn't fire a single action fast enough. You're not supposed to notice the switch. During the rest of the movie he carries a Colt Single Action with a 7 1/2" barrel.

I'm sitting here watching this movie right now and I came on here just to figure out what rifle Newman is carrying. It sure doesn't look like a Winchester 73 to me. For one thing the barrel isn't ocatagonal and there's nothing underneath (that's the extractor right?). The sample Winchester and the screenshot don't even look the same to me.

== Paul Newman's Winchester ==

It definitely is an 1873 Winchester in .44-40 caliber. It is owned by Peter Sherayko of Caravan West Productions who acquired it in the late 1980s from 20th Century Fox. The bottom of the receiver is stamped “20TH FOX”.

The rifle was manufactured in 1909 in .44-40 caliber with a heavy, round barrel and full-length magazine tube. Sometime during its life the barrel and magazine tube were shortened, giving it the appearance of a Winchester Sporting Model with a “button” magazine. It is unknown if this was done before or after being acquired by 20th Century Fox.

I have examined the rifle and taken detailed photos for an article I intend to publish in an upcoming issue of The Winchester Collector magazine. The rifle has a cracked wooden forend, is missing parts, and has been roughly welded to make repairs. Surprisingly, it was in this condition during filming but the imperfections are not obvious even on a large movie screen. Close examination of a high-definition DVD of the film confirmed that the imperfections were there during filming.

The photo of the 1873 Winchester used in the article is a poor example. I am able to provide photos of the actual rifle used by Paul Newman but am unable to figure out how to embed them.

Talk:Hombre

2016-10-19T14:53:49Z

Yobtaf: /* Paul Newman's Winchester */ new section

Hombre

2014-02-19T14:36:40Z

Yobtaf: The Winchester carried by Paul Newman was mis-identified. It is an 1873.

Breaker Morant

2011-07-08T14:21:58Z

Yobtaf: Rifle is not Lee Enfield SMLE Mk. 1

[[Image:BigBreak.jpg|thumb|right|300px| ''Breaker Morant'' (1980)]]

''Breaker Morant'' is a 1980 Australian war film based on the well known play of the same name by Australian playwright Kenneth Ross. The film involves the court martial of Lieutenants Harry 'Breaker' Morant ([[Edward Woodward]]), Peter Handcock ([[Bryan Brown]]) and George Ramsdale Witton ([[Lewis Fitz-Gerald]]) . The three officers were Australians serving in the British Army with a special unit called the Bushveldt Carbineers during the The Second Boer War (1899 - 1902). Which is more commonly known as The Boer War. They were charged with the murders of several Boer prisoners of war and a German missionary. Morant and Handcock were found guilty and executed by firing squad on February 27, 1902. Witton served several years in prison and was later released. There is still much controversy surrounding the court martial and Lt. Harry 'Breaker' Morant in particular. Morant was called Breaker because he used to "break" wild horses before joining the army.

'''The following firearms can be seen in ''Breaker Morant'':'''
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'''WARNING:SPOILERS!!'''
=Revolvers=

== Webley Mk VI Revolver ==
The [[Webley Mk VI|Webley Mk VI Revolver]] is used by both the British and Australian officers.
[[Image:Webley.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Webley Mk. VI - .455 Webley]]
[[Image:Break28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lieutenants Morant ([[Edward Woodward]]) and Handcock ([[Bryan Brown]]) have a quick conference before attacking a Boer encampment.]]
[[Image:Break2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Bushveldt Carbineers attack the Boer encampment.]]
[[Image:Break3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. Morant ([[Edward Woodward]]) in action with his [[Webley Mk VI|Webley Mk VI Revolver]].]]
[[Image:Break20.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Break21.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Remington 1875 Revolver==
[[Remington 1875|Remington 1875 revolver]] is used by a Boer Commando during the raid on the British fort.
[[Image:Remington1875Q&D.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 1875 revolver - 45 Colt]]
[[Image:Break22.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Colt SAA==
A [[Single Action Army|Colt Single Action Army]] is used by a Boer Commando during a night ambush of Australian soldiers.
[[Image:ColtSAA475barrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 4.75" barrel.]]
[[Image:Break5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Boers during the night ambush of Captain Hunt and his patrol.]]

=Pistols=

==Mauser C96==

A [[Mauser C96]] semiautomatic pistol is briefly shown carried by the Boer who is shot by Captain Hunt as he lies wounded during the opening ambush.
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A pre-war commercial C96.]]
[[Image:NB4d.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The best image I could screencap of the [[Mauser C96]] used by the Boer Commando shot by Captain Hunt.]]

=Rifles=

==Lee Metford Rifle==
The [[Lee MetfordI Rifle]] is used by both the Australian and British soldiers throughout the movie. It is also shown being used by some of the Boer Commandos. This is historically accurate. As the war dragged on the Boers were forced to use captured British weapons.
[[Image:Leemk1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Lee-Enfield Mk.I - .303 British. In service between 1888–1926]
[[Image:NB1a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Australian soldiers in action during the night ambush.]]
[[Image:Break14.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lts. Morant ([[Edward Woodward]]) and Handcock ([[Bryan Brown]])in action with [[Lee Metford Rifle]] during a Boer attack on the British fort.]]
[[Image:Break27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. George Ramsdale Witton ([[Lewis Fitz-Gerald]]) in action with a [[Lee Metford Rifle]] during the Boer attack on the British fort.]]
[[Image:Break15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of the [[Lee Metford]] while a British soldier loads a single cartridge.]]
[[Image:Break16.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Ready, Aim, Fire!"]]

==Mauser 1895 Rifle==
Used by the Boer Commandos throughout the movie. It appears that they are using the [[Mauser Rifle Series|Spanish Mauser 1895 Rifle]]
[[Image:Mauser 1895 Rifle Chile.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mauser 1895 Rifle - 7x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:NB3c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another Boer and his Mauser during the ambush.]]
[[Image:Break8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Boers prepare for the morning raid on the British fort.]]
[[Image:Break23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Break25.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Mauser 1895 Carbine==
One of the Boer Commandos can be seen using a Mauser 1895 carbine, identifiable by its front sight protective wings, during the night-time ambush.

[[Image:Chil95car1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mauser 1895 Carbine - 7x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:NB2b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the Boer Commandos during the night ambush.]]

=Machine Guns=

==Maxim Gun==
Morant ([[Edward Woodward]]) and his men use a [[Maxim|Maxim Machine Gun]] with great effectiveness against Boer Commandos during an attack on the British fort.
[[Image:Maxim1895.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Maxim 1895 on tripod]]
[[Image:Break24.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Morant([[Edward Woodward]]), Handcock([[Bryan Brown]]) and Witton([[Lewis Fitz-Gerald]]) take cover in the arsenal when a Boer commando throws a stick of dynamite at them. Note the [[Maxim|Maxim Gun]] in the background.]]
[[Image:Break26.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Morant ([[Edward Woodward]]) with Handcock ([[Bryan Brown]]) acting as his loader proceed to massacre the Boer attackers.]]
[[Image:Break9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another action shot.]]
[[Image:Break12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The three prisoners along with one of their British guards drive off the Boers.]]

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