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Stalingrad (1993)

2010-07-18T20:07:09Z

WhiteSlift:

Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops

2010-05-27T11:58:41Z

WhiteSlift:

This game has a cold war look to it

== Not an AK-47 ==
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the mag isn't curved enough to be a 7.62x39 mag? It could be a -74 prototype, without the flash hider. Given the time frame, this may make sense.

Thanks for that, I also didn't note it before. It looks to be a WASR-2/3.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:19, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

:This game seems to have a lot of rendering issues when it comes to the guns [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:40, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
OMG it is damn videogame for god's sake, the guns aren't real and are nothing more than 3d drawings -of course they aren't going to be exactly like such and such gun. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 17:08, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

'''3D drawning''' ? Hell, that would be interesting. And GTFO, this is '''firearms site''' and ''YES'', we care about reality. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 17:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks for pointing that out. We are a gun site and we pay attention to details. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:24, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Well guess what, THESE ARENT GUNS!!! They aren't effing real they are nothing more than 3d models that someone threw together in 3DS MAX or whatever the hell they use so of course its not going to be up to every detail, That's why I don't do VG pages anymore--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

::You appear to have missed the point of this website...

== Degtyarov ==
It just cant be DPM. Lok - It totally doesnt have ironsights - And MAG isnt on top. + Its very unlikely some guy will cary Spas12 and Degtyarev. I just think its some AK type - Or it may be some different gun, but it isnt Degtyarev.
You may keep it there, but it will be false information.

==ummmm==
This page really needs a cleanup or a deletion.
There is also too much informal talk on the page itself, infact all of it is. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 04:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

===Moved from main page--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 04:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)===
== AR-10 ==

Another unknown M16 family gun. But this one seems more like [[Armalite AR-10]] A4

[[Image:AR10-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armalite AR-10 A4 7.62x51mm.]]
[[Image:AR10.JPG|thumb|none|400px|M16 Family unknown gun as appeared in Black Ops teaser.]]

:The magazine seems too long to be an AR-10

Also the AR10 is a civilian gun right? So why would special forces like that guy above be holding it? I personally think its an M16(either A1 or A2) with a scope attached to its carrying handle/iron sight.

:It's a strange AR-15 Carbine with a flat top [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

== Un-identified guns ==

[[Image:MP5G3.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Un-identified gun '''1''' : Possibly [[MP5]] or [[G3]].]]
[[Image:UNKNOWNLOL.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Un-identified gun '''2''' : I totally dont know.But it may be some russian one.]]
[[Image:UNKNOWN THE MOST.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Un-identified gun '''4''' : Its hard to tell which gun this one is, but it looks like [[Beretta AR-70/223]] or Daewoo K2. I think that this gun could be any gun I see and AK there but it could be a siper rifle for all we know]]
As to the first unknown gun, it's too short to be a G3, so I believe it's an MP5. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== RPK ==

From the looks of it, it might be an RPK-74. Note the 45-round banana mag and the flash suppressor.

The "RPK" and the "Valmet" are the same guns - look carefully at the screenshot. Given that the 7.62mm AK-47 appears in game and the timeline, I'm gonna say that it's not an RPK-74, but a 7.62x39mm RPK or one made to look like a Valmet for some reason. Maybe Treyarch modelers are using 80's action movies as a reference for their RPK model. *shakes head*

No. Look on that "RPK" an you will see typical RPK stock. Look on "Valmet" and you will see it doesnt look like Valmet :)--[[User:Werc|Werc]] 03:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

==M1911==

In the title screen there is a soldier holding a 1911 i believe it also says something on the side.

It says "Sally" on the slide.

The 1911 looks more like the first and not the A1, look at the ejection port.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:17, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Wait... ==
Upcoming CoD,what what what?!
--[[Special:Contributions/76.235.34.31|76.235.34.31]] 02:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== good decision ==

As well as Weapon customization there will also be a character customization feature.
- That game is gonna be just awesome. Character customization ? Damn, just in R6:V style (ha-ha)

* Custom characters? hell yeah --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 00:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
i agree with that customization policy, i liked how in R6V2 they did that, and i can only hope they bring back CoD4s M4A1 Grenadier back, and i also completely agree with the historic battle/ war thing as compared to a (***Spoiler) nuclear warfare and a domestic terrorist plot, i would much rather see Black Hawk Down pop up in a newer game as opposed to Vietnam, but i would settle for a Operation Acid Gambit type game also.

Customizable characters in a game where... you can't actually ''see'' the character? FAIL.
* Customizable characters in game where will be 3rd person mode, and where other players can see it ? Your post '''fail'''.
:When did Black Ops become third person? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

It isn't. He's saying that other characters will see your 3rd person form. Also, it's noteworthy that MW2 DID have third person mode.
:So then I've gotta agree. Character customization in a game where you can't actually see your guy seems like a fail to me, too. It's not like anybody in MP is really gonna stop shooting at you to say "hey, cool guy, what kind of vest is that?" And how do I activate this third person mode in MW2? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== MP5k ==

You think they're putting that in there to copy MW2?
:No I think they're doing it to fulfill their MP5 quota. MW2 wasn't the first game to feature the MP5K, broski.-protoAuthor 00:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about that. They also have an AUG in the game and a SPAS-12. Not a coincidence that MW2 also has these. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

- Heh. Spas and AUG were in tons of other games. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 05:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

But THIS game is directly part of the COD franchise. It's a bit repetitive to show guns that has been in previous games. Well ok WWII games don't count because they cant help having the same guns, but this is supposed to be Treyarch's turn at making a new game, but so far, none of the weapons are new. What about instead of the SPAS-12, we get an 870, or instead of the AUG, we get...any other bullpup rifle of the time. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I derinitely think they're putting the MP5k in to copy MW2. They could have put in any other variant of the MP5, variants that weren't in prototype stage and would probably be more combat effective, but they went with the k variant. That said I don't think it's any coincidence the SPAS-12 and AUG is in there either.

Well, Treyarch apparently didnt start copying first. MW2´s specops get idea fairly sure from WaW´s coop system :D
:The latest issue of the official xbox magazine says that they originally had planned on having co-op throughout the entire campaign in MW2, but cut it because it messed with the narrative. Or, it would've been way too fun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 13:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
the AUG was stupid in the game, no1 in USSOCOM uses that gun, i would lose all faith in mankind if i saw a Delta Operator/Seal using any type of bullpup, Europe can have their bullpups, id rather see us with heavily customized hK416s, and MP5K is definetly better than a TMP or MAC-10 or an Uzi
* Would you mind telling what do you have against bullpup designs, beside "the looks"?--[[User:WhiteSlift|WhiteSlift]] 11:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
* Heh. MP5k get into service 20 years after Vietnam war. There was only prototype in latest parts pf Vietnam war. MAC10 or UZI would be much more realistic in hands of US soldiers. Atleast much more than prototype gun. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 06:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

true why would they be carrying a Prototype in to combat

Because it's a video game that doesn't care about accuracy and realism. I mean what loser actually waits until Picatinny rails to be invented? Go ahead and put them on your rifle in Nam, it's the new trend.

== What the hell is up with this AR-15 Carbine? ==

It looks like a 733, but at the same time, not since it also has a flat top, but the scenes in the trailer that showed this rifle is assumed to be Vietnam era, so a flat top AR-15 shouldn't exist at the time much less a rail system for it. Also the same AR also has a rear iron sight on the flat top. This doesn't make sense [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

- I think its XM177, but customized way to much. Its mucb more possible that Treyarch just failed. I think they just added rail system/flat top just because MP. You know, attachments. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 05:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

::It cannot be an XM177 if it has a flattop receiver. Those did not exist when the XM177s were introduced. The flash hider is also Vortex, not the XM177-type. The game's 3D artists might have been ignorant about what AR carbines existed at the time. But that is not an XM177. Not by a long shot. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the game's 3D rendering tech was mostly like stone because it's the 60s and 70s, but the trailer animation is horrible! I could barely tell what was going on and the weapon details are no where like MW2. Say what you want about MW2 when it comes to consistencies, but at least they can render their weapons correctly. My first upload of that funky AR-15 shows the handguard as this polygon like thing. And did flat top receivers exist during Nam? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:::''And did flat top receivers exist during Nam?''

:::No, not at all. My recollection is that the Colt ACR (introduced in the 1980s) was the first AR-type rifle to feature a flattop receiver. Even though the ACR was a bust, flattops were subsequently carried over into future AR generations. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

With these seemingly anachronistic flat top recievers and flip up sights I think this game is headed towards failure. Seems like they're taking the MW2 route and making their "balanced" and cosmetically changed multiplayer weapons also appear in single player. I hope by some miracle they don't or else they don't get my money.

:And here I remember talking to my brother about how they can fuck up the M16 by either putting A2s or burst A1s, but this is WAY over there in the incorrect area. Haven't they seen any Nam movies? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

: Excalibur01 - or use five minutes just f-i-v-e f**king minutes of their time and try to google some Vietnam-era photos. Or they could hire someone with at least basic knowledge of era background and weaponery. You know, they spent money on countless other things. But I guess that Call of Duty is now like B-rated action movies. Make as many as you can and don't worry about the quality. Nobody gives a s*it about how it looks like or if it is correct as far as it would look cool and geek teen age kiddos would pay the money so they could play multiplayer on their lagging net servers. [Ragnar - 22:25, 19 May 2010]

Hopefully they at least have the M16 have full auto instead of burst, would make it more fun that way. I did read that this isn't taking place in vietnam on yahoo news which probably is incorrect but this is ridulous of the weapons they are putting in.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:48, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

:I read an IGN article that it'll take place throughout the Cold War, from the end of Nam to Cuba and also Princess Gates London [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:17, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Complaints ==
Hey, it's a game, not a history lesson. It's all about fun and style and so. I do like a realistic movie or game, but I don't hate a game just because the artists created something they think it's better this way. Nobody complains when a director sums up a car ride that would take 1 hour in real life in one scene in the movie, or when he puts the light where the sun can never be just to make it look good, but when someone puts a cool looking AUG in a game set before 1977, because it looks cool, or creates his own creative vision of an AR-15 everyone freaks out. All the time you hear people say "They should have done better research!" or "They don't know anything about history!", but maybe the did research, and they know history, and they discussed it and decided that they want to create something own, because they feel it fits better in their creative work than what real life history can give them.

*Yeah, you are right. Now we need M1 Abrahams tank in some Napoleonic Wars strategy. Cause that tank is just cool - right ? Or maybe M4 Carbine in WW2 shooter ?--[[User:Werc|Werc]] 16:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

::Treyarch is legally obligated to keep the timeline from going beyond Vietnam. [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/03/04/the-activision-lawsuit-what-it-means-and-where-it-s-going.aspx] If that means they have to cheat a bit regarding the weapons, I'm willing to give them some leeway. Let's face it, we're probably the only people who truly care anyway. None of these inaccuracies are going to keep any of us from buying this game when it comes out and playing the heck out of it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
* Well, msot of CoD players wont even recognize M16 and M4 or HK416. So yep - We are maybe only ones who care about it :/ --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 16:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::And mind you, Treyarch is the same developer that had Japanese troops using suppressed MP40s with reflex sights in WaW. Oh, and a RAY GUN TO SHOOT ZOMBIES. That being said, I was devastated when I found out that MW2 wouldn't have zombies, and I'll be even more devastated if BO doesn't have them. IMHO, zombies was the best part of WaW. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
* And IW had OMOH with FN2000´s and IMI Tavor´s - So whats the difference :D Hope zombies will be includeProxy-Connection: keep-alive
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:Ok the Zombie thing in WaW was a side game. It's not part of the "story". If the zombies and the ray gun appeared in the actual missions, then we'd called bullshit but with a smile cause zombies are awesome to fight. The suppressors and red dot sights were for multiplayer to compete with COD4 at the time, so those don't count. We're talking historically accurate, period piece weapons. It's like we do a game taking place during the Civil War but we all got 1911s as handguns and M1 Garands as rifles. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::You're telling me you wouldn't play a Civil War game where you can use an M1 Garand? ;)True, they tried that with Darkest of Days, but it was terribly done. And second, you CAN get the ray gun for one of the campaign missions, and it is awesome. (You can take down a tank with two shots.) But I know what you're getting at. I'm just saying we shouldn't let the nitty gritty get in the way of good gameplay, especially since Treyarch already has one hand legally tied behind their backs. Would they want to make a Modern Warfare-like game set in present day or the near future? Sure, but they can't, they're legally handcuffed to inflexible historical fact. Besides, no game has ever gotten its weapons exactly right. We have an entire generation of kids who believe an M1 Garand can't be reloaded without firing the entire clip, or it has less stopping power than a K98K. I won't lose any sleep if BO has AR-15s with flat top receivers, but I will if the game sucks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 06:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
You know if there gonna screw this game why don't the just add a bunch of laser guns or crap. I mean i could understand if the weapons in the game where off, but i have a feeling this game is going to be a cluster F***
::We're basing a lot on two trailers and some scanned images from a magazine 5.5 months from release. I'm going to reserve judgment until I actually play it or at least hear from people who have actually played it. Treyarch has little to lose here. If it's great, people will praise them, if it's not, people already think they're the Fredo Corleone to IW's Michael Corleone in the Activision family. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::And while we're here, we've been talking about how the angle of the AK mag is slightly off, but is anyone else annoyed that if you do a tactical reload and drop half a mag, those rounds in the discarded mag magically go back into your ammo stockpile and you don't lose them? This has been true in 99.7% of all FPS's I've ever played. Gamers have accepted the idea of the consequence-free tactical reload for over a decade now. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::You're right it's a crying shame. Not only because it's more accurate when the game keeps track of ammo in specific mags but it also adds another challenge and element of strategy. I also enjoy the one game I've played that keeps track of the +1 round in your gun when you reload. I wish more games were like that. Sad thing is I don't see COD heading in the right direction ever again.
:::::The one time I saw them do the tactical reload correctly was... Navy SEALs Quake, a mod for Quake II. Yes, it was a mod made by amateurs over ten years ago. The big game companies aren't doing it right because they don't want to. I remember the first time I played a game that had different animations for reloading with a round in the chamber and one without. Operation Winback on the N64, also ten years ago. It was a nice touch. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 13:48, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

* But we arent complaining here about animation and bullet system, damn. We are critising look of those guns ! That stramge XM177/AR15 hybrid was seen many times in reveal trailer, so we can judge it. And it failed. Its still better when you have realistic gun without realistic ammo system than crazy-unrealistic looking gun with realistic ammo system. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 12:06, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think it'd be that hard to replace the skin. [[Black]] didn't give a damn about realism, but it was still enjoyable as hell. The way I see it, ultimately, it's just a game, to be played because it's fun, not as an interactive history lesson. If you want accuracy, watch the Military Channel or actually go out to the range. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 13:48, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Well, it doesnt have to be "interactive history lesson" but atleast a bit of realism would be nice. '''''BTW''': I visit shooting range once or twice in month :)''

As pointed out, we don't want TOTAL realism. Otherwise, one bullet hit to the chest is enough to kill you. At least head shots are instant kills in the game. But we're doing a game based on a particular period and it has to be accurate. I mean, if you were watching a WWI movie and see soldiers with M16s. That's a bit jarring right? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:: Now he will answer it isnt jarring. If the movie has cool effects and famous actors.
:::Jarring, maybe, but I don't know if it'd ruin it for me. (Is it a sci-fi film? Surrealism? A film by Uwe Boll?) It'd be one thing to have blatant mistakes, like M16s in WWI, but would it have ruined [[Saving Private Ryan]] if Sgt Horvath had a post war M1 Carbine with a bayonet lug and adjustable rear sights instead? Did the fact that the officers had Webley Mark VI's instead of Adams Mark III's ruin [[Zulu]]? Did the fake M72 LAW in [[Ronin]] take you out of the movie? If it didn't, it's because you chalked it up as a goof, moved on, and enjoyed the rest of an otherwise good movie. If it did, then I don't know what to tell you. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:52, 25 May 2010
(UTC)

Here's a hypothetical question: This game is called Black Ops, so theoretically, they can make up whatever they want, what do we know, it's a black op, and thus classified. What if all the weapons in the game were all fake, either outright, or fictional modifications of real weapons? Would we still be up in arms? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
: I hate to say it but you might be onto something. I've heard rumors that Black Ops will rewrite history and take place in an alternate past. This is probably how Treyarch can get around the legal restrictions of not being able to make post-Vietnam games and explain these BS weapons. Personally I think it's pretty weak but it explains it.
:: Well, if it does... Wait-It doesnt! I read some article with one of Treyarch members which strictly denied possibility of alternate reality. Ill repat it again : its just some Treyarch modeller fail. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 12:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It doesn't have to be alternate history, just a secret history. It's implied that the JFK assassination will be in the game. Is the player the second gunman on the grassy knoll? Is he supposed to stop the second gunman on the grassy knoll? Does he successfully stop a possible third gunman? They can make up anything they want in that scenario. A mission can have the player equipped with a prototype laser rifle, but it's scripted so the rifle is damaged or lost along the way, and the technology is lost forever. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown ==
The rocket launcher under unknown is an M202 FLASH rocket launcher. Ashdude01 20:20 19 May 2010

Yes there is i added it to the guns page but some moron removed it

moviemaster1993 11:58 may 2010

== Carcano M91/38? ==

The images provided doesn't shot much and it is said that it can't be a mosin Nagant because the barrel is too short. Well it could be the carbine length variant or any other short barrel bolt action rifle. I can't see anything in the picture. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:26, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

It seems like its picture of that gun. Remember that game has to do something with JFK asassination and there can be barelly seen "Lee Harvey Oswald" on paper under that gun. So i think it have to be that gun - As some reference. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 03:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Ever heard of the Mosin Nagant M44 carbine or the finnish retooled M38?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 11:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== M16 and XM177 ==

[[Image:Colts.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]

Looks like the guy here has either an M16 as you can tell by the barrel pointing to the left and the barrel on the right looks like an XM177 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Redacted

2010-04-01T21:21:28Z

WhiteSlift:

GunMaster45 did an excellent job with the disclaimer, since this is such an insulting film to current and former veterans, that many don't even want to acknowledge it's existence. The next ASSHAT who removes or disparages this disclaimer will either get a tonguelashing from me (Especially those who either never served their country in uniform or are from a foreign country) or a ban if they persist. This was the best compromise and it satisfied people who are deeply offended by this film. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:Just to tell you something MPM, this movie offended me too. So did [[Platoon]] and [[Casualties of War]]. I'm going to Serve the United States when i start to live there. I completely understand the bullshit Oliver Stone and his buddy De Palma are spitting out. Like i said, they are bullshit. They are horrible movies even if they weren't hippie propaganda. I removed the disclaimer because we have various pro-hippie movies on this site. This movie, along with Platoon and Casualties of War is Fictional. They are Made up bullshit that the AMPAS and other retarded movie "academys" eat up. Besides, who the hell would think we support De Palma and his bullshit crusade pf filmmaking against the US Military? We are historians, gun nuts and conservatives. Anyone with a Brain knows we don't support this crap. Also, just because some people aren't from America, doesn't mean they don't know shit about the United States. A lot of times, people that weren't born in the United States, understand more about American than a lot of Americans themselves. Remember that.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::Platoon wasn't so bad, mainly because Stone was there [and decorated for it, in fact] and couldn't bring himself to outright say the guys he'd fought alongside were evil. You want a really and truly, ''totally'' insane hippie propaganda, try any of Tom Laughlin's ''Billy Jack'' movies or any time someone was stupid enough to let Seagal near a director's chair. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:::At least those are more pro-peace movies with Kung Fu moves and guns mixed in. Which is insane and totally hipocrital by the way and less Fuck the Troops anarchy bullshit.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Platoon wasn't as offensive since it was based in real life incidents that Stone himself witnessed, plus the overall film wasn't an indictment against the entire U.S. military. It also was filmed some 12-13 years after we pulled out so there was no risk of backlash or violence against OUR forces, something DePalma doesn't realize. Casualties of War was again based on a real life incident and it again was made YEARS after the end of the war. Redacted is NOT, though it is loosely based on an actual incident, but we are still involved in that conflict and it is ridiculously irresponsible to foment hatred and violence against our own people during time of war. These are technically NOT pro hippie movies, or at least guys who are WAY OLDER THAN YOU don't see them that way. This was exceptionally offensive and I HAVE served, not just 'intend to serve when I get old enough' so take it from me. There is a vehement animosity against this film. So speak your peace. I'm glad you intend to serve the U.S. But don't fuck with the disclaimer on this particular movie. MPM20008
:You are gonna pull the Age Call, man? Shit. And those movies are hippie bullshit. Code Pink and the Like parade those around like they are goddam masterpieces of truth. and journalism. I ain't gonna fuck with the disclaimer.
::Talk to me '''after''' you've pulled your DD-214. Your view of Redacted may have changed regarding it's potential to harm and offend. And some Nam Vets were offended back in the 1980s, but I know of NO Vets that are raging against those films (platoon, casualties of war) now. They're so 1980s. And yes, but Code Pink doesn't have a MOVIE on imfdb. :) MPM2008
:I hate Platoon and the like because they disperse misinformation. Especially in countries other than America. For Example, Here in Brazil, there are Two types of people that that know about the Vietnam War:

1. They don't know about, Don't know it happened or Doesn't care about.
2. Knows about it.

The ones that know about think shit went down in Vietnam Like in Platoon with War Crimes commited by the US all over the place. Think that '''ALL''' US troops were addicted to drugs. Most don't know shit about the South Vietnamise and the Other Foreign armys that fought in the War. If they don't think like that then they are like me, they understand what happened. They are mostly Teachers and historians but there are a few that are young like me that know about stuff.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, but come on, every character in ''Platoon'' is a US soldier, good or bad. They don't all take drugs. They don't all commit war crimes. You can't blame Stone for what stupid people see in his movie. It's not like, say, ''Tigerland'' where the directors outright said the psychotic recruit was the "kind of guy the Army wanted" because he'd be good at killing. Because, you know, a psycho would be perfect for filling out after-action reports or standing in a guard box all day or any of the myriad other duties a soldier has that don't involve shooting everyone he doesn't like, friend or foe. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 20:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::That's a good argument there, Vangelis. Of course, my Platoon DVD doesn't have the DVD commentary so he may say that shit we see in the Movie was kinda of bullshit. Who knows. I still hate the movie because if i have to Listen to Adagio for Springs again, i'm blowning my fucking head off.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:::And incidentally on what you said about the ''Billy Jack'' movies earlier; in ''The Trial of Billy Jack'', Laughlin seriously suggested that the My Lai massacre was ''ordered by Washington''. Say what you like about Stone, at least he lives in approximately the same reality as the rest of us. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 20:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::Oh....Seriously? I read the Plot of the second Billy Jack movie and i though it was like i said. Equality and Free Love mixed in with Kung Fu and Guns. Now that...that...i...i just don't know.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::: http://jabootu.net/?p=647 is Ken Begg sitting through the whole thing. Among other things, Laughlin suggested that, plus that campus shootings during that era were officially endorsed and considered of entire national guard squads firing repeatedly at students, resulting in a scene so ridiculously manipulative it's hard to describe it with a straight face. They shoot a one armed boy. While he's clutching a bunny rabbit and trying to protect his burro.<br><br>No, I did not make that up. They might as well have been shown to be commanded by Megatron and Skeletor. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 21:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:That's....That is....That is just '''INSANE'''. Holy Shit. Now Platoon seems Slightly better. Jesus. I'm sure De Palma and the Code Pink assholes would believe that shit.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I find it funny how you describe "Casualties of War" as "bullshit hippie propaganda" even though it only describes an incident comitted by US troops, told from a US war veteran. I mean, after all you can't deny that there were war crimes in Vietnam, at both sides; and I think one thing the United States is standing for is free speech and free criticizing--[[User:WhiteSlift|WhiteSlift]] 21:21, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

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==PPD 40==
[[Image:PPD40.jpg|right|thumb|none|450px|PPD 40 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]

===Specifications===
*Weight: 3.2 kg empty
*Length: 788 mm
*Barrel length: 273 mm
*Cartridge: 7.62x25mm Tokarev
*Action: blowback, open bolt
*Rate of fire: 800 round/min (1000rpm PPD-40)
*Muzzle velocity: 489 m/s (1,603.9 ft/s)
*Effective range: 130 m
*Feed system: 25 detachable box magazine,
*71 detachable drum magazine

===Film===
===Television===
* ''[[Guns of the World]]''
===Video Games===
*[[Silent Storm]]
*''[[Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45]]''

==PPSh-41==
[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg‎|thumb|400px|Soviet PPSh-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|right|thumb|none|400px|Soviet PPSh-41 Submachine Gun with 35 round stick magazine - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:PPSH-41 9MM CONVERSION.gif|right|thumb|none|390px|PPSh-41 with 9mm conversion, something that happened to captured PPSh-41s. The captured ones were adopted as the MP717(r) - 9x19mm Parabellum.]]

===Information===
The PPSh-41, ''"Pistolet Pulemyot Shpagina model of 1941"'', was a mass produced Submachine gun used by the Red Army during World War 2. Designed to be easier to manufacture and more reliable than the PPD-38/40 that it replaced, it was a great success in spite of its weight. This gun was used with 71 round drum magazine, but since 1942 PPSh was also used with 35 round stick magazine.

===Specifications===
*Weight: 3.63 kg (8 lb)(without magazine)
*Length: 843 mm (33.2 in)
*Barrel length: 269 mm (10.6 in)
*Cartridge: 7.62x25mm Tokarev
*Action: Blowback, open bolt
*Rate of fire: 900 rounds/min[2]
*Muzzle velocity: 488 m/s (1,600.6 ft/s)
*Effective range: 200–300 m
*Maximum range: ~500 m
*Feed system: 35-round box magazine or 71-round drum magazine
*Sights: Iron sights

===Film===
*[[Michael Berryman]] as Col. Petrov in ''[[Brother's War]]'' (2009) (9mm Conversion?)
* [[Olivier Gruner]] as Anton in ''[[Brother's War]]'' (2009) (9mm Conversion)
* [[Tino Struckmann]] as Capt. Klaus Mueller in ''[[Brother's War]]'' (2009) (9mm Conversion)
* Soviet soldiers in ''[[Brother's War]]'' (2009) (9mm Conversion)
* Viet Minh, North Vietnamise and Vietcong Forces in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]''
* Border Guards in ''[[Escape from East Berlin]]''.
* Rolf Steiner, played by [[James Coburn]] and Soviet and German soldiers in ''[[Cross of Iron]]''.
* Soviet soldiers in ''[[Enemy at the Gates]]''
* Soviet soldiers in ''[[Downfall aka "Der Untergang" ]]'':
* Soviet soldiers in ''[[Hitler: The Last Ten Days]]'':
* Soviet Soldiers (rather anachronistically) in ''[[The Amateur]]'':
* Soviet and German soldiers in ''[[Stalingrad]]''
* Guerillas in ''[[The Rundown]]''
* [[Luke Ford]] as Alex ,[[Brendan Fraser]] as Rick and General Yang's troops in ''[[The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor]]''
* Used by [[Robert Mitchum]] and [[Robert Wagner]] in ''[[The Hunters]]'' (1958)
* North Korean soldiers in ''[[Tae Guk Gi]]''
* Polish and Soviet soldiers in ''[[The Pianist]]''
* [[Brother 2]], in illegal Fascist's gunshop
* Two are mounted in the hood of the 1966 Buick Riviera in [[Death Race]]
* A nomad is seen with one slung on his back in [[Flight of the Phoenix]] (2004)
* Seen weilded by the African guerrillas in [[Red Scorpion]]
* When searching for intel the jungle, D'Ambrosio finds one in [[Dead Presidents]]
* When young Hannibal collapses the Red Army soldier that carries him has one in [[Hannibal Rising]]
* Many of the Russians carry one, with box magazine in [[The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming]]
* Chinese guards in the the room during the brainwashing in [[The Manchurian Candidate]]
* Used by one of Cruncher Block's thugs to try and shoot Racer X in [[Speed Racer]]
* Nomad in''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]''
*[[Jamie Bell]] as Asael Bielski, Soviet soldiers, Partisans, in ''[[Defiance]]''
* Eurasian soldiers in ''[[1984 (aka Nineteen Eighty-Four)]]''
* Soviet and Finnish soldiers in ''[[Ambush (Rukajärven tie) ]]''
* Mujaheddin in ''[[Afghan Breakdown]]''
* Seen hanging from a pillar in ''[[Assembly (Ji jie hao)]]''

===Television===
*''[[Stargate: SG1]]''
* In "The Garden Party", they can be seen in Ed III's cache in the animated series [[The Boondocks]]
* ''[[Lock 'n Load With R. Lee Ermey‎]]''
* East German soldier in [[War Game, The (1965)]]
* ''[[Guns of the World]]''
* ''[[Weaponology]]''

===Video Games===
* ''[[Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty: United Offensive]]'' (with drum and box (non-playable) magazines)
* ''[[Call of Duty: Finest Hour]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty 2]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]''
*''[[Sniper Elite]]''
* ''[[Medal of Honor: European Assault]]''
*''[[Medal of Honor: Allied Assault]]'' '''Expansion Pack''' seen in two expansion pack.
1.Spearhead Expansion Pack (in berlin mission and mutiplayer mode in russian side).

2.Breakthrough Expansion (in mutiplayer mode in russian side)
* ''[[Silent Storm]]''(with drum and box magazines)
* ''[[Vietcong]]''(with drum and box magazines)
* ''[[Empires: Dawn of the Modern World]]''
* ''[[Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 ]]''
* ''[[Indiana Jones and The Infernal Machine]]'' (9mm coversion)

===Animation===

* ''[[Atlantis, The Lost Empire]]''
* ''[[Boondocks, The]]''

==PPS-43==
[[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg‎|thumb|400px|Soviet PPS-43 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]

===Information===
During the siege of Leningrad, the PPS-43 "''Pistolet-Pulemyot Sudaeva''" submachine gun was developped. Manufactured entirely within the city under siege, it was lighter and easier to use than the PPSh-41, dispensing with the drum magazine in favor of the 35 round stick magazine. However, the design was virtually suppressed after the war, though some production did occur in Soviet satellite states.

===Film===
* [[Mel Gibson]] as Gene Ryack in ''[[Air America]]''

* Viet Minh, North Vietnamise and Vietcong Forces in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]''

* [[Nicholas Gonzalez]] as Lt. Robert James in ''[[Behind Enemy Lines II: Axis of Evil]]'' (mocked up to resemble a [[Heckler & Koch MP5]])

* [[Luke Ford]] as Alex in ''[[The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor]]''

* Jewish Prisoners during revolt in ''[[The Grey Zone]]'' (fitted with a wood stock)

* Czech soldiers in ''[[The Brothers Bloom]]''

* Communist and Nationalist Chinese forces in ''[[Assembly (Ji jie hao)]]''

===Television===
* In "The Garden Party", they can be seen in Ed III's cache in the animated series [[The Boondocks]]

* ''[[Guns of the World]]''

===Video Games===
* ''[[Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45]]''

* ''[[Call of Duty 2]]''

* ''[[Silent Storm]]''

* ''[[Vietcong]]''

* ''[[Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, The (VG)]]''

===Animation===
*''[[Boondocks, The]]''

==Suomi M31==
[[Image:SuomiM31.jpg|right|thumb|none|400px|Suomi M/31]]
===Film===
* Finnish troops in[[Ambush (Rukajärven tie) ]]

* Finnish troops in [[Max Manus ]]
===Television===
* East German soldier in [[War Game, The (1965)]]
===Video Games===
*[[Silent Storm]]
==K-50M==
[[Image:K50m.jpg|right|thumb|none|400px|K-50M, the Vietnamise copy of the PPSH-41 with a metal stock - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
===Information===
K-50M submachine gun is a blowback-operated weapon that fires from open bolt, in either single shots or fully automatic. Fire mode selector is located in front of the trigger, safety is built into the bolt handle. The receiver of the weapon is stamped from steel. The gun uses a PPS-43 type 35-round curved box magazines or the 71-round PPSh-41 drum that can only be used if the telescoping butt is retracted. Open sights feature a flip-up L-shaped rear blade, set up for 100 and 200 meters range.

===Film===
* On a weapons display in ''[[The Green Berets]]''
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[[Image:Wantedsniper.jpg‎|thumb|right|450px|Cross aiming his Fantasy sniper-rifle in [[Wanted]].]]
[[Image:KK_Luger2.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Captain Englehorn ([[Thomas Kretschmann]]) with his long barreled "Artillery" [[Luger P08]] in Peter Jackson's movie [[King Kong (2005)]].]]

=== Movie ===

* [[M1911 pistol series#M1911|M1911]] as Capt.-Lt. Gunther Wassner in ''[[U-571]]''

* [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] as Major Cain in ''[[Resident Evil: Apocalypse]]''

* [[Luger P08]] as Captain Englehorn in ''[[King Kong (2005)]]'' ("Artillery" model)

* Harpoon gun as Capt. Englehorn in ''[[King Kong (2005)]]''

* [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] as Capt. Englehorn in ''[[King Kong (2005)]]'' (with 50-round drum magazine)

* [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] as Mr. Smith in ''[[Next]]''

* [[Jericho 941#Jericho 941FB Compact|Jericho 941FB Compact]] "Baby Eagle" as Cross in ''[[Wanted]]''

* [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|Heckler & Koch USP Compact]] as Cross in ''[[Wanted]]''

* [[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] as Cross in ''[[Wanted]]'' (with Trijicon RX01 red dot sight)

* Fantasy sniper rifle as Cross in ''[[Wanted]]''

* [[Walther PP Pistol Series#Walther PPK|Walther PPK]] as Major Otto Ernst Remer in ''[[Valkyrie]]''

* [[Matchlock Pistol Mock-Up]] as Cross in ''[[Wanted]]''

* [[Walther PP Pistol Series#Walther PP|Walther PP]] as Captain Wilm Hosenfeld in ''[[The Pianist]]''

* [[Walther P38]] as Second Lieutenant Hans von Witzland in ''[[Stalingrad]]''.

* [[MP40]] submachine gun as Second Lieutenant Hans von Witzland in ''[[Stalingrad]]''.

=== Video Game ===

* [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta M9A1]] as Cross in ''[[Wanted: Weapons of Fate]]''

* [[Jericho 941]] as Cross in ''[[Wanted: Weapons of Fate]]''

* [[CZ-75 Custom]] as Cross in ''[[Wanted: Weapons of Fate]]''

* [[CZ-75 Custom 2]] as Cross in ''[[Wanted: Weapons of Fate]]''

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