User:VillageFroid

2012-12-24T21:19:35Z

VillageFroid: /* Personal information */

== Personal information ==

'''Name''': Olivier

'''Age''': 20

'''Country''': Canada

'''Occupation''': Canadian Army Reserve, Regiment de Hull, crew member

== Pages I have contributed to ==

'''Movies'''
*[[9th Company]]

'''Video Games'''
*[[ArmA II]]
*[[Ghost Recon 2: Summit Strike]]
*[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]
*[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]
*[[Operation Flashpoint: Red River]]

== Firearms that I used (handled & fired) ==

[[Image:C7a2.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Canada C7A2 with ELCAN scope - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:101-smallarm-2-c9a2-lmg.jpg|thumb|right|400px|FN C9A2 light machine gun - 5.56x45mm]]

Talk:List of firearms used by Russian Armed Forces

2012-12-24T21:18:46Z

VillageFroid: /* RPK */

I'm aware that as of 20:28, 24 July 2012, the page isn't finished; it's terribly late, and I'm going to continue working on it. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 20:29, 24 July 2012 (CDT)
::Hope you don't mind, I contributed a little bit, mended some years into more precise and (to my knowledge, at least) correct ones.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 02:44, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
:::That's perfectly fine, thank you; I was kind of hoping to get some contributions. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 11:11, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
:::Could we change the Cyrillic names to Latin alphabet? They're not really that useful in their current form to a non-Russian speaker. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:38, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
::::I only used the Cyrillic names because they would be more authentic to the Russian forces. They can be changed fairly easily, though. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 11:12, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
:::::Well, we could refer to all these weapons by their official GRAU index designations. Though personally, I like the Russian Cyrillic names.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 11:50, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
::::::Since this is an American website with a primarily English-speaking user base, the English (or Latin, whatever) alphabet would be more preferable. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:37, 26 July 2012 (CDT)
:::::::Do you want the Cyrillic Anglicized or do you want straight up English translations of the Cyrillic titles? --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 08:39, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

It's only called the Russian Federation recently. It's changed named overall at least 3 times in the past century [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:29, 24 July 2012 (CDT)
:Yes, I'm aware of that, and I considered it after I constructed the article. A name change would be fine... Russian Armed Forces? --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 11:10, 25 July, 2012 (CDT)

Makarov PM is still in service. And the next couple of decades, it will doesn't remove from service [[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 19:05, 25 July, 2012 (CDT)
:My mistake, I fixed it already.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 11:52, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

== AO-63 picture? ==

So we've got a picture of the AO-63 now? I thought no one knew what it looked like except for the designers and the people running the trials. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 17:36, 26 July 2012 (CDT)
:That isn't an AO-63, it is an AO-38. This was a prototype for the balance recoil system used in the AK-107, and is a single barrel design which is totally unrelated to the AO-63. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:49, 26 July 2012 (CDT)
::OH, that makes sense. It's just that in the smaller version of the picture, it looks like it has two barrels (I didn't view the larger version). [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 17:55, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

==RPK==
Is the original 7.26x39 RPK still in service?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 17:53, 26 July 2012 (CDT)
:I didn't include it because I wasn't sure, but I think they're at least phasing the original models out of front-line service. Someone with a little more knowledge on that particular weapon might be able to help. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:00, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

I thinks the 7.62x39 RPK is still used in limited numbers, but i'm not 100% sure.
But one thing I am sure is that the 5.45x39 RPK is still used today. I saw some recent pictures of russian soldiers using them in exercices. --[[User:VillageFroid|VillageFroid]] 16:19, 24 December 2012 (CDT)

My Way (2011)

2012-09-07T21:38:46Z

VillageFroid: /* Browning Hi-Power */

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = My Way
|picture = MyWay.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Poster''
|country = [[ File:KoreanFlag.jpg|25px]] South Korea
|director = Kang Je-gyu
|date= 2011
|language = Korean, Japanese, Russian and German
|studio= CJ Entertainment
|distributor= CJ Entertainment
|character1=Kim Jun-Shik
|actor1=[[ Dong-gun Jang]]
|character2=Tatsuo Hasegawa
|actor2=[[Joe Odagiri]]
|character3=Shirai
|actor3=[[Fan Bingbing]]
|character4=Lee Jong-dae
|actor4=[[Kim In-kwon]]
}}
'''My Way''' (Korean title:마이 웨이) is a 2011 South Korean war film directed by Kang Je-gyu. Two Rival marathoners, Korean rickshaw driver Kim Jun-Shik ([[Dong-gun Jang]]) and Japanese-born Tatsuo Hasegawa ([[Joe Odagiri]]), are put into front-line service with the Imperial Japanese Army, Jun-Shik a draftee and Tatsuo a fiercely Nationalist colonel. Captured by the Red Army during the Battle of Khalkhin Gol, they endure a harsh journey that takes them from a forced-labor camp in Russia to battle against the Wehrmacht and ultimately defending Omaha Beach from the Americans on D-Day.

'''The following weapons are seen in ''My Way''''':

'''Warning: Some Possible Spoilers Ahead!'''

__TOC__ 

=Sidearms=
==Browning Hi-Power==
A Wehrmacht officer uses a [[Browning_Hi-Power#Browning_Hi-Power|Browning Hi-Power]] during the Battle of Hedosk.
[[File:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power - 9x19mm]]
[[File:MW German HiPower.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Wehrmacht officer (lower-right corner) fires a Browning Hi-Power at charging soviets.]]

==Nambu Type 14==
Tatsuo Hasegawa ([[Joe Odagiri]]) and several other Japanese officers use the [[Nambu Type 14]]. Note that the large trigger guard makes this a "late" Nambu, which would be inaccurate for the Battle of Khalkhin Gol.
[[File:NambuType14Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Nambu Type 14 - 8x22mm Nambu]]
[[File:MW IJA Type14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kim Jun-Shik ([[Dong-gun Jang]]) is held at gunpoint with a Nambu Type 14. Note the anachronistic large trigger guard.]]
[[File:MW Tatsuo Type14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tatsuo Hasegawa ([[Joe Odagiri]]) aims his Nambu Type 14.]]
[[File:MW Tatsuo Type14 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tatsuo shoots a Red Army tanker with his Nambu Type 14.]]
[[File:MW Tatsuo Type14 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tatsuo fires his Nambu Type 14.]]

==Tokarev TT-33==
The [[Tokarev TT-33]] is used by Red Army prison guards and Commissar's. Tatsuo Hasegawa ([[Joe Odagiri]]) uses a presumably captured TT-33 to execute retreating Japanese soldiers at Khalkhin Gol.
[[File:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[File:MW Tatsuo TT33.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tatsuo Hasegawa ([[Joe Odagiri]]) fires his Tokarev TT-33 at retreating IJA soldiers.]]
[[File:MW Tatsuo TT33 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tatsuo's TT-33 clicks empty.]]
[[File:MW Tatsuo TT33 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tatsuo fires his TT-33 during a flashback to Khalkhin Gol.]]
[[File:MW Soviet TT33.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tatsuo is coerced into enlisting in the Red Army with a Tokarev TT-33.]]
[[File:MW Soviet TT33 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Soviet Commissar fires his TT-33 signify the start of a charge.]]
[[File:MW Soviet TT33 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Soviet Commissar executes retreating Soviet soldiers with his TT-33.]]

==Walther P38==
The [[Walther P38]] is used by a Wehrmacht officer during D-Day.
[[File:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:MW German P38.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Wehrmacht officer holds his Walther P38 on Kim Jun-Shik ([[Dong-gun Jang]]) and Tatsuo Hasegawa ([[Joe Odagiri]]).]]
[[File:MW German P38 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close-up of the P38.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==M1928A1 Thompson==
At least one of the American soldiers attacking Omaha Beach carries an [[M1928A1 Thompson]].
[[File:M1928A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson - .45 ACP]]
[[File:MW US 98K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier at the center of the screencap carries an M1928A1 Thompson.]]

==M1A1 Thompson==
Several American soldiers landing at Omaha Beach carry the [[M1A1 Thompson]].
[[File:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1A1 Thompson - .45 ACP]]
[[File:MW US Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M1A1 Thompson can be seen in the hands of the front-and-center soldier, as well as a bullet hole in his helmet.]]
[[File:MW US Thompson 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Still-holding his Thompson, the slain GI falls.]]

==PPSh-41==
Both Red Army and Wehrmacht officers use the [[PPSh-41]] (not inaccurate, many Germans fighting on the Ostfront used the PPSh-41). However, the weapon does make an appearance amongst the Labor camp guards in scenes set pre-1941, which would make it anachronistic.
[[File:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[File:MW Soviet PPSH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The PPSh-41 can be seen in the center of the frame.]]
[[File:MW German PPSH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Wehrmacht soldier (upper left) fires a PPSh-41. The soldier next to him is firing a [[Degtyaryov_DP_Series_Machine_Gun#Degtyaryov_DP-27.2FDP-28|Degtyaryov DP-28]].]]

=Rifles=
==Arisaka Type 38==
The [[Arisaka Type 38]] is the main weapon of the Imperial Japanese Army, including Kim Jun-Shik ([[Dong-gun Jang]]) and Lee Jong-dae ([[Kim In-kwon]]).
[[File:Arisakat38.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arisaka Type 38 - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka]]
[[File:MW JongDae Arisaka.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lee Jong-dae ([[Kim In-kwon]]) uses his Arisaka Type 38 to bayonet a Soviet soldier.]]
[[File:MW IJA Arisaka.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An IJA soldier aims his Arisaka Type 38. Note the flipped-up antiaircraft sights.]]
[[File:MW JongDae Arisaka 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lee Jong-dae ([[Kim In-kwon]]) fires his Arisaka Type 38 at a sniper nest.]]
[[File:MW JunShik Arisaka.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kim Jun-Shik ([[Dong-gun Jang]]) aims his Arisaka Type 38.]]
[[File:MW JunShik Arisaka 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jun-Shik sweeps the sniper's nest.]]
[[File:MW Shirai Arisaka.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shirai ([[Fan Bingbing]]) chambers an Arisaka Type 38.]]
[[File:MW Shirai Arisaka 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shirai aims her Arisaka.]]
[[File:MW Shirai Arisaka 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Looking down the Arisaka Type 38.]]

==Karabiner 98k==
The main weapon of the Wehrmacht soldiers is the [[Karabiner 98k]]. Oddly enough, several US soldiers also use the 98k - possibly because of an inadequate number of US rifles.
[[File:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[File:MW German 98K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wehrmacht soldiers fire Karabiner 98k rifles at attacking Soviets.]]
[[File:MW German 98K 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Wehrmacht soldier fires his Karabiner 98k at strafing fighter jets.]]
[[File:MW German 98K 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Wehrmacht soldier fires his 98k.]]
[[File:MW German 98K 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Eastern Battalion soldier, clearly of Asian descent, fires his Karabiner 98k from a machine gun nest.]]
[[File:MW US 98K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the American soldiers charging Omaha Beach can be seen with a Karabiner 98k to the left of the screencap.]]

==Karabiner 98k "Kriegsmodell"==
At least one soldier can be seen with a [[Karabiner 98k "Kriegsmodell"]] rifle, a late war version of the Kar 98k intended to simplify production. Specifically this rifle is a "semi-Kriegsmodell" as it incorporates some simplification features (simpler screw retained barrel bands and no bayonet lug or cleaning rod) but not all (it still has the disk on the buttstock to aid in disassembly of the bolt).
[[File:Kar 98k semi kriegsmodell.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k "Kriegsmodell" - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[File:MW German 98K 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Karabiner 98k "Kriegsmodell" slung around a Sentries back.]]

==Karabiner 98k Sniper==
Shirai ([[Fan Bingbing]]), a Chinese guerrilla sniper, uses what appears to be a [[Karabiner 98k|Karabiner 98k Sniper]] fitted with a PU-style scope. The choice of weapon is inaccurate; however, the film was shot in Latvia, and the weapon is never seen at much detail, indeed it bears some resemblance to the more accurate [[Mauser_Rifle_Series#Type_Zhongzheng_Rifle|Type Zhongzheng Rifle]], the giveaway being a turned-down bolt handle.
[[File:Mauser g98 Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karabiner 98k with Zeiss ZF42 scope - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[File:MW Shirai Kar98.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close-up of the Karabiner 98k sniper.]]
[[File:MW Shirai Kar98 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the PU-style scope.]]
[[File:MW Shirai Kar98 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Looking through the scope.]]
[[File:MW Shirai Kar98 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close-up of the trigger.]]
[[File:MW Shirai Kar98 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ejecting brass.]]
[[File:MW Shirai Kar98 6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gunpowder smoke and the open chamber.]]

==M1 Garand==
The US soldiers landing at Omaha Beach are mostly armed with the [[M1_Garand#M1_Garand|M1 Garand]].
[[File:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand - .30-06]]
[[File:MW US M1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers fire their M1 Garand rifles.]]
[[File:MW US M1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M1's in action.]]
[[File:MW US M1 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers fire covering fire.]]
[[File:MW US M1 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GI takes down a German with his M1.]]

==M1 Carbine==
Several US soldiers are armed with the [[M1_Carbine#M1.2FM1A1_Carbine|M1 Carbine]]. Some of the rifles are fitted with the anachronistic bayonet lug.
[[File:M1-Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine - .30 Carbine]]
[[File:MW US Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US soldier fires his M1 Carbine with bayonet lug.]]
[[File:MW US Carbine 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US soldier scales a cliff with his Carbine. Note the director seems to have confused Omaha Beach with Pointe du Hoc.]]

==Mosin Nagant M91/30==
The majority of Red Army soldiers are armed with the [[Mosin_Nagant#Mosin_Nagant_Rifle|Mosin Nagant M91/30]] rifle, including the Japanese and Korean draftees.
[[File:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin Nagant M91/30 - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[File:MW Soviet M9130.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Red Army cavalryman attempts to bayonet a Japanese soldier with his Mosin Nagant M91/30.]]
[[File:MW Soviet M9130 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Soviet camp guard works the bolt on his M91/30.]]
[[File:MW Soviet M9130 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Soviet firing squad aim their rifles.]]
[[File:MW Soviet M9130 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Red Army Commissar hands out Mosin Nagant M91/30 rifles to a crowd of draftees.]]
[[File:MW Soviet M9130 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red Army soldiers hand out rifles.]]
[[File:MW Soviet M9130 6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Korean draftee runs into battle with his rifle.]]
[[File:MW Tatsuo M9130 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tatsuo Hasegawa ([[Joe Odagiri]]) fires his Mosin Nagant M91/30.]]
[[File:MW Tatsuo M9130 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tatsuo with his rifle.]]
[[File:MW JongDae M9130.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lee Jong-dae ([[Kim In-kwon]]) fires his Mosin Nagant M91/30.]]
[[File:MW JongDae M9130 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lee Jong-dae chambers his rifle. Next to him is Kim Jun-Shik ([[Dong-gun Jang]]), also armed with an M91/30.]]

=Machine Guns=
==Browning Automatic Rifle==
A US soldier can be seen with a [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] sans bipod.
[[File:BAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Automatic Rifle - .30-06]]
[[File:MW US BAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GI (upper middle) runs into battle with a Browning Automatic Rifle.]]

==Browning M1919A6==
A US soldier can be seen firing a [[Browning_M1919#Browning_M1919A6|Browning M1919A6]] at Omaha Beach.
[[File:M1919A6 Early.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M1919A6 - .30-06 Springfield]]
[[File:MW US M1919A6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US soldier can be seen firing a Browning M1919A6 off an obstacle whilst his assistant gunner feeds the ammunition.]]

==Degtyaryov DP-28==
The [[Degtyaryov_DP_Series_Machine_Gun#Degtyaryov_DP-27.2FDP-28|Degtyaryov DP-28]] is used by the Red Army turret gunners on the T26 tanks that attack the Japanese positions at Khalkhin Gol.
[[File:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Degtyaryov DP-28 - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[File:MW Soviet DP28.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Degtyaryov DP-28 mounted on a T26 tank.]]
[[File:MW Soviet DP28 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A T26 going into action.]]
[[File:MW Soviet DP28 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Red Army tanker fires the DP-28.]]
[[File:MW Soviet DP28 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Red Army tanker fires his DP-28.]]
[[File:MW Soviet DP28 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hit by Tatsuo's Nambu, a tank gunner drops his DP.]]
[[File:MW German DP28.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier fires a DP-28 at Hedosk.]]

==Maxim M1910/30==
A Red Army blocking detachment use a [[Maxim#Maxim_M1910.2F30|Maxim M1910/30]] to shoot retreating Soviets.
[[File:Maxim M1910 30.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maxim M1910/30 - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[File:MW Soviet Maxim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red Army soldiers stand by with a Maxim M1910/30.]]
[[File:MW Soviet Maxim 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Maxim opens fire.]]
[[File:MW Soviet Maxim 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close-up of the barrel.]]
[[File:MW Soviet Maxim 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Maxim firing. Note the ammunition box.]]

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User:VillageFroid

2012-07-01T13:09:33Z

VillageFroid:

== Personal information ==

'''Name''': Olivier

'''Age''': 20

'''Country''': Canada

'''Occupation''': Canadian Army Reserve, Regiment de Hull

== Pages I have contributed to ==

'''Movies'''
*[[9th Company]]

'''Video Games'''
*[[ArmA II]]
*[[Ghost Recon 2: Summit Strike]]
*[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]
*[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]
*[[Operation Flashpoint: Red River]]

== Firearms that I used (handled & fired) ==

[[Image:C7a2.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Canada C7A2 with ELCAN scope - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:101-smallarm-2-c9a2-lmg.jpg|thumb|right|400px|FN C9A2 light machine gun - 5.56x45mm]]

User:VillageFroid

2012-07-01T13:01:56Z

VillageFroid: /* Submachine guns */

2011-12-26T22:56:58Z

VillageFroid: /* Personal information */

== Personal information ==

'''Name''': Olivier

'''Age''': 20

'''Country''': Canada

'''Occupation''': Canadian Army Reservist (Recruit)

== Pages I have contributed to ==

'''Movies'''
*[[9th Company]]

'''Video Games'''
*[[ArmA II]]
*[[Ghost Recon 2: Summit Strike]]
*[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]
*[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]
*[[Operation Flashpoint: Red River]]

== Favourite Firearms ==

= Handguns =
*'''M1911A1'''
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|350px|none| Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]

*'''P38'''
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|350px|none| Walther P38 - 9x19mm]]

*'''P08'''
[[Image:Luger.jpg|thumb|350px|none| Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]

*'''Hi-Power'''
[[Image:Browning-HP-P35.jpg|thumb|350px|none| Browning Hi-Power P35 - 9x19mm]]

= Submachine guns =

User:VillageFroid

2011-11-22T19:35:59Z

VillageFroid: /* Personal information */

Talk:Battlefield 3

2011-10-02T16:12:07Z

VillageFroid: /* Lack of weapon variety */

== All weapons in BF3 ==

The list below shows all BF3 weapons that are going to be available either SP or MP.

This list is officially announced by EA, but i'm pretty sure there will be more coming.

NOTE: List has been edited to account for new information (eg: Both M16s and only P90TR) and name corrections (eg: DAO-12 to Striker)

Assault Rifles (Assault)
*M16A3 (US)
*AK-74M (RU)
*HK416
*G3A3
*AN-94
*KH2002
*AEK-971
*F2000
*AS VAL
*M16A4

Carbines (Engineer)
*M4A1 (US)
*AKS-74U (RU)
*G36C
*SCAR-H CQC
*A-91
*SG553
*M4

Machine Guns (Support)
*M27 IAR (US)
*RPK-74M (RU)
*M249E2
*M60
*M240
*6P41
*QYJ 88

Sniper Rifles (Recon)
*Mk.11 Mod.0 (US)
*SVD (RU)
*M40A5
*SV98
*M98B
*M82A3 (not in MP)

Battle Rifles (Recon)
*M39 EMR
*SKS

Sub-Machine Guns (All Kit)
*P90TR
*MP7A1
*UMP45
*PDR
*PP2000

Shotguns (All Kit)
*870 MCS
*M1014
*USAS-12
*Saiga 20K
*Striker

Pistols (All Kit)
*M9 (US)
*MP443 (RU)
*G17
*M-45
*MP412
*T44
*93R
*G18

Underbarrels (Assault)
*M320 with HE/Smoke/Buckshot rounds
*M26 MASS with Buckshot/Flechette/Frag/Slug rounds

Rocket Launchers (Engineer)
*Mk.153 SMAW (US)
*RPG-7 (RU)
*FGM-148 Javelin
*FIM-92 Stinger
*SA-18 IGLA
*AT4

( Source: http://bf3blog.com/2011/08/complete-list-of-battlefield-3-weapons/ ) --Zzang1847 23.09.2011 11.07 (PST)

:This is from a Batlefield 3 fansite and not acctualy offical --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 14:38, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

::This has been discussed before. While it is technically official since the official gaming news sources are also reporting it, but since there aren't any pictures of 'em you have to wait.--[[User:Nomad175|Nomad175]] 15:55, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

:Pages without pictures or info look ugly. The game's out in less than a month, and the Beta's out in a few days, we can wait, but it does mean we get to know what's in the game anyway, even though it's not on the page :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:20, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

::Although there were no pictures, i believe we still can at least put some description and real picture so someone who is actually uploading in-game pictures don't have to worry about putting explanation and finding pictures from the archive, which takes significant amount of time (in terms of AAA games like this).
::P.S) Sorry about this discussion already mentioned before. I thought i could give some help, but perhaps i'm not :( ~ Zzang1847 23.09.2011 8.43 (PST)

:::Building an article is not a race, there is just less than a week for the Beta to roll in, not that much to wait. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:52, 24 September 2011 (CDT)

Looks like it is going to just be Americans, Russians, Generic "Not the Taliban, honest" Middle Eastern Militia and possibly the Iranian army as factions then. Damn. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:28, 24 September 2011 (CDT)

:For SP yeah, but for MP it's been confirmed to be just US and RU. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:46, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

== Faction Specific Weaponry details ==
no need to worry , about faction specific weaponry , reading through some of Alan Kertz earlier posts.He states that the player once leveled up high enough in the class's levels will gain access to the other factions weaponry.

== Gun disparity ==

I have the feeling the M4A1 will be the counterpart to the AKS74U. This is wrong, but every game seems to do it. The M4 has a 14.5 inch barrel and is a standard issue weapon. The AKS74U has an 8.3 inch barrel and is issued to vehicle crews. A better setup would be Mk 18 Mod O (or HK416 D10RS) vs the AKS74U. Also, the M16 and AK74 aren't exactly equal either. Maybe pair up the regular M4A1 or SCAR-L with 14.5 inch barrel (for variety) with the AK74?

Oh and what do you think the US/EU counterparts to the SKS, RPK and AS Val will be? There's no US counterpart cartridge to the 7.62x39 and 9x39 as far as I know.
::There's no val, that's vss

:SKS = Mk.11 = SVD. RPK = M27. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:52, 9 August 2011 (CDT)

Its the asval not vss :S.[[User:lukewilliams010]] 12:14 ,19 august 2011

== PKM\PKP operation ==

I've yet to see a game that properly portraits PKM operation with its 2 level feeding system and non-disintegrating belts. Curious if in BF3 they'll get it right. Doubt it though...

== Optic mounts ==

Optic mounts on all russian weapons are wrong. Basically it's an PSO with optic tube cut off and rail slapped instead of it. Then every Russian scope has its original mount removed so it can be fixed on that picatinny rail. They also didn't bother making [http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/1789/i-2863.jpg proper mount] for PKP and just put rail on top of the receiver lid. I was expecting more attention to details in BF3.

Well the Russian army IS starting to use RIS, just look at the AK-9. [http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/ak-9-e.html] While it does seem a bit sloppy, it can be justified in a way. At least it isn't as bad as that AK-abomination from MW2 and the RPD with rails.

== Beta ==

Does anyone know when the beta is starting? cant wait for it! --[[Special:Contributions/109.78.246.33|109.78.246.33]] 21:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Or for that matter, how we can get in on it? [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]]

To get into the Battlefield 3 beta, you need to buy specially-marked versions of the recent Medal Of Honor [[User:SeanWolf]]

Ya i got it, do you know when were getting the codes?--[[User:GunGunGun|GunGunGun]] 02:40, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I have no clue.[[User:SeanWolf]]

If you registered your Medal of Honor with your EA-Account, you'll get the invitation and infos, as soon as there is something, so far nothing is known.

Wish I could try the beta [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

:Not just you, after the videos they releases pretty much everybody is dying to get hands on the game. [[User:Killerpixel|Killerpixel]] 12:05, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Beta will be open to everyone. Those who got MoH, will get in earlier.

== AK-something-something ==

Check that dude in the BG. also what I think *might* be a holster, but I'm probably wrong.

http://bf3nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bf6.jpg

:It's definitely an AK-series rifle, which one I can't be sure of. If I had to guess however, I'd say either an AK-74, AK-74M, or AK-101. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

:It's a dump bag on his hip. At least that's what I think it is. It definitely isn't a holster though, since most drop leg holsters are strapped to your thigh. Why a guy with a belt fed machine gun has a dump bag through is beyond me.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 09:19, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

::If I had to guess, he may have been issued an M4 or M16 and picked up the MG prior to the pic being taken. You can also see some STANAG mag pouches on the front of his vest too. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 03:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

:::I Agree with Orca1, I know you can't see from the distance, but the profile of the muzzle looks like one of those 3. As the game is set in 2014, im assuming it's either an AK-74M or AK-101. --[[User:Chablar|Chablar]] 13:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== M240G is M240B ==

The M240G is actually a M240B as seen by gameplay screenshots. You can also identify it's M240B by the heat shield. I guess that inaccuracy in every war game (including new games) will always be. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:44, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

:I knew it was some kind of M240 variant, but since it was being used by a Marine I assumed it was the 240-Golf variant since they typically use that instead of the 240-Bravo. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 03:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Wrong use of the word "anachronistic" there. An anachronism is an object, event, or person portrayed in a chronologically inaccurate time period. The Marines using the M240B is a mistake, no doubt, but it's not an anachronism as the M240B still does technically ''exist'' at the same time beside the Golf model. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:42, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== M16A4? ==

Got these pics off BF3 nation;
http://bf3nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bf1.jpg appears to be some M16 varient which oddly enough doesnt have any rear sights.
http://bf3nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bf5.jpg Another shot of the M16 like weapon (Just going to mention the nice detail on the mag). And hey, new weapon, A COFFEE MUG!!!
--[[User:GunGunGun|GunGunGun]] 15:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

It is an M16A4, the developers probably didn't detailed the weapon enough. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 16:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah I noticed this as well. Im guessing they just forgot, The sights are even not there in the gameplay videos. I do hope they change it though, might seen a little silly firing with neither iron sights or optics. --[[User:Chablar|Chablar]] 13:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

in the new 12 min trailer, roughly at the 7min mark when they put surpessive fire on the sniper, is it me or does the guy on the left, with the M16A4 fire full auto?. [[User:Sike|Sike]] 17:20, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

I'm commenting without checking, but remember how fast you can fire the M16A4 and 93R in BC2? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:23, 19 April 2011 (CDT)

== Racking charging handle when reloading after empty ==

A new trailer showed you shooting an M4 and when you are empty, you reload but instead of pressing the bolt release, you charge the handle. I seriously hope this isn't the default reload [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:35, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

At the begining of the trailer, it did say that it was pre-alpha code. They'll hopefully have the modeling and other animations fixed by then.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 05:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, cause I'm getting bad flashbacks to games in early 2000 that pulls the charging handle when doing mid mag reloads [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the M16A2 & M4A1 reloading animations from ''[[Battlefield 2|BF2]]'' had the character use the charging handle instead of the bolt release when reloading, they may have borrowed that. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

:3D modeling and animation is kinda hard to "borrow" from older engine/file format. I'd guess it's probably "director thinks this looks more dynamic" like [[Black]], or maybe the animator is under heavy influence of games in early 2000 :/ [[User:Ssate|Ssate]] 02:43, 12 April 2011 (CDT)

Well I hope they change it to using bolt release because it's wield for someone to do that unless you're clearing a malfunction [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm liking how they now keep track of a round in the chamber and you don't go through the whole reloading animation, maybe this time we'll have proper pistol reloads.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

What's a "proper" pistol reload? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
: I think he meant that the slide does not lock back when the pistol runs out, like in Medal Of Honor MP. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 20:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Also in Bad Company and the second one they did the same thing where the slide didn't lock back. If it's one thing Modern Warfare has done right is the reload animation...well except maybe for the ACR. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:14, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:There was also a problem with the SPAS-12: the character pump it after the reload even if there was a shell in the chamber. Same in Black Ops. Not to mention that "all pistols were DAO" since the hammers never move. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

About reloads, in last years Metal of Honor, you do a combat reload when your shotgun is empty. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Another nice touch that they put in was that they left the front sight on the M4 even though it has an optical sight. In most games the front sight is either removed completely (like Bad Company 2 or Call of Duty 4) or else it has a flip down front sight (like Modern Warfare 2). Adds a nice level of realism in my opinion.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 06:29, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

:I always thought removing the front sight from M4/M16 rifles in games was utterly stupid mall ninja BS, not to mention making the gun look ugly as sin. In a real-world situation, if your optic fails and you don't have any iron sights to fall back on, you're basically SOL while the other guy who's never even heard of a red dot sight is still capable of sending rounds your way. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 10:48, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

::Don't some optics already mount back-up irons (BUS / BUIS) on them? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:46, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

:Yeah I noticed this too. All BF games seem to get reloads completely wrong. You get the feeling the make you rack the charging handle with a mid mag reload to clear the current round so they don't have to take it into account. As awesome as charging the action yourself, or racking the top slide looks, you just never do it during a normal reload. I do hope they change this yeah, but I doubt they will looking back at the other games. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Battlefield games, but I don't see how its that hard to get weapons right when they hire Ex-military guys to get everything else right. You can even find these things on Google these days. And with COD removing the iron sights on the M16s and M4s they are also removing the gas block. The gun would have to fire one round and then the action be charged manually. I love these games, but some times the ignorance they show towards the things they claim are most important pisses me off a bit.--[[User:Chablar|Chablar]] 14:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

::Well, at least they don't go the extra mile and have guns being fired with the safety on, I can think of a couple of games that do that. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 14:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

:The use of military and ex-military people are for realistic look of the soldiers, their movements, they communications, and look of ground vehicles and aircraft... But don't forget that it is not that hard to search for photos in the internet of weapons, vehicles, aircraft, uniforms, equipment, etc. and create it in the computer, without using the help of the military guys. As what we see know. BF3 goes for the realistic way, that's right, but it is not realistic in the small details. CoD4:MW, CoD:MW2, CoD:BO, the new MoH, OFP series, ArmA series, and of course the series of BF from BF2 and onwards have so many unrealistic small details that can be fixed easily by using mod tools. The developers doesn't really care if the M4A1 has gas block (CoD) or if you charge the weapon with the charging handle (BF2, BF3), they just want to create a game, realistic or not just the gamers will be happy. It is a bit funny as so many things are so realistic in this game but someone who has good military knowledge will notice right away for the f*** ups. In OFP:RR for example, they only thing that bothers me is that the M16A4 in-game looks like the Canadian C7 rifle. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 18:50, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

don't forget in MW2, fans were commenting that the rear flip up sight on the SCAR was backwards and would back towards the shooter and not forward. IW didn't change it cause they don't care of the little details. Also I like to see a game where they have a random chance to destroy your optic so can you actually can flip up your irons. After the EMP in MW2, they forgot that pretty much all the M4s and SCARS had flip up sights but none of them bothered to flip them up. That'll be the first thing I noticed when I aim or the fact that the ACOG is not electronic and would still work when an EMP hits. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:43, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

*Let's not forget MW2 is the same game which showed the Model 1887 being reloaded by having every cartridge put into the barrel. Would certainly make for an interesting first shot... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 19:58, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

::In the words of the Demo Man from ''[[Team Fortress 2]]'', "Ka-BOOM!" :P [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 20:18, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

New behind-the-scenes footage reveals that there are partial reload animations --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:16, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I liked how ''[[Project Reality]]'' completely replaced the M16/M4 reload animation from ''BF2''; the only time the charging handle is messed with is when you first bring the weapon up, and even then it's more of a brass check than a full pull back. The reloading animation has you swap the mags, hit the bolt release, and check the ejection port. Much more realistic reloading animation. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:03, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

What I wish is adding different animation for reloads. If you are in the middle of an intense fire fight, you reload and press the bolt faster and you randomly fumble with your reload cause it happens. Or if the firefight is over, you do a more slow reload. Also if the gun has flip up sights, I want to see an animation where you actually flip those irons up [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:02, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

:I don't think I'd be happy with the former; same as random jams or giving singleplayer enemies a chance of getting an instakill headshot on the player, it isn't much fun having the game secretly flipping a coin to decide if you get screwed or not. ''Black'' did slower reloads if you weren't being fired at, though; it either sped the whole animation up or skipped the unnecessary wanking around if you were being shot at when you pressed reload. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:50, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

Another thing about leaving the front sight post on the M4s is that the red dot sight is raised and not like in COD4 where it is mounted on the rail. Maybe in real life, having 2 eyes would sort of work, but even then you can still have a front post bother your eye looking at it. It wouldn't be a clear shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:04, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

:The only game I've seen that gets it all right is Crysis 2, and the weapons are all fictional, though they could all easily exist. It's got both reload animations (six actually, because you do them different in Armour or Stealth mode), +1 in the chamber, attachments on your gun based on where they're mounted (one optic, a suppressor or no suppressor, and an underbarrel), believable damages based on calibres, functioning pistol hammers, and pistol slides that lock back when empty and not as part of the reload animation (meaning you can run around and stuff with a locked empty pistol). [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:02, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

== PKM ==

At the left on the bridge an enemy soldier have a Pkm machine gun :
http://www.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Battlefield3_Gogogo.jpg (high resolution sorry) [[User:Arrak|Arrak]]
:PKP

== Disable Vehicles ==

New info at Kotaku and others mentions "Temporarily disabling vehicles". I'm thinking it may be some sort of EMP thing, though, even for BF that's a stretch. What would be preferable, is if for instance... a tank... had several parts that were damageable. Things like treads, optics, engines, etc could be disabled in order to halt a tank. Same goes with tires and stuff like that with other vehicles. This'd be really cool in my opinion, for instance, snipers could damage the optics of a tank with say a .50 BMG round, temporarily of course. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 20:23, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

== M16 Carry Handle Fix ==

If anybody's seen the EA PWNED BF3 episode, it looks like they've added the carry handle to the M16A4. Two short clips demonstrating the ANT animation system that show the M16A4 with it. Good stuff. Also, did anyone notice how they're making prone realistic? It seems they're having the player's elbows be fixed rotateable spots along with the player's spine being able to bend a certain number of degrees. In order to rotate around, the player has to physically crawl over to view that area. It's easy to see in the animation demos that I referred to, but it's also noticeable on the 12 minute trailer when the Marines are on the rooftop, watch the perspective of the player's weapon and how it moves in relation to the arms. Very cool indeed, because I know balancing prone has always been a problem with BF. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 09:15, 30 May 2011 (CDT)

== Multiplayer Teaser ==

there is a MP teaser up on www.origin.com, looks like they have gone and screwed the m4 up, (removed front site) [[User:Sike|Sike]] 16:22, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

Can't get a good enough look at the gas block to tell. Anywho... I spotted the M16A4, a Mk 46/M249, M9 pistol, the PKM Pencheng, SVD, Mk 11/SR-25 (Not a M110, no full URX rail), AKS-74, and the Grach pistol. All but the SVD and Grach are viewable in the trailer, the AKS-74, SVD, and Grach are visible in the corner where it lists the kills. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 16:36, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-battlefield-3/714884 pause at 0:19 for the M4, [[User:Sike|Sike]] 16:42, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

:The AKS-74U screenshot shows what appears to be an enemy carrying two [[RPG-7]] launchers. Can't tell if they have optics or straight iron sights. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:56, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

== Who? ==

Who put the Mk 11 as the 9A-91? Travesty, stoked that the Mk 11 is in though. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 14:30, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

== AK-74M ==

This photo was posted on battlefields facebook page.

[[File:BF3_IMFDB_(AK-74).JPG]]

It seems that while the US gets an M-4A1 with and without optics, the Russians/PLR get an AK-74M.
--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 00:54, 8 June 2011 (CDT)

This might've just been the loadouts they had for E3, doesn't necessarily confirm faction specific weaponry. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 14:00, 8 June 2011 (CDT)

:Is that PSO-1 or the same unidentified sight from Medal of Honor? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:31, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

They modelled receiver lid locking knob wrongly. Should be like [http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/708/i-711.jpg this]

== Physical Warfare Pack ==

New weapons, folks!

[http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com/content.php?4305-Battlefield-3-Limited-Edition-Physical-Warfare-Pack-Available-for-Preorder-in-UK Battlefield 3 Limited Edition: Physical Warfare Pack Available for Preorder in UK]

Time for article update? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:08, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

:I see they're calling it the DAO-12 again. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:14, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

:Type 88 (and it seems the Bipod is an attachment), "DAO-12" lol, with Flechette ammo, aaaaaaaand... a Flash Suppressor for the "SKS Sniper Rifle"!!!! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:44, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

::"SKS Sniper Rifle?" So we're set in California? Watch out, the bad guys have high-capacity 15-round magazines! [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:56, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

:::Isn't the SKS 10 rounds though? I never really liked the look of the SKS, but I've seen a lot of people on this site post about wanting it in a game for once, so it'll make all them happy :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:37, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

::::Yeah, I'm just talking generally; you know, scary handguns with high-capacity magazines and laws to rid the streets of the scourge of drive-by rifle grenadings and gangland bayonet charges. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:45, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

:::::Haha, yeah, I'm from Canada, and while we don't actually have as strict laws as, say, California, what we have is lots of paperwork and time spent training for licenses, etc. Making them harder to get and needing more knowledge about them is way better than just banning them. I never understood that, oooo, a bayonet mount, oh no! A pistol grip? They'll kill us so much more efficiently now! Criminals use illegally bought weapons that aren't registered. And that guy that comes home to find his wife is cheating on him? He's so mad he'll kill both of them, and they think he won't just get a knife or something? I'm not supporting killing people, but people would still do it even if all the firearms on Earth went away. We were pretty damn good at it for the thousands of years before we invented them... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:36, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
::::::Agreed :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:26, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

Still no update? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:16, 8 June 2011 (CDT)

'laws to rid the streets of the scourge of drive-by rifle grenadings' - I lol'd --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 08:11, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

Why in the hell would they make the SKS a 'Sniper Rifle'? I mean calling the Dragunov a true sniper rifle is pretty much... wrong, I'm okay with it though, but an SKS?
I'll admit I'm not very experienced with the SKS myself, maybe it's a tack driver in disguise, but from what I've heard it's just a little more accurate than your standard AK47 and that's not saying much.... --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 12:56, 18 June 2011 (CDT)

:Well there are only going to be semi-auto sniper rifles, so really, there are only DMRs anyway. It's not like it's a sniper class, it's a recon class, so that's not missnamed. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:59, 18 June 2011 (CDT)

:: Source? There's no way they'd make all the sniper rifles semi-automatic. We've only seen semi-automatics, yes, but there's no confirmation that they'll -all- be semi-automatic. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 20:09, 18 June 2011 (CDT)

:That's what I got out of the Recon description here:
http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2011/06/08/battlefield-3-at-e3-roundup.aspx
Semi-auto and C4. That could just mean default, and you still get bolt-actions and the mortar later, but I really think they mean they removed both of those, to balance the issues with those two things in BC2. Everyone uses Recon, everyone hides with a one hit kill sniper rifle, and everyone calls in their magic mortars from anywhere onto anything. It looks like they're trying to make the Recon kit more of a DMR kit than a true sniper, which is probably better, it fits the squad play better as a DMR and a support gunner do the same job, one with high amounts of precision, the other with high amounts of ammo. On a different note, I'm pretty sure the M4A1 will be in the engineer kit because it has a flashlight and will be the counterpart to the AKS-74U, like the M16A4 and AK-74M. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:36, 18 June 2011 (CDT)

: They meant at the E3 demo, the Recon class has a semi-automatic sniper rifle. At the E3 Demo. Hence the "E3 Roundup" title, it's not dismissing anything, just saying what they saw at E3. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 21:47, 18 June 2011 (CDT)

Finally :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:12, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

== M249 SAW is actually Mk. 46 Mod 0? ==

By looking at the handgurads, I noticed that they are sticking out like the Mk. 46 Mod 0's handguards instead of the flat M249 SAW's heatshield. Also, because the weapon is fitted with M145 ECLAN scope, this could be the same model as in Medal of Honor, only it is rendered differently or something like that to fit Battlefield 3's engine. So, could be? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:54, 9 June 2011 (CDT)

: Yep, it's for sure the Mk 46. Though, it's all one nacho. Glad with the weapon choices they're going with so far. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 10:34, 9 June 2011 (CDT)

Glad to see the M145 MGO, presumably in place of the ACOG. Nice touch. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 08:13, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

Yep, there's also some speculation that there'll be multiple types of 4x optics for each weapon, like you could put the Elcan on an M4. But I think it's more likely that each weapon will just have a different model of ACOG-type optic. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 08:27, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

:If that's the case, I'm putting the ELCAN on the M16A4, and if there's camo I'm making it green :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:08, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

::Canadian, eh? :P --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:28, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:::Yup ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:12, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

The quality of the screenshot is too low to tell if it's an M249 or a Mark 46. The key difference between the two is that the M249 has a magazine well on the side of the receiver for using M16 mags, but the Mark 46 doesn't. You can't really tell if the SAW in this game has a mag well or not. I also want to point out that the SAW in MoH has a magazine well, which would make it an M249. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:06, 10 August 2011 (CDT)

== P90 in IGN preview ==

here

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/117/1172554/battlefield-3-20110606090440594-000.jpg

the magazine looks like its either missing or modeled way to small

source http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/117/1172554p1.html

sorry i dont know how to embed an image [[User:Sike|Sike]] 07:54, 10 June 2011 (CDT)

there's a clear model error...the magazine is lodged inside the weapon at an angle and the charging handles are floating above the magazine in midair.
however, the magazine looks like its of appropriate size and its transparent....would be a nice touch if the bullets inside would actually be visible and move.

May perhaps point to an extended magazines type system, though you'd expect the studio to realise that the P90 feeds from the rear so this wouldn't function --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 08:09, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

There are Extended Magazines, you can see them in the loadout window in some of the E3 footage on a PKP Pecheneg. But, what the P90 is likely, is just a pre-alpha mess-up. The magazine is there and properly sized, its' just angled downward into the weapon/barrel. It's not married properly to the P90 and is likely just a glitch that will be fixed. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 08:29, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

Fair enough, pretty cool that things such as extended magazines have made it into BF3 --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 12:22, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

== M4A1 ==

I just saw the latest video where the M4A1 had a holo-sight and the gas block was removed. Looks like this will be just another unrealistic game after all. But at least the character pressed the BCRB instead of pulling the charging handle. Damn it, when will a new Rainbow Six game come out?! - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:38, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

It's not a big deal. The M4A1 still kills people and looks great. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 14:47, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

:I might be a bit annoying to have every game M4 lose its gas block, but it really doesn't matter THAT much, and it makes the scope view clearer. To say that it will be "just another unrealistic game" because of that is silly, just pretend it has one of those super mini gas blocks, you wouldn't even be able to see it anyway. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:57, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

:: The problem is that I don't want to have a clear view because soldiers do not have clear view ALL the time. And there is a nice little thing called "flat-top riser". One might wonder why was it invented.... - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 17:07, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

:But they're ugly and no one uses them. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:45, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

:Would be cool if removing gas block was optional and made gun bolt-action. Talk about killing with skill :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:28, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
::Bolt-action sniper rifles will be usable without scopes.

== Some Weapon Spots ==

(Continuously updated) This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwT6x7zEQ8c) shows on the kill-feed that the SVD makes a return for Battlefield 3 at 2:20. At 3:48 you see an enemy in the engineer class holding what appears to be an RPG-7 at 3:48. The kill-feed shows at 4:06 a MP-443 pistol. Clear look at an RPG-7 with on the back of an enemy soldier with the rocket (quite dangerously) inserted at 6:03 and again at 7:23. --[[User:DaiTaNam|DaiTaNam]] 16:32, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

== Team Specific Weapons? ==

Looking at the AKS-74U pictures it looks scarily like that's a US Marine using it on Spetsnaz. As far as I know there'll be unlockables and selectable weapons, but does anyone know if these are team specific or not? I'm personally pretty worried we're going to have a bunch of marines in state of the art gear running around with AK rifles because a bunch of bars say they're the best, or PLR using M4s and 249's, that's as bad, if not worse. --[[User:AmrasCalmacil|AmrasCalmacil]] 17:26, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

:That's only in MP, it's the same as Bad Company 2, I never liked being restricted to team weapons im MP. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]]

:The player could've picked the weapon up... We don't know for sure about faction specific loadouts. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 23:54, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

::I personally liked the faction specific loadouts in BF2, it was realistic. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:40, 18 June 2011 (CDT)

:True, to be honest I'd be happy either way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:49, 18 June 2011 (CDT)

:I hope they bring back faction specific weapons from Battlefield 2. Medal of Honor made it right at first but then you got the opposing faction's guns and faction-specificness pretty much lost its purpose :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:28, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

::But in BF2 if you killed a enemy you can pick up his "kit" and use his weapons... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:08, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:::Yes, first you had to kill an enemy, then you could pick his stuff (kit). But for Battlefield 3 it should be weapon (more realistic than insta-crossdressing xD ) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 16:12, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
::::Your right, lol. XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:25, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
:::Actually in BC2 your character model never changed when you swaped kits, you could have a medic carrying a sniper rifle, or a ghillie guy with an RPG-7. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:49, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
::::Ah right, I forgot. :\
:::::Lol, you forgot about rocket launcher-wielding snipers ;) Hey, we should put a pic of that under the rocket section or something, you know, just for kicks. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:05, 20 June 2011 (CDT)
::::::lol yeah. The reason I don't remember is because I only played with bots, I only had Dial-up back then. u_u - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:34, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

I hope its not side specific, I always hated that considering how two weapons from the same class where completely different and handled different. Most people would end up using unlocked guns that you can use on either side. If you want a game thats realistic as possible, play Operation Flashpoint.

:Being a fan of Battlefield 2, which featured faction specific weapons, I'm offended someone is saying me to play another game. I might as well say: If you want a game thats unrealistic as possible, play Call of Duty. By the way, in Medal of Honor opposing factions' weapons had identical stats, so that wouldn't be a problem for Battlefield 3 (probably). Also, sign your posts (paragraphs?) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:52, 23 June 2011 (CDT)

::Well since OpFor is using a AK-74M and AKS-74U which is some-what comparable to the M16A4 and M4A1, I say the game is gonna be fairly balanced. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 23 June 2011 (CDT)
::: If they use weapon balance from MoH then yes. Because in BF2 M16A2 and M4A1 kinda sucked (better use G36E and SCAR-L unlocks, respectively). However AK-101 and AKS-74U were ''nice'' (damage)! Check their stats here: [http://wiki.bf2s.com/weapons/comparison BF2 Weapons Comparison] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:40, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

:^^But those games kinda sucked (at least Dragon Rising, Red River looks good). :\ Whatever, I personally like faction specific weapons for my reasons above. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:27, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

::To be honest, Dragon Rising didn't suck, it was just buggy and laggy (which can be said about pretty much every other shooter, at least as start) and didn't have weapon customization (which can be said about Battlefield 2). In my opinion it is Red River which sucked, basically being Co-op CoD:MW with Visible Walls of Block being replaced by Invisible Walls of Doom and auto regeneration being replaced by manual healing. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:52, 23 June 2011 (CDT)

:::Meh, that's why I said ''kinda'' sucky, lol I heard AAII is much worst, as its severely buggy and lacks weapon animations and others. P.S. I prefer manual healing over mutant regenerating health any day, the only place 3 second regenerating health belongs is a Wolverine game. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 23 June 2011 (CDT)
::::To be honest, manual healing in Red River isn't ''that'' much different from auto regeneration: hold "use" key while not getting hit and several seconds later you are good to go. Whether Dragon Rising had an actual Medic class just like Battlefield :) Oh, and it's kinda hard to make complex game without ''a lot'' of technical problems and unfinished things, yes ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:40, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

Also, if you want actual realism at this point, you go ArmA 2, not Operation Flashpoint: We-screwed-over-an-already-great-franchise-by-making-a-game-with-casual-gamers-in-mind[[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]] 03:06, 24 June 2011 (CDT)
:If you want actual realism at this point, you go to Army. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:40, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

::Ugh, But ArmA II had NO weapon animations, that's kinda a big "unfinished thing" when you publish the game! And you Mr. Masterius, your obnoxious, why don't ''you'' go join the Army. We're talking about wanting realistic combat games not what peoples career decisions should be. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:04, 24 June 2011 (CDT)
:::Mr. Wolf, one thing you should realise: until Virtual Reality is created and gone into mass production, games will never, NEVER be trully realistic. Holding gun in your hands =\= Mouse+Keyboard. Also, mine is not obnoxious, mine is very nice and tidy :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 14:36, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

::::And what's so wrong with wanting realism in "Mouse+Keyboard" games? Also I have handled, extensively trained, and fired many REAL firearms, so I'm not just some armchair-commando or a mall-ninja. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:18, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

:Eventually FPSs will be the player wearing a mocap suit with a mocap gun, in a mocap room with a floor that moves (like a treadmill) so you can run places. And you will be forced to reload the weapon properly etc. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:25, 24 June 2011 (CDT)
::The first steps are made :D [http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/xio-ultimate-fps-virtual-reality-gaming-exoskeleton-prototype-video-21-04-2011/ XIO Gaming VR Simulator Prototype] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:54, 25 June 2011 (CDT)
:::I'd settle for having a decent field of view, right now. They're actually getting narrower rather than wider as the gun attempts to colonise roughly a quarter of the screen. Kinda sad when the guy in ''Doom'' held his pistol in a more sensible way than the guy in ''Crysis 2'' does; the latter seems to be holding it with the base of his right palm rested against his nose. Sure, we're not all going to own an IMAX globe theatre any time soon to have a full 180 degrees or so of vision, but it gets silly when your FOV is ~30 degrees these days when most of the old shooters did 70-90. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:08, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:I removed your post? Maybe we both tried to edit at the same time, because it wasn't there when I did, sorry about that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:34, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

Lol @ me. Should have known someone was going to say that... Should have added "In a Video game"... [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]] 08:00, 25 June 2011 (CDT)
:Right 8) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:51, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

::It's alright, danke. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:31, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

==More Stuff==
Maybe. I didn't see anything listed here that we don't have, but they seem to know what they're talking about. (Near the bottom)
http://enterbf3.com/
[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:17, 4 July 2011 (CDT)

== Barrett MRAD/98B spotted ==

Taken from the "Classes Explained" screenshot...

[http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cowboyw54/Bf3render.jpg]

source:
[http://bf3blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/bf3-classes.jpg]

--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 18:07, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

:Cool, I'd never heard of that rifle before, looks like a good addition. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:37, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

:Looks like they call Picatinny Railed M16A4 '''M16A2''' ''again'' *facepalm*. Oh, and that's a weird sniper rifle. Don't they have '''M110''' for that?
:P.S. And yeah, same goes for '''DAO-12''' (Armsel Striker, duh!). But I would prefer '''Armsel Protecta''' (it's more modern after all ;) ) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:01, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
::Actually they are calling it '''M-16a2'''... nuff said! - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 05:14, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
:::If it was called "Blarg Rifle" but had correct reloads, I'd be happy. Where did it say they called it an A2 anyway? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:03, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
::::[http://bf3blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/bf3-classes.jpg here] [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 07:50, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
:::::Oh right, well, it might say "M-16a2", but it calls the MRAD a "Mk. II" Sniper Rifle, so, we'll see. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:19, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

Well I think that the "Mk. II" is the Mk II Mod 0 (SR-25), and that they just threw the text on there because the Mk II will be the default Recon rifle.
Anyways, I think this 99% confirms that it will be in the game, should it be added to the main page?
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 14:28, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

:OH Mk.11, I thought it said Mk.2, and I couldn't figure out what the hell that would be. Yeah, we've seen the SR-25 already in that multiplayer footage, and everything in that video was default. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:05, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

So MoH had the M110 when it should have had the Mark 11, but BF3 now has the Mark 11 when it should have the M110 (USMC recently dropped the Mark 11 in favor of the M110)? *Facepalm* [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:27, 10 August 2011 (CDT)

:Indeed. Another thing about MoH is that apparently Mark 14 Mod 0 got finished in 2003 and got shipped to Navy SEALs in 2004[http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=377] thus making it as chronologically incorrect as M110. Devs usually tend to skip the details. Still, the crown of ignorance goes to CoD brand. The latest MW3 seems to have customized AK-47 *Major Facepalm* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:39, 10 August 2011 (CDT)

==Notes about in-game ACOG scopes==

I noticed that there seem to be two separate models of ACOG scopes available in the game, according to the screenshots posted in the article. The M4A1 carbine the player character uses in the 'Faultline' trailer is fitted with a camo-painted TA01NSN ACOG(identifiable by the integral iron sights and lack of a fiber-optic strip along the top) while one of the M16A4's shown in first-person view in the article here is equipped with a TA31F ACOG. This is the second FPS game I've seen to do this, the other being ''[[Project Reality]]'' (itself a mod of ''[[Battlefield 2]]'', coincidentally) which has the TA31F and TA31RCO ACOG models available in it. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 03:44, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:...While in the average FPS, you're lucky if the thing called the ACOG looks like anything in Trijicon's product line. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:47, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::Making the public in general think every scope is called an ACOG :P Also, in terms of 4x sights, theres the M249s ELCAN, and I'm hoping you can put any optic on anything. One of the DICE guys said there's a crazy amount of optics in BF3. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:26, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Even in COD: Black Ops (a game that takes place in the 60s mind you) they have a scope called a ACOG, even though it's obviously ''not'' a ACOG *rolls eyes*. Game Devs are becoming fails more and more every year. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:08, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Treyarch basically made their own Modern Warfare, with blackjack and hookers. So yeah, forget about proper portray of Cold War. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:41, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Give me the ability to slap the Elcan onto the M240 and I will be happy. Hope what you said about the 'crazy amount of optics' turns out to be true. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 06:34, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I hope you're not confusing the ELCAN scope with the similar M145 MGO. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 12:05, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::::You are correct, I did mean the MGO. I know the M145 is different, I just though the Elcan name was interchangeable. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 13:15, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::It would be nice to see a broader array of optics customizations in FPS games. ''Project Reality'' has a pretty good variety, but you have to switch out your entire class loadout in order to change this, and most weapons only have 1 or 2 optics available aside from iron sights (the M4A1 has the widest variety; having available EOTech, M68 Aimpoint, Kimber Mepro, & ITL MARS red dots as well as both TA31F & TA31RCO ACOGs as mentioned above). [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 12:05, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Now, that Project Reality has been mentioned... I hope DICE won't disappoint the CIS players, so that we can kick yer capitalist arses in proper way... j/k lol :P Anyway, here are the articles for those interested: [http://ra.spetsnaz.su/wiki/1P29 for AK-74M] and [http://ra.spetsnaz.su/wiki/PKP for PKP]. And the [http://www.npzoptics.com/catalog/sights_for_small_arms/ full catalog]. Oh, and it's been suggested on [http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/1405448-optics-lots-optics-2.html#post19418223 EA's Forums], so I don't have to do it myself. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:24, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== Mocap Guns ==
Here's a challenge for everyone; what are the two wire guns standing in for?

2nd Story
http://www.enterbf3.com/

Or if it's off the list after a while:
http://media.enterbf3.com/images/mcnab1.jpg
http://media.enterbf3.com/images/mcnab2.jpg [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:29, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

Cornershot and a Thompson with M203? :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:35, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

:lolz. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:51, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

More seriously, that thing McNab has is definately supposed to be a carbine with an underbarrel accessory, I can't really see what else it could be. The other guy's weapon is a bit more of a mystery; since it doesn't have any kind of projection for a magazine, I'd guess it's something like a Bizon; can't be a P90, these rigs are for capturing hand positions and his would be completely wrong for that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:36, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

:Wait, actually it does have a magazine, I see a curved MP5-style mag just in front of his finger. So, maybe it's an MP5 with some underbarrel device making the front end all chunky, or one of those MP10 things like in GTAIV. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:40, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

LOL Tommy with M203 :) The one on the right really looks like an M14 EBR to me, the mag, handguard, and barrel, but the other one is weird. It looks like an MP5 pistol grip and mag, with a really bulky front, and a stock that looks familiar, bu I just can't place. :P [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:09, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

: [http://riflestocks.com/store/product2.html ACE side-folding skeleton stock]? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:48, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, that's the one! Hmm, is there anything in particular that's on, aftermarket or otherwise? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:29, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Quick google gets me mostly AK-pattern weapons. AK, Saiga, Galil, that kind of thing. Couple on MACs, not that it's likely to be one of those. Maybe that's what a MoCap AKS-74U looks like? :s [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:36, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

::::I'd say that's the best guess so far [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:13, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Dunno, such a stock shape reminds me of [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:G36.jpg G36E] which was in Battlefield 2 (with railz instead of optics). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:35, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Not sure about that, you'd have thought if it was G36E the mocap prop would have a rod or something stuck to the end to represent the rest of the barrel like the one McNab has. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:44, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::Bah, I am not really into guessing the gun by the mocap. Details of it - OK, but generally it's just a mishmash that can be used for anything provided the grip is adequate xD --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:51, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

Actually the ACE stock is found on the SPAS 15 as well (which was in Bad Company 1, and Battlefield 2 I think) probably the most likely choice. --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 18:48, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

:I hope it's that, that was the ONLY weapon that didn't come back in BC2 for some reason. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:44, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

::But it returned in [[Battlefield Play4Free#Franchi SPAS-15|Battlefield Play4Free]] so its appearance in BF3 is possible ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 23:20, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

== Glock 17 unlock spotted ==

... in a promotional shot from Dice about their Battlelog service

[http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/resized-image.ashx/__size/550x599/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/2.jpg]

--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 13:02, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:It was also seen in the EA Pwned video, along with the G3 (mentioned), I forgot to add that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:06, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::I hope this Glock 17 actually holds... well... 17 rounds. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:24, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Well, the MP-443 does, so that could work, I'm thinking there's gonna be a Euro faction, with the Glock as the sidearm, and we've also seen the P90. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:17, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Now that reminds me... Battlefield 2: Modern Combat (console version of Battlefield 2) had [[ Battlefield 2: Modern Combat#Glock 17 Pistol|Glock 17]] as Euro Sidearm :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:44, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::It did? Awesome! I was just guessing, but that basically confirms it :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:54, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::Here's some leaked gameplay for you guys, skip to 1:44, there's your Glock. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfeOoEDYEt0) Would appear that the sidearms (at least) are not faction specific. Also looks like it holds 18 rounds but I'm assuming this is a '+1' affair. [[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 05:00, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::Melee Animation is good :D Reloading after every bullet isn't :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:48, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Alpha Footage ==

no doubt some of you have heard there is a closed alpha trial going on, and some of you may have watched the leaked footage online. i dont want to post links to these videos just incase its not aloud.
but i can tell you, that the G36c, Glock 17, M27 IAR, SV98, MP7 and M1014 are in. --[[User:Sike|Sike]] 08:24, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:Closed Alpha? Any news about Closed Beta for MoH: Limited Edition owners? It should be before Open Beta, shouldn't it? :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:41, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:A pretty nice selection of weapons appearing which is good to see, particularly the M27. Now just need someone to spot the L85 and I'll be happy \o/ --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 11:19, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::I guess it, Russian counterpart to M27 is going to be RPK-74M :O And British - L86? ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:41, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::You may possibly be right, and I hope you are. If it's in there, first person to deliver the information wins a shiny medal from myself :o --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 12:48, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::looks like US support starts with the M27, and the Russians start with RPK, british forces arent in the game... --[[User:Sike|Sike]] 13:58, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::The existence of other factions hasn't been denied (to my knowledge) but even so I hope either weapon is available --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 15:02, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::Germans aren't in the game and there's a G36C. We can't rule anything out. Plus, there's always the possibility of DLC. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 19:31, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::New factions/weapons added via DLC would be grand. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 19:50, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::::Yeah, like they did with Euro Forces Pack for Battlefield 2 :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:37, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:I've yanked the images off the page; as with the MW3 stuff, posting images from leaks is not allowed. Wait until they show up in something official. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:16, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::Why does it even matter? We should post everything about everything we know... :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:36, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Same reason we don't allow pirated or leaked movie footage; using that kind of thing reflects badly on the site. We can wait until these weapons are confirmed in official materials (which they will be in due course, I'm sure), we don't need to go using dubious sources. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:39, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Yeah, for a sec it slipped my mind that once the game is out we will have everything :P [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:21, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::::And there are still screencaps from leaked version :O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:37, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Which ones? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:30, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::The ones added by Gran28 - check page history. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:41, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::Oh, I thought where he said "Paris gameplay video" he was talking about a gameplay video released at some show in Paris. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:49, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::::The ones that I added was from a gameplay trailer released by DICE yesterday I think.--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 08:04, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::Ah, if that's so, then my bad. Kinda hard to separate official ones from current leaks. Better mention that on the talk page :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:28, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

== New Official MP Trailer ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emwEknzmyRo

can see a M4 with a Eotech and a Acog, and the front site is in when optics are attached.--[[User:Sike|Sike]] 08:32, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Possible return of the NDM-86 ==
I was watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MgQMoPwGwM&feature=related and around 1:13-14, I thought I saw the pattern found on the straight mags that the 7.62mm NATO variant of the NDM-86 uses.
EDIT: Okay at 1:15 at the maximum quality, I could clearly see that magazine is straight. This is no SVD guys, no SVD. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 18:09, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:Good spot, wouldn't have noticed that myself. I wonder why they opted for the NDM-86 instead of the SVD? I assume the SVD is harder to get in Sweden meaning the studio had to find an alternative. Is it still labeled as an SVD within the game? --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 19:52, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::It is, and it was in MoH. You know, I think MoH was like a super pre-Alpha version of this game, there's and MP7 too, and a few others. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:03, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I hope DICE do a better job on BF3 than they did on MoH, that game was shocking. There's probably some truth in that though :P --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 20:43, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Well, MoH multi was made by a small team from DICE in 6-7 months, and ALL of DICE has been working on BF3 for, like, 5 years, I'm not worried ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:52, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Fair play to them but you'd have thought issues with the game would have been patched following the game's release. Still, I don't deny that BF3 will be a far better game however I'm sure some of the issues from MoH will poke through. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 03:21, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::Well, we can hope the issues that poke through don't include those godawful skyboxes that MoH had. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:26, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::DICE deliberately sabotaged MoH MP 'cause they were focused on BC2... :( But it is said that MoH 2 is being developed solely by DC. And it is rumored that MoH 2 will have Frostbite 2 Engine :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:50, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Would be interesting to see what DC do with the Frostbite 2 engine, I wasn't all that impressed with the single player but taking into account that (as far as I'm aware) MoH was the studio's first game, it was an adequate effort. Was better than the multiplayer at least, in my opinion. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 07:20, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::::I've always said that if MoH's MP was the same as it SP, then the MP would be awesome, I have it just for the SP :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:35, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Just played some more of SP and I have to say I agree, pretty intense stuff. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 11:38, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

== Default Weapons ==
I just noticed that all of the US weapons are Armalites, and all of the Russian weapons are Kalashnikovs, it's cool. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:58, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:Aside from the 'SVD' which isn't a Kalashnikov design, but we'll forgive you as it is outwardly similar. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 03:16, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::True, but you got the point ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:21, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::[http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/sniper/sn18/svd_clones.jpg SVD Clones]. The third one is AK modified to SVD. Ain't Russian guns :P --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:58, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I do like the fact that each faction has it's own starting weaponry, I always liked that about BF2 (though I didn't play it much) --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 03:25, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Agreed :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:58, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

== AS Val ==
I can't find the video, but I'll post a link: http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7447261.page [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:31, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:Cool! =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:20, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

== Sniper Rifles can have iron sights ==
Yup. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:04, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

:Hmmm. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:56, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

== M1014 ==
It's hard to tell because of the screwed up animation in the alpha, but you load a round into the chamber first, then the tube. EDIT: This is a good thing, I made sound like it wasn't :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:32, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

== M16A4 ==
It fires semi, burst, AND auto, one of those fancy 360 degree fire selects or something :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:32, 23 July 2011 (CDT)
:problem?

== New Alpha Gameplay ==

In the gameplay, I noticed that the front sights are still present when optics are attached, that M16A4 is now burst-fire and that the US LMG is called M249 in-game. Bipod gameplay was shown too. I also spotted the M-416 at 0:55, maybe the M4A1 equivalent of the enemy forces? [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 18:45, 24 July 2011 (CDT)

:Okay, yeah, they made it so the front sight is there, but disappears when aiming, the M16 has burst as well as auto (and semi), and the HK416 is an unlock, ONLY the default weapons are faction based, anyone can use unlocks, but the default ones might be usable by anyone later or something though. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:42, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

::That's still much better than the MW games. Boy, you complain more about games than I do. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:19, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

::Defaults faction / unlocks not is how BFs 2 and 2142 worked, too. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:08, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm not complaining, I actually like the front sight disappearing system, if it's not there the gun wouldn't work, but if it was, then having an RDS would give you a better field of view. The M16's fire modes aren't too bad, as long as the weapons have the right ammo count, reload properly, and have +1 I'm happy. Things like the player loading it fancy or whatever are okay. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:56, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== M320 Standalone confirmed ==
This. Search "BF3 Grenade Launcher", and the vid has a G3 with an ACOG too. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:56, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== SIG 550 pretty much confirmed by Demize ==
http://twitter.com/#!/Demize99/status/30377608852017152 [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:56, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:Swiss weapon of choice 8) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:44, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

== A Few Weapon Vids ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuoU7uBNvP0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LILgS-M2xo

Here's most everything in action, and with a few attachments. I love how the description for the M145 mentions the Canadian Army! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:37, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:Looking good so far, spotted some people on my Steam friends list playing the alpha. So jealous. :( --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 10:43, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

::I'm looking very forward to this game. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:42, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Video Confirms new weapons for the game, as available in alpha build. In the first video we see an MP-7 PDW at 1:14, M1911 pistol at 1:57, RPK light machinegun on killfeed at 3:21, M27 IAR in killfeed at 6:12, M1014 shotgun at 7:34, G3 battlerifle on killfeed at 8:29, G36c assault rifle at 12:15, M320 grenade launcher on killfeed at 13:16. In the 2nd video we see RPK selection and model at 6:07 (usage following). Someone please update main page accordingly.--[[User:DaiTaNam|DaiTaNam]] 15:32, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Good of you to find everything, but leaked stuff isn't going on the main page :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:25, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

::::: awww =(, thanks though.--[[User:DaiTaNam|DaiTaNam]] 17:39, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::Sigh, The M145 uses the M4 reticle over the M249/240 reticle :( --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 17:47, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::That's the reticle my (standard version) ELCAN replica has on my airsoft C7A2, do you mean the M145 version is supposed to have a different one? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:40, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::::[http://www.dsarms.com/images/ELCM145M4W.gif Elcan M145 Optical Sight for M4 and M249/M240]. Remember people, this is just leaked Alpha and DICE will ''probably'' make changes to the game to make it right... Oh, and RPK :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:53, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::Oh I see. And what do you mean, oh and the RPK? What's wrong with it? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:07, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::::::Has the wrong bipod at the moment, doesn't look like the barrel is long enough to be an RPK either --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 05:31, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::::::Well... since it has both synthetic furniture and curved magazine, it is [http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/machine/mg15/rpkm.jpg RPKM] (ignore the magazine color). However in-game description mentions that it uses 5.45x39 ammo, which is used in [http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/machine/mg16/rpk74_02.jpg RPK-74M] that is actually used by Russian Forces. So the point is, DICE should change the magazine model and rename the weapon to '''RPK-74M''' for Russians. That Militia can use whatever they want. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:36, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::::I didn't know that, so the curvature of the magazine in an AK/RPK-style weapon can be used to identify the caliber? DICE have clearly given alpha invites to the wrong people, should have gone to the inhabitants of IMFDB. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 05:42, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::::: :D And yeah. The curve gradation for Kalashnikovs' magazines goes as follows: 5.56 < 5.45 < 7.62, with 7.62 curve being particularly distinguishable ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:28, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::::::You learn something new everyday, now I can complain that the BF3 RPK is incorrect >:O --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 06:33, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::::I sent Demize a tweet (I made a Twitter accout JUST to send him stuff) that the RPK should be either the RPKM or RPK-74M (as I can't see the mags well enough), and also sent him another one saying the G3 should be the G3A3 :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::::::::That is dedication to informing the developer their game is wrong, well played. I also sent him a tweet concerning the M145's reticle. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 18:30, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::::::Very good :D Two problems I've noticed about '''SVD''': First, as already been noticed, is that in-game model of magazine is straight NATO one instead of curved Russian one; second, is that in-game '''PKS-07''' is using optical PSO-1 based reticle instead of its own magnified reflex reticle like this one: [http://www.newphillysports.com/milsurp/pks07reticle.jpg]. And here information about it: [http://www.gunscollecting.com/english/scopes/pks-07-collimating-sight/]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:24, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::::::::::Just recieved an invite to the alpha, I am so stoked to try this game out \o/ --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 09:44, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::::::Sweet! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:56, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

== 1911 spotted ==

I just watched a video and the 1911 is back. This game's version appears to be the MEU model. I can tell from the slide, sights, and hammer. It appears to be the old model with the Springfield Armory slide. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 23:53, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

:I can't see the grips, but it appears to be a stock M1911 with a commander-style hammer (the round one, not the MEU one), a silver 3-hole trigger, and a silver barrel. Oh, after Googleing I found that that IS the original version of the MEU :/ http://www.justpistols.co.uk/meu_001.jpg That's an airsoft gun, but it's EXACTLY the one from BF3. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:35, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

::Also, the MEU Pistol is currently designated [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/m45-close-quarters-combat-pistol/ M45] Pistol ;) So maybe in-game it is some kind of customized M1911 Pistol? :O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:36, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

== Alpha ==
I just got the invite for the Operation Metro Alpha and Will post info here if I can.--[[User:N-10 Aden|N-10 Aden]] 20:53, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

:Awesome, that's two of us now :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]]

::So my impressions of the alpha so far are largely positive, not the biggest fan of the map however. Too many narrow corridors that you have to enter to advance, meaning that the defending team can plonk a SAW there and wipe you out as you enter the meat grinder. The weapons feel nice: Plenty of recoil meaning that burst firing is essential. Definitely an improvement gameplay-wise compared to BC2, which wasn't a bad game by any stretch of the imagination. Looking forward to the beta now! \o/ --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 09:46, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Improvement compared to BC2, is obviously. The question is, improvement compared to BF2! :O--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:31, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

::::I can't really comment on whether it's better than BF2 as I haven't really spent much time on it (5 mins max) but it is a fairly solid FPS in it's own right. One thing that has bothered me thus far is 3D spotting, do not like it at all though, it should be changed for minimap spotting. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 10:46, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Ah, in that case, if you still have BF2, I would recommend you download and install [http://www.realitymod.com/ Project Reality] mod, which focuses on realistic armed forces. There are people who have BF2 solely for it. And, it has British Army! :D [http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa356/DMasterST/B_Uniform.png Their uniform] and [http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa356/DMasterST/B_Weapons.png their weapons] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:02, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::Yeah and the Canadian Army :D I'll be getting BF2/RM soon. Keep in mind this is one of the smallest map and it's meant to be more infantry focused, they'll be much bigger ones with more vehicles ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:10, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::Yup :D [http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa356/DMasterST/C_Uniform.png Their uniform] and [http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa356/DMasterST/C_Weapons.png their weapons] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:49, 29 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::I hope that with more vehicles comes more teammates actually willing to take them out. No one playing engineer was even trying, just using their launchers on each other. Meant to ask if anyone still played BF2 as I was gonna get it in anticipation for 3, should organise some gamz. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 18:57, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::::I'm trying to get BF2 again, loved that game, can't wait to convert it to PR. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:04, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::Needs a bit of polish but what I played of the alpha was a lot of fun, roll on October --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 18:32, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::::::::Sweet! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:28, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::::Anyone have any questions about it? I'd be happy to answer them (as best I can) --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 17:27, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

== All Alpha weapons ==

http://bf3blog.com/2011/08/new-battlelog-screenshots-show-weapons-awards/battlelog-weapon-list/ - [[User:Joey1666|Joey1666]]

:I hope, they will make new icons for AR-15 guns. These no-sights ones are just weird. Also, what I've said in "A Few Weapon Vids" --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:21, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

::The in-game ones have carry handles but I'm sure you knew this, I can live with a few slightly inaccurate icons on the Battlelog though. The M27 IAR had no front sight post for some reason in-game, made the Eotech pretty much essential. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 17:19, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Doesn't it have flip-up sights? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:43, 3 August 2011 (CDT)

::::It does, yes, but the front sight is missing the front sight post. As in, the sights are there, but the post is not. Made aiming quite tricky as you can imagine. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 12:34, 3 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, I'm assuming that's been fixed by now [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:15, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::::::I hope so, was a nightmare. Still, barely used the RPK/IAR once the SAW was unlocked --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 04:44, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::::Cause the SAW's a real support weapon ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:21, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::::::::^ This, though the fact that you can change the RPK and IAR to semi-auto was a nice feature --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 06:30, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::Does IAR have better accuracy and SAW better firepower or SAW has ''both''? Because if it is the second one, IAR seems kinda... useless. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:35, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::::::::::For sure, the IAR/RPK are definitely more accurate than the SAW, the SAW is quite difficult to use at range without deploying the bipod whereas the other two don't have as much recoil. I assume the lighter support weapons are there for the more mobile, front-line support guy. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 09:18, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

Pretty sure this legit as another article is saying they're from OXM so should they be moved to the page and not discussion ? [[User:Joey1666|Joey1666]]

== why aren't confirmed weapons named? ==
such as the g3 ,m416 ,m27 iar and many more????

:Can't put leaked stuff on the page, you'd know this if you read the rest of the discussion --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 17:21, 3 August 2011 (CDT)

::yeah thats why all the weapons used in the alpha were named in an official blog and yet there still not up here , so dont tell me i need to read the discussion.

:::Do forgive me. Link to this blog? If it's legit you're free to edit the page if you wish. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 06:12, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:::I second the link request. Also, sign you posts. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:38, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

(TOSSED) RE-posting. You guys should simply look up a bit next time. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 11:18, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:Except that's not official blog. It's fanblog that also [http://bf3blog.com/battlefield-3-weapons/ makes assumptions] and [http://bf3blog.com/2011/07/battlefield-3-50-leaked-alpha-screenshots/ postes leaked stuff]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:55, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
::Looks like I'm tossing that out the window. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 13:20, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::An image which was leaked from the alpha, users of which were under a non-disclosure agreement which means we could get in trouble if we post it up here. Until we get an absolutely official list of weapons (most likely from future trailers and the public beta) the page will stay the same. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 12:27, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

== Setups ==
So what kinda weapons and setups do you guys think you're gonna use?
*Medic - G3 (or other BR) with a scope
*Engineer - M1014 (or other shotty)
*Support - M249 (or other belt fed) with a bipod
*Recon - MP7 (or other SMG/PDW) with a suppressor
*Sidearm - M1911

Obviously details will change as we get more info and after we actually play the game ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:21, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:I'll probably play support mainly, it's what I spent 80% of the alpha doing and it's where I had the most fun. M240 with bipod, optic and flash suppressor will be my class of choice. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 06:29, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:''Obviously details will change as we get more info and after we actually play the game''
:^ This --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:40, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

== PWNED #7 ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXaFw7aC9GE
A couple things I missed the first time I saw it, there's the M4, M1911, and G17, but also a Desert Eagle and MP5SD2. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:17, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:Desert Eagle? [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigNo NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:48, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

::What's up with the Desert Eagle? It's a perfectly good combat pistol *trollface*. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 06:11, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

::: :( --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:22, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

::::Developers really need to stop putting large caliber handguns and revolvers in supposedly 'realistic' games, it just feels stupid. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 06:38, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-oinyjsk0 I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?]'' --''Harold Francis "Dirty Harry" Callahan''

:::::[http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/usa/revolver/1287756474.jpg .357 Magnum Colt Whitetailer], camper's wet dream :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:45, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

:Their rack of guns at 3:06 (presumably airsoft for modelling purposes) contains an M14 and a FAMAS, might be 2 more to expect in the full game. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 17:00, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

::M1911 + M14 = Old School Pack 8) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:48, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

::Oops, I only thought to rewatch the range part, totally missed the FAMAS and M14 lol, good catch. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:15, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

== Pre-order Spectact kits ==

[http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/8472426507/2/tumblr_lpes8zstbf1r09ila][http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/8472426507/1/tumblr_lpes8zstbf1r09ila]

Some images of the exclusive Spectact kits you get via pre-order, you'll also notice that the Russian assault class soldier is holding an AEK-971

:Guess American Assault class gets XM8. Both weapons lost their respective trials. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:20, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

You do realise its just art , and probably wont be ingame --[[User:LukeWilliams010|LukeWilliams010]]

:Alright, will wait for confirmation regarding these weapons. Maybe it's just false alarm (and Desert Eagle too). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:49, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

::Nah, the AEK will most likely be in, and the AK-74M will go to the PLR faction. There's nothing official, but there's the AEK (RU) and 74M(PLR), SKS as a sniper (PLR), T-72 tanks (PLR), and MP lines recorded in English, Russian and Farsi, that's confermation enough. I've seen no evidence of the XM8, but who knows, they did say there's 10 times the unlocks as BC2... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:30, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Russian Forces clearly used AK-74M on Operation Metro map. The same is expected from final release. As for PLR, there are only silhouettes, and as such it's unclear which AK is used. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:50, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

::::The AEK will probably be a universal unlock for all factions if it is indeed in the final game (which I believe it will be, doubt they'd use a weapon in artwork and not include it in-game) --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 10:01, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

:::There most likely will be no AEK in final game. Those renders showing specact skins are pretty dated.

::::Fair enough, I didn't know that. Not too fussed either way, not a big fan of the weapon. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 16:09, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

Please no XM8, at least not in the SP. If it's an MP only gun, I could care less whether it's in or not, though. I'm buying this for the SP, which I'm hoping will be at least semi-realistic. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:18, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

:I kinda doubt they will put in the XM8, I'd rather see a full-size G36. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:25, 15 August 2011 (CDT)

==M16A3==
Demize99 tweeted that the M16A4 has been renamed to A3. Though we don't know if it still has all three modes, I'm thinking it doesn't. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:49, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

:Hmm. Full Auto M16A4 seems more plausible to me than Picatinny Railed M16A3. Maybe call it M16A5? xD --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

::Nope, the A3 is actually an A4 with full auto, I thought it was an A2-style for a long time, but looks it up, its hard to find good descriptions, but the A3 and A4 are the same except burst/auto. No one on this site gets that because this site calls every A3-style an A4 with an A2 lower. Why? Because that's what armourers built them with, since they don't have A3s. In games the weapon is whatever it's meant to be because it's not "built" on anything. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:09, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Ah, now that's funny. Turns out to be true[http://www.armyproperty.com/Equipment-Info/M16A3-A4.htm][http://world.guns.ru/assault/usa/m16-m16a1-m16a2-m16a3-e.html]. Silly 'mericans couldn't get hold of manual burst firing, Military Command had to enforce it for them :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 13:21, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

::::Hey, those are the two sites I found! I just couldn't find them again :P Anyway, look at the description on the first site, it's worded very old, saying things like identical to A2, but also same as A4. That's actually the most info I've seen on an A3 in one place, adding to the confusion, since there isn't good info around. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:16, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

:::No, Alex is wrong and so are the two websites Masterius linked to. The M16A3 is a full auto A2 (only used by SEALs and Seabees in very limited numbers), NOT a full auto A4. IMFDB policy is to identify a weapon visually, not by what the game calls it. In terms of A3 vs A4, the M16 in this game is intended to be an A4, so that's what it should be called. At least for the moment anyway. If it turns out the devs decide to axe the burst mode, we can classify it a C7A1, but until we know more, it should stay listed as an A4. I'm changing it back. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:11, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

::::Uhm, Modern Firearms is respectable source. If you are claiming that it is not that means you have a better one? And the weapon can't be C7A1 since C7A1 is [http://world.guns.ru/assault/can/diemaco-c7a1-c7a2-c-e.html Model C7FT] (Railed Model 715 itself) and Full Auto M16A4 is [http://www.colt.com/mil/M16_2.asp Model 901] (Full Auto Railed Model 705 itself). And there are differences between 705 and 715[http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/variants/]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:25, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

:Now I want to know whether Demize99 tweeted about RPK and SVD... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:25, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

::The first A3s had A2 uppers, but were later (and still are) issued with railed uppers, that's where people get confused. A3 = Rail. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:02, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, I do have a better source. It's called Defense Industry Daily [http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m-16-rifle-purchases-04517/]. Additionally, if you take a look at the M16A2 section of the [[M16 rifle series]] page, it says the exact same thing. I also never said MF ''wasn't'' a respectable source, but that doesn't alter the fact that it's wrong in this case. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

:''Other MIL-STD-1913 rails can be found on the front grips '''et. al.''' of the '''A3s''' and A4s, where they mount useful items like flashlights, laser pointers, grip pods, et. al.''
:There too. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:59, 13 August 2011 (CDT)
:'''P.S.''' Besides, why does it feature ''Wikipedia'' in '''Additional Readings'''?

::"Front grip" as in around the barrel, like a Knight's Armament M5 RAS. It has Wikipedia as an additional read because DID's article doesn't feature the M16 rifle's entire life story; Wikipedia does. In fact, why don't you take a look at Wikipedia where it states that the A3 is a full auto A2 and uses DID's article to verify it? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:07, 22 September 2011 (CDT)

:::There are a number of different rifles designated as the M16A3 by the US military. The first is what Wikipedia refers to, the Colt Model 646 which is also known as the M16A2E3, which was introduced in small numbers at the same time as the M16A2 and is an A2 with an A1 lower and was only used by the Navy and Coast Guard. Then you have the flat-top Colt Model 901 which was introduced at the same time as the M16A4 (in 1994 I think) which is basically an M16A4 with full auto rather than burst. The following is what the US army website says about the A3 and A4: ""The M-16A3 is identical to the M-16A2 but has a removable carrying handle that is mounted on a Picatinny Rail (for better mounting of optics) and is without burst control. The M-16A4 is identical to the M-16A2 except for the removable carrying handle and Picatinny Rail." I would imagine that for modularity purposes the A3 in this game is the current version (Model 901). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:22, 22 September 2011 (CDT)

::::Wow, thanks, that really clears it up, so we could call the full auto A2 the M16A2E3, and the full auto A4 the M16A3, that makes sure they have different names, right? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 22 September 2011 (CDT)

::::Interesting, found [http://compass.seacadets.org/pdf/nrtc/cb1/14234_ch3.pdf information about M16A1 and M16A2E3] on [http://www.seacadets.org/ U.S. Naval Sea Cadet Corps website]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:31, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::That PDF is actually wrong, as it states that the M16A2E3 is burst fire rather than full auto. Here is the [http://www.scribd.com/doc/29272650/MIL-R-71135-Rifle-5-56MM-M16A2E3-1992 US Army Military Specification] for the M16A2E3 from 1992 (go to page 4, and look at the fire selector section). Although calling the earlier rifle the M16A2E3 takes away the confusion, it can still correctly be called the M16A3 as it was reclassified as this, kind of like how the M16A2 was originally the M16A1E1. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:11, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

::::::True, I guess someone just got lazy and didn't give the flat top version a new name, so the 646 and 901 are BOTH A3s. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:47, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

::::::Editors probably made a mistake in ''that'' part because everywhere ''else'' it says automatic fire (right from the beginning). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:19, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

:Heh, and after more searching: [http://www.military-today.com/firearms/m16.htm] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:21, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

::Like I said, the very first A3s had A2 uppers, and after that they had rails. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:17, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Put it this way, the only times it says something about not having a top rail, it doesn't. What I mean is, it always says something really vague like "full auto version of the A2", never mentioning specifics. I have not yet read somewhere that says that the A3 has a fixed carry handle, but have seen plenty that say the opposite. The problem was someone decided a long time ago that this site was for guns that are in movies only, not a gun wiki, so since the A3 is not in any civvie hands, and therefore not in any movies, it shouldn't be mentioned. All "A3"s in movies are A4s with A2 lowers, that is what the armourer used. However with the addition of newer weapons, and therefore newer entries, and the addition of games, where the guns don't really exist and therefore ARE anything, things are being added that never were before. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Mk.18 is only a military weapon, right? That means that, say, in the first Transformers movie Josh Duhamel's Mk.18 wouldn't have been a real Mk.18, but some Civvie M4 with a short barrel and such, made to look exactly the same as one. But that doesn't make it a Mk.18, however it IS listed as such. I may be wrong and it might actually be a Mk.18, but then Canadian C7-series is a better example: NO civvies have them. Period. But it still has an entry, as it is in Reality Mod, among a few others. Now we see the problem with not having an M16A3 entry: there might not be any in civvie hands, but there are some in games, like BF3, but COD4 singleplayer comes to mind as well, and I'm sure there are others. Hmm, I guess what this comes down to is we need an M16A3 listing on the M16 page. All of them should be listed, even if the only info is the name, a sentence about the weapon, and mention that it has never been in anything, otherwise we get stuff like everyone on the site getting false info about a particular weapon, and this happens. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:14, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

::::That ''is'' specific. "Full auto version of the A2" means it's externally identical to the A2, but has fully automatic. I don't see how that's vague. If you've got a credible source saying A3s are "now issued" with flat top uppers, I'd like to see it. But if you look at the pattern of M16 rifle development, it's very likely that such a modification would bear a designation other than A3 (the only two exceptions to this in the platform's history were the Air Force's 11.5" barreled XM177s and when the Army dropped the Model 777 M4 for the Model 920 M4. Josh Duhamal used an M933 in Transformers, not a Mark 18. Mark 18-type carbines with 10.3" or 10.5" barrels can be had by anyone with proper licensing. But the reason we have Mark 18 mock-ups in movies listed as Mark 18s is because, like I already pointed out, it's IMFDB policy to identify the weapon on a visual basis. If it ''looks'' like a Mark 18, we ''call it'' a Mark 18 unless some other way of concretely identifying the weapon (such as an armorer ID) comes along. Your argument about civilian acquisition is a dead end since armorers like MPM are civilians, yet have fully automatic M4s, AK-47s, M60s, and so on in their possession. The only games I've played with full auto M16A4s are CoD4 and MoH, the pages for both of which identify the rifle as an M16''A4''. If you want an A3 category added, either take a look at the [[Talk:M16_rifle_series#Do_well_really_need_to_have_an_.22A2.22_and_.22A3.22_category.3F|M16 rifle talk page to see why it was deleted]] (where MPM himself states that the M16A3 has the same upper receiver as the A2) or come to the forum and state your case as to why said category should be reinstated. But as per IMFDB policy, the M16 on this page should be classified as an A4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:14, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::As soon as my problems with registration are solved, I'll bring this discussion to the light. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:44, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::Bah. Is there any other way to contact forum administration other than through the forum? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:02, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

::::::Leave a message on [[User:MT2008|MT2008's]] talk page about it. He's an administrator on the forum. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:01, 22 September 2011 (CDT)

== Both M16s ==
Demize confirms multiple M16s! I'm expecting the A3 and A4 obviously [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:05, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

:Hmm, that's pretty cool. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:32, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

:Now that's something I would like to take a look at in Beta :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:44, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

::He also confirmed not everything's in the Beta, but hopefully these two will be. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:22, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

:::I see very little point in including 2 M16 models, just takes up space that could be filled with something new :\ --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 04:52, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

::::The automatic one will probably be the starting weapon to balance it against another starting weapon, and burst fire one will probably be for everyone to use as an unlock. You see, so that to please everyone :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::I gueessssss, suppose they don't have to remodel it or anything either, just change the weapon's code/animations. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 05:58, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

::::::I think the A4 should be the starter and the A3 should be the unlock, makes much more sense to me. The starter ARs in COD4 were the M16A4 and AK-47 and that was just fine. Or maybe you can modify a base M16 into other variants. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:09, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::::I guessed it right: Demize has confirmed that M16A3 will be the default US assault rifle for the Assault kit[http://twitter.com/#!/Demize99/status/102776416898265088] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:00, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

== Gamescom trailers and official gameplay vids ==
We've got official footage for 2 weapons, one already known (MP-443), and one all-new (SCAR-H CQC with Grippod and Aimpoint optic). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDDfPxF3EFE . In the Co-Op live gameplay from the devs, one of them picks up an unknown pump action shotgun with a 4+1 capacity.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 11:06, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:Nice! Wonder if SCAR-L in? Oh, and they give civilian shotguns to military again! *shakes head* Already noticed that with M1014 before. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:44, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

There isnt 2 m16 models , where do you get your info lol there is one the m16a3

== INCOMING ==

[http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/images/news3/fact_sheet2.jpg *kaboom*]

EA just released the fact sheet with all the weapons/attachments/specs listed, there's the weapon page.

EDIT:[http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=165281 and here's your proof]
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 13:22, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

Is that M39 the Finnish Mosin-Nagant? Or is there another battle rifle that uses the M39 designation? Also, that list is missing the Groza bullpup AR that one dev caught one of the testers reloading.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 13:42, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

The M39 refers to the M14 variant used by the Marines [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M39_Enhanced_Marksman_Rifle (this)]. And the Groza bullpup was actually the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-91 A-91] (not the 9A-91 from BC2... Russian weapon designations are confusing)

--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 13:56, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:Good find, kinda wish I hadn't looked at it though XD --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 14:11, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:: AHAHAHAHA, "SCAR H CQB" made my day. But at least they wrote ACOG, not ACOG Sight, nor ACOG Scope. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:30, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:::That is what FN Herstal calls it [http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=184&backPID=182&productID=10&pid_product=232&pidList=182&categorySelector=1&detail] though does it really belong in the carbines section? I would have thought it still belonged with the battle rifles. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 14:38, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

::::They call it CQC, C for Combat not B for Battle. But calling it CQB is still more correct than calling it simply SCAR-H, like in Modern Warfail 2, because that usually refers to SCAR-H STD, the one w/ the normal length barrel. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:47, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::I see, fair enough. As you said though, at least they were slightly closer than some games. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 14:51, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

Well, this does nothing to allay my fears about it being a generic AMURIKA V EVUL ARABS AND KOMMIES shooter. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:37, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
: Also, looks like y'all missed them calling it the M93R, rather than just the 93R like it should be. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:39, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

::A few things; first, it looks like this list is a little dated, as Demize confirmed both M16s, but even though details might have changed, I bet this is a 100% list. Second, remember this doesn't include stuff like the M320 (as it's a Gadget in terms of game), and mounted weapons. Third, I'm assuming the M39 (M14) will be semi only, as only it and the SKS are in the Battle Rifle section, with the G3 moved to Assault Rifles. Similarly, I'm betting the Glock 18 and Beretta 93R will be auto and burst only, otherwise the Glock 17 and M9 would be pretty useless. Fourth, notice that there is a P90 AND a P90TR. I'm thinking if you attach an RDS to the P90TR, it becomes the standard one, like COD4's MP5SD. Lastly, what's a T44 pistol? I did a quick search and all I got was this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/T44.jpg Oh, also, I'm totally using the M82 with irons, just for kicks :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:49, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:::I'm thinking the "T44" might be the sidearm for Iranian forces, like the KH2002 will be their assault rifle. I don't know what it could be referring to, though; as far as I know, Iran uses P226 copies as their standard sidearm.

This looks ''really'' suspicious to me. No G36E (as was expected from BF2 (L85 too)), no SG 550 (as was confirmed by Demize), no multiple M16 (wasn't that said by Demize?), "Battle Rifles" actually being Marksman Rifle (M39) and Semi-Automatic Carbine (SKS), several weapons being ported from BC2 (AEK-971, A-91, PP-2000, Saiga-20K, MP-412) instead of BF2 (Bizon or Vityaz, Saiga-12K) for no reason; Beretta 93R and Glock 18 are actually law enforcement automatic pistols and will overshadow regular pistols... And T44? WW2 prototype gun being put in pistols?

If this "fact" sheet was putted on [http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/ official Battlefield Blog], I would have believed it. As of now I take it with a grain of salt. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:38, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

: The sheet lists an SG553 in the carbines section. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:14, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

::That would be like someone saying: "We want M4 in BC2!" and someone responded: "There is M16 there". One weapon is assault rifle and other is carbine. They shouldn't cancel each other. Really. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:23, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

Also, how exactly do you think the "straight pull bolt" under the weapon accessories could work? Either it will be some bullshit about somehow putting a straight pull bolt on bolt actions to increase ROF which will annoy the hell out of me, or I suppose it could be putting a straight pull bolt on assault/battle rifles to increase accuracy and turn them into sort of sniper rifles. Either way, I don't like it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:32, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

T44 is what they are calling the [[Taurus Model 44]] revolver. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:35, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

:Hmm, so the revolver unlocks are Russian .357 Magnum and Brazilian .44 Magnum... American .357 Magnum like Colt and S&W would have been more reasonable, honestly... But yeah, some wouldn't want revolvers in military shooters at all. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

::Sigh, more revolvers. I'm assuming that the straight pull bolt will be for snipers as opposed to assault/battle rifles, either for bolt actions to increase ROF (even though straight pulls are supposedly more tiring than turn bolts) or for the semi-auto snipers for a bit more accuracy? Teeny tiny list of machine guns, sadface. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 06:23, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

== Weapon Reloads ==

Anybody seen the GamesCom Coop-Demo? I just noticed how the guy reloads his empty shotgun. First round into the chamber, all the following into the tube. I think they got it right this time. [[User:Killerpixel|Killerpixel]] 10:08, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

:I didn't see that one, but I saw the M1014 reload in the leaked alpha footage, and it does do that :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 10:19, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

::Tactical pistol reloads too :o --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 10:30, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

== MP7A1 Alpha Gameplay ==

The amount of Alpha gameplay videos on Youtube is insane, but in one of them I did see an MP7A1. Looked like the same model used in the Medal of Honor reboot. It was only seen for a moment, so hopefully someone can add more information? [[User:Miyazawa|Miyazawa]] 22:11, 18 August 2011 (CDT)

:The MP7 is setup the same way as the MoH one, using the stock, grip, and pistol sights, but obviously has a proper empty reload. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:44, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

I have tried to add the MP7A1 on the BF3 weapon listing underneath the submachine guns but someone keeps on deleting it. I havent uploaded an image from youtube because honestly I dont know how, can someone help out with this and stop deleting this post as the weapon IS CONFIRMED. [[User:Valant]] 2:58PM, September 9, 2011 (PST)
: No, it's not. You're not allowed to post anything from the Alpha build. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:18, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

Valant here reposting MP7 gameplay, and to reply YES I CAN post because most weapons you see on page from the alpha/PAX gameshows. In fact for the most part all of the weapons should be deleted because they are from the same build. I have provided a link to show first hand footage. Once the game is released and this is fact checked, the comment I left before can be deleted. Here is the link again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuvvdBhH0r4

It's just not getting into your head, isn't it? Screencaps from non-official/leaked footage are STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. SO yeah, it's nice and all that you're linking that in the discussion, but please DO NOT edit the main page again until beta comes out. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 17:51, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

Oh REALLY? Because last time I checked there are several screen caps and images that are of some low quality camera taking a picture of a screen DURING ALPHA! Check the muther f*****g G36C section, or The UMP45, the AK74M, the DIO KH2002, and G3A3. These are all weapons from the same build of the game and these have pages, ergo the MP7 should have its own section. Now, im off to put the post BACK UP so suck it.

:You are confusing Closed Alpha with NDA and Game Shows (Expos) intended for public. Those ones are categorised as Pre-alpha‎ (expos before Alpha) and Pre-beta (expos after Alpha). And you are just asking to get reported. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 13:03, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

.....reported.....really....well then if thats the case as I posted on another MP7 related discussion below Ill wait till the "official" news about it comes out
== Full Auto Carbine ==

Been reading and watching videoa and they all have the M4A1 listed as a carbine. Does anyone know if the M4A1 fires full auto, three round bursts, or a single shot when fired?

The M4A1 is a carbine that is full auto or semi, just like real life, is that wierd? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:44, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

== Carbines ==
What makes me really happy is they got the term Carbine right; the M4A1 is an M16 Carbine, the AKS-74U is an AK-74 Carbine, the SCAR-H CQC is a SCAR Carbine, the G36C is a G36 Carbine, the SG553 is a SG550 Carbine, and, well, you could call the A-91 an AKM Carbine I guess. That's also why the relatively short HK416 is in the Assault Rifle section and not the Carbine one: it's not a Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:52, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

:'''Trivia Information''':

:IRL in addition to Assault Rifle and Carbine category, there is also so called Sub-Carbine category (that is, shorter than Carbine). Four of the above mentioned pairs have three guns in these categories (and three of these four pairs even have additionally Automatic Rifle/Light Machine Gun variant but that's a different story). And here is the list:

:M4 Commando < M4 < M16
:AKS-74U < AK-105 < AK-74(M)
:G36C < G36K(E) < G36(E)
:SG 553 < SG 551 < SG 550

:And to which category HK416 belongs, [http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/hk416_specs.asp depends on the variant]. Quite a list, isn't it? ;)

:And while AKM didn't have official carbine (there was [http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php?topic=11481.0 a prototype] and that's it), SKS can be considered one somewhat :P

:Maybe that was interesting to read :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 16:45, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

== Again... ==

What's with the people using this "fact sheet" to clutter the main page with weapon titles. Can't they wait for more substantial material before adding stuff? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:02, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

:Agreed; pages that are just lists of weapons without pictures or really any info look terrible, let's wait for them to show up. The people who care can find it here on the talk page, or Google :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:20, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

:Leaked info is not allowed, and entries with no pics or info aren't very much liked either. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:29, 23 August 2011 (CDT)

:^ Precisely. Official artwork, renders, graphical announcements (like that for Physical Warfare Pack, or Battlelog), screenshots, trailers, gameplay videos; screenshots made from official trailers and gameplay videos. All those things will do. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:50, 24 August 2011 (CDT)

==UMP==

you can see it in a video from nvidia, the player to the right of the interview, you can see him using a UMP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiCNdEYCtgs

unkown what calibre, but im just gonna assume its UMP45 --[[User:Sike|Sike]] 06:38, 21 August 2011 (CDT)

==HK416==

another video from nvidia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUyIIIKta44

if you pause at 0:30 it looks like the HK416--[[User:Sike|Sike]] 06:42, 21 August 2011 (CDT)

:M27 IAR, to be specific. Based on the HK416, yes, but not a normal HK416. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:25, 21 August 2011 (CDT)
:: Well the Hk146 is in, it appeared on the battlelog stat page. --[[User:Sike|Sike]] 09:25, 22 August 2011 (CDT)

== Weird Weapon ==

What is that weapon the guy starts using at 2:24, in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiCNdEYCtgs ? It looks like an AS VAL, but that optic setup is weird. I wish they sticked to the real life russian optics, instead of creating rail-attaching versions. E.g.: The PK-AS (russian holographic) is actually offset to the left side of the gun, not aligned with the bore or mounted on a rail.[[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 08:20, 21 August 2011 (CDT)

:Maybe it's quite hard to get hands on real Russian weapons in Sweden, so work is done with what's available... Oh, and PK-AS isn't holographic sight, it's reflex sight. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:56, 21 August 2011 (CDT)

:It might be the VSS. You can use iron sights on a sniper rifle so they might allow you to use reflex and holographic sights as well.

:There's no VSS, there's a VAL, but this guy's an Engineer, so it doesn't matter either way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:14, 22 August 2011 (CDT)

== Fact Sheet ==

People, while it has been confirmed that the fact sheet is indeed official, it's also been confirmed that it '''IS NOT A FINAL LIST''', it only shows the equipment available '''SO FAR'''. So don't worry, I'm sure many more equipment options will come (I hope these include an MP5). [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 20:34, 22 August 2011 (CDT)

:Well, Demize wouldn't confirm whether the Karkand guns will be able to be used in standard BF3, but the way he said it seemed to hint they might, so I'm betting we'll see the MP5 and PP-19 Bizon. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:26, 22 August 2011 (CDT)

Gonzaga that's pretty much false hope , because there not going to release an official fact sheet and then add "many more guns" its not even wishful thinking its just stupid.and Alex when somethings is unconfirmed that doesn't mean its automatically going to be in the game, and if its anything like bfbc2 which it is, the guns will be seperate like the Vietnam expansion.

: First, no need to call me stupid. And second, do you really think they can't add more stuff to the game 3 months away from the release? Not even the beta is out! Plus, by equipment I didn't necessarily mean more weapons. I guess you thought so because my example was a weapon.[[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 18:03, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

I did not call you stupid, I called your idea stupid.You really think that there going too add tonnes more "equipment" after they've released an official statement than that is stupid.

:What's stupid here is you not signing your posts. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:06, 27 August 2011 (CDT)

::Lol owned :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:47, 27 August 2011 (CDT)

== SKS has a plastic stock ==
Demize confirmed. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:36, 23 August 2011 (CDT)

== Battlefield 3 full weapons list ==
It is up on official [http://bf3blog.com/2011/08/complete-list-of-battlefield-3-weapons/ bf3 blog].

:That's not the official blog. As it says in the description, it's a fan site. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 05:21, 24 August 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, but it is news of an actual official announcement. --[[User:Nomad175|Nomad175]] 00:00, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

:::The announcement was leaked, meaning that the information it contains has no place on the main page. Until we get official imagery of each weapon, they should not be added to the main page. Just makes everything look a bit messy and half-arsed if you ask me. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 06:49, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

== About SVD ==

So were there any news from Demize or some official material released that confirmed that the magazine for SVD was fixed or not? Should it have been changed to NDM-86 on the main page? Only seen it in leaked Alpha (which ''could'' have been a temporal state, considering that SVU in BC2 had proper magazine (SVD and SVU use the same one), and this one probably ported from MoH for testing purposes). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:35, 24 August 2011 (CDT)

== Battleblog #8 ==
Sig 553 and Strela/Igla launcher confirmed in a post on the official Battlefield blog [http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2011/08/25/battleblog-8-build-your-weapon-of-choice.aspx] --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 10:46, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

:Heh, suppressive fire with carbine :) And the modelled launcher is [[SA-7 Grail|Strela-2]] (NATO reporting name: SA-7 Grail) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 13:22, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

:: Thought as much, was the disk-shape thingy at the front that gave it away. <3 the weapon customisation that BF3 will offer though, gonna be awesome. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 14:46, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Well, the primary indicator for Strela-2 is that, errr, under-barrel thingy with tube-and-spike shape while every other model is ball-and-tube. Here is a nice chart: [http://blueprintbox.com/watermark-gif.php?img=./data/media/384/sa-14-strela-gremlin.gif]
:::And yeah, customisation is great \o/ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:22, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

::::That's the bit I meant, forgive my extremely technical description XD --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 17:06, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::Oh, heh, right. Thought you meant the launcher tube itself :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:47, 26 August 2011 (CDT)

The incoming weapon modification options seem very exciting....lots of options to tailor your weapon to your specifics. However, the only detail about the blog that keeps me sceptical is the fact that you need to unlock every feature for each weapon individually. Knowing that from MW2 that would mean hours and hours and hours of playing with just one weapon to finally unlock the parts needed to tailor it to your specifics, only to then unlock the next weapon you've been longing for and then you need to start again from scratch with that weapon. Rather frustrating IMO. Would a better idea to make the modification parts a global unlock, so that once you unlock say supressors with an assault rifle, it counts for ALL other assault rifles too...same with LMG's, Pistols, Shotgungs, etc. [[User:WARthog|WARthog]] 03:05, 26 August 2011 (CDT)

== "T44" ==
Found it; 2nd video, 21 seconds in. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:13, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

Link please? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 09:25, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

OOPS, sorry, here:
http://ob-game.blogspot.com/2011/08/battlefield-3-three-videos-from-pax.html
[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:57, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

ummm you're wrong thats an mp412 , the scope also looks russian which gives it away

:Actually it doesn't look like the Mp412 at all or the T44, it looks a little different, take a look at this image I snapped of it
: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/mp412orcoltpython.jpg/
: To me it almost looks like a Colt Python from Black Op's, notice the iron sights, front and rear (the white markings) and the silhouette of the barrel and cylinder as well as the positioning of the grip, it's hard to say but my vote is towards a Colt Python. DICE did say they were going to add Faction specific weapons and if you look a little earlier the guy was using a Stinger. I'd think a Colt Python .357 Magnum would go nicely as a US analogue to the Russian MP412 .357 Magnum. Also to the Scope, it could just be a Russian style scope attached to a US weapon, they did say that the customization was huge so it's a possibility [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:47, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

Its an mp412 , if it was a python it would have grooves down the barrel housing which it doesn't its solid like the mp412 also I noticed the break action latch near the iron sight, which also corresponds to the mp412 , the python does not have a break open design. *Edit* also the colt python is not in the game.

:The devs didn't say there isn't any other revolver in the game, thus shouldn't you, Persistent Mr. Anonymous. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:17, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

:Well, it's NOT a 412, but it could be a Python, some S&W, the Raging Bull, I don't know. The lighting's wierd, but it looks stainless to me, which would be good if the MP412 is black. The SKS, which is synth, has been spotted with an EOTech, so unlocking American optics for Russian guns and vice versa is confirmed. I'm thinking every optic, with the exception of the 6x and 12x sniper scopes, can be used on anything. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:33, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

Ok, if you cant indentify that gun, then you shouldn't really be on the site to be honest, because you can clearly tell that's a mp412 the colt python has barrel housing grooves this doesnt it solid like an mp412 , you can also see the break action latch is,colt pythons dont have this because they are not break reloaders. *Edit* and how can you say that it is stainless? its clearly black with a synthetic grip.
:In that case, by your rationale you should leave right now. Ignoring everything else about the gun, look at the muzzle end. This pistol has a rounded barrel with a raised rib. The Mp412 does not. Also, the locking indents on the cylinder are wrong for a MP412, where they are small cuts coming from the rear of the cylinder, rather than the more traditional ones shown here. The part of the frame that meets the rear of the cylinder is also wrong for a MP412, which would have a "step" rather than a smooth ramp where it widens to the width of the cylinder. Due to the motion blur ghosting on this image it is really hard to tell anything about it so we will just have to wait and see. Also, sign your posts and stop being so condescending. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:22, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

Also, just noticed that in the same clip the person in front of you has a G36C, so that can go ahead and be confirmed, along with the Stinger for that matter. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:47, 2 September 2011 (CDT)
[[File:Battlefield 3 Tourney PAX Prime Day 2 Wrap Up.mp4 000021722.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[File:Battlefield 3 Tourney PAX Prime Day 2 Wrap Up.mp4 000021255.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Hmm, these are official videos, not DICE ones, but offical meaning by a site/company etc; should they be added to the main page? It's kind of a grey area. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:25, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

::PAX and NVIDIA are definitely can be considered official source just as E3 and IGN. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:40, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

ok lets just leave it as the t44/mp412 for now, if we cant agree on what gun it is, then theres no point arguing senselessly we'll have to wait until the game comes out to properly identify it --[[User:Lukewilliams010|Lukewilliams010]] 14:10, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

==M4 and M4A1==

Was just browsing through twitter when i noticed something.

http://twitter.com/#!/Demize99/status/108437158804717568

both the M4 and M4A1 is in. like how the the M16A3 and A4 are in. --[[User:Sike|Sike]] 10:54, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

:Now that's amuses me because I had ''exact'' the same thoughts. Seems I wasn't alone xD --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:10, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

::Seems to me more that BF3 will have much more weapons than we thought. Well, let's just pick one up and kick some asses with it :) --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:12, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

I think its pretty cool they are getting multiple variants for each gun. Heres hoping for an AK-47 unlock.--[[User:N-10 Aden|N-10 Aden]] 12:06, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

On the same twitter he makes a point of saying that the M4A1 was designed for special forces whereas the standard weapon that would be found being used by Marines is the M4. My spidey sense is telling me that the standard weapons will be the burst M4 and M16A4, and they will be upgradable to full auto M4A1 and M16A3 (flat-top receiver won't tally and the number will make no sense to the layman but whatever). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:46, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

:Nope, he already said the full auto ones are default. But I'd figure in SP we're more likely to see the burst ones. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:31, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

::SP: M4 for regular Marines, M4A1 for USSOCOM units, something like that. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:50, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

:In any case, it's awesome they added variants of many weapons. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 17:46, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

::Indeed. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:28, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

Can't remember where I saw it from, probably from Battlefield wiki but I remember seeing that the weapon variants were based on each Classes Kit selection. So for example, take the Assault class, as it's being merged with the Medic Class, Players would have the option to equip either a Grenade Launcher of carry around a Medkit. So for example, an M16A3 could be default setting with a Medkit as a piece of equipment but the M16A4 is used when attaching a grenade launcher. But that's just my theory [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:37, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

::It's not really merging, they're just going back to how they had it in BF2142 (Assault = Medic + Assault, Recon = Sniper + Special Forces, Engineer = Anti-tank + Engineer and Support = um, Support, his main "thing" being his extra droppable things like a portable shield and a sentry gun). In 2142 every Assault had a Medkit since you don't want to give your medics the option of being even more useless, the optional item for the Assault class was the defib. The fastest way to get TK'd as Assault was to have someone realise you weren't carrying one. I imagine this one will be the same, Support will always have an ammo box and assault will always have a health box. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:35, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

==PWP Trailer==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ukxgldpOo&feature=feedu

warning, containts footage from operation metro they some players may find offensive. --[[User:Sike|Sike]] 08:58, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

:That is... ''SKS''? Reminds me of AK-47 in MW2 *sadface*
:Another thing noted: incorrect reticles for M145 and PKS-07 are still in... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:27, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

::Remember though DICE did say that you can "customize" your weapon, that might be a SKS just heavily modified by the player rather than appearing as the "actual" weapon. Who know's if we're lucky, the SKS might be featured as standard in it's default config [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 13:12, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

:::As much as I would want it to be, I doubt that what DICE meant by customization. BF3 so far doesn't seem to have customization as elaborate as, for example, [[Ghost Recon: Future Soldier]]. Thus this tacticool SKS is probably the only one *sadface* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 13:44, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

:"DAO-12" -.-... OMG! What the heck is their deal with the DAO-12? Can't they just call it how it supposed to be called?! --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:01, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

::DICE seems to have obsession with this "designation" as it tracks way back from Battlefield 2 (2005) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:16, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

DAO-12 was used because of a legal conflict with Armsel using the Striker name, it became a fan favorite so they kept the name. --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 14:09, 2 September 2011 (CDT)
i asked Demize on twitter and he replied saying it was a homage to BF2 --[[User:Sike|Sike]] 14:12, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

:Exactly, and we all know how bad most gamers are at identifying weapons, the MW3 crowd widely believed the ACR was a SCAR because the ACR was tan (in MW2 the SCAR was tan and the ACR was this ugly grey colour, and now the ACR is tan). If they renamed it Striker a lot of BF players would think it was a different gun :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:20, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

::Er, that doesn't really sound like a bad thing :/ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:29, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

i asked demize about it, and he said they named it the DAO-12 as a homage to BF2 --[[User:Sike|Sike]] 07:57, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

== M39 EMR confirmed ==
I asked demize if there was an m14 battle rifle and he replied ,and said there is a M39 EMR so that can now be added to the weapons list.--[[User:Lukewilliams010|Lukewilliams010]] 16:07, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

:He also said SG 550 would be in, official blog showed SG 553. And SKS is "SKS". We need official ''illustrated'' material. As soon as it is available - go ahead, put it in. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 16:29, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

:Yup, if we don't have a picture, don't add it, even if it's not leaked. It's not like we won't have everything up pretty soon. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:53, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

== M4A1/M16 Gas block question ==

I've seen quite a few topics concerning the lack of a visible gas block on the M4's and M16's in a number of shooters, and I was wondering if it was possible that the gas blocks could be either low-profile gas blocks that were either not visible or were actually under the RAS, or if the gas blocks were actually integrated into an after-market RAS. It seems odd to me that developers would repeatedly make the same mistake over different games in different franchises.

:It's possible to just remove the front sight without removing the gas block on a standard M16 rifle and M4 but it'd be a little exposed. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:23, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

::Do you mean with a hacksaw? Aren't the gas block and front sight a single piece of metal? It is however possible to get a low profile gas block (relatively easy replacement) that only extends above the barrel to the height of the gas tube plus a few mm, so that certain free floating RIS systems can be mounted over the top of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:39, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

:::That was my question; with all the Military consultants they have coming in and looking at this stuff, I'd always assumed that they had just modeled an after market RIS and low-profile gas-block.
--[[User:Hominis Solus|Hominis Solus]] 21:58, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

:I wonder why developers won't just model Flat Top Mounts\Risers on the sights for M4s\M16s ? That's how the problem is solved IRL, including in U.S. Military. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:16, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
::I'd imagine that most modellers don't realise that the front sight is also the gas block, so they see no problem in removing it for aesthetic/gameplay purposes. 99% of gamers probably don't realise either. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:15, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

:::Both the modellers and the gamers doesn't supposed to care about this kind of things, only people like us, it can concern. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 09:31, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

:It was well after I got into learning about firearms and such that I found out the front sight (gas block) and stock tube (buffer tube) are required for the AR series to function, so you can't remove either pretty much. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:53, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

::It's true that the stock front sight post is also the same piece of metal as the gas block, but you can remove them so long as you put a new gas block on.
--[[User:Hominis Solus|Hominis Solus]] 21:58, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, I meant you can't just take it off :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:30, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

== A-91 ==
Confirmed to be the more modern 5.56mm version by Demize. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:08, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

== Guillotine Teaser Trailer ==
Anyone else seen it? There's a mortar that the player-character uses to send up flares (I think they called them illumination rounds) and I think the player-character also uses a Mk. 17 with some sort of 4x scope. Sorry, I'm still fairly new to this. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 05:27, 12 September 2011 (CDT)
:I think the mortar is an M224, and yes it was a Mk.17 with an ACOG (magazine looked a bit small in the mag-well, but could be the angle as could only be seen when climbing the wall). Also, it looks like the guy who is stabbed at the end of the video is carrying a G3A3 with an ACOG. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:35, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

== M16 series reload animation ==

I'm fairly new to this site, though I've been following it closely to see the development of the firearms that will appear in Battlefield 3.
I've been reading that a lot of you guys are expecting an accurate portrait of the M16 series reload animation in the game. I just wanted to ask how do you properly reload an M16 in real life? It is my understanding that when the rifle is empty, you load it by pulling the charging handle. But when there is a bullet still in the chamber you just need to press the bolt catch. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I just want to get this clarified since I've never been able to understand the reload mechanic of the M16.
[[User:Santos|Santos]] 01:14, 16 September 2011 (CDT)
:With the exception of loading the gun for the first time or clearing a jam, you never need to touch the charging handle. If you are reloading from a partial magazine, there will be a round in the chamber so all you need to do is drop out the magazine and push a new one in. When you you empty the magazine in an M16 type weapon the bolt locks back automatically, so you drop out the magazine, put a new one in, and then all you need to do is push the bolt release on the left side to let the bolt go forwards (you can also push the forward assist if you feel like it). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:20, 16 September 2011 (CDT)
::Well, the third reason you might is if you just picked it up off the ground, to check it's still mechanically sound. Though that sorta falls under clearing a jam. Edit: Also you might part-pull it on drawing it if you're into brass checks, though given how often FPS characters change weapons habitually brass-checking on draw would probably indicate a very short memory. "Yep, still there from ten seconds ago, how bout that." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:09, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

You could rack the charging handle if you like, but the proper way to reload and empty M16 type weapon is to just slap the bolt release. I call it the ping pong paddle. A lot of games forgets about little things like reloads for weapons [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:02, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

== Who removed the MP7!?! ==

Okay, who took away the MP7 from the submachine gun catergory? I spent a whole 20 minutes adding that section of the article and some guy just deleted it. Why? It was really in the game and not in any way spammy or vestigial. Whoever took away put it back. Come on, I don't want to remake the whole thing.

THere are NO official images of it. And no official video footage has featured it. Don't post images from the Alpha --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:20, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

But the fact remains that it has been seen in the game, and it was already on the page before I made the changes.

Why can't I use the Alpha? I don't know if there is or is not a rule regarding alpha version footage and stuff. I thought the purpose of this site was to chronicle what weapons were used in what movies/games/TV/Anime. If I have evidence that the MP7 is in BF3, why does it matter whether or not it was from the Alpha or official footage? The image I used was from a gameplay video I saw on Youtube. Does this mean no one can use their own gameplay videos?

:No, it means that you have to wait for officially released material or for the game to actually come out. This applies to leaked gameplay footage, images from leaked betas, dubious leaked information in general (eg the MW3 leaks from Kotaku) unapproved on-set photos, leaked movie footage like that infamous cut of ''X-Men Origins: Wolverine'', and so on. Building an article is not a race, if we have to wait to confirm something is official, that's what we do. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:49, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

I suppose that makes sense, I'm gonna keep that in mind when making contributions in the future.

I thought anything to do with the Alpha was under an NDA anyway? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 04:31, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, if you look at the screencap he posted the guy who leaked it deliberately blacked out his own name. Obviously knew he shouldn't have been recording it and posting it in the first place. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:47, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

Okay, for the last frickin' time. Please DO NOT add weapons that are not in any official gameplay vids/trailers/screenshots, until they are.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 14:02, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

@ HashiriyaR32: Hey! I was also someone who tried adding the section of the MP7. Its in the alpha videos but to be fair, so is every freaking gun that is on this page! The only videos that are available are the ones from the alpha. Seriously take the amount of time it takes to delete the post and go onto youtube and see for yourself! In fact, after posting this I will repost the MP7 with a link to the youtube video...Also FYI I happen to love this website and for all it stands for and I try to monitor several different games to make sure the info is correct, I would never want to add something that didnt exist in a videogame/movie. Valant

:What? Nothing on the page is from the alpha, everything's from screenshots, trailers, concept art, or official videos, like EA Pwned, IGN, etc. If you don't believe me, give me an example. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:52, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

@Valant, its as simple as this. To take part in the Alpha you had to sign a non disclosure agreement. That means that any footage that you have seen was illegally distributed. Until guns show up in an official (and legal) source, they shouldn't be listed here. The MP7 may very well be a weapon in the game, but the point is that at this point that information has not been publicly release, to say nothing of the fact that legal screenshots cannot be posted on here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:11, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

:Right, and as soon as the Beta is out, we can add everything, it's only a week-ish, and besides, WE all know the MP7 & others are in, and they can be mentioned on the talk page, just the official page can't have it. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:39, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

Then I should just delete this whole page then shouldnt I? Because again every weapon we are seeing IS NOT CONFIRMED! There is no beta released and only Alpha videos....Seriously this is bullshit
:The difference is that all the other weapons are from material that was released by EA, or from footage that they allowed to be shot (The images from the G36C section are from an interview with one of the developers IIRC) as opposed to the video you posted which was illegal made and distributed by someone breaking the NDA they signed. As you seem unable to grasp this, just wind your neck in for a week or so until the Beta is released, and then it can be posted with LEGALLY obtained confirmation images. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:15, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

If posting info from a breach of NDA is the main reason than I can understand that. Then I shall wait for the "official" information to be released.
== G3A3 and UMP.45 ==
The weapons can be seen in these videos from GameSpot in the Tokyo Game Show 2011.
Though it's cam footage you can clearly see the pick-up icon of the weapons.

Someone should work their magic and add those to the page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0M7_3wENw Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbsI9Vsv5wE Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arOhTIaeGGY Part 3

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 12:59, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

:I can have it down in about 20 minutes. --[[User:Samael527|Samael527]]

:I would imagine that if it is cam footage it has likely not been officially release and is against copyright, so probably shouldn't have caps on here. You can get a shot of the G3A3 from the end of the guillotine trailer though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:05, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

::I added the two weapons on the page. Since the videos were not leaked but released by a reputable game journalism/review site (Gamespot.com) it should be okay, right? If they weren't allowed to release it Gamespot wouldn't have done so. I looked around and other gaming websites are posting the footage as well [http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-11-battlefield-3/721062]. I'm pretty new to IMFDB, so is the stuff I saw in the gameplay okay to post? --[[User:Samael527|Samael527]]

::Similary to E3 with IGN, PAX with NVIDIA, TGS with GameSpot definitely can be considered official source. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:53, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

== M1911 Confirmed ==

http://gunclub.ea.com/us/intel/blog/battlefield3-weapon-unlock

For being an EA gunclub member you get an M1911 :P --Joey1666

Pic here: http://web-vassets.ea.com/Assets/Richmedia/Gun-Club/images/bf3-gun-unlock.jpg --[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:39, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

:Not too sure exactly what pistol they have based this on though. It has slanted cocking serrations on the slide (rear only), non target sights, beavertail grip safety and a rounded burr hammer. Closest thing I can think of is the early version of the [[1911#M-45_MEUSOC|M-45 MEUSOC]], which are a old USGI 1911 frame with a [[1911#Springfield_Armory_M1911_-_A1|Sprinfield Armoury]] slide, a rounded hammer, a beavertail grip safety and Pachmayr rubber grips (along with some other less obvious improvements). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:58, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, I'm pretty sure it IS the original version of the MEU. Also, you missed the Springfield 3-hole trigger. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:24, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

:Gun Club? Looks like EA is messing up again: http://gunclub.ea.com/us/mygunclub/rewards
:They haven't even fixed the stat tracking :S --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:12, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

== Battlefield 3 Open Beta ==

So, EA confirmed the PC/X360/PS3 BETA startup. Begining 27.09 for those who have MoH 2010 Tier One Edition, and 29.09 for the rest.
Good opportunity to test the game and get some guns updated :). ~ GumBoy 21.09.2011 16.07 (CET)

:Actually, the early access is open for people with the Medal of Honor Limited Edition as well, not just Tier One. It's also for people who pre-ordered before a certain cutoff, but I can't remember the specifics. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:10, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

::Can't wait for this, hope we get a different map this time, Operation Metro was good but not great. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 09:37, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

:::Caspian Border would be great :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:06, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

== PP2000 Spotted ==
Battlelog pics here: http://www.battlefieldlog.com/2011/09/battlefield-3-beta-battlelog.html

Pic here: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pdUIBRNHpXo/Tn4uZQaayQI/AAAAAAAAAdw/PVmts2hVNjU/s1600/battlelog-4.jpg

:What's the pistol, what's the shotgun? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:09, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

::I believe the handgun is a Glock variant, whilst the shotgun is Benelli M3 Super 90. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 08:02, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

:::I saw the PP2000 in action at Eurogamer Expo, looked pretty good. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 08:16, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

::::Hmm, I never saw it before. The shotgun is the 870 MCS and the pistol is the Glock 17. If you look at the page, he's level 0 with no XP, so these are the first unlocks, which makes sense given what they are: a shotgun, a pistol that isn't faction-based that's similar to the M9 and MP443, and a PDW. Also, now that the PP2000 has a stock we won't have any more stockless guns, specifically stockless guns with scopes... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:08, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::Hmm, the magazine tube is rather short for M870 MCS. Which would mean it is rather regular variant of M870 with pistol grip and full stock. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:49, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

::::::No, the MCS is modular, hence the name, it just has the 4 round tube as standard, with the 7 round one as an attachment. This is the MCS: http://www.kiesler.com/shop/ProductImages/Model870MCS_PartSLG.jpg [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:57, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::::The magazine tube in MCS is supposed to have the same length as the barrel as can be seen here: [http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/Firearms/Shotguns%20Pump/MCS.aspx Remington Model 870 Modular Combat Shotgun (MCS)]. Thus the 3+1 MCS would have the same 10" barrel. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:23, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

::::::::I understand it's supposed to, but it's still an MCS, just not assembled properly or something. If you don't like it, just use the extended tube attachment, I know I will be, and Demize confirmed (how many times have I written those two words now?) all the extended mag attachments are visible, like the MP7s 40 round magazine, or this shotgun. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:50, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::If that's so... Okey, an oddly assembled MCS ¯\(°_o)/¯
:::::::::P.S. I didn't count how many times you have written those two words D: --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:02, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

::::::::::LOL! :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:08, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::::::::Demize confirmed that Alex says 'Demize confirmed' a lot. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 12:00, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

::::::::::::[http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/hr/im-metal-hs-2000-e.html XD] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 14:12, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

==ACR?==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coOHjF4_apI&feature=channel_video_title

Magpul Masada/ ACR?

At 0:36, the handguard and flashhider look very similar to that of the ACR

:I think it might be the SG 553, also has a similar flashhider. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 12:07, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

::Agree, it is the SG 553. Can tell by the design of the rail system, shape of the receiver and the fact that it has a smooth curve to the top of the stock rather than an adjustable cheek riser. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:14, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

I also see the M320 Launcher at 0:41, so thats one more launcher for the page [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 13:09, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

Ugh, what a song choice :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 14:12, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

:Whine, whine, whine. No game is good enough for you people. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:41, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

::Not game - song >:O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:49, 27 September 2011 (CDT)

::Yay, finally can see the M320 mounted instead of standalone :D And yeah, I agree that's the 553. Oh, and what do you mean "you people"? Lol ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:05, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

:::Sorry, I thought you were complaining about the game. I was just joking when I said that. *rolls eyes* - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:44, 27 September 2011 (CDT)

== NDA for Beta ==

OK, from what I'm hearing the Beta is going to be subject to an NDA, just like the Alpha. This may just be for the early access and may be rescinded once it goes public, or it may be for the whole thing.

What this means is that we can't post info or shots from the Beta build until it is rescinded. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 02:02, 27 September 2011 (CDT)

:[http://twitter.com/#!/zh1nt0/status/115781634879524864 Disregard.] I screwed up, again. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 02:15, 27 September 2011 (CDT)

::Haha :) That's good news [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:18, 27 September 2011 (CDT)

== G17C modelled after G17 ==

I just talked to a DICE dev on Steam, and he told me the reason they modelled the G17C after a regular G17 it's to save prestanda so the game can run as smoothly as possible.
So that's why is missing those compesators "holes" on the slide. And the reason they decided to still call it a G17C, is because is only a minor detail. They probably have more relevant things to fix, than changing the correct name of a weapon. edit: forgot to sign [[User:Santos|Santos]] 03:46, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

:That's understandable, given the crazy graphics and everthing else this game it running. If they don't change it we'll note it as incorrect on the main page, but note that it was intentionally left out; if they do know the correct difference between the C and standard, but needed to do for technical reasons, I'm happy. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:33, 30 September 2011 (CDT)

::But someone could state in the main page, that it was left there intentionally due to some other and more important things to worry about in the development of the game. [[User:Santos|Santos]] 03:46, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

::I guess that proves that Frostbite 2 Engine is much more complicated and difficult to mod than Refractor 2 Engine. To fix weapon's name in Battlefield 2 one needed a mere Notepad ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:57, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

:::That might well not change, since the config files will have weapon names in plain text that can be replaced (unless the names are actually images or something). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:49, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

:I think it's stupid what the guy from DICE said: "''We modeled the gun after the regular G17 so the game would run faster...''" Huh? So if the gun is actually a 100% G17, why call G17C? Am I missing something here? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 04:10, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

::Modelling the holes ''would'' require they put an inside surface on the barrel, but I can't see how an engine that features buildings falling into hundreds of pieces of high-detail rubble would be screwed over by that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:47, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

== Corrected some information ==

I went through and fixed some things. There is a Korean M16 that has 4 firing modes and the shotgun in Op Gullotine is a Remington 870 which you can tell by looking at the rear sight. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:23, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

:It has four? Cool, didn't know that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:41, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

== Lack of weapon variety ==

Theres so many AK and M4 style weapons but no real variety, wheres the steyr, uzi and such.
The snipers are pretty much useless after the first two so why change ?
Like 3 AK styled assault rifles ?
Am i missing the point because it seems Mw3 has a much better weapon variety.
When i unlocked the SkS it takes 4 bullets to kill. That's double what the other two took even though they're the same calibre. - Joey1666

:Devs are lazy. Quite a bunch of unlocks are derivatives of starting weapons. There are so many European weapons that could be put as unlocks, but nooooo! Maybe DICE are saving for DLCs? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:28, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

:: Yeah when they said 10 times the unlocks, who knew they meant dogtags and pistols with new attachments. And we have to unlock the same attachments for every other gun over and over. Whats with the lack of guns ? :/ And Some weapons like the m16 take 6 bullets to kill... the ump takes 7 from my experience. So why even bother using these weapons when i can have a sniper that 2 hit kills with a RDS. The beta has dissapointed me. --[[User:Joey1666|Joey1666]]

:::Always fun when people complain about balance before the balance has had any meaningful time to settle. Tomorrow people will be complaining half these things are totally overpowered when they figure out how to use them properly. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:34, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

:::: Im not complaining about balance, if AR's take 6 hits to kill, i dont mind ill stick to my battle rifle. Just wish there was more variety is all. - Joey1666

::: Personnally I like the fact that there are many AK & AR15 style firearms in it, and for that you have to unlock the attachements for each gun, I don't see a problem there, you just have to use the guns if you really want them. --[[User:VillageFroid|VillageFroid]] 12:11 October 2 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Downfall

2011-09-18T22:49:42Z

VillageFroid: /* MG34 */

Moved from Main Page --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 00:40, 21 March 2011 (CDT)
The Sturmgewehr 44 is still being manufactured in Germany. A German firearms company is re-making the StG-44 as a new gun and selling it to civilians and collectors world wide, except for America, where the BATFE has banned its' import. That same German company also makes a new version of the classic MP40 for sale as well.

== Germans smashing their 98k ==

From main page-
at the end of the film, where surrendering German soldiers are smashing their pristine Karabiner 98k rifles against the ground prior to the arrival of the Red Army (albeit a scene which made me wince at the thought of all those beautiful guns destroyed...yeow!.)

[[Image:DownFallBlooper.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Maybe they traded their rifles with the Russians?]]

Looks like their smashing the Russian's Mosin Nagant M38 Carbine!--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 00:47, 21 March 2011 (CDT)

== Unknown pan magazine fed machinegun ==

Considering that this movie is meticulously historically correct, that light machine gun is probably a stolen Russian DP or DPM. -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 12:07, 24 March 2011 (CDT)

*DP28, I'd say, from the way the bipod is angled towards the muzzle rather than straight and looks to be attached to the bottom of the barrel shroud rather than the top. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 13:21, 24 March 2011 (CDT)

::You're right, I changed the page. -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 13:11, 25 March 2011 (CDT)

== MG34 ==

Is it possible that the MG34 used in the movie is in fact a mocked- up PKM because the LMG in the picture looks like one to me.-[[User:Villagefroid|Villagefroid]] 18:42, September 18 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:Downfall MG34aa.jpg|thumb|none|600px|picture from the movie.]]
[[Image:PKasMG34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 & a PK conversion.]]

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2011-09-18T22:48:03Z

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2011-08-30T21:02:02Z

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[[Image:ArmA II.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''ArmA II'' (2009)]]
[[Image:ArmA_II_Operation_Arrowhead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''ArmA II: Operation Arrowhead'' (2010)]]

'''ArmA II''' is the sequel to [[ArmA: Combat Operations|Armed Assault]] and the spiritual successor to [[Operation Flashpoint]]. The game revolves around a war in the fictional ex-Soviet republic of Chernarus, which is being fought over by the government, communist rebels, the United States and the Russian Federation. In total there are around 81 weapon variants available in the game, not including new weapons introduced in expansions and downloadable content. A stand alone expansion entitled '''Operation Arrowhead''' was released on June 26, 2010, featuring a new campaign set in the fictional Central Asian country of Takistan, as well as new units and gameplay elements.

'''The following weapons appear in the game ArmA II:'''

= Pistols =
== Colt M1911A1 ==
The [[Colt M1911A1]] pistol is the standard sidearm of Marine Force Recon units. The [[M1911A1]] is also incorrectly depicted as the main sidearm of British soldiers in the '''British Armed Forces''' DLC, substituting for the [[Browning Hi-Power|L9A1 pistol]].

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Colt M1911A1]] - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Arma2 M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|In-game [[M1911A1]].]]

== Makarov PM ==
The [[Makarov PM]] pistol is the standard sidearm for most of the factions involved in the game, including the Russian Federation, Chernarussian Defence Forces, Chendaki rebels and NAPA insurgents. A suppressed version is also used by Russian Spetznaz soldiers.

[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Russian '''Makarov PM''' 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:Arma2 makarov.jpg|thumb|none|390px|Makarov PM - 9x18mm.]]

== Beretta M9 ==
The [[Beretta 92#M9|Beretta M9]] pistol is the standard sidearm of the United States Marine Corps faction. Typically carried by squad leaders and officers. A suppressed version of the pistol is also used by members of Team Razor.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta M9 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Arma2 M9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M9 - 9mm]]

== Glock 17 ==
The [[Glock 17]] is a new weapon in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion. The Glock is the standard sidearm of Czech Army and German Kommando Spezialkräfte (KSK) units. In reality the German KSK units using the [[USP#Heckler_.26_Koch_P8|HK P8]] pistol.

[[Image:Glock_12892-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 9x19mm with OD Green frame.]]
[[Image:OA_Glock_17.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 with flashlight - 9x19mm]]

== Taurus Tracker Model 455 ==
A Taurus Tracker Model 455 appears in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion as the "Revolver .45 ACP". The revolver is used by Takistani military officers, and is also available in a gold-plated version.
[[Image:Taurus-Tracker-455.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Taurus Tracker Model 455 (introduced in 2002) a Tracker revolver chambered for the .45 acp round]]
[[Image:OA_45_Revolver.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Tracker Revolver - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:OA_45_revolver_gold.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Tracker Revolver Gold Plated - .45 ACP]]

== SA Vz 61 Skorpion ==
The [[SA Vz.61 Skorpion]] appears in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion as the "Sa-61 Scorpion". It is put under the handgun category.

[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SA Vz.61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:OA_Skorpion.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|"Sa-61 Scorpion"]]
[[Image:Arma 2 skorp.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Takistani militant with a SA Vz.61 Skorpion.]]

== IWI Micro Uzi ==
The [[Micro Uzi]] is a new weapons appears in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion as the "PDW". It is put under the handgun category and a suppressed version is available.

[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|[[Micro Uzi]] with 32 round magazine - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:OA_Micro_Uzi.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|In-game PDW.]]
[[Image:OA_Micro_Uzi_sd.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|In-game suppressed PDW.]]

=Sub-Machine guns=

==Heckler & Koch MP5SD6==

The [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5SD|MP5SD6]] submachine gun, distinguished by the presence of single, burst and auto firing modes and a Navy trigger group, is available in the game, though it is not standard equipment among any of the factions.

[[Image:H&KMP5SD6.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5SD6 9mm with Stock Extended and 3-round trigger group.]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons MP5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MP5SD6 - 9x19mm]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A5==

The [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A5|MP5A5]] submachine gun is used by USMC pilots.

[[Image:H&KMP5A5.jpg|thumb|none|380px|Heckler and Koch MP5A5 - 9x19mm.]]

==PP-19 Bizon==

The [[PP-19 Bizon]] submachine gun makes a return from [[Operation Flashpoint]], and is used by Russian Spetznaz anti-tank soldiers and sappers.

[[Image:Bizon1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|PP-19 Bizon 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons Bizon.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bizon w/ suppressor - 9x18mm Makarov]]

= Assault Rifles =
== AKM ==
The [[AKM]] rifle is carried by various ChKDZ insurgent and NAPA guerrilla units. Takistani militiamen in '''Operation Arrowhead''' also use AKM rifles.

[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:ArmA2 AKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKM-7.62x39mm]]

== AKMS ==
The [[AKMS]] rifle is also commonly seen in the hands of ChKDZ insurgents, NAPA guerrillas and CDF militia soldiers. A special gold version of the rifle (similar to the special AK-47 in ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]'') is also programmed to occasionally appear in the hands of insurgents as an easter egg. It appears in the hands of Takistani Militia in Operation Arrowhead.

[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMS, stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:ArmA2 AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMS 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:4-arma2 akms1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A ChKDZ insurgent medic with an AKMS.]]

== AK-74 ==
The [[AK-74]] rifle appears in a standard variant and one fitted with a [[GP-series grenade launcher#GP-25|GP-25]] grenade launcher, and serves as the standard weapon of the Chernarussian Defence Forces. Some ChKDZ and NAPA units also use AK-74s. It appears in the hand of Takistani militia in Operation Arrowhead.

[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:Arma2 AK-74GP30.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-74 with GP-30 grenade launcher- 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:4-arma2 preview hwupgrade it april 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== AKS-74 ==
The [[AK-74#AKS-74|AKS-74]] is available either with a Kobra red dot sight or a PSO-1 scope, and is used by squad leaders in the CDF, ChKDZ and NAPA factions. '''Operation Arrowhead''' introduces two new variants, one with a Soviet NSPU night vision optic and another with the GOSHAWK thermal weapon sight.

[[Image:aks74.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKS-74 5.45x39mm with bayonet and bayonet sheath]]

== AKS-74U ==
The [[AKS-74U]] is used by tank crew and pilots in the CDF, ChKDZ, NAPA and Russian Army factions, as well as by Spetznaz operators (in the form of the silenced AKS-74UN version).

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKS-74U (also referred to as the "AKSU" or 'Krinkov') - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:ArmA2 AKS-74UN.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKS-74UN with a Kobra sight- 5.45x39mm]]

== AK-107 ==
The [[AK-74#AK-107|AK-107]] is the standard rifle of the Russian Army and MVD forces, although in real life they continue to use the AK-74M. The weapon is available with either Kobra or PSO-1 optics and can mount a [[GP-series grenade launcher#GP-30|GP-30]] grenade launcher.

[[Image:Ak107-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-107 - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:Arma2 AK-107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-107 with a Kobra sight- 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:Ak107-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-107 5.45x39mm with GP-25 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:Arma2-AK107-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Russian soldier carries an AK-107 with a Kobra sight and GP-30 grenade launcher.]]

== SA Vz.58 ==
Czech Army soldiers in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion use [[SA Vz.58 assault rifle|SA Vz.58 assault rifles]], painted in desert camouflage colors and equipped with red dot or ACOG sights. It appears as the "Sa-58V".

[[Image:800px-Sa_58-JH01.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|'''Czech SA vz-58''' - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Sa58refl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''Czech SA vz-58V''' ''(Výsadkový aka "Airborne")'' with folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:OA_Vz_58.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|"Sa-58P"]]
[[Image:OA_Vz_58_Acog.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Sa-58V" with RIS, an ACOG sight, a grip, and desert camo]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
The [[M16A2]] rifle is available as a weapon in the game, though it is not normally used by any of the factions. A version with the [[M203 grenade launcher]] is also available, and is used by Takistani soldiers and militants in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|[[M16A2]] Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).]]
[[Image:M16A2_M203.jpg|thumb|500px|none|[[M16A2]] 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm.]]
[[Image:ArmA2 M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M16A2]] in-game.]]

== M16A4 Rifle ==
The [[M16A4]] rifle is the standard weapon of the United States Marine Corps faction, and is available in many variations. The weapon is available with either Aimpoint M68 CCO sights or Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scopes and can also come with a [[M203 grenade launcher]].

[[Image:M16A4withANPEQ&ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M16A4]] MWS (Modular Weapon System) with RAS rails installed, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, RIS foregrip, and Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scope - 5.56x45mm. This is the USMC style setup.]]
[[Image:ArmA2 M16A4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In-game [[M16A4]] fitted w/ Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scope, AN/PEQ-2 laser designator and [[M203 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:ARMA2-Boot-Camp-Screens 08-8ed.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A U.S. Marine is aiming the [[M16A4]]/[[M203]].]]

== M4A1 Carbine ==
[[M4A1]] carbines are used by vehicle crews of the United States Marine Corps faction, as well as by most of the Force Recon operators. The [[M4A1]] has the most variations of any of the weapons in the game. Attachments included in those versions are Aimpoint M68 red dot sights, Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scopes, EOTech 556 Holographic sights, [[M203 grenade launcher]]s and suppressors.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt [[M4A1 Carbine]] fitted w/ Aimpoint M68 red dot sight and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:ArmA2 M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In-game [[M4A1 Carbine]] fitted w/ Aimpoint M68 red dot sight.]]
[[Image:4-arma2 preview hwupgrade it april 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|1stSgt. Patrick "8 Ball/Baller" Miles running with his [[M4A1 Carbine]] fitted w/ Aimpoint M68 red dot sight and a sound suppressor.]]

== Heckler & Koch G36 ==
The [[Heckler & Koch G36]] rifle is not used by any of the game's factions (with the exception of the G36C that is used by a CDhKZ faction leader), but is available in the mission editor for single or multiplayer scenarios. Three versions are available: the G36A with ZF 3x4° dual optical sights, the G36K and the two versions of the G36C, including one with a suppressor and an EOTech sight. In the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion, German KSK soldiers utilize camouflaged versions of the G36A, G36K and G36C as their standard weapons.

[[Image:HKG36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G36 with ZF 3x4° dual optical sight - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:ArmA2 G36K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G36K- 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:ArmA2 G36C.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G36C with suppressor and a EOTech sight- 5.56x45mm]]

== Heckler & Koch XM8 ==
Also available in the mission editor is the [[Heckler & Koch XM8]], a weapon originally intended for ArmA: Combat Operations that was later ported to ArmA II. Many versions are available, including the standard XM8, one with a [[ Heckler & Koch M320]] grenade launcher, the XM8 compact and the XM8 Marksman. ION Mercenaries in the '''Private Military Contractor''' DLC use XM8 carbines as their standard weapons.

[[Image:XM8.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch XM8 5.56mm, seen with an Insight ISM-V Scope]]
[[Image:ArmA2 XM8C.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch XM8 Compact- 5.56x45mm.]]

== FN SCAR-L (Mk. 16 Mod 0) ==
The [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|FN SCAR-L]] is the new standard weapon of U.S Army soldiers in the ''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion. The rifle comes in several configurations, including versions with the [[FN EGLM]] grenade launcher and new thermal sights.

[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|400px|none|Third-Generation FN SCAR-L, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:A2-Arrowhead-Scar-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:ARMA2-OA_Mk16.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ingame]]
[[Image:OA_Mk16_HOLO.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Mk16 with EoTech]]
[[Image:OA_Mk16_TWS_EGLM.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Mk16 with EGLM and Thermal Weapon Sight]]

== FN SCAR-H (Mk. 17 Mod 0) ==
Most U.S Army Delta Force soldiers in '''Operation Arrowhead''' use the [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-H|FN SCAR-H]] rifle, which like the SCAR-L is available with various modifications.

[[Image:2fff2537c0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Third Generation Fabrique National SCAR-H CQC - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:Arma2-SCARH-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|U.S Army Special Forces soldier with a long-barreled SCAR-H.]]
[[Image:ARMA2-OA_Mk17.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ingame]]
[[Image:OA_Mk17_CCO.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MK17 with CCO]]
[[Image:OA_Mk17_Sniper_SD.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|suppressed sniper variant of Mk17]]

== SA80A2 ==
The [[SA80|SA80A2]] rifle is the standard weapon of the new British faction in the '''British Armed Forces''' DLC. The SA80A2 model featured is similar to the current RIS-equipped models used by soldiers in Afghanistan, and is available with SUSAT, ACOG and EOTech sights, as well as the [[Heckler & Koch AG36 Grenade Launcher|L123 grenade launcher.]]

[[Image:Sa80-l85a2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|L85A2 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons L85A2 RIS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|L85A2 with RIS and SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

=Rifles=

==FN-FAL==

The [[FN FAL]] rifle is the standard weapon of Takistani Army soldiers in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion. Two variants of the FN FAL are available: an unmodified version and one with the AN/PVS-4 sight.

[[Image:Fal_para-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px| FN FAL 50.63 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:OA_FAL.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL]]
[[Image:OA_FAL_TWS.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL with AN/PVS-4 sight]]

==Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk. I==

[[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I rifles]] is used by Takistani militiamen in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion.

[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British.]]

==M14==

The [[M14]] rifle is available to U.S Army soldiers in the '''Operation Arrowhead''', without any significant modifications beyond the addition of an Aimpoint sight. The M14 is one of the standard weapons of Delta Force Sergeant Terry Graves during the campaign missions.

[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==M14 DMR==

The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Designated Marksman Rifle|M14 Designated Marksman Rifle]] is the standard rifle of USMC marksmen, and is also used by Force Recon sniper Staff Sergeant Randall "Ice Cold" Sykes.

[[Image:Us m14 dmr 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 Designated Marksman Rifle 7.62x51mm NATO with Harris Bipod]]
[[Image:Arma2 dmr.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 DMR - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:4-arma2 preview hwupgrade it april 3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==M24==

The Remington [[Remington Model 700#M24 Sniper Rifle|M24 Sniper Rifle]] is another weapon that has been carried over from ArmA:Combat Operations and is available in the mission editor. In the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion, A desert-camouflaged M24 is the standard U.S Army sniper rifle.

[[Image:M24.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M24 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO, .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:ARMA2-OA_M24.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Desert camouflage]]

==M40A3==

The Remington [[Remington Model 700#M40A3|M40A3]] rifle, camouflaged with Ghille material, is the standard weapon for USMC snipers. Besides the aesthetic differences, the weapon is otherwise identical in performance to the M24.

[[Image:M40a3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M40A3,, 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==L115A3 LRR==

British snipers in the '''British Armed Forces''' DLC use the [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Magnum|Accuracy International L115A3 LRR]] as their standard sniper rifle.

[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic WarfareM - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accuracy International AWSM in chambered in .338 lapua]]

==Mk 12 Mod 0 SPR==

The [[M16 rifle series#Mk 12 Mod 0 SPR|Mk 12 Mod 0 SPR]] rifle is used by USMC Force Recon marksmen.

[[Image:Mk12Mod0.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mark 12 Mod 0 SPR, 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons snip MK12SPR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==M110 SASS==

U.S Army Special Forces soldiers can use the [[Knight's Armament SR-25|KAC M110 SASS]] in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion. It is only available in Night Vision and Thermal scope variants, and features a Magpul PRS stock.

[[Image:M110 ECP Right Bipod.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M110 SASS (Semi-Automatic Sniper System) - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:OA_M110_TWS.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M110 with Thermal Weapon Sight]]

==Barrett M107==

The [[Barrett M82|Barrett M107]] is used by USMC anti-material snipers. In '''Operation Arrowhead''', a new variant of the M107 with a thermal weapon sight is available to U.S Army snipers.

[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M107 sniper rifle .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons snip M107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Barrett M107 - distinguished by its full length picatinny rail system.]]

==Accuracy International AS50==

The [[Accuracy International AS50]] is used by British anti-material snipers in the '''British Armed Forces DLC'''. In reality, the AS50 is not in British service, although the Barrett M82A1 (as the L82A1) and the AW 50 (as the L121A1) are used by the British Royal Marine Commandos and the Special Air Service, respectively.

[[Image:As50sr.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AS50, .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons as50.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Ingame version of the AS50 - .50 BMG.]]

==SVD Dragunov==

The [[SVD Dragunov]] is available either in standard or camouflaged configurations and is used by all of the Chernarussian factions along with the Russian military. In '''Operation Arrowhead''', a variant of the SVD with NSPU night vision optics is used by Takistani night ops soldiers.

[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.6x54mm R]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons snip SVDdragunov.jpg|thumb|none|500px| SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:ArmA2-SVD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MVD (Russian Internal Ministry) soldier with a SVD Dragunov.]]

==VSS Vintorez==

The silenced [[VSS Vintorez]] sniper rifle is used by Russian Spetznaz and MVD units.

[[Image:Vss1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|VSS Vintorez 9x39mm with PSO-1 scope]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons Vintorez.jpg|thumb|none|500px|VSS Vintorez - 9x39mm]]
[[Image:Arma2-VSS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Russian Spetznaz soldier with a VSS Vintorez.]]

==KSVK==

Russian anti-material snipers use the [[KSVK sniper rifle]].

[[Image:Ksvk.jpg|thumb|none|400px|KSVK sniper rifle 12.7x108 mm]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons snip KSVK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==CZ-550==

The Czech-designed, Mauser based [[CZ-550]] hunting rifle is used by ChDKZ guerrillas, NAPA insurgents and civilian hunters.

[[Image:Cz550sxj1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CZ-550 hunting rifle - 9.3x62mm]]
[[Image:ArmA2 armory2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Machine Guns=

==RPK-74==

The [[RPK#RPK-74|RPK-74]] light machine gun is available to the Chernarussian and Russian factions, and is inaccurately portrayed as being equipped with a 75 round drum magazine.

[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPK-74 light machine gun 5.45x39mm with 45-round box magazine]]
[[Image:Arma2 rpk.jpg|thumb|500px|none|RPK-74 with (incorrect) drum magazine - 5.45x39mm.]]
[[Image:ArmA2 armory5.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A ChDKZ rebel fires the RPK-74.]]

===PKM Machine Gun==

The [[PK Machine Gun]] is used by all of the factions except for the USMC, and is also seen in fixed positions and in tanks as the PKT.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|450px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54R]]
[[Image:Arma2 pkm.jpg|thumb|500px|none|PKM - 7.62x54R.]]
[[Image:Arma2-PK-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|MVD soldier with PKM.]]

==PKP Pecheneg Machine Gun==

The [[PK Machine Gun#PKP Pecheneg Machine Gun|PKP Pecheneg]] is used exclusively by Russian forces, and is equipped with an optical sight.

[[Image:Pecheneg.jpg|thumb|450px|none|PKP Pecheneg - 7.62x54R.]]
[[Image:A2-PKP-1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A Russian soldier with a PKP Pecheneg.]]

==DShKM Heavy Machine Gun==

[[DShK heavy machine gun]]s are seen in fixed positions and mounted on pickup trucks and jeeps by the CDF, ChDKZ and NAPA forces.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DShKM heavy machine gun 12.7x109mm on Tripod]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons mount DShKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tripod-mounted DShKM heavy machine gun]]

==Kord Heavy Machine Gun==

The [[Kord heavy machine gun]] is used by Russian forces, both in fixed and vehicle-mounted positions.

[[Image:Kord 02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Kord heavy machine gun 12.7x108mm with ammo drum]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons mount KORD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tripod-mounted Kord heavy machine gun]]

==Heckler & Koch MG36==

The [[Heckler & Koch MG36]] is available in the editor and is equipped with a Beta C-Mag drum magazine and EOTech sights.

[[Image:MG36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch MG36, 5.56x45mm with Beta C-Mag drum magazine and Bundeswehr double sights]]
[[Image:A2_MG36.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|MG36]]

==Heckler & Koch XM8 Automatic Rifle==

The [[Heckler & Koch XM8#Heckler & Koch XM8 Automatic Rifle|Heckler & Koch XM8 Automatic Rifle]] is another XM8 variant available in the editor.

[[Image:XM8LMG.PNG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch XM8 Automatic Rifle, 5.56x45mm]]

==M249 SAW==

U.S Marines use the [[M249 SAW]] as their standard infantry support weapon.

[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]
[[Image:Arma2 M249.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M249 SAW with 200 round box magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:ArmA2NL4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==M249 SAW Paratrooper==

U.S Army soldiers in the upcoming '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion are equipped with [[M249 SAW|M249 SAW Paratrooper]] machine guns as their standard support weapon. British Army units in the '''British Armed Forces''' DLC also use the similar FN Minimi Paratrooper, which is equipped with an Aimpoint sight and is called the L110A1.

[[Image:M249 Para ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249 SAW Paratrooper - this one features components of the Product Improvement Package (PIP), including the new telescoping stock, heat shield, and RIS handguard, and is also fitted with an ACOG scope and a 100-round woodland camo cloth ammo bag - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Arma2-M249Para-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|U.S Army soldiers with an Elcan-equipped M249 SAW Paratrooper.]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons L110A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|L110A1 (FN Minimi Para) with Aimpoint sight an AN/PEQ-15 IR designator - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

==M240 Machine Gun==

The [[FN MAG#M240 Machine Gun|M240G Machine Gun]] is used by USMC forces both as an infantry weapon and mounted on up-armored Humvees and SH-60 Seahawk helicopters. In '''Operation Arrowhead''', Elcan M145-equipped M240s are used by U.S Army units.

[[Image:Fn mag g.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|FN M240G machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Arma2 M240.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M240G - 7.62x51mm]]

==L7A2 Machine Gun==

The [[FN MAG#L7 Machine Gun|L7A2 machine gun]] appears in the '''British Armed Forces''' DLC, both as an individual weapon and mounted aboard Land Rovers and Supacat Jackal patrol vehicles.

[[Image:L7A2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|British L7A2 General Purpose Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==M60E4==

The [[M60 machine gun#M60E4 Machine Gun|M60E4 Machine Gun]] appears in '''Operation Arrowhead''' in the hands of Czech Special Forces soldiers.

[[Image:M60E4 large.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60E4 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:OA_M60E4.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M60E4]]

==GE M134 Minigun==

[[GE M134 Minigun|M134 Miniguns]] are mounted on USMC UH-1Y 'Venom' and AH11 'Wildcat' helicopters. In the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion, M134 miniguns are also mounted on U.S Army UH-60 Blackhawks. A modified SUV in the '''Private Military Contractor''' DLC will be available with a M134 turret as well.

[[Image:Minigun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GE M134 Minigun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:4-arma2 preview sector april 3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Mk 48 Mod 0 Light Machine Gun==

USMC Force Recon soldiers, most notably Sergeant Chad 'Robo' Rodriguez, use camouflaged [[FN Minimi#Mk 48 Mod 0|Mk 48 Mod 0 machine guns]] as their main support weapons. A desert camouflaged version is also used by Delta Force soldiers in '''Operation Arrowhead'''.

[[Image:MK48.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mk 48 Mod 0 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO with RIS foregrip]]
[[Image:Arma2 mk48.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Mk 48 Mod 0 with Aimpoint sight - 7.62x51mm.]]
[[Image:Arma2-Mk48-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Mk 48 Mod 0 in-game.]]

==Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun==

[[Browning M2]] machine guns are mounted on fixed tripods and on many USMC and U.S Army vehicles, including the Humvee and the M1A2 Abrams. British forces in the '''British Armed Forces''' DLC use the L111A1, a version of the Browning M2 with an ACOG sight.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons mount M2.jpg|thumb|none|500px| ]]

=Shotguns=

==Benelli M1014 JSCS==

The [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns#Benelli M4|Benelli M1014 JSCS]] is the standard combat shotgun of the USMC faction. However, the weapon only fires slug ammunition, making it only of limited use for most players.

[[Image:M4Super90.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Benelli M4 Super 90 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons M1014.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Izhmash Saiga 12K==

The [[Izhmash Saiga series shotgun#Saiga 12|Izhmash Saiga 12K]] combat shotgun is used by the Russian Federation faction, and like the M1014, fires only slug ammunition.

[[Image:Saiga 12k-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Izhmash Saiga-12, 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons Saiga.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==AA-12==

The [[AA-12]] automatic shotgun will make an appearance in the '''Private Military Company''' DLC, firing several types of ammunition including the high-explosive FRAG-12 round.

[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MPS Auto Assault-12, 12 Gauge ]]

=Grenade Launchers=

==M203 Grenade Launcher==

The [[M203 grenade launcher]] can be mounted on the M16A2 & M16A4 rifles and M4A1 carbine.

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|362px|M203 grenade launcher 40mm mounted on M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot sight]]
[[Image:ArmA2 M4A1M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M4A1 carbine with a M203 grenade launcher and a EOTech 551 holographic sight]]

==M320 Grenade Launcher==

The [[Heckler & Koch M320]] grenade launcher is mounted on the XM8 rifle.

[[Image:XM320 stock extended.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch M320 40mm in standalone configuration with telescoping stock]]
[[Image:ArmA2 XM8M320.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch XM8 carbine with M320 grenade launcher- 5.56x45mm.]]

==FN EGLM/ Mk. 13 Mod 0==

The [[FN EGLM]] is mounted on [[FN SCAR]] rifles in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion. It is also available in a standalone version.

[[Image:SCAR 2nd gen w EGLM.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale EGLM 40mm mounted on a [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|Fabrique Nationale SCAR-L]] 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Arma2 EGLM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An U.S Army soldier advances with a Mk. 16 Mod 0 SCAR/EGLM combo in hand. Notice the thermal scope that will be a new feature in Operation Arrowhead.]]
[[Image:ARMA2-OA_Mk13SA.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Standalone version]]

==Milkor M32 MGL==

U.S Army heavy grenadiers use the [[Milkor MGL#MGL 140|Milkor M32 MGL]] in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion.

[[Image:MGL32.jpg|thumb|none|362px|M32 MGL 40mm in desert tan finish fitted with Armson OEG reflex sight]]
[[Image:ARMA2-OA_M32.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ingame]]

==GP-30==

The [[GP-series grenade launcher#GP-30|GP-30]] grenade launcher can be mounted on AK-74 and AK-107 rifles.

[[Image:Gp-30 ak-74.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GP-30 grenade launcher 40mm mounted on [[AK-74]] 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:Arma2 AK-107PSO.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-107 with GP-30 grenade launcher and PSO-1 scope- 5.45x39mm]]

==Mk. 19==

The [[Mk 19 grenade launcher]] is available as a static weapon or mounted atop of USMC Humvees.

[[Image:MK19-02.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Mk 19 grenade launcher 40mm]]

==AGS-30==

The AGS-30 automatic grenade launcher is available either as a static weapon or mounted atop of UAZ jeeps.

[[Image:AGS-30.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AGS-30 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons mount AGS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Heckler & Koch GMG==

The [[Heckler & Koch GMG]] is available to British troops in the '''British Armed Forces''' DLC.

[[Image:HKGMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch GMG, 40x53mm on tripod mount.]]

=Anti-Tank weapons=

==RPG-7V==

The [[RPG-7]] is used by all of the game's factions with the exception of the USMC and US Army, and can use different warheads including the anti-infantry OG-7 rocket or the tandem charge PG-7VR.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|RPG-7 70mm]]
[[Image:A2-Arrowhead-RPG-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Takistani militant aiming a RPG-7 in the Operation Arrowhead expansion.]]

==RPG-18==

The [[RPG-18]] is a single-shot disposable launcher used by the Russian forces, and in the game functions similarly to the USMC's M136 AT4.

[[Image:Rpg-18 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPG-18 64mm]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons launch-RPG18.jpg|thumb|none|500px| RPG-18 - 64mm]]

==AT-13 Saxhorn-2 (9K115-2 Metis-M)==

The AT-13 Saxhorn 2 is available to the Russian Federation as a static ATGM launcher. Like the BGM-171 TOW, the missile requires the operator to guide it to the target.

[[Image:SL AT-13-Metis-anti-armor-guided-missile-launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AT-13 Saxhorn-2 (Russian designation ''9K115-2 Metis M'')]]

==M136 AT-4==

The [[M136 AT4]] launcher is carried by US forces. Although multiple launchers can be carried, only one appears on the character's back, giving the false impression that the weapon can be reloaded.

[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|M136 AT4 Anti-Tank rocket launcher - 84mm]]
[[Image:A2-arrowhead-M136-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An U.S Army soldier with a M136 AT4 in the Operation Arrowhead expansion.]]

==Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW==

The [[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW]] rocket launcher is used by USMC forces. The weapon can fire either High-Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) or High-Explosive Anti-Armour (HEAA) rounds.

[[Image:Mk153SMAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW - 83mm]]
[[Image:4-arma2 SMAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Marine firing the Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW]]

==Saab-Bofors MBT LAW==

The Saab-Bofors MBT LAW appears as the '''NLAW''' in the '''British Armed Forces''' DLC. The NLAW is a portable next-generation fire and forget missile launcher that has been adopted by the British military as the replacement for the LAW-80.

[[Image:Arma2weapons NLAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Saab-Bofors NLAW - 115mm]]

==Carl Gustav M3 MAAWS==

Introduced in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion, the [[Carl Gustav recoilless rifle|Carl Gustav M3 Medium Anti-Armor Weapons System]] acts as the equivalent of the SMAW for U.S Army soldiers.

[[Image:CarlGustavM3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Carl Gustav M3, 84mm]]

==M47 Dragon==

The [[M47 Dragon]] is a new addition to '''Operation Arrowhead''', and is used by Takistani militants friendly to American forces.

[[Image:M47 Dragon.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|M47 Dragon 140mm]]

==FGM-148 Javelin==

The [[FGM-148 Javelin]] launcher is used by USMC anti-tank units in the original game and by U.S Army soldiers in the '''Operation Arrowhead''' expansion.

[[Image:Javalin.jpg|thumb|none|300px|FGM-148 Javelin - 142mm]]

==BGM-71 TOW==

[[BGM-71 TOW]] launchers are available to USMC forces either as static launchers or mounted on top of Humvees. Like the AT-13 Saxhorn, the missiles are guided by the player.

[[Image:Tow 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|BGM-71 TOW mounted on M220 tripod 152mm]]

=Anti-Air weapons=

==SA-7 Grail (9K32 Strela-2)==

The [[SA-7 Grail]] is a man-portable air defense system (MANPADS) that is used by the ChDKZ, CDF and NAPA forces. The weapon is also available as a static weapon featuring two launchers.

[[Image:800px-SA-7.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SA-7, 70mm]]

==SA-18 Grouse (9K38 Igla)==

The [[SA-18 Igla]] MANPADS was designed as the replacement to the SA-7 Grail, with improved resistance to counter-measures and a more accurate seeker. In the game, it is used exclusively by Russian forces.

[[Image:Igla 191.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SA-18 Igla launcher and missile]]

==FIM-92A Stinger==

the [[FIM-92A Stinger]] MANPADS is the standard Anti-Aircraft weapon available to USMC forces, and is also mounted on the M1097 Avenger system. British soldiers in the '''British Armed Forces''' DLC also use the Stinger.

[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FIM-92A Stinger 70mm]]

=Fire Support=

==SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle==

The [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]] is used by ChKDZ and NAPA factions as a static weapon, or mounted on UAZ jeeps.

[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle 73mm]]
[[Image:Arma2weapons mount SPG9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==ZU-23-2 Anti-Aircraft gun==

The ZU-23-2 is available either as a static mount or mounted on an Ural truck as a dual purpose anti-aircraft/anti-infantry weapon.

[[Image:Arma2weapons mount ZU23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft cannon - 23mm]]

==Podnos 2B14 82mm mortar==

The Podnos 2B14 82mm mortar is the standard mortar of the Russian Federation faction.

[[Image:AR 2B14-Podnos-82-mm-mortar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Podnos 2B14 mortar - 82mm]]

==M252 81mm mortar==

The M252 81mm mortar is the American equivalent of the Podnos 2B14, and functions similarly in-game.

[[Image:AR M252-81-mm-mortar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M252 mortar - 81mm]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:First-Person Shooter]]

Operation Flashpoint: Red River

2011-04-18T23:17:16Z

VillageFroid: /* PKM Machine Gun */

{{upcoming}}
'''The following weapons can be seen in gameplay footage of the upcoming first-person shooter ''Operation Flashpoint: Red River:'''

'''WORK IN PROGRESS'''

''Operation Flashpoint: Red River'' is the sequel to ''[[Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising]]'', still revolves around a fictional conflict between the United States Marine Corps and the People's Liberation Army of China. This time, the storyline takes place in the year 2013, where the United States Marine Corps is sent to Tajikistan to deal with a civil war. While fighting against Tajik insurgents, the PLA have arrived and threatening the U.S. to leave the country, but the U.S. refuses and starting to fight against the PLA too.

''Operation Flashpoint: Red River'' release date is April 21st for Europe and Australia, April 26th for the United States.

= United States Marine Corps =
== Pistols ==
=== Beretta M9/M9A1 ===
All of the Marines have unknown pistols holstered to their legs. This pistols are supposed to be [[Beretta M9]], or more appropriate, the updated Beretta M9A1 as the United States Marine Corps use today.

[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Beretta M9]] 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS. Note nomenclature on slide distinguishing this from a standard civilian Beretta 92FS.]]

[[Image:BerettaM9A1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta M9A1 - 9x19mm. Updated version of the military M9 Beretta. It has an integral rail for mounting flashlights or lasers, reversible magazine release, and checkered back strap for better grip, similar to that seen on Glock pistols]]

this is not a confirmed weapon for the game.

== Colt M1911A1 ==
A Marine in the developer's diary video, "The Boots of a Marine", is firing a [[M1911A1]] at a Tajikistan insurgent.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|World War II issued Colt [[M1911A1]] Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

== Submachine Guns ==
=== Unknown Heckler & Koch MP5 variant ===
One of the protagonists carries an unknown model of [[MP5]], attached with flashlight and Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sight.

[[Image:Ofp_rr_13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The protagonist on the right with an unknown [[MP5]] model on his back.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown [[MP5]] in idle, while running.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown [[MP5]] in idle, attached with Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sight.]]

== Assault Rifles ==
=== Colt M4A1 Carbine ===
The [[M4A1 Carbine]] is one of the main weapons the Marines use, attached with: Iron sights, Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sight, Trijicon TA31RCO-A4CP ACOG scope, EOTech 556 Holographic sight, AN/PEQ-2 TPIAL laser designator, SureFire Universal WeaponLight and M203A1 grenade launcher.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt [[M4A1 Carbine]] with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:Ofp_dr_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M4A1]] in the hands of a Marine while guarding, fitted with Trijicon TA31RCO-A4CP ACOG scope, AN/PEQ-2 TPIAL laser designator, and SureFire Universal WeaponLight.]]

[[Image:Ofp_dr_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M4A1]] is been fired by a Marine.]]

[[Image:Ofp_dr_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M4A1]] in the hands of SSgt. Knox. Throughout the gameplay footage, Sergeant Knox is one of the few marines who uses a [[M4A1]] with iron sights rather with optical sight.]]

[[Image:Ofp_dr_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SSgt. Knox again, only from the right side of the weapon. The Marine in the background has [[M4A1]] too, only with ACOG and PEQ Laser Target Designator.]]

=== Colt M16A4 Rifle ===
The [[M16A4]] rifle is the standard issue weapon of the Marines, can be seen attached with: Iron sights, Aimpoint M68 CCO, Trijicon TA31RCO ACOG scope, SureFire Universal WeaponLight and M203A2 grenade launcher. For some reason, the in-game model of the [[M16A4]] has the standard [[M16A2]] handguard, rather than the KAC M5 railing system like the USMC use in real life.

[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M16A4]] with carry handle attached and standard A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:M16A4M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M16A4]] - 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm.]]
''Note'': The in-game version of the grenade launcher doesn't including the [[M16A2]] style heat shield.

[[Image:Ofp_dr_5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M16A4]] in idle. Note the [[SMAW]] launcher on the back of the front Marine.]]

[[Image:Ofp_dr_6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M16A4]] through its iron sights.]]

[[Image:Ofp_dr_7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine looking through the M68 CCO of his [[M16A4]] before killing an insurgent.]]

== Machine Guns ==
=== M249-E2 SAW ===
The [[M249]]-E2 SAW is the standard light machine gun of the Marines, seen attached with iron sights, Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sight, EOTech 556 Holographic Sight, SureFire Universal WeaponLight and AN/PEQ-2 TPIAL laser sight. The [[M249]] is also the main weapon of the Auto-Rifleman class, and used by Cpl. Ryan Balletto as seen in the new video of Fireteam Outlaw 2 Bravo.

[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[M249]]-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]

[[Image:Ofp_dr_8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M249]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Ofp_dr_9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M249]] through its iron sights.]]

[[Image:Ofp_dr_10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M249]] in the hands of one of the protagonists.]]

== Sniper Rifles ==
=== M14 Designated Marksman Rifle ===
The M14 Designated Marksman Rifle is seen only in use by one of the protagonists, attached with: Trijicon TA31RCO-A4CP ACOG, TS-30.xx series Leupold Mark 4 day scope, AN/PEQ-2 laser designator and Harris S-L bipod.

[[Image:Us_m14_dmr_02.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M14 Designated Marksman Rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M14 DMR in the hands of the protagonist (right).]]

=== M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle ===
The M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle will be one of the Scout's weapons. It is fitted with a TS-30.xx series Leupold Mark 4 day scope same as the M14 DMR, AN/PEQ-2 TPIAL laser designator, and an optional KAC M4/M16 QDSS-NT4 Suppressor.

[[Image:M-39EMR.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

=== Barrett M107 ===
The [[Barrett M107]] is one of the available sniper rifles in-game used by the United States Marine Corps. The rifle is called "Model M107 SN" in-game. It is unknown if the M107 has any attachments available to it, as it is only been seen from its scope like the picture below.

[[Image:Berrett_M107.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Barrett M107]] long range sniper rifle - .50 BMG. Noteworthy is the holes in the lower part of the buttstock and the rail that runs along the top spine of the rifle.]]

[[Image:Mission7pclayered.jpg|thumb|none|650px|The player looking through the scope of the M107 after killing an enemy. Note the weapon's icon in the bottom right corner.]]

== Shotguns ==
=== Benelli M4 Super 90 ===
The [[Benelli M4 Super 90]] can be seen used by few Marines in gameplay screenshots. it is also seen being used in developer diary #2.

[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Benelli M4 Super 90]] with 4-shot tube- 12 gauge.]]

== Launchers ==
=== Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW ===
The [[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW]] is is carried by various Marines. Could be the standard missile launcher.

[[Image:Mk153SMAW.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW]] - 83mm.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[SMAW]] is on the the back of the marine on the left.]]

=== Mk 19 grenade launcher ===
The vehicle mounting [[Mk 19 grenade launcher]] can be seen fired by a Marine in some gameplay screenshots.

[[Image:US_Mk._19_40mm_grenade_machine-gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Mk 19 grenade launcher]] 40mm in vehicle mounting.]]

=== M203 grenade launcher ===
The [[M203 grenade launcher]], specifically the A1 version, is attached to many [[M4A1 Carbine]]s, as can be seen in the pictures above.

[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm.]]

== Emplaced Weapons ==
=== Browning M2HB ===
The [[Browning M2HB]] is mounted on M1A1 Abrams MBTs and on M1114 Humvees.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Browning M2HB]] on vehicle mount - .50 BMG.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_11.1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M2HB]] mounted on M1A1 circled in red.]]

=== General Dynamics M197 Vulcan ===
The M197 Vulcan is mounted on Bell AH-1Z Viper's.

[[Image:M197Gatling.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[General Dynamics M197 Vulcan]] - 20mm.]]

= People's Liberation Army of China =
== Assault Rifles ==
=== Norinco QBZ-95 ===
The Norinco QBZ-95 is the primary weapon of the PLA, seen with an unknown underbarrel attachment, probably a muzzle loading 30mm grenade launcher, similar to the russian GP-30 30mm launcher.

[[Image:Type95-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco QBZ-95 - 5.8x42mm.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_290.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Norinco QBZ-95 in the hands of a PLA soldier. Note the underbarrel attachment.]]

= Tajikistan Insurgents =
== Assault Rifles ==
=== Kalashnikov AK-47 variant ===
An unknown [[AK-47]] variant is most likely the primary weapon of the Tajikistan insurgents.

[[Image:AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Type I [[AK-47]], hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_69.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[AK-47]] in midair, after the insurgent has been shot. Note the scope attachment.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_304.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[AK-47]] in the hands of an insurgent.]]

== Machine Guns ==
=== PKP Pecheneg Machine Gun ===
A modernized version of the PKM, the [[PK Machine Gun#PKP Pecheneg Machine Gun|PKP Pecheneg Light Machine Gun]] is used by Takistani insurgent.

[[Image:Pecheneg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|PKM - 7.62x54mm R.]]
[[Image:Ofp_rr_586.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PKP is held by an insurgent. Note the blue tape wrapped around the stock.]]

== Launchers ==
=== RPG-7 ===
The [[RPG-7]] is used by insurgents.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[RPG-7]] - 40mm.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_555.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An insurgent with [[RPG-7]] on his back.]]

[[Image:Ofp_rr_69567.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another insurgent with [[RPG-7]].]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:First-Person Shooter]]

Battlefield: Bad Company 2

2011-01-09T22:56:35Z

VillageFroid:

[[Image:BFBC2.jpg|thumb|right|350px]]

Battlefield: Bad Company 2 is the sequel to the original "Battlefield: Bad Company". BF:BC2 uses the newest game engine called "Frostbite Engine", and it enables players to destroy any objects in the map (almost 90%) and deform the ground with explosives. The engine also gives bullets travel time and drop over distance, though this is mostly only noticed with sniper rifles. This game released in the U.S on March 2, 2010. A pre-order package comes with instantly unlocked unlockable weapons and vehicle upgrades. Those being the Thompson M1928 Submachine Gun, Colt M1911A1 Pistol, Tracer Dart Pistol, vehicle Armor Upgrade, vehicle Secondary Weapon and vehicle Motion Detector. Some retailers also offer the AKS-74U in addition to these.

*Note: Two major flaws occur in this game: The first being that the Majority of the Guns available have the ejection port on the left side of the Gun, even when the player character is Right Handed. While this would interfere with a shooter in real life, the Developers decided to do this in the game. The second being that the player does not chamber a new round on most guns when both the magazine and gun are empty, and instead simply inserts a new magazine, likely for multiplayer balancing, even though it is physically impossible. The previous game chambered a new round even if the gun was not empty. While not practical, this is somewhat realistic operating procedure.

'''The following guns can be seen in the video game: '''

=Handguns=

Can be used by any class once unlocked.

==[[Beretta 92FS|Beretta M9]]==
[[Beretta 92FS|Beretta M9]] is a standard semi-automatic pistol. Had a correct 15 round magazine in the Beta, but reverted to the incorrect 12-round mag for the full game. As of the current R7 patch, its damage has been increased to reflect the in-game stat difference between it and the MP-443. One way to explain the 12 round mag and higher damage than the 9mm MP-443 is that it is the .40 caliber version (only the civilian 92FS has a .40 version, but there are bigger mistakes than that).
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M9, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M9.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M9.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:M9BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M9, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

==MP-412 REX==
MP-412 REX .357 Magnum revolver is the most powerful, slowest firing and lowest capacity handgun in the game.
[[Image:Mp-412-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP-412 REX, .357]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MP412.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_MP412.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:MP-412BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MP-412 REX .357 Magnum, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

==Colt M1911A1==
[[Colt M1911A1]] Semi-Automatic Pistol. It's instantly unlocked for players who pre-ordered Battlefield: Bad Company 2. With its .45 calibre round, it has the second highest damage of the pistols, beaten only by the MP412 REX using .357 Magnum rounds. Labeled "WWII M1911 .45" in-game. It is incorrectly portrayed as firing from an uncocked hammer (and it doesn't change at all, even the first round has been fired or the gun's slide has been pulled back while reloading).
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1, .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M1911.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:957916_20091029_790screen001.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|American assault trooper with M1911A1]]
[[Image:M1911BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M1911A1 in Multiplayer for Bad Company 2, Port Valdez]]

==MP-443 Grach==
The [[MP-443 Grach]] appears in the game and has a 17-round mag, the highest of all the pistols, as well as the second lowest damage, the M93R being the lowest. In single player, this pistol is the only one available; Marlowe acquires one from Redford at the end of the mission "Upriver", and holds onto it for the rest of the game, while NSA Agent Aguire also carries one of his own. Marlowe uses his in the final moments of the campaign, both to destroy the Russians' scalar weapon and to eliminate Col. Arkady Kirilenko, the main antagonist.
[[Image:MP433Grach.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MP-443 Grach, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MP443.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:MP-443 Garach.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MP-443 Grach in single player, with scalar weapon in the background.]]
[[Image:MP-443 Garach2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MP-443 Grach in single player, final mission]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox (mocked up as Beretta 93R)==
The [[Beretta 93R]] in the game is actually a modified [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS Inox]] with an extended magazine, larger trigger guard, extended barrel with compensators, stainless steel finish and a foregrip. In first person view it is the same as the M9 but with stainless finish, 3-round burst, and, though not visibly different, a 20 round magazine. In the kill feed it is called the M9-3, apparently DICE thinks it's named the M93 because it's an '''M9''' that fires in '''3'''-round burst.
[[Image:Beretta93-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 93R 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M93.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M93R.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:M93BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Beretta 93 Pistol, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

==Tracer Dart Gun==
The Tracer Dart Gun is a non-lethal weapon used by both Russian and American force. The tracer darts it fires grants lock-on capabilities to allied Engineers using the RPG-7 or Carl Gustav launchers. Unlocked by default on all pre-ordered copies, but can be acquired through experience for those who did not pre-order. Unlike in the original Bad Company, the Engineer has to lock on the target by looking through the scope of the rocket launcher for a few seconds at the tracer point. After it locks on, a distance will be given. The Engineer is then free to fire in any direction, and the rocket will home in on the target. It is also capable of tracking and locking on while embedded on enemy personnel instead of vehicles.
[[Image:BC2 Tracer Dark Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|American engineer with Tracer Dart Gun]]
[[Image:Tracer Gun.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Tracer Dart Gun in Multiplayer]]
[[Image:Tracer Dart Lock.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Lock on as seen through the scope of a Carl Gustav. It's hard to see but there are some white numbers beneath the orange square. This is the distance and notifies the player that the missile is locked.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==IMI Uzi==
The [[IMI Uzi]] appears in the game and is equipped with a suppressor. It has very high rate of fire, more akin to that of the Mini-Uzi.
[[Image:UZIwSionics.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Uzi, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-UZI.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Uzi BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Uzi as seen in multiplayer]]

==M1928 Thompson==
The [[M1928 Thompson]] appears in the game and can be set to any class' primary slot once unlocked and is instantly unlocked for players who pre-ordered Battlefield: Bad Company 2. It is incorrectly identified as "WWII M1A1 Thompson" in-game when in-fact it is the M1928 model.
[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M1A1T.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:957916 20091029 790screen002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|American assault trooper with the M1928A1 Thompson]]
[[Image:ThompsonBC2M.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M1928 Thompson, Battlefield Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Port Valdez]]

==PP-2000==
The older version of the [[PP-2000]] appears in the game equipped with a suppressor and is incorrectly referred as the "PP-2000 Avtomat" ("Avtomat" is the Russian term for Assault rifle or Submachine gun, but nowadays it is more used for Assault rifles or Automatic rifles). Magazine holds 40 rounds despite being modeled with the 20-round magazine. Also, PP-2000's stock has been removed.
[[Image:Pp2000 01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PP-2000, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-PP2000.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:PP-2000.JPG|thumb|none|700px|PP-2000, Multiplayer]]

==Heckler & Koch UMP45==
The [[Heckler & Koch UMP]]45 appears in the game equipped with a suppressor and a Picatinny rail below the handguard.
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BFBC2-UMP.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:UMPBC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|UMP .45, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Isla Innocents. You can see that the selecter switch is set to full auto.]]

== Type 100 ==
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is found in the first level of single-player, Operation Aurora.
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]
[[Image:Typ 100.JPG|thumb|none|700px|The Type 100 in single-player.]]

=Battle Rifles=
Can be used by any class once unlocked.

==M1 Garand==
[[M1 Garand]] can be unlocked by registering as a Battlefield "veteran" (i.e. registering a copy of Battlefield 1943). Called "WWII M1 Garand" in-game. Oddly, the picture of it in the weapons info screen looks like a cross between a Garand and a 1903 Springfield with a bottom loading magazine. Can be set to any class' primary slot.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M1G.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Garand Multiplayer BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Garand, Multiplayer Bad Company 2, Valparaiso]]
[[Image:GarandBC2v2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Garand, Multiplayer Bad Company 2, Nelson Bay Conquest. This one is not in the shadows, giving it more detail.]]

==[[Heckler & Koch G3| G3A3]]==
Simply called "G3" in-game, has a 20-round magazine and full-auto fire ability. Can be set to any class' primary slot. Also, despite claiming to be unlocked at Rank 26, players really unlock it at Rank 22, the first officer rank.
[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3A3, 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-G3.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:G3.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 in game multiplayer]]

==MK 14 Mod 0 EBR==
[[M14#Mk_14_Mod_0_Enhanced_Battle_Rifle|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR]] (Enhanced Battle Rifle) is unlockable weapon in multiplayer. It is called "M14 Mod 0 Enhanced" in the game and has a desert-tan camo paint. Has semi-auto only firing option. Can be set to any class' primary slot. Has a 10 round magazine despite what it says in the description. [[Image:M14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR, 7.62x51 NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MK14.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:BC2_M14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 EBR, 7.62 x 51 mm NATO]]
[[Image:M14EBRBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M14 EBR 7.62 x 51 mm NATO, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

== Type 5 Garand Copy ==
Standard weapon for the Japanese. Only seen in singleplayer, has an 8 round en bloc clip. In reality it had a capacity of 10 rounds and was loaded with two 5-round stripper clips.
Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few were made; none however, saw any service.
[[Image:Type5.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Type 5 Garand copy]]
[[Image:Japanese Garand.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Type 5 Garand copy in single-player. Note the Imperial chrysanthemum symbol stamped on the receiver, behind the sight.]]

=Assault Rifles=
The Assault Rifles exclusive to the Assault Class in Bad Company 2 can be equipped with 40mm grenade launchers, which can fire standard 40mm grenades, or (through unlocking) 40mm smoke or 40mm canister rounds. First 4 are however Engineer-exclusive.

==[[9A-91]]==
Available to the Engineer class. Fires the 9x39 mm round, has a 20 round magazine and is equipped with a suppressor.
[[Image:9a91.jpg|thumb|none|400px|9A-91, 9x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-9A91.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2 9A91.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:9A91BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|9A-91, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

==[[Heckler & Koch XM8]] Compact==
Has a 30 round magazine and is equipped with a suppressor. Has the highest rate of fire of all the rifle-caliber carbines available to the Engineer.
[[Image:xm8ccbutt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&K XM8 Compact Carbine, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-XM8C.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:XM8COMPACTBC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM8 Compact, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Arica Harbor]]

==[[AKS-74U]]==
It's instantly unlocked for players who pre-ordered Battlefield: Bad Company 2. Equipped with a suppressor. Refered to as the "AKS-74U Krinkov" in-game.
[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74U, 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-AKS74U.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:AKS74UBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AKS-74U as seen in Multiplayer for Bad Company 2, Port Valdez]]
[[Image:AKS74UBC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AKS-74U in the final mission of the single player for Bad Company 2. It seems that this scene was inspired by a similar scene in the movie Shoot 'em Up.]]

==FN SCAR-L==
An early prototype of the [[FN SCAR|SCAR-L]] assault rifle is first unlockable weapon for Engineer in multiplayer. Equipped with a suppressor. Due to its barrel length, it is the CQC version.
[[Image:Scar l-1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|FN SCAR-L, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-SCARL.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:SCARLBC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|SCAR-L, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]

==Heckler & Koch XM8==
[[Heckler & Koch XM8]] is unlockable Assault Rifle. It is used with the M-320 Underbarrel Grenade Launcher. In Campaign mode, it replaces the M416 as the signature weapon of B-Company. Redford and Marlowe use ACOGs, while Haggard uses a Red Dot Sight, though Redford and Haggard's optics are always present in gameplay, they only sometimes appear in cutscenes, while Marlowe's is always there (except in the tanker cutscene).

[[Image:XM8.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch XM8, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-XM8.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_XM8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM8, 5.56 x 45 mm NATO]]
[[Image:XM8 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM8 in Bad Company 2 Multiplayer with 4x scope]]
[[Image:XM8BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM8, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]

==Heckler & Koch [[HK416]]==
Referred as the M416. Apparently in the Bad Company universe, this weapon has been adopted by the US Army, thus the ''M416'' designation.
[[Image:Hk416-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK416, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-HK416.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:M416.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Heckler & Koch HK416 5.56x45mm NATO + M203 in Multiplayer w/ 4x scope]]

==Colt [[M4A1]]==
Seen being held by the soldier on the box art, but is not in the game.

[[Image:BFBC2.jpg|thumb|none]]

==[[AEK-971]]==
Called "AEK-971 Vintovka" in the weapons screen. Used as the main weapon of the South American militia in Single Player. Equipped with the GP-30 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher.
[[Image:AEK-971wSkeletonizedstock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AEK-971, 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC-AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:AEK91BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AEK-971, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]
[[Image:AEK971BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AEK-971 w/ 4x scope and GP-30, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

==[[AN-94]]==
Permanently in the two-round 1800 RPM burst mode. Equipped with the GP-30 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher. Used by the majority of Russian soldiers in single-player.
[[Image:an94-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nikonov AN-94, 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-AN94.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:AN94BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AN-94 with Red Dot sight and GP-30, Bad Company 2, Arica Harbor]]

==M16A4 Rifle==
The [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 rifle]] is an unlockable assault rifle, and it uses 3 round burst. Has flat-top reciever. Note that it's erroneously referred to as the "[[M16 rifle series#M16A2 rifle|M16A2]]" in the game. It can be fitted with an ACOG scope, red dot sight, and M203 grenade launcher as described below. The M16 has been replaced in ''Battlefield: Bad Company 2'' by the M16A4. The M16A4 differs from the original M16 that was used in the first ''Bad Company'' in multiple ways: a 30 round magazine size instead of the 50 round size, a three round burst instead of being fully automatic, multiple Weapon Attachments (as is the case with most weapons in Bad Company 2). It requires 47000 Points to unlock, and is the last unlock in the "Assault" kit

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A2 5.56x45mm w/ M203, 40mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M16.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 with M203 Grenade Launcher, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M16A4 with M203 Grenade Launcher and 4x scope, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Arica Harbor. Even though the ejection port is on the left side of the gun, the forward assist is still on the right side. Note that the front sight is missing as well.]]

==[[Steyr AUG#Steyr AUG A3|Steyr AUG A3]]==
Called the "STG.77 AUG" in-game, its official designation in the Austrian Army. Equipped with the M203 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher.
[[Image:Steyr_AUG_A3+40mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:AUGBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AUG A3 + M203 w/ Red Dot sight, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]
[[Image:F200BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AUG A3 with M203 grenade launcher and 4x scope, Arica Harbor.]]

==[[FN F2000]] Tactical==
Called the "F2000 Assault" in the game. Description shows it being equipped with the EGLM 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher, but in-game, it's using the M203. It fires at the impossibly-high 1800 rounds per minute, around the lower end of a minigun.
[[Image:FN_F2000_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN F2000 Tactical, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-F2000.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_F2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN F2000 Tactical with M203 Grenade Launcher, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:F2000BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|F2000 Tactical wiith M203 and Red Dot sight, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer. The sight for the GL is on the right hand side of the gun, rather than on the left hand side or top]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==[[Norinco QB rifle series#Norinco QBU-88|QBU-88]]==
Called "Type 88 Sniper" in-game.
[[Image:Qbu-88-0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco QBU-88, 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-QBU88.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2 QBU-88.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:T88BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|QBU-88, Single Player Bad Company 2, 3rd level]]

==[[SV-98]]==
Called "SV-98 Snaiperskaya" in the game. It has a green finish, with the bipod folded in.
[[Image:SV98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SV-98, 7.62x54R/7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-SV98.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_GOL.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:SV98BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px| SV-98, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso Rush]]

==[[VSS Vintorez]]==
In-game identified as "VSS Snaiperskaya Special". Modeled with 10-round magazine, but carries 20. Fires full auto only, while the real VSS is select-fire.
[[Image:Vss1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|VSS Vintorez, 9x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-VSS.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

==M24 Sniper Rifle==
The [[Remington Model 700#M24 Sniper Rifle|M24 sniper rifle]] is the standard bolt-action sniper rifle used by recon class. It is clearly identified as M24A3 since it uses detachable 5 round box-magazine.
[[Image:M24.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M24A2, 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M24.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M24.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:M24BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M24, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

==[[Barrett M95]]==
Called the "M95 Sniper" in the game.
[[Image:barrett_m90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M95, .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M95.jpg|thumb|none|700px|In fact, it is anti-materi'''e'''l rifle]]
[[Image:Barret 95.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Barret M95, .50BMG Multiplayer Bad Company 2, Valparaiso]]

==[[GOL sniper rifle|GOL]]==
Called the "GOL Sniper Magnum" in the game.
[[Image:GOL Sniper Magnum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GOL-Sniper, .338 Lapua]]
[[Image:BFBC2-GOL.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:GOLBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|GOL, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Isla Innocents]]

==[[SVD Dragunov#SVU Dragunov|SVU]]==
Called the "SVU Snaiperskaya Short" in the game. Equipped with a suppressor and PSO-1 scope.
[[Image:svu-a_2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVU, 7.62x54mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-SVU.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:SVUBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|SVU, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa Rush]]

=Shotguns=

Can be used by any class once unlocked. Can be equipped with extended magazines or loaded with slugs once either are unlocked.

==[[Remington 870]]MCS==
Called "870 Combat" in the game. Has a four round tube as standard, eight rounds with extended mags. First unlocked shotgun.
[[Image:Remington_870MCS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870MCS, 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M870.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:REMINGTON870BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Remington 870, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Nelson Bay]]

==[[Franchi SPAS-12]]==
Called the "SPAS-12 Combat" in the game. Same magazine tube sizes as the 870, and operates only in pump-action mode.
[[Image:Franchi12.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-12, 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Spas 12 Multiplayer.JPG|thumb|none|700px|SPAS-12 Multiplayer, Port Valdez]]

==[[NeoStead 2000 Shotgun|NeoStead 2000]]==
Called the "Neostead 2000 Combat" in the game. Has a four shot mag tube as standard, increased to eight with extended mags.
[[Image:Neostead.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Neostead Shotgun, 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-NS2000.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_NS2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Neostead Shotgun, 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:NEOSTEAD2000.JPG|thumb|none|700px|NeoStead Shotgun 12 Gauge, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

==[[Izhmash_Saiga_series_shotgun#Saiga_20|Saiga-20]]==
Called "Saiga 20K Semi" in the game. Has a six shot magazine as standard, increased to twelve with extended mags.
[[Image:Saiga20k.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Saiga 20-K, 20 Gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-S20.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Saiga12KBC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px| Saiga 20K 12g, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

==[[USAS-12]]==
Called the "USAS-12 Automatic" in the game. Has same mag capacities as the Saiga 20K.
[[Image:USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|USAS-12, 12-gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USAS 12, 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BC2USAS12SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|USAS-12, final mission single player. This is what happens when you unload several 12 round 12 gauge magazines in rapid succession inside an airplane]]

==[[TOZ-194]]==
Available in the PS3 and PC beta, but only usable in Single Player in the full game. 8-round mag capacity. Slug version can also be found in single-player.
[[Image:Toz194.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TOZ-194, 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:TOZ.JPG|thumb|none|700px|TOZ-194, 12 Gauge Singleplayer 2nd level]]
[[Image:TOZBC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|TOZ-194, 12 Gauge Singleplayer 3rd level]]

=Machine Guns=

Available to the Medic class.

==[[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper==
Called "M249 SAW" in the game. Has a 200 round belt.
[[Image:M249ParaModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249 Paratrooper, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M249.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:M249ParaBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M249 Para, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Port Valdez]]

==[[PKM]]==
Called "PKM LMG" in the game. This is the starting weapon for medics in multiplayer. Has a 100 round belt.
[[Image:HungarianPKM.jpg|thumb|400px|none|PKM, 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:BFBC2-PKM.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_PKM.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[Image:PKM.JPG|thumb|700px|none|PKM, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Atacama Desert Rush]]

==Heckler & Koch [[MG36]]==
Called the "MG36" in the game. Has a 100 round Beta-C Mag.
[[Image:MG36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heckler & Koch MG36, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MG36.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:MG36 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MG36 Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

==[[XM8]] LMG==
Called "XM8 LMG" in the game. Has the same magazine as the MG36. The description states the XM8 LMG has a built in scope but this feature is not available in the game
[[Image:XM8LMG.PNG|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch XM8 LMG, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-XM8MG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:XM8LMGBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px| XM8 LMG with 4x scope, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa Rush]]
[[Image:XM8MGBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px| XM8 LMG, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso Rush]]

==[[QJY-88]]==
Called "Type-88 LMG" in the game. Has a 200 round belt.
[[Image:type88gpmg2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QJY 88, 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-QJY88.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Type88BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|QJY88 w/ Red Dot sight as seen in Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Nelson Bay]]

==[[M60]]==
Called "M60 LMG" in the game. Has a 100 round belt. Functions as Sweetwater's new signature gun in campaign mode, replacing his original M249.
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60, 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M60.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Notice that M60 is medium machine gun, not light machine gun (LMG)]] Correct but called General Purpose usually no size defined.
[[Image:BC2_M60.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Terrence Sweetwater wielding his M60, alongside Preston Marlowe and his XM8.]]
[[Image:M60 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M60 with red dot sight in multiplayer, Bad Company 2]]

==[[MG42#MG3|MG3]]==
A modernized MG42 rebranded the MG3. Has a 100 round belt and the highest rate of fire of any of the LMGs.
[[Image:MG 3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG3, 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MG3.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_MG3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:MG3 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MG3, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer with Red Dot sight.]]
[[Image:MG3BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MG3, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]

=Launchers=

==[[M203]]==
Mounted on the HK416, M16A2, and AUG.
[[Image:BC2_M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M203, 40x46mm]]

==[[GP-30]]==
Mounted on the AEK-971 and the AN-94.
[[Image:BC2_AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GP30, 40mm]]

==[[Heckler & Koch M320]]==
Mounted on the XM8.

(Some say "It's AG-36." but, in reality, it can't mounted on the XM8. The AG 36 (for G36) is an adapted M320. The L85A2 rifle uses an other adapted M320 called the AG 80,this is not the same as the AG 36.
[[Image:BC_XM8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heckler & Koch M-320, 40mm]]
[[Image:AG36BC2Reloading.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M-320 Reloading, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]

==[[RPG-7]]==
RPG-7 is the standard Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher used by Russian Engineer class. It is unguided, but it can be also used as a guided rocket launcher using Tracer Dart Gun. Weapon fitted with PGO-7 scope.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2 RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:RPG7BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|RPG-7, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Arica Harbor]]

==M136 [[AT4]]==
Has a built in tracking system, and is thereby not compatible with the Tracer Dart Gun. The reload animation is the player throwing away the launcher and grabbing a new one from his back. This means that the Engineer can carry up to 8 AT4's on their back if the extra explosives perk is chosen.
[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|M136 AT4, 84mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-AT4.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:AT4 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AT4 Multiplayer]]
[[Image:AT4 sight.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AT4 sight. The sight is a laser targeting system, with the orange square being where the rocket will impact. If the launcher is discarded before the missle impacts, the missle will still turn to follow the laser point, most likely making it hit the ground.]]

==[[Carl_Gustav_recoilless_rifle#Carl Gustav M3|Carl Gustav M3]]==
Carl Gustav M3 is the Anti-Tank recoilless rifle used by the engineer class. Like RPG-7, it can be used as a guided rocket launcher using Tracer Dart Gun. It is erroneously referred as the M2 model when it is actually a M3 model which can be distinguished from the M2 model by the carry handle.
[[Image:CarlGustavM3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Carl Gustav M3, 84mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M2CG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:CarlGustavBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Carl Gustav, Bad Comopany 2 Multiplayer]]

=Emplaced Weapons=

==XM312==
The XM312 is mounted on Humvees, CAVs, and stationary turrets.
[[Image:Mounted Weapons.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM307 and XM312 mounted on a CAV in single player. The 307 is controlled by the player (who is also the driver) while a squadmate controls the 312.]]
[[Image:XM312BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM312 mounted on a Humvee, First Person View. Note lack of bullets feeding into the gun]]
[[Image:XM312BC2V2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM312 mounted on a Humvee, Side View]]
[[Image:XM312Shield.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM312 mounted on a Shield, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Nelson Bay. The sheild is impervious to everything except explosives. Even a .50 Cal sniper round is unable to get through the viewing port.]]

==[[Kord heavy machine gun]]==
Mounted on stationary turrets and Vodniks.
[[Image:BC2_KORD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kord heavy machine gun 12.7x108mm with ammo drum]]
[[Image:KordBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Kord Heavy machine gun, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Isla Innocents]]

==Browning M1919==
[[Browning M1919]] only appears in the first level as a mounted machine gun used by the Japanese.
[[Image:Browning 1919.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Browning M1919 .30 Cal Left side]]
[[Image:Browning 1919 2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Browning M1919 .30 Cal Right side]]

== Browning M2 ==
The [[Browning M2]] is mounted on top of the american M1A2 tank
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Tank BFBC2.png|thumb|none|700px]]

==[[M134]] Minigun==
Mounted on MH-60 Black Hawks.
[[Image:Minigun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Dillon Aero M134 with flash suppressor - 7.62x51mm. These are new model M134 Miniguns or just updated GE Miniguns which are usually seen with a different spade grip mount that were used during the Vietnam War.]]

==XM307==
The XM307 is found mounted on the CAV and a pair are mounted on the Patrol Boat. In an update on the 8th of June the standalone XM307 has been added to the multiplayer stats section, and has been added in game in Map Pack 4. In the stats section it is incorrectly named an XM306, but in the in game killfeed it says XM307 like it should.
[[Image:BC2_XM312.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM307, 25x59mm B]]
[[Image:Mounted Weapons.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM307 and XM312 mounted on a CAV in single player. The 307 is controlled by the player (who is also the driver) while a squadmate controls the 312.]]

==[[QLZ-87]]==
The emplaced version of the [[QLZ-87]] was originally found only in the single player game. In an update on the 8th of June, it was added to the multiplayer stats section, and was added to multiplayer proper with the Onslaught DLC, where it appeared on the Atacama Desert and Isla Inocentes maps.
[[Image:QLZ87Heavy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QLZ-87, 35mm]]
[[Image:MGL BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px]]

==BGM-71 TOW==
Mounted on stationary turrets and some Humvees.
[[Image:Tow 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|BGM-71 TOW mounted on M220 tripod 152mm]]

==AT-14 Kornet==
[[Image:Kornet-at-14-anti-tank-missile.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]
Mounted on stationary turrets.

==[[ZU-23]]-2==
Mounted alone and sometimes on the BMD-3

==M167 VADS==
Mounted alone and on an M113 chassis. In an update on the 8th of June it has been added to the multiplayer stats section, and has been added in large numbers to the Map Pack 4 maps, Atacama Desert Rush and Port Valdez Conquest. The only sign of the M113 mounted version is in the game files and in the picture for the vehicle perks shortcut upgrade in the game store.

[[Image:M167BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M167, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Atacama Desert Rush]]
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[[Category:War]]
[[Category:First-Person Shooter]]
[[Category:Battlefield]]

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=Battlefield: Bad Company 2 Vietnam (Expansion Pack)=

=Assault Rifles=

==[[M16A1]]==
Seen in the TGS Trailer.
Has a 30 round capacity despite being modeled with a Vietnam-era 20-round magazine.
[[Image:BC2V-M16.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

==[[AK47]]==
Used in the TGS game-play demo.
[[Image:BC2V-AK.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

=Battle Rifles=

==[[M14]]==
The M14 appears to be fully automatic in the expansion.
[[Image:BC2V-M14.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

=Submachine Guns=

==[[PPSh-41]]==
Used in the TGS Game-play demo. Despite being modeled with a drum magazine, the in-game weapon has a magazine capacity of 25.
[[Image:BC2V-PPSH.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

==[[MAC-10]]==
Called the "M10" in-game, and has a 40-round magazine.
[[Image:BC2V-MAC10.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

==[[IMI Uzi]]==
the Uzi makes a return in this expansion.
[[Image:BC2V-UZI.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Note that there isn't a suppressor on this one]]

=Machine Guns=

==[[Browning M1919]]==
Seen mounted on american M15A jeep

==[[MG34]]==
Mounted on NVA T54 tanks and GAZ69 trucks
==[[M60]]==
The M60 is advailable to de the medic class.
==[[M60D]]==
Two M60D are mounted on every UH-1 "Huey" helicopter.

==[[Stoner 63]]==
Used in the TGS Game-play demo. Called the "XM22" in-game, and feeds from a 200-round belt box.

==[[RPK]]==
Seen in the Hill 137 trailer.

=Handguns=

==[[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol]]==
Used in the TGS Game-play demo

==[[Colt M1911A1]]==
The M1911A1 makes a return.

=Sniper Rifles=
==[[SVD Dragunov]]==
Seen in the Hill 137 trailer.

==M40 Sniper Rifle==
[[Image:BC2V-M40.jpg|700px|thumb|none]]

==[[M21]]==
[[Image:M21_m1a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M21 Sniper Rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

=Shotguns=

==[[Remington 870 Shotgun]]==
[[Image:BC2V-870.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

=Launchers=

==[[M79 grenade launcher]]==
Used in the TGS Game-play demo
[[Image:BC2V-M79.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The M79 has a spiraling tiger stripe pattern on it, featured in the original Battlefield: Vietnam, and an obvious homage to Apocalypse Now]]

==[[RPG-7]]==
[[Image:BC2V-RPG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

=Miscellaneous=

==[[M2 Flamethrower]]==
[[Image:BC2V-Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

Battlefield: Bad Company 2

2011-01-09T22:52:34Z

Talk:The Marine 2

2010-10-02T17:29:16Z

VillageFroid:

Wow, another movie about a Marine that wears Army UCP camoflague--[[Special:Contributions/174.44.86.213|174.44.86.213]] 12:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

A Marine with a H&K G3A4, good Job...[[User:VillageFroid|VillageFroid]] 14:34 , October 2 2010(UTC)

Talk:The Marine 2

2010-10-02T17:28:55Z

VillageFroid:

9th Company

2010-09-17T22:58:03Z

VillageFroid: /* NSV heavy machine gun */

{{incomplete}}
[[Image:9thCompanyPoster.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Movie poster for '''9th Company''' (2005) (Russia)]]
[[Image:9POTAPoster.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Russian language poster for '''9th Company''' aka ''9 POTA'' (2005) (Russia). Note: Though IMDB lists the Russian name as "9 POTA" the cyrillic in the poster reads 9 "Roh-ta" with the "r" rolled on the tip of the tongue like in Spanish. Thus the 'phonetic' English wording used for the International Title is actually incorrect.]]‎

'''9th Company '''(''9 POTA'') is a 2005 Russian language film about a group of Soviet vets in the mountains of Afghanistan, during the Afghan-Russo War (1979-1989). The story deals with idealistic young soldiers who are fighting a desperate battle against the Mujahideen fighters.

The weapons seen in this movie are:

==AKS-74==
Used by almost all Soviet and Mudjahideen.
[[Image:aks74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKS-74 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:Cap308a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Cap274a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Cap271a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Cap270a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==AK74 & BG15 launcher==
Used by several of the main characters including Lt. Pogrebnyak. The Grenade Launcher was first introduced in the 1980s and was referred to as the BG15. A later updated version would be the GP-25 and the latest incarnation, the GP-30 (which is much lighter in weight).
[[Image:9thPlatoonAmbushed.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:9Rota-GPlauncherA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==PK machine gun==
Several 9th Company soldiers use the PKM:
Chugainov is given Samyilin's old gun, which was disfigured by a hand grenade explosion. He can be seen in on scene trying to sight it to fire at a rock 3m away.
One of the main characters grab's his PKM's barrel to bash a Mujahideen with it, receiving 3rd degree burns.
The main character picks up the previous character's PKM after he is killed and uses in the scene after Sparrow's suicide.
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|left|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:9Rota-PKM2a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Cap344a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Cap209a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Yakushev-Borzov YakB-12.7 machine gun==
Used by the Mi-25 helicopters
[[Image:Yakb.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A Yak-B Gatling Gun - 12.7mm.]]
[[Image:9Rota-Hinda.jpg‎|thumb||none|500px]]

in fact the helicopter is a Mi24 P series, armed with GSh-30K dual 30mm side fixed auto gun, known to us as a "Hind-E" or "Hind-F"

==Dragunov SVD==
Given to Petrovsky, who is an excellent marksman through painting.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|left|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.6x54mm R]]
[[Image:Cap125a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==DShK 12.7mm==
One is given to 9th Company, while others can be seen at the various military bases on top of military vehicles.
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|left|400px|A Russian DShKM in 12.7x109mm on Tripod]]

== NSV heavy machine gun ==
NSV machine gun are used by the soldiers of the 9th company
[[Image:Nsv_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px| NSV machine gun mounted on tripod ]]
[[Image:Cap344a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soviet soldier manning a tripod mounted NSV heavy machine gun (first from the right) ]]
[[Image:Cap201a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The NSV is clearly visible behind the head of this soldier ]]

==RPG-7==
Used by the Mudjahideen alongside LAWs to attack the 9th Company.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|left|450px|RPG-7 40mm]]

==ZU-23==
Seen on Soviet vehicles.
[[Image:ZU23.jpg‎ |thumb|none|left|400px|ZU-23-2]]

(screencaps to be sorted)
[[Image:Cap378a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Cap372a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Cap201a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Cap165a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Cap158a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Russian Produced/Filmed]]

9th Company

2010-09-16T04:56:13Z

VillageFroid:

{{incomplete}}
[[Image:9thCompanyPoster.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Movie poster for '''9th Company''' (2005) (Russia)]]
[[Image:9POTAPoster.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Russian language poster for '''9th Company''' aka ''9 POTA'' (2005) (Russia). Note: Though IMDB lists the Russian name as "9 POTA" the cyrillic in the poster reads 9 "Roh-ta" with the "r" rolled on the tip of the tongue like in Spanish. Thus the 'phonetic' English wording used for the International Title is actually incorrect.]]‎

'''9th Company '''(''9 POTA'') is a 2005 Russian language film about a group of Soviet vets in the mountains of Afghanistan, during the Afghan-Russo War (1979-1989). The story deals with idealistic young soldiers who are fighting a desperate battle against the Mujahideen fighters.

The weapons seen in this movie are:

==AKS-74==
Used by almost all Soviet and Mudjahideen.
[[Image:aks74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKS-74 5.45x39mm]]
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==AK74 & BG15 launcher==
Used by several of the main characters including Lt. Pogrebnyak. The Grenade Launcher was first introduced in the 1980s and was referred to as the BG15. A later updated version would be the GP-25 and the latest incarnation, the GP-30 (which is much lighter in weight).
[[Image:9thPlatoonAmbushed.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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==PK machine gun==
Several 9th Company soldiers use the PKM:
Chugainov is given Samyilin's old gun, which was disfigured by a hand grenade explosion. He can be seen in on scene trying to sight it to fire at a rock 3m away.
One of the main characters grab's his PKM's barrel to bash a Mujahideen with it, receiving 3rd degree burns.
The main character picks up the previous character's PKM after he is killed and uses in the scene after Sparrow's suicide.
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|left|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]
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==Yakushev-Borzov YakB-12.7 machine gun==
Used by the Mi-25 helicopters
[[Image:Yakb.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A Yak-B Gatling Gun - 12.7mm.]]
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in fact the helicopter is a Mi24 P series, armed with GSh-30K dual 30mm side fixed auto gun, known to us as a "Hind-E" or "Hind-F"

==Dragunov SVD==
Given to Petrovsky, who is an excellent marksman through painting.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|left|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.6x54mm R]]
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==DShK 12.7mm==
One is given to 9th Company, while others can be seen at the various military bases on top of military vehicles.
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|left|400px|A Russian DShKM in 12.7x109mm on Tripod]]

== NSV heavy machine gun ==
NSV machine gun are used by the soldiers of the 9th company
[[Image:Cap344a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soviet soldier manning a tripod mounted NSV heavy machine gun (first from the right) ]]
[[Image:Cap201a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The NSV is clearly visible behind the head of this soldier ]]

==RPG-7==
Used by the Mudjahideen alongside LAWs to attack the 9th Company.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|left|450px|RPG-7 40mm]]

==ZU-23==
Seen on Soviet vehicles.
[[Image:ZU23.jpg‎ |thumb|none|left|400px|ZU-23-2]]

(screencaps to be sorted)
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Talk:AVPR: Aliens vs. Predator - Requiem

2010-09-16T04:37:09Z

VillageFroid:

== About the brighter screenshots ==

With the help of a friend, I have uploaded brighter versions of the darkest screenshots on the page in hopes that the unknown weapons will be more identifiable and the ones such as the Colt Python and the FN Minimi will be more reconigizable. I have done this because if you have seen the movie, you would know how bad the lighting is. Anyway I hope the new screenshots help. Alienqueen11

==A Question==

Alright, I own the movie, and I've noticed, but can't really tell, Does Sheriff Morales' shotgun not have a stock? It's never seen clearly in the film [His arm is always in the way], and when they are raiding the gun store he holds it funny, when he could just have it shouldered.

== Rifle ==

*It's not a Remington 700 or a Winchester M70, because the magazine is in front of the trigger guard in the above picture.

It could have been a Remington 700 custom. I have found several pictures of them thus, though the magazines looked different.

Also could possibly be a "Monte Carlo" modded version of a Mosin Nagant.
::Is is possibley a Lee-Enfield or Lee-Metford rifle? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

For the person who mentioned a magazine in front of the trigger guard, I think that's just the tree behind him. I'm just going to label as a Remington 700, until someone confirms it or corrects it.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

That might be a Knights Armament Company Mk.48 LMG because that is the only Light Machine Gun that can support a silencer, except for the KAC ChainSAW... which is a beast.

:It's not. This is a movie. Blank-adapted firearms of any sort can take suppressors because they screw into the interior threading of the barrel where the adapter goes. What that means is that even a regular M249 can easily take a fake suppressor can.

== Daewoo K3 ==
I know that the K3 is used alot in movies, but how do you know it's a K3 and not a Minimi/M249 they are using in this movie ?? (Sorry if I mispelled any word) [[User:VillageFroid |VillageFroid]] 01:43 September 16 (UTC)