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Talk:Battle: Los Angeles

2012-05-25T00:39:07Z

Travestytrav: /* AN/PEQ-15 */

==aliens==
I wounder if the aliens are going to be easy to kill as us humans with a few bullets, or talk an entire magazine from am M4 to kill.

Probably like [[Independence Day]] where they will be some what easy to kill like us...but have supior body armor or way better technolgy.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Is this photo from their website? The site doesn't want to put unauthorized BTS photos (see the discussion on the [[Transformers 3]] page.
--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:BattleLosAngelesm1a2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1A2 Abrams on set in Louisiana.]]
This behind-the-scenes shot of the M1 Abrams on this Louisiana freeway set takes place when the main characters encounter it during the tank's battle with several alien platoons on the Los Angeles freeway overpasses mid-way into the film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:01, 30 August 2011 (CDT)

== Laser Modules on M4s ==
By the shape, they appear to be AN/PEQ-16As. I do believe this would qualify as the film debut of the device. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

:I thought it was the AN/PEQ-15? Still, I do believe this is the first film appearance of that system. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

::Upon second look, you're right. It is a 15, not a 16A. With that revelation, this would then be the ''second'' film appearance of it. The M4s used by the security team in Resident Evil: Afterlife had PEQ-15s on them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== FN M16? ==

I know FN actually makes the M16 as well, but how can you be certain the guns in the movie are FN? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:Colt and FN share the US military's M16A4 contract (I don't think they're buying M16A2s anymore). But where does it say the M16s in this film are FNs? I don't see it mentioned anywhere. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

::I changed it to just plainly M16A2 until whoever stated previously can prove it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:03, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting concept behind this movie... ==

I know that the whole alien invasion genre of film has been done to the death so many times over to the point where most audiences will just scoff at films like this just like they scoffed at Independence Day or, but I gotta admit, this film has an interesting concept to it's backstory.

I don't know if anyone has ever read about this, but on the night of Feburary 24-25, 1942, there was a "supposed" air raid against the city of Los Angeles where some unidentified aircraft appeared in the skies over Los Angeles, and since several other raids by Japanese aircraft and bombardments by Japanese submarines had been taking place all along the West Coast of the United States and even one attack on the coast of Vancouver, Canada had been happening throughout the beginning of 1942 (fresh after the attack on Pearl Harbor), this supposed "raid" on Los Angeles caused MASS hysteria and panic that an enemy invasion would be next after all these raids. So therefore the skies were lit up that night with anti-aircraft fire which damaged several buildings (since they fired around 1,400 shells), and caused 3 people to get killed by the anti-aircraft fire while 3 others died from the massive stress of the whole situation. However, it was revealed in the U.S. Government's "official" after-action report that there was NOTHING in the skies over Los Angeles except for a weather balloon and flares fired off from training aircraft, and that the reason why all the panic happened was because of "war nerves" causing people to mistake them for enemy aircraft and think that a raid was happeneing.

But some UFO theorists believe that the "unknown aircraft" in the skies over Los Angeles that night were alien craft, and that the government was covering it up.

So from what I have gathered, the plot behind this movie is the idea that when the Great Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942 happened, those REALLY were alien aircraft in the skies. And now, 69 years later in the movie's timeline (If it's supposed to take place in the year 2011), the aliens have returned to not only begin their invasion of Los Angeles, but to invade the rest of the world as well.

^Sounds like Harry Turtleodve's Worldwar series [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:31, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

Interesting backstory concept for this movie? I like to think so. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 13:24, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

It seems to be just a modernized Independence Day plot. Aliens come to invade Earth to get at our resources or something and wants to wipe us out and we fight back. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:11, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

:I guess this movie could be considered a more "modernized" version of Independence Day (And I'll be the critics will be comparing this film to Independence Day on it's official release), but at the same time, it takes a real life event that happened 69 years ago, and makes it into a more creative story where the event that took place really WAS the cause of aliens, and now they have returned to invade earth, with the city of Los Angeles being the steppingstone battleground to their campaign. Whereas with Independence Day, it only made passing mentions of past alien spacecraft sightings throughout history before the main invasion begins, but they never really dove into greater detail behind the reasons why in that film. And besides, this movie looks really interesting since (from what I have seen in the trailers) the aliens apparently will not always be in massive spaceships blasting the shit out of buildings, or using sneaky mind control tactics to assimilate humans, they will actually be on the ground, with weapons of their own, engaging in modern combat scenarios with a human army, and that is something (at least to my knowledge, but I could be wrong) that hasn't been (if ever) done in an alien invasion film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 08:54, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapons + thoughts ==
M9/Beretta 92 used in end battle by Aaron Eckart's character and someone else

M240 may have been on the LAV, too dark to see it clearly.

M2 on the Humvee

Unidentified mortar in the background early on, probably 81mm.

Round frag grenades (M67? M61?)

Smoke grenades (M18?)

I personaly thought that the movie was exhalent, good tactics on both sides.
Dont belive Roger Ebert's idioitic review. Seriously, go see the movie.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 17:16, 12 March 2011 (MSK)

:Well, the problem is that alot of people (being the gullible sheep that some people are) will listen to what the professional movie critics will say about movies like this, and just flat out dismiss it like they do (Even though there are some exceptions like when all the crazed fans of The Dark Knight sent death threats to the professional critics for giving that film anything less than 5 stars or A+ back in 2008... ridiculous huh?). And of course there is an even bigger majority of people who refuse to throw reality out the window these days and would rather nit-pick movies like this one to death for being "unrealistic" or whatever other bullshit arguments they bring up (Especially with movies like Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull for it's "unrealistic" refrigerator nuke scene, God... the arguments on that scene were so fucking ridiculous, even more ridiculous than the "Han Solo shot first!" argument). But really, I saw Battle: LA for myself, and I agree, it is a great alien invasion movie, and it also has done something that has never been seen in a major-budget blockbuster alien invasion film from years gone by (at least to my knowledge), and besides, pretty much ALL the actors in this film actually went through boot camp training so that way they look picture-perfect playing the U.S. Marine characters that they portray in the film. So rather than people blindly agreeing with what the professional critics are saying, I say go see this film for yourself and judge it for yourself. Maybe moviegoers might like this movie, and maybe they might not, but it's still a damn good film nevertheless. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 04:15, 15 March 2011 (CDT)

Anyone see what the corpsman's sidearm was? He never draw the weapon and it's kind of dark to see when I saw the weapon in the holster. I think it might be a SIG, which would make sense since Navy does issue M11/P228s. Can't be sure though.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 15:36, 13 March 2011 (MSK)
:Just FYI, Navy Corpsmen who are attached to Marine units are issued Marine weapons, so the proper sidearm would be an M9/M9A1. The Marine Corps does not possess or issue any SIG firearms (unfortunately, in my opinion). However, I don't remember seeing any close-up shots of "Doc's" sidearm. Next time I watch the movie I'll keep an eye out for it.[[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 19:30, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

I just got back from seeing the film, and I REALLY want to say it's an MEU SOC. Hopefully somebody can clarify this for me. Also, was it me, or were the M16A4s seeming like they were going full auto? :P -Kangabox
:I don't recall seeing any MEU(SOC) pistols in the movie, but it would be cool if they had some in it. The MEU(SOC) is pretty rare in the Marine Corps and is usually only available in Recon and/or MARSOC units, and even then they're hard to come by. I've heard there are less than 1,000 MEU(SOC) pistols in the entire Marine Corps inventory. And as for the M16A4s seeming to fire on full-auto, yeah it did kind of seem that way in some scenes, which could just be an inaccuracy. However, that could be explained away as a hard-charging Marine just being really fast on the trigger, which is possible.[[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 19:30, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

I paid special attention to the gear details of this movie when I saw it a few hours ago, and I did notice a few moments when the M16s fired on fully automatic (when Hectair's father used one for example) but through most of the
film I noted the soldiers were useing their weapons on semi-automatic, just as they damn should be, but every other
movie has ignored this to my knowledge. So either this was simply a little hollywood hickup in the movie or its
assumed that M16A5s are being used (S-S-B-A M16s proposed by some firearms company that escapes my mind right now) by the USMC by the time the invasion happens. On a very possitive note I saw that the marines were all wearing MICH
helmets rather than PSGAT (marines have a different name for it) ones and the aformentioned laser designators as well as uniforms (patterns, gloves, body armour etc.) makes me think they had military reference on sight for the making of, because this movie was totally a PR thing for the USMC like transformers or stargate was for the airforce. Only three things that I actually didn't like were:
- the AT4 having a lock on tone (damn you call of duty!).
- the laser designator having a visable beam and them not simply useing the designators on their rifles.
- and finally; why didn't the aliens just drop a small nuclear weapon on every major military base from orbit and make us helpless as an opening strike? Because then there wouldn't be a movie, so I can ignore that one haha.
Anon has spoken, this movie is epic.
::I feel compelled to mention that the A5 upgrade proposed by the USMC for the M16 is the addition of a collapsible stock and a new buffer system to make it friendlier to shooters wearing body armor. I haven't heard anything about adding a 4-position trigger system. Not that I disagree with the addition of or replacement of burst with a full auto mode, though, since it would ease the squad's reliance on the M249 for suppression fire (Why do you think SOF teams tend not to carry a squad auto all the time? Because their M4s are capable of full auto). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:03, 23 February 2012 (CST)

:I think the auto firing M16 could be the sound crew's fault too, just like how they added the lock on tone. I watched the movie again, Santos was actually aiming the AT4 at the drone's flight path, the the rocket travelled in a straight line rather than chasing after the drone like they did in the Stargate series. Also, PEQ lasers on the rifles cannot be use to paint target for missiles/LGBs, it can only illuminate the target for pilots and the pilots would need to target the weapons themselves. Most FACs and JTACs do use big ass laser designators like the ones in the movie (usually mounted on tripod).--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 03:15, 20 March 2011 (CDT)

:Speaking of sound crews, don't forget about that awkward sound the SAW made when we first saw it being fired. Sounded more like stock gunfire sounds coming from an M60. Also from a more technical standpoint, I saw esentially all the Marines wearing MARPATs with the standard BDU-style cut, but if we're assuming that this film takes place in the near future, shouldn't we see at least a few of the grunts wearing the newer FROG suits? Just a thought. -Kangabox

I don't think Lenihan is adjusting the knobs on his ACOG in the picture that is up. Looks like his fingers aren't near the knobs, he's probably wiping the lense.

:That actually make sense since he just got covered with laundry detergent. Once again, the sound crew messed up!--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 13:53, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

Even though i'm just reiterating everyone's point, i feel obligated to say it (or rather type it). This was a damn good movie, i know my opinion doesn't really mean a damn thing as i'm not a famous movie critic, but goddamn can this guy make a movie. The action part just as good as movies like Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down, which he says were his inspiration for it. It somehow captured the drama well without coming off as a poorly acted hacky pg-13 POS where the good guy just acts manly and goes "GODDAMMIT! I CANT LEAVE YOU!" and all that other horseshit dialogue that bad movies use. It also had something very unique and appreciated, an Alien force that acted like an actual military. If if they might have been conscripts (implied through the dialogue mentioning the alien weapon fused to the alien's arm) they still fought like trained combatants, and didn't just march forward slowly firing from the hip. They took cover, there were scenes when alien medics dragged comrades to safety, there were officers issuing orders, and aliens giving covering fire before advancing. And the director had the good sense to use a lot of particle effects instead of just 3D. 3D may look good in theaters, but when its not it comes off as the most hokey youtube 5 min edit job, turning a good movie into shit. And also surprisingly good acting, sure it wasn't Nicholson from CucKoo's Nest, but for an action flick it had some great dialogue in it. The actors training was also top-notch, they had the dedication to go to real bootcamp and learn how to properly portray themselves as highly trained U.S. Marines, it looked like even the extras playing the Army soldiers had perfect form and weapons handling. And from what the director says Aaron Eckhart broke his arm but continued filming/training. All in all- Great Movie. And if the critics don't agree- Fuck Em', this was a good movie, and i hope this review will inspire more people to go and see it.--[[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 2:20, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

One of my favourite moments in the film was when Aaron Eckhart's character ended up shouting "NOT AGAIN!" to the Lieutenant. It really made you think about how real this character is coming across. People were talking behind his back saying how he got all his people killed but he was dealing with some heavy guilt over the situation. Also, damn Brian Tyler did an amazing job with the score. One of the best film scores of the year for me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:35, 3 July 2011 (CDT)

I enjoyed it too. It doesn't default to the "they're aliens so nothing they do has to make sense" cliche (say, the aliens in ''Signs'' jumping around on roofs for absolutely no discernable reason), and neither are the aliens so ridiculously superior to us that it's obvious we'll never defeat them without something totally stupid happening (one of the issues I had with ''Independence Day'' is it was obvious about halfway through that the only way the good guys would win would be to cheat somehow). I rather like the way the aliens act like actual soldiers, ducking and hesistating and generally moving like they don't enjoy the prospect of dying, and I get the strong idea from their equipment that they're used to fighting wars their way and are finding out the hard way that it isn't all as effective as it was back home. I imagine the idea of the surgically grafted weapons is to ensure that they can't possibly surrender because they can't be disarmed or disarm themselves; I've heard the filmmakers said they're soldiers of some hideous fascist alien government, so I'd assume that government would take steps like that to make sure there wasn't any kind of communication between them and the natives that could jeopardise the mission to kill all of them. Unlike the terminally stupid videogame, the only really silly thing I've noticed is Eckhart's uniform keeps washing itself, and the movie aliens look way better than the zombie scarecrow robots in the game. I guess some people tend to be too cynical to just accept a story about soldiers (well, Marines in this case, I know the USMC don't like being called soldiers) as good people trying to do their best and make a difference in a hard situation. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:24, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== gloves ==

the gloves that SSgt Nantz use throughout the film, anyone know what they are or who makes them? im looking to purchase a pair

Blackhawk if you check their website I'm sure you will spot them , I read it on the website who supplied the movie, don't remember the model though.

The model of the gloves are Blackhawk Nomex Fury Commando Gloves ($70.99)

==C4==
I'm pretty sure that they were using C4s in the movie. That one 2nd Lieutenant killed himself with it and they attempted killing the aliens at one point with them. Just saying. That and I believe that there was one scene where the lady was using a shotgun. It was the scene where the alien landed on the car and she shot it with the shotgun and then some alien blood splattered all over her face lol.

Yes, they were using C4 and the officer blew himself and a bunch od aliens up with it. Michele Rodreigez's character (Sgt. Santos) didn't have a shotgun, she was still using her M4A1.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 09:07, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

:I'll have to check the lettering, obviously it's not real C4 but they could be imitations of M112 "Charge, Demolition" blocks and if so we can use that image I have to ID them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:31, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:M112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M112 demolition charge]]

=="Elena" Santos==

I just changed the poor womans name to Elena (which is the characters correct name) instead of Adriana. Where did Adriana come from?

:The film was a big hit at Comic-Con when they previewed it there. I vaguely remember her name being given as ''Adriana'' rather than Elena. But I could be wrong, so take that with a grain of sand. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:56, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== There's a game ==

I played it through. It's...Well, awful. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:27, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

Hey, at least it beats E.T. on the Atari XD -Kangabox

== M240 ==
This screenshot is lumped in under the M240D entry.
[[Image:BLA 050.jpg‎|thumb|600px||none|An LAV gunner mans the M240.]]
And being that it's an M240''G'' rather than a D, shouldn't it be under its own entry? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:58, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
:In fact, if you look at the screenshot in full resolution, you can see there's a heat shield on the barrel, which would make it an M240''B''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:01, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== Battle of Los Angeles ==
I put a mention of the film's inspiration and link to the Wikipedia article for the Battle of LA at the top of the page beneath the film summary. It may not be totally relevant to the guns used in the movie, but I feel it worth mentioning that the film was inspired by a historic event. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:56, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

Good idea. Some people tend to forget that this website isn't just about guns but about the films as well. I think it would be cool if there were reviews of the various films and TV shows on here. I don't mind writing a few reviews if they are wanted. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:39, 3 July 2011 (CDT)

== Notes as I watch for others / self: ==

Mark 19 grenade launcher at 15:47 on an AAVP7A1 on television.

Plenty of USMC Cobras flitting around, have to check if there's a clear shot of an M197.

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, and I think it might be worth repeating from the game article that they're showing Copperhead guided artillery rounds as missiles with exhaust flares and smoke trails, and they call them missiles a couple of times. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:34, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

::The missiles that was fired looked to big to be a 155mm artillery shell (looks kind of like an ATACMS), not to mention it flew sraight. It might just be the Marines/script writers mis-used the term Copperhead for the laser guided missiles in the movie. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:03, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Yeah, but this is one of the few things the videogame and the movie both agree on; they're supposed to be M712 Copperhead rounds (movie uses Copperhead, game goes so far as to call them "em-seven-twelve" when they're calling for support). They're just incorrectly shown as weird do-everything missiles rather than guided arty rounds. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[File:BLA 047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine passes out the M16A4 at Camp Pendleton.]]

[[Image:BLA 081.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Another shot of Joe Rincon with his newly acquired M16A4.]]

[[Image:BLA 17.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Several other U.S. Marines provide overwatch with their M16A4's.]]
[[File:BLA 281.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the M16A4 held by the California National Guard soldiers.]]
[[Image:Battle_los_angeles3.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Cpl. Harris and PFC Lenihan are seen armed with M16A4's as they're surprised by an alien soldier jumping out of a swimming pool.]]
[[Image:BLA 18.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Private First Class Lenihan ([[Noel Fisher]]) nervously holds his M16A4 at the ready as an alien soldier approaches from behind him.]]

[[File:BLA 057.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC Lenihan nervously cleans off the ACOG scope.]]

== M4A1 with bayonets ==

In the final battle scene, marines were seen having hand-to-hand combat with aliens using M4A1 with bayonet attached. I am wondering if M4A1 are meant suitable to go with the bayonets because Ive also seen a lot montage on US Rangers/Marines storming into and clearing rooms in Afangistan, Iraq etc and they did not have bayonets attached despite expecting enemies at point-blank range. So the point Im trying to put across is that is it a movie effect, or US Army did have a training on this. And is M4A1 suitable to be attach with bayonets despite that it is heavily attached with scopes, handles etc?

As far as I know standard M4A1 rifles have bayonet lugs. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

:The M4 carbine can take both the M9 and OKC-3S bayonets. The US Army doesn't do very much bayonet training any more (USMC still does though), due to the fact that the last time there was a bayonet assault was during Korea. I imagine the reason they aren't used for house clearing is the fact that when a bunch of guys are bursting through a door one behind the other, the last thing you want is for them to have knives on the end of their rifles. Bayonets also mess up the barrel harmonics, making the rifle less accurate. Only time I'm aware of bayonets being used in recent times was in an incident where a British Army convoy was ambushed outside of Basra, ran short on ammunition and bayonet charged the enemy position. This were pretty exceptional circumstances though. I haven't seen the movie, but if the soldier were short on ammunition then it is justifiable. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:22, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

:They were severely outnumbered, outgunned, and very nearly overran. Considering those circumstances, it would make sense for some to mount bayonets ''just in case''. But my question is, is it correct that Santos has an OKC-3S? She's Air Force and I thought the OKC-3S was unique to the Marines? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:31, 24 November 2011 (CST)
::The Marine she was with could have given her his bayonet, he doesn't attach one to his rifle if I remember correctly. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 02:12, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::No, he has his attached, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:45, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::They're a small, outnumbered force trapped behind enemy lines. They're definitely going to be scrounging to get extra supplies, gear, ammo, etc. Heck, they even show them scrounging stuff in the store and at the abandoned airbase. It's quite possible that she took the OKC-3S bayonet off of a dead Marine as she was looking for additional ammo, etc. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 08:31, 29 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Possible, but we don't see it. That kind of thing is referred to as "plot spackle" by fanfiction writers, I believe; you're not supposed to have to make things up to fill in "cracks" in the information you're given. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:45, 29 November 2011 (CST)

== Sneaky M249 Para ==
It can briefly be spotted in the opening scene within the 1 minute mark as the Marines are rushing toward the helicopters.

(removed link [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]])

I took it on my phone (best I can do until I get my hands on the blu-ray come Christmas). Should I go ahead and upload it as a temporary cap or does someone with the blu-ray want to handle this? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:03, 28 November 2011 (CST)

I don't think it's a Para. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 15:30, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:BLA 1003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:BLA 1004.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:BLA 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I think that that gun has the M249E1 tubular steel stock, Para barrel and M249E2 handguard, so is a bit of a mix. I think it is a match for the one pictured below, which was described where I found it as the "Minimi PIP", but am fairly sure that is wrong as one of the things in the PIP was the synthetic stock with the buffer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:40, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[File:Minimi unknown variant.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Minimi with short barrel - 5.56x45mm]]

::It's hard to tell the difference between stocks since the buttpad area looks vaguely similar on them and it's all we see of this one, but the above pic seems to me like a good compromise in this case. There appears to be a second M249 with the new style M4-ish collapsible stock on the left edge of the third screencap above, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:06, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::I think it is the original metal one, as if it were the plastic one the bottom of the stock would go straight forward from he bottom of the butt plate, whereas on this gun it appears to slope upwards. The butt plates themselves are essentially the same though, so is very hard to tell. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:34, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::The most widely available M249 buttstock, by far, in the Marine Corps is the collapsible one similar to an M4 buttstock. The actual super short Para SAW buttstock is not widely used by the USMC. It's mainly an Army issued thing. The Marines also still have some of the older contoured synthetic stocks like the M240's for some SAWs, but those have mostly been relegated to training and reserve units. I personally never saw one in the fleet, and I've NEVER seen one of the tubular stocks on a Marine SAW. I'm fairly sure only the FN MINIMIs used by foreign militaries, and maybe some Army M249s have those. However, like Commando said, all SAW buttstocks have essentially the same butt plate, so it's impossible to tell which one is shown in the screen shot the way the Marine is carrying it, which by the way IS the proper way to carry a SAW when it's not in action (Kudos to the production company for ensuring some accuracy in their portrayal). [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 13:32, 29 November 2011 (CST)

Well, since there doesn't seem to be any more discussion on it, I'm going to go ahead and add the M249 Para with the M4-style buttstock to the main page. Since a SAW with said stock can be seen in one of the screenshots above, I'm just going to presume the one in question has the same stock. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

== AN/PEQ-15 ==

I know i might sound stupid, but im not familiar with laser designators, why is it most interesting that the marines are using AN/PEQ-15's on their rifles?--gunner5

:The older PEQ-2 tends to be used much more frequently. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:59, 18 February 2012 (CST)
::That's actually no longer the case. PEQ-15s are now far more prevalent. I think 10 years of war have worn out most of the PEQ-2s. I never used a -2 while I was in the Corps, only the -15, although some of the "old" guys swear the PEQ-2 is better.[[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 19:39, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Battle: Los Angeles

2012-05-25T00:30:42Z

Travestytrav: /* Weapons + thoughts */

Talk:Haywire

2012-05-17T17:49:15Z

Travestytrav:

just a small thing the garda (An Garda Síochána) call their swat teams Emergency Response Unit (ERU) nothing big but just to let you know --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 17:36, 16 March 2012 (CDT)

== Mini-Uzi ==

That might be a Mini-Uzi in the equipment on the bed but in the cap above as well as in the trailers I have seen she is clearly firing a Micro-Uzi. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:58, 25 January 2012 (GMT)
:Promo image to prove it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:21, 25 January 2012 (CST)
:[[File:Haywire mivro uzi promo.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
The promo picture is a Micro, but the both picks on the main page seem to be Minis. Also, I've seen the movie and she and Aaron are both using the Mini.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 18:49, 25 January 2012 (CST)
:In the trailer it is a Micro as well:
:[[File:Haywire Micro trailer.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:Crappy screenshot, but if you look at the relationship between the front of the trigger guard and the barrel nut, there is no room for the handguard of a Mini. Also, you can just see the tip of the charging handle, which is too close to the front sight for a Mini. The barrel is longer than a regular Micro though, but from the promo images looks like this is a custom compensated barrel as cuts are visible and the muzzle flash is asymmetric. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:15, 25 January 2012 (CST)
:EDIT: Just looked into it, and apparently the ported barrels are the standard barrel on the Micro Uzi, which means that all the pictures on here are of the Uzi Pistol apart from this one:
:[[File:MicroUzi-2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
::Stupid question but...what are the red things stuck on the weapon? Any ideas? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:18, 25 January 2012 (CST)
:::Redelectrical tape, I think. It might be so you can tell your gun from your partner's, but I can't remember if both the Uzis had red tape. Alternativly, the tape is to write your name on.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 06:54, 26 January 2012 (CST)

==AllMoviePhoto==
I got some screencaps from allmoviephoto.com which are, unlike my caps, incredebly clear. (Seriously, the film seems to be deliberatly shot to deny you semi-decent screengrabs.) Am I OK to use them on the page, or is there a copyright issue I don't know about? For what's probalby the only film whose characters use the Micro Uzi's stock, there's precious few clear shots of it. The film goes black-and-white with music and no sound in the shootout, which totaly ruins the cool factor.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 15:25, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

==Red Tape on the Uzis?==
Does anyone have any idea why the uzis and a lot of other equipment they use in Barcelona have the red tape on them? I mean, I'm not a super spy/assassin or anything, but I just can't think of any practical reason for having bright, colorful tape on your weapons or gear like that. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 12:49, 17 May 2012 (CDT)

Talk:The Italian Job (2003)

2012-04-15T17:14:53Z

Travestytrav: /* Steve's USP */

==EAA Witness==
This picture of the EAA Witness makes it look like the weapon was the .45 variant. Anyone agree? I'm not suggesting making any changes to the article, I was just curious. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
[[‎Image:IJ-Pistol 03Ta.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Steve aims his EAA Witness]]

==Kimel AP-9==
To my knowledge there was never a factory full-auto AP-9 model nor a version with a stock (maybe you're thinking of the old [[Tec-9#Interdynamic MP9/KG-9|Interdynamic MP-9]]?), the ridges running down the length of the receiver are standard on all AP-9's and is solid.

==Trivia==
===Gold Bars===
* The most common trading size of gold bars is the LGDB ''London Good Delivery Bars'', the standard slender brick used by banks. These gold bars appear a little larger than the standard LGBD size. The standard size is 400 troy ounces, or 27.4 pounds a bar. A full sized gold brick (the same as a construction brick in dimensions) weighs 62.25 pounds, however no institution trades their gold in that fashion. They all use the 'smaller' and easier to lift bricks. Like all movies dealing with gold, it is physically impossible for these persons to handle these 30+ pound pieces of metal so easily and their vehicles (underwater sled, truck, Austin Minis) could not possibly hold the heavy tonnage of that much gold. Call it a "suspension of disbelief".....
[[Image:IJ-Bars-of-Golda.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Our robbers move tons of gold via motorized underwater sleds. This many bars would weigh more than a large truck.]]
[[Image:IJ-GoldBarsa.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A hand was left in the shot for scale, but they seem a little larger than the LGBD. Of course they are plated prop bars, but in reality, if the bars were 15% larger than an LGBD, then each bar is over 30 pounds each. To put it in perspective, each small bar weighs more than a full sized M60 Machine gun.]]

(Moved here from main article due to lack of firearms relevance) [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

::I disagree. It was trivia related to the movie. Trivia that may be of interest (in small amounts) are allowed on the main movie page. I am moving it back.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Steve's USP ==

Are you sure that the pistol steve. Uses in the train yard is a standard USP? It looks like more of a USP compact to me. The pistol steve holds up when surrendering has the square trigger guard of a usp compact. Here is a picture of a compact for comparison: http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo38/wpslowik/usp2.jpg
(Statichunter 2012)

I agree. It's definitely a USP Compact. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 12:14, 15 April 2012 (CDT)

Carcano Rifle Series

2012-03-10T17:51:09Z

Travestytrav: /* Carcano M91/38 Cavalry Carbine */

The "Royal Infantry Musket" Mannlicher-Carcano-Parravicino Rifle series is a group of Italian made bolt-action rifles and carbines that began with the Infantry Model 1891 and continued with rifles like the M1938, M91/38 and M91/41 until the end of the Second World War. He was the ordinance rifle used by Italian Soldiers by First Italo-Ethiopian War (1896-1898) from Second World War.

The M91/38 Short version Rifle for Cavalry with a six-round magazine and scope, became infamous as the rifle that Lee Harvey Oswald used to assassinate JFK.

==Carcano M91 Rifle==
[[File:Carcano91.jpg|thumb|right|550px|Carcano M91 Short Rifle for Cavalry- 6.5mm.]]

===Film===

 
==Carcano M91/38 Short Rifle==
[[Image:CarcanoM91-38ShortRifle.jpg|thumb|right|550px|Carcano M91/38 Short Rifle for Cavalry- 6.5mm.]]

===Film===
* [[James DiStefano]] as Lee Harvey Oswald in ''[[Running Against Time]]''

* [[Gary Oldman]] as Lee Harvey Oswald in ''[[JFK]]''

* [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] as The Comedian/Edward Blake in ''[[Watchmen]]''

* Paul Carr as unidentified assassination conspirator in "[[Executive Action]]" (1973)

* Tawm Ellis as Dr. Karl Werner in ''[[Shriek of the Mutilated]]'' (1974)

===Television===
* Toby Aspin as Lee Harvey Oswald in ''[[Red Dwarf]]''

* [[Scott Bakula]] as Lee Harvey Oswald in ''[[Quantum Leap]]'' (Season 5, Episode 1 & 2: "Lee Harvey Oswald - Oct 5, 1957-Nov 22, 1963: Part 2")

* Ryan Blakely as Lee Harvey Oswald in "[[The Kennedys]]" (2011)

 

==Carcano M91/38 Cavalry Carbine==
[[Image:CarcanoM38CavCarbine.jpg|thumb|right|550px|Carcano M91/38 Cavalry Carbine with folded bayonet - 6.5mm.]]
===Film===
* Mosca ([[Mario Donatone]]) in ''[[The Godfather Part III]]''

* Mafia Members at the cliff in ''[[The Italian Job]]''

* Seen behind a radiator in Rocky Balboa's ([[Sylvester Stallone]]) apartment in ''Rocky''

*Italian Carabinieri and Army soldiers in "[[Salvatore Giuliano]]"

*Italian artillery troops in ''[[Captain Corelli's Mandolin]]''

===Television===

* this rifle was used to test the "magic bullet" myth on ''[[Mythbusters]]''

==Carcano M91/41==

[[Image:CarcanoM91Rifle.jpg|thumb|right|550px|Carcano M91/41 Rifle - 6.5mm.]]

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Rifle]]
[[Category:Battle Rifle]]

Talk:Act of Valor

2012-03-02T09:37:01Z

Travestytrav: /* Thoughts? */

==Thoughts?==

Saw the trailer when I went to see Courageous. I thought it looked pretty sweet. What do you guys think? - [[User:1morey]] October 14, 2011 9:38 PM (EST)

:I'm seeing first showing on opening day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:37, 14 November 2011 (CST)

::It looks pretty impressive, even moreso in that actual SEALs were involved on-screen, not just in a behind-the-scenes consulting role like in most war films. I heard parts of this were actually retained for training purposes due to the degree of realism in the tactics and methods used in the film. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:26, 14 November 2011 (CST)

Overall, I thought the movie was lame, but that's the Marine combat vet side of me speaking, so I'm biased. On the plus side the violence and body count side of the movie is nice, and they don't try to gloss over the bloodier parts of it. But, couldn't they have put an M-14 or two in there somewhere, for old-time's sake? Maybe just for the sniper dude or something? The SEALs I know love their M-14s and I know they still carry them on some missions, just wish they would have thrown one in there. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 01:18, 29 February 2012 (CST)

:Apparently none of the SEALs in this one opted for M14s and I doubt the filmmakers had any leeway in what they used either. Besides, by this time they would have replaced their M14s with Mark 14s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:40, 1 March 2012 (CST)

Personaly, I thoguht they were underarmed. The whole 8-man team had M4s, exept for the sniper. None of them had M203s, M249s, or M60 variants. I've always gotten the impression the SEALS, like most special forces units, tend to be over-armed. Yet in the movie, the squad would be outgunned by any infantry squad in the world. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 15:39, 1 March 2012 (CST)

No, SEALs, as with most Special Operations Units, tend to be armed with as much as they need. The only time their ever over-armed is if their mission is expected to exceed a specific time set or they feel as though they need more than usual. SOU's choose their own armaments based on what they feel they may need to complete the mission. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] 16:47, 1 March 2012 (CST)

You're never over-armed. You might not need a machinegun or grenade launcher but, as the saying goes, better to have and not need than to need and not have.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 21:33, 1 March 2012 (CST)
:Agreed. The first rule of battle is: Never fight fair. They had to know they'd be going up against guys with assault rifles in every operation, which means you always bring more than just assault rifles. They should have had at least one belt-fed weapon (more likely 2), and at least one (more likely 2) M203 if for no other reason than to shoot non-lethal and/or pyro rounds. I imagine everyone was carrying M4s to make production easier, especially since some of it was apparently live-fire. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 03:37, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== Extended Trailer ==
I've got some additional pics from the extended trailer that I'm going to upload. Pics show a strange carbine-length sniper rifle that I can't ID (fore-end is that of an M4 with fixed FSP and KAC RIS, but it appears to have a 7.62 magazine), a Mark 11 variant (can't see the fore-end to ID which one exactly), FN Mags, FN Minimis, a possible M60D, and a handheld M60 (can't tell which variant because I can't see all of it). There's probably more, but I'll go over the trailer with a fine tooth comb later. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 14 November 2011 (CST)
:Upon closer examination, the handheld M60 is just another M240G. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:57, 15 November 2011 (CST)

== Unknown Sniper Rifle ==
Take a look.
[[File:AoVSniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|???]]
[[File:AoVSR25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|???]]

M4 fore-end with a 7.62 mag. Any ideas as to what it is? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:06, 14 November 2011 (CST)

: Possably a SEAL Recon Rifle? See: <strike>http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5515/sealsnipers6uy1.jpg </Strike> (Wrong photo)[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:04, 24 December 2011 (CST)

::That's a Mark 12 Mod 1, not a RECCE Rifle. RECCEs are a 16" breed, in addition to being 5.56. The rifle above has a 7.62 mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:02, 24 December 2011 (CST)

:::Ah, sorry, theres a RECCE rifle on the same page i got the photo from which i can't seem to find now :(, that said it could still be a 5.56 with a 20rnd mag, films do a have a history of making things look larger than they actually are *cough* preditor M134 anyone? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)

:::Mag still looks too big to be 5.56 to me. But whatever it is, I'm pulling that screencap from the SR-25 entry on the main page since it's clearly not an SR-25 by the short barrel and fixed front sight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:::Okay, I just got back from the movie and this rifle is ''definitely'' a 7.62. It's the same rifle that's in the screencap under the SR-25 entry (which I removed and placed here). I'm thinking maybe an AR-10 carbine? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:10, 24 February 2012 (CST)

== Live Fire ==

Apparently this film is gonna use live fire,which is an extreme rarity for films. Gonna be interesting to see though
:I don't believe this for a second as live ammunition is pretty much prohibited from a film set unless it's in a 100% locked down and closed environment. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:52, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::I wouldn't be so sure, if you watch the trailer the miniguns on the boats are spewing out regular empty brass rather than fired blanks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:11, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:::See those look like blanks to me, and that one shot is a close up so it could have been shot on a locked down location, film editing is a clever thing ;)--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 22:18, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::::According to BLACKFIVE.net, it's nearly all live ammo. He saw a screening of it, talks about it here ( http://www.blackfive.net/main/2011/10/update-act-of-valor.html ). [[User:RC 5213|RC 5213]]
::::: ''Nearly all'' being the key word, i doubt any of the shots with anything other than the actual seals in the film where live fire and I doubt any of the actors used live fire. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:33, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::::::I still doubt that it was live ammo, it just seems so implausible that it would be allowed, what if one of the bullets ricocheted, missed the target, etc. It seems like an absolutely unnecessary risk to use live ammo. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::thats the whole idea of franagle ammunation [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:32, 3 January 2012 (CST)
Pretty sure it would just be the SEALs using live ammo, the actors are probably using blanks. Yes it is dangerous, but the SEALs are trained to be excellent shooters so I can believe it. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 14:30, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:But like you say it's dangerous and seems like a stupid risk to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:09, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::The film was shot during various SEAL training exercises and uses them as action set pieces, so it is possible that is what the article is referring to. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)
::: Yea, if i remember correctly this was originaly made to be a recruiting video for the SEAL's that turned into a film.[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:33, 3 January 2012 (CST)

My understanding from [http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/actofvalor/ this] featurette is that the live fire was done how the live fire in [[Miami Vice (2006)]] was done. Shoot the shit out of whatever you want shot, then add any people you need in the scene after. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 06:58, 14 January 2012 (CST)

[http://www.youtube.com/actofvalormovie] The making of video shows that they used both blanks and Live Fire.

Just my two cents, I thought the movie was lame, but one thing I did notice was how realistic some of the weapons' firing sounded, so it doesn't surprise me that some of the shooting was live-fire. I would say any live-fire shooting was being done by the SEALs since it was only the M4s firing that sounded real. Most of the pistol shooting and ALL of the AK-47 shooting sounded fake. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 01:09, 29 February 2012 (CST)

Live fire was definitely used in some (or all) the miniguns on the river boats. In a flyover shot, you can see the barrels get red hot on the miniguns, I doubt that can happen with blanks, as it is the friction of the bullets going down the barrels that causes the barrels to get red hot. I'm pretty sure if it was just blanks, the gases don't hang around long enough to warm up the barrel that much.

== Something clearly wrong with the front sight. ==

[[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:AOV-M4-3.jpg]]
Is it just me or there is some kind of "solid" front sight? Or,could it be just water? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 18:03, 26 February 2012 (CST)
:Looks like just water to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:29, 26 February 2012 (CST)

==Guns==
I think I saw a M933 or Mk18 on the yacht, though it may have just been a M4. Also, a gunman in one of the trucks seemed to have a Beretta M12 or Walther MPL/MPK, any ideas? A few bad guys had pistols, but I couldb't see them well.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:32, 28 February 2012 (CST)

I thought I'd saw a Mark 18, too, but it didn't appear anywhere else, so I presumed it to be just another M4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:34, 1 March 2012 (CST)

This website as a photo of SEALs with Mark 18s and as far as I can tell this is the only time they are used in the movie.

http://www.filmofilia.com/act-of-valor-tv-spot-87064/

Talk:Act of Valor

2012-02-29T07:18:14Z

Travestytrav: /* Thoughts? */

==Thoughts?==

Saw the trailer when I went to see Courageous. I thought it looked pretty sweet. What do you guys think? - [[User:1morey]] October 14, 2011 9:38 PM (EST)

:I'm seeing first showing on opening day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:37, 14 November 2011 (CST)

::It looks pretty impressive, even moreso in that actual SEALs were involved on-screen, not just in a behind-the-scenes consulting role like in most war films. I heard parts of this were actually retained for training purposes due to the degree of realism in the tactics and methods used in the film. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:26, 14 November 2011 (CST)

Overall, I thought the movie was lame, but that's the Marine combat vet side of me speaking, so I'm biased. On the plus side the violence and body count side of the movie is nice, and they don't try to gloss over the bloodier parts of it. But, couldn't they have put an M-14 or two in there somewhere, for old-time's sake? Maybe just for the sniper dude or something? The SEALs I know love their M-14s and I know they still carry them on some missions, just wish they would have thrown one in there. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 01:18, 29 February 2012 (CST)

== Extended Trailer ==
I've got some additional pics from the extended trailer that I'm going to upload. Pics show a strange carbine-length sniper rifle that I can't ID (fore-end is that of an M4 with fixed FSP and KAC RIS, but it appears to have a 7.62 magazine), a Mark 11 variant (can't see the fore-end to ID which one exactly), FN Mags, FN Minimis, a possible M60D, and a handheld M60 (can't tell which variant because I can't see all of it). There's probably more, but I'll go over the trailer with a fine tooth comb later. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 14 November 2011 (CST)
:Upon closer examination, the handheld M60 is just another M240G. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:57, 15 November 2011 (CST)

== Unknown Sniper Rifle ==
Take a look.
[[File:AoVSniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|???]]
[[File:AoVSR25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|???]]

M4 fore-end with a 7.62 mag. Any ideas as to what it is? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:06, 14 November 2011 (CST)

: Possably a SEAL Recon Rifle? See: <strike>http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5515/sealsnipers6uy1.jpg </Strike> (Wrong photo)[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:04, 24 December 2011 (CST)

::That's a Mark 12 Mod 1, not a RECCE Rifle. RECCEs are a 16" breed, in addition to being 5.56. The rifle above has a 7.62 mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:02, 24 December 2011 (CST)

:::Ah, sorry, theres a RECCE rifle on the same page i got the photo from which i can't seem to find now :(, that said it could still be a 5.56 with a 20rnd mag, films do a have a history of making things look larger than they actually are *cough* preditor M134 anyone? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)

:::Mag still looks too big to be 5.56 to me. But whatever it is, I'm pulling that screencap from the SR-25 entry on the main page since it's clearly not an SR-25 by the short barrel and fixed front sight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:::Okay, I just got back from the movie and this rifle is ''definitely'' a 7.62. It's the same rifle that's in the screencap under the SR-25 entry (which I removed and placed here). I'm thinking maybe an AR-10 carbine? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:10, 24 February 2012 (CST)

== Live Fire ==

Apparently this film is gonna use live fire,which is an extreme rarity for films. Gonna be interesting to see though
:I don't believe this for a second as live ammunition is pretty much prohibited from a film set unless it's in a 100% locked down and closed environment. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:52, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::I wouldn't be so sure, if you watch the trailer the miniguns on the boats are spewing out regular empty brass rather than fired blanks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:11, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:::See those look like blanks to me, and that one shot is a close up so it could have been shot on a locked down location, film editing is a clever thing ;)--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 22:18, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::::According to BLACKFIVE.net, it's nearly all live ammo. He saw a screening of it, talks about it here ( http://www.blackfive.net/main/2011/10/update-act-of-valor.html ). [[User:RC 5213|RC 5213]]
::::: ''Nearly all'' being the key word, i doubt any of the shots with anything other than the actual seals in the film where live fire and I doubt any of the actors used live fire. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:33, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::::::I still doubt that it was live ammo, it just seems so implausible that it would be allowed, what if one of the bullets ricocheted, missed the target, etc. It seems like an absolutely unnecessary risk to use live ammo. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::thats the whole idea of franagle ammunation [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:32, 3 January 2012 (CST)
Pretty sure it would just be the SEALs using live ammo, the actors are probably using blanks. Yes it is dangerous, but the SEALs are trained to be excellent shooters so I can believe it. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 14:30, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:But like you say it's dangerous and seems like a stupid risk to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:09, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::The film was shot during various SEAL training exercises and uses them as action set pieces, so it is possible that is what the article is referring to. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)
::: Yea, if i remember correctly this was originaly made to be a recruiting video for the SEAL's that turned into a film.[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:33, 3 January 2012 (CST)

My understanding from [http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/actofvalor/ this] featurette is that the live fire was done how the live fire in [[Miami Vice (2006)]] was done. Shoot the shit out of whatever you want shot, then add any people you need in the scene after. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 06:58, 14 January 2012 (CST)

[http://www.youtube.com/actofvalormovie] The making of video shows that they used both blanks and Live Fire.

Just my two cents, I thought the movie was lame, but one thing I did notice was how realistic some of the weapons' firing sounded, so it doesn't surprise me that some of the shooting was live-fire. I would say any live-fire shooting was being done by the SEALs since it was only the M4s firing that sounded real. Most of the pistol shooting and ALL of the AK-47 shooting sounded fake. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 01:09, 29 February 2012 (CST)

Live fire was definitely used in some (or all) the miniguns on the river boats. In a flyover shot, you can see the barrels get red hot on the miniguns, I doubt that can happen with blanks, as it is the friction of the bullets going down the barrels that causes the barrels to get red hot. I'm pretty sure if it was just blanks, the gases don't hang around long enough to warm up the barrel that much.

== Something clearly wrong with the front sight. ==

[[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:AOV-M4-3.jpg]]
Is it just me or there is some kind of "solid" front sight? Or,could it be just water? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 18:03, 26 February 2012 (CST)
:Looks like just water to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:29, 26 February 2012 (CST)

==Guns==
I think I saw a M933 or Mk18 on the yacht, though it may have just been a M4. Also, a gunman in one of the trucks seemed to have a Beretta M12 or Walther MPL/MPK, any ideas? A few bad guys had pistols, but I couldb't see them well.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:32, 28 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Act of Valor

2012-02-29T07:09:30Z

Travestytrav: /* Live Fire */

Talk:Battle: Los Angeles

2011-11-29T19:32:33Z

Travestytrav: /* Sneaky M249 Para */

==aliens==
I wounder if the aliens are going to be easy to kill as us humans with a few bullets, or talk an entire magazine from am M4 to kill.

Probably like [[Independence Day]] where they will be some what easy to kill like us...but have supior body armor or way better technolgy.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Is this photo from their website? The site doesn't want to put unauthorized BTS photos (see the discussion on the [[Transformers 3]] page.
--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:BattleLosAngelesm1a2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1A2 Abrams on set in Louisiana.]]
This behind-the-scenes shot of the M1 Abrams on this Louisiana freeway set takes place when the main characters encounter it during the tank's battle with several alien platoons on the Los Angeles freeway overpasses mid-way into the film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:01, 30 August 2011 (CDT)

== Laser Modules on M4s ==
By the shape, they appear to be AN/PEQ-16As. I do believe this would qualify as the film debut of the device. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

:I thought it was the AN/PEQ-15? Still, I do believe this is the first film appearance of that system. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

::Upon second look, you're right. It is a 15, not a 16A. With that revelation, this would then be the ''second'' film appearance of it. The M4s used by the security team in Resident Evil: Afterlife had PEQ-15s on them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== FN M16? ==

I know FN actually makes the M16 as well, but how can you be certain the guns in the movie are FN? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:Colt and FN share the US military's M16A4 contract (I don't think they're buying M16A2s anymore). But where does it say the M16s in this film are FNs? I don't see it mentioned anywhere. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

::I changed it to just plainly M16A2 until whoever stated previously can prove it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:03, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting concept behind this movie... ==

I know that the whole alien invasion genre of film has been done to the death so many times over to the point where most audiences will just scoff at films like this just like they scoffed at Independence Day or, but I gotta admit, this film has an interesting concept to it's backstory.

I don't know if anyone has ever read about this, but on the night of Feburary 24-25, 1942, there was a "supposed" air raid against the city of Los Angeles where some unidentified aircraft appeared in the skies over Los Angeles, and since several other raids by Japanese aircraft and bombardments by Japanese submarines had been taking place all along the West Coast of the United States and even one attack on the coast of Vancouver, Canada had been happening throughout the beginning of 1942 (fresh after the attack on Pearl Harbor), this supposed "raid" on Los Angeles caused MASS hysteria and panic that an enemy invasion would be next after all these raids. So therefore the skies were lit up that night with anti-aircraft fire which damaged several buildings (since they fired around 1,400 shells), and caused 3 people to get killed by the anti-aircraft fire while 3 others died from the massive stress of the whole situation. However, it was revealed in the U.S. Government's "official" after-action report that there was NOTHING in the skies over Los Angeles except for a weather balloon and flares fired off from training aircraft, and that the reason why all the panic happened was because of "war nerves" causing people to mistake them for enemy aircraft and think that a raid was happeneing.

But some UFO theorists believe that the "unknown aircraft" in the skies over Los Angeles that night were alien craft, and that the government was covering it up.

So from what I have gathered, the plot behind this movie is the idea that when the Great Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942 happened, those REALLY were alien aircraft in the skies. And now, 69 years later in the movie's timeline (If it's supposed to take place in the year 2011), the aliens have returned to not only begin their invasion of Los Angeles, but to invade the rest of the world as well.

^Sounds like Harry Turtleodve's Worldwar series [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:31, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

Interesting backstory concept for this movie? I like to think so. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 13:24, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

It seems to be just a modernized Independence Day plot. Aliens come to invade Earth to get at our resources or something and wants to wipe us out and we fight back. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:11, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

:I guess this movie could be considered a more "modernized" version of Independence Day (And I'll be the critics will be comparing this film to Independence Day on it's official release), but at the same time, it takes a real life event that happened 69 years ago, and makes it into a more creative story where the event that took place really WAS the cause of aliens, and now they have returned to invade earth, with the city of Los Angeles being the steppingstone battleground to their campaign. Whereas with Independence Day, it only made passing mentions of past alien spacecraft sightings throughout history before the main invasion begins, but they never really dove into greater detail behind the reasons why in that film. And besides, this movie looks really interesting since (from what I have seen in the trailers) the aliens apparently will not always be in massive spaceships blasting the shit out of buildings, or using sneaky mind control tactics to assimilate humans, they will actually be on the ground, with weapons of their own, engaging in modern combat scenarios with a human army, and that is something (at least to my knowledge, but I could be wrong) that hasn't been (if ever) done in an alien invasion film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 08:54, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapons + thoughts ==
M9/Beretta 92 used in end battle by Aaron Eckart's character and someone else

M240 may have been on the LAV, too dark to see it clearly.

M2 on the Humvee

Unidentified mortar in the background early on, probably 81mm.

Round frag grenades (M67? M61?)

Smoke grenades (M18?)

I personaly thought that the movie was exhalent, good tactics on both sides.
Dont belive Roger Ebert's idioitic review. Seriously, go see the movie.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 17:16, 12 March 2011 (MSK)

:Well, the problem is that alot of people (being the gullible sheep that some people are) will listen to what the professional movie critics will say about movies like this, and just flat out dismiss it like they do (Even though there are some exceptions like when all the crazed fans of The Dark Knight sent death threats to the professional critics for giving that film anything less than 5 stars or A+ back in 2008... ridiculous huh?). And of course there is an even bigger majority of people who refuse to throw reality out the window these days and would rather nit-pick movies like this one to death for being "unrealistic" or whatever other bullshit arguments they bring up (Especially with movies like Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull for it's "unrealistic" refrigerator nuke scene, God... the arguments on that scene were so fucking ridiculous, even more ridiculous than the "Han Solo shot first!" argument). But really, I saw Battle: LA for myself, and I agree, it is a great alien invasion movie, and it also has done something that has never been seen in a major-budget blockbuster alien invasion film from years gone by (at least to my knowledge), and besides, pretty much ALL the actors in this film actually went through boot camp training so that way they look picture-perfect playing the U.S. Marine characters that they portray in the film. So rather than people blindly agreeing with what the professional critics are saying, I say go see this film for yourself and judge it for yourself. Maybe moviegoers might like this movie, and maybe they might not, but it's still a damn good film nevertheless. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 04:15, 15 March 2011 (CDT)

Anyone see what the corpsman's sidearm was? He never draw the weapon and it's kind of dark to see when I saw the weapon in the holster. I think it might be a SIG, which would make sense since Navy does issue M11/P228s. Can't be sure though.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 15:36, 13 March 2011 (MSK)

I just got back from seeing the film, and I REALLY want to say it's an MEU SOC. Hopefully somebody can clarify this for me. Also, was it me, or were the M16A4s seeming like they were going full auto? :P -Kangabox

I paid special attention to the gear details of this movie when I saw it a few hours ago, and I did notice a few moments when the M16s fired on fully automatic (when Hectair's father used one for example) but through most of the
film I noted the soldiers were useing their weapons on semi-automatic, just as they damn should be, but every other
movie has ignored this to my knowledge. So either this was simply a little hollywood hickup in the movie or its
assumed that M16A5s are being used (S-S-B-A M16s proposed by some firearms company that escapes my mind right now) by the USMC by the time the invasion happens. On a very possitive note I saw that the marines were all wearing MICH
helmets rather than PSGAT (marines have a different name for it) ones and the aformentioned laser designators as well as uniforms (patterns, gloves, body armour etc.) makes me think they had military reference on sight for the making of, because this movie was totally a PR thing for the USMC like transformers or stargate was for the airforce. Only three things that I actually didn't like were:
- the AT4 having a lock on tone (damn you call of duty!).
- the laser designator having a visable beam and them not simply useing the designators on their rifles.
- and finally; why didn't the aliens just drop a small nuclear weapon on every major military base from orbit and make us helpless as an opening strike? Because then there wouldn't be a movie, so I can ignore that one haha.
Anon has spoken, this movie is epic.

:I think the auto firing M16 could be the sound crew's fault too, just like how they added the lock on tone. I watched the movie again, Santos was actually aiming the AT4 at the drone's flight path, the the rocket travelled in a straight line rather than chasing after the drone like they did in the Stargate series. Also, PEQ lasers on the rifles cannot be use to paint target for missiles/LGBs, it can only illuminate the target for pilots and the pilots would need to target the weapons themselves. Most FACs and JTACs do use big ass laser designators like the ones in the movie (usually mounted on tripod).--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 03:15, 20 March 2011 (CDT)

:Speaking of sound crews, don't forget about that awkward sound the SAW made when we first saw it being fired. Sounded more like stock gunfire sounds coming from an M60. Also from a more technical standpoint, I saw esentially all the Marines wearing MARPATs with the standard BDU-style cut, but if we're assuming that this film takes place in the near future, shouldn't we see at least a few of the grunts wearing the newer FROG suits? Just a thought. -Kangabox

I don't think Lenihan is adjusting the knobs on his ACOG in the picture that is up. Looks like his fingers aren't near the knobs, he's probably wiping the lense.

:That actually make sense since he just got covered with laundry detergent. Once again, the sound crew messed up!--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 13:53, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

Even though i'm just reiterating everyone's point, i feel obligated to say it (or rather type it). This was a damn good movie, i know my opinion doesn't really mean a damn thing as i'm not a famous movie critic, but goddamn can this guy make a movie. The action part just as good as movies like Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down, which he says were his inspiration for it. It somehow captured the drama well without coming off as a poorly acted hacky pg-13 POS where the good guy just acts manly and goes "GODDAMMIT! I CANT LEAVE YOU!" and all that other horseshit dialogue that bad movies use. It also had something very unique and appreciated, an Alien force that acted like an actual military. If if they might have been conscripts (implied through the dialogue mentioning the alien weapon fused to the alien's arm) they still fought like trained combatants, and didn't just march forward slowly firing from the hip. They took cover, there were scenes when alien medics dragged comrades to safety, there were officers issuing orders, and aliens giving covering fire before advancing. And the director had the good sense to use a lot of particle effects instead of just 3D. 3D may look good in theaters, but when its not it comes off as the most hokey youtube 5 min edit job, turning a good movie into shit. And also surprisingly good acting, sure it wasn't Nicholson from CucKoo's Nest, but for an action flick it had some great dialogue in it. The actors training was also top-notch, they had the dedication to go to real bootcamp and learn how to properly portray themselves as highly trained U.S. Marines, it looked like even the extras playing the Army soldiers had perfect form and weapons handling. And from what the director says Aaron Eckhart broke his arm but continued filming/training. All in all- Great Movie. And if the critics don't agree- Fuck Em', this was a good movie, and i hope this review will inspire more people to go and see it.--[[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 2:20, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

One of my favourite moments in the film was when Aaron Eckhart's character ended up shouting "NOT AGAIN!" to the Lieutenant. It really made you think about how real this character is coming across. People were talking behind his back saying how he got all his people killed but he was dealing with some heavy guilt over the situation. Also, damn Brian Tyler did an amazing job with the score. One of the best film scores of the year for me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:35, 3 July 2011 (CDT)

I enjoyed it too. It doesn't default to the "they're aliens so nothing they do has to make sense" cliche (say, the aliens in ''Signs'' jumping around on roofs for absolutely no discernable reason), and neither are the aliens so ridiculously superior to us that it's obvious we'll never defeat them without something totally stupid happening (one of the issues I had with ''Independence Day'' is it was obvious about halfway through that the only way the good guys would win would be to cheat somehow). I rather like the way the aliens act like actual soldiers, ducking and hesistating and generally moving like they don't enjoy the prospect of dying, and I get the strong idea from their equipment that they're used to fighting wars their way and are finding out the hard way that it isn't all as effective as it was back home. I imagine the idea of the surgically grafted weapons is to ensure that they can't possibly surrender because they can't be disarmed or disarm themselves; I've heard the filmmakers said they're soldiers of some hideous fascist alien government, so I'd assume that government would take steps like that to make sure there wasn't any kind of communication between them and the natives that could jeopardise the mission to kill all of them. Unlike the terminally stupid videogame, the only really silly thing I've noticed is Eckhart's uniform keeps washing itself, and the movie aliens look way better than the zombie scarecrow robots in the game. I guess some people tend to be too cynical to just accept a story about soldiers (well, Marines in this case, I know the USMC don't like being called soldiers) as good people trying to do their best and make a difference in a hard situation. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:24, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== gloves ==

the gloves that SSgt Nantz use throughout the film, anyone know what they are or who makes them? im looking to purchase a pair

Blackhawk if you check their website I'm sure you will spot them , I read it on the website who supplied the movie, don't remember the model though.

The model of the gloves are Blackhawk Nomex Fury Commando Gloves ($70.99)

==C4==
I'm pretty sure that they were using C4s in the movie. That one 2nd Lieutenant killed himself with it and they attempted killing the aliens at one point with them. Just saying. That and I believe that there was one scene where the lady was using a shotgun. It was the scene where the alien landed on the car and she shot it with the shotgun and then some alien blood splattered all over her face lol.

Yes, they were using C4 and the officer blew himself and a bunch od aliens up with it. Michele Rodreigez's character (Sgt. Santos) didn't have a shotgun, she was still using her M4A1.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 09:07, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

:I'll have to check the lettering, obviously it's not real C4 but they could be imitations of M112 "Charge, Demolition" blocks and if so we can use that image I have to ID them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:31, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:M112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M112 demolition charge]]

=="Elena" Santos==

I just changed the poor womans name to Elena (which is the characters correct name) instead of Adriana. Where did Adriana come from?

:The film was a big hit at Comic-Con when they previewed it there. I vaguely remember her name being given as ''Adriana'' rather than Elena. But I could be wrong, so take that with a grain of sand. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:56, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== There's a game ==

I played it through. It's...Well, awful. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:27, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

Hey, at least it beats E.T. on the Atari XD -Kangabox

== M240 ==
This screenshot is lumped in under the M240D entry.
[[Image:BLA 050.jpg‎|thumb|600px||none|An LAV gunner mans the M240.]]
And being that it's an M240''G'' rather than a D, shouldn't it be under its own entry? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:58, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
:In fact, if you look at the screenshot in full resolution, you can see there's a heat shield on the barrel, which would make it an M240''B''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:01, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== Battle of Los Angeles ==
I put a mention of the film's inspiration and link to the Wikipedia article for the Battle of LA at the top of the page beneath the film summary. It may not be totally relevant to the guns used in the movie, but I feel it worth mentioning that the film was inspired by a historic event. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:56, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

Good idea. Some people tend to forget that this website isn't just about guns but about the films as well. I think it would be cool if there were reviews of the various films and TV shows on here. I don't mind writing a few reviews if they are wanted. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:39, 3 July 2011 (CDT)

== Notes as I watch for others / self: ==

Mark 19 grenade launcher at 15:47 on an AAVP7A1 on television.

Plenty of USMC Cobras flitting around, have to check if there's a clear shot of an M197.

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, and I think it might be worth repeating from the game article that they're showing Copperhead guided artillery rounds as missiles with exhaust flares and smoke trails, and they call them missiles a couple of times. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:34, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

::The missiles that was fired looked to big to be a 155mm artillery shell (looks kind of like an ATACMS), not to mention it flew sraight. It might just be the Marines/script writers mis-used the term Copperhead for the laser guided missiles in the movie. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:03, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Yeah, but this is one of the few things the videogame and the movie both agree on; they're supposed to be M712 Copperhead rounds (movie uses Copperhead, game goes so far as to call them "em-seven-twelve" when they're calling for support). They're just incorrectly shown as weird do-everything missiles rather than guided arty rounds. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[File:BLA 047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine passes out the M16A4 at Camp Pendleton.]]

[[Image:BLA 081.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Another shot of Joe Rincon with his newly acquired M16A4.]]

[[Image:BLA 17.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Several other U.S. Marines provide overwatch with their M16A4's.]]
[[File:BLA 281.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the M16A4 held by the California National Guard soldiers.]]
[[Image:Battle_los_angeles3.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Cpl. Harris and PFC Lenihan are seen armed with M16A4's as they're surprised by an alien soldier jumping out of a swimming pool.]]
[[Image:BLA 18.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Private First Class Lenihan ([[Noel Fisher]]) nervously holds his M16A4 at the ready as an alien soldier approaches from behind him.]]

[[File:BLA 057.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC Lenihan nervously cleans off the ACOG scope.]]

== M4A1 with bayonets ==

In the final battle scene, marines were seen having hand-to-hand combat with aliens using M4A1 with bayonet attached. I am wondering if M4A1 are meant suitable to go with the bayonets because Ive also seen a lot montage on US Rangers/Marines storming into and clearing rooms in Afangistan, Iraq etc and they did not have bayonets attached despite expecting enemies at point-blank range. So the point Im trying to put across is that is it a movie effect, or US Army did have a training on this. And is M4A1 suitable to be attach with bayonets despite that it is heavily attached with scopes, handles etc?

As far as I know standard M4A1 rifles have bayonet lugs. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

:The M4 carbine can take both the M9 and OKC-3S bayonets. The US Army doesn't do very much bayonet training any more (USMC still does though), due to the fact that the last time there was a bayonet assault was during Korea. I imagine the reason they aren't used for house clearing is the fact that when a bunch of guys are bursting through a door one behind the other, the last thing you want is for them to have knives on the end of their rifles. Bayonets also mess up the barrel harmonics, making the rifle less accurate. Only time I'm aware of bayonets being used in recent times was in an incident where a British Army convoy was ambushed outside of Basra, ran short on ammunition and bayonet charged the enemy position. This were pretty exceptional circumstances though. I haven't seen the movie, but if the soldier were short on ammunition then it is justifiable. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:22, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

:They were severely outnumbered, outgunned, and very nearly overran. Considering those circumstances, it would make sense for some to mount bayonets ''just in case''. But my question is, is it correct that Santos has an OKC-3S? She's Air Force and I thought the OKC-3S was unique to the Marines? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:31, 24 November 2011 (CST)
::The Marine she was with could have given her his bayonet, he doesn't attach one to his rifle if I remember correctly. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 02:12, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::No, he has his attached, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:45, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::They're a small, outnumbered force trapped behind enemy lines. They're definitely going to be scrounging to get extra supplies, gear, ammo, etc. Heck, they even show them scrounging stuff in the store and at the abandoned airbase. It's quite possible that she took the OKC-3S bayonet off of a dead Marine as she was looking for additional ammo, etc. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 08:31, 29 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Possible, but we don't see it. That kind of thing is referred to as "plot spackle" by fanfiction writers, I believe; you're not supposed to have to make things up to fill in "cracks" in the information you're given. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:45, 29 November 2011 (CST)

== Sneaky M249 Para ==
It can briefly be spotted in the opening scene within the 1 minute mark as the Marines are rushing toward the helicopters.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Mobile%20Uploads/1128111253.jpg

I took it on my phone (best I can do until I get my hands on the blu-ray come Christmas). Should I go ahead and upload it as a temporary cap or does someone with the blu-ray want to handle this? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:03, 28 November 2011 (CST)

I don't think it's a Para. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 15:30, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:BLA 1003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:BLA 1004.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:BLA 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I think that that gun has the M249E1 tubular steel stock, Para barrel and M249E2 handguard, so is a bit of a mix. I think it is a match for the one pictured below, which was described where I found it as the "Minimi PIP", but am fairly sure that is wrong as one of the things in the PIP was the synthetic stock with the buffer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:40, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[File:Minimi unknown variant.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Minimi with short barrel - 5.56x45mm]]

::It's hard to tell the difference between stocks since the buttpad area looks vaguely similar on them and it's all we see of this one, but the above pic seems to me like a good compromise in this case. There appears to be a second M249 with the new style M4-ish collapsible stock on the left edge of the third screencap above, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:06, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::I think it is the original metal one, as if it were the plastic one the bottom of the stock would go straight forward from he bottom of the butt plate, whereas on this gun it appears to slope upwards. The butt plates themselves are essentially the same though, so is very hard to tell. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:34, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::The most widely available M249 buttstock, by far, in the Marine Corps is the collapsible one similar to an M4 buttstock. The actual super short Para SAW buttstock is not widely used by the USMC. It's mainly an Army issued thing. The Marines also still have some of the older contoured synthetic stocks like the M240's for some SAWs, but those have mostly been relegated to training and reserve units. I personally never saw one in the fleet, and I've NEVER seen one of the tubular stocks on a Marine SAW. I'm fairly sure only the FN MINIMIs used by foreign militaries, and maybe some Army M249s have those. However, like Commando said, all SAW buttstocks have essentially the same butt plate, so it's impossible to tell which one is shown in the screen shot the way the Marine is carrying it, which by the way IS the proper way to carry a SAW when it's not in action (Kudos to the production company for ensuring some accuracy in their portrayal). [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 13:32, 29 November 2011 (CST)

Talk:Battle: Los Angeles

2011-11-29T14:31:43Z

Travestytrav: /* M4A1 with bayonets */

==aliens==
I wounder if the aliens are going to be easy to kill as us humans with a few bullets, or talk an entire magazine from am M4 to kill.

Probably like [[Independence Day]] where they will be some what easy to kill like us...but have supior body armor or way better technolgy.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Is this photo from their website? The site doesn't want to put unauthorized BTS photos (see the discussion on the [[Transformers 3]] page.
--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:BattleLosAngelesm1a2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1A2 Abrams on set in Louisiana.]]
This behind-the-scenes shot of the M1 Abrams on this Louisiana freeway set takes place when the main characters encounter it during the tank's battle with several alien platoons on the Los Angeles freeway overpasses mid-way into the film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:01, 30 August 2011 (CDT)

== Laser Modules on M4s ==
By the shape, they appear to be AN/PEQ-16As. I do believe this would qualify as the film debut of the device. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

:I thought it was the AN/PEQ-15? Still, I do believe this is the first film appearance of that system. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

::Upon second look, you're right. It is a 15, not a 16A. With that revelation, this would then be the ''second'' film appearance of it. The M4s used by the security team in Resident Evil: Afterlife had PEQ-15s on them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== FN M16? ==

I know FN actually makes the M16 as well, but how can you be certain the guns in the movie are FN? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:Colt and FN share the US military's M16A4 contract (I don't think they're buying M16A2s anymore). But where does it say the M16s in this film are FNs? I don't see it mentioned anywhere. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

::I changed it to just plainly M16A2 until whoever stated previously can prove it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:03, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting concept behind this movie... ==

I know that the whole alien invasion genre of film has been done to the death so many times over to the point where most audiences will just scoff at films like this just like they scoffed at Independence Day or, but I gotta admit, this film has an interesting concept to it's backstory.

I don't know if anyone has ever read about this, but on the night of Feburary 24-25, 1942, there was a "supposed" air raid against the city of Los Angeles where some unidentified aircraft appeared in the skies over Los Angeles, and since several other raids by Japanese aircraft and bombardments by Japanese submarines had been taking place all along the West Coast of the United States and even one attack on the coast of Vancouver, Canada had been happening throughout the beginning of 1942 (fresh after the attack on Pearl Harbor), this supposed "raid" on Los Angeles caused MASS hysteria and panic that an enemy invasion would be next after all these raids. So therefore the skies were lit up that night with anti-aircraft fire which damaged several buildings (since they fired around 1,400 shells), and caused 3 people to get killed by the anti-aircraft fire while 3 others died from the massive stress of the whole situation. However, it was revealed in the U.S. Government's "official" after-action report that there was NOTHING in the skies over Los Angeles except for a weather balloon and flares fired off from training aircraft, and that the reason why all the panic happened was because of "war nerves" causing people to mistake them for enemy aircraft and think that a raid was happeneing.

But some UFO theorists believe that the "unknown aircraft" in the skies over Los Angeles that night were alien craft, and that the government was covering it up.

So from what I have gathered, the plot behind this movie is the idea that when the Great Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942 happened, those REALLY were alien aircraft in the skies. And now, 69 years later in the movie's timeline (If it's supposed to take place in the year 2011), the aliens have returned to not only begin their invasion of Los Angeles, but to invade the rest of the world as well.

^Sounds like Harry Turtleodve's Worldwar series [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:31, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

Interesting backstory concept for this movie? I like to think so. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 13:24, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

It seems to be just a modernized Independence Day plot. Aliens come to invade Earth to get at our resources or something and wants to wipe us out and we fight back. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:11, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

:I guess this movie could be considered a more "modernized" version of Independence Day (And I'll be the critics will be comparing this film to Independence Day on it's official release), but at the same time, it takes a real life event that happened 69 years ago, and makes it into a more creative story where the event that took place really WAS the cause of aliens, and now they have returned to invade earth, with the city of Los Angeles being the steppingstone battleground to their campaign. Whereas with Independence Day, it only made passing mentions of past alien spacecraft sightings throughout history before the main invasion begins, but they never really dove into greater detail behind the reasons why in that film. And besides, this movie looks really interesting since (from what I have seen in the trailers) the aliens apparently will not always be in massive spaceships blasting the shit out of buildings, or using sneaky mind control tactics to assimilate humans, they will actually be on the ground, with weapons of their own, engaging in modern combat scenarios with a human army, and that is something (at least to my knowledge, but I could be wrong) that hasn't been (if ever) done in an alien invasion film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 08:54, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapons + thoughts ==
M9/Beretta 92 used in end battle by Aaron Eckart's character and someone else

M240 may have been on the LAV, too dark to see it clearly.

M2 on the Humvee

Unidentified mortar in the background early on, probably 81mm.

Round frag grenades (M67? M61?)

Smoke grenades (M18?)

I personaly thought that the movie was exhalent, good tactics on both sides.
Dont belive Roger Ebert's idioitic review. Seriously, go see the movie.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 17:16, 12 March 2011 (MSK)

:Well, the problem is that alot of people (being the gullible sheep that some people are) will listen to what the professional movie critics will say about movies like this, and just flat out dismiss it like they do (Even though there are some exceptions like when all the crazed fans of The Dark Knight sent death threats to the professional critics for giving that film anything less than 5 stars or A+ back in 2008... ridiculous huh?). And of course there is an even bigger majority of people who refuse to throw reality out the window these days and would rather nit-pick movies like this one to death for being "unrealistic" or whatever other bullshit arguments they bring up (Especially with movies like Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull for it's "unrealistic" refrigerator nuke scene, God... the arguments on that scene were so fucking ridiculous, even more ridiculous than the "Han Solo shot first!" argument). But really, I saw Battle: LA for myself, and I agree, it is a great alien invasion movie, and it also has done something that has never been seen in a major-budget blockbuster alien invasion film from years gone by (at least to my knowledge), and besides, pretty much ALL the actors in this film actually went through boot camp training so that way they look picture-perfect playing the U.S. Marine characters that they portray in the film. So rather than people blindly agreeing with what the professional critics are saying, I say go see this film for yourself and judge it for yourself. Maybe moviegoers might like this movie, and maybe they might not, but it's still a damn good film nevertheless. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 04:15, 15 March 2011 (CDT)

Anyone see what the corpsman's sidearm was? He never draw the weapon and it's kind of dark to see when I saw the weapon in the holster. I think it might be a SIG, which would make sense since Navy does issue M11/P228s. Can't be sure though.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 15:36, 13 March 2011 (MSK)

I just got back from seeing the film, and I REALLY want to say it's an MEU SOC. Hopefully somebody can clarify this for me. Also, was it me, or were the M16A4s seeming like they were going full auto? :P -Kangabox

I paid special attention to the gear details of this movie when I saw it a few hours ago, and I did notice a few moments when the M16s fired on fully automatic (when Hectair's father used one for example) but through most of the
film I noted the soldiers were useing their weapons on semi-automatic, just as they damn should be, but every other
movie has ignored this to my knowledge. So either this was simply a little hollywood hickup in the movie or its
assumed that M16A5s are being used (S-S-B-A M16s proposed by some firearms company that escapes my mind right now) by the USMC by the time the invasion happens. On a very possitive note I saw that the marines were all wearing MICH
helmets rather than PSGAT (marines have a different name for it) ones and the aformentioned laser designators as well as uniforms (patterns, gloves, body armour etc.) makes me think they had military reference on sight for the making of, because this movie was totally a PR thing for the USMC like transformers or stargate was for the airforce. Only three things that I actually didn't like were:
- the AT4 having a lock on tone (damn you call of duty!).
- the laser designator having a visable beam and them not simply useing the designators on their rifles.
- and finally; why didn't the aliens just drop a small nuclear weapon on every major military base from orbit and make us helpless as an opening strike? Because then there wouldn't be a movie, so I can ignore that one haha.
Anon has spoken, this movie is epic.

:I think the auto firing M16 could be the sound crew's fault too, just like how they added the lock on tone. I watched the movie again, Santos was actually aiming the AT4 at the drone's flight path, the the rocket travelled in a straight line rather than chasing after the drone like they did in the Stargate series. Also, PEQ lasers on the rifles cannot be use to paint target for missiles/LGBs, it can only illuminate the target for pilots and the pilots would need to target the weapons themselves. Most FACs and JTACs do use big ass laser designators like the ones in the movie (usually mounted on tripod).--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 03:15, 20 March 2011 (CDT)

:Speaking of sound crews, don't forget about that awkward sound the SAW made when we first saw it being fired. Sounded more like stock gunfire sounds coming from an M60. Also from a more technical standpoint, I saw esentially all the Marines wearing MARPATs with the standard BDU-style cut, but if we're assuming that this film takes place in the near future, shouldn't we see at least a few of the grunts wearing the newer FROG suits? Just a thought. -Kangabox

I don't think Lenihan is adjusting the knobs on his ACOG in the picture that is up. Looks like his fingers aren't near the knobs, he's probably wiping the lense.

:That actually make sense since he just got covered with laundry detergent. Once again, the sound crew messed up!--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 13:53, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

Even though i'm just reiterating everyone's point, i feel obligated to say it (or rather type it). This was a damn good movie, i know my opinion doesn't really mean a damn thing as i'm not a famous movie critic, but goddamn can this guy make a movie. The action part just as good as movies like Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down, which he says were his inspiration for it. It somehow captured the drama well without coming off as a poorly acted hacky pg-13 POS where the good guy just acts manly and goes "GODDAMMIT! I CANT LEAVE YOU!" and all that other horseshit dialogue that bad movies use. It also had something very unique and appreciated, an Alien force that acted like an actual military. If if they might have been conscripts (implied through the dialogue mentioning the alien weapon fused to the alien's arm) they still fought like trained combatants, and didn't just march forward slowly firing from the hip. They took cover, there were scenes when alien medics dragged comrades to safety, there were officers issuing orders, and aliens giving covering fire before advancing. And the director had the good sense to use a lot of particle effects instead of just 3D. 3D may look good in theaters, but when its not it comes off as the most hokey youtube 5 min edit job, turning a good movie into shit. And also surprisingly good acting, sure it wasn't Nicholson from CucKoo's Nest, but for an action flick it had some great dialogue in it. The actors training was also top-notch, they had the dedication to go to real bootcamp and learn how to properly portray themselves as highly trained U.S. Marines, it looked like even the extras playing the Army soldiers had perfect form and weapons handling. And from what the director says Aaron Eckhart broke his arm but continued filming/training. All in all- Great Movie. And if the critics don't agree- Fuck Em', this was a good movie, and i hope this review will inspire more people to go and see it.--[[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 2:20, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

One of my favourite moments in the film was when Aaron Eckhart's character ended up shouting "NOT AGAIN!" to the Lieutenant. It really made you think about how real this character is coming across. People were talking behind his back saying how he got all his people killed but he was dealing with some heavy guilt over the situation. Also, damn Brian Tyler did an amazing job with the score. One of the best film scores of the year for me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:35, 3 July 2011 (CDT)

I enjoyed it too. It doesn't default to the "they're aliens so nothing they do has to make sense" cliche (say, the aliens in ''Signs'' jumping around on roofs for absolutely no discernable reason), and neither are the aliens so ridiculously superior to us that it's obvious we'll never defeat them without something totally stupid happening (one of the issues I had with ''Independence Day'' is it was obvious about halfway through that the only way the good guys would win would be to cheat somehow). I rather like the way the aliens act like actual soldiers, ducking and hesistating and generally moving like they don't enjoy the prospect of dying, and I get the strong idea from their equipment that they're used to fighting wars their way and are finding out the hard way that it isn't all as effective as it was back home. I imagine the idea of the surgically grafted weapons is to ensure that they can't possibly surrender because they can't be disarmed or disarm themselves; I've heard the filmmakers said they're soldiers of some hideous fascist alien government, so I'd assume that government would take steps like that to make sure there wasn't any kind of communication between them and the natives that could jeopardise the mission to kill all of them. Unlike the terminally stupid videogame, the only really silly thing I've noticed is Eckhart's uniform keeps washing itself, and the movie aliens look way better than the zombie scarecrow robots in the game. I guess some people tend to be too cynical to just accept a story about soldiers (well, Marines in this case, I know the USMC don't like being called soldiers) as good people trying to do their best and make a difference in a hard situation. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:24, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== gloves ==

the gloves that SSgt Nantz use throughout the film, anyone know what they are or who makes them? im looking to purchase a pair

Blackhawk if you check their website I'm sure you will spot them , I read it on the website who supplied the movie, don't remember the model though.

The model of the gloves are Blackhawk Nomex Fury Commando Gloves ($70.99)

==C4==
I'm pretty sure that they were using C4s in the movie. That one 2nd Lieutenant killed himself with it and they attempted killing the aliens at one point with them. Just saying. That and I believe that there was one scene where the lady was using a shotgun. It was the scene where the alien landed on the car and she shot it with the shotgun and then some alien blood splattered all over her face lol.

Yes, they were using C4 and the officer blew himself and a bunch od aliens up with it. Michele Rodreigez's character (Sgt. Santos) didn't have a shotgun, she was still using her M4A1.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 09:07, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

:I'll have to check the lettering, obviously it's not real C4 but they could be imitations of M112 "Charge, Demolition" blocks and if so we can use that image I have to ID them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:31, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:M112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M112 demolition charge]]

=="Elena" Santos==

I just changed the poor womans name to Elena (which is the characters correct name) instead of Adriana. Where did Adriana come from?

:The film was a big hit at Comic-Con when they previewed it there. I vaguely remember her name being given as ''Adriana'' rather than Elena. But I could be wrong, so take that with a grain of sand. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:56, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== There's a game ==

I played it through. It's...Well, awful. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:27, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

Hey, at least it beats E.T. on the Atari XD -Kangabox

== M240 ==
This screenshot is lumped in under the M240D entry.
[[Image:BLA 050.jpg‎|thumb|600px||none|An LAV gunner mans the M240.]]
And being that it's an M240''G'' rather than a D, shouldn't it be under its own entry? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:58, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
:In fact, if you look at the screenshot in full resolution, you can see there's a heat shield on the barrel, which would make it an M240''B''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:01, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== Battle of Los Angeles ==
I put a mention of the film's inspiration and link to the Wikipedia article for the Battle of LA at the top of the page beneath the film summary. It may not be totally relevant to the guns used in the movie, but I feel it worth mentioning that the film was inspired by a historic event. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:56, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

Good idea. Some people tend to forget that this website isn't just about guns but about the films as well. I think it would be cool if there were reviews of the various films and TV shows on here. I don't mind writing a few reviews if they are wanted. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:39, 3 July 2011 (CDT)

== Notes as I watch for others / self: ==

Mark 19 grenade launcher at 15:47 on an AAVP7A1 on television.

Plenty of USMC Cobras flitting around, have to check if there's a clear shot of an M197.

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, and I think it might be worth repeating from the game article that they're showing Copperhead guided artillery rounds as missiles with exhaust flares and smoke trails, and they call them missiles a couple of times. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:34, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

::The missiles that was fired looked to big to be a 155mm artillery shell (looks kind of like an ATACMS), not to mention it flew sraight. It might just be the Marines/script writers mis-used the term Copperhead for the laser guided missiles in the movie. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:03, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Yeah, but this is one of the few things the videogame and the movie both agree on; they're supposed to be M712 Copperhead rounds (movie uses Copperhead, game goes so far as to call them "em-seven-twelve" when they're calling for support). They're just incorrectly shown as weird do-everything missiles rather than guided arty rounds. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[File:BLA 047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine passes out the M16A4 at Camp Pendleton.]]

[[Image:BLA 081.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Another shot of Joe Rincon with his newly acquired M16A4.]]

[[Image:BLA 17.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Several other U.S. Marines provide overwatch with their M16A4's.]]
[[File:BLA 281.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the M16A4 held by the California National Guard soldiers.]]
[[Image:Battle_los_angeles3.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Cpl. Harris and PFC Lenihan are seen armed with M16A4's as they're surprised by an alien soldier jumping out of a swimming pool.]]
[[Image:BLA 18.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Private First Class Lenihan ([[Noel Fisher]]) nervously holds his M16A4 at the ready as an alien soldier approaches from behind him.]]

[[File:BLA 057.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC Lenihan nervously cleans off the ACOG scope.]]

== M4A1 with bayonets ==

In the final battle scene, marines were seen having hand-to-hand combat with aliens using M4A1 with bayonet attached. I am wondering if M4A1 are meant suitable to go with the bayonets because Ive also seen a lot montage on US Rangers/Marines storming into and clearing rooms in Afangistan, Iraq etc and they did not have bayonets attached despite expecting enemies at point-blank range. So the point Im trying to put across is that is it a movie effect, or US Army did have a training on this. And is M4A1 suitable to be attach with bayonets despite that it is heavily attached with scopes, handles etc?

As far as I know standard M4A1 rifles have bayonet lugs. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

:The M4 carbine can take both the M9 and OKC-3S bayonets. The US Army doesn't do very much bayonet training any more (USMC still does though), due to the fact that the last time there was a bayonet assault was during Korea. I imagine the reason they aren't used for house clearing is the fact that when a bunch of guys are bursting through a door one behind the other, the last thing you want is for them to have knives on the end of their rifles. Bayonets also mess up the barrel harmonics, making the rifle less accurate. Only time I'm aware of bayonets being used in recent times was in an incident where a British Army convoy was ambushed outside of Basra, ran short on ammunition and bayonet charged the enemy position. This were pretty exceptional circumstances though. I haven't seen the movie, but if the soldier were short on ammunition then it is justifiable. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:22, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

:They were severely outnumbered, outgunned, and very nearly overran. Considering those circumstances, it would make sense for some to mount bayonets ''just in case''. But my question is, is it correct that Santos has an OKC-3S? She's Air Force and I thought the OKC-3S was unique to the Marines? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:31, 24 November 2011 (CST)
::The Marine she was with could have given her his bayonet, he doesn't attach one to his rifle if I remember correctly. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 02:12, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::No, he has his attached, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:45, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::They're a small, outnumbered force trapped behind enemy lines. They're definitely going to be scrounging to get extra supplies, gear, ammo, etc. Heck, they even show them scrounging stuff in the store and at the abandoned airbase. It's quite possible that she took the OKC-3S bayonet off of a dead Marine as she was looking for additional ammo, etc. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 08:31, 29 November 2011 (CST)

== Sneaky M249 Para ==
It can briefly be spotted in the opening scene within the 1 minute mark as the Marines are rushing toward the helicopters.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Mobile%20Uploads/1128111253.jpg

I took it on my phone (best I can do until I get my hands on the blu-ray come Christmas). Should I go ahead and upload it as a temporary cap or does someone with the blu-ray want to handle this? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:03, 28 November 2011 (CST)

I don't think it's a Para. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 15:30, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:BLA 1003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:BLA 1004.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:BLA 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I think that that gun has the M249E1 tubular steel stock, Para barrel and M249E2 handguard, so is a bit of a mix. I think it is a match for the one pictured below, which was described where I found it as the "Minimi PIP", but am fairly sure that is wrong as one of the things in the PIP was the synthetic stock with the buffer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:40, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[File:Minimi unknown variant.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Minimi with short barrel - 5.56x45mm]]

::It's hard to tell the difference between stocks since the buttpad area looks vaguely similar on them and it's all we see of this one, but the above pic seems to me like a good compromise in this case. There appears to be a second M249 with the new style M4-ish collapsible stock on the left edge of the third screencap above, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:06, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::I think it is the original metal one, as if it were the plastic one the bottom of the stock would go straight forward from he bottom of the butt plate, whereas on this gun it appears to slope upwards. The butt plates themselves are essentially the same though, so is very hard to tell. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:34, 28 November 2011 (CST)

Talk:Ronin

2011-11-17T02:31:19Z

Travestytrav: /* Spence's Gun */

In the ambush scene, the Kalashnikov looks like an AK pistol of some sort, but full-auto.
Either that or the guy removed the flash hider dohicky.

== Unknown Rocket Launcher ==
Sam takes out a convoy car with a type of LAW (Light Anti-Tank Weapon) he fires from his sunroof. The make and type is unknown, although it looks similar to an [[M72 LAW]] but it isn't. The body is too thick and it has an optical sight separate from the pop up sights of the LAW style launcher. Also the firing control button is completely unknown. It is probably a mockup fabrication, based on the LAW rocket design.

It is quite possibly an RPG18, a Russian knock off of the LAW, or mocked up to be one. There are other LAW knock offs in the RPG series.
[[Image:Ronin Rocket 01a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sam uses an optical sight like an RPG attached to a LAW style rocket launcher from the sunroof of his Mercedes]]
[[Image:Ronin Rocket 02A.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Chasing after the car with a launcher based on the LAW rocket.]]
[[Image:Ronin Rocketa.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup Detail of the launch button.]]

Sorry, It is not RPG-18, nor RPG-26 - both has completly different front sight.
:Moved from main page.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible the rocket launcher is the French SARPAC? [http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/hybenamon/LAND/INFANTRY/M72%20LAW/SARPAC.jpg]
Wikipedia Entry: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarpac]--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:05, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

== Heckler & Koch Rifle ==
In the image below you can see one of the SWAT guys has a Heckler & Koch rifle, either a G3 variant or a possible CETME Rifle

[[Image:Ronin8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|It's the SWAT officer in the middle.]]

==Taurus PT92 used Germans or Russians?==
Two German spies are armed with the [[Taurus PT92]] during the stadium scene. These are noted as Taurus PT92's by the lack of slide mounted safety and squared trigger guard.
[[Image:TaurusPT92EarlyModel.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT92AF]]
[[Image:Ronin-Beretta-92.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A German spy with a Taurus PT92.]]
[[Image:RN-BER92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another with a Taurus PT92 also.]]

How do you know they are German? I thought Gregor was negotiating with the Russians. Why aren't they Russian mercs? How did you find out they were German?
:Beats me. They were listed as Germans when I started working on the page. Also don't put comments on the main page. Use the discussion page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Vincent describes Gregor as "German, ex-KGB" to the old man who helps them when Sam is wounded. There's no reason to think that the other bad guys are Germans except that they've clearly associated with Gregor before--but they could just as easily, and indeed probably are, Russians.

well the KGB was used by the soviet union, . i think there russians not german . simmons 8492

They could have been East German during the Cold War. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 23:45, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Organizing ==

I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:41, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Correction ==
I made some corrections to the main page:
* The Beretta 92FS Inox was listed as "Beretta Inox" only
* I removed the "M" from "Beretta M93R" because there is no such thing only in Modern Warfare 2
[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 20:24, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

==Spence's Gun==

Spence's pistol that is taken by Sam when he ambushes him with the coffee looks like a two tone Sig Sauer [[Special:Contributions/88.111.101.90|88.111.101.90]] 19:29, 23 March 2011 (CDT)

[[File:Ronin_spence.jpg|thumb|none|640px|Sam reaching the Spence's gun]]

:I really can't tell if this is a P229, but I would guess not. The factory two-tone P229 available in those days had nickel controls (though it could also be a blued 229 with an after-market nickel finish on the slide). But I would guess that this is more likely to be the P239 that is also used by Seamus. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:32, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::I think it is a P229, you can see the diagonal step in the frame above the trigger of the double stack pistols, which the P239 doesn't have. Isn't that clear though so might be wrong. Anyone have the bluray? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:32, 16 November 2011 (CST)
::I tend to agree with Commando. I think it's a P229 as well. I think that diagonal line on the frame IS the step for the widened part of the frame for the double stack magazines. The P239 definitely has no visible lines on the right side of the frame. Also, the P229 has a longer, slightly more prominent hammer spur like the one seen in the pic, whereas the P239 has a considerably shorter, more low-profile hammer spur. And that looks like a stainless steel finish rather than nickle-plated, which have been available on most SIG pistols for many years including both the P229 and P239. A good determining factor would be a better view of the trigger guard as they have slightly different shapes on the P229 vis the P239, but that part may be tucked too far into the trousers to see on any pic. --[[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 20:31, 16 November 2011 (CST)

Talk:Ronin

2011-11-17T02:28:20Z

Travestytrav: /* Spence's Gun */

Talk:Hawaii Five-0 (2010) - Season 2

2011-11-16T22:30:01Z

Travestytrav: /* You sure about that M4? */

== Fryer's Glock ==

the page has HPD Captain Vince Fryers Glock registered as a G17. i believe that the bore looks a bit to big to be a 9mm. any thoughts [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 18:02, 19 October 2011 (CDT)

That bore is definitely not 9mm. I remember thinking that it wasn't a 9mm when I saw the episode. Way too big. Possibly a .45 ACP or even a 10mm. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:13, 19 October 2011 (CDT)

:Agreed. Still not sure where the Glock 20 comes in. The description says from episode 14, which is season 1.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 20:26, 19 October 2011 (CDT)

There's been a certain user who's been posting guns that only gave a very vague description and the episode where it appears has been misidentified. So I'm going to delete it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:14, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

Is a seperate page for Season 2 really necessary? Just saying.

I don't think it is at this stage to be honest. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:23, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

Take a look at how many different weapons have already been identified for Season 2. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:20, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

I counted about 9 that weren't on the season 1 page already. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 08:41, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

:A few points to bear in mind on the splitting issue:
:# By splitting it up into seasons you can have more screenshots to better represent which characters use which guns in particular episodes (site guideline is only 10 images of the same gun per page).
:# From the type of show this is and based on series one, there will be more guns showing up. You say there are only 9 unique guns, but that is after only 5 episodes out of 24 (assuming they get a full pick up).
:# Take it from someone who had to split up a page after it was already completed, it is MUCH easier to do this now rather than later.
:--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:07, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

I suppose I get your point. It does need a few more screenshots I think though as it looks rather bare still. One of Joe with the P226 E2 would be a good one if there's a clear enough shot as it says that he uses one at the end of the season 2 opening episode. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:14, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

Joe is never seen in closeup with the SIG in that episode. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:46, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== You sure about that M4? ==

[[Image:H50S2 26.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Vitor noveske.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
I know McGarrett uses his HK416 alot, but I know this ain't it. Lori has the M4. I think McGarrett is actually using the Dipolmat here. It's got a very distinctive barrel. Can I get a second opinion? - [[User:Thomas|Thomas]] 07:35, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

If you look at the trigger guard it's got the curved one of a Magpul style AR trigger guard so that doesn't look that the Diplomat pictured as that one has the standard straight trigger guard. The rail is different as well, on the Diplomat it is a part of the actual body but on the gun pictured it looks like it has some sort of locking nut connecting it to the body. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 08:30, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

:Definitely a Noveske diplomat, the forward assist is very distinctive as is the flash-hider (can make out the 3 lines of text and the logo the same vague shape as the Noveske one). I can't see a locking nut although it isn't very clear, and from the rail it looks monolithic. There are two different Diplomats, the monolithic ones that uses the Vltor VIS upper (pictured), and another that uses the Vltor MUR and a separate free float handguard. This second version has long slots in the RIS system rather than the circular holes that this one has though, which watch the VIS version. Not sure if it is actually a Noveske purchased rifle though, as the forward assist has the Vltor logo rather than the Noveske logo, so may have just been a custom build that matches the Diplomat. This part is modular though so could just be a replacement. The lower receiver isn't a Noveske one (either the original M4 pattern one or the improved second generation one that they currently use with the flared magazine well) but I would imagine that armourers would only buy uppers and fit them into full auto lowers (3 fire selector settings visible on this gun) as opposed to the semi only Noveske lowers. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:45, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

Also, don't think the Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine is correct. Firstly it has a flat top so would be an AR-15A3, but also looks to have an M4 profile 14.5" barrel, so think it is simply and M4. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:35, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

I just looked a little closer and what I thought was the locking nut is actually a part of the chamber. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:15, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
: Added it to the Diplomat gun page, though I'm not sure what kind of scopes McGarrett got besides red dot, especially the green one. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:54, 21 October 2011 (CDT)
::The other scope is a red dot magnifier --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:09, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:::LOL. And if you look at the red dot scope and the magnifier, the magnifier doesn't line up properly with the red dot scope, which would make it impossible for the shooter to get a proper sight picture. The magnifier is an EOTech 3X magnifier and only lines up properly with EOTech red dot sights. --[[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 16:30, 16 November 2011 (CST)

== Kono's Gun in Episode 1 ==

Kono used this gun in episode 1 of Season 2. Please help ID. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

[[File:H50S2 105.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Appears to be a .45]]
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[[File:H50S2 107.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like some sort of Commander length 1911 variant. It's got a ring style hammer and a beavertail grip safety as well. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 08:39, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

The flat sight rib on this gun is throwing me a bit. I think there was a version of the 1911 that was made in the mid 90s called the Mk. IV "Enhanced" which was available for all version of the 1911 including the Commander. This featured diagonal slide serrations (which I ''think'' this gun has but is hard to tell), a skeleton hammer, extended grip safety and a flattop sight rib along the slide. Can't find a good picture of one to confirm though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:07, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

The thing with 1911s, which makes them hard to identify, is that it could be a franken-gun of loads of different parts from different companies. There is something not right about the shape of it as well. I can't put my finger on it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:10, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

Only good view of the MK IV Enhanced I can find is in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt9uDXEX5m0 this video]. I haven't seen the episode (am still watching Season 1) so am just going by the screen shots, but it looks as if the gun in the show also has the downturned beavertail that the Enhanced model has. It could be a franken-gun as you say, but the hard to identify part (as far as I'm concerned, someone else might know what it is for sure) is the ribbed flattop slide, which seems to only be found on MK IV Enhanced pistols, or on some Colt Gold Cup National Match pistols, which this isn't. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:57, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

:As Commando has said, I would say it's a Series 80 Enhanced Commander too. Since it has the flat top slide and basic three dot sights. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 12:45, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:ColtEn80Commanderleft.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
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== McGarrett's gun in episode 6 ==

When McGarrett and Danno go to the gym the pistol in McGarrett's holster looks to have the bigger SIG Sauer grips rather than the slimmer ones of the E2 that he normally carries. Did anyone else notice that or is it just me? --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:04, 25 October 2011 (CDT)

When they were arresting Kono, it looked like his P226 had the little anchor emblem. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 12:28, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:Hawaii.Five-0-001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

That is the P226 Navy, which SIG still sells with the standard grips, so that it matches the ones the SEALs use. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:04, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:P226 Navy.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 Navy - 9x19mm]]

Looks like a short trigger, or is that how they come?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:58, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
:This particular Navy has an SRT as it is the current model. I think this is now the standard trigger for all P220, P226 and P229 pistols from 2011 onwards, although there are still a few variants (such as the Nitron coated stainless steel) that SIG still lists as having the standard trigger. The one in the screencap looks like it has an SRT though so is this years model. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:22, 25 October 2011 (CDT)

Looks like he ditched the SIG brand weaponlight. Anyone know what type of light he has now?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:56, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
:Think it is a [http://www.surefire.com/X300-LED-WeaponLight Surefire X300]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:21, 25 October 2011 (CDT)

== McGarrett's Holster ==

Does anyone know the model of paddle holster that McGarrett uses? It looks like it is made of kydex and fits his weaponlight.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:35, 6 November 2011 (CST)

I think it's a Blackhawk SERPA. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:38, 6 November 2011 (CST)

No, there is no disengage latch. BTW I am talking about the one he uses normally, not the vest-mounted or drop-leg.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:49, 6 November 2011 (CST)

:A picture. http://hawaiifive0online.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/ew6may2011_h50.jpg --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:28, 6 November 2011 (CST)

Its a Blade Tech Weapon & Tactical light holster with Paddle. http://www.blade-tech.com/Weapon-Tactical-Light-Holster-w-Paddle-pr-967.html

:It also appears that instead of using a Blackhawk SERPA Tactical holster, he has his Blade-Tech mounted onto a Blackhawk STRIKE carrier. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 08:28, 16 November 2011 (CST)

=== McGarret's Vest ===

I noticed McGarret is wearing a different tac vest in this season. A solid front type. Is this a CIRAS vest or just a generic plate carrier? --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 22:14, 9 November 2011 (CST)

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==End of the series==
I'm so sad that it was cancelled it was good and fun too see this type of show again.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 00:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sad to see it end too, however I don't think that they could have ended it better. Definitely the best series finale I've seen in a long time. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 03:52, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Agreed. I just hope that Fox or whoever is in charge of this sort of thing releases it on DVD. I would LOVE to have it, plus there are many more guns that need to be accounted for and screencapped ;)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 09:57, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Definitely. It needs a DVD release. A movie would be awesome too :D --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:40, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

== Makarov PM ==

I was wondering of all the choices why use a Makarov PM as Lt. Ruiz's gun this seems like a very odd choice for a cop and I highly doubt its standard issue for Dallas PD

== Unidentified Shotgun ==

This is listed as Winchester 1912 shotgun, but not sure. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:33, 26 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:TGG 2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's a Remington Model 29 based on the barrel-to-magazine tube attachment and the shape of the forward part of the receiver. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 02:02, 14 November 2011 (CST)

== SIG P226 or Not? ==

In the episode "The Dim Knight", it is stated that Mr. Chen carries 2 SIG P226s, however, I noticed in one scene that he was holding a SIG that most definitely did not have the characteristic wider rear portion of the frame around the grip area to accomodate the double-stack magazine well that marks SIG P226s. It was definitely the flat-sided frame that marks it as a SIG P220. It could have also been the older P225, but it looked like a full-size frame rather than a compact, and it didn't have the oversize trigger guard that P225s have. The magazine also didn't appear to have the extended bump pad that protrudes below the base of pistol grip that modern P220 magazines have, but it could have been an older magazine, or it could have been one of the older P220s chambered in 9mm or a caliber other than .45 ACP. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]]

The bore of the SIGs in the picture with Mr. Chen appear to be .45s when you look closely so they could be P220s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:42, 12 November 2011 (CST)

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==End of the series==
I'm so sad that it was cancelled it was good and fun too see this type of show again.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 00:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sad to see it end too, however I don't think that they could have ended it better. Definitely the best series finale I've seen in a long time. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 03:52, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Agreed. I just hope that Fox or whoever is in charge of this sort of thing releases it on DVD. I would LOVE to have it, plus there are many more guns that need to be accounted for and screencapped ;)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 09:57, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Definitely. It needs a DVD release. A movie would be awesome too :D --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:40, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

== Makarov PM ==

I was wondering of all the choices why use a Makarov PM as Lt. Ruiz's gun this seems like a very odd choice for a cop and I highly doubt its standard issue for Dallas PD

== Unidentified Shotgun ==

This is listed as Winchester 1912 shotgun, but not sure. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:33, 26 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:TGG 2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's a Remington Model 29 based on the barrel-to-magazine tube attachment and the shape of the forward part of the receiver. [[User:Travestytrav|Travestytrav]] 02:02, 14 November 2011 (CST)

== SIG P226 or Not? ==

In the episode "The Dim Knight", it is stated that Mr. Chen carries 2 SIG P226s, however, I noticed in one scene that he was holding a SIG that most definitely did not have the characteristic wider rear portion of the frame around the grip area to accomodate the double-stack magazine well that marks SIG P226s. It was definitely the flat-sided frame that marks it as a SIG P220. It could have also been the older P225, but it looked like a full-size frame rather than a compact, and it didn't have the oversize trigger guard that P225s have. The magazine also didn't appear to have the extended bump pad that protrudes below the base of pistol grip that modern P220 magazines have, but it could have been an older magazine, or it could have been one of the older P220s chambered in 9mm or a caliber other than .45 ACP. 02:01, 14 November 2011 (CST)

The bore of the SIGs in the picture with Mr. Chen appear to be .45s when you look closely so they could be P220s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:42, 12 November 2011 (CST)

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Travestytrav:

==End of the series==
I'm so sad that it was cancelled it was good and fun too see this type of show again.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 00:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sad to see it end too, however I don't think that they could have ended it better. Definitely the best series finale I've seen in a long time. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 03:52, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Agreed. I just hope that Fox or whoever is in charge of this sort of thing releases it on DVD. I would LOVE to have it, plus there are many more guns that need to be accounted for and screencapped ;)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 09:57, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Definitely. It needs a DVD release. A movie would be awesome too :D --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:40, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

== Makarov PM ==

I was wondering of all the choices why use a Makarov PM as Lt. Ruiz's gun this seems like a very odd choice for a cop and I highly doubt its standard issue for Dallas PD

== Unidentified Shotgun ==

This is listed as Winchester 1912 shotgun, but not sure. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:33, 26 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:TGG 2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's a Remington Model 29 based on the barrel-to-magazine tube attachment and the shape of the forward part of the receiver. 02:01, 14 November 2011 (CST)

== SIG P226 or Not? ==

In the episode "The Dim Knight", it is stated that Mr. Chen carries 2 SIG P226s, however, I noticed in one scene that he was holding a SIG that most definitely did not have the characteristic wider rear portion of the frame around the grip area to accomodate the double-stack magazine well that marks SIG P226s. It was definitely the flat-sided frame that marks it as a SIG P220. It could have also been the older P225, but it looked like a full-size frame rather than a compact, and it didn't have the oversize trigger guard that P225s have. The magazine also didn't appear to have the extended bump pad that protrudes below the base of pistol grip that modern P220 magazines have, but it could have been an older magazine, or it could have been one of the older P220s chambered in 9mm or a caliber other than .45 ACP. 02:01, 14 November 2011 (CST)

The bore of the SIGs in the picture with Mr. Chen appear to be .45s when you look closely so they could be P220s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:42, 12 November 2011 (CST)

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Travestytrav: /* Unidentified Shotgun */

==End of the series==
I'm so sad that it was cancelled it was good and fun too see this type of show again.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 00:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sad to see it end too, however I don't think that they could have ended it better. Definitely the best series finale I've seen in a long time. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 03:52, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Agreed. I just hope that Fox or whoever is in charge of this sort of thing releases it on DVD. I would LOVE to have it, plus there are many more guns that need to be accounted for and screencapped ;)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 09:57, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Definitely. It needs a DVD release. A movie would be awesome too :D --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:40, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

== Makarov PM ==

I was wondering of all the choices why use a Makarov PM as Lt. Ruiz's gun this seems like a very odd choice for a cop and I highly doubt its standard issue for Dallas PD

== Unidentified Shotgun ==

This is listed as Winchester 1912 shotgun, but not sure. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:33, 26 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:TGG 2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's a Remington Model 29 based on the barrel-to-magazine tube attachment and the shape of the forward part of the receiver.

== SIG P226 or Not? ==

In the episode "The Dim Knight", it is stated that Mr. Chen carries 2 SIG P226s, however, I noticed in one scene that he was holding a SIG that most definitely did not have the characteristic wider rear portion of the frame around the grip area to accomodate the double-stack magazine well that marks SIG P226s. It was definitely the flat-sided frame that marks it as a SIG P220. It could have also been the older P225, but it looked like a full-size frame rather than a compact, and it didn't have the oversize trigger guard that P225s have. The magazine also didn't appear to have the extended bump pad that protrudes below the base of pistol grip that modern P220 magazines have, but it could have been an older magazine, or it could have been one of the older P220s chambered in 9mm or a caliber other than .45 ACP.

The bore of the SIGs in the picture with Mr. Chen appear to be .45s when you look closely so they could be P220s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:42, 12 November 2011 (CST)

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Travestytrav: /* SIG P226 or Not? */ new section

==End of the series==
I'm so sad that it was cancelled it was good and fun too see this type of show again.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 00:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sad to see it end too, however I don't think that they could have ended it better. Definitely the best series finale I've seen in a long time. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 03:52, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Agreed. I just hope that Fox or whoever is in charge of this sort of thing releases it on DVD. I would LOVE to have it, plus there are many more guns that need to be accounted for and screencapped ;)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 09:57, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Definitely. It needs a DVD release. A movie would be awesome too :D --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:40, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

== Makarov PM ==

I was wondering of all the choices why use a Makarov PM as Lt. Ruiz's gun this seems like a very odd choice for a cop and I highly doubt its standard issue for Dallas PD

== Unidentified Shotgun ==

This is listed as Winchester 1912 shotgun, but not sure. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:33, 26 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:TGG 2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== SIG P226 or Not? ==

In the episode "The Dim Knight", it is stated that Mr. Chen carries 2 SIG P226s, however, I noticed in one scene that he was holding a SIG that most definitely did not have the characteristic wider rear portion of the frame around the grip area to accomodate the double-stack magazine well that marks SIG P226s. It was definitely the flat-sided frame that marks it as a SIG P220. It could have also been the older P225, but it looked like a full-size frame rather than a compact, and it didn't have the oversize trigger guard that P225s have. The magazine also didn't appear to have the extended bump pad that protrudes below the base of pistol grip that modern P220 magazines have, but it could have been an older magazine, or it could have been one of the older P220s chambered in 9mm or a caliber other than .45 ACP.