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Talk:Pancor Jackhammer

2021-04-08T21:40:29Z

Tibfulv: Added the Forgotten Weapons info.

If there have been two of these shotguns made, where are they?
Have they been scrapped?
Because if they're in some collection or museum, maybe it would be possible to get a better photo.--[[User:Maxmali|Maxmali]] ([[User talk:Maxmali|talk]]) 11:51, 1 August 2014 (EDT)

: They were apparently tested to destruction. Forgotten Weapons have a video on the weapon.
: [[User:Tibfulv|Tibfulv]] ([[User talk:Tibfulv|talk]]) 17:40, 8 April 2021 (EDT)

Why is fallout 3 on this page? [[Special:Contributions/193.1.104.2|193.1.104.2]] 18:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Dunno, but don't worry, it's gone now [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== No Escape ==

A long time ago the page stated the weapon to appear in the 1994 film "No Escape", used by Ray Liotta. Was the fictional weapon in this film based on it or something? (if yes, probably on [http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/File:Pancorjackhammer.jpg this MK3A2 variant]) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:27, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
:That looks like some kind of pump-action background prop, it doesn't have the hooked charging handle or a trigger and the forend seems to be fixed to the barrel. [http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/jackhammer_diagram.jpg Compare], that mechanism wouldn't fit in the thing you posted. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:12, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
::I think that the image you posted is actually the prop weapon from "No Escape", and is just a prop weapon based on the Pancor rather than actually being anything real. Not only does this have differences from a real Pancor, it would be physically impossible for it to work anyway as the axis of the barrel and the top chamber of the magazine and the bolt channel are obviously offset from one another. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:25, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
:::So this confirms that we shouldn't look again in the gun wiki lol; it doesn't appear to be quality controlled anyway. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:18, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
::::Here is this thing, in case someone is still wondering: [https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/no-escape-1994-prop-gun-ray-liotta-tactical-rifle]. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:43, 30 July 2020 (EDT)

== Video of the last Pancor Jackhammer in existence ==

Adding this source here for those wanting information on the gun.
https://www.full30.com/video/05172f0bde59d073137b3185af684664

:Interesting, though most videogame weapons seem to be based on the pre-production version, not that one. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:32, 14 January 2016 (EST)
::It sure made one hell of a clank when he pumped it. CLONK!--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:01, 14 January 2016 (EST)
: Alternative source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKGhqIl4Gw
: [[User:Tibfulv|Tibfulv]] ([[User talk:Tibfulv|talk]]) 17:40, 8 April 2021 (EDT)

Pancor Jackhammer

2021-04-06T19:43:09Z

Tibfulv: Added the prototype category.

[[File:Jackhammer.jpg‎|400px|thumb|right|Pre-production Pancor Jackhammer - proprietary 12 gauge]]
[[File:Jackhammerprototype.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Last remaining prototype Pancor Jackhammer - standard 12 gauge. Note MP5SD handguard.]]
The '''Jackhammer''' is a bullpup automatic shotgun which never entered production, using a revolver-style detachable cylinder (referred to as a "cassette") with a rotating action similar to the British [[Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver]], and a gas-seal system similar to that of the [[Nagant Revolver]], though with the barrel moving back to form the seal instead of the cylinder moving forward. A forward-back pump-action forend is used to cock the weapon initially, after which it indexes automatically. The mechanism is indexed by a cam on an operating rod attached to the barrel, which moves in a zig-zag groove to rotate the cylinder to the next chamber with each forward-back motion. The barrel is blown forward by gas tapped from the bore and returned under spring pressure.

It is often seen in videogames as a "super shotgun;" the Jackhammer's popularity is due, in large part, to the futuristic look of the weapon, and sometimes mistakenly described as the only fully automatic shotgun in existence. There is an element of unreality in featuring the Jackhammer in any context, as the weapon never made it past prototype stage; only two guns capable of firing in fully automatic mode were ever made. The real guns had problems with cassette grooves needing to be manufactured to extremely tight tolerances for the weapon to cycle correctly; typically, the full-auto guns could only manage two or three shots sequentially before failing to cycle. The weapon's design was also cumbersome and uncomfortable to shoot, and the factory-sealed ammunition cassettes of the final version could not be reloaded in the field. A well-known fact is that more Jackhammers have appeared in any given work of fiction than ever existed in real life.

One unique feature was that the ammunition cassette could be combined with an additional assembly containing an array of strikers and a pressure plate to turn it into an ersatz landmine, referred to as the "bear trap." The precise utility of this is debatable since the plate was almost as large as another cassette and the "mine" would expend ten rounds to kill one person, even if it was guaranteed someone would actually stand on it.

Two pre-production weapons were subject to full destructive testing, and just one functional Jackhammer remains in existence, a heavy toolroom prototype with a cylinder which accepts standard 12-gauge shells. This is not the final version, and among other things requires that the weapon be almost completely dismantled in order to reload it. For a time this weapon was owned by designer John Anderson; it was later sold to a movie armourer and fitted with the handguard grip of an [[MP5SD]] since the original smooth forend was thought to be too slick to reliably operate. This modification has followed to certain videogame renditions of the Jackhammer as the weapon has been used as a reference piece. The weapon is currently registered to a collector in New York.

'''The Pancor Jackhammer can be seen in the following video games:'''

==Specifications==
(Designed in 1984 and patented 1987, never produced)

* '''Type:''' Shotgun

* '''Caliber:''' 12 gauge preloaded (production), standard 12 gauge (prototype)

* '''Weight:''' 10.1 lbs (4.57 kg), about 14 pounds for toolroom prototype

* '''Length:''' 31 in (78.7 cm)

* '''Barrel length:''' 20.7 in (52.5 cm)

* '''Capacity:''' 10-Round preloaded ammunition cassette (production), 10-round revolver cylinder (prototype)

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi / Full-Auto

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===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
| ''[[Fallout 2]]'' || || || ||1998
|-
| ''[[Delta Force: Land Warrior]]'' || || || ||2000
|-
| ''[[Project IGI: I'm Going In]]'' || || ||Incorrect 12-round capacity ||2000
|-
| ''[[Max Payne (video game)|Max Payne]]'' || || || Incorrect 12-round capacity||2001
|-
| ''[[Fallout Tactics]]'' || || || ||2001
|-
| ''[[Sum of All Fears, The (VG)|The Sum Of All Fears]]'' ||12ga Auto SG || || ||2002
|-
| ''[[Project IGI 2: Covert Strike]]'' || || ||Incorrect 12-round capacity ||2003
|-
| ''[[Rainbow Six 3: Iron Wrath]]'' || || || ||2003
|-
| ''[[Söldner: Secret Wars]]'' || || || ||2004
|-
| ''[[Far Cry]]'' || || || ||2004
|-
| ''[[Battlefield 2]]'' || || ||Incorrect 7-round capacity ||2005
|-
| ''[[Deadhunt]]'' || || || ||2005
|-
| ''[[Darkness, The|The Darkness]]'' || || ||Incorrect 64-round (!) capacity ||2007
|-
|''[[Cross Fire (2007 VG)|Cross Fire]]''||"Jackhammer" ||||Pre-production model||2007
|-
| ''[[7.62 High Calibre]]'' ||Jachhammer Mk3A2 || w/ optional suppressor|| ||2008
|-
| ''[[Battlefield Play4Free]]'' ||MK3A1|| || ||2011
|-
| ''[[Battlefield 3]]'' ||MK3A1 || ||Back to Karkand expansion, <br>incorrect 8 and 12-round capacities||2011
|-
| ''[[Warface]]'' || Piledriver|| || ||2013
|-
| ''[[Ghost Recon: Phantoms]]'' ||M3A1 ||shown with railed top || ||2014
|-
| ''[[World of Guns: Gun Disassembly]]'' ||Pancor Jackhammer || || || 2014
|-
| ''[[Counter-Strike Online]]'' ||PJ Mk3A1 ||10 round mag || ||2015
|-
| ''[[Survarium]]'' || || || Version with MP5SD handguard ||2016
|-
| ''[[Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades]]'' || "Jackhammer"|| ||Version with MP5SD handguard ||2016
|-
| ''[[Ironsight]]'' || Jackhammer || || || 2018
|-
|}

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[[Category:Bullpup]]
[[Category:Revolver]]
[[Category:Prototype]]

Talk:Maadi Griffin

2017-04-21T15:47:02Z

Tibfulv: Minor fixes.

Who the hell thought a .50 BMG pistol was a good idea?

::If this has not appeared in any movie/television episode/Anime/Video game and is also VERIFIABLE then this weapon's page will be deleted. Sorry, IMFDB Rules. Just giving a heads up. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Of course, the classic Maadi Griffin is the "pistol."

[[Image:Maadipistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

I'm kinda surprised given the tendency for excess and obscurity that one of those has never turned up in a videogame. I guess it was a little late to get in on the action movie arms race of the 80s / 90s that was finally won by the .50AE Deagle more or less forever.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8927728783445897510

Joke video with a real one. Apparently Birdman's Maadi Griffin "pistol" ended up registered as an SBR. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:33, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:As for the page; the MG-6, from what I can gather, is a magazine-fed semiauto, so I don't think it's the right model for that Mythbusters episode. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:39, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:: You are correct, based on the barrel length I decided it was the Model 99. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 12:57, 4 December 2011 (CST)

::: I had another look at the barrel length, noting that the part of the barrel outside the receiver is roughly the length of the receiver. Judging by that, I'd say it's the 89, with a 36″ barrel, not the 44″-barrelled 99.
http://web.archive.org/web/19991013044906/http://maadigriffin.com:80/
--[[User:Tibfulv|Tibfulv]] ([[User talk:Tibfulv|talk]]) 10:48, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

Talk:Maadi Griffin

2017-04-21T14:48:52Z

Tibfulv: Added an educated guess based on info dug up on the internet.

Who the hell thought a .50 BMG pistol was a good idea?

::If this has not appeared in any movie/television episode/Anime/Video game and is also VERIFIABLE then this weapon's page will be deleted. Sorry, IMFDB Rules. Just giving a heads up. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Of course, the classic Maadi Griffin is the "pistol."

[[Image:Maadipistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

I'm kinda surprised given the tendency for excess and obscurity that one of those has never turned up in a videogame. I guess it was a little late to get in on the action movie arms race of the 80s / 90s that was finally won by the .50AE Deagle more or less forever.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8927728783445897510

Joke video with a real one. Apparently Birdman's Maadi Griffin "pistol" ended up registered as an SBR. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:33, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:As for the page; the MG-6, from what I can gather, is a magazine-fed semiauto, so I don't think it's the right model for that Mythbusters episode. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:39, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:: You are correct, based on the barrel length I decided it was the Model 99. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 12:57, 4 December 2011 (CST)

::: I had another look at the barrel length, noting that the part of the barrel outside the receiver is roughly the length of the receiver. Judging by that, I'd say it's the 89, with a 36'' barrel, not the 44''-barrelled 99.
http://web.archive.org/web/19991013044906/http://maadigriffin.com:80/
[[User:Tibfulv|Tibfulv]] ([[User talk:Tibfulv|talk]]) 10:48, 21 April 2017 (EDT)