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Talk:No Country for Old Men

2010-07-24T22:44:20Z

TheSouthpawOutlaw: /* The Book */

==Colt Delta Elite or a smaller frame 1911?==

I thought the Delta Elite wasn't manufactured until 1987. Could this be another anachronism?

:I'm a little more curious to know what makes us think this is a Delta Elite to begin with. It looked to me like it might have just been a regular Commander-type 1911. But if it is a Delta Elite, then yes, it is yet another of the movie's many firearms-related anachronisms.

:I thought it was a 1911 myself.

:I agree, does not look like a Delta Elite to me. Don't know why it is considered to be one.

:It also seems like a 1911 would be way more common for a sheriff to carry than a Delta Elite.

:I don't mean to be rude to the person that made this page, but unless we can find a good reason to state this is a Delta Elite, I think we should change the section to a 1911.

::It's definitely not a regular 1911 or 1911A1. It has a circular hammer, so it's gotta be a Commander variant such as the Series 80. The only question is whether it's the Delta Elite (which is similar externally to the Commander line, but chambered for 10mm).

:::Agreed. Mabey it would be better if we moved this to the discussion page so we do not clutter up the page?

Sheriff Ed Tom's gun has a high-rise beavertail grip safety, visible when he thumb-cocks the gun before entering the El Paso motel. Such grip safeties were not available in 1980, and became popular in the '90s.
I can see why someone could think the gun was a Delta Elite, as that was probably Colt's best-known, older 5" gun that came from the factory with a rowel hammer, but, as noted, it wasn't available in 1980. The Combat Government Model was available then, but had neither a beavertail nor rowel hammer. The later Special Combat Government Model does have a rowel hammer, but no beavertail. The Combat Elite - also not available in 1980 - had the rowel hammer, but no beavertail until reintroduced in 2008. Any "1911" can have the hammer switched out, so the presence of the rowel hammer isn't anachronistic, but the beavertail is.

==The Book==
The ending of the book was way better. The sheriff hunts Anton down and puts a slug in his face-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually Anton is arrested. It's hard to tell because of the writing style. DRC92

It was certainly hard for you because he doesn't get arrested unless you read the book backwards. --[[User:TheSouthpawOutlaw|TheSouthpawOutlaw]] 22:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

==Remington 11-87==
Unless this movie is going for historical inaccuracy, the gun would be a [[Remington 1100]]. It's not a Remington 11 since it doesn't have the same exterior design. Doubt it would be an 11-48 since the recoil seems too low. The 1100 is the most likely gun, since the Remington 11-87 wasn't produced until 1987, hence the name "Remington 11-'''87'''". [[Special:Contributions/70.157.131.56|70.157.131.56]] 02:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Book Guns ==

So far I'm only about a third of the way through the book but I'm pretty surprised as to how close the two follow each other, even in terms of guns used. For example, so far I've seen:
* Moss's "heavybarreled .270 on a '98 Mauser action with a laminated stock of maple and walnut... Unertl telescopic sight of the same power as the binoculars", reflected as a Remington 700 in the film
* the "shortbarreled H&K machinepistol with a black nylon shoulderstrap" that Moss picks up in the book is an H&K SP89 in the film
* Moss finds a "nickelplated government .45 automatic" in the hands of a dead drug dealer, which is what he finds in the film as well (with mentions in the book of the grip safety, etc.)
* Chigurh shoots the two men at trucks with a "nine millimeter Glock", as seen in the film
* Moss buys a "twelve gauge Winchester pump gun and a box of double ought buckshot shells" with references later made to the hammer and his sawing-down process seen exactly duplicated in the film with the Winchester '97 that Moss purchases
* Chigurh carries a "twelve gauge Remington automatic with a plastic military stock and a parkerized finish... fitted with a shopmade silencer fully a foot long and big around as a beercan", fitting the description of the Remington 11-87 he carries in the film
* however, instead of a TEC-9 as he carries in the film, Chigurh uses a "shortbarreled Uzi" with a 25-round magazine in the book during the hotel shootout
Several other guns are mentioned, such as Bell reflecting on "Colts .44-40" and how "if that won't stop him you'd better throw the thing down and take off runnin'" and how he "likes the old Winchester model 97. I like that it's got a hamer. I don't like havin' to hunt the safety on a gun."
All in all, safe for the unforgivable error of constantly referring to magazines as "clips", Cormac McCarthy did a good job incorporating guns into the story and the filmmakers did a good job sticking to the ones in the book. (I'll update later once I've read further on.) [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 22:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Cobray not MAC-10? ==

The gun used in the motel doesnt look like a MAC-10, looks more like a Cobray M11. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 04:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:You may be right the receiver looks longer on the back like on the Cobray. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Colbert Report, The

2010-07-11T23:46:42Z

TheSouthpawOutlaw:

How ironic we have a page for a left wing antigun jerk like Colbert on IMFDB :)

what exactly makes him a jerk? Just because he's not a conservative gun nut?

We better put some kind of disclaimer on the page, since we're all humorless right wing gun nuts and any illusion of this being any kind of impartial catalog of weapons in film and television went out the fucking window a long time ago.

- Yeah, sure. Why not? :b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, ironic that a couple of anonymous douchbags [[User:69.152.170.239]] and [[User:70.111.177.84]] spout anti gun left wing sarcasm. Nice to know that the rest of us are "fascists" in your eyes. I wonder why those gun hating folks even POST HERE! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Name anything I've said that's "anti-gun." You're just ranting and raving about things that have no bearing on reality. And the way you guys go on about the conspiracies of liberals and "the left" to come take your guns away is embarassing, and nothing to do with me. I'm only anti-raving hypocrite who pretends to run an impartial encyclopedia. --[[User:TheSouthpawOutlaw|TheSouthpawOutlaw]] 23:46, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I love guns. I'm a firm supporter of the second ammendment. The only catch is that I'm also a proud liberal, atheist, pro gay marriage and all of the other stuff. Just because I don't preach from the bible of Beck and Limbaugh doesn't mean I'm a communist-socialist-facsist-or any other scary sounding word ending in "ist". I am liberal and love guns, and I also despise the constant right-wing rhetoric that surrounds the whole "gun-culture". I think it hurts the us all because a lot of people have this stereo-typical view of gun-owners as ignorant rednecks and it alienates the shooters who think differently and it scares away the non-shooters. I don't hate conservatives, just the extreme ones who spout non-sense at anyone who disagrees with them. This ain't directed at anyone in particular,just a general statement/ ShootingLiberal

::Uh, no. The gun owning crowd are NOT far right rednecks, but the damned LIBERALS sure like to make sure that this shallow stereotype is all that people recognize. Sorry, but being a proud card carrying Liberal and supporting guns is a contradiction, since Liberals by their philosophy see government as the best caretaker of the population, whereas the conservative sees the individual as the best caretaker of himself. Gun ownership is contradictory to the power of the state if the state wants all the power. Your quote was incredibly stupid and douchebaggy. Criticizing US as being humorless right wing gun nuts? The LEFT has no sense of humor (and your post proves it). Also quit being a douchebag and stop posting anonymously. All of our worst contributors pop in anonymously, type ridiculous posts and then either leave or are banned. Thanks for listening. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:10, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::^This. Seriously, I love how liberals like to pretend that gun owners are knuckle dragging idiots. Except, of course, when they're a gun owner; then they're responsible but everyone else can't be trusted. I absolutely agree, as well, that liberalism (much like socialism, communism, and marxism) views the government as the group best equipped to act as caretaker for the whole populace. Let's look at Obama's policies for a quick case in point; they're better equipped to determine prices of private goods, they're better equipped to determine what's best for you (you gotta buy that health insurance or pay a fine), they're best equipped to run private car manufacturers, they're best equipped to give out student loans, they're best equipped to run banks, etc. By the way, I especially enjoy how, when something occurs that actually lies in the purview of what the government is supposedly best equipped to handle, they botch it ridiculously (oil spill). Gun ownership goes against the liberal belief that the people best equipped to use firearms are, of course, chosen by the government. And the fact that you live such a contradictory lifestyle raises questions about your own willful ignorance.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 03:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:- Oh goody, political bullshit. Not that I disagree really, but.. Bah. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

^ Me and him (ShootingLiberal) are in the same boat, 'cept I'm a agnostic [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::I knew there was something I didn't like about you! ;) LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:10, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh crap, the guy with the warehouse full of guns doesn't like me [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 03:20, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::Naw, just a nauseated feeling of suspicion and distrust. Don't worry. I believe in the first amendment. You can believe whatever you want. But that crack sounds kinda like that 'this guy is dangerous because he has a lot of guns' crap that a lot of gun haters spout. Just noting ;) MPM

Oh, not at all. It a simple jibe is all. I apologize for the misunderstanding [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 05:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, Okay! :) Cool. But it's true.... I AM dangerous (quote from Top Gun) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Hoplite, we'll just use Obama's secret rights-stealing task force to take his guns.
:: Hahahaha. Just what I expected! ;) MPM

and MPM2008: You are completely over-reacting to what I'm trying to say. Not all liberals are communist, vegetarian, demons hell bent on turning the USA into the USSR. I believe in what Liberals believe, there are actually a lot of people like us, on specified boards and other gun forums. I've heard of tons of libs and moderates being afraid to identify themselves as such because they fear the backlash they might recieve. I just recently saw a confessed liberal getting ripped on 1911forums.com just for having it in his username, his post was about Military 1911's, nothing political to it and he still got ripped. Take a trip over to theliberalgunclub.org and you'll find that we enjoy guns just as much you or anyone else. There really is a conservative taste to the culture of gun-owners in America, a trip to any forum or gun range will show you that. It alienates many and scares off even more./ Shooting Liberal
::Well it's gotta be EXPECTED, being that Liberals are the PERSECUTORS of gun owners. Kinda like being a German and a NSDAP member in a Jewish community in the 1930s and saying "Hey! I don't like how I have to hide the fact that I'm a German AND an NSDAP member" Doh! Or did you forget that Liberals are the backbone of the gun prohibition movement? It's got to be expected. How can you guys expect anything else? Sorry about that. I don't bash Liberals in my many OTHER forums because it's not an issue. I am in many forums for filmmaking, technical aspects of film, special effects, film editing. Personally I don't care what a person's politics are. But consider that anti gun LIBERALS (yes I said it) have driven MOST of the movie armorers out of business, have driven most of the movie industry OUT of the U.S. (mostly due to their rampant love of taxation and red tape and anti business bias) and seek (indirectly mind you) to eliminate guns in films in general. Kinda ironic eh? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::: It's not limited to driving firearms out of Hollywood, either. Liberals have been doing their best to destroy the people's ability and God-given right to keep and bear arms for decades. Recall the attempt to allow gun manufacturers to be sued for what their product was used for (no other product in America carries the same rules), the repeated attempts at standardizing ridiculous, ineffective, and prohibitively expensive 'safety' devices that make no one more safe, and, of course, the liberal leadership on the fight to destroy the gun show through various ridiculous methos, even though all data suggests criminals get their firearms from burglary more than anywhere else. 'Shooting Liberal', you're deluding yourself, and I suggest you look around you, because with every vote you cast for some liberal jackass, you're destroying your right to keep and bear arms.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 13:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::By the way, liberalism is, in of itself, basically nanny-statism, and any nanny-state will eventually demand the firearms of their serfs. Liberalism makes everyone equally miserable except for the well-connected and political, much like communism. And, of course, there's that whole 'share the wealth' bullshit, because apparently I deserve to be taxed for creating jobs and making a legitimate wage so that someone can sit at home and watch cable TV or gamble at a casino with my tax dollars. Liberalism and the anti-gun agenda go hand in hand, and if you disagree, you're ignoring it.

You know, it's not only liberals who go forward with this anti-gun stuff. You'd be surprised how many Republicans support some of these gun control measures. Plus, since our Liberal president took office, your gun rights have actually grown. Now you can carry in a National park and transport firearms on an amtrak. Like I said earlier, a lot of Liberals are no where near what you think, we are people too :) and some of us are adament supporters of the right to bear arms
::WTF? Obama would NEVER increase gun rights on his own. The National park carry was PUSHED by Republicans! (and some pro gun Democrats). But I don't bash Obama for gun control, he hasn't done any (in fact you'll never find a bash on him by me anywhere on this site) Where do you live? It depends a lot on where you call home. In California we have a LOT of liberal fascists (i.e. liberals who are evil and crush all dissent). I have liberal friends who are HONEST liberals (i.e. they may have an opinion but they support the rights of others to have different opinions), but in SAN FRANCISCO and LALA land (especially the Hollywood crowd), the Liberals are intolerant bullies. I suppose that skews one's view of them. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Also, Obama didn't have any fingerprint on the law allowing carry in a national park. That was written and signed into law during the Bush administration; when Obama took power, he immediately halted it, and then it was reintroduced and re-signed later along with a bunch of other socialist things Obama wanted. AMTRAK legislation was ony passed because what it was attached to was a big part of Obama's agenda to destroy this country and strip people of as many freedoms as possible. Don't sit there and kid yourself, thinking Obama is a fan of the second amendment. He is not, by any stretch, a fan of your right to keep and bear arms. If you think he is, you're delusional. And as for 'republicans' who are anti-gun, note also that their voting records often reflect being more D than R, much like Arlen Specter. Just because you call yourself a Republican doesn't make you one. On the other hand, liberals are all against 2nd amendment rights, because you're too stupid to be able to handle such a dangerous item, but the people the government chooses for police departments are not.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 13:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::PS.You seem to have conveniently forgotten the things Obama has done trying to destroy the right to keep and bear arms, including the attemtped scapegoating for the drug war in Mexico, the destruction of brass, and the fact that Hillary Clinton says she will sign the UN Weapons Ban. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 13:46, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm from New Jersey, and I completely understand the way you feel. I'm just saying that it isn't only Liberals who are fucking with yours, mine, and everyone elses gun rights.