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M14 Rifle

2012-07-04T02:41:39Z

TheDon: /* Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM 16 */

'''The M14 rifle and variants can be seen in the following films, television series, and video games used by the following actors:'''

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== Specifications ==

'''Type:''' Battle Rifle, Sniper Rifle, Designated Marksman Rifle, Light Machine Gun

'''Caliber:''' 7.62x51mm NATO

'''Capacity:''' 5, 10, 15, 20 round box magazine

'''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto (M14, M14E2); Semi-Auto (M14 DMR, M21, M25, M39 EMR, and civilian models [M14SA, M1A, M14NM, others])

 

== M14 Rifle ==
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M14E2SAW.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M14E2 Light Machine Gun - a variant of the M14 that was an attempt at an early SAW, meant to supplement the [[Browning Automatic Rifle|B.A.R.]]s and [[M60 machine gun|M60]]s used by American and ARVN troops in the Vietnam War - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

=== Film ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| || U.S Army soldier || [[X-Men Origins: Wolverine]] || . || 2009
|-
| [[Oscar Isaac]] || Bassam || [[Body of Lies]] || With scope and bipod || 2008
|-
| . || IDF marksman || [[Beaufort]] || With scope || 2007
|-
| [[Dwayne Johnson]] || Beck || [[Rundown, The|The Rundown]] || With scope || 2003
|-
| || Henchmen || [[Rundown, The|The Rundown]] || With scope || 2003
|-
| [[Johnny Strong]] || SFC Randy Shughart || [[Black Hawk Down]] || With camouflage paint scheme and M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2001
|-
| .|| U.S. Marine Security Detail || [[Thirteen Days]] || . || 2000
|-
| .|| U.S. Army honor guard || [[General's Daughter, The|The General's Daughter]] ||.||1999
|-
| .|| Police honor guard || [[The Negotiator]] || . || 1998
|-
| [[Larenz Tate]] || Ford Lincoln Mercury || [[Postman, The|The Postman]] || . || 1997
|-
| .|| U.S. Army Soldiers || [[Mars Attacks!]] || . || 1996
|-
| [[Jack Black]] || Billy Glenn Norris || [[Mars Attacks!]] || . || 1996
|-
| [[Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje]] || Kahega || [[Congo]] || . || 1995
|-
| [[Joan Chen]] || Masu || [[On Deadly Ground]] || . || 1994
|-
| [[Michael Colyar]] || Williams || [[Hot Shots! Part Deux]] || with scope || 1994
|-
| .|| U.S. Army recruits || [[Forrest Gump]] || . || 1994
|-
| [[Tom Hanks]] || Forrest Gump || [[Forrest Gump]] || . || 1994
|-
| [[Mykelti Williamson]] || Pvt. Benjamin Buford "Bubba" Blue || [[Forrest Gump]] || . || 1994
|-
| [[Clancy Brown]] || Capt. Byron Hadley || [[Shawshank Redemption, The|The Shawshank Redemption]] || . || 1994
|-
| .|| U.S. Navy honor guard || [[Clear and Present Danger]] || With & without ceremonial M6 bayonets || 1994
|-
| [[Bradley Whitford]] || Bobby Lee || [[A Perfect World]] || With scope || 1993
|-
| .|| Gang member || [[South Central]] || . || 1992
|-
| || US Marine honor guard || [[Flight of the Intruder]] || With magazines removed and M6 bayonets || 1991
|-
| || U.S. Navy sailor || [[Hunt for Red October, The|The Hunt for Red October]] || || 1990
|-
| [[Tom Cruise]] || Ron Kovic || [[Born on the Fourth of July]] || || 1989
|-
| .|| U.S. Marines || [[Siege of Firebase Gloria, The|The Siege of Firebase Gloria]] || . || 1989
|-
| .|| U.S. Marine recruits || [[Full Metal Jacket]] || . || 1987
|-
| [[Vincent D'Onofrio]] || Pvt. Leonard "Gomer Pyle" Lawrence || [[Full Metal Jacket]] || . || 1987
|-
| [[R. Lee Ermey]] || GSgt. Hartman || [[Full Metal Jacket]] || . || 1987
|-
| [[Matthew Modine]] || Pvt. "Joker" || [[Full Metal Jacket]] || . || 1987
|-
| [[John Allen Nelson]] || Timothy Byrant || [[Saigon Commandos]] || With scope || 1987
|-
| .|| Sniper || [[Lethal Weapon]] || . || 1987
|-
| [[D.B. Sweeney]] || Spc. Jackie Willow || [[Gardens of Stone]] ||.|| 1987
|-
| [[Laurence Fishburne]] || Sgt. Flanagan || [[Gardens of Stone]] ||.|| 1987
|-
| [[Casey Siemaszko]] || Pvt. Wildman || [[Gardens of Stone]] ||.|| 1987
|-
| .|| Mobster || [[Raw Deal]] || With suppressor and scope || 1986
|-
| || Rebels || [[Commando Leopard]] || || 1985
|-
| [[Patrick Swayze]]|| Scott || [[Uncommon Valor]] || E2 variant with Scope || 1983
|-
| .|| Mike Force soldier || [[Green Berets, The|The Green Berets]] ||. || 1968
|-
| .|| U.S. Army soldiers || [[Green Berets, The|The Green Berets]] || . || 1968
|-
| .|| Viet Cong || [[Green Berets, The|The Green Berets]] || .|| 1968
|-
| .|| U.S. Army soldiers || [[Goldfinger]] || . || 1964
|-
|}

=== Television ===

* ''[[A Rumor of War]]''

* ''[[CSI: Miami]]''

* ''[[Burn Notice]]''

* ''[[Hawaii Five-O (1968)]]''

* ''[[Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.]]''

* ''[[American Dreams]]''

* ''[[Jericho]]''

* ''[[Top Shot]]''

* ''[[A-Team, The| The A-Team]]''

* ''[[E-Ring]]''

* ''[[Ultimate Weapons]]''

* ''[[Top Shot - Season 4]] (S04E01) (2012)

=== Video Games ===
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|-
| [[Project Reality: Vietnam]] || || || || 2012
|-
| [[Payday: The Heist]] || M308 || || || 2011
|-
|[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Battlefield: Bad Company 2: Vietnam]]||||||||2010
|-
|[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]||||w/ M14E2-style pistol grip, stock, bipod, and optional foregrip||Semi-automatic fire only|||2010
|-
|[[ArmA II]]||||w/ Aimpoint scope||Added in ''Operation Arrowhead'' expansion|||2010
|-
|[[Shellshock 2: Blood Trails]]||||||||2009
|-
|[[Operation 7]]||||||||2008
|-
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008
|-
|[[Silent Hill:Homecoming]]||||||||2008
|-
|[[SOCOM: Confrontation]]||||||||2008
|-
|[[Combat Arms]]||Variety of names||w/ synthetic stock, magnified scope and suppressor (M14 SE)||When aiming down the sight, the game incorrectly displays a red-dot scope instead of the magnified scope used in in-game sniper/marksman rifles||2008
|-
|[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]||||w/ Rail Adapter System, optional [[M203 grenade launcher]], red dot sight, suppressor, or ACOG scope||Semi-automatic fire only||2007
|-
|[[Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2]]||||w/ optional scope and silencer||||2007
|-
|[[Hitman: Blood Money]]||||||||2006
|-
|[[Vietcong 2]]||||||||2005
|-
|[[Stubbs the Zombie]]||||||||2005
|-
|[[Empire Earth II]]||||||Used by the Rifleman||2005
|-
|[[Battlefield: Vietnam]]||||||||2004
|-
|[[Shellshock Nam '67]]||||||||2004
|-
|[[Vietcong|Vietcong: Fist Alpha]]||||Available w/ ART sight||||2004
|-
|[[Fallout Tactics]]||M-14||||incorrectly fires .303 British ammunition||2001
|-
|[[Empire Earth]]||||||Used by the Marine||2001
|-
|[[Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear]]||||w/ white and wood finish||||1999
|-
|[[Jurassic Park: Trespasser]]||||||||1998
|-
|}

=== Anime ===

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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Upotte!!]]'' || Ichiyon (Japanese for One Four) || With and without scope and Harris bipod || 2012 - ????
|-
|}

=== Special ===
Two M14's are in the '''IMFDB''' Logo.

 

== M21/M25 Sniper Rifle ==
The M21 Sniper rifle is a selective-fire M14 National match rifle with the selector lever locked in the Semi-Automatic position. There are no M21 Rifles known to be in US Movie Armories as they are all NFA weapons due to the Full Auto fire control lug on the right rear of the receiver. For the rifle to be a M21 and not a Springfield M1A the locked FA mechanism should be visible on the right side of the receiver.
[[Image:Xm21rifle.jpg|thumb|right|450px|M21 Sniper Rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

=== Video Games ===
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|-
|[[Operation Flashpoint]]||||||||2001
|-
||[[Delta Force: Black Hawk Down]]||||||||2003
|-
|[[Battlefield: Vietnam]]||||||||2004
|-
|[[Shellshock Nam '67]]||XM21||||||2004
|-
|[[Conflict: Vietnam]]||M14 Sniper Rifle||||||2004
|-
|[[Vietcong|Vietcong: Fist Alpha]]||||||||2004
|-
|[[Project Reality]]||||With Harris bipod and ACOG or Leupold Mark 4 scope||||2005
|-
||[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]||M21||||Available w/ silencer in campaign and ACOG scope in multiplayer.||2007
|-
|[[7.62 High Calibre]]||||||||2008
|-
|[[Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising]]||||With Leupold Mark 4 scope||||2009
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker]]||M21||||||2010
|-
|[[Medal of Honor (2010)]]||M21||w/variety of accessories||multiplayer only||2010
|-
|[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]]||||||Still from "All Ghillied Up" only.||2011
|-
|[[Vietcong 2]]||||||||2005
|-
| [[Project Reality: Vietnam]] || As the "M14" || With anachronistic Leupold Mark 4 scope || || 2012
|-
|}

=== Anime ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Kochikame]]'' || || With grey furniture || 1996 - 2005
|-
|''[[RIN ~Daughters of Mnemosyne~]]'' || Laura || With bipod, suppressor and thumbhole stock || 2008
|-
|}
 

== M14 Designated Marksman Rifle ==
[[Image:Us m14 dmr 02.jpg|thumb|right|400px|M14 Designated Marksman Rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
A variant of the M14 designed for use as a DMR rifle by the US Marine Corps prior to the adoption of the M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle (see below), featuring a custom olive-drab fiberglass stock with integrated pistol grip and cheek riser. Often used with a Harris bipod.

=== Video Games ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
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|-
| [[ArmA II]] || DMR || || With Harris bipod || 2009
|-
| [[Insurgency]] || || || With Harris bipod || 2007
|-
| [[Operation Flashpoint: Red River]] || || || || 2011
|-
|}

===Anime===

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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Angel Beats!]]'' || Hinata || With Harris bipod || 2010
|-
|}
 

== ROCK SOPMOD M14 ==
[[Image:Troy-m14-sopmod.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Rock SOPMOD M14 with RIS foregrip, suppressor, Surefire Universal weaponlight, and M68 Aimpoint red dot scope - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
M14 stock system built by Troy Industries, provides a standard M14 with a redesigned gas system and an integrated rail system. Also referred to as SOPMOD M14 (Special Operations Peculiar Modification) or M14 Commando Carbine. Originally designed by Mike Rock under contract of the Naval Surface Warfare Center.

===Film===

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|-
|''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]'' || [[Angelina Jolie]] || Jane Smith || With silencer and M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2005
|-
|}
 

== Mk 14 Mod 0/1 Enhanced Battle Rifle ==
[[Image:Mk 14 Mod 0.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR with a Harris bipod and RIS foregrip - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR with Leupold Mark 4 scope, Tango Down pistol grip, Magpul CTR stock, cheekpad, RIS foregrip, and bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

This weapon is actually called Mark 14 Enhanced Battle Rifle. Even though the internal parts are from an M14, this weapon is not called M14 EBR. This is a common mistake. It was developed for the US Navy SEALs, and thus it is type classified as a "Mark" weapons system.

===Film===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Michael Nyqvist]] || Kozlov || [[Abduction (2011)|Abduction]] || With a suppressor and bipod || 2011
|-
| [[Fernando Chien]] || DSS Agent Wilkes || [[Fast Five]] || With a telescopic sight, bipod and AN/PEQ-15 IR designator || 2011
|-
|}

===Video Games===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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|-
| [[Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2]] || || || With ACOG scope || 2007
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]] || M14EBR || || With optional silencer, laser aiming module, and weaponlight || 2008
|-
| [[Killing Floor]] || M14EBR || Laser aiming module and Sage CA-Mandatory stock || Without scope, semi-automatic only || 2009
|-
| [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]] || "M14 EBR" (SP) or "M21 EBR" (MP) || w/ suppressor, Trijicon ACOG, thermal sight and/or extended magazine || Mod 1 variant with Magpul CTR Stock, semi-auto only; Mod 0 variant seen in menu screenshots, unusable ingame || 2009
|-
| [[MAG]] || || || With camo paint scheme || 2010
|-
| [[SOCOM: US Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 3]]|| Mk14 Mod 0||w/ various accessories|| ||2010
|-
| [[Counter-Strike Online]] || M14 EBR ||Skull-5 Anti-Zombie Sniper Rifle || || 2010
|-
| [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] || M14 Mod 0 Enhanced || Desert camo pattern, optional red dot or ACOG sight || Mod 0 || 2010
|-
| [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] || M14 EBR || || With optional suppressor and ACOG sight || 2010
|-
| [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]] || MK14 (MP) and M14 EBR (SP) || w/ suppressor, sniper scope, variable scope, ACOG, thermal sight, extended magazine, red dot sight, holographic sight, hybrid sight, and rapid fire || Mod 0 and Mod 1 variants (exclusive to multi- and single-player respectively), semi-auto only || 2011
|-
| [[Breach (VG)|Breach]] || Mk 14 || w/ scope ||Mk 14 Mod 0 ||2011
|-
|[[Ghost Recon Online]]||M14 EBR||||Mk 14 Mod 0||2012
|-
| [[Jagged Alliance: Back in Action]] ||M-14 || ||Mk 14 Mod 0 || 2012
|-
|[[Ghost Recon: Future Soldier]]||Mk 14||||Mk 14 Mod 0 - pre-order bonus weapon||2012
|}
 

== M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle ==
[[Image:M-39EMR.jpg|thumb|right|450px|M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

===Video Games===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
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|-
| [[Alliance of Valiant Arms]] || As the "M14EBR" || With EOTech red dot sight or ACOG scope || Fires full auto || 2007
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || || || With [[SVD Dragunov]] magazine || 2008
|-
| [[Battlefield Play4Free]] || As the "M14 EBR" || || With EOTech red dot sight || 2011
|-
| [[Battlefield 3]] || M39 EMR || || || 2011
|-
| [[Operation Flashpoint: Red River]] || || || || 2011
|-
|}
 

== Springfield Armory M1A ==
[[Image:SFA M1A.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Springfield Armory M1A - 7.62x51mm (.308 Winchester)]]
A civilian version of the M14; identifying feature is that the rifle lacks a selector switch. Some rifles may have the bayonet lug removed and a muzzle brake in place of a flash hider. Not made by the government armory but a private company of the same name. Some of these weapons are used to impersonate actual M14s or M21s in movies. Sometimes a fake selector switch is installed on some of the movie guns, despite still being semi auto only rifles. The M1As were available to the public for purchase after 1974 and sans selector switch, were virtually identical to the Army's M14 Rifles. After the first California Assault Weapon ban of 1989, Springfield Armory and Colt both saw the writing on the wall. Even though they could still sell renamed identical weapons to California, they started removing cosmetic features like bayonet lugs, being that anti gun politicians criticized the lugs as well as the flash hiders. After Clinton's Federal Assault Weapon ban of 1994, all production M1As were shipped with muzzle brakes instead of flash hiders and no bayonet lugs. After the Federal Assault Weapon ban lapsed in 2004, M1As were shipped with both muzzle brakes and the traditional flash hiders, but Springfield stopped providing bayonet lugs, opting to save on weight. Any M14 style rifle see in a film with a shaved off bayonet lug cannot be a military gun.

The manufacturer is Springfield Armory of Geneseo, Illinois, not to be confused with U.S. Government owned Springfield Armory of Massachusetts (which closed down in 1968).

===Specifications===
(1974 - Present)

* '''Type:''' Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x51mm (.308 Win)

* '''Weight:''' 9.3 lbs (4.2 kg)

* '''Length:''' 44.3 in (113 cm)

* '''Barrel length:''' 22 in (55.9 cm)

* '''Capacity:''' 10

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto

=== Film ===

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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Lebanon]]'' || || Israeli Defense Force Sniper || With bipod || 2009
|-
|''[[28 Weeks Later]]'' || [[Jeremy Renner]] || Doyle || With camo paint scheme and Parker & Hale bipod || 2007
|-
|''[[28 Weeks Later]]'' || || U.S Army Snipers || || 2007
|-
|''[[Tears of the Sun]]'' || [[Charles Ingram]] || Silk || M1A with Leupold & Stevens Mark 4 LR/T 10x40 M1 scope & burlap strips and camouflage paint scheme || 2003
|-
|''[[Bullet in the Head]]'' || || U.S Army Special Forces soldiers || || 1990
|-
|}

===Television===
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Falling Skies - Season 1]] || [[Colin Cunningham]] || John Pope || With scope || 2011 - present
|}
===Video Games===

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| [[7.62 High Calibre]] || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008
|-
|}

 

== Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM 16==
[[Image:Springfield Armory M1A Socom 16.JPG|thumb|right|401px|M1A SOCOM 16 with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope - 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester)]]
[[Image:M1A-Socom.jpg|thumb|right|400px|M1A SOCOM 16 - 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester)]]

Not used by the military. Civilian sporting M1A variant with 16-inch barrel.

=== Film ===
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Resident Evil: Apocalypse]]'' || || Umbrella Soldier || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2004
|-
|}

===Video Games===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Dark Sector]] || As the "VX Carbine" || || || 2008
|-
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008
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Talk:Edge of Darkness

2012-04-15T22:09:20Z

TheDon: /* Holster make/model */

It seems like its been a while since Mel Gibson has done anything. I don't think I have seen him in any new film since ''[[Signs]]''. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:Yeah no kidding, has anyone noticed the way he holds his Glock by holding his firing hand by the wrist with his other? I never really understood the concept of this shooting style/technique.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 18:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::In a recent trailer you can see he holds his gun in a nice weaver grip at times. I never understood it either, it doesn't provide any real support.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 00:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::It's all about what works for him. Any grip that enables one to shoot acurately and control the weapon is a proper grip. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Removed a comment that had nothing to do with this site. Gunner313
:I also removed an unneeded spoiler. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
==The Glock==

Are we sure that Mel Gibson's Glock is a G19? In the first image, the grip looks a bit too long to be a G19. More like a -17. And yes, I know that the G19 is what the NYPD uses in real life, but this is a movie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

:Furthermore, Gibson's character is a member of the ''Boston'' PD, so it doesn't matter what the NYPD uses anyway. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I just watched this film and i thought it was pretty damn good welcome back riggs. The last shot on the page isn't ray winstons character its danny huston's and im fairly sure he was using either a 1911 type or a smith and wesson, cant check now tho, sorry--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

:just saw this last night, his Glock is def a Glock 19. While it doesn't look like it, the last screencap is a SIG-Sauer P220R pistol.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Just FYI, the real life issue weapon for officers and detectives in the BPD is the Glock 23, which is the .40 caliber brother to the 19. I'm not saying that it's definitely the 23 b/c I'm not nearly good enough at looking at the bore. However, as we never get a good look at the left side of the weapon, it could be either. Correct me if I'm wrong

According to the folks who actually work in the movie industry most times if it's a Glock it's probably a G17/19/17L/26/34. The 9mm seems to be very popular with movie gun folks. So I would asume (based on the info) that it's a G19. Perhaps it's filling in as a G23? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 15:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

==Springfield Champion==
It's not a Champion, it's an Ultra Compact. Read the slide. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 10:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

==More Screencaps==
Added some more screencaps. Discovered a few more firearms that were used. Tried not to add any spoilers. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

== Holster make/model ==

Does anybody know what brand of holster Craven uses for his G23? I've looked around on the internet at the different types of paddle holsters and haven't had much luck in identifying it.

Looks like they put the paddle from a Fobus and perhaps a Bianci holster together. It doesn't look like any type of holster I've ever seen. Could have been constructed for the movie. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:34, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

looks like a Galco leather speed paddle holster to me. the color of leather looks more like galco leather then the shade that bianchi uses.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Town

2012-03-24T00:58:53Z

TheDon: /* Beretta */

== Unidentified Pistols==

==Another Unidentified M1911 variant==
Not sure what M1911 variant this is, Colt Gold Cup? Kimber? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:Town 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:Maybe a Kimber, but not a Colt Gold Cup. This pistol doesn't have the Colt Gold Cup's raised target sights. Below are some extra shots of the scene.- [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 14:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:TT-M1911a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:TT-M1911b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:TT-M1911c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:TT-M1911d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Doug MacRay is seen shooting off a pistol while in a non-functioning train car.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2010-12-09-23h12m08s44.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:The_town.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

A Fenway Park security guard is seen with a pistol that looks like some sort of SIG.
[[Image:TT-SIG?.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:Looks like a P228 to me.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:22, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

it looks like a compact 1911 in some kind of officer's model...possibly a custom Colt with stainless push pins.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't remeber this seen... when did this happen? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

This was after MacRay went to Claire's home. After she found out that Doug is a suspect.

Is the scene from the extended edition? Cause I watched the movie at least a dozen times over the last day, and I never saw this scene.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, this a new one on me.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:45, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

That train scene is from the extended/unrated version.

==Unknowns==
[[Image:Town-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jem (Jeremy Renner) fires a pistol.]]
:Looks like a USP. -[[User:The_Winchester|Dr. Awesome]]
:I agree, i think it's a USP Compact. -Scott; August 12th 2010
Am I the only one who thinks this movie looks like it will be awesome? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]
::Plus also this page is the talk of The Town. Puns are awesome.
And am I the only one who thinks that these guys are, like, alarmingly well-equipped for bank robbers? I WISH it were that easy to get a full-auto HK416. :(
:::Even if the registry was reopened you would still have a hard time getting one. HK would go out of their way to somehow stop that.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Keep in mind that this is MASSACHUSETTS that the movie is set in. Strictest gun laws ever. SKS rifles aren't even allowed to be purchased inside the Boston city limits. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

You know I have to admit I was thinking the same thing myself in regards to the weapons used by this crew and those in other movies like [[Heat]] or something. Where are these guys getting their firepower? HK's 416 is strictly in use by SOCOM or SWAT units. Sure the argument can be made they are acquiring some stuff on the "black market" but...come on!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Heat actually made more sense than this one. AR-15 carbines are relatively easy to convert with drop in parts, Sigs and HK pistols are easy to find, and a semi-automatic HK 91 are nothing compared to an HK 416. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Well to stretch it, we can say this movie takes place during a time when the HK416's civilian variant has been released already and like in Heat, the character bought the civilian variant and put in a drop in auto conversion. It IS a stretch, but at least my theory explains how they at least got a hold of a 416.

Oh and to the guy up there saying that because this movie takes place in Massachusetts with the strictest gun laws ever doesn't mean ANYTHING to bank robbers or criminal in general. They coulda bought their guns outside of the state, transported them back to Massachusetts and then made them full auto. This is the fact showing that gun control in one state doesn't matter when all you have to do is go to the neighboring state. I mean, what's H&K really going to do when they find out that someone is using their guns in a bank robbery? You really think the gun company would go out of their way to make sure their name isn't tarnished when police have problem finding high profile criminals? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:I should know what you can and can't do in MA, seeing as I live there. :P You can't even buy a handgun in Boston with a magazine that can hold more than ten rounds, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder and/or a capacity exceeding six rounds, a semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 10 rounds, any SKS, AK47, UZI, AR-15, Steyr AUG, FN-FAL, and FN-FNC rifle. I agree, your point is valid, but there's no need to sound all snippy about it. all I was saying is that obtaining that level of weaponry would be a fairly difficult task. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I must agree with Excalibur01 here. Professional CRIMINALS don't have the same barriers to weapons that law abiding regular citizens do. Just having draconian gun laws really doesn't mean anything to a professional criminal. A good example of this is the shootouts by the YAKUZA in JAPAN. Seriously, the fact that criminals can get anything they want (and by definition DON'T follow the law anyway) proves how useless and stupid most gun prohibitions are. ..... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::I wasn't trying to be "snippy". You're just reading my text in that tone. I was just being informative on how things work to the criminal mind. They don't follow the law or any rules at all. You really think a magazine limit will stop a criminal from committing crime? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::Haha absolutely not, and in that respect, most, if not all, firearms laws are a joke. Sorry if I took that the wrong way, no hard feelings. :) -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 17:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
And just as another stretch, it IS possible to get the HK USC, with is the civilian UMP and customize it to function like a UMP, but the best theory on why all the hard to get weapons is they most likely stole them from the Police. I mean, there are many departments that uses the UMP and there are some out there that do have the HK416. It wouldn't be TOO hard to believe they ambushed a cop car and stole their weapons or broke into a police armory. They seem to be good at breaking in and disguising themselves. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:They could also possibly had illegal weapon imports from foreign countries. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
::I doubt it'd be an illegal import in full automatic since you'd have to have legit military or Law Enforcement credentials for something like that. HK has a very poor track record when it comes to civilian customer service. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

:It appears that Hollywood uses HK416s as well.

::You guys are over-thinking this again. The bottom line is this: The robbers are using HK416s and other exotic automatic weapons because those guns look cool, and visual impact is all that matters in Hollywood. In real life, it is highly unlikely that we would ever see bank robbers using such hardware. It's not impossible, but it is highly unlikely. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Also even in 'movie world', professional criminals can have ties to gun running operations like those run by the Hell's Angels or the Mafia or even the Drug Cartel. There is NO BARRIER to any type of weapons ownership if you have the will and the CASH to get it and are willing to deal with very unsavory types. The weapons used by the Mexican Drug cartel right NOW is proof of that. Talk about a country with draconian gun control, it certainly doesn't stop the Drug Cartel gangs. Now fortunately for us, in the real world, 99% of criminals are STUPID, but that's another thread all together..;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Well said MT2008...this is a movie not a documentry.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Aren't the robbers in the movie (McRay, Coughlin and Fergie the florist) Irish? Maybe they are raising funds for the IRA? What if they got the 416s from IRA arm dealers? The IRA affliated dealer in The Boondock Saints was shown to have an impressive arsenal including the HK PSG-1, Arctic Warfare Police, DShK etc. So my theory goes that some guerillas managed to kill British special forces, who may have been issued the HK 416s in limited quantities for testing and then sold them. What bugs me is the fact that on one hand these robbers are using HK 416s and on the other the TEC-9. If Jem wanted a 9mm smg, wouldn't the MP5(K) be a better choice? --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 07:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, they're Irish, but that doesn't mean they're affiliated with the IRA. And the real-life IRA(s) is not nearly as well-armed as movies make them look (most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S.) If you are seriously trying to explain the feasibility of Irish-American bank robbers having HK416s by suggesting that they could have gotten the weapons from the IRA, simply because of how the IRA is portrayed in ''movies''...well, do I even need to say it? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

:::Which part of guerillas killing British military personnel and selling their weapons not possible? I'm not saying that every single IRA is equiped with exotic weapons, just that it is possible they may get their hands on one or two. In that case it would be better to sell these and buy more cheaper guns. This theory fits perfectly with the PSG-1 and AWP while the DSHk could be supplied by Libya. --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Hold Up! the IRA is buying "most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S."? Where is that information coming from? How can a little country like the U.S ;) supply its personally purchased firearms to the Mexican drug Cartels AND the IRA?...shit man we get blamed for everything!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::::(1.) There isn't any British military unit that uses the HK416. The SAS still uses traditional direct-impingement M16s and M4s (which is irrelevant, since the SAS also hasn't conducted any operations in Northern Ireland since the 1990s).

::::(2.) Since 2007, the British Army has ended its operations in Northern Ireland. All British troops involved in combat and peacekeeping operations during the Troubles have either returned to base or returned to the mainland. Although there is still paramilitary activity in the province (from both Republican and Loyalist groups), it is now handled by Northern Ireland's police force, the PSNI. In other words, not many British military personnel walking around with their weapons.

::::(3.) The Provisional IRA (which is what most people mean by "the IRA") disarmed itself in 2005 and has become an exclusively political organization (all of its weapons, including its large stock of assault rifles, were decommissioned under the supervision of an international monitoring agency). There are still several splinter IRA factions (the Real IRA, Continuity IRA, and the Irish National Liberation Army) which do not support the peace process, but those groups are extremely poorly armed, due to the difficulties in securing funding and supply routes for weapons. If you ever find propaganda photos of them, you'll see that they're still using rusty old AKs sent to the PIRA by Qaddafi 25 years ago, and outdated civilian AR-15s that were bought by American IRA supporters from gun shops 30+ years ago. If any of those groups had an HK416, I'm pretty sure they'd keep it for themselves. They simply don't have enough weapons that they can afford to sell off to anyone else.

::::Need I say more? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::::''the IRA is buying "most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S."? Where is that information coming from? ''

::::As I've said, not IS, '''was'''. For most of its history, the IRA got most of its weapons from its supporters in the U.S. By the 1980s, the FBI had started cracking down on the IRA's American gunrunner network, and Libya took over supplying weapons. You can read more [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_arms_importation here]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

The SAS use the Diemaco C8 SFW not the M4. And what you said about the IRA is true, the troubles are pretty much over, the IRA disarmed themselves back in 2005 and have become a completely politically motivated entity. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:22, 2 July 2011 (CDT)

Watched this on cable. I'm no kind of Ben Affleck fan. In fact he usually annoys the piss out of me. But I liked this film. It's obvious that it's main influence is HEAT, even though it is based on a book, and I think the weapon choices made were just another aspect of that influence. I don't have any issue with the notion that multi generational Irish mobsters could get a hold of crazy weapons. No IRA connection was inferred in the film. They are not terrorists. Just thugs. But they are part of a bigger picture that I think could certainly get them uzi's, and AK's and AR's.--[[User:James3|James3]] 02:50, 3 August 2011 (CDT)

==Yahoo Movies==
Yahoo Movies has some pictures.
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/2274/the-town-stills#photo6
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/2274/the-town-stills#photo37

== Jimmy O? ==

Is it just me or is that cop with the wooden stocked 870 played by Titus Welliver, who plays Jimmy O'Phelan on Sons of Anarchy
[[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 00:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah that's him. He was in Affleck's Gone Baby Gone also.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

==Rifle with dual-magazines==
Anyone knows what this rifle is? (in much better detail at [http://thetownmovie.warnerbros.com/data/downloads/wallpapers/get_wallpaper.html?image=1600/TT_WPs1600_NB_002.jpg]) - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:TT-AK?dualmags.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:TT-M4AlCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Boston S.W.A.T. with an M4 Carbine with a C-More red dot sight, an R.I.S. foregrip, and a tactical flashlight in a wallpaper.]]

AKMSU - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]
:Thanks. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I always knew the nuns would get desperate after Sunday donations dried up :) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
:Don't fear their rulers, few their automatic weapons [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question on Fergie's gun *SPOILERS* ==

This is one for people who've seen the movie. Near the end when Doug goes to Fergie's and kills him. I was pretty sure that Fergie's pistol was a Glock but my friends swear that it was some sort of 1911. Did anybody get a clear look at it? [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 17:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
:Definitely a 1911 pistol, you could see the rounded top of the slide and the foreend was distinctly 1911 style.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Damn, how they hell did I miss that? I'm supposed to be the 1911 whore and they're the ones who saw it haha, time for pride swallowing I suppose. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 18:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm certain it was a 1911, but was it full length or compact? I could swear it only had a 4" barrel, can anyone confirm or correct?

== Unknown Revolver ==

Someone wanted to identify Renner's revolver...I just saw the film, and I think it's Smith and Wesson's new .38 Bodyguard. I swear I saw the top mounted cylinder release when he draws it and places it against the guy's leg.
Here's the gun in question...I've forgotten how to put the picture in, so here's the link: http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bodyguard38_103038_l1.jpg -Anonymous

I think it was a shrouded hammer, like on the S&W m38. And for some reason (don't ask why, it just randomly popped into my head) when I first saw it, my brain screamed "TAURUS". Can't explain, just my first impression.

When Affleck and Renner go to the projects to beat up the two guys who threw bottles at the bank manager/hostage/Affleck's new love interest, Renner shot one of the guys in both of his legs using a snubnose revolver. Anybody know what make and model it was???

It looked like a hammerless Snub nose type of revolver. Taurus Model 65 I believe.

Taurus was my first impression as well. Though I thought it had a shrouded hammer...

Might have been a Ruger LCR

I'm thinking Taurus 651 or 851. Was not hammerless, had a shrouded hammer.

I was thinking that it was more of a Smith and Wesson model 38, maybe model 36 or a small 357 like a 620

:[[Image:Town-38Bodyguard-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:Either a Model 38 or 49, methinks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yup.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== SA SA58 OSW Carbine in the opening robbery ==

I think the DSA SA58 OSW Carbine is in the opening robbery scene, carried by the guy who "drowns" the cell phones of the staff.

:That's what I thought, too (I went into the movie having seen the trailer, which has the SA58 being used), but I could've sworn I saw that it had an AR-style 5.56x45mm mag. We'll need to wait until the Blu Ray comes out in order to confirm what it was, though. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::Just watched the movie. The rifle used by Des in the opening scene is a [[Galil#Galil MAR|Micro Galil]], not the SA58 OSW used by Doug later. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

So who's doing this? Cause I got the DVD of it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm traveling on Sunday and packing tomorrow, so I won't be able to do it immediately. But I've got the Blu Ray, so I'd prefer I did it (unless somebody else has the Blu Ray and is as careful and thorough at screencapping as I am). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I can get the Blu Ray but if you know me...I might miss something [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==Beretta==

Wasn't this a Taurus PT92?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:I thought it was a Two tone Beretta 92FS.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 03:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

::I have the movie on Blu-Ray, and it's a Beretta 92FS Inox. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I thought it was a regular Beretta not an Inox, but I'll watch it again.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:12, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Must be thinking of another movie.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

::I'm not done with my screencapping yet, but I'll go ahead and post this image now:

::[[Image:Town-92Inox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

::Enlarge it to full-size if you want to see it better. That is a 92FS Inox. However, the lighting is pretty dim, which makes it a bit harder to tell what kind of finish the gun has. You can tell, however, that the alloy frame is not blued. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Maybe it's the light, but the slide seems black, while the frame is anodized (silver). But it probably has to with the slide being actual stainless (darker more grey), and the frame alloy.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:52, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

::::I'm pretty sure it's the lighting that makes it look like the slide is blued. I dunno, maybe my eye sight sucks. I just kinda figured that if the pistol's frame is anodized, odds are at least 90% that the propmaster took a 92FS Inox out of the armory, because those are pretty common. Whereas I haven't seen a reverse two-tone 92FS yet (only the standard two-tone, which has a blued frame and stainless slide). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

::::EDIT: One other thing - my screencaps are always pretty dark (no matter what movie I play). When I saw this movie in theaters back in September, I remember the lighting wasn't quite as dark. Seeing this gun on the big screen, I remember it being a 92FS Inox. And while the Blu-Ray is pretty high-quality, it will never be as high-quality as seeing the movie in a theater. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::The Beretta Inox in [[Predators]] has a dark grey slide with the frame looking light grey or silver. My personal Beretta Inox you can see a color difference between the frame and slide, but it doesn't look two-toned. But both mine and the Inox MPM took are from the early 90s. So maybe the newer ones have a more "two-tone" look compared to the early models.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::Yeah, MPM told me something about this once. Apparently, the 92FS Inox pistols made after about 1995 or so have a disparity between finishes on the slide and frame (the one he photographed from ''[[Fair Game]]'' is an earlier generation gun that doesn't have this problem). I'm guessing the ''[[Predators]]'' gun is also one of the newer ones. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:19, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

'''That''' is a two tone Beretta. Unless the Inox slide colour Disparity makes it black.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 08:18, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

This is a two-tone Beretta. Pretty much Identical to this one.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:58, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
http://www.dallasguns.com/listing_images/large/00005881_b7afa6a261d0321310494536.jpg

==Boston Police Department==
I was wondering if anyone knows of the firearms that a Boston cop is permitted to carry? I have been trying to figure this out for a lot of major citys but no luck. I can't find San Diego, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, Atlanta. --[[User:24guns|24guns]] 4:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC

:The last time I was in Boston (fall 2007), the BPD officers I saw on patrol at the Head of the Charles Regatta were mostly carrying Glocks and SIG Pros in their holsters. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:56, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Atlanta PD was carrying 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson automatics in .40 S&W. Mostly 4006 and 4046. I think they switched though. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 03:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I live in Boston and I see a lot of Glocks being used by BPD and cops in the outlying suburbs. [[User:MrYurrita|MrYurrita]] 22:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Boston cops are issued Glock 23s[http://sites.google.com/site/worldinventory/pw_massachusetts]. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.51.1|24.15.51.1]]
:San Diego police are mostly seen using mostly various Glocks and what looks like Remington 870s. That's all I could remember. - [[Special:Contributions/24.5.139.83|24.5.139.83]] 07:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

== Ballistic Shield ==
What the hell happened with that ballistic shield during the Fenway Park shootout? I've watched it several times, but unless I'm missing something in that scene, it looked like Renner hit it with a burst from his 416 which caused it to shatter like glass. I'm not an expert in ''all'' things firearms and ammunition, but I seriously doubt 5.56 (even armor piercing) could bust through a ballistic shield like ''that''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Your right, AP rounds are a possibility, but those shields are rated for .30 caliber rounds which are 7.62 ammunition. so I highly doubt that a HK 416 could blow holes through a ballistic shield like this, even at point blank range i doubt it would happen

Ben Affleck said in the Blu-Ray commentary that they wanted to show the shield get chipped, but it was too quick a scene to do it small, so it was bigger than it should have been. He also was talking about it getting hit with an AK round, so it could have been a continuity from before he picked up the HK.

AK rounds wouldnt chip the shield, those are rated to stop 7.62x51mm Nato standard rounds, which are larger then AK rounds, if ceramic plates in body armour can stop AK rounds then a solid steel ballistic shield can stop those no problem, without chipping, otherwise the police/FBI wouldnt use them. Unless the shield was made improper, or the thieves had military grade armour piercing ammunition (highly inpractical) then the shield could possibly have been damaged.

Although im not much of an expert on this, me and my father discussed this after watching the movie, and after pausing and rewatching the scene several times, it appears he hits the ballistic shield right where the plating is welded and the supports are not as strong. I mean these shields are not made out of solid steel, that would be ridiculous to carry, I'm not sure the material they use to make them but its not impenetrable. I'm not certain on it but my dad said that ballistic shields can be easily penetrated by rifle rounds if hit in the right areas as not all shields are rated to protect against heavier calibers and are made for SMG and Handgun protection. On a side note i was very impressed by this movie considering Ben Affleck directed it, rare to see for a modern movie. - Doc345

these shields weigh alot because they are made out of steel, and yes you are right they would be ridiculous to carry, that is why you have a trained operator carrying the shield both hands, because it is heavy, the FBI will not willingly send their men in without a protective shield that can stop rifle rounds (seeing as what that is what the robbers used several times in their multiple robberies), sending their men in with shields that cant stand up to that would be stupid. Anyways the weapon caughlin in shown firing at the shield is a 416, 5.56x45mm nato standard. they would barely dent a steel ballistic sheild

== Not an UMP. ==
[[Image:TT-SMG?.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Boston S.W.A.T. with a UMP.]]
clearly a MP5 with a surefire.

== A suggestion ==

I think the TEC-9 should be moved to the pistols with a note about the conversion, because it is a semi-auto pistol IIRC. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:53, 26 October 2011 (CDT)

Why? It's not a pistol it's a sub-machine gun. Just because it's a smaller sub-machine gun doesn't make it a pistol. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:55, 26 October 2011 (CDT)

: I was not talking about its size, but the fact that it is semi-auto only. As far as I know smgs can go auto. - bozitojugg3rn4ut

It depends on the SMG, the HK94 is still classed as a SMG even though it is semi auto only unless it has been converted to full auto. Just because something is semi auto only doesn't make it a pistol the same way a Glock 18 isn't a SMG but a fully automatic pistol. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:52, 27 October 2011 (CDT)
:So you would put a converted Glock 17 among the submachine guns? Because this IS the same scenario here. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:09, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

::The TEC-9 used in the movie is a full-auto weapon, so it seems appropriate to keep it in submachine guns. If it had been a semi-auto version that was fired only on semi-auto, we'd put it in pistols. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 08:29, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

::: I don't understand why it would suddenly become a pistol if it was semi auto only. A PGS1 rifle isn't a pistol but that only fires semi auto. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:20, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

Talk:In Plain Sight

2012-03-21T04:26:11Z

TheDon: /* Holster */ new section

Is anyone going to ID the sniper rifle that was going to be used in Season 1 Episode 2?

==Unsure as to what pistol this is==
A ??? is seen wielded by a Marlon ([[Lewis Brown]]) when he shoots a bookie on the basketball Court in Season 1's "High Priced Spread" (S1E06).
[[Image:IPS-SilverPackA.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Marlon ([[Lewis Brown]]) pulls his ???, though this may be a lightweight airsoft copy.]]
[[Image:IPS-SilverPack2a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Marlon ([[Lewis Brown]]) fires a live ??? at the back of Junior ([[Kelvin Brown]]), though in the shot, there is only one round since the slide locks back after one shot.]]
[[Image:IPS-SilverPack3a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|A brief glimpse of the upper slide of the pistol, indicating it is a ???.]]

Help a tired and bleary eyed IMFDB mod out ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

SIG P22X / P22X Non-gun?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 10:32, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
:SIG, I don't think it's a non gun. I thought the slides didn't even operate on them, so the slide wouldn't even lock back?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
::Looks a little like an S&W 4506. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

::Looks like a SIG to me.-protoAuthor

The 2nd two pictures are most likely real SIGs, but the first one just looks off enough to be a replica/non-gun. Its a SIG (or a SIG copy like TZ99) for sure, the slide contours match, as do the de-cock and slide release levers on the side of the frame (visible in the 3rd pic). My best guess is an early nickel P226.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:Definitely a nickel SIG 226. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:43, 11 December 2011 (CST)

==No 4006==

The pistol on here previously labeled as a 4006 is, again, a 5906. The hammer geometry is that of a 5906, as are the front strap serrations (vertical as opposed to checking).

==Mary's Backup Glock==
In the episode "Trojan Horst", when Mary fires her Glock '27', the slide locks back after her firing only six shots. That, combined with the fact that her gun that she used when she busted into Frankie Santoro's place in the pilot episode had a buttpad, leads me to believe that that specific gun is a blank adapted Glock 36, with a six round magazne.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:10, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:We've cautioned our members about this many times, but trying to ID a gun on the basis of the number of rounds fired is a very BAD way to do it. It might simply be an editing mistake, or the armorer might not have loaded the mag to full capacity. Unless you have visual proof that the gun is a Glock 36 (slide markings and examination of frame/slide width), the safer bet is that the gun is the (vastly)-more-common-in-Hollywood Glock 26 or 27. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:43, 11 December 2011 (CST)

== Holster ==

I know it's a long shot, but can anyone identify the holster seen in this screenshot?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 23:26, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

[[Image:IPS-That-is-a-Glock-23a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Deputy U.S. Marshal Mary Shannon ([[Mary McCormack]]) shows off her [[Glock#Glock 23|Glock 23]] in Season 1, Episode 2 (Hoosier Daddy) and describes it as her "Glock 23".]]

Talk:Glock pistol series

2012-02-29T21:05:26Z

TheDon: /* Stupid question */

2 Glocks (.45?) play prominet roles in the movie "Fracture" starring Anthony Hopkins. Don't know the model so I didn't edit the main page ([[Special:Contributions/80.121.38.199|80.121.38.199]] 18:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC))

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==Other Glock Variations==
===Screen-Used===
[[Image:IMFDB P00261 Sopranos Tony Soprano Glock 19.jpg|thumb|none|350px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Glock 19 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[James Gandolfini]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. More detailed images and purchasing information on this item can be found at [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00261&Store_Code=TGC&search=Sopranos+Glock&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= here].]]
[[Image:P00650 Glock Full Left.jpg|thumb|350px|none|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Glock 19 - 9x19mm. This non-firing prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film '''[[The Other Guys]]''', and was carried by [[Will Ferrell]] in the film. The gun is accompanied by the Galco belt holster also used in numerous scenes throughout the film.]]
[[Image:P00613.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Screen used Glock 19 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun has been modified to fire blank rounds only. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00613&Store_Code=TGC&search=Salt&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:MattDUlt.jpg|thumb|350px|none|The actual screen-used 3rd generation Glock 17 - 9mm from ''[[The Bourne Ultimatum]]''. This weapon was actually handled and fired by [[Matt Damon]]. Note the damage on the rail.]]

===Other Images===
[[File:Glock17ext.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 with 33 round magazine.]]
[[File:Glock17stainless ext.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 fitted with stainless slide and 33 round magazine.]]
[[Image:Glock_12892-1-.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Glock 17 OD Green - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Evolution.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Suppressed Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BruniGAP-178mm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Bruni GAP Glock 17 blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank]]
[[Image:Glock17RAM4.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Glock 17 RAM - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:CAA.Tactical-RONI-G1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Glock 17 - 9x19mm mounted in a CAA Tactical RONI-G1.]]
[[Image:Pistol Austrian Glock 18 with 31 round magazine.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Glock 18C with a 19 and 31 round magazine - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Glock22left.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Glock 22 (2nd Generation) left side - .40 S&W.]]
[[Image:G17-1x400.JPG|thumb|none|350px|Glock 17 3rd Generation with SureFire x400 attachment and extended 19-round magazine - 9x19mm. Similar to the gun used by [[Shemar Moore]] in ''[[Criminal Minds]]'']]
[[File:Saliant Arms glock 34.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Salient Arms International Glock 34 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Gen2 G19C.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Gen2 Glock 19C - 9x19mm]]

== Longslide versions get their own Glock Model Numbers? ==

It seems kind of odd to me as to why variations of Glock pistols available with longer barrels have their own unique model numbers. Many gun websites I've been to don't seem to list such customizations with their own unique model numbers (except maybe in inventory listings or the like), but rather just mention that a particular model of pistol has a longer barrel version available. Is such a practice just for convenient reference? To satisfy customer preferences? Or for some other reason?

By the way, I appreciate all the hard work the people here have done in identifying the various Glock pistols used in the media on this site. I'd find it pretty hard myself, since barring obvious visual differences like how to tell a full-size Glock from a subcompact one apart, I wouldn't be able to tell a G17 from a G22 without seeing the number on the slide in a movie, for instance, since they look substantially the same. Something like trying to tell a G22 from a G20 would also be quite difficult without hearing a character in a movie say its caliber out aloud or seeing the number on the slide, since they are chambered for similarly-sized cartridges. I don't think its entry on the date of this comment is correct--the real-life US Marshals use Glocks chambered for .40 S&W, not 10mm Auto.

About the only exception to the aforementioned practice on Glock's end is the Glock 20, which apparently now has a factory-made longslide version (not the aftermarket ones), but to my knowledge does not have a unique Glock model number. Can someone fill me in on this? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== The "Glock invisible"-nonsense ==

Here's what [[Hugh Laurie]] (yes, the "House M. D."-guy) had to say about that in his novel "The gun seller":
"You may have read, at one time or another, some of the nonsense that’s been written about the Glock. The fact that its body is made from a fancy polymer material got one or two journalists very excited a while back about the possibility that the gun might not register on airport X-ray machines - which happens to be so much hooey. The slide, barrel, and a fair portion of its innards are metal, and if that weren’t enough, seventeen rounds of Parabellum ammunition are pretty hard to pass off as lipstick refills. What it does have is a high magazine capacity for a low weight, great accuracy, and virtually unequalled reliability. All of which have made the Glock 17 the choice of housewives everywhere."
Dr. House, I couldn't agree more.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 22:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I have to admit that my whole perspective of Glock changed when they sued Smith & Wesson over the Sigma. I mean, they make more money from their handguns than any other company in the world and then they go and sue someone. The Glocks design is so simple it resembles every handgun, you might as well sue them all. I see the similarities but they are easily telled apart. Not a cool thing to do Glock, I wish you hadn't stooped down like that.

== 'Resembles Every Handgun' ==

"The Glocks design is so simple it resembles every handgun, you might as well sue them all."

It only resembles every handgun, because almost every brand has a Glock copy now. There wasn't anything like it back in 1982 when it was released. Back then its main competitors were the 1911, S&W 39, Berreta 92 and various wheel guns. Gunner313
Not to mention that S&W didn't just copy the Glock design they cloned it with parts that would fit into a Glock body, with potentially disastrous consequences.

A copy is a near exact of something. The S&W Sigma is the only Glock copy. The rest are just polymer pistols.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:29, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I think he mans that is so genaric and non-descript in apperance that it has gained the status of being the genaric
icon for "pistol" among the populous, especially laymans.
An example being that I asked my parents (who know nothing of guns) to draw their interpretation of a pistol, what they drew was inescapeably a glock-like design.
I think this is because its basically just a rectangular prism with a very simple handguard on it, also its common use by police give it a good possition in the public eye even for those who avoid movies and other media for whatever reason.
Compaired to other self loading pistols the only competition I can see it having is the Beretta 92 serise of guns, also yes I think your point is very valad - other companies making sudo-glocks means that their image is even more common and that the layman will associate the image of a glock less with glocks and more with the term "pistol".
- annon

==Durability==
:Does anyone else find it ironic that Glock's are nigh indestructible but feel really fragile?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 23:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
The Glocks I've fired, for the most part, don't feel extremely fragile. Sure, they don't have that 'all metal heft' that some other handguns have, which makes them lighter, and conceivably more fragile feeling, but none of mine have never felt like they would shatter if I dropped them. I might be misunderstanding what you mean, though. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
:It just about takes a nuclear blast to destroy one, but at the same time it feels like I could cruch it with my bare hands-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I've never noticed them feeling fragille, but that could be because I can't get over how friggin' UNCOMFORTABLE they are to hold. I'm not trying bash glocks here, they just don't fit my hand. At all.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

==Catastrophic Failure ==
The Portland, Oregon police department stopped offering the .45 Glock 21 as an option for Officers to carry on duty after two incidents in which the weapons exploded in the hands of the range master during testing. Afterwards reports came in from across the country of similar incidents with the Glock 21. Do all Glocks chambered for powerful cartridges (.45, 10mm) have this problem or is it just the Glock 21? Furthermore do all Glock 21s have this issue or were these just a few rare accidents? I don't particularly like Glock pistols but never considered them dangerous (at least to the user) before hearing about these incidents.
-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Hmm. Given the problems that PPB has given Glock in the past (back in the early nineties they commented that "PBB is one of those customers we can't seem to ever make happy") I'm not surprised they blame the company rather than themselves. They also refused to fly to Smyrna to allow Glock to examine one of the pistols; they also refused to allow Glock to remove even one of the allegedly defective pistols for lab tests. The PPB also failed to submit either of the pistols for independent testing, despite stating that it would.

If there was a design flaw it would have shown up '''long''' before now. Glock has ~65% of the US LEA market, mostly in .40 and while the "Short and Weak" isn't nearly as powerful as 10mm Auto, it's generally loaded to higher pressures than .45 ACP

I've used the G20 and G29 (both chambered for the far more powerful 10mm Auto round) for years and haven't had a gun explode or do anything worse that FTE when used with poor ammunition. A few years back we torture tested one with 15,000rds in a single day, it didn't explode.

It's not just .45 and 10mm. I've personally seen a glock 17 explode with factory ammo. Not a pretty sight. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== Portland Police and its standards ==

The Portland Police Bureau is a strange department. I've known experienced officers who have tried to get on with the PPB only to be told that they didn't meet Portland's criteria. In a couple cases they were experienced Oregon certified officers from neighboring cities. One of them spent a year in Kosovo with the U.N. civil police training task force. It's a strange city with an odd police administration. I've known a few good cops who work for Portland, but overall I'm glad that I never applied with the PPB.Ultimately I believe the politics of that part of Oregon would have driven me crazy.Very very LEFT WING. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 15:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

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It's only certain Glock models that do it. I've noticed it a lot on the .40 S&W models such as the 22 or 23. The problem is that in order to increase more reliable feeding as well as to make the gun cycle more reliably, Glocks have more of their chambers cut away, which leaves parts of the case unsupported. They count on the casing to hold in the powder load. I think it happens mostly on the larger cartridges such as 10mm Auto, .40 S&W or .45ACP. Haven't heard of it happening on any of the .45GAP models though. I'm personally not a big fan of Glock pistols. I don't find them very visually appealing and I hate the lack of a manual safety. And I really, really dislike the trigger they make on it. They need to take off the little lever in the trigger, and just go to a solid double action trigger and put a manual safety on it. I'm a 1911 man, but I think there are many other designs that are better than Glock's. For example, Sig Sauer or H&K. Or Springfield's XD series. S&W Sigma. I mean the list goes on and on. I won't buy a Glock for the reasons I mentioned above. Right now, all I own are 1911s and one H&K USP .45.

:I'm a bit confused. You say that you do not like Glock pistols because you find them unattractive and you prefer a manual safety, both of which are valid reasons. But then you claim that designs from SIG Sauer, H&K USP, the Springfield XD, and the S&W Sigma -- all of which, save for a few specialty models, do not have a manual safety -- are superior to the Glock design. That just doesn't make sense. It's perfectly fine to dislike Glock pistols, but to claim that they are inferior to other designs for lacking a manual safety, when those very other designs also lack manual safeties, is rather odd. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.83.179|68.39.83.179]] 22:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

::I've only had hands-on experience with the Glock 21 myself. Me and my sister shot one on my birthday this year, and she had the Glock malfunction on her too, albeit not nearly as severely as the incidents mentioned above. She pulled the trigger and the weapon failed to discharge. When I cleared the chamber, I found that the pin had missed the primer and struck the back of the casing. After that though we didn't have any further problems with the weapon, that being the only round out of 50 we put through the Glock 21 that had a misfire. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 03:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Not sure on the Sigma, but the XD has a grip safety, and most sigs have de-cockers. I don't know if those meets your definition of 'manual safety', but they're certainly more than glock has.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

==Glock 18==
what would a fully automatic pistol be used for? VIPs protection and CQC
There was a fad for such machine pistols (VP-70 and M-93R for other examples).

But the Personal defense weapon have taken this firearm nitch and more. Rex095

Sort of like lasers when they first came out.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

what do you mean? about the lasers

Lasers were thought to be the end-all substitute for irons yet now they are just seen as a gimmick.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

It's not really a gimmick today. People still use lasers to aim, distract someone by aiming at their eyes and for small frame guns where the iron sights are bad, like a pocket gun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

== Generation 4 Glocks ==

I realized that the page is laking the Gen 4 Glock 17 and Gen 4 Glock 22 --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 17:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Added the Gen 4 model for Glock 22--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 17:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:The picture you posted is not a 4th Generation Glock; it is an RTF (Rough Texture Frame) model, which is not the same thing. The main difference between the 4th Gen Glocks and older models is that they now have removable backstraps. And anyway, we don't need the picture until we know they've appeared in movies (and at the rate armorers buy new pistols, no time soon.) IMFDB's policy is that we don't need a picture of every variant of a gun that has ever existed (at least not on the gun's page), and ''especially'' if it hasn't appeared in anything yet. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Well that and the fact that the 4th Generation also has a captive recoil spring, but of course how in the hell do you show that? Shot a 4th Gen G17 today at the range. Very nice. Recovery is all that much faster. I was impressed. The company will be coming out with the 4th Gen G19 in a month or so. However the 4th Gen G21SF isn't due out until next year. Sorry 45 acp mafia. I was talking to one of the corporate guys so I feel confident that he knows what he's talking about. Anyway just some nice to know trivia.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 05:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Glock 34 ==

Just looking at the section for the [[Glock 34]], only [[End of Days]] and [[Man on Fire]]. In both movies, It's used by the Main Character to attempt suicide. That's gonna be a good ad campaign: "''When You Can't Go On Anymore, Reach For Your Glock 34''"

==1st Generation==
Did the first generation of Glock pistols feature anything other than the Glock 17? I've seen second and third generation versions of nearly every model, but the only first generation pistols I've ever seen are Glock 17s. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

A small number of first generation Glock 19's were made. - [[User:Right Wing Gun Nut|Right Wing Gun Nut]]

It should have only been in the glock 17...and you shouldn't see one easily because they didn't meet ATF regulation until the generation 2.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

What reg did they not meet?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

:1st Gen Glock 19s do exist, but they're very rare, because Glock went to the checkered front/backstraps on all of its pistols shortly after production began. Also, the Glock 17L and Glock 18 both exist in 1st generation incarnations (though they're also pretty rare). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

::So there were other 1st generation models than the 17, but were all 1st generation guns 9mms? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

To meet American ATF regulations, a steel plate with a stamped serial number was embedded into the dust cover in front of the trigger guard for generation 2. I have seen no evidence of a first generation glock being in any other model than the 17. Even the people that claim they have a generation 1 glock 19 still only show pictures of a generation 2...so i would need to see proof on anything other model being in generation 1. but my knowledge is limited to what's available in the normal U.S.A. for some glock models are not legal to have in the states.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

:Gen 1 Glock 19s do exist. Check out [http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=887305 this topic] from GlockTalk. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

==Other models==
Why were the models that were removed before put back? I thought IMFDB didn't allow sections for variants of a gun that haven't appeared in any media. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::See Stan's post below, and also the Glock 20 that was deleted actually WAS in something. When we went to link it, surprise, it wasn't there because it had been removed. Not a good thing. Any SERIES of guns, do not remove the interim gun series entries ever. They are there for continuity in the SERIES of models. The only guns we remove are the weird single gun entries that some member jacked off of google and won't appear in a movie, etc. ever, and if they do, only then do we create the page. The only exception is guns that are in active armorer inventory NOW. That means that there is a much HIGHER chance of them being seen, and we need the gun pics to help members positively ID them. Hope this helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::When the Glock variants were initially deleted I mentioned that having gaps in the list of different models seemed odd, yet those who deleted them responded that any weapons or variants of weapons that have not appeared in media are subject to deletion. I like that the different variants have been restored to the list, I was just curious as to what the procedure was for guns that are variants of weapons that have appeared in films though that specific variant had not since I had heard conflicting information. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::::- Yeah, that was me. I found it irksome to have several models (mainly new ones), that weren't listed or even linked to anything, it was annoying to me. I still think that in regards to the newest 30 model guns, but that's just me. BUT, as MPM said, they are still standard guns of the same series, and many are in inventory, so they'll be used in something eventually (If indeed they haven't already and we just don't have pages, etc). I think the main problem was getting rid of older guns like the 20 that are ''definitely'' in stuff already and should be there accordingly. A couple of the other guns are also linked to pages but just don't have them listed - I'll go ahead and add the listing(s) myself if they're listed on complete pages and/or positively ID'd. Otherwise, you could just say they're being proactive. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

-Original Reply- 
I replaced the sections I previously deleted by request of MoviePropMaster2008. Essentially they are for reference right now. However, there are also a sort of placeholder as well - MPM has stated on other pages that such guns are in movie inventory, so eventually they'll get listings/entries - As such, the sections are to remain so that they don't have to be re-created later. A couple of the guns are already linked on pages I believe, but the pages may not be complete or they may not be listed for some other reason. I did remove them because at the time they weren't featured in anything, but it really wasn't my call to remove them in the first place. (EDIT - removed MPM's paraphrased personal message to me, as he posted himself). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::I should point that I am highly skeptical of some of the Glocks IDs that are supposedly [[Glock 20]]s. The episode of ''[[Psych]]'' in which [[John Cena]] supposedly uses a Glock 20 is wrong; I've seen that episode, and he uses a Glock 17L. I'm equally doubtful that the Glock 20 appears in Season 4 of ''[[24]]''. Since we know that (as a rule) movie armorers rarely use any Glocks that aren't 9x19mm, I can't help but wonder if people are going to be tempted to mis-identify Glocks if they see these other variants on the page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Fair enough, and I'm not defending some of these questionable attributions, but I had to replace a pic for a VIDEO game where the gun was a specific variant of weapon (and was specifically NAMED in the game as an off caliber variant), so we still needed the section. Also foreign helmed films don't have the ammo biases that we in the States do ;) the sheer CHANCE that folks will mis-identify the gun is not reason enough to NOT have the section. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:44, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

:::- Well, in the case of those shows, I'll remove the TV subsection until they're confirmed. I will put in the VG entries, though, as they aren't questionable. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::::Whoa whoa whoa STOP!!!!! Don't remove ANYTHING!!! IMFDB users should look long and hard and try to correctly ID guns, but for now just creating a BLANK space is unacceptable. What is WITH this rush to delete everything all of a sudden? If you don't have correct info to replace it with, DON'T DELETE IT! YOu can put a disclaimer on the various discussion pages (that there may be a question as to whether or not the gun ID is correct), but I dont' want to start seeing blocks of empty space. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::- Uh, wait a minute, the only thing I removed was the TV section for the Glock 20, and that's it. Nothing else. Most of the gun sections I replaced from the other day were '''already blank''' - they didn't have anything before. Again, the TV listing subsection for the Glock 20 section was the '''only''' thing I've removed since I put all the other guns back, and I've since already restored it. Outside of that and adding some subsections to a couple of the guns, I haven't touched the rest of the page. Not trying to give ya a headache MPM, but I really haven't done that much this time, honest. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I was just reeling from the previous Glock debacle where I spent an entire morning rephotographing a Glock variant, only to realize later that it had been previously there, but deleted. My brain is still traumatized ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::- Yeah, I still feel real bad about that.. I'll probably never live that down. Bah. ;b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

==First appearance==
I remember one of our movie pages pointing out that that film was the first appearance of a Glock Pistol in a movie. Does anyone know which movie that was because I can't remember.

: Don't know. The earliest-set movie page I can immediately spot a Glock (Glock 17) on is [[To Live and Die in L.A.]] (1985), but I'm not certain if that is it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

That's not it. We have a page of a movie from the early 80s where the page explicitly states that this is the first appearance of a Glock in film.

:
::I'm pretty skeptical that ''[[To Live and Die in L.A.]]'' features a Glock, because they were not being imported to this country for the civilian market at the time the movie was filmed. Though I guess I'd have to see the movie to be sure. Season 3 of ''[[Miami Vice - Season 3|Miami Vice]]'' featured a Glock 17 in one episode (which was used by [[Don Johnson]]), and that's the earliest documented appearance of a Glock that we have on this site so far besides ''To Live and Die in L.A.''.

::''We have a page of a movie from the early 80s where the page explicitly states that this is the first appearance of a Glock in film.''

::Which page? I just checked all of the pages which feature our 1st gen Glock 17 picture, and didn't see any movies from the early-80s. Also, I'm skeptical because the first Glock 17s available to civilians didn't start coming into the U.S. until 1985, so it's pretty much impossible for any movie/TV show filmed before that to feature a Glock (unless it was filmed in Europe or some other country where Glocks were available sooner). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:15, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:::- Not to increase the load, but it might be worth checking under the second gen picture also. After all, not pages pages use the accurate gun picture, whether because they didn't know about the specific differences/generation release dates when they made the page or because the Gen 1 picture wasn't actually around and no one updated the thumbnail. Just a thought. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I have tried watching To Live and Die in L.A. and get a better cap, it just looks like a black gun to me. [[Johnny Handsome]] featured a Glock, it was released in '89. There's got to be a film before that. That Miami Vice episode aired Jan '87. Good idea about checking the 2nd gen pic. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

::::Point taken on the 2nd Gen G17 pic, I forgot about that. But I don't envy the person who has to sort through all the pages on which it appears (nearly 250 in total, last I looked). But I can still tell y'all that you're highly unlikely to see a Glock in any movie made before 1985, for the reason I mentioned earlier. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:: That's not even counting those that ''don't'' have a gun image, or.. well, you get the point. Bah. I'm afraid we may not find out what page it is, unless Anon's memory gets better. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I just checked all of the page links for all three Glock 17 images. So far, I can't find any movies or TV shows other than the ones mentioned previously that have featured Glocks. Of course, there is still the possibility that somebody forgot to put ''any'' image for some movie that featured a Glock, but I imagine we'd have caught that by now.

:::So, I have reached the following conclusion:

:::*Season 3 of ''[[Miami Vice - Season 3|Miami Vice]]'' is the first media appearance of a Glock 17, movie or TV.
:::*''[[Johnny Handsome]]'' is the first known movie to feature a Glock 17.

:::Unless someone finds any earlier appearances (and has the screencaps to prove it), these are the first media appearances of Glocks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

: Well, it's a page done by Pred, and the section says 'one of the earliest appearances of a Glock', so that's probably what Anonymous was talking about. If not, then we need to kill him for even bringing this up. :b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that is the page I was talking about, I just couldn't remember it. Please don't kill me. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::: Sure, but only because you said please. Mystery solved then? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

::Wow look at that, I don't even like Glocks. I don't know if either of you two have seen Johnny Handsome. The gun dealer gave a little explanation about the gun, made in Austria, plastic etc. I just glad it beat Die Hard 2. When I wrote the comment I figured another film had to have featured it before JH that's why I said one of the earliest uses not the first. Unless another comes up with an appearance before JH, [[Mickey Rourke]] has both the first usage of the Desert Eagle and Glock in a film.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright I changed both the pages. If someone has better wording to use, go for it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Removal of Variants that have not been seen in media ==

I was just re-reading the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page and was wondering if anyone has a problem removing the Glock models 24, 28, 29, and 37 - 39 as they have yet to appear in any movies/anime/games. It looks like alot of effort was put into this page so I just want check before making any changes.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 06:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
::'''Good thing you asked, since I would have been pretty pissed at you if you made such a major change without checking first.''' We've had this come up before. A previous member took it upon himself to remove a Glock variant which has not listed, and then, BEHOLD! it was obviously apparent in some movie or tv listing, so ANOTHER member, seeing that we didn't have the section (it had been deleted) copied a jacked GOOGLE image of the gun and re-created the section. I, seeing a CRAP google image thought "hmmm, I could have sworn I photographed that type of Glock for this page already", so I spent the entire morning rephotographing that model of Glock for the Glock page. When I tried to re-upload the photo, IMFDB warned me that this photo already existed. I was "WTF?" By tracking down the history of the page, I tracked down the member who DELETED the glock section and admonished them that it was just creating problems, since a few days AFTER he deleted it, the model appeared in something. So the rule is: DON'T REMOVE ANY VARIANTS on ANY PAGE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE MPM MOVIE ARMORY PHOTOGRAPHS (which were done specifically FOR IMFDB). Thanks for your attention in this matter :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:I would leave it, Glocks are hard to tell apart sometimes. So it's good to have all the models on the page for reference. It's not like a user creating an entire new page for a gun that hasn't appeared.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 06:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

:::Damn propmaster no need to yell man. There's a reason I asked in here first. Maybe you should add the blurb about not removing variants pictured by armorers in the rules section. That's the only reason I brought up the question in the first place.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 06:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::::It's not yelling, it's emphasizing. And sorry if it seemed that way. As for the emphasis, it was for all members. You at least asked, but I must emphasize again, if any member MUST do something, try adding to lame pages, resist the temptation to delete other people's work. Leave that to the mods, unless its something ridiculous. MPM

== Numbers ==
Anyone know how Glock comes up with the numbers for their handguns?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

They are in the order that they were released...starting with the model 17 for it was the 17th patient to get it what it is today. But some people say that the original name came because it holds 17rds then in the order they were released--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

:Another theory is, if Wikipedia is to be believed, that the Austrian army set out a list of 17 requirements when they were looking for a new pistol to replace the Walther P38. In order for any pistol to be considered for the trials, it had to pass all 17 requirements. The Glock was called the 17 because it was designed specifically with thes standards in mind. Even if this isn't the source of the name, it's still an amusing coincidence. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

== Glock 30 & Glock 36 ==

Can someone explain the Difference between the Glock 30 and Glock 36. They both look like Sub-Compact Glocks in 45. ACP. [[Image:Glock30.jpg|thumb|200px|none|Glock 30 .45 ACP]][[Image:Glock36.jpg|thumb|200px|none|Glock 36 .45 ACP]]
:Glock 36 is a single stack, Glock 30 is a double stack. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Not to mention the Glock 36, while subcompact like the 30, also sports a slimline frame, just 1.13 inches wide and roughly six inches long.--[[User:LordOfTheLocusts|LordOfTheLocusts]] 13:50, 18 December 2011 (CST)

== 18 vs 18C? ==

Just wondering, is there any difference between the Glock 18 and Glock 18C? I think the proper name is 18C, but correct me if I'm wrong.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:26, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
:The C models include a built-in compensator, noted by a rectangular slot cut out in the top-front section of the slide and the compensator ports in the barrel. And yes, 18C is the correct name. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:18, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Full Auto? ==

Can other Glock pistols be converted to fire in full-auto, like the Glock 17-impersonating-Glock 18? Specifically, the 19 and 21 models? [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 18:21, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:Probably yes. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:46, 17 October 2011 (CDT)
::I've seen FA conversions of the Glock 19, 20, 22, and 26. Also shot a FA conversion 17. Fun weapons but not quite as reliable as a factory conversion IMO. Then again the 17 had been shot all day.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:35, 18 October 2011 (CDT)

In the Dark Knight the joker uses a glock 17 converted to fire full auto.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:44, 21 January 2012 (CST)

== Glocks in shooters ==

hey yall i was just wondering if you knew if their were any FPS games that included a normal glock. when i say normal i mean all minus the 18, it is a ridiculous gun and has very little practical use. my preference is the Glock 21 but i would like to no if there is any notable games that have any model (minus 18) thanks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 20:37, 17 October 2011 (CDT)
:Did you even try looking in the listings on the page? Because I see several listed there.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:31, 17 October 2011 (CDT)

::And the Glock 18 is not a ridiculous weapon and ''is'' practical if you know how to use it right (especially the "C" model). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:44, 17 October 2011 (CDT)

== .380 ACP Glocks ==

Hey all. I edited the Glock 25 and 28 sections to say:

*The Glock 28/25 will very likely never be seen in an American produced film because it is illegal to import in the United States. Since that the ATF ruled it as having no sporting purpose, the only way it will be featured in a film is if the movie is completely produced in a foreign country that has maximum caliber restrictions.

These guns have a less than .01% chance of being seen in films. Just giving a heads up --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 08:04, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, or if the ATF changes the rules (I know, yeah right, but it's not impossible), or if it's an Airsoft gun or mock-up, or it's stock footage, or a dozen other ways you could probably think up. Try to avoid attempting to predict the future on a gun page. Also, "completely produced?" Haven't you ever heard of "on location?" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:28, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

*Airsoft doesn't make Glock 25/28's, on top of the fact that it's now illegal to produce Glock mock ups now because Glock sued for patent infringement a year or two back. This includes the S&W Sigma series (Glock clones), Airsoft guns, and blank guns. Even if the gun could be used, do you know how hard it is to make a straight blowback gun fire blanks? It just isn't worth the effort. The ATF will not change the rules unless the supreme court miraculously changes the law, which is next to 0% unless people start voting with their brains. Lastly, "on location" filming still has American owned guns used, therefore those Glocks will not be seen. Trust me man, it ain't happening.

PS. I saw your edit on the Glock 25. The Glock 25 can't be imported no matter what. Law enforcement or not, they CAN'T. Also, Brazil has a maximum energy ban (nothing bigger than .380 for handguns,) not a "military caliber" ban. I'm going to fix those parts. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 09:30, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

:On location filming doesn't necessarily have American guns used. ''Rambo III'', for example, was American-produced but filmed partly in Israel and used stocks of weapons that would be impossible to get in the US, such as real DShK machine guns. The same arrangement (location filming with a local armourer) would make it far from impossible for these weapons to appear in a US-produced movie. Also, I'm fairly sure you're wrong. Here's the section of the relevant law:

:"If importing NFA and non-sporting weapons, please ensure an official government contract, purchase order, or letter typed on official law enforcement and/or government letterhead, bearing the original signature of the chief law enforcement official having jurisdiction over that area, is attached to the completed Form 6."

:The 25 is a "non-sporting weapon" because it fails the import test, but that doesn't stop a government or law enforcement ''agency'' buying it. It does mean ''individual'' officers can't import them, though.

:Also, IIRC didn't Glock do something weird like trademark the shape of their weapons rather than sue for patents? I think H&K did the same with the MP5 at about the same time. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:45, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Pretty much. They sued because the imitations were substantially identical to the iconic Glock shape. Just so you know, the Glock company is a bunch of jerks.

When it comes to using other country's armorers/weapons, it usually doesn't happen. Rambo can be the exception, but 99.99% of the time it's cheaper to mock up existing weapons and use your own armorer than to go out of the way for the real deal when usually no one will know the difference.

Also, that ATF letter is only true in name only. Regardless of signatures or agency, the request to import still has to be approved by the ATF, which it NEVER is. Look around. There are no post '86 machine guns or "non sporting" weapons used by ANY LE agency in the US (not talking about the ARMY/NAVY/Etc.) because the letters are NEVER approved. There's a couple A1 M16's with A2 uppers and MP5's with a pre '86 trigger group in use, but that's about it for LE agencies special guns usage, and all of those are pre '86 weapons.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:35, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, and a LE agency isn't going to be jumping through hoops to buy a .380 ACP pistol anyway, but it's enough to say that only LE and government could even ''theoretically'' import them according to the law for purposes of the page; it's ''not'' true to say they can't legally be imported when the law says they can be. I do agree with you that it's stunningly unlikely for a number of reasons, I just dislike terms like "impossible" being thrown around because I'm horribly pedantic. :) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:40, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Agreed. Especially when they can pick up a just-as-good Beretta 84 without the blinking of an eye. I noticed you live in England. Here in America, there are a couple laws which supposedly make certain things allowable with the right approval, however approval never comes and those permits are deemed impossible to obtain.

Some states allow the carrying of a handgun at 18 years old, but Sheriffs won't sign off on it, well just because. In New Jersey, you are allowed to carry a handgun, but to get the permit you need a "justifiable cause," and it happens that the only justifiable one they see is carrying more than $500,000 a day for work. Apparently my self defense isn't important enough to them. It's the same with the ATF. They don't like it, you can't have it. Unfortunately it isn't constitutional, but the judges here don't quite have the guts to end their illegal rule right now. Thanks for reading my rant ;) --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, everywhere has laws that technically exist but aren't enforced properly. Though ours mostly tend to have more to do with extremely precise ways for it to be legal to murder the Welsh. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:56, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Bingo. Nice job with the edit too by the way --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 12:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Hollywood is not the only people that make Movies...In fact there are hundreds of movies made every year without america having anything to do with them...and most of the time they are better off for it. Just because a gun is outlawed in the USA does not mean that it cant be used by another country that might decide to make a movie that may some day grace the pages of IMFDB.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:40, 21 January 2012 (CST)

== Glock 18 selector switch ==

Is the slide mounted selector switch on the Glock 18 on both sides of the slide or just the left side? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:34, 8 January 2012 (CST)
:Left side only --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:56, 8 January 2012 (CST)
::Well that complicates things. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:08, 8 January 2012 (CST)

== Naming of glocks ==

Does anyone know the story behind the naming of the Glocks? Why did they start with 17? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 21:26, 20 January 2012 (CST)
:The Glock 17 holds 17 rounds, but where they went from there I have no idea.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:00, 20 January 2012 (CST)
::Is that REALLY why its called the Glock 17?!?! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 22:01, 20 January 2012 (CST)

No its not. It came from one of these two things:
The Glock 17 was called the Glock 17 because it was Gaston Glock's 17th patent.
OR
There were 17 criteria the Austrian military had for their new pistol, that the Glock was made to meet.

Its pretty up in the air, and I've heard both stories from GLOCK reps.
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 10:03, 21 January 2012 (CST)

all the other numbers are in order in which they where made and interduced...the 17 being the first production model followed by the 18 and so on. So the 10mm models where made and interduced before the .45acp models.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:43, 21 January 2012 (CST)

== Stupid question ==

I have kind of a stupid question but why do people think glocks suck so much? or at least people think there not that good of a gun?--Gunner5

Maybe people never had shoot Glocks.And they probably think: "Oh,it's plastic! What an awful pistol! I better use my full-metal 1911!"
But,it's just my opinion. Actually,I have the same question. :) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 03:07, 29 February 2012 (CST)

:This is pretty comprehensive: http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/gindex2.html Apparently it's mostly to do with [http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/upgrade-faq.html this] and [http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/phase3.html this] happening back in the nineties, and the [http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html pressure failures] and [http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/problems.html slide rail failures] a bit later. People tend to get nervous about a pistol that they've heard might blow their fingers off or try to insert its slide into their nose, no matter how unlikely it actually is (and even after the problem itself has been solved, most of the time). Along with the fact that everything popular accumulates people saying it sucks, obviously. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:35, 29 February 2012 (CST)

Some people just don't like the feel of them. I personally don't like the Gen 3 Glocks; the grip angle is wrong for me, and the magazine release is just god awful. Glock fixed these issues (for me, anyway) with the Gen 4s. Now if they could just make steel sights standard... --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:05, 29 February 2012 (CST)

Act of Valor

2012-02-17T02:55:40Z

TheDon: /* Glock 17 */

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[[File:Actofvalorteaserposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Teaser poster for ''Act of Valor'' (2012)]]

'''''Act of Valor''''' is a 2012 war film directed by Mike McCoy that focuses on a team of U.S. Navy SEALs who embark on a covert mission to rescue a CIA agent and foil a terrorist plot. The film was made in collaboration with the United States Navy and all of the SEALs that appear in the film are active-duty members. All pictures are from the trailer.

'''The following weapons are seen in the film ''Act of Valor'':'''
__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Glock 17==
A full size Glock model, most likely a [[Glock 17]], is seen in the holster of a guard being dragged underwater by one of the SEALs.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|450px|2nd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:AOV-MP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock is seen in the guard's holster as he is dragged underwater.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==

A guard holds an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] while silently taken out by a SEAL sniper.
[[Image:H&KMP5-N.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5-N an A2 model with a Navy Trigger Group - 9x19mm]]
[[File:AOV-MP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP5A2 is seen as the guard is dragged underwater.]]
=Assault Rilfes=
==Heckler & Koch HK91==

An enemy soldier is seen with what appears to be a [[Heckler & Koch HK91]] rifle.

[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|HK91-A2 Rifle with Standard Stock ''Note lack of third position for automatic fire'' - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:AOV-HK91-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The enemy soldier on the left is seen with what appears to be a [[Heckler & Koch HK91]] rifle. ]]

==Kalashnikov Rifle==

A [[AK-47|AK-series]] rifle of unknown type is held by an enemy gunman.

[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Final Production version of the Type III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:AOV-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard drops his AK rifle as the door is blown open.]]
==M4A1 Carbine==

[[M4A1]] carbines in various configurations are carried and used by the U.S. Navy SEALs in the film.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:AOV-M4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL holds an M4A1 carbine that's fitted with an EOTech 553 sight and AN/PEQ-15 laser module.]]
[[File:AOV-M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two SEALs dive for cover while carrying their M4A1's.]]
[[File:AOV-M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A SEAL emerges from the water armed with the M4A1 fitted with weaponlight.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SR25/Mark 11 Variant==

One SEAL in the trailer appears to be using an [[Knight's Armament SR-25|SR25/Mark 11]] type sniper rifle.

[[Image:SR25.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Knight's Armament SR-25 with suppressor and Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO (''Note magazine design and lack of forward assist, an important difference between the SR-25 and the 5.56x45mm [[M16 rifle series#Mk 12 Special Purpose Rifle|Mk 12 SPR]]'')]]
[[File:AoVSR25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SEAL on the right appears armed with an SR25/Mark 11 type rifle.]]
=Machine Guns=
==FN M240G==
[[FN_MAG#M240_Machine_Gun|M240G]] machine guns can be seen in deck mounts on the SEALs' SOC-R (Special Operations Craft - Riverine).

[[Image:Fn mag g.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240G - USMC style with no heat shield - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[File:AoVMag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dual FN M240 general purpose machine guns mounted on the SOC-R.]]
[[File:AoVSOC-R.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wider shot of the SOC-R. M240Gs can be seen in mounts; one tilted back on the left side of the screen and two in a dual mount in the background.]]

==FN M249 Para==

Three [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249 Para]] light machine guns can be seen used by three SEALs to lay down a wall of suppressive fire.

[[Image:M249ParaModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249 Paratrooper - a real blank adapted movie gun with bipod folded and a Picatinny rail on the top of the feed tray cover - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:AoVMinimi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SEAL automatic riflemen with M249s.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==

Special Warfare Combatant Craft (SWCC) Crewmen aboard a SOC-R boat fire a [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|GAU-17/A Minigun]] during an assault.

[[File:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|350px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:AOV-M134-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brass goes flying as the GAU-17/A is fired.]]

==M60D==

A possible [[M60D#M60D_Machine_Gun|M60D]] mounted machine gun can be seen in the door of a Sea Hawk helicopter.

[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:AoVM60Helo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The door gunner of a US Navy Sea Hawk helicopter opens fire with (what appears to be) an M60D machine gun]]

=Launchers=

==M72 LAW==

A SEAL is seen taking out an enemy vehicle with an [[M72 LAW]].

[[Image:M72lawopen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[File:AOV-LAW-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL is seen taking out an enemy vehicle with an [[M72 LAW]].]]

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Act of Valor

2012-02-17T02:55:15Z

TheDon: /* Glock 17 */

{{upcoming}}
[[File:Actofvalorteaserposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Teaser poster for ''Act of Valor'' (2012)]]

'''''Act of Valor''''' is a 2012 war film directed by Mike McCoy that focuses on a team of U.S. Navy SEALs who embark on a covert mission to rescue a CIA agent and foil a terrorist plot. The film was made in collaboration with the United States Navy and all of the SEALs that appear in the film are active-duty members. All pictures are from the trailer.

'''The following weapons are seen in the film ''Act of Valor'':'''
__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Glock 17==
A full size Glock model, most likely a [[Glock 17]], is seen in the holster of a guard being dragged underwater by one of the SEALs.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|right|450px|2nd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:AOV-MP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock is seen in the guard's holster as he is dragged underwater.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==

A guard holds an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] while silently taken out by a SEAL sniper.
[[Image:H&KMP5-N.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5-N an A2 model with a Navy Trigger Group - 9x19mm]]
[[File:AOV-MP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP5A2 is seen as the guard is dragged underwater.]]
=Assault Rilfes=
==Heckler & Koch HK91==

An enemy soldier is seen with what appears to be a [[Heckler & Koch HK91]] rifle.

[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|HK91-A2 Rifle with Standard Stock ''Note lack of third position for automatic fire'' - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:AOV-HK91-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The enemy soldier on the left is seen with what appears to be a [[Heckler & Koch HK91]] rifle. ]]

==Kalashnikov Rifle==

A [[AK-47|AK-series]] rifle of unknown type is held by an enemy gunman.

[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Final Production version of the Type III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:AOV-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard drops his AK rifle as the door is blown open.]]
==M4A1 Carbine==

[[M4A1]] carbines in various configurations are carried and used by the U.S. Navy SEALs in the film.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:AOV-M4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL holds an M4A1 carbine that's fitted with an EOTech 553 sight and AN/PEQ-15 laser module.]]
[[File:AOV-M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two SEALs dive for cover while carrying their M4A1's.]]
[[File:AOV-M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A SEAL emerges from the water armed with the M4A1 fitted with weaponlight.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SR25/Mark 11 Variant==

One SEAL in the trailer appears to be using an [[Knight's Armament SR-25|SR25/Mark 11]] type sniper rifle.

[[Image:SR25.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Knight's Armament SR-25 with suppressor and Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO (''Note magazine design and lack of forward assist, an important difference between the SR-25 and the 5.56x45mm [[M16 rifle series#Mk 12 Special Purpose Rifle|Mk 12 SPR]]'')]]
[[File:AoVSR25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SEAL on the right appears armed with an SR25/Mark 11 type rifle.]]
=Machine Guns=
==FN M240G==
[[FN_MAG#M240_Machine_Gun|M240G]] machine guns can be seen in deck mounts on the SEALs' SOC-R (Special Operations Craft - Riverine).

[[Image:Fn mag g.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240G - USMC style with no heat shield - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[File:AoVMag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dual FN M240 general purpose machine guns mounted on the SOC-R.]]
[[File:AoVSOC-R.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wider shot of the SOC-R. M240Gs can be seen in mounts; one tilted back on the left side of the screen and two in a dual mount in the background.]]

==FN M249 Para==

Three [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249 Para]] light machine guns can be seen used by three SEALs to lay down a wall of suppressive fire.

[[Image:M249ParaModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249 Paratrooper - a real blank adapted movie gun with bipod folded and a Picatinny rail on the top of the feed tray cover - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:AoVMinimi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SEAL automatic riflemen with M249s.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==

Special Warfare Combatant Craft (SWCC) Crewmen aboard a SOC-R boat fire a [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|GAU-17/A Minigun]] during an assault.

[[File:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|350px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:AOV-M134-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brass goes flying as the GAU-17/A is fired.]]

==M60D==

A possible [[M60D#M60D_Machine_Gun|M60D]] mounted machine gun can be seen in the door of a Sea Hawk helicopter.

[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:AoVM60Helo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The door gunner of a US Navy Sea Hawk helicopter opens fire with (what appears to be) an M60D machine gun]]

=Launchers=

==M72 LAW==

A SEAL is seen taking out an enemy vehicle with an [[M72 LAW]].

[[Image:M72lawopen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[File:AOV-LAW-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL is seen taking out an enemy vehicle with an [[M72 LAW]].]]

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Act of Valor

2012-02-17T02:51:29Z

TheDon:

{{upcoming}}
[[File:Actofvalorteaserposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Teaser poster for ''Act of Valor'' (2012)]]

'''''Act of Valor''''' is a 2012 war film directed by Mike McCoy that focuses on a team of U.S. Navy SEALs who embark on a covert mission to rescue a CIA agent and foil a terrorist plot. The film was made in collaboration with the United States Navy and all of the SEALs that appear in the film are active-duty members. All pictures are from the trailer.

'''The following weapons are seen in the film ''Act of Valor'':'''
__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Glock 17==
A full size Glock model, most likely a [[Glock 17]], is seen in the holster of a guard being dragged underwater by one of the SEALs.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:AOV-MP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock is seen in the guard's holster as he is dragged underwater.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==

A guard holds an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] while silently taken out by a SEAL sniper.
[[Image:H&KMP5-N.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5-N an A2 model with a Navy Trigger Group - 9x19mm]]
[[File:AOV-MP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP5A2 is seen as the guard is dragged underwater.]]
=Assault Rilfes=
==Heckler & Koch HK91==

An enemy soldier is seen with what appears to be a [[Heckler & Koch HK91]] rifle.

[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|HK91-A2 Rifle with Standard Stock ''Note lack of third position for automatic fire'' - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:AOV-HK91-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The enemy soldier on the left is seen with what appears to be a [[Heckler & Koch HK91]] rifle. ]]

==Kalashnikov Rifle==

A [[AK-47|AK-series]] rifle of unknown type is held by an enemy gunman.

[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Final Production version of the Type III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:AOV-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard drops his AK rifle as the door is blown open.]]
==M4A1 Carbine==

[[M4A1]] carbines in various configurations are carried and used by the U.S. Navy SEALs in the film.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:AOV-M4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL holds an M4A1 carbine that's fitted with an EOTech 553 sight and AN/PEQ-15 laser module.]]
[[File:AOV-M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two SEALs dive for cover while carrying their M4A1's.]]
[[File:AOV-M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A SEAL emerges from the water armed with the M4A1 fitted with weaponlight.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SR25/Mark 11 Variant==

One SEAL in the trailer appears to be using an [[Knight's Armament SR-25|SR25/Mark 11]] type sniper rifle.

[[Image:SR25.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Knight's Armament SR-25 with suppressor and Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO (''Note magazine design and lack of forward assist, an important difference between the SR-25 and the 5.56x45mm [[M16 rifle series#Mk 12 Special Purpose Rifle|Mk 12 SPR]]'')]]
[[File:AoVSR25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SEAL on the right appears armed with an SR25/Mark 11 type rifle.]]
=Machine Guns=
==FN M240G==
[[FN_MAG#M240_Machine_Gun|M240G]] machine guns can be seen in deck mounts on the SEALs' SOC-R (Special Operations Craft - Riverine).

[[Image:Fn mag g.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240G - USMC style with no heat shield - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[File:AoVMag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dual FN M240 general purpose machine guns mounted on the SOC-R.]]
[[File:AoVSOC-R.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wider shot of the SOC-R. M240Gs can be seen in mounts; one tilted back on the left side of the screen and two in a dual mount in the background.]]

==FN M249 Para==

Three [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249 Para]] light machine guns can be seen used by three SEALs to lay down a wall of suppressive fire.

[[Image:M249ParaModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249 Paratrooper - a real blank adapted movie gun with bipod folded and a Picatinny rail on the top of the feed tray cover - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:AoVMinimi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SEAL automatic riflemen with M249s.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==

Special Warfare Combatant Craft (SWCC) Crewmen aboard a SOC-R boat fire a [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|GAU-17/A Minigun]] during an assault.

[[File:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|350px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:AOV-M134-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brass goes flying as the GAU-17/A is fired.]]

==M60D==

A possible [[M60D#M60D_Machine_Gun|M60D]] mounted machine gun can be seen in the door of a Sea Hawk helicopter.

[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:AoVM60Helo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The door gunner of a US Navy Sea Hawk helicopter opens fire with (what appears to be) an M60D machine gun]]

=Launchers=

==M72 LAW==

A SEAL is seen taking out an enemy vehicle with an [[M72 LAW]].

[[Image:M72lawopen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[File:AOV-LAW-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL is seen taking out an enemy vehicle with an [[M72 LAW]].]]

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Talk:SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series

2012-02-10T04:07:04Z

TheDon: /* New P226 */

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==Screen-used SIG-Sauer Pistols==
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun carried and fired by [[Bruce Willis]] in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''.]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Left.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing '''SIG-Sauer P228'''. This weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'', and was carried and fired by [[Clint Eastwood]] in the film. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo; also see their sales page for the weapon, [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00276&Store_Code=TGC&search=228&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= here].]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Right.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The '''SIG-Sauer P228''' from ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'' (seen from the right).]]
[[Image:VirtuosityP228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A two-tone '''SIG-Sauer P228''' (9x19mm) with Wilcox Industries UITC laser and barrel compensator, as used by [[Denzel Washington]] in the film ''[[Virtuosity]]''. The weapon pictured here is the actual screen-used gun from the movie, one of four that were made for the film. One of these guns is re-used in the film ''[[Barb Wire]]''.]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00268 Sopranos Tony Soprano Sig 226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[James Gandolfini]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This specific gun was the one fired onscreen when he, Paulie, and Silvio kill Pussy in Funhouse (2.13). More detailed images and purchasing information on this item can be found at [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00268&Store_Code=TGC&search=Sopranos&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00273 Sopranos Paulie Sig P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P228 pistol with non-functional prop silencer - 9x19mm. This live firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[Tony Sirico]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This gun was fired onscreen in the episode A Hit Is A Hit (1.10) during the scene where Paulie and other members of the Sopranos crew pose as furniture movers and ambush a drug cartel bagman and steal his money. After the hold up, Paulie shoots the man in the head at point blank range before making off with his drug money (IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing the documentation on this gun. Contact them via their website for more detailed images and purchasing information on this item.)]]
[[Image:P00619.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used SIG-Sauer P229 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun has been modified to fire blank rounds only. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see[http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00619&Store_Code=TGC&search=Salt&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:M&MSSIGP229.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Two of the SIG-Sauer P229 pistols used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]'' - 9x19mm.]]

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A reverse Two-Tone SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm (identical configuration to the gun from ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''; this weapon was assembled and photographed specially for IMFDB by [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]).]]
[[Image:sig229Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229 with two-tone finish and Crimson Trace grips 9x19mm]]
[[File:SIG228Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P228 with stainless slide]]
[[Image:X-Five-LW-detail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG Sauer X5 LW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sig-sauerP229DAK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229R - 9x19mm (also chambered for .40 S&W & .357 SIG)]]
[[Image:p226_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R fitted with a weaponlight - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226 tacops.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R Tactical Operations - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226RNAVY.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Navy, older model with traditional trigger - 9x19mm]]
[[File:SIG P226 Combat TB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Combat TB - 9x19m ]]

==P245==
I like the P245. I bought one back in 2000. I owned both the P220 and the P245 for many years and I always found that I shot better with the P245. Eventually traded the P220, but I still have the P245. It's a nice little shooter. But truth be told I did purchase the eight round magazine from Sig. So I guess the P220 Compact just makes more sense. From a business aspect. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==P228==
I'm a bit confused about the P228. I thought that it has been discontinued for about 10 years. But that the Military uses them and I know that SIG recently came out with a P228R model. So my question is: Is it still being produced or not? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

:The P228R is a limited production run weapon. SIG had lots of surplus P228 slides, so they modified them to fit P229R frames (even though the 229 has always been a bit wider than the 228). As for the military's use of the P228, that's just because they bought so many of them in the 1990s that they still have lots in inventory. But the original, non-rail P228 (the version still seen in most movies today) has been out of production since 2000, when the P229 in 9mm was introduced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Ok thank you for clearing that up for me. Much appreciated! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== P220 ==
Is the P220 still manufactured in any caliber other than 45 ACP? I know the .38 super and .30 luger variants were discontinued but many nations have adopted the 9mm version for Police and Military use so it seems odd they would have discontinued it, yet SIG-Sauer's websight only lists it as comming in .45. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Everywhere I've looked for info says no. All modern (Railed I assume) P220's are strictly .45 ACP.
Personally I like this line of thinking, a single stack 9x19mm seems pointless when you can get a P226, or a P229 and carry more rounds. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

The Swiss military is a big user of the P-220 pistol. I wonder if they might have their own production line somewhere (as they did with the Luger) and just do not offer them commercially anymore. Also, SIG as the monolith that it once was is no more, having broken up into various other companies: the SIG-Sauer brand, now based out of Germany (and responsible for the P-220-5, P-226, P229, SIG-556, and all other continued SIG-Sauer firearms), and Swiss Arms, the manufacturer of the SIG-550 series firearms (the 550, 551, 552, and 553), and others. It is possible that the Swiss government procured the machinery after the demise of SIG to produce the P/75 (as I believe the Swiss military calls it) and is producing them for their own uses. This seems all the more likely when it is considered that an officer in the Swiss military is given the option of purchasing his own service sidearm once he leaves the military (and thus a finite stockpile might soon quickly expire). Just for information's sake, an enlisted person within the Swiss military is given the option of actually purchasing his own service weapon once he leaves the service (this is done by sending it back to the manufacturer were it is converted to a semi-automatic only rifle and then sent to the former soldier). The Chilean government had its own license to produce these domestcally through FAMAE (according to Ian Hogg) though this seems to have expired and FAMAE now produces a variant of the CZ-75 and the Japanese government also license produced the design at one point (perhaps through Howa Industries), although this too seems to have expired, and this is once again according to Mr. Hogg. Just some potential explanations.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== P6 hammer notch ==

As I actually own a P6, I, as I am sure many other P6 owners have, became curious of and susequently investigated the notch in the P6's hammer. I have heard various reasons for the P6 hammer's notch, including the theory that it was meant to indicate that the gun was dropped or was meant to prevent an accidental firing if it was indeed dropped. Hoever, I have come across another explanation that to me seems a bit more plausible, that it was meant to stick the loop of a retaining holster into, thereby securing the gun into the holster and preventing a drop. To me this seems to be a more potential explanation as who would want to replace a hammer each time the weapon was dropped, espiecially a SIG (not the cheapest of all firearms) and espiecially a model that SIG discontinued quite some time ago. Even finding extra (affordable) magazines for a P-225/P6 is an ordeal, so why would you try and replace a hammer every time somebody might actually drop it. I don't know, but it just does seem the best explanation to me. Also, I do not speak German, so there might be a resource out there that that I cannot utilize that expressly states the reasons for this peculiarity. Once again, just another potential explanation, what do you guys think?[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Your picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 ==

Your main picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 looks more like a airsoftversion than a real one. The hammer has a slightly different shape than a real P228.

:I don't think it's an airsoft weapon. It was photographed for us by MoviePropMaster2008, who is a movie armorer, so that is a real weapon converted to blank-fire, from his company's inventory. However, he mentioned to me that this particular gun was dropped during a movie shoot and badly damaged, so it had a whole bunch of repairs. He is trying to find a P228 in better condition that he can photograph (preferably, one that was used in a big movie). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Just wondering? ==

Why do many enthusisests and military forces(Navy seals,SAS,ect) perfer this gun? Is it reliability? the different calibers?

Its exceptionally well made and accurate right out of the box, they're durable, there are a variety of options from cosmetic to alternate materials to alternate barrels and rail systems, and there are a wide variety of calibers to choose from. They're solidly built, reliable, and effective weapon platforms. The only real issue is price but if you're buying something that you want to be able to defend yourself with...any time...in any corner of the world.... then the P22# series is a prime choice.
-Double Agent M

Uhm,I'm just wondering.What is that small thing, which is near safe button? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 12:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)

Gonna have to be more specific. Are you talking about the magazine release or the slide release? or are you talking about the takedown lever? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CST)
:And whats the safe button? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:04, 18 January 2012 (CST)

Modern Sigs do not have an external safety. The controls are from the front as follows: Take down lever, hammer decocker for da/sa models (hole if DAK model), and slide release. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
:Generally true, but there are a few single action only variants of the P220 along with the P226 X-Five that have no decocker, and a frame mounted safety behind the slide release. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:19, 19 January 2012 (CST)

==Confirmation==
I feel stupid for asking this but just to make sure, SIG-Sauer P220 series guns have decockers but no manual safeties right? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

There are some SIG 220 series that come with manual safeties. The P220SAO comes to mind.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

And I assume the DAK versions don't have decockers. I should have specified that I was wondering about the DA/SA variants. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Ah, there are no manual safeties on non SAO SIGs.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No problemo.

==P228 vs. 229==
What are the differences between the SIG P228 and P229 other than the fact that the 229 comes in .40 S&W and .357 SIG? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The P226 and P228 were originally manufactured using a stamped-steel slide on an aluminum alloy frame. The P229 consists of a CNC-milled stainless steel slide, typically colored black with a Nitron finish. The P229's milled steel slide was introduced to handle the higher slide velocities created by the .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads, which the stamped slide of the P228 could not handle without the use of a much stiffer recoil spring.
:So stamped vs. milled slide. Alright, thanks. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Quick question about SIGs in films and television==

I understand why SIGs are used by the military, police and weapons enthusiasts but I'm just wondering why they turn up so much in films and TV. Are they easy to convert to blanks and thus is the main go-to guns for armorers or is it SIG doing some covert advertising? I remember in the late 90s to early 00s that Glock had an equivalent presence in film and television. It's nice to see SIGs in action but can't they use a wider range of brands? - [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]]

:In movies and TV, SIGs typically are typically shown in the hands of either FBI Agents (which actually issued them in real life) or military Special Forces (many of which also use them frequently). I would imagine that they are common for this reason alone - there are a lot of movies about elite units and federal agents.

:I don't think it has anything to do with them being easy to convert to blanks, because SIGs have a covered barrel whose lock-up at ejection port needs to be milled down in order for blanks to function reliably (unlike Berettas, which have a reputation for ease of blank conversion due to their open-top slides). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

==SIG-Sauer model used in recent Mythbusters==
I have a short question, in most recent episode of Mythbusters, the trio team testes a myth from Kiss The Girls movie - whether a gun can ignite a room full of gas. They used .44 Magnum, 3rd Gen Glock 17 9x19mm (if I ID'd it correctly) and a SIG-Sauer. The question is what model of SIG-Sauer was used, I'm not sure if it was P239 9x19mm? Also on a side note, they tend to mix the footage of Glock and SIG and also Tory calls the SIG a Glock... (wlw @ 27.11.2010)

== SEALS ==
Does anyone know why the Navy SEALS chose the SIG 226 for their handgun of choice, what handgun it replaced, and why it was chosen over that handgun?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 02:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

When the US held pistol trial to replace the 1911 in the 80's, the final two were the m9 and the P226. The M9 won based on cost alone. The SEALS originally used the M9, but after several catastrophic failures they switched to the runner-up, the 226. That was in the 80's, and they are still using it. Says a lot for SIG... I don't know what the SEALS used before, but I would assume it's some 1911 variant. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:The Navy SEALS also used the Heckler & Koch Mark 23 for a while before switching to the SiG-Sauer P226. Reason being? The H&K Mk 23 was deemed to be a bit of a piece of shit. With a heavy trigger pull and a clunky, unwieldy feel and ability to use, the SEALS kicked that pistol to the curb pretty quick. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 20:53, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
::Form what I heard from people who actually own Mark 23s the trigger pull is better than the USP. :/ I would own a Mark 23 but that's just me, I like big, heavy (actually the Mark 23 only weighs as much as a M1911 handgun), over-engineered weapons that can survive a nuclear explosion. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:15, 5 June 2011 (CDT)

What kind of catastrophic failures was the M9 going through and why didn't other branches replace the M9 with the SIG aside from price?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 17:28, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
: The Slides had a tendency to break; officially as a result of the SEALs using hotter rounds than the weapon was rated for.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::The other branches didn't feel the need to replace the M9, probably because the SEALS have higher standards for their sidearms. Also, the SIGs were extremely durable, you could take them through saltwater, drag them through sand, even pound it with a jackhammer and they would still fire. The other branches didn't use their sidearms nearly as much as the SEALS. Presently the Coast Guard is using the SIG-Sauer P229, and the actual agency NCIS (naval criminal investigative service, pretty much cops for the navy and marines) use P229s as well. Also, I don't know where you live, but if u live in america go on youtube and search for "nutnfancy p226 part 1" its the first one that shows up. He talks about the history of the P226 and its use with the SEALS.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

The SIG P229 is a fine weapon, from my experiance its the best shooting handgun for me. Wonder if the P220 works aswell because I want one.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== New P226 ==

Has anyone seen the new production line SIG P226s? What do you guys think of the new grips? They've got the same grips that the E2 has now. I like them but I will miss the old P226 grips. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:34, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:I honestly think that I am the only one who does not like them. I like how they try to appeal to smaller-handed shooters, but I think they should have kept the "classic" style availiable as well. I handled a classic P226 with the E2 grips installed, and it just didn't feel right to me. They did this to the P229 (my favorite gun) and changed the slide style as well. I will miss the classic grips. (It feels so weird calling the SIGs I know and love the classic version)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 02:46, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

Being a Brit the closest I get to handling a real gun are my airsoft ones, but if I manage to move to America (which is one of my lifes goals) I'd like to get some real guns. One of them is a SIG Sauer P226 but I prefer the classic unrailed frame. I wish SIG still produced those for sale as well. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:35, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

You can still get the old grips for SIGs. They sell them on their website, and i'm sure that various other distributors bought ass-loads of them to sell. The new grips give more options to a wider range of shooters. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 09:56, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:I've been thinking about ordering a pair for a while. Even though I can get my hand around my 226's grip just fine (the smaller circumference doesn't matter much to me), I've never liked the texture of the previous generation grips. The E2 grip texture is designed to be a lot like the grips on the very earliest P226s (the checker-pattern grips).

:Also, SIG just introduced the "P226 German", which is a rail frame P226 that has the German-manufactured stamped slide of the oldest model P226s. I might have to get one some day - the old stamped slides are WAY superior to the milled slides that have been standard since the late-90s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:27, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

When I saw the "P226 German" on their website I was hoping it would be a classic P226 without a rail but it has the rail. I don't understand why they don't still produce unrailed framed P226s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:55, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

I must admit that I thought the same thing when I saw the German on their site. And i'm sure many other people were just as disappointed when they saw the rail... honestly, I can see where they could be useful, but aesthetically I prefer SIGs without rails. Like the P229 SAS, for instance. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:40, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

They could be useful but SIGs look so much better without them. And there's nothing wrong with the Harries technique in my opinion if you need a flash light. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:11, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

1. The SAS pretty much covers the rail-less Sigs. 2. As I own a 229(R) the rail isnt bad for texture. Really causes no problems holstering. If you dont like the look I dont know what to tell you. Having the rail standard is a good idea because it gives you the OPTION to put a light or laser on your gun. 3. Carrying a light in your off hand will work but putting the light on your gun is a much sturdier option letting you still have full control of your firearm with both hands and the added benefit of the light. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

I agree with you on all of these points. We were speaking purely of the aesthetic value of the rails. I'm sure some some people like the looks of them, and personally don't think they're THAT bad. I just feel that SIGs, especially those with the new one piece, snap on grips, look much better without them. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:07, 9 February 2012 (CST)

== P239 Slide ==

As far as I can tell, there are two different slide designs for the P239, the first being the one similar to the P228 that is seen on the gun images for this page, but then you also have a design similar to the P229 that can be seen on the pages for [[Chuck]] and [[Nikita (2010)]] for example. Does this indicate different manufacture date, or does the slide change with calibre? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 02:23, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::I think the slide changes as to whether its a 9mm or 40 cal. The reason why the 228 was discontinued in favor of the 229 was that they couldn't make the 228 strong enough to take 40 cal and the 'marketplace' expected any 9mm to be available in .40 SW as well. So I believe the frame can take the stresses of both 9mm and 40 cal and (obviously) the barrel and slides are different. :) Of course, now I expect someone out of the blue to completely prove me wrong .... sigh....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:52, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::I believe that is right, just remember that the slides are reversed in the 239 (half serration = 9mm, full serration = 40SW or 357SIG) compared to the 228/229. Also the frame of the 228 is slightly smaller than that of the 229, and old model 229's in 9mm have a slightly smaller frame than those in 40SW, though, if I understand it right, the new model 229's (full cocking serration) use the same frame for both 9mm and 40SW. The size does not make that big of a difference unless you try to put E2 grips onto a 228, where the size difference will prevent them from fitting (unless you got a late model 228 that used 229 frames). Hope that helped rather than confused. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 07:42, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Thanks, that helps. Assumed it was calibres as the SIG website has current pics of both types, but assumed it was the same way round as P228/P229 and wondered why the most common version in TV is .40 rather than 9mm. Second part has thrown me though, as didn't realise that P229s now had full height serrations. Is there anyway (from a distance without examining frame thickness) to tell the difference between a current P229 and a P228R? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:02, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::::The new P229's have the E2 grip which is smaller than the old grip, lack grip screws, and are one piece as opposed to the older 2 piece model. But since the P228R uses a P229 frame and E2 grips can be attached to older P229 frames, and the new P229's can still have the old grip style swapped in if the user so desires, there is no real way without holding it or seeing the stamp on the slide to know for sure.[[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 10:25, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::::The extractor on the new P229 is much larger than before.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:16, 10 October 2011 (CDT)

== Broken links ==

Although more correct, when [[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] put "-Sauer" into the titles for the different guns it now means that all of the redirects, like [[SIG-Sauer P226]], don't go to the correct section anymore, along with any links that are in articles (such as <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki>) that lead to a particular section. I take it there is no way to fix the second problem short of going through every single article and changing it is there? Also, why do we put the dash in SIG-Sauer, as far as I can tell the actual company name is either SIG SAUER, or SIG Sauer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:26, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:You are right about the title, they never refer to themselves as "SIG-Sauer" but "SIG Sauer". And, right again, theres no way to fix the redirect problem :( --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:29, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::I thought that when SIG joined up with Sauer they put a hyphen between their names. Also, the little thing at the top of the page says that we should put a hyphen.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::You could always just edit the redirects... Go to the [[SIG-Sauer P226]] page and change where it redirects... I've already done it for the P226 (try the link and see for yourself). Shouldn't be that difficult. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:51, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:commando552 and I were not talking about the <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> redirect, but the pages like [[The Negotiator]] or [[XXX]] where the longer <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> hyperlink is used. Those now redirect to the top of the page instead of the P226's section. And the only way to fix them is to change them on every page that uses this hyperlink. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:47, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::What he said. I know the first problem is fixable like you said, was going to edit the redirects earlier but didn't in case the name changed again. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:43, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:My bad. Though I will say that this is a perfect reason why using this style: <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> is a bad idea (not saying it was your guys fault or anything, just saying that its a good reason to avoid that type of coding). --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 19:55, 17 January 2012 (CST)
Wow, my bad guys, I didn't know it would jack up all the redirects. What if we reverted the page back, but added a note at the top of the page stating that the proper name has the Sauer in it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:We should strive to be as correct as possible. If it's right, it's right. I'm willing to put in the legwork. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:00, 17 January 2012 (CST)

== P239 & P245 ==

Considering the name of this page is '''P220 pistol series''' shouldn't these guns be on their own page? Thoughts? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 20:22, 9 February 2012 (CST)

Southland - Season 3

2012-02-04T05:39:53Z

TheDon: /* Smith & Wesson Model 66 */

[[Image:SouthlS3.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Southland'' - Season 3 (2011)]]

'''The following weapons can be seen in Season 3 of the series ''Southland'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Beretta 92FS==
Several LAPD officers and detectives carry the [[Beretta 92FS]] as their sidearm, including Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]), Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]), Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) and Officer Bill "Dewey" Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) and a number of other officers. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[File:SouthlS3 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) draws his Beretta during a raid in "Punching Water" (S3E02).]]
[[File:SouthLS3 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) pulls his Beretta during a confrontation with gang members.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] (as evidenced by its double stack frame) as his duty sidearm. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range.
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:SouthlS3 40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) fires his [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] during a shootout in Season 3's premiere "Let It Snow" (S3E01).]]
[[Image:SouthL 12000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), instead of her 3913, Adams is seen firing a S&W 5906 (note the double stack frame) during a weapons qualification exercise.]]

==Glock 22==
Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) carries a [[Glock 22]] as his sidearm. This weapon is standard issue to all LAPD probationary officers. Upon completion of probation, they may choose to switch to another weapon on the approved carry list, or they can stay with the Glock. Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) also uses a Glock 22 as her sidearm, although her weapon is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light. Detectve Josie Ochoa ([[Jenny Gago]]) also carries the Glock.
[[Image:Glock22.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 22 - .40 S&W]]
[[File:SouthlS3 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) draws his [[Glock 22]] on a gunman after having to use his vest as a shield in Season 3's premiere "Let It Snow" (S3E01).]]
[[File:SouthlS3 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) carries the Glock as his sidearm upon returning to patrol.]]
[[File:SouthlS3 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Det. Josie Ochoa ([[Jenny Gago]]) draws her Glock during a shootout.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Officer Rodrigo Morales fires his Glock 22 on the range.]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] as her duty gun. In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), she is notably seen using it to bring down a gunman (despite having been seen using a S&W 5906 on range earlier in the episode).
[[Image:3913.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthlandS&W1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Adams fires her S&W 3913 at a gunman in "Failure Drill" (S3E09).]]
[[File:SouthlS3 18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Adams prepares to perform a "failure drill" (two in the chest, one in the head) with her 3913.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
Det. Sammy Bryant is seen threatening a gang member with what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]].
[[Image:Mod66wPachmayr.jpg|thumb|none|360px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose with Pachmayr grips - .357 Magnum]]
[[File:SouthlS3 10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Sammy Bryant is seen threatening a gang member with what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]].]]

==Raven Arms MP-25==
A [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol is seen in the opening credits of each episode.
[[Image:RavenMP25.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Raven Arms MP25 - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthlandRaven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of a gangster's Raven Arms MP-25 in the opening credits.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
In "Code 4" (S3E04), Ben finds a [[Colt Detective Special]] revolver in a restaurant owner's possession.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 404.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Code 4" (S3E04), Ben finds a [[Colt Detective Special]] revolver in a restaurant owner's possession.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
The last bank robber in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01) commits suicide with a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG Sauer P226]].
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthlandP226a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bank robber commits suicide when confronted by Ben in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
Several LAPD officers are seen using [[Remington 870]] shotguns, which is the standard issue shotgun for the department. They are often seen in the shotgun racks of the police cars.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Riot - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthlS3 43.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer is armed with an 870 as he accompanies Moretta and Bryant to serve a warrant.]]
[[Image:SouthlS3 48.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Graduation Day" (S3E10), Ben Sherman carries the 870 on his first day as a P2 officer.]]

=Assault Rifles=
==M4A1 Carbine==
In "Punching Water" (S3E02), Metro officers are armed with [[M4A1 Carbine]]s as they raid the home of a gang member when searching for an AK-47 used in a murder.
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SouthlandM4S3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers armed with M4A1's raid a gang member's house in "Punching Water" (S3E02).]]

==AKM==
An [[AKM]] is used by one of the bank robbers in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKM - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:SouthlS3 41.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[AKM]] is used by one of the bank robbers in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).]]

==AKMS==
An [[AKMS]] is used by one of the bank robbers in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKMS - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 401.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bank robber fires his AKM at a downed officer in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01). ]]
[[Image:SouthlandAKMSa.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bank robber fires his AKMS at the responding officers in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).]]

==AK-47==
A gang member uses an [[AK-47]] to murder a family in Season 3's "Punching Water." Police officers later seize the weapon when they raid the home of another gang member who had been hiding it.
[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:SouthlandAK47.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer ([[Chic Daniel]]) shows Detective Moretta the confiscated AK-47.]]

==Colt M16A2==
In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with an ACOG scope.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 12002.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with an ACOG scope.]]
[[Image:SouthlandM16.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The gunman lies dead next to his M16A2.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==TEC-9==
A [[TEC-9]] is seen next to slain bank robber in "Let it Snow" (S3E01).
[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 400.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[TEC-9]] is seen next to slain bank robber in "Let it Snow" (S3E01).]]

=Other=
==X26 Taser==
Officer John Cooper uses an [[Taser#X26|X26 Taser]] to subdue a suspect in "Discretion" (S3E03).
[[Image:X26-tazer.jpg|thumb|none|300px|X26 Taser]]
[[Image:SouthlandTaser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cooper takes down a suspect with his X26 Taser in "Discretion" (S3E03).]]

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Southland - Season 3

2012-02-04T05:38:34Z

TheDon: /* Smith & Wesson Model 60 */

[[Image:SouthlS3.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Southland'' - Season 3 (2011)]]

'''The following weapons can be seen in Season 3 of the series ''Southland'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Beretta 92FS==
Several LAPD officers and detectives carry the [[Beretta 92FS]] as their sidearm, including Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]), Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]), Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) and Officer Bill "Dewey" Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) and a number of other officers. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[File:SouthlS3 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) draws his Beretta during a raid in "Punching Water" (S3E02).]]
[[File:SouthLS3 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) pulls his Beretta during a confrontation with gang members.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] (as evidenced by its double stack frame) as his duty sidearm. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range.
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:SouthlS3 40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) fires his [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] during a shootout in Season 3's premiere "Let It Snow" (S3E01).]]
[[Image:SouthL 12000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), instead of her 3913, Adams is seen firing a S&W 5906 (note the double stack frame) during a weapons qualification exercise.]]

==Glock 22==
Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) carries a [[Glock 22]] as his sidearm. This weapon is standard issue to all LAPD probationary officers. Upon completion of probation, they may choose to switch to another weapon on the approved carry list, or they can stay with the Glock. Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) also uses a Glock 22 as her sidearm, although her weapon is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light. Detectve Josie Ochoa ([[Jenny Gago]]) also carries the Glock.
[[Image:Glock22.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 22 - .40 S&W]]
[[File:SouthlS3 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) draws his [[Glock 22]] on a gunman after having to use his vest as a shield in Season 3's premiere "Let It Snow" (S3E01).]]
[[File:SouthlS3 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) carries the Glock as his sidearm upon returning to patrol.]]
[[File:SouthlS3 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Det. Josie Ochoa ([[Jenny Gago]]) draws her Glock during a shootout.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Officer Rodrigo Morales fires his Glock 22 on the range.]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] as her duty gun. In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), she is notably seen using it to bring down a gunman (despite having been seen using a S&W 5906 on range earlier in the episode).
[[Image:3913.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthlandS&W1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Adams fires her S&W 3913 at a gunman in "Failure Drill" (S3E09).]]
[[File:SouthlS3 18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Adams prepares to perform a "failure drill" (two in the chest, one in the head) with her 3913.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
Det. Sammy Bryant is seen threatening a gang member with what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]].
[[Image:Mod66wPachmayr.jpg|thumb|right|360px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose with Pachmayr grips - .357 Magnum]]
[[File:SouthlS3 10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Sammy Bryant is seen threatening a gang member with what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]].]]

==Raven Arms MP-25==
A [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol is seen in the opening credits of each episode.
[[Image:RavenMP25.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Raven Arms MP25 - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthlandRaven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of a gangster's Raven Arms MP-25 in the opening credits.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
In "Code 4" (S3E04), Ben finds a [[Colt Detective Special]] revolver in a restaurant owner's possession.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 404.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Code 4" (S3E04), Ben finds a [[Colt Detective Special]] revolver in a restaurant owner's possession.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
The last bank robber in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01) commits suicide with a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG Sauer P226]].
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthlandP226a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bank robber commits suicide when confronted by Ben in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
Several LAPD officers are seen using [[Remington 870]] shotguns, which is the standard issue shotgun for the department. They are often seen in the shotgun racks of the police cars.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Riot - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthlS3 43.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer is armed with an 870 as he accompanies Moretta and Bryant to serve a warrant.]]
[[Image:SouthlS3 48.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Graduation Day" (S3E10), Ben Sherman carries the 870 on his first day as a P2 officer.]]

=Assault Rifles=
==M4A1 Carbine==
In "Punching Water" (S3E02), Metro officers are armed with [[M4A1 Carbine]]s as they raid the home of a gang member when searching for an AK-47 used in a murder.
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SouthlandM4S3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers armed with M4A1's raid a gang member's house in "Punching Water" (S3E02).]]

==AKM==
An [[AKM]] is used by one of the bank robbers in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKM - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:SouthlS3 41.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[AKM]] is used by one of the bank robbers in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).]]

==AKMS==
An [[AKMS]] is used by one of the bank robbers in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKMS - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 401.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bank robber fires his AKM at a downed officer in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01). ]]
[[Image:SouthlandAKMSa.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bank robber fires his AKMS at the responding officers in Season 3's premiere "Let it Snow" (S3E01).]]

==AK-47==
A gang member uses an [[AK-47]] to murder a family in Season 3's "Punching Water." Police officers later seize the weapon when they raid the home of another gang member who had been hiding it.
[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:SouthlandAK47.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer ([[Chic Daniel]]) shows Detective Moretta the confiscated AK-47.]]

==Colt M16A2==
In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with an ACOG scope.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 12002.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with an ACOG scope.]]
[[Image:SouthlandM16.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The gunman lies dead next to his M16A2.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==TEC-9==
A [[TEC-9]] is seen next to slain bank robber in "Let it Snow" (S3E01).
[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 400.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[TEC-9]] is seen next to slain bank robber in "Let it Snow" (S3E01).]]

=Other=
==X26 Taser==
Officer John Cooper uses an [[Taser#X26|X26 Taser]] to subdue a suspect in "Discretion" (S3E03).
[[Image:X26-tazer.jpg|thumb|none|300px|X26 Taser]]
[[Image:SouthlandTaser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cooper takes down a suspect with his X26 Taser in "Discretion" (S3E03).]]

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Blue Bloods

2012-01-31T05:26:34Z

TheDon: /* Glock 19 */

[[File:BlueBloods.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Blue Bloods'' (2010 - present)]]

''Blue Bloods'' is an American police procedural series that stars [[Tom Selleck]] as Frank Reagan, the police commissioner of New York, whose has to deal with the problems of having his daughter as an attorney in the city as well as two sons who are officers in the Department. The series, which premiered on CBS in 2010, co-stars [[Donnie Wahlberg]], [[Will Estes]], [[Nicholas Turturro]], and [[Bridget Moynahan]].

'''The following firearms were used in the series ''Blue Bloods'':'''
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== Smith & Wesson 5946 ==
Detective Danny Reagan ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 5946]] as his sidearm in Season 1. The 5946 is one of three handguns authorized to be carried by the NYPD.
[[Image:S&W5946.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith and Wesson 5946 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:BlueB 32.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Detective Danny Reagan ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) draws his [[Smith & Wesson 5946]] in Season 1's finale "The Blue Templar" (S1E22).]]
[[File:BlueB 20.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danny pulls his 5906 during a standoff in Season 1's "Officer Down" (S1E04).]]
[[Image:BB-SW5946.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of Danny's S&W.]]

==Glock 17==
The [[Glock 17]] is another handgun used by police in the series. It first appears as Det. Danny Reagan's sidearm in the pilot episode. In Season 1's finale "The Blue Templar", Sonny Malevsky ([[Michael T. Weiss]]) is seen with the Glock. In Season 2's "Critical Condition" (S2E03), Erin Reagan-Boyle ([[Bridget Moynahan]]) is seen firing the Glock at a shooting range.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:BlueB 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the pilot episode, Danny is seen retrieving the Glock from his safe before going to work.]]
[[File:BlueB 34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's finale "The Blue Templar", Sonny Malevsky ([[Michael T. Weiss]]) is seen with the Glock.]]
[[File:BlueBS2 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Critical Condition" (S2E03), Erin Reagan-Boyle ([[Bridget Moynahan]]) is seen firing the Glock at a shooting range.]]
[[File:BlueBS2 18.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Glock 19==
The [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] is the main handgun carried by NYPD uniformed officers in the series including Officer Jamie Reagan ([[Will Estes]]). It's also carried by Danny's partner Jackie Curatola ([[Jennifer Esposito]]).
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 9x19mm]]
[[File:BlueB 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An NYPD officer draws her Glock on some robbery suspects in Season 1's "Officer Down".]]
[[File:BlueB 30.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Officer Jamie Reagan ([[Will Estes]]) draws his Glock in Season 1's "What You See".]]
[[File:BlueB 31.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Anthony Renzulli ([[Nicholas Turturro]]) draws his Glock in Season 1's "What You See".]]
[[File:BlueBS2 32.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danny's partner Jackie Curatola ([[Jennifer Esposito]]) with her Glock in Season 2's "Critical Condition".]]

== Kahr K9 ==
Beginning in Season 2, Detective Danny Reagan ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) carries a stainless [[Kahr K9#Kahr K9 Stainless|Kahr K9 Stainless]] as his sidearm.
[[Image:Kahr.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Kahr K9 9x19mm with stainless steel finish]]
[[Image:BB-KahrK9.JPG|thumb|500px|none|Detective Danny Reagan ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) draws his stainless Kahr K9.]]
[[File:BlueBS2 46.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Colt Government==
Frank Reagan ([[Tom Selleck]]) is seen firing a Colt on the range in Season 2's "Critical Condition".
[[File:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[File:BlueBS2 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Frank Reagan ([[Tom Selleck]]) is seen firing a Colt on the range in Season 2's "Critical Condition".]]

==Colt Official Police "Fitz Special"==
Police Commissioner Frank Reagan ([[Tom Selleck]]) is seen carrying the [[Colt Official Police|Colt Official Police "Fitz Special"]] as his sidearm. The revolver was originally the sidearm of Frank's father Henry ([[Len Cariou]]), who said it was given to him as a gift by his policeman father.
[[File:18702 3745 1 lg.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Official Police "Fitz Special" - .38 Special. this particular specimen was manufactured in 1938. Note Official Police stamped on barrel.]]
[[File:BlueB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Colt M1911A1==
A robbery suspect is seen pulling an [[M1911A1]] during a jewelry heist in Season 1's "Officer Down" . He is then seen engaging in a shootout with an NYPD officer on the street.
[[File:M1911.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[File:BlueB 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The suspect's handgun is seen on the right in Season 1's "Officer Down".]]
[[File:BlueB 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The suspect opens fire with his handgun.]]

== Colt M4A1 Carbine ==
The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] is seen used by officers of the NYPD's Emergency Services Unit, notably in Season 1's "Officer Down".
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope]]
[[File:BlueB 21.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Franchi SPAS-12==
Another robbery suspect is seen with a [[Franchi SPAS-12]] shotgun during a jewelry heist in Season 1's "Officer Down" .
[[File:SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[File:BlueB 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:BlueB 26.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
Other ESU officers are armed with the [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in "Officer Down".
[[Image:MP5A3RIS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with navy trigger group - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:BlueB 21.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

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Elite Squad

2011-12-29T04:38:57Z

TheDon: /* Glock */

[[Image:EliteSquadPoster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|'''Elite Squad''' (US Release Poster) (2007)]]
[[Image:Tt0861739 largeCover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|'''Tropa de Elite''' aka ''Elite Squad'' (Original language Poster) (2007)]]

'''Original Title: "Tropa de Elite"'''
In 1997, before the visit of the pope to Rio de Janeiro, Captain Nascimento from BOPE (Special Police Operation Battalion) is assigned to eliminate the risks of the drug dealers in a dangerous slum nearby where the pope intends to be lodged. Captain Nascimento is trying to find a man to replace him because his wife is pregnant and he intends to quit the command and become a trainer of the new recruits. Meanwhile, the two idealistic friends Neto and Matias join the Military Police force expecting to become honest policemen and fight the criminals…(Plot summary from Imdb.com)
This is an excellent picture. It is somewhat difficult to obtain good scans because most action takes place at night and the action is fast. Nevertheless, we can see some interesting firearms:

==Ruger Mini-14==
[[Ruger Mini-14]] rifles are used in several scenes by the drug dealers:
[[File:Ruger-Mini-14.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Mini-14 Standard Model Semiautomatic Rifle with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 003511966.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16 rifle and Ruger Mini-14 in "Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 003614736.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ruger Mini-14 and Micro-Uzi in "Elite Squad"]]

==FN FAL==
An [[FN FAL|IMBEL Fz M/964]] (FN 50-00 brazilian license-build fixed-stock version) is used by the drug dealers as well as a DMR by at least one of the BOPE officers and a standard configuration by another.
[[File:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Tropa_de_Elite_FAL.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''The BOPE officer lies prone on a rooftop in a Rio slum with his scoped FAL, ready to engage a target down on the street. It is an 18" bbl IMBEL Fz M/964 (FAL) with STANAG mount and unidentified scope - 7.62x51mm'']]
[[Image:Tropa_De_Elite_FAL2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''The BOPE officer with his FAL, just before firing on a target in the street below.'']]
[[Image:FAL_bg1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''The BOPE officer in the background with his FAL, standing guard at the rear approach.'']]
[[Image:Tropa_de_elite_FAL_bg2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''The same BOPE officer and weapon, at a closer angle at the top of the image.'']]

==Colt AR-15 Sporter-1==
Wagner Moura, as Captain Nascimento, carries several guns through the movie. One of them is an [[M16_rifle_series#Colt_AR-15_Sporter-1|Colt SP1]] with [[M16A2]] hand guards, the rifle carried by most of the men of the BOPE in the movie.
[[Image:M16-SP1-with-A2-Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt SP1 with A2-style hand guards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:610x.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt SP1 and Taurus PT-92 in "Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 004988817.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt SP1 and Taurus PT-92 in "Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 005166494.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt SP1 in "Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 005168496.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt SP1 in "Elite Squad"]]

==Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine==
A [[M16_rifle_series#Colt_AR-15A2_Government_Carbine|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine]] is used by Caio Junqueira as Neto, during the 2nd half of the movie
[[File:R6520-A2Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Berlinale01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt model 653 in "Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 005173334.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt model 653 in "Elite Squad"]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A3==
A chopped and converted [[Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5A3#Heckler_.26_Koch_HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94A3]] is used by Wagner Moura in several scenes, as noted by its lack of paddle magazine release and barrel lugs, and the metal lower receiver.
[[File:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK94A3, converted to full auto fire, shortened barrel and added third firing position on trigger pack - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Tropa de elite.jpg|thumb|none|500px|HK MP5 in "Elite Squad"]]

== INA Model 953 ==
The [[INA_Model_953#INA_Model_953|INA Model 953]], the Brazilian version of the Danish [[Madsen M50]] SMG. Recognized by its stamped metal body which, literally, is held together by the barrel nut (which was known to come loose on its own, spilling the internal mechanisms on the ground). Brazil manufactured it in .45 ACP instead of the standard 9mm.
[[File:DanishMadsenm50.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Madsen M50 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 003451406.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 003771434.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]

== Imbel MD97 ==
This is a rifle derived from the FAL, made in Brazil by Industria de Material Bélico do Brasil, and widely used by the Brazilian police and military. It is carried by the actor in the background in these scenes, although it is never seen closely.
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 005342253.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 005342754.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]

That is NOT an MD-97, is just an ordinary FAL, notice the shape of the magazine.

==Unidentified rifles ==
In the opening scenes, Caio Junqueira opens fire with an unidentified scoped rifle. It might be an Imbel AGLC, but I can’t identify it with certainty. It's maybe IMBEL M/968 (old czech or belgian Mauser enhanced with new 0.308 barrel in the 60's).
The new BOPE recruits can be seen training with rifles that are probably made in Brazil, but I can’t identify them (help requested).
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 004628206.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 004843505.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]

== 12 Gauge pump shotguns ==
Several pump shotguns are seen in the hands of the BOPE agents. They are probably Brazilian-made guns, from CBC (companhia brasileira de cartuchos) or from Boito. I’m not familiarized with these shotguns, and therefore, cannot identify them (help requested).
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 005180258.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Remington 870]] with pistol grip, synthetic stock and 7 round magazine]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 006593420.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Mossberg 500]] Field 12 Gauge with wooden furniture and ventilated rib barrel]]
[[Image:Tropaelite.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]
It's surely CBC 586P (variant of [[Smith & Wesson 916]]) which is standard pump shotgun of BOPE.

== Glock ==
Caio Junqueira uses 2 handguns in the movie: a Glock, and a Taurus PT-92. The Glock could be a Glock 19, 23 or 25. It's most likely a Glock 25 in .380 ACP.
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 001061727.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Glock pistol in "Elite Squad"]]

== Taurus PT-92 ==
This handgun is used both by the police and by the Drug dealers
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 004988817.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A2 and Taurus PT-92 in "Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Press1 43577a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Taurus PT-92 in "Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 005744572.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Taurus PT-92 in "Elite Squad"]]

== Uzi ==
A micro-Uzi (or a Uzi pistol) is used by one of the drug dealers in a shootout
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 003614736.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ruger Mini-14 and Micro-Uzi in "Elite Squad"]]

== Taurus revolver ==
André Ramiro uses both a Taurus PT-92, and a revolver, that I think is a Taurus model 83, although it is never seen close enough.
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 000372080.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]
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Talk:Elite Squad

2011-12-29T04:38:23Z

TheDon: /* Caio Junqueira's Glock */

== The M16A2 is a M16A3. ==

During one of the training scenes one of recruits fires it on full auto.

:No, it has a slab-sided upper receiver with A1 sights. The M16A2 & A3 would have forward assists and A2 style rear sights. It's also IMFDB policy not to distinguish between the A2 and A3, since most "M16A2s" you see in movies are actually A2 uppers on full-auto lowers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Duplicate Elite Squad page ==

There's a duplicate page under the title 'The Elite Squad' that I added some captures to. However, since my captures are of lower quality, I suggest someone should either merge/delete the page.

== Caio Junqueira's Glock ==

Is it possible that instead of a Glock 19 or 23, it could be a Glock 25?
It's by far the most common Glock pistol in Brazil.

He's at home, practicing, dry firing, what SEEMS TO BE his personal gun (Glocks were never standart issued to Military Police in Brazil).
If so, it's quite possible that it's a Glock 25 in .380ACP, since in '97 it was (and still is) quite hard for someone (even an aspiring police officer) to purchase a weapon in 9mmP (because it's the caliber used by our armed forces).
So many cops (and EVERY common citizen) buy guns in .380 for their personal protection and off-duty carry.

Even for the film's armorer, it's much easier for him to get his hands on a Glock 25 than a 19 (and they're virtually identical in external appearance).

:It could be a Glock 25, but as I've said many times: Never use real life as your frame of reference for IDing a gun in movies, because real life differs from the movies many times. Think about how many movies depict U.S. Secret Service Agents using the SIG P226 (instead of the correct P228/P229) or NYPD officers carrying Glock 17s (instead of the correct Glock 19s). What the armorer had access to for this movie is anyone's guess, so unless we know for sure, it's best to assume G19. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:52, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

==Unidentified rifles ==
In the opening scenes, Caio Junqueira opens fire with an unidentified scoped rifle. It might be an Imbel AGLC, but I can’t identify it with certainty. It's maybe IMBEL M/968 (old czech or belgian Mauser enhanced with new 0.308 barrel in the 60's).
The new BOPE recruits can be seen training with rifles that are probably made in Brazil, but I can’t identify them (help requested).
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 004628206.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]
[[Image:Tropa.De.Elite.-Esp-DvDScreener-XviD-mp3--ART-KEVIN.avi 004843505.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Elite Squad"]]
It's maybe IMBEL M/968 (old czech or belgian Mauser enhanced with new 0.308 barrel in the 60's).

It's actually a Mauser chambered in .308, called MosqueFAL.

It's actually the M954 short rifle, the last Mauser bolt action produced in Brazil (in US 30 06). see (http://oldrifles.com/Brazil.htm).

NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2011-12-14T20:13:47Z

TheDon: /* Colt Python */

[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''NCIS'' (2003-present) (DVD cover for Season 8)]]
[[Image:NCISS7.jpg|thumb|right|300px|NCIS DVD Cover for Season 7]]
[[Image:NCISCover.jpg|right|thumb|300px|NCIS Season 4 (2006-2007)]]

''NCIS'' is an American crime procedural series that centers around agents of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service investigating criminal cases involving military personnel in the Navy and Marine Corps. Most of the series' characters were introduced in the Season 8 episodes of ''[[JAG]]'' titled "Ice Queen" and "Meltdown". Premiering as a weekly show on CBS in September of 2003, the series' current cast includes [[Mark Harmon]], [[Michael Weatherly]], [[Cote de Pablo]], [[Sean Murray]], [[Pauley Perrette]], and [[David McCallum]]. ''[[NCIS Los Angeles]]'' is a spinoff of ''NCIS'' and several ''NCIS:LA'' characters were introduced in the Season 6 episodes "Legend Part I" and "Legend Part II".

'''The following weapons were used in the television series ''NCIS'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Pistols=
==SIG-Sauer P228==
The [[SIG-Sauer P228]] is the main sidearm of nearly all the NCIS agents in the series including Special Agents Leroy Jethro Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]), Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]), Timothy McGee ([[Sean Murray]]), Caitlin Todd ([[Sasha Alexander]]) and Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]). CGIS (Coast Guard Investigative Service) Special Agents Abigail Borin ([[Diane Neal]]) and Kyle Omagi (Eddie Shin) also are seen carrying SIG-Sauer P228's in Season 7's "Jurisdiction", although they would in reality carry a P239 DAK or a P229 DAK in some cases. FBI Special Agent Tobias Fornell ([[Joe Spano]]) is seen carrying a SIG-Sauer P228 in some episodes, notably "Identity Theft". In a flashback to an assassination operation in Paris in Season 5's "Judgment Day parts 1 & 2", Gibbs uses a suppressed SIG-Sauer P228 to kill ex-KGB assassin turned contract killer Anatoli Zukov. NCIS Special Agents Gayle Levin ([[Alimi Ballard]]) and Simon Cade ([[Matthew Willig]]) draw their P228's in Season 8's "Swan Song" (S8E23).

[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCISS8 111.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Leroy Jethro Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]) draws his SIG-Sauer P228 in Season 8.]]
[[Image:NCIS 004.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Caitlin "Kate" Todd ([[Sasha Alexander]]) pulls her P228 in Season 2's "Chained".]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 006.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Timothy McGee ([[Sean Murray]]) fires his P228 in Season 2's finale "Twilight".]]
[[Image:NCIS3 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Director Jenny Shepard ([[Lauren Holly]]) checks her SIG in Season 3's "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 501.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "Lost and Found" (S5E09), Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) fires a SIG-Sauer P228 into her water tank to perform a ballistics test, while a Boy Scout from McGee's troop looks on with a grin (after Ziva and Tony have expressed some concern up in the squadroom about leaving a minor in Abby's care).]]
[[File:NCISS5 404.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Officer Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws the SIG in Season 5's "Leap of Faith".]]
[[File:NCISS5 506.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo draws his P228 in Season 5's "Stakeout".]]
[[Image:NCIS6 204.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", Special Agent G. Callen ([[Chris O'Donnell]]), opens fire with his [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:SAM-HANNA-SIG-552-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", Special Agent Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) slings his SIG SG after switching to his secondary, a [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 7's "Ignition" (S7E11).]]
[[Image:NCISS8 30.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Special Agent Simon Cade ([[Matthew Willig]]) draws his [[SIG-Sauer P228]] in Season 8's "Swan Song".]]
[[File:NCIS Tony shooting range.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Tony fires his P228 on the shooting range in Season 9's premiere "Nature of the Beast" (S9E01).]]

==SIG-Sauer P229==
In Season 4's "Faking It", retired NIS (Naval Investigative Service, the immediate predecessor to NCIS) Agent Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) holds a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P229]] on arms dealer Arkady Kobach - in Franks' own words, a "scary S.O.B." that kept him awake for 15 years. An ordinary P229 was used by a US Coast Guard officer in "Safe Harbor".

[[File:Sig229Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Two tone SIG-Sauer P229 Stainless (note lack of rail) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS34 509.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Faking It", retired NIS Agent Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) holds a [[SIG-Sauer P229]]. '''Arkady''': "You think you are the first person to point a gun at me?" '''Franks''': "No, but I will be the last."]]
[[Image:NCIS34 508.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the SIG.]]
[[File:NCIS Coast Guard Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A US Coast Guard officer draws his P229 while searching a deserted ship in Season 9's "Safe Harbor".]]

==SIG-Sauer P230==
CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin ([[Diane Neal]]) carries a [[SIG-Sauer P230]] as her off-duty weapon in Season 8's "Ships in the Night". She is seen pulling it from her purse at the episode's beginning.
[[File:SigP230SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P230]]
[[Image:NCIS compact sig.jpg|thumb|none|501px|CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin ([[Diane Neal]]) pulls her off-duty P230 while checking out a gunshot on a cruise ship in Season 8's "Ships in the Night".]]
[[Image:NCIS compact sig a.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Another shot of Borin holding the P230.]]

==SIG-Sauer P239==
In the NCIS episodes "Legend, Part I" and "Legend, Part II", NCIS Special Agent Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P239|SIG-Sauer P239]] to threaten a group of bangers.
[[File:SIG P239 9MM BLK.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P239 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-KENZI-BLYE-SIG-SAUER-P229-HD-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) with her SIG-Sauer P239 - 9mm]]

== SIG-Sauer P220R ==
A suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P220|SIG-Sauer P220R]] with a stainless finish is used by Guyman Purcell ([[Anthony Heald]]) to threaten Anna Real ([[Tania Raymonde]]) in Season 2's "Eye for an Eye".
[[Image:SigP220RSilver.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P220R stainless .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS34 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guyman Purcell ([[Anthony Heald]]) holds a suppressed stainless-steel SIG P220R to threaten Anna Real (Tania Raymonde) in Season 2's "Eye for an Eye".]]

==AMT Backup==
In Season 7's "Jack Knife", Ziva is seen carrying an [[AMT Backup]] pistol in an ankle holster.
[[Image:AMT BackupRight.jpg|thumb|none|300px|AMT Backup II with stainless steel finish - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's "Jack Knife", Ziva is seen carrying an [[AMT Backup]] pistol in an ankle holster. Note that the holster appears to have been made for a revolver.]]

==Beretta 85F==
In Season 2's "Forced Entry" (S2E09), Laura Rowens (Megan Ward) uses a [[Beretta 85F]] to shoot a man she thought was going to attack her. In Season 2's "Conspiracy Theory", Catherine Reynolds (Brigid Brannagh) is seen holding the Beretta on her partner in crime.
[[Image:Beretta85FNickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:NCIS1 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Forced Entry" (S2E09), Laura Rowens (Megan Ward) uses a [[Beretta 85F]].]]
[[Image:NCIS34 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Conspiracy Theory", Catherine Reynolds (Brigid Brannagh) tries to shoot her partner in crime as she is arrested, but finds that the weapon is unloaded.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] (used in lieu of the Beretta M9) appears as the issued sidearm of various military personnel and in the hands of various characters throughout the series. In the Season 2 premiere "See No Evil," kidnapper Kyle Grayson ([[William Mapother]]) holds one on his hostage while in a standoff with NCIS agents. In Season 3's "Kill Ari, Part 1", terrorist Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) holds Dr. Mallard's assistant, Gerald, hostage with one. Gibbs also keeps one in his car during the events of "Kill Ari: Part 2," as it is seen while he and Jenny are staking out Ari's safe house. Port Security Chief Matthew Lake ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) pulls a Beretta in the later Season 3 episode, "Boxed In". Lt. Colonel Hollis Mann ([[Susanna Thompson]]) of the Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) is seen carrying a [[Beretta 92FS]] and notably uses it in Season 4's "Sharif Returns". In Season 6's "Deliverance," Ziva fires one on a Marine weapons range and claims to prefer the SIG. She also upsets the misogynistic range sergeant on duty, who doesn't expect women to know anything about handguns, by showing him his sight is off by a few millimeters. In Season 8's "Enemies Domestic", during his flashbacks to his first mission in Amsterdam, Director Vance is seen with one. It's also seen in "Defiance" where a US Marine uses it to confront a suicide bomber.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta M9 9x19mm]]

[[Image:NCIS3 21.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Missing", Major Joe Sacco ([[Derek Webster]]) holds his Beretta as he looks for Dinozzo in the sewer.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22024.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) holds a Beretta on Gerald in Season 3's "Kill Ari, Part 1".]]
[[Image:NCIS 22014.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Port Security Chief Matthew Lake ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) holds a Beretta in Season 3's "Boxed In".]]
[[Image:NCIS34 503.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 4 premiere, "Shalom," Gibbs uses a Beretta to check out a possible terrorist's safe house, after he has retired from NCIS and relinquished his SIG.]]
[[Image:NCISS4 70.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. Colonel Hollis Mann ([[Susanna Thompson]]) of the Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) pulls her [[Beretta 92FS]] in Season 4's "Sharif Returns".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 508.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Corporal Damon Werth ([[Paul Telfer]]) aims a stolen Beretta at Gibbs in a rehab facility in Season Five's "Corporal Punishment."]]
[[Image:NCIS US Marine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A US Marine confronts a suicide bomber in "Defiance".]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer is seen showing a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] to a customer, stating it's "Homie's best friend 9mm, it's Italian, 15 plus 1 in da tube". Another one with pearl grips (possibly the same one) is used by the first mate on the Damocles in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop". Another appears in Season 2's "Heart Break", being carried by Ensign Evan Hayes (Nathan Wetherington). It is also used by the occasional adversary, sometimes equipped with a suppressor, notably in the Season 5 episode 'Designated Target'.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS Inox 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS56 12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer shows a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] to a customer.]]

==Beretta Cougar==
In Season 3's "Light Sleeper," a defecting North Korean agent uses a Marine Sergeant's .40 caliber [[Beretta Cougar|Beretta 8040 Cougar F]] to execute two members of her sleeper cell. While examining it in her laboratory, Abby embarks on a brief segue on a critics' description of the .40 S&W round as a "Short and Wimpy," when measured against the 10mm Autoload.

[[Image:8000 Cougar F Inox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 8045 Cougar - 9mm (however, the weapon that appears in the Season 3 episode "Light Sleeper" is an Inox variant in .40 S&W caliber, of slightly different appearance.'']]
[[Image:NCIS12 404.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Light Sleeper," a Marine Sergeant's .40 caliber [[Beretta Cougar]] lays on the car seat. ]]
[[Image:NCIS12 403.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby carries the Beretta Cougar.]]

==Blackhand==
A prototype special operations pistol called the "Black Hand" was used in several murders by an ex-military analyst turned assassin in "The Penelope Papers". It's a prop pistol that is based on the SP-21 Barak.

[[File:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Black Hand as shown to Gibbs and the other NCIS agents.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
A [[Browning Hi-Power]] was seen and mentioned in Season 3's "Iced".
[[Image:HiPowerMk3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Commercial Browning Hi-Power Mark III 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS3 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva shows Abby how to properly stand while holding a Browning Hi-Power in Season 3's "Iced."]]

==Colt Government ==
In Season 4's "Sandblast", Gibbs finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government|Colt Government Model]] handgun in the store of the CIA informant Mamoun Sharif (Enzo Cilenti). Gibbs mentions that the handgun is ".38 Super, Colt", which means it's a Colt model chambered in .38 Super.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Government Model M1911A1 - .45 ACP - similar to the Colt Super .38]]
[[Image:NCIS1 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Sandblast", Gibbs finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government|Colt Government Model]] handgun in Sharif's (Enzo Cilenti) things.]]
[[Image:JackknifeBHP_&Q.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's "Jack Knife", former Marine Damon Werth ([[Paul Telfer]]) is seen carrying a Colt, which is put on a table when he's searched.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 34.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Werth uses his Colt to pop open a bottle.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 35.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Werth with the Colt.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
In Season 2's "Vanished" (S02E03) Marine helicopter pilot Captain Todd Newell (Rob Boltin) carries a [[M1911A1]] while hiding out in the Virginia forest and stalking his brother's murderer.
In Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07), Iwo Jima veteran Ernie Yost ([[Charles Durning]]) brings his [[M1911A1]] to NCIS headquarters to turn himself in for possibly murdering a fellow Marine during the war.
In Season 2's "Dark Water", private investigator Monroe Cooper ([[Mike Starr]]) is caught faking the murder of an accident victim, using a M1911A1 from the home of the primary "suspect."
In Season 4's "Escaped", (S4E02), retired Navy sailor Mickey Stokes ([[Hal Holbrook]]) has his old M1911A1 stolen from him and then later pointed at him by Petty Officer Derrick Paulson ([[Brandon Barash]]) in Season 4's "Escaped" (S4E02).
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[File:NCISS2 403.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Vanished" (S02E03) Marine helicopter pilot Captain Todd Newell (Rob Boltin) pulls an [[M1911A1]] while hiding out in the Virginia forest and stalking his brother's murderer.]]
[[Image:NCIS1 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of Yost's M1911A1 in Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07)]]
[[Image:NCIS34 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Petty Officer Derrick Paulson ([[Brandon Barash]]) holds the [[M1911A1]] on Mickey Stokes in Season 4's "Escaped" (S4E02).]]

==Colt MK IV Series 80==
An engraved nickel [[Colt MK IV Series 80]] is drawn by Davey Chen ([[Ming Lo]]) in Season 4's "Once A Hero".[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. Though the slide is marked "MK IV Series 80", it appears to have been a standard M1911A1 frame.]]
[[Image:NCIS S4 7.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Davey Chen ([[Ming Lo]]) with his Colt]]
[[Image:NCIS S4 5.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Davey Chen places the Colt on the ground]]

==CZ 83==
In a continuity error, a suppressed [[CZ 83]] pistol is briefly seen instead of Makarov when Namir Eschel (Eyall Podell) has a pillow put over his head in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".
[[Image:CZ83 Pistol.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|CZ 83 .380 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In a continuity error, a suppressed [[CZ 83]] pistol is briefly seen instead of Makarov when Namir Eschel (Eyall Podell) has a pillow put over his head in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".]]

==Flintlock Pistol==
Several [[Flintlock Pistol]]s as well as other pirate treasure are found in a storage locker in Season 7's "Jurisdiction".
[[Image:NCISS6 5107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
The [[Glock 17]] is another frequently-used handgun in the series. In Season 1's "Enigma", FBI Special Agent Tobias Fornell ([[Joe Spano]]) is seen drawing a Glock. In Season 2's "Terminal Leave," Navy Lt. Commander Michaela "Micki" Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]]) keeps a Glock in her home. In Season 4's "Faking It", Glocks are carried by DC-Metro Police. DC-Metro Detective Andrea Sparr ([[Gretchen Egolf]]) draws a Glock 17 in Season 5's "Stakeout". In Season 5's "Lost and Found" (S5E09), Det. Collins (J.R. Bourne) aims a Glock while searching a state park for a fugitive. [[Glock 17]]s with silver slides (like the full-auto-converted one below) are used by two gang members in Season 6's "Deliverance". Mossad Officer Michael Rivikin (Merik Tadros) pulls a [[Glock 17]] on Callen during the the Season 6's "Legend, Part 2." Ziva is seen using a Glock in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop". Ex-Army Ranger-turned-mercenary Jason Paul Dean ([[Dylan Bruno]]) pulls his Glock 17 on Gibbs after his arrival in Mexico in Season 7's "Patriot Down" (S7E23). Marine Sergeant Heather Dempsey ([[Abby Brammell]]) uses a Glock to shoot an intruder in Season 8's "Short Fuse". Mossad officers Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]), Amit Hadar ([[Arnold Vosloo]]) and Liat Tuvia (Sarai Givaty) carry Glock 17's as their sidearms when they accompany Eli David to Washington D.C. NCIS Director Vance ([[Rocky Carroll]]) uses a Glock 17 taken from Hadar in Season 8's "Enemies Domestic".

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Enigma", FBI Special Agent Tobias Fornell ([[Joe Spano]]) pulls a Glock.]]
[[Image:NCIS12 421.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Terminal Leave," Navy Lt. Commander Michaela "Micki" Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]]) pulls her Glock.]]
[[File:NCISS5 402.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jenny Shepard holds the Glock in Season 5's premiere "Bury Your Dead".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 503.jpg|thumb|none|502px|In Season 5's "Stakeout", DC-Metro Detective Andrea Sparr ([[Gretchen Egolf]]) is seen carrying a Glock 17 as her sidearm.]]
[[File:NCISS7 116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva uses a Glock in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop".]]
[[Image:NCIS pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs under the barrel of a Glock in Season 7's "Patriot Down".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 03.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Marine Sergeant Heather Dempsey ([[Abby Brammell]]) holds a Glock in Season 8's "Short Fuse".]]
[[Image:NCIS shoot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Liat guns down a Palestinian terrorist after he aims his sidearm at her.]]
[[Image:NCIS Vance Glock 17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 8's "Enemies Domestic", Director Vance takes Hadar's Glock 17 after being wounded in an explosion.]]

==Glock 17 (Full Auto Conversion)==
In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", a two-toned Glock 17 converted to full auto with a 33 round magazine is used by the lead terrorist Haziq Khaleel (Nick Tarabay) in an attempt at repelling the OSP raid team.
[[Image:Glock17stainless ext.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Glock 17]] - stainless slide with extended magazine]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-CONVERTED-GLOCK-17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", a two-tone [[Glock 17]] falls out of the hand of a wounded terrorist.]]

==Glock 17L==
In Season 2's "Witness" (S2E14), a [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] was found in the convertible sofa bed used by Petty officer Keith Dylan/Robert J. Thorn. It was misidentified as a SIG-Sauer and can be clearly seen in multiple other scenes as a Glock, most clearly when being test-fired into a bullet capture chamber by Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]).
[[Image:G17l.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17L - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Witness" (S2E14), the weapon is photographed in its case. For some reason, the handgun is identified as a SIG-Sauer in the episode.]]
[[Image:NCIS2 15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby fires the Glock in her lab]]

==Glock 19==
The [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] is used by numerous characters in the series. NCIS Special Agent Michelle Lee ([[Liza Lapira]]) while undercover is seen holding a Glock in Season 4's "Once A Hero". Mike Franks uses one in the rescue of his daughter in law in Season 4's "Iceman". A kidnapper holds a Glock 19 in Season 5's "Requiem".
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS S4 8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Special Agent Michelle Lee ([[Liza Lapira]]) while undercover is seen holding a Glock in Season 4's "Once A Hero".]]
[[File:NCISS5 405.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A kidnapper holds a Glock 19 in Season 5's "Requiem".]]

==Glock 21==
In Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" (S6E20), CIA Agent Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) uses a [[Glock#Glock 21|Glock 21]] during a shootout at the beginning of the episode. After they are dead he picks up the dead guy's Smith and Wesson Tactical 9x19mm and wipes his Glock 21 for prints and puts it the hands of the dead terrorist.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 21 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:DeadreckoningGlock.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) wipes his Glock 21 clean of prints before planting it on a dead terrorist.]]

==Glock 26==
A terrorist attempts to dual-wield two [[Glock 26]] pistols in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign" after using a Spike missle launcher.
NCIS Special Agent E.J. Barrett ([[Sarah Jane Morris]]) can be seen carrying a subcompact [[Glock 26]] as her sidearm in Season 8's "Swan Song".
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS akimbo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Palestinian terrorist wielding dual Glock 26's in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 32.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Special Agent E.J. Barrett ([[Sarah Jane Morris]]) draws her subcompact [[Glock 26]] in Season 8's "Swan Song".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 31.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Barrett holds the Glock 26.]]

==Heckler & Koch P2000 SK==
In Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1", Mike Franks gives Jenny Shepard ([[Lauren Holly]]) a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_P2000#H.26K_P2000SK|Heckler & Koch P2000 SK]] to use. Franks says the gun is a clean, with no registration number and is the one Jenny uses when engaging the shooters in the diner.
[[Image:H&KP2000SK left.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P2000 SK - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-5x18-HKP2000SK-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shepard holding Franks' P2000 SK in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1".]]

==Heckler & Koch USP (two-tone)==
Daniel Cryer ([[Erik Palladino]]) pulls a two-tone [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] on Ziva in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04).

[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] .45 ACP with two-tone finish. ]]
[[Image:NCIS7 211.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Daniel Cryer ([[Erik Palladino]]) pulls a two-tone [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] on Ziva in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04). ]]

==Jericho 941 "Baby Eagle"==
In Season 5's "About Face" (S5E17), Tesla Suskavcevic (James Logan) pulls a [[Jericho 941]] on Jimmy Palmer from his car. Oddly, the gun that appears in his hand during Jimmy's flashback to their first encounter is a full-sized [[Desert Eagle]].

In Season 4's "Faking It", Russian arms dealer Arkady Kobach ([[V.J. Foster]]) lets his [[Jericho 941]] fall when he sees that Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) has the drop on him.

In Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop," the captain of the merchant ship ''Damocles'' uses one, almost shooting his first mate and holding it on Ziva before being shot from behind.
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Stainless IMI Jericho 941 9x19mm. The gun pictured here is the screen used pistol in the movie ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'']]
[[Image:NCIS6 117.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "About Face" (S5E17), Tesla (James Logan) pulls a [[Jericho 941]] on Jimmy from his car, his gun revealed to be a "Baby Eagle" instead of a full-sized [[Desert Eagle]].]]
[[Image:NCIS34 507.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Faking It", Russian arms dealer Arkady Kobach ([[V.J. Foster]]) lets his [[Jericho 941]] fall.]]
[[Image:GoodcopbadcopJericho_941.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|The captain of the ''Damocles'' takes cover with his Jericho 941 before being found by Mossad]]

==Kahr P9==
In Season 3's "Untouchable", a [[Kahr P9]] is found next to a dead female Naval officer.
[[Image:KahrP9.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Kahr P9 9x19mm with stainless steel finish]]
[[Image:NCIS2 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Untouchable", a Kahr P9 is photographed for evidence. Note the extended magazine.]]

==Magnum Research Desert Eagle==
In Season 5's "About Face" (S5E17), criminal Tesla Suskavcevic (James Logan) opens fire on Jimmy Palmer (Brian Dietzen) with a [[Desert Eagle]] sporting a stainless steel finish. Oddly, when Tesla is confronted at the end of the episode, his gun is a [[Jericho 941]], or "Baby Eagle." Aside from the possibility that he owns two pistols, it is also possible that the Desert Eagle that appears in Jimmy's memory is a trick of his imagination, making the gun he saw appear much bigger than it really was. This is consistent with the theme of the episode, emphasizing how shaken Jimmy is after being shot at. In Season 6's "Judgment Day", a gang member uses one but is gunned down by Mike Franks.
[[Image:DesertEagle50AE.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Desert Eagle .50 AE with stainless steel finish]]
[[Image:NCIS6 116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jimmy visualizes Tesla's (James Logan) Desert Eagle in Season 5's "About Face".]]

==Magnum Research Micro Eagle==
A Magnum Research Micro Eagle is used by Paloma Reynosa ([[Jacqueline Obradors]]) in Season 8's premiere "The Spider and the Fly".
[[File:MicroDE.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Magnum Research Micro Eagle is used by Paloma Reynosa ([[Jacqueline Obradors]]) in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

==Makarov PM==
In his first appearance, Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) uses a [[Makarov PM]] equipped with a suppressor to hold Kate ([[Sasha Alexander]]), Gerald, and Ducky ([[David McCallum]]) hostage in Season 1's "Bête Noire" (S01E16). A suppressed Makarov is used by Faatin Amal (Saba Homayoon) in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".

[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Russian '''Makarov PM''' 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:NCIS2 12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) holds his Makarov on Kate in Season 1's "Bête Noire" (S01E16).]]
[[Image:NCISS4 602.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Amal (Saba Homayoon) uses a suppressed Makarov in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".]]
[[Image:NCISS4 605.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A suppressed Makarov pistol is seen in closeup. In a continuity error, a CZ83 is later briefly seen instead of a Makarov.]]

==Para Ordnance Companion C7.45==
In Season 2's "Chained", Tony uses a [[M1911 pistol series#Para-Ordnance P-12|Para Ordnance C7.45]] (as evidenced by the factory Para grips and the LDA hammer and trigger).
[[Image:Para Ordinance P-12 45.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Para-Ordnance P12, similar to C7.45]]
[[Image:NCIS1 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Chained", Tony uses a [[M1911 pistol series|Para Ordnance C7.45]]. Note the factory Para grips and the LDA hammer and trigger.]]

==Ruger Mk I==
In Season 6's "South by Southwest", a [[Ruger Mk I]] is used to assassinate an NCIS agent.
[[Image:RugerMk1Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger Mk I pistol - .22 LR]]
[[Image:NCISS5 701.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "South by Southwest", a [[Ruger Mk I]] is used to assassinate an NCIS agent.]]

==Smith & Wesson SW1911PD==
Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) carries a [[M1911 pistol series#Smith & Wesson SW1911|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD]] with the full 5" barrel as his sidearm. It can be seen in the Season 5 episodes "Judgment Day, Part 1" and "Judgment Day, Part 2". What differentiates the PD model are the front serrations on the slide that's similar to those in such handguns as the Kimber. The pistol also has a desert tan Crimson Trace grip-mounted laser sight. The SW1911PD is also used in the Season 6 episode "Deliverance", the season 7 finale "Rule Fifty-One" and the Season 8 premiere "The Spider and the Fly". Franks also pulls it in Season 8's "Swan Song" before it was taken by the Port-to-Port Killer Jonas Cobb (Kerr Smith). Cobb is seen brandishing it in Season 8's finale "Pyramid".
[[File:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD - .45 ACP. The one used by Franks has no tactical rail.]]
[[Image:NCIS6 110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) uses a [[M1911 pistol series#Smith & Wesson SW1911|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD]] in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1" (S5E18).]]
[[Image:NCISS4 5606.jpg|thumb|none|500px|He also uses SW1911 in Season 6's "Deliverance". Note the front serrations, indicating the PD model.]]
[[File:NCISS8 301.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cobb (Kerr Smith) is seen brandishing the SW1911PD in Season 8's finale "Pyramid". Note the Crimson-Trace grips and the "SW1911PD" engraved on the slide.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
A terrorist, disguised as a trooper, uses a S&W 5906 to gun down the naval officers in Season 2's "Twilight". In Season 3's "Jeopardy", James Dempsey ([[Connor Trinneer]]) holds NCIS Director Sheperd ([[Lauren Holly]]) hostage with a [[Smith & Wesson 5900 pistol series#Smith & Wesson 5906|Smith & Wesson 5906]]. In Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" (S6E20), CIA Agent Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) takes a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] from a terrorist that he shot after planting his Glock on the dead guy. A police officer pulls a S&W in Season 8's "Kill Screen".

[[Image:S&W5906EarlyModel.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Early Model Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm. The early model 5906 pistols had the finger step trigger guard, but they changed it to the rounded trigger guard for 'ease of production'.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22004.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James Dempsey ([[Connor Trinneer]]) holds NCIS Director Sheperd ([[Lauren Holly]]) hostage with the Smith & Wesson 5906.]]
[[Image:NCIS police officer.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A police officer pulls his S&W after he finds teeth and finger parts inside a purse in Season 8's "Kill Screen".]]
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Vincent's Smith & Wesson 5906 from ''[[Collateral]]'' - 9x19mm. This is a screen used gun. Note the late model 5906 pistols have the rounded trigger guard. ]]
[[Image:NCIS3 22.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A terrorist, disguised as a trooper, uses a suppressed 5906 to gun down the naval officers in Season 2's "Twilight".]]
[[Image:NCIS3 23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The naval officers are taken out with the S&W.]]
[[Image:NCIS7 203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] is seen in the hands of a terrorist taken out by Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" (S6E20).]]
[[Image:Deadreckoningpicksup.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|Kort takes the 5906 from a slain terrorist. Note the S&W's hammer.]]
[[Image:NCIS7 701.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CIA Agent Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) pulls his [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] in "Dead Reckoning".]]

==Taurus PT92C==
The North Korean sleeper agent Yoon Dawson ([[Esther Chae]]) holds a suppressed [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92C]] in Season 3's "Light Sleeper".
[[Image:Taurus-PT92CS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT92CS - Stainless version of the Compact PT92C - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 22007.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Yoon Dawson ([[Esther Chae]]) holds a suppressed [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92C]] in Season 3's "Light Sleeper".]]

==Taurus PT945==
A [[Taurus PT945]] is seen in the hands of an intruder that is shot by Marine Sergeant Heather Dempsey ([[Abby Brammell]]) in Season 8's "Short Fuse". The weapon seems to be the same used on the set of ''[[U.S. Marshals#Taurus PT945|U.S. Marshals]]'' because the serial number is filed off. Also the [[Taurus PT945]] first series is not easily available with the silver hammer, in fact was produced almost exclusively with black hammer.
[[Image:945SS.jpg|350px|thumb|none|Taurus PT945 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NCISS8 05.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A [[Taurus PT945]] is seen being swabbed by Abby in Season 8's "Short Fuse". ]]
[[Image:NCISS8 06.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Closeup of the Taurus. Note that the serial number has been filed off right below the slide, exactly like the prop weapon seen in the film ''[[U.S. Marshals#Taurus PT945|U.S. Marshals]]''.]]

==Tokarev TT-33==
A [[Tokarev TT-33]] pistol is seen in photos in "A Man Walks into a Bar" as a murder weapon.

[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Tula Arsenal (Soviet Union) Note CCCP printing around the star on the plastic grips]]

[[Image:NCIS Tokarev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby shows Gibbs photos of a Russian-made Tokarev pistol.]]

==Tower Lancers Pistol==
In Season 7's "Reunion", a 19th Century Tower Lancers Pistol is used by a suspect to shoot a man that the NCIS team was looking for.
[[Image:NCISS7 104.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby shows a photo of the Tower Lancers Pistol.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 106.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Tower Lancers Pistol is seen in the case in Season 7's "Reunion".]]

==Walther PPK/S==
Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]), Gibbs former CO, owns and uses an Interarms imported [[Walther PPK/S]] in Season 1's "Enigma" (S01E15).
[[Image:WaltherPPKS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther PPK/S stainless - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:NCIS2 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) uses an Interarms imported [[Walther PPK/S]] in Season 1's "Enigma".]]
[[Image:NCIS2 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the Walther in "Enigma".]]
[[File:NCIS34 510.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A suspect holds the suppressed Walther in Season 4's "Singled Out".]]

==Walther P99==
A kidnapper is seen about to use a suppressed [[Walther P99]] on a kidnapped Marine right before Gibbs and the team breach the room in Season 3's "Honor Code". In Season 8's "Baltimore", a Walther P99 is specifically identified as the weapon of a suspect.

[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 9mm. Note the ramped trigger guard, small slide serrations, closed and proprietary accessory rail, short magazine release and slightly more curved 'tail' of the pre-2004 models.]]
[[Image:NCISS3 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of a suppressor being attached to the Walther in Season 3's "Honor Code".]]
[[File:NCIS Walther P99.jpg|thumb|none|501px|In Season 8's "Baltimore", an armed suspect aiming the P99 at Tony during his time as a Baltimore PD detective in 2001.]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[File:IMG 0444.JPG|thumb|301px|none|]]
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|501px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 01.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:NCISS8 04.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

=Revolvers=
==Colt Detective Special==
A [[Colt Detective Special]] 3rd Gen is held by Dennis in Season 5's "Stakeout".
[[Image:ColtDS.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:NCISS5 505.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Colt Detective Special]] 3rd Gen is held by Dennis in Season 5's "Stakeout".]]

==Colt Python==
In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer is seen showing a [[Colt Python]] to a customer.
[[Image:ColtPython6In.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS56 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer is showing a [[Colt Python]] to a customer.]]

==Colt 1860 Army==
In Season 3's "Silver War", a coffin is unearthed containing several weapons from the Civil War, including a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver.
[[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Judd Kearns (Byrne Offutt) unwraps the Colt 1860 from its wrappings in the coffin.]]

== LeMat 1861 ==
In Season 3's "Silver War", a coffin is unearthed containing several weapons from the Civil War, including a [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] revolver.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LeMat 1861 current reproduction - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Thieves unwrap the LeMat 1861 revolver.]]

==Ruger GP100==
In Season 2's "Pop Life" (S2E16), club owner Ian Alfred "Bulldog" Hitch ([[Steven Brand]]) is seen using a [[Ruger GP100]] to threaten one of his dancers, Samantha "Jade" King (Mya Harrison). In Season 4's "Cover Story", a blued Ruger is used to threaten Abby.
[[Image:GP101.jpg|thumb|none|325px|Ruger GP100, Stainless Version - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the revolver.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ian Alfred "Bulldog" Hitch ([[Steven Brand]]) pulls the Ruger on Jade in Season 2's "Pop Life".]]

[[Image:NCISS7 5509.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Cover Story", a blued Ruger is used to threaten Abby.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==
In Season 6's "Capitol Offense", McGee falls into a small pond where he finds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] that may have been used in a Navy lieutenant's murder. DiNozzo calls it a "Smith & Wesson. 38 Kit".
[[Image:S&W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB Revolver .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5126.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Capitol Offense", McGee falls into a small pond where he finds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]].]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5127.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the Model 10 revolver.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
In the Season 3 episode "Deception," a security guard holds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] on Ziva and Tony, but Ziva kicks the weapon out of his hands. What appears to be a S&W 19 is used by a murder victim's brother in Season 8's "False Witness" to intimidate her murderer.
[[Image:S%26WModel19-4Inch.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:NCIS revolver.jpg|thumb|none|501px|What appears to be a S&W 19 is used by a murder victim's brother in Season 8's "False Witness".]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 37==
Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]) carries a Model 37 with a black finish in an ankle holster as his backup weapon. In the Season 3 episode "Mind Games", he uses it to threaten sadistic serial killer Kyle Boone (Christopher Shyer). In the later Season 3 episode "Probie," he gives it to McGee, whose weapon has been temporarily confiscated, to back Gibbs up as they go to question a suspect. In the Season 9 episode "Restless", it was seen beside ex-con Curtis when Gibbs and the NCIS team (except Ziva) were approaching him on the roof of a taco restaurant building.

A nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight]] revolver is used to kill a bully on a Navy base in the Season 6 episode "Hide & Seek". Checking out its violent history causes Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) to label it an "evil gun" and describe it as possessed (as it was used in convenience store hold-ups and other crimes each time it changed hands).

[[Image:M37AirLeft.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith and Wesson Model 37 Airweight - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS 22025.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs holds his backup S&W to the head of Boone in Season 3's "Mind Games".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 711.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight]] revolver is found in a box in Season 6's "Hide & Seek".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 712.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby tries to lift the curse off the S&W in Season 6's "Hide & Seek".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 713.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby test-fires the S&W.]]
[[File:NCIS revolver a.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The Model 37 found beside a semi-drugged Curtis in Season 9's "Restless".]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight|Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight]] revolver is found on the floorboard of a car by DC police in Season 4's "Faking It" (S4E04). A 637 is also used by Ziva in Season 5's "Recoil".
[[Image:S&WModel637.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight (Stainless Steel Version of the Model 37) Current production - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS34 506.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight|Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight]] revolver is found on the floorboard of a car by DC police in Season 4's "Faking It" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:NCISS5 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the S&W in "Recoil".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva uses the 637 in Season 5's "Recoil".]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 60 ==
In Season 2's "Terminal Leave", DiNozzo is seen carrying a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] as his backup weapon when jogging with a Navy commander.
[[Image:Classic60.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 60]]
[[Image:NCIS12 416.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Terminal Leave", DiNozzo is seen carrying a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] as his backup weapon when jogging with a Navy commander.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] is said to have been used by Amanda Reed (Jamie Luner) in Season 1's "Dead Man Talking" (S1E19). Gibbs referred to it as being "small, and easy to conceal." However, this is an error since the image of the gun that flashes on the lab screen (a stock product photo from the S&W catalog) is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]], not the Model 66. The Model 60 is much more concealable than the larger framed Model 66. The 66 is also pulled by distraught housewife Greta Boyen (Rebecca Staab) in Season 2's "Terminal Leave". The 66 also is used by "kidnappers" in Season 8's "Defiance" (S8E15).

[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 66]]
[[Image:NCIS3 20.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Amanda Reed (Jamie Luner) holds the S&W in Season 1's "Dead Man Talking".]]
[[Image:NCIS12 418.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Greta Boyen (Rebecca Staab) points a snub [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] at Micki Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]])]]
[[Image:NCIS12 419.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Micki's husband David (Sean O'Bryan) tries to talk Greta down.]]
[[Image:NCIS12 408.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ATF Special Agent Melinda Stone ([[Bellamy Young]]) holds the S&W in Season 1's "Split Decision".]]
[[Image:NCIS hostage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A S&W 66 used by a "kidnapper" in Season 8's "Defiance" (S8E15). ]]
[[Image:NCIS table.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The same S&W 66 used by the kidnapper placed aside on a table.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 340PD ==
Ziva carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 340PD]] as her backup gun, which she carries in an ankle holster and she once dual wielded along with her SIG in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning". She is also seen briefly handling it before going undercover in Season 8's "Dead Air".
[[Image:Smith & Wesson Model 340PD.jpg|350px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 340PD - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS7 205.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Dead Reckoning", Ziva pulls her backup S&W 340PD from her ankle holster.]]
[[Image:NCISS5 716.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva with the 340 drawn in her left and her SIG in her right.]]
[[Image:NCIS7 208.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva fires the S&W 340.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 627 ==
Natasha Lenkov (Kathleen Gati) holds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 627]] on Gibbs and Franks in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part II".
[[Image:S&W627.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Performance Center 627 .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS6 115.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Natasha Lenkov (Kathleen Gati) holds the [[Smith & Wesson Model 627]] on Gibbs and Franks in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part II".]]

==Webley Mk IV==
A [[Webley Mk IV]] revolver was used by CIA station chief Loretta Tennison in Season 8's "Royals & Loyals".
[[Image:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley Mk.IV WW2 British Army version chambered for .38 S&W]]

[[Image:NCIS Webley.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Webley Mk. IV in the hands of CIA station chief Loretta Tennison.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Beretta M12==
Alejandro Rivera uses a [[Beretta M12]] to shoot up the safe house in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".
[[Image:Beretta_M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M12 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS M12.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Alejandro Rivera chambers a [[Beretta M12]] while preparing to shoot up the safe house in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

==Brügger & Thomet MP-9==
A [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]] is used by Russians in a drive-by ambush on OSP Agent Callen ([[Chris O'Donnell]]) in Season 6's "Legend, Part 2".
[[File:B&T-MP9.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Brügger & Thomet MP-9 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-SMG-HD-2.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Drive-by shooter opens fire with a [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]] in Season 6's "Legend, Part 2".]]

==FN P90==
Mossad Officer Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]) uses an [[FN P90]] during the firefight on the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop". Two P90s are also visible in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:NCIS7 2007.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossad Officer Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]) uses a [[FN P90]] during the firefight on the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
The three men that accompany Jason Dean to the airport in the Season 7 finale "Rule Fifty-One" use [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5Ks]] during the ensuing shootout.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5K 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCISS7 310.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A guard that accompanies Jason Dean to the airport in the Season 7 finale "Rule Fifty-One" uses his [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] during the ensuing shootout.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
In the series premiere "Yankee White" (S1E01), an Al Qaeda sleeper takes a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] from the armory of Air Force One. Two [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]s can be seen in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:MP5K-PDWEarly.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|MP5K 9x19mm with the PDW-style folding stock attached, commonly used in films to emulate the PDW. The real MP5K-PDW, illustrated below, is distinctive in having the longer barrel and the newer trigger group.]]
[[Image:NCIS1 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the series premiere "Yankee White" (S1E01), Gibbs finds MP5K-PDW's in the Air Force One armory. This episode was filmed on the same set used for ''[[Air Force One]]'', a film which Gibbs even mentions in the episode.]]
[[Image:NCIS1 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The sleeper is taken down while holding the MP5K-PDW.]]
[[Image:Sanctuary_5.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's "Power Down", two [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]s and two [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]]s inside the "sanctuary" are seen in a polaroid picture.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
SRT members are seen carrying [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]'s during the hostage situation at the school in Season 3's "Bait". Russian special forces posing as pirates in Season 5's "Chimera" also carry [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]s with dedicated forends and Navy trigger groups.
[[Image:SWATMP5.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 9x19mm with forend weapon light and Navy trigger group]]
[[Image:NCIS3 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A SRT operator accompanies Gibbs during a hostage situation.]]
[[Image:Russian_1.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A Russian "pirate" has the [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] slung as he prepares to board the ship in Season 5's "Chimera".]]
[[Image:Russian_2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A Russian "pirate" with his [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]. Note the Navy trigger group.]]
[[Image:Russian_3.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The Russian "pirate" leader ([[Graham McTavish]]) holds his [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]. Note the dedicated forend.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
In Season 1's "Enigma", Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] from one of his captors. In Season 1's "Split Decision", Gibbs goes undercover as an arms dealer, and uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]]. Several are also seen in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Enigma", Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] from one of his captors.]]
[[Image:NCIS 001.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Split Decision", Gibbs displays a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] while undercover.]]
[[Image:Sanctuary 7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s, a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]], and an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] in the "sanctuary" seen in Season 7's "Power Down".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP7==
In the Season 7 episode "Power Down", two [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s can be seen hanging on a wall of the "sanctuary".
[[Image:Hk mp7 b-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 with Zeiss Z-Point sight - 4.6x30mm.]]
[[Image:Sanctuary 7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s, a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]], and an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] in the "sanctuary"]]

==IMI Uzi==
Ziva uses a full size [[Uzi]] during the firefight aboard the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04).
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS7 2004.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva uses a full size [[Uzi]] during the firefight aboard the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04).]]

==IMI Micro Uzi==
In a flashback, Ziva uses a [[Micro Uzi]] to a Mossad Kidon assassination in Paris in Season 4's "Shalom" (SE01).
[[File:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|350px]]
[[File:NCISS4 600.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In a flashback, Ziva uses a [[Micro Uzi]] to a Mossad Kidon assassination in Paris in Season 4's "Shalom" (SE01).]]

==Intratec TEC-9==
In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer shows an [[Interdynamic KG-9 / Intratec TEC-9|Intratec TEC-9]] to a potential client, saying "TEC-9, full auto, empty a clip in 4 seconds" and encourages him to fire it, the burst hitting the roof of the abandoned warehouse and causing the body of an already-slain Marine to fall through the skylight. It was also seen in Season 3's "Iced".
[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS56 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer shows an [[Interdynamic KG-9 / Intratec TEC-9|Intratec TEC-9]] to a potential client.]]

==Skorpion SA Vz.61==
A terrorist in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" uses a [[Skorpion SA Vz 61]] to shoot at Trent Kort before being killed by him. Kort then uses the Skorpion to shoot another terrorist. While usually chambered in .32 ACP, there is evidence that Vz61 clone pistols were chambered in .380 in the 1980's.
[[Image:Skorpion-SA-VZ-61.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Skorpion SA Vz.61 .32 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS7 204.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Trent Kort uses a [[Skorpion SA Vz 61]] in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning".]]

=Rifles=
==AKM==
The [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]] is a frequent weapon used by terrorists and suspects in the series.

[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS1 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A terrorist opens up on the NCIS team with an AKM in Season 1's "Seadog".]]
[[File:NCIS AK gunfire.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A Jaysh El-Mo'mineen guerrilla fires an AKM on US Marines in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]

==AKMS==
In the Season 2 finale "Twilight", several terrorists can be seen firing [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] rifles at Gibbs and the team to no avail. The weapon is also used by various other characters in the series.
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKMS 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 011.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A terrorist opens up with an AKMS in Season 2's "Twilight".]]

==Arisaka Type 99 Rifle==
Imperial Japanese soldiers are seen with the [[Arisaka Rifle|Type 99 Arisaka Rifle]] as Ernie Yost ([[Charles Durning]]) remembers his time on Iwo Jima in Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07).
[[Image:Arisaka-Type-99.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Arisaka Type 99 battle rifle - 7.7x58mm]]
[[Image:NCIS1 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Imperial Japanese soldiers are seen with the [[Arisaka Rifle|Type 99 Arisaka Rifle]] as Ernie Yost ([[Charles Durning]]) remembers his time on Iwo Jima in Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07).]]

==Enfield Pattern 1853==
The [[British 1853 Enfield|Enfield Pattern 1853]] rifle is carried by Union re-enactors in Season 3's "Silver War".
[[Image:1853enfield.jpg|thumb|none|400px|British 1853 Enfield.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|What appears to be the Enfield rifle is seen in the far background.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
Two [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]]s can be seen in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down". A G36C with a mounted suppressor on the barrel is seen in Season 9's "Enemy on the Hill" (S9E04) when Gibbs and Tony uncover the assassin's hidden arms stash in his garage.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Sanctuary_5.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Two [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]s and two [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]]s inside the "sanctuary".]]
[[File:NCIS G36C.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The G36C hidden in the arms stash in Season 9's "Enemy on the Hill" (S9E04). It has the mounted Single Fire-based selector.]]

==Henry 1860==
In Season 3's "Silver War", a [[Henry 1860]] is seen used by a Civil War reenactor.
[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Henry 1860 brass-frame - .44 Rimfire (RF).]]
[[Image:NCIS34 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Silver War", a [[Henry 1860]] lever action rifle is seen used by a Civil War reenactor.]]

==Henry Rifle==
What appears to be a Winchester rifle converted to resemble a [[Henry 1860]] rifle is carried by Sheriff Boyd ([[Lance Henriksen]]) and then used by Gibbs to shoot down a helicopter in Season 6's "South by Southwest" (S6E17). The rifle, which is referred to as a "Henry" by Boyd, is seen fitted with a Vernier sight and has a longer octagonal barrel of a Henry, but is side loading like a Winchester.
[[File:NCISS6 231.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs with the rifle in Season 6's "South by Southwest" (S6E17).]]
[[File:NCISS6 230.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs takes aim with the rifle.]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x17-RIFLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs lining up his shot with the Vernier sight.]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x17-RIFLE-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closer shot.]]

== Colt M4A1 Carbine ==
The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] can be seen used by various US Military personnel and gunmen throughout the series. In Season 5's "In The Zone" (S5E15), US Marines as well as Tony are seen carrying M4A1 during an investigation in Iraq. Two are visible on a rack in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down". In Season 9's "Engaged, Part II" (S9E09), US Marines as well as Gibbs and Ziva are armed with M4A1's during a raid in Afghanistan.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope]]
[[Image:NCIS56 06.jpg|thumb|none|501px|In Season 5's "In The Zone", Tony carries an M4A1 during his investigation in Iraq.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-M4-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Legend, Part 1", an M4A1 Carbine is seen during a deal - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:NCISS9 16a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marine Captain Craig Quincy (Lamonica Garrett) opens fire with the M4A1 in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]
[[Image:NCISS9 24.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs and US Marines armed with the M4A1 in Afghanistan in an anti-guerrilla raid in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]
[[Image:NCISS9 27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva shouldering the M4A1 in Afghanistan in an anti-guerrilla raid in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]

==Colt Model 933==
In Season 6's "Cloak", US Navy guards are armed with the [[Colt Model 933]] rifle fitted with a weaponlight. US Coast Guard officers carry [[M16 rifle series#Colt Model 933|Colt Model 933]] rifles in Season 9's "Safe Harbor" while checking out a deserted ship.
[[Image:Colt m4 commando 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 933 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:NCISS6 5118.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Cloak", a US Navy guard is armed with the [[Colt Model 933]] rifle fitted with a weaponlight.]]
[[File:NCISS6 5119.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Cloak", a US Navy guard is armed with the [[Colt Model 933]] rifle while escorting Jimmy Palmer and Special Agent Michelle Lee (Liza Lapira).]]
[[File:NCIS US Coast Guard rifle.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A US Coast Guard officer shouldering the Model 933 in Season 9's "Safe Harbor".]]

==M1 Garand ==
The [[M1 Garand]] rifle is seen held by members of a honor guard detail in several episodes. The ceremonial soldiers who guard the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier are seen holding Garands in Season 9's "Engaged, Part I" (S9E08).
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]
[[File:NCISS5 5101.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:NCISS5 5102.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:NCISS9 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The ceremonial soldiers who guard the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier are seen holding Garands in Season 9's "Engaged, Part I" (S9E08).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
The [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifle]] is notably carried by US Marines in several episodes as well as other characters throughout the series.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A2 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCISS1 104.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Marine at the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center takes aim with the scoped M16A2 in Season 1's "Minimum Security" (S1E08).]]
[[Image:NCIS56 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "In The Zone", the Marine behind Special Agent Nikki Jardine is seen carrying the M16A2.]]
[[File:NCISS5 705.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bart Lemming ([[Tim Guinee]]) takes aim with a scoped M16A2 from a helicopter in Season 6's "South by Southwest" (S06E17).]]
[[File:NCISS5 706.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lemming aims the M16 in Season 6's "South by Southwest" (S06E17).]]

==Remington 7400==
A [[Remington 7400]] is used by a suspect in Season 8's "Dead Air" to murder a Navy commander and two radio station employees.
[[File:7400wd-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 7400]]
[[Image:NCIS 7400.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Abby shows Gibbs a picture of the 7400 in Season 8's "Dead Air".]]
[[Image:NCIS 7400 SUV.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Taking the 7400 from the trunk of a Ford Explorer.]]
[[Image:NCIS 7400 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The 7400 with a riflescope and a sling.]]

==Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistol==
Smugglers are seen firing [[M16|Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistols]] at Tony and Ziva in Season 3's "Boxed In".
[[File:RoAr Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistol without magazine.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Patriot Pistol with a CTAC red-dot sight.]]

==Ruger Mini-14==
In the Season 3 episode "Ravenous", a scoped [[Ruger Mini-14]] is carried by Park Ranger James Landis ([[Todd Allen]]). Gibbs also used the Mini-14 to shoot Park Ranger James Landis in the butt.
[[Image:Ruger-Mini-14.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Blued Ruger Mini-14 Standard Model Semiautomatic Rifle (Pre-2005) with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS3 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Park Ranger James Landis ([[Todd Allen]]) with his Ruger Mini-14 in Season 4's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCIS3 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs with the scoped Mini-14. This shot is seen in the opening credits of the show.]]

==SIG SG 551==
Reynosa Cartel soldiers use [[SIG SG 551]] assault rifles to shoot up the country store owned by Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]) in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly". Dual SIG SG 551 rifles are used to act as a machine gun post before Liat and Gibbs shoot out its control mechanism.

[[Image:Sig-551.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG SG 551 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCISS8 09.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Reynosa Cartel soldiers use [[SIG SG 551]] assault rifles to shoot up the country store owned by Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]) in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]
[[Image:NCIS rigged machine guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Liat and Gibbs shoot the control mechanism of the SG 551 machine gun post.]]

==SIG SG 552==
The [[SIG SG 552]] is used by Sam, Kensi and other NCIS agents in Season 6's "Legend Pt. 2" (6x23) when they raid a garage that is the headquarters of a suspected terrorist cell. Drug cartel gunmen are armed with this as well.
[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG SG 552 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:KENZI-BLYE-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]), Renko and another NCIS agent exiting raid vehicle armed with the SIG SG 552.]]
[[Image:SAM-HANNA-SIG-552-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) slings his SIG SG after switching to his secondary, a [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Renko (Brian Avers) walking through the raid target with his SIG SG 552.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 304.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drug cartel gunmen with SG 552s when they were cornered by Mexican Federal Police officers.]]

==Springfield 1873 "Trapdoor" Carbine==
In Season 3's "Silver War", Union re-enactors are seen with the [[Springfield 1873 "Trapdoor" Carbine]].
[[Image:UmbertiTrapdoorCarbine.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Replica Springfield Model 1873 '''Cavalry Carbine''' "Trapdoor Springfield" built by Uberti Arms - .45-70]]
[[Image:NCIS34 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Union soldier re-enactors fire the Trapdoor carbine.]]

==Winchester 1873==
A [[Winchester Model 1873]] rifle is owned by Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]), who keeps it loaded on the wall. In Season 7's "Faith", Jackson mentions that he had to use his Winchester to kill someone trying to rob his store. He also holds it on Paloma Reynosa when she confronts him in his store in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester 1873 .44-40]]
[[Image:NCISS8 07.jpg|thumb|none|502px|Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]) holds the Winchester on Paloma in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

==Winchester Model 1892==
Artist Dina Risi ([[Mira Furlan]]) aims what appears to be a [[Winchester Model 1892]] rifle at Gibbs and DiNozzo when they come looking for her in Season 6's "South by Southwest".
[[Image:Winchester1892.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester 1892 .44-40]]
[[Image:Sxsw lever action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Artist Dina Risi ([[Mira Furlan]]) aims what appears to be a [[Winchester Model 1892]] rifle at Gibbs and DiNozzo when they come looking for her in Season 6's "South by Southwest".]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==Accuracy International L96A1==
The [[Accuracy International L96A1]] is one of the sniper rifles Abby test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I". Also found in "Enemy on the Hill" in an assassin's hidden arms stash.
[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS 22023.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rifles in the NCIS crime lab.]]
[[File:NCIS sniper rifles.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AW Magnum as found by Gibbs and Tony.]]

==Blaser 93 Sniper Rifle==
In Season 1's "One Shot, One Kill", wannabe sniper Kyle Hendricks (Noah Segan) can be seen armed with a [[Blaser 93 sniper rifle]], equipped with a bipod and custom muzzle brake. It is also one of the sniper rifles Abby test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Blaser 93 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS2 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "One Shot, One Kill", Hendricks (Noah Segan) carries his customized [[Blaser 93 sniper rifle]] away from his latest sniper's rest.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22018.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby test-fires the Blaser in "Kill Ari, Part I".]]

==Bravo 51==
The [[Remington_Model_700|Bravo 51]] is featured prominently in the first 2 episodes of Season 3. Gibbs says the rifle is referred as a 'Kate', it was first used by Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) in the Season 2 finale "Twilight". In Season 3's premiere episodes, "Kill Ari, Parts I and II", Ari is seen handling one again. In Part I, it's also one of the weapons Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) test-fires in her lab as well as handled by Gibbs.
[[Image:Bravo51-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Bravo 51 7.62x51 NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS 010.JPG|thumb|none|500px|"Sorry, Caitlin." Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) with the Bravo 51. Ari is using a non-MIL dot scope, making the long distance shot with the "KATE" much harder.]]

==Heckler & Koch SL8==
Ziva can be seen using a suppressed SL8 in the season 7 episode "Rule Fifty-One". She uses it to provide sniper cover when DiNozzo and McGee try to arrest Jason Paul Dean ([[Dylan Bruno]]). She later uses the weapon unsupressed and loaded with blanks to flush out a kidnapper in Season 8's "Worst Nightmare".
[[Image:H%26KSL8Tactical.jpg|none|300px|thumb|[[Heckler & Koch SL8]] - .223 Remington/5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS7 215.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva providing overwatch and sniper support for Tony and McGee in the season 7 finale, ''Rule Fifty One''.]]

==M40A1 Sniper Rifle==
An [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40A1 sniper rifle]] appears in the episodes "Kill Ari Part 1" and "Kill Ari Part 2". It is the rifle used by Gibbs in his Marine days and he now keeps it in a case in his basement. He also uses it during the rescue mission in Season 7's premiere "Truth or Consequences", killing 2 terrorists at long range. It was also one of the weapons tested by Abby to see if it was used by Ari to kill Kate. It is presumed that a different M40A1 then that currently in Gibbs' basement was used by him to avenge the murder of his wife and daughter. He used said rifle to shoot their killer from long range (in excess of 700 yards), through the windshield of a moving pick up.
[[Image:M40a1standard-1-.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M40A1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS 22022.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs with the M40A1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:NCISS7 101.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs, in full ghillie suit, aiming his rifle in Season 7's "Truth or Consequences" (S07E01).]]

==M40A3 Sniper Rifle==
A Marine Corps [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40A3 sniper rifle]] is another rifle Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:M40a3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M40A3 sniper rifle with Harris bipod 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the M40A3 in "Kill Ari, Part I."]]

== Remington 700 BDL ==
A scoped [[Remington 700]] BDL rifle is held by Ritt Everett ([[Timothy Bottoms]]) in Season 2's "Vanished".
[[Image:Remington-Model-700-BDL 308.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope (current production) - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:NCISS2 401.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A scoped [[Remington 700]] BDL rifle is held by Ritt Everett ([[Timothy Bottoms]]) in Season 2's "Vanished".]]

==Remington 700PSS==
In Season 3's "Bait", an SRT sniper is seen with the [[Remington 700PSS]] rifle. Ziva uses one while covering Ducky in Season 4's "Blowback".
[[Image:RemingtonPSS700.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700PSS with Harris bipod, in .300 Win Mag]]
[[Image:NCIS3 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Bait", an SRT sniper is seen with the [[Remington 700PSS]] rifle.]]
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva covers Ducky with the Remington 700PSS and a night vision scope in Season 4's "Blowback".]]

==Tango 51==
A Tango 51 is an Tac-Ops accurized and blue-printed Remington M700 action, designed for high accuracy shooting. It is one of the sniper rifles Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:Tango51a.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tango 51]]
[[Image:NCIS 22023.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Winchester Model 70==
A [[Winchester Model 70]] is held in Season 9's "Engaged, Part I" (S9E08).
[[Image:NCISS9 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Winchester Model 70]] is held in Season 9's "Engaged, Part I" (S9E08).]]

=Shotguns=

==Benelli M4 Super 90==
Some of Drantyev's men are seen carrying [[Benelli M4 Super 90]] shotguns in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".
[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Benelli M4 Super 90 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS6 108.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Thugs approaching the Diner with their Benellis]]

==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
A [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is a murder weapon in Season 5's "Family". The team enters a garage where the "CyberVid Killer" is forced to hold a double-barreled shotgun in Season 6's "Murder 2.0". Gibbs swings one shut and hands it to Franks in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".
[[Image:StevesSBS1960s.jpg|thumb|none|350px|1960s Era Commercial Stevens hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5114.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "Family", DiNozzo is seen with the 12 gauge double barrel.]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A 12 Gauge hammerless shotgun is seen in Season 6's "Murder 2.0".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 13.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Gibbs holds the Double Barreled shotgun in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

== Heckler & Koch FABARM ==
Viggo Drantyev ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch FABARM FP6|Heckler & Koch FABARM]] shotgun when entering the diner in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".
[[Image:Heckler and koch shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch FABARM -12 Gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS6 106.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Viggo Drantyev ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch FABARM FP6|Heckler & Koch FABARM]] shotgun when entering the diner in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".]]

== Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" ==
A [[Mossberg 590]] Compact Cruiser is grabbed by a kidnapper in Season 3's "Honor Code".
[[Image:MossbergCompactCruiser.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS 22016.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The kidnapper grabs the 590 in Season 3's "Honor Code".]]

==Remington 870==
Several different models of the [[Remington 870]] are used in numerous episodes.

===Remington 870 (Police)===
In Season 2's finale "Twilight" (S2E26), Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]) uses a police [[Remington 870]] to flush out the terrorists in the warehouse. Kate ([[Sasha Alexander]]) uses it during the shootout before running out of ammo and tossing it to take a bullet for Gibbs. In Season 3's "Ravenous", a [[Remington 870 Shotgun|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot ]] shotgun is used by Gibbs as the team hunts a fugitive in the woods.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Version 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS3 27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kate holds the empty Remington in Season 2's "Twilight".]]
[[Image:NCIS 009.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs holds the 870 on a suspect in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]

Kate is seen using a [[Remington 870]] Police version with a dedicated forend weapon light to wound a suspect that took her SIG in Season 1's "UnSEALed".
[[Image:Model870P MAXlg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Police with a dedicated forend weapon light - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:NCIS3 16.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kate takes out the Remington. Note the ejection port.]]
[[Image:NCIS3 17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kate fires the 870 in Season 1's "UnSEALed".]]

===Remington 870 Police "Entry Gun"===
In Season 4's "Sandblast", Lt. Col. Hollis Mann is seen using a [[Remington 870]] Police Entry Gun fitted with a saddle shell holder and forend weapon light when raiding a suspected terrorist hideout.
[[Image:Model870P 14inlg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Police "Entry Gun" with a dedicated forend weapon light - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS4 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grabbing the 870 Police "Entry Gun".]]
[[Image:NCIS4 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Army CID Lt. Col. Hollis Mann ([[Susanna Thompson]]) holds the Remington 870 Police Entry Gun in Season 4's "Sandblast".]]

===Remington 870 Express Sureshot===
One of Viggo's men holds Express model of the Remington 870 the in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".
[[File:870-exp-ss-syn-cls-prod.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Express Sureshot]]
[[Image:NCIS6 109.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|One of Viggo's men holds Express model of the Remington 870 the in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".]]

===Remington 870 Express===
A turkey hunter is seen with a camouflage-painted [[Remington 870]] Express shotgun in Season 8's "False Witness".
[[File:Rem870Express.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]
[[Image:NCIS shotguns.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The turkey hunter on the left right is seen with a camouflage-painted [[Remington 870]] Express shotgun in Season 8's "False Witness".]]

==Savage 512 O/U Gold Wing shotgun==
A [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Savage 512 O/U Gold Wing]] shotgun is seen used by former Ensign Randy Wiles in Season 1's "The Curse".
[[File:Savage512.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]
[[Image:NCISS1 401.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the shotgun.]]
[[Image:NCISS1 403.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Former Ensign Randy Wiles holds the shotgun while questioned by Gibbs and Kate in Season 1's "The Curse".]]
[[Image:NCISS1 405.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Behind Wiles are several shotguns.]]

==Winchester Model 1200 Ranger==
A turkey hunter is seen with a [[Winchester Model 1200]] Ranger shotgun in Season 8's "False Witness".
[[File:WInchester Ranger Model 120.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:NCIS shotguns.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The turkey hunter on the far right is seen with a [[Winchester Model 1200]] Ranger shotgun in Season 8's "False Witness".]]

=Machine Guns=

==M60E3 Machine Gun==
In Season 1's "Split Decision", here Gibbs is undercover as an arms dealer, several short-barreled [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3 machine guns]] can be seen; Gibbs bringing them to make a sale, however the ones he brought to 'sell' didn't have firing pins.
[[Image:M60E3Short.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60E3 machine gun with short barrel as seen in ''[[Commando]]'' - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 002.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Roger Cooke ([[Scott MacDonald]]) holds the M60E3 in Season 1's "Split Decision" (S1E21).]]

==M240 Machine Gun==
What appears to be a rigged [[M240 Machine Gun]] is discovered by McGee and Malachi during a routine security check to locate potential security threats against Eli David.
[[File:M240-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:NCIS GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rigged machine gun found by Malachi ([[T.J. Ramini]]), which he disarms by pulling the electrical plug.]]

==M249 SAW Paratrooper==
A Marine is briefly seen using an [[M249 SAW]] in Season 9's "Engaged Part II".
[[File:M249ParaWAmmo.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:NCISS9 23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup shot of the M249 SAW Para.]]
[[File:NCISS9 28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The US Marine standing next to Ziva is armed with the M249 SAW Para.]]

== Browning M2 ==
A [[Browning M2]] HB is seen mounted on top of a Marine humvee Season 5's "In The Zone". A remote-operated Browning is seen in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".
[[Image:BrowningM2HB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2 .50 BMG]]
[[Image:NCIS56 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Browning M2]] HB is seen mounted on top of a Marine humvee Season 5's "In The Zone". ]]
[[Image:NCISS9 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A remote-operated Browning is seen in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]

=Heavy Weapons=
==FIM-92A Stinger==
An [[FIM-92A Stinger]] is seen in the weapons cache Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes Gibbs to see in Season 1's "Enigma".
[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FIM-92A Stinger 70mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An [[FIM-92A Stinger]] is seen in the weapons cache Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes Gibbs to see in Season 1's "Enigma".]]

==M72A2 LAW==
A crate of [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]'s in seen in Season 1's "Split Decision".
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm.]]
[[Image:NCIS12 406.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A crate of [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]'s in seen in Season 1's "Split Decision".]]

==M136 AT4==
In Season 1's "Split Decision", an [[M136 AT4]] is seen being put up for purchase on the internet.
[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|M136 AT4 Anti-Tank rocket launcher - 84mm]]
[[File:NCIS12 414.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The M72 LAW on the far left, the SMAW in the middle and the AT4 on the right.]]

==M141 SMAW-D==
In Season 1's "Split Decision", an [[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW#M141 SMAW-D|M141 SMAW-D]] is seen being put up for purchase on the internet.
[[Image:Image004.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW#M141 SMAW-D|M141 SMAW-D]] - 83mm]]
[[File:NCIS12 414.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The M72 LAW on the far left, the SMAW in the middle and the AT4 on the right.]]

== Norinco Type 69 RPG ==
A [[RPG-7|Type 69]] RPG is also seen in Col. Ryan's cache.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Type 69 rests on its bipod.]]

==M3 Carl Gustav Launcher==
A terrorist is seen using a rocket launcher that appears to be mocked up from an M3 [[Carl Gustav Recoilless Rifle]] in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign" in an attempt to kill Eli David ([[Michael Nouri]]). It resembles the mock-up launcher used in the series ''[[NCIS: Los Angeles]]'' and ''[[Chuck]]''.
[[Image:CarlGustavM3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Carl Gustav M3 - 84mm]]
[[Image:NCIS fake Spike.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A Palestinian terrorist prepares to aim the launcher in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign".]]
[[Image:NCIS Fake Spike sights.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fake scope sight of the launcher.]]

=Other=
==Advanced Taser M26==
Abby ([[Pauley Perrette]]) is seen using an [[Taser|Advanced Taser M26]] on her stalker in the Season 3 episode "Bloodbath". A security guard also shoots McGee with one in Season 6's "Silent Night".
[[Image:AdvancedM26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Advanced Taser M26]]
[[Image:NCIS 22001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby ([[Pauley Perrette]]) uses the Advanced Taser.]]

==Air Rifle==
A kid uses an air rifle to shoot a hole in an inflatable raft in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1".

[[Image:NCIS6 111.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The kid with his grin after seeing his handiwork.]]

==Paintball Gun==
A paintball gun is seen by ROTC students.
[[File:NCIS34 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==ASP Red Gun (SIG-Sauer P226R)==
Plastic replicas of [[SIG-Sauer P226]]'s are used by Gibbs, Tony and Mossad officers Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]) and Liat Tuvia (Sarai Givaty) during a training exercise in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign". The "guns" have laser aiming modules attached to their rails that appear to be activated when Gibbs pulls the trigger. Interestingly ASP replicas are solid pieces of plastic, the triggers don't move.

[[Image:NCIS replica.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs using an ASP Red Gun with a laser module in a training exercise.]]

==RKG-3==
A pair of [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]]s were confiscated by Gibbs in Season 9's "Thirst" (S9E06).

[[Image:Rk3-upg82.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]]
[[File:NCIS RKG-3.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Tony points out the two RKG-3s in a picture to a suspect during interrogation in Season 9's "Thirst" (S9E06).]]

==Mass of firearms==
Several pistols and other small arms are found by McGee in "A Man Walks into a Bar."

[[Image:NCIS pistols.jpg|thumb|none|500px|McGee discovers an array of pistols in Marcus Leonard's room.]]
[[Image:NCIS weapon collection.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another set of small arms on a table.]]
[[Image:NCIS weapon collection side shot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Side shot of the small arms found by McGee.]]

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[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''NCIS'' (2003-present) (DVD cover for Season 8)]]
[[Image:NCISS7.jpg|thumb|right|300px|NCIS DVD Cover for Season 7]]
[[Image:NCISCover.jpg|right|thumb|300px|NCIS Season 4 (2006-2007)]]

''NCIS'' is an American crime procedural series that centers around agents of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service investigating criminal cases involving military personnel in the Navy and Marine Corps. Most of the series' characters were introduced in the Season 8 episodes of ''[[JAG]]'' titled "Ice Queen" and "Meltdown". Premiering as a weekly show on CBS in September of 2003, the series' current cast includes [[Mark Harmon]], [[Michael Weatherly]], [[Cote de Pablo]], [[Sean Murray]], [[Pauley Perrette]], and [[David McCallum]]. ''[[NCIS Los Angeles]]'' is a spinoff of ''NCIS'' and several ''NCIS:LA'' characters were introduced in the Season 6 episodes "Legend Part I" and "Legend Part II".

'''The following weapons were used in the television series ''NCIS'':'''

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=Pistols=
==SIG-Sauer P228==
The [[SIG-Sauer P228]] is the main sidearm of nearly all the NCIS agents in the series including Special Agents Leroy Jethro Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]), Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]), Timothy McGee ([[Sean Murray]]), Caitlin Todd ([[Sasha Alexander]]) and Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]). CGIS (Coast Guard Investigative Service) Special Agents Abigail Borin ([[Diane Neal]]) and Kyle Omagi (Eddie Shin) also are seen carrying SIG-Sauer P228's in Season 7's "Jurisdiction", although they would in reality carry a P239 DAK or a P229 DAK in some cases. FBI Special Agent Tobias Fornell ([[Joe Spano]]) is seen carrying a SIG-Sauer P228 in some episodes, notably "Identity Theft". In a flashback to an assassination operation in Paris in Season 5's "Judgment Day parts 1 & 2", Gibbs uses a suppressed SIG-Sauer P228 to kill ex-KGB assassin turned contract killer Anatoli Zukov. NCIS Special Agents Gayle Levin ([[Alimi Ballard]]) and Simon Cade ([[Matthew Willig]]) draw their P228's in Season 8's "Swan Song" (S8E23).

[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCISS8 111.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Leroy Jethro Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]) draws his SIG-Sauer P228 in Season 8.]]
[[Image:NCIS 004.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Caitlin "Kate" Todd ([[Sasha Alexander]]) pulls her P228 in Season 2's "Chained".]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 006.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Timothy McGee ([[Sean Murray]]) fires his P228 in Season 2's finale "Twilight".]]
[[Image:NCIS3 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Director Jenny Shepard ([[Lauren Holly]]) checks her SIG in Season 3's "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 501.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "Lost and Found" (S5E09), Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) fires a SIG-Sauer P228 into her water tank to perform a ballistics test, while a Boy Scout from McGee's troop looks on with a grin (after Ziva and Tony have expressed some concern up in the squadroom about leaving a minor in Abby's care).]]
[[File:NCISS5 404.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Officer Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws the SIG in Season 5's "Leap of Faith".]]
[[File:NCISS5 506.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo draws his P228 in Season 5's "Stakeout".]]
[[Image:NCIS6 204.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", Special Agent G. Callen ([[Chris O'Donnell]]), opens fire with his [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:SAM-HANNA-SIG-552-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", Special Agent Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) slings his SIG SG after switching to his secondary, a [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 7's "Ignition" (S7E11).]]
[[Image:NCISS8 30.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Special Agent Simon Cade ([[Matthew Willig]]) draws his [[SIG-Sauer P228]] in Season 8's "Swan Song".]]

==SIG-Sauer P229==
In Season 4's "Faking It", retired NIS (Naval Investigative Service, the immediate predecessor to NCIS) Agent Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) holds a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P229]] on arms dealer Arkady Kobach - in Franks' own words, a "scary S.O.B." that kept him awake for 15 years. An ordinary P229 was used by a US Coast Guard officer in "Safe Harbor".

[[File:Sig229Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Two tone SIG-Sauer P229 Stainless (note lack of rail) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS34 509.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Faking It", retired NIS Agent Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) holds a [[SIG-Sauer P229]]. '''Arkady''': "You think you are the first person to point a gun at me?" '''Franks''': "No, but I will be the last."]]
[[Image:NCIS34 508.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the SIG.]]
[[File:NCIS Coast Guard Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A US Coast Guard officer draws his P229 while searching a deserted ship in Season 9's "Safe Harbor".]]

==SIG-Sauer P230==
CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin ([[Diane Neal]]) carries a [[SIG-Sauer P230]] as her off-duty weapon in Season 8's "Ships in the Night". She is seen pulling it from her purse at the episode's beginning.
[[File:SigP230SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:NCIS compact sig.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin ([[Diane Neal]]) is armed with the P230 while checking the cruise ship.]]
[[Image:NCIS compact sig a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of Borin holding the P230.]]

==SIG-Sauer P239==
In the NCIS episodes "Legend, Part I" and "Legend, Part II", NCIS Special Agent Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P239|SIG-Sauer P239]] to threaten a group of bangers.
[[File:SIG P239 9MM BLK.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P239 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-KENZI-BLYE-SIG-SAUER-P229-HD-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) with her SIG-Sauer P239 - 9mm]]

== SIG-Sauer P220R ==
A suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P220|SIG-Sauer P220R]] with a stainless finish is used by Guyman Purcell ([[Anthony Heald]]) to threaten Anna Real (Tania Raymonde) in Season 2's "Eye for an Eye".
[[Image:SigP220RSilver.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220R stainless .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS34 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guyman Purcell ([[Anthony Heald]]) holds a suppressed stainless-steel SIG P220R to threaten Anna Real (Tania Raymonde) in Season 2's "Eye for an Eye".]]

==AMT Backup==
In Season 7's "Jack Knife", Ziva is seen carrying an [[AMT Backup]] pistol in an ankle holster.
[[Image:AMT BackupRight.jpg|thumb|none|300px|AMT Backup II with stainless steel finish - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's "Jack Knife", Ziva is seen carrying an [[AMT Backup]] pistol in an ankle holster. Note that the holster appears to have been made for a revolver.]]

==Beretta 85F==
In Season 2's "Forced Entry" (S2E09), Laura Rowens (Megan Ward) uses a [[Beretta 85F]] to shoot a man she thought was going to attack her. In Season 2's "Conspiracy Theory", Catherine Reynolds (Brigid Brannagh) is seen holding the Beretta on her partner in crime.
[[Image:Beretta85FNickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:NCIS1 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Forced Entry" (S2E09), Laura Rowens (Megan Ward) uses a [[Beretta 85F]].]]
[[Image:NCIS34 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Conspiracy Theory", Catherine Reynolds (Brigid Brannagh) tries to shoot her partner in crime as she is arrested, but finds that the weapon is unloaded.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] (used in lieu of the Beretta M9) appears as the issued sidearm of various military personnel and in the hands of various characters throughout the series. In the Season 2 premiere "See No Evil," kidnapper Kyle Grayson ([[William Mapother]]) holds one on his hostage while in a standoff with NCIS agents. In Season 3's "Kill Ari, Part 1", terrorist Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) holds Dr. Mallard's assistant, Gerald, hostage with one. Gibbs also keeps one in his car during the events of "Kill Ari: Part 2," as it is seen while he and Jenny are staking out Ari's safe house. Port Security Chief Matthew Lake ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) pulls a Beretta in the later Season 3 episode, "Boxed In". Lt. Colonel Hollis Mann ([[Susanna Thompson]]) of the Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) is seen carrying a [[Beretta 92FS]] and notably uses it in Season 4's "Sharif Returns". In Season 6's "Deliverance," Ziva fires one on a Marine weapons range and claims to prefer the SIG. She also upsets the misogynistic range sergeant on duty, who doesn't expect women to know anything about handguns, by showing him his sight is off by a few millimeters. In Season 8's "Enemies Domestic", during his flashbacks to his first mission in Amsterdam, Director Vance is seen with one. It's also seen in "Defiance" where a US Marine uses it to confront a suicide bomber.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta M9 9x19mm]]

[[Image:NCIS3 21.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Missing", Major Joe Sacco ([[Derek Webster]]) holds his Beretta as he looks for Dinozzo in the sewer.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22024.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) holds a Beretta on Gerald in Season 3's "Kill Ari, Part 1".]]
[[Image:NCIS 22014.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Port Security Chief Matthew Lake ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) holds a Beretta in Season 3's "Boxed In".]]
[[Image:NCIS34 503.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 4 premiere, "Shalom," Gibbs uses a Beretta to check out a possible terrorist's safe house, after he has retired from NCIS and relinquished his SIG.]]
[[Image:NCISS4 70.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. Colonel Hollis Mann ([[Susanna Thompson]]) of the Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) pulls her [[Beretta 92FS]] in Season 4's "Sharif Returns".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 508.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Corporal Damon Werth ([[Paul Telfer]]) aims a stolen Beretta at Gibbs in a rehab facility in Season Five's "Corporal Punishment."]]
[[Image:NCIS US Marine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A US Marine confronts a suicide bomber in "Defiance".]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer is seen showing a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] to a customer, stating it's "Homie's best friend 9mm, it's Italian, 15 plus 1 in da tube". Another one with pearl grips (possibly the same one) is used by the first mate on the Damocles in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop". Another appears in Season 2's "Heart Break", being carried by Ensign Evan Hayes (Nathan Wetherington). It is also used by the occasional adversary, sometimes equipped with a suppressor, notably in the Season 5 episode 'Designated Target'.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS Inox 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS56 12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer shows a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] to a customer.]]

==Beretta Cougar==
In Season 3's "Light Sleeper," a defecting North Korean agent uses a Marine Sergeant's .40 caliber [[Beretta Cougar|Beretta 8040 Cougar F]] to execute two members of her sleeper cell. While examining it in her laboratory, Abby embarks on a brief segue on a critics' description of the .40 S&W round as a "Short and Wimpy," when measured against the 10mm Autoload.

[[Image:8000 Cougar F Inox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 8045 Cougar - 9mm (however, the weapon that appears in the Season 3 episode "Light Sleeper" is an Inox variant in .40 S&W caliber, of slightly different appearance.'']]
[[Image:NCIS12 404.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Light Sleeper," a Marine Sergeant's .40 caliber [[Beretta Cougar]] lays on the car seat. ]]
[[Image:NCIS12 403.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby carries the Beretta Cougar.]]

==Blackhand==
A prototype special operations pistol called the "Black Hand" was used in several murders by an ex-military analyst turned assassin in "The Penelope Papers". It's a prop pistol that is based on the SP-21 Barak.

[[File:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Black Hand as shown to Gibbs and the other NCIS agents.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
A [[Browning Hi-Power]] was seen and mentioned in Season 3's "Iced".
[[Image:HiPowerMk3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Commercial Browning Hi-Power Mark III 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS3 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva shows Abby how to properly stand while holding a Browning Hi-Power in Season 3's "Iced."]]

==Colt Government ==
In Season 4's "Sandblast", Gibbs finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government|Colt Government Model]] handgun in the store of the CIA informant Mamoun Sharif (Enzo Cilenti). Gibbs mentions that the handgun is ".38 Super, Colt", which means it's a Colt model chambered in .38 Super.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Government Model M1911A1 - .45 ACP - similar to the Colt Super .38]]
[[Image:NCIS1 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Sandblast", Gibbs finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government|Colt Government Model]] handgun in Sharif's (Enzo Cilenti) things.]]
[[Image:JackknifeBHP_&Q.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's "Jack Knife", former Marine Damon Werth ([[Paul Telfer]]) is seen carrying a Colt, which is put on a table when he's searched.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 34.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Werth uses his Colt to pop open a bottle.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 35.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Werth with the Colt.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
In Season 2's "Vanished" (S02E03) Marine helicopter pilot Captain Todd Newell (Rob Boltin) carries a [[M1911A1]] while hiding out in the Virginia forest and stalking his brother's murderer.
In Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07), Iwo Jima veteran Ernie Yost ([[Charles Durning]]) brings his [[M1911A1]] to NCIS headquarters to turn himself in for possibly murdering a fellow Marine during the war.
In Season 2's "Dark Water", private investigator Monroe Cooper ([[Mike Starr]]) is caught faking the murder of an accident victim, using a M1911A1 from the home of the primary "suspect."
In Season 4's "Escaped", (S4E02), retired Navy sailor Mickey Stokes ([[Hal Holbrook]]) has his old M1911A1 stolen from him and then later pointed at him by Petty Officer Derrick Paulson ([[Brandon Barash]]) in Season 4's "Escaped" (S4E02).
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[File:NCISS2 403.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Vanished" (S02E03) Marine helicopter pilot Captain Todd Newell (Rob Boltin) pulls an [[M1911A1]] while hiding out in the Virginia forest and stalking his brother's murderer.]]
[[Image:NCIS1 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of Yost's M1911A1 in Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07)]]
[[Image:NCIS34 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Petty Officer Derrick Paulson ([[Brandon Barash]]) holds the [[M1911A1]] on Mickey Stokes in Season 4's "Escaped" (S4E02).]]

==Colt MK IV Series 80==
An engraved nickel [[Colt MK IV Series 80]] is drawn by Davey Chen ([[Ming Lo]]) in Season 4's "Once A Hero".[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. Though the slide is marked "MK IV Series 80", it appears to have been a standard M1911A1 frame.]]
[[Image:NCIS S4 7.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Davey Chen ([[Ming Lo]]) with his Colt]]
[[Image:NCIS S4 5.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Davey Chen places the Colt on the ground]]

==CZ 83==
In a continuity error, a suppressed [[CZ 83]] pistol is briefly seen instead of Makarov when Namir Eschel (Eyall Podell) has a pillow put over his head in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".
[[Image:CZ83 Pistol.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|CZ 83 .380 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In a continuity error, a suppressed [[CZ 83]] pistol is briefly seen instead of Makarov when Namir Eschel (Eyall Podell) has a pillow put over his head in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".]]

==Flintlock Pistol==
Several [[Flintlock Pistol]]s as well as other pirate treasure are found in a storage locker in Season 7's "Jurisdiction".
[[Image:NCISS6 5107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
The [[Glock 17]] is another frequently-used handgun in the series. In Season 1's "Enigma", FBI Special Agent Tobias Fornell ([[Joe Spano]]) is seen drawing a Glock. In Season 2's "Terminal Leave," Navy Lt. Commander Michaela "Micki" Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]]) keeps a Glock in her home. In Season 4's "Faking It", Glocks are carried by DC-Metro Police. DC-Metro Detective Andrea Sparr ([[Gretchen Egolf]]) draws a Glock 17 in Season 5's "Stakeout". In Season 5's "Lost and Found" (S5E09), Det. Collins (J.R. Bourne) aims a Glock while searching a state park for a fugitive. [[Glock 17]]s with silver slides (like the full-auto-converted one below) are used by two gang members in Season 6's "Deliverance". Mossad Officer Michael Rivikin (Merik Tadros) pulls a [[Glock 17]] on Callen during the the Season 6's "Legend, Part 2." Ziva is seen using a Glock in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop". Ex-Army Ranger-turned-mercenary Jason Paul Dean ([[Dylan Bruno]]) pulls his Glock 17 on Gibbs after his arrival in Mexico in Season 7's "Patriot Down" (S7E23). Marine Sergeant Heather Dempsey ([[Abby Brammell]]) uses a Glock to shoot an intruder in Season 8's "Short Fuse". Mossad officers Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]), Amit Hadar ([[Arnold Vosloo]]) and Liat Tuvia (Sarai Givaty) carry Glock 17's as their sidearms when they accompany Eli David to Washington D.C. NCIS Director Vance ([[Rocky Carroll]]) uses a Glock 17 taken from Hadar in Season 8's "Enemies Domestic".

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Enigma", FBI Special Agent Tobias Fornell ([[Joe Spano]]) pulls a Glock.]]
[[Image:NCIS12 421.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Terminal Leave," Navy Lt. Commander Michaela "Micki" Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]]) pulls her Glock.]]
[[File:NCISS5 402.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jenny Shepard holds the Glock in Season 5's premiere "Bury Your Dead".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 503.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "Stakeout", DC-Metro Detective Andrea Sparr ([[Gretchen Egolf]]) is seen carrying a Glock 17 as her sidearm.]]
[[File:NCISS7 116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva uses a Glock in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop".]]
[[Image:NCIS pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs under the barrel of a Glock in Season 7's "Patriot Down".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 03.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Marine Sergeant Heather Dempsey ([[Abby Brammell]]) holds a Glock in Season 8's "Short Fuse".]]
[[Image:NCIS shoot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Liat guns down a Palestinian terrorist after he aims his sidearm at her.]]
[[Image:NCIS Vance Glock 17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 8's "Enemies Domestic", Director Vance takes Hadar's Glock 17 after being wounded in an explosion.]]

==Glock 17 (Full Auto Conversion)==
In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", a two-toned Glock 17 converted to full auto with a 33 round magazine is used by the lead terrorist Haziq Khaleel (Nick Tarabay) in an attempt at repelling the OSP raid team.
[[Image:Glock17stainless ext.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Glock 17]] - stainless slide with extended magazine]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-CONVERTED-GLOCK-17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", a two-tone [[Glock 17]] falls out of the hand of a wounded terrorist.]]

==Glock 17L==
In Season 2's "Witness" (S2E14), a [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] was found in the convertible sofa bed used by Petty officer Keith Dylan/Robert J. Thorn. It was misidentified as a SIG-Sauer and can be clearly seen in multiple other scenes as a Glock, most clearly when being test-fired into a bullet capture chamber by Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]).
[[Image:G17l.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17L - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Witness" (S2E14), the weapon is photographed in its case. For some reason, the handgun is identified as a SIG-Sauer in the episode.]]
[[Image:NCIS2 15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby fires the Glock in her lab]]

==Glock 19==
The [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] is used by numerous characters in the series. NCIS Special Agent Michelle Lee ([[Liza Lapira]]) while undercover is seen holding a Glock in Season 4's "Once A Hero". Mike Franks uses one in the rescue of his daughter in law in Season 4's "Iceman". A kidnapper holds a Glock 19 in Season 5's "Requiem".
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS S4 8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Special Agent Michelle Lee ([[Liza Lapira]]) while undercover is seen holding a Glock in Season 4's "Once A Hero".]]
[[File:NCISS5 405.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A kidnapper holds a Glock 19 in Season 5's "Requiem".]]

==Glock 21==
In Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" (S6E20), CIA Agent Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) uses a [[Glock#Glock 21|Glock 21]] during a shootout at the beginning of the episode. After they are dead he picks up the dead guy's Smith and Wesson Tactical 9x19mm and wipes his Glock 21 for prints and puts it the hands of the dead terrorist.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 21 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:DeadreckoningGlock.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) wipes his Glock 21 clean of prints before planting it on a dead terrorist.]]

==Glock 26==
A terrorist attempts to dual-wield two [[Glock 26]] pistols in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign" after using a Spike missle launcher.
NCIS Special Agent E.J. Barrett ([[Sarah Jane Morris]]) can be seen carrying a subcompact [[Glock 26]] as her sidearm in Season 8's "Swan Song".
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS akimbo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Palestinian terrorist wielding dual Glock 26's in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 32.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Special Agent E.J. Barrett ([[Sarah Jane Morris]]) draws her subcompact [[Glock 26]] in Season 8's "Swan Song".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 31.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Barrett holds the Glock 26.]]

==Heckler & Koch P2000 SK==
In Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1", Mike Franks gives Jenny Shepard ([[Lauren Holly]]) a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_P2000#H.26K_P2000SK|Heckler & Koch P2000 SK]] to use. Franks says the gun is a clean, with no registration number and is the one Jenny uses when engaging the shooters in the diner.
[[Image:H&KP2000SK left.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P2000 SK - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-5x18-HKP2000SK-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shepard holding Franks' P2000 SK in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1".]]

==Heckler & Koch USP (two-tone)==
Daniel Cryer ([[Erik Palladino]]) pulls a two-tone [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] on Ziva in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04).

[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] .45 ACP with two-tone finish. ]]
[[Image:NCIS7 211.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Daniel Cryer ([[Erik Palladino]]) pulls a two-tone [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] on Ziva in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04). ]]

==Jericho 941 "Baby Eagle"==
In Season 5's "About Face" (S5E17), Tesla Suskavcevic (James Logan) pulls a [[Jericho 941]] on Jimmy Palmer from his car. Oddly, the gun that appears in his hand during Jimmy's flashback to their first encounter is a full-sized [[Desert Eagle]].

In Season 4's "Faking It", Russian arms dealer Arkady Kobach ([[V.J. Foster]]) lets his [[Jericho 941]] fall when he sees that Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) has the drop on him.

In Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop," the captain of the merchant ship ''Damocles'' uses one, almost shooting his first mate and holding it on Ziva before being shot from behind.
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Stainless IMI Jericho 941 9x19mm. The gun pictured here is the screen used pistol in the movie ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'']]
[[Image:NCIS6 117.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "About Face" (S5E17), Tesla (James Logan) pulls a [[Jericho 941]] on Jimmy from his car, his gun revealed to be a "Baby Eagle" instead of a full-sized [[Desert Eagle]].]]
[[Image:NCIS34 507.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Faking It", Russian arms dealer Arkady Kobach ([[V.J. Foster]]) lets his [[Jericho 941]] fall.]]
[[Image:GoodcopbadcopJericho_941.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|The captain of the ''Damocles'' takes cover with his Jericho 941 before being found by Mossad]]

==Kahr P9==
In Season 3's "Untouchable", a [[Kahr P9]] is found next to a dead female Naval officer.
[[Image:KahrP9.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Kahr P9 9x19mm with stainless steel finish]]
[[Image:NCIS2 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Untouchable", a Kahr P9 is photographed for evidence. Note the extended magazine.]]

==Magnum Research Desert Eagle==
In Season 5's "About Face" (S5E17), criminal Tesla Suskavcevic (James Logan) opens fire on Jimmy Palmer (Brian Dietzen) with a [[Desert Eagle]] sporting a stainless steel finish. Oddly, when Tesla is confronted at the end of the episode, his gun is a [[Jericho 941]], or "Baby Eagle." Aside from the possibility that he owns two pistols, it is also possible that the Desert Eagle that appears in Jimmy's memory is a trick of his imagination, making the gun he saw appear much bigger than it really was. This is consistent with the theme of the episode, emphasizing how shaken Jimmy is after being shot at. In Season 6's "Judgment Day", a gang member uses one but is gunned down by Mike Franks.
[[Image:DesertEagle50AE.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Desert Eagle .50 AE with stainless steel finish]]
[[Image:NCIS6 116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jimmy visualizes Tesla's (James Logan) Desert Eagle in Season 5's "About Face".]]

==Magnum Research Micro Eagle==
A Magnum Research Micro Eagle is used by Paloma Reynosa ([[Jacqueline Obradors]]) in Season 8's premiere "The Spider and the Fly".
[[File:MicroDE.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Magnum Research Micro Eagle is used by Paloma Reynosa ([[Jacqueline Obradors]]) in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

==Makarov PM==
In his first appearance, Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) uses a [[Makarov PM]] equipped with a suppressor to hold Kate ([[Sasha Alexander]]), Gerald, and Ducky ([[David McCallum]]) hostage in Season 1's "Bête Noire" (S01E16). A suppressed Makarov is used by Faatin Amal (Saba Homayoon) in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".

[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Russian '''Makarov PM''' 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:NCIS2 12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) holds his Makarov on Kate in Season 1's "Bête Noire" (S01E16).]]
[[Image:NCISS4 602.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Amal (Saba Homayoon) uses a suppressed Makarov in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".]]
[[Image:NCISS4 605.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A suppressed Makarov pistol is seen in closeup. In a continuity error, a CZ83 is later briefly seen instead of a Makarov.]]

==Para Ordnance Companion C7.45==
In Season 2's "Chained", Tony uses a [[M1911 pistol series#Para-Ordnance P-12|Para Ordnance C7.45]] (as evidenced by the factory Para grips and the LDA hammer and trigger).
[[Image:Para Ordinance P-12 45.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Para-Ordnance P12, similar to C7.45]]
[[Image:NCIS1 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Chained", Tony uses a [[M1911 pistol series|Para Ordnance C7.45]]. Note the factory Para grips and the LDA hammer and trigger.]]

==Ruger Mk I==
In Season 6's "South by Southwest", a [[Ruger Mk I]] is used to assassinate an NCIS agent.
[[Image:RugerMk1Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger Mk I pistol - .22 LR]]
[[Image:NCISS5 701.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "South by Southwest", a [[Ruger Mk I]] is used to assassinate an NCIS agent.]]

==Smith & Wesson SW1911PD==
Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) carries a [[M1911 pistol series#Smith & Wesson SW1911|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD]] with the full 5" barrel as his sidearm. It can be seen in the Season 5 episodes "Judgment Day, Part 1" and "Judgment Day, Part 2". What differentiates the PD model are the front serrations on the slide that's similar to those in such handguns as the Kimber. The pistol also has a desert tan Crimson Trace grip-mounted laser sight. The SW1911PD is also used in the Season 6 episode "Deliverance", the season 7 finale "Rule Fifty-One" and the Season 8 premiere "The Spider and the Fly". Franks also pulls it in Season 8's "Swan Song" before it was taken by the Port-to-Port Killer Jonas Cobb (Kerr Smith). Cobb is seen brandishing it in Season 8's finale "Pyramid".
[[File:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD - .45 ACP. The one used by Franks has no tactical rail.]]
[[Image:NCIS6 110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) uses a [[M1911 pistol series#Smith & Wesson SW1911|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD]] in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1" (S5E18).]]
[[Image:NCISS4 5606.jpg|thumb|none|500px|He also uses SW1911 in Season 6's "Deliverance". Note the front serrations, indicating the PD model.]]
[[File:NCISS8 301.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cobb (Kerr Smith) is seen brandishing the SW1911PD in Season 8's finale "Pyramid". Note the Crimson-Trace grips and the "SW1911PD" engraved on the slide.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
A terrorist, disguised as a trooper, uses a S&W 5906 to gun down the naval officers in Season 2's "Twilight". In Season 3's "Jeopardy", James Dempsey ([[Connor Trinneer]]) holds NCIS Director Sheperd ([[Lauren Holly]]) hostage with a [[Smith & Wesson 5900 pistol series#Smith & Wesson 5906|Smith & Wesson 5906]]. In Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" (S6E20), CIA Agent Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) takes a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] from a terrorist that he shot after planting his Glock on the dead guy. A police officer pulls a S&W in Season 8's "Kill Screen".

[[Image:S&W5906EarlyModel.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Early Model Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm. The early model 5906 pistols had the finger step trigger guard, but they changed it to the rounded trigger guard for 'ease of production'.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22004.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James Dempsey ([[Connor Trinneer]]) holds NCIS Director Sheperd ([[Lauren Holly]]) hostage with the Smith & Wesson 5906.]]
[[Image:NCIS police officer.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A police officer pulls his S&W after he finds teeth and finger parts inside a purse in Season 8's "Kill Screen".]]
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Vincent's Smith & Wesson 5906 from ''[[Collateral]]'' - 9x19mm. This is a screen used gun. Note the late model 5906 pistols have the rounded trigger guard. ]]
[[Image:NCIS3 22.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A terrorist, disguised as a trooper, uses a suppressed 5906 to gun down the naval officers in Season 2's "Twilight".]]
[[Image:NCIS3 23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The naval officers are taken out with the S&W.]]
[[Image:NCIS7 203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] is seen in the hands of a terrorist taken out by Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" (S6E20).]]
[[Image:Deadreckoningpicksup.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|Kort takes the 5906 from a slain terrorist. Note the S&W's hammer.]]
[[Image:NCIS7 701.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CIA Agent Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) pulls his [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] in "Dead Reckoning".]]

==Taurus PT92C==
The North Korean sleeper agent Yoon Dawson ([[Esther Chae]]) holds a suppressed [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92C]] in Season 3's "Light Sleeper".
[[Image:Taurus-PT92CS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT92CS - Stainless version of the Compact PT92C - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 22007.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Yoon Dawson ([[Esther Chae]]) holds a suppressed [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92C]] in Season 3's "Light Sleeper".]]

==Taurus PT945==
A [[Taurus PT945]] is seen in the hands of an intruder that is shot by Marine Sergeant Heather Dempsey ([[Abby Brammell]]) in Season 8's "Short Fuse". The weapon seems to be the same used on the set of ''[[U.S. Marshals#Taurus PT945|U.S. Marshals]]'' because the serial number is filed off. Also the [[Taurus PT945]] first series is not easily available with the silver hammer, in fact was produced almost exclusively with black hammer.
[[Image:945SS.jpg|350px|thumb|none|Taurus PT945 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NCISS8 05.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A [[Taurus PT945]] is seen being swabbed by Abby in Season 8's "Short Fuse". ]]
[[Image:NCISS8 06.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Closeup of the Taurus. Note that the serial number has been filed off right below the slide, exactly like the prop weapon seen in the film ''[[U.S. Marshals#Taurus PT945|U.S. Marshals]]''.]]

==Tokarev TT-33==
A [[Tokarev TT-33]] pistol is seen in photos in "A Man Walks into a Bar" as a murder weapon.

[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Tula Arsenal (Soviet Union) Note CCCP printing around the star on the plastic grips]]

[[Image:NCIS Tokarev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby shows Gibbs photos of a Russian-made Tokarev pistol.]]

==Tower Lancers Pistol==
In Season 7's "Reunion", a 19th Century Tower Lancers Pistol is used by a suspect to shoot a man that the NCIS team was looking for.
[[Image:NCISS7 104.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby shows a photo of the Tower Lancers Pistol.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 106.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Tower Lancers Pistol is seen in the case in Season 7's "Reunion".]]

==Walther PPK/S==
Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]), Gibbs former CO, owns and uses an Interarms imported [[Walther PPK/S]] in Season 1's "Enigma" (S01E15).
[[Image:WaltherPPKS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther PPK/S stainless - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:NCIS2 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) uses an Interarms imported [[Walther PPK/S]] in Season 1's "Enigma".]]
[[Image:NCIS2 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the Walther in "Enigma".]]
[[File:NCIS34 510.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A suspect holds the suppressed Walther in Season 4's "Singled Out".]]

==Walther P99==
A kidnapper is seen about to use a suppressed [[Walther P99]] on a kidnapped Marine right before Gibbs and the team breach the room in Season 3's "Honor Code". In Season 8's "Baltimore", a Walther P99 is specifically identified as the weapon of a suspect.

[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 9mm. Note the ramped trigger guard, small slide serrations, closed and proprietary accessory rail, short magazine release and slightly more curved 'tail' of the pre-2004 models.]]
[[Image:NCISS3 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the Walther in "Honor Code".]]
[[File:NCIS Walther P99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An armed suspect aiming the P99 at Tony during his time as a Baltimore PD detective in 2001.]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

=Revolvers=
==Colt Detective Special==
A [[Colt Detective Special]] 3rd Gen is held by Dennis in Season 5's "Stakeout".
[[Image:ColtDS.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:NCISS5 505.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Colt Detective Special]] 3rd Gen is held by Dennis in Season 5's "Stakeout".]]

==Colt Python==
In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer is seen showing a [[Colt Python]] to a customer. A snubnosed version was held on Ziva while undercover in Season 6's "Recoil", and was used by her to shoot a serial killer.
[[Image:ColtPython6In.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS56 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer is showing a [[Colt Python]] to a customer.]]

==Colt 1860 Army==
In Season 3's "Silver War", a coffin is unearthed containing several weapons from the Civil War, including a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver.
[[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Judd Kearns (Byrne Offutt) unwraps the Colt 1860 from its wrappings in the coffin.]]

== LeMat 1861 ==
In Season 3's "Silver War", a coffin is unearthed containing several weapons from the Civil War, including a [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] revolver.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LeMat 1861 current reproduction - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Thieves unwrap the LeMat 1861 revolver.]]

==Ruger GP100==
In Season 2's "Pop Life" (S2E16), club owner Ian Alfred "Bulldog" Hitch ([[Steven Brand]]) is seen using a [[Ruger GP100]] to threaten one of his dancers, Samantha "Jade" King (Mya Harrison). In Season 4's "Cover Story", a blued Ruger is used to threaten Abby.
[[Image:GP101.jpg|thumb|none|325px|Ruger GP100, Stainless Version - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the revolver.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ian Alfred "Bulldog" Hitch ([[Steven Brand]]) pulls the Ruger on Jade in Season 2's "Pop Life".]]

[[Image:NCISS7 5509.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Cover Story", a blued Ruger is used to threaten Abby.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==
In Season 6's "Capitol Offense", McGee falls into a small pond where he finds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] that may have been used in a Navy lieutenant's murder. DiNozzo calls it a "Smith & Wesson. 38 Kit".
[[Image:S&W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB Revolver .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5126.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Capitol Offense", McGee falls into a small pond where he finds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]].]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5127.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the Model 10 revolver.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
In the Season 3 episode "Deception," a security guard holds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] on Ziva and Tony, but Ziva kicks the weapon out of his hands. What appears to be a S&W 19 is used by a murder victim's brother in Season 8's "False Witness" to intimidate her murderer.
[[Image:S%26WModel19-4Inch.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:NCIS revolver.jpg|thumb|none|501px|What appears to be a S&W 19 is used by a murder victim's brother in Season 8's "False Witness".]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 37==
Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]) carries a Model 37 with a black finish in an ankle holster as his backup weapon. In the Season 3 episode "Mind Games", he uses it to threaten sadistic serial killer Kyle Boone (Christopher Shyer). In the later Season 3 episode "Probie," he gives it to McGee, whose weapon has been temporarily confiscated, to back Gibbs up as they go to question a suspect. In the Season 9 episode "Restless", it was seen beside ex-con Curtis when Gibbs and the NCIS team (except Ziva) were approaching him on the roof of a taco restaurant building.

A nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight]] revolver is used to kill a bully on a Navy base in the Season 6 episode "Hide & Seek". Checking out its violent history causes Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) to label it an "evil gun" and describe it as possessed (as it was used in convenience store hold-ups and other crimes each time it changed hands).

[[Image:M37AirLeft.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith and Wesson Model 37 Airweight - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS 22025.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs holds his backup S&W to the head of Boone in Season 3's "Mind Games".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 711.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight]] revolver is found in a box in Season 6's "Hide & Seek".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 712.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby tries to lift the curse off the S&W in Season 6's "Hide & Seek".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 713.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby test-fires the S&W.]]
[[File:NCIS revolver a.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The Model 37 found beside a semi-drugged Curtis in Season 9's "Restless".]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight|Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight]] revolver is found on the floorboard of a car by DC police in Season 4's "Faking It" (S4E04). A 637 is also used by Ziva in Season 5's "Recoil".
[[Image:S&WModel637.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight (Stainless Steel Version of the Model 37) Current production - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS34 506.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight|Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight]] revolver is found on the floorboard of a car by DC police in Season 4's "Faking It" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:NCISS5 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the S&W in "Recoil".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva uses the 637 in Season 5's "Recoil".]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 60 ==
In Season 2's "Terminal Leave", DiNozzo is seen carrying a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] as his backup weapon when jogging with a Navy commander.
[[Image:Classic60.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 60]]
[[Image:NCIS12 416.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Terminal Leave", DiNozzo is seen carrying a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] as his backup weapon when jogging with a Navy commander.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] is said to have been used by Amanda Reed (Jamie Luner) in Season 1's "Dead Man Talking" (S1E19). Gibbs referred to it as being "small, and easy to conceal." However, this is an error since the image of the gun that flashes on the lab screen (a stock product photo from the S&W catalog) is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]], not the Model 66. The Model 60 is much more concealable than the larger framed Model 66. The 66 is also pulled by distraught housewife Greta Boyen (Rebecca Staab) in Season 2's "Terminal Leave". The 66 also is used by "kidnappers" in Season 8's "Defiance" (S8E15).

[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 66]]
[[Image:NCIS3 20.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Amanda Reed (Jamie Luner) holds the S&W in Season 1's "Dead Man Talking".]]
[[Image:NCIS12 418.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Greta Boyen (Rebecca Staab) points a snub [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] at Micki Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]])]]
[[Image:NCIS12 419.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Micki's husband David (Sean O'Bryan) tries to talk Greta down.]]
[[Image:NCIS12 408.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ATF Special Agent Melinda Stone ([[Bellamy Young]]) holds the S&W in Season 1's "Split Decision".]]
[[Image:NCIS hostage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A S&W 66 used by a "kidnapper" in Season 8's "Defiance" (S8E15). ]]
[[Image:NCIS table.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The same S&W 66 used by the kidnapper placed aside on a table.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 340PD ==
Ziva carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 340PD]] as her backup gun, which she carries in an ankle holster and she once dual wielded along with her SIG in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning". She is also seen briefly handling it before going undercover in Season 8's "Dead Air".
[[Image:Smith & Wesson Model 340PD.jpg|350px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 340PD - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS7 205.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Dead Reckoning", Ziva pulls her backup S&W 340PD from her ankle holster.]]
[[Image:NCISS5 716.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva with the 340 drawn in her left and her SIG in her right.]]
[[Image:NCIS7 208.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva fires the S&W 340.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 627 ==
Natasha Lenkov (Kathleen Gati) holds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 627]] on Gibbs and Franks in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part II".
[[Image:S&W627.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Performance Center 627 .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS6 115.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Natasha Lenkov (Kathleen Gati) holds the [[Smith & Wesson Model 627]] on Gibbs and Franks in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part II".]]

==Webley Mk IV==
A [[Webley Mk IV]] revolver was used by CIA station chief Loretta Tennison in Season 8's "Royals & Loyals".
[[Image:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley Mk.IV WW2 British Army version chambered for .38 S&W]]

[[Image:NCIS Webley.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Webley Mk. IV in the hands of CIA station chief Loretta Tennison.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Beretta M12==
Alejandro Rivera uses a [[Beretta M12]] to shoot up the safe house in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".
[[Image:Beretta_M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M12 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS M12.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Alejandro Rivera chambers a [[Beretta M12]] while preparing to shoot up the safe house in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

==Brügger & Thomet MP-9==
A [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]] is used by Russians in a drive-by ambush on OSP Agent Callen ([[Chris O'Donnell]]) in Season 6's "Legend, Part 2".
[[File:B&T-MP9.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Brügger & Thomet MP-9 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-SMG-HD-2.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Drive-by shooter opens fire with a [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]] in Season 6's "Legend, Part 2".]]

==FN P90==
Mossad Officer Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]) uses an [[FN P90]] during the firefight on the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop". Two P90s are also visible in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:NCIS7 2007.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossad Officer Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]) uses a [[FN P90]] during the firefight on the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
The three men that accompany Jason Dean to the airport in the Season 7 finale "Rule Fifty-One" use [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5Ks]] during the ensuing shootout.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5K 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCISS7 310.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A guard that accompanies Jason Dean to the airport in the Season 7 finale "Rule Fifty-One" uses his [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] during the ensuing shootout.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
In the series premiere "Yankee White" (S1E01), an Al Qaeda sleeper takes a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] from the armory of Air Force One. Two [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]s can be seen in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:MP5K-PDWEarly.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|MP5K 9x19mm with the PDW-style folding stock attached, commonly used in films to emulate the PDW. The real MP5K-PDW, illustrated below, is distinctive in having the longer barrel and the newer trigger group.]]
[[Image:NCIS1 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the series premiere "Yankee White" (S1E01), Gibbs finds MP5K-PDW's in the Air Force One armory. This episode was filmed on the same set used for ''[[Air Force One]]'', a film which Gibbs even mentions in the episode.]]
[[Image:NCIS1 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The sleeper is taken down while holding the MP5K-PDW.]]
[[Image:Sanctuary_5.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's "Power Down", two [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]s and two [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]]s inside the "sanctuary" are seen in a polaroid picture.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
SRT members are seen carrying [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]'s during the hostage situation at the school in Season 3's "Bait". Russian special forces posing as pirates in Season 5's "Chimera" also carry [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]s with dedicated forends and Navy trigger groups.
[[Image:SWATMP5.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 9x19mm with forend weapon light and Navy trigger group]]
[[Image:NCIS3 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A SRT operator accompanies Gibbs during a hostage situation.]]
[[Image:Russian_1.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A Russian "pirate" has the [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] slung as he prepares to board the ship in Season 5's "Chimera".]]
[[Image:Russian_2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A Russian "pirate" with his [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]. Note the Navy trigger group.]]
[[Image:Russian_3.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The Russian "pirate" leader ([[Graham McTavish]]) holds his [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]. Note the dedicated forend.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
In Season 1's "Enigma", Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] from one of his captors. In Season 1's "Split Decision", Gibbs goes undercover as an arms dealer, and uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]]. Several are also seen in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Enigma", Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] from one of his captors.]]
[[Image:NCIS 001.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Split Decision", Gibbs displays a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] while undercover.]]
[[Image:Sanctuary 7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s, a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]], and an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] in the "sanctuary" seen in Season 7's "Power Down".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP7==
In the Season 7 episode "Power Down", two [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s can be seen hanging on a wall of the "sanctuary".
[[Image:Hk mp7 b-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 with Zeiss Z-Point sight - 4.6x30mm.]]
[[Image:Sanctuary 7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s, a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]], and an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] in the "sanctuary"]]

==IMI Uzi==
Ziva uses a full size [[Uzi]] during the firefight aboard the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04).
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS7 2004.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva uses a full size [[Uzi]] during the firefight aboard the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04).]]

==IMI Micro Uzi==
In a flashback, Ziva uses a [[Micro Uzi]] to a Mossad Kidon assassination in Paris in Season 4's "Shalom" (SE01).
[[File:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|350px]]
[[File:NCISS4 600.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In a flashback, Ziva uses a [[Micro Uzi]] to a Mossad Kidon assassination in Paris in Season 4's "Shalom" (SE01).]]

==Intratec TEC-9==
In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer shows an [[Interdynamic KG-9 / Intratec TEC-9|Intratec TEC-9]] to a potential client, saying "TEC-9, full auto, empty a clip in 4 seconds" and encourages him to fire it, the burst hitting the roof of the abandoned warehouse and causing the body of an already-slain Marine to fall through the skylight. It was also seen in Season 3's "Iced".
[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS56 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer shows an [[Interdynamic KG-9 / Intratec TEC-9|Intratec TEC-9]] to a potential client.]]

==Skorpion SA Vz.61==
A terrorist in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" uses a [[Skorpion SA Vz 61]] to shoot at Trent Kort before being killed by him. Kort then uses the Skorpion to shoot another terrorist. While usually chambered in .32 ACP, there is evidence that Vz61 clone pistols were chambered in .380 in the 1980's.
[[Image:Skorpion-SA-VZ-61.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Skorpion SA Vz.61 .32 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS7 204.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Trent Kort uses a [[Skorpion SA Vz 61]] in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning".]]

=Rifles=
==AKM==
The [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]] is a frequent weapon used by terrorists and suspects in the series.

[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS1 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A terrorist opens up on the NCIS team with an AKM in Season 1's "Seadog".]]
[[File:NCIS AK gunfire.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A Jaysh El-Mo'mineen guerrilla fires an AKM on US Marines in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]

==AKMS==
In the Season 2 finale "Twilight", several terrorists can be seen firing [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] rifles at Gibbs and the team to no avail. The weapon is also used by various other characters in the series.
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKMS 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 011.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A terrorist opens up with an AKMS in Season 2's "Twilight".]]

==Arisaka Type 99 Rifle==
Imperial Japanese soldiers are seen with the [[Arisaka Rifle|Type 99 Arisaka Rifle]] as Ernie Yost ([[Charles Durning]]) remembers his time on Iwo Jima in Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07).
[[Image:Arisaka-Type-99.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Arisaka Type 99 battle rifle - 7.7x58mm]]
[[Image:NCIS1 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Imperial Japanese soldiers are seen with the [[Arisaka Rifle|Type 99 Arisaka Rifle]] as Ernie Yost ([[Charles Durning]]) remembers his time on Iwo Jima in Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07).]]

==Enfield Pattern 1853==
The [[British 1853 Enfield|Enfield Pattern 1853]] rifle is carried by Union re-enactors in Season 3's "Silver War".
[[Image:1853enfield.jpg|thumb|none|400px|British 1853 Enfield.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|What appears to be the Enfield rifle is seen in the far background.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
Two [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]]s can be seen in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down". A G36C with a mounted suppressor on the barrel is seen in Season 9's "Enemy on the Hill" (S9E04) when Gibbs and Tony uncover the assassin's hidden arms stash in his garage.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Sanctuary_5.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Two [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]s and two [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]]s inside the "sanctuary".]]
[[File:NCIS G36C.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The G36C hidden in the arms stash in Season 9's "Enemy on the Hill" (S9E04). It has the mounted Single Fire-based selector.]]

==Henry 1860==
In Season 3's "Silver War", a [[Henry 1860]] is seen used by a Civil War reenactor.
[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Henry 1860 brass-frame - .44 Rimfire (RF).]]
[[Image:NCIS34 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Silver War", a [[Henry 1860]] lever action rifle is seen used by a Civil War reenactor.]]

==Henry Rifle==
What appears to be a Winchester rifle converted to resemble a [[Henry 1860]] rifle is carried by Sheriff Boyd ([[Lance Henriksen]]) and then used by Gibbs to shoot down a helicopter in Season 6's "South by Southwest" (S6E17). The rifle, which is referred to as a "Henry" by Boyd, is seen fitted with a Vernier sight and has a longer octagonal barrel of a Henry, but is side loading like a Winchester.
[[File:NCISS6 231.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs with the rifle in Season 6's "South by Southwest" (S6E17).]]
[[File:NCISS6 230.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs takes aim with the rifle.]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x17-RIFLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs lining up his shot with the Vernier sight.]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x17-RIFLE-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closer shot.]]

== Colt M4A1 Carbine ==
The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] can be seen used by various US Military personnel and gunmen throughout the series. In Season 5's "In The Zone" (S5E15), US Marines as well as Tony are seen carrying M4A1 during an investigation in Iraq. Two are visible on a rack in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down". In Season 9's "Engaged, Part II" (S9E09), US Marines as well as Gibbs and Ziva are armed with M4A1's during a raid in Afghanistan.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope]]
[[Image:NCIS56 06.jpg|thumb|none|501px|In Season 5's "In The Zone", Tony carries an M4A1 during his investigation in Iraq.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-M4-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Legend, Part 1", an M4A1 Carbine is seen during a deal - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:NCISS9 16a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marine Captain Craig Quincy (Lamonica Garrett) opens fire with the M4A1 in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]
[[Image:NCISS9 24.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs and US Marines armed with the M4A1 in Afghanistan in an anti-guerrilla raid in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]
[[Image:NCISS9 27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva shouldering the M4A1 in Afghanistan in an anti-guerrilla raid in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]

==Colt Model 933==
In Season 6's "Cloak", US Navy guards are armed with the [[Colt Model 933]] rifle fitted with a weaponlight. US Coast Guard officers carry [[M16 rifle series#Colt Model 933|Colt Model 933]] rifles in Season 9's "Safe Harbor" while checking out a deserted ship.
[[Image:Colt m4 commando 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 933 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:NCISS6 5118.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Cloak", a US Navy guard is armed with the [[Colt Model 933]] rifle fitted with a weaponlight.]]
[[File:NCISS6 5119.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Cloak", a US Navy guard is armed with the [[Colt Model 933]] rifle while escorting Jimmy Palmer and Special Agent Michelle Lee (Liza Lapira).]]
[[File:NCIS US Coast Guard rifle.jpg|thumb|none|501px|A US Coast Guard officer shouldering the Model 933 in Season 9's "Safe Harbor".]]

==M1 Garand ==
The [[M1 Garand]] rifle is seen held by members of a honor guard detail in several episodes. The ceremonial soldiers who guard the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier are seen holding Garands in Season 9's "Engaged, Part I" (S9E08).
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]
[[File:NCISS5 5101.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:NCISS5 5102.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:NCISS9 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The ceremonial soldiers who guard the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier are seen holding Garands in Season 9's "Engaged, Part I" (S9E08).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
The [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifle]] is notably carried by US Marines in several episodes as well as other characters throughout the series.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A2 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCISS1 104.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Marine at the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center takes aim with the scoped M16A2 in Season 1's "Minimum Security" (S1E08).]]
[[Image:NCIS56 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "In The Zone", the Marine behind Special Agent Nikki Jardine is seen carrying the M16A2.]]
[[File:NCISS5 705.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bart Lemming ([[Tim Guinee]]) takes aim with a scoped M16A2 from a helicopter in Season 6's "South by Southwest" (S06E17).]]
[[File:NCISS5 706.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lemming aims the M16 in Season 6's "South by Southwest" (S06E17).]]

==Remington 7400==
A [[Remington 7400]] is used by a suspect in Season 8's "Dead Air" to murder a Navy commander and two radio station employees.
[[File:7400wd-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 7400]]
[[Image:NCIS 7400.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Abby shows Gibbs a picture of the 7400 in Season 8's "Dead Air".]]
[[Image:NCIS 7400 SUV.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Taking the 7400 from the trunk of a Ford Explorer.]]
[[Image:NCIS 7400 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The 7400 with a riflescope and a sling.]]

==Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistol==
Smugglers are seen firing [[M16|Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistols]] at Tony and Ziva in Season 3's "Boxed In".
[[File:RoAr Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistol without magazine.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Patriot Pistol with a CTAC red-dot sight.]]

==Ruger Mini-14==
In the Season 3 episode "Ravenous", a scoped [[Ruger Mini-14]] is carried by Park Ranger James Landis ([[Todd Allen]]). Gibbs also used the Mini-14 to shoot Park Ranger James Landis in the butt.
[[Image:Ruger-Mini-14.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Blued Ruger Mini-14 Standard Model Semiautomatic Rifle (Pre-2005) with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS3 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Park Ranger James Landis ([[Todd Allen]]) with his Ruger Mini-14 in Season 4's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCIS3 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs with the scoped Mini-14. This shot is seen in the opening credits of the show.]]

==SIG SG 551==
Reynosa Cartel soldiers use [[SIG SG 551]] assault rifles to shoot up the country store owned by Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]) in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly". Dual SIG SG 551 rifles are used to act as a machine gun post before Liat and Gibbs shoot out its control mechanism.

[[Image:Sig-551.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG SG 551 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCISS8 09.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Reynosa Cartel soldiers use [[SIG SG 551]] assault rifles to shoot up the country store owned by Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]) in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]
[[Image:NCIS rigged machine guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Liat and Gibbs shoot the control mechanism of the SG 551 machine gun post.]]

==SIG SG 552==
The [[SIG SG 552]] is used by Sam, Kensi and other NCIS agents in Season 6's "Legend Pt. 2" (6x23) when they raid a garage that is the headquarters of a suspected terrorist cell. Drug cartel gunmen are armed with this as well.
[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG SG 552 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:KENZI-BLYE-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]), Renko and another NCIS agent exiting raid vehicle armed with the SIG SG 552.]]
[[Image:SAM-HANNA-SIG-552-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) slings his SIG SG after switching to his secondary, a [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Renko (Brian Avers) walking through the raid target with his SIG SG 552.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 304.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drug cartel gunmen with SG 552s when they were cornered by Mexican Federal Police officers.]]

==Springfield 1873 "Trapdoor" Carbine==
In Season 3's "Silver War", Union re-enactors are seen with the [[Springfield 1873 "Trapdoor" Carbine]].
[[Image:UmbertiTrapdoorCarbine.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Replica Springfield Model 1873 '''Cavalry Carbine''' "Trapdoor Springfield" built by Uberti Arms - .45-70]]
[[Image:NCIS34 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Union soldier re-enactors fire the Trapdoor carbine.]]

==Winchester 1873==
A [[Winchester Model 1873]] rifle is owned by Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]), who keeps it loaded on the wall. In Season 7's "Faith", Jackson mentions that he had to use his Winchester to kill someone trying to rob his store. He also holds it on Paloma Reynosa when she confronts him in his store in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester 1873 .44-40]]
[[Image:NCISS8 07.jpg|thumb|none|502px|Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]) holds the Winchester on Paloma in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

==Winchester Model 1892==
Artist Dina Risi ([[Mira Furlan]]) aims what appears to be a [[Winchester Model 1892]] rifle at Gibbs and DiNozzo when they come looking for her in Season 6's "South by Southwest".
[[Image:Winchester1892.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester 1892 .44-40]]
[[Image:Sxsw lever action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Artist Dina Risi ([[Mira Furlan]]) aims what appears to be a [[Winchester Model 1892]] rifle at Gibbs and DiNozzo when they come looking for her in Season 6's "South by Southwest".]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==Accuracy International L96A1==
The [[Accuracy International L96A1]] is one of the sniper rifles Abby test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I". Also found in "Enemy on the Hill" in an assassin's hidden arms stash.
[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS 22023.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rifles in the NCIS crime lab.]]
[[File:NCIS sniper rifles.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AW Magnum as found by Gibbs and Tony.]]

==Blaser 93 Sniper Rifle==
In Season 1's "One Shot, One Kill", wannabe sniper Kyle Hendricks (Noah Segan) can be seen armed with a [[Blaser 93 sniper rifle]], equipped with a bipod and custom muzzle brake. It is also one of the sniper rifles Abby test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Blaser 93 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS2 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "One Shot, One Kill", Hendricks (Noah Segan) carries his customized [[Blaser 93 sniper rifle]] away from his latest sniper's rest.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22018.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby test-fires the Blaser in "Kill Ari, Part I".]]

==Bravo 51==
The [[Remington_Model_700|Bravo 51]] is featured prominently in the first 2 episodes of Season 3. Gibbs says the rifle is referred as a 'Kate', it was first used by Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) in the Season 2 finale "Twilight". In Season 3's premiere episodes, "Kill Ari, Parts I and II", Ari is seen handling one again. In Part I, it's also one of the weapons Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) test-fires in her lab as well as handled by Gibbs.
[[Image:Bravo51-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Bravo 51 7.62x51 NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS 010.JPG|thumb|none|500px|"Sorry, Caitlin." Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) with the Bravo 51. Ari is using a non-MIL dot scope, making the long distance shot with the "KATE" much harder.]]

==Heckler & Koch SL8==
Ziva can be seen using a suppressed SL8 in the season 7 episode "Rule Fifty-One". She uses it to provide sniper cover when DiNozzo and McGee try to arrest Jason Paul Dean ([[Dylan Bruno]]). She later uses the weapon unsupressed and loaded with blanks to flush out a kidnapper in Season 8's "Worst Nightmare".
[[Image:H%26KSL8Tactical.jpg|none|300px|thumb|[[Heckler & Koch SL8]] - .223 Remington/5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS7 215.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva providing overwatch and sniper support for Tony and McGee in the season 7 finale, ''Rule Fifty One''.]]

==M40A1 Sniper Rifle==
An [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40A1 sniper rifle]] appears in the episodes "Kill Ari Part 1" and "Kill Ari Part 2". It is the rifle used by Gibbs in his Marine days and he now keeps it in a case in his basement. He also uses it during the rescue mission in Season 7's premiere "Truth or Consequences", killing 2 terrorists at long range. It was also one of the weapons tested by Abby to see if it was used by Ari to kill Kate. It is presumed that a different M40A1 then that currently in Gibbs' basement was used by him to avenge the murder of his wife and daughter. He used said rifle to shoot their killer from long range (in excess of 700 yards), through the windshield of a moving pick up.
[[Image:M40a1standard-1-.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M40A1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS 22022.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs with the M40A1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:NCISS7 101.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs, in full ghillie suit, aiming his rifle in Season 7's "Truth or Consequences" (S07E01).]]

==M40A3 Sniper Rifle==
A Marine Corps [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40A3 sniper rifle]] is another rifle Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:M40a3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M40A3 sniper rifle with Harris bipod 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the M40A3 in "Kill Ari, Part I."]]

== Remington 700 BDL ==
A scoped [[Remington 700]] BDL rifle is held by Ritt Everett ([[Timothy Bottoms]]) in Season 2's "Vanished".
[[Image:Remington-Model-700-BDL 308.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope (current production) - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:NCISS2 401.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A scoped [[Remington 700]] BDL rifle is held by Ritt Everett ([[Timothy Bottoms]]) in Season 2's "Vanished".]]

==Remington 700PSS==
In Season 3's "Bait", an SRT sniper is seen with the [[Remington 700PSS]] rifle. Ziva uses one while covering Ducky in Season 4's "Blowback".
[[Image:RemingtonPSS700.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700PSS with Harris bipod, in .300 Win Mag]]
[[Image:NCIS3 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Bait", an SRT sniper is seen with the [[Remington 700PSS]] rifle.]]
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva covers Ducky with the Remington 700PSS and a night vision scope in Season 4's "Blowback".]]

==Tango 51==
A Tango 51 is an Tac-Ops accurized and blue-printed Remington M700 action, designed for high accuracy shooting. It is one of the sniper rifles Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:Tango51a.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tango 51]]
[[Image:NCIS 22023.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Winchester Model 70==
A [[Winchester Model 70]] is held in Season 9's "Engaged, Part I" (S9E08).
[[Image:NCISS9 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Winchester Model 70]] is held in Season 9's "Engaged, Part I" (S9E08).]]

=Shotguns=

==Benelli M4 Super 90==
Some of Drantyev's men are seen carrying [[Benelli M4 Super 90]] shotguns in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".
[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Benelli M4 Super 90 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS6 108.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Thugs approaching the Diner with their Benellis]]

==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
A [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is a murder weapon in Season 6's "Family". The team enters a garage where the "CyberVid Killer" is forced to hold a double-barreled shotgun in Season 6's "Murder 2.0". Gibbs swings one shut and hands it to Franks in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".
[[Image:StevesSBS1960s.jpg|thumb|none|350px|1960s Era Commercial Stevens hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5114.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Family", DiNozzo is seen with the 12 gauge double barrel.]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A 12 Gauge hammerless shotgun is seen in Season 6's "Murder 2.0".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 13.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Gibbs holds the Double Barreled shotgun in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

== Heckler & Koch FABARM ==
Viggo Drantyev ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch FABARM FP6|Heckler & Koch FABARM]] shotgun when entering the diner in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".
[[Image:Heckler and koch shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch FABARM -12 Gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS6 106.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Viggo Drantyev ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch FABARM FP6|Heckler & Koch FABARM]] shotgun when entering the diner in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".]]

== Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" ==
A [[Mossberg 590]] Compact Cruiser is grabbed by a kidnapper in Season 3's "Honor Code".
[[Image:MossbergCompactCruiser.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS 22016.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The kidnapper grabs the 590 in Season 3's "Honor Code".]]

==Remington 870==
Several different models of the [[Remington 870]] are used in numerous episodes.

===Remington 870 (Police)===
In Season 2's finale "Twilight" (S2E26), Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]) uses a police [[Remington 870]] to flush out the terrorists in the warehouse. Kate ([[Sasha Alexander]]) uses it during the shootout before running out of ammo and tossing it to take a bullet for Gibbs. In Season 3's "Ravenous", a [[Remington 870 Shotgun|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot ]] shotgun is used by Gibbs as the team hunts a fugitive in the woods.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Version 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS3 27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kate holds the empty Remington in Season 2's "Twilight".]]
[[Image:NCIS 009.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs holds the 870 on a suspect in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]

Kate is seen using a [[Remington 870]] Police version with a dedicated forend weapon light to wound a suspect that took her SIG in Season 1's "UnSEALed".
[[Image:Model870P MAXlg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Police with a dedicated forend weapon light - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:NCIS3 16.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kate takes out the Remington. Note the ejection port.]]
[[Image:NCIS3 17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kate fires the 870 in Season 1's "UnSEALed".]]

===Remington 870 Police "Entry Gun"===
In Season 4's "Sandblast", Lt. Col. Hollis Mann is seen using a [[Remington 870]] Police Entry Gun fitted with a saddle shell holder and forend weapon light when raiding a suspected terrorist hideout.
[[Image:Model870P 14inlg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Police "Entry Gun" with a dedicated forend weapon light - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS4 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grabbing the 870 Police "Entry Gun".]]
[[Image:NCIS4 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Army CID Lt. Col. Hollis Mann ([[Susanna Thompson]]) holds the Remington 870 Police Entry Gun in Season 4's "Sandblast".]]

===Remington 870 Express Sureshot===
One of Viggo's men holds Express model of the Remington 870 the in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".
[[File:870-exp-ss-syn-cls-prod.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Express Sureshot]]
[[Image:NCIS6 109.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|One of Viggo's men holds Express model of the Remington 870 the in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".]]

===Remington 870 Express===
A turkey hunter is seen with a camouflage-painted [[Remington 870]] Express shotgun in Season 8's "False Witness".
[[File:Rem870Express.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]
[[Image:NCIS shotguns.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The turkey hunter on the left right is seen with a camouflage-painted [[Remington 870]] Express shotgun in Season 8's "False Witness".]]

==Savage 512 O/U Gold Wing shotgun==
A [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Savage 512 O/U Gold Wing]] shotgun is seen used by former Ensign Randy Wiles in Season 1's "The Curse".
[[File:Savage512.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]
[[Image:NCISS1 401.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the shotgun.]]
[[Image:NCISS1 403.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Former Ensign Randy Wiles holds the shotgun while questioned by Gibbs and Kate in Season 1's "The Curse".]]
[[Image:NCISS1 405.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Behind Wiles are several shotguns.]]

==Winchester Model 1200 Ranger==
A turkey hunter is seen with a [[Winchester Model 1200]] Ranger shotgun in Season 8's "False Witness".
[[File:WInchester Ranger Model 120.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:NCIS shotguns.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The turkey hunter on the far right is seen with a [[Winchester Model 1200]] Ranger shotgun in Season 8's "False Witness".]]

=Machine Guns=

==M60E3 Machine Gun==
In Season 1's "Split Decision", here Gibbs is undercover as an arms dealer, several short-barreled [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3 machine guns]] can be seen; Gibbs bringing them to make a sale, however the ones he brought to 'sell' didn't have firing pins.
[[Image:M60E3Short.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60E3 machine gun with short barrel as seen in ''[[Commando]]'' - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 002.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Roger Cooke ([[Scott MacDonald]]) holds the M60E3 in Season 1's "Split Decision" (S1E21).]]

==M240 Machine Gun==
What appears to be a rigged [[M240 Machine Gun]] is discovered by McGee and Malachi during a routine security check to locate potential security threats against Eli David.
[[File:M240-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:NCIS GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rigged machine gun found by Malachi ([[T.J. Ramini]]), which he disarms by pulling the electrical plug.]]

==M249 SAW Paratrooper==
A Marine is briefly seen using an [[M249 SAW]] in Season 9's "Engaged Part II".
[[File:M249ParaWAmmo.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:NCISS9 23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup shot of the M249 SAW Para.]]
[[File:NCISS9 28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The US Marine standing next to Ziva is armed with the M249 SAW Para.]]

== Browning M2 ==
A [[Browning M2]] HB is seen mounted on top of a Marine humvee Season 5's "In The Zone". A remote-operated Browning is seen in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".
[[Image:BrowningM2HB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2 .50 BMG]]
[[Image:NCIS56 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Browning M2]] HB is seen mounted on top of a Marine humvee Season 5's "In The Zone". ]]
[[Image:NCISS9 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A remote-operated Browning is seen in Season 9's "Engaged, Part II".]]

=Heavy Weapons=
==FIM-92A Stinger==
An [[FIM-92A Stinger]] is seen in the weapons cache Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes Gibbs to see in Season 1's "Enigma".
[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FIM-92A Stinger 70mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An [[FIM-92A Stinger]] is seen in the weapons cache Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes Gibbs to see in Season 1's "Enigma".]]

==M72A2 LAW==
A crate of [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]'s in seen in Season 1's "Split Decision".
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm.]]
[[Image:NCIS12 406.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A crate of [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]'s in seen in Season 1's "Split Decision".]]

==M136 AT4==
In Season 1's "Split Decision", an [[M136 AT4]] is seen being put up for purchase on the internet.
[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|M136 AT4 Anti-Tank rocket launcher - 84mm]]
[[File:NCIS12 414.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The M72 LAW on the far left, the SMAW in the middle and the AT4 on the right.]]

==M141 SMAW-D==
In Season 1's "Split Decision", an [[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW#M141 SMAW-D|M141 SMAW-D]] is seen being put up for purchase on the internet.
[[Image:Image004.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW#M141 SMAW-D|M141 SMAW-D]] - 83mm]]
[[File:NCIS12 414.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The M72 LAW on the far left, the SMAW in the middle and the AT4 on the right.]]

== Norinco Type 69 RPG ==
A [[RPG-7|Type 69]] RPG is also seen in Col. Ryan's cache.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Type 69 rests on its bipod.]]

==M3 Carl Gustav Launcher==
A terrorist is seen using a rocket launcher that appears to be mocked up from an M3 [[Carl Gustav Recoilless Rifle]] in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign" in an attempt to kill Eli David ([[Michael Nouri]]). It resembles the mock-up launcher used in the series ''[[NCIS: Los Angeles]]'' and ''[[Chuck]]''.
[[Image:CarlGustavM3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Carl Gustav M3 - 84mm]]
[[Image:NCIS fake Spike.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A Palestinian terrorist prepares to aim the launcher in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign".]]
[[Image:NCIS Fake Spike sights.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fake scope sight of the launcher.]]

=Other=
==Advanced Taser M26==
Abby ([[Pauley Perrette]]) is seen using an [[Taser|Advanced Taser M26]] on her stalker in the Season 3 episode "Bloodbath". A security guard also shoots McGee with one in Season 6's "Silent Night".
[[Image:AdvancedM26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Advanced Taser M26]]
[[Image:NCIS 22001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby ([[Pauley Perrette]]) uses the Advanced Taser.]]

==Air Rifle==
A kid uses an air rifle to shoot a hole in an inflatable raft in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1".

[[Image:NCIS6 111.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The kid with his grin after seeing his handiwork.]]

==Paintball Gun==
A paintball gun is seen by ROTC students.
[[File:NCIS34 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==ASP Red Gun (SIG-Sauer P226R)==
Plastic replicas of [[SIG-Sauer P226]]'s are used by Gibbs, Tony and Mossad officers Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]) and Liat Tuvia (Sarai Givaty) during a training exercise in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign". The "guns" have laser aiming modules attached to their rails that appear to be activated when Gibbs pulls the trigger. Interestingly ASP replicas are solid pieces of plastic, the triggers don't move.

[[Image:NCIS replica.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs using an ASP Red Gun with a laser module in a training exercise.]]

==RKG-3==
A pair of [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]]s were confiscated by Gibbs in Season 9's "Thirst" (S9E06).

[[Image:Rk3-upg82.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]]
[[File:NCIS RKG-3.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Tony points out the two RKG-3s in a picture to a suspect during interrogation in Season 9's "Thirst" (S9E06).]]

==Mass of firearms==
Several pistols and other small arms are found by McGee in "A Man Walks into a Bar."

[[Image:NCIS pistols.jpg|thumb|none|500px|McGee discovers an array of pistols in Marcus Leonard's room.]]
[[Image:NCIS weapon collection.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another set of small arms on a table.]]
[[Image:NCIS weapon collection side shot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Side shot of the small arms found by McGee.]]

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Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2011-12-09T03:06:13Z

TheDon: /* Tony's Gun in Baltimore */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length guide rod system similar to that found on compact Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)

[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|700px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== DVD Cover ==

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]

== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==

In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand". --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

==Splitting the article to seasons==

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]
[[File:NCIS Tony shooting range.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tony fires his P228 in a shooting range in the first episode of Season 9's "Nature of the Beast".]]

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2011-12-09T03:05:32Z

TheDon: /* Tony's Gun in Baltimore */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length guide rod system similar to that found on Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)

[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|700px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== DVD Cover ==

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]

== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==

In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand". --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

==Splitting the article to seasons==

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]
[[File:NCIS Tony shooting range.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tony fires his P228 in a shooting range in the first episode of Season 9's "Nature of the Beast".]]

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2011-12-09T03:04:15Z

TheDon: /* Tony's Gun in Baltimore */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length quide rod system similar to that found on Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)

[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|700px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== DVD Cover ==

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]

== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==

In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand". --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

==Splitting the article to seasons==

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]
[[File:NCIS Tony shooting range.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tony fires his P228 in a shooting range in the first episode of Season 9's "Nature of the Beast".]]

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2011-12-09T03:03:30Z

TheDon:

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length quide rod system similar to that found on Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort?

[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|700px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== DVD Cover ==

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]

== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==

In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand". --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

==Splitting the article to seasons==

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]
[[File:NCIS Tony shooting range.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tony fires his P228 in a shooting range in the first episode of Season 9's "Nature of the Beast".]]

Talk:Southland

2011-09-10T21:58:31Z

TheDon: /* Random crap to change. */

== Unidentified Weapons ==
[[Image:SouthL 342.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
'''That''' is not a glock 26.

== Walther PPK or non gun? ==

This particular handgun a Walther or a non-gun? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:SouthL 311.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Can someone help ID's these guns?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Used by one of the highway shooters in episode 8. Possibly a series 70.
[[Image:South451.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:South452.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

This gun was used in Episode 2 of Season 2.
[[Image:South453.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

It looks like a Sphinx AT380. David.

Thanks for your help.

--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

* Now that the DVD is out, anyone want to do some screen-capture work? Also, I think the hooker/escort in episode three has either a PPK, or a Sig-SauerP-230/232.

* One gangbanger in episode seven has a TEC-9. It can be seen briefly has he retreats from Lydias' house.

* One of the highway shooters in Episode 8, had some kind of 1911. Looked like a series 70.

why is a cop using a M60E3 machine gun.
:When Dewey he met Tom Sizemore's character (a movie producer I believe), he took Dewey to his mansion and let him shoot one of his AK-47s and his M60. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

== Glock 22 ==

Are the cops in this show actually using Glock 22's? The muzzles don't look bigger than that of a 9mm. And wouldn't it make more sense (since they are cops) to use the Glock 17? Every other show/film has cops with G17's, so why would the creators or the armorers have used 22's (unless the show was about FBI agents and the show was trying to be really realistic.) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 12:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

In the LAPD probational officers have to carry Glock 22s until they get off probie status. That being siad, most prop houses tend to carry guns in 9mm, and well Bens gun, is definantly supposed to be a Glock 22 for plot purposes, I suspect, its a Glock 17.
-AC
::Ah, ok. And That's what I thought too, I think they are Glock 17's --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 19:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Wrong, if you enlarge the screen with Sherman at the Range, you can see the "22" right next to the Glock logo in front if you look closely.
::::Well duh, of course now that someone has put up a proper screenshot identifying them as 22's... that wasn't the case not too long ago...ps. sign your posts --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 12:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== The currently uidentified file. ==

The gangbangers that shoot up Janillas house in episode two have a shotgun, and a smg, but they cant be seen clearly.

In episode three when Chickie takes her gun out of a lockbox, she also takes what is presumably her backup weapon, and sticks it in one of her shirt pockets, its on screen maybe a quarter of a second.

When Cooper goes to get pill from his ex near the end of the same episode, his off-duty weapon can be seen in his waistband. While it looked like it might be a S&W it was too small to be his 5906. It also looked like it had custom grips.

-AC

== Random crap to change. ==

The Mp5s, where A3s. Also the M4s in the raid on the auto shop, had aimpoint sights instead of ACOGs.

The highway gunmen were cartel hitmen, not gangbangers.

The part with the smith and wesson model 19 is wrong, it was a model 15 used by the father.

I went through and changed any use of "Officer Dewey" to "Officer Dudek", as that is the character's name. "Dewey" is a nickname, and should not be used in conjunction with his title.

== Season 3 episode one. ==

The band robbers had AKs, and one of them killed himself with what appeared to be a Berreta.

== Season 3, episode 3. ==

The Sheriffs deputys that confronted Sammy and Nate had USPs I think.

John used a X-26 taser.

Talk:Southland

2011-09-10T21:58:13Z

TheDon: /* Random crap to change. */

== Unidentified Weapons ==
[[Image:SouthL 342.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
'''That''' is not a glock 26.

== Walther PPK or non gun? ==

This particular handgun a Walther or a non-gun? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:SouthL 311.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Can someone help ID's these guns?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Used by one of the highway shooters in episode 8. Possibly a series 70.
[[Image:South451.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:South452.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

This gun was used in Episode 2 of Season 2.
[[Image:South453.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

It looks like a Sphinx AT380. David.

Thanks for your help.

--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

* Now that the DVD is out, anyone want to do some screen-capture work? Also, I think the hooker/escort in episode three has either a PPK, or a Sig-SauerP-230/232.

* One gangbanger in episode seven has a TEC-9. It can be seen briefly has he retreats from Lydias' house.

* One of the highway shooters in Episode 8, had some kind of 1911. Looked like a series 70.

why is a cop using a M60E3 machine gun.
:When Dewey he met Tom Sizemore's character (a movie producer I believe), he took Dewey to his mansion and let him shoot one of his AK-47s and his M60. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

== Glock 22 ==

Are the cops in this show actually using Glock 22's? The muzzles don't look bigger than that of a 9mm. And wouldn't it make more sense (since they are cops) to use the Glock 17? Every other show/film has cops with G17's, so why would the creators or the armorers have used 22's (unless the show was about FBI agents and the show was trying to be really realistic.) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 12:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

In the LAPD probational officers have to carry Glock 22s until they get off probie status. That being siad, most prop houses tend to carry guns in 9mm, and well Bens gun, is definantly supposed to be a Glock 22 for plot purposes, I suspect, its a Glock 17.
-AC
::Ah, ok. And That's what I thought too, I think they are Glock 17's --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 19:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Wrong, if you enlarge the screen with Sherman at the Range, you can see the "22" right next to the Glock logo in front if you look closely.
::::Well duh, of course now that someone has put up a proper screenshot identifying them as 22's... that wasn't the case not too long ago...ps. sign your posts --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 12:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== The currently uidentified file. ==

The gangbangers that shoot up Janillas house in episode two have a shotgun, and a smg, but they cant be seen clearly.

In episode three when Chickie takes her gun out of a lockbox, she also takes what is presumably her backup weapon, and sticks it in one of her shirt pockets, its on screen maybe a quarter of a second.

When Cooper goes to get pill from his ex near the end of the same episode, his off-duty weapon can be seen in his waistband. While it looked like it might be a S&W it was too small to be his 5906. It also looked like it had custom grips.

-AC

== Random crap to change. ==

The Mp5s, where A3s. Also the M4s in the raid on the auto shop, had aimpoint sights instead of ACOGs.

The highway gunmen were cartel hitmen, not gangbangers.

The part with the smith and wesson model 19 is wrong, it was a model 15 used by the father.

I went through and changed any use of "Officer Dewey" to "Officer Dudek", as that is the characters name. "Dewey" is a nickname, and should not be used in conjunction with his title.

== Season 3 episode one. ==

The band robbers had AKs, and one of them killed himself with what appeared to be a Berreta.

== Season 3, episode 3. ==

The Sheriffs deputys that confronted Sammy and Nate had USPs I think.

John used a X-26 taser.

Southland

2011-09-10T21:53:31Z

TheDon: /* AKM */

[[Image:Poster southland.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Southland'' (2009-)]]

''Southland'' is a police drama from executive producer John Wells (''[[The West Wing]]'') that follows the lives of several police officers within the ranks of the Los Angeles Police Department. The show originally ran for 1 season on NBC, and currently is airing new episodes on the TNT Network.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the series ''Southland'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Beretta 92FS==
Several LAPD officers and detectives carry the [[Beretta 92FS]] as their sidearm, including Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]), Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]), Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]), Officer Bill "Dewey" Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]), Detective Russell Clarke ([[Tom Everett Scott]]), and a number of other officers. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. Also used by at least one of the sheriff's deputies in S1E04 "Salley in the Alley." This weapon is also on the Sheriff's Department approved carry list. One of the Latino hitmen in the first few episodes of Season 2 also uses a Beretta.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm]]
[[Image:Southl806.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Russell Clarke ([[Tom Everett Scott]]) draws his Beretta on a cornered suspect.]]
[[Image:SouthLand_BerettaM92_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detectives Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) and Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) enter a liquor store with their Berettas drawn.]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Clarke and a sheriff's deputy on the right are seen with their Beretta's drawn.]]
[[Image:SouthL 325.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]) holds his recovered Beretta sidearm.]]

==Taurus PT99==
Two gang members use [[Taurus PT99]] pistols in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).

[[Image:MindPt99.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Older-model Taurus PT99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the Taurus in "Derailed".]]
[[Image:SouthL 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangmember threatens a witness with the Taurus in "Derailed".]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] (as evidenced by its double stack frame) as his duty sidearm. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range and later having to perform a "failure drill" on a gunman (double tap to the chest and one to the head)
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) draws his S&W in the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble".]]
[[Image:SouthL 334.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cooper holds the S&W as he and Sherman make a massive discovery in Season 2.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 3's "Failure Drill", Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range and then having to perform a "failure drill" on a gunman (double tap to the chest and one to the head).]]

==Glock 22==
Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) carries a [[Glock 22]] as his sidearm. This weapon is standard issue to all LAPD probationary officers. Upon completion of probation, they may choose to switch to another weapon on the approved carry list, or they can stay with the Glock. Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) also uses a Glock 22 as her sidearm, although her weapon is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light. Detective Ray Suarez ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) can also be seen using a Glock 22 in episode 11.
[[Image:Glock22.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 22 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:SouthL008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) uses a [[Glock 22]] to take down a suspect. This appears to be a [[Non Gun]].]]
[[Image:SouthL 317.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sherman draws his Glock while on a movie set.]]
[[Image:Southl813.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) draws her Glock 22, which is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light.]]
[[Image:SouthL 327.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie draws her Glock as she responds to a disturbance.]]
[[Image:SouthL 330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie and Sherman with their Glock's drawn as they approach a car.]]
[[Image:SouthlandG22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ben fires his Glock 22 on the range. If the photo is enlarged to full size, the '22' engraved on the slide is visible.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Rodrigo Morales fires his Glock 22 on the range.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP (Two-tone)==
A gang member uses a two tone [[Heckler & Koch USP]] to shoot a non-gang affiliated black kid in the pilot (S1E01 "Unknown Trouble").
[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Two-tone Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthL010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gang member uses a two tone [[Heckler & Koch USP]] to shoot a non-gang affiliated black kid. ]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==
One of the Sheriff's deputies in S1E04 "Salley in the Alley" is seen carrying a [[Heckler & Koch USP]]. The correct model would be the .45 ACP version, as that is the only USP on the Sheriff's Department approved carry list.
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sheriff's deputy in the middle carries the USP.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), a Hispanic gang member uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] in a shooting. The same gang member uses it to shoot Dewey later on in the episode. In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie and John arrest a man on the street for possession of a concealed handgun. The S&W Model 60 is one of the handguns Chickie confiscates from the suspect.
[[Image:Smith wesson 60.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Southland_SW60_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), a gang member opens fire with the S&W Model 60.]]
[[Image:Southl803.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The handcuffed gang member opens fire on Dewey with the S&W.]]
[[Image:SouthL 341.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie finds the S&W Model 60 while searching a man on the street.]]

==Jericho 941==
A third gang member uses a [[Jericho 941]] in the shooting in the pilot episode.
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941 - 9mm]]
[[Image:SouthL009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A third gang member uses a [[Jericho 941]] in the shooting in the pilot episode.]]

==Sphinx AT380==
A gang member is seen throwing a [[Sphinx AT380 Pistol]] into the MacArthur Park lake in "Butch and Sundance" (S2E02).
[[Image:Sphinx-AT380.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sphinx AT380 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:South453.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A diver recovers the [[Sphinx AT380 Pistol]] from the bottom of the MacArthur Park lake.]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] as her duty gun. She gives it to the witness she is protecting in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).
[[Image:3913.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 301.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) gives her [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] to the witness she is protecting in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).]]

==Smith & Wesson 6906==
Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) uses an early model [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] (notice low, non-novak rear sights, as well as the "hooked" trigger guard) as her off-duty gun, which she notably uses to arrest the Canyon Rapist in Season 2's "Maximum Deployment" (S2E06).
[[Image:S&W6906 TUS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] pistol - 9x19mm. This is the screen used S&W 6906 in the movie [[The Usual Suspects]].]]
[[Image:SouthL 333.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) uses an early model [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] while apprehending the Canyon Rapist in Season 2's "Maximum Deployment" (S2E06).]]

==Raven Arms MP-25==
A woman pulls what appears to be a [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol on actor Timmy Davis ([[Tom Sizemore]]) in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03). One is also seen in the intro sequence.
[[Image:RavenMP25.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Raven Arms MP25 - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:Southl811.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A woman pulls a [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol on actor Timmy Davis in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]
[[Image:SouthlandRaven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangster with a Raven Arms MP-25 in the intro.]]

==Smith & Wesson 61 Escort==
In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie misses a [[Smith & Wesson 61 Escort]] in a street thug's ankle holster. Cooper finds it during a more thorough pat-down.
[[Image:S&W61Escort.jpg|thumb|none|300px|S&W 61 Escort - .22 Long Rifle]]
[[Image:SouthL 342.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"You missed this one." Cooper finds the pistol after a more thorough pat-down search.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie with the S&W Escort.]]

==Desert Eagle Mark XIX==
A gold-plated [[Desert Eagle|Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] can be seen on the bed in the house of some Latino hitmen in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05).
[[Image:DesertGold44.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Gold plated Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated [[Desert Eagle|Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] can be seen on the bed in the house of some Latino hitmen. Note the fluted barrel, indicating that this is a .44 Magnum model.]]

==Desert Eagle (Non Gun)==
Among Timmy Davis's other weapons is a [[Non_Guns#Desert_Eagle|Non Gun Desert Eagle]]. Seen in S1E03 "See the Woman."
[[Image:Ng pistol DE PN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Non Gun Desert Eagle]]
[[Image:SouthlandDE.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Desert Eagle, among other weapons.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) confiscates a [[Colt M1911A1]] from a teenager in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05). A cartel hitman uses a gold plated M1911A1 in Season 2's "Phase Three" (S2E01) which is seen again (along with another identical 1911) in episode 5.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthL 339.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Colt M1911A1]] is confiscated from a teenager in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05).]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Airsoft Replica of a Springfield Armory M1911-A1.]]
[[Image:South640A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A cartel hitman uses a gold plated M1911A1 in Season 2's "Phase Three" (S2E01).]]
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated M1911A1 and a gold-plated Browning High Power are found in Season 2.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
In Season 3's "Code 4" (S3E04), Ben finds a [[Colt Detective Special]] revolver in a restaurant owner's possession.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 404.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
The grieving father in "The Runner" (S2E04) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] when he goes to kill his daughter's murderer. Detectives Adams and Suarez confiscate it from him when he is arrested.
[[Image:S&WModel15.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 328.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams confiscates the father's Smith & Wesson Model 15.]]
[[Image:SouthS&W15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Suarez with the S&W Model 15 after confiscating and clearing it. This shot gives a better view of the lack of ejector rod shroud, one of the few distinguishing features between the Model 15 and 19.]]

==SIG Sauer P228==
In the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) one of Marta's bodyguards pulls a [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG Sauer P228]] on Marquis. Later in the episode, one of the gangsters sent to Lydia's house uses a nickel P228. He fires a shot Lydia, but misses and is subsequently killed. Another is briefly seen used by one Marta's men to execute a hitman at the beginning of the episode.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG Sauer P228 - 9mmx19.]]
[[Image:SouthlandSig2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bodyguard on the left draws his P228.]]
[[Image:P228Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickel P228 - 9mmx19.]]
[[Image:SouthlandP228.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gangster drops his SIG after being killed.]]

==Makarov PM==
In Season 2's "The Runner" (S2E04), a murder suspect keeps a [[Makarov PM]] pistol in his baby brother's stroller. He tosses the gun while being chased by Sammy and Nate, and the gun discharges when it hits the ground.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM - 9x18mm]]
[[Image:SouthMak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The suspect's Makarov PM discharges as it hits the ground.]]

==Walther PPK (Non Gun)==
Sal's neighbor ([[Rapheal Sbarge]]) uses a [[Non_Guns#Walther_PPK|Non Gun Walther PPK]] in the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) when confronted by Russell.
[[Image:Ng pistol PPK SN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 311.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sal's neighbor ([[Rapheal Sbarge]]) uses a [[Non_Guns#Walther_PPK|Non Gun Walther PPK]] in the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) when confronted by Russell.]]

==Kimber Custom TLE II==
SWAT officers in "Two Gangs" (S1E05) and "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E06) carry what appear to be [[Kimber Custom TLE II]] pistols (the sidearm of all LAPD SWAT officers) in their holsters.
[[Image:KimberCustomTLEII SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Kimber Custom TLE II with Surefire 310R weaponlight - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthlandKimber.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers storm the body shop in "What Makes Sammy Run?" with their Kimber TLEs holstered.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated M1911A1 and a gold-plated Browning High Power are found in Season 2.]]

==Unknown Handguns==

===Skylar's Compact Handgun===
In "Mozambique" (S1E02) Skylar carries an unknown compact pistol which he fires at Chickie before dropping it in an alley.
[[Image:SouthlandUnknownCompact.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skylar fires his pistol at Chickie.]]

===The Shop Owner's Handgun===
In "Mozambique" (S1E02) the owner of a convenience store holds an unknown pistol on a would-be robber. It appears to have a stainless or nickel finish with black grips.
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ben spots the shop owner holding his gun on the robber.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Ben storms in the shop owner continues to hold his gun on the robber.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The shop owner drops his weapon when confronted by Ben.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
Several LAPD officers are seen using [[Remington 870]] shotguns, once seen equipped with tactical lights in episode 1. They are often seen in the shotgun racks of the police cars. This is the standard shotgun for all LAPD personnel. Detective Clarke notably uses one loaded with beanbag ammo in episode 2. Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) also carries one during a raid.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Riot - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthLand_Remington_001a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Officer Cooper carries the Remington in the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble".]]
[[Image:SouthLand_Remington_002a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooper takes out the Remington 870 loaded with beanbag ammo.]]
[[Image:Southl822.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) with the Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Southl824.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Adams with the Remington.]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Winchester Model 1300 "Defender"==
Detective Adams keeps a [[Winchester Model 1200/1300|Winchester Model 1300 "Defender"]] in a safe in her home. She uses it to shoot the gang members trying to kill a witness in her home in Season 1's "Derailed" (S01E07). It is identified as a Winchester by the magazine cap.
[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Def.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Winchester Model 1300 "Defender" - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Southland_Defender_001a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07), Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) preparing to shoot the intruders with her Winchester Model 1300.]]

==Benelli M3 Super 90==
At least one SWAT officer uses a [[Benelli M3 Super 90]] in episode 12. It has a weaponlight, and spare shell holders.
[[Image:Benelli_m3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Benelli M3 Super 90]] with pistol grip stock - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthL 312.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Assault Rifles=
==M4 Carbine==
LAPD SWAT officers are armed with [[M4 Carbine]]s during the raid on a gang member's arms dealing warehouse in Season 1's "Two Gangs" (S01E05). The gang's warehouse is also seen stocked with M4's. The SWAT officers' M4's are equipped with SureFire tactical lights and Aimpoint red dot sights. They are seen again the hands of SWAT officers in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S02E06).
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 320.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:M4 SWAT-1-A.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 Carbine]]
[[Image:SouthL 322.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==AKM==
Officer Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[AK-47|AKM]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Non-Gun AK-47]]
[[Image:Southl820.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[AK-47|AKM]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]

==Fake (Non-Gun) AK-47==
Timmy Davis uses a [[Non_Guns#AK47|Non-Gun AK-47]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).
[[Image:Ng machinegun AK47 allwood.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Non-Gun AK-47]]
[[Image:Southl820.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Timmy Davis and Dewey fire their AKs.]]

==AKMS==
[[Image:SouthL 401.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==M16A2==
In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with a ACOG scope.
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 12002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with a ACOG scope.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==MAC-10==
A gang member can be seen with a [[MAC-10]] as he flees Detective Adams' house in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 309.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gang member can be seen with a [[MAC-10]] as he flees Detective Adams' house in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).]]

==TEC-9==
A [[TEC-9]] is seen next to slain bank robber.
[[Image:SouthL 400.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Several SWAT officers use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]s in episode 12. They are fitted with weapon light forends.
[[Image:SWATMP5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 w/ Surefire tactical light - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 316.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
==M60E3==
Officer Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03). When asked how he could own a class-3 firearm, Timmy Davis says the props guy converted it from a semi automatic to fully automatic.
[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M60E3 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Southland_M60E3_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Dudek holds the M60E3 at the home of actor Timmy Davis ([[Tom Sizemore]]) in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]

==FN MAG ==
An [[FN MAG]] (most likely a substitute for the M240 machine gun) is briefly seen during the raid on a gang leader's residence in Season 1's "Two Gangs" (S01E05).
[[Image:FNMAG58.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 320.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An FN MAG (note the carry handle) is seen in the foreground as police raid a gang leader's home.]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Southland

2011-09-10T21:52:20Z

TheDon: /* M60E3 */

[[Image:Poster southland.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Southland'' (2009-)]]

''Southland'' is a police drama from executive producer John Wells (''[[The West Wing]]'') that follows the lives of several police officers within the ranks of the Los Angeles Police Department. The show originally ran for 1 season on NBC, and currently is airing new episodes on the TNT Network.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the series ''Southland'':'''

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=Handguns=
==Beretta 92FS==
Several LAPD officers and detectives carry the [[Beretta 92FS]] as their sidearm, including Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]), Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]), Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]), Officer Bill "Dewey" Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]), Detective Russell Clarke ([[Tom Everett Scott]]), and a number of other officers. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. Also used by at least one of the sheriff's deputies in S1E04 "Salley in the Alley." This weapon is also on the Sheriff's Department approved carry list. One of the Latino hitmen in the first few episodes of Season 2 also uses a Beretta.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm]]
[[Image:Southl806.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Russell Clarke ([[Tom Everett Scott]]) draws his Beretta on a cornered suspect.]]
[[Image:SouthLand_BerettaM92_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detectives Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) and Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) enter a liquor store with their Berettas drawn.]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Clarke and a sheriff's deputy on the right are seen with their Beretta's drawn.]]
[[Image:SouthL 325.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]) holds his recovered Beretta sidearm.]]

==Taurus PT99==
Two gang members use [[Taurus PT99]] pistols in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).

[[Image:MindPt99.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Older-model Taurus PT99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the Taurus in "Derailed".]]
[[Image:SouthL 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangmember threatens a witness with the Taurus in "Derailed".]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] (as evidenced by its double stack frame) as his duty sidearm. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range and later having to perform a "failure drill" on a gunman (double tap to the chest and one to the head)
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) draws his S&W in the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble".]]
[[Image:SouthL 334.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cooper holds the S&W as he and Sherman make a massive discovery in Season 2.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 3's "Failure Drill", Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range and then having to perform a "failure drill" on a gunman (double tap to the chest and one to the head).]]

==Glock 22==
Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) carries a [[Glock 22]] as his sidearm. This weapon is standard issue to all LAPD probationary officers. Upon completion of probation, they may choose to switch to another weapon on the approved carry list, or they can stay with the Glock. Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) also uses a Glock 22 as her sidearm, although her weapon is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light. Detective Ray Suarez ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) can also be seen using a Glock 22 in episode 11.
[[Image:Glock22.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 22 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:SouthL008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) uses a [[Glock 22]] to take down a suspect. This appears to be a [[Non Gun]].]]
[[Image:SouthL 317.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sherman draws his Glock while on a movie set.]]
[[Image:Southl813.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) draws her Glock 22, which is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light.]]
[[Image:SouthL 327.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie draws her Glock as she responds to a disturbance.]]
[[Image:SouthL 330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie and Sherman with their Glock's drawn as they approach a car.]]
[[Image:SouthlandG22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ben fires his Glock 22 on the range. If the photo is enlarged to full size, the '22' engraved on the slide is visible.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Rodrigo Morales fires his Glock 22 on the range.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP (Two-tone)==
A gang member uses a two tone [[Heckler & Koch USP]] to shoot a non-gang affiliated black kid in the pilot (S1E01 "Unknown Trouble").
[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Two-tone Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthL010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gang member uses a two tone [[Heckler & Koch USP]] to shoot a non-gang affiliated black kid. ]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==
One of the Sheriff's deputies in S1E04 "Salley in the Alley" is seen carrying a [[Heckler & Koch USP]]. The correct model would be the .45 ACP version, as that is the only USP on the Sheriff's Department approved carry list.
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sheriff's deputy in the middle carries the USP.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), a Hispanic gang member uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] in a shooting. The same gang member uses it to shoot Dewey later on in the episode. In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie and John arrest a man on the street for possession of a concealed handgun. The S&W Model 60 is one of the handguns Chickie confiscates from the suspect.
[[Image:Smith wesson 60.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Southland_SW60_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), a gang member opens fire with the S&W Model 60.]]
[[Image:Southl803.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The handcuffed gang member opens fire on Dewey with the S&W.]]
[[Image:SouthL 341.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie finds the S&W Model 60 while searching a man on the street.]]

==Jericho 941==
A third gang member uses a [[Jericho 941]] in the shooting in the pilot episode.
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941 - 9mm]]
[[Image:SouthL009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A third gang member uses a [[Jericho 941]] in the shooting in the pilot episode.]]

==Sphinx AT380==
A gang member is seen throwing a [[Sphinx AT380 Pistol]] into the MacArthur Park lake in "Butch and Sundance" (S2E02).
[[Image:Sphinx-AT380.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sphinx AT380 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:South453.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A diver recovers the [[Sphinx AT380 Pistol]] from the bottom of the MacArthur Park lake.]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] as her duty gun. She gives it to the witness she is protecting in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).
[[Image:3913.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 301.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) gives her [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] to the witness she is protecting in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).]]

==Smith & Wesson 6906==
Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) uses an early model [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] (notice low, non-novak rear sights, as well as the "hooked" trigger guard) as her off-duty gun, which she notably uses to arrest the Canyon Rapist in Season 2's "Maximum Deployment" (S2E06).
[[Image:S&W6906 TUS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] pistol - 9x19mm. This is the screen used S&W 6906 in the movie [[The Usual Suspects]].]]
[[Image:SouthL 333.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) uses an early model [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] while apprehending the Canyon Rapist in Season 2's "Maximum Deployment" (S2E06).]]

==Raven Arms MP-25==
A woman pulls what appears to be a [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol on actor Timmy Davis ([[Tom Sizemore]]) in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03). One is also seen in the intro sequence.
[[Image:RavenMP25.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Raven Arms MP25 - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:Southl811.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A woman pulls a [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol on actor Timmy Davis in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]
[[Image:SouthlandRaven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangster with a Raven Arms MP-25 in the intro.]]

==Smith & Wesson 61 Escort==
In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie misses a [[Smith & Wesson 61 Escort]] in a street thug's ankle holster. Cooper finds it during a more thorough pat-down.
[[Image:S&W61Escort.jpg|thumb|none|300px|S&W 61 Escort - .22 Long Rifle]]
[[Image:SouthL 342.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"You missed this one." Cooper finds the pistol after a more thorough pat-down search.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie with the S&W Escort.]]

==Desert Eagle Mark XIX==
A gold-plated [[Desert Eagle|Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] can be seen on the bed in the house of some Latino hitmen in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05).
[[Image:DesertGold44.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Gold plated Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated [[Desert Eagle|Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] can be seen on the bed in the house of some Latino hitmen. Note the fluted barrel, indicating that this is a .44 Magnum model.]]

==Desert Eagle (Non Gun)==
Among Timmy Davis's other weapons is a [[Non_Guns#Desert_Eagle|Non Gun Desert Eagle]]. Seen in S1E03 "See the Woman."
[[Image:Ng pistol DE PN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Non Gun Desert Eagle]]
[[Image:SouthlandDE.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Desert Eagle, among other weapons.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) confiscates a [[Colt M1911A1]] from a teenager in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05). A cartel hitman uses a gold plated M1911A1 in Season 2's "Phase Three" (S2E01) which is seen again (along with another identical 1911) in episode 5.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthL 339.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Colt M1911A1]] is confiscated from a teenager in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05).]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Airsoft Replica of a Springfield Armory M1911-A1.]]
[[Image:South640A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A cartel hitman uses a gold plated M1911A1 in Season 2's "Phase Three" (S2E01).]]
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated M1911A1 and a gold-plated Browning High Power are found in Season 2.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
In Season 3's "Code 4" (S3E04), Ben finds a [[Colt Detective Special]] revolver in a restaurant owner's possession.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 404.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
The grieving father in "The Runner" (S2E04) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] when he goes to kill his daughter's murderer. Detectives Adams and Suarez confiscate it from him when he is arrested.
[[Image:S&WModel15.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 328.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams confiscates the father's Smith & Wesson Model 15.]]
[[Image:SouthS&W15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Suarez with the S&W Model 15 after confiscating and clearing it. This shot gives a better view of the lack of ejector rod shroud, one of the few distinguishing features between the Model 15 and 19.]]

==SIG Sauer P228==
In the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) one of Marta's bodyguards pulls a [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG Sauer P228]] on Marquis. Later in the episode, one of the gangsters sent to Lydia's house uses a nickel P228. He fires a shot Lydia, but misses and is subsequently killed. Another is briefly seen used by one Marta's men to execute a hitman at the beginning of the episode.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG Sauer P228 - 9mmx19.]]
[[Image:SouthlandSig2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bodyguard on the left draws his P228.]]
[[Image:P228Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickel P228 - 9mmx19.]]
[[Image:SouthlandP228.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gangster drops his SIG after being killed.]]

==Makarov PM==
In Season 2's "The Runner" (S2E04), a murder suspect keeps a [[Makarov PM]] pistol in his baby brother's stroller. He tosses the gun while being chased by Sammy and Nate, and the gun discharges when it hits the ground.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM - 9x18mm]]
[[Image:SouthMak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The suspect's Makarov PM discharges as it hits the ground.]]

==Walther PPK (Non Gun)==
Sal's neighbor ([[Rapheal Sbarge]]) uses a [[Non_Guns#Walther_PPK|Non Gun Walther PPK]] in the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) when confronted by Russell.
[[Image:Ng pistol PPK SN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 311.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sal's neighbor ([[Rapheal Sbarge]]) uses a [[Non_Guns#Walther_PPK|Non Gun Walther PPK]] in the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) when confronted by Russell.]]

==Kimber Custom TLE II==
SWAT officers in "Two Gangs" (S1E05) and "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E06) carry what appear to be [[Kimber Custom TLE II]] pistols (the sidearm of all LAPD SWAT officers) in their holsters.
[[Image:KimberCustomTLEII SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Kimber Custom TLE II with Surefire 310R weaponlight - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthlandKimber.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers storm the body shop in "What Makes Sammy Run?" with their Kimber TLEs holstered.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated M1911A1 and a gold-plated Browning High Power are found in Season 2.]]

==Unknown Handguns==

===Skylar's Compact Handgun===
In "Mozambique" (S1E02) Skylar carries an unknown compact pistol which he fires at Chickie before dropping it in an alley.
[[Image:SouthlandUnknownCompact.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skylar fires his pistol at Chickie.]]

===The Shop Owner's Handgun===
In "Mozambique" (S1E02) the owner of a convenience store holds an unknown pistol on a would-be robber. It appears to have a stainless or nickel finish with black grips.
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ben spots the shop owner holding his gun on the robber.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Ben storms in the shop owner continues to hold his gun on the robber.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The shop owner drops his weapon when confronted by Ben.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
Several LAPD officers are seen using [[Remington 870]] shotguns, once seen equipped with tactical lights in episode 1. They are often seen in the shotgun racks of the police cars. This is the standard shotgun for all LAPD personnel. Detective Clarke notably uses one loaded with beanbag ammo in episode 2. Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) also carries one during a raid.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Riot - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthLand_Remington_001a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Officer Cooper carries the Remington in the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble".]]
[[Image:SouthLand_Remington_002a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooper takes out the Remington 870 loaded with beanbag ammo.]]
[[Image:Southl822.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) with the Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Southl824.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Adams with the Remington.]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Winchester Model 1300 "Defender"==
Detective Adams keeps a [[Winchester Model 1200/1300|Winchester Model 1300 "Defender"]] in a safe in her home. She uses it to shoot the gang members trying to kill a witness in her home in Season 1's "Derailed" (S01E07). It is identified as a Winchester by the magazine cap.
[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Def.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Winchester Model 1300 "Defender" - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Southland_Defender_001a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07), Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) preparing to shoot the intruders with her Winchester Model 1300.]]

==Benelli M3 Super 90==
At least one SWAT officer uses a [[Benelli M3 Super 90]] in episode 12. It has a weaponlight, and spare shell holders.
[[Image:Benelli_m3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Benelli M3 Super 90]] with pistol grip stock - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthL 312.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Assault Rifles=
==M4 Carbine==
LAPD SWAT officers are armed with [[M4 Carbine]]s during the raid on a gang member's arms dealing warehouse in Season 1's "Two Gangs" (S01E05). The gang's warehouse is also seen stocked with M4's. The SWAT officers' M4's are equipped with SureFire tactical lights and Aimpoint red dot sights. They are seen again the hands of SWAT officers in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S02E06).
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 320.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:M4 SWAT-1-A.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 Carbine]]
[[Image:SouthL 322.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==AKM==
Officer Dewey ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[AK-47|AKM]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Non-Gun AK-47]]
[[Image:Southl820.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Dewey ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[AK-47|AKM]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]

==Fake (Non-Gun) AK-47==
Timmy Davis uses a [[Non_Guns#AK47|Non-Gun AK-47]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).
[[Image:Ng machinegun AK47 allwood.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Non-Gun AK-47]]
[[Image:Southl820.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Timmy Davis and Dewey fire their AKs.]]

==AKMS==
[[Image:SouthL 401.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==M16A2==
In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with a ACOG scope.
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 12002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with a ACOG scope.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==MAC-10==
A gang member can be seen with a [[MAC-10]] as he flees Detective Adams' house in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 309.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gang member can be seen with a [[MAC-10]] as he flees Detective Adams' house in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).]]

==TEC-9==
A [[TEC-9]] is seen next to slain bank robber.
[[Image:SouthL 400.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Several SWAT officers use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]s in episode 12. They are fitted with weapon light forends.
[[Image:SWATMP5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 w/ Surefire tactical light - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 316.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
==M60E3==
Officer Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03). When asked how he could own a class-3 firearm, Timmy Davis says the props guy converted it from a semi automatic to fully automatic.
[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M60E3 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Southland_M60E3_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Dudek holds the M60E3 at the home of actor Timmy Davis ([[Tom Sizemore]]) in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]

==FN MAG ==
An [[FN MAG]] (most likely a substitute for the M240 machine gun) is briefly seen during the raid on a gang leader's residence in Season 1's "Two Gangs" (S01E05).
[[Image:FNMAG58.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 320.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An FN MAG (note the carry handle) is seen in the foreground as police raid a gang leader's home.]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Southland

2011-09-10T21:51:53Z

TheDon: /* M60E3 */

[[Image:Poster southland.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Southland'' (2009-)]]

''Southland'' is a police drama from executive producer John Wells (''[[The West Wing]]'') that follows the lives of several police officers within the ranks of the Los Angeles Police Department. The show originally ran for 1 season on NBC, and currently is airing new episodes on the TNT Network.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the series ''Southland'':'''

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=Handguns=
==Beretta 92FS==
Several LAPD officers and detectives carry the [[Beretta 92FS]] as their sidearm, including Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]), Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]), Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]), Officer Bill "Dewey" Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]), Detective Russell Clarke ([[Tom Everett Scott]]), and a number of other officers. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. Also used by at least one of the sheriff's deputies in S1E04 "Salley in the Alley." This weapon is also on the Sheriff's Department approved carry list. One of the Latino hitmen in the first few episodes of Season 2 also uses a Beretta.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm]]
[[Image:Southl806.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Russell Clarke ([[Tom Everett Scott]]) draws his Beretta on a cornered suspect.]]
[[Image:SouthLand_BerettaM92_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detectives Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) and Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) enter a liquor store with their Berettas drawn.]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Clarke and a sheriff's deputy on the right are seen with their Beretta's drawn.]]
[[Image:SouthL 325.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]) holds his recovered Beretta sidearm.]]

==Taurus PT99==
Two gang members use [[Taurus PT99]] pistols in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).

[[Image:MindPt99.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Older-model Taurus PT99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the Taurus in "Derailed".]]
[[Image:SouthL 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangmember threatens a witness with the Taurus in "Derailed".]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] (as evidenced by its double stack frame) as his duty sidearm. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range and later having to perform a "failure drill" on a gunman (double tap to the chest and one to the head)
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) draws his S&W in the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble".]]
[[Image:SouthL 334.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cooper holds the S&W as he and Sherman make a massive discovery in Season 2.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 3's "Failure Drill", Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range and then having to perform a "failure drill" on a gunman (double tap to the chest and one to the head).]]

==Glock 22==
Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) carries a [[Glock 22]] as his sidearm. This weapon is standard issue to all LAPD probationary officers. Upon completion of probation, they may choose to switch to another weapon on the approved carry list, or they can stay with the Glock. Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) also uses a Glock 22 as her sidearm, although her weapon is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light. Detective Ray Suarez ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) can also be seen using a Glock 22 in episode 11.
[[Image:Glock22.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 22 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:SouthL008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) uses a [[Glock 22]] to take down a suspect. This appears to be a [[Non Gun]].]]
[[Image:SouthL 317.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sherman draws his Glock while on a movie set.]]
[[Image:Southl813.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) draws her Glock 22, which is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light.]]
[[Image:SouthL 327.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie draws her Glock as she responds to a disturbance.]]
[[Image:SouthL 330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie and Sherman with their Glock's drawn as they approach a car.]]
[[Image:SouthlandG22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ben fires his Glock 22 on the range. If the photo is enlarged to full size, the '22' engraved on the slide is visible.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Rodrigo Morales fires his Glock 22 on the range.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP (Two-tone)==
A gang member uses a two tone [[Heckler & Koch USP]] to shoot a non-gang affiliated black kid in the pilot (S1E01 "Unknown Trouble").
[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Two-tone Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthL010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gang member uses a two tone [[Heckler & Koch USP]] to shoot a non-gang affiliated black kid. ]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==
One of the Sheriff's deputies in S1E04 "Salley in the Alley" is seen carrying a [[Heckler & Koch USP]]. The correct model would be the .45 ACP version, as that is the only USP on the Sheriff's Department approved carry list.
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sheriff's deputy in the middle carries the USP.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), a Hispanic gang member uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] in a shooting. The same gang member uses it to shoot Dewey later on in the episode. In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie and John arrest a man on the street for possession of a concealed handgun. The S&W Model 60 is one of the handguns Chickie confiscates from the suspect.
[[Image:Smith wesson 60.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Southland_SW60_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), a gang member opens fire with the S&W Model 60.]]
[[Image:Southl803.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The handcuffed gang member opens fire on Dewey with the S&W.]]
[[Image:SouthL 341.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie finds the S&W Model 60 while searching a man on the street.]]

==Jericho 941==
A third gang member uses a [[Jericho 941]] in the shooting in the pilot episode.
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941 - 9mm]]
[[Image:SouthL009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A third gang member uses a [[Jericho 941]] in the shooting in the pilot episode.]]

==Sphinx AT380==
A gang member is seen throwing a [[Sphinx AT380 Pistol]] into the MacArthur Park lake in "Butch and Sundance" (S2E02).
[[Image:Sphinx-AT380.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sphinx AT380 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:South453.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A diver recovers the [[Sphinx AT380 Pistol]] from the bottom of the MacArthur Park lake.]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] as her duty gun. She gives it to the witness she is protecting in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).
[[Image:3913.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 301.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) gives her [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] to the witness she is protecting in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).]]

==Smith & Wesson 6906==
Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) uses an early model [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] (notice low, non-novak rear sights, as well as the "hooked" trigger guard) as her off-duty gun, which she notably uses to arrest the Canyon Rapist in Season 2's "Maximum Deployment" (S2E06).
[[Image:S&W6906 TUS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] pistol - 9x19mm. This is the screen used S&W 6906 in the movie [[The Usual Suspects]].]]
[[Image:SouthL 333.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) uses an early model [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] while apprehending the Canyon Rapist in Season 2's "Maximum Deployment" (S2E06).]]

==Raven Arms MP-25==
A woman pulls what appears to be a [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol on actor Timmy Davis ([[Tom Sizemore]]) in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03). One is also seen in the intro sequence.
[[Image:RavenMP25.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Raven Arms MP25 - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:Southl811.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A woman pulls a [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol on actor Timmy Davis in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]
[[Image:SouthlandRaven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangster with a Raven Arms MP-25 in the intro.]]

==Smith & Wesson 61 Escort==
In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie misses a [[Smith & Wesson 61 Escort]] in a street thug's ankle holster. Cooper finds it during a more thorough pat-down.
[[Image:S&W61Escort.jpg|thumb|none|300px|S&W 61 Escort - .22 Long Rifle]]
[[Image:SouthL 342.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"You missed this one." Cooper finds the pistol after a more thorough pat-down search.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie with the S&W Escort.]]

==Desert Eagle Mark XIX==
A gold-plated [[Desert Eagle|Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] can be seen on the bed in the house of some Latino hitmen in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05).
[[Image:DesertGold44.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Gold plated Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated [[Desert Eagle|Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] can be seen on the bed in the house of some Latino hitmen. Note the fluted barrel, indicating that this is a .44 Magnum model.]]

==Desert Eagle (Non Gun)==
Among Timmy Davis's other weapons is a [[Non_Guns#Desert_Eagle|Non Gun Desert Eagle]]. Seen in S1E03 "See the Woman."
[[Image:Ng pistol DE PN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Non Gun Desert Eagle]]
[[Image:SouthlandDE.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Desert Eagle, among other weapons.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) confiscates a [[Colt M1911A1]] from a teenager in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05). A cartel hitman uses a gold plated M1911A1 in Season 2's "Phase Three" (S2E01) which is seen again (along with another identical 1911) in episode 5.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthL 339.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Colt M1911A1]] is confiscated from a teenager in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05).]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Airsoft Replica of a Springfield Armory M1911-A1.]]
[[Image:South640A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A cartel hitman uses a gold plated M1911A1 in Season 2's "Phase Three" (S2E01).]]
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated M1911A1 and a gold-plated Browning High Power are found in Season 2.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
In Season 3's "Code 4" (S3E04), Ben finds a [[Colt Detective Special]] revolver in a restaurant owner's possession.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 404.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
The grieving father in "The Runner" (S2E04) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] when he goes to kill his daughter's murderer. Detectives Adams and Suarez confiscate it from him when he is arrested.
[[Image:S&WModel15.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 328.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams confiscates the father's Smith & Wesson Model 15.]]
[[Image:SouthS&W15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Suarez with the S&W Model 15 after confiscating and clearing it. This shot gives a better view of the lack of ejector rod shroud, one of the few distinguishing features between the Model 15 and 19.]]

==SIG Sauer P228==
In the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) one of Marta's bodyguards pulls a [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG Sauer P228]] on Marquis. Later in the episode, one of the gangsters sent to Lydia's house uses a nickel P228. He fires a shot Lydia, but misses and is subsequently killed. Another is briefly seen used by one Marta's men to execute a hitman at the beginning of the episode.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG Sauer P228 - 9mmx19.]]
[[Image:SouthlandSig2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bodyguard on the left draws his P228.]]
[[Image:P228Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickel P228 - 9mmx19.]]
[[Image:SouthlandP228.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gangster drops his SIG after being killed.]]

==Makarov PM==
In Season 2's "The Runner" (S2E04), a murder suspect keeps a [[Makarov PM]] pistol in his baby brother's stroller. He tosses the gun while being chased by Sammy and Nate, and the gun discharges when it hits the ground.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM - 9x18mm]]
[[Image:SouthMak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The suspect's Makarov PM discharges as it hits the ground.]]

==Walther PPK (Non Gun)==
Sal's neighbor ([[Rapheal Sbarge]]) uses a [[Non_Guns#Walther_PPK|Non Gun Walther PPK]] in the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) when confronted by Russell.
[[Image:Ng pistol PPK SN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 311.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sal's neighbor ([[Rapheal Sbarge]]) uses a [[Non_Guns#Walther_PPK|Non Gun Walther PPK]] in the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) when confronted by Russell.]]

==Kimber Custom TLE II==
SWAT officers in "Two Gangs" (S1E05) and "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E06) carry what appear to be [[Kimber Custom TLE II]] pistols (the sidearm of all LAPD SWAT officers) in their holsters.
[[Image:KimberCustomTLEII SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Kimber Custom TLE II with Surefire 310R weaponlight - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthlandKimber.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers storm the body shop in "What Makes Sammy Run?" with their Kimber TLEs holstered.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated M1911A1 and a gold-plated Browning High Power are found in Season 2.]]

==Unknown Handguns==

===Skylar's Compact Handgun===
In "Mozambique" (S1E02) Skylar carries an unknown compact pistol which he fires at Chickie before dropping it in an alley.
[[Image:SouthlandUnknownCompact.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skylar fires his pistol at Chickie.]]

===The Shop Owner's Handgun===
In "Mozambique" (S1E02) the owner of a convenience store holds an unknown pistol on a would-be robber. It appears to have a stainless or nickel finish with black grips.
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ben spots the shop owner holding his gun on the robber.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Ben storms in the shop owner continues to hold his gun on the robber.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The shop owner drops his weapon when confronted by Ben.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
Several LAPD officers are seen using [[Remington 870]] shotguns, once seen equipped with tactical lights in episode 1. They are often seen in the shotgun racks of the police cars. This is the standard shotgun for all LAPD personnel. Detective Clarke notably uses one loaded with beanbag ammo in episode 2. Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) also carries one during a raid.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Riot - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthLand_Remington_001a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Officer Cooper carries the Remington in the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble".]]
[[Image:SouthLand_Remington_002a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooper takes out the Remington 870 loaded with beanbag ammo.]]
[[Image:Southl822.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) with the Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Southl824.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Adams with the Remington.]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Winchester Model 1300 "Defender"==
Detective Adams keeps a [[Winchester Model 1200/1300|Winchester Model 1300 "Defender"]] in a safe in her home. She uses it to shoot the gang members trying to kill a witness in her home in Season 1's "Derailed" (S01E07). It is identified as a Winchester by the magazine cap.
[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Def.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Winchester Model 1300 "Defender" - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Southland_Defender_001a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07), Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) preparing to shoot the intruders with her Winchester Model 1300.]]

==Benelli M3 Super 90==
At least one SWAT officer uses a [[Benelli M3 Super 90]] in episode 12. It has a weaponlight, and spare shell holders.
[[Image:Benelli_m3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Benelli M3 Super 90]] with pistol grip stock - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthL 312.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Assault Rifles=
==M4 Carbine==
LAPD SWAT officers are armed with [[M4 Carbine]]s during the raid on a gang member's arms dealing warehouse in Season 1's "Two Gangs" (S01E05). The gang's warehouse is also seen stocked with M4's. The SWAT officers' M4's are equipped with SureFire tactical lights and Aimpoint red dot sights. They are seen again the hands of SWAT officers in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S02E06).
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 320.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:M4 SWAT-1-A.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 Carbine]]
[[Image:SouthL 322.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==AKM==
Officer Dewey ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[AK-47|AKM]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Non-Gun AK-47]]
[[Image:Southl820.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Dewey ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[AK-47|AKM]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]

==Fake (Non-Gun) AK-47==
Timmy Davis uses a [[Non_Guns#AK47|Non-Gun AK-47]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).
[[Image:Ng machinegun AK47 allwood.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Non-Gun AK-47]]
[[Image:Southl820.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Timmy Davis and Dewey fire their AKs.]]

==AKMS==
[[Image:SouthL 401.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==M16A2==
In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with a ACOG scope.
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 12002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with a ACOG scope.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==MAC-10==
A gang member can be seen with a [[MAC-10]] as he flees Detective Adams' house in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 309.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gang member can be seen with a [[MAC-10]] as he flees Detective Adams' house in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).]]

==TEC-9==
A [[TEC-9]] is seen next to slain bank robber.
[[Image:SouthL 400.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Several SWAT officers use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]s in episode 12. They are fitted with weapon light forends.
[[Image:SWATMP5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 w/ Surefire tactical light - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 316.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
==M60E3==
Officer Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03). When asked how he could own a class-3 firearm, Timmy Davis says the props guy converted it from a semi automatic to fully automatic.
[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M60E3 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Southland_M60E3_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Dewey holds the M60E3 at the home of actor Timmy Davis ([[Tom Sizemore]]) in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]

==FN MAG ==
An [[FN MAG]] (most likely a substitute for the M240 machine gun) is briefly seen during the raid on a gang leader's residence in Season 1's "Two Gangs" (S01E05).
[[Image:FNMAG58.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 320.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An FN MAG (note the carry handle) is seen in the foreground as police raid a gang leader's home.]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Southland

2011-09-10T21:46:25Z

TheDon: /* Beretta 92FS */

[[Image:Poster southland.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Southland'' (2009-)]]

''Southland'' is a police drama from executive producer John Wells (''[[The West Wing]]'') that follows the lives of several police officers within the ranks of the Los Angeles Police Department. The show originally ran for 1 season on NBC, and currently is airing new episodes on the TNT Network.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the series ''Southland'':'''

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=Handguns=
==Beretta 92FS==
Several LAPD officers and detectives carry the [[Beretta 92FS]] as their sidearm, including Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]), Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]), Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]), Officer Bill "Dewey" Dudek ([[C. Thomas Howell]]), Detective Russell Clarke ([[Tom Everett Scott]]), and a number of other officers. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. Also used by at least one of the sheriff's deputies in S1E04 "Salley in the Alley." This weapon is also on the Sheriff's Department approved carry list. One of the Latino hitmen in the first few episodes of Season 2 also uses a Beretta.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm]]
[[Image:Southl806.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Russell Clarke ([[Tom Everett Scott]]) draws his Beretta on a cornered suspect.]]
[[Image:SouthLand_BerettaM92_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detectives Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) and Detective Nate Moretta ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) enter a liquor store with their Berettas drawn.]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Clarke and a sheriff's deputy on the right are seen with their Beretta's drawn.]]
[[Image:SouthL 325.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Daniel "Sal" Salinger ([[Michael McGrady]]) holds his recovered Beretta sidearm.]]

==Taurus PT99==
Two gang members use [[Taurus PT99]] pistols in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).

[[Image:MindPt99.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Older-model Taurus PT99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the Taurus in "Derailed".]]
[[Image:SouthL 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangmember threatens a witness with the Taurus in "Derailed".]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] (as evidenced by its double stack frame) as his duty sidearm. This weapon is on the LAPD approved carry list. In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range and later having to perform a "failure drill" on a gunman (double tap to the chest and one to the head)
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer John Cooper ([[Michael Cudlitz]]) draws his S&W in the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble".]]
[[Image:SouthL 334.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cooper holds the S&W as he and Sherman make a massive discovery in Season 2.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 3's "Failure Drill", Adams is seen firing her S&W on the range and then having to perform a "failure drill" on a gunman (double tap to the chest and one to the head).]]

==Glock 22==
Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) carries a [[Glock 22]] as his sidearm. This weapon is standard issue to all LAPD probationary officers. Upon completion of probation, they may choose to switch to another weapon on the approved carry list, or they can stay with the Glock. Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) also uses a Glock 22 as her sidearm, although her weapon is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light. Detective Ray Suarez ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) can also be seen using a Glock 22 in episode 11.
[[Image:Glock22.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 22 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:SouthL008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), Officer Ben Sherman ([[Ben McKenzie]]) uses a [[Glock 22]] to take down a suspect. This appears to be a [[Non Gun]].]]
[[Image:SouthL 317.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sherman draws his Glock while on a movie set.]]
[[Image:Southl813.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) draws her Glock 22, which is fitted with a Surefire X-300 tactical light.]]
[[Image:SouthL 327.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie draws her Glock as she responds to a disturbance.]]
[[Image:SouthL 330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie and Sherman with their Glock's drawn as they approach a car.]]
[[Image:SouthlandG22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ben fires his Glock 22 on the range. If the photo is enlarged to full size, the '22' engraved on the slide is visible.]]
[[Image:SouthL 12003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Rodrigo Morales fires his Glock 22 on the range.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP (Two-tone)==
A gang member uses a two tone [[Heckler & Koch USP]] to shoot a non-gang affiliated black kid in the pilot (S1E01 "Unknown Trouble").
[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Two-tone Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthL010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gang member uses a two tone [[Heckler & Koch USP]] to shoot a non-gang affiliated black kid. ]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==
One of the Sheriff's deputies in S1E04 "Salley in the Alley" is seen carrying a [[Heckler & Koch USP]]. The correct model would be the .45 ACP version, as that is the only USP on the Sheriff's Department approved carry list.
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sheriff's deputy in the middle carries the USP.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), a Hispanic gang member uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] in a shooting. The same gang member uses it to shoot Dewey later on in the episode. In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie and John arrest a man on the street for possession of a concealed handgun. The S&W Model 60 is one of the handguns Chickie confiscates from the suspect.
[[Image:Smith wesson 60.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Southland_SW60_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble" (S1E01), a gang member opens fire with the S&W Model 60.]]
[[Image:Southl803.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The handcuffed gang member opens fire on Dewey with the S&W.]]
[[Image:SouthL 341.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie finds the S&W Model 60 while searching a man on the street.]]

==Jericho 941==
A third gang member uses a [[Jericho 941]] in the shooting in the pilot episode.
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941 - 9mm]]
[[Image:SouthL009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A third gang member uses a [[Jericho 941]] in the shooting in the pilot episode.]]

==Sphinx AT380==
A gang member is seen throwing a [[Sphinx AT380 Pistol]] into the MacArthur Park lake in "Butch and Sundance" (S2E02).
[[Image:Sphinx-AT380.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sphinx AT380 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:South453.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A diver recovers the [[Sphinx AT380 Pistol]] from the bottom of the MacArthur Park lake.]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] as her duty gun. She gives it to the witness she is protecting in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).
[[Image:3913.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 301.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) gives her [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] to the witness she is protecting in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).]]

==Smith & Wesson 6906==
Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) uses an early model [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] (notice low, non-novak rear sights, as well as the "hooked" trigger guard) as her off-duty gun, which she notably uses to arrest the Canyon Rapist in Season 2's "Maximum Deployment" (S2E06).
[[Image:S&W6906 TUS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] pistol - 9x19mm. This is the screen used S&W 6906 in the movie [[The Usual Suspects]].]]
[[Image:SouthL 333.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Chickie Brown ([[Arija Bareikis]]) uses an early model [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] while apprehending the Canyon Rapist in Season 2's "Maximum Deployment" (S2E06).]]

==Raven Arms MP-25==
A woman pulls what appears to be a [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol on actor Timmy Davis ([[Tom Sizemore]]) in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03). One is also seen in the intro sequence.
[[Image:RavenMP25.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Raven Arms MP25 - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:Southl811.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A woman pulls a [[Raven Arms MP-25]] compact pistol on actor Timmy Davis in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]
[[Image:SouthlandRaven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangster with a Raven Arms MP-25 in the intro.]]

==Smith & Wesson 61 Escort==
In Season 2's "U-Boat" (S2E03), Chickie misses a [[Smith & Wesson 61 Escort]] in a street thug's ankle holster. Cooper finds it during a more thorough pat-down.
[[Image:S&W61Escort.jpg|thumb|none|300px|S&W 61 Escort - .22 Long Rifle]]
[[Image:SouthL 342.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"You missed this one." Cooper finds the pistol after a more thorough pat-down search.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chickie with the S&W Escort.]]

==Desert Eagle Mark XIX==
A gold-plated [[Desert Eagle|Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] can be seen on the bed in the house of some Latino hitmen in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05).
[[Image:DesertGold44.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Gold plated Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated [[Desert Eagle|Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] can be seen on the bed in the house of some Latino hitmen. Note the fluted barrel, indicating that this is a .44 Magnum model.]]

==Desert Eagle (Non Gun)==
Among Timmy Davis's other weapons is a [[Non_Guns#Desert_Eagle|Non Gun Desert Eagle]]. Seen in S1E03 "See the Woman."
[[Image:Ng pistol DE PN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Non Gun Desert Eagle]]
[[Image:SouthlandDE.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Desert Eagle, among other weapons.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
Detective Sammy Bryant ([[Shawn Hatosy]]) confiscates a [[Colt M1911A1]] from a teenager in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05). A cartel hitman uses a gold plated M1911A1 in Season 2's "Phase Three" (S2E01) which is seen again (along with another identical 1911) in episode 5.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthL 339.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Colt M1911A1]] is confiscated from a teenager in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E05).]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Airsoft Replica of a Springfield Armory M1911-A1.]]
[[Image:South640A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A cartel hitman uses a gold plated M1911A1 in Season 2's "Phase Three" (S2E01).]]
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated M1911A1 and a gold-plated Browning High Power are found in Season 2.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
In Season 3's "Code 4" (S3E04), Ben finds a [[Colt Detective Special]] revolver in a restaurant owner's possession.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 404.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
The grieving father in "The Runner" (S2E04) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] when he goes to kill his daughter's murderer. Detectives Adams and Suarez confiscate it from him when he is arrested.
[[Image:S&WModel15.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:SouthL 328.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams confiscates the father's Smith & Wesson Model 15.]]
[[Image:SouthS&W15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Suarez with the S&W Model 15 after confiscating and clearing it. This shot gives a better view of the lack of ejector rod shroud, one of the few distinguishing features between the Model 15 and 19.]]

==SIG Sauer P228==
In the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) one of Marta's bodyguards pulls a [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG Sauer P228]] on Marquis. Later in the episode, one of the gangsters sent to Lydia's house uses a nickel P228. He fires a shot Lydia, but misses and is subsequently killed. Another is briefly seen used by one Marta's men to execute a hitman at the beginning of the episode.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG Sauer P228 - 9mmx19.]]
[[Image:SouthlandSig2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bodyguard on the left draws his P228.]]
[[Image:P228Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickel P228 - 9mmx19.]]
[[Image:SouthlandP228.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gangster drops his SIG after being killed.]]

==Makarov PM==
In Season 2's "The Runner" (S2E04), a murder suspect keeps a [[Makarov PM]] pistol in his baby brother's stroller. He tosses the gun while being chased by Sammy and Nate, and the gun discharges when it hits the ground.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM - 9x18mm]]
[[Image:SouthMak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The suspect's Makarov PM discharges as it hits the ground.]]

==Walther PPK (Non Gun)==
Sal's neighbor ([[Rapheal Sbarge]]) uses a [[Non_Guns#Walther_PPK|Non Gun Walther PPK]] in the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) when confronted by Russell.
[[Image:Ng pistol PPK SN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 311.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sal's neighbor ([[Rapheal Sbarge]]) uses a [[Non_Guns#Walther_PPK|Non Gun Walther PPK]] in the Season 1 finale "Derailed" (S1E07) when confronted by Russell.]]

==Kimber Custom TLE II==
SWAT officers in "Two Gangs" (S1E05) and "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S2E06) carry what appear to be [[Kimber Custom TLE II]] pistols (the sidearm of all LAPD SWAT officers) in their holsters.
[[Image:KimberCustomTLEII SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Kimber Custom TLE II with Surefire 310R weaponlight - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SouthlandKimber.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers storm the body shop in "What Makes Sammy Run?" with their Kimber TLEs holstered.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
[[Image:SouthL 337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gold-plated M1911A1 and a gold-plated Browning High Power are found in Season 2.]]

==Unknown Handguns==

===Skylar's Compact Handgun===
In "Mozambique" (S1E02) Skylar carries an unknown compact pistol which he fires at Chickie before dropping it in an alley.
[[Image:SouthlandUnknownCompact.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skylar fires his pistol at Chickie.]]

===The Shop Owner's Handgun===
In "Mozambique" (S1E02) the owner of a convenience store holds an unknown pistol on a would-be robber. It appears to have a stainless or nickel finish with black grips.
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ben spots the shop owner holding his gun on the robber.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Ben storms in the shop owner continues to hold his gun on the robber.]]
[[Image:SouthlandUnknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The shop owner drops his weapon when confronted by Ben.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
Several LAPD officers are seen using [[Remington 870]] shotguns, once seen equipped with tactical lights in episode 1. They are often seen in the shotgun racks of the police cars. This is the standard shotgun for all LAPD personnel. Detective Clarke notably uses one loaded with beanbag ammo in episode 2. Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) also carries one during a raid.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Riot - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthLand_Remington_001a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Officer Cooper carries the Remington in the pilot episode "Unknown Trouble".]]
[[Image:SouthLand_Remington_002a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooper takes out the Remington 870 loaded with beanbag ammo.]]
[[Image:Southl822.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) with the Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Southl824.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Adams with the Remington.]]
[[Image:Southl825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Winchester Model 1300 "Defender"==
Detective Adams keeps a [[Winchester Model 1200/1300|Winchester Model 1300 "Defender"]] in a safe in her home. She uses it to shoot the gang members trying to kill a witness in her home in Season 1's "Derailed" (S01E07). It is identified as a Winchester by the magazine cap.
[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Def.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Winchester Model 1300 "Defender" - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Southland_Defender_001a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07), Detective Adams ([[Regina King]]) preparing to shoot the intruders with her Winchester Model 1300.]]

==Benelli M3 Super 90==
At least one SWAT officer uses a [[Benelli M3 Super 90]] in episode 12. It has a weaponlight, and spare shell holders.
[[Image:Benelli_m3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Benelli M3 Super 90]] with pistol grip stock - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:SouthL 312.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Assault Rifles=
==M4 Carbine==
LAPD SWAT officers are armed with [[M4 Carbine]]s during the raid on a gang member's arms dealing warehouse in Season 1's "Two Gangs" (S01E05). The gang's warehouse is also seen stocked with M4's. The SWAT officers' M4's are equipped with SureFire tactical lights and Aimpoint red dot sights. They are seen again the hands of SWAT officers in Season 2's "What Makes Sammy Run?" (S02E06).
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 320.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:M4 SWAT-1-A.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 Carbine]]
[[Image:SouthL 322.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==AKM==
Officer Dewey ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[AK-47|AKM]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Non-Gun AK-47]]
[[Image:Southl820.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Dewey ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[AK-47|AKM]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]

==Fake (Non-Gun) AK-47==
Timmy Davis uses a [[Non_Guns#AK47|Non-Gun AK-47]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).
[[Image:Ng machinegun AK47 allwood.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Non-Gun AK-47]]
[[Image:Southl820.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Timmy Davis and Dewey fire their AKs.]]

==AKMS==
[[Image:SouthL 401.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==M16A2==
In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with a ACOG scope.
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 12002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Season 3's "Failure Drill" (S3E09), a gunman is seen shooting up a building with an [[M16A2]] fitted with a ACOG scope.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==MAC-10==
A gang member can be seen with a [[MAC-10]] as he flees Detective Adams' house in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 309.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gang member can be seen with a [[MAC-10]] as he flees Detective Adams' house in Season 1's "Derailed" (S1E07).]]

==TEC-9==
A [[TEC-9]] is seen next to slain bank robber.
[[Image:SouthL 400.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Several SWAT officers use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]s in episode 12. They are fitted with weapon light forends.
[[Image:SWATMP5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 w/ Surefire tactical light - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SouthL 316.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
==M60E3==
Officer Dewey ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses an [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3]] in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03). When asked how he could own a class-3 firearm, Timmy Davis says the props guy converted it from a semi automatic to fully automatic.
[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M60E3 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Southland_M60E3_001a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Dewey holds the M60E3 at the home of actor Timmy Davis ([[Tom Sizemore]]) in Season 1's "See the Woman" (S1E03).]]

==FN MAG ==
An [[FN MAG]] (most likely a substitute for the M240 machine gun) is briefly seen during the raid on a gang leader's residence in Season 1's "Two Gangs" (S01E05).
[[Image:FNMAG58.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SouthL 320.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An FN MAG (note the carry handle) is seen in the foreground as police raid a gang leader's home.]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Ruger Security Six

2011-08-20T17:24:10Z

TheDon: /* Speed Six */

[[Image:Ruger Sec 6 1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Ruger Security Six .357 Magnum, .38 Special (note adjustable rear sights). Standard barrel lengths offered were 2.75, 4, and 6 inches.]]
[[Image:Ruger Sec 6.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Ruger Security Six. Stainless steel, 4" barrel.]]

[[Image:RugerSecuritySixSnub.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Ruger Security Six with 2.75" barrel and Hogue Rubber Grips - Stainless Steel .357 Magnum]]

The Ruger Security Six, Service Six and Speed Six revolvers were the company's flagship double action revolver line. They were introduced in 1968 and ceased production in 1987 to make way for Ruger's newer line of handguns, the SP101, the GP100/101 and the Redhawk.

'''The Ruger Security Six and variants can be seen in the following films and television series used by the following actors:'''

== Security Six ==
The Ruger Security Six was a .357 Magnum/.38 Special revolver introduced in 1968. It had adjustable rear sights and was designed as Ruger's flagship offering for the double action revolver market. They were very popular because they were well built and were competitively priced as compared to similar Colt or Smith & Wesson models. The First Security Six Revolvers were offered in Cobalt Blued finish. Starting in 1975, Ruger offered the Security Six in a stainless Steel version. Production ceased in 1987. The Security Six was offered in .357 Magnum with some early production guns chambered for .38 special only.
=== Film ===

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| [[Planet Terror]] || [[Tom Savini]] || Deputy Tolo || With stainless steel finish || 2007
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| [[Planet Terror]] || [[Freddy Rodriguez]] || El Wray || With stainless steel finish || 2007
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| [[License To Kill]] || [[Everett McGill]] || Ed Killifer || With stainless steel finish || 1989
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| [[Carlito's Way]] || || Police || || 1993
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| [[Terminator, The|The Terminator]] || [[Paul Winfield]] || Lt. Traxler || With 2.75" barrel || 1984
|-
| [[Terminator, The|The Terminator]] || [[Michael Biehn]] || Kyle Reese || With 2.75" barrel || 1984
|-
| [[Terminator, The|The Terminator]] || [[Linda Hamilton]] || Sarah Connor || With 2.75" barrel || 1984
|-
| [[Terminator, The|The Terminator]] || [[Linda Hamilton]] || Sarah Connor || With stainless steel finish || 1984
|-
| [[Mickey Blue Eyes]] || [[James Caan]] || Frank Vitale || With 2.75" barrel, stainless steel finish, and Hogue rubber grips || 1999
|-
|}

 

== Service Six ==
[[Image:Ruger Pol Serv 6.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Ruger Service Six - .357 Magnum]]
In 1972 the "Economy Version" of the Security Six was introduced - the 'Service Six'. The revolver was also called the "Police Service Six" and had simple fixed sights (which knocked the price down considerably). This less expensive version was designed to appeal to the Police Duty revolver market (with limited budgets). The Service Six was offered in .357 Magnum, .38 Special, and 9x19mm. The Service Six had a very clever cylinder ring that allowed loading of the rimless 9mm rounds without full or half moon clips. Some of the police models were dedicated .38 special only (as some departments had not approved of the .357 magnum for duty carry). The barrel lengths offered were 2, 2.75, 3, and 4 inches. Production ended in 1987.
===Film===

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|-
| [[Natural Born Killers]] || || Cop on TV || With stainless steel finish || 1994
|-
| [[Carlito's Way: Rise to Power]] || [[Sean "P. Diddy" Combs]] || "Hollywood Nicky" || With stainless steel finish || 2005
|-
| [[UHF]] || || Thug || || 1989
|-
|}

 

== Speed Six ==
[[Image:Ruger_Speed_6.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Ruger Speed Six with blued finish and 2.75-inch barrel .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Ruger gs32n.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Ruger Speed Six with stainless steel finish and 2.75-inch barrel .357 Magnum]]
Around the same time as the Service Six, Ruger introduce the Speed Six, which was simply the Service Six frame with a shorter round butt. The shorter barreled versions were supposed to serve as backup guns and round butt revolvers were well regarded when worn in a discrete shoulder rig or back holster. The Speed Six was offered in .357 Magnum, .38 Special, 9x19mm and .38 S&W for export to the U.K. and India. The barrel lengths offered were 2, 2.75, 3, and 4 inches. Production ended in 1987.
===Film===

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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Blood In, Blood Out]] || || Thug || || 1993
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| [[Out for Justice]] || || Henchman || || 1991
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| [[Carlito's Way: Rise to Power]] || [[Nelson Vasquez]] || Manny Sanchez || || 2005
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| [[American Dragons]] || [[Michael Biehn]] || Det. Tony Luca || || 1998
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| [[13]] || various || players || blued || 2010
|-
|}

=== Television ===

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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "Fortunate Son" || [[Michael Imperioli]] || Christopher Moltisanti || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "Remember When" || [[James Gandolfini]] || Tony Soprano || || 1999 - 2007
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| [[Sanctuary]] / "Trail of Blood" || || || Blued finish with 2" barrel || 2008 - ????
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|}

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Revolver]]

Talk:Grand Theft Auto IV

2011-08-10T15:56:43Z

TheDon: /* Glock issue */

- Just a quick message from the creator, thanks for updating and correcting the article. It looks professional now. Thanks again.

== Colt M4A1 ==

''Total BS, that's got to be a M468/REC7, model design is nothing close to an M4A1''
(comment placed here so as to not clutter up the main article)

:Hi. I've looked at M468 and the REC7, and while, yes, they do bear some resemblance, there are also many differences which distinguish it to not be the weapon used in GTA IV. For example, the foregrip of the M468 is vastly different from the in-game weapon which is cylindrical, much like a stock M4, and does not have the R.I.S foregrip which features on the M468 or REC7. Another difference is that of the front sight, which is upright and fixed, found on the game's version of the weapon (again, like the M4A1) does not feature on either the M468 or REC7. Furthermore, neither the M468 or REC7 have a front sling hoop and the M468 has a shorter barrel than the game's weapon. [[User:Chef Brian|'''''Chef Brian''''']] [[User talk:Chef Brian|Vrooom]] 20:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

::This gun can't be an M468 or a 416 because both those guns have flip up sights. This rifle in game has the standard front sights of an M4. It just has the carrying handle taken off and replaced with an H&K style rear sight. Get pics of a these guns together on one screen and you can really tell the difference. Hell, I'll do it myself

[[Image:Hk416-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch HK416 with 10 inch barrel, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:BarettM468.gif|thumb|none|500px|Barrett M468 6.8 caliber.]]

Now comparing, seeing which one fits the one Niko is using.

[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The M4A1 Carbine]]

Definitely a M4A1 Carbine, The only thing that makes even an argument for it being a 416 is the absence of the carry handle and rear site.
Another thing is the cylindrical AR-15 foregrips (they arent rail covers) I have yet to see a 416 with a cylindrical foregrip. -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
I DON'T THINK SO THE 416 HAS FLIP UP SIGHTS.. ONLY THE M468 DOES. ANYWAY, ITS' SIMPLY AN M4A1 WITH CARRYING HANDLE REMOVED AND DIFFERENT SIGHT
:^Stop writing in all capitals please. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Parts_CA_P118M_lg.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The sight on the M4A1 in game]]
Here is the sight on the M4. It is not a 416.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== Lost and Damned Compensated Pistol ==
Definitely a CZ-75 style pistol,looks nothing like a BHP, besides the slide is not tall enough to be a Browning Hi-Power.
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|350px|CZ-75 9mm]]
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power 9mm]]
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Shot from the game]]

== HK XM320 ==

From the picture on the official site it looks like the grenade launcher is the XM320's predecessor the HK69. You can tell from where the stock connects to the frame. But we shall see when the game is released if the breach opens to the side or top. It might be a combination gun.

==Lost and Damned Weapons==

Anyone got any new, good pictures of the new weapons from the Lost and Damned? If you have any, post them.

==Glock 17==

It would actually make sense that the regular pistol in the game was a Glock 22. As someone pointed out, the CZ-75, a 9mm pistol, isn't as powerful as the Glock. In addition, we should call it a Glock 22 based on appearance, not specifications. For instance, previous GTA games used a Colt 1911 as the main pistol, despite it having an unrealistic 17 round magazine. Nonetheless, it was a Colt 1911, just like this is clearly a Glock 22. Hey if you get a close up of the Glock in game it says 22 on the side making it a Glock 22.

The Glock 22 '''does''' accept an optional 17 round magazine.

Just like to point out that whoever changed the Glock 22 to a Glock 17 is a dumbass and I'm changing it back. - PersonOfInterest

How am I a dumb ass? I'm going to change it right back.

Because you're completely ignoring established precedent. Stop being a dumbass. - PersonOfInterest

Well the "established precedent" is fucked up.

''Established precedent'' on this site is to identify guns by '''visual''' standards. The texture does indeed have a "22" on the slide, so therefor that's what we go by. So it's a 22, despite the 17 round mag. Please stop the flaming, PersonOfInterest. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The great irony of all this is that the NYPD actually uses the Glock 19. Isn't life funny sometimes? - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

The even greater irony is this is Liberty City is a fictional city only based off of New York, therefor, whatever the real world city police force use does not apply to the fictional city police force. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 17:51, 11 April 2011 (CDT)

==AK-47==

Could someone get a good screenshot of the AK-47 in-game and post it.
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|350px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]
:There you go. [[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]

Thanks for the AK-47 screenshot. It looks really good. Now, does anyone have ANY screenshots from the Lost and Damned part of the game? It'd be really cool to see some of the sawn off shotgun and the grenade launcher. I really wanna see what the new guns look like before I download The Lost and The Damned.

Does anyone have any pictures of the Desert Eagle in gameplay? If you have or get any, please post them.

== About the Ithaca 37 ==
The gun in game doesnt look very much like a stakeout at all. you shouldn't base it off of some airsoft gun. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's probably what the developers did.-protoAuthor
:::Then I can say that's probably what they didn't do just as easily --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, unless you know of another gun that looks like the in-game gun, it really IS most likely what the developers did, despite what you think. I mean, just look at the two photos. They are almost exactly the same. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
the gun is side ejecting, so it can't be an ithica. ithicas eject from the bottom.

:::::In Far Cry 2, the Ithaca 37 ejects from side too.

::::::and so it does in a fuckton of other games so thats not really an issue.

== AK vs M4 ==

Okay, so in GTA IV you've got the AK-47 and M4A1 to choose from, but which is best? Well, the AK seems to have more power, which makes sense, and the M4 is more accurate, which again makes sense. But really, which is a better rifle to use overall?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

::I think the M4 has a better rate of fire but i'm not sure.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks to whoever got those kick-ass screenshots of the snipers and desert eagle and the Micro-Uzi. Those shots are pretty damn awesome.

::::No problem :-) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Believe it or not, the AK-47 and the M4A1 do the same damage in SP, and the M4A1 does more in multiplayer. (I know for sure because I've seen the values) Meanwhile, the M4A1 can shoot farther than the AK, which is obviously inaccurate. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 11:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Inaccurate?! you say a 5.56 mm with AR mechanic has a shorter engage range then a russian-made weapon intended to mass-production? the M4 shoots circa 600 meters in real life, and it's a carbine. The M16 hits 800. the ak doesn't hit anything over 150 meters. anyway, I saw values too, and they say are identical, but they're not. The AK has a bit more stopping power, and the M4 is more accurate, has lighter recoil and more action range.

I would go for the M4 later in the game.

The M4 isn't meant or even used for 600 yards. Thats the M16, the M4 is good for about 400.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

==WTF?==
:I can't seem to get a copy of this game that doesn't freeze up sometimes. I've tried 5 different copies on 2 different 360's and they all froze at some point. I even went and tracked down a brand new copy and it still froze. I'm getting sick and tired of having to do missions over because the freezes before I can save-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 07:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hm. I know there were freezing issues around the launch of the PS3 version due to network load problems, but those were cleared up. Is it possible both the 360s were having disc or hard drive issues? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. one was a brand new Elite and the other one was in good condition-S&Wshooter

===Heckler & Koch MP5A3===

One of the screenshots from the beta version of the game depict Niko holding a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with it's stock extended. However, this weapon was removed from the final version of the game, and replaced by the [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] .
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with "tropical" (wide) forearm - 9x19mm with stock extended]]
[[Image:gta4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko holds a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in the beta version of the game.]]

::MP5A3 should be removed -it is not a "non player weapon" it is a weapon that is not even in the game so it is irrelevant. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 01:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree. These weapons aren't counted in any of the other GTA games, so why should we start here? I also think putting in the other weapons that are only in the artwork is irrelevant as well. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

actualy it is in the game in the loading seqwince of the game it shows a picture of to police officers one with a SPAS-12 and another with a MP-5 --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 18:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gay Tony weapons ==

on the official website it appears there will also be an Automag. the AA12 is ejecting green shotgun shells in the trailer, and is shown to be firing Frag12 rounds in the Weazel News special on gun crime in Liberty City.

ok just a complete list for people not looking at the main page for some reason? (feel free to correct it)
.44 AMT AUTOMAG
auto assault 12 shotgun (explosive rounds avalible too that are unrealistic)
FN P90 with suppressor
gold plated UZI
M249 SAW
and a DSR-1

How are exploding shotgun shells unrealistic? the company that makes the AA12 makes them, they're called FRAG12 rounds.

ok let me clear that up their realistic but in game their not i mean its makes a dent the size of a person in the side door of a taxi but the taxi is relatively undamaged including the occupant and the explosions are litarly explosions about 4 ft in diameter

That sounds so awesome! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 15:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
:Trust me... it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

its is but just when noting it on this site i mean its unrealistic

In TBoGT, Green shells indicate explosive rounds, red are standard. And dispite what the article says, the "Advanced Sniper" does not fire explosive round - Primevil
:No, you're right, it doesn't. If that hasn't yet been removed, I'll do so now. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

My mistake. It does in fact fire explosive rounds, but they are only available in muliplayer.

Actually you can obtain exploding Sniper rounds but only Via cheat codes and here it is, courtesy of www.gta4.net
Explosive Sniper (NEW!)
Makes the sniper rifles fire explosive rounds. 486-555-2526 (TBOGT ONLY)

== Gay Tony FN P90 ==
Is the P90 in The Ballad of Gay Tony a FN PS90 converted to full-auto?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think so. The barrel on the PS90 is longer and thinner than the one in the game. My guess is it's a suppressor, but we won't find out until the game is released. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]

yea its a suppressor more of a "thock" sound than anything -scarecrow

It is a supressor, and it is not removeable, contrarey to the article - Primevil

An interesting note on this gun is that, even though Luis cannot use it for drive bys, in later Drug Wars missions his friends can be seen firing it one handed.--[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] 12:16, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

== old gun ==
what i don't understand is why the armourers or people who decide what guns go on the game chose such an out of date pistol. the AMC Automag had stopped prodution ages before the new millenium so why decide to put it in a modern day game, the gun would have been more appropriate for GTA Vice city or Vc Stories since they were set in the mid 80's.
:It's because the Automag looks like it could take a man's head off even if you miss-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 23:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I pride myself on trying to be clever, but I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a better response than that. -protoAuthor 00:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah the old adage of "I'm not a good shot but this shoots REALLY big bullets" (courtesy of Hellboy) if that were the case why not a S&W500? the biggest production handgun cartridge. though it only holds 5 shots which many would get angry over in a videogame.

:I'm guessing its because the Automag just looks cool. The S&W 500 just looks like a regular revolver. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
::Because it's the gun Charles Bronson used in Death Wish 3 to kill hundreds. And Clint Eastwood used in one of the Dirty Harry movies to kill even more hundreds. In other words, it's a badass pistol and deserves to be in the game.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

On a badass scale of 1 to 10, it hits 11. Need more be said? [[User:Mcguinness]]

:Bronson used a Wildey in Death Wish 3, not an Automag-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::Damm. I guess we now need a Wildey in this Game too so we can dual wield a Wildey and an Automag in each hand.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:That would be pretty bitchin'. The Wildey is a huge pistol, even to a guy like me (when I hold a S&W M500 it doesn't look that big), so duel wielding would probably be a bad idea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Old or not, this thing is unreal when shooting through windshields. Most other guns in-game (including the M4 and AK) take a few shots to punch through, but the Auto Mag can do it in one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

:That sounds awesome! I gotta get this game. :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

::For sure. The gunfights in it are unreal, one bank heist mission clearly takes influence from the shootout scene in Heat, and it's arguably just as intense. Also, in what other game can you pull off crazy shit like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ73zqDaXsk this]? --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 03:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Definite five stars on that one. And on a side note, the improved driving physics (especially with sports cars) really make a lot of difference with maneuvers like the reverse 180s you pulled off there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

==Glock issue==

I believe we should go back to calling the in-game Glock a 17 because it is described as "9mm" in the weapons shops and Little Jacob's car, plus when Johnny calls Jim (TLAD only) for a weapon, he calls the Glock a "9mm". Now, it has been previously mentioned that it should be called a 22 due to the markings, but I think we should go by specifications. If we go by appearances, for example, that means non-Russian made AK-47s (AIMS, Type 56, MpiKM, Zastava M70, etc.) would simply be "AK-47s" as in the ones made in Izhmesh and Tula, and all AR-15 knockoffs would have to be classified as "M16"s or "M4"s rather than Bushmasters, DPMS, Diemaco C7/C8, Rock River Arms, etc. -KLR
:Ok, well if we went on specifications, we wouldn't be able to identify half the weapons in previous GTA games. The 1911s, the M16 w/ 60 round magazines, the over and under shotgun that functions like a pump. All of these would have to be changed if we went by specifications. RockStar obviously based the Glock in the game off of a Glock 22, it is just misidentified as a 9mm. This wouldn't be the first time a weapon was incorrectly referred to in a game. It's the same issue if a revolver fires 7 rounds, when its clearly a 6-shot. It's still the same gun, the makers just screwed up a bit. So we're not going to call this a Glock 17. This issue has been argued to death on several websites. It's based off of a Glock 22, therefore thats what it is, regardless of its "specification". -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

:A 7 shot revolver is a bad example. I have one and it's called a S&W 686+P-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::I mean a revolver that is clearly six rounds, like a Colt DS. Often times you'll see that it fired seven rounds in a movie, but it only holds six. This is a common error in movies, when the # of rounds fired doesn't meet the specifications. Like if the Colt DS fired seven rounds, that doesn't automatically mean its a S&W 686+P. See what I'm saying? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I discovered something sad while discussing this last week. While playing this game with a friend of mine, who considers himself a 'heavy' gamer (whatever the hell that means- i'm NOT a gamer), he referred to the in game glock as a 9mm (though he just said "9"). I corrected him, saying the glock 22 was a .40 caliber pistol. He look at me, and asks, "What the fucks a .40?". Going by this, might I suggest the develepors call it a 9mm because many gamers don't know what a .40 S&W is? Or is my friend just a bigger idiot than i've ever given him credit for?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 10:56, 10 August 2011 (CDT)

==removed weapon==

on one of the trailers of the lost & damned called meet the gang, find the video on youtube and if u pause at 0:17 theres a spas 12 look alike with an m4 buttstock. probably a removed weapon like the mp5a3 and being replaced by the sawn-off or street sweeper.

its not removed, its also just not a new weapon. its the regular semi auto shotgun with a new stock.

yea in my version all the "combat" shotguns in the vans and stores are the old ones but the one from the cheat codes are ones with an m4 stock. oh and its a mossenberg 590 not a spas -scarecrow

Its a Remington 1100 i believe, but it can also be found in certain places with the M4 stock. Only while Playing Lost and Damned though.

It's like that shotgun that Switek had in Miami Vice (the movie), it can be obtained in TLAD with the advanced gun cheat (486-555-0100)

No its the semi auto from the regular game with a different stock.

==Names==
The names they've chosen for the new weapons crack me up, they're generic to the point of nonsense. "''Assault'' SMG", "''Advanced'' MG", "''Advanced'' Sniper"...

There is only one machine gun, so why did they feel the need to add 'advanced' to the name? And it irritates me how people, gamers usually, refer to sniper rifles simply as "''snipers''", it's like saying "drivers" when you mean "vehicles". --[[Special:Contributions/219.90.213.180|219.90.213.180]] 10:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

==Behind Enemy Lines movie reference==

Did anyone else notice that in the very begginning of the game, Nikko looks and dresses like the Serbian sniper who tries to kill Owen Wilson in ''Behind Enemy Lines''? Nikko is also Serbian.- ArmoredMason619
:Never noticed, but you're right. They are similar in appearance. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::[http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c257/lostering/untitled10.jpg You're not the only one who noticed]. You can also buy a blue track top from the Russian shop that looks almost identical to the one worn by the sniper in that picture. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Awesome page ==

I júst want to say that the images look so cool,they make me think about a computer animated movie.Seriously,if you know anyone who hasnt heard about GTA ever,show him/her this article and ask if its a videogame or animated movie or else.Really,nice job on the pictures.

== Remington 1100 / 11-87 ==
The long barrel, long magazine tube, and the thing along the top of the barrel (I don't know what that's called) all jump out at you and scream "Remington 1100 TAC4". Those are very specific features of a very specific model. To say it's an 11-87 because of the length of the forearm and nothing else ignores A: the features that are only on the 1100 TAC4 and not on any other model, and B: the forearm doesn't even look like a proper Remington forearm. Thoughts? [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 1:53 PM, 2 April 2010

Shotguns aren't my specialty but I believe that thing on top of the barrel is called a "heat shield", that is you are refering to something on the barrel like that of the old Winchester Trench Gun. Am I right? --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 14:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not a heat shield. A heat shield is perforated sheet metal wrapped around the barrel. The thing I'm talking about, I can't remember what it's called, but it's function is to provide rigidity to the barrel. Revolvers have them too. - PersonOfInterest
:Ribbing? I agree it's a TAC4, this image matches it best. http://img22.imageshack.us/i/1100006.jpg/ - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Is that some kind of 12 gauge stripper clip? - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

==DLC is no longer XBOX360 Exclusive==
As title says, someone need to delete "Xbox360 exclusive" from line "Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content". I would do that if I could, but without account I can't.
:Done. Thanks for taking the time to mention it. :) --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 16:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

==AR-15?==

Anyone else notice that the "M4A1" in the game seems to have a barrel longer than 14.5 in., and that it "steps up" instead of stepping down?

== CZ 75 ==

Why did someone replace the picture of the lost & the damned cz 75? the first one suited it better.

Talk:Grand Theft Auto IV

2011-08-10T15:56:22Z

TheDon: /* Glock issue */

- Just a quick message from the creator, thanks for updating and correcting the article. It looks professional now. Thanks again.

== Colt M4A1 ==

''Total BS, that's got to be a M468/REC7, model design is nothing close to an M4A1''
(comment placed here so as to not clutter up the main article)

:Hi. I've looked at M468 and the REC7, and while, yes, they do bear some resemblance, there are also many differences which distinguish it to not be the weapon used in GTA IV. For example, the foregrip of the M468 is vastly different from the in-game weapon which is cylindrical, much like a stock M4, and does not have the R.I.S foregrip which features on the M468 or REC7. Another difference is that of the front sight, which is upright and fixed, found on the game's version of the weapon (again, like the M4A1) does not feature on either the M468 or REC7. Furthermore, neither the M468 or REC7 have a front sling hoop and the M468 has a shorter barrel than the game's weapon. [[User:Chef Brian|'''''Chef Brian''''']] [[User talk:Chef Brian|Vrooom]] 20:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

::This gun can't be an M468 or a 416 because both those guns have flip up sights. This rifle in game has the standard front sights of an M4. It just has the carrying handle taken off and replaced with an H&K style rear sight. Get pics of a these guns together on one screen and you can really tell the difference. Hell, I'll do it myself

[[Image:Hk416-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch HK416 with 10 inch barrel, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:BarettM468.gif|thumb|none|500px|Barrett M468 6.8 caliber.]]

Now comparing, seeing which one fits the one Niko is using.

[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The M4A1 Carbine]]

Definitely a M4A1 Carbine, The only thing that makes even an argument for it being a 416 is the absence of the carry handle and rear site.
Another thing is the cylindrical AR-15 foregrips (they arent rail covers) I have yet to see a 416 with a cylindrical foregrip. -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
I DON'T THINK SO THE 416 HAS FLIP UP SIGHTS.. ONLY THE M468 DOES. ANYWAY, ITS' SIMPLY AN M4A1 WITH CARRYING HANDLE REMOVED AND DIFFERENT SIGHT
:^Stop writing in all capitals please. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Parts_CA_P118M_lg.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The sight on the M4A1 in game]]
Here is the sight on the M4. It is not a 416.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== Lost and Damned Compensated Pistol ==
Definitely a CZ-75 style pistol,looks nothing like a BHP, besides the slide is not tall enough to be a Browning Hi-Power.
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|350px|CZ-75 9mm]]
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power 9mm]]
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Shot from the game]]

== HK XM320 ==

From the picture on the official site it looks like the grenade launcher is the XM320's predecessor the HK69. You can tell from where the stock connects to the frame. But we shall see when the game is released if the breach opens to the side or top. It might be a combination gun.

==Lost and Damned Weapons==

Anyone got any new, good pictures of the new weapons from the Lost and Damned? If you have any, post them.

==Glock 17==

It would actually make sense that the regular pistol in the game was a Glock 22. As someone pointed out, the CZ-75, a 9mm pistol, isn't as powerful as the Glock. In addition, we should call it a Glock 22 based on appearance, not specifications. For instance, previous GTA games used a Colt 1911 as the main pistol, despite it having an unrealistic 17 round magazine. Nonetheless, it was a Colt 1911, just like this is clearly a Glock 22. Hey if you get a close up of the Glock in game it says 22 on the side making it a Glock 22.

The Glock 22 '''does''' accept an optional 17 round magazine.

Just like to point out that whoever changed the Glock 22 to a Glock 17 is a dumbass and I'm changing it back. - PersonOfInterest

How am I a dumb ass? I'm going to change it right back.

Because you're completely ignoring established precedent. Stop being a dumbass. - PersonOfInterest

Well the "established precedent" is fucked up.

''Established precedent'' on this site is to identify guns by '''visual''' standards. The texture does indeed have a "22" on the slide, so therefor that's what we go by. So it's a 22, despite the 17 round mag. Please stop the flaming, PersonOfInterest. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The great irony of all this is that the NYPD actually uses the Glock 19. Isn't life funny sometimes? - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

The even greater irony is this is Liberty City is a fictional city only based off of New York, therefor, whatever the real world city police force use does not apply to the fictional city police force. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 17:51, 11 April 2011 (CDT)

==AK-47==

Could someone get a good screenshot of the AK-47 in-game and post it.
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|350px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]
:There you go. [[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]

Thanks for the AK-47 screenshot. It looks really good. Now, does anyone have ANY screenshots from the Lost and Damned part of the game? It'd be really cool to see some of the sawn off shotgun and the grenade launcher. I really wanna see what the new guns look like before I download The Lost and The Damned.

Does anyone have any pictures of the Desert Eagle in gameplay? If you have or get any, please post them.

== About the Ithaca 37 ==
The gun in game doesnt look very much like a stakeout at all. you shouldn't base it off of some airsoft gun. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's probably what the developers did.-protoAuthor
:::Then I can say that's probably what they didn't do just as easily --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, unless you know of another gun that looks like the in-game gun, it really IS most likely what the developers did, despite what you think. I mean, just look at the two photos. They are almost exactly the same. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
the gun is side ejecting, so it can't be an ithica. ithicas eject from the bottom.

:::::In Far Cry 2, the Ithaca 37 ejects from side too.

::::::and so it does in a fuckton of other games so thats not really an issue.

== AK vs M4 ==

Okay, so in GTA IV you've got the AK-47 and M4A1 to choose from, but which is best? Well, the AK seems to have more power, which makes sense, and the M4 is more accurate, which again makes sense. But really, which is a better rifle to use overall?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

::I think the M4 has a better rate of fire but i'm not sure.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks to whoever got those kick-ass screenshots of the snipers and desert eagle and the Micro-Uzi. Those shots are pretty damn awesome.

::::No problem :-) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Believe it or not, the AK-47 and the M4A1 do the same damage in SP, and the M4A1 does more in multiplayer. (I know for sure because I've seen the values) Meanwhile, the M4A1 can shoot farther than the AK, which is obviously inaccurate. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 11:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Inaccurate?! you say a 5.56 mm with AR mechanic has a shorter engage range then a russian-made weapon intended to mass-production? the M4 shoots circa 600 meters in real life, and it's a carbine. The M16 hits 800. the ak doesn't hit anything over 150 meters. anyway, I saw values too, and they say are identical, but they're not. The AK has a bit more stopping power, and the M4 is more accurate, has lighter recoil and more action range.

I would go for the M4 later in the game.

The M4 isn't meant or even used for 600 yards. Thats the M16, the M4 is good for about 400.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

==WTF?==
:I can't seem to get a copy of this game that doesn't freeze up sometimes. I've tried 5 different copies on 2 different 360's and they all froze at some point. I even went and tracked down a brand new copy and it still froze. I'm getting sick and tired of having to do missions over because the freezes before I can save-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 07:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hm. I know there were freezing issues around the launch of the PS3 version due to network load problems, but those were cleared up. Is it possible both the 360s were having disc or hard drive issues? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. one was a brand new Elite and the other one was in good condition-S&Wshooter

===Heckler & Koch MP5A3===

One of the screenshots from the beta version of the game depict Niko holding a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with it's stock extended. However, this weapon was removed from the final version of the game, and replaced by the [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] .
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with "tropical" (wide) forearm - 9x19mm with stock extended]]
[[Image:gta4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko holds a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in the beta version of the game.]]

::MP5A3 should be removed -it is not a "non player weapon" it is a weapon that is not even in the game so it is irrelevant. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 01:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree. These weapons aren't counted in any of the other GTA games, so why should we start here? I also think putting in the other weapons that are only in the artwork is irrelevant as well. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

actualy it is in the game in the loading seqwince of the game it shows a picture of to police officers one with a SPAS-12 and another with a MP-5 --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 18:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gay Tony weapons ==

on the official website it appears there will also be an Automag. the AA12 is ejecting green shotgun shells in the trailer, and is shown to be firing Frag12 rounds in the Weazel News special on gun crime in Liberty City.

ok just a complete list for people not looking at the main page for some reason? (feel free to correct it)
.44 AMT AUTOMAG
auto assault 12 shotgun (explosive rounds avalible too that are unrealistic)
FN P90 with suppressor
gold plated UZI
M249 SAW
and a DSR-1

How are exploding shotgun shells unrealistic? the company that makes the AA12 makes them, they're called FRAG12 rounds.

ok let me clear that up their realistic but in game their not i mean its makes a dent the size of a person in the side door of a taxi but the taxi is relatively undamaged including the occupant and the explosions are litarly explosions about 4 ft in diameter

That sounds so awesome! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 15:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
:Trust me... it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

its is but just when noting it on this site i mean its unrealistic

In TBoGT, Green shells indicate explosive rounds, red are standard. And dispite what the article says, the "Advanced Sniper" does not fire explosive round - Primevil
:No, you're right, it doesn't. If that hasn't yet been removed, I'll do so now. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

My mistake. It does in fact fire explosive rounds, but they are only available in muliplayer.

Actually you can obtain exploding Sniper rounds but only Via cheat codes and here it is, courtesy of www.gta4.net
Explosive Sniper (NEW!)
Makes the sniper rifles fire explosive rounds. 486-555-2526 (TBOGT ONLY)

== Gay Tony FN P90 ==
Is the P90 in The Ballad of Gay Tony a FN PS90 converted to full-auto?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think so. The barrel on the PS90 is longer and thinner than the one in the game. My guess is it's a suppressor, but we won't find out until the game is released. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]

yea its a suppressor more of a "thock" sound than anything -scarecrow

It is a supressor, and it is not removeable, contrarey to the article - Primevil

An interesting note on this gun is that, even though Luis cannot use it for drive bys, in later Drug Wars missions his friends can be seen firing it one handed.--[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] 12:16, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

== old gun ==
what i don't understand is why the armourers or people who decide what guns go on the game chose such an out of date pistol. the AMC Automag had stopped prodution ages before the new millenium so why decide to put it in a modern day game, the gun would have been more appropriate for GTA Vice city or Vc Stories since they were set in the mid 80's.
:It's because the Automag looks like it could take a man's head off even if you miss-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 23:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I pride myself on trying to be clever, but I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a better response than that. -protoAuthor 00:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah the old adage of "I'm not a good shot but this shoots REALLY big bullets" (courtesy of Hellboy) if that were the case why not a S&W500? the biggest production handgun cartridge. though it only holds 5 shots which many would get angry over in a videogame.

:I'm guessing its because the Automag just looks cool. The S&W 500 just looks like a regular revolver. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
::Because it's the gun Charles Bronson used in Death Wish 3 to kill hundreds. And Clint Eastwood used in one of the Dirty Harry movies to kill even more hundreds. In other words, it's a badass pistol and deserves to be in the game.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

On a badass scale of 1 to 10, it hits 11. Need more be said? [[User:Mcguinness]]

:Bronson used a Wildey in Death Wish 3, not an Automag-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::Damm. I guess we now need a Wildey in this Game too so we can dual wield a Wildey and an Automag in each hand.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:That would be pretty bitchin'. The Wildey is a huge pistol, even to a guy like me (when I hold a S&W M500 it doesn't look that big), so duel wielding would probably be a bad idea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Old or not, this thing is unreal when shooting through windshields. Most other guns in-game (including the M4 and AK) take a few shots to punch through, but the Auto Mag can do it in one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

:That sounds awesome! I gotta get this game. :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

::For sure. The gunfights in it are unreal, one bank heist mission clearly takes influence from the shootout scene in Heat, and it's arguably just as intense. Also, in what other game can you pull off crazy shit like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ73zqDaXsk this]? --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 03:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Definite five stars on that one. And on a side note, the improved driving physics (especially with sports cars) really make a lot of difference with maneuvers like the reverse 180s you pulled off there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

==Glock issue==

I believe we should go back to calling the in-game Glock a 17 because it is described as "9mm" in the weapons shops and Little Jacob's car, plus when Johnny calls Jim (TLAD only) for a weapon, he calls the Glock a "9mm". Now, it has been previously mentioned that it should be called a 22 due to the markings, but I think we should go by specifications. If we go by appearances, for example, that means non-Russian made AK-47s (AIMS, Type 56, MpiKM, Zastava M70, etc.) would simply be "AK-47s" as in the ones made in Izhmesh and Tula, and all AR-15 knockoffs would have to be classified as "M16"s or "M4"s rather than Bushmasters, DPMS, Diemaco C7/C8, Rock River Arms, etc. -KLR
:Ok, well if we went on specifications, we wouldn't be able to identify half the weapons in previous GTA games. The 1911s, the M16 w/ 60 round magazines, the over and under shotgun that functions like a pump. All of these would have to be changed if we went by specifications. RockStar obviously based the Glock in the game off of a Glock 22, it is just misidentified as a 9mm. This wouldn't be the first time a weapon was incorrectly referred to in a game. It's the same issue if a revolver fires 7 rounds, when its clearly a 6-shot. It's still the same gun, the makers just screwed up a bit. So we're not going to call this a Glock 17. This issue has been argued to death on several websites. It's based off of a Glock 22, therefore thats what it is, regardless of its "specification". -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

:A 7 shot revolver is a bad example. I have one and it's called a S&W 686+P-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::I mean a revolver that is clearly six rounds, like a Colt DS. Often times you'll see that it fired seven rounds in a movie, but it only holds six. This is a common error in movies, when the # of rounds fired doesn't meet the specifications. Like if the Colt DS fired seven rounds, that doesn't automatically mean its a S&W 686+P. See what I'm saying? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I discovered something sad while discussing this last week. While playing this game with a friend of mine, who considers himself a 'heavy' gamer (whatever the hell that means- i'm NOT a gamer), he referred to the in game glock as a 9mm (though he just said "9"). I corrected him, saying the glock 22 was a .40 caliber pistol. He look at me, and asks, "What the fucks a .40?". Going by this, might I suggest the develepors call it a 9mm because many gamers don't know what a .40 S&W is? Or is my friend just a bigger idiot than i've ever given him credit for?

==removed weapon==

on one of the trailers of the lost & damned called meet the gang, find the video on youtube and if u pause at 0:17 theres a spas 12 look alike with an m4 buttstock. probably a removed weapon like the mp5a3 and being replaced by the sawn-off or street sweeper.

its not removed, its also just not a new weapon. its the regular semi auto shotgun with a new stock.

yea in my version all the "combat" shotguns in the vans and stores are the old ones but the one from the cheat codes are ones with an m4 stock. oh and its a mossenberg 590 not a spas -scarecrow

Its a Remington 1100 i believe, but it can also be found in certain places with the M4 stock. Only while Playing Lost and Damned though.

It's like that shotgun that Switek had in Miami Vice (the movie), it can be obtained in TLAD with the advanced gun cheat (486-555-0100)

No its the semi auto from the regular game with a different stock.

==Names==
The names they've chosen for the new weapons crack me up, they're generic to the point of nonsense. "''Assault'' SMG", "''Advanced'' MG", "''Advanced'' Sniper"...

There is only one machine gun, so why did they feel the need to add 'advanced' to the name? And it irritates me how people, gamers usually, refer to sniper rifles simply as "''snipers''", it's like saying "drivers" when you mean "vehicles". --[[Special:Contributions/219.90.213.180|219.90.213.180]] 10:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

==Behind Enemy Lines movie reference==

Did anyone else notice that in the very begginning of the game, Nikko looks and dresses like the Serbian sniper who tries to kill Owen Wilson in ''Behind Enemy Lines''? Nikko is also Serbian.- ArmoredMason619
:Never noticed, but you're right. They are similar in appearance. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::[http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c257/lostering/untitled10.jpg You're not the only one who noticed]. You can also buy a blue track top from the Russian shop that looks almost identical to the one worn by the sniper in that picture. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Awesome page ==

I júst want to say that the images look so cool,they make me think about a computer animated movie.Seriously,if you know anyone who hasnt heard about GTA ever,show him/her this article and ask if its a videogame or animated movie or else.Really,nice job on the pictures.

== Remington 1100 / 11-87 ==
The long barrel, long magazine tube, and the thing along the top of the barrel (I don't know what that's called) all jump out at you and scream "Remington 1100 TAC4". Those are very specific features of a very specific model. To say it's an 11-87 because of the length of the forearm and nothing else ignores A: the features that are only on the 1100 TAC4 and not on any other model, and B: the forearm doesn't even look like a proper Remington forearm. Thoughts? [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 1:53 PM, 2 April 2010

Shotguns aren't my specialty but I believe that thing on top of the barrel is called a "heat shield", that is you are refering to something on the barrel like that of the old Winchester Trench Gun. Am I right? --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 14:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not a heat shield. A heat shield is perforated sheet metal wrapped around the barrel. The thing I'm talking about, I can't remember what it's called, but it's function is to provide rigidity to the barrel. Revolvers have them too. - PersonOfInterest
:Ribbing? I agree it's a TAC4, this image matches it best. http://img22.imageshack.us/i/1100006.jpg/ - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Is that some kind of 12 gauge stripper clip? - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

==DLC is no longer XBOX360 Exclusive==
As title says, someone need to delete "Xbox360 exclusive" from line "Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content". I would do that if I could, but without account I can't.
:Done. Thanks for taking the time to mention it. :) --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 16:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

==AR-15?==

Anyone else notice that the "M4A1" in the game seems to have a barrel longer than 14.5 in., and that it "steps up" instead of stepping down?

== CZ 75 ==

Why did someone replace the picture of the lost & the damned cz 75? the first one suited it better.

Grand Theft Auto IV

2011-08-10T15:22:10Z

TheDon: /* "Ithaca 37 Stakeout" */

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Grand Theft Auto IV'':'''
'''NOTE: The following article contains spoliers.'''[[Image:Gta-iv-boxart.png|thumb|right|300px|''Grand Theft Auto IV'' (2008)]]

= Grand Theft Auto IV =

== Handguns ==

=== Glock 22 ===

The standard handgun in Grand Theft Auto IV is visibly a second generation [[Glock#Glock_22|Glock 22]]. It is the standard issue police sidearm and is used by all law enforcement agents as well as many other characters throughout the game. Though it's difficult to discern this detail in-game, looking at the weapon's texture close up reveals the number "22" on the slide, confirming that it is a Glock 22, despite it's 17 round magazine (incorrect for the caliber). In addition, the front sights on the weapon are a mirror image of the rear sights, which is obviously incorrect. It is also the primary gun a vigalante will use when attacking the player
[[Image:Glock_22.jpg|thumb|none|350px|2nd-generation Glock 22 .40 S&W]]
[[Image:Pistol 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol]]
[[Image:Nikomadglockskillz.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The in-game Glock 22 clone]]

=== IMI/Magnum Desert Eagle Mark XIX===

The [[Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] in the game is chambered in .357 Magnum, however is modeled after the .50AE variant, noted by the absence of the fluted barrel. Called 'Combat Pistol' in the game, it is a more powerful handgun, and is used by a variety of characters throughout the game.
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|350px|none|Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .50AE]]
[[Image:Deagle.png|thumb|400px|none|Combat Pistol]]
[[Image:4354-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims a Desert Eagle]]

== Shotguns ==

=== "Ithaca 37 Stakeout" ===

The [[Ithaca_37#Ithaca_37_.22Stakeout.22|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]], appears as the "Pump Shotgun". It is used by various gang members and by some LCPD, N.O.O.S.E. and FIB officers. For some reason, the in-game clone has a side mounted ejection port, instead of a bottom loading/ejection port that all Ithaca 37 shotguns are fitted with in real life. Also, the in-game clone can hold 8 shells, four more than its real-life counterpart. Packie McReary uses one during the bank robbery in "Three Leaf Clover" before switching to his AK47, Packie's friend Gordon King uses one during the mission "Waste Not Want Knots". Biker vigilantes also use this.

[[Image:Shotgun 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pump Shotgun]]
[[Image:Ithaca Stakeout Parkerized.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Real Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" for comparison - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Shortyshotty.jpg|none|400px|thumb|"Ithaca 37 Stakeout" in GTA IV]]

=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===
The [[Remington 1100|Remington 1100 TAC 4]] semi-auto appears as the "Combat Shotgun", it becomes available later in the game, and can be obtained from LCPD patrol cars despite the fact that the cops themselves actually use the Pump Shotgun when provoked. The in-game version can hold 10 shells, two more than it's real-life counterpart. It also has a fancy thumbhole stock, barrel ribbing, and a bayonet mount.

[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 Shotgun - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]
[[Image:1187 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Shotgun]]
[[Image:GTA IV Combat Shotgun.jpg|none|430px|thumb|The Combat Shotgun]]

== Submachine Guns ==

=== IMI Micro Uzi ===

The [[Uzi#Micro_Uzi|Micro Uzi]] is used by many criminals in Liberty City. The weapon has a large magazine capacity of 50 rounds (even though the magazine's dimensions match those of a 32 round magazine) and a high rate of fire, but is somewhat lacking in accuracy and range. Jacob uses one twice in the game, first during the "Russian Revolution" level, and later brandishes one in the later levels of the game.

[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 32 rd magazine - 9mm]]
[[Image:Uzi.png|thumb|none|400px|Micro-SMG]]
[[Image:4457-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko showing us his Micro Uzi]]

[[Image:3357 gtaiv broker full auto.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko fires a Micro Uzi]]

=== SW MP-10 ===

The [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] is standard issue for LCPD N.O.O.S.E. teams and is also used by some gang members. It has a smaller magazine capacity (30 rounds) than the Micro SMG, but is more accurate and has a somewhat longer effective range.

[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|350px|The MP-10]]
[[Image:Mp5 4.png|thumb|none|400px|SMG]]
[[Image:Sw-mp10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MP-10 used in game.]]
[[Image:1205334895screen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko fires the MP-10.]]

== Assault Rifles ==

=== AK-47 ===

The [[AK-47]] is used almost entirely by criminals in the City. This is NOT the AKM, as evidenced by lack of muzzle brake, the stock is angled downward compared to an AKM and also has a milled receiver compared to the stamped receiver on the AKM. It is seen many times throughout the game, provided in some missions and brandished by many different characters.

[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Type III AK-47]]
[[Image:Ak47.png|thumb|400px|none|Assault Rifle]]
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]

=== M4A1 Carbine ===

The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is issued to LCPD N.O.O.S.E teams, prison guards, and select officers guarding public places such as subway stations and the airport, and appears to have the carry handle removed and has only a stick-up rear sight. Niko uses an M4A1 when he helped the McReary gang rob the Bank of Liberty in the mission "Three Leaf Clover".

[[Image:ColtM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M4A1 with carry handle removed - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:M4.4.png|thumb|400px|none|Carbine Rifle]]
[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|The M4A1 Carbine]]

== Sniper Rifles ==

=== Remington 700 ===

The basic bolt action sniper rifle featured in the game is the [[Remington 700]]. It is used by the majority of marksmen in the game. The gun appears to have undergone slight customization, with a 10 round magazine fitted, yet only holds 5. Niko uses one in one level to cover Packie during a drug deal gone wrong, and later he uses one when he hits a construction site with Playboy X.

[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Remington 700 Sniper Rifle]]
[[Image:Sniper 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Sniper Rifle]]
[[Image:4355-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko with a Remington 700]]

=== Heckler & Koch PSG-1 ===

The semi automatic sniper rifle is a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#H.26K_PSG-1|PSG-1]]. Pinpoint accuracy, but very expensive in the game. Holds 10 rounds.

[[Image:H&KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch PSG-1, 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Psg 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Sniper]]
[[Image:4456-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims his H&K PSG-1]]

== Heavy Weapons ==

=== RPG-7 ===

The [[RPG-7]] is the only rocket launcher in the game. Niko uses it during several missions.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|RPG-7 rocket launcher, 40mm]]
[[Image:Rl_4.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Rocket Launcher]]
[[Image:Rpggta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|RPG-7 in GTA IV]]

== Miscellaneous ==

=== M26A1 Grenade ===

The [[M26 hand grenade]] has a 5 second fuse from pin release. After 3 seconds, an audible alarm beep is sounded.

[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 HE Frag hand grenade]]
[[Image:Grenade 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade]]

=== Molotov Cocktails ===

Rudimentary spirit bottles with a rag. Set alight when equipped. Amusingly, Niko does not extinguish the rag before putting them inside his jacket when switching weapons.

[[Image:Molotov_4.png|thumb|400px|none|Molotov]]

==Non-Playable Weapons==

===Franchi SPAS-12===

One of the loading screens as the game is starting up depicts two Police officers climbing a flight of stairs while brandishing weapons; one has what could be either a Heckler & Koch MP5 or MP10, with the angle making it hard to judge for sure, while the other has a [[Franchi SPAS-12]] shotgun. Also, early artwork of Niko depict him holding a [[Franchi SPAS-12]] with it's stock removed.

[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Franchi SPAS-12 with stock folded and butt-hook removed, 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:GTAIVPolice.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The loading screen in question. Trigger discipline is apparently not taught to Liberty City's finest.]]

===Remington 870===

In a piece of game artwork, a criminal can be seen aiming a sawed-off [[Remington 870]] out of a car window, while the driver next to him holds a [[Desert Eagle|IMI Desert Eagle]]. In another, Niko can also be seen holding a sawed-off [[Remington 870]] as he exits a car.

[[Image:SawnoffShotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Remington 870 12 gauge with sawed off barrel and stock]]
[[Image:3373_gta_iv_artwork_shootout.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A criminal aims a sawed-off [[Remington 870]] out of a car window.]]

= ''The Lost and Damned'' =

[[Image:gta-iv-lost-and-damned.jpg|right|300px]]

'''In addition to the previous weapons.'''

=== CZ 75 Automatic ===

The game's version of this weapon is a [[CZ 75|CZ 75 Automatic]], the machine pistol version of the CZ 75 pistol. It holds 17 rounds, and is reffered to as an "Automatic 9mm". It is introduced in the mission "Bad Cop Drop". It is very accurate, and has a very high firing rate, but it isn't that powerful. The game's Glock 22 even seems to do more damage than this pistol.

[[Image:Cz75fa.jpg|thumb|350px|none|CZ 75 Automatic 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Automatic9mm-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic 9mm]]
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding a CZ 75 Automatic]]
[[Image:ColtM1911 2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny firing his CZ 75 Automatic]]
[[Image:GTAIVCZ75.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny aims his CZ 75 Automatic at an unknown target as Billy Grey watches.]]

=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===
In "The Lost and Damned", there are two versions of this particular weapon avaliable. The first is the thumbhole stocked version from the original game (seen above) which is avaliable for purchase from Terry's gun van, and normal weapon shops. The second version is fitted with a carbine retractable stock, pistol grip, and picatinny rail. This version seems to be an easter egg, and has to be found in certain locations, such as the apartment building in the mission "Buyers Market". This version also appears in one of the trailers.

[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]
[[Image:CombatShotgun-TLAD.png|400px|thumb|none|Combat Shotgun seen in "The Lost and Damned"]]

=== Sawn-off double barreled shotgun ===
This sawed-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is called the "Sawed off Shotgun" in the game. It is the first weapon that you are equiped with at the start. It can be fired while riding on a Motorcycle, but can't be used in other types of vehicles. Reguardless, it is the only shotgun in the series so far that can be fired from a vehicle. Unlike the other shotguns in the game, this shotgun has an acurate ammo capacity, as it holds only two shells. On a bike, this weapon is very effective, as it can take down almost any target in no time. On foot, it has a very wide range, but a very slow firing rate due to it's small ammo capacity. A good weapon to have, but it can't compare to the game's Street Sweeper.

[[Image:RossiOverlandSBSSide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Rossi Overland Sawn-Off Shotgun]]
[[Image:Sawn-OffShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Sawn-off Shotgun]]
[[Image:SWDBSG1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny shooting with his sawn-off shotgun while riding.]]
[[Image:SWDBSG2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding his sawn-off shotgun while sliding.]]
[[Image:SWDBS3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny takes cover in an Angels of Death clubhouse with a sawn-off shotgun.]]
[[Image:gta_lost_damned_achievement.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with a sawn-off shotgun.]]

=== SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper ===

The [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#SWD.2FCobray_Street_Sweeper|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper]] is called an "Assault Shotgun" in the game, but is also referred to as "Street Sweeper" by characters. It holds an incorrect 8 shells and is incorrectly portrayed as being fully automatic with an extremely high rate of fire (the real-life Cobray Street Sweeper holds 10/12 rounds and is semi-automatic). It can dispatch of enemies and vehicles in no time, and apparently has the ability to take down helicopters as well. It is introduced in the mission "Heavy Toll", but is notably used during the mission "Shifting Weight".

[[Image:CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper with barrel extension removed; the location of the in-game version's fore-grip suggests it is the full-size version with the barrel extension cut off.]]
[[Image:AssaultShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault Shotgun]]
[[Image:L&DStriker.jpg|thumb|400px|none|The "Assault Shotgun" in-game.]]
[[Image:1340.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny destroys a police cruiser with his Assault Shotgun.]]

=== Heckler & Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===

The [[Heckler & Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]] is called the "Grenade Launcher" in the game. It can be used to bounce grenades off walls, and corners in a similar fashion to the RPG. It is introduced in the mission "Action/Reaction". It is very effective, but sometimes overshoots your intended target. Though it fires one grenade at a time, up to 20 can be held in reserve.

[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade Launcher]]
[[Image:Grenadelauncher.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with an HK69A1.]]

===Pipe Bombs===
Has basically the same attributes as grenades. Introduced in the mission "Hit the Pipe".

[[Image:PipeBomb-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Pipe Bomb]]
[[Image:up-pipe_bomb.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johhny tosses a bomb.]]

= ''The Ballad of Gay Tony'' =

[[Image:gta_ballad_of_gay_tony.jpg|right|300px]]

=== AMP Auto Mag Model 180 ===
Called the "Pistol .44", it still oddly shares ammo with the two other pistols. It's first obtained in the "Boulevard Baby" mission.
[[Image:HiStandard44AutomagMod180.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AMP Auto Mag Model 180 - .44 AMP]]
[[Image:Pistol.44-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol .44]]

=== AA-12 ===
An [[AA-12 (Auto Assault-12)|AA-12]] with a 20 round drum magazine. Called "Automatic Shotgun", also available as "Explosive Shotgun" which as the name implies, fires explosive FRAG-12 rounds, identifiable by the green shells it ejects.
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AA-12 (Auto Assault-12) with 8 round magazine.]]
[[Image:AutomaticShotgun-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic Shotgun]]
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-unknown.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AA-12 fired by Luis. Notice the green-coloured FRAG-12 shell casing]]
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis stands in front of a Buzzard helicopter with an AA-12.]]

=== FN P90 ===
The [[FN P90]], called "Assault SMG" is found early in the game. It is outfitted with a silencer and despite using the armor-piercing 5.7x28mm ammo in real life, it still shares ammo with the three other SMGs. It's the only SMG unable to be used in drive-bys.
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:AssaultSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault SMG]]
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-P90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires an FN P90.]]
[[Image:BGT-P90-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with a suppresed FNP90.]]

=== IMI Uzi ===
An [[IMI Uzi]] submachine gun with a golden finish, with the stock removed. Called "Gold SMG", obtained from Yusuf Amir's car after finishing all of his missions.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:GoldSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Gold SMG]]
[[Image:Gay-tony_screen_uzi.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires a golden Uzi from a motorcycle.]]

=== M249 SAW ===
The [[M249 SAW]], called "Advanced MG" is found mid-late in the game. Accurately holds 200 rounds.
[[Image:Fn m249saw mk2 10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249]]
[[Image:AdvancedMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced MG]]
[[Image:IV-M249.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An [[M249 SAW]] is fired by a "terrorist expert". ]]
[[Image:BGT-M249-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with an M249.]]

=== DSR-1 ===
The [[DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1|DSR-1]] sniper rifle is first used in the mission "Caught with your Pants Down" to free an APC from a helicopter. It holds 10 rounds.
[[Image:Dsr1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DSR-1]]
[[Image:AdvancedSniper-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced Sniper]]
[[Image:IV-DSR1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A DSR-1 is wielded by a "terrorist expert".]]
[[Image:BGT-DSR1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis aims a DSR-1 from a Swift helicopter.]]

=== Heckler & Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===

[[Heckler & Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]], see above, is the only weapon returning from "The Lost and Damned" expansion pack.
[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|400px|none|Grenade Launcher]]

=== Satchel Charges ===
Sachel Charges, called "Sticky Bombs", are first used in the "Bang Bang" mission.
[[Image:StickyBomb-TBOGT.png|thumb|400px|none|Satchel Charge]]

=== GE M134 Minigun ===
Two [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen attached to the game's two attack helicopters, the Annihilator and the Buzzard.
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GE M134 Minigun is seen attached to a Buzzard]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:Crime]]

U.S. Marshals

2011-07-29T19:43:21Z

TheDon: /* Colt Python */

''U.S. Marshals'' is the 1998 follow-up to the 1993 film ''[[The Fugitive]]''. In the film, U.S. Deputy Marshal Sam Gerard ([[Tommy Lee Jones]]) must track down an escaped prisoner who may be covert CIA assassin.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the film ''U.S. Marshals'':'''
[[Image:US Marshals.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''U.S. Marshals'' (1998)]]
__TOC__ 

'''Warning - Spoilers Ahead'''
=Handguns=
==Glock 22==

2nd Generation [[Glock 22]] pistols appears in the film as the main sidearm of U.S. Deputy Marshal Sam Gerard ([[Tommy Lee Jones]]) and his fellow Marshals. Later in the film, U.S. Diplomatic Security Service Special Agent John Royce ([[Robert Downey Jr.]]) can be seen using one when he and Gerard are pursuing Mark Sheridan ([[Wesley Snipes]]) aboard the cargo ship, breaking up a fight between Sheridan and Gerard by shooting Sheridan in the shoulder after Sheridan gets ahold of Gerard's Glock and pistol-whips Gerard in the back with it. Near the end of the film, Royce attempts to use his Glock to kill Sheridan and Gerard, only to discover that Gerard had replaced the magazine with an empty one from his gun. When Gerard points out in the hospital that Royce is now carrying a Glock instead of his [[Taurus PT945]] (see below), Royce replies, "Yeah, Glock .40, just like yours". Gerard also incorrectly states that the G22 can fire underwater, though it can fire a few rounds, it would likely jam and, regardless, is bad for the pistol.

[[Image:Glock 22.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 22 2nd Generation .40 S&W]]
[[Image:USM-G22-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Marshal Noah Newman ([[Tom Wood]]) bursts into the fugitive's house at the beginning of the film armed with his Glock 22.]]
[[Image:USM-G22-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard fires his Glock 22 at the sniper on top of the funeral home.]]
[[Image:IMFDB-LaTanyaRichardson-USM.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Dep. Marshall Cooper aims her Glock at Chen on the roof of the funeral home. She doesn't have the best grip here, but she had just drawn the pistol one-handed.]]
[[Image:IMFDB-DanielRoebuck-USM.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|''"Drop it, or I drop you!"'' Dep. Marshall Biggs aims his Glock at Chen on the roof of the funeral home. He has a worse grip than Cooper.]]
[[Image:USM-G22-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard aims his Glock 22 at Sheridan atop the apartment building. With his thumb layered over his dominant hand, he's just asking to get slide bit, though his finger is off the trigger.]]
[[Image:USM-G22-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce draws his new Glock 22 while on the freighter, breaking the 3rd basic rule of gun safety.]]
[[Image:USM-G22-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Excellent close ups of Gerard's Glock 22 as he struggles with Sheridan on the freighter.]]
[[Image:USM-G22-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheridan holds Gerard's Glock 22 on him before being shot in the shoulder by Royce.]]
[[Image:USM-G22-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard hands Royce back his Glock 22 after swapping out a loaded magazine with one of his empties. Gerard's lucky Royce doesn't keep a round in the chamber, since he never racked the slide after making the swap! Also, Royce must be pretty amateur since he failed to notice the difference in the weight of his Glock after 15 rounds of .40 Smith & Wesson disappeared.]]
[[Image:USM-G22-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce holds his Glock 22 on Gerard before trying to fire it and finding it's empty.]]
[[Image:USM-G22-Yours&Mine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"I got yours, you got mine."''' Note the .40 caliber rounds in the magazine.]]

==Taurus PT945==

When Royce and Gerard first meet, Gerard asks to see what kind of weapon Royce is carrying. After jokingly responding, "A big one, how 'bout you?", Royce produces a stainless steel [[Taurus PT945]] which Gerard calls a "nickel-plated sissy pistol", advising Royce to get a Glock instead. This alone is a potential inaccuracy, as the standard sidearm for DSS special agents is the SIG P228 or [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P229|P229]]. During the manhunt in the swamp, Sheridan takes the pistol from Royce and holds him at gunpoint in a short standoff with Gerard before shooting Gerard in his bulletproof vest in order to make his escape. Royce manages to retake the weapon and later uses the pistol to fatally wound Deputy Marshal Noah Newman ([[Tom Wood]]) when Newman catches Royce about to kill Sheridan in cold blood at the Lorelei Building. Royce then tries to pass it off as the gun Sheridan used to kill Newman with the serial number filed off, but Gerard recognizes it from their earlier meeting.

[[Image:945SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT945 .45 ACP. The one in the movie is an older model PT945, which has a stamped slide that looks slightly different.]]
[[Image:USM-TaurusPT945-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel-plated sissy pistol."'' Gerard examines Royce's weapon, in reality a stainless Taurus PT945.]]
[[Image:USM-TaurusPT945-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheridan holding Royce's Taurus PT945 with a horribly low grip while holding Royce at gun point.]]
[[Image:USM-TaurusPT945-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce holds his Taurus PT945 to Sheridan's head.]]
[[Image:USM-TaurusPT945-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of the Taurus PT945 when Royce guns down Newman. For whatever reason he is firing it at an extreme downward angle.]]
[[Image:USM-TaurusPT945-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard examines Royce's Taurus PT945 in the hospital after Royce filed off the serial number in an attempt to pass the gun off as Sheridan's.]]
[[Image:USM-TaurusPT945-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"You better shoot him. Want to use your old gun?"'']]

==Glock 27==

When boarding the prisoner transport flight, Gerard removes both his Glock 22 and a sub-compact Glock variant that he carries in an ankle holster as a backup weapon. This is most likely a [[Glock#Glock 27|Glock 27]], which is chambered for the same .40 Smith & Wesson cartridge as his Glock 22. After this scene, the baby Glock is not seen for the rest of the film, likely lost in the crash-landing incident.

[[Image:G27.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 27 .40 S&W]]
[[Image:USM-G27-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard hands over his Glock 22 and his Glock 27.]]

==Kahr K9==

Following the car crash in Chicago, firefighters responding to the accident find a blue steel [[Kahr K9]] hidden in the glovebox of Sheridan's tow truck (although the gun is mostly covered up by the holster it's in, you can see "K9" on the end of the slide). The discovery of this weapon leads to Sheridan being arrested on concealed weapons charges.

[[Image:K9blk.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Kahr K9 9x19mm]]
[[Image:USM-KahrK9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A firefighter finds a Kahr K9 in Sheridan's tow truck]]

==Ruger SP101==

When Sheridan hijacks a semi truck belonging to a man named Earl ([[Ray Toler]]), he also takes possession of the driver's [[Ruger SP101]] revolver and some extra ammo for it. He later uses it during the manhunt in the swamp, holding Royce at gunpoint with it.

[[Image:RugerSP101.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:USM-RugerSP101-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheridan cocks the hammer on Earl's Ruger SP101 as he tries to convince a state trooper to leave.]]
[[Image:USM-RugerSP101-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheridan holds the Ruger SP101 on Royce in the swamps.]]

==Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 80==

Upon reaching New York City, Sheridan meets with an old friend he calls "Sarge" ([[Lorenzo Clemons]]) who provides him with materials needed in his mission to exonerate himself, including a stainless steel [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Gold Cup National Match|Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 80]]. He then uses it when he confronts Agent Barrows ([[Rick Snyder]]) in the cemetery, pistol-whipping him in the face and holding him at gunpoint with it. He then uses it in the ensuing shootout with Xian Chen, and while being pursued to the Lorelei Building by Gerard and company. Interestingly, Gerard can be seen holding this pistol in promotional material for the film, but never uses one on-screen.

[[Image:ColtGoldCupNatMatchSS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 80 stainless steel .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:USM-ColtGCNM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheridan opens up a cigar box containing a Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 80 and two spare magazines.]]
[[Image:USM-ColtGCNM-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheridan in disguise holds his Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 80 on Agent Barrows.]]
[[Image:USM-ColtGCNM-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good side shot of the Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 80 as Sheridan threatens to, in a nutshell, "neuter" Agent Barrows.]]
[[Image:USM-ColtGCNM-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheridan shoots the lock off the back door of the Lorelei Building. He manages to hit the lock dead center despite looking the other way with his eyes closed.]]
[[Image:USM-ColtGCNM-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheridan fires his Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 80 at Deputy Marshal Noah Newman through the glass doors.]]

==Colt Python==

A Deputy Sheriff is seen with a [[Colt Python]] in his holster at the site of the plane crash.

[[Image:ColtPython6In.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Python 6" .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:USM-ColtPython-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Deputy Sheriff with a Colt Python in his holster.]]

==Beretta 92FS==

A Chicago police officer is briefly seen with a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] in his holster.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS 9x19mm]]
[[Image:USM-Beretta92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Chicago police officer with a Beretta 92FS in his holster.]]

==Smith & Wesson 1006==

A Kentucky State Trooper who stops Earl's ([[Ray Toler]]) semi-truck is seen with a [[Smith & Wesson 1006]] in his holster. This is due to the lack of the wraparound grip that is seen on the [[Smith & Wesson 4506]], as well as the fact that the Kentucky State Police carried the 1006 in 1998, the time of the film's production.

[[Image:S&W4506.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 4506 .45 ACP, this is the .45 version of the 10mm 1006.]]
[[Image:USM-S&W4506-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Kentucky State Trooper with a Smith & Wesson 1006 in his holster.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==

Deputy Marshal Bobby Biggs ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen unloading a fugitive's [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P228|SIG-Sauer P228]] during the bust at the start of the film.

[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P228 9x19mm]]
[[Image:USM-SIGP228-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Biggs drops the magazine out of a fugitive's SIG-Sauer P228. Seen behind him are Cosmo & Newman's Glock 22's.]]

==Bersa Thunder 380==

Deputy Marshal Cosmo Renfro ([[Joe Pantoliano]]) is seen with what appears to be a [[Bersa Thunder 380]] pistol in a small-of-back holster.

[[Image:300px-Bersa Thunder in 380 ACP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bersa Thunder 380 .380 ACP]]
[[Image:USM-BersaThunder380-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Renfro with a Bersa Thunder 380 in his back holster.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
When Royce finds his Glock 22 has been emptied on him, he makes a last ditch effort to kill Gerard by drawing a nickel plated [[Smith & Wesson Model 36 / 38#Smith & Wesson Model 36 "Chiefs Special"|Smith & Wesson Model 36]] before being gunned down. It does not appear to be the Ruger SP-101 from earlier in the film as previously mentioned.
[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 with stainless steel finish .38 Special]]
[[Image:USM-S&W36nickel-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce tries to draw a nickel Smith & Wesson Model 36.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==

[[Remington 870]] shotguns make several appearances in the film, first in the hands of prisoner transport flight guards following the crash-landing, then in the hands of locals helping with the swamp manhunt.

[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:USM-Rem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Three Remington 870s are seen in a weapons rack on the prisoner transport plane. They are strangely upright despite the plane being flipped upside down.]]
[[Image:USM-Rem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A transport guard carrying a Remington 870 after the crash.]]
[[Image:USM-Rem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A local boatman carrying a Remington 870 during the search for Sheridan.]]

==Ithaca 37==

NYPD officers outside the Lorelei Building are seen holding [[Ithaca 37]] shotguns, one with an extended magazine tube and one with a standard tube.

[[Image:IthacaModel37.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ithaca 37 Riot 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:USM-Ithaca37-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NYPD officers holding Ithaca 37 shotguns.]]

==Maverick 88 Shotgun==

A [[Mossberg 500 series shotgun#Maverick Model 88|Maverick 88]] is recovered by Gerard from a baby's crib during the fugitive arrest in the beginning of the film. The Maverick 88 is outfitted with a a pistol gripped and it is an inexpensive version of the [[Mossberg 500 series shotgun#Mossberg 500 Cruiser|Mossberg 500 Cruiser]]. One of the suspects tries to get this weapon so that he can shoot Deputy Marshal Noah Newman, but Newman shoots him with his Glock 22 in the shoulder before he can do this. Gerard later takes this weapon and uses it to intimidate another suspect. It is noted as a Maverick 88 by its safety moved from the receiver tang to the trigger guard.

[[Image:Play_110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg Maverick 88 (with pistol grip) - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:USM-MossbergPersuader-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard removes the pistol gripped Maverick 88 from the baby's crib.]]
[[Image:USM-MossbergPersuader-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard pumps the action of the Maverick 88 before holding it on another suspect, and ejects a live round. The standard practice for Law Enforcement when picking up an unknown weapon is to rack the action, to be sure it is loaded, as they may need to use it quickly and don't know if has a round in the chamber. As Gerard pulled the shotgun from out of a crib, it's likely he would be pumping it to ensure this.]]
[[Image:USM-MossbergPersuader-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Regular or extra crispy?" The suspect staring down the barrel of the Maverick 88.]]

=Submachine guns And Machine Pistols=
==MAC-11==

A fugitive is briefly seen holding a [[MAC-10#MAC-11|MAC-11]] before being disarmed by Deputy Marshal Noah Newman.
[[Image:Mac m11 9k.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPD Industries MAC-11 .380 ACP]]
[[Image:USM-MAC11-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fugitive runs through the house armed with a MAC-11. Notice the TERRIBLE trigger discipline, It appears the thug is almost squeezing it down, but the shot is too blurry to tell.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==Heckler & Koch SR9(T)==

During the swamp scene, a Kentucky State Police officer in a helicopter can briefly be seen with a [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K SR9 series of Sniper Rifles|Heckler & Koch SR9(T)]] sniper rifle, loaded with a 20-round magazine.

[[Image:H&KSR9T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch SR9(T) 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:USM-H&KSR9T-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Kentucky State Police Officer aims his Heckler & Koch SR9(T).]]
[[Image:USM-H&KSR9T-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A shot over the shoulder of the Kentucky State Police Officer with the Heckler & Koch SR9(T).]]

=Rifles=
==Colt Sporter II Carbine==
During the cemetery scene, Sheridan and the Deputies come under fire by U.N. Cultural Attache of China Xian Chen ([[Michael Paul Chan]]) wielding a [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 733|Colt Sporter II Carbine]] fitted with an Aimpoint 9000L red dot scope and sound suppressor from the roof of the funeral home.
[[Image:ColtSporterIIw30RdMag.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Sporter II Carbine 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:USM-AR15SporterII-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chen smacks a magazine into his Colt Sporter II Carbine.]]
[[Image:USM-AR15SporterII-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good side-shot of the Colt Sporter II Carbine.]]
[[Image:USM-AR15SporterII-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chen takes aim at Sheridan, who moves his head just in time. Chen is also firing left handed, which may have been forced due to the angle from which he has to aim from the rooftop.]]
[[Image:USM-AR15SporterII-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here we see the sound suppressor is clearly fake since it does nothing to dampen the muzzle flash.]]
[[Image:USM-AR15SporterII-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chen is arrested by Biggs and Cooper on the roof.]]

=Other=
==Orion 12-Gauge HP Flare Gun==

When Sheridan is found in the swamps, Gerard and a local boatman fire Orion flare guns into the air to mark their positions for backup to arrive.

[[Image:USM-FlareGun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A boatman loads a Orion flare gun.]]
[[Image:USM-FlareGun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The boatman fires the Orion flare gun into the air.]]
[[Image:USM-FlareGun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard fires a flare into the air.]]

==XL-17 Pen Gun==

While on board the prisoner transport flight, a prisoner retrieves an [[Asassination Device|XL-17 pen gun]] hidden in a roll of toilet paper in the lavatory. The prisoner then attempts to use the weapon to kill Sheridan but fails, the shot shattering a window of the plane and causing an explosive decompression that sucks the would-be assassin and several other prisoners and guards out of the plane and forces an emergency landing. Of course, a single bullet hole cannot cause explosive decompression in real life.

[[Image:USM-PenGun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The inmate loads a .22 LR round into his XL-17 pen gun, which is missing a bullet head.]]
[[Image:USM-PenGun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The inmate cocks back the trigger which is disguised as the pocket clip.]]
[[Image:USM-PenGun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard finds the pen gun in the plane.]]
[[Image:USM-PenGun-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard unloads the pen gun. For whatever reason he's handling evidence without gloves, which a real U.S. Marshal would know better than. On the other hand, it was underwater for a long time, so fingerprints would have been gone.]]

=Trivia Special=

==Sparking Bullets==

Like most typical Hollywood films, we see that bullets spark against the oddest things, when most bullets don't even spark on ''metal''.
[[Image:USM-SparkyBullets-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 5.56mm round sparking against ''concrete''.]]
[[Image:USM-SparkyBullets-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A .45 ACP round sparking on ''wood''.]]

=See Also:=

* ''[[Fugitive, The|The Fugitive]]'' - the predecessor to this film

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[[Category:Thriller]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Talk:SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series

2011-07-26T03:40:36Z

TheDon: /* New P226 */

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==Other Variants==
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun carried and fired by [[Bruce Willis]] in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''.]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Left.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing '''SIG-Sauer P228'''. This weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'', and was carried and fired by [[Clint Eastwood]] in the film. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo; also see their sales page for the weapon, [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00276&Store_Code=TGC&search=228&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= here].]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Right.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The '''SIG-Sauer P228''' from ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'' (seen from the right).]]
[[Image:VirtuosityP228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A two-tone '''SIG-Sauer P228''' (9x19mm) with Wilcox Industries UITC laser and barrel compensator, as used by [[Denzel Washington]] in the film ''[[Virtuosity]]''. The weapon pictured here is the actual screen-used gun from the movie, one of four that were made for the film. One of these guns is re-used in the film ''[[Barb Wire]]''.]]
[[Image:X-Five-LW-detail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG Sauer X5 LW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00268 Sopranos Tony Soprano Sig 226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[James Gandolfini]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This specific gun was the one fired onscreen when he, Paulie, and Silvio kill Pussy in Funhouse (2.13). More detailed images and purchasing information on this item can be found at [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00268&Store_Code=TGC&search=Sopranos&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00273 Sopranos Paulie Sig P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P228 pistol with non-functional prop silencer - 9x19mm. This live firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[Tony Sirico]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This gun was fired onscreen in the episode A Hit Is A Hit (1.10) during the scene where Paulie and other members of the Sopranos crew pose as furniture movers and ambush a drug cartel bagman and steal his money. After the hold up, Paulie shoots the man in the head at point blank range before making off with his drug money (IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing the documentation on this gun. Contact them via their website for more detailed images and purchasing information on this item.)]]
[[Image:P00619.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used SIG-Sauer P229 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun has been modified to fire blank rounds only. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see[http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00619&Store_Code=TGC&search=Salt&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:M&MSSIGP229.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Two of the SIG-Sauer P229 - 9x19mm pistols used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]''.]]
[[Image:Sig-sauerP229DAK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229R - 9mm (also chambered for .40 S&W & .357 SIG)]]
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A reverse Two-Tone SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm (identical configuration to the gun from ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''; this weapon was assembled and photographed specially for IMFDB by [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]).]]

== P245 ==

I like the P245. I bought one back in 2000. I owned both the P220 and the P245 for many years and I always found that I shot better with the P245. Eventually traded the P220, but I still have the P245. It's a nice little shooter. But truth be told I did purchase the eight round magazine from Sig. So I guess the P220 Compact just makes more sense. From a business aspect. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==P228==
I'm a bit confused about the P228. I thought that it has been discontinued for about 10 years. But that the Military uses them and I know that SIG recently came out with a P228R model. So my question is: Is it still being produced or not? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

:The P228R is a limited production run weapon. SIG had lots of surplus P228 slides, so they modified them to fit P229R frames (even though the 229 has always been a bit wider than the 228). As for the military's use of the P228, that's just because they bought so many of them in the 1990s that they still have lots in inventory. But the original, non-rail P228 (the version still seen in most movies today) has been out of production since 2000, when the P229 in 9mm was introduced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Ok thank you for clearing that up for me. Much appreciated! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== P220 ==
Is the P220 still manufactured in any caliber other than 45 ACP? I know the .38 super and .30 luger variants were discontinued but many nations have adopted the 9mm version for Police and Military use so it seems odd they would have discontinued it, yet SIG-Sauer's websight only lists it as comming in .45. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Everywhere I've looked for info says no. All modern (Railed I assume) P220's are strictly .45 ACP.
Personally I like this line of thinking, a single stack 9x19mm seems pointless when you can get a P226, or a P229 and carry more rounds. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

The Swiss military is a big user of the P-220 pistol. I wonder if they might have their own production line somewhere (as they did with the Luger) and just do not offer them commercially anymore. Also, SIG as the monolith that it once was is no more, having broken up into various other companies: the SIG-Sauer brand, now based out of Germany (and responsible for the P-220-5, P-226, P229, SIG-556, and all other continued SIG-Sauer firearms), and Swiss Arms, the manufacturer of the SIG-550 series firearms (the 550, 551, 552, and 553), and others. It is possible that the Swiss government procured the machinery after the demise of SIG to produce the P/75 (as I believe the Swiss military calls it) and is producing them for their own uses. This seems all the more likely when it is considered that an officer in the Swiss military is given the option of purchasing his own service sidearm once he leaves the military (and thus a finite stockpile might soon quickly expire). Just for information's sake, an enlisted person within the Swiss military is given the option of actually purchasing his own service weapon once he leaves the service (this is done by sending it back to the manufacturer were it is converted to a semi-automatic only rifle and then sent to the former soldier). The Chilean government had its own license to produce these domestcally through FAMAE (according to Ian Hogg) though this seems to have expired and FAMAE now produces a variant of the CZ-75 and the Japanese government also license produced the design at one point (perhaps through Howa Industries), although this too seems to have expired, and this is once again according to Mr. Hogg. Just some potential explanations.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== P6 hammer notch ==

As I actually own a P6, I, as I am sure many other P6 owners have, became curious of and susequently investigated the notch in the P6's hammer. I have heard various reasons for the P6 hammer's notch, including the theory that it was meant to indicate that the gun was dropped or was meant to prevent an accidental firing if it was indeed dropped. Hoever, I have come across another explanation that to me seems a bit more plausible, that it was meant to stick the loop of a retaining holster into, thereby securing the gun into the holster and preventing a drop. To me this seems to be a more potential explanation as who would want to replace a hammer each time the weapon was dropped, espiecially a SIG (not the cheapest of all firearms) and espiecially a model that SIG discontinued quite some time ago. Even finding extra (affordable) magazines for a P-225/P6 is an ordeal, so why would you try and replace a hammer every time somebody might actually drop it. I don't know, but it just does seem the best explanation to me. Also, I do not speak German, so there might be a resource out there that that I cannot utilize that expressly states the reasons for this peculiarity. Once again, just another potential explanation, what do you guys think?[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Your picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 ==

Your main picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 looks more like a airsoftversion than a real one. The hammer has a slightly different shape than a real P228.

:I don't think it's an airsoft weapon. It was photographed for us by MoviePropMaster2008, who is a movie armorer, so that is a real weapon converted to blank-fire, from his company's inventory. However, he mentioned to me that this particular gun was dropped during a movie shoot and badly damaged, so it had a whole bunch of repairs. He is trying to find a P228 in better condition that he can photograph (preferably, one that was used in a big movie). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Just wondering? ==

Why do many enthusisests and military forces(Navy seals,SAS,ect) perfer this gun? Is it reliability? the different calibers?

Its exceptionally well made and accurate right out of the box, they're durable, there are a variety of options from cosmetic to alternate materials to alternate barrels and rail systems, and there are a wide variety of calibers to choose from. They're solidly built, reliable, and effective weapon platforms. The only real issue is price but if you're buying something that you want to be able to defend yourself with...any time...in any corner of the world.... then the P22# series is a prime choice.
-Double Agent M

==Confirmation==
I feel stupid for asking this but just to make sure, SIG-Sauer P220 series guns have decockers but no manual safeties right? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

There are some SIG 220 series that come with manual safeties. The P220SAO comes to mind.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

And I assume the DAK versions don't have decockers. I should have specified that I was wondering about the DA/SA variants. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Ah, there are no manual safeties on non SAO SIGs.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No problemo.

==P228 vs. 229==
What are the differences between the SIG P228 and P229 other than the fact that the 229 comes in .40 S&W and .357 SIG? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The P226 and P228 were originally manufactured using a stamped-steel slide on an aluminum alloy frame. The P229 consists of a CNC-milled stainless steel slide, typically colored black with a Nitron finish. The P229's milled steel slide was introduced to handle the higher slide velocities created by the .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads, which the stamped slide of the P228 could not handle without the use of a much stiffer recoil spring.
:So stamped vs. milled slide. Alright, thanks. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Quick question about SIGs in films and television==

I understand why SIGs are used by the military, police and weapons enthusiasts but I'm just wondering why they turn up so much in films and TV. Are they easy to convert to blanks and thus is the main go-to guns for armorers or is it SIG doing some covert advertising? I remember in the late 90s to early 00s that Glock had an equivalent presence in film and television. It's nice to see SIGs in action but can't they use a wider range of brands? - [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]]

:In movies and TV, SIGs typically are typically shown in the hands of either FBI Agents (which actually issued them in real life) or military Special Forces (many of which also use them frequently). I would imagine that they are common for this reason alone - there are a lot of movies about elite units and federal agents.

:I don't think it has anything to do with them being easy to convert to blanks, because SIGs have a covered barrel whose lock-up at ejection port needs to be milled down in order for blanks to function reliably (unlike Berettas, which have a reputation for ease of blank conversion due to their open-top slides). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

==SIG-Sauer model used in recent Mythbusters==
I have a short question, in most recent episode of Mythbusters, the trio team testes a myth from Kiss The Girls movie - whether a gun can ignite a room full of gas. They used .44 Magnum, 3rd Gen Glock 17 9x19mm (if I ID'd it correctly) and a SIG-Sauer. The question is what model of SIG-Sauer was used, I'm not sure if it was P239 9x19mm? Also on a side note, they tend to mix the footage of Glock and SIG and also Tory calls the SIG a Glock... (wlw @ 27.11.2010)

== SEALS ==
Does anyone know why the Navy SEALS chose the SIG 226 for their handgun of choice, what handgun it replaced, and why it was chosen over that handgun?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 02:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

When the US held pistol trial to replace the 1911 in the 80's, the final two were the m9 and the P226. The M9 won based on cost alone. The SEALS originally used the M9, but after several catastrophic failures they switched to the runner-up, the 226. That was in the 80's, and they are still using it. Says a lot for SIG... I don't know what the SEALS used before, but I would assume it's some 1911 variant. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:The Navy SEALS also used the Heckler & Koch Mark 23 for a while before switching to the SiG-Sauer P226. Reason being? The H&K Mk 23 was deemed to be a bit of a piece of shit. With a heavy trigger pull and a clunky, unwieldy feel and ability to use, the SEALS kicked that pistol to the curb pretty quick. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 20:53, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
::Form what I heard from people who actually own Mark 23s the trigger pull is better than the USP. :/ I would own a Mark 23 but that's just me, I like big, heavy (actually the Mark 23 only weighs as much as a M1911 handgun), over-engineered weapons that can survive a nuclear explosion. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:15, 5 June 2011 (CDT)

What kind of catastrophic failures was the M9 going through and why didn't other branches replace the M9 with the SIG aside from price?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 17:28, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
: The Slides had a tendency to break; officially as a result of the SEALs using hotter rounds than the weapon was rated for.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::The other branches didn't feel the need to replace the M9, probably because the SEALS have higher standards for their sidearms. Also, the SIGs were extremely durable, you could take them through saltwater, drag them through sand, even pound it with a jackhammer and they would still fire. The other branches didn't use their sidearms nearly as much as the SEALS. Presently the Coast Guard is using the SIG-Sauer P229, and the actual agency NCIS (naval criminal investigative service, pretty much cops for the navy and marines) use P229s as well. Also, I don't know where you live, but if u live in america go on youtube and search for "nutnfancy p226 part 1" its the first one that shows up. He talks about the history of the P226 and its use with the SEALS.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

The SIG P229 is a fine weapon, from my experiance its the best shooting handgun for me. Wonder if the P220 works aswell because I want one.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== New P226 ==

Has anyone seen the new production line SIG P226s? What do you guys think of the new grips? They've got the same grips that the E2 has now. I like them but I will miss the old P226 grips. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:34, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:I honestly think that I am the only one who does not like them. I like how they try to appeal to smaller-handed shooters, but I think they should have kept the "classic" style availiable as well. I handled a classic P226 with the E2 grips installed, and it just didn't feel right to me. They did this to the P229 (my favorite gun) and changed the slide style as well. I will miss the classic grips. (It feels so weird calling the SIGs I know and love the classic version)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 02:46, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

Being a Brit the closest I get to handling a real gun are my airsoft ones, but if I manage to move to America (which is one of my lifes goals) I'd like to get some real guns. One of them is a SIG Sauer P226 but I prefer the classic unrailed frame. I wish SIG still produced those for sale as well. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:35, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

You can still get the old grips for SIGs. They sell them on their website, and i'm sure that various other distributors bought ass-loads of them to sell. The new grips give more options to a wider range of shooters. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 09:56, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:I've been thinking about ordering a pair for a while. Even though I can get my hand around my 226's grip just fine (the smaller circumference doesn't matter much to me), I've never liked the texture of the previous generation grips. The E2 grip texture is designed to be a lot like the grips on the very earliest P226s (the checker-pattern grips).

:Also, SIG just introduced the "P226 German", which is a rail frame P226 that has the German-manufactured stamped slide of the oldest model P226s. I might have to get one some day - the old stamped slides are WAY superior to the milled slides that have been standard since the late-90s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:27, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

When I saw the "P226 German" on their website I was hoping it would be a classic P226 without a rail but it has the rail. I don't understand why they don't still produce unrailed framed P226s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:55, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

I must admit that I thought the same thing when I saw the German on their site. And i'm sure many other people were just as disappointed when they saw the rail... honestly, I can see where they could be useful, but aesthetically I prefer SIGs without rails. Like the P229 SAS, for instance. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:40, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2011-07-25T22:41:51Z

TheDon: /* Photo of Webley */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', but the slide looks like it is full length. Doesn't the PD model have a shorter slide or am I mistaken?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

Talk:SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series

2011-07-25T14:56:45Z

TheDon: /* New P226 */

Talk:Heat

2011-03-16T20:54:10Z

TheDon: /* Hanna is shooting at Shiherlis */

==Views==

It's amazing we've reached nearly 80,000 views for this page. I remember how happy we were when it hit 50,000...which doesn't seem like it was all that long ago. Probably won't be much longer before we hit 100,000. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Over 130,000 now. Crazy. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

This discussion must be pretty old; the view are now over 230,000!! [[User:jackbel]]

==Has anyone seen this?==

http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/06/movie-guns-x.html

I'm just curious because although his list isn't as thorough as ours, he seems to have some very high-quality screenshots which look way better than those on my DVD. I especially like the screenshot of Trejo's Norinco AK, which shows the barrel and front sight in better detail. Blu Ray, perhaps?

: The clearer shots already disproved one of my own recollections and I will fix it. I could have sworn that I saw M16A1 uppers mounted onto SP1 lowers on the set. (it was fourteen years ago!) But the clearer BLURAY shots show Wes Studi's rifle to be an M16A1 lower, not the SP1 lower I thought it was. Fooey! I pulled one of those Franken-guns from the inventory (though I can't be sure if that gun ever was in HEAT) and photographed it for nothing. I will change it back. As for this guy's list, he has much clearer High Def shots, but his information isn't nearly as accurate as IMFDB's page. [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

:: ''I always used to think it was a continuity error...the first shot (where he's firing at the car) clearly shows a gun with a mil-spec A1-style receiver, but it does look like an SP1 lower in the next scene, right before he shoots Kilmer. If it weren't for the Blu Ray shots, I would have continued to think this way.''

:''The guy thought the 733s in the film were M4A3s just because of the DVD title sequence. Pretty funny. I wish I had thought to nab more shots, many of the ones he took were ones I didn't bother because I thought the ones we had were good enough. Should have followed my gut. His page is a little more complete but less correct, as far as I'm concerned.-GM''
::''There's also the phenomenon of having '''too many screen caps''', something I'm seeing on some pages (look at Dogs of War, the changes that aren't mine.). I know that some guys get all excited about their ability to post screen caps, but having literally DOZENS of images of the same guns is really '''beating a dead horse''' and makes the page cumbersome and annoying to look at. The last thing I want are to have IMFDB movie pages resembling people's MYSPACE pages ... cluttered, hard to navigate and generally irritating. So far I think your ratio of 'useful' images is just fine. These other guys don't know when there is '''too much of a good thing'''. ''
::''Also IMFDB has the advantage of multiple users checking and re-checking the pages. Sure some of the pages have work to do, but they will eventually be 100% done. '' [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

::What is this so called M4A3? I've never heard of it. So after the A1, there's an A2 and an A3 as well? Are we talking about what Colt makes or what Bushmaster makes? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No such variant exists. Someone mistook another Colt variant I guess and soon it spread around as improper fact. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::I see. Well I can somewhat understand some people when they look at AR-15 type weapons as the same rifle because they all share the same basic design. I used to look and see every shorty M16 variant as an M4 before I knew more about the M4 and also used to not know that the M4 is the burst verison and the A1 is auto with the removable carrying handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, guys, there is no Blu-Ray of Heat yet, unfortunately.
:UPDATE ON DAT ISSUE: Yes there is, now. By the way, above is me as well.-protoAuthor 19:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

==Bosko ([[Ted Levine]])==
The first casualty of the bank robbery gun battle. What type of gun was he using? [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 03:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:The rent-a-cop with the ankle holster? Or out in the street? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

::Out in the street. I though it was a G36K or something but I can't be sure. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 02:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:::''I know this is kind of an old comment, but the G36 series wasn't around when the movie was filmed (1994-95), and it wouldn't have been imported to the U.S. until 1998, about two years after it entered service with the ''Bundeswehr''. Anyway, Bosko uses one of the M16A1s with A2 handguards that are used by most of the other detectives in the shootout, including Detective Casals.''

== M4 ==

During the van rubbery DiNero and Killmer used M4s.

:No, they used Colt Model 733s. - [[user:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]
:Is a ''"rubbery"'' something like a ''"shrubbery"''? And who is ''DiNEro'' ("Money" in spanish) and ''KILLmer''? Just kidding LOL!~ ;) - [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Help! ==

Someone fucked up the pictures with Â letters, i fixed that. Now, some of the pictures don't show for some reason. - [[User:Flying Dane]]

== Fixed ==

It's okay, I fixed them. They had some long spaces in them. Alienqueen11.

== MoviePropMaster2008 edit ==

I deleted the MoviePropMaster2008 edit because of it's non-encyclopedic tone. If discussions about a certain gun in the article are to be made, I think it should be done here in the discussion section. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 23:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, that's fine, but then at the very least, you should have the courtesy to copy and paste the comments into this section rather than deleting them completely, as I have done here.

Alright. I'll be sure to do that in the future. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 19:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Conversation on the FNC ==

MP2008 had a really good conversation going about which variant of FNC is carried by Vincent in this movie. I have now revived it for this section:

: Well, you've been very busy, [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]], though you're making an entirely educated guess (not a bad one) The 70-30 is a Para length barrel semi auto FNC designed for Law Enforcement use and sale only , so that would be a good guess. However, The FNCs on the set WERE full auto (I was there), but Director Michael Mann directed Al Pacino to fire semi auto only (which is pretty cool since police should NOT go full auto on street full of civilians). From what I remember, Pacino's gun was a pre-1985 American imported FNC 223 rem Sporter that was converted and had the barrel chopped WAY down to mimic the Para rifles and had a M16A1 style birdcage flash hider installed (see pic) by the movie armorers. FN imported American shorter FNC guns 'called' the para rifle, but the American barrels were several inches longer than the one seen in the movie, so this one was chopped down to look more like the European Para Models of the FNC.

[[Image:HEAT FNC Short.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pacino with a chopped down FNC rifle - note the M16A1 style birdcage flash hider, the original FNCs used Belgian FN FAL style flash hiders and the Para Models had an ultra short version of the same Belgian design.]]

:Harry Lu was the lead armorer (same guy who just did Rambo (2008)), but he's the head coordinator. There were a LOT of trainers and gun handlers on location - it was a big shoot with lots of actors/stuntmen handling live weapons. Lu, like most armorers, acquired the guns from rental houses. At the beginning of the filming of the Street battle, the FNCs were provided by Mike Papac of Cinema Weaponry, but the filming went a lot longer than anticipated, and rifles apparently were swapped out with guns provided by Syd Stembridge of Stembridge Gun Rentals of Glendale (according to everyone's recollection), it's been almost 14 years since that shoot so everyone is working from memory. I too must check it for sure. What I remember and what Mike or Syd or Harry tell me may differ so I will try to get a pic of Pacino's exact gun or at least get the exact model and make info. ...[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

How do you get images onto imfdb i am really stumped

:''Use "Upload File" under the "Toolbox" section (visible on the left menu, below "Search"). To actually display images in an article, copy and paste some of the code from any article of your choice (you can use the code that I used on this page to display the image of Pacino with the FNC, above).''

::I don't remember what I said to which MPM replied. Anyone remember? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Gonna fix my own pics==
Will probably be replacing the pic I uploaded of the Colt 733 since mine is actually an M16A1 with a Colt Sporter Carbine top, chopped down to resemble a 733. I am trying to get a REAL (marked) 733 that hasn't been altered by a gunsmith (that's pretty hard in this town). Too many of the guns are outfitted with outlandish RIS rails, lasers, scope mounts, and they're nearly unrecognizable. And if I'm borrowing someone else's gun to snap pics of I don't want to have to completely rebuild their gun. ;) Just giving everyone a heads up. (MPM2008)
:Is that why these guns have A2 recievers and yours has an A1? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==New pics==
How does our number 1 page look now that I added some extra shots? I'm quite proud of my Norinco Type 56-1 pic. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Comment regarding the first shot of the FN FNC section.==
The screencap you have would appear to show no one but civilians in Vincent's line of fire. However, the shots immediately before show Vincent and his soon-to-be-deceased partner coming under fire from Shirelis as he hops into the getaway car. Considering that most no one short of a robot's going to have enough wherewithal to know when to stop firing THAT quickly, it can be reasonably assumed that Vincent still believed he had a good bead. I wouldn't slight him for that one. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 09:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Discussion of "Fragmentation" ==

Hello.

I noticed a over enthiusiastic, but inccorect passage regarding the secondary wounding mechanism of "fragmentation" in the Colt 733 article, and editted it appropriately.

Fragmentation is well documented to be a function of velocity. While certain rounds can fragment at lower velocities (ie, MK262 Mod 0/Mod 1, Nosler OTM, etc) it remains a constant that a high velocity = higher chance of fragmentation. As a result, the statement that rounds fired from the 733 fragment violently, similiar to an "explosion" is completely false.

As is documented in reports by Dr. Martin L. Fackler, and in testing, the reliable fragmentation threshold for common military 5.56 rounds (Vietnam era 55 grain M-193 and modern green tip 62 grain M-855) is 2700 feet per second. The M733 with it's 10.7" barrel will produce velocities in the low 2600 range at the muzzle (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt#3, a US SOCOM report concerning the modern MK 18, 10.5" barreled grandchild of the M733) , and as such, will not provide very good fragmentation at distances beyond punching range.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_2700.html

==FNC rifle update==
I changed the entry for the FNC rifle. I spoke to all of the armorers on set on this film and everyone says that the rifle was a full auto FNC (imported in the early 1980s) that was chopped and fired semi only at the behest of Director Mann. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==1911 & clones handguns==
The handgun seen on the SISs officier near the end seems to be an LA Vickers Custom, based on the Springfield Loaded pistol, with an extended magwell (you can clearly see the extension on the pistol). The LA Vickers Custom was one of the 1911 handguns delivered by Property Division to the LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom II was selected as standard issue for the LAPD (and later the Kimber SIS for the SIS officers)

:It's possible, but I dunno if you can assume that. It's always a bad idea to assume that just because a certain law enforcement agency/unit or military uses a particular gun in real life, the exact same weapon is being used in a particular movie. There are a lot of movies that depict NYPD officers using Glock 17s instead of 19s, or that depict Secret Service Agents using SIG-Sauer P226s instead of P228s/P229s, for instance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Yeah sure, but it looks like they at least tried to replicate it. Well i think we can say its a Government pistol with a magwell extension.

==Empty P220 anyone==
During the ending section, where Neil shots Trejo, Van Zant and Waingro, then shoots at Hannah, he fires a total of 8 rounds from his P220. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but a P220 carries an 8 round mag of .45 ACP rounds, so when Neil is lying in wait for Hannah just before the end, wouldn't he be empty? That is, of course, if he never reloaded.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't he have reloaded?
::Perhaps he had 1 round in the chamber, plus the 8-round magazine. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::True, but that would still only warrant him one more shot.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

He had fired the weapon previously, not firing the complete magazine. He then makes an exit from his "combat zone", no competent shooter in the world would enter a new "combat zone" (i.e. the hotel) with an intended purpose of using that weapon against unknown number of combatants with a half empty, low-cap magazine. Not only is this something a trained shooter would do (as the film suggest Neil has autodidactically become), it is simply common sense to do so and I stress to think of anyone who would make this mistake.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

==Car Chase==
It's funny: I was just on the street in downtown L.A. today where they filmed the shootout in this movie between the LAPD and McCauley's gang. Remember the part where McCauley, Cheritto, and Shiherlis got in the getaway car and drove off only to be stopped by a police roadblock? They made that sequence seem longer than it really would've been in reality. When I was on Fifth Street today, I looked, thought about it, and realized: they drove roughly one block before stopping, but it seemed like a much greater distance in the film. Just wanted to point that out. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Well, what can I say...you've stumbled upon one of the nuances of direction. Depending on editing and filming, a scene like that can appear to take place over a longer distance than it actually does. Even though Mann might have only been able to get the city to close down one or two blocks for filming (which, when you think about it, makes perfect sense), they can still make the scale of the battle feel larger and more epic with good direction. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh yeah, its still a great scene. In my opinion, I think it is one of the greatest movie gunbattles ever. It reminds me of the escalator shootout at Grand Central Station in ''[[Carlito's Way]]''. It kept going for a really long time because it was a very epic gunfight. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==Hanna's Guns==
I was also just thinking about this: the filmmakers got most of the LAPD's weapons right. Patrol Officers carry Beretta's and Remington's (of course I don't think the LAPD used Mossbergs, but whatever. Maybe they did, idk), SWAT carries 1911's, MP5s, etc. You get the point. But what I found really interesting was Hanna's choice of weapons. A Colt Officer's ACP with ivory grips and an FN FNC. Now those are weapons I've never heard of any American police department using. Anyways, I just thought that was kinda odd. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree but on the other hand, I think, plot-wise or character-wise Hanna's choice makes sense.
Maybe Hanna's guns were chosen for dramatic reasons, to show, how much a loner he was. You know, he's not playing by the rules, so he doesn't use the same guns as the rest of the team. And since he's the best cop ever, of course he's allowed to carry any gun he wants. Something like that. There are many movies in which the hero-cops carry stranger guns (Remember Sam Elliott playing a NY-cop with a .45 Winchester Magnum LAR Grizzly Pistol?).
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

With obvious reason, undercover officers, especially those conducting long term investigation with a cover, quite often are assigned with weapons that are not standard department issue (or often smaller carry pieces of those weapons). In the case of Sam Elliot's character, this is an obvious exaggeration and the weapon what just picked to be cool. Hanna's gun, I'm guessing, was just Mann picking a very cool little gun that he liked and thought would give Hanna some extra personality.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 21:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==KP90==
:I do not think that Cheritto would be the kind of guy who would use this sort of pistol over something better like a Hi-Power or M1911. He seems like a fellow "Gun Guy", who would not be caught dead with such a crappy sidearm-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What makes the KP90 so "crappy"?
I´ve shot a few rounds with a P89 some years ago. Can't say, it was a bad gun.

BTW I´ve always been under the impression, there are no really bad guns. Only bad shots.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 13:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:It doesn't matter how good a shot you are if your pistol falls apart when you fire it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

And the KP90 tends to "fall apart"? Never heard of that. Any experiences?
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't, a lot of the P-series Rugers have a reputation for reliability earning them the nickname "Bricks with Triggers." S&WShooter, just because you don't like a certain gun doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you or that a gunman's credibility should be questioned because he chooses to carry it. Your opinion is not the final say on a gun's quality. For instance, many people prefer weapons with double-action triggers like the P-series Rugers over the single action 1911 and Hi-Power you adore so much.

S&WShooter is an example of "MY BRANDS ARE BEST!!! REST ARE CRAP!!!" kind of person. Little experiance yet big talk.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Chuck Adamson. The real life inspiration for Vincent Hanna.==
[[Image:St46 (2).jpg|thumb|350px|none|([[Chuck Adamson]]) as Barry Dorgan in blue blazer in ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]''. Adamson was the real life inspiration for the character Vincent Hanna in ''[[Heat]]''.]]
He retired as a Lt. with the Chicago PD. He was the guy that Micheal Mann modeled Vincent Hanna after. He was a technical advisor on ''[[Heat]]'' and I believe the televison series ''[[Crime Story]]'' which was also produced by Mann.Chuck Adamson passed away on 02/22/2008. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:That's interesting. I remember hearing Hanna was based on a real cop, but didn't know much about him. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

:On the special DVD release of ''Heat'' there is an interview with Adamson. He talks about an actual case that he worked in the early sixties in Chicago and how they ended up taking down the crew in a gun battle. Evidently this case was the inspiration for the television show ''Crime Story'' and the two movies ''L.A. Takedown'' and ''Heat''. Supposedly Adamson and [[Dennis Farina]] worked together when they were both Chicago cops. Just some interesting neat to know trivia. Impress people at parties. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Duct tape? ==

At the beginning, I see DeNiro's Colt Model 654 with duct tape on the handguard. Is there a purpose for it? Because this has always bothered me when I rewatch the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that it's to either make damn sure there are no fingerprints, or help it burn with that incendiary, or help with gripping the gun some way, or just look cool. Knowing Michael Mann, it's probably one of the former three, rather than the latter, and I'm guessing mostly the grip one.-protoAuthor 19:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, we can rule out the first option because De Niro is wearing gloves. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::I thought the duct tape was attaching a stop watch to the rifle, could be wrong though. -Toadvine

Here is what I read on TvTrope's page on gun accessories 'Soldiers often wrap tape around the base of a magazine to make it easier to handle, since it's usually smooth; companies such as Magpul now make slide-on grips, purpose-built magazine baseplates which include grips, and even whole magazines with gripped sides. Other options include transparent polymer magazines so you can more easily see how much ammunition you have left (with the downside that so can everyone else). Tape is also commonly wrapped around the base of a magazine to differentiate one end from another, which can be difficult in the heat of the moment, as most magazines are symmetrical. Tape can also be used to signify different bullet types within the magazine.' --~~

:::Toadvine is correct. He has duct tape on the hand guards because he has a stop watch attached to the rifle, which he uses to time the police response. It has nothing to do with making the rifle easier to hold (and TyTrope's page is talking about '''magazines'''; we're talking about the '''hand guards''', so that discussion is irrelevant). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

As a minor and more-or-less irrelevant point, I wrote more or less that entire page. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 04:28, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Kind of cinematic/firearms related but I remember seeing a movie in the 1980's called "[[L.A. Takedown]]" and when I saw ''[[Heat]]'' I thought they had ripped off the movie. Then I read an article which confirmed Mann had made both and had considered the former a "dress rehearsal" for the latter. Anyways, I remember in ''"Takedown"'' the lead actor in the movie used a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] in the final shootout proving, at least in my opinion, Mann always managed to make the weapons in his productions as exotic as the actors in them. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:Well maybe for LA Takedown, but in his other movies from Heat, Collateral, Miami Vice, and Public Enemies, the weapons weren't really "exotic". Maybe the SIG 552 used in Miami Vice, but all other guns since Heat were pretty normal. To me, it's the style of combat that is shown in Mann's movies that catches your eyes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::Actually I should have said Mann delivers a little more variety in his flicks, television shows. With most "standard" police/crime dramas they have the usual firearms (Glocks, Berettas, AR-15 clones of some sort) whereas Mann adds things like the Strayer-Voigt Tiki in [[Miami Vice]], the FNC in [[Heat]], that sort of thing. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Hanna also used a nickel plated [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "LA Takedown", further proving your point. I know someone using a SIG isn't that uncommon nowadays, but it was rare back in 1989. At that time, only ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Robocop]]'' featured the 226. And this was the first time that a nickel model was used. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I too remember "LA Takedown". I thought it was cool to see the USAS-12 in action. I'm pretty sure it was the USAS-12 and not a Franchi SPAS-15. The only reason being that it was making the firearms writers circuit at the time, and it stood out with the 10-shot magazine onscreen. I still think that part of the anniversary Edition of HEAT should have been inclusion of LA Takedown, as I've not found a Region 1 DVD of it! - BC2009 19 December 2009

::::The shotgun used in "L.A. Takedown" was a SPAS-15, not a USAS-12. There are plenty of screengrabs of the movie online which confirm that the SPAS-15 was used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

I stand corrected. I found video clips of the movie, including the bank heist/shootout. Daniel Baldwin started out with the SPAS-15. Standing erect in a "proper" hi-power rifle stance. God I'm glad to see part of the movie again!

== A social history of the SPAS-15 (from an old fart) ==

Not only was the SPAS-15 considered to be exotic when it was used in ''[[L.A. Takedown]]'', but thanks to an executive order signed by President George Bush (the first one) it wasn't being imported into the United States along with many other foreign manufactured "assault weapons". It's my understanding that very few (I don't have an exact count) were shipped into the U.S. before Bush had an knee jerk reaction to a school shooting in Stockton(?) California in 1988 and stopped the importation of a whole bunch of different firearms based on their cosmetic appearances. I believe the shooter in Stockton used some type of AK-47 variant. Some of you guys are too young to remember the eighties and early nineties. And you're lucky.

There was approximately a fifteen year stretch from 1979 - 1994. It started with a school shooting in San Diego, California on 01/29/1979 (Brenda Ann Spencer. When asked why she stated "I don't like Mondays. Which was the inspiration for the song by the Boomtown Rats "I don't Like Mondays".) and culminating with the signing of the so called "Crime Bill" in 1994 by Clinton in which gunowners couldn't catch a break. Not one. Well there were a couple wins for us, but not many.Everytime you turned around some city or state was (effectively) outlawing gunownership and gunowners were ignored and percieved as whackos. Believe it or not things are better now. Much better in my opinion.

Actually one could argue that the real bad times for American gunowners started with Whitman and his shooting spree from the tower in Austin, Texas or perhaps when the WWII veteran went on a shooting spree in Trenton, New Jersy in 47/48. But I remember the 79 shooting and that's where I started keeping track.

Anyway the SPAS-15 was a victim of that time period. Just look at this as FYI. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
::To be fair, no one was importing the SPAS-15 as of May 1989 when the suspension of importation of 'assault weapons' started (temporarily and then made permanent via very fanciful 're-interpretation of existing law' by the ATF). Bush the elder could only temporarily suspend imports being that they were LEGAL and LAWFUL items. But the ATF managed to figure out a way to re-interpret the 'sporting clause' for imported guns from the Gun Control Act of 1968. But by 1989 there weren't that many SPAS-15 shotguns in the country. They were too expensive, too clunky and shotguns like the Benelli M series of shotguns were the 'cool' tactical shotguns to have. I tried to find a SPAS-15 in 1989 and the only ones out there were used ones, no new ones had been imported for YEARS due to poor sales. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==The new pic that Ben41 uploaded==
With the supposed M16A1 with A2 handguards. that looks like a Heavy barrel, so it would NOT be an A1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So it's an actual A2? Should it be changed?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:How can it be an M16A2? It has an M16A1 receiver.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh? The only difference between an A1 and A2 lower receiver (other than the 3 round burst) is that the back end of the A2 receiver is slightly fatter to resist cracking the ring that holds the rear buffer tube. How can you tell it's an A1 lower? I have to HOLD the two together in person in order to see the difference. Now if it's an SP1 lower, then that can be seen from a distance. If it is an SP1 lower (aka original M16 slab side) then an AR15 Heavy barreled upper receiver was installed on it. Either way, it's a franken gun and should be described in as much detail as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a franken gun. We all know that. But we can't call it an M16A2 because of the lower receiver. I'm talking about the whole receiver here. The A1 lower and the A2 lower are almost the same thing. Except for the grip if you can say that the grip is part of the receiver. But the uppers are very different. I can tell the difference between the M16A2 and the M16 in Heat because of the upper receiver. The M16A2 upper has an Brass defletor and an different rear sight while the M16A1 upper has no deflector and a different sight. Of course I don't really know if the barrel is part of the upper receiver or if it can be removed. I also don't know if the sights can be separeted from the A1 or the A2 receiver, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==Video Game==
:I hope it actually gets made [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803002/]

:I don't know. Movie games tend to suck. It hasn't had a really good track record [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:That's usually when games are released the same day the movie is, causing the developers to rush-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

True. The Godfather games are good but they were able to take their time on both of them.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== Reorganizing Page ==

What do people think about reorganizing page by weapons? Since this is one of the most popular pages, I wanted to see if it's okay before I do it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:What do you have in mind for order? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]\\

I was thinking by type of gun.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 10:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
: With a Page that gets so many views from the general public, I was theorizing about a change in how we normally organize sections. Previously we did it from smallest to largest (Pistols, SMGs, Assault rifles/Rifles, Shotguns, LMGs, HMGs, Destructive Devices, Misc) But the MOST asked questions in the blogosphere/internet deals with the assault rifles used in the street shootout. That one scene spawns the most questions asked by the general (and generally gun ignorant public), so I was wondering if we should begin the page with the most asked about weapons (Assault rifles, SMGS, Shotguns, handguns), basically going in reverse order for this one page. Most of the curiosity revolves around Al Pacino's FNC and the Colt 733s used in the fight. Just a thought. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

: ''BTW, I'm getting a photo of a REAL 733 tonight. Keep an eye out! WOO HOO! (the previous pic was one of my guns that was just a chopped carbine (when I bought it) so the pic is actually a fake 733, just like the C&C HK94s or the fake MP5Ks made from SP89s)'' [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Why not organizing guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Since this is a reference site, I find that it's easier to look it up by the type of weapon rather than by trying to remember when a particular weapon appeared in the film. This doesn't have to be the case for every film, but one with so many weapons featured, I think the way MPM talked about would work best. Let me know what the consensus is. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with Ben41. For pages with 10+ guns I find that it is easier to look for something if it is categorized by type, especially when there are so many screencaps per weapon. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 02:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:What about type of guns and in each section, you list guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Hanna is shooting at Shiherlis ==

[[Image:HeatFNFNC-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanna fires his [[FN FNC|FN FNC-80]] at... nothing. Hanna tells his men before the gunfight to take clear shots and watch their backgrounds. All I see in his firing line is running civilians. This half of the screen was likely not visible in the original release, which wasn't in anamorphic widescreen.]]

In this image, the caption said that Hanna was shooting at no one and looks to be firing at bystanders. In reality, this shot was taken at the exact same time Shiherlis stopped shooting and finally got into the getaway care, and when the suppressing fire from Shiherlis stopped, Hanna came out of cover to shoot back, only to see Shiherlis wasn't there anymore. In my opinion, Hanna seems to be shooting at where Shiherlis was a moment ago before he stepped into the car. The camera angle makes it appear he's shooting directly ahead, when he is shooting towards the getaway car. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

This is definitely a camera angle quirk, my guess is that he is firing at the back window of the vehicle.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

If you look closely, you can see that Shiherlis isn't in the car yet. Watch the film closely, and you see that Hanna opens fire as soon as Shiherlis opens the car door. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:54, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

== Organizing ==

I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Andy McNab training ==

I just saw the behind the scenes feature and I didn't know the famous SAS operator, Andy McNab was behind the training for the De Niro and his bank robber characters and a different SAS guy, Mike Gould, training for police did Al Picino and his guys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

well for an actor , al pacino dose a lot of running in the down town shootout.simmons 8492

What does that have to do with the training he and the other actors recieved? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

well obviously he had to train for that scean, im sure all the actors did , im just suprised that he did it and wasnt needing oxygen after. just saying. simmons 8492

::Oh got ya. Actually Pacino should have been sweating and breathing hard at the end of the bank robbery gunfight. He might also have been shaking a little bit from all the adrenalin blasting through his body. Oh well movie magic. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:44, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

In the movie both Hanna and McCauley are former marines (Nate's intel on Hanna and McCauley's arm tat when he wakes up at Eady's). --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 02:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

put pacino and De Niro arent , so that SAS trainer realy got them in shape. simmons 8492

And you have to think movie production. They do scenes, especially big shootout scenes in sections and not one big go...Most of the time. They also do a lot of retakes as well as position the camera on different angles so it looked like they ran farther than they actually did. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:22, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure where I read this but the whole scene was filmed within a block or two , due to camera tricks it looks like they covered a lots of distance. --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 16:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

thats true , but mann isint like those others . he dosent do the whole cut up shit . he probable had them redo it to get it right . simmons 8492

::It's very well-known that McNab and Gould were the weapons/tactics advisers on this movie. Gould also makes a cameo in the film. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

who dose he play? simmons 8492

In the film we know that both Hanna and McCauley were former US Marines, but would a Marine receive the extent of training needed to be proficient in CQB as portrayed by the two main characters in the film? I mean think about it; Hanna and McCauley would have joined the Marine Corp probably during the 70's or early 80'. Now I am unfamiliar with how exactly US Army and Marine Corp trained soldiers during that time in regards to trigger discipline and CQB, but I know that the training soldiers receive now in CQB is different then the CQB training given in the past. When I asked my father, who joined the Army as an Infantry officer in the late 70's, about the training he received in regards to CQB he told me he didn't really receive CQB training at all. I know that special forces groups such as the British SAS were masters in CQB during those eras but what about regular infantry? I also know that Hanna would have received more training throughout his career as a cop, but what about McCauley? I point out McCauley cause he probably would have left the Marine Corps sometime in the mid 80's, and started his criminal career most likely after he got out. AND YES I KNOW THIS IS JUST A MOVIE. -[[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:Ok, Marine training is a little different from the regular army. I've heard from the older Marines I know about how they joke how the Army "ain't shit" compared to them. The Marines have always been a bit more specialized than the Army since WWII. McCauley most likely honed his CQB tactics during his career as a robber. Obviously he and the others on his team had worked long enough as a unit 02:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

first off , damm second im sure the marines trained him well enough in CQB . i mean being out of the service dosent realy matter . muscel memory kicks in and McCauly rembers all the things he was taught and does them without even thing . simmons 8492

first off , let me just say that heat is one of the best fims , second the entire LA bank job and shoot out , from when De Nero walks in to the bank , til pacino kills Tom sizemore is easly the best shootout in film history . and the training the entire cast went threw is mind blowing , al pacino running to De Neros CQB training , michael mann did an outstanding job . it is my opnion that this is movie gold. simmons 8492

i know this is a bit out of place , but i was watching this last night and wanted to know , when hanna is looking for McCauley in the airfield he fires his sidearm 4 time with three rounds in a nice triangular shape . my question is , where did his first round hit ? once again , i know this is out of place but i fiugred he would have been trained where to shoot him . [[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Cheritto's Galil==
What confused me during the bank shootout was that unlike his partners Chris and McCauley who were armed with Colt 733s, why was Cheritto armed with an IMI Galil ARM during the bank robbery? The person who wrote the Colt 733 section gave a good description of why the crew used Colt 733s in the bank job. However, no one really gave a good reason why Cheritto was armed with a rifle that was a longer barrel and even with its buttstock folded sticked out underneath his blazer when exiting from the bank. Was there a practical tactical reason for Cheritto to be armed with the Galil or did the production simply didn't have enough Colt 733s? [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:'''Story-wise''', the answer is probably that McCauley's crew was unable to purchase enough ARs for all of them. '''Behind the scenes''', my guess is that Michael Mann just really wanted to have a Galil in the movie. Of course, there are short-barreled versions of the Galil available, which would have made more sense for concealment purposes, but maybe Stembridge (the company which supplied the weapons for ''[[Heat]]'') didn't have any short-barreled Galils in stock. Any way, short answer is that there is probably no practical reason. This is a movie. You are over-thinking it too much.

:On a side note, the original script had them all using HK53s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the Galil ARM pretty much a light machine gun variant of the AR and can substan more automatic fire than most light barreled assualt rifle? Maybe the needed some sort of support gunner as he does have five more bullets in his mags and can lay down fire much more than your standard M733.---P226 21:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Too bad we didn't see much shots of him in the movie using the Galil. It would have been nice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Heh, guess we have Pacino to blame for the Galil's lack of use.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 23:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Well Cheritto isn't the top character, he isn't even top billing. Otherwise, he would have been on the movie poster [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Just so happened that this movie was an TV tonight, and I turned on just after the shoot-out started. Would I be correct in assuming that the Galil that is used is a semi automatic only conversion? It seems that he only ever fires with it in SA, and considering the prolific use of full auto by the other characters, if this gun was capable he would have fired in full auto also. It makes the choice of gun even stranger, considering it rules out the possibility that he was using it as a sort of LSW as the original ARM was intended. Suppose it could just be personal preference, also to the layman the Galil has the look of an "Evil" gun, and is used by the sort of person who picks up a child as a shield. This contrasts with the other two more sympathetic robbers, who use the "Good" looking Armalite type weapons. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Galil looks like an "evil" gun? It has an exotic look and feel to it but not "evil" about it. We also don't get any real character development from Cheritto than we do for the other two guys on the team. If you remember the opening armored car robbery, he was using a FAL while the other 2 veterans had their AR-15s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, but you are not the layman in terms of guns. I do not see at as an "evil" gun either, but to the majority of the public, the Galil looks like an AK, so looks evil. Was just my take on the character that he was less sympathetic than the other two, and was a more traditional "bad guy", so this gun was more suited to him. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 17:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

== Odd ==

Has anyone else noticed that, despite his character being married, Pacino is not wearing a wedding ring? I know it's not gun related, I just find this odd, and want to know if anyone else has seen this.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Not odd at all...first its a marriage that isnt so good and second he is a high profile police officer that doesnt need the add attention of a wedding ring.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 02:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Huh. The first reason I get, get would a wedding really attract more attention than the big ass ring on his right hand?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

To a bad guy...a wedding ring on your enemies hand means leverage.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Then doesn't him flat out telling De Niro's character that he's married defeat the purpose?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 18:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

its like what denzel washington said in training day . a criminal sees that and uses it against you. and i think he tells him that so that MCcally that will either make a personial connection or make him tell hanna something about himself.-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Talk:The Sopranos

2011-03-16T20:49:40Z

TheDon: /* 686 or Colt Python? */

How can you tell that all of those Glock 23s are Glock 23s and not Glock 19s? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::I don't know, bore-size, maybe. I didn't identify them, but I think that's how they did it. - [[User:TrueBeliever19|TrueBeliever19]] 01:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

== Does he look like a Bitch? ==
:For the record, neither AR-10s nor DPMS rifles have auto selectors. They are civilian rifles and can only be converted to full auto, yet you see the gun has an auto selector switch. So both these guns are ruled out. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Considering that these are criminals it's not a stretch to imagine that they would make the AR-10 automatic. - [[User:Ithaqua|Ithaqua]]
:::My lingering question is what Marsellus Wallace has to do with it. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 18:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Paulie's Hi Power is an FEG P9R. The Notice the hole in the hammer.

==Non Gun==
Billy's gun doesen't look like a Smith & Weson 4505. It looks more like a Non Gun beretta. Notice the bore is in the middle and not at the top or how you call it. User: Colt

You are absolutely right, it is that without a doubt, I'll change it when I get a chance.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

==Missing==
This page is missing the gun that Patsy Parisi contemplates killing Tony with before urinating in his pool instead.
: It's just currently unidentified. [[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Sopranos,_The#unidentified_revolver]] - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 01:08, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

== 686 or Colt Python? ==

On the page, it shows a picture of Tony holding a revolver on Christopher. It's marked as a S&W 686 snub, but it sports a massive hammer, which i've only seen on Pythons. Anoyone else see it?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:48, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

Talk:The Sopranos

2011-03-16T20:48:38Z

TheDon: /* 686 or Colt Python? */

How can you tell that all of those Glock 23s are Glock 23s and not Glock 19s? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::I don't know, bore-size, maybe. I didn't identify them, but I think that's how they did it. - [[User:TrueBeliever19|TrueBeliever19]] 01:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

== Does he look like a Bitch? ==
:For the record, neither AR-10s nor DPMS rifles have auto selectors. They are civilian rifles and can only be converted to full auto, yet you see the gun has an auto selector switch. So both these guns are ruled out. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Considering that these are criminals it's not a stretch to imagine that they would make the AR-10 automatic. - [[User:Ithaqua|Ithaqua]]
:::My lingering question is what Marsellus Wallace has to do with it. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 18:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Paulie's Hi Power is an FEG P9R. The Notice the hole in the hammer.

==Non Gun==
Billy's gun doesen't look like a Smith & Weson 4505. It looks more like a Non Gun beretta. Notice the bore is in the middle and not at the top or how you call it. User: Colt

You are absolutely right, it is that without a doubt, I'll change it when I get a chance.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

==Missing==
This page is missing the gun that Patsy Parisi contemplates killing Tony with before urinating in his pool instead.
: It's just currently unidentified. [[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Sopranos,_The#unidentified_revolver]] - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 01:08, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

== 686 or Colt Python? ==

On the page, it shows a picture of tony holding a revolver on Christopher. It's marked as a S&W 686 snub, but it sports a massive hammer, which i've only seen on Pythons. Anoyone else see it?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:48, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

Talk:The Sopranos

2011-03-16T20:48:18Z

TheDon: /* 686 or Colt Python? */ new section

How can you tell that all of those Glock 23s are Glock 23s and not Glock 19s? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::I don't know, bore-size, maybe. I didn't identify them, but I think that's how they did it. - [[User:TrueBeliever19|TrueBeliever19]] 01:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

== Does he look like a Bitch? ==
:For the record, neither AR-10s nor DPMS rifles have auto selectors. They are civilian rifles and can only be converted to full auto, yet you see the gun has an auto selector switch. So both these guns are ruled out. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Considering that these are criminals it's not a stretch to imagine that they would make the AR-10 automatic. - [[User:Ithaqua|Ithaqua]]
:::My lingering question is what Marsellus Wallace has to do with it. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 18:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Paulie's Hi Power is an FEG P9R. The Notice the hole in the hammer.

==Non Gun==
Billy's gun doesen't look like a Smith & Weson 4505. It looks more like a Non Gun beretta. Notice the bore is in the middle and not at the top or how you call it. User: Colt

You are absolutely right, it is that without a doubt, I'll change it when I get a chance.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

==Missing==
This page is missing the gun that Patsy Parisi contemplates killing Tony with before urinating in his pool instead.
: It's just currently unidentified. [[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Sopranos,_The#unidentified_revolver]] - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 01:08, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

== 686 or Colt Python? ==

On the page, it shows a picture of tony holding a revolver on Christopher. It's marked as a S&W 686 snub, but it sports a massive hammer, which i've only seen on Pythons. Anoyone else see it?

The Brave One

2011-01-24T01:33:13Z

TheDon: /* Smith & Wesson Model 66 */

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''[[Brave One, The|The Brave One]]'''''
[[Image:BraveOneCover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Brave One'' (2007)]]__TOC__ 

== Kahr K9 ==

Erica Bain ([[Jodie Foster]]) purchases a [[Kahr K9]] from a blackmarket gun dealer ([[Angel Sing]]) to carry for her own protection, eventually using it to kill several criminals as she gradually becomes a vigilante.

[[Image:Kahr.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Kahr K9 9mm]]
[[Image:TBO-First-Gun-Buy-AlleyA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Erica Bain ([[Jodie Foster]]) aims her newly acquired [[Kahr K9]] which she picked up from a black market sale in an alleyway - 9mm]]
[[Image:TBO-Kahr9-AimedA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Erica Bain ([[Jodie Foster]]) aims her [[Kahr K9]] at the head of Cutler ([[Victor Colicchio]])- 9mm]]
[[Image:TBO-Kahr9-headA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A clearer side angle of Erica Bain's [[Kahr K9]] aimed at the head of Cutler ([[Victor Colicchio]])- 9mm]]
[[Image:TBO-Kahr9AlleyA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Erica Bain ([[Jodie Foster]]) prowls the back alley with her matte stainless [[Kahr K9]] pistol - 9mm]]
[[Image:TBO-Kahr9backA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A back shot of Bain holding her matte stainless [[Kahr K9]] pistol very loosely in her fingers as she peers around a corner - 9mm. This is appropriate since Bain is completely untrained and has started using her pistol with no formal training whatsoever.]]

===Kahr K9 Digital Gun flashes===
It is noteworthy that Foster never really fires her Kahr K9 throughout the movie. Every time she fires, it is a digital flash. Probably easier due to the restrictive New York City filming locations.
[[Image:TBO-CGI-Flash-FosterA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Erica Bain ([[Jodie Foster]]) with an obvious digital gun flash from her Kahr K9]]

== Glock 19 ==
Detective Mercer ([[Terrence Howard]]) has a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] as his standard service pistol. He gives it to Erica Bain to kill a gang member in the climax.
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TBO-Glock19HandoffA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Detective Mercer ([[Terrence Howard]]) hands off his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] to Erica Bain ([[Jodie Foster]]) so that she can shoot Lee ([[Luis Da Silva Jr.]]) - 9mm]]
[[Image:TBO-Glock19FosterA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Erica Bain ([[Jodie Foster]]) about to shoot Lee ([[Luis Da Silva Jr.]]) with a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] - 9mm]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 66 ==
Erica Bain's first action as a vigilante involves her defending herself from a murderous thug armed with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nosed Revolver]] with a 2.5" barrel and aftermarket Black custom grips - .357 magnum.
[[Image:Mod66wPachmayr.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub nosed revolver with Pachmayr Grips - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:TBO-RobberRevolver01a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Sandy Combs ([[Larry Fessenden]]) aims his S&W Model 66 Revolver, with 2.5" barrel, at his wife, Ida Combs, before shooting her five times, leaving just one round left in the handgun - .357 magnum. '''In the film, the police describe the shots as .38 special''', which is completely understandable and usable by a .357 magnum revolver.]]
[[Image:TBO-RobberDigitalFlashesA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Sandy Combs ([[Larry Fessenden]]) shoots Ida Combs ([[An Nguyen]]) at close range. Like before, the gun flashes are '''digital CGI special effects''' and not blanks, however it is probably for safety purposes, considering how close he is to the victim.]]
[[Image:TBO-RobberRevolver02a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sandy Combs ([[Larry Fessenden]]) notices a noise in the store after killing his wife, while gripping his S&W Model 66 Revolver - .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:TBO-RobberRevolver04a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Like yet another untrained individual, Sandy Combs ([[Larry Fessenden]]) nervously grips his S&W Model 66 Revolver in an unusual manner when looking for the person in the store - .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:TBO-RobberRevolverFloorA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the Model 66 revolver, here the custom black grips are visible - .357 magnum.]]

==M1911A1==
* A [[M1911A1]] pistol is seen behind the glass counter at a gun store when Erica ([[Jodie Foster]]) attempts to buy a weapon.

==Steyr GB==
* Seen behind the glass counter at a gun store.
[[Image:TBO-Gunstore01A.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Seen behind the glass at the gunstore: Left to right - M1911A1, (Tbd), Steyr GB Pistol]]

==Beretta 92FS==
* A [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol is seen behind the glass counter at a gun store when Erica ([[Jodie Foster]]) attempts to buy a weapon. Two of them are visible, one with wooden grips, one with black plastic factory grips.

[[Image:TBO-Gunstore02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Seen behind the glass at the gunstore: Left to right - Steyr GB Pistol, Beretta 92FS with Wooden grips.]]

==Makarov PM==
* Seen behind the glass counter at a gun store.
[[Image:TBO-Gunstore03.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Seen behind the glass at the gunstore: Left to right - Beretta 92FS with Wooden grips, Beretta 92FS with black grips, Makarov PM.]]

==Smith & Wesson 39==
* Seen behind the glass counter at a gun store.

==Tanfoglio TZ-75==
* Seen behind the glass counter at a gun store.

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB==
* Seen behind the glass counter at a gun store.

[[Image:TBO-Gunstore05a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Seen behind the glass at the gunstore: Left to right - S&W Model 39, Tanfoglio TZ-75, Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB.]]

==Smith & Wesson 4506==
* Seen behind the glass counter at a gun store.
[[Image:S&W4506 PF BruceW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Early model Smith & Wesson 4506 - .45 ACP. This was an actual screen used pistol that was used by [[Ving Rhames]] and [[Bruce Willis]] in ''[[Pulp Fiction]]'']]
[[Image:TBO-Gunstore06a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Seen behind the glass at the gunstore: Left to right - S&W 4506, Astra 400, (TBD)]]

==Astra 400==
* Seen behind the glass counter at a gun store.

==Smith & Wesson 659==
* Seen behind the glass counter at a gun store.
[[Image:TBO-Gunstore07a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Seen behind the glass at the gunstore: Left to right - Astra 400, Heckler&Koch HK4, Smith & Wesson 659.]]

[[Image:TBO-GunstoreWall01a.jpg|thumb|none|600px| '''Help me out here on Identifying these pistols '''']]
The black pistol above (from left to right) is a Ruger MKIII678 (Cal. 22 LR), the pistol next to it is a CZ 83 (Calibre 7,65 mm Browning; 9 mm Browning or 9 mm Makarov)
:I think the bottom left revolver is a Smith & Wesson .32 Double Action Second Model Revolver --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
::I believe you are correct. The gun above it looks like a Ruger Mk II, and the gun next to it looks like a Cz 83 pistol. The others gun are at too great an angle to ID. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Curses. I was afraid of that. You still have some of the best eagle eyes on IMFDB for Identifying hard to see guns.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay, just for you I turned up the volume on my sight powers ;). The gun next to the S&W is actually the reflection of it in the glass, so that gun's IDed. The gun next to the reflection looks like a Smith & Wesson, likely the 659 since the grips don't wrap all the way around. And the gun laying on the top shelf next to the Cz pistol is very hard to see, but bears some resemblance to a Walther P38. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Green Screen shots==
[[Image:TBO-GreenscreenJodieA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|What is interesting is how many GREEN screen shots there are of Foster shooting, probably the most expedient way to film scenes of firing weapons in a city (New York City) that is notorious for being difficult to fire live guns with blanks.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Crime]]

The Punisher (2004)

2010-12-21T22:22:29Z

TheDon: /* Smith & Wesson Model 627 */

'''Check the discussion section for list of Cutlery and Vehicles used in the film.'''

'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[The Punisher (2004)]]'':'''

[[Image:PunisherDVDextendedcut.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Punisher (2004): Extended Cut (2005)'']]

=Pistols=
==Colt M1911A1 (customized)==
Frank Castle ([[Thomas Jane]]) uses a pair of heavily customized [[M1911A1]]s as his main sidearms in the film. His father Frank Castle Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]]) devoted some dialogue to the guns, commenting on how he bored the chambers, customized the triggers, and added some thread-on compensators. Some other notable feattures are their Novak night sights, the ''Smith and Alexander'' extended magazine wells, combat hammers and combat triggers, ''Kings Gun Works'' extended slide stops and extended slide releases, as well as ''Ed Brown'' Memory Grove beavertail grip safeties and front cocking serrations. The leg holster is not a Safariland 6004 but a custom Blade-Tech Tactical Thigh Holster.

An E-mail from the current owner of the guns explains:
'''"The pistols are 1911's and the slide is marked COLT'S GOVERNMENT MODEL. The sight attached to the slide is marked NOVAK'S upside down. The slide is the same shape as a normal 1911's but on the sides towards the left and right there is a grid design."'''

[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The two blank firing prop Colt M1911A1s used in the film - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Colts_1-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The two rubber prop Colt M1911A1s used in the film for stunt work.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. keeps his two custom M1911A1 pistols in a glass display case.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes the two Colt M1911A1s out of his father's display case after his family is massacred by the Saints.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies his Colt M1911A1s when he faces off with Dante and Spoon in the Saint building.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his right M1911A1 at Spoon.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his left M1911A1 at Dante.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An over-the-shoulder view of Castle taking out the two men with his .45s.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After facing the two men, one of Castle's .45s jams. Maybe he should have used different ammo so it wouldn't misfeed on him.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle keeps his hand close to his back-holstered .45 when Harry Heck enters the diner.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle dishes Sardines from a can with his .45 close by.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads his right .45 when preparing to face Saint in the club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads his left .45 when preparing to face Saint in the club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his .45 in the club. Thomas Jane's weapons training is clearly evident.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle does a mid-mag change with his .45...]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and pointlessly racks the slide despite having a round in the chamber, which he loses for doing this.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle with his .45 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his .45.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle does another mid-mag reload and pointlessly racks a live round from the chamber. He loads the first round of his mags with a hollow point round, so he chambers it instead of taking the risk of having the round jam his gun. ]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle pops a round into a half-dead thug as he walks by.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle quick-draws his .45 and takes out Howard Saint.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle decides not to commit suicide after imagining his wife witnessing him die.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox (flashpaper)==
Howard Saint ([[John Travolta]]) is seen using a [["Non Guns"|Beretta 92FS Inox "Flashpaper"]] gun, which is designed to imitate the flash and smoke of a blank gun minus the loud sound and dangerous wad which fires from the barrel. Instead of swapping to a real Beretta, it appears to stay a flash-paper gun throughout the film, so I'm seperating it from the real Inoxes used.
[[Image:Ng pistol beretta92 SN.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flashpaper Beretta 92FS Inox.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Howard Saint uses his flashpaper Beretta 92FS Inox to execute the man supposed to be watching his son when he was killed.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint executes the man with his flashpaper Beretta.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint tries to draw his flashpaper Beretta when facing Castle near the end of the film, but isn't quick enough in comparison.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
The stainless steel [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS Inox]] makes several appearances in the film in the hands of nameless thugs. The most notable user is Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]), one of Saint's hired thugs, who tries to draw it when facing Castle with Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) at his side in the Saint building.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A money launderer in the Saint Building tries to reach for his Beretta 92FS Inox when Castle enters.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante prepares to draw his Beretta 92FS Inox when facing Castle in the Saint Building.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug in the dance club fires his Beretta Inox at Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Beretta Inox at Castle, and manages to break his M4.]]

==LeMat 1861==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] percussion revolver.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LeMat 1861 Revolver - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A LeMat is seen to the top right.]]

==Colt Officers ACP==
When the FBI raids the weapons transfer, Otto Kreig (Frank Castle under-cover) draws a tutone [[M1911|Colt Officers ACP]] which apears to be customized, before being "killed".
[[Image:Colt Officers ACP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Officers ACP - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherKimberCopII.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle as Kreig draws his Colt Officers ACP. Castle seems to have a fondness for 1911 guns (smart man).]]
[[Image:PunisherOfficersACP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Kreig" tries to fire his Officers ACP at the officers but is "gunned-down" first.]]

==Colt 1851 Navy==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] percussion revolver.
[[Image:1851Navy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt 1851 Navy - .36 caliber.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Navy is seen to the top left.]]

==Colt Single Action Army==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[Colt Single Action Army]] 5 1/2" Artillery.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Army 5 1/2" Artillery - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt SAA Artillery is pictured in the middle.]]

==Glock 17==
The [[Glock|Glock 17]] 2nd generation is seen multiple times in the film by nameless thugs but is most notabley seen used by Jimmy Weeks ([[A. Russell Andrews]]), who they delve deeper into character-wise in the extended cut.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Jimmy Weeks fires a blank loaded Glock 17 at Castle, under cover as Otto Kreig, to fake his death.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the money launderers keeps a Glock 17 nearby.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks with a Glock 17 in his FBI holster. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This thug who later gets a paper-cutter to the head holds a Glock 17 like he's never seen a gun in his life.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug walks by "Spacker" Dave ([[Ben Foster]]) when they search for Castle in his apartment.]]

==Glock 18==
One of the weapons seen in Castle's arsenal is a chrome slide [[Glock|Glock 18]] 3rd Generation. (while it is not confirmed as a Glock 18, the 33 round magazine and stock indicate it possibly is, or is supposed to be.) Sadly, he is never seen using it despite being seen preparing it before leaving to assault Saint's club.
[[Image:Glock18c 01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 18C - 9mm. Basically the same gun with ported compensator cuts in the slide.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A chrome-slide Glock 18 is among Castle's arsenal.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock 18 is seen as the camera pans over Castle's arsenal. Note how it is fitted with a stock and a 33 round magazine.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle attaches the stock to the Glock 18.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads a 33 round mag into the Glock 18.]]

==Glock 19==
One of the thugs in Saint's dance club is seen using a compact [[Glock|Glock 19]] 2nd generation, which based on the angle appears too short to be the same Glock 17 used in other scenes.

[[Image:Glock19_2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 19 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Glock 19 at Castle and over does the recoil too much.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock19-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug tries to reload his Glock but is sent flying by two 12 gauge rounds before he succeeds.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP45==
Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) is seen with a [[Heckler & Koch USP]] handgun in his holster when facing Castle in the Saint building. Based on the length of the grip, it looks the the .45 ACP model, the USP45.
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch USP45 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherUSP45.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A USP45 is seen in Spoon's holster.]]

==Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod. 0==
Seen fitted with a suppressor in Castle's arsenal is a [[Heckler & Koch Mk 23 Mod 0|Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod. 0]]. Reportedly, one of Saint's thugs that walks into Castle's apartment is armed with the same prop, although it is never seen closely.
[[Image:PunisherMk23SOCOMprop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod 0 rubber prop used in the film.]]
[[Image:PunisherSOCOMk23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM is seen to the left at the bottom of his customized M1911s.]]

==Heckler & Koch P2000SK==
One of the thugs in the club is seen armed with a [[Heckler & Koch P2000|Heckler & Koch P2000SK]] and tries to use it before he recieves a .45 between the eyes from Castle.
[[ Image:H&KP200SK Right.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P2000SK 9x19mm]]
[[Image:PunisherP2000sk-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This thug armed with a P2000SK gets a bullet in the head before he can fire his gun.]]
[[Image:PunisherP2000sk-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug falls back dead with the P2000SK still in hand.]]

==Ruger SP101==
One of the money launderers in the Saint Building tries to draw a [[Ruger SP101]] revolver when Castle walks in.
[[Image:RugerSP101.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger SP101 - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherRugerSP101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The launderer to the left tries to draw a Ruger SP101.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
John Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) uses a nickel-plated [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P226]] throughout the film. He most notabley uses it when he puts a bullet in Castle's chest, claiming "This time they're not blanks."
[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Nickel - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Saint executes a woman with his SIG-Sauer P226...]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...which stovepipes on the second shot.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerp226-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John's SIG-Sauer P226 is seen in his shoulder holster as he beats on Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John prepares to execute Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle has a flashback of when he is shot in the chest. The bullet apparently just missed his heart.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John becomes pinned under a book-shelf when Castle assaults the club and his P226 is just out of reach. Note double stack bulges.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
When Castle is "safe-guarding" his apartment, he places a stainless steel [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] into a custom made drawer launcher, which kicks out the drawer when the counter is tapped. Castle tries to grab this gun when he is attacked by "The Russian" ([[Kevin Nash]]), but he grabs a weight and smashes the barrel flat.

The weapon crushed by Kevin Nash in the movie was a real S&W Model 66 that was actually destroyed just for the film.

[[Image:IMG 1561.JPG|thumb|none|400px|A Smith & Wesson Model 66 in .357 Magnum that was destroyed for ''The Punisher''. This is the actual gun that was smashed by The Russian in the movie, as you can tell by the barrel.]]
[[Image:IMG 1562.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Another view of the Smith & Wesson Model 66 that was used (and smashed) in ''The Punisher''. This image gives a better view of the crushed barrel.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle tests the launcher drawer with his Smith & Wesson Model 66.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle tries to retrieve his Smith & Wesson Model 66 when fighting The Russian.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While it is blurry, you can see the S&W Model 66 is cleary crushed before The Russian smashes it.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle looks at the bent Model 66.]]

==Taurus Model 689==
Harry Heck ditches his Striker when Castle totals his GTO and gets out, armed with a [[Taurus Model 689]]. Castle pulls out a spring loaded stilleto (basically an amatuer ballistics knife) and fires it into his neck before he can use it. Castle than takes the gun and leaves in Heck's Satellite.

[[Image:Taurus_M689.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 689 with 4" Barell (one in film is 8") - .44 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherHHrevolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck walks up to Castle with his Taurus Model 689 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherHHrevolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck points his Taurus Model 689 at Castle.]]

''[Edit: This pistol actually appears to be a Dan Wesson. Notice the placement of the front sight, the flat profile of the vent ribs on top, the shape of the barrel (particularly the shape of the underlug) and the shape of the grip.]''

==Smith & Wesson Model 627==
Castle is seen in the extended cut giving Jimmy Weeks ([[A. Russell Andrews]]) a Smith & Wesson Model 627. Weeks takes the gun and tries to kill Castle, but the gun is empty. Castle gives Weeks a single bullet and watches as he commits suicide for ratting him out to Saint and having his family killed because of it.
[[Image:Sw627.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 627 Performance Center .357 Magnum (right side)]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle sits in Weeks' house with the 627 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle leaves the 627 on the chair for Weeks to pick up.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks tries to shoot Castle but the gun is empty.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle gives Weeks a bullet and watches. The bullet looks like a .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks loades the bullet into the 627.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks prepares to commit suicide with the 627.]]

==Walther PPK==
Bobby Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) keeps a stainless steel [[Walther PPK]] as his weapon. He is killed before he ever gets a chance to use it.
[[Image:PPK_stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther PPK - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby Saint sits a the bar in the dance club with his Walther PPK next to him. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby tries to de-escalate the situation and gets mowed down for it.]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby lays dead with his Walther PPK at his side.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Cobray M11/9==
One of the arms dealers is armed with a [[MAC-10|Cobray M11/9]] when the FBI raids the exchange. Bobby Saint points his gun at him by mistake and is shot by him in return.
[[Image:M11 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cobray M11/9 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM119-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Cobray M11/9 at Bobby Saint.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM119-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug gets filled with bullets from the surrounding FBI agents after firing his Cobray M11/9.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A5==
Some of the FBI agents that make the illegal weapons sale bust are armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A5|Heckler & Koch MP5A5]] submachine guns. One of the thugs in the club is also seen with one.
[[Image:H&KMP5A5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A5 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5A5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer to the left fires his MP5A5, which has a sight mounted way above his eyeline.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5A5-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers armed almost entirely with MP5A5s.]]
[[Image:the punisherMp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug is seen with an MP5A5.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5SD4==
One of the FBI agents is seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler & Koch MP5SD4]], which is a full-stock MP5A4 with an integral sound suppressor.
[[Image:H&KMP5A4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A4 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5SD4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer to the right fires his MP5SD4.]]

==Intratec TEC-9==
Some of the hitters who help massacre Castle's family are armed with [[TEC-9]]s, which clearly have sling swivels (although these shots don't show them), which a TEC-DC9 lacks. They were likely converted to full-auto by the armorer for the film.
[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TEC-9 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherTEC9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter approaches the family reunion party with his TEC-9 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherTEC9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter fires his TEC-9 at Castle and Castle Sr. while taking cover behind a grill.]]

==Steyr SPP==
Several thugs in the film are seen armed with [[Steyr TMP|Steyr SPP]] pistols, which appear to be converted to full-auto based on the one instance it is seen firing.
[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr SPP - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter finds a family cowering under a house and heartlessly executes them with his Steyr SPP.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of him firing the SPP.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A half-dead thug holds an SPP in the club.]]

==Micro Uzi==
Several of [[Uzi|Micro Uzis]] are seen used by Saint's men when they massacre Castle's family. Most notably seen using them are Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]) and Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) when they both fire their Micros at Maria Castle's ([[Samantha Mathis]]) car, and manage to flip it with them.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Micro Uzi - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]) shoots a man trying to escape on a boat with his Micro Uzi.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante fires his Micro Uzi while Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) prepares to.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante and Spoon fire their Micro Uzis at Maria Castle as she tries to drive away with Will Castle ([[Marcus Johns]]).]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante and Spoon fire their Micro Uzis.]]

=Shotguns=
==Armsel Protecta==
Harry Heck ([[Mark Collie]]) is seen using what looks like an [[Armsel Striker and variants|Armsel Protecta]] to fire shots at Castle's Pontiac GTO, but he luckily has metal shields that slide up over the windows to protect himself.
[[Image:Protecta.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armsel Protecta - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherArmselstriker-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harry Heck fires his Armsel Protecta at Castle in his GTO.]]
[[Image:PunisherArmselstriker-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck fires the Protecta at Castle as he drives away.]]

==Ithaca 37 (pistol gripped)==
Lincoln ([[Tom Nowicki]]) uses an [[Ithaca 37]] shotgun with nickel plating and a pistol grip throughout the film. It is not a Stakeout model, as it is too long. When using it to shoot Castle's vest in the dance club, he puts two 12 gauge rounds into his body armor from less than 10ft away. Though this might seem impossible, a level IIIA Vest can easily withstand shots as powerful as 00 Buckshot.
[[Image:Stakeout-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" - 12 gauge. (closest to model in film).]]
[[Image:PunisherIthaca37-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln ([[Tom Nowicki]]) shoots Castle Sr. in the back with his nickel-plated, pistol gripped Ithaca 37 shotgun.]]
[[Image:PunisherIthaca37-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires his Ithaca 37 into Castle's vest.]]

== J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe (sawed-off) ==
When Saint's men massacre Castle's family, one of the assassins is armed with a sawed-off [[J.C. Higgins Model 20#J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe|J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe]] Field shotgun with a cut down Ribbed barrel and stock. Castle picks up the same Mossberg and tries to save his wife and son. Castle fires off four shots, which pattern like buckshot rounds, before running dry.

[[Image:SearTedwilliams21.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Full size J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter looks for hidden family members with his sawed-off J.C. Higgins Model 21 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his J.C. Higgins Model 21 at the hitters in the Ford Pickup.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The action of the J.C. Higgins Model 21 appears to have engine grooves and the wooden forend has more fanciful engraving than a standard field gun. This was at one point a higher end shotgun before it was cut down.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle pumps the J.C. Higgins Model 21 , and clearly no fresh round chambers.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''CLICK!'' Castle's J.C. Higgins Model 21 goes empty when he needs it the most.]]
Trivia: When Castle first begins firing, he racks the shotgun, ejecting a live round from the chamber, which would have greatly helped him out when he faces the men as they exit the truck.

==Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser"==
When Castle goes to the Saint Building to dump all his money into the street, he takes a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 590 "Compact Crusier"]], which is the perfect gun to stash in his trench coat. He uses the gun to force Saint's money launderers to dump the money from the top floor and "rain 100 dollar bills."
[[Image:MossbergCompactCruiser.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle points his Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" at the money launderers.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Get up.... wheel the money out."]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle puts down his Compact Cruiser and then turns his back to them to cut open the window... with the gun still there. Not very smart thinking.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle forces the men to throw the money out the window.]]

==Savage/Stevens 311A==
When the hitters begin to massacre Castle's family, Castle Sr. takes out two [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Savage/Stevens 311As]] for himself and Frank. The two both uses them to great effect and Castle scores two kills with his, one of which by means of blowing up a propane tank on a grill. They are smooth-bore shotguns because they are clearly seen loading birdshot shotgun rounds into them. Based on slight difference in the trigger guard and pistol grip/tang area, these appear to be Spanish Eibar copies.
[[Image:Savage-Stevens-311-Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Savage/Stevens 311A - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle digs out some 12 gauge birdshot heavy game loads from a Remington box.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads 12 gauge rounds into his Savage/Stevens 311A. Note the fired primer, this is a dummy inert round.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle shoots the Mossberg wielding thug with his S/S311A, loading it just in time. It looks like he fired both barrels at once. Ouch.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like all typical shotguns in movies, Castle's gun is shown capable of sending this guy flying. They are birdshot none the less (although no type of shotgun round would send someone airborne anyway unless it was a high explosive round).]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Both Castle and Castle Sr. with the S/S311As at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. aims his S/S311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle and Castle Sr. fire their S/S311As.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-8dent.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes aim with his 311A. Someone seems to have dented the barrel more than half-way down the gun.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. with his 311A at the ready before being shot by Lincoln.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle wraps the 311As in a rug when he arms up after the massacre.]]

==Sawed-Off Savage/Stevens 311A==
Castle appears to saw down one of his 311As later in the film, and turns it into a sawed-off shotgun. Castle brings this gun with him when he raids Saint's club, holstered on his back, and manages to kill one of his thugs with it.
[[Image:SS311A sawed-off-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sawed-off Savage/Stevens 311A - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the chamber on his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle runs a bore mop through his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle looks down the barrels of his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads up his sawed-off 311A when preparing to face Saint's club.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his sawed-off 311A in the club, and of course, send the thug flying off his feet.]]

=Rifles=
==Heckler & Koch G36C==
When Bobby Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) tries to impress his father by buying guns, he meets with Otto Kreig (Frank Castle under-cover), who shows Bobby four suitcases loaded with [[Heckler & Koch G36|Heckler & Koch G36C]] assault rifles. I didn't bother adding all four suitcases because it looks like they just reused the same shot four times and flipped it twice.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherG36C-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kreig's thugs open up the briefcases loaded with H&K G36Cs.]]
[[Image:PunisherG36C-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|They then open the other cases. Note how the ejection port is not on the right side and the folding stock is in the wrong direction, the instant result of reversing the image.]]

==M4A1==
Frank Castle is seen using an [[M4A1]] carbine assault rifle fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]] and an Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sight when assaulting Howard Saint's club ''Saints and Sinners''. He loses use of this weapon when a bad guy's bullet hits the receiver and ruins the gun.

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 with Aimpoint CompM2 scope and fitted with an M203 launcher - 5.56x45mm and 40mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle is seen in a military picture in his classified file with an M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle's M4A1 is seen in his inventory as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle racks the charging handle on his M4A1 when loading up to face Saint in his dance club.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the bottom floor of the club with his M4A1. It seems smarter for him to use his bow as to not break stealth before facing the mass on the second floor. He also appears to lack trigger discipline.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle with his M4A1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle assaults the club with his M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies his M4A1 before it gets hit by a bullet.]]

===Special===
[[Image:Punisher-SF-M4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thomas Jane practices weapons techniques with his M4A1.]]
[[Image:Punisher-SF-M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jane loads up his M4A1 for weapons training.]]

==M16A2 with an M203 Grenade Launcher==
On the original movie poster for the film, Castle is seen armed with an [[M16|M16A2]] assault rifle fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]].
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A2 (with A2 rear Sight, brass deflector, heavy barrel and longer buttstock) 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[Image:PunisherDVDcover.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Castle of the movie poster armed with an M16A2/M203.]]

=Other=
==Cobray M79LF==
Seen next to the M203 launcher in Castle's arsenal is what appear to be a [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray M79LF]] flare launcher with the stock folded up.
[[Image:CM79LFSide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cobray M79LF - 37mm Flare.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM79LF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cobray M79LF to the right, under the M4.]]

==Compound Bow==
While not a firearm, Castle does some nice stealth kills with a compound bow. Anyone who knows what type is welcome to comment.
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A compound bow and arrows are seen in Castle's inventory when the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle assembles his compound bow when preparing to assault Saint's club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires the compound bow, shooting an arrow right through a guard's neck.Ouch. ]]

==M18A1 Claymore==
Castle has an [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personal mine among his arsenal, and uses one with a beeper detonator to blow up one of Saint's money transporting boats.
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18A1 Claymore Anti-Personal Mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle prepares an M18A1 Claymore Mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Claymore mine is seen in Castle's armory as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Saint picks up one of Castle's Claymore Mines. Note how it has a beeper detonator with a "555" number.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John realizes what the Claymore is and dives off the boat, just barely escaping.]]

==M67 "Baseball" Hand Grenade==
Among the weapons in his arsenal, Castle has a handful of [[M67 hand grenade]]s, one of which he keeps attached under the sink in his bathroom. He also keeps a switch near by which shuts the door so he can throw the grenade out and shut the door to protect himself from the blast. This technique proves inefective when he tries it on The Russian, who uses a pipe like a baseball bat and whacks the "baseball" right back into the bathroom. Castle just barely makes it into the bathtub to avoid the blast.
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M67 "Baseball" Hand Grenade.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle attaches an M67 "Baseball" Grenade to the sink in his bathroom.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Four M67 Baseballs are seen in Castle's arsenal as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies the M67 grenade to throw at The Russian.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To Castle's horror, the grenade comes right back into the bathroom, ready to blow.]]

==M203 grenade launcher==
Castle's [[M16|M4A1]] is seen fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]], which do to such close proximity battles is never used during the shootout in the club. The original movie poster also prominently feattures Castle holding an [[M16|M16A2]] fitted with an M203.
[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 grenade launcher - 40mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherDVDcover.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Castle on the movie poster with an M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:PunisherM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads a 40mm round into his M203. One wonders what good it will do him in such close quarters...]]
[[Image:PunisherM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle closes the breach on his M203.]]

==Unknown AP Mines==
Castle brings some Anti-Personel (AP) mines with him to assault the dance club. One he plants on the main entrance, which is set off when someone tries to run out. The second mine he sends up the dumb-waiter hidden in a wine bucket. When the man goes to pull the wine out, the whole rooms blows up. The last mine he uses to leave John Saint at the mercy of his own willpower. He claims the AP mine weighs 8lbs, which isn't much, but then he outstretches his arm and ties the fuse to a hanging piece of insolation. He then says how holding that mine up with an outstretched arm would be a "hell of a work out."
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants an AP mine on the front entrance of the dance club.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A henchman pulls out the wine bottle from the bucket, unbeknownst to him it is rigged to an AP mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The henchman than activates the mine and blows the room to hell.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another henchman tries to run out the front door and sets off the AP mine, making yet another devistating explosion to the building.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle puts the AP Mine in the pinned down John Saint's outstretched arm.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the mine in John's hand.]]

==Unknown Remote Mines==
Castle brings an unfathomable number of Remote Detonation mines with him, which he plants on all the cars in the parking lot. When he sets them all off, a sky view reveals "The Punisher" skull drawn with flame.
[[Image:PunisherRemotemines-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the remote mines in his arsenal inventory.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants mines under the cars. They appear to stick using magnetics.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants another mine under a car.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle sets off the mines in the parking lot with the remote detonator.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After blowing up the cars in the lot, the sky view reveals this.]]

=ANIMATED SEGMENT=
An extra on the extended cut is an animated segment built to illustrate the deleted scene of Frank Castle serving in the Gulf War, during a battle in Kuwait. The following guns are seen in this segment.

Behind the scenes note: The weapons used in the flashback animated sequence were a mix of airsoft, metal replica, and a few real guns. The soldiers shot on green screen were airsofters, not actors, and not real military.

==Pistols==
===Beretta M9===
A [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta M9]] is seen used by the U.S. officer to attempt to kill the captured enemy soldiers but he is stopped by Castle.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer prepares to execute the enemies with his M9.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer about to pull the trigger.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle forces the officer to fire his M9 into the ground, which was strangley loaded with only one bullet.]]

===Beretta 92G Elite II===
Seen in the hands of a U.S. officer is a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92G Elite II]]. He is seen loading it up and then it disapears, being replaced by a simpler M9. The 92G Elite II was not issued during the Gulf War nor was it even made yet so that's somewhat of an anachronism.

This is a Airsoft gun its a Tokyo Mauri Tac Master --[[User:Sarkardarkstar|Sarkardarkstar]] 18:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Beretta 92G Elite II.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92G Elite II - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-BerettaElite-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer loads a magazine into his 92G Elite II. Note how the decocking safety is activated, yet the hammer is up. Also, the back sight has been removed.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-BerettaElite-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer chambers his 92G Elite II, finger on the trigger like no real soldier would do.]]

==Submachine Guns==
===Heckler & Koch MP5SD3===
Some U.S. soldiers are seen armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3]]s. Castle is briefly seen firing one, in a MASSIVE continuity error.
[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-MP5SD-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with an MP5SD3.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-MP5SD-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his MP5SD3, which switched from another gun.]]

==Shotguns==
===Remington 870===
Some U.S. soldiers are seen with a folding stock [[Remington 870]] shotgun and Castle grabs one and charges an enemy position with it.
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 with extended mag tube and folding stock - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier armed with a folding stock Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes cover with his 870 in hand.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle holds a freshly fired 870.]]

==Rifles==
===AK-47===
During the deleted animated segment taking place in Kuwait, an enemy soldier can be seen firing a gun that vaguely resembles an [[AK-47]].
[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-47 - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires an AK-47 in the animated segment.]]

===Colt Model 715===
One of the enemy soldiers is seen firing an M16 with an A1 sight but with an A2 reciever, making it a [[M16|Colt Model 715]].
[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 715 (known as the C7 for Canadian Armed Forces) - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt725-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires his Colt 715 at the U.S. soldiers.]]

===Colt Model 723===
Some of the U.S. soldiers are seen firing [[M16|Colt Model 723]] carbines. Some of the enemies are seen using them as well.
[[Image:Colt-M-16-A-2-m723.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 723 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the back fires a suppressed Colt 723.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier fires his suppressed Colt 723.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fire a Colt 723. This shot was reversed so I flipped it proper.]]

===M14===
A U.S. soldier is seen firing an [[M14 Rifle]] briefly.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier fires his M14.]]

===M16A2/M203===
Both Jimmy Weeks and an unknown soldier are seen using [[M16|M16A2]] rifles fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]]s.
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A2 with M203 - 5.56x45mm/40mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with an M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks with his M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks fires his M16A2/M203. This shot was reversed so I flipped it proper.]]

===Norinco Type 69 RPG===
An enemy soldier is seen firing an [[RPG-7|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] with an over-sized warhead. It can be most easily identified by its single grip and carry handle as opposed to the dual grips on an RPG-7.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 70mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires a Norinco Type 69 RPG. Note over-sized warhead.]]

==Other==
===M26 "Lemon" Hand Grenade===
A U.S. soldier is seen with a [[M26 hand grenade|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade]] on his belt, which the enemy prisoner pulls off his belt and commits suicide with, killing everyone but Castle and Weeks.
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M26hg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The terrorist goes to grab the soldiers M26 grenade.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category: Action Movie]]
[[Category:Crime]]

The Punisher (2004)

2010-12-21T22:20:12Z

TheDon: /* Smith & Wesson Model 627 */

'''Check the discussion section for list of Cutlery and Vehicles used in the film.'''

'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[The Punisher (2004)]]'':'''

[[Image:PunisherDVDextendedcut.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Punisher (2004): Extended Cut (2005)'']]

=Pistols=
==Colt M1911A1 (customized)==
Frank Castle ([[Thomas Jane]]) uses a pair of heavily customized [[M1911A1]]s as his main sidearms in the film. His father Frank Castle Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]]) devoted some dialogue to the guns, commenting on how he bored the chambers, customized the triggers, and added some thread-on compensators. Some other notable feattures are their Novak night sights, the ''Smith and Alexander'' extended magazine wells, combat hammers and combat triggers, ''Kings Gun Works'' extended slide stops and extended slide releases, as well as ''Ed Brown'' Memory Grove beavertail grip safeties and front cocking serrations. The leg holster is not a Safariland 6004 but a custom Blade-Tech Tactical Thigh Holster.

An E-mail from the current owner of the guns explains:
'''"The pistols are 1911's and the slide is marked COLT'S GOVERNMENT MODEL. The sight attached to the slide is marked NOVAK'S upside down. The slide is the same shape as a normal 1911's but on the sides towards the left and right there is a grid design."'''

[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The two blank firing prop Colt M1911A1s used in the film - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Colts_1-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The two rubber prop Colt M1911A1s used in the film for stunt work.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. keeps his two custom M1911A1 pistols in a glass display case.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes the two Colt M1911A1s out of his father's display case after his family is massacred by the Saints.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies his Colt M1911A1s when he faces off with Dante and Spoon in the Saint building.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his right M1911A1 at Spoon.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his left M1911A1 at Dante.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An over-the-shoulder view of Castle taking out the two men with his .45s.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After facing the two men, one of Castle's .45s jams. Maybe he should have used different ammo so it wouldn't misfeed on him.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle keeps his hand close to his back-holstered .45 when Harry Heck enters the diner.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle dishes Sardines from a can with his .45 close by.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads his right .45 when preparing to face Saint in the club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads his left .45 when preparing to face Saint in the club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his .45 in the club. Thomas Jane's weapons training is clearly evident.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle does a mid-mag change with his .45...]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and pointlessly racks the slide despite having a round in the chamber, which he loses for doing this.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle with his .45 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his .45.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle does another mid-mag reload and pointlessly racks a live round from the chamber. He loads the first round of his mags with a hollow point round, so he chambers it instead of taking the risk of having the round jam his gun. ]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle pops a round into a half-dead thug as he walks by.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle quick-draws his .45 and takes out Howard Saint.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle decides not to commit suicide after imagining his wife witnessing him die.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox (flashpaper)==
Howard Saint ([[John Travolta]]) is seen using a [["Non Guns"|Beretta 92FS Inox "Flashpaper"]] gun, which is designed to imitate the flash and smoke of a blank gun minus the loud sound and dangerous wad which fires from the barrel. Instead of swapping to a real Beretta, it appears to stay a flash-paper gun throughout the film, so I'm seperating it from the real Inoxes used.
[[Image:Ng pistol beretta92 SN.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flashpaper Beretta 92FS Inox.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Howard Saint uses his flashpaper Beretta 92FS Inox to execute the man supposed to be watching his son when he was killed.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint executes the man with his flashpaper Beretta.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint tries to draw his flashpaper Beretta when facing Castle near the end of the film, but isn't quick enough in comparison.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
The stainless steel [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS Inox]] makes several appearances in the film in the hands of nameless thugs. The most notable user is Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]), one of Saint's hired thugs, who tries to draw it when facing Castle with Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) at his side in the Saint building.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A money launderer in the Saint Building tries to reach for his Beretta 92FS Inox when Castle enters.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante prepares to draw his Beretta 92FS Inox when facing Castle in the Saint Building.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug in the dance club fires his Beretta Inox at Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Beretta Inox at Castle, and manages to break his M4.]]

==LeMat 1861==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] percussion revolver.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LeMat 1861 Revolver - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A LeMat is seen to the top right.]]

==Colt Officers ACP==
When the FBI raids the weapons transfer, Otto Kreig (Frank Castle under-cover) draws a tutone [[M1911|Colt Officers ACP]] which apears to be customized, before being "killed".
[[Image:Colt Officers ACP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Officers ACP - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherKimberCopII.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle as Kreig draws his Colt Officers ACP. Castle seems to have a fondness for 1911 guns (smart man).]]
[[Image:PunisherOfficersACP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Kreig" tries to fire his Officers ACP at the officers but is "gunned-down" first.]]

==Colt 1851 Navy==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] percussion revolver.
[[Image:1851Navy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt 1851 Navy - .36 caliber.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Navy is seen to the top left.]]

==Colt Single Action Army==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[Colt Single Action Army]] 5 1/2" Artillery.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Army 5 1/2" Artillery - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt SAA Artillery is pictured in the middle.]]

==Glock 17==
The [[Glock|Glock 17]] 2nd generation is seen multiple times in the film by nameless thugs but is most notabley seen used by Jimmy Weeks ([[A. Russell Andrews]]), who they delve deeper into character-wise in the extended cut.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Jimmy Weeks fires a blank loaded Glock 17 at Castle, under cover as Otto Kreig, to fake his death.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the money launderers keeps a Glock 17 nearby.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks with a Glock 17 in his FBI holster. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This thug who later gets a paper-cutter to the head holds a Glock 17 like he's never seen a gun in his life.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug walks by "Spacker" Dave ([[Ben Foster]]) when they search for Castle in his apartment.]]

==Glock 18==
One of the weapons seen in Castle's arsenal is a chrome slide [[Glock|Glock 18]] 3rd Generation. (while it is not confirmed as a Glock 18, the 33 round magazine and stock indicate it possibly is, or is supposed to be.) Sadly, he is never seen using it despite being seen preparing it before leaving to assault Saint's club.
[[Image:Glock18c 01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 18C - 9mm. Basically the same gun with ported compensator cuts in the slide.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A chrome-slide Glock 18 is among Castle's arsenal.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock 18 is seen as the camera pans over Castle's arsenal. Note how it is fitted with a stock and a 33 round magazine.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle attaches the stock to the Glock 18.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads a 33 round mag into the Glock 18.]]

==Glock 19==
One of the thugs in Saint's dance club is seen using a compact [[Glock|Glock 19]] 2nd generation, which based on the angle appears too short to be the same Glock 17 used in other scenes.

[[Image:Glock19_2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 19 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Glock 19 at Castle and over does the recoil too much.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock19-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug tries to reload his Glock but is sent flying by two 12 gauge rounds before he succeeds.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP45==
Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) is seen with a [[Heckler & Koch USP]] handgun in his holster when facing Castle in the Saint building. Based on the length of the grip, it looks the the .45 ACP model, the USP45.
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch USP45 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherUSP45.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A USP45 is seen in Spoon's holster.]]

==Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod. 0==
Seen fitted with a suppressor in Castle's arsenal is a [[Heckler & Koch Mk 23 Mod 0|Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod. 0]]. Reportedly, one of Saint's thugs that walks into Castle's apartment is armed with the same prop, although it is never seen closely.
[[Image:PunisherMk23SOCOMprop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod 0 rubber prop used in the film.]]
[[Image:PunisherSOCOMk23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM is seen to the left at the bottom of his customized M1911s.]]

==Heckler & Koch P2000SK==
One of the thugs in the club is seen armed with a [[Heckler & Koch P2000|Heckler & Koch P2000SK]] and tries to use it before he recieves a .45 between the eyes from Castle.
[[ Image:H&KP200SK Right.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P2000SK 9x19mm]]
[[Image:PunisherP2000sk-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This thug armed with a P2000SK gets a bullet in the head before he can fire his gun.]]
[[Image:PunisherP2000sk-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug falls back dead with the P2000SK still in hand.]]

==Ruger SP101==
One of the money launderers in the Saint Building tries to draw a [[Ruger SP101]] revolver when Castle walks in.
[[Image:RugerSP101.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger SP101 - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherRugerSP101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The launderer to the left tries to draw a Ruger SP101.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
John Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) uses a nickel-plated [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P226]] throughout the film. He most notabley uses it when he puts a bullet in Castle's chest, claiming "This time they're not blanks."
[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Nickel - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Saint executes a woman with his SIG-Sauer P226...]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...which stovepipes on the second shot.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerp226-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John's SIG-Sauer P226 is seen in his shoulder holster as he beats on Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John prepares to execute Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle has a flashback of when he is shot in the chest. The bullet apparently just missed his heart.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John becomes pinned under a book-shelf when Castle assaults the club and his P226 is just out of reach. Note double stack bulges.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
When Castle is "safe-guarding" his apartment, he places a stainless steel [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] into a custom made drawer launcher, which kicks out the drawer when the counter is tapped. Castle tries to grab this gun when he is attacked by "The Russian" ([[Kevin Nash]]), but he grabs a weight and smashes the barrel flat.

The weapon crushed by Kevin Nash in the movie was a real S&W Model 66 that was actually destroyed just for the film.

[[Image:IMG 1561.JPG|thumb|none|400px|A Smith & Wesson Model 66 in .357 Magnum that was destroyed for ''The Punisher''. This is the actual gun that was smashed by The Russian in the movie, as you can tell by the barrel.]]
[[Image:IMG 1562.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Another view of the Smith & Wesson Model 66 that was used (and smashed) in ''The Punisher''. This image gives a better view of the crushed barrel.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle tests the launcher drawer with his Smith & Wesson Model 66.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle tries to retrieve his Smith & Wesson Model 66 when fighting The Russian.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While it is blurry, you can see the S&W Model 66 is cleary crushed before The Russian smashes it.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle looks at the bent Model 66.]]

==Taurus Model 689==
Harry Heck ditches his Striker when Castle totals his GTO and gets out, armed with a [[Taurus Model 689]]. Castle pulls out a spring loaded stilleto (basically an amatuer ballistics knife) and fires it into his neck before he can use it. Castle than takes the gun and leaves in Heck's Satellite.

[[Image:Taurus_M689.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 689 with 4" Barell (one in film is 8") - .44 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherHHrevolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck walks up to Castle with his Taurus Model 689 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherHHrevolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck points his Taurus Model 689 at Castle.]]

''[Edit: This pistol actually appears to be a Dan Wesson. Notice the placement of the front sight, the flat profile of the vent ribs on top, the shape of the barrel (particularly the shape of the underlug) and the shape of the grip.]''

==Smith & Wesson Model 627==
Castle is seen in the extended cut giving Jimmy Weeks ([[A. Russell Andrews]]) a Smith & Wesson Model 627. Weeks takes the gun and tries to kill Castle, but the gun is empty. Castle gives Weeks a single bullet and watches as he commits suicide for ratting him out to Saint and having his family killed because of it.
[[Image:Sw627.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 627 Performance Center .357 Magnum (right side)]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle sits in Weeks' house with the Taurus Snub in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle leaves the Taurus Snub on the chair for Weeks to pick up. Note how it has a long Smith & Wesson style sight but looks a lot like a Taurus.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks tries to shoot Castle but the gun is empty.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle gives Weeks a bullet and watches. The bullet looks like a .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks loades the bullet into the snub.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks prepares to commit suicide with the snub.]]

==Walther PPK==
Bobby Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) keeps a stainless steel [[Walther PPK]] as his weapon. He is killed before he ever gets a chance to use it.
[[Image:PPK_stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther PPK - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby Saint sits a the bar in the dance club with his Walther PPK next to him. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby tries to de-escalate the situation and gets mowed down for it.]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby lays dead with his Walther PPK at his side.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Cobray M11/9==
One of the arms dealers is armed with a [[MAC-10|Cobray M11/9]] when the FBI raids the exchange. Bobby Saint points his gun at him by mistake and is shot by him in return.
[[Image:M11 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cobray M11/9 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM119-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Cobray M11/9 at Bobby Saint.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM119-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug gets filled with bullets from the surrounding FBI agents after firing his Cobray M11/9.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A5==
Some of the FBI agents that make the illegal weapons sale bust are armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A5|Heckler & Koch MP5A5]] submachine guns. One of the thugs in the club is also seen with one.
[[Image:H&KMP5A5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A5 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5A5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer to the left fires his MP5A5, which has a sight mounted way above his eyeline.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5A5-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers armed almost entirely with MP5A5s.]]
[[Image:the punisherMp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug is seen with an MP5A5.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5SD4==
One of the FBI agents is seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler & Koch MP5SD4]], which is a full-stock MP5A4 with an integral sound suppressor.
[[Image:H&KMP5A4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A4 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5SD4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer to the right fires his MP5SD4.]]

==Intratec TEC-9==
Some of the hitters who help massacre Castle's family are armed with [[TEC-9]]s, which clearly have sling swivels (although these shots don't show them), which a TEC-DC9 lacks. They were likely converted to full-auto by the armorer for the film.
[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TEC-9 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherTEC9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter approaches the family reunion party with his TEC-9 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherTEC9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter fires his TEC-9 at Castle and Castle Sr. while taking cover behind a grill.]]

==Steyr SPP==
Several thugs in the film are seen armed with [[Steyr TMP|Steyr SPP]] pistols, which appear to be converted to full-auto based on the one instance it is seen firing.
[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr SPP - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter finds a family cowering under a house and heartlessly executes them with his Steyr SPP.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of him firing the SPP.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A half-dead thug holds an SPP in the club.]]

==Micro Uzi==
Several of [[Uzi|Micro Uzis]] are seen used by Saint's men when they massacre Castle's family. Most notably seen using them are Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]) and Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) when they both fire their Micros at Maria Castle's ([[Samantha Mathis]]) car, and manage to flip it with them.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Micro Uzi - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]) shoots a man trying to escape on a boat with his Micro Uzi.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante fires his Micro Uzi while Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) prepares to.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante and Spoon fire their Micro Uzis at Maria Castle as she tries to drive away with Will Castle ([[Marcus Johns]]).]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante and Spoon fire their Micro Uzis.]]

=Shotguns=
==Armsel Protecta==
Harry Heck ([[Mark Collie]]) is seen using what looks like an [[Armsel Striker and variants|Armsel Protecta]] to fire shots at Castle's Pontiac GTO, but he luckily has metal shields that slide up over the windows to protect himself.
[[Image:Protecta.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armsel Protecta - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherArmselstriker-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harry Heck fires his Armsel Protecta at Castle in his GTO.]]
[[Image:PunisherArmselstriker-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck fires the Protecta at Castle as he drives away.]]

==Ithaca 37 (pistol gripped)==
Lincoln ([[Tom Nowicki]]) uses an [[Ithaca 37]] shotgun with nickel plating and a pistol grip throughout the film. It is not a Stakeout model, as it is too long. When using it to shoot Castle's vest in the dance club, he puts two 12 gauge rounds into his body armor from less than 10ft away. Though this might seem impossible, a level IIIA Vest can easily withstand shots as powerful as 00 Buckshot.
[[Image:Stakeout-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" - 12 gauge. (closest to model in film).]]
[[Image:PunisherIthaca37-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln ([[Tom Nowicki]]) shoots Castle Sr. in the back with his nickel-plated, pistol gripped Ithaca 37 shotgun.]]
[[Image:PunisherIthaca37-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires his Ithaca 37 into Castle's vest.]]

== J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe (sawed-off) ==
When Saint's men massacre Castle's family, one of the assassins is armed with a sawed-off [[J.C. Higgins Model 20#J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe|J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe]] Field shotgun with a cut down Ribbed barrel and stock. Castle picks up the same Mossberg and tries to save his wife and son. Castle fires off four shots, which pattern like buckshot rounds, before running dry.

[[Image:SearTedwilliams21.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Full size J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter looks for hidden family members with his sawed-off J.C. Higgins Model 21 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his J.C. Higgins Model 21 at the hitters in the Ford Pickup.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The action of the J.C. Higgins Model 21 appears to have engine grooves and the wooden forend has more fanciful engraving than a standard field gun. This was at one point a higher end shotgun before it was cut down.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle pumps the J.C. Higgins Model 21 , and clearly no fresh round chambers.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''CLICK!'' Castle's J.C. Higgins Model 21 goes empty when he needs it the most.]]
Trivia: When Castle first begins firing, he racks the shotgun, ejecting a live round from the chamber, which would have greatly helped him out when he faces the men as they exit the truck.

==Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser"==
When Castle goes to the Saint Building to dump all his money into the street, he takes a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 590 "Compact Crusier"]], which is the perfect gun to stash in his trench coat. He uses the gun to force Saint's money launderers to dump the money from the top floor and "rain 100 dollar bills."
[[Image:MossbergCompactCruiser.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle points his Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" at the money launderers.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Get up.... wheel the money out."]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle puts down his Compact Cruiser and then turns his back to them to cut open the window... with the gun still there. Not very smart thinking.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle forces the men to throw the money out the window.]]

==Savage/Stevens 311A==
When the hitters begin to massacre Castle's family, Castle Sr. takes out two [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Savage/Stevens 311As]] for himself and Frank. The two both uses them to great effect and Castle scores two kills with his, one of which by means of blowing up a propane tank on a grill. They are smooth-bore shotguns because they are clearly seen loading birdshot shotgun rounds into them. Based on slight difference in the trigger guard and pistol grip/tang area, these appear to be Spanish Eibar copies.
[[Image:Savage-Stevens-311-Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Savage/Stevens 311A - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle digs out some 12 gauge birdshot heavy game loads from a Remington box.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads 12 gauge rounds into his Savage/Stevens 311A. Note the fired primer, this is a dummy inert round.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle shoots the Mossberg wielding thug with his S/S311A, loading it just in time. It looks like he fired both barrels at once. Ouch.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like all typical shotguns in movies, Castle's gun is shown capable of sending this guy flying. They are birdshot none the less (although no type of shotgun round would send someone airborne anyway unless it was a high explosive round).]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Both Castle and Castle Sr. with the S/S311As at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. aims his S/S311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle and Castle Sr. fire their S/S311As.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-8dent.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes aim with his 311A. Someone seems to have dented the barrel more than half-way down the gun.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. with his 311A at the ready before being shot by Lincoln.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle wraps the 311As in a rug when he arms up after the massacre.]]

==Sawed-Off Savage/Stevens 311A==
Castle appears to saw down one of his 311As later in the film, and turns it into a sawed-off shotgun. Castle brings this gun with him when he raids Saint's club, holstered on his back, and manages to kill one of his thugs with it.
[[Image:SS311A sawed-off-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sawed-off Savage/Stevens 311A - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the chamber on his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle runs a bore mop through his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle looks down the barrels of his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads up his sawed-off 311A when preparing to face Saint's club.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his sawed-off 311A in the club, and of course, send the thug flying off his feet.]]

=Rifles=
==Heckler & Koch G36C==
When Bobby Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) tries to impress his father by buying guns, he meets with Otto Kreig (Frank Castle under-cover), who shows Bobby four suitcases loaded with [[Heckler & Koch G36|Heckler & Koch G36C]] assault rifles. I didn't bother adding all four suitcases because it looks like they just reused the same shot four times and flipped it twice.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherG36C-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kreig's thugs open up the briefcases loaded with H&K G36Cs.]]
[[Image:PunisherG36C-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|They then open the other cases. Note how the ejection port is not on the right side and the folding stock is in the wrong direction, the instant result of reversing the image.]]

==M4A1==
Frank Castle is seen using an [[M4A1]] carbine assault rifle fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]] and an Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sight when assaulting Howard Saint's club ''Saints and Sinners''. He loses use of this weapon when a bad guy's bullet hits the receiver and ruins the gun.

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 with Aimpoint CompM2 scope and fitted with an M203 launcher - 5.56x45mm and 40mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle is seen in a military picture in his classified file with an M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle's M4A1 is seen in his inventory as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle racks the charging handle on his M4A1 when loading up to face Saint in his dance club.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the bottom floor of the club with his M4A1. It seems smarter for him to use his bow as to not break stealth before facing the mass on the second floor. He also appears to lack trigger discipline.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle with his M4A1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle assaults the club with his M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies his M4A1 before it gets hit by a bullet.]]

===Special===
[[Image:Punisher-SF-M4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thomas Jane practices weapons techniques with his M4A1.]]
[[Image:Punisher-SF-M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jane loads up his M4A1 for weapons training.]]

==M16A2 with an M203 Grenade Launcher==
On the original movie poster for the film, Castle is seen armed with an [[M16|M16A2]] assault rifle fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]].
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A2 (with A2 rear Sight, brass deflector, heavy barrel and longer buttstock) 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[Image:PunisherDVDcover.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Castle of the movie poster armed with an M16A2/M203.]]

=Other=
==Cobray M79LF==
Seen next to the M203 launcher in Castle's arsenal is what appear to be a [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray M79LF]] flare launcher with the stock folded up.
[[Image:CM79LFSide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cobray M79LF - 37mm Flare.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM79LF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cobray M79LF to the right, under the M4.]]

==Compound Bow==
While not a firearm, Castle does some nice stealth kills with a compound bow. Anyone who knows what type is welcome to comment.
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A compound bow and arrows are seen in Castle's inventory when the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle assembles his compound bow when preparing to assault Saint's club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires the compound bow, shooting an arrow right through a guard's neck.Ouch. ]]

==M18A1 Claymore==
Castle has an [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personal mine among his arsenal, and uses one with a beeper detonator to blow up one of Saint's money transporting boats.
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18A1 Claymore Anti-Personal Mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle prepares an M18A1 Claymore Mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Claymore mine is seen in Castle's armory as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Saint picks up one of Castle's Claymore Mines. Note how it has a beeper detonator with a "555" number.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John realizes what the Claymore is and dives off the boat, just barely escaping.]]

==M67 "Baseball" Hand Grenade==
Among the weapons in his arsenal, Castle has a handful of [[M67 hand grenade]]s, one of which he keeps attached under the sink in his bathroom. He also keeps a switch near by which shuts the door so he can throw the grenade out and shut the door to protect himself from the blast. This technique proves inefective when he tries it on The Russian, who uses a pipe like a baseball bat and whacks the "baseball" right back into the bathroom. Castle just barely makes it into the bathtub to avoid the blast.
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M67 "Baseball" Hand Grenade.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle attaches an M67 "Baseball" Grenade to the sink in his bathroom.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Four M67 Baseballs are seen in Castle's arsenal as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies the M67 grenade to throw at The Russian.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To Castle's horror, the grenade comes right back into the bathroom, ready to blow.]]

==M203 grenade launcher==
Castle's [[M16|M4A1]] is seen fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]], which do to such close proximity battles is never used during the shootout in the club. The original movie poster also prominently feattures Castle holding an [[M16|M16A2]] fitted with an M203.
[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 grenade launcher - 40mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherDVDcover.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Castle on the movie poster with an M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:PunisherM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads a 40mm round into his M203. One wonders what good it will do him in such close quarters...]]
[[Image:PunisherM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle closes the breach on his M203.]]

==Unknown AP Mines==
Castle brings some Anti-Personel (AP) mines with him to assault the dance club. One he plants on the main entrance, which is set off when someone tries to run out. The second mine he sends up the dumb-waiter hidden in a wine bucket. When the man goes to pull the wine out, the whole rooms blows up. The last mine he uses to leave John Saint at the mercy of his own willpower. He claims the AP mine weighs 8lbs, which isn't much, but then he outstretches his arm and ties the fuse to a hanging piece of insolation. He then says how holding that mine up with an outstretched arm would be a "hell of a work out."
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants an AP mine on the front entrance of the dance club.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A henchman pulls out the wine bottle from the bucket, unbeknownst to him it is rigged to an AP mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The henchman than activates the mine and blows the room to hell.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another henchman tries to run out the front door and sets off the AP mine, making yet another devistating explosion to the building.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle puts the AP Mine in the pinned down John Saint's outstretched arm.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the mine in John's hand.]]

==Unknown Remote Mines==
Castle brings an unfathomable number of Remote Detonation mines with him, which he plants on all the cars in the parking lot. When he sets them all off, a sky view reveals "The Punisher" skull drawn with flame.
[[Image:PunisherRemotemines-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the remote mines in his arsenal inventory.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants mines under the cars. They appear to stick using magnetics.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants another mine under a car.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle sets off the mines in the parking lot with the remote detonator.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After blowing up the cars in the lot, the sky view reveals this.]]

=ANIMATED SEGMENT=
An extra on the extended cut is an animated segment built to illustrate the deleted scene of Frank Castle serving in the Gulf War, during a battle in Kuwait. The following guns are seen in this segment.

Behind the scenes note: The weapons used in the flashback animated sequence were a mix of airsoft, metal replica, and a few real guns. The soldiers shot on green screen were airsofters, not actors, and not real military.

==Pistols==
===Beretta M9===
A [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta M9]] is seen used by the U.S. officer to attempt to kill the captured enemy soldiers but he is stopped by Castle.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer prepares to execute the enemies with his M9.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer about to pull the trigger.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle forces the officer to fire his M9 into the ground, which was strangley loaded with only one bullet.]]

===Beretta 92G Elite II===
Seen in the hands of a U.S. officer is a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92G Elite II]]. He is seen loading it up and then it disapears, being replaced by a simpler M9. The 92G Elite II was not issued during the Gulf War nor was it even made yet so that's somewhat of an anachronism.

This is a Airsoft gun its a Tokyo Mauri Tac Master --[[User:Sarkardarkstar|Sarkardarkstar]] 18:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Beretta 92G Elite II.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92G Elite II - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-BerettaElite-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer loads a magazine into his 92G Elite II. Note how the decocking safety is activated, yet the hammer is up. Also, the back sight has been removed.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-BerettaElite-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer chambers his 92G Elite II, finger on the trigger like no real soldier would do.]]

==Submachine Guns==
===Heckler & Koch MP5SD3===
Some U.S. soldiers are seen armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3]]s. Castle is briefly seen firing one, in a MASSIVE continuity error.
[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-MP5SD-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with an MP5SD3.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-MP5SD-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his MP5SD3, which switched from another gun.]]

==Shotguns==
===Remington 870===
Some U.S. soldiers are seen with a folding stock [[Remington 870]] shotgun and Castle grabs one and charges an enemy position with it.
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 with extended mag tube and folding stock - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier armed with a folding stock Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes cover with his 870 in hand.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle holds a freshly fired 870.]]

==Rifles==
===AK-47===
During the deleted animated segment taking place in Kuwait, an enemy soldier can be seen firing a gun that vaguely resembles an [[AK-47]].
[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-47 - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires an AK-47 in the animated segment.]]

===Colt Model 715===
One of the enemy soldiers is seen firing an M16 with an A1 sight but with an A2 reciever, making it a [[M16|Colt Model 715]].
[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 715 (known as the C7 for Canadian Armed Forces) - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt725-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires his Colt 715 at the U.S. soldiers.]]

===Colt Model 723===
Some of the U.S. soldiers are seen firing [[M16|Colt Model 723]] carbines. Some of the enemies are seen using them as well.
[[Image:Colt-M-16-A-2-m723.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 723 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the back fires a suppressed Colt 723.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier fires his suppressed Colt 723.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fire a Colt 723. This shot was reversed so I flipped it proper.]]

===M14===
A U.S. soldier is seen firing an [[M14 Rifle]] briefly.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier fires his M14.]]

===M16A2/M203===
Both Jimmy Weeks and an unknown soldier are seen using [[M16|M16A2]] rifles fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]]s.
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A2 with M203 - 5.56x45mm/40mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with an M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks with his M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks fires his M16A2/M203. This shot was reversed so I flipped it proper.]]

===Norinco Type 69 RPG===
An enemy soldier is seen firing an [[RPG-7|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] with an over-sized warhead. It can be most easily identified by its single grip and carry handle as opposed to the dual grips on an RPG-7.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 70mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires a Norinco Type 69 RPG. Note over-sized warhead.]]

==Other==
===M26 "Lemon" Hand Grenade===
A U.S. soldier is seen with a [[M26 hand grenade|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade]] on his belt, which the enemy prisoner pulls off his belt and commits suicide with, killing everyone but Castle and Weeks.
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M26hg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The terrorist goes to grab the soldiers M26 grenade.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category: Action Movie]]
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The Punisher (2004)

2010-12-21T22:17:25Z

TheDon: /* Taurus Snub */

'''Check the discussion section for list of Cutlery and Vehicles used in the film.'''

'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[The Punisher (2004)]]'':'''

[[Image:PunisherDVDextendedcut.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Punisher (2004): Extended Cut (2005)'']]

=Pistols=
==Colt M1911A1 (customized)==
Frank Castle ([[Thomas Jane]]) uses a pair of heavily customized [[M1911A1]]s as his main sidearms in the film. His father Frank Castle Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]]) devoted some dialogue to the guns, commenting on how he bored the chambers, customized the triggers, and added some thread-on compensators. Some other notable feattures are their Novak night sights, the ''Smith and Alexander'' extended magazine wells, combat hammers and combat triggers, ''Kings Gun Works'' extended slide stops and extended slide releases, as well as ''Ed Brown'' Memory Grove beavertail grip safeties and front cocking serrations. The leg holster is not a Safariland 6004 but a custom Blade-Tech Tactical Thigh Holster.

An E-mail from the current owner of the guns explains:
'''"The pistols are 1911's and the slide is marked COLT'S GOVERNMENT MODEL. The sight attached to the slide is marked NOVAK'S upside down. The slide is the same shape as a normal 1911's but on the sides towards the left and right there is a grid design."'''

[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The two blank firing prop Colt M1911A1s used in the film - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Colts_1-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The two rubber prop Colt M1911A1s used in the film for stunt work.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. keeps his two custom M1911A1 pistols in a glass display case.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes the two Colt M1911A1s out of his father's display case after his family is massacred by the Saints.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies his Colt M1911A1s when he faces off with Dante and Spoon in the Saint building.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his right M1911A1 at Spoon.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his left M1911A1 at Dante.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An over-the-shoulder view of Castle taking out the two men with his .45s.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After facing the two men, one of Castle's .45s jams. Maybe he should have used different ammo so it wouldn't misfeed on him.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle keeps his hand close to his back-holstered .45 when Harry Heck enters the diner.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle dishes Sardines from a can with his .45 close by.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads his right .45 when preparing to face Saint in the club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads his left .45 when preparing to face Saint in the club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his .45 in the club. Thomas Jane's weapons training is clearly evident.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle does a mid-mag change with his .45...]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and pointlessly racks the slide despite having a round in the chamber, which he loses for doing this.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle with his .45 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his .45.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle does another mid-mag reload and pointlessly racks a live round from the chamber. He loads the first round of his mags with a hollow point round, so he chambers it instead of taking the risk of having the round jam his gun. ]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle pops a round into a half-dead thug as he walks by.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle quick-draws his .45 and takes out Howard Saint.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle decides not to commit suicide after imagining his wife witnessing him die.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox (flashpaper)==
Howard Saint ([[John Travolta]]) is seen using a [["Non Guns"|Beretta 92FS Inox "Flashpaper"]] gun, which is designed to imitate the flash and smoke of a blank gun minus the loud sound and dangerous wad which fires from the barrel. Instead of swapping to a real Beretta, it appears to stay a flash-paper gun throughout the film, so I'm seperating it from the real Inoxes used.
[[Image:Ng pistol beretta92 SN.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flashpaper Beretta 92FS Inox.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Howard Saint uses his flashpaper Beretta 92FS Inox to execute the man supposed to be watching his son when he was killed.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint executes the man with his flashpaper Beretta.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint tries to draw his flashpaper Beretta when facing Castle near the end of the film, but isn't quick enough in comparison.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
The stainless steel [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS Inox]] makes several appearances in the film in the hands of nameless thugs. The most notable user is Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]), one of Saint's hired thugs, who tries to draw it when facing Castle with Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) at his side in the Saint building.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A money launderer in the Saint Building tries to reach for his Beretta 92FS Inox when Castle enters.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante prepares to draw his Beretta 92FS Inox when facing Castle in the Saint Building.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug in the dance club fires his Beretta Inox at Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Beretta Inox at Castle, and manages to break his M4.]]

==LeMat 1861==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] percussion revolver.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LeMat 1861 Revolver - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A LeMat is seen to the top right.]]

==Colt Officers ACP==
When the FBI raids the weapons transfer, Otto Kreig (Frank Castle under-cover) draws a tutone [[M1911|Colt Officers ACP]] which apears to be customized, before being "killed".
[[Image:Colt Officers ACP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Officers ACP - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherKimberCopII.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle as Kreig draws his Colt Officers ACP. Castle seems to have a fondness for 1911 guns (smart man).]]
[[Image:PunisherOfficersACP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Kreig" tries to fire his Officers ACP at the officers but is "gunned-down" first.]]

==Colt 1851 Navy==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] percussion revolver.
[[Image:1851Navy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt 1851 Navy - .36 caliber.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Navy is seen to the top left.]]

==Colt Single Action Army==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[Colt Single Action Army]] 5 1/2" Artillery.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Army 5 1/2" Artillery - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt SAA Artillery is pictured in the middle.]]

==Glock 17==
The [[Glock|Glock 17]] 2nd generation is seen multiple times in the film by nameless thugs but is most notabley seen used by Jimmy Weeks ([[A. Russell Andrews]]), who they delve deeper into character-wise in the extended cut.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Jimmy Weeks fires a blank loaded Glock 17 at Castle, under cover as Otto Kreig, to fake his death.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the money launderers keeps a Glock 17 nearby.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks with a Glock 17 in his FBI holster. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This thug who later gets a paper-cutter to the head holds a Glock 17 like he's never seen a gun in his life.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug walks by "Spacker" Dave ([[Ben Foster]]) when they search for Castle in his apartment.]]

==Glock 18==
One of the weapons seen in Castle's arsenal is a chrome slide [[Glock|Glock 18]] 3rd Generation. (while it is not confirmed as a Glock 18, the 33 round magazine and stock indicate it possibly is, or is supposed to be.) Sadly, he is never seen using it despite being seen preparing it before leaving to assault Saint's club.
[[Image:Glock18c 01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 18C - 9mm. Basically the same gun with ported compensator cuts in the slide.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A chrome-slide Glock 18 is among Castle's arsenal.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock 18 is seen as the camera pans over Castle's arsenal. Note how it is fitted with a stock and a 33 round magazine.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle attaches the stock to the Glock 18.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads a 33 round mag into the Glock 18.]]

==Glock 19==
One of the thugs in Saint's dance club is seen using a compact [[Glock|Glock 19]] 2nd generation, which based on the angle appears too short to be the same Glock 17 used in other scenes.

[[Image:Glock19_2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 19 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Glock 19 at Castle and over does the recoil too much.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock19-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug tries to reload his Glock but is sent flying by two 12 gauge rounds before he succeeds.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP45==
Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) is seen with a [[Heckler & Koch USP]] handgun in his holster when facing Castle in the Saint building. Based on the length of the grip, it looks the the .45 ACP model, the USP45.
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch USP45 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherUSP45.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A USP45 is seen in Spoon's holster.]]

==Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod. 0==
Seen fitted with a suppressor in Castle's arsenal is a [[Heckler & Koch Mk 23 Mod 0|Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod. 0]]. Reportedly, one of Saint's thugs that walks into Castle's apartment is armed with the same prop, although it is never seen closely.
[[Image:PunisherMk23SOCOMprop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod 0 rubber prop used in the film.]]
[[Image:PunisherSOCOMk23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM is seen to the left at the bottom of his customized M1911s.]]

==Heckler & Koch P2000SK==
One of the thugs in the club is seen armed with a [[Heckler & Koch P2000|Heckler & Koch P2000SK]] and tries to use it before he recieves a .45 between the eyes from Castle.
[[ Image:H&KP200SK Right.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P2000SK 9x19mm]]
[[Image:PunisherP2000sk-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This thug armed with a P2000SK gets a bullet in the head before he can fire his gun.]]
[[Image:PunisherP2000sk-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug falls back dead with the P2000SK still in hand.]]

==Ruger SP101==
One of the money launderers in the Saint Building tries to draw a [[Ruger SP101]] revolver when Castle walks in.
[[Image:RugerSP101.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger SP101 - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherRugerSP101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The launderer to the left tries to draw a Ruger SP101.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
John Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) uses a nickel-plated [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P226]] throughout the film. He most notabley uses it when he puts a bullet in Castle's chest, claiming "This time they're not blanks."
[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Nickel - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Saint executes a woman with his SIG-Sauer P226...]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...which stovepipes on the second shot.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerp226-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John's SIG-Sauer P226 is seen in his shoulder holster as he beats on Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John prepares to execute Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle has a flashback of when he is shot in the chest. The bullet apparently just missed his heart.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John becomes pinned under a book-shelf when Castle assaults the club and his P226 is just out of reach. Note double stack bulges.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
When Castle is "safe-guarding" his apartment, he places a stainless steel [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] into a custom made drawer launcher, which kicks out the drawer when the counter is tapped. Castle tries to grab this gun when he is attacked by "The Russian" ([[Kevin Nash]]), but he grabs a weight and smashes the barrel flat.

The weapon crushed by Kevin Nash in the movie was a real S&W Model 66 that was actually destroyed just for the film.

[[Image:IMG 1561.JPG|thumb|none|400px|A Smith & Wesson Model 66 in .357 Magnum that was destroyed for ''The Punisher''. This is the actual gun that was smashed by The Russian in the movie, as you can tell by the barrel.]]
[[Image:IMG 1562.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Another view of the Smith & Wesson Model 66 that was used (and smashed) in ''The Punisher''. This image gives a better view of the crushed barrel.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle tests the launcher drawer with his Smith & Wesson Model 66.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle tries to retrieve his Smith & Wesson Model 66 when fighting The Russian.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While it is blurry, you can see the S&W Model 66 is cleary crushed before The Russian smashes it.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle looks at the bent Model 66.]]

==Taurus Model 689==
Harry Heck ditches his Striker when Castle totals his GTO and gets out, armed with a [[Taurus Model 689]]. Castle pulls out a spring loaded stilleto (basically an amatuer ballistics knife) and fires it into his neck before he can use it. Castle than takes the gun and leaves in Heck's Satellite.

[[Image:Taurus_M689.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 689 with 4" Barell (one in film is 8") - .44 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherHHrevolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck walks up to Castle with his Taurus Model 689 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherHHrevolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck points his Taurus Model 689 at Castle.]]

''[Edit: This pistol actually appears to be a Dan Wesson. Notice the placement of the front sight, the flat profile of the vent ribs on top, the shape of the barrel (particularly the shape of the underlug) and the shape of the grip.]''

==Smith & Wesson Model 627==
Castle is seen in the extended cut giving Jimmy Weeks ([[A. Russell Andrews]]) a Smith & Wesson Model 627. Weeks takes the gun and tries to kill Castle, but the gun is empty. Castle gives Weeks a single bullet and watches as he commits suicide for ratting him out to Saint and having his family killed because of it.
[[Image:Taurus617.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Snub.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle sits in Weeks' house with the Taurus Snub in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle leaves the Taurus Snub on the chair for Weeks to pick up. Note how it has a long Smith & Wesson style sight but looks a lot like a Taurus.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks tries to shoot Castle but the gun is empty.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle gives Weeks a bullet and watches. The bullet looks like a .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks loades the bullet into the snub.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks prepares to commit suicide with the snub.]]

==Walther PPK==
Bobby Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) keeps a stainless steel [[Walther PPK]] as his weapon. He is killed before he ever gets a chance to use it.
[[Image:PPK_stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther PPK - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby Saint sits a the bar in the dance club with his Walther PPK next to him. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby tries to de-escalate the situation and gets mowed down for it.]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby lays dead with his Walther PPK at his side.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Cobray M11/9==
One of the arms dealers is armed with a [[MAC-10|Cobray M11/9]] when the FBI raids the exchange. Bobby Saint points his gun at him by mistake and is shot by him in return.
[[Image:M11 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cobray M11/9 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM119-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Cobray M11/9 at Bobby Saint.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM119-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug gets filled with bullets from the surrounding FBI agents after firing his Cobray M11/9.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A5==
Some of the FBI agents that make the illegal weapons sale bust are armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A5|Heckler & Koch MP5A5]] submachine guns. One of the thugs in the club is also seen with one.
[[Image:H&KMP5A5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A5 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5A5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer to the left fires his MP5A5, which has a sight mounted way above his eyeline.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5A5-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers armed almost entirely with MP5A5s.]]
[[Image:the punisherMp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug is seen with an MP5A5.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5SD4==
One of the FBI agents is seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler & Koch MP5SD4]], which is a full-stock MP5A4 with an integral sound suppressor.
[[Image:H&KMP5A4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A4 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5SD4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer to the right fires his MP5SD4.]]

==Intratec TEC-9==
Some of the hitters who help massacre Castle's family are armed with [[TEC-9]]s, which clearly have sling swivels (although these shots don't show them), which a TEC-DC9 lacks. They were likely converted to full-auto by the armorer for the film.
[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TEC-9 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherTEC9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter approaches the family reunion party with his TEC-9 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherTEC9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter fires his TEC-9 at Castle and Castle Sr. while taking cover behind a grill.]]

==Steyr SPP==
Several thugs in the film are seen armed with [[Steyr TMP|Steyr SPP]] pistols, which appear to be converted to full-auto based on the one instance it is seen firing.
[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr SPP - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter finds a family cowering under a house and heartlessly executes them with his Steyr SPP.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of him firing the SPP.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A half-dead thug holds an SPP in the club.]]

==Micro Uzi==
Several of [[Uzi|Micro Uzis]] are seen used by Saint's men when they massacre Castle's family. Most notably seen using them are Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]) and Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) when they both fire their Micros at Maria Castle's ([[Samantha Mathis]]) car, and manage to flip it with them.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Micro Uzi - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]) shoots a man trying to escape on a boat with his Micro Uzi.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante fires his Micro Uzi while Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) prepares to.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante and Spoon fire their Micro Uzis at Maria Castle as she tries to drive away with Will Castle ([[Marcus Johns]]).]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante and Spoon fire their Micro Uzis.]]

=Shotguns=
==Armsel Protecta==
Harry Heck ([[Mark Collie]]) is seen using what looks like an [[Armsel Striker and variants|Armsel Protecta]] to fire shots at Castle's Pontiac GTO, but he luckily has metal shields that slide up over the windows to protect himself.
[[Image:Protecta.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armsel Protecta - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherArmselstriker-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harry Heck fires his Armsel Protecta at Castle in his GTO.]]
[[Image:PunisherArmselstriker-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck fires the Protecta at Castle as he drives away.]]

==Ithaca 37 (pistol gripped)==
Lincoln ([[Tom Nowicki]]) uses an [[Ithaca 37]] shotgun with nickel plating and a pistol grip throughout the film. It is not a Stakeout model, as it is too long. When using it to shoot Castle's vest in the dance club, he puts two 12 gauge rounds into his body armor from less than 10ft away. Though this might seem impossible, a level IIIA Vest can easily withstand shots as powerful as 00 Buckshot.
[[Image:Stakeout-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" - 12 gauge. (closest to model in film).]]
[[Image:PunisherIthaca37-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln ([[Tom Nowicki]]) shoots Castle Sr. in the back with his nickel-plated, pistol gripped Ithaca 37 shotgun.]]
[[Image:PunisherIthaca37-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires his Ithaca 37 into Castle's vest.]]

== J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe (sawed-off) ==
When Saint's men massacre Castle's family, one of the assassins is armed with a sawed-off [[J.C. Higgins Model 20#J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe|J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe]] Field shotgun with a cut down Ribbed barrel and stock. Castle picks up the same Mossberg and tries to save his wife and son. Castle fires off four shots, which pattern like buckshot rounds, before running dry.

[[Image:SearTedwilliams21.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Full size J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter looks for hidden family members with his sawed-off J.C. Higgins Model 21 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his J.C. Higgins Model 21 at the hitters in the Ford Pickup.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The action of the J.C. Higgins Model 21 appears to have engine grooves and the wooden forend has more fanciful engraving than a standard field gun. This was at one point a higher end shotgun before it was cut down.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle pumps the J.C. Higgins Model 21 , and clearly no fresh round chambers.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''CLICK!'' Castle's J.C. Higgins Model 21 goes empty when he needs it the most.]]
Trivia: When Castle first begins firing, he racks the shotgun, ejecting a live round from the chamber, which would have greatly helped him out when he faces the men as they exit the truck.

==Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser"==
When Castle goes to the Saint Building to dump all his money into the street, he takes a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 590 "Compact Crusier"]], which is the perfect gun to stash in his trench coat. He uses the gun to force Saint's money launderers to dump the money from the top floor and "rain 100 dollar bills."
[[Image:MossbergCompactCruiser.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle points his Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" at the money launderers.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Get up.... wheel the money out."]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle puts down his Compact Cruiser and then turns his back to them to cut open the window... with the gun still there. Not very smart thinking.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle forces the men to throw the money out the window.]]

==Savage/Stevens 311A==
When the hitters begin to massacre Castle's family, Castle Sr. takes out two [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Savage/Stevens 311As]] for himself and Frank. The two both uses them to great effect and Castle scores two kills with his, one of which by means of blowing up a propane tank on a grill. They are smooth-bore shotguns because they are clearly seen loading birdshot shotgun rounds into them. Based on slight difference in the trigger guard and pistol grip/tang area, these appear to be Spanish Eibar copies.
[[Image:Savage-Stevens-311-Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Savage/Stevens 311A - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle digs out some 12 gauge birdshot heavy game loads from a Remington box.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads 12 gauge rounds into his Savage/Stevens 311A. Note the fired primer, this is a dummy inert round.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle shoots the Mossberg wielding thug with his S/S311A, loading it just in time. It looks like he fired both barrels at once. Ouch.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like all typical shotguns in movies, Castle's gun is shown capable of sending this guy flying. They are birdshot none the less (although no type of shotgun round would send someone airborne anyway unless it was a high explosive round).]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Both Castle and Castle Sr. with the S/S311As at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. aims his S/S311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle and Castle Sr. fire their S/S311As.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-8dent.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes aim with his 311A. Someone seems to have dented the barrel more than half-way down the gun.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. with his 311A at the ready before being shot by Lincoln.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle wraps the 311As in a rug when he arms up after the massacre.]]

==Sawed-Off Savage/Stevens 311A==
Castle appears to saw down one of his 311As later in the film, and turns it into a sawed-off shotgun. Castle brings this gun with him when he raids Saint's club, holstered on his back, and manages to kill one of his thugs with it.
[[Image:SS311A sawed-off-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sawed-off Savage/Stevens 311A - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the chamber on his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle runs a bore mop through his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle looks down the barrels of his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads up his sawed-off 311A when preparing to face Saint's club.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his sawed-off 311A in the club, and of course, send the thug flying off his feet.]]

=Rifles=
==Heckler & Koch G36C==
When Bobby Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) tries to impress his father by buying guns, he meets with Otto Kreig (Frank Castle under-cover), who shows Bobby four suitcases loaded with [[Heckler & Koch G36|Heckler & Koch G36C]] assault rifles. I didn't bother adding all four suitcases because it looks like they just reused the same shot four times and flipped it twice.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherG36C-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kreig's thugs open up the briefcases loaded with H&K G36Cs.]]
[[Image:PunisherG36C-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|They then open the other cases. Note how the ejection port is not on the right side and the folding stock is in the wrong direction, the instant result of reversing the image.]]

==M4A1==
Frank Castle is seen using an [[M4A1]] carbine assault rifle fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]] and an Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sight when assaulting Howard Saint's club ''Saints and Sinners''. He loses use of this weapon when a bad guy's bullet hits the receiver and ruins the gun.

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 with Aimpoint CompM2 scope and fitted with an M203 launcher - 5.56x45mm and 40mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle is seen in a military picture in his classified file with an M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle's M4A1 is seen in his inventory as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle racks the charging handle on his M4A1 when loading up to face Saint in his dance club.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the bottom floor of the club with his M4A1. It seems smarter for him to use his bow as to not break stealth before facing the mass on the second floor. He also appears to lack trigger discipline.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle with his M4A1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle assaults the club with his M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies his M4A1 before it gets hit by a bullet.]]

===Special===
[[Image:Punisher-SF-M4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thomas Jane practices weapons techniques with his M4A1.]]
[[Image:Punisher-SF-M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jane loads up his M4A1 for weapons training.]]

==M16A2 with an M203 Grenade Launcher==
On the original movie poster for the film, Castle is seen armed with an [[M16|M16A2]] assault rifle fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]].
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A2 (with A2 rear Sight, brass deflector, heavy barrel and longer buttstock) 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[Image:PunisherDVDcover.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Castle of the movie poster armed with an M16A2/M203.]]

=Other=
==Cobray M79LF==
Seen next to the M203 launcher in Castle's arsenal is what appear to be a [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray M79LF]] flare launcher with the stock folded up.
[[Image:CM79LFSide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cobray M79LF - 37mm Flare.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM79LF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cobray M79LF to the right, under the M4.]]

==Compound Bow==
While not a firearm, Castle does some nice stealth kills with a compound bow. Anyone who knows what type is welcome to comment.
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A compound bow and arrows are seen in Castle's inventory when the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle assembles his compound bow when preparing to assault Saint's club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires the compound bow, shooting an arrow right through a guard's neck.Ouch. ]]

==M18A1 Claymore==
Castle has an [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personal mine among his arsenal, and uses one with a beeper detonator to blow up one of Saint's money transporting boats.
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18A1 Claymore Anti-Personal Mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle prepares an M18A1 Claymore Mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Claymore mine is seen in Castle's armory as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Saint picks up one of Castle's Claymore Mines. Note how it has a beeper detonator with a "555" number.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John realizes what the Claymore is and dives off the boat, just barely escaping.]]

==M67 "Baseball" Hand Grenade==
Among the weapons in his arsenal, Castle has a handful of [[M67 hand grenade]]s, one of which he keeps attached under the sink in his bathroom. He also keeps a switch near by which shuts the door so he can throw the grenade out and shut the door to protect himself from the blast. This technique proves inefective when he tries it on The Russian, who uses a pipe like a baseball bat and whacks the "baseball" right back into the bathroom. Castle just barely makes it into the bathtub to avoid the blast.
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M67 "Baseball" Hand Grenade.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle attaches an M67 "Baseball" Grenade to the sink in his bathroom.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Four M67 Baseballs are seen in Castle's arsenal as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies the M67 grenade to throw at The Russian.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To Castle's horror, the grenade comes right back into the bathroom, ready to blow.]]

==M203 grenade launcher==
Castle's [[M16|M4A1]] is seen fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]], which do to such close proximity battles is never used during the shootout in the club. The original movie poster also prominently feattures Castle holding an [[M16|M16A2]] fitted with an M203.
[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 grenade launcher - 40mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherDVDcover.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Castle on the movie poster with an M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:PunisherM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads a 40mm round into his M203. One wonders what good it will do him in such close quarters...]]
[[Image:PunisherM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle closes the breach on his M203.]]

==Unknown AP Mines==
Castle brings some Anti-Personel (AP) mines with him to assault the dance club. One he plants on the main entrance, which is set off when someone tries to run out. The second mine he sends up the dumb-waiter hidden in a wine bucket. When the man goes to pull the wine out, the whole rooms blows up. The last mine he uses to leave John Saint at the mercy of his own willpower. He claims the AP mine weighs 8lbs, which isn't much, but then he outstretches his arm and ties the fuse to a hanging piece of insolation. He then says how holding that mine up with an outstretched arm would be a "hell of a work out."
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants an AP mine on the front entrance of the dance club.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A henchman pulls out the wine bottle from the bucket, unbeknownst to him it is rigged to an AP mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The henchman than activates the mine and blows the room to hell.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another henchman tries to run out the front door and sets off the AP mine, making yet another devistating explosion to the building.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle puts the AP Mine in the pinned down John Saint's outstretched arm.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the mine in John's hand.]]

==Unknown Remote Mines==
Castle brings an unfathomable number of Remote Detonation mines with him, which he plants on all the cars in the parking lot. When he sets them all off, a sky view reveals "The Punisher" skull drawn with flame.
[[Image:PunisherRemotemines-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the remote mines in his arsenal inventory.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants mines under the cars. They appear to stick using magnetics.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants another mine under a car.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle sets off the mines in the parking lot with the remote detonator.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After blowing up the cars in the lot, the sky view reveals this.]]

=ANIMATED SEGMENT=
An extra on the extended cut is an animated segment built to illustrate the deleted scene of Frank Castle serving in the Gulf War, during a battle in Kuwait. The following guns are seen in this segment.

Behind the scenes note: The weapons used in the flashback animated sequence were a mix of airsoft, metal replica, and a few real guns. The soldiers shot on green screen were airsofters, not actors, and not real military.

==Pistols==
===Beretta M9===
A [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta M9]] is seen used by the U.S. officer to attempt to kill the captured enemy soldiers but he is stopped by Castle.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer prepares to execute the enemies with his M9.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer about to pull the trigger.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle forces the officer to fire his M9 into the ground, which was strangley loaded with only one bullet.]]

===Beretta 92G Elite II===
Seen in the hands of a U.S. officer is a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92G Elite II]]. He is seen loading it up and then it disapears, being replaced by a simpler M9. The 92G Elite II was not issued during the Gulf War nor was it even made yet so that's somewhat of an anachronism.

This is a Airsoft gun its a Tokyo Mauri Tac Master --[[User:Sarkardarkstar|Sarkardarkstar]] 18:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Beretta 92G Elite II.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92G Elite II - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-BerettaElite-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer loads a magazine into his 92G Elite II. Note how the decocking safety is activated, yet the hammer is up. Also, the back sight has been removed.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-BerettaElite-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer chambers his 92G Elite II, finger on the trigger like no real soldier would do.]]

==Submachine Guns==
===Heckler & Koch MP5SD3===
Some U.S. soldiers are seen armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3]]s. Castle is briefly seen firing one, in a MASSIVE continuity error.
[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-MP5SD-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with an MP5SD3.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-MP5SD-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his MP5SD3, which switched from another gun.]]

==Shotguns==
===Remington 870===
Some U.S. soldiers are seen with a folding stock [[Remington 870]] shotgun and Castle grabs one and charges an enemy position with it.
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 with extended mag tube and folding stock - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier armed with a folding stock Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes cover with his 870 in hand.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle holds a freshly fired 870.]]

==Rifles==
===AK-47===
During the deleted animated segment taking place in Kuwait, an enemy soldier can be seen firing a gun that vaguely resembles an [[AK-47]].
[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-47 - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires an AK-47 in the animated segment.]]

===Colt Model 715===
One of the enemy soldiers is seen firing an M16 with an A1 sight but with an A2 reciever, making it a [[M16|Colt Model 715]].
[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 715 (known as the C7 for Canadian Armed Forces) - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt725-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires his Colt 715 at the U.S. soldiers.]]

===Colt Model 723===
Some of the U.S. soldiers are seen firing [[M16|Colt Model 723]] carbines. Some of the enemies are seen using them as well.
[[Image:Colt-M-16-A-2-m723.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 723 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the back fires a suppressed Colt 723.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier fires his suppressed Colt 723.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fire a Colt 723. This shot was reversed so I flipped it proper.]]

===M14===
A U.S. soldier is seen firing an [[M14 Rifle]] briefly.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier fires his M14.]]

===M16A2/M203===
Both Jimmy Weeks and an unknown soldier are seen using [[M16|M16A2]] rifles fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]]s.
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A2 with M203 - 5.56x45mm/40mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with an M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks with his M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks fires his M16A2/M203. This shot was reversed so I flipped it proper.]]

===Norinco Type 69 RPG===
An enemy soldier is seen firing an [[RPG-7|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] with an over-sized warhead. It can be most easily identified by its single grip and carry handle as opposed to the dual grips on an RPG-7.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 70mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires a Norinco Type 69 RPG. Note over-sized warhead.]]

==Other==
===M26 "Lemon" Hand Grenade===
A U.S. soldier is seen with a [[M26 hand grenade|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade]] on his belt, which the enemy prisoner pulls off his belt and commits suicide with, killing everyone but Castle and Weeks.
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M26hg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The terrorist goes to grab the soldiers M26 grenade.]]

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Talk:The Town

2010-12-19T17:50:58Z

TheDon: /* Unidentified Pistol */

==Unknowns==
[[Image:Town-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jem (Jeremy Renner) fires a pistol.]]
:Looks like a USP. -[[User:The_Winchester|Dr. Awesome]]
:I agree, i think it's a USP Compact. -Scott; August 12th 2010
Am I the only one who thinks this movie looks like it will be awesome? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]
::Plus also this page is the talk of The Town. Puns are awesome.
And am I the only one who thinks that these guys are, like, alarmingly well-equipped for bank robbers? I WISH it were that easy to get a full-auto HK416. :(
:::Even if the registry was reopened you would still have a hard time getting one. HK would go out of their way to somehow stop that.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Keep in mind that this is MASSACHUSETTS that the movie is set in. Strictest gun laws ever. SKS rifles aren't even allowed to be purchased inside the Boston city limits. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

You know I have to admit I was thinking the same thing myself in regards to the weapons used by this crew and those in other movies like [[Heat]] or something. Where are these guys getting their firepower? HK's 416 is strictly in use by SOCOM or SWAT units. Sure the argument can be made they are acquiring some stuff on the "black market" but...come on!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Heat actually made more sense than this one. AR-15 carbines are relatively easy to convert with drop in parts, Sigs and HK pistols are easy to find, and a semi-automatic HK 91 are nothing compared to an HK 416. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Well to stretch it, we can say this movie takes place during a time when the HK416's civilian variant has been released already and like in Heat, the character bought the civilian variant and put in a drop in auto conversion. It IS a stretch, but at least my theory explains how they at least got a hold of a 416.

Oh and to the guy up there saying that because this movie takes place in Massachusetts with the strictest gun laws ever doesn't mean ANYTHING to bank robbers or criminal in general. They coulda bought their guns outside of the state, transported them back to Massachusetts and then made them full auto. This is the fact showing that gun control in one state doesn't matter when all you have to do is go to the neighboring state. I mean, what's H&K really going to do when they find out that someone is using their guns in a bank robbery? You really think the gun company would go out of their way to make sure their name isn't tarnished when police have problem finding high profile criminals? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:I should know what you can and can't do in MA, seeing as I live there. :P You can't even buy a handgun in Boston with a magazine that can hold more than ten rounds, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder and/or a capacity exceeding six rounds, a semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 10 rounds, any SKS, AK47, UZI, AR-15, Steyr AUG, FN-FAL, and FN-FNC rifle. I agree, your point is valid, but there's no need to sound all snippy about it. all I was saying is that obtaining that level of weaponry would be a fairly difficult task. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I must agree with Excalibur01 here. Professional CRIMINALS don't have the same barriers to weapons that law abiding regular citizens do. Just having draconian gun laws really doesn't mean anything to a professional criminal. A good example of this is the shootouts by the YAKUZA in JAPAN. Seriously, the fact that criminals can get anything they want (and by definition DON'T follow the law anyway) proves how useless and stupid most gun prohibitions are. ..... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::I wasn't trying to be "snippy". You're just reading my text in that tone. I was just being informative on how things work to the criminal mind. They don't follow the law or any rules at all. You really think a magazine limit will stop a criminal from committing crime? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::Haha absolutely not, and in that respect, most, if not all, firearms laws are a joke. Sorry if I took that the wrong way, no hard feelings. :) -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 17:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
And just as another stretch, it IS possible to get the HK USC, with is the civilian UMP and customize it to function like a UMP, but the best theory on why all the hard to get weapons is they most likely stole them from the Police. I mean, there are many departments that uses the UMP and there are some out there that do have the HK416. It wouldn't be TOO hard to believe they ambushed a cop car and stole their weapons or broke into a police armory. They seem to be good at breaking in and disguising themselves. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:They could also possibly had illegal weapon imports from foreign countries. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
::I doubt it'd be an illegal import in full automatic since you'd have to have legit military or Law Enforcement credentials for something like that. HK has a very poor track record when it comes to civilian customer service. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

:It appears that Hollywood uses HK416s as well.

::You guys are over-thinking this again. The bottom line is this: The robbers are using HK416s and other exotic automatic weapons because those guns look cool, and visual impact is all that matters in Hollywood. In real life, it is highly unlikely that we would ever see bank robbers using such hardware. It's not impossible, but it is highly unlikely. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Also even in 'movie world', professional criminals can have ties to gun running operations like those run by the Hell's Angels or the Mafia or even the Drug Cartel. There is NO BARRIER to any type of weapons ownership if you have the will and the CASH to get it and are willing to deal with very unsavory types. The weapons used by the Mexican Drug cartel right NOW is proof of that. Talk about a country with draconian gun control, it certainly doesn't stop the Drug Cartel gangs. Now fortunately for us, in the real world, 99% of criminals are STUPID, but that's another thread all together..;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Well said MT2008...this is a movie not a documentry.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Aren't the robbers in the movie (McRay, Coughlin and Fergie the florist) Irish? Maybe they are raising funds for the IRA? What if they got the 416s from IRA arm dealers? The IRA affliated dealer in The Boondock Saints was shown to have an impressive arsenal including the HK PSG-1, Arctic Warfare Police, DShK etc. So my theory goes that some guerillas managed to kill British special forces, who may have been issued the HK 416s in limited quantities for testing and then sold them. What bugs me is the fact that on one hand these robbers are using HK 416s and on the other the TEC-9. If Jem wanted a 9mm smg, wouldn't the MP5(K) be a better choice? --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 07:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, they're Irish, but that doesn't mean they're affiliated with the IRA. And the real-life IRA(s) is not nearly as well-armed as movies make them look (most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S.) If you are seriously trying to explain the feasibility of Irish-American bank robbers having HK416s by suggesting that they could have gotten the weapons from the IRA, simply because of how the IRA is portrayed in ''movies''...well, do I even need to say it? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

:::Which part of guerillas killing British military personnel and selling their weapons not possible? I'm not saying that every single IRA is equiped with exotic weapons, just that it is possible they may get their hands on one or two. In that case it would be better to sell these and buy more cheaper guns. This theory fits perfectly with the PSG-1 and AWP while the DSHk could be supplied by Libya. --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Hold Up! the IRA is buying "most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S."? Where is that information coming from? How can a little country like the U.S ;) supply its personally purchased firearms to the Mexican drug Cartels AND the IRA?...shit man we get blamed for everything!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::::(1.) There isn't any British military unit that uses the HK416. The SAS still uses traditional direct-impingement M16s and M4s (which is irrelevant, since the SAS also hasn't conducted any operations in Northern Ireland since the 1990s).

::::(2.) Since 2007, the British Army has ended its operations in Northern Ireland. All British troops involved in combat and peacekeeping operations during the Troubles have either returned to base or returned to the mainland. Although there is still paramilitary activity in the province (from both Republican and Loyalist groups), it is now handled by Northern Ireland's police force, the PSNI. In other words, not many British military personnel walking around with their weapons.

::::(3.) The Provisional IRA (which is what most people mean by "the IRA") disarmed itself in 2005 and has become an exclusively political organization (all of its weapons, including its large stock of assault rifles, were decommissioned under the supervision of an international monitoring agency). There are still several splinter IRA factions (the Real IRA, Continuity IRA, and the Irish National Liberation Army) which do not support the peace process, but those groups are extremely poorly armed, due to the difficulties in securing funding and supply routes for weapons. If you ever find propaganda photos of them, you'll see that they're still using rusty old AKs sent to the PIRA by Qaddafi 25 years ago, and outdated civilian AR-15s that were bought by American IRA supporters from gun shops 30+ years ago. If any of those groups had an HK416, I'm pretty sure they'd keep it for themselves. They simply don't have enough weapons that they can afford to sell off to anyone else.

::::Need I say more? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::::''the IRA is buying "most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S."? Where is that information coming from? ''

::::As I've said, not IS, '''was'''. For most of its history, the IRA got most of its weapons from its supporters in the U.S. By the 1980s, the FBI had started cracking down on the IRA's American gunrunner network, and Libya took over supplying weapons. You can read more [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_arms_importation here]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

==Yahoo Movies==
Yahoo Movies has some pictures.
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/2274/the-town-stills#photo6
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/2274/the-town-stills#photo37

== Jimmy O? ==

Is it just me or is that cop with the wooden stocked 870 played by Titus Welliver, who plays Jimmy O'Phelan on Sons of Anarchy
[[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 00:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah that's him. He was in Affleck's Gone Baby Gone also.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

==Rifle with dual-magazines==
Anyone knows what this rifle is? (in much better detail at [http://thetownmovie.warnerbros.com/data/downloads/wallpapers/get_wallpaper.html?image=1600/TT_WPs1600_NB_002.jpg]) - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:TT-AK?dualmags.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

AKMSU - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]
:Thanks. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I always knew the nuns would get desperate after Sunday donations dried up :) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
:Don't fear their rulers, few their automatic weapons [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question on Fergie's gun *SPOILERS* ==

This is one for people who've seen the movie. Near the end when Doug goes to Fergie's and kills him. I was pretty sure that Fergie's pistol was a Glock but my friends swear that it was some sort of 1911. Did anybody get a clear look at it? [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 17:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
:Definitely a 1911 pistol, you could see the rounded top of the slide and the foreend was distinctly 1911 style.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Damn, how they hell did I miss that? I'm supposed to be the 1911 whore and they're the ones who saw it haha, time for pride swallowing I suppose. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 18:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm certain it was a 1911, but was it full length or compact? I could swear it only had a 4" barrel, can anyone confirm or correct?

== Unknown Revolver ==

Someone wanted to identify Renner's revolver...I just saw the film, and I think it's Smith and Wesson's new .38 Bodyguard. I swear I saw the top mounted cylinder release when he draws it and places it against the guy's leg.
Here's the gun in question...I've forgotten how to put the picture in, so here's the link: http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bodyguard38_103038_l1.jpg -Anonymous

I think it was a shrouded hammer, like on the S&W m38. And for some reason (don't ask why, it just randomly popped into my head) when I first saw it, my brain screamed "TAURUS". Can't explain, just my first impression.

When Affleck and Renner go to the projects to beat up the two guys who threw bottles at the bank manager/hostage/Affleck's new love interest, Renner shot one of the guys in both of his legs using a snubnose revolver. Anybody know what make and model it was???

It looked like a hammerless Snub nose type of revolver. Taurus Model 65 I believe.

Taurus was my first impression as well. Though I thought it had a shrouded hammer...

Might have been a Ruger LCR

I'm thinking Taurus 651 or 851. Was not hammerless, had a shrouded hammer.

I was thinking that it was more of a Smith and Wesson model 38, maybe model 36 or a small 357 like a 620

== Unidentified Pistol==

Doug MacRay is seen shooting off a pistol while in a non-functioning train car.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2010-12-09-23h12m08s44.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:The_town.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

it looks like a compact 1911 in some kind of officer's model...possibly a custom Colt with stainless push pins.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't remeber this seen... when did this happen? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

This was after MacRay went to Claire's home. After she found out that Doug is a suspect.

Is the scene from the extended edition? Cause I watched the movie at least a dozen times over the last day, and I never saw this scene.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== SA SA58 OSW Carbine in the opening robbery ==

I think the DSA SA58 OSW Carbine is in the opening robbery scene, carried by the guy who "drowns" the cell phones of the staff.

:That's what I thought, too (I went into the movie having seen the trailer, which has the SA58 being used), but I could've sworn I saw that it had an AR-style 5.56x45mm mag. We'll need to wait until the Blu Ray comes out in order to confirm what it was, though. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::Just watched the movie. The rifle used by Des in the opening scene is a [[Galil#Galil MAR|Micro Galil]], not the SA58 OSW used by Doug later. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

So who's doing this? Cause I got the DVD of it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm traveling on Sunday and packing tomorrow, so I won't be able to do it immediately. But I've got the Blu Ray, so I'd prefer I did it (unless somebody else has the Blu Ray and is as careful and thorough at screencapping as I am). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I can get the Blu Ray but if you know me...I might miss something [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Heat

2010-12-16T18:43:46Z

TheDon: /* Odd */

==Views==

It's amazing we've reached nearly 80,000 views for this page. I remember how happy we were when it hit 50,000...which doesn't seem like it was all that long ago. Probably won't be much longer before we hit 100,000. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Over 130,000 now. Crazy. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

This discussion must be pretty old; the view are now over 230,000!! [[User:jackbel]]

==Has anyone seen this?==

http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/06/movie-guns-x.html

I'm just curious because although his list isn't as thorough as ours, he seems to have some very high-quality screenshots which look way better than those on my DVD. I especially like the screenshot of Trejo's Norinco AK, which shows the barrel and front sight in better detail. Blu Ray, perhaps?

: The clearer shots already disproved one of my own recollections and I will fix it. I could have sworn that I saw M16A1 uppers mounted onto SP1 lowers on the set. (it was fourteen years ago!) But the clearer BLURAY shots show Wes Studi's rifle to be an M16A1 lower, not the SP1 lower I thought it was. Fooey! I pulled one of those Franken-guns from the inventory (though I can't be sure if that gun ever was in HEAT) and photographed it for nothing. I will change it back. As for this guy's list, he has much clearer High Def shots, but his information isn't nearly as accurate as IMFDB's page. [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

:: ''I always used to think it was a continuity error...the first shot (where he's firing at the car) clearly shows a gun with a mil-spec A1-style receiver, but it does look like an SP1 lower in the next scene, right before he shoots Kilmer. If it weren't for the Blu Ray shots, I would have continued to think this way.''

:''The guy thought the 733s in the film were M4A3s just because of the DVD title sequence. Pretty funny. I wish I had thought to nab more shots, many of the ones he took were ones I didn't bother because I thought the ones we had were good enough. Should have followed my gut. His page is a little more complete but less correct, as far as I'm concerned.-GM''
::''There's also the phenomenon of having '''too many screen caps''', something I'm seeing on some pages (look at Dogs of War, the changes that aren't mine.). I know that some guys get all excited about their ability to post screen caps, but having literally DOZENS of images of the same guns is really '''beating a dead horse''' and makes the page cumbersome and annoying to look at. The last thing I want are to have IMFDB movie pages resembling people's MYSPACE pages ... cluttered, hard to navigate and generally irritating. So far I think your ratio of 'useful' images is just fine. These other guys don't know when there is '''too much of a good thing'''. ''
::''Also IMFDB has the advantage of multiple users checking and re-checking the pages. Sure some of the pages have work to do, but they will eventually be 100% done. '' [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

::What is this so called M4A3? I've never heard of it. So after the A1, there's an A2 and an A3 as well? Are we talking about what Colt makes or what Bushmaster makes? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No such variant exists. Someone mistook another Colt variant I guess and soon it spread around as improper fact. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::I see. Well I can somewhat understand some people when they look at AR-15 type weapons as the same rifle because they all share the same basic design. I used to look and see every shorty M16 variant as an M4 before I knew more about the M4 and also used to not know that the M4 is the burst verison and the A1 is auto with the removable carrying handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, guys, there is no Blu-Ray of Heat yet, unfortunately.
:UPDATE ON DAT ISSUE: Yes there is, now. By the way, above is me as well.-protoAuthor 19:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

==Bosko ([[Ted Levine]])==
The first casualty of the bank robbery gun battle. What type of gun was he using? [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 03:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:The rent-a-cop with the ankle holster? Or out in the street? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

::Out in the street. I though it was a G36K or something but I can't be sure. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 02:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:::''I know this is kind of an old comment, but the G36 series wasn't around when the movie was filmed (1994-95), and it wouldn't have been imported to the U.S. until 1998, about two years after it entered service with the ''Bundeswehr''. Anyway, Bosko uses one of the M16A1s with A2 handguards that are used by most of the other detectives in the shootout, including Detective Casals.''

== M4 ==

During the van rubbery DiNero and Killmer used M4s.

:No, they used Colt Model 733s. - [[user:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]
:Is a ''"rubbery"'' something like a ''"shrubbery"''? And who is ''DiNEro'' ("Money" in spanish) and ''KILLmer''? Just kidding LOL!~ ;) - [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Help! ==

Someone fucked up the pictures with Â letters, i fixed that. Now, some of the pictures don't show for some reason. - [[User:Flying Dane]]

== Fixed ==

It's okay, I fixed them. They had some long spaces in them. Alienqueen11.

== MoviePropMaster2008 edit ==

I deleted the MoviePropMaster2008 edit because of it's non-encyclopedic tone. If discussions about a certain gun in the article are to be made, I think it should be done here in the discussion section. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 23:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, that's fine, but then at the very least, you should have the courtesy to copy and paste the comments into this section rather than deleting them completely, as I have done here.

Alright. I'll be sure to do that in the future. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 19:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Conversation on the FNC ==

MP2008 had a really good conversation going about which variant of FNC is carried by Vincent in this movie. I have now revived it for this section:

: Well, you've been very busy, [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]], though you're making an entirely educated guess (not a bad one) The 70-30 is a Para length barrel semi auto FNC designed for Law Enforcement use and sale only , so that would be a good guess. However, The FNCs on the set WERE full auto (I was there), but Director Michael Mann directed Al Pacino to fire semi auto only (which is pretty cool since police should NOT go full auto on street full of civilians). From what I remember, Pacino's gun was a pre-1985 American imported FNC 223 rem Sporter that was converted and had the barrel chopped WAY down to mimic the Para rifles and had a M16A1 style birdcage flash hider installed (see pic) by the movie armorers. FN imported American shorter FNC guns 'called' the para rifle, but the American barrels were several inches longer than the one seen in the movie, so this one was chopped down to look more like the European Para Models of the FNC.

[[Image:HEAT FNC Short.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pacino with a chopped down FNC rifle - note the M16A1 style birdcage flash hider, the original FNCs used Belgian FN FAL style flash hiders and the Para Models had an ultra short version of the same Belgian design.]]

:Harry Lu was the lead armorer (same guy who just did Rambo (2008)), but he's the head coordinator. There were a LOT of trainers and gun handlers on location - it was a big shoot with lots of actors/stuntmen handling live weapons. Lu, like most armorers, acquired the guns from rental houses. At the beginning of the filming of the Street battle, the FNCs were provided by Mike Papac of Cinema Weaponry, but the filming went a lot longer than anticipated, and rifles apparently were swapped out with guns provided by Syd Stembridge of Stembridge Gun Rentals of Glendale (according to everyone's recollection), it's been almost 14 years since that shoot so everyone is working from memory. I too must check it for sure. What I remember and what Mike or Syd or Harry tell me may differ so I will try to get a pic of Pacino's exact gun or at least get the exact model and make info. ...[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

How do you get images onto imfdb i am really stumped

:''Use "Upload File" under the "Toolbox" section (visible on the left menu, below "Search"). To actually display images in an article, copy and paste some of the code from any article of your choice (you can use the code that I used on this page to display the image of Pacino with the FNC, above).''

::I don't remember what I said to which MPM replied. Anyone remember? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Gonna fix my own pics==
Will probably be replacing the pic I uploaded of the Colt 733 since mine is actually an M16A1 with a Colt Sporter Carbine top, chopped down to resemble a 733. I am trying to get a REAL (marked) 733 that hasn't been altered by a gunsmith (that's pretty hard in this town). Too many of the guns are outfitted with outlandish RIS rails, lasers, scope mounts, and they're nearly unrecognizable. And if I'm borrowing someone else's gun to snap pics of I don't want to have to completely rebuild their gun. ;) Just giving everyone a heads up. (MPM2008)
:Is that why these guns have A2 recievers and yours has an A1? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==New pics==
How does our number 1 page look now that I added some extra shots? I'm quite proud of my Norinco Type 56-1 pic. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Comment regarding the first shot of the FN FNC section.==
The screencap you have would appear to show no one but civilians in Vincent's line of fire. However, the shots immediately before show Vincent and his soon-to-be-deceased partner coming under fire from Shirelis as he hops into the getaway car. Considering that most no one short of a robot's going to have enough wherewithal to know when to stop firing THAT quickly, it can be reasonably assumed that Vincent still believed he had a good bead. I wouldn't slight him for that one. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 09:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Discussion of "Fragmentation" ==

Hello.

I noticed a over enthiusiastic, but inccorect passage regarding the secondary wounding mechanism of "fragmentation" in the Colt 733 article, and editted it appropriately.

Fragmentation is well documented to be a function of velocity. While certain rounds can fragment at lower velocities (ie, MK262 Mod 0/Mod 1, Nosler OTM, etc) it remains a constant that a high velocity = higher chance of fragmentation. As a result, the statement that rounds fired from the 733 fragment violently, similiar to an "explosion" is completely false.

As is documented in reports by Dr. Martin L. Fackler, and in testing, the reliable fragmentation threshold for common military 5.56 rounds (Vietnam era 55 grain M-193 and modern green tip 62 grain M-855) is 2700 feet per second. The M733 with it's 10.7" barrel will produce velocities in the low 2600 range at the muzzle (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt#3, a US SOCOM report concerning the modern MK 18, 10.5" barreled grandchild of the M733) , and as such, will not provide very good fragmentation at distances beyond punching range.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_2700.html

==FNC rifle update==
I changed the entry for the FNC rifle. I spoke to all of the armorers on set on this film and everyone says that the rifle was a full auto FNC (imported in the early 1980s) that was chopped and fired semi only at the behest of Director Mann. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==1911 & clones handguns==
The handgun seen on the SISs officier near the end seems to be an LA Vickers Custom, based on the Springfield Loaded pistol, with an extended magwell (you can clearly see the extension on the pistol). The LA Vickers Custom was one of the 1911 handguns delivered by Property Division to the LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom II was selected as standard issue for the LAPD (and later the Kimber SIS for the SIS officers)

:It's possible, but I dunno if you can assume that. It's always a bad idea to assume that just because a certain law enforcement agency/unit or military uses a particular gun in real life, the exact same weapon is being used in a particular movie. There are a lot of movies that depict NYPD officers using Glock 17s instead of 19s, or that depict Secret Service Agents using SIG-Sauer P226s instead of P228s/P229s, for instance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Yeah sure, but it looks like they at least tried to replicate it. Well i think we can say its a Government pistol with a magwell extension.

==Empty P220 anyone==
During the ending section, where Neil shots Trejo, Van Zant and Waingro, then shoots at Hannah, he fires a total of 8 rounds from his P220. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but a P220 carries an 8 round mag of .45 ACP rounds, so when Neil is lying in wait for Hannah just before the end, wouldn't he be empty? That is, of course, if he never reloaded.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't he have reloaded?
::Perhaps he had 1 round in the chamber, plus the 8-round magazine. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::True, but that would still only warrant him one more shot.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

He had fired the weapon previously, not firing the complete magazine. He then makes an exit from his "combat zone", no competent shooter in the world would enter a new "combat zone" (i.e. the hotel) with an intended purpose of using that weapon against unknown number of combatants with a half empty, low-cap magazine. Not only is this something a trained shooter would do (as the film suggest Neil has autodidactically become), it is simply common sense to do so and I stress to think of anyone who would make this mistake.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

==Car Chase==
It's funny: I was just on the street in downtown L.A. today where they filmed the shootout in this movie between the LAPD and McCauley's gang. Remember the part where McCauley, Cheritto, and Shiherlis got in the getaway car and drove off only to be stopped by a police roadblock? They made that sequence seem longer than it really would've been in reality. When I was on Fifth Street today, I looked, thought about it, and realized: they drove roughly one block before stopping, but it seemed like a much greater distance in the film. Just wanted to point that out. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Well, what can I say...you've stumbled upon one of the nuances of direction. Depending on editing and filming, a scene like that can appear to take place over a longer distance than it actually does. Even though Mann might have only been able to get the city to close down one or two blocks for filming (which, when you think about it, makes perfect sense), they can still make the scale of the battle feel larger and more epic with good direction. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh yeah, its still a great scene. In my opinion, I think it is one of the greatest movie gunbattles ever. It reminds me of the escalator shootout at Grand Central Station in ''[[Carlito's Way]]''. It kept going for a really long time because it was a very epic gunfight. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==Hanna's Guns==
I was also just thinking about this: the filmmakers got most of the LAPD's weapons right. Patrol Officers carry Beretta's and Remington's (of course I don't think the LAPD used Mossbergs, but whatever. Maybe they did, idk), SWAT carries 1911's, MP5s, etc. You get the point. But what I found really interesting was Hanna's choice of weapons. A Colt Officer's ACP with ivory grips and an FN FNC. Now those are weapons I've never heard of any American police department using. Anyways, I just thought that was kinda odd. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree but on the other hand, I think, plot-wise or character-wise Hanna's choice makes sense.
Maybe Hanna's guns were chosen for dramatic reasons, to show, how much a loner he was. You know, he's not playing by the rules, so he doesn't use the same guns as the rest of the team. And since he's the best cop ever, of course he's allowed to carry any gun he wants. Something like that. There are many movies in which the hero-cops carry stranger guns (Remember Sam Elliott playing a NY-cop with a .45 Winchester Magnum LAR Grizzly Pistol?).
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

With obvious reason, undercover officers, especially those conducting long term investigation with a cover, quite often are assigned with weapons that are not standard department issue (or often smaller carry pieces of those weapons). In the case of Sam Elliot's character, this is an obvious exaggeration and the weapon what just picked to be cool. Hanna's gun, I'm guessing, was just Mann picking a very cool little gun that he liked and thought would give Hanna some extra personality.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 21:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==KP90==
:I do not think that Cheritto would be the kind of guy who would use this sort of pistol over something better like a Hi-Power or M1911. He seems like a fellow "Gun Guy", who would not be caught dead with such a crappy sidearm-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What makes the KP90 so "crappy"?
I´ve shot a few rounds with a P89 some years ago. Can't say, it was a bad gun.

BTW I´ve always been under the impression, there are no really bad guns. Only bad shots.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 13:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:It doesn't matter how good a shot you are if your pistol falls apart when you fire it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

And the KP90 tends to "fall apart"? Never heard of that. Any experiences?
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't, a lot of the P-series Rugers have a reputation for reliability earning them the nickname "Bricks with Triggers." S&WShooter, just because you don't like a certain gun doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you or that a gunman's credibility should be questioned because he chooses to carry it. Your opinion is not the final say on a gun's quality. For instance, many people prefer weapons with double-action triggers like the P-series Rugers over the single action 1911 and Hi-Power you adore so much.

S&WShooter is an example of "MY BRANDS ARE BEST!!! REST ARE CRAP!!!" kind of person. Little experiance yet big talk.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Chuck Adamson. The real life inspiration for Vincent Hanna.==
[[Image:St46 (2).jpg|thumb|350px|none|([[Chuck Adamson]]) as Barry Dorgan in blue blazer in ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]''. Adamson was the real life inspiration for the character Vincent Hanna in ''[[Heat]]''.]]
He retired as a Lt. with the Chicago PD. He was the guy that Micheal Mann modeled Vincent Hanna after. He was a technical advisor on ''[[Heat]]'' and I believe the televison series ''[[Crime Story]]'' which was also produced by Mann.Chuck Adamson passed away on 02/22/2008. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:That's interesting. I remember hearing Hanna was based on a real cop, but didn't know much about him. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

:On the special DVD release of ''Heat'' there is an interview with Adamson. He talks about an actual case that he worked in the early sixties in Chicago and how they ended up taking down the crew in a gun battle. Evidently this case was the inspiration for the television show ''Crime Story'' and the two movies ''L.A. Takedown'' and ''Heat''. Supposedly Adamson and [[Dennis Farina]] worked together when they were both Chicago cops. Just some interesting neat to know trivia. Impress people at parties. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Duct tape? ==

At the beginning, I see DeNiro's Colt Model 654 with duct tape on the handguard. Is there a purpose for it? Because this has always bothered me when I rewatch the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that it's to either make damn sure there are no fingerprints, or help it burn with that incendiary, or help with gripping the gun some way, or just look cool. Knowing Michael Mann, it's probably one of the former three, rather than the latter, and I'm guessing mostly the grip one.-protoAuthor 19:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, we can rule out the first option because De Niro is wearing gloves. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::I thought the duct tape was attaching a stop watch to the rifle, could be wrong though. -Toadvine

Here is what I read on TvTrope's page on gun accessories 'Soldiers often wrap tape around the base of a magazine to make it easier to handle, since it's usually smooth; companies such as Magpul now make slide-on grips, purpose-built magazine baseplates which include grips, and even whole magazines with gripped sides. Other options include transparent polymer magazines so you can more easily see how much ammunition you have left (with the downside that so can everyone else). Tape is also commonly wrapped around the base of a magazine to differentiate one end from another, which can be difficult in the heat of the moment, as most magazines are symmetrical. Tape can also be used to signify different bullet types within the magazine.' --~~

:::Toadvine is correct. He has duct tape on the hand guards because he has a stop watch attached to the rifle, which he uses to time the police response. It has nothing to do with making the rifle easier to hold (and TyTrope's page is talking about '''magazines'''; we're talking about the '''hand guards''', so that discussion is irrelevant). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Kind of cinematic/firearms related but I remember seeing a movie in the 1980's called "[[L.A. Takedown]]" and when I saw ''[[Heat]]'' I thought they had ripped off the movie. Then I read an article which confirmed Mann had made both and had considered the former a "dress rehearsal" for the latter. Anyways, I remember in ''"Takedown"'' the lead actor in the movie used a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] in the final shootout proving, at least in my opinion, Mann always managed to make the weapons in his productions as exotic as the actors in them. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:Well maybe for LA Takedown, but in his other movies from Heat, Collateral, Miami Vice, and Public Enemies, the weapons weren't really "exotic". Maybe the SIG 552 used in Miami Vice, but all other guns since Heat were pretty normal. To me, it's the style of combat that is shown in Mann's movies that catches your eyes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::Actually I should have said Mann delivers a little more variety in his flicks, television shows. With most "standard" police/crime dramas they have the usual firearms (Glocks, Berettas, AR-15 clones of some sort) whereas Mann adds things like the Strayer-Voigt Tiki in [[Miami Vice]], the FNC in [[Heat]], that sort of thing. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Hanna also used a nickel plated [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "LA Takedown", further proving your point. I know someone using a SIG isn't that uncommon nowadays, but it was rare back in 1989. At that time, only ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Robocop]]'' featured the 226. And this was the first time that a nickel model was used. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I too remember "LA Takedown". I thought it was cool to see the USAS-12 in action. I'm pretty sure it was the USAS-12 and not a Franchi SPAS-15. The only reason being that it was making the firearms writers circuit at the time, and it stood out with the 10-shot magazine onscreen. I still think that part of the anniversary Edition of HEAT should have been inclusion of LA Takedown, as I've not found a Region 1 DVD of it! - BC2009 19 December 2009

::::The shotgun used in "L.A. Takedown" was a SPAS-15, not a USAS-12. There are plenty of screengrabs of the movie online which confirm that the SPAS-15 was used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

I stand corrected. I found video clips of the movie, including the bank heist/shootout. Daniel Baldwin started out with the SPAS-15. Standing erect in a "proper" hi-power rifle stance. God I'm glad to see part of the movie again!

== A social history of the SPAS-15 (from an old fart) ==

Not only was the SPAS-15 considered to be exotic when it was used in ''[[L.A. Takedown]]'', but thanks to an executive order signed by President George Bush (the first one) it wasn't being imported into the United States along with many other foreign manufactured "assault weapons". It's my understanding that very few (I don't have an exact count) were shipped into the U.S. before Bush had an knee jerk reaction to a school shooting in Stockton(?) California in 1988 and stopped the importation of a whole bunch of different firearms based on their cosmetic appearances. I believe the shooter in Stockton used some type of AK-47 variant. Some of you guys are too young to remember the eighties and early nineties. And you're lucky.

There was approximately a fifteen year stretch from 1979 - 1994. It started with a school shooting in San Diego, California on 01/29/1979 (Brenda Ann Spencer. When asked why she stated "I don't like Mondays. Which was the inspiration for the song by the Boomtown Rats "I don't Like Mondays".) and culminating with the signing of the so called "Crime Bill" in 1994 by Clinton in which gunowners couldn't catch a break. Not one. Well there were a couple wins for us, but not many.Everytime you turned around some city or state was (effectively) outlawing gunownership and gunowners were ignored and percieved as whackos. Believe it or not things are better now. Much better in my opinion.

Actually one could argue that the real bad times for American gunowners started with Whitman and his shooting spree from the tower in Austin, Texas or perhaps when the WWII veteran went on a shooting spree in Trenton, New Jersy in 47/48. But I remember the 79 shooting and that's where I started keeping track.

Anyway the SPAS-15 was a victim of that time period. Just look at this as FYI. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
::To be fair, no one was importing the SPAS-15 as of May 1989 when the suspension of importation of 'assault weapons' started (temporarily and then made permanent via very fanciful 're-interpretation of existing law' by the ATF). Bush the elder could only temporarily suspend imports being that they were LEGAL and LAWFUL items. But the ATF managed to figure out a way to re-interpret the 'sporting clause' for imported guns from the Gun Control Act of 1968. But by 1989 there weren't that many SPAS-15 shotguns in the country. They were too expensive, too clunky and shotguns like the Benelli M series of shotguns were the 'cool' tactical shotguns to have. I tried to find a SPAS-15 in 1989 and the only ones out there were used ones, no new ones had been imported for YEARS due to poor sales. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==The new pic that Ben41 uploaded==
With the supposed M16A1 with A2 handguards. that looks like a Heavy barrel, so it would NOT be an A1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So it's an actual A2? Should it be changed?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:How can it be an M16A2? It has an M16A1 receiver.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh? The only difference between an A1 and A2 lower receiver (other than the 3 round burst) is that the back end of the A2 receiver is slightly fatter to resist cracking the ring that holds the rear buffer tube. How can you tell it's an A1 lower? I have to HOLD the two together in person in order to see the difference. Now if it's an SP1 lower, then that can be seen from a distance. If it is an SP1 lower (aka original M16 slab side) then an AR15 Heavy barreled upper receiver was installed on it. Either way, it's a franken gun and should be described in as much detail as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a franken gun. We all know that. But we can't call it an M16A2 because of the lower receiver. I'm talking about the whole receiver here. The A1 lower and the A2 lower are almost the same thing. Except for the grip if you can say that the grip is part of the receiver. But the uppers are very different. I can tell the difference between the M16A2 and the M16 in Heat because of the upper receiver. The M16A2 upper has an Brass defletor and an different rear sight while the M16A1 upper has no deflector and a different sight. Of course I don't really know if the barrel is part of the upper receiver or if it can be removed. I also don't know if the sights can be separeted from the A1 or the A2 receiver, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==Video Game==
:I hope it actually gets made [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803002/]

:I don't know. Movie games tend to suck. It hasn't had a really good track record [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:That's usually when games are released the same day the movie is, causing the developers to rush-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

True. The Godfather games are good but they were able to take their time on both of them.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== Reorganizing Page ==

What do people think about reorganizing page by weapons? Since this is one of the most popular pages, I wanted to see if it's okay before I do it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:What do you have in mind for order? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]\\

I was thinking by type of gun.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 10:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
: With a Page that gets so many views from the general public, I was theorizing about a change in how we normally organize sections. Previously we did it from smallest to largest (Pistols, SMGs, Assault rifles/Rifles, Shotguns, LMGs, HMGs, Destructive Devices, Misc) But the MOST asked questions in the blogosphere/internet deals with the assault rifles used in the street shootout. That one scene spawns the most questions asked by the general (and generally gun ignorant public), so I was wondering if we should begin the page with the most asked about weapons (Assault rifles, SMGS, Shotguns, handguns), basically going in reverse order for this one page. Most of the curiosity revolves around Al Pacino's FNC and the Colt 733s used in the fight. Just a thought. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

: ''BTW, I'm getting a photo of a REAL 733 tonight. Keep an eye out! WOO HOO! (the previous pic was one of my guns that was just a chopped carbine (when I bought it) so the pic is actually a fake 733, just like the C&C HK94s or the fake MP5Ks made from SP89s)'' [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Why not organizing guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Since this is a reference site, I find that it's easier to look it up by the type of weapon rather than by trying to remember when a particular weapon appeared in the film. This doesn't have to be the case for every film, but one with so many weapons featured, I think the way MPM talked about would work best. Let me know what the consensus is. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with Ben41. For pages with 10+ guns I find that it is easier to look for something if it is categorized by type, especially when there are so many screencaps per weapon. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 02:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:What about type of guns and in each section, you list guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Hanna is shooting at Shiherlis ==

[[Image:HeatFNFNC-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanna fires his [[FN FNC|FN FNC-80]] at... nothing. Hanna tells his men before the gunfight to take clear shots and watch their backgrounds. All I see in his firing line is running civilians. This half of the screen was likely not visible in the original release, which wasn't in anamorphic widescreen.]]

In this image, the caption said that Hanna was shooting at no one and looks to be firing at bystanders. In reality, this shot was taken at the exact same time Shiherlis stopped shooting and finally got into the getaway care, and when the suppressing fire from Shiherlis stopped, Hanna came out of cover to shoot back, only to see Shiherlis wasn't there anymore. In my opinion, Hanna seems to be shooting at where Shiherlis was a moment ago before he stepped into the car. The camera angle makes it appear he's shooting directly ahead, when he is shooting towards the getaway car. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

This is definitely a camera angle quirk, my guess is that he is firing at the back window of the vehicle.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== Organizing ==

I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Andy McNab training ==

I just saw the behind the scenes feature and I didn't know the famous SAS operator, Andy McNab was behind the training for the De Niro and his bank robber characters and a different SAS guy, Mike Gould, training for police did Al Picino and his guys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

well for an actor , al pacino dose a lot of running in the down town shootout.simmons 8492

What does that have to do with the training he and the other actors recieved? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

well obviously he had to train for that scean, im sure all the actors did , im just suprised that he did it and wasnt needing oxygen after. just saying. simmons 8492

::Oh got ya. Actually Pacino should have been sweating and breathing hard at the end of the bank robbery gunfight. He might also have been shaking a little bit from all the adrenalin blasting through his body. Oh well movie magic. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:44, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

In the movie both Hanna and McCauley are former marines (Nate's intel on Hanna and McCauley's arm tat when he wakes up at Eady's). --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 02:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

put pacino and De Niro arent , so that SAS trainer realy got them in shape. simmons 8492

And you have to think movie production. They do scenes, especially big shootout scenes in sections and not one big go...Most of the time. They also do a lot of retakes as well as position the camera on different angles so it looked like they ran farther than they actually did. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:22, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure where I read this but the whole scene was filmed within a block or two , due to camera tricks it looks like they covered a lots of distance. --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 16:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

thats true , but mann isint like those others . he dosent do the whole cut up shit . he probable had them redo it to get it right . simmons 8492

::It's very well-known that McNab and Gould were the weapons/tactics advisers on this movie. Gould also makes a cameo in the film. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

who dose he play? simmons 8492

In the film we know that both Hanna and McCauley were former US Marines, but would a Marine receive the extent of training needed to be proficient in CQB as portrayed by the two main characters in the film? I mean think about it; Hanna and McCauley would have joined the Marine Corp probably during the 70's or early 80'. Now I am unfamiliar with how exactly US Army and Marine Corp trained soldiers during that time in regards to trigger discipline and CQB, but I know that the training soldiers receive now in CQB is different then the CQB training given in the past. When I asked my father, who joined the Army as an Infantry officer in the late 70's, about the training he received in regards to CQB he told me he didn't really receive CQB training at all. I know that special forces groups such as the British SAS were masters in CQB during those eras but what about regular infantry? I also know that Hanna would have received more training throughout his career as a cop, but what about McCauley? I point out McCauley cause he probably would have left the Marine Corps sometime in the mid 80's, and started his criminal career most likely after he got out. AND YES I KNOW THIS IS JUST A MOVIE. -[[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:Ok, Marine training is a little different from the regular army. I've heard from the older Marines I know about how they joke how the Army "ain't shit" compared to them. The Marines have always been a bit more specialized than the Army since WWII. McCauley most likely honed his CQB tactics during his career as a robber. Obviously he and the others on his team had worked long enough as a unit 02:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

first off , damm second im sure the marines trained him well enough in CQB . i mean being out of the service dosent realy matter . muscel memory kicks in and McCauly rembers all the things he was taught and does them without even thing . simmons 8492

first off , let me just say that heat is one of the best fims , second the entire LA bank job and shoot out , from when De Nero walks in to the bank , til pacino kills Tom sizemore is easly the best shootout in film history . and the training the entire cast went threw is mind blowing , al pacino running to De Neros CQB training , michael mann did an outstanding job . it is my opnion that this is movie gold. simmons 8492

i know this is a bit out of place , but i was watching this last night and wanted to know , when hanna is looking for McCauley in the airfield he fires his sidearm 4 time with three rounds in a nice triangular shape . my question is , where did his first round hit ? once again , i know this is out of place but i fiugred he would have been trained where to shoot him . [[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Cheritto's Galil==
What confused me during the bank shootout was that unlike his partners Chris and McCauley who were armed with Colt 733s, why was Cheritto armed with an IMI Galil ARM during the bank robbery? The person who wrote the Colt 733 section gave a good description of why the crew used Colt 733s in the bank job. However, no one really gave a good reason why Cheritto was armed with a rifle that was a longer barrel and even with its buttstock folded sticked out underneath his blazer when exiting from the bank. Was there a practical tactical reason for Cheritto to be armed with the Galil or did the production simply didn't have enough Colt 733s? [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:'''Story-wise''', the answer is probably that McCauley's crew was unable to purchase enough ARs for all of them. '''Behind the scenes''', my guess is that Michael Mann just really wanted to have a Galil in the movie. Of course, there are short-barreled versions of the Galil available, which would have made more sense for concealment purposes, but maybe Stembridge (the company which supplied the weapons for ''[[Heat]]'') didn't have any short-barreled Galils in stock. Any way, short answer is that there is probably no practical reason. This is a movie. You are over-thinking it too much.

:On a side note, the original script had them all using HK53s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the Galil ARM pretty much a light machine gun variant of the AR and can substan more automatic fire than most light barreled assualt rifle? Maybe the needed some sort of support gunner as he does have five more bullets in his mags and can lay down fire much more than your standard M733.---P226 21:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Too bad we didn't see much shots of him in the movie using the Galil. It would have been nice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Heh, guess we have Pacino to blame for the Galil's lack of use.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 23:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Well Cheritto isn't the top character, he isn't even top billing. Otherwise, he would have been on the movie poster [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Just so happened that this movie was an TV tonight, and I turned on just after the shoot-out started. Would I be correct in assuming that the Galil that is used is a semi automatic only conversion? It seems that he only ever fires with it in SA, and considering the prolific use of full auto by the other characters, if this gun was capable he would have fired in full auto also. It makes the choice of gun even stranger, considering it rules out the possibility that he was using it as a sort of LSW as the original ARM was intended. Suppose it could just be personal preference, also to the layman the Galil has the look of an "Evil" gun, and is used by the sort of person who picks up a child as a shield. This contrasts with the other two more sympathetic robbers, who use the "Good" looking Armalite type weapons. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Galil looks like an "evil" gun? It has an exotic look and feel to it but not "evil" about it. We also don't get any real character development from Cheritto than we do for the other two guys on the team. If you remember the opening armored car robbery, he was using a FAL while the other 2 veterans had their AR-15s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, but you are not the layman in terms of guns. I do not see at as an "evil" gun either, but to the majority of the public, the Galil looks like an AK, so looks evil. Was just my take on the character that he was less sympathetic than the other two, and was a more traditional "bad guy", so this gun was more suited to him. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 17:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

== Odd ==

Has anyone else noticed that, despite his character being married, Pacino is not wearing a wedding ring? I know it's not gun related, I just find this odd, and want to know if anyone else has seen this.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Not odd at all...first its a marriage that isnt so good and second he is a high profile police officer that doesnt need the add attention of a wedding ring.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 02:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Huh. The first reason I get, get would a wedding really attract more attention than the big ass ring on his right hand?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

To a bad guy...a wedding ring on your enemies hand means leverage.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Then doesn't him flat out telling De Niro's character that he's married defeat the purpose?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 18:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Heat

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==Views==

It's amazing we've reached nearly 80,000 views for this page. I remember how happy we were when it hit 50,000...which doesn't seem like it was all that long ago. Probably won't be much longer before we hit 100,000. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Over 130,000 now. Crazy. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

This discussion must be pretty old; the view are now over 230,000!! [[User:jackbel]]

==Has anyone seen this?==

http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/06/movie-guns-x.html

I'm just curious because although his list isn't as thorough as ours, he seems to have some very high-quality screenshots which look way better than those on my DVD. I especially like the screenshot of Trejo's Norinco AK, which shows the barrel and front sight in better detail. Blu Ray, perhaps?

: The clearer shots already disproved one of my own recollections and I will fix it. I could have sworn that I saw M16A1 uppers mounted onto SP1 lowers on the set. (it was fourteen years ago!) But the clearer BLURAY shots show Wes Studi's rifle to be an M16A1 lower, not the SP1 lower I thought it was. Fooey! I pulled one of those Franken-guns from the inventory (though I can't be sure if that gun ever was in HEAT) and photographed it for nothing. I will change it back. As for this guy's list, he has much clearer High Def shots, but his information isn't nearly as accurate as IMFDB's page. [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

:: ''I always used to think it was a continuity error...the first shot (where he's firing at the car) clearly shows a gun with a mil-spec A1-style receiver, but it does look like an SP1 lower in the next scene, right before he shoots Kilmer. If it weren't for the Blu Ray shots, I would have continued to think this way.''

:''The guy thought the 733s in the film were M4A3s just because of the DVD title sequence. Pretty funny. I wish I had thought to nab more shots, many of the ones he took were ones I didn't bother because I thought the ones we had were good enough. Should have followed my gut. His page is a little more complete but less correct, as far as I'm concerned.-GM''
::''There's also the phenomenon of having '''too many screen caps''', something I'm seeing on some pages (look at Dogs of War, the changes that aren't mine.). I know that some guys get all excited about their ability to post screen caps, but having literally DOZENS of images of the same guns is really '''beating a dead horse''' and makes the page cumbersome and annoying to look at. The last thing I want are to have IMFDB movie pages resembling people's MYSPACE pages ... cluttered, hard to navigate and generally irritating. So far I think your ratio of 'useful' images is just fine. These other guys don't know when there is '''too much of a good thing'''. ''
::''Also IMFDB has the advantage of multiple users checking and re-checking the pages. Sure some of the pages have work to do, but they will eventually be 100% done. '' [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

::What is this so called M4A3? I've never heard of it. So after the A1, there's an A2 and an A3 as well? Are we talking about what Colt makes or what Bushmaster makes? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No such variant exists. Someone mistook another Colt variant I guess and soon it spread around as improper fact. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::I see. Well I can somewhat understand some people when they look at AR-15 type weapons as the same rifle because they all share the same basic design. I used to look and see every shorty M16 variant as an M4 before I knew more about the M4 and also used to not know that the M4 is the burst verison and the A1 is auto with the removable carrying handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, guys, there is no Blu-Ray of Heat yet, unfortunately.
:UPDATE ON DAT ISSUE: Yes there is, now. By the way, above is me as well.-protoAuthor 19:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

==Bosko ([[Ted Levine]])==
The first casualty of the bank robbery gun battle. What type of gun was he using? [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 03:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:The rent-a-cop with the ankle holster? Or out in the street? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

::Out in the street. I though it was a G36K or something but I can't be sure. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 02:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:::''I know this is kind of an old comment, but the G36 series wasn't around when the movie was filmed (1994-95), and it wouldn't have been imported to the U.S. until 1998, about two years after it entered service with the ''Bundeswehr''. Anyway, Bosko uses one of the M16A1s with A2 handguards that are used by most of the other detectives in the shootout, including Detective Casals.''

== M4 ==

During the van rubbery DiNero and Killmer used M4s.

:No, they used Colt Model 733s. - [[user:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]
:Is a ''"rubbery"'' something like a ''"shrubbery"''? And who is ''DiNEro'' ("Money" in spanish) and ''KILLmer''? Just kidding LOL!~ ;) - [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Help! ==

Someone fucked up the pictures with Â letters, i fixed that. Now, some of the pictures don't show for some reason. - [[User:Flying Dane]]

== Fixed ==

It's okay, I fixed them. They had some long spaces in them. Alienqueen11.

== MoviePropMaster2008 edit ==

I deleted the MoviePropMaster2008 edit because of it's non-encyclopedic tone. If discussions about a certain gun in the article are to be made, I think it should be done here in the discussion section. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 23:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, that's fine, but then at the very least, you should have the courtesy to copy and paste the comments into this section rather than deleting them completely, as I have done here.

Alright. I'll be sure to do that in the future. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 19:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Conversation on the FNC ==

MP2008 had a really good conversation going about which variant of FNC is carried by Vincent in this movie. I have now revived it for this section:

: Well, you've been very busy, [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]], though you're making an entirely educated guess (not a bad one) The 70-30 is a Para length barrel semi auto FNC designed for Law Enforcement use and sale only , so that would be a good guess. However, The FNCs on the set WERE full auto (I was there), but Director Michael Mann directed Al Pacino to fire semi auto only (which is pretty cool since police should NOT go full auto on street full of civilians). From what I remember, Pacino's gun was a pre-1985 American imported FNC 223 rem Sporter that was converted and had the barrel chopped WAY down to mimic the Para rifles and had a M16A1 style birdcage flash hider installed (see pic) by the movie armorers. FN imported American shorter FNC guns 'called' the para rifle, but the American barrels were several inches longer than the one seen in the movie, so this one was chopped down to look more like the European Para Models of the FNC.

[[Image:HEAT FNC Short.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pacino with a chopped down FNC rifle - note the M16A1 style birdcage flash hider, the original FNCs used Belgian FN FAL style flash hiders and the Para Models had an ultra short version of the same Belgian design.]]

:Harry Lu was the lead armorer (same guy who just did Rambo (2008)), but he's the head coordinator. There were a LOT of trainers and gun handlers on location - it was a big shoot with lots of actors/stuntmen handling live weapons. Lu, like most armorers, acquired the guns from rental houses. At the beginning of the filming of the Street battle, the FNCs were provided by Mike Papac of Cinema Weaponry, but the filming went a lot longer than anticipated, and rifles apparently were swapped out with guns provided by Syd Stembridge of Stembridge Gun Rentals of Glendale (according to everyone's recollection), it's been almost 14 years since that shoot so everyone is working from memory. I too must check it for sure. What I remember and what Mike or Syd or Harry tell me may differ so I will try to get a pic of Pacino's exact gun or at least get the exact model and make info. ...[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

How do you get images onto imfdb i am really stumped

:''Use "Upload File" under the "Toolbox" section (visible on the left menu, below "Search"). To actually display images in an article, copy and paste some of the code from any article of your choice (you can use the code that I used on this page to display the image of Pacino with the FNC, above).''

::I don't remember what I said to which MPM replied. Anyone remember? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Gonna fix my own pics==
Will probably be replacing the pic I uploaded of the Colt 733 since mine is actually an M16A1 with a Colt Sporter Carbine top, chopped down to resemble a 733. I am trying to get a REAL (marked) 733 that hasn't been altered by a gunsmith (that's pretty hard in this town). Too many of the guns are outfitted with outlandish RIS rails, lasers, scope mounts, and they're nearly unrecognizable. And if I'm borrowing someone else's gun to snap pics of I don't want to have to completely rebuild their gun. ;) Just giving everyone a heads up. (MPM2008)
:Is that why these guns have A2 recievers and yours has an A1? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==New pics==
How does our number 1 page look now that I added some extra shots? I'm quite proud of my Norinco Type 56-1 pic. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Comment regarding the first shot of the FN FNC section.==
The screencap you have would appear to show no one but civilians in Vincent's line of fire. However, the shots immediately before show Vincent and his soon-to-be-deceased partner coming under fire from Shirelis as he hops into the getaway car. Considering that most no one short of a robot's going to have enough wherewithal to know when to stop firing THAT quickly, it can be reasonably assumed that Vincent still believed he had a good bead. I wouldn't slight him for that one. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 09:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Discussion of "Fragmentation" ==

Hello.

I noticed a over enthiusiastic, but inccorect passage regarding the secondary wounding mechanism of "fragmentation" in the Colt 733 article, and editted it appropriately.

Fragmentation is well documented to be a function of velocity. While certain rounds can fragment at lower velocities (ie, MK262 Mod 0/Mod 1, Nosler OTM, etc) it remains a constant that a high velocity = higher chance of fragmentation. As a result, the statement that rounds fired from the 733 fragment violently, similiar to an "explosion" is completely false.

As is documented in reports by Dr. Martin L. Fackler, and in testing, the reliable fragmentation threshold for common military 5.56 rounds (Vietnam era 55 grain M-193 and modern green tip 62 grain M-855) is 2700 feet per second. The M733 with it's 10.7" barrel will produce velocities in the low 2600 range at the muzzle (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt#3, a US SOCOM report concerning the modern MK 18, 10.5" barreled grandchild of the M733) , and as such, will not provide very good fragmentation at distances beyond punching range.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_2700.html

==FNC rifle update==
I changed the entry for the FNC rifle. I spoke to all of the armorers on set on this film and everyone says that the rifle was a full auto FNC (imported in the early 1980s) that was chopped and fired semi only at the behest of Director Mann. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==1911 & clones handguns==
The handgun seen on the SISs officier near the end seems to be an LA Vickers Custom, based on the Springfield Loaded pistol, with an extended magwell (you can clearly see the extension on the pistol). The LA Vickers Custom was one of the 1911 handguns delivered by Property Division to the LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom II was selected as standard issue for the LAPD (and later the Kimber SIS for the SIS officers)

:It's possible, but I dunno if you can assume that. It's always a bad idea to assume that just because a certain law enforcement agency/unit or military uses a particular gun in real life, the exact same weapon is being used in a particular movie. There are a lot of movies that depict NYPD officers using Glock 17s instead of 19s, or that depict Secret Service Agents using SIG-Sauer P226s instead of P228s/P229s, for instance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Yeah sure, but it looks like they at least tried to replicate it. Well i think we can say its a Government pistol with a magwell extension.

==Empty P220 anyone==
During the ending section, where Neil shots Trejo, Van Zant and Waingro, then shoots at Hannah, he fires a total of 8 rounds from his P220. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but a P220 carries an 8 round mag of .45 ACP rounds, so when Neil is lying in wait for Hannah just before the end, wouldn't he be empty? That is, of course, if he never reloaded.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't he have reloaded?
::Perhaps he had 1 round in the chamber, plus the 8-round magazine. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::True, but that would still only warrant him one more shot.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

He had fired the weapon previously, not firing the complete magazine. He then makes an exit from his "combat zone", no competent shooter in the world would enter a new "combat zone" (i.e. the hotel) with an intended purpose of using that weapon against unknown number of combatants with a half empty, low-cap magazine. Not only is this something a trained shooter would do (as the film suggest Neil has autodidactically become), it is simply common sense to do so and I stress to think of anyone who would make this mistake.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

==Car Chase==
It's funny: I was just on the street in downtown L.A. today where they filmed the shootout in this movie between the LAPD and McCauley's gang. Remember the part where McCauley, Cheritto, and Shiherlis got in the getaway car and drove off only to be stopped by a police roadblock? They made that sequence seem longer than it really would've been in reality. When I was on Fifth Street today, I looked, thought about it, and realized: they drove roughly one block before stopping, but it seemed like a much greater distance in the film. Just wanted to point that out. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Well, what can I say...you've stumbled upon one of the nuances of direction. Depending on editing and filming, a scene like that can appear to take place over a longer distance than it actually does. Even though Mann might have only been able to get the city to close down one or two blocks for filming (which, when you think about it, makes perfect sense), they can still make the scale of the battle feel larger and more epic with good direction. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh yeah, its still a great scene. In my opinion, I think it is one of the greatest movie gunbattles ever. It reminds me of the escalator shootout at Grand Central Station in ''[[Carlito's Way]]''. It kept going for a really long time because it was a very epic gunfight. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==Hanna's Guns==
I was also just thinking about this: the filmmakers got most of the LAPD's weapons right. Patrol Officers carry Beretta's and Remington's (of course I don't think the LAPD used Mossbergs, but whatever. Maybe they did, idk), SWAT carries 1911's, MP5s, etc. You get the point. But what I found really interesting was Hanna's choice of weapons. A Colt Officer's ACP with ivory grips and an FN FNC. Now those are weapons I've never heard of any American police department using. Anyways, I just thought that was kinda odd. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree but on the other hand, I think, plot-wise or character-wise Hanna's choice makes sense.
Maybe Hanna's guns were chosen for dramatic reasons, to show, how much a loner he was. You know, he's not playing by the rules, so he doesn't use the same guns as the rest of the team. And since he's the best cop ever, of course he's allowed to carry any gun he wants. Something like that. There are many movies in which the hero-cops carry stranger guns (Remember Sam Elliott playing a NY-cop with a .45 Winchester Magnum LAR Grizzly Pistol?).
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

With obvious reason, undercover officers, especially those conducting long term investigation with a cover, quite often are assigned with weapons that are not standard department issue (or often smaller carry pieces of those weapons). In the case of Sam Elliot's character, this is an obvious exaggeration and the weapon what just picked to be cool. Hanna's gun, I'm guessing, was just Mann picking a very cool little gun that he liked and thought would give Hanna some extra personality.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 21:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==KP90==
:I do not think that Cheritto would be the kind of guy who would use this sort of pistol over something better like a Hi-Power or M1911. He seems like a fellow "Gun Guy", who would not be caught dead with such a crappy sidearm-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What makes the KP90 so "crappy"?
I´ve shot a few rounds with a P89 some years ago. Can't say, it was a bad gun.

BTW I´ve always been under the impression, there are no really bad guns. Only bad shots.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 13:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:It doesn't matter how good a shot you are if your pistol falls apart when you fire it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

And the KP90 tends to "fall apart"? Never heard of that. Any experiences?
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't, a lot of the P-series Rugers have a reputation for reliability earning them the nickname "Bricks with Triggers." S&WShooter, just because you don't like a certain gun doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you or that a gunman's credibility should be questioned because he chooses to carry it. Your opinion is not the final say on a gun's quality. For instance, many people prefer weapons with double-action triggers like the P-series Rugers over the single action 1911 and Hi-Power you adore so much.

S&WShooter is an example of "MY BRANDS ARE BEST!!! REST ARE CRAP!!!" kind of person. Little experiance yet big talk.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Chuck Adamson. The real life inspiration for Vincent Hanna.==
[[Image:St46 (2).jpg|thumb|350px|none|([[Chuck Adamson]]) as Barry Dorgan in blue blazer in ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]''. Adamson was the real life inspiration for the character Vincent Hanna in ''[[Heat]]''.]]
He retired as a Lt. with the Chicago PD. He was the guy that Micheal Mann modeled Vincent Hanna after. He was a technical advisor on ''[[Heat]]'' and I believe the televison series ''[[Crime Story]]'' which was also produced by Mann.Chuck Adamson passed away on 02/22/2008. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:That's interesting. I remember hearing Hanna was based on a real cop, but didn't know much about him. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

:On the special DVD release of ''Heat'' there is an interview with Adamson. He talks about an actual case that he worked in the early sixties in Chicago and how they ended up taking down the crew in a gun battle. Evidently this case was the inspiration for the television show ''Crime Story'' and the two movies ''L.A. Takedown'' and ''Heat''. Supposedly Adamson and [[Dennis Farina]] worked together when they were both Chicago cops. Just some interesting neat to know trivia. Impress people at parties. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Duct tape? ==

At the beginning, I see DeNiro's Colt Model 654 with duct tape on the handguard. Is there a purpose for it? Because this has always bothered me when I rewatch the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that it's to either make damn sure there are no fingerprints, or help it burn with that incendiary, or help with gripping the gun some way, or just look cool. Knowing Michael Mann, it's probably one of the former three, rather than the latter, and I'm guessing mostly the grip one.-protoAuthor 19:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, we can rule out the first option because De Niro is wearing gloves. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::I thought the duct tape was attaching a stop watch to the rifle, could be wrong though. -Toadvine

Here is what I read on TvTrope's page on gun accessories 'Soldiers often wrap tape around the base of a magazine to make it easier to handle, since it's usually smooth; companies such as Magpul now make slide-on grips, purpose-built magazine baseplates which include grips, and even whole magazines with gripped sides. Other options include transparent polymer magazines so you can more easily see how much ammunition you have left (with the downside that so can everyone else). Tape is also commonly wrapped around the base of a magazine to differentiate one end from another, which can be difficult in the heat of the moment, as most magazines are symmetrical. Tape can also be used to signify different bullet types within the magazine.' --~~

:::Toadvine is correct. He has duct tape on the hand guards because he has a stop watch attached to the rifle, which he uses to time the police response. It has nothing to do with making the rifle easier to hold (and TyTrope's page is talking about '''magazines'''; we're talking about the '''hand guards''', so that discussion is irrelevant). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Kind of cinematic/firearms related but I remember seeing a movie in the 1980's called "[[L.A. Takedown]]" and when I saw ''[[Heat]]'' I thought they had ripped off the movie. Then I read an article which confirmed Mann had made both and had considered the former a "dress rehearsal" for the latter. Anyways, I remember in ''"Takedown"'' the lead actor in the movie used a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] in the final shootout proving, at least in my opinion, Mann always managed to make the weapons in his productions as exotic as the actors in them. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:Well maybe for LA Takedown, but in his other movies from Heat, Collateral, Miami Vice, and Public Enemies, the weapons weren't really "exotic". Maybe the SIG 552 used in Miami Vice, but all other guns since Heat were pretty normal. To me, it's the style of combat that is shown in Mann's movies that catches your eyes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::Actually I should have said Mann delivers a little more variety in his flicks, television shows. With most "standard" police/crime dramas they have the usual firearms (Glocks, Berettas, AR-15 clones of some sort) whereas Mann adds things like the Strayer-Voigt Tiki in [[Miami Vice]], the FNC in [[Heat]], that sort of thing. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Hanna also used a nickel plated [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "LA Takedown", further proving your point. I know someone using a SIG isn't that uncommon nowadays, but it was rare back in 1989. At that time, only ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Robocop]]'' featured the 226. And this was the first time that a nickel model was used. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I too remember "LA Takedown". I thought it was cool to see the USAS-12 in action. I'm pretty sure it was the USAS-12 and not a Franchi SPAS-15. The only reason being that it was making the firearms writers circuit at the time, and it stood out with the 10-shot magazine onscreen. I still think that part of the anniversary Edition of HEAT should have been inclusion of LA Takedown, as I've not found a Region 1 DVD of it! - BC2009 19 December 2009

::::The shotgun used in "L.A. Takedown" was a SPAS-15, not a USAS-12. There are plenty of screengrabs of the movie online which confirm that the SPAS-15 was used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

I stand corrected. I found video clips of the movie, including the bank heist/shootout. Daniel Baldwin started out with the SPAS-15. Standing erect in a "proper" hi-power rifle stance. God I'm glad to see part of the movie again!

== A social history of the SPAS-15 (from an old fart) ==

Not only was the SPAS-15 considered to be exotic when it was used in ''[[L.A. Takedown]]'', but thanks to an executive order signed by President George Bush (the first one) it wasn't being imported into the United States along with many other foreign manufactured "assault weapons". It's my understanding that very few (I don't have an exact count) were shipped into the U.S. before Bush had an knee jerk reaction to a school shooting in Stockton(?) California in 1988 and stopped the importation of a whole bunch of different firearms based on their cosmetic appearances. I believe the shooter in Stockton used some type of AK-47 variant. Some of you guys are too young to remember the eighties and early nineties. And you're lucky.

There was approximately a fifteen year stretch from 1979 - 1994. It started with a school shooting in San Diego, California on 01/29/1979 (Brenda Ann Spencer. When asked why she stated "I don't like Mondays. Which was the inspiration for the song by the Boomtown Rats "I don't Like Mondays".) and culminating with the signing of the so called "Crime Bill" in 1994 by Clinton in which gunowners couldn't catch a break. Not one. Well there were a couple wins for us, but not many.Everytime you turned around some city or state was (effectively) outlawing gunownership and gunowners were ignored and percieved as whackos. Believe it or not things are better now. Much better in my opinion.

Actually one could argue that the real bad times for American gunowners started with Whitman and his shooting spree from the tower in Austin, Texas or perhaps when the WWII veteran went on a shooting spree in Trenton, New Jersy in 47/48. But I remember the 79 shooting and that's where I started keeping track.

Anyway the SPAS-15 was a victim of that time period. Just look at this as FYI. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
::To be fair, no one was importing the SPAS-15 as of May 1989 when the suspension of importation of 'assault weapons' started (temporarily and then made permanent via very fanciful 're-interpretation of existing law' by the ATF). Bush the elder could only temporarily suspend imports being that they were LEGAL and LAWFUL items. But the ATF managed to figure out a way to re-interpret the 'sporting clause' for imported guns from the Gun Control Act of 1968. But by 1989 there weren't that many SPAS-15 shotguns in the country. They were too expensive, too clunky and shotguns like the Benelli M series of shotguns were the 'cool' tactical shotguns to have. I tried to find a SPAS-15 in 1989 and the only ones out there were used ones, no new ones had been imported for YEARS due to poor sales. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==The new pic that Ben41 uploaded==
With the supposed M16A1 with A2 handguards. that looks like a Heavy barrel, so it would NOT be an A1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So it's an actual A2? Should it be changed?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:How can it be an M16A2? It has an M16A1 receiver.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh? The only difference between an A1 and A2 lower receiver (other than the 3 round burst) is that the back end of the A2 receiver is slightly fatter to resist cracking the ring that holds the rear buffer tube. How can you tell it's an A1 lower? I have to HOLD the two together in person in order to see the difference. Now if it's an SP1 lower, then that can be seen from a distance. If it is an SP1 lower (aka original M16 slab side) then an AR15 Heavy barreled upper receiver was installed on it. Either way, it's a franken gun and should be described in as much detail as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a franken gun. We all know that. But we can't call it an M16A2 because of the lower receiver. I'm talking about the whole receiver here. The A1 lower and the A2 lower are almost the same thing. Except for the grip if you can say that the grip is part of the receiver. But the uppers are very different. I can tell the difference between the M16A2 and the M16 in Heat because of the upper receiver. The M16A2 upper has an Brass defletor and an different rear sight while the M16A1 upper has no deflector and a different sight. Of course I don't really know if the barrel is part of the upper receiver or if it can be removed. I also don't know if the sights can be separeted from the A1 or the A2 receiver, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==Video Game==
:I hope it actually gets made [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803002/]

:I don't know. Movie games tend to suck. It hasn't had a really good track record [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:That's usually when games are released the same day the movie is, causing the developers to rush-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

True. The Godfather games are good but they were able to take their time on both of them.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== Reorganizing Page ==

What do people think about reorganizing page by weapons? Since this is one of the most popular pages, I wanted to see if it's okay before I do it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:What do you have in mind for order? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]\\

I was thinking by type of gun.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 10:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
: With a Page that gets so many views from the general public, I was theorizing about a change in how we normally organize sections. Previously we did it from smallest to largest (Pistols, SMGs, Assault rifles/Rifles, Shotguns, LMGs, HMGs, Destructive Devices, Misc) But the MOST asked questions in the blogosphere/internet deals with the assault rifles used in the street shootout. That one scene spawns the most questions asked by the general (and generally gun ignorant public), so I was wondering if we should begin the page with the most asked about weapons (Assault rifles, SMGS, Shotguns, handguns), basically going in reverse order for this one page. Most of the curiosity revolves around Al Pacino's FNC and the Colt 733s used in the fight. Just a thought. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

: ''BTW, I'm getting a photo of a REAL 733 tonight. Keep an eye out! WOO HOO! (the previous pic was one of my guns that was just a chopped carbine (when I bought it) so the pic is actually a fake 733, just like the C&C HK94s or the fake MP5Ks made from SP89s)'' [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Why not organizing guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Since this is a reference site, I find that it's easier to look it up by the type of weapon rather than by trying to remember when a particular weapon appeared in the film. This doesn't have to be the case for every film, but one with so many weapons featured, I think the way MPM talked about would work best. Let me know what the consensus is. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with Ben41. For pages with 10+ guns I find that it is easier to look for something if it is categorized by type, especially when there are so many screencaps per weapon. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 02:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:What about type of guns and in each section, you list guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Hanna is shooting at Shiherlis ==

[[Image:HeatFNFNC-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanna fires his [[FN FNC|FN FNC-80]] at... nothing. Hanna tells his men before the gunfight to take clear shots and watch their backgrounds. All I see in his firing line is running civilians. This half of the screen was likely not visible in the original release, which wasn't in anamorphic widescreen.]]

In this image, the caption said that Hanna was shooting at no one and looks to be firing at bystanders. In reality, this shot was taken at the exact same time Shiherlis stopped shooting and finally got into the getaway care, and when the suppressing fire from Shiherlis stopped, Hanna came out of cover to shoot back, only to see Shiherlis wasn't there anymore. In my opinion, Hanna seems to be shooting at where Shiherlis was a moment ago before he stepped into the car. The camera angle makes it appear he's shooting directly ahead, when he is shooting towards the getaway car. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

This is definitely a camera angle quirk, my guess is that he is firing at the back window of the vehicle.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== Organizing ==

I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Andy McNab training ==

I just saw the behind the scenes feature and I didn't know the famous SAS operator, Andy McNab was behind the training for the De Niro and his bank robber characters and a different SAS guy, Mike Gould, training for police did Al Picino and his guys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

well for an actor , al pacino dose a lot of running in the down town shootout.simmons 8492

What does that have to do with the training he and the other actors recieved? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

well obviously he had to train for that scean, im sure all the actors did , im just suprised that he did it and wasnt needing oxygen after. just saying. simmons 8492

::Oh got ya. Actually Pacino should have been sweating and breathing hard at the end of the bank robbery gunfight. He might also have been shaking a little bit from all the adrenalin blasting through his body. Oh well movie magic. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:44, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

In the movie both Hanna and McCauley are former marines (Nate's intel on Hanna and McCauley's arm tat when he wakes up at Eady's). --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 02:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

put pacino and De Niro arent , so that SAS trainer realy got them in shape. simmons 8492

And you have to think movie production. They do scenes, especially big shootout scenes in sections and not one big go...Most of the time. They also do a lot of retakes as well as position the camera on different angles so it looked like they ran farther than they actually did. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:22, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure where I read this but the whole scene was filmed within a block or two , due to camera tricks it looks like they covered a lots of distance. --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 16:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

thats true , but mann isint like those others . he dosent do the whole cut up shit . he probable had them redo it to get it right . simmons 8492

::It's very well-known that McNab and Gould were the weapons/tactics advisers on this movie. Gould also makes a cameo in the film. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

who dose he play? simmons 8492

In the film we know that both Hanna and McCauley were former US Marines, but would a Marine receive the extent of training needed to be proficient in CQB as portrayed by the two main characters in the film? I mean think about it; Hanna and McCauley would have joined the Marine Corp probably during the 70's or early 80'. Now I am unfamiliar with how exactly US Army and Marine Corp trained soldiers during that time in regards to trigger discipline and CQB, but I know that the training soldiers receive now in CQB is different then the CQB training given in the past. When I asked my father, who joined the Army as an Infantry officer in the late 70's, about the training he received in regards to CQB he told me he didn't really receive CQB training at all. I know that special forces groups such as the British SAS were masters in CQB during those eras but what about regular infantry? I also know that Hanna would have received more training throughout his career as a cop, but what about McCauley? I point out McCauley cause he probably would have left the Marine Corps sometime in the mid 80's, and started his criminal career most likely after he got out. AND YES I KNOW THIS IS JUST A MOVIE. -[[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:Ok, Marine training is a little different from the regular army. I've heard from the older Marines I know about how they joke how the Army "ain't shit" compared to them. The Marines have always been a bit more specialized than the Army since WWII. McCauley most likely honed his CQB tactics during his career as a robber. Obviously he and the others on his team had worked long enough as a unit 02:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

first off , damm second im sure the marines trained him well enough in CQB . i mean being out of the service dosent realy matter . muscel memory kicks in and McCauly rembers all the things he was taught and does them without even thing . simmons 8492

first off , let me just say that heat is one of the best fims , second the entire LA bank job and shoot out , from when De Nero walks in to the bank , til pacino kills Tom sizemore is easly the best shootout in film history . and the training the entire cast went threw is mind blowing , al pacino running to De Neros CQB training , michael mann did an outstanding job . it is my opnion that this is movie gold. simmons 8492

i know this is a bit out of place , but i was watching this last night and wanted to know , when hanna is looking for McCauley in the airfield he fires his sidearm 4 time with three rounds in a nice triangular shape . my question is , where did his first round hit ? once again , i know this is out of place but i fiugred he would have been trained where to shoot him . [[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Cheritto's Galil==
What confused me during the bank shootout was that unlike his partners Chris and McCauley who were armed with Colt 733s, why was Cheritto armed with an IMI Galil ARM during the bank robbery? The person who wrote the Colt 733 section gave a good description of why the crew used Colt 733s in the bank job. However, no one really gave a good reason why Cheritto was armed with a rifle that was a longer barrel and even with its buttstock folded sticked out underneath his blazer when exiting from the bank. Was there a practical tactical reason for Cheritto to be armed with the Galil or did the production simply didn't have enough Colt 733s? [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:'''Story-wise''', the answer is probably that McCauley's crew was unable to purchase enough ARs for all of them. '''Behind the scenes''', my guess is that Michael Mann just really wanted to have a Galil in the movie. Of course, there are short-barreled versions of the Galil available, which would have made more sense for concealment purposes, but maybe Stembridge (the company which supplied the weapons for ''[[Heat]]'') didn't have any short-barreled Galils in stock. Any way, short answer is that there is probably no practical reason. This is a movie. You are over-thinking it too much.

:On a side note, the original script had them all using HK53s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the Galil ARM pretty much a light machine gun variant of the AR and can substan more automatic fire than most light barreled assualt rifle? Maybe the needed some sort of support gunner as he does have five more bullets in his mags and can lay down fire much more than your standard M733.---P226 21:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Too bad we didn't see much shots of him in the movie using the Galil. It would have been nice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Heh, guess we have Pacino to blame for the Galil's lack of use.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 23:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Well Cheritto isn't the top character, he isn't even top billing. Otherwise, he would have been on the movie poster [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Just so happened that this movie was an TV tonight, and I turned on just after the shoot-out started. Would I be correct in assuming that the Galil that is used is a semi automatic only conversion? It seems that he only ever fires with it in SA, and considering the prolific use of full auto by the other characters, if this gun was capable he would have fired in full auto also. It makes the choice of gun even stranger, considering it rules out the possibility that he was using it as a sort of LSW as the original ARM was intended. Suppose it could just be personal preference, also to the layman the Galil has the look of an "Evil" gun, and is used by the sort of person who picks up a child as a shield. This contrasts with the other two more sympathetic robbers, who use the "Good" looking Armalite type weapons. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Galil looks like an "evil" gun? It has an exotic look and feel to it but not "evil" about it. We also don't get any real character development from Cheritto than we do for the other two guys on the team. If you remember the opening armored car robbery, he was using a FAL while the other 2 veterans had their AR-15s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, but you are not the layman in terms of guns. I do not see at as an "evil" gun either, but to the majority of the public, the Galil looks like an AK, so looks evil. Was just my take on the character that he was less sympathetic than the other two, and was a more traditional "bad guy", so this gun was more suited to him. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 17:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

== Odd ==

Has anyone else noticed that, despite his character being married, Pacino is not wearing a wedding ring? I know it's not gun related, I just find this odd, and want to know if anyone else has seen this.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Not odd at all...first its a marriage that isnt so good and second he is a high profile police officer that doesnt need the add attention of a wedding ring.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 02:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Huh. The first reason I get, get would a wedding really attract more attention than the big ass ring on his right hand?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

To a bad guy...a wedding ring on your enemies hand means leverage.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Then doesn't him flat out telling DeNiro's character that he's married defeat the purpose?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 18:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Red Dead Redemption

2010-12-15T19:16:52Z

TheDon: /* Colt M1911 */

Holy patron saint of awesome there's a fucking C96 in the game. I dont care about historical innacuracies, Im glad they finally put this gun in another game. Plus I've been wanting to see it in another western setting since Joe Kidd. Plus I can get all...Lawrence of arabia-y...anyone agree?--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Its not inaccurate, the game takes place in 1908.

Wrong the game takes place in 1911. First C96 was released in 1899

And now I know. AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Well played sir.

Il Grande Silenzio (aka The Great Silence) also features C96 used by the main character in deadly effect. Brilliant movie, you should see it.--[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 12:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Will do. Now, if somebody would just make a game where I could use a webley other than Bioshock/Darksector. And a mauser. AT THE SAME TIME WOAH!!!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 18:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
==This page's format==
Nice work so far. I look forward to seeing the page's creators fix the minor page layout errors. i.e. don't put a LINK to the gun page. Write an original paragraph about who uses the gun and how it appears in the game and hyperlink the gun NAME to the gun page. Remember to check the rules & standards, the titles in the sections are never hyperlinked, only the name of the gun in the written section describing the usage in the game. Also every image should have THUMB in the wiki line with a size designator and the IMFDB page standard descriptors in the gun image and the screenshot. Any insightful summaries about the game and it's back story would also be nice. good job. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on adding details about each weapon until after the game is released, and more info is available, also, this is my first try at editing a wiki. (Wematanye)

How come there's no 1887 shotguns. They'd make more sense than an Auto-5 or a pump-action. Browing designed the lever-action specifically for frontiersmen.
(Hughjefender)

== Mannlicher M95 or Carcano 38? ==

The rifle which is currently called the "Mannlicher 1895" seems to be rather a Carcano 38 which can be seen at the front barrel band. Lookt it up on surplusrifle or google. The Austrian Mannlicher 95 has a different band. Furthermore, but I am not 100% sure about this, the Austrians did not shorten the M95s before WWI. So no matter which rifle it is it is anachronistic in all cases, but it really looks like a Carcano 38.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]]

Hi it's me again. I just saw that the rifle was positively identified as a Carcano by a recently added screenshot, showing the characteristic magazine which distinguishes the Italian Mannlicher Carcano from the Austrian Steyr Mannlicher M95. Thus the Mannlicher 95 could be removed from the "Needs positive Identification" section.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]] 19 April 2010

==Colt M1911==
:I was on the Red Dead Redemption wiki the other day and the good ole 1911 was listed as a usable weapon-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Well the game is set in 1911 (From what I've been told) so could it possible? [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 09:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:The game is actually set in 1908 from what I've heard. Chris_Hun7er 17:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The red dead wiki has a number of weapons that are unconfirmed. They are either just hopeful or mistaken, confusing the Bordchart for a Luger and the Colt 1903/1908 for a 1911
I have also heard it being set in 1911 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Where did you hear that? all official statements I have heard say 1908.

I couldn't specifically tell you, but I believe it was from a few gaming sites (Games Radar, IGN, Game Informer etc.) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I had heard the game took place in 1908, which wouldn't make the 1911 appropriate...however who's to say all of the games events take place in the year 1908...esspecially since they talk about the mexican revolution being apart of the game which happened in 1911

:Well it would make the 1911 very inappropriate actually. And the game doesn't actually contain the revolution proper, but rather the events leading up to the revolution. That being said I highly doubt the 1911 would be in the same game when the 1903/1908 is already confirmed. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I'se reading the Playstation Store description of the game and it says that the game takes place in 1911.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.189.181|74.177.189.181]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it goes from 1908 to 1911? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Well we'll all find out tomorrow children. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's official, no 1911, no luger, no colt walker, no colt navy, no springfield 1903, no winchester 1887, or anything else people have claimed to see in the game or heard from someone. All small arms have already been identified. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 19:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for reference, the games does take place in 1911, it's on the back of the box [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

But the map in the actual game says 1910 on it.

Yeah, but that could just mean you have a year old map.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.12|74.177.136.12]] 20:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely set in 1911. If you look at (SPOILERS)John's tombstone, you'll see he died in 1911. (END SPOILERS) However, it is possible that the game starts in 1910, but transitions to 1911 at some point. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The game goes from 1908-1914. It starts in 1908, John dies in 1911, and then you start playing as Jack in 1914.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Merged Carcano Rifle ==
Just a heads up, I moved the image in "Carcano Rifle Scoped" to "Carcano Rifle" and deleted the "Carcano Rifle Scoped" section. Chris_Hun7er 5:50, 10 May 2010

== Krag/body ==

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the actual rifle, but does the second Krag-Jorgensen screen shot show a naked person hanging from the ceiling?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

It certainly does. And according to some early reviews there is much worse to be found in the game. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 23:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean in terms of brutality or of nudity?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Both from the sound of it[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 00:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Hurrah for gratuitous violence!-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if that's the scene I believe it is, if you inspect the dead body after the cutscene you can see that his genitals have been cut off. Lovely. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colt New Service/Colt New Army ==

has it been positively identified yet?

==Changed the protection level on this page==
Now you must log in as a user to edit. It keeps all the anonymous kids from undoing all your hard work :) MPM2008 (a mod)

==Um glock?==

why is there a pic of an animated glock on page?
:Anonymous User [[Special:Contributions/72.82.219.161|72.82.219.161]] put it on the page, perhaps not realizing that Example.jpg linked to a different image. ANYWAY, that's one reason why I BLOCKED anonymous users from editing this page. Dumb stuff like that. It has been fixed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Thoughts?==
So Now that RDR has hit the streets, what do you guys think of it? I bought it thinking it would be fun, but nothing more than GTA IV in the West. Boy was I ever wrong! This has so much more to offer, and is one of the best games to come out in recent years. The combat is exciting and fun, the graphics are stunning, the story is awesome, and the sound effects are pure western! Just picking up an old Krag or SAA and capping some Mexican rebels or gang members if a hoot. The Multiplayer will keep you playing after the epic story is completed, and I think this is a game everybody should pick up. Besides minor glitches, it's perfect, 10 out of 10![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The funny part is that the glitches actually added to the fun (for me at least). Seeing flying deer or riding an invisible horse is simply gold [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 22:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I love the game. Granted, the story isn't the greatest, but it's still an amazing game, especially in terms of gameplay. If they made a sequel, I would certainly buy it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==Maxim==
According to rockstar social club (lists in-depth analysis of kills and such) its labeled as a Browning, which is quite possible considering that a water cooled m1919 did exist, and it looked similar. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 00:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Actually it's a Browning M1917, my bad. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 22:26, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
anyone going to change it?[[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:Either way, it's anachronistic, since the game is set in 1911. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::Who changed it back? Most of the game is anachronistic. It's a Browning not a Maxim...[[Special:Contributions/98.64.227.225|98.64.227.225]]

==Quigley==

Who is John Quigley?
Do you perhaps mean Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under or is that a different person? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probably the name Quigley is a small cameo. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No, humazie3 is right, it is actually supposed to be Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under. The character Quigley uses a Sharps rifle. --[[User:1morey|1morey]]

== Mauser C96 ==

The Mauser C96 in-game is NOT fully automatic, just semi (as the "Savvy merchant caption" picture already states). Please change that. --[[Special:Contributions/85.3.141.99|85.3.141.99]] 17:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:In single player it's fully automatic. [[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

In Multiplayer it is still full-auto, its just REALLY slow [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 03:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The pistol isn't anachronistic, either, considering that the game is set in 1911 and the first C96 was released in 1899.

== Golden Guns ==

If any of youse guys have golden guns, screencap them and upload them. I only have the Borchart and the New Service. I'll get the borchart up later today [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

== High Power Pistol ==

Just read on another site. They claim that the high power is actually the FN 1903 NOT the Colt 1903. Kinda makes sense figure I'll leave it up to someone else to make sure.

Its definatly the FN 1903, Look at the slide lenght. I'm no good at this so can someone else please change it for me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== LeMat loading ==

Hold up, if the LeMat is not a break-top revolver, how does it load?
: It's a percussion revolver, so it loads by packing the front of the cylinders. Look at the frame by frame shots of a LeMat being loaded in this film: [[The Quick and the Dead]]. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::There were actually pinfire and centerfire versions that loaded via gate like a Colt SAA. There's a picture of the centerfire version uploaded on this site. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

==Needs Positive Identification==

===Unknown Revolver===

I noticed a nickel finished revolver on one screencap, that could be the Schofield but looks somewhat different:
[http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1738/reddeadredemptionplayst.jpg]
Any ideas?

It could be the Colt New Service swing out revolver with a nickel finish

That's just the way the enemy guns look, makes it easier to spot when you go to pick up ammunition. They make the Winchesters look like '66 "Yellow Boys" because of that effect. -Cole Thorton

Yeah, Cole is right. It looks like it has a nickel finish, but all enemy guns look that way. Hell, the SAA looks chromed half the time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== heh ==

If you read closely, you'll find out that the scope reticle on the carcano is anarchist;
; "An ''anarchistic'' feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, as most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs"

Talk:Red Dead Redemption

2010-12-15T19:16:00Z

TheDon: /* Colt M1911 */

Holy patron saint of awesome there's a fucking C96 in the game. I dont care about historical innacuracies, Im glad they finally put this gun in another game. Plus I've been wanting to see it in another western setting since Joe Kidd. Plus I can get all...Lawrence of arabia-y...anyone agree?--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Its not inaccurate, the game takes place in 1908.

Wrong the game takes place in 1911. First C96 was released in 1899

And now I know. AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Well played sir.

Il Grande Silenzio (aka The Great Silence) also features C96 used by the main character in deadly effect. Brilliant movie, you should see it.--[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 12:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Will do. Now, if somebody would just make a game where I could use a webley other than Bioshock/Darksector. And a mauser. AT THE SAME TIME WOAH!!!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 18:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
==This page's format==
Nice work so far. I look forward to seeing the page's creators fix the minor page layout errors. i.e. don't put a LINK to the gun page. Write an original paragraph about who uses the gun and how it appears in the game and hyperlink the gun NAME to the gun page. Remember to check the rules & standards, the titles in the sections are never hyperlinked, only the name of the gun in the written section describing the usage in the game. Also every image should have THUMB in the wiki line with a size designator and the IMFDB page standard descriptors in the gun image and the screenshot. Any insightful summaries about the game and it's back story would also be nice. good job. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on adding details about each weapon until after the game is released, and more info is available, also, this is my first try at editing a wiki. (Wematanye)

How come there's no 1887 shotguns. They'd make more sense than an Auto-5 or a pump-action. Browing designed the lever-action specifically for frontiersmen.
(Hughjefender)

== Mannlicher M95 or Carcano 38? ==

The rifle which is currently called the "Mannlicher 1895" seems to be rather a Carcano 38 which can be seen at the front barrel band. Lookt it up on surplusrifle or google. The Austrian Mannlicher 95 has a different band. Furthermore, but I am not 100% sure about this, the Austrians did not shorten the M95s before WWI. So no matter which rifle it is it is anachronistic in all cases, but it really looks like a Carcano 38.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]]

Hi it's me again. I just saw that the rifle was positively identified as a Carcano by a recently added screenshot, showing the characteristic magazine which distinguishes the Italian Mannlicher Carcano from the Austrian Steyr Mannlicher M95. Thus the Mannlicher 95 could be removed from the "Needs positive Identification" section.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]] 19 April 2010

==Colt M1911==
:I was on the Red Dead Redemption wiki the other day and the good ole 1911 was listed as a usable weapon-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Well the game is set in 1911 (From what I've been told) so could it possible? [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 09:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:The game is actually set in 1908 from what I've heard. Chris_Hun7er 17:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The red dead wiki has a number of weapons that are unconfirmed. They are either just hopeful or mistaken, confusing the Bordchart for a Luger and the Colt 1903/1908 for a 1911
I have also heard it being set in 1911 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Where did you hear that? all official statements I have heard say 1908.

I couldn't specifically tell you, but I believe it was from a few gaming sites (Games Radar, IGN, Game Informer etc.) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I had heard the game took place in 1908, which wouldn't make the 1911 appropriate...however who's to say all of the games events take place in the year 1908...esspecially since they talk about the mexican revolution being apart of the game which happened in 1911

:Well it would make the 1911 very inappropriate actually. And the game doesn't actually contain the revolution proper, but rather the events leading up to the revolution. That being said I highly doubt the 1911 would be in the same game when the 1903/1908 is already confirmed. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I'se reading the Playstation Store description of the game and it says that the game takes place in 1911.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.189.181|74.177.189.181]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it goes from 1908 to 1911? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Well we'll all find out tomorrow children. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's official, no 1911, no luger, no colt walker, no colt navy, no springfield 1903, no winchester 1887, or anything else people have claimed to see in the game or heard from someone. All small arms have already been identified. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 19:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for reference, the games does take place in 1911, it's on the back of the box [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

But the map in the actual game says 1910 on it.

Yeah, but that could just mean you have a year old map.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.12|74.177.136.12]] 20:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely set in 1911. If you look at (SPOILERS)John's tombstone, you'll see he died in 1911. (END SPOILERS) However, it is possible that the game starts in 1910, but transitions to 1911 at some point. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The game starts in 1908, John dies in 1911, and then you start playing as Jack in 1914.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Merged Carcano Rifle ==
Just a heads up, I moved the image in "Carcano Rifle Scoped" to "Carcano Rifle" and deleted the "Carcano Rifle Scoped" section. Chris_Hun7er 5:50, 10 May 2010

== Krag/body ==

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the actual rifle, but does the second Krag-Jorgensen screen shot show a naked person hanging from the ceiling?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

It certainly does. And according to some early reviews there is much worse to be found in the game. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 23:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean in terms of brutality or of nudity?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Both from the sound of it[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 00:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Hurrah for gratuitous violence!-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if that's the scene I believe it is, if you inspect the dead body after the cutscene you can see that his genitals have been cut off. Lovely. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colt New Service/Colt New Army ==

has it been positively identified yet?

==Changed the protection level on this page==
Now you must log in as a user to edit. It keeps all the anonymous kids from undoing all your hard work :) MPM2008 (a mod)

==Um glock?==

why is there a pic of an animated glock on page?
:Anonymous User [[Special:Contributions/72.82.219.161|72.82.219.161]] put it on the page, perhaps not realizing that Example.jpg linked to a different image. ANYWAY, that's one reason why I BLOCKED anonymous users from editing this page. Dumb stuff like that. It has been fixed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Thoughts?==
So Now that RDR has hit the streets, what do you guys think of it? I bought it thinking it would be fun, but nothing more than GTA IV in the West. Boy was I ever wrong! This has so much more to offer, and is one of the best games to come out in recent years. The combat is exciting and fun, the graphics are stunning, the story is awesome, and the sound effects are pure western! Just picking up an old Krag or SAA and capping some Mexican rebels or gang members if a hoot. The Multiplayer will keep you playing after the epic story is completed, and I think this is a game everybody should pick up. Besides minor glitches, it's perfect, 10 out of 10![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The funny part is that the glitches actually added to the fun (for me at least). Seeing flying deer or riding an invisible horse is simply gold [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 22:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I love the game. Granted, the story isn't the greatest, but it's still an amazing game, especially in terms of gameplay. If they made a sequel, I would certainly buy it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==Maxim==
According to rockstar social club (lists in-depth analysis of kills and such) its labeled as a Browning, which is quite possible considering that a water cooled m1919 did exist, and it looked similar. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 00:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Actually it's a Browning M1917, my bad. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 22:26, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
anyone going to change it?[[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:Either way, it's anachronistic, since the game is set in 1911. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::Who changed it back? Most of the game is anachronistic. It's a Browning not a Maxim...[[Special:Contributions/98.64.227.225|98.64.227.225]]

==Quigley==

Who is John Quigley?
Do you perhaps mean Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under or is that a different person? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probably the name Quigley is a small cameo. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No, humazie3 is right, it is actually supposed to be Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under. The character Quigley uses a Sharps rifle. --[[User:1morey|1morey]]

== Mauser C96 ==

The Mauser C96 in-game is NOT fully automatic, just semi (as the "Savvy merchant caption" picture already states). Please change that. --[[Special:Contributions/85.3.141.99|85.3.141.99]] 17:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:In single player it's fully automatic. [[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

In Multiplayer it is still full-auto, its just REALLY slow [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 03:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The pistol isn't anachronistic, either, considering that the game is set in 1911 and the first C96 was released in 1899.

== Golden Guns ==

If any of youse guys have golden guns, screencap them and upload them. I only have the Borchart and the New Service. I'll get the borchart up later today [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

== High Power Pistol ==

Just read on another site. They claim that the high power is actually the FN 1903 NOT the Colt 1903. Kinda makes sense figure I'll leave it up to someone else to make sure.

Its definatly the FN 1903, Look at the slide lenght. I'm no good at this so can someone else please change it for me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== LeMat loading ==

Hold up, if the LeMat is not a break-top revolver, how does it load?
: It's a percussion revolver, so it loads by packing the front of the cylinders. Look at the frame by frame shots of a LeMat being loaded in this film: [[The Quick and the Dead]]. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::There were actually pinfire and centerfire versions that loaded via gate like a Colt SAA. There's a picture of the centerfire version uploaded on this site. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

==Needs Positive Identification==

===Unknown Revolver===

I noticed a nickel finished revolver on one screencap, that could be the Schofield but looks somewhat different:
[http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1738/reddeadredemptionplayst.jpg]
Any ideas?

It could be the Colt New Service swing out revolver with a nickel finish

That's just the way the enemy guns look, makes it easier to spot when you go to pick up ammunition. They make the Winchesters look like '66 "Yellow Boys" because of that effect. -Cole Thorton

Yeah, Cole is right. It looks like it has a nickel finish, but all enemy guns look that way. Hell, the SAA looks chromed half the time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== heh ==

If you read closely, you'll find out that the scope reticle on the carcano is anarchist;
; "An ''anarchistic'' feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, as most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs"

Talk:Heat

2010-12-15T19:10:26Z

TheDon: /* Odd */

==Views==

It's amazing we've reached nearly 80,000 views for this page. I remember how happy we were when it hit 50,000...which doesn't seem like it was all that long ago. Probably won't be much longer before we hit 100,000. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Over 130,000 now. Crazy. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

This discussion must be pretty old; the view are now over 230,000!! [[User:jackbel]]

==Has anyone seen this?==

http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/06/movie-guns-x.html

I'm just curious because although his list isn't as thorough as ours, he seems to have some very high-quality screenshots which look way better than those on my DVD. I especially like the screenshot of Trejo's Norinco AK, which shows the barrel and front sight in better detail. Blu Ray, perhaps?

: The clearer shots already disproved one of my own recollections and I will fix it. I could have sworn that I saw M16A1 uppers mounted onto SP1 lowers on the set. (it was fourteen years ago!) But the clearer BLURAY shots show Wes Studi's rifle to be an M16A1 lower, not the SP1 lower I thought it was. Fooey! I pulled one of those Franken-guns from the inventory (though I can't be sure if that gun ever was in HEAT) and photographed it for nothing. I will change it back. As for this guy's list, he has much clearer High Def shots, but his information isn't nearly as accurate as IMFDB's page. [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

:: ''I always used to think it was a continuity error...the first shot (where he's firing at the car) clearly shows a gun with a mil-spec A1-style receiver, but it does look like an SP1 lower in the next scene, right before he shoots Kilmer. If it weren't for the Blu Ray shots, I would have continued to think this way.''

:''The guy thought the 733s in the film were M4A3s just because of the DVD title sequence. Pretty funny. I wish I had thought to nab more shots, many of the ones he took were ones I didn't bother because I thought the ones we had were good enough. Should have followed my gut. His page is a little more complete but less correct, as far as I'm concerned.-GM''
::''There's also the phenomenon of having '''too many screen caps''', something I'm seeing on some pages (look at Dogs of War, the changes that aren't mine.). I know that some guys get all excited about their ability to post screen caps, but having literally DOZENS of images of the same guns is really '''beating a dead horse''' and makes the page cumbersome and annoying to look at. The last thing I want are to have IMFDB movie pages resembling people's MYSPACE pages ... cluttered, hard to navigate and generally irritating. So far I think your ratio of 'useful' images is just fine. These other guys don't know when there is '''too much of a good thing'''. ''
::''Also IMFDB has the advantage of multiple users checking and re-checking the pages. Sure some of the pages have work to do, but they will eventually be 100% done. '' [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

::What is this so called M4A3? I've never heard of it. So after the A1, there's an A2 and an A3 as well? Are we talking about what Colt makes or what Bushmaster makes? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No such variant exists. Someone mistook another Colt variant I guess and soon it spread around as improper fact. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::I see. Well I can somewhat understand some people when they look at AR-15 type weapons as the same rifle because they all share the same basic design. I used to look and see every shorty M16 variant as an M4 before I knew more about the M4 and also used to not know that the M4 is the burst verison and the A1 is auto with the removable carrying handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, guys, there is no Blu-Ray of Heat yet, unfortunately.
:UPDATE ON DAT ISSUE: Yes there is, now. By the way, above is me as well.-protoAuthor 19:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

==Bosko ([[Ted Levine]])==
The first casualty of the bank robbery gun battle. What type of gun was he using? [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 03:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:The rent-a-cop with the ankle holster? Or out in the street? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

::Out in the street. I though it was a G36K or something but I can't be sure. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 02:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:::''I know this is kind of an old comment, but the G36 series wasn't around when the movie was filmed (1994-95), and it wouldn't have been imported to the U.S. until 1998, about two years after it entered service with the ''Bundeswehr''. Anyway, Bosko uses one of the M16A1s with A2 handguards that are used by most of the other detectives in the shootout, including Detective Casals.''

== M4 ==

During the van rubbery DiNero and Killmer used M4s.

:No, they used Colt Model 733s. - [[user:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]
:Is a ''"rubbery"'' something like a ''"shrubbery"''? And who is ''DiNEro'' ("Money" in spanish) and ''KILLmer''? Just kidding LOL!~ ;) - [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Help! ==

Someone fucked up the pictures with Â letters, i fixed that. Now, some of the pictures don't show for some reason. - [[User:Flying Dane]]

== Fixed ==

It's okay, I fixed them. They had some long spaces in them. Alienqueen11.

== MoviePropMaster2008 edit ==

I deleted the MoviePropMaster2008 edit because of it's non-encyclopedic tone. If discussions about a certain gun in the article are to be made, I think it should be done here in the discussion section. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 23:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, that's fine, but then at the very least, you should have the courtesy to copy and paste the comments into this section rather than deleting them completely, as I have done here.

Alright. I'll be sure to do that in the future. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 19:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Conversation on the FNC ==

MP2008 had a really good conversation going about which variant of FNC is carried by Vincent in this movie. I have now revived it for this section:

: Well, you've been very busy, [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]], though you're making an entirely educated guess (not a bad one) The 70-30 is a Para length barrel semi auto FNC designed for Law Enforcement use and sale only , so that would be a good guess. However, The FNCs on the set WERE full auto (I was there), but Director Michael Mann directed Al Pacino to fire semi auto only (which is pretty cool since police should NOT go full auto on street full of civilians). From what I remember, Pacino's gun was a pre-1985 American imported FNC 223 rem Sporter that was converted and had the barrel chopped WAY down to mimic the Para rifles and had a M16A1 style birdcage flash hider installed (see pic) by the movie armorers. FN imported American shorter FNC guns 'called' the para rifle, but the American barrels were several inches longer than the one seen in the movie, so this one was chopped down to look more like the European Para Models of the FNC.

[[Image:HEAT FNC Short.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pacino with a chopped down FNC rifle - note the M16A1 style birdcage flash hider, the original FNCs used Belgian FN FAL style flash hiders and the Para Models had an ultra short version of the same Belgian design.]]

:Harry Lu was the lead armorer (same guy who just did Rambo (2008)), but he's the head coordinator. There were a LOT of trainers and gun handlers on location - it was a big shoot with lots of actors/stuntmen handling live weapons. Lu, like most armorers, acquired the guns from rental houses. At the beginning of the filming of the Street battle, the FNCs were provided by Mike Papac of Cinema Weaponry, but the filming went a lot longer than anticipated, and rifles apparently were swapped out with guns provided by Syd Stembridge of Stembridge Gun Rentals of Glendale (according to everyone's recollection), it's been almost 14 years since that shoot so everyone is working from memory. I too must check it for sure. What I remember and what Mike or Syd or Harry tell me may differ so I will try to get a pic of Pacino's exact gun or at least get the exact model and make info. ...[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

How do you get images onto imfdb i am really stumped

:''Use "Upload File" under the "Toolbox" section (visible on the left menu, below "Search"). To actually display images in an article, copy and paste some of the code from any article of your choice (you can use the code that I used on this page to display the image of Pacino with the FNC, above).''

::I don't remember what I said to which MPM replied. Anyone remember? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Gonna fix my own pics==
Will probably be replacing the pic I uploaded of the Colt 733 since mine is actually an M16A1 with a Colt Sporter Carbine top, chopped down to resemble a 733. I am trying to get a REAL (marked) 733 that hasn't been altered by a gunsmith (that's pretty hard in this town). Too many of the guns are outfitted with outlandish RIS rails, lasers, scope mounts, and they're nearly unrecognizable. And if I'm borrowing someone else's gun to snap pics of I don't want to have to completely rebuild their gun. ;) Just giving everyone a heads up. (MPM2008)
:Is that why these guns have A2 recievers and yours has an A1? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==New pics==
How does our number 1 page look now that I added some extra shots? I'm quite proud of my Norinco Type 56-1 pic. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Comment regarding the first shot of the FN FNC section.==
The screencap you have would appear to show no one but civilians in Vincent's line of fire. However, the shots immediately before show Vincent and his soon-to-be-deceased partner coming under fire from Shirelis as he hops into the getaway car. Considering that most no one short of a robot's going to have enough wherewithal to know when to stop firing THAT quickly, it can be reasonably assumed that Vincent still believed he had a good bead. I wouldn't slight him for that one. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 09:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Discussion of "Fragmentation" ==

Hello.

I noticed a over enthiusiastic, but inccorect passage regarding the secondary wounding mechanism of "fragmentation" in the Colt 733 article, and editted it appropriately.

Fragmentation is well documented to be a function of velocity. While certain rounds can fragment at lower velocities (ie, MK262 Mod 0/Mod 1, Nosler OTM, etc) it remains a constant that a high velocity = higher chance of fragmentation. As a result, the statement that rounds fired from the 733 fragment violently, similiar to an "explosion" is completely false.

As is documented in reports by Dr. Martin L. Fackler, and in testing, the reliable fragmentation threshold for common military 5.56 rounds (Vietnam era 55 grain M-193 and modern green tip 62 grain M-855) is 2700 feet per second. The M733 with it's 10.7" barrel will produce velocities in the low 2600 range at the muzzle (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt#3, a US SOCOM report concerning the modern MK 18, 10.5" barreled grandchild of the M733) , and as such, will not provide very good fragmentation at distances beyond punching range.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_2700.html

==FNC rifle update==
I changed the entry for the FNC rifle. I spoke to all of the armorers on set on this film and everyone says that the rifle was a full auto FNC (imported in the early 1980s) that was chopped and fired semi only at the behest of Director Mann. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==1911 & clones handguns==
The handgun seen on the SISs officier near the end seems to be an LA Vickers Custom, based on the Springfield Loaded pistol, with an extended magwell (you can clearly see the extension on the pistol). The LA Vickers Custom was one of the 1911 handguns delivered by Property Division to the LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom II was selected as standard issue for the LAPD (and later the Kimber SIS for the SIS officers)

:It's possible, but I dunno if you can assume that. It's always a bad idea to assume that just because a certain law enforcement agency/unit or military uses a particular gun in real life, the exact same weapon is being used in a particular movie. There are a lot of movies that depict NYPD officers using Glock 17s instead of 19s, or that depict Secret Service Agents using SIG-Sauer P226s instead of P228s/P229s, for instance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Yeah sure, but it looks like they at least tried to replicate it. Well i think we can say its a Government pistol with a magwell extension.

==Empty P220 anyone==
During the ending section, where Neil shots Trejo, Van Zant and Waingro, then shoots at Hannah, he fires a total of 8 rounds from his P220. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but a P220 carries an 8 round mag of .45 ACP rounds, so when Neil is lying in wait for Hannah just before the end, wouldn't he be empty? That is, of course, if he never reloaded.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't he have reloaded?
::Perhaps he had 1 round in the chamber, plus the 8-round magazine. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::True, but that would still only warrant him one more shot.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

He had fired the weapon previously, not firing the complete magazine. He then makes an exit from his "combat zone", no competent shooter in the world would enter a new "combat zone" (i.e. the hotel) with an intended purpose of using that weapon against unknown number of combatants with a half empty, low-cap magazine. Not only is this something a trained shooter would do (as the film suggest Neil has autodidactically become), it is simply common sense to do so and I stress to think of anyone who would make this mistake.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

==Car Chase==
It's funny: I was just on the street in downtown L.A. today where they filmed the shootout in this movie between the LAPD and McCauley's gang. Remember the part where McCauley, Cheritto, and Shiherlis got in the getaway car and drove off only to be stopped by a police roadblock? They made that sequence seem longer than it really would've been in reality. When I was on Fifth Street today, I looked, thought about it, and realized: they drove roughly one block before stopping, but it seemed like a much greater distance in the film. Just wanted to point that out. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Well, what can I say...you've stumbled upon one of the nuances of direction. Depending on editing and filming, a scene like that can appear to take place over a longer distance than it actually does. Even though Mann might have only been able to get the city to close down one or two blocks for filming (which, when you think about it, makes perfect sense), they can still make the scale of the battle feel larger and more epic with good direction. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh yeah, its still a great scene. In my opinion, I think it is one of the greatest movie gunbattles ever. It reminds me of the escalator shootout at Grand Central Station in ''[[Carlito's Way]]''. It kept going for a really long time because it was a very epic gunfight. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==Hanna's Guns==
I was also just thinking about this: the filmmakers got most of the LAPD's weapons right. Patrol Officers carry Beretta's and Remington's (of course I don't think the LAPD used Mossbergs, but whatever. Maybe they did, idk), SWAT carries 1911's, MP5s, etc. You get the point. But what I found really interesting was Hanna's choice of weapons. A Colt Officer's ACP with ivory grips and an FN FNC. Now those are weapons I've never heard of any American police department using. Anyways, I just thought that was kinda odd. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree but on the other hand, I think, plot-wise or character-wise Hanna's choice makes sense.
Maybe Hanna's guns were chosen for dramatic reasons, to show, how much a loner he was. You know, he's not playing by the rules, so he doesn't use the same guns as the rest of the team. And since he's the best cop ever, of course he's allowed to carry any gun he wants. Something like that. There are many movies in which the hero-cops carry stranger guns (Remember Sam Elliott playing a NY-cop with a .45 Winchester Magnum LAR Grizzly Pistol?).
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

With obvious reason, undercover officers, especially those conducting long term investigation with a cover, quite often are assigned with weapons that are not standard department issue (or often smaller carry pieces of those weapons). In the case of Sam Elliot's character, this is an obvious exaggeration and the weapon what just picked to be cool. Hanna's gun, I'm guessing, was just Mann picking a very cool little gun that he liked and thought would give Hanna some extra personality.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 21:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==KP90==
:I do not think that Cheritto would be the kind of guy who would use this sort of pistol over something better like a Hi-Power or M1911. He seems like a fellow "Gun Guy", who would not be caught dead with such a crappy sidearm-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What makes the KP90 so "crappy"?
I´ve shot a few rounds with a P89 some years ago. Can't say, it was a bad gun.

BTW I´ve always been under the impression, there are no really bad guns. Only bad shots.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 13:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:It doesn't matter how good a shot you are if your pistol falls apart when you fire it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

And the KP90 tends to "fall apart"? Never heard of that. Any experiences?
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't, a lot of the P-series Rugers have a reputation for reliability earning them the nickname "Bricks with Triggers." S&WShooter, just because you don't like a certain gun doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you or that a gunman's credibility should be questioned because he chooses to carry it. Your opinion is not the final say on a gun's quality. For instance, many people prefer weapons with double-action triggers like the P-series Rugers over the single action 1911 and Hi-Power you adore so much.

S&WShooter is an example of "MY BRANDS ARE BEST!!! REST ARE CRAP!!!" kind of person. Little experiance yet big talk.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Chuck Adamson. The real life inspiration for Vincent Hanna.==
[[Image:St46 (2).jpg|thumb|350px|none|([[Chuck Adamson]]) as Barry Dorgan in blue blazer in ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]''. Adamson was the real life inspiration for the character Vincent Hanna in ''[[Heat]]''.]]
He retired as a Lt. with the Chicago PD. He was the guy that Micheal Mann modeled Vincent Hanna after. He was a technical advisor on ''[[Heat]]'' and I believe the televison series ''[[Crime Story]]'' which was also produced by Mann.Chuck Adamson passed away on 02/22/2008. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:That's interesting. I remember hearing Hanna was based on a real cop, but didn't know much about him. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

:On the special DVD release of ''Heat'' there is an interview with Adamson. He talks about an actual case that he worked in the early sixties in Chicago and how they ended up taking down the crew in a gun battle. Evidently this case was the inspiration for the television show ''Crime Story'' and the two movies ''L.A. Takedown'' and ''Heat''. Supposedly Adamson and [[Dennis Farina]] worked together when they were both Chicago cops. Just some interesting neat to know trivia. Impress people at parties. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Duct tape? ==

At the beginning, I see DeNiro's Colt Model 654 with duct tape on the handguard. Is there a purpose for it? Because this has always bothered me when I rewatch the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that it's to either make damn sure there are no fingerprints, or help it burn with that incendiary, or help with gripping the gun some way, or just look cool. Knowing Michael Mann, it's probably one of the former three, rather than the latter, and I'm guessing mostly the grip one.-protoAuthor 19:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, we can rule out the first option because De Niro is wearing gloves. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::I thought the duct tape was attaching a stop watch to the rifle, could be wrong though. -Toadvine

Here is what I read on TvTrope's page on gun accessories 'Soldiers often wrap tape around the base of a magazine to make it easier to handle, since it's usually smooth; companies such as Magpul now make slide-on grips, purpose-built magazine baseplates which include grips, and even whole magazines with gripped sides. Other options include transparent polymer magazines so you can more easily see how much ammunition you have left (with the downside that so can everyone else). Tape is also commonly wrapped around the base of a magazine to differentiate one end from another, which can be difficult in the heat of the moment, as most magazines are symmetrical. Tape can also be used to signify different bullet types within the magazine.' --~~

:::Toadvine is correct. He has duct tape on the hand guards because he has a stop watch attached to the rifle, which he uses to time the police response. It has nothing to do with making the rifle easier to hold (and TyTrope's page is talking about '''magazines'''; we're talking about the '''hand guards''', so that discussion is irrelevant). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Kind of cinematic/firearms related but I remember seeing a movie in the 1980's called "[[L.A. Takedown]]" and when I saw ''[[Heat]]'' I thought they had ripped off the movie. Then I read an article which confirmed Mann had made both and had considered the former a "dress rehearsal" for the latter. Anyways, I remember in ''"Takedown"'' the lead actor in the movie used a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] in the final shootout proving, at least in my opinion, Mann always managed to make the weapons in his productions as exotic as the actors in them. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:Well maybe for LA Takedown, but in his other movies from Heat, Collateral, Miami Vice, and Public Enemies, the weapons weren't really "exotic". Maybe the SIG 552 used in Miami Vice, but all other guns since Heat were pretty normal. To me, it's the style of combat that is shown in Mann's movies that catches your eyes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::Actually I should have said Mann delivers a little more variety in his flicks, television shows. With most "standard" police/crime dramas they have the usual firearms (Glocks, Berettas, AR-15 clones of some sort) whereas Mann adds things like the Strayer-Voigt Tiki in [[Miami Vice]], the FNC in [[Heat]], that sort of thing. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Hanna also used a nickel plated [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "LA Takedown", further proving your point. I know someone using a SIG isn't that uncommon nowadays, but it was rare back in 1989. At that time, only ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Robocop]]'' featured the 226. And this was the first time that a nickel model was used. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I too remember "LA Takedown". I thought it was cool to see the USAS-12 in action. I'm pretty sure it was the USAS-12 and not a Franchi SPAS-15. The only reason being that it was making the firearms writers circuit at the time, and it stood out with the 10-shot magazine onscreen. I still think that part of the anniversary Edition of HEAT should have been inclusion of LA Takedown, as I've not found a Region 1 DVD of it! - BC2009 19 December 2009

::::The shotgun used in "L.A. Takedown" was a SPAS-15, not a USAS-12. There are plenty of screengrabs of the movie online which confirm that the SPAS-15 was used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

I stand corrected. I found video clips of the movie, including the bank heist/shootout. Daniel Baldwin started out with the SPAS-15. Standing erect in a "proper" hi-power rifle stance. God I'm glad to see part of the movie again!

== A social history of the SPAS-15 (from an old fart) ==

Not only was the SPAS-15 considered to be exotic when it was used in ''[[L.A. Takedown]]'', but thanks to an executive order signed by President George Bush (the first one) it wasn't being imported into the United States along with many other foreign manufactured "assault weapons". It's my understanding that very few (I don't have an exact count) were shipped into the U.S. before Bush had an knee jerk reaction to a school shooting in Stockton(?) California in 1988 and stopped the importation of a whole bunch of different firearms based on their cosmetic appearances. I believe the shooter in Stockton used some type of AK-47 variant. Some of you guys are too young to remember the eighties and early nineties. And you're lucky.

There was approximately a fifteen year stretch from 1979 - 1994. It started with a school shooting in San Diego, California on 01/29/1979 (Brenda Ann Spencer. When asked why she stated "I don't like Mondays. Which was the inspiration for the song by the Boomtown Rats "I don't Like Mondays".) and culminating with the signing of the so called "Crime Bill" in 1994 by Clinton in which gunowners couldn't catch a break. Not one. Well there were a couple wins for us, but not many.Everytime you turned around some city or state was (effectively) outlawing gunownership and gunowners were ignored and percieved as whackos. Believe it or not things are better now. Much better in my opinion.

Actually one could argue that the real bad times for American gunowners started with Whitman and his shooting spree from the tower in Austin, Texas or perhaps when the WWII veteran went on a shooting spree in Trenton, New Jersy in 47/48. But I remember the 79 shooting and that's where I started keeping track.

Anyway the SPAS-15 was a victim of that time period. Just look at this as FYI. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
::To be fair, no one was importing the SPAS-15 as of May 1989 when the suspension of importation of 'assault weapons' started (temporarily and then made permanent via very fanciful 're-interpretation of existing law' by the ATF). Bush the elder could only temporarily suspend imports being that they were LEGAL and LAWFUL items. But the ATF managed to figure out a way to re-interpret the 'sporting clause' for imported guns from the Gun Control Act of 1968. But by 1989 there weren't that many SPAS-15 shotguns in the country. They were too expensive, too clunky and shotguns like the Benelli M series of shotguns were the 'cool' tactical shotguns to have. I tried to find a SPAS-15 in 1989 and the only ones out there were used ones, no new ones had been imported for YEARS due to poor sales. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==The new pic that Ben41 uploaded==
With the supposed M16A1 with A2 handguards. that looks like a Heavy barrel, so it would NOT be an A1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So it's an actual A2? Should it be changed?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:How can it be an M16A2? It has an M16A1 receiver.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh? The only difference between an A1 and A2 lower receiver (other than the 3 round burst) is that the back end of the A2 receiver is slightly fatter to resist cracking the ring that holds the rear buffer tube. How can you tell it's an A1 lower? I have to HOLD the two together in person in order to see the difference. Now if it's an SP1 lower, then that can be seen from a distance. If it is an SP1 lower (aka original M16 slab side) then an AR15 Heavy barreled upper receiver was installed on it. Either way, it's a franken gun and should be described in as much detail as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a franken gun. We all know that. But we can't call it an M16A2 because of the lower receiver. I'm talking about the whole receiver here. The A1 lower and the A2 lower are almost the same thing. Except for the grip if you can say that the grip is part of the receiver. But the uppers are very different. I can tell the difference between the M16A2 and the M16 in Heat because of the upper receiver. The M16A2 upper has an Brass defletor and an different rear sight while the M16A1 upper has no deflector and a different sight. Of course I don't really know if the barrel is part of the upper receiver or if it can be removed. I also don't know if the sights can be separeted from the A1 or the A2 receiver, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==Video Game==
:I hope it actually gets made [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803002/]

:I don't know. Movie games tend to suck. It hasn't had a really good track record [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:That's usually when games are released the same day the movie is, causing the developers to rush-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

True. The Godfather games are good but they were able to take their time on both of them.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== Reorganizing Page ==

What do people think about reorganizing page by weapons? Since this is one of the most popular pages, I wanted to see if it's okay before I do it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:What do you have in mind for order? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]\\

I was thinking by type of gun.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 10:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
: With a Page that gets so many views from the general public, I was theorizing about a change in how we normally organize sections. Previously we did it from smallest to largest (Pistols, SMGs, Assault rifles/Rifles, Shotguns, LMGs, HMGs, Destructive Devices, Misc) But the MOST asked questions in the blogosphere/internet deals with the assault rifles used in the street shootout. That one scene spawns the most questions asked by the general (and generally gun ignorant public), so I was wondering if we should begin the page with the most asked about weapons (Assault rifles, SMGS, Shotguns, handguns), basically going in reverse order for this one page. Most of the curiosity revolves around Al Pacino's FNC and the Colt 733s used in the fight. Just a thought. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

: ''BTW, I'm getting a photo of a REAL 733 tonight. Keep an eye out! WOO HOO! (the previous pic was one of my guns that was just a chopped carbine (when I bought it) so the pic is actually a fake 733, just like the C&C HK94s or the fake MP5Ks made from SP89s)'' [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Why not organizing guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Since this is a reference site, I find that it's easier to look it up by the type of weapon rather than by trying to remember when a particular weapon appeared in the film. This doesn't have to be the case for every film, but one with so many weapons featured, I think the way MPM talked about would work best. Let me know what the consensus is. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with Ben41. For pages with 10+ guns I find that it is easier to look for something if it is categorized by type, especially when there are so many screencaps per weapon. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 02:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:What about type of guns and in each section, you list guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Hanna is shooting at Shiherlis ==

[[Image:HeatFNFNC-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanna fires his [[FN FNC|FN FNC-80]] at... nothing. Hanna tells his men before the gunfight to take clear shots and watch their backgrounds. All I see in his firing line is running civilians. This half of the screen was likely not visible in the original release, which wasn't in anamorphic widescreen.]]

In this image, the caption said that Hanna was shooting at no one and looks to be firing at bystanders. In reality, this shot was taken at the exact same time Shiherlis stopped shooting and finally got into the getaway care, and when the suppressing fire from Shiherlis stopped, Hanna came out of cover to shoot back, only to see Shiherlis wasn't there anymore. In my opinion, Hanna seems to be shooting at where Shiherlis was a moment ago before he stepped into the car. The camera angle makes it appear he's shooting directly ahead, when he is shooting towards the getaway car. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

This is definitely a camera angle quirk, my guess is that he is firing at the back window of the vehicle.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== Organizing ==

I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Andy McNab training ==

I just saw the behind the scenes feature and I didn't know the famous SAS operator, Andy McNab was behind the training for the De Niro and his bank robber characters and a different SAS guy, Mike Gould, training for police did Al Picino and his guys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

well for an actor , al pacino dose a lot of running in the down town shootout.simmons 8492

What does that have to do with the training he and the other actors recieved? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

well obviously he had to train for that scean, im sure all the actors did , im just suprised that he did it and wasnt needing oxygen after. just saying. simmons 8492

::Oh got ya. Actually Pacino should have been sweating and breathing hard at the end of the bank robbery gunfight. He might also have been shaking a little bit from all the adrenalin blasting through his body. Oh well movie magic. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:44, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

In the movie both Hanna and McCauley are former marines (Nate's intel on Hanna and McCauley's arm tat when he wakes up at Eady's). --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 02:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

put pacino and De Niro arent , so that SAS trainer realy got them in shape. simmons 8492

And you have to think movie production. They do scenes, especially big shootout scenes in sections and not one big go...Most of the time. They also do a lot of retakes as well as position the camera on different angles so it looked like they ran farther than they actually did. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:22, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure where I read this but the whole scene was filmed within a block or two , due to camera tricks it looks like they covered a lots of distance. --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 16:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

thats true , but mann isint like those others . he dosent do the whole cut up shit . he probable had them redo it to get it right . simmons 8492

::It's very well-known that McNab and Gould were the weapons/tactics advisers on this movie. Gould also makes a cameo in the film. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

who dose he play? simmons 8492

In the film we know that both Hanna and McCauley were former US Marines, but would a Marine receive the extent of training needed to be proficient in CQB as portrayed by the two main characters in the film? I mean think about it; Hanna and McCauley would have joined the Marine Corp probably during the 70's or early 80'. Now I am unfamiliar with how exactly US Army and Marine Corp trained soldiers during that time in regards to trigger discipline and CQB, but I know that the training soldiers receive now in CQB is different then the CQB training given in the past. When I asked my father, who joined the Army as an Infantry officer in the late 70's, about the training he received in regards to CQB he told me he didn't really receive CQB training at all. I know that special forces groups such as the British SAS were masters in CQB during those eras but what about regular infantry? I also know that Hanna would have received more training throughout his career as a cop, but what about McCauley? I point out McCauley cause he probably would have left the Marine Corps sometime in the mid 80's, and started his criminal career most likely after he got out. AND YES I KNOW THIS IS JUST A MOVIE. -[[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:Ok, Marine training is a little different from the regular army. I've heard from the older Marines I know about how they joke how the Army "ain't shit" compared to them. The Marines have always been a bit more specialized than the Army since WWII. McCauley most likely honed his CQB tactics during his career as a robber. Obviously he and the others on his team had worked long enough as a unit 02:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

first off , damm second im sure the marines trained him well enough in CQB . i mean being out of the service dosent realy matter . muscel memory kicks in and McCauly rembers all the things he was taught and does them without even thing . simmons 8492

first off , let me just say that heat is one of the best fims , second the entire LA bank job and shoot out , from when De Nero walks in to the bank , til pacino kills Tom sizemore is easly the best shootout in film history . and the training the entire cast went threw is mind blowing , al pacino running to De Neros CQB training , michael mann did an outstanding job . it is my opnion that this is movie gold. simmons 8492

i know this is a bit out of place , but i was watching this last night and wanted to know , when hanna is looking for McCauley in the airfield he fires his sidearm 4 time with three rounds in a nice triangular shape . my question is , where did his first round hit ? once again , i know this is out of place but i fiugred he would have been trained where to shoot him . [[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Cheritto's Galil==
What confused me during the bank shootout was that unlike his partners Chris and McCauley who were armed with Colt 733s, why was Cheritto armed with an IMI Galil ARM during the bank robbery? The person who wrote the Colt 733 section gave a good description of why the crew used Colt 733s in the bank job. However, no one really gave a good reason why Cheritto was armed with a rifle that was a longer barrel and even with its buttstock folded sticked out underneath his blazer when exiting from the bank. Was there a practical tactical reason for Cheritto to be armed with the Galil or did the production simply didn't have enough Colt 733s? [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:'''Story-wise''', the answer is probably that McCauley's crew was unable to purchase enough ARs for all of them. '''Behind the scenes''', my guess is that Michael Mann just really wanted to have a Galil in the movie. Of course, there are short-barreled versions of the Galil available, which would have made more sense for concealment purposes, but maybe Stembridge (the company which supplied the weapons for ''[[Heat]]'') didn't have any short-barreled Galils in stock. Any way, short answer is that there is probably no practical reason. This is a movie. You are over-thinking it too much.

:On a side note, the original script had them all using HK53s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the Galil ARM pretty much a light machine gun variant of the AR and can substan more automatic fire than most light barreled assualt rifle? Maybe the needed some sort of support gunner as he does have five more bullets in his mags and can lay down fire much more than your standard M733.---P226 21:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Too bad we didn't see much shots of him in the movie using the Galil. It would have been nice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Heh, guess we have Pacino to blame for the Galil's lack of use.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 23:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Well Cheritto isn't the top character, he isn't even top billing. Otherwise, he would have been on the movie poster [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Just so happened that this movie was an TV tonight, and I turned on just after the shoot-out started. Would I be correct in assuming that the Galil that is used is a semi automatic only conversion? It seems that he only ever fires with it in SA, and considering the prolific use of full auto by the other characters, if this gun was capable he would have fired in full auto also. It makes the choice of gun even stranger, considering it rules out the possibility that he was using it as a sort of LSW as the original ARM was intended. Suppose it could just be personal preference, also to the layman the Galil has the look of an "Evil" gun, and is used by the sort of person who picks up a child as a shield. This contrasts with the other two more sympathetic robbers, who use the "Good" looking Armalite type weapons. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Galil looks like an "evil" gun? It has an exotic look and feel to it but not "evil" about it. We also don't get any real character development from Cheritto than we do for the other two guys on the team. If you remember the opening armored car robbery, he was using a FAL while the other 2 veterans had their AR-15s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, but you are not the layman in terms of guns. I do not see at as an "evil" gun either, but to the majority of the public, the Galil looks like an AK, so looks evil. Was just my take on the character that he was less sympathetic than the other two, and was a more traditional "bad guy", so this gun was more suited to him. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 17:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

== Odd ==

Has anyone else noticed that, despite his character being married, Pacino is not wearing a wedding ring? I know it's not gun related, I just find this odd, and want to know if anyone else has seen this.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Not odd at all...first its a marriage that isnt so good and second he is a high profile police officer that doesnt need the add attention of a wedding ring.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 02:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Huh. The first reason I get, get would a wedding really attract more attention than the big ass ring on his right hand?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Law & Order

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TheDon: /* Smith & Wesson Model 19 */

[[Image:LO6.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Law & Order'' (1990-2010)]]
''Law & Order'' was a crime procedural series that aired on NBC from 1990 to 2010. Each episode in the series followed a particular case from the perspective of the police that investigated the crime to the district attorneys who prosecuted the case. Despite several cast changes over its two decades, the show endured to be tied for the longest running drama in television history. The show would also have several direct spinoffs including ''[[Law & Order: Special Victims Unit]]'', ''[[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]]'', ''[[Law & Order: Trial by Jury]]'', and ''[[Law & Order: Los Angeles]]''.

'''The following weapons were used in the series ''Law & Order'':'''
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==Glock 19==

The [[Glock 19]] is the main sidearm carried by the majority of NYPD detectives on the show. The regular detective seen carrying the Glock was Det. Rey Curtis ([[Benjamin Bratt]]). The other detectives seen carrying the Glock include Detectives Ed Green ([[Jesse L. Martin]]), Nick Falco ([[Michael Imperioli]]), Nina Cassidy ([[Milena Govich]]), Cyrus Lupo ([[Jeremy Sisto]]) and Kevin Bernard ([[Anthony Anderson]]).
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:LOS6 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Rey Curtis ([[Benjamin Bratt]]) quiets a woman while drawing his Glock in Season 6's "Charm City".]]
[[Image:LO 004.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Detective Ed Green ([[Jesse L. Martin]]) puts his Glock to the head of a suspect in the Season 14 episode "Vendetta".]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==

Detective Lennie Briscoe ([[Jerry Orbach]]) can be seen using a .38 [[Smith and Wesson Model 36]] during his time on the show. As an older veteran, Briscoe would have been allowed to "grandfather" in his revolver when the NYPD made the switch to semi-automatic pistols in 1993.
[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith and Wesson Model 36 - .38 special - 5 shot]]

[[Image:LO 005.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Detective Lennie Briscoe ([[Jerry Orbach]]) with his S&W out in the Season 14 episode "Vendetta".]]
[[Image:LO3002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Detective Mike Logan ([[Chris Noth]]) with his S&W as he and Det. Briscoe draw down on a perp in the Season 4 episode "Mayhem".]]

Then i believe that it is safe to assume that that is the type of weapon Logan carries when he transfers to MCS in Criminal Intent. Except for the episode, "To The Bone" in season 5, where clearly he fired from a Glock when he shot that cop.

==Kahr K9==

Can be seen wielded by Henry Young ([[Bambadjan Bamba]]) when he takes Det. Falco "hostage" in Falco's apartment in the episode "Hindsight" (16.21). It is later revealed that the gun was not loaded, and Henry was involved with the police in an attempt to get his mother to confess to his girlfriend's murder.
[[Image:KahrCW9.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Kahr CW9 9mm - Matte Stainless slide - Polymer Frame - 3.6" barrel]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==

Detective Joe Fontana ([[Dennis Farina]]) carries a nickel-plated revolver as his weapon. It looks to be a Smith and Wesson Model 19 with a 2-inch barrel.

Ok, I lied. It's a 3rd-Generation Colt Detective Special or a Cobra

I doubt it's a Colt DS or Cobra. I recall on the few occasions when Fontana drew his weapon, it looked pretty hefty, something with at least a three inch barrel. From the looks of it, probably a .357 of some sort. And it was blued, not nickel plated. You see a really good shot of it in that episode where he sticks his gun in a perp's mouth to get him to tell him where a missing kid is. The picture below looks about right.

The gun was an S$W M19 with a 2.5" barrel.

I doubt it's a M19. In the season 16 episode, "Kingmaker", you get a decent side-view of the gun. It had a different barrel profile then a M19, something closer to a M36. But I could be wrong.

It's a S&W model 19 snubbie. You get a very clear view of it in the episode "Red Ball". You can clearly see the shape of the ejector shroud, and the adjustable sights. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Smith&Wesson.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose - .357 Magnum]]

==Unknown Revolver==

A burglar carries a massive revolver and points it a a woman's head in the episode "Invaders" (16.22)

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==

Members of the NYPD's Emergency Service Unit can be seen armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] submachine guns, usually with a Surefire dedicated forend weaponlight.
[[Image:HKmp5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with Navy trigger group and Surefire dedicated forend weaponlight]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5KA4==

A [[Heckler & Koch MP5KA4]] with a 30-round magazine is held by a Russian Consulate security guard ([[David Ross]]) in the episode "Fallout" (17.19)

[[Image:MP5KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5KA4 9mm with 30-round magazine]]

==Beretta M1934==
A 9mm [[Beretta M1934]] pistol was seen used in Blood Money

==Remington 700==
A teenage sniper uses a [[Remington 700]] to shoot random people in New York City in "Sheltered".

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==Views==

It's amazing we've reached nearly 80,000 views for this page. I remember how happy we were when it hit 50,000...which doesn't seem like it was all that long ago. Probably won't be much longer before we hit 100,000. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Over 130,000 now. Crazy. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

This discussion must be pretty old; the view are now over 230,000!! [[User:jackbel]]

==Has anyone seen this?==

http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/06/movie-guns-x.html

I'm just curious because although his list isn't as thorough as ours, he seems to have some very high-quality screenshots which look way better than those on my DVD. I especially like the screenshot of Trejo's Norinco AK, which shows the barrel and front sight in better detail. Blu Ray, perhaps?

: The clearer shots already disproved one of my own recollections and I will fix it. I could have sworn that I saw M16A1 uppers mounted onto SP1 lowers on the set. (it was fourteen years ago!) But the clearer BLURAY shots show Wes Studi's rifle to be an M16A1 lower, not the SP1 lower I thought it was. Fooey! I pulled one of those Franken-guns from the inventory (though I can't be sure if that gun ever was in HEAT) and photographed it for nothing. I will change it back. As for this guy's list, he has much clearer High Def shots, but his information isn't nearly as accurate as IMFDB's page. [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

:: ''I always used to think it was a continuity error...the first shot (where he's firing at the car) clearly shows a gun with a mil-spec A1-style receiver, but it does look like an SP1 lower in the next scene, right before he shoots Kilmer. If it weren't for the Blu Ray shots, I would have continued to think this way.''

:''The guy thought the 733s in the film were M4A3s just because of the DVD title sequence. Pretty funny. I wish I had thought to nab more shots, many of the ones he took were ones I didn't bother because I thought the ones we had were good enough. Should have followed my gut. His page is a little more complete but less correct, as far as I'm concerned.-GM''
::''There's also the phenomenon of having '''too many screen caps''', something I'm seeing on some pages (look at Dogs of War, the changes that aren't mine.). I know that some guys get all excited about their ability to post screen caps, but having literally DOZENS of images of the same guns is really '''beating a dead horse''' and makes the page cumbersome and annoying to look at. The last thing I want are to have IMFDB movie pages resembling people's MYSPACE pages ... cluttered, hard to navigate and generally irritating. So far I think your ratio of 'useful' images is just fine. These other guys don't know when there is '''too much of a good thing'''. ''
::''Also IMFDB has the advantage of multiple users checking and re-checking the pages. Sure some of the pages have work to do, but they will eventually be 100% done. '' [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

::What is this so called M4A3? I've never heard of it. So after the A1, there's an A2 and an A3 as well? Are we talking about what Colt makes or what Bushmaster makes? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No such variant exists. Someone mistook another Colt variant I guess and soon it spread around as improper fact. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::I see. Well I can somewhat understand some people when they look at AR-15 type weapons as the same rifle because they all share the same basic design. I used to look and see every shorty M16 variant as an M4 before I knew more about the M4 and also used to not know that the M4 is the burst verison and the A1 is auto with the removable carrying handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, guys, there is no Blu-Ray of Heat yet, unfortunately.
:UPDATE ON DAT ISSUE: Yes there is, now. By the way, above is me as well.-protoAuthor 19:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

==Bosko ([[Ted Levine]])==
The first casualty of the bank robbery gun battle. What type of gun was he using? [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 03:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:The rent-a-cop with the ankle holster? Or out in the street? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

::Out in the street. I though it was a G36K or something but I can't be sure. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 02:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:::''I know this is kind of an old comment, but the G36 series wasn't around when the movie was filmed (1994-95), and it wouldn't have been imported to the U.S. until 1998, about two years after it entered service with the ''Bundeswehr''. Anyway, Bosko uses one of the M16A1s with A2 handguards that are used by most of the other detectives in the shootout, including Detective Casals.''

== M4 ==

During the van rubbery DiNero and Killmer used M4s.

:No, they used Colt Model 733s. - [[user:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]
:Is a ''"rubbery"'' something like a ''"shrubbery"''? And who is ''DiNEro'' ("Money" in spanish) and ''KILLmer''? Just kidding LOL!~ ;) - [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Help! ==

Someone fucked up the pictures with Â letters, i fixed that. Now, some of the pictures don't show for some reason. - [[User:Flying Dane]]

== Fixed ==

It's okay, I fixed them. They had some long spaces in them. Alienqueen11.

== MoviePropMaster2008 edit ==

I deleted the MoviePropMaster2008 edit because of it's non-encyclopedic tone. If discussions about a certain gun in the article are to be made, I think it should be done here in the discussion section. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 23:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, that's fine, but then at the very least, you should have the courtesy to copy and paste the comments into this section rather than deleting them completely, as I have done here.

Alright. I'll be sure to do that in the future. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 19:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Conversation on the FNC ==

MP2008 had a really good conversation going about which variant of FNC is carried by Vincent in this movie. I have now revived it for this section:

: Well, you've been very busy, [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]], though you're making an entirely educated guess (not a bad one) The 70-30 is a Para length barrel semi auto FNC designed for Law Enforcement use and sale only , so that would be a good guess. However, The FNCs on the set WERE full auto (I was there), but Director Michael Mann directed Al Pacino to fire semi auto only (which is pretty cool since police should NOT go full auto on street full of civilians). From what I remember, Pacino's gun was a pre-1985 American imported FNC 223 rem Sporter that was converted and had the barrel chopped WAY down to mimic the Para rifles and had a M16A1 style birdcage flash hider installed (see pic) by the movie armorers. FN imported American shorter FNC guns 'called' the para rifle, but the American barrels were several inches longer than the one seen in the movie, so this one was chopped down to look more like the European Para Models of the FNC.

[[Image:HEAT FNC Short.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pacino with a chopped down FNC rifle - note the M16A1 style birdcage flash hider, the original FNCs used Belgian FN FAL style flash hiders and the Para Models had an ultra short version of the same Belgian design.]]

:Harry Lu was the lead armorer (same guy who just did Rambo (2008)), but he's the head coordinator. There were a LOT of trainers and gun handlers on location - it was a big shoot with lots of actors/stuntmen handling live weapons. Lu, like most armorers, acquired the guns from rental houses. At the beginning of the filming of the Street battle, the FNCs were provided by Mike Papac of Cinema Weaponry, but the filming went a lot longer than anticipated, and rifles apparently were swapped out with guns provided by Syd Stembridge of Stembridge Gun Rentals of Glendale (according to everyone's recollection), it's been almost 14 years since that shoot so everyone is working from memory. I too must check it for sure. What I remember and what Mike or Syd or Harry tell me may differ so I will try to get a pic of Pacino's exact gun or at least get the exact model and make info. ...[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

How do you get images onto imfdb i am really stumped

:''Use "Upload File" under the "Toolbox" section (visible on the left menu, below "Search"). To actually display images in an article, copy and paste some of the code from any article of your choice (you can use the code that I used on this page to display the image of Pacino with the FNC, above).''

::I don't remember what I said to which MPM replied. Anyone remember? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Gonna fix my own pics==
Will probably be replacing the pic I uploaded of the Colt 733 since mine is actually an M16A1 with a Colt Sporter Carbine top, chopped down to resemble a 733. I am trying to get a REAL (marked) 733 that hasn't been altered by a gunsmith (that's pretty hard in this town). Too many of the guns are outfitted with outlandish RIS rails, lasers, scope mounts, and they're nearly unrecognizable. And if I'm borrowing someone else's gun to snap pics of I don't want to have to completely rebuild their gun. ;) Just giving everyone a heads up. (MPM2008)
:Is that why these guns have A2 recievers and yours has an A1? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==New pics==
How does our number 1 page look now that I added some extra shots? I'm quite proud of my Norinco Type 56-1 pic. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Comment regarding the first shot of the FN FNC section.==
The screencap you have would appear to show no one but civilians in Vincent's line of fire. However, the shots immediately before show Vincent and his soon-to-be-deceased partner coming under fire from Shirelis as he hops into the getaway car. Considering that most no one short of a robot's going to have enough wherewithal to know when to stop firing THAT quickly, it can be reasonably assumed that Vincent still believed he had a good bead. I wouldn't slight him for that one. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 09:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Discussion of "Fragmentation" ==

Hello.

I noticed a over enthiusiastic, but inccorect passage regarding the secondary wounding mechanism of "fragmentation" in the Colt 733 article, and editted it appropriately.

Fragmentation is well documented to be a function of velocity. While certain rounds can fragment at lower velocities (ie, MK262 Mod 0/Mod 1, Nosler OTM, etc) it remains a constant that a high velocity = higher chance of fragmentation. As a result, the statement that rounds fired from the 733 fragment violently, similiar to an "explosion" is completely false.

As is documented in reports by Dr. Martin L. Fackler, and in testing, the reliable fragmentation threshold for common military 5.56 rounds (Vietnam era 55 grain M-193 and modern green tip 62 grain M-855) is 2700 feet per second. The M733 with it's 10.7" barrel will produce velocities in the low 2600 range at the muzzle (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt#3, a US SOCOM report concerning the modern MK 18, 10.5" barreled grandchild of the M733) , and as such, will not provide very good fragmentation at distances beyond punching range.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_2700.html

==FNC rifle update==
I changed the entry for the FNC rifle. I spoke to all of the armorers on set on this film and everyone says that the rifle was a full auto FNC (imported in the early 1980s) that was chopped and fired semi only at the behest of Director Mann. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==1911 & clones handguns==
The handgun seen on the SISs officier near the end seems to be an LA Vickers Custom, based on the Springfield Loaded pistol, with an extended magwell (you can clearly see the extension on the pistol). The LA Vickers Custom was one of the 1911 handguns delivered by Property Division to the LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom II was selected as standard issue for the LAPD (and later the Kimber SIS for the SIS officers)

:It's possible, but I dunno if you can assume that. It's always a bad idea to assume that just because a certain law enforcement agency/unit or military uses a particular gun in real life, the exact same weapon is being used in a particular movie. There are a lot of movies that depict NYPD officers using Glock 17s instead of 19s, or that depict Secret Service Agents using SIG-Sauer P226s instead of P228s/P229s, for instance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Yeah sure, but it looks like they at least tried to replicate it. Well i think we can say its a Government pistol with a magwell extension.

==Empty P220 anyone==
During the ending section, where Neil shots Trejo, Van Zant and Waingro, then shoots at Hannah, he fires a total of 8 rounds from his P220. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but a P220 carries an 8 round mag of .45 ACP rounds, so when Neil is lying in wait for Hannah just before the end, wouldn't he be empty? That is, of course, if he never reloaded.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't he have reloaded?
::Perhaps he had 1 round in the chamber, plus the 8-round magazine. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::True, but that would still only warrant him one more shot.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

He had fired the weapon previously, not firing the complete magazine. He then makes an exit from his "combat zone", no competent shooter in the world would enter a new "combat zone" (i.e. the hotel) with an intended purpose of using that weapon against unknown number of combatants with a half empty, low-cap magazine. Not only is this something a trained shooter would do (as the film suggest Neil has autodidactically become), it is simply common sense to do so and I stress to think of anyone who would make this mistake.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

==Car Chase==
It's funny: I was just on the street in downtown L.A. today where they filmed the shootout in this movie between the LAPD and McCauley's gang. Remember the part where McCauley, Cheritto, and Shiherlis got in the getaway car and drove off only to be stopped by a police roadblock? They made that sequence seem longer than it really would've been in reality. When I was on Fifth Street today, I looked, thought about it, and realized: they drove roughly one block before stopping, but it seemed like a much greater distance in the film. Just wanted to point that out. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Well, what can I say...you've stumbled upon one of the nuances of direction. Depending on editing and filming, a scene like that can appear to take place over a longer distance than it actually does. Even though Mann might have only been able to get the city to close down one or two blocks for filming (which, when you think about it, makes perfect sense), they can still make the scale of the battle feel larger and more epic with good direction. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh yeah, its still a great scene. In my opinion, I think it is one of the greatest movie gunbattles ever. It reminds me of the escalator shootout at Grand Central Station in ''[[Carlito's Way]]''. It kept going for a really long time because it was a very epic gunfight. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==Hanna's Guns==
I was also just thinking about this: the filmmakers got most of the LAPD's weapons right. Patrol Officers carry Beretta's and Remington's (of course I don't think the LAPD used Mossbergs, but whatever. Maybe they did, idk), SWAT carries 1911's, MP5s, etc. You get the point. But what I found really interesting was Hanna's choice of weapons. A Colt Officer's ACP with ivory grips and an FN FNC. Now those are weapons I've never heard of any American police department using. Anyways, I just thought that was kinda odd. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree but on the other hand, I think, plot-wise or character-wise Hanna's choice makes sense.
Maybe Hanna's guns were chosen for dramatic reasons, to show, how much a loner he was. You know, he's not playing by the rules, so he doesn't use the same guns as the rest of the team. And since he's the best cop ever, of course he's allowed to carry any gun he wants. Something like that. There are many movies in which the hero-cops carry stranger guns (Remember Sam Elliott playing a NY-cop with a .45 Winchester Magnum LAR Grizzly Pistol?).
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

With obvious reason, undercover officers, especially those conducting long term investigation with a cover, quite often are assigned with weapons that are not standard department issue (or often smaller carry pieces of those weapons). In the case of Sam Elliot's character, this is an obvious exaggeration and the weapon what just picked to be cool. Hanna's gun, I'm guessing, was just Mann picking a very cool little gun that he liked and thought would give Hanna some extra personality.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 21:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==KP90==
:I do not think that Cheritto would be the kind of guy who would use this sort of pistol over something better like a Hi-Power or M1911. He seems like a fellow "Gun Guy", who would not be caught dead with such a crappy sidearm-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What makes the KP90 so "crappy"?
I´ve shot a few rounds with a P89 some years ago. Can't say, it was a bad gun.

BTW I´ve always been under the impression, there are no really bad guns. Only bad shots.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 13:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:It doesn't matter how good a shot you are if your pistol falls apart when you fire it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

And the KP90 tends to "fall apart"? Never heard of that. Any experiences?
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't, a lot of the P-series Rugers have a reputation for reliability earning them the nickname "Bricks with Triggers." S&WShooter, just because you don't like a certain gun doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you or that a gunman's credibility should be questioned because he chooses to carry it. Your opinion is not the final say on a gun's quality. For instance, many people prefer weapons with double-action triggers like the P-series Rugers over the single action 1911 and Hi-Power you adore so much.

S&WShooter is an example of "MY BRANDS ARE BEST!!! REST ARE CRAP!!!" kind of person. Little experiance yet big talk.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Chuck Adamson. The real life inspiration for Vincent Hanna.==
[[Image:St46 (2).jpg|thumb|350px|none|([[Chuck Adamson]]) as Barry Dorgan in blue blazer in ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]''. Adamson was the real life inspiration for the character Vincent Hanna in ''[[Heat]]''.]]
He retired as a Lt. with the Chicago PD. He was the guy that Micheal Mann modeled Vincent Hanna after. He was a technical advisor on ''[[Heat]]'' and I believe the televison series ''[[Crime Story]]'' which was also produced by Mann.Chuck Adamson passed away on 02/22/2008. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:That's interesting. I remember hearing Hanna was based on a real cop, but didn't know much about him. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

:On the special DVD release of ''Heat'' there is an interview with Adamson. He talks about an actual case that he worked in the early sixties in Chicago and how they ended up taking down the crew in a gun battle. Evidently this case was the inspiration for the television show ''Crime Story'' and the two movies ''L.A. Takedown'' and ''Heat''. Supposedly Adamson and [[Dennis Farina]] worked together when they were both Chicago cops. Just some interesting neat to know trivia. Impress people at parties. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Duct tape? ==

At the beginning, I see DeNiro's Colt Model 654 with duct tape on the handguard. Is there a purpose for it? Because this has always bothered me when I rewatch the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that it's to either make damn sure there are no fingerprints, or help it burn with that incendiary, or help with gripping the gun some way, or just look cool. Knowing Michael Mann, it's probably one of the former three, rather than the latter, and I'm guessing mostly the grip one.-protoAuthor 19:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, we can rule out the first option because De Niro is wearing gloves. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::I thought the duct tape was attaching a stop watch to the rifle, could be wrong though. -Toadvine

Here is what I read on TvTrope's page on gun accessories 'Soldiers often wrap tape around the base of a magazine to make it easier to handle, since it's usually smooth; companies such as Magpul now make slide-on grips, purpose-built magazine baseplates which include grips, and even whole magazines with gripped sides. Other options include transparent polymer magazines so you can more easily see how much ammunition you have left (with the downside that so can everyone else). Tape is also commonly wrapped around the base of a magazine to differentiate one end from another, which can be difficult in the heat of the moment, as most magazines are symmetrical. Tape can also be used to signify different bullet types within the magazine.' --~~

:::Toadvine is correct. He has duct tape on the hand guards because he has a stop watch attached to the rifle, which he uses to time the police response. It has nothing to do with making the rifle easier to hold (and TyTrope's page is talking about '''magazines'''; we're talking about the '''hand guards''', so that discussion is irrelevant). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Kind of cinematic/firearms related but I remember seeing a movie in the 1980's called "[[L.A. Takedown]]" and when I saw ''[[Heat]]'' I thought they had ripped off the movie. Then I read an article which confirmed Mann had made both and had considered the former a "dress rehearsal" for the latter. Anyways, I remember in ''"Takedown"'' the lead actor in the movie used a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] in the final shootout proving, at least in my opinion, Mann always managed to make the weapons in his productions as exotic as the actors in them. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:Well maybe for LA Takedown, but in his other movies from Heat, Collateral, Miami Vice, and Public Enemies, the weapons weren't really "exotic". Maybe the SIG 552 used in Miami Vice, but all other guns since Heat were pretty normal. To me, it's the style of combat that is shown in Mann's movies that catches your eyes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::Actually I should have said Mann delivers a little more variety in his flicks, television shows. With most "standard" police/crime dramas they have the usual firearms (Glocks, Berettas, AR-15 clones of some sort) whereas Mann adds things like the Strayer-Voigt Tiki in [[Miami Vice]], the FNC in [[Heat]], that sort of thing. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Hanna also used a nickel plated [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "LA Takedown", further proving your point. I know someone using a SIG isn't that uncommon nowadays, but it was rare back in 1989. At that time, only ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Robocop]]'' featured the 226. And this was the first time that a nickel model was used. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I too remember "LA Takedown". I thought it was cool to see the USAS-12 in action. I'm pretty sure it was the USAS-12 and not a Franchi SPAS-15. The only reason being that it was making the firearms writers circuit at the time, and it stood out with the 10-shot magazine onscreen. I still think that part of the anniversary Edition of HEAT should have been inclusion of LA Takedown, as I've not found a Region 1 DVD of it! - BC2009 19 December 2009

::::The shotgun used in "L.A. Takedown" was a SPAS-15, not a USAS-12. There are plenty of screengrabs of the movie online which confirm that the SPAS-15 was used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

I stand corrected. I found video clips of the movie, including the bank heist/shootout. Daniel Baldwin started out with the SPAS-15. Standing erect in a "proper" hi-power rifle stance. God I'm glad to see part of the movie again!

== A social history of the SPAS-15 (from an old fart) ==

Not only was the SPAS-15 considered to be exotic when it was used in ''[[L.A. Takedown]]'', but thanks to an executive order signed by President George Bush (the first one) it wasn't being imported into the United States along with many other foreign manufactured "assault weapons". It's my understanding that very few (I don't have an exact count) were shipped into the U.S. before Bush had an knee jerk reaction to a school shooting in Stockton(?) California in 1988 and stopped the importation of a whole bunch of different firearms based on their cosmetic appearances. I believe the shooter in Stockton used some type of AK-47 variant. Some of you guys are too young to remember the eighties and early nineties. And you're lucky.

There was approximately a fifteen year stretch from 1979 - 1994. It started with a school shooting in San Diego, California on 01/29/1979 (Brenda Ann Spencer. When asked why she stated "I don't like Mondays. Which was the inspiration for the song by the Boomtown Rats "I don't Like Mondays".) and culminating with the signing of the so called "Crime Bill" in 1994 by Clinton in which gunowners couldn't catch a break. Not one. Well there were a couple wins for us, but not many.Everytime you turned around some city or state was (effectively) outlawing gunownership and gunowners were ignored and percieved as whackos. Believe it or not things are better now. Much better in my opinion.

Actually one could argue that the real bad times for American gunowners started with Whitman and his shooting spree from the tower in Austin, Texas or perhaps when the WWII veteran went on a shooting spree in Trenton, New Jersy in 47/48. But I remember the 79 shooting and that's where I started keeping track.

Anyway the SPAS-15 was a victim of that time period. Just look at this as FYI. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
::To be fair, no one was importing the SPAS-15 as of May 1989 when the suspension of importation of 'assault weapons' started (temporarily and then made permanent via very fanciful 're-interpretation of existing law' by the ATF). Bush the elder could only temporarily suspend imports being that they were LEGAL and LAWFUL items. But the ATF managed to figure out a way to re-interpret the 'sporting clause' for imported guns from the Gun Control Act of 1968. But by 1989 there weren't that many SPAS-15 shotguns in the country. They were too expensive, too clunky and shotguns like the Benelli M series of shotguns were the 'cool' tactical shotguns to have. I tried to find a SPAS-15 in 1989 and the only ones out there were used ones, no new ones had been imported for YEARS due to poor sales. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==The new pic that Ben41 uploaded==
With the supposed M16A1 with A2 handguards. that looks like a Heavy barrel, so it would NOT be an A1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So it's an actual A2? Should it be changed?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:How can it be an M16A2? It has an M16A1 receiver.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh? The only difference between an A1 and A2 lower receiver (other than the 3 round burst) is that the back end of the A2 receiver is slightly fatter to resist cracking the ring that holds the rear buffer tube. How can you tell it's an A1 lower? I have to HOLD the two together in person in order to see the difference. Now if it's an SP1 lower, then that can be seen from a distance. If it is an SP1 lower (aka original M16 slab side) then an AR15 Heavy barreled upper receiver was installed on it. Either way, it's a franken gun and should be described in as much detail as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a franken gun. We all know that. But we can't call it an M16A2 because of the lower receiver. I'm talking about the whole receiver here. The A1 lower and the A2 lower are almost the same thing. Except for the grip if you can say that the grip is part of the receiver. But the uppers are very different. I can tell the difference between the M16A2 and the M16 in Heat because of the upper receiver. The M16A2 upper has an Brass defletor and an different rear sight while the M16A1 upper has no deflector and a different sight. Of course I don't really know if the barrel is part of the upper receiver or if it can be removed. I also don't know if the sights can be separeted from the A1 or the A2 receiver, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==Video Game==
:I hope it actually gets made [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803002/]

:I don't know. Movie games tend to suck. It hasn't had a really good track record [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:That's usually when games are released the same day the movie is, causing the developers to rush-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

True. The Godfather games are good but they were able to take their time on both of them.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== Reorganizing Page ==

What do people think about reorganizing page by weapons? Since this is one of the most popular pages, I wanted to see if it's okay before I do it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:What do you have in mind for order? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]\\

I was thinking by type of gun.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 10:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
: With a Page that gets so many views from the general public, I was theorizing about a change in how we normally organize sections. Previously we did it from smallest to largest (Pistols, SMGs, Assault rifles/Rifles, Shotguns, LMGs, HMGs, Destructive Devices, Misc) But the MOST asked questions in the blogosphere/internet deals with the assault rifles used in the street shootout. That one scene spawns the most questions asked by the general (and generally gun ignorant public), so I was wondering if we should begin the page with the most asked about weapons (Assault rifles, SMGS, Shotguns, handguns), basically going in reverse order for this one page. Most of the curiosity revolves around Al Pacino's FNC and the Colt 733s used in the fight. Just a thought. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

: ''BTW, I'm getting a photo of a REAL 733 tonight. Keep an eye out! WOO HOO! (the previous pic was one of my guns that was just a chopped carbine (when I bought it) so the pic is actually a fake 733, just like the C&C HK94s or the fake MP5Ks made from SP89s)'' [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Why not organizing guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Since this is a reference site, I find that it's easier to look it up by the type of weapon rather than by trying to remember when a particular weapon appeared in the film. This doesn't have to be the case for every film, but one with so many weapons featured, I think the way MPM talked about would work best. Let me know what the consensus is. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with Ben41. For pages with 10+ guns I find that it is easier to look for something if it is categorized by type, especially when there are so many screencaps per weapon. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 02:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:What about type of guns and in each section, you list guns by order of appearance? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Hanna is shooting at Shiherlis ==

[[Image:HeatFNFNC-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanna fires his [[FN FNC|FN FNC-80]] at... nothing. Hanna tells his men before the gunfight to take clear shots and watch their backgrounds. All I see in his firing line is running civilians. This half of the screen was likely not visible in the original release, which wasn't in anamorphic widescreen.]]

In this image, the caption said that Hanna was shooting at no one and looks to be firing at bystanders. In reality, this shot was taken at the exact same time Shiherlis stopped shooting and finally got into the getaway care, and when the suppressing fire from Shiherlis stopped, Hanna came out of cover to shoot back, only to see Shiherlis wasn't there anymore. In my opinion, Hanna seems to be shooting at where Shiherlis was a moment ago before he stepped into the car. The camera angle makes it appear he's shooting directly ahead, when he is shooting towards the getaway car. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

This is definitely a camera angle quirk, my guess is that he is firing at the back window of the vehicle.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 10:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== Organizing ==

I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Andy McNab training ==

I just saw the behind the scenes feature and I didn't know the famous SAS operator, Andy McNab was behind the training for the De Niro and his bank robber characters and a different SAS guy, Mike Gould, training for police did Al Picino and his guys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

well for an actor , al pacino dose a lot of running in the down town shootout.simmons 8492

What does that have to do with the training he and the other actors recieved? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

well obviously he had to train for that scean, im sure all the actors did , im just suprised that he did it and wasnt needing oxygen after. just saying. simmons 8492

::Oh got ya. Actually Pacino should have been sweating and breathing hard at the end of the bank robbery gunfight. He might also have been shaking a little bit from all the adrenalin blasting through his body. Oh well movie magic. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:44, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

In the movie both Hanna and McCauley are former marines (Nate's intel on Hanna and McCauley's arm tat when he wakes up at Eady's). --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 02:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

put pacino and De Niro arent , so that SAS trainer realy got them in shape. simmons 8492

And you have to think movie production. They do scenes, especially big shootout scenes in sections and not one big go...Most of the time. They also do a lot of retakes as well as position the camera on different angles so it looked like they ran farther than they actually did. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:22, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure where I read this but the whole scene was filmed within a block or two , due to camera tricks it looks like they covered a lots of distance. --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 16:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

thats true , but mann isint like those others . he dosent do the whole cut up shit . he probable had them redo it to get it right . simmons 8492

::It's very well-known that McNab and Gould were the weapons/tactics advisers on this movie. Gould also makes a cameo in the film. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

who dose he play? simmons 8492

In the film we know that both Hanna and McCauley were former US Marines, but would a Marine receive the extent of training needed to be proficient in CQB as portrayed by the two main characters in the film? I mean think about it; Hanna and McCauley would have joined the Marine Corp probably during the 70's or early 80'. Now I am unfamiliar with how exactly US Army and Marine Corp trained soldiers during that time in regards to trigger discipline and CQB, but I know that the training soldiers receive now in CQB is different then the CQB training given in the past. When I asked my father, who joined the Army as an Infantry officer in the late 70's, about the training he received in regards to CQB he told me he didn't really receive CQB training at all. I know that special forces groups such as the British SAS were masters in CQB during those eras but what about regular infantry? I also know that Hanna would have received more training throughout his career as a cop, but what about McCauley? I point out McCauley cause he probably would have left the Marine Corps sometime in the mid 80's, and started his criminal career most likely after he got out. AND YES I KNOW THIS IS JUST A MOVIE. -[[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:Ok, Marine training is a little different from the regular army. I've heard from the older Marines I know about how they joke how the Army "ain't shit" compared to them. The Marines have always been a bit more specialized than the Army since WWII. McCauley most likely honed his CQB tactics during his career as a robber. Obviously he and the others on his team had worked long enough as a unit 02:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

first off , damm second im sure the marines trained him well enough in CQB . i mean being out of the service dosent realy matter . muscel memory kicks in and McCauly rembers all the things he was taught and does them without even thing . simmons 8492

first off , let me just say that heat is one of the best fims , second the entire LA bank job and shoot out , from when De Nero walks in to the bank , til pacino kills Tom sizemore is easly the best shootout in film history . and the training the entire cast went threw is mind blowing , al pacino running to De Neros CQB training , michael mann did an outstanding job . it is my opnion that this is movie gold. simmons 8492

i know this is a bit out of place , but i was watching this last night and wanted to know , when hanna is looking for McCauley in the airfield he fires his sidearm 4 time with three rounds in a nice triangular shape . my question is , where did his first round hit ? once again , i know this is out of place but i fiugred he would have been trained where to shoot him . [[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Cheritto's Galil==
What confused me during the bank shootout was that unlike his partners Chris and McCauley who were armed with Colt 733s, why was Cheritto armed with an IMI Galil ARM during the bank robbery? The person who wrote the Colt 733 section gave a good description of why the crew used Colt 733s in the bank job. However, no one really gave a good reason why Cheritto was armed with a rifle that was a longer barrel and even with its buttstock folded sticked out underneath his blazer when exiting from the bank. Was there a practical tactical reason for Cheritto to be armed with the Galil or did the production simply didn't have enough Colt 733s? [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

:'''Story-wise''', the answer is probably that McCauley's crew was unable to purchase enough ARs for all of them. '''Behind the scenes''', my guess is that Michael Mann just really wanted to have a Galil in the movie. Of course, there are short-barreled versions of the Galil available, which would have made more sense for concealment purposes, but maybe Stembridge (the company which supplied the weapons for ''[[Heat]]'') didn't have any short-barreled Galils in stock. Any way, short answer is that there is probably no practical reason. This is a movie. You are over-thinking it too much.

:On a side note, the original script had them all using HK53s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the Galil ARM pretty much a light machine gun variant of the AR and can substan more automatic fire than most light barreled assualt rifle? Maybe the needed some sort of support gunner as he does have five more bullets in his mags and can lay down fire much more than your standard M733.---P226 21:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Too bad we didn't see much shots of him in the movie using the Galil. It would have been nice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Heh, guess we have Pacino to blame for the Galil's lack of use.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 23:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Well Cheritto isn't the top character, he isn't even top billing. Otherwise, he would have been on the movie poster [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Just so happened that this movie was an TV tonight, and I turned on just after the shoot-out started. Would I be correct in assuming that the Galil that is used is a semi automatic only conversion? It seems that he only ever fires with it in SA, and considering the prolific use of full auto by the other characters, if this gun was capable he would have fired in full auto also. It makes the choice of gun even stranger, considering it rules out the possibility that he was using it as a sort of LSW as the original ARM was intended. Suppose it could just be personal preference, also to the layman the Galil has the look of an "Evil" gun, and is used by the sort of person who picks up a child as a shield. This contrasts with the other two more sympathetic robbers, who use the "Good" looking Armalite type weapons. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Galil looks like an "evil" gun? It has an exotic look and feel to it but not "evil" about it. We also don't get any real character development from Cheritto than we do for the other two guys on the team. If you remember the opening armored car robbery, he was using a FAL while the other 2 veterans had their AR-15s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, but you are not the layman in terms of guns. I do not see at as an "evil" gun either, but to the majority of the public, the Galil looks like an AK, so looks evil. Was just my take on the character that he was less sympathetic than the other two, and was a more traditional "bad guy", so this gun was more suited to him. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 17:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

== Odd ==

Has anyone else noticed that, despite his character being married, Pacino is not wearing a wedding ring? I know it's not gun related, I just find this odd, and want to know if anyone else has seen this.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)