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Talk:John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum

2019-10-20T06:11:52Z

Tecolote: /* Revolver Shenanigans */

== OH BOY ==

Oh man this is gonna be good. John Wick 1 already convinced me to get a Heckler and Koch P30 as my first pistol (when I move). I wonder what guns this movie will convince me to get? [[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 18:34, 18 January 2019 (EST)

==Gun choices==

I know the props are meant to promote Taran Tactical, but I think John would be used an actual short barrel MPX because there's no real advantages in a long barrelled PCC [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:47, 24 January 2019 (EST)
::Taran Tactical did make a shorter 8" MPX customization anyway (which Halle Berry trained with), in a very similar configuration to the 16" carbine seen in the movie, except that it was fitted with an SB Tactical SBA3 pistol brace. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:01, 11 June 2019 (EDT)
: Does the MPX Carbine count as a rifle or SMG? I called it a SMG, UltimateNinja called it a rifle because semi-only. Sure the base gun is semi-only but this is a movie, its more likely to be full-auto. And yes, we get more 3Gun nonsense from Taran Tactical and another "9mm Major" blank gun. Can't we get real combat experts to advice and not 3-Gun mall ninjas? What happened to getting ex-special forces people to advise?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 19:16, 26 January 2019 (EST)
:::I didn't call it a rifle, it's a carbine (which is why the section was titled "Rifles/Carbines"). But now that you mention it, I believe that such weapons are usually grouped with SMGs on IMFDB pages, so I'm thinking of re-adding there, but while renaming the section to "Submachine Guns/Pistol-Caliber Carbines" (been done on a few other pages). On another note, the TR-1 Ultralight was indeed shown as semi-auto most of the time in JW2. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 02:04, 27 January 2019 (EST)
::::Also, the mall ninja guns definitely fit in the John Wick atmosphere IMO (High Table, gold coins, etc.), unlike in some other movies with generic criminals. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:39, 20 July 2019 (EDT)
:: They gave him a 16" weapon last movie as well, because assassins ''always'' follow US firearms laws, even in foreign nations--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 19:22, 26 January 2019 (EST)
::I mean, some of them other assassins had shorter barrel guns. In this movie during the Morocco shootout, John actually picked up and used a short barrel MPX and then for some reason gave it to Halle Barry in the next scene. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:27, 13 June 2019 (EDT)
:::If I remember correctly, they didn't use the same gun. Wick picked up a 4.5" MPX Copperhead, but Sofia used an 8" MPX. As for Wick's choice of a 16" MPX Carbine later in the NYC Continental, I guess one possibility is that it's a "big" gun in the eyes of the audience (which he throws at an assailant when it gets emptied). Unsurprisingly, it ended up lacking effectiveness against the heavily armored attackers, though it was noticeably more effective than the 2011 Combat Master despite being chambered the same. He might as well have used a larger-caliber weapon such as an MCX assault rifle (as in, before knowing how much they were armored). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 02:58, 13 June 2019 (EDT)
::::EDIT: Charon ''did'' mention ahead of time that the High Table forces have made "armor improvements", so he and Wick should have definitely used larger caliber weapons from the beginning. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]])
::Technically the same caliber but the 1911 was in 9mm major. The different MPXs during the Morocco fight could have just been a continuity error. I think because Taran Tactical trained Keanu with the rifle MPX, it made sense. If TTI maks custom SIG MCXs, you bet John Wick would be using one in the movie. I didn't understand why they switched from the better Benelli M4 to the older M2 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:44, 13 June 2019 (EDT)
:::Probably not a continuity error so much as just a personal choice of weapons. Both the 4.5" and 8" MPX appeared that scene; Sofia might have simply picked up an 8" MPX from a random guard (whereas Wick had to commandeer the 4.5" Copperhead in an emergency situation), and Wick switched to his traditional use of pistols. As for the presence of the TTI Benelli M2, it's possibly because they wanted some variety and didn't want to use the same M4 from JW2. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:39, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

== Pistol used by Winston ==

Does anyone happen to know what the pistol used by Winston (mother-of-pearl grips) is? This pistol appears near the final scene in the "glass" room and is also the pistol used to shoot a character off the roof of the Continental. Not mentioned in the main article thus far.

It was a Colt 1903 or 1908 Pocket Hammerless --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 20:01, 18 May 2019 (EDT)

There's a scene where the adjudicator talks to the Bowery King about a Kimber 1911 that John used and takes it out her bag as evidence, but you notice the grip was different from the Kimber Warrior that was actually used in the movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:36, 18 May 2019 (EDT)

== Revolver Shenanigans ==

I'm looking forward to the home release of the film, as that scene with the revolvers toward the beginning was fascinating, and I wish to watch it again just to see what on earth he was doing.

Here's my little breakdown: He grabs a .44-40 cartridge (clearly marked in the display he stole it from) and played mix and match with guns to get it to fire out of what he had. From the looks of it, he took the frame from an 1875 Remington, grabbed a .44-40 cylinder from another revolver, and then grabbed the barrel off an 1858 colt and squished it onto the whole assembly, then replaced the hammer of the Remington for some reason. After all this, he successfully used to it fire that single .44-40, but the takes were such that I didn't really comprehend exactly what kind of tinkering madness he allegedly pulled off. Anyone else got thoughts on this scene? [[User:Uberdood|Uberdood]] ([[User talk:Uberdood|talk]]) 20:30, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

It seemed like a homage to two scenes from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. The scene where Eli Wallach disassembles three revolvers (albeit all the same model and brand) to make a “custom” gun, but combined with the tension of the scene where Clint Eastwood quickly reloads his revolver when he hears gunmen coming. ([[User talk:Cole Thorton]])
: I figured that the guns were broken and he was trying to figure out which parts worked.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 20:37, 10 June 2019 (EDT)
::This is likely it. I recall that he struggled with loading the first revolver that he picked up. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:01, 11 June 2019 (EDT)
The gun Wick uses to switch parts with the Remington is a Colt 1851 Navy. In real life that is physically impossible.
--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:15, 12 June 2019 (EDT)Tecolote--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:15, 12 June 2019 (EDT)
:First of all forgive me, it's been a while since I used a wiki. Also, I know more about guns than the average joe, but I wouldn't call myself a gun expert or anything. You say Colt Navy. From the movie it looked like a Colt Army Action. But even re-viewing the scene on Youtube, it's definitely a cap-and-ball revolver. It's important to note that such revolvers don't use modern cartridged bullets, so my hypothesis is that he wanted it to be able to able to quickly take a (modern cartridged) bullet. Looked at from this perspective, the scene is almost "the opposite" of the Star Trek OS episode "Arena". [[User:Des|Des]] ([[User talk:Des|talk]]) 14:29, 13 June 2019 (CAT)
::Pretty sure you can't replace the hammer on a revolver without taking apart the entire gun. He didn't use any tools other than banging on it. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:25, 13 June 2019 (EDT)

The banging is tapping the Colt barrel wedge out. If the wedge is well fitted, it should take only one tap. A Colt frame is shown without screws during the sequence. One can switch the innards of Colt Navies around, including hammers. You can't switch barrels and cylinders between calibers. Putting a Colt Navy barrel on a Remington frame is pure science fiction as Remington barrels are screwed into the frame while Colt barrels fit on the cylinder arbor and are secured by the wedge. Even if you could, the Colt Navy barrel is .36 caliber whereas the '75 Remington is a .44; Kaboom!
I did not see a '61 Navy in the sequence , but rather the '60 Army with a worn, grey finish, perhaps a non gun.
--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:35, 3 August 2019 (EDT)Tecolote--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:35, 3 August 2019 (EDT)
With the excellent screen caps now provided, I'm positive the 1860 is a non gun, a Denix. Note the screws in grip, the diamond-shaped logo on the frame and the greyish finish.
----[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 02:11, 20 October 2019 (EDT)Tecolote

There is a Glock 19X used by Wick. The lighting is poor but he starts the Morocco gun and dogfight with it. You really have to looking for it but it is there.
--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 12 June 2019 (EDT)Tecolote--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 12 June 2019 (EDT)
:Really? That would be cool (yeah, I didn't notice it due to the lighting and fast action), and it would confirm what Xtreme Props revealed two months ago. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 03:08, 13 June 2019 (EDT)

== Left side? ==

Anyone else notice that all the pages for the John Wick movies are scrunched over to the left side of the screen? And just the Wick movies, all the others seem fine. [https://i.imgur.com/5Pu6K6Z.jpg Pic]--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:30, 15 September 2019 (EDT)
::Yeah i noticed that too even in the edit box its all to the left side.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 17:34, 15 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Apparently, it's a result of the Kimber EVO SP ad video showing up at the top of all namespaces (articles, templates, images, etc.) that have "John Wick" as part of their name. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:25, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Talk:John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum

2019-08-03T22:35:23Z

Tecolote:

== OH BOY ==

Oh man this is gonna be good. John Wick 1 already convinced me to get a Heckler and Koch P30 as my first pistol (when I move). I wonder what guns this movie will convince me to get? [[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 18:34, 18 January 2019 (EST)

==Gun choices==

I know the props are meant to promote Taran Tactical, but I think John would be used an actual short barrel MPX because there's no real advantages in a long barrelled PCC [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:47, 24 January 2019 (EST)
::Taran Tactical did make an MPX SBR customization anyway (which Halle Berry trained with), in a very similar configuration to the 16" carbine seen in the movie. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:01, 11 June 2019 (EDT)
: Does the MPX Carbine count as a rifle or SMG? I called it a SMG, UltimateNinja called it a rifle because semi-only. Sure the base gun is semi-only but this is a movie, its more likely to be full-auto. And yes, we get more 3Gun nonsense from Taran Tactical and another "9mm Major" blank gun. Can't we get real combat experts to advice and not 3-Gun mall ninjas? What happened to getting ex-special forces people to advise?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 19:16, 26 January 2019 (EST)
:::I didn't call it a rifle, it's a carbine (which is why the section was titled "Rifles/Carbines"). But now that you mention it, I believe that such weapons are usually grouped with SMGs on IMFDB pages, so I'm thinking of re-adding there, but while renaming the section to "Submachine Guns/Pistol-Caliber Carbines" (been done on a few other pages). On another note, the TR-1 Ultralight was indeed shown as semi-auto most of the time in JW2. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 02:04, 27 January 2019 (EST)
::::Also, the mall ninja guns definitely fit in the John Wick atmosphere IMO (High Table, gold coins, etc.), unlike in some other movies with generic criminals. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:39, 20 July 2019 (EDT)
:: They gave him a 16" weapon last movie as well, because assassins ''always'' follow US firearms laws, even in foreign nations--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 19:22, 26 January 2019 (EST)
::I mean, some of them other assassins had shorter barrel guns. In this movie during the Morocco shootout, John actually picked up and used a short barrel MPX and then for some reason gave it to Halle Barry in the next scene. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:27, 13 June 2019 (EDT)
:::If I remember correctly, they didn't use the same gun. Wick picked up a 4.5" MPX Copperhead, but Sofia used an 8" MPX. As for Wick's choice of a 16" MPX Carbine later in the NYC Continental, I guess one possibility is that it's a "big" gun in the eyes of the audience (which he throws at an assailant when it gets emptied). Unsurprisingly, it ended up lacking effectiveness against the heavily armored attackers, though it was noticeably more effective than the 2011 Combat Master despite being chambered the same. He might as well have used a larger-caliber weapon such as an MCX assault rifle (as in, before knowing how much they were armored). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 02:58, 13 June 2019 (EDT)
::Technically the same caliber but the 1911 was in 9mm major. The different MPXs during the Morocco fight could have just been a continuity error. I think because Taran Tactical trained Keanu with the rifle MPX, it made sense. If TTI maks custom SIG MCXs, you bet John Wick would be using one in the movie. I didn't understand why they switched from the better Benelli M4 to the older M2 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:44, 13 June 2019 (EDT)
:::Probably not a continuity error so much as just a personal choice of weapons. Both the 4.5" and 8" MPX appeared that scene; Sofia might have simply picked up an 8" MPX from a random guard (whereas Wick had to commandeer the 4.5" Copperhead in an emergency situation), and Wick switched to his traditional use of pistols. As for the presence of the TTI Benelli M2, it's possibly because they wanted some variety and didn't want to use the same M4 from JW2. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:39, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

== Pistol used by Winston ==

Does anyone happen to know what the pistol used by Winston (mother-of-pearl grips) is? This pistol appears near the final scene in the "glass" room and is also the pistol used to shoot a character off the roof of the Continental. Not mentioned in the main article thus far.

It was a Colt 1903 or 1908 Pocket Hammerless --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 20:01, 18 May 2019 (EDT)

There's a scene where the adjudicator talks to the Bowery King about a Kimber 1911 that John used and takes it out her bag as evidence, but you notice the grip was different from the Kimber Warrior that was actually used in the movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:36, 18 May 2019 (EDT)

== Revolver Shenanigans ==

I'm looking forward to the home release of the film, as that scene with the revolvers toward the beginning was fascinating, and I wish to watch it again just to see what on earth he was doing.

Here's my little breakdown: He grabs a .44-40 cartridge (clearly marked in the display he stole it from) and played mix and match with guns to get it to fire out of what he had. From the looks of it, he took the frame from an 1875 Remington, grabbed a .44-40 cylinder from another revolver, and then grabbed the barrel off an 1858 colt and squished it onto the whole assembly, then replaced the hammer of the Remington for some reason. After all this, he successfully used to it fire that single .44-40, but the takes were such that I didn't really comprehend exactly what kind of tinkering madness he allegedly pulled off. Anyone else got thoughts on this scene? [[User:Uberdood|Uberdood]] ([[User talk:Uberdood|talk]]) 20:30, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

It seemed like a homage to two scenes from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. The scene where Eli Wallach disassembles three revolvers (albeit all the same model and brand) to make a “custom” gun, but combined with the tension of the scene where Clint Eastwood quickly reloads his revolver when he hears gunmen coming. ([[User talk:Cole Thorton]])
: I figured that the guns were broken and he was trying to figure out which parts worked.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 20:37, 10 June 2019 (EDT)
::This is likely it. I recall that he struggled with loading the first revolver that he picked up. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:01, 11 June 2019 (EDT)
The gun Wick uses to switch parts with the Remington is a Colt 1851 Navy. In real life that is physically impossible.
--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:15, 12 June 2019 (EDT)Tecolote--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:15, 12 June 2019 (EDT)
:First of all forgive me, it's been a while since I used a wiki. Also, I know more about guns than the average joe, but I wouldn't call myself a gun expert or anything. You say Colt Navy. From the movie it looked like a Colt Army Action. But even re-viewing the scene on Youtube, it's definitely a cap-and-ball revolver. It's important to note that such revolvers don't use modern cartridged bullets, so my hypothesis is that he wanted it to be able to able to quickly take a (modern cartridged) bullet. Looked at from this perspective, the scene is almost "the opposite" of the Star Trek OS episode "Arena". [[User:Des|Des]] ([[User talk:Des|talk]]) 14:29, 13 June 2019 (CAT)
::Pretty sure you can't replace the hammer on a revolver without taking apart the entire gun. He didn't use any tools other than banging on it. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:25, 13 June 2019 (EDT)

The banging is tapping the Colt barrel wedge out. If the wedge is well fitted, it should take only one tap. A Colt frame is shown without screws during the sequence. One can switch the innards of Colt Navies around, including hammers. You can't switch barrels and cylinders between calibers. Putting a Colt Navy barrel on a Remington frame is pure science fiction as Remington barrels are screwed into the frame while Colt barrels fit on the cylinder arbor and are secured by the wedge. Even if you could, the Colt Navy barrel is .36 caliber whereas the '75 Remington is a .44; Kaboom!
I did not see a '61 Navy in the sequence , but rather the '60 Army with a worn, grey finish, perhaps a non gun.
--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:35, 3 August 2019 (EDT)Tecolote--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:35, 3 August 2019 (EDT)

There is a Glock 19X used by Wick. The lighting is poor but he starts the Morocco gun and dogfight with it. You really have to looking for it but it is there.
--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 12 June 2019 (EDT)Tecolote--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 12 June 2019 (EDT)
:Really? That would be cool (yeah, I didn't notice it due to the lighting and fast action), and it would confirm what Xtreme Props revealed two months ago. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 03:08, 13 June 2019 (EDT)

Talk:John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum

2019-06-13T02:15:55Z

Tecolote:

Talk:John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum

2019-06-13T02:12:36Z

Tecolote:

Talk:Goldfinger

2016-06-20T16:24:37Z

Tecolote: /* Unidentified revolver in Boothroyd's shoulder holster */

[[Image:Goldfinger dvd.jpg|thumb|none|300px|DVD cover for ''Goldfinger'']]
Is it just me, or is that the most ill conceived shoulder holster ever?

==Can anyone identify these weapons?==
1) What type of weapon was used to launch a grappling hook in the pre credits sequence?
[[File:Goldfingerpiton.jpg]]
Sold for £5,750/US$9,683 17 September 1998 auction in London by Christies.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 17:35, 11 December 2013 (EST)

2)What Air Pistol was used to put Bond to sleep just after the laser bean sequence? Possibly a Webley Mk 1?[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 12:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Modified [[Crossman 2240 CO2 Pistol]][[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 17:35, 11 December 2013 (EST)

==Aston Martin's machine guns==
If anyone is interested, according to several books on Bond (including "The History of James Bond") the machine guns used by the Aston are (meant to be) modified Browning .30 Cals. Different books list them as either cut-down water cooled .30's or the air cooled M1919A3s. In actual fact, IRL the guns in the film are gas powered blanks.

* I have one of these books, and the big problem with the depiction is that the artwork depicts the guns as extremely small (almost SMG size) to let them fit in the required space.

== Derringer? ==

It looks like there's a Derringer at the bottom of the left column, under the 1908 Vest Pocket. [[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 03:06 20 October 2013 (EST)
[[Image:Goldf-wall1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
:Yes, it is. Most likely a [[Remington 1866 Derringer]]. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:24, 20 October 2013 (EDT)
Note: The gentleman in the photo is Bond Stuntman George Leech[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 17:36, 11 December 2013 (EST)

== Unidentified revolver in Boothroyd's shoulder holster ==

Geoffrey Boothroyd's book The Handgun pictures a number of "Bond guns", including one identified as, "A considerably modified Smith and Wesson (sic) Military and Police Model which appeared on the dust jacket of Ian Fleming's From Russia with Love." The pictured gun has the same style of grips, round-butt magna with S&W medallion, as shown in the still from the Guns of Bond short. The gun pictured in the book has a barrel shortened to the length of the ejector rod, jeweled hammer and trigger, and "Fitz Special" style cut-away trigger guard.

The holster is a Berns-Martin Triple Draw.

== Testing a bullet-resistant vest ==

It is a film-fallacy that bullet-resistant vests are tested by firing a full submachine gun burst at a person modeling the vest, but if you watch this scene again, the testers also check the vest-wearer's trousers for bullet holes.

I would think if someone hit by a bullet or even a fragment, he would know right away!

i am pretty sure the test subject would clarify if there was any misses to his legs --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 11:02, 8 December 2014 (EST)

== North Koreans? ==

Goldfingers men were North Korean right? In my latest entry in the article I wrote so, but I did it automatically. I've always assumed they were NK. In retrospect I cant recall if and when Goldfinger says the troops are NK. Did I just imagine this? [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 11:42, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
:I thought they were Red Chinese. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:47, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
::Wonder where the heck I got Korean from..I better go re watch the movie. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 11:59, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
::Nevermind, it just hit me: Goldfinger comments at the golf club with regards to his butler "Oddjob": "Golf is not yet the national game of Korea". Of course that only proves Oddjob is Korean, not Goldfingers soldiers. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 12:02, 20 June 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Free State of Jones

2016-03-01T00:15:04Z

Tecolote: /* brass-framed revolvers */ new section

== brass-framed revolvers ==

Both the Remington New Army and Colt 1851 Navy photos show brass framed examples(I can't really tell if the frame of the Colt 1860 Army is of brass or just worn...). There were no brass framed CSA copies of the Remington. While there were some brass framed "Colt" Navies,such as the Griswold and Gunnison, they were rare and real Colts were much more likely to be used, as were imported Kerr and Lefaucheux revolvers. The gun companies do make proper copies of CS made guns nowadays, so if the filmmakers insist on using confedearate made guns they can get a good copy, rather than use "fantasy" guns. This is a pet peeve when it comes to CW movies.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:15, 29 February 2016 (EST)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:15, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Talk:Colt 1851 Navy

2016-02-09T03:38:17Z

Tecolote: /* Cartridge Conversions? */

= Additional Images =
[[File:Denix Colt Navy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Denix Colt 1851 Navy non-firing replica]]
[[File:Pietta Colt 1851 Navy Sheriffs Brass .jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pietta Colt 1851 Navy Sheriff's with brass frame - .44 caliber]]

= Discussion =
The gun is listed twice for Clint Eastwood in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. He just used the cartridge conversion model (which hadn't been invented at the time)as did everyone else in the film. If I remember correctly Lee Van Cleef carried a Remington New Army. He had a cartridge belt on it but in the closeups of the final shootout at the graveyard you can see percussion caps on cylinder. [[User:Harleyguy|Harleyguy]] 11 May 2010 03:57

== Cartridge Conversions? ==

Due to the popularity of Colt Revolver reproductions, this is very hard to find out just by searching randomly on the internet. I have been wondering what cartridges the original Colt 1851 Navy was converted to aside from .38 Short Colt. This very imfdb page says the Richards-Mason conversion existed in .38 Long Colt and that cartridge seems to be used in a lot of movies too. But the .38 Long was mainly used in the Colt M1892 it seems, which seems a bit late to convert a Colt Navy. Was there .38 Long conversions of 1851 Navy's in the 19th century, or are those just modern reproductions?

Additionally, was there ever any conversions to .38 S&W? And finally was there ever any .44 Caliber Conversions?

Thanks in advance. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 10:39, 23 February 2014 (EST)

There were no conversions to .44 caliber. Only .44 cal. Percussion revolvers were converted to .44 cartridge revolvers. Back in the day the terms "Navy " and/or
"Navy size " meant .36 cal. and "Army " meant .44, no matter what modern gunmakers come out with. Also a lot of "conversions " were actually originally made as cartridge guns. Hope this helps.

Talk:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. - Season 1

2016-02-02T02:43:23Z

Tecolote: /* Bauer .25 */

Before anyone says it, I don't think they were using P38Ks. If the [http://www.manfromuncle.org/gun.htm armorers just went ahead] and converted two P38s to full auto without worrying about the legality of it, I don't think they'd have any qualms about cutting down the barrel of a regular P38. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:31, 4 December 2015 (EST)
Since the real P38K wasn't introduced until 1974,they couldn't have as the series was gone by then. There were plenty of home-snubbed P38s around in those days; the story that came with them being that they were "Gestapo Specials". In "I Spy" Robert Culp toted a snubbed P38 in an upside down holster(maybe the gun was snubbed to fit the holster?)
Anyone interested the the UNCLE gun should visit the Man From UNCLE gun.com website. Plenty of great info there.
--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:26, 5 December 2015 (EST)

== unknown rifle ==

Milan Horth ([[Roger C. Carmel]]) carried an unknown rifle in "The Quadripartite Affair" (S01E03). There's never a good shot of it in the episode.
[[Image:UNCLE_0103_rifle_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Milan Horth with his rifle slung in "The Quadripartite Affair" (S01E03).]]
[[Image:UNCLE_0103_rifle_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Milan Horth with his rifle slung in "The Quadripartite Affair" (S01E03).]]
Maybe a sporterized Mauser K98k? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:09, 11 December 2015 (EST)

== Luger ==

It's clear there's something up with that Luger. I'm pretty sure it's a .22 caliber version, given how thin the barrel is and the how small it looks. Any ideas on exactly which? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:53, 22 December 2015 (EST)

I suspect that is actually light reflecting off the bore restrictor screwed into the barrel for blank fire. Tecolote

:I'm not just referring to the bore, but also the thickness of the barrel and how small it looks in the hands of the actors. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:45, 24 December 2015 (EST)
[[Image: UNCLE 0105 P08 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

== Bauer .25 ==

I admit I'm a bit shaky on that ID. I initially IDed it as a Colt Vest Pocket, but the slide looks a lot more squared off. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:46, 1 February 2016 (EST)

Bauers weren't made until 1972. That looks more like the Colt to me.

Talk:13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi

2016-01-25T03:44:05Z

Tecolote: /* Does Michael Bay got sponsored by Salient Arms International? */

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 01:09, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

[[File:13H 318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rifle on the left.]]
[[Knight's Armament SR-25|M110 SASS]] maybe? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 06:46, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
This is an HK417--[[User:CFS01|CFS01]] ([[User talk:CFS01|talk]]) 15:05, 3 September 2015 (EDT)
[[File:13H 315.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[PK Machine Gun|PKM]]? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 06:46, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
[[File:13H 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
I'm pretty sure that's a 3rd gen Glock, an intermediate variant, a [[Glock 19]] or quite possibly a [[Glock 23]], though the slide looks a bit off (could be some kind of custom slide). The other pistol looks like the SIG P226R mentioned on the page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 23:50, 13 August 2015 (EDT)
:That would be in keeping with these guys being former SEALs. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 04:54, 14 August 2015 (EDT)
[[File:13H 326.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

AR looks like a Salient Arms AR15 with their Jailbreak muzzle attachment

== The Book ==

Just finished the book this movie is based on. The only weapons mentioned (clearly) are M4s, AKs, PKMs and a belt fed machine gun, carried by the GRS operators, that is only described as being 22lbs. with a 200 round belt so I am guessing it is/was an M249 variant. Oh and not that it's germain to the topic of this site but 'Jack Silva' is actually a pseudonym...the real guy chose anonymity when the book was being written in collaboration with the Annex Security Team. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:49, 13 August 2015 (EDT)

Also weren't some of these guys Navy SEALs? I know guys in the services will always distinguish being called a Soldier, a Marine, a Sailor and an Airman. They don't like or want the one term for all guys who serve to be thrown around and consider misidentification a bit insulting. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:31, 4 November 2015 (EST)
:Two of the Annex Security team members were former SEALs, three were former Marines and one was a former Ranger. One member of the 'relief' force was also a former SEAL and the others were active duty SOF. But these guys, strictly speaking, were not CIA. They were members of the Global Response Staff which, while made up of some CIA staffers, is usually comprised of former SOF operators who act as security for intelligence outposts and diplomats. My guess is the creation of that group was due to the fall from grace of Blackwater and other PMCs. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 20:15, 5 November 2015 (EST)

== Saw it tonight ==
Pretty intense movie. A few things that stood out were that the M4s appeared to have correct A2 flash hiders judging by their muzzle flashes, there were two Deltas with suppressed HK416 D10RS, during one scene in a market a merchant is briefly seen holding up an AKMSU with the original thumbhole forestock, and in the same scene was shown a Beretta PM12S. The Daesh militants also used mortars I couldn't ID to bombard the annex. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 04:11, 15 January 2016 (EST)
:I'm pretty sure they weren't ISIS, rather the north African Al-Qaeda cell.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 11:13, 15 January 2016 (EST)
::Then the production goofed, because they were flying Daesh's current black standard.[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:09, 15 January 2016 (EST)

==Does Michael Bay got sponsored by Salient Arms International?==
I don't mind when Transformers: Age of Extinction science-fiction got a load of Salient Arms International product placement but this? Its like when Baretta tries to convince us that the US Navy SEAL in Lone Survivor used Baretta M9 as their official sidearm. Does the operator involved in Benghazi Attack really used Salient Arms International product during actual attack? [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])

It did kinda bothered me that these really expensive guns are in this movie. Unless the contractor company the guys technically work under issued them really expensive hardware, I kinda don't believe it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:31, 24 January 2016 (EST)

According to the Feb.issue of Guns & Ammo, the anwer is no:"...Micheal Bay...wanted to show these guys were always looking to improve their kit...We wanted to have some really visually unique pieces in the film." The article is quoting Harry Humphries, the film's armorer.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:44, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Talk:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015)

2016-01-18T04:29:32Z

Tecolote: /* Browning Hi Power */ new section

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==Mauser?!==
In the middle of screencapping the trailer and I can't quite identify this, looks like a heavily dressed up Mauser, but I can't be sure, any suggestions?
[[File:ManFrom-Custom.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 15:19, 13 February 2015 (GMT)
:When I saw the trailer, I assumed it was the famous U.N.C.L.E carbine, based on the P38. (You know, Megatron.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:31, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::And please crop the black bars from all screencaps and reupload. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:32, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Yeah, it seems obvious now, lol, thanks for the help, and I've gone ahead and altered the screencaps --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 15:51, 13 February 2015 (GMT)
:::OK, a few things. I don't think it's a sure thing that the movie carbine is built around the P38. Looking closely at the pistol it looks nothing like a P38, but more like a Mauser as you originally stated. Notice how Illya appears to be bracing his hand on something well forward of the trigger, which to me looks like the box magazine of a Mauser. There is some discussion at [https://www.facebook.com/pages/Man-From-Uncle-Gun/186395181410983 Man from Uncle Gun Facebook page] as to the identity of the base weapon, and one poster notes that it's probably not a P38 as there is no safety catch on the slide. This poster also says he is trying to contact Guy Ritchie's "people" to confirm what pistol was used for the carbine...we'll see if he gets a response.
:::Also the Walther is an MPK, the barrel is too short to be an MPL. Illya appears to be using a Makarov, a standard version in the car at the beginning of the trailer, and a suppressed version on the movie poster. Looking at some behind the scenes photos that were taken when this was being filmed, I believe the guns on the patrol boat are FN MAGS.
:::Since I found out this movie was in the works I've been trying to find out what firearms would be used. Unfortunately, most unofficial photos that I found of the production are so blurry positive identification is impossible. The only guns that I'm 100% sure about, which don't appear in the trailer, are Sterling smg's, used by UNCLE commandos. I also saw some kind of battle rifles held by some extras, either FAL or G3; and what appears to be a SIG P210 used by a henchman, but again, the photo quality was too poor to be sure. Of course none of these weapons can be added to the page as there are no official photos as of yet, but thought I would just mention them FYI.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 13:17, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::::I'll leave the Uncle custom as it is for now until we get a better look at it, but I'll change the MPL to a K as I've had a closer look and I agree. I haven't seen the low quality pictures you have, care to share them? I also noticed what looked like a Makarov on the seat of the car but it was a very brief glimpse and didn't preally think it was enough to properly identify it, but if you feel comfortable adding it then feel free too. I noticed a soldier with a rifle slung on his back as well that I straight away thought was an M1 Garand, but I can't make a 100% positive identification of it as we only really see the muzzle. Also was thinking of adding the pistol held by Illya on the poster, which I'm pretty sure is a Makarov with a custom suppressor, can anyone else confirm? --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 19:00, 13 February 2015 (GMT)
:::::Here's some of the photo's I've found:
:::::This looks like a [https://www.facebook.com/TheManfromUncleMovie/photos_stream?ref=page_internal#!/TheManfromUncleMovie/photos/pb.269730629769530.-2207520000.1423855552./538894039519853/?type=3&theater SIG P210]
:::::Guy on extreme left and Guy in center appear to have [https://www.facebook.com/TheManfromUncleMovie/photos/pb.269730629769530.-2207520000.1423855826./531418086934115/?type=3&theater FAL or G3] battle rifles. You will probably have to zoom into photo to see these.
:::::This appears to be [http://www.henrycavillnews.com/2013/11/exclusive-henry-cavill-films-boat-chase.html FN MAG] mounted on patrol boat. Again, you will have to zoom on photo.
:::::You can see from the quality of the photos why positive IDs are impossible. There are photos of the UNCLE commandos with Sterlings at a site named LaneyBoggs2001.tumbler.com, but I don't have time to find them now. I agree with you about the M1 Garand. There is also an M2 .50 cal mounted on the M41 tank.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 14:44, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::::::Yeah I think you're dead on about those ID's but best to wait for official stills before adding them to the page. Also added to the description of the U.N.C.L.E. Custom about the ambiguity of the specific pistol involved.--[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 20:29, 13 February 2015 (GMT)
:::::::[https://www.facebook.com/pages/Man-From-Uncle-Gun/186395181410983 Man from Uncle Gun Facebook page] now states that the gun used for the UNCLE carbine is a [[Walther_GSP|Walther GSP]]. Strange choice, since it is a target pistol. Besides that, it is anachronistic as the model in .32 wasn't even available until 1971. A Walther OSP could have been used instead, which was around during the timeframe of the movie. Considering this odd choice for the carbine, I'm guessing this is one of those situations where the script calls for a totally fictional weapon invented by UNCLE, forcing the armorer to use the best possible option as a base weapon. I'd compare it to the use of the Mauser C96 in [[Sherlock_Holmes:_A_Game_of_Shadows#Mauser_C96|Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows]]. The script called for a Moriarty-designed clip-fed automatic pistol, so the best option was probably to use a Mauser, even if in reality it hadn't been invented at that time, rather than build a prop from the ground up.
:::::::I mentioned that in the film the UNCLE commandos use Sterlings, and here's photo that I found a while back: [https://hmssweblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/uncle2ndunit.jpg UNCLE Commandos Sterling SMG]. This isn't from the same group of photos I mentioned before, in which the Sterlings were clearly seen, but by zooming in it's obvious what kind of SMG is being used.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 12:32, 17 February 2015 (EST)

The Man From Uncle Gun Facebook page has some photos of the gun, both disassembled, and assembled: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Man-From-Uncle-Gun/186395181410983 --[[User:Krel|Krel]] ([[User talk:Krel|talk]]) 21:47, 3 August 2015 (EDT)

:It appears at least one of these guns, judging by the credits shot taken from the main page, was based on a Walther GSP judging by the slanted magazine and trigger assembly. It's worth noting that while a competition .22 automatic would be a prime weapon for a stealth-based assassin (See ''[[La Femme Nikita (1990)|Nikita]]''), the Walther GSP was first produced in 1968 and is likely an anachronism by a few years. --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 21:09, 25 December 2015 (EST)
:[[Image:WGSP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther GSP - .22LR]]
:[[Image:U.N.C.L.E. Pistol 2015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Taken from the end credits. Note the slanted magazine and mag housing, as well as the trigger area.]]

==Game==
Looks like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvHTOUZugs0 the game coming out tomorrow] is going to have the pistol in it (which seems to be fully automatic). Seeing as it's free-to-play, there'll probably be a good side picture of the gun in some type of store menu.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 22:45, 11 July 2015 (EDT)
:I just played it, it's terrible, also no real good look at the pistol. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 16:06, 12 July 2015 (GMT)

::I didn't have to play it to know that. :)

::But I'm kind of disappointed there's no good shot of the pistol. Oh well.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 16:27, 13 July 2015 (EDT)

==Anachronistic rifle in new trailer==
I watched the final trailer for MFU and spotted a guard using what appears to be a Sig 542. This rifle is anachronistic for the time period as it wasn't produced until 1973. I realize this movie had a limited budget, but it seems hard to believe that the armorer couldn't source a more period correct rifle, such as a FAL, G3, or even a Cetme. It seems a given that these period films will contain some kind of anachronism, be it songs, costumes, guns, or cars. I read on IMCDB that the Trabant Iylla is driving is actually a 1980's model!- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:21, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
:Which trailer are you referring to? And do we know what year this movie takes place in? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 08:02, 4 August 2015 (EDT)
::The trailer I was talking about is [http://youtu.be/lpETehz1mVQ here]. The SIG appears around :44.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:14, 5 August 2015 (EDT)
::The movie takes place in the early 1960's, the specific year has yet to be stated. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 16:45, 04 August 2015 (GMT)

At least one of the trailers has the date 1963 and clips of Kennedy and Khruschev,however the fashions, particularly of the women is of the latter half of the 60s, so I don't think strict period correctness is a big part of the movie. I agree the rifle in questoes looks like a Sig 542,at least on my iphone.According to IMDB, at least two commandos are referred to as "SBS" so one would expect FALs and Sterlings(which are in the movie), which a British armourer ought to have plenty of. We'll find out in a week or so...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 14:04, 4 August 2015 (EDT)
::I read an interview with the costume designer for the movie and she said Richie told her didn't have to be accurate to the 1963 timeline, the clothes just needed to be stylish, so she went with fashions from '66, '67, '68 period. So it's true period accuracy isn't a big priority for Richie. As far as the guns, though, there seems to be an effort to use weapons that existed in 1963, so why randomly throw in a rifle that didn't exist at all? I assume it had to do with budget limitations and what was on hand. I should note that one of the armorers for this movie is Joss Skottowe, who worked on some Bond films, including Quantum of Solace, which featured some SIG 542 rifles. Perhaps the rifle in MFU is one that was used in QOS? I think did spot a L1A1 in the background of one of the scenes, in the hands of a sailor on the aircraft carrier.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:21, 5 August 2015 (EDT)

Saw the movie yesterday and enjoyed it alot. The raid is carried by SBS commandos, and except for the above mentioned SIG, it's all Sterlings vs. Walther MPKs. Kuryakin does carry the "UNCLE" carbine,although there is no exposition about it;he just has it, while Solo uses a Sterling. Both he and Solo carry Browning HPs in anachronistic Eagle-style dropleg holsters. The Brownings are period correct T series or earlier models,at least in closeup. the raid is shown in "multi-screen format", so it's hard to ID everything, particularly whatever suppressed item the SBS sniper used as the Zodiacs were closing in.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:34, 15 August 2015 (EDT)
:So, there are no other battle rifles used besides the SIG? No G3 or L1A1 rifles? It's strange the SIG was thrown in there since it seems there was some effort to use period correct firearms. I noticed the modern tactical holsters in some photos that I found on the internet. I can only guess this is the result of the limited budget, which prevented the filmmakers from obtaining or making holsters more appropriate for the 1963 time period. I posted a link above to a behind the scenes photo showing a hench man with what appears to be a SIG P210. Is it shown clearly in the film? How was the SBS raid sequence overall? I was hoping to see a action packed shoot out, but I get the impression that this scene is diminished by the use of the split screens.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:21, 16 August 2015 (EDT)

==Metric FAL==
I saw what looked like a FN FAL 50.00 being used by the Italian Security guards at the Shipping Company (near the Harbor). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 00:13, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
:I missed the FAL. Which scene was it in? The only rifles I saw were the SIGs.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 19:37, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

== Sniper rifle ==

I have no idea what kind of rifle the Royal Marine snipers are using. All I can tell is that it's bolt action. Any ideas? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:21, 8 January 2016 (EST)
[[Image: UNCLE2015_sniper_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image: UNCLE2015_sniper_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|I got a shot of the shooter cycling.]]
: Annn... British [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)#Enfield Enforcer/L42A1 sniper rifle|L42A1 sniper rifle]] ?--[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 16:11, 9 January 2016 (EST)
::From the time period, sure, but I don't think there's any way to be sure. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:22, 9 January 2016 (EST)

== Spares ==

[[Image:ManFromUncle-Makarov-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Illya with his suppressed Makarov.]]
[[Image:ManFromUncle-StenandCustom-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Illya with the P38 Custom, alongside Solo armed with his Sterling SMG.]]
[[Image:ManFromUncle-Sterling-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royal Marines armed with their Sterling SMGs]]

== Browning Hi Power ==

In real life, the BHP used by Solo and Kuryakin would have been a T series or earlier. The ones used in the movie,at least in close up, are current MK IIIs,as shown by the ambidextrous safety and the sights, to which a rowel type hammer has been fitted in place of the current style spur hammer. As the spur hammer is what usually gives away a current production BHP in period movies, the addition of the period rowel hammer is a nice touch;kudos for trying.
The anachronistic leg holsters are likely made by Kombat UK. The period correct Pattern 58 holsters worn by the Marines in khaki on deck would more likely have benn worn crossdraw in the 60s, as the holster is designed that way, but strongside does work better for the movie,,,--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 23:29, 17 January 2016 (EST)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 23:29, 17 January 2016 (EST)

Talk:Special Forces (2011)

2016-01-09T19:22:20Z

Tecolote:

==Please help ID these weapons==
Need help ID'ing these weapons. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:39, 31 March 2012 (CDT)
[[File:SpecFor 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The machine gun on the right.]]
[[File:SpecFor 90.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The machine gun on the right]]
[[File:AA52.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MAS AA-52 GPMG - 7.5x54mm French.]]
[[MAS AA-52]]

[[File:SpecFor 115.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not sure what grenade launcher this is.]]
Looks like a Romanian AG40 grenade launcher.
==G36==
Just rewatched the movie and at one point the beretta switches to a G36 (low profile rail of a c model, typical sights +a red dot scope ,folded skeleton stock fitted with a cheek pad, only the back end is seen but clearly a G36) My version is in Russian dub, but its after the scene where they talk how one of the guys read her article, on my copy its about 44-45 minutes in.

==Discussion==
Anyone have any info on this movie? What's it about? Also, that Aimpoint on the SF guys' M4s is a CompM4, the newly adopted M68 CCO. The only time I remember seeing a CompM4 was in an episode of ''Burn Notice''. Edit: And the guy with his RDS mounted on the carry handle has a 727, not an M4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:23, 15 December 2011 (CST)

http://sg.movies.yahoo.com/Special%20Forces/movie/16650/

Not sure if it will get a wide release in the USA.

Also - that Dragunov is a PSL.

I'm not sure a French movie with French Special Forces would have success in USA, even if it's a good film despite a few improbabilities (use of a Super-Frelon helicopter, five of the 6 SF operators are officers ...).

:Call of Duty in recent years has used the British SAS as pretty much the main event, yet it found success. Not to mention Medal of Honor 2010 and Six Days in Fallujah drawing significant criticism for focusing on the US military instead of going "international". Personally, I'm less interested in who they are than I am whether or not it's a good movie. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:11, 11 March 2012 (CDT)

Anyone know the sight on the MP5? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
:Aimpoint Micro T1. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:20, 11 March 2012 (CDT)

== "Switch off your jams" ==
Could someone enlighten me as to what that means??? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:26, 21 August 2012 (CDT)
:What's the context? If it is said or on a sign at a friendly outpost then it may be referring to IED jammers which are installed on vehicles or carried in rucksacks. They emit radio jamming that interferes with wireless detonated IEDs, but also created problems for radios which is why they would need to be turned off when not needed. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:29, 21 August 2012 (CDT)

== Victor's Glock training ==

I watched this the other night on Netflix and noticed something. When they show Victor training at the base range with his G19, he shoots, appears to rack the slide, aims and shoots again. What kind of drill is this as I can't recall ever seeing something similar. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 05:16, 5 March 2014 (EST)
: I'd guess some kind of failure to fire/eject drill. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:45, 5 March 2014 (EST)

Perhaps the Glock wasn't blank adapted properly.

Talk:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. - Season 1

2015-12-23T23:21:38Z

Tecolote: /* Luger */

Talk:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. - Season 1

2015-12-23T23:20:49Z

Tecolote: /* Luger */

Talk:Live and Let Die

2015-12-08T00:43:43Z

Tecolote: /* Blaxploitation */

__TOC__ 
==DVD Cover==
[[Image:Lald.jpg|thumb|none|300px|DVD cover for ''Live and Let Die'' (1973)]]

== Model 19 Snubnose ==
A Quick question - if Bond identifies the S&W model 19 as "standard CIA issue", why do most of Kananga's gangsters use them as well?
:Same reason a lot of cops use Glocks and gangsters as well. And its a movie, so it was probably cheaper to rent a few Model 19 revolvers than several different guns. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::I think the issue here is Bond making wild assumptions about a person's affiliations, despite having a really common weapon. ("That guy had a Glock 22! Why is the Nashville PD after me?") --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 12:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I haven't seen this film in a while but I think I remember Bond making other observations about the weapon like it having the serial number removed. If bond already suspected CIA affiliation, the weapon may have simply confirmed it. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::::Yes, but the CIA is hardly the only organization that would want to remove serial numbers off of guns. Them, and probably all the criminals in the world. Maybe if it had special CIA grips or special CIA ammo. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Bond incorrectly identified it as a Smith and Wesson .38 which would make it a model 10 or 15 when it was in fact a model 19 .357 magnum. So much for being an expert :/
:Bond is as only as knowledgeable as his scriptwriter. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:20, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

On the S&W M29 - according to the book James Bond's London, Bapty supplied a Smith and Wesson Model 66 Combat Magnum for the voodoo sacrifice sequence. And to me, Bond's revolver in the film doesn't appear to have the mass of an M29.

Beware of camera angles and lens distortion. At the time of the movie's , Roger Moore wrote a book about making the film, and he referred to the Model 29.
Apparently Smith & Wesson supplied most of the guns as product placement. The Colt Python, the S&W the hood waves at Bond ,and the revolver Rosie is pointing on the point are all a S&W Model 27 .357 with a 3.5 inch barrel, likely the same exact gun. The gun shown in the boat cabinet is a Model 19. Also the snub Model 10 appears to be a Model 36 Chief's Special,due to frame size and the small round butt typicla of the J frame Smiths.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:30, 7 December 2015 (EST)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:30, 7 December 2015 (EST)

== Blaxploitation ==

Just being curious, but what makes this movie qualify as a blaxploitation movie? Apart from lots of coloured actors with Afro hairdo's, this movie seems to be a pretty regular James Bond flick. Would be interested to hear your opinion, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 15:08, 7 December 2015 (EST)
:Bond films follow popular trends, and LALD come out when blaxploitation was big. Aside from the fact that the protagonist is white, it's pretty much a blaxploitation film. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:21, 7 December 2015 (EST)
At the time several reviewers considred it a rebuttal to the typical blaxploitation film.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:43, 7 December 2015 (EST)

Talk:Live and Let Die

2015-12-08T00:30:15Z

Tecolote: /* Model 19 Snubnose */

Talk:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. - Season 1

2015-12-08T00:07:57Z

Tecolote:

Talk:The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

2015-12-06T22:32:31Z

Tecolote: /* A short musket (unidentified) */

== Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber fitted with stock. ==

I just watched the Good, bad ugly movie. I do not believe the bounty hunter is using the "Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber fitted with stock" as shown in the photo. In the photo the bounty hounters left hand is supporting his right hands wrist which makes it look like a revolver with a stock.
In the next scene you can see the same bounty hounter spin his revolver before holstering it.
You can check it out yourself. I recommend the entry to be removed.
[[Special:Contributions/83.253.37.85|83.253.37.85]] 19:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:GBUColtArmy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Bounty Hunter approaches Tuco with the Colt Army, fitted with a stock.]]
I think you're right. His left hand hand is holding his right wrist. You can see his thumb. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

::Its been almost 6 months. Will someone plz change the article?
[[Special:Contributions/83.253.32.171|83.253.32.171]] 19:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

There a South Korean remake called the The Good, the Bad, the Weird. from what I have seen is fallow the original plot but is based in Manchuria china during the 1930 when Japan starts invade china.

The Good is a bounty hunter and uses a Winchester Model 1873 carbine, double-barreled side-by-side shotgun, and a unknown revolver

The Bad a well dressed a bandit/hitman uses a Webley revolver

The Weird is a thief that carry's two Walther P38

== Colt M1917 ==

Looking at the supposed Colt M1917, I don't think it is. If you look close, it doesn't appear to have a trigger guard, and the lanyard ring and grip look wrong to me. I think it might actually be an Italian Bodeo 1889. That said the picture isn't clear enough for me to judge - anyone else care to weigh in? - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]
:Actually, it's got to be a Bodeo. You can see the locking spring for the folding trigger. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Gun shop Storekeepers speech ==

When Tuco demands to see "better" quality revolvers the storekeeper takes him over to a display case, does anyone have the exact lines spoken as the storekeeper removes the pistols and places them on top of the case?--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 18:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Storekeeper - "Here, Remington, Colt, a Root, Smith-Wesson, Colt - navy, Joslyn, another Remington, and this one..."
Tuco - "That's enough."

:From the DVD. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 19:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Percussion Revolver ==
I assume that a "cartridge revolver" is a revolver that person who isn't a gun expert (like me) would call "normal" - i.e. loaded with bullets. But what exactly is a "percussion revolver"? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 20:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== percussion revolvers ==

Percussion revolvers were the forerunners of cartridge revolvers. The action is the same but the difference is the method of loading. Percussion revolvers were loaded by pouring loose powder into each of the six chambers of the cylinder, a round ball was then placed in the chamber and pressed into place against the powder charge using the loading lever which is located along the bottom of the barrel. This of course was done in turn for each chamber. A "percussion cap" was then placed on each "nipple" located at the rear of the cylinder. When struck by the hammer, the percussion cap produced a spark which traveled through the nipple into the loaded chamber thus igniting the powder charge.

::Wow, that sounds.. old :P. Thanks for the info! [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 15:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

:::Old, but quite a bit of fun to shoot. :) It also doesn't seem as complicated to do as to read. [[User:Blokhed|Blokhed]] 26 December 2010

== Angel Eye's Remington ==

Doesn't Angel Eye's use his Remington 1858 to kill the man and his son in the beginning?--[[User:A Shootist|A Shootist]]

Yeah, i noticed that as well. I don't think he fires it again after that, though.

== Movie takes place 1862 ==

Entry made at the IMDB:
"Though no specific year or date is stated in the movie, at least part of it takes place during the New Mexico Campaign of 1862. This is confirmed when both the hotel-keeper and Tuco mentions the retreating Confederate General Sibley (the historical Henry H. Sibley) and the advancing Union Colonel Canby (another historical person, Edward Canby). This is consistent with the campaign that took place between Feb-April 1862 in New Mexico and what was then Confederate Arizona."

So those Springfield 1863 rifles are anachronistic. :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 10:29, 11 December 2011 (CST)

==The story of Tuco's holster==
As I have problems placing on websites for information, here's an interview with Eli Wallach about how Tuco was supposed to wear his revolver-

WALLACH: One of the things he [Sergio Leone] said to me - he said, I want every shot to be done like Vermeer. I want the light to come in from the side windows. And he said to me, I don't want you to have your gun in a holster. I said, where will I put it? He said, with a lanyard around your neck. I said, oh, and then it dangles between my knees, right?

GROSS: (Laughing).

WALLACH: He said, yeah. He said, when you want it, you twist your shoulders. And I cut, and the gun is in your hand. I said, show me. He put it around his neck. He twisted his shoulder. He missed the gun. It hit him in the groin. He said, keep it in your pocket. So that's - that's...

GROSS: (Laughing) It's interesting that you became a kind of action hero when you were - what? - probably in your 50s already.(from 'Fresh Air' Remembers Actor Eli Wallach)[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 15:34, 19 January 2015 (EST)

== A short musket (unidentified) ==

The kneeling solder on the far left is seen with a short musket. I'm no expert on muskets but it is not a full length one. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 12:57, 12 November 2015 (EST)
[[File:GoodBadUglyShortMusket.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]

That is a repro of the Remington "Zouave". The originals, oddly enough, weren't ever issued,but it was one of the first Civil War long arms to be repro'do.

== Spanish 10 inch mortar ==

Some info here: [http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2085-373/ link]. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 05:31, 6 December 2015 (EST)

Talk:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. - Season 1

2015-12-06T03:26:22Z

Tecolote:

Talk:District B13

2015-11-03T04:45:08Z

Tecolote: /* Glock */

__TOC__ 

== SG-550 is actually a SG-551? ==

I haven't actually seen this movie myself (so I can't study multiple screenshots) but when I happened upon this page, I could not help to notice that it seems the SG-550 is actually an SG-551.

[[Image:SIG550-551.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I am not too experienced with the SG-55x series, but I noticed what appear to be 4 differences:

(1) handguard in screenshot has a 3 openings on the top side rather than 5 on the SG550, (2) the lower part of the handguard towards the magazine seems to be sloped downwards towards the trigger, rather than straight like on the SG550, (3) the lower forward part of the handguard (just above the flashlight) seems to have some sort of a rail-like dent, just like on the SG551, and (4) the external part of the barrel seems to be quite short, just like on the SG551.

Please let me know what you think and I will gladly make a revision, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 03:29, 7 October 2011 (CDT)

:It is a SG 551. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:06, 7 October 2011 (CDT)

Thanks a lot for the quick confirmation. As you may have seen, I revised the page plus the references on the respective gun pages. --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 07:53, 8 October 2011 (CDT)

== Title Wrong? ==

Is the title of this page wrong, as IMDB lists it as "District 13", and B13 is short for the original French title "Banlieue 13". "District B13" seems like it is redundant. Every poster and DVD I can find either calls it "District 13", or "B13/Banlieue 13". --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:02, 8 December 2011 (CST)
:I agree, it's silly, but IMDB lists it as [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414852/combined "District B13"] That's also technically the American title, if you look at the release info. If you really wanted, I guess you can argue for the International English title, "13th District." And [http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4070937088/tt0414852 this poster] does say "District B13." --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:23, 8 December 2011 (CST)
::For me IMDB has the title as District 13. Maybe it is trying to be a clever bastard by knowing where I am and giving me the English title. Have swapped the current poster for the US release one as per the rules. Sequel makes it more confusing, as it drops the B for the US version. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:44, 8 December 2011 (CST)
:::You SHOULD mention you're a Brit in your user page. (then I can make bad teeth jokes, just kidding) That helps us figure things out like "why does Your google or IMDB show different things. They divert to the respective servers in your region of the world. you won't see stuff that Americans see. We see differences here all the time that are regional. You aren't the first Englishman to wonder why the hell we have stuff listed the way we do, since their "Amazon" or "IMDB" pages show something different. Sometimes you gotta trust us when we state that some items are listed a certain way in America :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:59, 21 January 2012 (CST)

== La France M16K?? ==

On the page under Skorpian, the photo of the AR15 'pistol/smg' the henchman is holding MIGHT be a La France M16K. The barrel length in the shot looks good, and the original M16K uses the CAR-15 receiver. There's a 5.56 version and a .45 machine gun version. From the wikipedia page, "The M16K is a so-called "K" weapon ("K" standing for the German word Kurz meaning short.) The La France M16K, was basically a standard military M16 rifle, chambered for the standard issue 5.56 mm cartridge with an 8 3/8 inch (213 mm) barrel. The standard barrel length is 20 inches (508 mm)." What you think?

---- Miyazawa (i have no clue how to sign these posts.....)

== shotgun ==

Why wouldn't this be a Mossberg 500? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:47, 12 November 2013 (EST)
[[Image:B13 DesertEagle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To the left, one of Montoyas' guards reloads his Savage-Stevens 67H Pump Shotgun - 12 gauge]]

== This Galil is 7.62mm model ? ==

[[Image:B13_Galil_02.jpg|800px|none|thumb|Left French National police men using Galil 7.62mm ARM ?]]
I can see the shape of the magazine to be different on the left. --[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 10:25, 13 November 2013 (JST)
[[File:Banlieue 13 - Galil.jpg|700px|none|thumb|Definitely a 7.62 Galil.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 21:27, 12 November 2013 (EST)]]

:I would like to edit, but it must have somehow the image of police men. Can you change to a new image of [[Media:B13_Galil_02.jpg]]? --[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 13:52, 13 November 2013 (JST)

==SIG pistol==

The pistol used by Leïto can't be a P228, since in the film it has a squared trigger guard, which is not the case for a P228 (except for the P228R, though this one has a rail, unlike the one in the film). Any ideas about the pistol? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:35, 20 March 2015 (EDT)
:Really can't tell much with that image in that section (I assume you mean listed under the 'SIG Pro 2009' section). It does appear to be an intermediate/compact-sized SIG, but the newer squared trigger-guarded P228 and P229s indeed do have rails and, more importantly, weren't released until after this film's production I think. It could be a [[SIG-Sauer P225]], but again, it's tough to tell. That being said, this page really needs a good once-over. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:15, 20 March 2015 (EDT)
::Eh, could be a P225. Since we're not sure about the pistol, I've changed the heading to SIG pistol until we identify it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:44, 21 March 2015 (EDT)

==Glock==
I think the pistol used by Tomaso in the casino is always a Glock 33 and doesn't switch from a Glock 32. Look at these two screencaps at the instance where he holds it while still in his disguise. Isn't this the subcompact model? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:32, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
[[File:B13 Glock 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:B13 Glock 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:I'm pretty sure now that it's a 33 the whole time, I checked other shots of the same scene. I added a couple of Full HD screencaps to the page; I'll replace the current low-res other ones later. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:11, 1 November 2015 (EST)

I agree the Glock shown here and on the page is a subcompact,but I'd be really surprised if the actual gun used is really a 33 chambered in .357 Sig, when a 9mm G26 will look and perform exactly the same and cause less logistical headaches for the armoroer. Also the Glock 18s look to me to be 17L longslides. Look especially at the righthand gun and note how the slide extends past the frame.As an aside, I think BRI used to use Glock 17Ls.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 23:45, 2 November 2015 (EST)

Talk:The Blacklist - Season 3

2015-10-05T14:36:10Z

Tecolote:

I do not think that Dembe has a Phantom, and the show gun you can see that the ejection port wraps all the way over the top of the slide and down the left side slightly, as opposed to the Phantom where it only extends about half way over the top. Also, it has different sights to the Phantom. If it was a CZ it looks more like a P-09 to me but I cant see it clearly enough to work out if it is this or not. Also, what makes you say that the S&W auto is a 4006 rather than a 5906 which I believe would be more common. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:24, 5 October 2015 (EDT)

I agree with the 5906 vs. 4006. From a logistics point of view for the armorer, it would be whole easier to have as few different types of blanks as possible.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 10:36, 5 October 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Furious 7

2015-09-21T18:51:05Z

Tecolote: /* Brian's Glock */

== 7.62 AR ID ==

[[File:Furious7 110.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]I'm fairly sure that this isn't a DRD as firstly there are some differences in the receiver, and secondly there is an "LMT" logo on the lower. I think it is an LM7MWS, but I do not know much about the LMT rifles (although I know it isn't the LM308MWS/LM7/L129A1) so might have the wrong model:[[File:LMT LM8MWS.jpg|thumb|500px|none|LMT LM8MWS - 7.62x51mm]][http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Lewis_Machine__Tool_LMT_LM8MWS_Tactical_AR-10_7.62x51mm_NATO_.308_Win._Upper_Receiver_SHOT_Show_2012_DefenseReview.com_DR_6.jpg Here] is a closeup of the left side of the receiver which seems to be a match. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:54, 3 November 2014 (EST)

== LMT launcher? ==

Please help ID. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:26, 3 November 2014 (EST)
[[File:Furious7 120.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Furious7 121.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:I think it's [http://www.lmtstore.com/m203/l2bpg.html this] with the pistol grip removed. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:52, 3 November 2014 (EST)

== Brian's Glock ==

[[File:Furious7 108.jpg|thumb|none|800px]]
It seems Brian's handgun is a Glock 19 - note how the bottom of the grip is not parallel to the slide.
--[[User:Gr3gory|Gr3gory]] ([[User talk:Gr3gory|talk]]) 14:06, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
: I agree about it being a G19 - In addition to the above note, the grip itself and and slide both seem a bit short for a G17. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:30, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
It's supposed to be a Glock 23. I'd link to the article titled Guns of Hollywood: The Firepower of "Furious 7" at Range365.com, but it doesn't seem to want to let me. “Paul transitioned from Sig 226s and Glock 22s to a S&W 1911 E-series for his carry piece, fitted with Crimson Trace’s excellent laser grips,” said DeLouche. “Though he also uses a Sig (taken from a bad guy), he carries a backup Glock 23 in a chest rig, and a Glock 18 in a drop-leg. For the final battle we see him prep an LMT custom AR .308, and an H&K MP5K."--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 11:44, 21 September 2015 (EDT)

I read that article also and all it did was raise some questions re the Glocks. Why mix calibers( .40 and 9mm) for the same actor in the same scene, and why use a holstered Full auto Glock 18 with a standard 17 round mag instead of the 33 round happy stick that will let viewers know " Ah hah, he's got a machine gun" ?
Other than shoving the tan Glock into his chest holster, there wasn't any real exposition of weapons prep for Walker. All that really.happened with his Glocks was the tan one got knocked out of his hands. Perhaps there is such footage that was deleted and the quotes in the article were made before editing was finished.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 14:51, 21 September 2015 (EDT)

==Weapons==
So I added the stuff I can remember. Couple things:
:1.Hobbs and Eleana use SiG P226s during the fight with Deckard, as does Ket on the bus, right?
:2.What were Frank Petty/"Mr. Nobody"'s men using? I know they were some heavily tricked-out AR-15 things, but any ideas?
:3. When Dekard party-crashes the Ab Dhubai heist, does he have a SG 552, SG 553, or the P556 carbine thing?
:4. Any idea what Kiet's team were using while fighting Brian in the finale?
:5. MAG 58 or M240 in the Land Rovers?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 18:03, 15 April 2015 (EDT)

::I'd say Deckard uses a SG 553-1 SP (image [[:File:SIG SG 553-1 SP.jpg|here]]), though I can't confirm it 100%. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:02, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

I might be wrong but it looked more like and XD was used by the rock, also does anyone have any idea what kurt russel uses in the shootout at shaw's hideout, i was thinking p230 but they're pretty hard to see so I can't be sure.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 00:45, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

Also what is the AR that brian uses during the same shootout?--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 00:46, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

I though Kurt Russel had PPKs, but SiG P230s are possible. Probably gona need to wait for the DVD to be sure--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 21:35, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

Hobbs was using a Springfield XD in the fight at the DSS Building--[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] ([[User talk:ZombieKiller|talk]]) 04:22, 11 July 2015 (EDT)

== Redirect Needed? ==

Could someone add a redirect to this page from "Fast & Furious 7"? That is the film's release title here in the UK. The other F&F film pages all have redirects from their international titles (e.g. ''Fast & Furious 6'' has a redirect from ''Furious 6'', its title in the UK) so I don't see why this one shouldn't follow suit. I'd do it myself but I honestly can't work out how to create a new page on here.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 06:08, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
:I created it, but in the future, all you have to do is type the title in the search box, and if it doesn't already exist, it'll show up as a red link and the page asks if you want to create the page. To do a redirect, type in <nowiki> #REDIRECT[[<destination>]]</nowiki>. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:53, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks! I know how to create redirects, I just couldn't figure out how to make a new page on which to put it; the wikis I usually edit simply have a create page button, but I couldn't find one here. Never mind anyway, noted for the future.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 09:00, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
:::If you click on one of the category tabs on the sidebar menu you will find a text field to fill in with a create page button. It doesn't actually matter which category you do this through so can just click any. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:13, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

==SIG SG 552-2==

The rifle that Stathem is holding in Dubai has an AR-15 magazine inserted so it can't be a 552 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:54, 1 August 2015 (EDT)
:Closest match that I can think of is a SIG556 SWAT SBR, but the handguard is different so it may have started off as something else which has been customised into a similar finished product. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:13, 2 August 2015 (EDT)

From the article titled Guns of Hollywood: The Firepower of "Furious 7" at Range365.com, a quote from prop master Guillaume DeLouche: “All of Jason Statham’s stuff was new and fun. It had to be very exotic and have a European terrorist flair, like those groups in the 80s his character would have hunted down, so we gave him an Accuracy International Sniper Rifle that we made into a takedown, a CZ Scorpion, an IMI Micro UZI, and a '''SIG 556 Commando''' with grenade launcher,” said DeLouche. “In his lair, as he prepares, you see an even more impressive array of weapons.” These include a Serbu Super Shorty, a SIG P228, an HK MP5 K, and a suppressed Ruger MKII."

== Deckard's SIG P226 ==

I can't tell if my eyes are playing tricks on me or if the P226 that Shaw uses is always a P226R? It appears to have a rail under the P226 section, but I can't tell for certain. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 18:50, 18 September 2015 (EDT)

[[File:Furious7_P226.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

:Although the rail's three spacing slots are not visible in this scene, this P226 apparently has a rail's sliding surface, so I think you're right. Also, I wonder what's the submachine gun carried by the operative choked by Dominc when meeting with Mr. Nobody for the first time; at first it seemed to me to be a Brügger & Thomet TP9, but apparently it isn't. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:27, 19 September 2015 (EDT)

Hi, I'm new here. I noticed that the submachine gun used by Mr. Nobody's operative wasn't on the page either, and I initially thought it was a Brugger & Thomet MP9, but now I'm not so sure.--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 09:02, 21 September 2015 (EDT)

== Brian's P226R & Others ==

I know that Brian uses a P226R, which the movie kind of makes look like he takes off of one of Tony Jaa's men in the bus. The other men on the bus that Brian shoots with his P226R look to be carrying Glock 19s or 17s (I'm leaning towards 19). The main page incorrectly states that Tony Jaa picks up Brian's P226R before the bus flips, but going frame by frame, it looks like he picks up the Glock the first guy Brian shoots was using. Also, there are no entries for any of the guns carried by the guards at Mando's estate. One looks like an AK or AR-15 variant, another looks to be an UZI, and another looks to be an AKM. There's also an unidentified shotgun used by at least one of Mr. Nobody's men during the factory raid. I also can't figure out the pistol Tony Jaa uses during the raid when he does a flip and shoots one of the operatives. The main page says that Jakande uses an AKMS, but I'm not sure if that's what he's using in the raid when he shoots Sheppard. Can anyone confirm? And if anyone has any info about the guns Brian and Tej use to fire the explosives that latch onto the bus, even if they are made for movie, please let me know! Thanks!--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 09:14, 21 September 2015 (EDT)

Talk:The Silencers

2015-09-12T00:12:26Z

Tecolote: /* More please */

==More please==
*Can someone please do the weapons wall, Matt's camera, what Daliah Lavi uses to knock off Nancy Kovack and Robert Phillip's shotgun? Thanks. Those who say ''Citizen Kane'' is the greatest film ever made haven't seen ''The Silencers''! [[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 17:44, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
[[File:Tina-Deliah Lavi.jpg ]]
:I started doing this film, so I have a bunch of caps. I distinctly remember the camera. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:05, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

That looks like it might be a Model 1908 Colt .25 with a tiny faux silencer,judging from the slide profile in the pic above. She was also holding a Savage M1907 in publicity stills(Lord, I getting old;I this movie when it first came out in the theater)The camera was a twin lens reflex,perhaps a Rolleiflex or Yashica that fired two knife blades from slots on either side of the lens assembly. --[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 20:12, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Last Stand at Saber River

2015-08-22T00:22:12Z

Tecolote: /* Civil War Rifle? */

== Civil War Rifle? ==

Billy Dancy ([[Rex Linn]]) a]]nd a few other characters are seen carrying an unidentified rifle. Please help ID. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 19:41, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
[[File:LSASR 107.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:LSASR 117.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:LSASR 134.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Blokhed comment - I'll try to get a screen capture of it some time, but I know my Western guns and I've never seen it before. It is probably a Civil War Era rifle.

Those are Hall breechloading carbines and they're originals introduced around the time of the Mexican War. Issued on both sides in the early days of the Civil War. Interesting to shoot.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 20:22, 21 August 2015 (EDT)

Talk:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015)

2015-08-16T02:34:52Z

Tecolote: /* Anachronistic rifle in new trailer */

__TOC__ 
==Mauser?!==
In the middle of screencapping the trailer and I can't quite identify this, looks like a heavily dressed up Mauser, but I can't be sure, any suggestions?
[[File:ManFrom-Custom.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 15:19, 13 February 2015 (GMT)
:When I saw the trailer, I assumed it was the famous U.N.C.L.E carbine, based on the P38. (You know, Megatron.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:31, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::And please crop the black bars from all screencaps and reupload. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:32, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Yeah, it seems obvious now, lol, thanks for the help, and I've gone ahead and altered the screencaps --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 15:51, 13 February 2015 (GMT)
:::OK, a few things. I don't think it's a sure thing that the movie carbine is built around the P38. Looking closely at the pistol it looks nothing like a P38, but more like a Mauser as you originally stated. Notice how Illya appears to be bracing his hand on something well forward of the trigger, which to me looks like the box magazine of a Mauser. There is some discussion at [https://www.facebook.com/pages/Man-From-Uncle-Gun/186395181410983 Man from Uncle Gun Facebook page] as to the identity of the base weapon, and one poster notes that it's probably not a P38 as there is no safety catch on the slide. This poster also says he is trying to contact Guy Ritchie's "people" to confirm what pistol was used for the carbine...we'll see if he gets a response.
:::Also the Walther is an MPK, the barrel is too short to be an MPL. Illya appears to be using a Makarov, a standard version in the car at the beginning of the trailer, and a suppressed version on the movie poster. Looking at some behind the scenes photos that were taken when this was being filmed, I believe the guns on the patrol boat are FN MAGS.
:::Since I found out this movie was in the works I've been trying to find out what firearms would be used. Unfortunately, most unofficial photos that I found of the production are so blurry positive identification is impossible. The only guns that I'm 100% sure about, which don't appear in the trailer, are Sterling smg's, used by UNCLE commandos. I also saw some kind of battle rifles held by some extras, either FAL or G3; and what appears to be a SIG P210 used by a henchman, but again, the photo quality was too poor to be sure. Of course none of these weapons can be added to the page as there are no official photos as of yet, but thought I would just mention them FYI.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 13:17, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::::I'll leave the Uncle custom as it is for now until we get a better look at it, but I'll change the MPL to a K as I've had a closer look and I agree. I haven't seen the low quality pictures you have, care to share them? I also noticed what looked like a Makarov on the seat of the car but it was a very brief glimpse and didn't preally think it was enough to properly identify it, but if you feel comfortable adding it then feel free too. I noticed a soldier with a rifle slung on his back as well that I straight away thought was an M1 Garand, but I can't make a 100% positive identification of it as we only really see the muzzle. Also was thinking of adding the pistol held by Illya on the poster, which I'm pretty sure is a Makarov with a custom suppressor, can anyone else confirm? --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 19:00, 13 February 2015 (GMT)
:::::Here's some of the photo's I've found:
:::::This looks like a [https://www.facebook.com/TheManfromUncleMovie/photos_stream?ref=page_internal#!/TheManfromUncleMovie/photos/pb.269730629769530.-2207520000.1423855552./538894039519853/?type=3&theater SIG P210]
:::::Guy on extreme left and Guy in center appear to have [https://www.facebook.com/TheManfromUncleMovie/photos/pb.269730629769530.-2207520000.1423855826./531418086934115/?type=3&theater FAL or G3] battle rifles. You will probably have to zoom into photo to see these.
:::::This appears to be [http://www.henrycavillnews.com/2013/11/exclusive-henry-cavill-films-boat-chase.html FN MAG] mounted on patrol boat. Again, you will have to zoom on photo.
:::::You can see from the quality of the photos why positive IDs are impossible. There are photos of the UNCLE commandos with Sterlings at a site named LaneyBoggs2001.tumbler.com, but I don't have time to find them now. I agree with you about the M1 Garand. There is also an M2 .50 cal mounted on the M41 tank.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 14:44, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::::::Yeah I think you're dead on about those ID's but best to wait for official stills before adding them to the page. Also added to the description of the U.N.C.L.E. Custom about the ambiguity of the specific pistol involved.--[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 20:29, 13 February 2015 (GMT)
:::::::[https://www.facebook.com/pages/Man-From-Uncle-Gun/186395181410983 Man from Uncle Gun Facebook page] now states that the gun used for the UNCLE carbine is a [[Walther_GSP|Walther GSP]]. Strange choice, since it is a target pistol. Besides that, it is anachronistic as the model in .32 wasn't even available until 1971. A Walther OSP could have been used instead, which was around during the timeframe of the movie. Considering this odd choice for the carbine, I'm guessing this is one of those situations where the script calls for a totally fictional weapon invented by UNCLE, forcing the armorer to use the best possible option as a base weapon. I'd compare it to the use of the Mauser C96 in [[Sherlock_Holmes:_A_Game_of_Shadows#Mauser_C96|Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows]]. The script called for a Moriarty-designed clip-fed automatic pistol, so the best option was probably to use a Mauser, even if in reality it hadn't been invented at that time, rather than build a prop from the ground up.
:::::::I mentioned that in the film the UNCLE commandos use Sterlings, and here's photo that I found a while back: [https://hmssweblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/uncle2ndunit.jpg UNCLE Commandos Sterling SMG]. This isn't from the same group of photos I mentioned before, in which the Sterlings were clearly seen, but by zooming in it's obvious what kind of SMG is being used.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 12:32, 17 February 2015 (EST)

The Man From Uncle Gun Facebook page has some photos of the gun, both disassembled, and assembled: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Man-From-Uncle-Gun/186395181410983 --[[User:Krel|Krel]] ([[User talk:Krel|talk]]) 21:47, 3 August 2015 (EDT)

==Game==
Looks like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvHTOUZugs0 the game coming out tomorrow] is going to have the pistol in it (which seems to be fully automatic). Seeing as it's free-to-play, there'll probably be a good side picture of the gun in some type of store menu.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 22:45, 11 July 2015 (EDT)
:I just played it, it's terrible, also no real good look at the pistol. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 16:06, 12 July 2015 (GMT)

::I didn't have to play it to know that. :)

::But I'm kind of disappointed there's no good shot of the pistol. Oh well.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 16:27, 13 July 2015 (EDT)

==Anachronistic rifle in new trailer==
I watched the final trailer for MFU and spotted a guard using what appears to be a Sig 542. This rifle is anachronistic for the time period as it wasn't produced until 1973. I realize this movie had a limited budget, but it seems hard to believe that the armorer couldn't source a more period correct rifle, such as a FAL, G3, or even a Cetme. It seems a given that these period films will contain some kind of anachronism, be it songs, costumes, guns, or cars. I read on IMCDB that the Trabant Iylla is driving is actually a 1980's model!- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:21, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
:Which trailer are you referring to? And do we know what year this movie takes place in? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 08:02, 4 August 2015 (EDT)
::The trailer I was talking about is [http://youtu.be/lpETehz1mVQ here]. The SIG appears around :44.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:14, 5 August 2015 (EDT)
::The movie takes place in the early 1960's, the specific year has yet to be stated. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 16:45, 04 August 2015 (GMT)

At least one of the trailers has the date 1963 and clips of Kennedy and Khruschev,however the fashions, particularly of the women is of the latter half of the 60s, so I don't think strict period correctness is a big part of the movie. I agree the rifle in questoes looks like a Sig 542,at least on my iphone.According to IMDB, at least two commandos are referred to as "SBS" so one would expect FALs and Sterlings(which are in the movie), which a British armourer ought to have plenty of. We'll find out in a week or so...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 14:04, 4 August 2015 (EDT)
::I read an interview with the costume designer for the movie and she said Richie told her didn't have to be accurate to the 1963 timeline, the clothes just needed to be stylish, so she went with fashions from '66, '67, '68 period. So it's true period accuracy isn't a big priority for Richie. As far as the guns, though, there seems to be an effort to use weapons that existed in 1963, so why randomly throw in a rifle that didn't exist at all? I assume it had to do with budget limitations and what was on hand. I should note that one of the armorers for this movie is Joss Skottowe, who worked on some Bond films, including Quantum of Solace, which featured some SIG 542 rifles. Perhaps the rifle in MFU is one that was used in QOS? I think did spot a L1A1 in the background of one of the scenes, in the hands of a sailor on the aircraft carrier.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:21, 5 August 2015 (EDT)

Saw the movie yesterday and enjoyed it alot. The raid is carried by SBS commandos, and except for the above mentioned SIG, it's all Sterlings vs. Walther MPKs. Kuryakin does carry the "UNCLE" carbine,although there is no exposition about it;he just has it, while Solo uses a Sterling. Both he and Solo carry Browning HPs in anachronistic Eagle-style dropleg holsters. The Brownings are period correct T series or earlier models,at least in closeup. the raid is shown in "multi-screen format", so it's hard to ID everything, particularly whatever suppressed item the SBS sniper used as the Zodiacs were closing in.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:34, 15 August 2015 (EDT)

Talk:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015)

2015-08-04T18:04:25Z

Tecolote: /* Anachronistic rifle in new trailer */

Talk:The Final Option

2015-06-17T02:02:43Z

Tecolote: /* MP5s */

=Discussion=
==MP5s==
It would appear that this film is the first appearance of the MP5 in media, at least according to the MP5 page here. Do you think it's the first appearance of the MP5 in media, period? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:12, 27 April 2012 (CDT)
:Not necessarily MP5 related but the only thing that has ever bugged me about the movie is the fire discipline among the raiders. In at least two cases in the movies the raiders fire multi-second bursts instead of the usual short (three round) burst. In one scene in particular it looks like the raiders are hosing down the room packed with hostages. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:16, 28 April 2012 (CDT)
::And from the hip, no less. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:23, 29 April 2012 (CDT)

Actually,the long short bursts have some basis in fact;some of the authorities were upset with what they considered to be too many shots in the deceased terrorists in the Iranian embassy. Also both curved and straight mags were used in the troopers' MP5s as the former were rather new at the time. There is a very good photo of SAS troopers heading into the Embassy which shows this;one trooper with a Maglite mounted MP5 has the straight type while the one in front of him has a curved version and the 20 round magazine in his Browning Hi Power.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:02, 16 June 2015 (EDT)

==Production Notes==
Firstly, well done for adding this film. This film gets a lot of criticism from people who don't know how the SAS conducts CRW operations, little do they know the SAS had advised the makers of the film. Other than the 2 troopers hanging from the helicopter with grenade launchers, everything else was how the SAS did these operations in the early 1980's. The SAS even participated in the film, it was them that abseiled from the helicopters in the finale according to Ian Sharp and Euan Lloyd.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 14:11, 27 April 2012 (CDT)
::I agree. I remember this move was ''very'' controversial when it came out.Especially because it showed the anti-nuke movement (i.e. anti - United States) that was popular in Western Europe in the early eighties as being a dupe of the Soviet Union. I recall theaters refusing to show it, protests outside of theaters that did and so on. Made me want to see it even more. LOL. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:23, 27 April 2012 (CDT)
:::Thank you for all the help. After watching this film, I can't believe no one else had done it before me. I'm an American, and even I thought they were being a little too hard on Labour, especially in the end. I was very confused by why they were playing "O Christmas Tree" in the end, it wasn't until later that I found it it was also the Labour party anthem. The film plods along for much of the running time, but the raid itself it spectacular. The only thing that bothered me was how much these SAS guys were firing from the hip. Do they actually do that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:01, 27 April 2012 (CDT)
:No. I have photos showing GSG 9, GIGN, SAS and Gruppo di Intervento Speciale doing firearms/hard entry training from the late seventies. All the different members were using two hands for their pistols/revolvers and putting their SMG's/rifles/shotguns up to their shoulders. Just call it poetic license. And that type of "shooting" was portrayed more often in the seventies than it is now. You're right the movie does plod until the end. Not a great movie, but it sure did scare some people when it came out. All the attention backfired though. The movie did better at the boxoffice than many folks probably counted on. Nothing like forbidden fruit.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:17, 27 April 2012 (CDT)
::The demands that the terrorists made, however, were so ludicrous, I couldn't believe Edward Woodward's character could give such a deadpan reply. Richard Widmark didn't have much to do in the film, but his attempts at reasoning with the terrorists were hilarious. I think the ridiculous demands did detract from the seriousness of the film though. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:55, 27 April 2012 (CDT)
::Thats the job of the negotiator, he's there to appease the terrorist(s) and slowly wear them down. Although its the Labour Party anthem i thought the tune was played to highlight the communist influence in terrorism during that time, as the words of the chorus say "keep the red flag flying".
:::Oh, I don't doubt it. They also dropped in the Nazi appeasement reference in the end. (Very random appearance by [[Paul Freeman]], BTW.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:23, 29 April 2012 (CDT)

::Also anyone notice how many characters were called Andy?..... 1st was Lt. Andrew Wilcox, the SAS man killed by the crossbow at the beginning. 2nd was Andy Ryan, Skellen's contact (in the novel he's also ex-SAS). 3rd and final was Major Andy Steele, Skellen's squadron commander.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 18:37, 28 April 2012 (CDT)
:::I don't know if they ever revealed that much about names. Heck, I didn't even know that Major Steele's name until I looked on IMDb. I just knew him as "That guy who played Colonel Munro in ''Last of the Mohicans'' who somehow looks exactly the same." --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:23, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
::::Its in the scene were Hagen and Freund assault the railway carriage, Col. Hadley arrives and asks Steele "Who's up next Andy?". There was a story about him suing the makers of the film because the helo's he rode in flew too high!! FFS he's in a film about the SAS playing an SAS squadron commander and expects the helo's to hover 20 feet off the ground. Probably why he never stared in anything until Mohicans.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 18:19, 8 May 2012 (CDT)

='''Unknowns'''=
==Unknown Grenade Launcher==
Two SAS troopers suspected from a helicopter fire grenades from an unknown grenade launcher.
[[Image:FinalOption_GL_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|It may look a little silly, but they swing straight into the building right after blowing out the windows with the grenade launcher.]]

[[Federal Gas Riot Gun]]?
[[File:Federal M201-Z Riot Gun.JPG|thumb|500px|none|Federal M201-Z - 37mm. Upgrade from the L-5, the M201Z has a secondary ladder sight behind the latch and the barrel is ringed for a sling swivel. The L-5 has a plain smooth barrel.]]

:I guess. You don't really get any better shots of it in the film. (Believe me, I know, I've watched the raid like five times already. It's amazing.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:04, 27 April 2012 (CDT)

==Unknown grenade==
The SAS troopers have an unknown grenade on their webbing.
[[Image:FinalOption_grenade_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Thats a dummy grenade, used for practice as it has the weight to go through glass windows. Its not specifically any type such as stun. smoke or frag.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:45, 29 April 2012 (CDT)

Specifically, it is a Schermuly Training Grenade:
[[File:Schermuly Training Grenade.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Schermuly Training Grenade]]
The body of the grenade is plastic with an open bottom with the interior filled with a paper wrapped pyrotechnic charge. Once the lever was released there was a two second delay before this charge was propelled out the base of the grenade and exploded about half a second later. Although, as the name implies, it was originally intended as a training grenade it was found it could also be used as a stun grenade so its appearance on an SAS troopers webbing, particularly in the early 80s, is legitimate. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:41, 29 April 2012 (CDT)

:Thank you both, I'll put it in. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:23, 29 April 2012 (CDT)

==Unknown smoke grenade==
The SAS troopers have an unknown smoke grenade on their webbin.
[[Image:FinalOption_smoke_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Looks like a mock up of an 1980's "Flash Bang" Stun Grenade.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:47, 29 April 2012 (CDT)

Not a smoke grenade? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:23, 29 April 2012 (CDT)

I think it is meant to be a smoke grenade, it doesn't look anything like the stun grenades that the SAS used in the 80s. I think the first generation of stun grenades, such as the L13A1 made by Haley & Wellerm, had a metal top with the rest of the "tube" being made of black rubber, which [http://www.paul-spence1964.com/L13A1.html allowed the flash to "burst" through]. I think these early stun grenade also contained a small small amount of CS to add to the general disorenting effect. On the grenade shown here I don't recognise the markings but the shape of it looks like the L1A3 CS grenade or L60 series smoke grenades. --[[User:commando552|commando552]]
:Thats why i said i thought it was a mock up "Flash Bang". No CS Gas is used in the film just stun grenades but that doesn't mean they wouldn't carry them, then again the stun grenades in the film just make a loud bang and a little smoke and bright flash of light. If we're putting in what these actually are then its got to be a "smoke grenade possibly standing in for a L13A1 'Flash Bang' stun grenade".--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 18:43, 1 May 2012 (CDT)
::I just watched the film, and I don't think they were standing in for stun grenades as when they use stun grenades they seem to correctly use the Schermuly grenades. This can be seen when the german and American guys practice the assault on the train, where they each have one of each type before the excercise, but after they have used a flashbang one of the guys doesn't have a Schermuly anymore. Also, when they are actually used (although never seen particularly clearly) they seem to be a dark rounded grenade rather than a light tubular grenade. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:22, 14 May 2012 (CDT)

==Unknown crossbow==
I don't even know if it's really a crossbow. The cops refer to it as a crossbow. It's used by the terrorists to kill a police informant.
[[Image:FinalOption_crossbow_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:FinalOption_crossbow_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:FinalOption_crossbow_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== IMDB trivia ==

"When the movie's grand action sequence, the storming of the embassy by SAS troopers, to be played by movie stuntmen, was about to be filmed, the real-life SAS soldiers offered to do the sequence for the production, not requiring the use of stuntmen. For director Ian Sharp, it was an offer he simply couldn't refuse, as this level of authenticity couldn't be achieved by acting stuntmen, no matter how well trained." That can't be true, can it? And how far did it go? Just the scenes where they blew open the door and crash through windows or did they clear the rooms as well? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:59, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Talk:The Professionals (TV Series)

2015-06-14T09:36:37Z

Tecolote: /* Browning Hi Powers */ new section

I just started watching the first series, and I added the the guns that I've seen so far that weren't already on the list.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 03:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

:Is the whole series available on DVD yet? I've seen a few clips of this show before and thought it looked interesting. Of course, we don't get it here in the States. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

::I'm actually in the States! I'm able to watch it as I have a region-free DVD player with PAL/NTSC converter. The whole series is available as a box set on Amazon UK, which is where I bought it. I was able to get it for under 50 bucks by using a special link on the Professionals Forum page, which allows you to purchase the set for a huge discount. It's quite a deal. The only problem is I don't really have the ability to screencap this page. I'm hoping there is another IMFDB member that will be able to do it.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 22:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Most DVD players that come standard on PCs will play DVDs from any region. I am responsible for screencapping the ''[[Ultimate Force]]'' page, and I did that on my laptop even though the DVDs were Region 2. Point is, you really should see if you can play the DVDs on your computer if you haven't tried already. Once you know, there's a whole bunch of free media players you can use that will take screencaps easily.

:::I might at some point order this show myself, but that's unlikely to happen any time soon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

:::: Well, I'll be damned..the DVDs work on my PC. Probably will be quite a while before I get around to doing any screencaps, though.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::Fair enough. Whenever you want to, though, please feel free to consult with me for advice on media players to use, format of screencaps, etc. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Doesn't Windows Media Player, that comes loaded on my PC, have a screencap function? I haven't tried it, but it's my understanding that it does.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 22:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::::Eh, beats me. I haven't used it in ages. I prefer VLC Media Player, but whatever works for you is fine. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

==Photo of M-3 Carbine removed==
I removed the M-3 photo as it really doesn't resemble the carbine in the show at all. I'm pretty sure that it's simply a modified M-1, so a picture of that would be more appropriate.

That's understandable. I haven't seen that episode (I only saw a seven or eight when I lived in Europe in the 90's)but I couldn't help myself. It's such a freakish looking thing. [[User: Jcordell|Jcordell]]

== Screencaps ==

I like the screencaps. They add a lot the the site. Keep it up. I especially like the wide ties and long hair. Very stylish. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]
:Glad you're enjoying the screencaps. As for the fashion and hair..gotta love the 70's(and early 80's)! Actually, "The Professionals" is quite a good show, with some really well-written episodes and great action scenes. I'd say it's aged better than a lot of American shows that were made around the same time.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 03:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes. though I still like Miami Vice I have to admit that it hasn't aged well and it was on several years after The Professionals. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

::This page is getting really complete and a sight to behold. It's just incredible to me how much cool stuff they were able to get on this show. If I were alive in the late-70s/early-80s (I was born two years after this show ended), I imagine I would've been ecstatic to watch a program which featured the latest weaponry on a regular basis. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Enfield Photo ==
Jcordell, thanks for the Enfield revolver photo, it looks good!--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 03:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure not a problem. I'm very fond of the Webleys and Enfield revolvers. Own a Webley Mk VI and just came across an Enfield at a local shop which I've put on layaway. I'm always looking for them. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

== Colt Commander ==

Good catch on the Colt pistol. I didn't notice the length of the slide before, and there never is a good shot of the pistol's hammer during the episode. I looked at the episode again and there is about one frame where I can get a good look at the hammer, and it does appear to be a Colt Commander.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 02:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Spy Probe ==

Have you identified the weapon used by Doyle in Spy Probe to shoot the dummies? Dave Matthew's site has it as a Colt Python, possibly a S&W 29. I think it's a S&W but am unsure of the exact model.

== Nickel Model 29 or Model 629? ==

Here's a couple screens from "Spy Probe":

[[Image:prosm29.5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

[[Image:prosm29.6.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

Is this a Model 29 with a nickel finish or is it a stainless Model 629? I'm guessing Model 629, but I'm not sure. This episode was filmed in 1981, so the 629 would have been in production at that time.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 22:31, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Hard to say. Ike you pointed out the 629 was introduced in 1978 and it was made with both a high gloss Stainless steel finish as well as a satin stainless finish. Depending on the light and the angle of view etc the high gloss stainless can look like nickel. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Bit of trivia, Martin Shaw actually uses the ejector rod to dump the shells out of it, which is rare for an actor. [[User:TheHeartbreakKid15|TheHeartbreakKid15]] 18:01, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Chrome M1911 ==

I watched an episode this morning (''The Ojuka Situation'') the character of Colonel Ojuka is seen shooting two assasins with what seems to be either a M1911 or M1911A1 finished in chrome, but when Major Cowley examines it he describes it as a Remington .455 calibre. Does anyone know more about this gun?--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::There were 1911s made in the British .455 auto round, but they were all made by Colt, not Remington. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Tommy's Rifle Grenade ==

Has anyone got more information on the rifle grenade fired from an FN/Fal by CI5 agent Tommy Mackay (John Castle) in the 1st season episode "Heroes"?
:I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it is supposed to be an ENERGA anti-tank rifle grenade, which can be seen here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENERGA_anti-tank_rifle_grenade]--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 19:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Does anyone think there should be a trivia section? I don't know if fellow users know that Lewis Collins (Bodie) was a member of the Parachute Regiment(T) and even passed selection for the SAS but was declined due to his fame.
:It was the territorial SAS not the regular Army SAS, but that is quite interesting. Apparently he is an avid sports shooter in both rifles and pistols. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:46, 1 December 2011 (CST)

==Remember to list the guest actors==
Just a reminder to list the names of the guest actors for your screencaps. Some are missing. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:56, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

== Browning Hi Powers ==

Both Inglis and FN Hi Powers are used, the latter best identified by their external extractors.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 05:36, 14 June 2015 (EDT)

Talk:True Detective - Season 2

2015-06-14T05:58:48Z

Tecolote: /* CZ 52 */

==Behind the scenes images==
Not sure if these are legit images or taken by spectators, (judging by some of the angles I'm inclined to go with the latter), so I'll just link to them for now, but these images show the weapons listed on the page without images.
 [http://i.imgur.com/ZLO3L5o.jpg| Smith & Wesson 4006]
 [http://i.imgur.com/HA1eKSI.jpg| SIG-Sauer P226 Beavertail]
 [http://i.imgur.com/1ASt2oo.jpg| Browning Hi-Power]
 --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 22:00, 17 April 2015 (GMT)

==CZ 52==
Is it just me or does the CZ 52, look more like a Browning HP? --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 00:47, 14 June 2015 (GMT)
I'm in agreement with you; that is a BHP.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:58, 14 June 2015 (EDT)

Talk:From Russia with Love

2015-05-25T03:43:36Z

Tecolote: /* Discussion */

[[Image:Frwl-poster.jpg|thumb|none|300px|DVD cover for ''From Russia With Love'' (1963)]]
=Please help ID=
== Unidentified Pistol ==
The police officer ([[Bedri Çavusoglu]]) who helps Tatiana find the way to Klebb's office carries this gun.
[[File:Frwlofficer1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:Frwlofficer2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Unidentified Rifle==
This weapon can be seen in the training facility.
[[File:Liebesgrüßeausmoskaugewehr.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The rifle resting at the bottom can be seen when Klebb, Morzeny and Rhoda walk by.]]

=Discussion=
Why the hell are so many .25's used? When you shoot someone you want to kill or injure them, not midly annoy them-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

:A .25 caliber bullet is not a .44 magnum, but its still a piece of metal flying at a huge speed at someone. If you'd gotten shot with a .25, im sure that you'd change your tone. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 02:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

there small and considerable perfect for spys. also back them I think most of the common caliber were the small ones

Any idea on the gun Bond and Kerim take off of Benz on the train?

As many times as I've watched this movie since it came out in 1963,
Benz's gun has always ''seemed'' to be a Colt Detective Special.

Regards,

Tecolote

The gun Krilenco uses during the gypsy camp shootout looks like a Smith & Wesson Model 10, and I also saw a small breaktop revolver that could be a Webley Mk IV Pocket model. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 20:21, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Every time I see that shootout, I see so many guns that arn't on the page --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 22:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

When Ali Bey fired his ppk at the gun fight, even after the gun was empty, it still made the sound. Continuity Error?

It's a editorial decision. There's a lot of films where the gun is seen to be either jammed or empty, but the actor continues to be seen firing. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:31, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. Watch how many guns are firing without sound as Krilencu's men retreat through the gate at the end of the gunfight.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 23:43, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

The Thompson isn't an M1928 as it doesn't have the compensator. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 11:19 5 May 2012 (GMT)

== Is the Sten really a Sten? ==
For me it looks more like a Schmeisser MP or a Lanchester ? --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 14:01, 13 February 2013 (EST)
:It looks like it might have a bayonet lug like the Lanchester. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:15, 13 February 2013 (EST)
:: I think it is a Lanchester, sorry for crappy iPhone pic.
:: [[File:FromRusssiawithloveSPECTRE-LOW.jpg|200px|thumb|left|]] --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 15:15, 13 February 2013 (EST)
:::Oh definitely. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:37, 13 February 2013 (EST)
The Lanchester is also on the boat in which Bond and Tania make their escape. It's never used,only glimpsed briefly.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 23:43, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Sherlock

2015-05-19T04:36:36Z

Tecolote: /* Glock shot in S02E03 */

I think that small-caliber pistol is a Bernardelli model 60, can anyone confirm that? -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 17:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:The safety switch is different. It's not a [[Bernardelli Model 60|Model 60]].--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

::Well, I'm stuck could it be some sort of custom safety, because I searched far and wide for an Italian made handgun that looked like the pistol in the series and only the Bernardelli Model 60 en the MOD. USA look remotely like it. Maybe it's some Italian clone? -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 18:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:::The barrel and slide are also too short for it to be a Model 60. And I'm not sure what you mean by it being an "Italian Clone". An Italian clone of what? Bernardelli is already an Italian company. It might be either a fake gun or a really obscure model. Either way, we'll probably just have to hope that someone recognizes it.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

: My guess is that it's a "non-gun". --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I think I found it, it's a blank firing 8mm Italian made Walther ppk: [http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Starter-Guns/Italian-Made-walther-ppk-gun-for-sale-gs17264.aspx] -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 16:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Yahtzee! A "Bruni/BBM ME-8 Police". Good work. Apparently one is also used in [[Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels]].--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you, it seems that what I lack in gun knowledge I make up in google skills :P -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 17:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I found a pic that was listed as free to distribute with citation, and added it to the PPK talk page. That way if it pops up again somewhere else we'll have a listing for it.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Is it me or is Watsons Afghanistan flashbacks from Ross Kemp's documentary, or do all reporters there wear blue and carry a red backpack, cause our reporters always wear army vests and helmets, the few times they appear in front of the camera (although that is probably due to the fact that they can't afford to buy one themselves lol) ? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:08, 29 December 2013 (EST)--[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:08, 29 December 2013 (EST)
:Reporters wear all sorts of things depending on the situation. I think the way it tends to work is that if they are embedded or there for a long time they will tend to have their own privately purchased vest like the one Ross Kemp wore (this one seems quite popular for British journalists, don't know who makes it though). However if they are just visiting I think they will be lent one so you can also seem them wearing camo Ospreys (there is also a journo version of the Osprey in light blue but haven't seen much of that) or occasionally still EBAs depending on where they are. I have also seen them wearing the Navy Blue CBA/EBAs that are used by the Navy and some police. Visiting VIP's will be leant whatever vest is the most modern at the time to look as good as possible, like they would always be pictured wearing the Mk IV Osprey when most people were still wearing the Mk II or III. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:44, 29 December 2013 (EST)

== SIG Sauer P226 ==

That's not actually a stainless model, even though it is marked as stainless. To me it looks like a Tokyo Marui SIG Sauer P226 (airsoft pistol), that's how the Marui P226 is marked. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:58, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

== Hounds of the Baskerville ==

Did anybody catch the weapons the MPs are using, they have the pictograms of the HK series, maybe G36? --[[User:Robm89|Robm89]] 21:11, 18 January 2012 (DST)

:I'm going to be going through the 2nd season over the next week so that I can restore this page to proper formatting (you know, with actual screencaps instead of nothing but text). Just wait a bit.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 15:55, 18 January 2012 (CST)
::They used a mix of G36Cs and L85s (didn't catch the charging handle to know if A1 or A2), I seem to remember the gate guards had the G36s, wheras the ones on the rooftops had L85s. I think there are a few other new guns as well, such as the MP5s used by the armed police in ep 3. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:17, 18 January 2012 (CST)
:::I'm sorry if this is off topic, but I have to ask why do some many British TV shows incorporate the G36 and it's variants as an erroneous go-to gun for British military? HK weapons in general seem to be a lot more present on the British serials then L85s.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 14:42, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Because relatively cheap airsoft G36Cs are easier to come by. Particularly in a role where the gun is not going to be fired using an airsoft gun or replica is the norm due to the restrictive firearms laws in the UK. In terms of blank firing guns, SA80 weapons are relatively hard to come by owing to the fact that they are pretty much exclusively used by British armed forces meaning that there are not as many blank adapted weapons as for other more common firearms. As to why G36Cs are commonly used in British TV, I don't really know a concrete answer, but there are a few things to bear in mind. Firstly, it looks "cool". Secondly, it is a relatively practical firearm to film with as it is ambidextrous, short barrelled and has a folding stock. Thirdly, it is pretty recognizable to the British public (even if they can't name it) owing to the fact that it is one of the most common weapons carried by British armed police. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:53, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::Ah, thanks for clearing that out for me. Admittedly, G36C is an easily recognizable rifle and I imagine that is even more so for the British public. Not to mention the inherent 'brand value' of H&K products. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 07:47, 5 November 2012 (EST)

== "STI Edge" ==

I would just like to point out the alleged STI Edge is in fact yet another Tokyo Marui Hi-Capa 4.3. The BBC seems to be using these a lot right now. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:18, 18 January 2012 (CST)
:...except it's a ''cigarette lighter''.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:45, 18 January 2012 (CST)
::I'm talking about the base prop.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:46, 18 January 2012 (CST)

Is the fact that it turns out to be a cigarette lighter a reference to [[Harry Brown]]? The movie was only one year before the first season of this TV series--the movie also features a gun used to smoke a drug that turns out to be nonfunctional when it's used in earnest, kind of like how the first episode features a nonfunctional gun that's actually used for smoking. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:53, 18 July 2012 (CDT)
:I seriously doubt it; novelty cigarette lighters designed to look like guns have been around for decades.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] ([[User talk:PistolJunkie|talk]]) 19:48, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

== Glock shot in S02E03 ==

According to Youtube commentators, Sherlock re-sets the safety before pointing his stolen Glock at John's head. Can anyone confirm this? How do you re-set the safety on a Glock?--[[User:Crouchbk|Crouchbk]] ([[User talk:Crouchbk|talk]]) 20:49, 15 December 2013 (EST)
[[Image:Sherlocks2e3glock2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:Since when do Youtube commentators have ANYTHING useful to contribute to ANY discussion? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)
::Let me make this easy for you; if you have even the ''slightest'' idea how a Glock functions, '''''that claim makes no sense'''''.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] ([[User talk:PistolJunkie|talk]]) 21:03, 15 December 2013 (EST)
:::That's what I thought; there's no hammer, and no safety catch, just the secondary trigger inside the primary, correct?--[[User:Crouchbk|Crouchbk]] ([[User talk:Crouchbk|talk]]) 22:50, 15 December 2013 (EST)
You don't "reset the safety" on a Glock, but the sound effects editor or foley artist might :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:36, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

Talk:The Naked City (1948)

2015-04-28T03:22:54Z

Tecolote:

I always liked this film due to how much it contrasts to modern portrayals of the NYPD that I'm so accustomed to. The men wore hats, the cops were super Irish, no one had ever heard of Miranda rights or doctor-patient privilege, and parents can openly discuss the merits of whipping their children. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:15, 3 January 2012 (CST)

==The little things==
I'm fascinated by the little things.
[[Image:NC_CP_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A shot of Halloran's shoulder holster. You'd think he'd go for a Detective Special.]]
[[Image:NC_belt_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In addition to this shoulder holster, apparently plainclothes detectives used to wear special belts for just their ammo and handcuffs instead of wearing them on their regular belts today. (And you'd think someone would've invented the speedloader about two minutes after inventing the swing-out cylinder.) Halloran takes his off a few seconds later.]]
[[Image:NC_unload_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Halloran can be seen unloading his service revolver once he's off duty. I guess that makes sense, but I've just never seen it before. (The outfit that Halloran's wife is wearing is a lot skimpier than I expected as well for 1948. She's not going to the beach, that's for around the house.]]
[[Image:NC_belt_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Halloran straps his equipment back on after being called back on duty. The ammo belt seems rather conspicuous.]]

== banker's special? ==
I've always thought that the gun that Garza carries in his back pocket is smaller than a detective special. May be it is a Banker's special?

I'm positive(pun intended) that the Colts are Police Positive Specials,not OPs. The PPS has a simple oval shaped to the trigger guard,while that to the OP dips right over the trigger,giving it a sort of kidney bean shape. while that's hard to see in the provided stills, the cylinder flutes on the PPS are longer than those of the OP:note the shot of Muldoon yelling to Garza. With these vintage movies it's tricky to guess te model based on size as the average person was smaller than the avarage today, thus a PPS will look bigger. The 5 inch barrel,BTW, was alot more common then, and Mrs. Halloran's outfit style show up in alot of vintage photos.
--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 23:22, 27 April 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Spectre

2015-03-01T04:43:38Z

Tecolote:

==Already?!==
Isn't it a bit early to have this page up, to my knowledge no official images from the set have been shown so we have no clue what weapons will be included, until closer to the release --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 02:41, 01 February 2015 (GMT)
: I agree, if there are no actual (and legitimate) firearm-showing images that can be posted, making a page is premature and unnecessary. I'm quite sure the admins will concur. I've marked the page for deletion - IF there are images that just haven't been put up yet, I'll take the <nowiki>{{nuke}}</nowiki> tag off, but if not, well I think deletion is appropriate, as save for the poster image (which I'm sure will be archived here), there's pretty much nothing on it anyway. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:00, 31 January 2015 (EST)

Sorry for being an uber noob but what is the proper way to post a reply? I sincerely apologize for making a mess of things today. Anyway, there are indeed images of Daniel Craig wielding what appears to be a Walther P99 which is why I decided to create the page. Here is an image: http://www.jamesbondbrasil.com/wp-content/gallery/sp_aus_150115/jbbr_spectre_obertilliach_150115_foto_daniel_raunig_003.jpg [[User:Andrewj28|Andrewj28]]
::And we're not allowed to use unauthorized behind-the-scenes photos. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:37, 31 January 2015 (EST)
:There was no content on the page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:36, 31 January 2015 (EST)
::On a side note tho, I'm glad they're going back to the P99, the regression way back to the PPK in the last film seemed odd to me --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 04:19, 01 February 2015 (GMT)
: What makes an image authorized or unauthorized? --[[User:Andrewj28|Andrewj28]]
::If it's an officially released behind-the-scenes photo, like on an official website, then it's fine. If it's some extra on set taking photos on his phone, then it's not. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 02:49, 1 February 2015 (EST)
:::[http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi3875712537/ This] would be authorized. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:08, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::A promotional image was released today, alongside a BTS video, of Craig holding a Heckler & Koch VP9. Looks like SPECTRE is going to be the first film to feature the VP9. By the way, in the video, as Craig fires the VP9, it looks like the slide isn't moving, even though the gun still emits a muzzle flash. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 08:45, 12 February 2015 (EST)
[[Image:SPECTREPromoVP9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A promotional still of [[Daniel Craig]] holding a Heckler & Koch VP9 as James Bond in ''SPECTRE''.]]
:::::Because it's directly after disarming a bad guy in the sequence it could be a stunt prop like the old flash paper guns. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 07:48, 13 February 2015 (EST)

An image in the latest issue of Empire magazine features a photo of Mr. Hinx pointing what appears to be a AF2011 Dueller Prismatic. Can anyone else verify? [http://i.imgur.com/KWyIRJY.jpg/ Here] is a shot from the magazine. [http://i.imgur.com/OIIjrG8.jpg/ Here] is the image isolated. [[User:Andrewj28|Andrewj28]] ([[User talk:Andrewj28|talk]]) 03:27, 26 February 2015 (EST)
:I'm pretty sure it is; similar rear sight, barrels and the side rails. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:02, 26 February 2015 (EST)
::Wow, I never expected to see one of those in a movie. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:20, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Hi guys, It's been a really long time since my last contribution, here I've uploaded for you a couple pictures :-)
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Bautista_Spectre_AF2011-A1.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:AF2011-A1.jpg

I'll leave to you the honor of putting them in the article :-) --[[User:Purifier|Purifier]]
:Thanks for the images, added them to the page. On a side note, what a god awful monstrosity! --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 18:27, 26 February 2015 (GMT)
::For the times when you just can't have two separate pistols :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 14:10, 26 February 2015 (EST)
Two new screenshots from today's video blog. Another shot of the [http://i.imgur.com/yHuPyKd.jpg/ AF2011] and Bond with a [http://i.imgur.com/Nmik1qt.jpg/ PPK or PPK/S] [[User:Andrewj28|Andrewj28]] ([[User talk:Andrewj28|talk]]) 16:25, 26 February 2015 (EST)

==PPK==
For crying out loud, enough with the PPK already! --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 16:39, 26 February 2015 (EST)
:The 007 connection is arguably the only reason why the PPK is still in production, right? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:47, 26 February 2015 (EST)

::Agreed, never seen the PPK as more than a backup weapon, they started to go in the right direction with the P99 in Tomorrow Never Dies onwards, and even more in the right direction by having him carry a Sig Quantum of Solace, even if it was one he captured and not actually issued to him, would like to see them leave the PPK behind and issue him with a Sig permanently. I honestly think they won't do it because all the fans of "Classic Bond" will have a god damn conniption fit that things are changing, and cry that they will boycott the films until the PPK makes a return. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 22:20, 26 February 2015 (GMT)
:::The man's still a secret agent, and he has to carry something that won't print while wearing a tailored suit. That said, I'm surprised Walther hasn't pushed the PPS on the franchise yet. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:42, 26 February 2015 (EST)
::::Yeah in situations like going under cover in a party I can understand it, but there have been time he has gone into full engagements with the PPK, which isn't exactly the best idea. - [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 00:58, 27 February 2015 (GMT)
:::::Do we beat up on 007's horrible choice of weapons every time a new Bond film comes out, or did it just start with Skyfall? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 20:22, 26 February 2015 (EST)
::::::I normally like to have a little moan before every release, but this is my first one on this website, usually it's just me and my friends, good times - [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 03:17, 27 February 2015 (GMT)
While I don't mind a little change for a good reason, change for the sake of change is hardly a good thing. And for me, that was all the switch to the P99 was. The PPK has its merits for who and what Bond is, more than that though, it's iconic, part of what makes 007 as we've seen and known him. Changing that just for sake of having something different would be a mistake. It'd be like switching Dirty Harry's Model 29 for a .357 Snub, even though there's more an argument for the change and ''less'' for keeping it the same, in terms of practicality as opposed to Bond's PPK. Again, it's a part of the franchise, the gun is as much a character as Bond himself in that regard. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:47, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Walther does not have any real pull on the Bond franchise.Craig's suits in the film aren't even fitte for a gun. a still from Skyfall's gunfight in the Instanbul square shows Craig's shoulder holster printing badly. Frankly,if we look at Craig's gunfights in his Bond films, the weapon his Bond does best with is the Glock 17 in Skyfall, and one handed at that. It seems as if Bond&Co. have had a gun pick up brand in each of the Craig films:Browning HP,Sig P226in QOS,and the Glock in Skyfall. At least Craig's Bond picks up loose guns :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 02:54, 27 February 2015 (EST)
:Besides with an IWB holster it is even easier to hide a compact or even a full size pistol under a suit jacket, but ideally you don't wanna be grabbing any which pistol from the ground to use, if he was to take a pistol that suits the situation better (ideally one that holds more than 8-10 rounds), he wouldn't have to be grabbing pistols that are kept in god knows what condition off hapless chumps, and then have less risk of the weapon jamming on him and taking a hollow point between the eyes, (and yes I know that wouldn't happen because this is a movie, but in reality you'd be surprised how many idiots don't clean there weapons on a regular basis, once had a friend whose Hi-Power wouldn't even cycle because of all the crap inside it, he had to manually work the slide after every shot and he had no idea why) - [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 14:49, 27 February 2015 (GMT)

We all know why it has to have a PPK. It's so iconic that you can't have a Bond spy movie without the PPK. It' pretty much a sin. Yeah for a modern day practical purposes, he should have other guns. In one of the books, his favorite is actually the ASP [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:12, 27 February 2015 (EST)
: The ASP is arguably ''worse'' than the PPK. Sure its 9x19, but it doesn't really have sights and spare parts will be impossible to come by. Why can't British writers do guns decently?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2015 (EST)
:: Totally agree that the PPK isn't suitable for the kind of adventures Bond get himself into. Real life secret agents use them precisely because they are NOT like bond. They don't shoot often and need maximum discretion. Bond practically announces himself everywhere he goes and shoots very often. As for the ASP, its design has become too dated, and there are many other firearms that can replace it. The Glock 26, Walther CCP, Beretta Px4 Storm, Sig P938, etc. are all excellent compact designs in 9mm with good firepower. Some of them even have nice flowing lines to boot. But for serious gunfighters, they will probably use a larger pistol such as the P99 or Glock 19.

It’s odd that they bought the PPK back in Quantum of Solace. Just about all the Bond movies from 1995’s GoldenEye onwards have a tendency to have some character ''(*cough* Judi Dench *cough* M *cough*)'' remind Bond - and the audience - that cold war is over. Considering that Skyfall had pretty hefty symbolism with “death of Bond” in the beginning and the destruction of the iconic Aston Martin from Goldfinger in the end, pretty much telling that the old Bond is dead and it’s time to finally start a new era. So with all that telling that “cold war is over and it’s a new age” BS, why are they still making him stick with that ''cold war'' - '''''hell, World War II''''' – relic after all this? I say; if they want to rise out of the nostalgic dumps of cold war, Bond needs to get rid of the PPK. It’s the last thing keeping him from getting over his roots. '''''His Eisenhower vs Khrushchev era Cold War roots.''''' [[User:TrickShotFinn|TrickShotFinn]] ([[User talk:TrickShotFinn|talk]]) 13:18, 28 February 2015 (EST)
:I remember in some of the novels in the 80's they "updated" his carry weapon at first to an early FN model (1903 I think) and then to a VP70 (which I'd love to see him use in a film) before settling on the ASP for the remainder of the 80's and through the mid 90's, and in the Deaver novel "Carte Blanche" he carries the PPS, so the PPk isn't as much of the James Bond mythos as a lot of people think. I for one agree that it's time to get rid of the antique PPK and replace it, at least, with the PPS but ideally with the Sig P226R as it is used by the rest of the British armed forces (although I think SIS issues either Glock 17, Browning 9mm, or the PP9) - [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 19:49, 28 February 2015 (GMT)
:: Bah, whatever the books describe, we're still talking about the films here, and Bond has carried the PPK in all but a few of them. I don't see how keeping the PPK makes him worse off, nor do I see what a big improvement changing it would do for the character or franchise. 'New' Bond? We've arguably had 'new' Bonds ever since Sean Connery stopped playing the role. It's not being nostalgic - Again, that gun has become an iconic and relatively consistent part of the film franchise, much like his 'shaken, not stirred' martinis. To just change something like that out of hand would be silly. They have changed his sidearms, but his use of the P99 and P5 were little more than advertising plugs by Walther (though I thought the P99 was a nice change) - It's clear changing his sidearm has done relatively little to have him "rise out of the nostalgic dumps", as you say, and I think that will still hold true. Part of the problem is that Bond himself is a product of his time, you'll never really eliminate that aspect completely, no matter what. Granted I don't really care whether he keeps it or not, but I don't get all the hostility for him keeping a "WWII relic", mainly the implication that carrying something "antique" is a drawback for that reason alone - How many 'modern' parties swear by the 1911 design still? It's older than the Walther PP or PPK. More than a century old now. Do you have something against a weapon's age? If that isn't it, and you want the franchise to truly and wholly update Bond with a new sidearm, well that's fine. I personally don't see what the big deal is over him still carrying the sidearm that most everyone still almost universally associates with 007/James Bond (and still certainly works as far as a concealable compact firearm needs to work). I also don't see the big deal over changing it either so much. Whatever either way. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:38, 28 February 2015 (EST)

Are we sure that's a PPK/S in the single still to be be released so far and not a standard PPK?--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 23:43, 28 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:The Outlaw Josey Wales

2015-02-28T03:40:30Z

Tecolote: /* Changed a caption. */

Aside from assistance with the rifles, I'm done! Jcordell and Nyles seem like knowledgable users in these guns. But that doesn't mean anyone else is excluded... - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Sorted it out as best I could, don't guarantee 100% accuracy, but at least 90. - Nyles

Good work. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

::God I hate the Propstore of London. They deactivated the Colt Walkers Eastwood used in the film. Those guns are a part of film history! Every time I see the famous picture of Josey Wales now, I shutter in knowning his famous guns were neutered. Bastards. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Got a question for Gunmaster45: What source information do you have for the 1865 Colt Gatling .44 RF? I'm trying to run down information on a Peruvian Gatling used in the War of the Pacific (1879-1882) that was supposed to be .44-caliber.

== Changed a caption. ==

Changed the caption on the sixth Springfield Trapdoor picture. The caption said it was Lone Watie, but the man pictured is the bearded Mexican from the saloon. Lone Watie is clean shaven.

The Colt that Wales uses to shoot at a comanchero and also clicks empty trying to shoot Terrell is a 1861 Navy,not a '60 Army. note the straight,no rebated cylinder and the 7.5 inch barrel rather than the Army's 8-incher which sticks out past the loading lever latch.Also, Trapdoors have long been used as percussion muskets in film, simply for ease of reloading;they are faster than both a Sharps and Remington Rolling Block. Note the real Springfield and Enfield rifle-muskets are ever fired on screen. Also as stated, the road agent spin is quite easy and the 1860 Army with its longer butt and lighter barrel is ideal for this and doing it in reverse is an easy way to holster the gun,especially in a crossdraw butt forward holster holster.
As to Richards-Mason conversions, the '51 Navy is the only one I can actually ID as an R-M and its loading lever hole in the frame is still;usually the hole was filled in. i wish we knew why these conversions crept into the movie. Still one of my favorites,though.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:39, 27 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:The Outlaw Josey Wales

2015-02-28T03:39:55Z

Tecolote:

Aside from assistance with the rifles, I'm done! Jcordell and Nyles seem like knowledgable users in these guns. But that doesn't mean anyone else is excluded... - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Sorted it out as best I could, don't guarantee 100% accuracy, but at least 90. - Nyles

Good work. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

::God I hate the Propstore of London. They deactivated the Colt Walkers Eastwood used in the film. Those guns are a part of film history! Every time I see the famous picture of Josey Wales now, I shutter in knowning his famous guns were neutered. Bastards. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Got a question for Gunmaster45: What source information do you have for the 1865 Colt Gatling .44 RF? I'm trying to run down information on a Peruvian Gatling used in the War of the Pacific (1879-1882) that was supposed to be .44-caliber.

== Changed a caption. ==

Changed the caption on the sixth Springfield Trapdoor picture. The caption said it was Lone Watie, but the man pictured is the bearded Mexican from the saloon. Lone Watie is clean shaven.
The Colt that Wales uses to shoot at a comanchero and also clicks empty trying to shoot Terrell is a 1861 Navy,not a '60 Army. note the straight,no rebated cylinder and the 7.5 inch barrel rather than the Army's 8-incher which sticks out past the loading lever latch.Also, Trapdoors have long been used as percussion muskets in film, simply for ease of reloading;they are faster than both a Sharps and Remington Rolling Block. Note the real Springfield and Enfield rifle-muskets are ever fired on screen. Also as stated, the road agent spin is quite easy and the 1860 Army with its longer butt and lighter barrel is ideal for this and doing it in reverse is an easy way to holster the gun,especially in a crossdraw butt forward holster holster.
As to Richards-Mason conversions, the '51 Navy is the only one I can actually ID as an R-M and its loading lever hole in the frame is still;usually the hole was filled in. i wish we knew why these conversions crept into the movie. Still one of my favorites,though.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:39, 27 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Bonnie and Clyde (2013)

2015-02-27T08:20:56Z

Tecolote:

Clyde Barrow was born in 1909 and Bonnie Parker was born in 1910. They were children/teens in the 1920s, and each died before age 25. Their crime spree and time on the Public enemies list spanned from 1931 to 1934. They weren't particularly active during the "Roaring Twenties."--[[User:Ruzhyo|Ruzhyo]] ([[User talk:Ruzhyo|talk]]) 16:44, 29 September 2013 (EDT)

The Colt Detective Special wielded by Bonnie is a postwar model,as evidenced by the smooth,rather than checked, cylinder latch.Also prewar Detective
Specials had short ejector rods,short enough that the knob would have likely shown in this shot.
The "New Service" that Bonnie is aiming is actually also a postwar Colt, an Official Police Heavy Barrel; note the ramped front sight and single
screw on the side of the frame(prewar Colts had a screw and bolt,which looks like a pair of screws side by side).Even if a prewar Heavy Barrel OP
had been used, it would still have been anachronitic as the HB version wasn't introduced until 1935, and Bonnie was killed in 1934.
21:20 7 October Tecolote
After looking atthe new images, it seems there is also a shorter barreled OP,the one Buck checks in his room which appears to have a 4 or 5 inch barrel, and the shot of the OP stuck in Clyde's pants appears to have a checkered clyinder release and a pre 1945 hammer,making it period correct.It also looks as though the revolver in the lawman's holster and in the safe are Colts as they both have Colt grips and frame shoulder.
The cops do have Smiths, though.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:20, 27 February 2015 (EST)
== Unknown sniper rifle ==

The unknown sniper rifle looks like a Springfield M1903. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:58, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Spectre

2015-02-27T07:54:43Z

Tecolote: /* PPK */

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-27T07:39:55Z

Tecolote: /* Thompson revolver */

==Sidearm==
Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

:The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Thompson revolver==
Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
[[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
[[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]

: Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.

After watching Ep. 8 again,Agent Sousa is definitely carrying a period correct WW2 square butt Colt Detective Special,which he clonks Fenhoff with,the dead agent on the stairwell has what is likely the same exact gun, and Rose is grasping the same Colt squarebutt DS when she's confronting Jarvis. although Colt went to a round butt on the Ds ca. 1933,Uncle Sam ordered square butt DSs for issue to MI,CID,etc. Thet are rare and command high prices(and Smith Model 36s are easier to find). If you lighten up the pic of Rose's hand on the DS you'll see the mold mark on the butt and trigger;yep it's a cast and a good one as the trigger checkering Colt did back then is even captured. I don't recall any of the SSR agent firing their revolvers,they could have made more casts of the DS--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 02:35, 27 February 2015 (EST)
BTW, Agent Thompson needs a better shoulder holster,since he wears suspenders. I'd recommend a Nelson upsidedown holster, a recreation of the old Berns-Martin Triple Draw.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 02:39, 27 February 2015 (EST)

==Carter's PPK==
Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
[[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
[[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
:::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)
While doing an image search, I found the stunt PPK from CA/TFA. It's cast from a period PPK,ca.1934 according to the serial number;it sold for $650 and has the orange plug in the muzzle, and is kind of beat up, but a superb cast(amzing what these propmakers can do with casting and painting.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 02:09, 27 February 2015 (EST)

Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.

==M1A1s==
As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Your link doesn't work, also any idea what the child soldier was carrying? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:10, 12 February 2015 (EST)

:[http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp Corrected link]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:19, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::You really think an armorer would buy new semi-only Thompsons when the real thing has a selector switch? Besides, all the guns have their bolts back as if they were open bolts weapons--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:56, 12 February 2015 (EST)

That's a valid point, but I did say "perhaps"(even though I mispelled it). IIRc, the semi auto fire was shown from the left side where you would see the bolt on an M1A1,and I was suggesting the Class III SBR versions A-O offers. What I can say is some of the Thompsons are of A-O manufacture, full or semi-auto. At any rate the use of semi- fire caught my attention.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:56, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Commando552, thanks for fixing the link.

Mandolin, if by "child soldier" you the Black Widowlette that stabbed Dugan,I do know what she used. Dugan hadn't re-snapped his holster loop and the girl grabbed his M1917,shot the commando, dropped the gun and skittered into the vent shaft. BTW, the New Service does look like it is a real M1917,(as opposed to a commercial New Service)as it has the smooth walnut grips of that model,but it's missing the lanyard loop(again from zooming hi-rez photos I found
with a Bing image search.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:55, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Yeah, I mean the Black Widowette. I though she kept the gun, given she shot another guy later, but I guess she found another gun. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:35, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I thought she'd dropped the Colt;at any rate Dugan was shooting it from the back of the truck at pursuing Russians.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 13 February 2015 (EST)

=Please help ID rifle=
[[File:ACS1E05 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:ACS1E05 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:From the image of the scope and the front end of the rifle I believe it is a Mosin-Nagant Rifle can anyone confirm?--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 20:40, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I brightened the pics up and that's what it looks like to me.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:14, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Being technologically Paleolithic, I'd like to request that those who are getting these great screencaps look for the following from Ep.7: Dottie's cased and unassembled Henry;the shot under the desk of the chief "operator's" hand around what may be a Smith Model 10(when Jarvis comes in);a dead SSR agent in a stairwell with what might be a Colt Detective Special. There may be more, but I've only watched once,so far. Also, there are publicity stills via Bing image search of next week's episode with Peggy using an Ithaca M37, and an NYPD officer with a period correct(!) Colt Official Police. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:28, 20 February 2015 (EST)

From Episode 8: an M1 Garand with scope,rigged to fire shots on a timer;Sousa appears to have a period correct :)(short ejector rod) Colt Detective Special when confronting Faust in the hanger.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:58, 25 February 2015 (EST)

=TK=
So the TK is a real handgun, I assumed somebody made up a Russian-sounding name. Cool. BTW, was it ever confirmed that Dottie was the shooter in that hit? Everyone seems to assume so, but did the show people ever confirm it?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:49, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-27T07:35:56Z

Tecolote: /* Thompson revolver */

==Sidearm==
Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

:The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Thompson revolver==
Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
[[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
[[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]

: Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.

After watching Ep. 8 again,Agent Sousa is definitely carrying a period correct WW2 square butt Colt Detective Special,which he clonks Fenhoff with,the dead agent on the stairwell has what is likely the same exact gun, and Rose is grasping the same Colt squarebutt DS when she's confronting Jarvis. although Colt went to a round butt on the Ds ca. 1933,Uncle Sam ordered square butt DSs for issue to MI,CID,etc. Thet are rare and command high prices(and Smith Model 36s are easier to find). If you lighten up the pic of Rose's hand on the DS you'll see the mold mark on the butt and trigger;yep it's a cast and a good one as the trigger checkering Colt did back then is even captured. I don't recall any of the SSR agent firing their revolvers,they could have made more casts of the DS--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 02:35, 27 February 2015 (EST)

==Carter's PPK==
Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
[[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
[[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
:::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)
While doing an image search, I found the stunt PPK from CA/TFA. It's cast from a period PPK,ca.1934 according to the serial number;it sold for $650 and has the orange plug in the muzzle, and is kind of beat up, but a superb cast(amzing what these propmakers can do with casting and painting.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 02:09, 27 February 2015 (EST)

Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.

==M1A1s==
As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Your link doesn't work, also any idea what the child soldier was carrying? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:10, 12 February 2015 (EST)

:[http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp Corrected link]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:19, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::You really think an armorer would buy new semi-only Thompsons when the real thing has a selector switch? Besides, all the guns have their bolts back as if they were open bolts weapons--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:56, 12 February 2015 (EST)

That's a valid point, but I did say "perhaps"(even though I mispelled it). IIRc, the semi auto fire was shown from the left side where you would see the bolt on an M1A1,and I was suggesting the Class III SBR versions A-O offers. What I can say is some of the Thompsons are of A-O manufacture, full or semi-auto. At any rate the use of semi- fire caught my attention.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:56, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Commando552, thanks for fixing the link.

Mandolin, if by "child soldier" you the Black Widowlette that stabbed Dugan,I do know what she used. Dugan hadn't re-snapped his holster loop and the girl grabbed his M1917,shot the commando, dropped the gun and skittered into the vent shaft. BTW, the New Service does look like it is a real M1917,(as opposed to a commercial New Service)as it has the smooth walnut grips of that model,but it's missing the lanyard loop(again from zooming hi-rez photos I found
with a Bing image search.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:55, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Yeah, I mean the Black Widowette. I though she kept the gun, given she shot another guy later, but I guess she found another gun. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:35, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I thought she'd dropped the Colt;at any rate Dugan was shooting it from the back of the truck at pursuing Russians.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 13 February 2015 (EST)

=Please help ID rifle=
[[File:ACS1E05 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:ACS1E05 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:From the image of the scope and the front end of the rifle I believe it is a Mosin-Nagant Rifle can anyone confirm?--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 20:40, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I brightened the pics up and that's what it looks like to me.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:14, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Being technologically Paleolithic, I'd like to request that those who are getting these great screencaps look for the following from Ep.7: Dottie's cased and unassembled Henry;the shot under the desk of the chief "operator's" hand around what may be a Smith Model 10(when Jarvis comes in);a dead SSR agent in a stairwell with what might be a Colt Detective Special. There may be more, but I've only watched once,so far. Also, there are publicity stills via Bing image search of next week's episode with Peggy using an Ithaca M37, and an NYPD officer with a period correct(!) Colt Official Police. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:28, 20 February 2015 (EST)

From Episode 8: an M1 Garand with scope,rigged to fire shots on a timer;Sousa appears to have a period correct :)(short ejector rod) Colt Detective Special when confronting Faust in the hanger.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:58, 25 February 2015 (EST)

=TK=
So the TK is a real handgun, I assumed somebody made up a Russian-sounding name. Cool. BTW, was it ever confirmed that Dottie was the shooter in that hit? Everyone seems to assume so, but did the show people ever confirm it?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:49, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-27T07:09:27Z

Tecolote: /* Carter's PPK */

==Sidearm==
Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

:The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Thompson revolver==
Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
[[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
[[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]

: Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.

==Carter's PPK==
Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
[[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
[[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
:::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)
While doing an image search, I found the stunt PPK from CA/TFA. It's cast from a period PPK,ca.1934 according to the serial number;it sold for $650 and has the orange plug in the muzzle, and is kind of beat up, but a superb cast(amzing what these propmakers can do with casting and painting.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 02:09, 27 February 2015 (EST)

Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.

==M1A1s==
As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Your link doesn't work, also any idea what the child soldier was carrying? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:10, 12 February 2015 (EST)

:[http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp Corrected link]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:19, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::You really think an armorer would buy new semi-only Thompsons when the real thing has a selector switch? Besides, all the guns have their bolts back as if they were open bolts weapons--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:56, 12 February 2015 (EST)

That's a valid point, but I did say "perhaps"(even though I mispelled it). IIRc, the semi auto fire was shown from the left side where you would see the bolt on an M1A1,and I was suggesting the Class III SBR versions A-O offers. What I can say is some of the Thompsons are of A-O manufacture, full or semi-auto. At any rate the use of semi- fire caught my attention.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:56, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Commando552, thanks for fixing the link.

Mandolin, if by "child soldier" you the Black Widowlette that stabbed Dugan,I do know what she used. Dugan hadn't re-snapped his holster loop and the girl grabbed his M1917,shot the commando, dropped the gun and skittered into the vent shaft. BTW, the New Service does look like it is a real M1917,(as opposed to a commercial New Service)as it has the smooth walnut grips of that model,but it's missing the lanyard loop(again from zooming hi-rez photos I found
with a Bing image search.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:55, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Yeah, I mean the Black Widowette. I though she kept the gun, given she shot another guy later, but I guess she found another gun. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:35, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I thought she'd dropped the Colt;at any rate Dugan was shooting it from the back of the truck at pursuing Russians.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 13 February 2015 (EST)

=Please help ID rifle=
[[File:ACS1E05 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:ACS1E05 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:From the image of the scope and the front end of the rifle I believe it is a Mosin-Nagant Rifle can anyone confirm?--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 20:40, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I brightened the pics up and that's what it looks like to me.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:14, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Being technologically Paleolithic, I'd like to request that those who are getting these great screencaps look for the following from Ep.7: Dottie's cased and unassembled Henry;the shot under the desk of the chief "operator's" hand around what may be a Smith Model 10(when Jarvis comes in);a dead SSR agent in a stairwell with what might be a Colt Detective Special. There may be more, but I've only watched once,so far. Also, there are publicity stills via Bing image search of next week's episode with Peggy using an Ithaca M37, and an NYPD officer with a period correct(!) Colt Official Police. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:28, 20 February 2015 (EST)

From Episode 8: an M1 Garand with scope,rigged to fire shots on a timer;Sousa appears to have a period correct :)(short ejector rod) Colt Detective Special when confronting Faust in the hanger.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:58, 25 February 2015 (EST)

=TK=
So the TK is a real handgun, I assumed somebody made up a Russian-sounding name. Cool. BTW, was it ever confirmed that Dottie was the shooter in that hit? Everyone seems to assume so, but did the show people ever confirm it?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:49, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-26T00:58:38Z

Tecolote: /* Please help ID rifle */

==Sidearm==
Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

:The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Thompson revolver==
Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
[[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
[[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]

: Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.

==Carter's PPK==
Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
[[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
[[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
:::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.

==M1A1s==
As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Your link doesn't work, also any idea what the child soldier was carrying? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:10, 12 February 2015 (EST)

:[http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp Corrected link]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:19, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::You really think an armorer would buy new semi-only Thompsons when the real thing has a selector switch? Besides, all the guns have their bolts back as if they were open bolts weapons--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:56, 12 February 2015 (EST)

That's a valid point, but I did say "perhaps"(even though I mispelled it). IIRc, the semi auto fire was shown from the left side where you would see the bolt on an M1A1,and I was suggesting the Class III SBR versions A-O offers. What I can say is some of the Thompsons are of A-O manufacture, full or semi-auto. At any rate the use of semi- fire caught my attention.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:56, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Commando552, thanks for fixing the link.

Mandolin, if by "child soldier" you the Black Widowlette that stabbed Dugan,I do know what she used. Dugan hadn't re-snapped his holster loop and the girl grabbed his M1917,shot the commando, dropped the gun and skittered into the vent shaft. BTW, the New Service does look like it is a real M1917,(as opposed to a commercial New Service)as it has the smooth walnut grips of that model,but it's missing the lanyard loop(again from zooming hi-rez photos I found
with a Bing image search.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:55, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Yeah, I mean the Black Widowette. I though she kept the gun, given she shot another guy later, but I guess she found another gun. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:35, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I thought she'd dropped the Colt;at any rate Dugan was shooting it from the back of the truck at pursuing Russians.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 13 February 2015 (EST)

=Please help ID rifle=
[[File:ACS1E05 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:ACS1E05 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:From the image of the scope and the front end of the rifle I believe it is a Mosin-Nagant Rifle can anyone confirm?--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 20:40, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I brightened the pics up and that's what it looks like to me.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:14, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Being technologically Paleolithic, I'd like to request that those who are getting these great screencaps look for the following from Ep.7: Dottie's cased and unassembled Henry;the shot under the desk of the chief "operator's" hand around what may be a Smith Model 10(when Jarvis comes in);a dead SSR agent in a stairwell with what might be a Colt Detective Special. There may be more, but I've only watched once,so far. Also, there are publicity stills via Bing image search of next week's episode with Peggy using an Ithaca M37, and an NYPD officer with a period correct(!) Colt Official Police. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:28, 20 February 2015 (EST)

From Episode 8: an M1 Garand with scope,rigged to fire shots on a timer;Sousa appears to have a period correct :)(short ejector rod) Colt Detective Special when confronting Faust in the hanger.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:58, 25 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-20T06:28:07Z

Tecolote:

==Sidearm==
Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

:The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Thompson revolver==
Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
[[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
[[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]

: Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.

==Carter's PPK==
Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
[[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
[[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
:::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.

==M1A1s==
As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Your link doesn't work, also any idea what the child soldier was carrying? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:10, 12 February 2015 (EST)

:[http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp Corrected link]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:19, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::You really think an armorer would buy new semi-only Thompsons when the real thing has a selector switch? Besides, all the guns have their bolts back as if they were open bolts weapons--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:56, 12 February 2015 (EST)

That's a valid point, but I did say "perhaps"(even though I mispelled it). IIRc, the semi auto fire was shown from the left side where you would see the bolt on an M1A1,and I was suggesting the Class III SBR versions A-O offers. What I can say is some of the Thompsons are of A-O manufacture, full or semi-auto. At any rate the use of semi- fire caught my attention.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:56, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Commando552, thanks for fixing the link.

Mandolin, if by "child soldier" you the Black Widowlette that stabbed Dugan,I do know what she used. Dugan hadn't re-snapped his holster loop and the girl grabbed his M1917,shot the commando, dropped the gun and skittered into the vent shaft. BTW, the New Service does look like it is a real M1917,(as opposed to a commercial New Service)as it has the smooth walnut grips of that model,but it's missing the lanyard loop(again from zooming hi-rez photos I found
with a Bing image search.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:55, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Yeah, I mean the Black Widowette. I though she kept the gun, given she shot another guy later, but I guess she found another gun. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:35, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I thought she'd dropped the Colt;at any rate Dugan was shooting it from the back of the truck at pursuing Russians.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 13 February 2015 (EST)

=Please help ID rifle=
[[File:ACS1E05 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:ACS1E05 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:From the image of the scope and the front end of the rifle I believe it is a Mosin-Nagant Rifle can anyone confirm?--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 20:40, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I brightened the pics up and that's what it looks like to me.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:14, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Being technologically Paleolithic, I'd like to request that those who are getting these great screencaps look for the following from Ep.7: Dottie's cased and unassembled Henry;the shot under the desk of the chief "operator's" hand around what may be a Smith Model 10(when Jarvis comes in);a dead SSR agent in a stairwell with what might be a Colt Detective Special. There may be more, but I've only watched once,so far. Also, there are publicity stills via Bing image search of next week's episode with Peggy using an Ithaca M37, and an NYPD officer with a period correct(!) Colt Official Police. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:28, 20 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-14T03:14:47Z

Tecolote: /* Please help ID rifle */

Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

:The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Thompson revolver==
Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
[[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
[[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]

: Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.

==Carter's PPK==
Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
[[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
[[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
:::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.

==M1A1s==
As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Your link doesn't work, also any idea what the child soldier was carrying? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:10, 12 February 2015 (EST)

:[http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp Corrected link]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:19, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::You really think an armorer would buy new semi-only Thompsons when the real thing has a selector switch? Besides, all the guns have their bolts back as if they were open bolts weapons--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:56, 12 February 2015 (EST)

That's a valid point, but I did say "perhaps"(even though I mispelled it). IIRc, the semi auto fire was shown from the left side where you would see the bolt on an M1A1,and I was suggesting the Class III SBR versions A-O offers. What I can say is some of the Thompsons are of A-O manufacture, full or semi-auto. At any rate the use of semi- fire caught my attention.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:56, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Commando552, thanks for fixing the link.

Mandolin, if by "child soldier" you the Black Widowlette that stabbed Dugan,I do know what she used. Dugan hadn't re-snapped his holster loop and the girl grabbed his M1917,shot the commando, dropped the gun and skittered into the vent shaft. BTW, the New Service does look like it is a real M1917,(as opposed to a commercial New Service)as it has the smooth walnut grips of that model,but it's missing the lanyard loop(again from zooming hi-rez photos I found
with a Bing image search.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:55, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Yeah, I mean the Black Widowette. I though she kept the gun, given she shot another guy later, but I guess she found another gun. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:35, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I thought she'd dropped the Colt;at any rate Dugan was shooting it from the back of the truck at pursuing Russians.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:12, 13 February 2015 (EST)

=Please help ID rifle=
[[File:ACS1E05 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:ACS1E05 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:From the image of the scope and the front end of the rifle I believe it is a Mosin-Nagant Rifle can anyone confirm?--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 20:40, 13 February 2015 (EST)
I brightened the pics up and that's what it looks like to me.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:14, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-14T03:12:57Z

Tecolote: /* M1A1s */

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-13T06:56:41Z

Tecolote: /* M1A1s */

Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

:The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Thompson revolver==
Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
[[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
[[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]

: Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.

==Carter's PPK==
Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
[[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
[[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
:::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.

==M1A1s==
As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Your link doesn't work, also any idea what the child soldier was carrying? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:10, 12 February 2015 (EST)

:[http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp Corrected link]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:19, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::You really think an armorer would buy new semi-only Thompsons when the real thing has a selector switch? Besides, all the guns have their bolts back as if they were open bolts weapons--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:56, 12 February 2015 (EST)
That's a valid point, but I did say "perhaps"(even though I mispelled it). IIRc, the semi auto fire was shown from the left side where you would see the bolt on an M1A1,and I was suggesting the Class III SBR versions A-O offers. What I can say is some of the Thompsons are of A-O manufacture, full or semi-auto. At any rate the use of semi- fire caught my attention.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:56, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Commando552, thanks for fixing the link.
Mandolin, if by "child soldier" you the Black Widowlette that stabbed Dugan,I do know what she used. Dugan hadn't re-snapped his holster loop and the girl grabbed his M1917,shot the commando, dropped the gun and skittered into the vent shaft. BTW, the New Service does look like it is a real M1917,(as opposed to a commercial New Service)as it has the smooth walnut grips of that model,but it's missing the lanyard loop(again from zooming hi-rez photos I found with a Bing image search.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:55, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-13T06:55:26Z

Tecolote: /* M1A1s */

Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

:The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Thompson revolver==
Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
[[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
[[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]

: Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.

==Carter's PPK==
Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
[[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
[[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
:::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.

==M1A1s==
As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Your link doesn't work, also any idea what the child soldier was carrying? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:10, 12 February 2015 (EST)

:[http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp Corrected link]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:19, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::You really think an armorer would buy new semi-only Thompsons when the real thing has a selector switch? Besides, all the guns have their bolts back as if they were open bolts weapons--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:56, 12 February 2015 (EST)
That's a valid point, but I did say "perhaps"(even though I mispelled it). IIRc, the semi auto fire was shown from the left side where you would see the bolt on an M1A1,and I was suggesting the Class III SBR versions A-O offers. What I can say is some of the Thompsons are of A-O manufacture, full or semi-auto. At any rate the use of semi- fire caught my attention.
Commando552, thanks for fixing the link.
Mandolin, if by "child soldier" you the Black Widowlette that stabbed Dugan,I do know what she used. Dugan hadn't re-snapped his holster loop and the girl grabbed his M1917,shot the commando, dropped the gun and skittered into the vent shaft. BTW, the New Service does look like it is a real M1917,(as opposed to a commercial New Service)as it has the smooth walnut grips of that model,but it's missing the lanyard loop(again from zooming hi-rez photos I found with a Bing image search.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:55, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Kingsman: The Secret Service

2015-02-13T06:25:52Z

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Hello, Creating this page so hopefully someone can help me identify the firearms in this upcoming film. The trailer (link below) shows a number of firearms mounted on display and in use. The one gun that most intrigues me are the pistols that appear to be standard issue with "Kingsman", they appear to be Colt 1903/1908 hammerless? There are some Ar-15 type rifles visible, a subcompact glock in silouette and a sniper rifle too. I recall kick ass 2 had a page before the film came out identifying firearms in the trailer.

TRAILER ---> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4NCribDx4U]

--[[User:Tomnorthwales|Tomnorthwales]] ([[User talk:Tomnorthwales|talk]]) 09:36, 8 June 2014 (EDT)

Given the size, can theses be Tokarevs? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:29, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
:Actually, nevermind. I have no idea what these can be. I don't think they're Colts either. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:31, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
Those are Tokarevs. Custom grip panels and missing the hammer, but they are. [[User:Pepper|Pepper]] ([[User talk:Pepper|talk]]) 20:58, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

My first thought was Tokarevs as well due to the serrations. I was quite impressed they seemed to have filed away the hammers to make it appear hammerless and worked on the body to change it cosmetically. However Having seen the post below I agree that they are Colt Pocket Hammerless pistols, nice knowledge! - StaticHunter
Zooming the waistband image up shows that the right hand pistol has a slide stop and mag release button,which '03 Colts don't.Also the slide serrations seem to have been deeply milled away. They are way too big to be Colts,so I'm going with Tokarev,for now.Looks like the armourers and art directors have done their job:confuse the heck out of us.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:25, 13 February 2015 (EST)

==Kingsman Arsenal==
The sniper rifles in the center cabinet are (at least I am pretty sure they are) all Accuracy International products. The first and third rifles (in the center cabinet) are Accuracy International AX50 rifles in .50BMG and the second and fourth rifles are [[Accuracy International AX308]]s. I am going by the size of the mags as well as the muzzle brakes on both weapons as identifiers. In addition the rifles on the left both appear to be [[Heckler & Koch HK416|HK416]]s and the ones on the right also seem to be [[Bushmaster ACR]]s (again I believe so). --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 20:59, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

== New Poster ==
In a play on the Bond film [[For Your Eyes Only]] various characters (in this case [[Colin Firth]]) are seen standing between the legs of someone who appears to be holding a stand alone [[FN EGLM]]. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 05:56, 27 November 2014 (EST)
[[File:Kingsman Promo -1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

=WORK IN PROGRESS PAGE (keep all chat above here)=

[[Image:Kingsman-secret-service-poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Kingsman: The Secret Service'' (2014)]]

''''Kingsman: The Secret Service'''' is an upcoming British [[spy film]] from director [[Mathew Vaughan]]. The film is based on the comic book ''The Scret Service'' by Mark Millar and Dave Gibbons. It is the second original comic of Mark Millar that Matthew Vaughn has adapted to film, following on from [[Kick-Ass]]

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==Colt Pocket Hammerless==

Various members of Kingsman are seen using what appears to be a [[Colt Model 1903/1908]] Pocket Hammerless pistol.

[[Image:ColtM1903HammerlessWoodGrips.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1903 Hammerless with Colt Wood Grips - .32 ACP]]

[[Image:Kingsman-ColtHammerless.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 1903/1908 Pocket Hammerless - unknown caliber, .32ACP or .380ACP, with what appears to be an under barrel torch and a small suppressor mounted on the wall above.]]

[[Image:ColtHammerlessWaistband.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Being withdrawn from the someone's rear waistband.]]

[[Image:Kingsman-ColtHammerlessAgent.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A female Kingsman agent is seen aiming a Colt Model 1903/1908 Pocket Hammerless]]

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-02-12T08:44:18Z

Tecolote:

Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

:The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Thompson revolver==
Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
[[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
[[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]

: Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.

==Carter's PPK==
Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
[[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
[[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
:::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.

As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:Casablanca

2015-02-11T00:20:19Z

Tecolote:

I just created this page after about a week of research into each gun. I am 98% sure of the accuracy of the listings. Please add to the discussion if you would like to discuss possible errors, would love to have the conversation as these were some tough ones. --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 20:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

That looks more like a Colt Detective Special with the 2 inch barrel and shorter ejector rod of that era that Peter Lorre uses instead of the little( and they are little) Pocket Positive.
Also Major Strasser pulls a Luger on Rick at the airport.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:20, 10 February 2015 (EST)

Talk:The Grand Budapest Hotel

2015-01-17T03:41:08Z

Tecolote:

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==Unidentified==
[[File:GrandBudapestHotel_Rifles1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:GrandBudapestHotel_Rifles2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:GrandBudapestHotel_Rifles3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
By the way, the letterbox is intentional, as the film switches aspect ratios to show which time period is being shown. Also, there are other bolt-action rifles throughout the film, but I just took the shots that showed them clearly. --[[User:ZaneTheDudeMan|ZaneTheDudeMan]] ([[User talk:ZaneTheDudeMan|talk]]) 23:50, 15 January 2015 (EST)

: First cap looks like it might be a [[FN Model 1910]], second looks like a [[Mauser 1914 Pocket Pistol]], the rifles all seem like full-length [[Mauser Gewehr 98]]s; the last cap - EDIT - Well I thought it was a straight bolt handle at first but it looks angled down just a bit rather than dead straight. It's definitely not a Kar98k since it doesn't have the curved bolt nor recess in the frame. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:02, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:: Also, the PP listed on the page is actually a PPK. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:05, 16 January 2015 (EST)

The PPK is also of post war(at least 1960s) manufacture,as shown by the rounded nose of the slde and the rear sight not being integral with the slide.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)

::: Ahem, just took a look at the Gew98 page (been a while since I last looked at that one) - The rifle in the last cap might just be one of the post-WWI re-issues like this one - [[Image:Mauser g98 sniper.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Post WW1 Weimar reissue Scharfschutzengewehr98 - 7.92x57mm Mauser. Note tangent-leaf rear sight, indicative of Reichswehr service.]] [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:15, 16 January 2015 (EST)

If I may add my two cents here. The first one looks more like a [[Savage 1907]] by the trigger guard and grips. The second one is definitely a [[Mauser 1914 Pocket Pistol]], that front sight gives it away. The rifles in the third one look to be older Mauser type rifles, maybe Mauser 1871/74's. [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 01:17, 16 January 2015 (EST)
: The Savage and FN both look like they have near-identical trigger guards, don't see how you can distinguish between them with that shot. As for the grips, they are fairly clear on the right side, and they look like they have the screw midway up the grip and the oval FN logo at the top of the grip, just like the FN 1910 in this image, hence why I went with that (plus the mag floorplate looks right, as well) - [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:10, 16 January 2015 (EST) [[Image:FN Model 1910 1616.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN Model 1910 .380 ACP]]

The Colt is not a New Service as it doesn't have the sharknose front sight of that model but has the half moon sight and short ejector rod know of an Official Police, a period correct one, too.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Talk:Agent Carter (TV Series)

2015-01-14T05:12:44Z

Tecolote: /* Thompson revolver */