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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Mk_153_SMAW&amp;diff=424433</id>
		<title>Mk 153 SMAW</title>
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		<updated>2011-06-01T14:46:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: /* Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''The Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW and variants can be seen in the following films, television series, video games, and anime used by the following actors:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mk153SMAW.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW 83mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Kick-Ass]] || [[Stu Riley]] || Huge Goon || Referred to as &amp;quot;Bazooka&amp;quot; || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[A-Team, The (2010)|The A-Team]] || [[Brian Bloom]] || Pike ||  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2: Modern Combat]] || ||  || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[007: Agent Under Fire]] || MRL-22 || || || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction]] || ||  ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mercenaries 2: World in Flames]] || Anti-Tank Launcher ||  ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] ||  ||  ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[MAG]] ||  ||  ||  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising]] ||  ||  ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Conduit, The|The Conduit]] || SMAW || || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== M141 SMAW-D ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Image004.jpg|thumb|right|400px|M141 SMAW-D 83mm in launch and carry positions]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bad Boys II]] || [[Antoni Corone]] || D.E.A. Agent Tony Dodd ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[War of the Worlds]] ||  || U.S. Marine || With AN/PVS-4 night-vision scope || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Skyline]] ||  || U.S. Marine ||  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|   ||  || [[24]] || || 2001 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army]] || Bunker Defeat Munition (BDM) || || || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Weapon dealers || [[Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig]] || || 2004 - 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== B-300 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The SMAW is a later variant on the B-300, which was developed in the seventies by IMI. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Delta Force]] || Chuck Norris || Maj. Scott McCoy ||  || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Delta Force]] || Steve James || Bobby ||  || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Missile Launcher]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers_(2007)&amp;diff=405074</id>
		<title>Talk:Transformers (2007)</title>
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		<updated>2011-04-03T10:10:50Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;For the convenience of the site-going public, this is a visual guide of the main Transformers of the film, in both vehicle and robot form. The following Transformers seen in the film are:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
__TOC__&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;BR clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=The Autobots=&lt;br /&gt;
*The Autobots, or '''Autonomous Robotic Organisms''' in full, are sentient robots from the planet Cybertron, sent to Earth to locate the All Spark, before the Decepticons can find it. They are the protagonists of the film.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Autobots-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Autobots all together in diguise form,  poorly attempting to look inconspicuous on the Witwickys' front lawn.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Optimus Prime==&lt;br /&gt;
*Optimus Prime, voiced by '''Peter Cullen''' as in the original Gen 1 series, is the leader of the Autobots. In the film, his disguise form is a custom refinished Peterbilt Model-379 long nosed truck, three of which were built for production. Originally a flat nosed truck had been selected, but the long nose truck gave greater size to Prime, so was ultimately selected. The truck's paint scheme is loosely based on the paint-scheme used on NASCAR driver Jeff Gordon's car. Originally Optimus Prime was mainly red, but red is among the worst colors to photograph, so blue with red flames was used instead. In robot form, Optimus Prime stands 32' tall, and is composed of 10,108 parts. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrimeSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|One of the three Peterbilt Model-379 trucks used to build Optimus Prime's vehicle form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrimeSpecial-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The finished result after the truck was refinished, repainted, and restored.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrimeSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Optimus Prime in animated series form left, and film form right.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrimeSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Concept art of how Optimus Prime's &amp;quot;ears&amp;quot; where designed to give him more of a Japanese Samurai look.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrime-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Optimus Prime takes the diguise of a custom built Peterbilt Model-379 when he first arrives on Earth.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrime-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on Optimus Prime's face. The amount of parts added to the face helped to give the robots more emotion, at Michael Bay's request. When engaged in combat, Optimus has a pair of plates that slide over his mouth from the sides, giving his face the classic Gen 1 appearance.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrime-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good shot of the long nose and blue/red flame paint job.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrime-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Optimus Prime drifts on the highway.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrime-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Optimus Prime extends his energy sword during his battle with Bonecrusher on the freeway. In the sequel, ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', Optimus is shown to have a second energy sword in his other arm, and uses both when he engages in a melee battle with Megatron, Starscream, and Grindor. This weapon is an homage to the energon axe weapon wielded by the Gen 1 Optimus Prime.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-OptimusPrime-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Optimus Prime, ready to fight during the final battle in Mission City.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bumblebee==&lt;br /&gt;
*Bumblebee is the first of the Autobots to land on planet Earth, as a scout for the team. When he first arrives, he takes the disguise of a rather undesirable and broken down Chevy Camaro 1976 with a fading yellow paint job and black racing stripes. His voice box was damaged in a previous battle, forcing him to use the car radio as his main means of communication in the film. He is found by Sam Witwicky ([[Shia LaBeouf]]) at a used auto retailer, and is bought for $4,000. After Mikaela Banes ([[Megan Fox]]) questions why he chose to disguise himself as a piece of crap Camaro, he re-scans and takes the new form of a 5th-generation Camaro 2009 model, in reality a mocked up Pontiac GTO with the Camaro Concept's exterior and interior design. Bumblebee in robot form stands between 16-18' tall, and is composed of an unknown number of parts.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BumblebeeSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A concept art rendition of the Camaro 1976 model, Bumblebee's first disguise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BumblebeeSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bumblebee, in Gen 1 form left, film form right.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BumblebeeSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bumblebee's CGI model, based on Camaro 1976 disguise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Bumblebee-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bumblebee in disguise at the used auto dealer.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Bumblebee-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the original Gen 1 show, Bumblebee was a yellow Volkswagon Bug. In the new film, this model car was placed next to Bumblebee as a joke. He also shows his defiance towards the old design by smashing it with his door.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Bumblebee-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good shot of Bumblebee as Sam uses him to drive Mikaela home.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Bumblebee-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bumblebee pulls up to Mikaela's driveway.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Bumblebee-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bumblebee strikes a Superman pose after saving Sam and Mikaela from Barricade.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Bumblebee-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bumblebee returns as a Camaro 2009.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Bumblebee-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bumblebee's new robot form, based on the 2009 model.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Bumblebee-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bumblebee races down the storm drains while being pursued by Sector 7 agents.  Note the &amp;quot;rims&amp;quot; - in this case, actually wheel covers slapped over steel wheels.  At the time of production, the 5th-gen Camaro hadn't moved past the concept stage, so obtaining multiple sets of the car's distinctive rims would have been incredibly difficult, if not downright impossible.  Thus, Saleen (who built the movie car, as well as Barricade) molded plastic covers from the concept's rims and went down that route.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Bumblebee-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bumblebee driving down the highway.  Again, look at the &amp;quot;rims&amp;quot;, and marvel at how the car has NO BRAKE CALIPERS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Ironhide==&lt;br /&gt;
*Ironhide is the weapons specialist of the team (our kind of guy), and said to be Optimus Prime's oldest friend. He is a battle hardened soldier, and one of the oldest of the Autobots, succeeded only by Prime. According the to CGI animators at ILM, Ironhide's arm cannons had over 10,000 parts each, more than some of the other Transformers in total. In disguise form, Ironhide is a black GMC Topkick C4500-series pickup truck. In robot form, Ironhide stands 26' tall, and is composed of ~ 30,000 parts.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-IronHideSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The GMC Topkick C4500-series pickup used in the film.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-IronHideSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Comparison of Ironhide in Gen 1 series (he was a Japanese based ambulance) to him in the film.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-IronHide-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ironhide disguises himself as a GMC Topkick C4500 in a family's drive-way.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-IronHide-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''&amp;quot;Feeling lucky, punk?&amp;quot;'']]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-IronHide-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ironhide looks at his arm cannons.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-IronHide-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ironhide drives down the streets of Mission City.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-IronHide-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ironhide gives Cpt. Lennox ([[Josh Duhamel]]) a ride home.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Ratchet==&lt;br /&gt;
*Ratchet is the team medic, and has enhanced senses for use on all species. His disguise on Earth is a fictional build up on a GM Hummer H2 passed off as a &amp;quot;Search and Rescue&amp;quot; vehicle.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-RatchetSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The custom built Hummer H2 used in the film to play Ratchet.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-RatchetSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The frame built on the rear of the vehicle to make it a Search and Rescue van.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Ratchet-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ratchet pulls out after taking the disguise form of a Hummer H2 Search and Rescue vehicle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Ratchet-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ratchet in robot form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Ratchet-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on Ratchet's face.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Ratchet-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ratchet drives away from the Sector 7 agents.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Ratchet-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ratchet sits under the sunset at the film's end.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Jazz==&lt;br /&gt;
*Jazz is Optimus Prime's 1st Lieutenant as he was in the Gen 1 series. His fighting style and transformation movements are based on the fighting style of capoeira. His diguise form on Earth is a Pontiac Solstice GXP with a silver paint job. He is the smallest Autobot, standing 15' tall. He is composed of an unknown number of parts, though Megatron believes the number to be two.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BarricadeSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The CGI model for Jazz.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-JazzSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Pontiac Solstice used in the film to play as Jazz. Note hardtop, rear spoiler, and hood louvers.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-JazzSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Jazz in the Gen 1 series left (as a Porsche 935 Turbo) and left in the film.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Jazz-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jazz driving through the alleyway.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Jazz-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jazz in robot form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Jazz-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jazz drives down the road.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Jazz-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jazz hits the E-Brake and turns.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Jazz-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jazz fights with Megatron during the final battle in Mission City.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=The Decepticons=&lt;br /&gt;
* The Decepticons are the antagonists of the film, seeking the All Spark on Earth to form an army of Decepticons from its life-giving power. Michael Bay decided to make the Decepticon's disguises based on Military/Police vehicles, based mainly on their looks, hardware, and sheer coolness.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Decepticons-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brawl, Barricade, and Bonecrusher driving down the road. Missing from this picture is Megatron, Starscream (who is high up in the sky), Blackout, Scorponok, and Frenzy. This is due mainly because of the Decepticon's lack of team work, as they ineffectively believe more in deception and overpowering their opponents as their main fighting technique.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Megatron==&lt;br /&gt;
* Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons, and brother to Optimus Prime. He is responsible for the destruction of Cybertron due to his selfish wishes to dictate the planet. In the original Gen 1 series, Megatron's transformation form was a gun (A &amp;quot;Man from U.N.C.L.E. [[Walther P38]]), as nothing was more sinister for the role of an '80s villain than a firearm. Due to obvious size issues, Megatron was chosen to take the form of a Cybertronian jet. Instead of disguising himself like the rest of the Transformers, Megatron is too ignorant to care about being discovered, as his loathing of humankind is too great after being frozen at the Sector 7 base for over 100 years. Regardless, we still see Megatron form a large cannon from his two arms during the battle in Mission City, as a possible homage to this. Megatron is the largest of the Transformers, standing ~35' tall. [[Hugo Weaving]] was selected as the voice actor for Megatron, as he sounded far more sinister than original voice actor '''Frank Welker''', who was also busy at the time.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-MegatronSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Megatron's CGI model.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-MegatronSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Megatron in Gen 1 form and film form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-MegatronSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Megatron's original Gen 1 form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Megatron-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Megatron on the planet Cybertron.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Megatron-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Megatron frozen at the Sector 7 base in the &amp;quot;Iceman&amp;quot; project.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Megatron-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''&amp;quot;You fail me yet again, Starscream.&amp;quot;'']]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Megatron-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up on Megatron's face. Note red eyes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Megatron-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Megatron's Cybertronian jet form in flight.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Megatron-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;Join them in extinction!&amp;quot; Megatron's arms combine to build his fusion cannon.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Megatron-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Megatron corners Sam Witwicky ([[Shia LaBeouf]]) on top of a building.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Starscream==&lt;br /&gt;
* Starscream is Megatron's right hand man, and is secretively deceptive in his desires to overthrow Megatron as leader. Starscream's disguise form is a Lockheed Martin/Boeing F-22 Raptor jet, which is currently the best jet available. In the original Gen 1 series, he was an F-15 Eagle, which was the best jet available at that time as well. He is very acrobatic, using his jet boosters like a jet pack to increase jumps, decents, and flight. His feet were purposely designs to be thin and birdlike to make landing on small structures easier, allowing him to &amp;quot;perch&amp;quot;. Starscream stands 31' tall and is composed of an unknown number of parts.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-StarScreamSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Starscream's CGI model.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-StarScreamSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Starscream takes off as an F22 Raptor.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-StarScreamSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Starscream in Gen 1 form and film form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-StarScream-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Starscream's cockpit, being piloted by the holographic image of the &amp;quot;Mustache Man&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-StarScream-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Starscream fires off six rockets while perched on a bridge of the Hoover Dam.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-StarScream-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on Starscream's face.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackout==&lt;br /&gt;
* Blackout is the first Transformer we see in the film, wreaking havoc on a SOCCENT base after returning under the numbers of a helicopter said to be shot down weeks before. Blackout is capable of carrying large loads, including other Decepticons. We see him carry Scorponok on his back during his first assault. Blackout's disguise form is a Sikorsky MH-53 Pave Low helicopter. Blackout stands 33' tall, which seems contradictory in retrospect to his vehicle form's size, which would place him as being much taller (around 55' tall). This would make him much larger than Megatron though, which seems out of place.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BlackoutSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Sikorsky MH-53 Pave Low helicopter used to play Blackout takes off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BlackoutSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MH-53 Pave Low lands at dusk.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-GEM134-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackout flies across the sands of Qatar.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Blackout-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;4500X&amp;quot; is the number on Michael Bay's private jet.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-GEM134-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackout lands on the platform of the SOCCENT base.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Blackout-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackout's main rotors fold up like wings.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Blackout-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackout uses his tail-rotor as a deadly weapon.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-GEM134-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackout during the final battle in Mission City.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Scorponok==&lt;br /&gt;
* Scorponok in the film is more heavily based on a character from the '''Beast Wars''' series in the Transformers genre rather than his Gen 1 form. His disguise and robot form are up to some debate, as in the prequel novel Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday, he is depicted as being in robot form. Yet in the film, we see serial numbers on his chassis indicating the scorpion form ''is'' his robot form; his disguise in the movie is actually one of Blackout's T-64 Turboshaft engines with parts from the other, with markings taken from all over the Pave Low on parts of his body.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Scorponok-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on Scorponok's eyes as he watches Cpt. Lennox ([[Josh Duhamel]]) and his men. Note the markings and bolts on his chassis, indicating his disguise form is a part of Blackout's helicopter form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Scorponok-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Scorponok bursts from the sand.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Scorponok-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Scorponok battles with Lennox and his men in Qatar.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Scorponok-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Scorponok fires his cannons.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Bonecrusher==&lt;br /&gt;
* Bonecrusher is a misanthropist, despising all other robots of his kind, but serves Megatron out of fear alone. He is aggressive and very powerful, and proves to be rather pugnacious during his battle with the Autobots on the freeway where he flips multiple cars and tears a bus in half. Bonecrusher's disguise form is a Force Protection Inc. Buffalo Mine Protected Vehicle (MPV). Bonecrusher makes use of his six wheels by using them like roller skates to bound quick across flat surfaces. He stands 28' tall, and is composed of an unknown number of parts. Bonecrusher is reportedly Michael Bay's favorite Transformer in the film, and he named one of his dogs after him.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BoneCrusherSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bonecrusher speeding down the freeway.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BoneCrusherSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Buffalo MPV was originally selected because this image was seen of the vehicle, drastically exaggerating the size of the forked arm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BoneCrusherSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The real vehicle's arm proved to be much less impressive. To fix this, a larger slip on fork was added to make it look more threatening.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BoneCrusher-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The subtitles say it all...]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BoneCrusher-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bonecrusher drives under a tunnel on the freeway.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BoneCrusher-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good shot of Bonecrusher's enlarged arm fork as he transforms.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BoneCrusher-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bonecrusher smashes through a bus to get to Optimus Prime.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Barricade==&lt;br /&gt;
* Barricade is the first Decepticon to locate Sam Witwicky ([[Shia LaBeouf]]) on Earth. He is one of the few Decepticons who can succefully blend into the civilian world, unlike the other Decepticons who disguise as bulky military vehicles. Barricade's disguise form is a Saleen S281 Extreme (a modified Ford Mustang 2007) made up as a police car. Barricade stands 16' tall and is composed of an unknown number of parts.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BarricadeSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barricade on the move.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Barricade-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Barricade driving down the road.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Barricade-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on Barricade's front grill, complete with police-issue push bumpers.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Barricade-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;To protect and serve&amp;quot; isn't Decepticon-ish enough.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Barricade-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''&amp;quot;Are you Username: Ladiesman217?!&amp;quot;'']]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Barricade-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Barricade pursues Bumblebee.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Barricade-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Barricade fights with Bumblebee.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Barricade-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Subtitles say it all...]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Frenzy==&lt;br /&gt;
* Frenzy is the recon operative of the group, and is a new creation to the Transformers universe. He is based on the Gen 1 character '''Soundwave''', whose alternate form was a tape recorder. This proved a problem in size (like Megatron's Gen 1 gun form), so a new, smaller character was born. Frenzy takes the form of a boombox disc player, the disks being replaced by shuriken style throwing blades. In the sequel, ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', a new Decepticon named Soundwave does make an appearance, his main form being a Cybertronian satellite. Frenzy also makes a cameo in the second film; his dismembered head being seen in a bell jar in Reggie Simmons ([[John Turturro]])'s possession.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-FrenzySpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Soundwave from the Gen 1 series left, Frenzy in the film right.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-FrenzySpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The animatronic puppet of Frenzy used for scenes where the actors fight with him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Frenzy-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frenzy as an inconspicuous boombox sitting in the elevator.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Frenzy-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frenzy aims his arm cannon while onboard Air Force One.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Frenzy-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frenzy's shuriken disk flying through the air.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Frenzy-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frenzy flips the &amp;quot;stupid insects&amp;quot; the bird.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Frenzy-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After Frenzy is chopped apart by Mikaela Banes ([[Megan Fox]]), he is left as less than a full form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Frenzy-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frenzy takes the disguise of Mikaela's cellphone.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Devastator/Brawl==&lt;br /&gt;
* In the film, the Decepticon that takes the form of a tank is said to be &amp;quot;Devastator&amp;quot;. In reality he is named Brawl, and the name Devastator was accidentally used instead. Michael Bay personally favored the name Devastator though, and it leaked past post-production. In the sequel to the film the same name would be used to depict a much more sinister Decepticon. Brawl's tank form is an extremely large prop rather than a real tank (although based on the M1 Abrams and the Leopard 2 tanks), and was originally built for the movie ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''; it was modified for ''[[Transformers]]'' to carry a replica of the &amp;quot;Venus Fly Trap&amp;quot; MCBS (minus the two forks and &amp;quot;dog bone&amp;quot; magnetic mine detonator) and a pair of quad missile launch tubes on the secondary turret. The hull is a modified truck chassis with the rear shortened and the radiator cut off, using a Freightliner diesel engine and rubber band tracks taken from a construction vehicle. It is noticeably too light for a real Abrams, as can be seen from how high it rides up as it runs over a car in Mission City. In addition, extras in the Mission City sequence don't seem to have been advised that they should be avoiding a 40-foot area surrounding the tank's turbine exhaust; some are standing in positions where they'd be severely burned if the tank was real. The main gun is secured using a non-functional travel lock that has a tendency to disappear and reappear between shots, most likely there to stop the top-heavy prop turret falling off the chassis during the car-crushing sequence, as it has no visible hinge to fold down and is not a component of either the Abrams or the Leopard 2, the two tanks the prop is based on. Indeed, the turret visibly wobbles during this sequence. The main gun noticeably doesn't recoil; barely at all in one shot of the muzzle, and not at all in another; by comparison, when the CGI version of the tank fires shortly afterwards the gun recoils as would be expected.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BrawlSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Brawl's CGI model.]] this first image is actually of bonecrusher and not brawl&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BrawlSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The tank used to play Brawl. Note front forks and travel lock.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-BrawlSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A good shot of the tank.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-M2HB-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brawl rolls out of the tank lot (note the muzzle of a real M1 Abrams' main gun on the far-left).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Brawl-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note travel lock on main gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Brawl-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The main gun fires, with no recoil following it.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Brawl-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here we see the tank rides far too high up on the car it is driving over. In reality a vehicle of such weight would crush the car straight down, however, the film's version is a mockup that is much lighter than an actual tank.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Chieftain-car.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This is what should be happening to that car.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Brawl-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brawl grapples with Jazz.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Brawl-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brawl firing his quad 37mm arm cannon.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Robotic Organisms=&lt;br /&gt;
* Before either the Autobots or the Decepticons arrived on Earth, their robotic form was more organic and was not influenced by a vehicle design. This was a break from the original Gen 1 idea that even on planet Cybertron the robots had vehicle based forms (which really didn't make much sense). So instead their different forms are space travel pods allowing them to survive the passing of the atmosphere and the crash landing.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-robotsSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Optimus Prime in organic robot form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-robotsSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Concept art for robot's space travel pod form.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-robots-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Optimus Prime's pod form crashes into Earth.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-robots-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iron Hide hides from a family after crashing in a pool.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-robots-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Optimus Prime in robot form before taking the disguise of a Peterbilt truck.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Trivia=&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-Ladiesman217-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sam Witwicky's ([[Shia LaBeouf]]) eBay user name &amp;quot;Ladiesman217&amp;quot; is based on Michael Bay's birthday, which is February 17, 1965 (2/17/65).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Trans-CM203launcher-1special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tyrese Gibson]] dual-wielding an [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1]]/[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 launcher]] and a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] in a behind the scenes shot. While not standard practice, there is an account of a U.S. Army soldier, Sgt. Jason Mike, engaging insurgents in Iraq during an ambush while dual-wielding an M4A1 and an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] in a similar fashion and managing to successfully defend wounded soldiers in his convoy, his actions earning him a Silver Star medal.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Multicam Camouflage ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Captain Lennox ([[Josh Duhamel]]) and his men are shown wearing Crye Multicam uniforms and gear during the film. This pattern was originally one of two patterns that competed to be used in the US Army's Army Combat Uniform. While the Multicam pattern originally lost out to the pixelized Universal Camouflage Pattern, it has been used by various civilian and paramilitary organizations and was recently been adopted in limited use by the Army, specifically for soldiers being deployed to Afghanistan.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Trans-CM203launcher-3special.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the actors practicing weapon-handling while wearing a Crye Multicam uniform and gear]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Headwear Inaccuracies ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There are several times in the film where Captain Lennox's men can be seen wearing berets during combat. this is extremely inaccurate, as current US military regulations dictate that berets are only worn when in garrison or stateside, never during a deployment. This mistake is repeated again in [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen|the sequel]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Trans-DefTech-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A member of Lennox's team engages the Decepticons in Mission City while wearing a beret, complete with unit insignia. Another inaccuracy is that this character is supposedly a Ranger, yet is wearing a black conventional unit beret instead of the Rangers' tan beret.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Trans-MilkorM32-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TSgt. Epps ([[Tyrese Gibson]]) takes cover during the battle of Mission City, a good idea since that scarlet USAF Combat Controller beret would stick out like a sore thumb!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Uh... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What to say, other than &amp;quot;Wow!&amp;quot; Thanks!  --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 04:30, 6 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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=Cobray CM203=&lt;br /&gt;
Since it doesn't seem to appear in the movie itself, is there any real purpose in having it on the page? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:21, 22 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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= Redoing screenshots and categorizing =&lt;br /&gt;
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I just uploaded high quality replacements for the first couple of screenshots. I will redo all of them (hopefully this night already, tomorrow I´ll categorize this crap correctly so it´s not such a pain in the butt to browse through). Btw.: The database replaces the thumbnails first. It takes a while for the pictures themselves to be replaced. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 19:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Alright, this is it for today. My neck is stiff as hell and the coffee has finally worn off. I´ll finish redecorating this article tomorrow. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 21:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Done. Some of the old ones look good enough to stay and I dont have any special features on my Disc except for the audio commentary. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== SA80 prop ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not sure if this should be added to the list of in movie weapons but:&lt;br /&gt;
I was searching the net, and US-online based auction house was selling (one of three) SA80 rubber prop guns that appeared both TF1 and RoTF, including a shot from one of the desert battles where it was used. &lt;br /&gt;
However - this was about a month ago, and I can no-longer find the page. &lt;br /&gt;
I do remember what it looked like though - L85A1 type reciever (round charging handle) with holographic optic on it (looked like a 552 or similar). The foreguard had been modified to have an olive-drab M4 foreguard on (it was round, and in 4 parts top and bottom rails) with a foregrip. &lt;br /&gt;
If anyone can back me up on this, and find the relevant pictures, I'd be greatful.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vektor Y3 AGL ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If y'all get a good look at the caravan of vehicles going from the bunker to the city at the end look on the Chenowth DR2 FAVs and you can see the South African Vektor Y3 automatic grenade launcher mounted on them. The muzzle tipped it off: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Y3_AGL.JPG/800px-Y3_AGL.JPG&lt;br /&gt;
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None of the pictures on imcbd.org show a good picture.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Optimus Primes logic ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When the sector 7 people are closing in on the Autobots, Sam and Mikeala, all the Autobots transform and drive away, except optimus who takes the two humans up on his back and runs away, which is pretty stupid because if he had just transformed into the truck, sam and mikeala could have climbed into the him and they could just drive away, if he had done that Bumblebee wouldn't have had to transform out of car mode to save them and he wouldn't have been captured by S7... [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Battlefield: Bad Company 2</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: /* M16A4 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Is anyone else kind of pissed most of the weapons are from BFBC1?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
I see a lot of people calling the Beretta 92 series and the Beretta 93 for M92 and M93 respectively, so i decided to put this at the top because i feel it is important: '''THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN M92 OR M93!''' There is one Beretta pistol with an &amp;quot;M&amp;quot; before it's number and that is the M9, which is kinda unique because it's really just a Beretta 92FS made for the US Military and manufactored in the US of A. But remember folks, do not put an M in front of the number of Beretta pistols, unless it's the M9!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Red dot in gameplay==&lt;br /&gt;
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is it based on any real model?&lt;br /&gt;
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       not really, at least they made the ammo count realistic on this one. And they added a customization option so at least they have a little more variety.&lt;br /&gt;
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 I hope weapon damage will be as low as in BC1, because it will take more skill to kill.--[[Special:Contributions/178.92.236.41|178.92.236.41]] 07:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Indeed. The way the weapons were balanced in BC1 was exemplary, and should be carried over to BC2.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's based off of the Russian made Kobra Red Dot Sight.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Demo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, i recently downloaded the xbox demo and i have a few questions: &lt;br /&gt;
1) Can you play as American forces? 2) Can you have any gun other than the AEK-971? 3) And is there any location other than the arctic location? [[user:smish34|smish34]]       &lt;br /&gt;
:::1) yes, there there will be in the full game. I think your a merc in the defenders in the demo, not US. 2) just keep using the AEK you will unlock the XM8. 3) Not in the demo, but there will be jungle and forest maps in the full game--[[User:Sniperinthemist|Sniperinthemist]] 17:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::They're not mercs, they're US Army. Mercenaries don't have A10's or Bradley IFV,&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The M16 in Battlfield: Bad Company is clearly an M16A4. It should be obvious with a close examination of the knobs on the removable carry handle...even more obvious in Bad Company 2 when you put a reflex or ACOG sight on it and the carry handle is removed.&lt;br /&gt;
::M16A2 with A4 upper? What ever.. They'll just call it eM-Sixteen.&lt;br /&gt;
::I am the person who actually uploaded the picture of M16. Somebody left that it was M16A4 so that i just assumed that it is M16A2 because they all fires in burst mod, has detachable carring handle, and so on and on... I just don't know whether it is truly m16a2, or m16a4 yet.... ZZANG1847&lt;br /&gt;
::The M16A4 has the same three-round burst trigger group as the M16A2. The M16A3 is the variant with the full auto trigger group.&lt;br /&gt;
:Definitely an A4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Lowar resivar has M16A2 markings.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&amp;quot;Lower receiver&amp;quot;, you mean. Learn to spell. The image shows a detachable carry handle signified by the round knobs on the right side of the receiver. That's an A4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That link doesn't tell you anything, except that the part on the &amp;quot;M16A2&amp;quot; from BC2 is written by someone who let the game devs tell him/her what to call the weapon, which is fine if you don't really care about it, but that's not the point of this website! The &amp;quot;M16A2&amp;quot; from BC2 has to be an A4 because it's 3-round burst and has the removable carrying handle, even though it uses an old M203 handguard instead of mounting it on rails which the real M16A4 MWS has. The pic at the very top of the link of an M16 in real life, is of an American soldier of some sort, aiming an M16A4 MWS with an ACOG, a flashlight and an AN/PEQ-2 attached to the rail system. That picture alone is probably better for ID'ing the M16 from BC2 than the text is. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Remember this. What the developers do is their business. And if they know NOTHING about guns, that is also their problems. We ID guns here on real world knowledge, not the confirmed knowledge that game developers tell the fans because most of the time the people who make the games don't know a damn thing about guns aside from that they make lots of noise and brass flying around. And I just looked at the image again from the screen cap. It IS more of an A4 because of the removable carrying handle. The A2, yes is burst, but the real world one is a fixed carrying handle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like I said, Mr. Anon: '''Definitely''' an A4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It's not even an M16.  Why? It ejects to the left instead of the right.[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 12:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A lot of rifle systems do have the brass eject to the left for left handed shooters, but this is more of a game designer decision for them because they think brass jumping to the left when the shooter is right handed is &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot;. Sometimes it does bother me when I shoot without aiming down the sight. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sadly we don't get many guns or any attachments on the 360 Demo. no Beta for us you see. And off topic, but can someone lend me an acct so I can register as BC vet to get the F2000 on BC and the Garand on BC2? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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then tell me why the devs tone down the smg of the &amp;quot;assault rifles&amp;quot; in the Smg class, weapons like the scar and ak74su should do much more dmg than an UZI or ump45, but there isnt a major diffrence they are both very weak. why do they do this? because to balance the game, they make it so the Engineer doesnt run around with a rocket launcher and a very powerful primary.&lt;br /&gt;
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:: UMP's damage should be higher.  .45 is about twice the diameter of a 5.56 (.223).  But they mislabeled a lot of things.  Yes, the Scar, XM8C, the AN-91, and the AKS-74u are all assualt class weapons.  The XM8C and the AKS-74u are compact or carbine versions of a bigger gun (XM8 and the AK-74).[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 12:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No the 5.56X45mm Rifle round should be much higher than that of the UMP. there is a reason why a friend of mine's SWAT team students are all switching to short barreled 5.56mm weapons insted of the MP5s they were useing. Looking at the results from testing with Ballistic jell the 5.56mm creates horrible wounds at SMG ranges even with a SMG lenght barrel. Reason being is that unlike the .45 which crushes it's way through a target the 5.56mm tumbles and fragments. Literally X-rays of a 5.56mm round have been described as looking like a snowstorm, it just tears up the target at close range.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Funny thing is that at least with FMJ rounds 9mm and .45ACP have more overpenatration of the materials used in modern housing than a 5.56mm round. As far as the human body goes the 5.56mm has little overpenatration when it comes to modern Law Enforcement bullet designs. As i said I have a buddy who trains SWAT teams and there are alot of practical reasons they are switching from the MP5 to members of the AR15/M16 family. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:43, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Funny thing is 5.56 rounds have been noticed to just punch tiny holes in people.  A .45 round is like getting hit by a truck.  9mm rounds are also quite small and underpowered.&lt;br /&gt;
No what is funny is that in ballistic testing the 5.56X45mm round produces much more impressive wounds than any handgun round unless you use ammunition designed specifically not to fragment. When the 5.56mm round first came out there were countries who though that the 5.56mm round produced horrific wounds due to it's fragmentary properties, at least until the US showed in testing that their 7.62mm NATO rounds acted the same way with a much larger bullet. Look up Fackler and Ballistic testing if you want the facts. Outside of a lab I have heard no complains from my various Military and Medical Professional friends. They all note that Rifle rounds kill better than pistol rounds. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 06:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Go ask your friends or just read up somemore. 5.56 NATO wont fragment when shot from barrel shorter than 18&amp;quot;. So your buddies have just good armor punchers, not stoppers. And not everyday outlaws wear ballistic vests of higher class of protection. Headshots save the day everyday though:)&lt;br /&gt;
::::My friends use M4 carbines on live humans with and without body armor. I'll trust their judgement on the reason some of them happily turned in their M16A4 for an M4 carbine. I personally have used 5.56mm weapons down to 7 1/2 inches of barrel and there has been no problem with varmit control. Still the poster below me is right to say that to accuratly portray ballistic damage in a game would take something along the lines of a supercomputer programmed by a physics PHD pool and decades of study. Hell People are still trying to figure out the fine details about how bullets cause injury outside of just punching a hole in things.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 5.56 (NATO, at least) is a full metal jacketed round, so it's got significant penetrating power. It's also much sharper. It's main advantage, though, is it's velocity. Yes, it's true, the 5.56 is a small round, but that round is fired with around 1700 joules of force, while a general .45 ACP has between 400-700 joules of force. Federal Premium .45 rounds have 559 J of force. It's also true that 5.56 tends to tumble and create shredding wounds, but one of the main criticisms of the round is that it does so predictably. We can't use that example as reliably as we are. Just remember that the 5.56 fires 3 times as fast as a .45. You two are arguing about the &amp;quot;power&amp;quot; of the round, however. It's not really possible to create a single damage statistic for a bullet in a game and speak of realism. 5.56 rounds have been known to wound grievously, but not literally knock down targets as effectively as other rounds. A pistol round, while bigger, will not necessarily leave more effective wounds, but in some cases, that &amp;quot;stopping power&amp;quot; is more valued than the ability to wound. Now all the of the game's rounds, save some sniper and machine gun rounds, do not have bullet drop. This eliminates the biggest advantage of mid-size or full-size rounds over pistol rounds. Not only that, but all bullets travel at the same velocity in-game. Therefore arguing about a damage statistic would be difficult as you have to factor in many, many different facets of ballistics that simply aren't present in-game.--[[User:Strategos|Strategos]] 01:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember penetrating power =/= brute force.  During WWII, some Japanese soldiers would be hyped on painkillers, and the M1 would punch tiny holes, while a Thompson or a M1911 would knock them flat on their rear.  Programming the tumbling factor in a game would be too hard to do, so wouldn't a lead weight do more damage than a needle?  [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
They cannot properly replicate the terminal ballistics but they can demonstraite the fact that Rifles and Rifle rounds kill things better than Pistols or pistol rounds through programed damage. As far as any pistol round knocking someone flat that is impossible to do through physics or it would have knocked over the person with the Thompson or M1911. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 04:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:being knocked over is basically dieing.  The standard green tip 5.56 tears through people, only leaving a hole.  For instance, if you have read Black Hawk Down, most of the Rangers remember that it took like 5 to 6 rounds just to kill a man, or knock him down for a moment.  A .45 generally kills within the first 2~3 shots. [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Many stories of that came out of Somalia.  I've heard stories of a D-boy who engaged a target twice in the chest with his rifle with the green tipped ammo, turned away for a second, turned back and engaged it again, and repeated this TWICE MORE.  After that, he engaged the target with his sidearm and that seemed to do the trick.  Moral of the story?  Ammunition made for shooting armored targets doesn't work well on unarmored.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 11:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
While i am removing the blatantly racist comment the poster was right when they said that the Clan gunmen were high on a local form of Methamphetamine. What would normally have someone crawl off to bleed out somewhere had less effect than it should have. With people high on drugs unless you hit the CNS or they bleed out a hostile can still fight long past when they should have dropped. There are recorded cases of Iraqi insurgents takeing point blank bursts from the M240 on a bradley and still fighting. Thankfully in Somalia the Warlords did not have modern drugs in their systems.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 21:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That 'local meth' is called qat.  Commonly pronounced like 'cot'.  In Somalia, it's basically the national dish.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 11:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I remembered the drug thing right after I posted it, but even in Japan it worked that way, occasionaly...[[Special:Contributions/70.149.50.57|70.149.50.57]] 00:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lefty side brass flying ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When I play Modern Warfare 2, it is good and the brass ejecting is on the correct side. I still don't see why some games like Bad Company would put the brass ejection on the otherside. It's even stupid for the M16 because the forward assist is on the right side while the shells eject from the left [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It looks good and that's it. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 12:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's probably because they made it so that the gun takes up most of the bottom right of the screen, meaning if the ejections were on the correct side, they would not be visible unlike in CoD:MW2.  They probably put it on the left side to A) not waste an animation of the gun cycling/shells ejecting by putting it on a side that no one will see due to the size of the gun and B) so that people can see and have another visual indication that they're firing (other than the flash of the gun and the people in front of them dying).  In MW2 the guns size is small enough to be able to see the brass ejecting on the correct side.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not so much that the ejection port's on the wrong side, it's that (almost) all the guns in game are completely mirrored. While it is odd, as &amp;quot;Gunkatas&amp;quot; pointed out it's probably to look cool and the other things that I'm not going to retype. What is interesting is that on the M16 (maybe others but that's the one I can think of off the top of my head) your character does hit the (now moved) mag release with his thumb as he pulls out the mag. So even though they mirrored it, they changed the animation accordingly, nice touch... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I havent seen vids of the new M16 in the game, but does the character tap the forward assist when he reloads? If he does, is the forward assist on the other side [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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No you rack the action when you reload, there's only one reload animation for everything, not mid-mag and empty ones like in Call Of Duty, sadly on most of the other guns, well, ARs and SMGs mainly, you never chamber the gun, just change mags. Oh and I just checked a video, there actually isn't a forward assist at all. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing is that in the cut scenes, Marlo, the guy you play, has his XM8 with the shells ejecting from the left while the 2 other guys on the team with XM8s got theirs the right side. Then suddenly in another cutscene, the hole is on the RIGHT side![[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I've noticed some guns do eject to the left.  It is correct, as many of the guns are ambidextrous.  While it should be configured for a right handed person (in game they use the left handed set-ups) so you don't get hit in the face. But the XM8, the Scar, and other guns, in real life, can be set up to eject the shell to the right. [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I am not saying that they CAN'T be switched to eject from the left and right, but the fact that it IS ejecting to the left when the user is right handed. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I recently unlocked the M16, and yea they Majorly messed up...NEVER have I even HEARD of a real M16 ejecting to the left, damn thing was never meant to be an ambi gun.[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone think the cover of the game is like a joke to MW2 since it's almost the same. A soldier with his M16/M4 platform in his right hand walking away. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Bad Co 1 didn't, why this would? Games are very similar, by the yay. Good thing it's for PC.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Well the 100 health bar is gone, weapons do more damage, weapons have realistic capacities, vehicles and maps are balanced, new engine allows for 90 percent destructibility [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Page Revamp ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page should be revamped as it contains a lot of shitty stuffs put by those anons.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 07:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LIGHTHOUSE and othertings ==&lt;br /&gt;
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also i am really looking foward to the 4 guys from the first game being brought back, cant wait to preorder this . and when do i get the weapons, are they pre-loaded the on the game, sent to you by email or is there a code in the box when you get the game--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 12:33, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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wow... you are gonna try to steal his code? nice try jackass... --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.20.249|184.35.20.249]] 17:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Just for the lulz, dood.&lt;br /&gt;
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ok i'll letyou see...here we go...i'll give it to you now...F**K YOU. just joking i wouldnt do it anyway, and i havent got it so thats why i asked--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 18:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AEK-971 early prototype - why? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Because it looks cooler, and because DICE can [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Well yes it does Mr. Anonymous, I think it looks pretty good. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::*Throws up* Jesus! That barely looks like an AK! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's an M93R, you can tell by the frame mounted safety [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The saftey is slide mounted in the image,just look at the pic, it's a modded M9, plus the grips are wrong, 93r grips differ from the M9's these dont - Capain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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:alright then, seems another game fails at making M93Rs (this and MW2)[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Piece in game has compensated barrel, folding forward grip, 3-round burst. -- It's Raffica variant, by all means not modded 92.&lt;br /&gt;
:::What the heck is a &amp;quot;Raffica&amp;quot; variant?  I know quite a bit about Beretta pistols, and I've never heard of any Raffica variant anywhere outside of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (and let's be quite honest, it was named that way to avoid copyright infringement). --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Then you should know that Berettas are Italian weapons. Try to open Italian-English dictionary. In designation M93R, &amp;quot;R&amp;quot; stands for &amp;quot;Raffica&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yes, but it has 92 grips and a 92 slide mounted safety. It's easy to get the compensator, grip and even burst mod onto a 92, but switching the safety is another thing entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing you are new to this site, This site goes by what the weapon looks like when it comes to video games, not specifications like its name in game. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:27, 4 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Indeed, and by IMFDB standards, that gun my friend is a modified Beretta 92, most likely an SB by the rounded trigger guard [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you, clearly a 92, just cus it swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, doesnt mean it actually is a duck. Its clearly lazy production design down to already havin a m9 skin for the pistols and doing a few adjustments rather than digitally designing a whole new pistol - captain snikt. (Oh and yes raffica is italian for burst, but the calling a 93r a raffica varient just reeks of COD over genuine knowledge.)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Indeed. The designers probably took the M9 skin, stuck a foregrip and extended mag on it, and they have their own not-really-a-Raffica. It is sloppy on their parts though, shame on you DICE! So I just unlocked it today, and it turns out the model you use in the game doesn't even have a foregrip! It just looks like a 92 with an extended mag! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yessir, I think it's kind of cheap when you take a Beretta M9, Inox it, give it a high cap mag and call it an M93R, that's cheap game design. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Just look at the 93R and Glock 18 in MW2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By that you mean the modded 92 and the modded Glock 17 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 21:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:My point exactly [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Indeed, both of them are simply semi auto handguns with a few bits tacked on to make them look legit, but us gun people know the difference. When I saw the G18 especially, I asked &amp;quot;Where's the selector?&amp;quot; [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::In Cod I remember a selector switch on the G18's slide...&lt;br /&gt;
Wow, you remember wrong! No selector as its a 17, as the grips are also olive drab, which isnt available on the 18--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Let's just pretend that switch is on the right side if the slide, ok. And game set in the future so od finish might be possible.&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, you go ahead and pretend, while the rest of us work on what's actually there in front of us so we can accurate do our jobs right [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Dude, th selector isn't on the right side as when your weilding the gun in your left hand (either akimbo or on the snowmobile) you see there is still no selector. Why dont we just pretend the magic fairies made it a Glock 18. And sign your posts, I wanna know who I'm proving wrong --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Curse you anonymous users! Anyways, yeah, we're not going to just lie and say it's a Glock 18 for the hell of it. We get our guns corect on this site, and if you wanna be correct, the M39R in MW2 and BC2 is a 92, and the Glock 18 is a Glock 17, end of story. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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You can get a Glock 18 with a OD grip, check out team glocks website, you can even get a coyote tan frame. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes, but I doubt Brazilian militia and such would have them sold the them by Glock. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Not by Glock, but by black market dealers. The only question is the price. But those militian coons have converted G17s anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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:And on the 1887s, you better hope those are Uberti or Norinco replicas. Original 1887s and even 1901s are EXTREMELY RARE, and sawing the barrel and stock of one would be like cutting the feet and head off your child, just WRONG! Especially considering it's in the hands of useless Brazilian militants who just get it taken and used against them by a Canadian teenager (yours truly) in the game. I like to call it Vintage Shotgun Rain. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== What the heck is the M1 Garand? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It doesn't look like the M1, Is it a error on the designers part or is it another gun that the designer thought was the M1 Garand. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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~Uh, the Garand in BC2 looks like the M1 Garand to me mate [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::  Yeah, look at both pictures and try to find at least 5 differences. Either that is one of M1 prototypes or modeler got too much freedom and mixed M1903 or this[http://media.photobucket.com/image/m1%20garand%20prototype/Kotsoor/GarandM1921.jpg]with M1.&lt;br /&gt;
::Shit, your right, that looks like a cross between a Garand and 1903 with a magazine that goes in the bottom, odd thing isn't it? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
Isn't that supposed to be a Type 5 (Japanese Garand)? It's used by the Japanese in the first single player mission and it has Japanese coat of arms on the receiver.&lt;br /&gt;
:I think you just got it mate. When I saw it in the first mission with the lighter wood on the stock, I figured it might be that Japanese Garand copy that they only made like 7 of. Also, can anyone help me with this: When I go to register my BC2 on BF Vets, i click on it and it doesn't let me enter my GT, the little window to put your GT in doesn't come up, what do I do? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Gimme your GT, i'll try it for you.&lt;br /&gt;
No, that's not Type 5. It was exact copy of M1 except calibre, magazine(10 round integral mag vs 8 round en-bloc in Garand's rifle) and shape of sights. Japs assembled ~250. More parts were made though. The most sticking-out difference between in-game weapon and real M1 is gas-block and shorter piston pipe. Also, i just noticed, jap &amp;quot;Garand&amp;quot; in game uses that same en-bloc clips as M1 instead of being loaded by 2 stripper-clips.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's what bothered me during the first mission. All the Japanese had M1 Garands. We can assumed they might have captured US weapons cause they are better than their own rifles, but they all have the Imperial Japanese emblem on the rifle. This was just weird to me until I researched that the Japanese did make a copy of the M1, but in so many numbers like this is somewhat strange. It is the first appearance of the Japanese M1 copy in a game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::No, Japanese garands were present in other BF games. And weapon in game is indeed an M1 Garand with Imperial Seal on it and swapped rear sight.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::so it's a mish mash of a Garand and Type 5? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::I just realized that the &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; on the bottom is actually the Trigger housing for the M1 Garand.  The only thing is, Dice made it slanted rather than flat...[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]]&lt;br /&gt;
:How do you screw up making an M1 Garand for a game? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:: Well the in game model looks fine, just whoever drew or designed the picture for the weapons screen needs his eyes checked. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It is kinda unlikely at all for the Japanese conservatives to impliment a semi auto rifle to compete with the US during the war. They were really old school and really believe the guns they had used beating the Russians and Chinese were good enough against the USA. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::With their Arisakas they were just gettin' PWNED ANALY too badly by US forces with M1s. That made them shit on their &amp;quot;conservatism&amp;quot; and shamelessly copy Garand's rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
:Them shamelessly copying the Garand was a step up for their current weapons. If these M1 copies were in full production, they might have started to have a chance against the US, that and if they had more SMGs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::wouldn't have helpped much, take their &amp;quot;armor&amp;quot; for example&lt;br /&gt;
:The Japanese had Armor? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
Also, they didn't screw up with the M1, they got &amp;quot;lazy&amp;quot; again, and just used the Type 5.&lt;br /&gt;
@Excalibur They had &amp;quot;armor&amp;quot; to an extent, and it was trash.  Basically tin cans with guns.&lt;br /&gt;
::US Shermans wasn't much better either.&lt;br /&gt;
:You didn't get my joke. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::The US shermans were LEAPS and BOUNDs better than the Japanese garbage.  They may have not have been as nice as Panzers, but they were a generals dream.  Cheap, easy to mass produce, and effective en masse. [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 16:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, in bundle with expendable crews..&lt;br /&gt;
It's possible that this weapon is some sort of Franken-gun. It definitely doesn't look like a Garand but it's function is different than a Type 5. A possibility exists that the developers simply heard of a Japanese copy of the Garand but didn't really know about its operating principles. It wouldn't be the first time a video game didn't know how a gun works - Mauser Fox&lt;br /&gt;
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== Proper reload animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
What keeping game developers from making weapons in game function authentically to their real-life counterparts? Is that lack of info or dontgiveashitaboutitwillsellanyway or something else?&lt;br /&gt;
: I would say &amp;quot;dontgiveashitaboutitwillsellanyway&amp;quot;--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.22.254|184.35.22.254]] 00:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The reload animation or lack of sometimes. A lot of the guns, when you are empty, you reload mag and just continued firing without pressing on any release or racking the charging handle, but the handguns, the slide doesnt lock back when empty and you rack the slide in mid reloads [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:not to mention when you reload the Thompson mid-mag, you always lock back the bolt, which would eject the round that would be in the chmaber with a mid-mag reload. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Tommy gun fires from an open bolt, if you forget. Bolt shouldn't be in forward position. What wrong is that when you reload mid-mag bolt locks forward, but no shot follows it(looks like a misfire, but a misfire everytime! C'mon..) , then you reload fresh magazine and rack the charging handle back with spent cartridge casing ejecting in meantime.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, well that makes sense, but in BC2 it just looks like he locks it back from the forward position. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yas, they have only one animation, and that is for empty mag reload. Why it looks strange when you reload mid-mag i already noted above.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Yessir, racking the slide or bolt on a gun when reloading even mid-mag is just cheap game design, cool looking yes, practical no. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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same with the beretta 92. you empty the mag load a new one then pull back the chamber instead of releasing the chamber--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, also, the servers today were down, and they've been messed up lately, DICE really needs to work on them. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I am curious as to why the M16A4 is the only Assault Rifle to feature a charging handle animation ? G36Ghost&lt;br /&gt;
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== In game pictures? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone get some high quality In-game pictures of the weapons?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would, but currently all my capture stuff on in the epic fail section of things I own, so no go from me [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Server Fail? ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem, but when I backed out to the menu to join a squad today, when I checked my weapons and gadgets I had nothing unlocked, the only guns that even showed up were the default ones, and I was rank 1, yet my dogtags and scoreboard placing was still there, I also saw on EAs twitter that this problem has been widely reported, so has this happened to anyone else? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::You just answered your question yourself.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I may have, but I mostly wanna know now if anyone had this problem and if it's been fixed? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::It's fixed. But you gotta start unlocking everything again.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Your kidding me! Those idiots just lost me 17 hours of gameplay, unlocks and weapon stars, and they can't even restore it? Now I'm pissed, I think DICE and EA owe everyone who lost their unlocks something. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::They don't own you anything. You already bought their game.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Yes, and the proceeded to basically ERASE 17 HOURS of gameplay and unlocks, that's complete and utter bullshit (pardon my french). [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Some times i'll join a game and it'll show me not having anything, but after sitting there  yelling angerly it eventualy shows my stuff.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.22.254|184.35.22.254]] 03:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::The same thing happened to be, I went on earlier, and all my shit was back again, so I guess EA must have fixed it, but to anyone who loses their stuff for good, that sucks amigos. Meanwhile, time to continue my &amp;quot;Quest for the VSS&amp;quot; [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::It's pretty fun to use. even when you don't feel like sniping you can just stap the red dot on it and use it like a VAL.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.22.254|184.35.22.254]] 06:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::9A-91 ~ AS. VSS is weak for CQC. Even SVU with RDS would be better. Heavy bullet of 9x39 cartridge flies by very curved trajectory - about 1m drop on 200m. Did devs got it correct?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::They got the drop about right.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.22.254|184.35.22.254]] 16:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I plan to use it as a Val stand it, as it seems pretty weak for sniping. When I wanna properly snipe, I go for the GOL or the M95. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From in game pics isn't it the WWI model and not the A1?&lt;br /&gt;
It has the shortened ejection port...&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, and Beretta 93R is 92, and M1 Garand is miscarriage of m1903 and so on... Blame it on dontgiveashit &amp;quot;creative&amp;quot; modelers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Thing is, the game doesn't list the M1911 as the A1 variant, and it properly portrays the M1911.  The M1 is quite accurate with the exception of the bottom mag.  The M93R is a M93R, just silvered and the grip is folded up.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Wrong completely on the M93R. The in game model has NO foregrip, not to mention a slide mounted safety and 92 grips. The designers literally took the M9 from the game, stuck a burst mode, silver finish and 20 round mag on it, and called it an 93R. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to agree with mr nameless on the .45 i think it should be changed to just 1911, but dude, look abve at the 93r section, its an M9, what the hell is silvered by the way lol - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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== Differences? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So I keep hearing that this game is amazing, but I've never played it, or any of the other games in the series. The only multiplayer FPSs I have on my console are Halo 3, and Modern Warfare 2. I'm thinking about getting this game, but can someone explain to me how the gameplay is different from MW2? Like, how experience, attachments, various equipment, and such is different? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:-It's ALL about teamplay. Wanna win -- gotta help the common good. Although,you can play lonewofl if you watch so much.&lt;br /&gt;
:-There are less weapon customisation. Only scopes and GLs. Weapon arsenal is more &amp;quot;realistic&amp;quot;(imao)&lt;br /&gt;
:-Much bigger maps than MW2. &lt;br /&gt;
:-Vehicles.&lt;br /&gt;
:-MW2 vs. BFBC2? Both good.&lt;br /&gt;
:-If you enjoy military FPS games, you definitely need to check it out.&lt;br /&gt;
:-Watch some reviews.&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, I'll probably get it. Still, less weapon customization makes me sad, and vehicles I'm kinda iffy about, but I'm glad that it's more team based. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 17:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not a whole lot of options for perks like MW2. People are harder to kill. You can blow up buildings completely to get rid of campers. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For the singleplayer aspect, I do highly recommending playing the first Bad Company to get to know the characters in the story. BC2's story isn't as funny as the first one. They left out a lot of humor for this whole seriousness mood. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Eh, seriousness has it's upsides. And is every building in the map completely destructible? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 19:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just about, and it helps in MP, because M-COM stations can be collapsed instead of blown up, so that can be a good alternative. Also, I agree that story was less humorous, not to mention no &amp;quot;Rainbow Sprinkles&amp;quot; ad this time! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Another great tactic a friend and I have employed is to collapse buildings where snipers often hide, and to basically use mortart strikes to open the walls of building containing M-COM stations and other objectives.  A friend and I, working as a two sniper team, managed about 50 kills last night without moving, simply because, with the SPOT perk, we were illuminating targets for people closer to them (and getting that sweet 20 points for basically looking in the right direction). --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 11:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I love those trailers of the first one. Rainbow Sprinkles, Bad World, and the Metal Gear Solid one. I also remember one where the camera guy talks and pisses them off. It was an early trailer [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The singleplayer story (Spoiler) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone who has played the singleplayer of the first Bad Company and then played this one scratching their heads? I assume this is a sequel, story wise. At the end of the first story the team rides off with a truck full of gold. And at the start of BC2, they are back in the fight and never mentioned their score of gold at all...Is there supposed to be an explanation for that? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Probably spent it all on whores and booze.&lt;br /&gt;
:::That's what I would do if I somehow procured lots of gold. Oh, and new guns, too. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 19:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think it acts like teh first game didn't happen, much.&lt;br /&gt;
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well they dissapeared in themiddle of a war-zone after going AWOL dont you think they would be either kicked out or in jail?, also i havent played it but is ti still funny like the first with the cool music in carsand stuff like that? [[user:smish34|smish34]]&lt;br /&gt;
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No actually its suposed to take place inbetween the first BC mission and the invassion if the neutral country of something-stan[[User:Gunner|Gunner]] 00:49, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:If thats so, then why are you still FNG?[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 17:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Same reason because most guns eject to the left in this game&lt;br /&gt;
Marlowe isn't an FNG, the reason the guys depend on him so much is because of his &amp;quot;well-roundedness.&amp;quot; Sarge-Sarge, Haggard-Rifleman, Sweetwater-Support Gunner, Marlowe-Grenadier [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 14:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sarge and Haggard also have grenade launchers on their rifles, so Marlowe can't be the Grenadier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::He has more grenades in him and actually knows how to use that luncha properly.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's because DICE didnt work on their AI to use their launchers [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::That doesn't change anything. Marlow is a grenadier.&lt;br /&gt;
::If you go by the fact they have Nade launchers, then everyone carrying an assault rifle is a grenadier.  And since Marlowe is the only one to actually use his, he IS the grenadier. [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 17:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well that's because you, the player, ARE Marlowe. It's kinda stupid for you NOT to use the grenade launcher [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Of course you use it, but the AI never uses it.  They're riflemen because all they use is their rifle, otherwise they &amp;quot;could be&amp;quot; a grenadier.  [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::So what? They have lauchers on their weapons means they possibly could use it. Otherwise they wouldn't have it. They all're Grenadiers. Or you can call them storm\trupers, if you like so.&lt;br /&gt;
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:What if you never use your Launcher throughout the entire game? Maybe I relied on my ingenuity and awesomeness? In that case, Marlowe is by no means the grenadier.&lt;br /&gt;
::The nade launchers are on ALL the assualt rifles.  Does that make everyone a grenadier? NO.   [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 14:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Every rifle not supposed to have nubtube. So blame it on the DICE.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you let the A1 chat amongst themselves Sweetwater and Haggard mention that they never made it over the border before loosing the gold and getting roped back in. And Haggard isnt a rifle man he is the demolitions expert - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one who was annoyed about this game not being funny like the first game? - DM&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't remember much of the single player of the first game. The biggest thing that irks me is that the conversations that your team have amongst each other. Those are really funny but, at least on the 360 version, the volume is so low on them that you can't really hear them. [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== rex and m14 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:Let's not forget despite claims of a 20 round magazine, the EBR in game only has a 10 round magazine. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I find that the lack of a 20 round magazine and being unable to put a sight on it has ruined the gun for me. I was looking forward to using a ACOG with it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Indeed, 10 round mags and not even Red Dot capable did it in for me. It's alright, but I prefer a proper AR. I heard the G3 was better, considering it has the epic HK sights, a 20 round magazine, and full auto fire. Though I noticed what I think is a glitch. Despite the weapon page in game saying it's unlocked at Rank 26, I've seen guys Rank 23 and 24 with them, and not as a stolen kit. What I believe now is you actually get it at Rank 22, which is Warrant Officer, why it's messed i the weapon screen is beyond me. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The M24 apparently was originally chambered for 30-06 MAGNUM, I got to get me one of those. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey I hate to say this but some of the guns described here are only in Badcompany not badcompany 2 some of them are able to transfer over for multiplayer only not everysingle one. I don't have a full list of the ones that can't transfer over but I'll get one[[User:Gunner|Gunner]] 00:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I can confirm that all guns listed on the Bad Company 2 page are in the game.  I have unlocked all the guns in Multiplayer except for the Garand (don't have Battlefield 1943) and the UMP (working on that one).--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bullshit descriptions ==&lt;br /&gt;
What a n00b wrote those descriptions in weapon menu screen&lt;br /&gt;
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:I dunno, details? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I dunno either.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Don't take it so seriously, it's just flavor text in a video game.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Screenshots ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I will be putting up screenshots of the weapons soon.  G3 is already up.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 08:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Can you make them any smaller?  They're flippin' HUGE!  The raw pics take up a lot of space. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I'll try, but all I do is just push the print screen button during gameplay and put it into Paint (Current Res 1680 x 1050).  I'll try to shrink it before putting it up.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Use Fraps instead. Also Irfanview can batch process images to shrink/convert them into differnet file formats&lt;br /&gt;
Added HK 416.  Reduced the size by about 1/2.  If it is still too large, I will put up smaller ones.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Add more juicy screenshots&lt;br /&gt;
Added PP-2000.  Was planning on adding the tracer dart gun, AT4, and possibly the 1911 but EA servers are dead again.  *sigh* Will put them up when servers are working again.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Can't you start up LAN host? Or get screens from single player. Get Garand, Type 100, TOZ shotty screens, would you.&lt;br /&gt;
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Couldn't sleep for some reason so I got the Garand, Type 100, TOZ and Browning 1919 from the single player. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Added Tracer Gun.  The reason that one looks better than the other ones is because I used an actual photo editing program I forgot I had to resize it from 1680x1050 to 800x500 instead of resizing it by eye in MS paint.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::You can resize by percent in Paint.&lt;br /&gt;
:If it's possible please add ego view screenshots for all weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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Below is an unknown MGL encountered in singlplayer.  If anyone can identify and put it up on the main page, much appreciated.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Possibly fantasy gun.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have added a whole bunch of weapon screenshots tonight.  AEK-971, QBU-88, SCAR-L, and AG-36 reload animation are new, added further screens of TOZ (the one I put up initially was crap, feel free to take it down if you want to), and MG36 and XM8 in single player.  If there are specific weapons you want a screenshot taken of, request it here.  I will eventually put them all up, but will put an emphasis on requests.  Finals are over and I got the summer ahead of me.  (Also, thanks to whoever caught my mistakes of putting the AUG screenshots under the F2000) --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 06:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hardcore mode? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the descriptions, it says that the MG36's optic has issues on hardcore, is there a hardcore mode similar to CoD4s?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes.  It removes all HUD items except for the current ticket count of the attackers (# of respawns left until end of round) and the field of view of current allies and marked enemies.  No minimap, no ammo count.  Health is reduced by 1/2.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Is this CoD4 inspired?&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I'm a big MG36 user, and I can confirm the above. The Red Dot that's built into the MH36 doesn't show up on Hard Core mode, you just aim down an empty circle, basically MW2 EMP style. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::They tried to make it real hardcore. Are bullets at least flying straight?&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, but they drop over distance.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Does all bullets have the same drop?&lt;br /&gt;
Only Snipers drop, and the M95 is the worst[[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 16:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Probably.  The only time I've been able to notice the drop is when I'm sniping.  Otherwise, it's just guesswork.  At medium-long ranges, the only time I ever try to kill someone is with the M60 w/ 4x scope.  Makes a great EBR if you do single shot.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Is AyCOG really magnifies 4 times or its the same CoD bullshit?&lt;br /&gt;
::Not sure.  It zooms in more than the red dot sight but more than likely it just increases the accuracy setting on the gun.  This is just a guess though.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you put Red dot or ACOG on any sniper rifle, the rounds won't drop at all, it's very convient for CQB. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 15:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Attachment ==&lt;br /&gt;
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At least BC2 was more to details to correct GL attachment than MW2. Most of the rifles have accurate attachments [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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AG36 is correct, yes. What else?&lt;br /&gt;
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The F2000's GL is correct. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Yea, rite.. What else? That's it.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well the AUG, M16 and M416 are all designed for the M203, the F2000 has it's ELGM, the XM8 the AG36 and the AN-94 and AEK have their GP-25s, so they got it all right. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Tha fakt tha thei din get thei gunz tu ejec to prope side overweighghs al correc attachmens. Aso thei koold throw in EOTech sight, and it koult bi placez on NATO raifles.&lt;br /&gt;
:::The switched ejection was done for aesthetic purposes. The weapons take up a lot of space on the right side of the screen, and the developers wanted to have empty casings flying out of the gun to be visible to the firer. And yes, EOTechs would be nice, but you can't have everything. And please learn the language. It's not particularily difficult. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yas, bat whai zen haf ofza ganz extrak tu tha righgh az it suposd tuu (VSS,AEK,G3 fo exmpl)?&lt;br /&gt;
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^&lt;br /&gt;
What the hell? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:18, 3 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I know English can be a hard thing to grasp for other nations, but please try to learn, otherwise use a translation program. But if you are 10 years old...learn some english still [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In singleplayer (and i'm guessing multiplayer), the sight for the GL on the F2000 is shown to be on the right side of the gun.  Is this correct?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 08:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== browning M2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
 why is there no browning M2 on this page it is bounted on top of the abramas tank --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe because there is no Abrams tank on this page..&lt;br /&gt;
the american tank '''in the game''' has a browning M2 on it.&lt;br /&gt;
::Then go take a '''screenshot''' of the tank and add it to the page.&lt;br /&gt;
I cant it wont work&lt;br /&gt;
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== More pistols ==&lt;br /&gt;
Do you feel sometimes that all the sidearms are crappy? Well I do and its annoying! There should be some high damage medium accuracy and low fire rate pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
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You must be just using the M9. The 1911 and the revolver are much better. --[[User:Hammerbrute|Hammerbrute]] 14:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No i´m using the 1911 and i have used the revolver(So crappy can´t remember it´s name).&lt;br /&gt;
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Umm, the pistols aren't that bad, they're not meant to be primarys, they're something to use when you run out of ammo for your primary, or when walking around and as a means of defense as a sniper. They're well represented in game as how good they should be in relation to everything else. And the 1911 and MP-412 are both high damage, medium (good actually) accuracy, low rate of fire pistols. The MP-443 is low damage, medium accuracy, high rate of fire, and the M9 is medium damage, medium accuracy, medium rate of fire (good all around). The M93R is kind of odd in game, but other than that you've got good pistols for one side or the other. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I've seen videos when people use the M93 and it seems most of the time they just dump the mag without any good results.--[[Special:Contributions/66.30.50.180|66.30.50.180]] 02:27, 3 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yea... that's what I meant by odd. It kinda pisses me off when a game gives a gun that is the same calibre as another lower damage because it has a higher rate of fire. I say let the uncontrollability balance the gun... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The following [[http://denkirson.xanga.com/722757523/bad-company-2/ Link]] gives a spread sheet stating the damage done, damage done over distance, accuracy, spread, reload speed, blast radius, health and much more on each vehicle, item, and weapon in Bad Company 2 Multiplayer.  This info is taken from the PC version of the game and is up to date as of the R7/R10 updates. He should update if anything significant changes.  It is quite encompassing.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Nambu pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During operation Aurora (first campaign mission) I noticed that the scientist uses what looks like a nambu type 14, but almost never fires it. Go up to him during gameplay and you'll see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd Gun choices ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since this is a website populated by fellow gun enthusiasts, I'll bite. Why the hell do we see US troops in the single-player campaign armed with XM8s and Vietnam-vintage M60E1's? And why are the Russian soldiers that you face armed with Carl Gustavs, Barrett sniper rifles, and Chinese SAWs and grenade launchers? This is even worse than Modern Warfare 2 when you take into account that A) Bad Company 1 got appropriate weapons right and B) guns such as RPG-7s, M16s, and the like are already fully implemented in game? It's just something that bugs me... - DerKrieger&lt;br /&gt;
:Because it's a very actiony game.&lt;br /&gt;
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They really don't care about the weapons anymore. I think with the dawn of the Cod4 era, people stopped seeing guns as tools of war/utility and started seeing them as playing cards to trade with friends. Also, it's just a progression from BC1; EVERY GUN in that game had incorrect capacities and almost EVERY gun ejected left-handed, even though the characters are all right-eye dominant and hold the weapons in their right hands. It's like BLACK, with its useless RIS rails and the like. &lt;br /&gt;
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Action-shooters and their glorification of ignorance. &amp;quot;Who cares how it functions or looks if it goes bang? Looks like that awesome .50 cal, right?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ffs.&lt;br /&gt;
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And just in case someone disagrees, it's just an opinion. Probably going to get deleted anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's all for the sake of gameplay. They choose exotic weapons because 1. They provide different enough appearances and silhouettes for quick player identification at range. 2. It makes the weapons actually different; if they were trying to be realistic with who uses which guns then all of the guns would be 5.56 assault rifles with 750-900 rpm. They need to make the weapons functionally different, otherwise all the guns would be too similar, so what'd be the point if there are essentially ten copies of the same gun?&lt;br /&gt;
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It isn't glorifying ignorance, it's just good game design. And for the record, the reason why everything has rails on it now is because it's an easy and effective method for 3d artists to put more detail on the gun models, so the players have more eye candy. --[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Battlefield series has never been about realism, that's why they take liberties with the guns that are used. I think it's also for the sake of variety, you see M16s, AK-47s, and RPG-7s in EVERY modern combat game out there. With a game like Battlefield, where it's expected that they aren't intensive about their gun realism, I like to see guns that haven't been used 100 times before. I understand where you're coming from though, I disliked the lack of gun accuracy in the past 2 Call of Duty games, but it was more of a disappointment for me, because I expected the game to have a degree of authenticity when it comes to that.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vietnam Expansion. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's going to be a Vietnam expansion for Bad Company 2 as a DLC.  Since it's going to be so different should there be a new page for it or just add it to the current one because it's a DLC?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 06:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Well, it would be better to add this to original Game page :) --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 11:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:When I saw the trailer for the expansion, I blew a load. I mean, a superb FPS getting a Vietnam expansion? There is a god man! Also, the trailer itself is plainly epic, look it up! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== unknown gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
ok there is a HMG mountied on the russian T-90 tank in this game does any one know what it is also give me a second and i will post the pick off it --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 17:06, 16 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:T-90imfdb.png|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
I shrunk the size of your pic.  There's no need to display the full size in the discussion, put it as a thumbnail.  People can click on the picture to get the full size. Anyways, I don't know what it is.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 23:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
 sorry i put it bigger so it would be easyer to tell what the gun was --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 11:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Returning Guns in Vietnam Expansion ==&lt;br /&gt;
Should we add the guns returning in the Vietnam Expansion (like the Uzi) in the extended page or just add to the original games page? --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 23:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I say we put it in the extended page, much like how there were subheading in the new MoH game for single player and multiplayer.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 870MCS/SPAS-12 ==&lt;br /&gt;
What is the diff between the SPAS-12 and the 870MCS in game exactly, besides the look, because i unlocked it yesterday and used it, and i didn't really see a diff between that and the 870MCS, same mag tube size, same damage, same accuracy. If there's any difference it'd have to be that you pump the SPAS-12 quicker...[[Special:Contributions/87.50.56.228|87.50.56.228]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>The Mummy Returns</title>
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&lt;div&gt;'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[Mummy Returns, The|The Mummy Returns]]'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mummy_Returns-Poster.jpg|300px|right|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pistols ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Luger P08 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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A pistol used by the cultists is the [[Luger P08]]. It is most notably seen in the firefight that ensues after Rick ([[Brendan Fraser]]) rescues Evie ([[Rachel Weisz]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|450px|thumb|none|P08 Luger Pistol - 9x19 mm Para]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Luger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shafek ([[Quill Roberts]]) fires a [[Luger P08]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Mauser C96 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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During the firefight that results after Rick saves Evie, Lock-Nah ([[Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje]]) grabs a pair of [[Mauser C96]]s and uses them to fire at Ardeth Bay ([[Oded Fehr]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mauser_c96_bolo.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mauser C96 Short Barreled &amp;quot;Bolo&amp;quot; Model - 7.63x25mm Mauser]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Mauser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lock-Nah unloads twin [[Mauser C96]]s, eyes firmly closed]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Mauser2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of Lock-Nah's [[Mauser C96]]s]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Colt M1911A1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick ([[Brendan Fraser]]) carries two [[M1911 pistol#M1911A1|M1911A1]]s throughout the film. He also hands one of his pistols to Evie ([[Rachel Weisz]]) during the firefight at the museum. If you watch closely it can be noted that she fires the gun even after the slide has locked back.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Rick hands Evie an [[M1911 pistol#M1911A1|M1911A1]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Evie_with_Colt_M1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Evie with Colt M1911]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Military &amp;amp; Police ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Red ([[Bruce Byron]]), one of the mercenaries, carries a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Military &amp;amp; Police]] with a 4&amp;quot; barrel.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Swvctryr.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Military And Police - .38 Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Revolver.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Red ([[Bruce Byron]]) with his Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Military And Police]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===FN Hi-Power===&lt;br /&gt;
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Red ([[Bruce Byron]]), one of the mercenaries, carries a [[Browning Hi-Power|FN Hi-Power]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Browning HP West German Police.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FN Hi-Power - 9x19 mm Para]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_-_FN_Hi-Power.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Red's ([[Bruce Byron]]) FN Hi-Power]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Smith &amp;amp; Wesson &amp;quot;Triple Lock&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick ([[Brendan Fraser]]) carries a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 44 Hand Ejector Series#44 Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 1ST Model &amp;quot;Triple Lock&amp;quot; (1907-1915)|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson &amp;quot;Triple Lock&amp;quot;]] in an early scene.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smith_and_Wesson_Hand_Ejector_1845.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson New Century Hand Ejector - courtesy of Adams Guns - .44 S&amp;amp;W Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Revolver2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Rick with a Smith &amp;amp; Wesson New Century Hand Ejector]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Webley Mk.V ===&lt;br /&gt;
Jacques ([[Joe Dixon]]) and Spivey ([[Tom Fisher]]), two mercenaries, carries a Webley Mk.V with a long 6&amp;quot; barrel as sold to British army officers.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Webley_MKV.gif|thumb|450px|none|Webley Mk.V - .455 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Revolver3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Jacques ([[Joe Dixon]]) with a Webley Mk.V]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR - Webley.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Spivey's ([[Tom Fisher]]) two Webley's Mk.V]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shotguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Winchester Model 1887 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick O'Connell ([[Brendan Fraser]]) uses a [[Winchester Model 1887]] shotgun, throughout the film.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M1887_Airsoft.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Replica Winchester Model 1887 with sawed-off stock and barrel as used in Terminator 2: Judgement Day - 12 gauge]]‎&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Winchester.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Rick fires his [[Winchester Model 1887]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Themummy17.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Rick with his [[Winchester Model 1887]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Lamotte Howdah pistol ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick carries a Lamotte Howdah pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Shotgun.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Rick with a Lamotte Howdah pistol next to Ardeth Bay - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Arsenal_TMR_2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lamotte Howdah pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Submachine Guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== [[Steyr-Solothurn S1-100]] ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Many of the cultists assisting Imhotep ([[Arnold Vosloo]]) throughout the film use Haenel-Steyr-Solothurn S1-100 Submachine guns.  During the gunfight in the Museum basement, Lock-Nah tosses one to Meela ([[Patricia Velasquez]]), who fires it at Ardeth Bay.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SteyrMP34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steyr-Solothurn S1-100/MP34 submachine gun - 9mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Lanchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Cultist fires a Solothurn S1-100 Submachine gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M1928 Thompson ===&lt;br /&gt;
Ardeth Bay ([[Oded Fehr]]) uses an [[M1928 Thompson]] throughout the film.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ardeth reloads his [[Thompson M1928]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Thompson2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ardeth with his [[M1928 Thompson]] behind Evie ([[Rachel Weisz]])]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== French [[Lebel 1886]] Rifle ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Some cultists used a [[Lebel 1886]] rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Modele1886Lebel.jpg|thumb|none|450px|French Lebel M1886 Rifle - 8 x 50 mm Lebel]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lebel-mummy2.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Cultist with Lebel M1886]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE) ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)]] appears frequently among the cultists en-route to Ahm Shere, one of them being used by Lock-Nah ([[Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje]]) to kill the falcon Ardeth Bay had been using to communicate with other members of the Medjai.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British.  This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during the First World War, introduced in 1907 it has seen action throughout the 20th century]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lock-Nah ([[Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje]]) takes aim with a [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Lee Enfield Mk.I* ===&lt;br /&gt;
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During the Pygmy mummy attack in Ahm Shere, Jonathan ([[John Hannah]]) covers Rick ([[Brendan Fraser]]) and Ardeth Bay ([[Oded Fehr]]) with a Boer-war era [[ Lee-Enfield]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Leemk1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield Mk.I - .303 British. In service between 1896-1907]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Mosin.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Jonathan with a [[Lee-Enfield]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== BSA Lee-Speed Sporter Rifle ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Evie ([[Rachel Weisz]]) uses a [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|BSA Lee-Speed Sporter rifle]] with scope, similar to the [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|L39A1]]. See ''[[The Ghost and the Darkness]]''.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BSArifles.jpg|thumb|450px|none| Two well preserved specimens of Lee-Speed Sporters - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Sniper.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Evie ([[Rachel Weisz]]) with a [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|BSA Lee-Speed Sporter rifle]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Other ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== M2 Flamethrower ===&lt;br /&gt;
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During the scene where the cultist are excavating Imhotep ([[Arnold Vosloo]]) in Hamunaptra, a pair of cultist can be seen using [[M2 Flamethrower]]s to fend off the flesh-eating scarabs that are unleashed on several unluckly diggers.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M2-2FlameAth.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M2-2 Flamethrower]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TMR_Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A cultist fends off flesh-eating scarabs with an [[M2 Flamethrower]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Dynamite Stick ===&lt;br /&gt;
Rick O 'Connell (Brendan Fraser) can be viewed using the pieces of dynamite in a few battles.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:781880-Fun-with-dynamite-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Sticks of dynamite]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Dynamite_Stick_TMR.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Rick with dynamite stick]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==O'Connell's Arsenal==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick has a box with weapons in his car trunk. It consists of:&lt;br /&gt;
* One [[Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] submachine gun.&lt;br /&gt;
* Two [[Colt M1911A1]] pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
* Two [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson &amp;quot;Triple Lock&amp;quot;]] revolvers.&lt;br /&gt;
* One [[Winchester Model 1887]] shotgun.&lt;br /&gt;
* One [[12 Gauged Double Barreled Shotguns|Sawed-Off Shotgun]].&lt;br /&gt;
* One knife.&lt;br /&gt;
* One balisong.&lt;br /&gt;
* One bandolier with shotgun ammo.&lt;br /&gt;
* One bandolier with rifle ammo.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Arsenal_TMR_1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Weapon box]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Arsenal_TMR_2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Winchester Model 1887, Sawed-Off Shotgun, two Colt's M1911A1, Smith &amp;amp; Wesson &amp;quot;Triple Lock&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Arsenal_TMR_3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Thompson M1928, Smith &amp;amp; Wesson &amp;quot;Triple Lock&amp;quot;, knife, balisong, bandolier with rifle ammo]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The Mummy Series'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[The Mummy]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[The Mummy Returns]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, The|Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Videogame'''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, The (VG)|The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor (video game)]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Movie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Fantasy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Adventure Movie]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=The_Mummy_(1999)&amp;diff=380534</id>
		<title>The Mummy (1999)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=The_Mummy_(1999)&amp;diff=380534"/>
		<updated>2011-01-22T17:43:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: /* Dynamite Stick */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Film Title|The Mummy}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mummy_Poster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|The Mummy (1999)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Chamelot-Delvigne Model 1873 ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rick O'Connell ([[Brendon Fraser]]) uses a pair of [[Chamelot-Delvigne Model 1873]] revolvers throughout the film.  During the fight in Hamunaptra, Jonathan ([[John Hannah]]) grabs them out of Rick's shoulder holsters and fires them at Imhotep's mummified priests.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rick often wields them akimbo style and has an unique way of loading them by spinning the cylinders.  Maybe if the ejector rod has been pulled back and the loading gate is open, all he has to do is to point the loading gate downwards,using the force of gravity and cylinder spinning to make sure all cartridges are ejected.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Chamelot-Delvigne-Model-1873A.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Chamelot-Delvigne Model 1873 Revolver - 11 x 17R mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_Chamelot-Delvigne2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick preparing his [[Chamelot-Delvigne Model 1873]] revolvers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_Chamelot-Delvigne.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of Rick's [[Chamelot-Delvigne Model 1873]] revolvers]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Colt M1917 ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Beni Gabor ([[Kevin J. O'Connor]]) uses a [[M1917 Revolver#|Colt New Service]], while Mr. Daniels ([[Corey Johnson]]) carries and uses two of the revolvers.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtNewService1917.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[M1917 Revolver#|Colt New Service]] Revolver - .45 ACP.  The Army would adopt its own version of the New Service, called the Colt M1917, with plain wooden grips and a lanyard ring]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt-Beny.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beni ([[Kevin J. O'Connor]]) with his Colt New Service]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_M1917.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Daniels ([[Corey Johnson]]) firing his [[M1917 Revolver#|Colt New Service]] revolvers]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Colt M1911 ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the beginning of the film, Rick O'Connell ([[Brendan Fraser]]), among other weapons, uses two  Colt [[M1911]]s to battle the attacking Tuaregs. Rick also uses a [[M1911]] later in the film, most notably preparing it on the boat to Hamunaptra. Also one of the American treasure hunters, Mr. Burns ([[Tuc Watkins]]), is seen using a Colt M1911. It should be noted that the screen gun used is a period authentic pre-1924 M1911, not an M1911A1 (noted by the lack of a curved mainspring housing and no relief cuts around the trigger guard on the frame. Also, the grip safety spur is shorter than on the A1 while the actual trigger itself is longer). This is a rare case of Hollywood getting something right. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Original Colt M1911 (dated 1913) - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick's Colt M1911 laying in the sand]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_1911_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Brendan Fraser]]) with his Colt M1911]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Colt Single Action Army ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mr. Henderson ([[Stephen Dunham]]) uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 5&amp;quot; barrel known as the &amp;quot;Artillery&amp;quot; model - .45 LC. The most common of the SAA revolvers as it is just the right length]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Henderson ([[Stephen Dunham]]) with his Colt SAA]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Mauser C96 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Many of the Medjai who attack the boat to Hamunaptra are armed with dual [[Mauser C96]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mauser_c96_bolo.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mauser C96 - 7.63x25 mm Mauser]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_Mauser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Medjai is shot while firing his Mauser C96's]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Remington Model 95 Double Derringer ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Jonathan ([[John Hannah]]) uses a [[Remington 1866 Derringer]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington1866Type4.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Remington 1866 Derringer - .41 R.F. Caliber]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Confrontation.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jonathan with his pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Webley Mk.V ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Burns ([[Tuc Watkins]]) uses a [[Webley Mk V]] revolver.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Webley_MKV.gif‎|thumb|none|450px|Webley Mk.V revolver - .455 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Webley_TM.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Burns ([[Tuc Watkins]]) reloading his revolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
=== French Lebel M1886 ===&lt;br /&gt;
In the beginning of the film, Rick O'Connell ([[Brendon Fraser]]), Beni Gabor ([[Kevin J. O'Connor]]) and the other members of The French Foreign Legion use [[Lebel 1886|French Lebel Rifles]]. There was a problem with these rifles in the movie, normally they hold eight rounds but the ones used in this movie fired a single round then had to be reloaded after each shot (Fraser does this several times during the course of the opening scene). Though all Lebels are eight-shot rifles, the loading process is so slow that it is often easier to fire one round at a time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Another possible explanation is that it was not uncommon for rifles of the period to have a magazine cut-off.  The Lebel is so equipped (as is the Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III, Springfield M1903, and Krag-Jorgenson rifles and carbines). Furthermore, the soldiers of the time were typically trained to chamber individual rounds during the bulk of the fighting, utilizing this magazine cutoff, and maintaining the magazine as a reserve of ammunition.  This would have been exceptionally useful on a Lebel, as was pointed out before, it is not an easy rifle to load under pressure.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Modele1886Lebel.jpg|thumb|none|450px|French Lebel M1886 Rifle - 8 x 50 mm Lebel]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_Lebel.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick holding a French Lebel Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Lee-Enfield No.1 MkIII* ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Lee-Enfield rifle was extensively used in the film in the hands of British soldiers, the Arabs attacking the French Foreign Legion in the beginning of the film, and in the hands of the Medjai.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British.  This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during the First World War, introduced in 1907 it has seen action throughout the 20th century]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lee_M.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|British Soldiers with Lee-Enfield rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Mauser Karabiner 98k ===&lt;br /&gt;
The Tuaregs attacking The French Foreign Legion in the beginning of the film are seen using a variety of different manufactured Mauser rifles from different countries.  Visible are some M1903 Turkish Mauser and some (anachronistic) M1938 and M38/46 Short Rifles.  Some of the Berber Horsemen are seen holding Mauser Karabiner 98 (98K) rifles, which is clearly anachronistic, since the 98Ks were not developed until 1935, but it might be the older WWI version.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57 mm Mauser]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_M48.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Tuareg horseman armed with a Turkish Mauser on horseback]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Winchester Model 1897 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Rick O'Connell ([[Brendan Fraser]]) uses a [[Winchester Model 1897]] shotgun throughout the film, later given to Ardeth Bay ([[Oded Fehr]]) to hold off the Mummy's priests.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While watching closely, I noticed what looks like a zip-tie around the barrel, right before the grip. Movie mistake?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WinchesterM1897.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1897 Riot Gun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Brendan Fraser]]) preparing his Winchester 1897]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_Winchester2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick armed with his Winchester 1897]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mummy-Shotgun1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen Used M1897 Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Lewis ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rick O'Connell ([[Brendan Fraser]]) uses a [[Lewis gun]] mounted on an airplane to shoot at the face of the sandstorm that Imhotep ([[Arnold Vosloo]]) creates. When the airplane crashes, Ardeth Bey ([[Oded Fehr]]) unmounts the gun, and uses it against Imhotep's mummified priests in Hamunaptra.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rafmachinegunlewis3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Aircraft-mounted Lewis Gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD_081.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick on the Mounted Lewis Machine Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_Mk.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ardeth Bey unmounts the Lewis Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Dynamite Stick ===&lt;br /&gt;
Rick O 'Connell ([[Brendan Fraser]]) can be seen using the sticks of [[dynamite]] in a few battles.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:781880-Fun-with-dynamite-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Sticks of dynamite]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Dynamite_Mummy.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Rick with dynamite stick]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Unidentified Revolver ===&lt;br /&gt;
The Prison Warden ([[Omid Djalili]]) pulls out an unidentified revolver during the brief standoff with the Americans in Hamunaptra.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==O'Connell's Arsenal==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rick have a backpack with weapons. It consists of:&lt;br /&gt;
* One [[Colt M1911A1]] pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
* Two [[Chamelot-Delvigne Model 1873]] revolvers.&lt;br /&gt;
* One [[Winchester Model 1897]] shotgun in disassembled condition.&lt;br /&gt;
* One knife.&lt;br /&gt;
* One balisong.&lt;br /&gt;
* Two bandolier's with shotgun ammo.&lt;br /&gt;
* Dynamite sticks.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TM_-_Arsenal.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Weapon's backpack]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The Mummy Series'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[The Mummy]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[The Mummy Returns]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, The|Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Videogame'''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, The (VG)|The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor (video game)]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Movie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Fantasy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Adventure Movie]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Expendables&amp;diff=374580</id>
		<title>Talk:The Expendables</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Expendables&amp;diff=374580"/>
		<updated>2011-01-05T17:08:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: /* Demolition Man */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Question on the weapons used==&lt;br /&gt;
anyone know what the 6th barrel down is, between the silenced M4 and the MP7?  Might be a shotgun of sorts, based on the barrel/handguard...also no magazine.  Can pick out the grip/trigger to the right of the skull's eye.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2378533888/tt1320253&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-Barrett M107 with SUSAT (?!) Scope&lt;br /&gt;
-M16A1&lt;br /&gt;
-C8 with M203&lt;br /&gt;
-G36 with AG36&lt;br /&gt;
-No idea&lt;br /&gt;
-Shorty Remington 870 / Masterkey&lt;br /&gt;
-MP7&lt;br /&gt;
-Mk. 23&lt;br /&gt;
-Model 29&lt;br /&gt;
-Steyr M9A1&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta M9 with front cocking serrations&lt;br /&gt;
-SVI Infinity&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta 93R&lt;br /&gt;
-Desert Eagle&lt;br /&gt;
-A fuckload of knifes --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It matches the sg9000 airsoft shotgun i once saw at a gunshow. so i think it may be it.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.planxairsoftguns.com/store-products-UU-2272027---Walther-SG9000-SHOTGUN---C02_1096639197.html&lt;br /&gt;
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I just thought I'd point out that the M107 does not have a SUSAT, but an ELCAN C79. Please correct me if I'm wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess I stand correct, it is a ELCAN C79, they look similar thought -_-' --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 23:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster, Check out the two Pictures on the 1911 section.&lt;br /&gt;
It's got the same trigger, and possibly the same magazine buttpad and hammer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I deleted my previous two posts. - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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== CQB-R Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2010/5/12/check-out-these-new-expendables-photos.html Screeninglog.com - Here is page link instead]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
New Image featuring the CQB-R Rifles, can someone replace the one on the main page? Thx - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2691072512/tt1320253 IMDB.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at this pic of Jet Li, the grip on his 'CQB'. Thats a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 416?&lt;br /&gt;
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Definatly a 416 look at the shape of the grip. Is Terry Crews using frag 12 rounds, as frag 12's normally come in a green casing and the spent cartridges in the image all appear to be see thu / white. this could of course just be hollywood, being hollywood - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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I also thing stathams 92 is most likely a 92G elite, or a ninety two based on the squared off pistol grip - captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Tango Down makes a pistol grip almost identical to that of the HK416, the BG-16 Battle Grip or so it's supposedly called. It could be one of those. I'd rather wait until we can find better shots of his gun to determine whether it's a 416 or not. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cameos ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it me or does anybody else miss hearing arnie's voice lol&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just saw Commando last week so...no I don't miss his voice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think Clint Eastwood shoulda had a cameo?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I gotta disagree. He was huge int he 80s of course, but not in the same way these guys were. Eastwood is on another level in many ways. My question, where is Segal? Chuck Norris? Tom Berhinger?&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree on Clint. While he was a definite star, he was a different sort of star than these guys. As for your question about where is Seagal? Well, he WAS offered a part and turned it down. Apparently, Seagal has issues with one of the produces of The Expendables and refuses to work with him(you can catch him September in Machete though). Jean-Claude Van Damme was also offered a role and turned it down, because he &amp;quot;doesn't want his career going in that direction&amp;quot;(that direction being &amp;quot;up&amp;quot; I assume), and Kurt Russell turned a part down due to &amp;quot;a lack of interest in ensemble acting at this time&amp;quot;. Wesley Snipes was going to be in it, but he wasn't allowed to leave the country due to that whole tax evasion thing, so he couldn't go down to South America or Mexico or wherever it was they filmed it. Chuck woulda fit in too, but I don't think he was offered a part. And Berrenger? Nothing against the guy, but Berrenger was pretty much third tier even in his heyday, even the average classic action fan isn't gonna bring him up when they're thinking of action stars. Not that I woulda opposed him don't get me wrong, but at the same time, I don't think his omission is exactly as noticeable as say, Seagal or Mel Gibson(I think we can all guess why he wasn't offered a part) for example. I also missed Chow Yun-Fat. Li is a badass to be sure and I'm glad he's here, but woulda been cool to see Chow going back to old school Woo-mode and packing a couple handguns as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Addendum. Apparently at Comic-Con, Stallone said &amp;quot;I talked to Van Damme. I talked to [Steven] Segal. I even talked to Chuck Norris.&amp;quot; He then added, &amp;quot;But there are certain considerations, like insanity.&amp;quot;. Not sure if the insanity line was specifically for one of them, or all of them. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Screw Chuck Norris bring Jack Bauer up in here. [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I totally woulda dug Kiefer Sutherland getting a part. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Jackie Chan should have been in this. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nope, Jackie Chan focuses on much lighter 'comical' action fare.  He would not be comfortable with such grisly violence as this does not fit with his cinema history well at all.  It would not have made sense to include Jackie Chan. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Actually Jackie Chan did a lot of serious, even dark action/drama movies before ([[New Police Story]] for example).  It's just that his Hollywood movies are all action comedy and that's what North American viewers are used to.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 17:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Damn straight[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Bruce Campbell ftw. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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==Charles Daly 1911's - CONFIRMED AS KIMBER CUSTOMS==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The pistols list as Charles Daly Customs are Kimber Customs with Bright Blue finish. But I will confirm before I change the heading.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 00:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Who in their right mind would customize a Charles Daly...I would have to hear it from the movie armor himself before i believe that one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
CONFIRMED:Whoever thought they were CDs could not have been further off. Like the above, my vote went for Kimber, and NOW it is CONFIRMED---&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/kimber-the-expendables/?hp=exclusives_title&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 23:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
After this confirmation I changed the heading on the main page to reflect this. Since, I confess, I'm kinda new at editing this, I just changed the heading, wasn't sure if the details of the customization are meant to be included or not. If they are, feel free to add whatever is necessary. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==clip==&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpaRzwICMk&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think there is a Saiga 12 being used by Hale Caesar (Terry Crews) in the clip&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Holy Cow ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So many action stars in one movie. This can only be good --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plane==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone identify the plane nd the machine guns in the nose they use to take out the dock?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would guess either .30 or .50 cal browning machine guns&lt;br /&gt;
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Plane is a Grumman HU-16 Albatross. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 14:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And they are identified in 'the making of' pre-released video as  50 cals, so I assume they are AN-M2 machine guns [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gunnar's M79 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw a Clip from when the Screenshot was taken. I believe he uses a Non-Explosive round like the HK69A1 in Miami Vice.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Expendables-M79-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar Jensen opens fire with his [[M79]].]][[Image:MV_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tubbs pulls out his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1]] on Yero.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's possible, the Miami Vive Round is a custom made single shot (giant) shotgun round made from a 40mm.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 23:29, 2 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: It's not a custom round per se; it's called a M576. It loads 20 pellets of #4 shot, and the US Army developed it because the original plan was that the M79 would the grenadier's only weapon, and you can't exactly shoot someone standing right in front of you with a grenade. Well, I suppose you could, but it wouldn't be terribly practical. The M576 is also compatible with the M203, though generally what a 40mm shotgun does you can do with a Masterkey or M1014. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christ, those pistols look tiny. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I mean, I shouldn't be surprised that Stalone has massive hands, but still, the Beretta and the SSA look absolutely tiny in his hands. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Willis' Role ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From what I've heard, Willis isn't just a cameo. He apparently plays an important part in the plot. At least, that's what I've heard. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*I saw it today. He isn't much more than a cameo. Three minutes of screen time, and mentioned again later.&lt;br /&gt;
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Pardon my french, but i fucking loved it!!! Arnie and bruce sadly only do cameos, but its worth it for a few jokes.&lt;br /&gt;
But onto the guns. Stallone (barny ross) is packing a pair of Kimber M1911's (which sometimes he fires so fast it nears automatic) one on each thigh. He does some perfect and frankly beautiful speedloads with them too. On the same belt he also caries the custom single action army on a quickdraw rig to his rear.&lt;br /&gt;
Stathams (lee christmas) main sidearm, seen mostly in the final action peice is a Beretta 92G Elite 1A which he uses in conjunction with throwing knives and if im being honest kinda steals the show.&lt;br /&gt;
The other real star of the movie is Terry Crews AA12, given its own into speech he even shows us the Frag 12 mini rocket out of its casing and explains to the audience just how cool the frag 12 really is, and the scenes he uses it truely do it justice, people are torn apart in a gorey wargasm.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and Dolph Lundgren (Gunnar) briefly threatens Stone Cold with a shorty shotgun with a folding frong grip, much like Tubb's from miami vice, possibly a franchi but i cant be sure.&lt;br /&gt;
Ok there's my 50 cents, but it really did kick ass--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agreed, Captain. The scene where he first uses the AA-12 is EPIC. I'm not normally a fan of the AA-12, but I had to respect it here. Also, many of Statham's fistfight scenes were awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
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*I think Yin was using a Steyr TMP in the back of Barney's truck. Again, don't quote me on that.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 21:22 EST, 13 August 2010 (Not a member, but I've been told to sign my posts.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Statham's fight scenes were cool. He messed that guy in the blue polo up with that kick to the head. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Suberu shorty looks like the gun, but i think it was a brugger and thompet MP9 not the TMP due to the folding stock, and its always good practise to sign your posts --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, sorry. I've never heard of the MP9. BTW, am I signing my posts right, since I'm not a user? -SasquatchJim 21:55 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Brugger and Thommet bought out the stery tmp design an released ith with a folding stock as the MP-9, and yeah, thats fine, you dont need the date/time stamp but its always welcome --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It was badass, just a great fun to watch action movie not loaded with preachy messages or other bullshit. They said it would be like an awesome 80s action movie, and delivered. BTW, I dont think there charles daly 1911s. Im betting their kimbers like Pheonixint said. BTW, remember when i think it was steve austin took off stallone's vest (which looked like a blackhawk strike) and said that without the kevlar hed be ripped apart or something to that effect, that the vest had no kevlar, it was just load bearing equipment, no panels or plates.&lt;br /&gt;
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No crap...where is the evidence that these are Charles daly?  Like i said, who would buy a cheap 1911 just to customize it all badass like?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And pheonixint is in the industry, his info is usually real solid, while i dont see one shred of evidence its a bargain bin 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
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There's only one reason I can think as to why they'd be CD 1911s: The directors wanted to save money bu using inexpensive 1911s and customizing them. E.G. Using a $600 1911 instead of a $3000 one. I don't know, though.-SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone know the knives that they used in the movie? I saw some links to the ones that Sly and Doph uses, but I want to know what are the ones that Jason Statham uses. He had the kunai throwing knives and the folding knife in that one scene. I really want that knife now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:In the end credits, it says knives provided by Gil Hibben. Tool's throwing knives in the end were definitely Hibbens. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I couldn't see it good enough to ID but it looks like a MP7. Anyone else got an opinion?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm pretty sure Stallone was using one of the kitted out M4A1 Carbine things, but he was holding it with one hand by the foregrip instead of at the ready because he was using it mainly for the flashlight. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
Pretty much. I have no idea what part of that thing looks like an MP7. If you look at the main page, the Vltor rifles were all what the team was using [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know he was using a Vltor later but when he was alone in the tunnels. I don't know just had a feeling it was.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the bad dark lighting of the movie confused you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He was holding the vltor by the surefire light foregrip, definatly - Captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Yep, I just saw the movie again, and as the other guys said, he's carrying the Vltor by the foregrip, there's no MP7 in sight. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its a noveske, vltor makes the stock and rail system.&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking at the front of the gun and never looked at the back so it looked like a machine pistol of somesort so I assumed a MP7. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Guns SPOILERS ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Shorty3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar ([[Dolph Lundgren]]) pulls a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] on Monroe's Henchmen when negotiating a deal. The shotgun looks like a pistol in the hand's of the formidable actor.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone needs to add these guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Yin Yang's pistol? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone recall what pistol Jet Li's character was carrying at the end battle? There was so much going on during that assault that I was just sitting and enjoying the carnage, without paying as much attention to weapon details as I normally would. And now that I'm sitting here trying to recall, my mind is blanking on me. Anyone able to refresh my memory? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a pistol? There was too much for me to take in at once!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, he most noticeably using it when he was clearing the soldiers out of one of those tents or whatever they were. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 05:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah now I remember it, I believe it was a Beretta. I could be wrong though.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its definaty a 'box' shaped pistol, I just watched it again, looked like a p99 to me, but the only times we see it he is moving, there are no close up either --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall it looking like a P99 as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i say it looked like a small glock, maybe a 19, not sure&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven't seen the movie, but on a poster at my theatre, Jet Li has a SIG Pro in his holster, don't know if he has one in the movie though.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 05:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hmm, that could be it, actually. Fairly sure it's not a Glock, but it could definitely be a SIG Pro. Thanks for the info man. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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yep that is defintly the gun he used in the film, the pics of the slide in the film during that scene look the same&lt;br /&gt;
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i remember a pistol, he sort of takes cover behind something and then kills the guys and shows a full shot of the gun in his hand kind of pointing down. im going to see it again tommorow so ill have a look,also found apicog Gunnars shotty, going to put itup--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 00:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has this mystery gun been IDed yet?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== low quality caps  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Some of the lower quality caps will be put here until the official dvd or better quality official clips are released. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-ar15var.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Team members carry the Vltor / Noveske Diplomat with EOTech, flashlight, and laser sights.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Demolition Man==&lt;br /&gt;
in the promo still of sly aiming at dolph who is thretening li, doent it lookan awful lot like some of the scenes from demolition man?--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 01:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't recall a single scene like that from Demolition Man but if you recall a specific part feel free to point it out. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 04:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think he means these two shots [[Image:DemoMan_011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] [[Image:Expendables.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah thats the one, thamks Funkychinaman.--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Okay, he's wearing a beret in both pics, but other than that, it's just 2 shots of the same actor holding a gun, and not even in the same situation, one he's holding it directly to someone's head, the other he's standing several feet away pointing it at someone. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, he said they look alike. As you pointed out, they look alike. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well yeah, in the sense that it's the same dude holding a gun in both shots. By that reasoning, any 2 shots of Arnie holding an M16 will look alike, or any 2 shots of Chow Yun Fat holding 2 pistols, and so on. Doesn't mean End of Days looks an awful lot like Predator, does it? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 10:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::He mentioned it, and I found it in two minutes, so obviously he wasn't he only one. It's like if Arnold made another movie where he held a shotgun with one arm while wearing a black leather jacket. Why are you getting worked up about this? The guy made an observation, that's all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 11:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so the pistol is different and the goatee too, but in both shots, aiming one handed, tac vest over black t-shirt and black beret, i think its similar enough --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed it too and thought it was pretty badass. DKS01 you need to chill out with these comments. Let other people have an opinion. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Blow me, I wasn't aware I was somehow preventing anyone from having an opinion. If I had that capability I'd probably use it to get Rush Limbaugh off the air, but since Rush still broadcasts, I guess I don't have that power. He stated his opinion, I stated my opinion, deal with it chief. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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Geez man, lose the attitude. And don't you ever tell me to blow you. I have never seen you write anything on this site but rude and asshole comments.  --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
::You've never seen me post anything but rude and asshole comments? Guess reading isn't something you're very good at then, cause there are other comments from me on THIS VERY PAGE where I posted about the fixing the Kimbers entry, discussed what pistol Jet Li was carrying, and agreed with some other dudes that Stallone's gun in the tunnel was the Diplomat and not an MP7. Actually, wait a sec, I think I remember you now, you're that dude who thought using the Harris technique was a &amp;quot;Call of Duty&amp;quot; homage then got mad when me and some other dudes told you it probably wasn't an homage, right? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 04:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yep that's me.--[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it just stands out because it's rare for a lot of movie stars to wear anything on their head at all. Off the top of my head, I think the only movies where Arnold wears anything on his head is in the Conan movies, where's he's got that weird headband thing. Not even in Predator, where it would've made sense, did he wear a hat. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually he did have a hat on in the very beginning of Predator...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there are some particular movies where the character is well-known for wearing a hat. Indiana Jones, Crocodile Dundee, Freddy Krueger, and others.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll give you Indy and Dundee, but those are also parts of costumes. I can't think of any other hat wearing Harrison Ford characters though. (And looking back, I think Arnold did wear a hat in Collateral, when he was trying to infiltrate the terrorist base.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, Harrison wore a stormtrooper helment in Star Wars. Does that count LOL? But yeah, I see what you mean though; overall, costumes with hats are rare.&lt;br /&gt;
:For most stars, their greatest assets are their features. Why hide them with a hat? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Except in some cases...That explains why Mickey Rourke DID wear a hat. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest Mickey Rourke Needed to wear a trenchcoat and a bag over his head--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 16:38, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Totally irrelevant but it bugged me, @DKS01 Arnie doesn't use an M16 in End of Days, is a pimped MP5.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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While on the hat subject, the whole team wear hats in this movie both in the opening scene, and the final shootout (with the exception of stallone who loses his beret) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't know why, but I REALLY like that Statham wore a baseball cap. It was understated and badass.   -SJ&lt;br /&gt;
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Toll Road's boonie hat never fell off, even during fights, i know from experience they come off easy if your not wearing a chin strap.&lt;br /&gt;
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To be fair, this is sort of a &amp;quot;suspended-reality&amp;quot; movie. Take everything with a grain of salt. -SJ&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe he wore his boonie hat tightened on his head, as so not to lose it? And he could have straightnened the hat off-screen. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 17:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gunner's 1911==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the car chase Gunner uses a 1911 that looks alot like the one's used by Thomas Jane in The Punisher (2004). It was black with a silver compensator. Anybody else see it? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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no i noticed it i thought it was funny because Dolph Lundgren played The Punisher in the 80's--[[User:Anarchy66660|Anarchy66660]] 21:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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Another possible punisher connection:  I think the Guy riding shotgun with gunnar was one of the guys that Thomas Jane dropped in the lobby of the saint building after he made it rain money.  Horace or Spoon perhaps?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns Appearing on the &amp;quot;Choose Your Weapon&amp;quot; Poster ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyway, the poster I first saw for The Expendables was the one with the chrome skull in the center surrounded by guns and knives in the shape of wings, which some have suggested is meant to evoke the Guns &amp;amp; Roses poster (maybe...). I'm kinda surprised that that poster wasn't used for this article (more appropriate here than the one used currently) and I was hoping to see the guns in it identified. Could anyone do just that (The original poster would appear alongside an annotated version with a list of firearms)? Here's some pictures I found:&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/tutorials/how-to-create-the-expendables-winged-skull-poster-art How To Create The Expendables Winged Skull Poster Art]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The very first section of this talk page is a listing of the weapons featured in that poster. This was the relevant info already posted above:&amp;quot;-Barrett M107 with SUSAT (?!) Scope -M16A1 -C8 with M203 -G36 with AG36 -No idea -Shorty Remington 870 / Masterkey -MP7 -Mk. 23 -Model 29 -Steyr M9A1 -Beretta M9 with front cocking serrations -SVI Infinity -Beretta 93R -Desert Eagle -A fuckload of knifes --yocapo32 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&amp;quot;. Someone later clarified that it's an ELCAN C79 scope not a SUSAT. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 08:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Oh, Jeez, I skimmed this page way too quick looking for a mention and to be &amp;quot;sure&amp;quot; it wasn't covered, searched for the term &amp;quot;poster&amp;quot;, thinking it would be included in any discussion. Sorry.&lt;br /&gt;
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::But anyway, I still think it would be a better poster to use on the article page and think there really should be an annotated version too. And a big bag of money would be nice.&lt;br /&gt;
:::You got my vote. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 13:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Barney's Kimber - Possible Spoilers==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it possible that his Kimber's used double stacked magazines? I bought it at midnight, watched it, rewatched the speed firing bit at the end several times, and it seems like everytime he empties a magazine and reloads, he's firing fourteen to fifteen times. The time he fired both, he fires twenty six times and reloades, considering it'd be bad to go off with two rounds. Consistent with a double stacked .45 magazine. I couldn't see how many times the weapon cycled, but the sound was definitely fourteen shots. I'd also feel the need to point out that on several occasions, he fired only a few rounds at a time from one pistol, but it would be possible that he reloaded off screen. Especially given the speed he shows with his reloads. Movie magic, or some realism to a typical yet totally awsome, film? - Mikey&lt;br /&gt;
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::The Kimbers he used had single-stack magazines (the armorer who blank-converted Stallone's pistols for this movie is an IMFDB administrator). You can also check the link that appears on the page. Counting the number of times the weapons are fired is a bad way to determine their magazine capacity in movies. Actors routinely fire more rounds than their weapons can hold because reloading is done between takes, off-camera. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Is it Just me ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Or is something wrong with the front sight on this thing? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 10:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it is just a hooded sight, indicating that it is the Chinese version of the AK, the Norinco Type 56. --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 10:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think (even though the somali is holding the rifle not so straight) the front sight is tilted a bit on the left --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:?He's just holding the rifle itself tilted to the left. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, but the sight is still a bit off... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 21:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It's a little off center even considering he's holding the gun cocked to one side. Then again, he's a pirate with an AK. He's probably never even used the sights, so he hasn't noticed that he banged the nose of his Type 56 into the side of a boat and knocked his sights off-kilter or something. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Page correction F2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone has written 'An FN F2000 Tactical is used by Ross, and later by Lee, with an EO-Tech, flashlight, and laser sight during the mission to rescue hostages on the hijacked oil tanker.' The only Lee in the film is Stathams character Lee CHristmas, I assume you mean Yin Yang played by Jet LI, as shown in the photo, can someone sort this out - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continuity error? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the page, it shows shots of Jet Li's character, Yang with a P90 during the Oil Tanker scene, but then it showed another with the F2000. Did he happen to have both? or did the prop guy switched it by accident? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Huh. I had noticed that he started out with a F2000 (actually at first with the dim lighting in the scene, I thought all of the Expendables were carrying F2000s until I could see them better - and until Gunnar let a M576 off and blew a guy in half as a warning shot) and then didn't realize somehow that he was suddenly using a P90 in another shot. I assumed that maybe he picked up someone else's gun but... [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt Single Action Army==&lt;br /&gt;
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Barney's Colt with the very short barrel could be a customized U.S. Firearms &amp;quot;Shopkeeper&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Sheriff.&amp;quot; They are somewhat uncommon, but the Sheriff is a clone of Colt's &amp;quot;Sheriff&amp;quot; SAA variant, with a 3&amp;quot; ejectorless barrel -- they can also be had in 2”, 3.5” and 4” -- and the Shopkeeper is the same song but with 3.5&amp;quot; barrel and an ejector rod. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ceasars Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hale Ceasar (terry crews) has a beretta 92G elite 1A as his sidearm in the final ballte as seen on this massive image http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2010_The_Expendables/2010_the_expendables_015.jpg - Captain Snikt&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
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		<title>Black Hawk Down</title>
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&lt;div&gt;'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Black hawk down ver1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''[[Black Hawk Down]]'' (2001)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colt Commando ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Delta operators mainly wield the M727 and M733 variants of the [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series |Colt Commando]]. The M727 variant is identified by its A2 upper receiver and 14.5&amp;quot; barrel with the cutout for mounting an M203 grenade launcher; the M733 has the shorter 11.5&amp;quot; barrel. Staff Sergeant Daniel Busch ([[Richard Tyson]]) is the first Delta member on screen, and also the first soldier we see carrying an [[M16_rifle_series#Colt_Carbine.2FModel_653.2FModel_727.2FModel_733|M727]]. All Delta members carry M727s and M733s, fitted with various accessories such as Aimpoint scopes and surefire flashlights. Master Sergeant Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) can be seen carrying an M733 featuring a camouflage paint scheme and a sound suppressor, which is then used by Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) to pick off several more Somalis before running out of ammunition and being overwhelmed. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Delta Customs===&lt;br /&gt;
The Delta Force operators arm themselves differently from the Rangers by using customized Colt Model 727 and 733 rifles as opposed to longer, heavier M16A2 rifles. Many are fitted with such accessories as Aimpoint red dot scopes and Surefire tactical lights (with the pressure switch taped to the handguard with 100mph or electrical tape). Some of the Colts have camouflage paint schemes, and some of them are fitted with 14.5&amp;quot; barrels with M203 cuts (M727). &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SSG Busch ([[Richard Tyson]]) aims an M727 carbine at Somali militants raiding a Red Cross food distribution center while aboard a Blackhawk. Note the flashlight pressure switch taped to the handguard.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M727 carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SFC Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) uses his M727 to shoot out of a Humvee window.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded SSG Busch climbs out of his crashed Blackhawk and fires his M727 at the Somalis.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sanderson fires his M727 during the &amp;quot;Mogadishu Mile&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Rangers===&lt;br /&gt;
While the Rangers are armed almost entirely with [[M16A2]] rifles, Captain Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) uses an M733 rifle, noted by the 11.5&amp;quot; barrel, with nothing modified or changed. SFC &amp;quot;Doc&amp;quot; Schmid ([[Hugh Dancy]]) also uses an M733, presumably because as a medic, he would need a lighter, more versatile weapon to move quickly to wounded soldiers.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 with 11.5&amp;quot; Barrel (The Model 723 is the export model of the same weapon - used by forces of the UAE and US Delta Force) 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CPT Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) with his M733 carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steele shows the Delta Operators you don't need a fancy scope to fire an M733. Iron sights.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger medic SFC Schmid ([[Hugh Dancy]]) with his M733 in hand.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Delta Sniper===&lt;br /&gt;
Delta Force MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) uses an [[M16_rifle_series#Colt_Carbine.2FModel_653.2FModel_727.2FModel_733|M733]] carbine modified with a camouflage paint scheme, Aimpoint scope, tactical light, and a sound suppressor. Shughart gives this rifle to the wounded Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant, who uses it before it runs out of ammo.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) hovers above the second crash site with his suppressed M733.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gordon fires his suppressed M733 in defense of the crash site.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mike Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) with Gordon's M733.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===CAR-15===&lt;br /&gt;
Some of the Deltas Operators are seen using [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series |Colt Commando CAR-15]] carbines with the original long type muzzle brake, which are also heavily customized. There is a high possibility they are built from several Commando types so a definite I.D. isn't certain unless the armorer can verify it.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Delta with his CAR-15 rifle at the ready, right side.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Delta with a CAR-15.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Delta operator fires on a Somali .50 gunner with his CAR-15.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt M4 carbine==&lt;br /&gt;
Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) seems to use an [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 carbine]] with the same customizations and paint job as the Commando rifles when doing solo operations in Somalia, noted by its removable carry handle. He uses it to shoot a wild boar from a chopper, and is chastised by CPT Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) for keeping the weapon's safety off in the barracks. One of the Deltas is also seen using an M4 carbine during the operation itself.&lt;br /&gt;
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A bit of anachronism here, both the M4 and M4A1 entered service in 1997, 4 years after the events of this film (in 1993), so the M4 should technically not be in Hoot's hands. The probable reason was the fact that most of the earlier M16 Carbines are hard to come by, so they needed something to fill that gap.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;Who's hungry?&amp;quot; Hoot readies his M4 carbine to shoot a wild boar. Note flashlight pressure switch attached to the handguards with electric tape. Also note that Hoot racks the action twice; once when he boards the chopper, and another time when he readies to shoot the boar.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CPT Steele points out to Hoot that, whether an undisciplined Delta Operator or not, his M4 carbine should be safeties-on in the barracks. Hoot replies, &amp;quot;This is my safety&amp;quot;, and bends his index finger. Note the knobs on the carry handle used to remove it from the gun and custom pistol grip. Also note that this particular weapon is quite clearly a rubber prop version, which are normally used only for stunt work.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Delta operator breaches and clears with an M4 carbine in hand. Note the removable carry handle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M60 machine gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nelson with his M60.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nelson fires his M60.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nelson firing his M60.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== FN Minimi ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi 5.56x45mm with 200-round ammo drum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the &amp;quot;Mogadishu Mile&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Rangers armed, like most of them, with an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A2 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Blackhawk crash site.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Blackhawk crash site.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch.  The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.  It is evident from this shot that the lower receiver is that of an M16A1, not the A2, thus these rifles were built up on A1 lowers.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somalia forces.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book 'In the Company of Heroes' it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless &amp;quot;they have a damn good reason&amp;quot;, as quoted by several Drill Sergeants.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M14 Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an M68 Aimpoint scope. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M16A1==&lt;br /&gt;
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 rifles hang in the dealer's shop along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider removed and with a strange smooth ten round magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==CETME==&lt;br /&gt;
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3A3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3A3]] assault rifles. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|G3A3 7.62x51mm NATO with green synthetic furniture]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== PKM Light Machine Gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SVD Dragunov==&lt;br /&gt;
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54R.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An SVD Dragunov is seen behind Hoot. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== RPK ==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun]]. Its blonde furniture indicates it could be a foreign copy. The machining divots in the receiver could help indicate its origins as well.&lt;br /&gt;
(the milled receiver, blonde wood, and the fact that the selector is in semi seem to suggest it is an Arsenal Bulgarian RPK, probably a US-made semi-auto variant)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPK light machine gun 7.62x39mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali fires his RPK at the downed Black Hawk.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== RPG-7 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Blackhawks. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M-35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Blackhawk crash of the operation.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Norinco Type 69==&lt;br /&gt;
Along with [[RPG-7]]s, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69|Norinco Type 69]] launchers are used by the militia.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 - 70mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A militia member with a Type 69. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A militia member with a Type 69.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Norinco Type 56 ==&lt;br /&gt;
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet 7.62x39mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Norinco Type 56-1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 7.62x39mm]] &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A &amp;quot;Skinny&amp;quot; dies firing his Type 56-1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce ([[Chris Beetem]]) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== AKS-74U ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking one of the surviving Blackhawk pilots before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoiless rifle - 73mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Blackhawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==&lt;br /&gt;
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] 37mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M203 Grenade Launcher ==&lt;br /&gt;
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While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher 40mm mounted on M16A2 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M203.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|[[Ewan McGregor]]'s depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here the trigger guard appears to have been removed]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M1911A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do. (That is, better firepower at the cost of running out of ammunition twice as quickly.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the &amp;quot;Mogadishu Mile&amp;quot;. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tokarev TT-33 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of the TT-33]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beretta 92FS ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.&lt;br /&gt;
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as &amp;quot;Skinny Popper&amp;quot;, a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with slim handguard]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&amp;amp;K MP5A3.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Durant fires his Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Durant continues firing his H&amp;amp;K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Special===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Browning M2HB ==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful fifty-cal. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG in vehicle mounting]] &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The opening shots of Black Hawk Down. Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of &amp;quot;skinnies&amp;quot; with an M2HB.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== GE M134 Minigun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the slaughter of the crowd, the U.S. forces hovering in the MH-60 aren't cleared to fire the [[GE M134 Minigun|Dillon Aero M134 minigun]]s mounted on their Black Hawk. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are also carried by the AH-6 ''Little Birds'' and rain lead in several scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Minigun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Dillon Aero M134 with flash suppressor - 7.62x51mm NATO. These are new model M134 Miniguns or just updated GE Miniguns which are usually seen with a different spade grip mount that were used during the Vietnam War.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GE M134 with flash suppressor on the MH-60 Blackhawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AH-6 &amp;quot;Little Bird&amp;quot; supplies close air support with its twin M134 miniguns.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with an M134.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the M134 as it fires on RPG gunners.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK 12.7x109mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader on a DShK.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M72 LAW ==&lt;br /&gt;
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An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a &amp;quot;technical&amp;quot; with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army.  Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW 66mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
While never used on screen,  SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. &lt;br /&gt;
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In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870PoliceFolder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock (One seen in the movie lacked the folding stock).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Receiver reads &amp;quot;Express Magnum&amp;quot; on Sanderson's 870.  In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, &amp;quot;economy priced&amp;quot; Express Magnum, though both are visually identical.  The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M67 Hand Grenade ==&lt;br /&gt;
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While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) picks up [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M67 Hand Grenades]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Movie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Drama]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:War]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Ridley Scott]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Operation_Flashpoint:_Dragon_Rising&amp;diff=372752</id>
		<title>Talk:Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising</title>
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		<updated>2011-01-01T02:55:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Operation Flashpoint Dragon RisingM16s.JPG]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Check out the oddly proportioned magazines. What on earth are those supposed to be? 25 rounders? I haven't played this game yet, but if the devs can't even get the proportions of a 30 round AR-15 mag right it makes me wonder what else they screwed up, it doesn't instill much confidence.  --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 14:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:They look a lot like the new 20 round curved magazines I've been seeing all over the damn place. And if you're looking for a great tactical game, OF:DR is it. If you're looking for another CoD, look elsewhere.   --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Interesting, I've never seen those before.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I'm regarding Dragon Rising in comparison to the first Operation Flashpoint and the ArmA series, not the more mainstream shooters which OFP never had a lot in common with, so relax, I'm not one of ''them''. :P &lt;br /&gt;
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I got this game for my birthday, and it was nothing like I thought it would be.  More than once did my teammates get themselves killed because I told them to hide behind a wall, but apparently they thought I meant the wall of Chinese ammunition coming at us.  I got to the third mission, then got stuck.  Morons fail to warn me of a Chinese flanking manuever until they were 25m off, and my LVT-5's 25mm cannon conveniently can't hit them because they're so bloody close.  I cashed it in at Gamestop to get money for my Mosin-Nagant M44.  I guess I am too used to Call of Duty...[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 02:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==PLA Sniper Rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
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I just played the game recently and I found what I assume to be an anti-materiel weapon named the M99 which is used by the PLA SpecOps snipers in the final mission (Dragon Fury). I'm new to this editing thing and would like some help with this. I don't have pictures as well, so I have no idea what to do. --[[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==ScreenShots==&lt;br /&gt;
Someone who has this game needs to add screens please [[User:PunisherDave|PunisherDave.45]] 14:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)PunisherDave[[User:PunisherDave|PunisherDave.45]] 14:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==M16 reload==&lt;br /&gt;
Am i the only one who noticed the player reloads the AR-15s with all fingers visible on the left side of the gun, and they don't have ambidextrous mag release. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Predators_(2010)&amp;diff=372406</id>
		<title>Talk:Predators (2010)</title>
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		<updated>2010-12-31T01:21:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Behind the Scenes Images==&lt;br /&gt;
===AA-12===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators03a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming Royce [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|[[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators09a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators08a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|An alternate angle of a behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Minigun===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators15a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] with his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators16a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] as he fires his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Blaser===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Custom Beretta 92FS Inox===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators14a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of [[Louis Changchien|Louis Ozawa Changchien]] firing his Beretta 92FS with compensator - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AKMS===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators10a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew and [[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]] aiming his AKMS rifle - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.predators-movie.com/wallpapers/wallpaper6_standard.jpg mp5k's have Native American covers on the foregrips, also appears to be linked up to shoulder rigs like Alice's from Resident Evil Apocalypse&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mombasa (Mahershalalhashbaz Ali) , the member of an RUF death squad gun?????==&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a gun, he uses it once, when he put it in the convicts face, does aby body knows what gun was that????, it looked like a 45.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was a 1911, read the full discussion and youd see Id already covered this, plus sign your posts - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--[[Special:Contributions/86.21.136.74|86.21.136.74]] 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.&lt;br /&gt;
:Eh, Brody has all of the components of being badass, but hes just...adrian brody. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
Brody plays the part very, very well. He acts like a badass, he fights like a badass, and he is just, generally, a badass. Sure, in the trailer, he doesn't look the part, but by the end of the movie, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy author in Kong, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy Jew in the Pianist. He's just Royce. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Agreed, but i cant get the jew/author out of my head when i saw the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i love predator , even the crappie ones with the aliens , and i saw it and i felt that this is the best sequal to date . but of course arnie is the winner.&amp;quot;GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot; simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons. &lt;br /&gt;
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== How do you know about the guns? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.&lt;br /&gt;
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From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.predators-movie.com/]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry Dillinger.  I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators 9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators 10.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Minigun? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2&amp;quot; and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5&amp;quot; andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and &amp;quot;Ol' Painless&amp;quot; looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.&lt;br /&gt;
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There was A LOT of forced perspective used in Predator to make the Minigun look more impressive.  There were more shots devoted to showcasing the weapon than the two guys carrying it.  There are some behind the scenes shots of Jesse carrying the weapon and it doesn't look so massive.  The M60 foregrip assembly also adds a fair bit of bulk to the weapon, which isn't present in any other incarnation of the Minigun.  In reality the overall length of a handheld M134 falls somewhere between an M4 and an M16. The XM214 is even smaller.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Royce==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Technically speaking, ''nobody'' in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but ''carrying'' and ''using'' are two different things. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the &amp;quot;II&amp;quot; kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a &amp;quot;Moron&amp;quot; but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911.  There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out &amp;quot;its a Kimber narf&amp;quot; --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know who makes the tactical vest the royce character wore in the film? love that extra shell capacity. great movie too. holds up to the orig. imo.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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it looks like a Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest without the pouches, NorthwestShooterSupply.com has what I can see is the closed thing to it, aside from his is wore/dirty and the clips on Royce's are Tan, NWSS.com's are black. Buts it's damn close, and if you want the shell holder Royce has on his chest, their 215 Gear Shotgun Shell Holder Vertical, google it. Now how he riggs the knife between the holder and the vest &amp;quot;is up in the air.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber,  WHAT A SHOCK!  Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec..  Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) [[PunisherDave]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...==&lt;br /&gt;
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this.&lt;br /&gt;
I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&amp;amp;K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks ''AND'' UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 in the script.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Danny Trejo is holding two MP5Ks, not UZIs. It is highly unlikely he'll be having two UZI's strapped to his back, since the script only mentioned two UZIs (which have obviously been changed into two MP5Ks.)]] -- [[User: Warejaws|Warejaws]], March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. &amp;quot;There it is!&amp;quot; bang. bang. Movie over.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. [[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don't think that would be too much of a problem for a sniper. Remember, they're hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Predators was originally Predator 3 written in 1993, so probably the Weapons were changed with more modern Guns. One thing that bothered me was why replace a Micro Uzi with MP5k's. I guess the modern equivilent would have been the MP7.&lt;br /&gt;
:Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree, look at No Country for old man, plus where would he even get a steady flow of ammo for a MP7.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's a big budge movie. They coulda gotten the most advanced and obscured guns never seen in movies yet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just because it has a budget doesnt mean it shouldnt be true to its characters, I would hope they would go practical and logical instead of what might be considered &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot;.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Just seen it (spoiler warning!) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:So no &amp;quot;You ugly mother fucker&amp;quot; ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wrong! The classic line is included, in Russian. Nikolai says it just before he takes the Tracker out. A friend who speaks Russian translated it. Told me it literally comes out as &amp;quot;In your face,&amp;quot; or something similer, but it wouldnt be a stretch to put it as &amp;quot;You're an ugly motherfucker.&amp;quot; - Mikey&lt;br /&gt;
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:::He doesn't actually say you are one ugly mother fucker. Before his death Nikolai says &amp;quot;Ну и рожа у тебя!&amp;quot;, which can be translated as &amp;quot;What a face you got on you!&amp;quot;. No mention of either words for mother or fucker, If we are being acurate --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::While he doesn't actually say &amp;quot;you are one ugly mother fucker,&amp;quot; the Russian line &amp;quot;Ну и рожа у тебя!&amp;quot; is the exact line used by the Russian interpreter as the translation of Arnold's original in the Predator VHS copies circulating in the USSR back in late 1980's (back then, there was literally 1 main interpreter who translated every Hollywood movie pirated into the Soviet Union, in single voice). My guess is Oleg Taktarov actually knew this and suggested the line.  &lt;br /&gt;
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If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, ''he's the new Dutch''. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a ''little bit less'' now... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films ''Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me!'' --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a ''Predator'' fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I did notice that he never shoulders the auto shot, it was really bothering me for some reason, so I watched the movie again, in the opening sequence he seems to have dislocated his shoulder when he fell through the jungle canopy, he pops it back in with an audible snap. Perhaps the recoil is to much for the recent injury to take, I am not sure how much recoil an AA12 packs just trying to give Brody the benefit of the doubt. (Rob)&lt;br /&gt;
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So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, Spades is right. Cuchillo definitely pulled his 1911 and shot numerous rounds at one of the charging hunting dogs. Sort of like Brody should have done, instead of grabbing his machete and cutting it in half. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I was asking if I was being more raciest for assuming it to be a .38 super not for Trejo being cliche.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering, I know Royce's machete was the same as used by Billy in Predator, but does anyone know what type of knife he keeps strapped to his vest, behind his shotgun shells? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm looking at the pictures of Hanzo's Beretta right now (especially the second picture, where he draws it from his coat) and it's obvious that it isn't a plain Inox with custom grips and a compensator. I mean, it obviously has a compensator and custom grips, but the slide and possibly the barrel are both a different color then the frame. The frame appears to be from an Inox, but the slide and barrel look darker, so I honestly think it's some sort of tutone. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not really. If you look at the other caps, the barrel is the same color as the slide, so it must have been because it was in is coat, the darkness made the barrel dark color. Some camera filters makes colors seem different [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, the barrel and the slide are the same color. They are a different color then the frame, however, which was what I was pointing out. The slide, and the barrel, are different colors then the frame, and it couldn't just be a trick of the lighting, as no shadow is being cast on them that isn't also being cast on the rest of the gun, and it couldn't be because of the camera filter, either, since that would also effect the entire gun. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Since no one is disputing that it's a tutone anymore, I'm going to go ahead and change it. Can someone get me a picture of a Beretta that is tutoned like Hanzo's, with a blued slide and barrel but a stainless frame? Until then, I'll be using the closest thing I've got. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design?&amp;quot; I think Steve (User:Phoenixent) one of the armorers on this site built it. Knowing some of the work he's done in the past, it was probably custom built.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. I was thinking of getting one, but seeing as it's custom made, I guess I'm SOL. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 15:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What makes you think Hanzo's Beretta is Two Tone? It looks like an inox with ivory grips and a compensator to me. If you're talking about how the slide's darker then the frame, alot of Beretta inoxes are like that with the slide and barrel being darker then the frame, just look at this Beretta 92FS Vertec.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, while the picture you've posted doesn't have the same look as the one in the film, with a darker slide and barrel, but it does turn out that I was wrong, at least partially. It wasn't a blued barrel and slide on a stainless frame, it was a stainless barrel and slide on an alloy frame. Here's a message I received from the gun's creator.&lt;br /&gt;
::Hi Jack, I custom built the compensator for Hanzo's Beretta. The comp in integrated into the blank conversion of the pistol. I also checked my reference photos for that project and the pistol has a stainless slide and barrel with a alloy frame. I believe the the two tone look is from the lighting and lens filters during filming. Photo two showing him draw his weapon show that it has a stainless top end and alloy frame. Hope this answers some of you questions. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 16:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
So yeah, it turns out that while I was wrong about the kinds of materials that went into the gun, it is technically two toned, since, because of the camera filter, the alloy shows up as being lighter then the stainless parts of the gun. However, I'll leave it up to you guys as to what we should classify it as. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I don't think you can say it's &amp;quot;technically two-toned&amp;quot;. The factory Inox finish (stainless slide/barrel and alloy frame) looks almost two-tone, especially in certain lighting conditions. I don't see what's wrong with calling it a Beretta 92FS Inox, assuming it did come with that finish from the factory (instead of being a blued Beretta that was later re-finished). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[M1911 pistol series|M1911-type pistol]] is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD&lt;br /&gt;
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The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
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I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Kimber are not the only ones that uses or has access to G10 grips...there are other 1911 makers that use that styling of grips.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So who made the final decision on this one and what evidence does he have? And how do you explain the Magazine well that has never been on a Kimber Warrior but for some reason is in this movie?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:''After seeing the movie twice, I see absolutely no definitive proof that Royce's pistol is a Kimber of any kind.  On the contrary, the grips on his gun (which, frankly, are all that we ever see of his gun) are nothing like what is found on a Kimber Warrior.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well I just checked out the licensed toys that are coming out for the Predators film and I know it is only a toy but these companies make sure they get every detail of every part of the character right, there's a picture, not brilliant, but a picture none the less of the toy gun un-holstered and I can guarantee you that the toy company rang the armourer to get it spot on... enjoy link as I can't figure out how to post pictures. GraizeONE. http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/&lt;br /&gt;
:''While Hot Toys is known for their accuracy when it comes to detail, that doesn't always stretch to the weapons.  For example, I believe that their deluxe Dutch figure (from [[Predator]]) equips him with an M16A2/M203 combo, when the actual weapon seen in the movie was an AR15/SP1 and a fake 39mm launcher made to look like the M203.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::They also gave him a 1911 as a sidearm when in the movie he had a Desert Eagle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is a good shot of Royce's 1911 when the group hiding in the complex. You can see the magwell, the grip and part of the compensator. Perhaps a screen capture high-definition would be good on the page. --[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-- Looks like a standard M1911A1 to me --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Disagree. The short grip safety spur, smaller ejection port, and unbeveled trigger cut as well as flatted, sharp cut above the front of the front of the trigger guard suggest original M1911 --Pyrewyrm&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.&lt;br /&gt;
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He fires of 8 rounds before the pistol runs dry. though we cannot be certain he has a ful magazine to start with most weapons in this movie didnt seem to have 'hollywood' magazine capacities - --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-TOKAREV TT33...  Single stack with a VERY tall non adjustable V-notch rear site is the tell all.   The Tokarev fires a 7.62 X 25mm cartridge which, with the right rounds, delivers more foot pounds of energy on target than a 45 caliber.  Sad to say but true.  Hence the high recoil. They are real beasts.  I own one.  I know. Also not a CZ 52 (which I also own).  The CZ 52 is significantly thicker/bulkier/heavier than the Tokarev although it fires the same rounds as the TOK and generates even MORE foot pounds of energy due to it's slide roller locking mechanism. It also has a very small rear V-notch site which is about half the size of that on the Tokarev.  That very tall rear site is a dead giveaway. Look again and you'll see what I mean.  :?) &lt;br /&gt;
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No...but i believe mombasa's sidearm is...most likely a GI model or even a Star model B or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As i said above Mombasa is carrying a 1911, he has it tucked away behind him for a left handed draw, odd as he handles his AK with his right, he never gets a chance to fire it tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This irked me. Noland says he has been on the planet for 10 seasons. During the movie, the humans seem to go through 2 full days. At the end of the movie, a new batch of humans and predators is seen falling in. One would assume that a season is ~2 days. And, if Noland was a scavenger like he said, you don't get fat by living that way. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, the fact that he is slightly crazy, wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, and says that he is Air Cav, not to mention he is past his prime, all point towards him being there for several decades. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's kind of ironic that Larry Fishburne, who also started in &amp;quot;[[Apocalypse Now]]&amp;quot; as a Machine-Gunner would star as an insane air cav soldier years later. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Winchester is right, Nolan is wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, but also RVN era jungle boots and the sleeveless jacket he is wearing over the scavenged 'predator' armor is a 3rd pattern jungle jacket also from the RVN era, with the arms cut off. The slanted chest pockets give it away.&lt;br /&gt;
Noland is meant to have been there since he was abducted from the Vietnam war I would suggest. &amp;quot;10 seasons&amp;quot; bearing in mind what Royce says about the sun on the alien planet and the fact it 'is' an alien planet means that a 'season' could be considerably longer than an 'Earth' year. Average age of a US soldier in RVN was supposedly 19. Add 40 'Earth' years from say 1969 when the war was at it's height, then Noland being 59 years old looks pretty accurate to his physical condition and having mental health issues having been around that long! 4 'Earth' world years to 1 'alien' planet year seems do'able.&lt;br /&gt;
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:well yeah, there was also this guy in the film (Hanzo) who found this SAMURAI SWORD (anybody?) in Noland's hideout...--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I asked this to but it got ignored --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But not the movie! This isnt the script firearms database, if it isnt actually in the film then why are they on the page? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. If it's not in the movie, it shouldn't be on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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For future Reference, the supposed grenade launcher that fires a flare is actually modelled off a Gun in the video game, Killzone for the PS2. A single shot, grenade pistol. Only difference is they replaced the two tone wooden and synthetic grip with an entirely synthetic grip.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Tattoo===&lt;br /&gt;
Anybody know anyone with a Alien tattoo? Or a Predator tattoo? 'Cause I'm planning on getting one of each. &lt;br /&gt;
First I'm gonna get the iconic Alien (pictured below) on my right forearm. Propably then a Predator on my left. Give your opinions and if you know of these kinds of tattoos, give me a yell. Appreciate it. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===New Royce Pic===&lt;br /&gt;
Heres a new pic i stumbed across to help with the ongoing mystery 1911 battle. You can see the compensator poking out of th bottom of the holster so maybe hot toys fig did get the gun right this time? &lt;br /&gt;
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dUHqPRiZ0wQ/TBiYcZbpdGI/AAAAAAAAAI0/nmycSlQfTys/s1600/predators-pic-6.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What is it with this movie and compensators? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Or threading for a supressor. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, now that you mention it, it does look like a threaded barrel with a thread protector on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok. I did a lil homework and the armourer is named Larry Zanoff, anyone know of him or how to get in touch with him as Royce's .45 is still bugging the fuck out of me--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:41, 15 September 2010 (U&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or is that a M4 flashider on his 1911? (Which look like a Kimber to me )&lt;br /&gt;
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Pic: http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/&lt;br /&gt;
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It is impossible to tell the maker of a 1911 by the grip alone...Why do people say it looks like a kimber when all they showed was the grip in a holster...Kimber does not make a model that has those grips with a magwell.&lt;br /&gt;
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===UCP Camo===&lt;br /&gt;
- Why would Royce have a weapon with a UCP pattern and not wear UCP patterned clothes?&lt;br /&gt;
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Ahem... one word... Mercenary? K38&lt;br /&gt;
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Do mercenaries wear whatever they feel like and disregard blending in surroundings?&lt;br /&gt;
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It probably depends where he was when he got captured. Most of the time, you wear camo just so you kinda blend in. If soldiers really wanted to not be seen, they'd all be wearing ghillie suits.&lt;br /&gt;
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During the film, Isabelle mentions that Royce looked the part for Government Black Ops/Mercenary, perhaps he was given the AA-12 as a trial weapon perhaps? I didn't really get a chance to see what timeline the story is actually based on, in Earth years [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Blaser R93 LRS2===&lt;br /&gt;
Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]), an IDF sniper, carries a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle]] fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 described in the script).  In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale.  She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum.  The rifle is usually  outfitted with either a Parker Hale or Harris Bipod.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds003.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle with her Blaser R93 sniper rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PredatorsBlaserAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce and Isabelle face back to back with their weapons.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AliceBragaIsabelleBlaserl93lrs1.jpg#file|thumb|none|600px|Better view of Alice Braga as Isabelle in a production still with her Blazer L93 LRS2 fitted with an elcan digital Hunter Scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, but I think that this SIG Sauer Tactical 2 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&amp;amp;productid=246)&lt;br /&gt;
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What leads you to that conclusion? -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The description from the link says the rifle is by Blaser (synonym probably).&lt;br /&gt;
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The Rifle is a Blaser R93 Tactical 2 or LRS2 no way to tell without seeing it from te right side. In the US Blaser is marketed by SigSauer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hope that picture I got sorts this argument out for you guys. Kode38&lt;br /&gt;
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and also if you read the paragraph in that link it also says its a blaser . simmons8492&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Royce's Knives ===&lt;br /&gt;
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After watching the first half of the movie I've seen at least three. The one I really want to know about is the knife on the right front of his vest, under the shotgun shells. And then the machete he uses to kill one of the &amp;quot;dogs&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the help.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by the shape of the handle, the saw on the back of the blade and the length of the blade in general, i believe the knife on his chest is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C&lt;br /&gt;
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==Predator Hounds==&lt;br /&gt;
Their build seems to go by the philosophy that a strong offence removes the need for a defence, based on the fact that Royce cut one in two that easily while they look like some kinda space-mutant-boar-thingy. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Behind the Scenes Images==&lt;br /&gt;
===AA-12===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators03a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming Royce [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|[[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators09a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators08a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|An alternate angle of a behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Minigun===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators15a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] with his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators16a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] as he fires his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Blaser===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Custom Beretta 92FS Inox===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators14a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of [[Louis Changchien|Louis Ozawa Changchien]] firing his Beretta 92FS with compensator - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AKMS===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators10a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew and [[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]] aiming his AKMS rifle - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predator02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Mombasa relaxes between takes against a tree.  He has an underfolder AK - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators43.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The dead American holding the M1911A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP5K===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cuchillo with his MP5K's. Note the barrel of his 1911 holstered at the back of his belt]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.predators-movie.com/wallpapers/wallpaper6_standard.jpg mp5k's have Native American covers on the foregrips, also appears to be linked up to shoulder rigs like Alice's from Resident Evil Apocalypse&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mombasa (Mahershalalhashbaz Ali) , the member of an RUF death squad gun?????==&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a gun, he uses it once, when he put it in the convicts face, does aby body knows what gun was that????, it looked like a 45.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was a 1911, read the full discussion and youd see Id already covered this, plus sign your posts - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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==anyone seen this yet?==&lt;br /&gt;
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wondering if its any good  -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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nm, noticed its out next week&lt;br /&gt;
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adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--[[Special:Contributions/86.21.136.74|86.21.136.74]] 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.&lt;br /&gt;
:Eh, Brody has all of the components of being badass, but hes just...adrian brody. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
Brody plays the part very, very well. He acts like a badass, he fights like a badass, and he is just, generally, a badass. Sure, in the trailer, he doesn't look the part, but by the end of the movie, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy author in Kong, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy Jew in the Pianist. He's just Royce. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Agreed, but i cant get the jew/author out of my head when i saw the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i love predator , even the crappie ones with the aliens , and i saw it and i felt that this is the best sequal to date . but of course arnie is the winner.&amp;quot;GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot; simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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== youtube content==&lt;br /&gt;
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if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons. &lt;br /&gt;
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Adrien Brody was a good choice. I mean, most soldiers aren't as big as Arnie, most are just wiry but still really tough.&lt;br /&gt;
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== How do you know about the guns? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.&lt;br /&gt;
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From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.predators-movie.com/]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry Dillinger.  I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators 9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators 10.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators12a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Minigun? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2&amp;quot; and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5&amp;quot; andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and &amp;quot;Ol' Painless&amp;quot; looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've seen a minigun in a meuseam, it's actualy pretty small. BTW, how do we know about the script? Did some one of the armorers on here see it and then post here?&lt;br /&gt;
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There was A LOT of forced perspective used in Predator to make the Minigun look more impressive.  There were more shots devoted to showcasing the weapon than the two guys carrying it.  There are some behind the scenes shots of Jesse carrying the weapon and it doesn't look so massive.  The M60 foregrip assembly also adds a fair bit of bulk to the weapon, which isn't present in any other incarnation of the Minigun.  In reality the overall length of a handheld M134 falls somewhere between an M4 and an M16. The XM214 is even smaller.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what tac vest and backpack Nikolai had on? --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Royce==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Technically speaking, ''nobody'' in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but ''carrying'' and ''using'' are two different things. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that is handgun is a kimber desert warrior&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:KimberDesertWarrior.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MEU(SOC) Pistol\Kimber Desert Warrior, .45 ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the &amp;quot;II&amp;quot; kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a &amp;quot;Moron&amp;quot; but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911.  There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out &amp;quot;its a Kimber narf&amp;quot; --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber,  WHAT A SHOCK!  Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec..  Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) [[PunisherDave]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this.&lt;br /&gt;
I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&amp;amp;K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks ''AND'' UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 in the script.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Danny Trejo is holding two MP5Ks, not UZIs. It is highly unlikely he'll be having two UZI's strapped to his back, since the script only mentioned two UZIs (which have obviously been changed into two MP5Ks.)]] -- [[User: Warejaws|Warejaws]], March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. &amp;quot;There it is!&amp;quot; bang. bang. Movie over.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. [[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree, look at No Country for old man, plus where would he even get a steady flow of ammo for a MP7.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's a big budge movie. They coulda gotten the most advanced and obscured guns never seen in movies yet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just because it has a budget doesnt mean it shouldnt be true to its characters, I would hope they would go practical and logical instead of what might be considered &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot;.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:So no &amp;quot;You ugly mother fucker&amp;quot; ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wrong! The classic line is included, in Russian. Nikolai says it just before he takes the Tracker out. A friend who speaks Russian translated it. Told me it literally comes out as &amp;quot;In your face,&amp;quot; or something similer, but it wouldnt be a stretch to put it as &amp;quot;You're an ugly motherfucker.&amp;quot; - Mikey&lt;br /&gt;
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:::He doesn't actually say you are one ugly mother fucker. Before his death Nikolai says &amp;quot;Ну и рожа у тебя!&amp;quot;, which can be translated as &amp;quot;What a face you got on you!&amp;quot;. No mention of either words for mother or fucker, If we are being acurate --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, ''he's the new Dutch''. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a ''little bit less'' now... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films ''Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me!'' --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a ''Predator'' fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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did anyone else notice that Brody didnt shoulder his AA12 once during this film. he always fired from the hip, maybe a lack in training given to the actors as he ment to be ex special forces? anon&lt;br /&gt;
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I did notice that he never shoulders the auto shot, it was really bothering me for some reason, so I watched the movie again, in the opening sequence he seems to have dislocated his shoulder when he fell through the jungle canopy, he pops it back in with an audible snap. Perhaps the recoil is to much for the recent injury to take, I am not sure how much recoil an AA12 packs just trying to give Brody the benefit of the doubt. (Rob)&lt;br /&gt;
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So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, Spades is right. Cuchillo definitely pulled his 1911 and shot numerous rounds at one of the charging hunting dogs. Sort of like Brody should have done, instead of grabbing his machete and cutting it in half. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I was asking if I was being more raciest for assuming it to be a .38 super not for Trejo being cliche.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering, I know Royce's machete was the same as used by Billy in Predator, but does anyone know what type of knife he keeps strapped to his vest, behind his shotgun shells? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm looking at the pictures of Hanzo's Beretta right now (especially the second picture, where he draws it from his coat) and it's obvious that it isn't a plain Inox with custom grips and a compensator. I mean, it obviously has a compensator and custom grips, but the slide and possibly the barrel are both a different color then the frame. The frame appears to be from an Inox, but the slide and barrel look darker, so I honestly think it's some sort of tutone. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not really. If you look at the other caps, the barrel is the same color as the slide, so it must have been because it was in is coat, the darkness made the barrel dark color. Some camera filters makes colors seem different [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, the barrel and the slide are the same color. They are a different color then the frame, however, which was what I was pointing out. The slide, and the barrel, are different colors then the frame, and it couldn't just be a trick of the lighting, as no shadow is being cast on them that isn't also being cast on the rest of the gun, and it couldn't be because of the camera filter, either, since that would also effect the entire gun. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Since no one is disputing that it's a tutone anymore, I'm going to go ahead and change it. Can someone get me a picture of a Beretta that is tutoned like Hanzo's, with a blued slide and barrel but a stainless frame? Until then, I'll be using the closest thing I've got. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design?&amp;quot; I think Steve (User:Phoenixent) one of the armorers on this site built it. Knowing some of the work he's done in the past, it was probably custom built.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. I was thinking of getting one, but seeing as it's custom made, I guess I'm SOL. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 15:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ask him [[User talk:Phoenixent]] he's real good about answering questions, but it may take a while to get back to you.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What makes you think Hanzo's Beretta is Two Tone? It looks like an inox with ivory grips and a compensator to me. If you're talking about how the slide's darker then the frame, alot of Beretta inoxes are like that with the slide and barrel being darker then the frame, just look at this Beretta 92FS Vertec.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, while the picture you've posted doesn't have the same look as the one in the film, with a darker slide and barrel, but it does turn out that I was wrong, at least partially. It wasn't a blued barrel and slide on a stainless frame, it was a stainless barrel and slide on an alloy frame. Here's a message I received from the gun's creator.&lt;br /&gt;
::Hi Jack, I custom built the compensator for Hanzo's Beretta. The comp in integrated into the blank conversion of the pistol. I also checked my reference photos for that project and the pistol has a stainless slide and barrel with a alloy frame. I believe the the two tone look is from the lighting and lens filters during filming. Photo two showing him draw his weapon show that it has a stainless top end and alloy frame. Hope this answers some of you questions. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 16:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
So yeah, it turns out that while I was wrong about the kinds of materials that went into the gun, it is technically two toned, since, because of the camera filter, the alloy shows up as being lighter then the stainless parts of the gun. However, I'll leave it up to you guys as to what we should classify it as. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I don't think you can say it's &amp;quot;technically two-toned&amp;quot;. The factory Inox finish (stainless slide/barrel and alloy frame) looks almost two-tone, especially in certain lighting conditions. I don't see what's wrong with calling it a Beretta 92FS Inox, assuming it did come with that finish from the factory (instead of being a blued Beretta that was later re-finished). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[M1911 pistol series|M1911-type pistol]] is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD&lt;br /&gt;
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The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
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I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Kimber are not the only ones that uses or has access to G10 grips...there are other 1911 makers that use that styling of grips.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So who made the final decision on this one and what evidence does he have? And how do you explain the Magazine well that has never been on a Kimber Warrior but for some reason is in this movie?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I concur with this. There is no clear shot of the slide marking showing the Kimber logo here, and there are MANY models of 1911 pistols with coyote brown micarta grips on them aside from Kimber's. This should be classified as an Unknown 1911 Government Model since there is no proof of the pistol even being made by Kimber, let alone being the specified model.&lt;br /&gt;
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:''After seeing the movie twice, I see absolutely no definitive proof that Royce's pistol is a Kimber of any kind.  On the contrary, the grips on his gun (which, frankly, are all that we ever see of his gun) are nothing like what is found on a Kimber Warrior.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well I just checked out the licensed toys that are coming out for the Predators film and I know it is only a toy but these companies make sure they get every detail of every part of the character right, there's a picture, not brilliant, but a picture none the less of the toy gun un-holstered and I can guarantee you that the toy company rang the armourer to get it spot on... enjoy link as I can't figure out how to post pictures. GraizeONE. http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/&lt;br /&gt;
:''While Hot Toys is known for their accuracy when it comes to detail, that doesn't always stretch to the weapons.  For example, I believe that their deluxe Dutch figure (from [[Predator]]) equips him with an M16A2/M203 combo, when the actual weapon seen in the movie was an AR15/SP1 and a fake 39mm launcher made to look like the M203.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::They also gave him a 1911 as a sidearm when in the movie he had a Desert Eagle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You can see the compensator sticking out the end of his holster in the above pictures, so they got that part right. K38&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is a good shot of Royce's 1911 when the group hiding in the complex. You can see the magwell, the grip and part of the compensator. Perhaps a screen capture high-definition would be good on the page. --[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown M1911 Variant==&lt;br /&gt;
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When the group finds the dead american, an as-of-yet unidentified M1911 pistol can be seen in his hand, slide locked back.&lt;br /&gt;
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-- Looks like a standard M1911A1 to me --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Disagree. The short grip safety spur, smaller ejection port, and unbeveled trigger cut as well as flatted, sharp cut above the front of the front of the trigger guard suggest original M1911 --Pyrewyrm&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Handgun==&lt;br /&gt;
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Nicholai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) uses a handgun of unknown make or model, after his minigun is destroyed.&lt;br /&gt;
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It looked like a Makarov to me. This naturally would fit his character.&lt;br /&gt;
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Im fairly certain it was a tokarev&lt;br /&gt;
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Look liked a CZ 52 standing in for a Tokarev. In fact, I'm almost positive it is. Same magazines with the holes on it when he reloaded it. Was way to angeled to be a Tokarev.&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.&lt;br /&gt;
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The barrel was much too short to be a Makarov, and it was too angled to be a Tokarev, so I have to agree, it was a CZ 52.&lt;br /&gt;
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He fires of 8 rounds before the pistol runs dry. though we cannot be certain he has a ful magazine to start with most weapons in this movie didnt seem to have 'hollywood' magazine capacities - --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-TOKAREV TT33...  Single stack with a VERY tall non adjustable V-notch rear site is the tell all.   The Tokarev fires a 7.62 X 25mm cartridge which, with the right rounds, delivers more foot pounds of energy on target than a 45 caliber.  Sad to say but true.  Hence the high recoil. They are real beasts.  I own one.  I know. Also not a CZ 52 (which I also own).  The CZ 52 is significantly thicker/bulkier/heavier than the Tokarev although it fires the same rounds as the TOK and generates even MORE foot pounds of energy due to it's slide roller locking mechanism. It also has a very small rear V-notch site which is about half the size of that on the Tokarev.  That very tall rear site is a dead giveaway. Look again and you'll see what I mean.  :?) &lt;br /&gt;
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The CZ 52 does hold 8 rounds. =)&lt;br /&gt;
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But so does the Tokarev and the Makarov, so this really doesnt narrow it down much more was my point --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Could his pistol be an M1911? - Venom3945Marine&lt;br /&gt;
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No...but i believe mombasa's sidearm is...most likely a GI model or even a Star model B or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As i said above Mombasa is carrying a 1911, he has it tucked away behind him for a left handed draw, odd as he handles his AK with his right, he never gets a chance to fire it tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with the above user who says however, not to doubt his knowledge about the TT33 on power, but comparing it to a .45 is just not possible. You're talking about two cartridges that are completely different. The .45acp is large and slow moving (roughly 850fps on average)whereas the 7.62x25 is medium in both of these areas. Also the CZ52 is not more powerful due to its chambering mechanism, however it does allow a person to make loads that are much, much hotter than those for the TT33. I've seen them loaded to ridiculous levels that I swear in anything else would make the gun explode. I guess I'm arguing semantics here, but I didn't want someone who was uninformed to misinterpret his post.&lt;br /&gt;
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== The &amp;quot;Vietnam-Era&amp;quot; Claymore ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When Nikolai (Oleg Taktarov) sees Noland's weapons cache, he eyes a M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine on the table. '''He's startled because its a Vietnam-era Claymore, revealing just how long Noland has been on the planet'''. Nikolai apparently grabbed the Claymore mine offscreen, because he is seen using it prominently later. &amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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This irked me. Noland says he has been on the planet for 10 seasons. During the movie, the humans seem to go through 2 full days. At the end of the movie, a new batch of humans and predators is seen falling in. One would assume that a season is ~2 days. And, if Noland was a scavenger like he said, you don't get fat by living that way. &lt;br /&gt;
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I am not saying that Noland has been there for 20days only. I would not think you loose your mental health in 20 days. Just how that sentence was worded makes it seem like he was born and raised there. &lt;br /&gt;
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There were no new predators being dropped in. Those cages were animals that they also hunt. They would probably have to wait at least a year for more predators to show up, assuming by that line that the seasons are 3 years long, or Noland's gone bonkers and lost track of time. &lt;br /&gt;
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A vietnam era claymore doesnt mean hes been there that long, there were authentic samaurai swords, does that mean he lived in feudal japan? Hes scvenged from people who were there a while.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry to post as an anon, I generally lurk but I had to say something on this on.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, the fact that he is slightly crazy, wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, and says that he is Air Cav, not to mention he is past his prime, all point towards him being there for several decades. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's kind of ironic that Larry Fishburne, who also started in &amp;quot;[[Apocalypse Now]]&amp;quot; as a Machine-Gunner would star as an insane air cav soldier years later. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ApnowM60-6.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Laurence Fishburne before he was kidnapped by aliens]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Winchester is right, Nolan is wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, but also RVN era jungle boots and the sleeveless jacket he is wearing over the scavenged 'predator' armor is a 3rd pattern jungle jacket also from the RVN era, with the arms cut off. The slanted chest pockets give it away.&lt;br /&gt;
Noland is meant to have been there since he was abducted from the Vietnam war I would suggest. &amp;quot;10 seasons&amp;quot; bearing in mind what Royce says about the sun on the alien planet and the fact it 'is' an alien planet means that a 'season' could be considerably longer than an 'Earth' year. Average age of a US soldier in RVN was supposedly 19. Add 40 'Earth' years from say 1969 when the war was at it's height, then Noland being 59 years old looks pretty accurate to his physical condition and having mental health issues having been around that long! 4 'Earth' world years to 1 'alien' planet year seems do'able.&lt;br /&gt;
Looks like Noland used the crown off a samurai armor helmet to make up his scavenged 'predator' helmet. Shows how long this hunting has been going on! - Skippy&lt;br /&gt;
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:well yeah, there was also this guy in the film (Hanzo) who found this SAMURAI SWORD (anybody?) in Noland's hideout...--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Pics of Noland here - http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/ev/predators-5-lg.jpg - &amp;amp; here - http://aliensandpredators.tumblr.com/photo/1280/740047511/1/tumblr_l44oyqMAqd1qa1o5z - You can clearly see the Tiger Stripe combat trouser; RVN Jungle Jacket with arms cut off; plus the ancient samurai helmet Noland is using to mount the Predator mask (sorry don't know how to embed the images :\ ) - Skippy&lt;br /&gt;
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==Weapons Cache==&lt;br /&gt;
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i don not see a car-15 or model 29, where are you seeing it?&lt;br /&gt;
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I asked this to but it got ignored --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It was in the script........&lt;br /&gt;
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But not the movie! This isnt the script firearms database, if it isnt actually in the film then why are they on the page? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. If it's not in the movie, it shouldn't be on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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For future Reference, the supposed grenade launcher that fires a flare is actually modelled off a Gun in the video game, Killzone for the PS2. A single shot, grenade pistol. Only difference is they replaced the two tone wooden and synthetic grip with an entirely synthetic grip.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Tattoo==&lt;br /&gt;
Anybody know anyone with a Alien tattoo? Or a Predator tattoo? 'Cause I'm planning on getting one of each. &lt;br /&gt;
First I'm gonna get the iconic Alien (pictured below) on my right forearm. Propably then a Predator on my left. Give your opinions and if you know of these kinds of tattoos, give me a yell. Appreciate it. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==New Royce Pic==&lt;br /&gt;
Heres a new pic i stumbed across to help with the ongoing mystery 1911 battle. You can see the compensator poking out of th bottom of the holster so maybe hot toys fig did get the gun right this time? &lt;br /&gt;
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dUHqPRiZ0wQ/TBiYcZbpdGI/AAAAAAAAAI0/nmycSlQfTys/s1600/predators-pic-6.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What is it with this movie and compensators? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Or threading for a supressor. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, now that you mention it, it does look like a threaded barrel with a thread protector on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok. I did a lil homework and the armourer is named Larry Zanoff, anyone know of him or how to get in touch with him as Royce's .45 is still bugging the fuck out of me--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:41, 15 September 2010 (U&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or is that a M4 flashider on his 1911? (Which look like a Kimber to me )&lt;br /&gt;
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It is impossible to tell the maker of a 1911 by the grip alone...Why do people say it looks like a kimber when all they showed was the grip in a holster...Kimber does not make a model that has those grips with a magwell.&lt;br /&gt;
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==UCP Camo==&lt;br /&gt;
- Why would Royce have a weapon with a UCP pattern and not wear UCP patterned clothes?&lt;br /&gt;
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Ahem... one word... Mercenary? K38&lt;br /&gt;
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Do mercenaries wear whatever they feel like and disregard blending in surroundings?&lt;br /&gt;
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It probably depends where he was when he got captured. Most of the time, you wear camo just so you kinda blend in. If soldiers really wanted to not be seen, they'd all be wearing ghillie suits.&lt;br /&gt;
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During the film, Isabelle mentions that Royce looked the part for Government Black Ops/Mercenary, perhaps he was given the AA-12 as a trial weapon perhaps? I didn't really get a chance to see what timeline the story is actually based on, in Earth years [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blaser R93 LRS2==&lt;br /&gt;
Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]), an IDF sniper, carries a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle]] fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 described in the script).  In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale.  She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum.  The rifle is usually  outfitted with either a Parker Hale or Harris Bipod.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds003.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle with her Blaser R93 sniper rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PredatorsBlaserAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce and Isabelle face back to back with their weapons.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AliceBragaIsabelleBlaserl93lrs1.jpg#file|thumb|none|600px|Better view of Alice Braga as Isabelle in a production still with her Blazer L93 LRS2 fitted with an elcan digital Hunter Scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, but I think that this SIG Sauer Tactical 2 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&amp;amp;productid=246)&lt;br /&gt;
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What leads you to that conclusion? -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The description from the link says the rifle is by Blaser (synonym probably).&lt;br /&gt;
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The Rifle is a Blaser R93 Tactical 2 or LRS2 no way to tell without seeing it from te right side. In the US Blaser is marketed by SigSauer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hope that picture I got sorts this argument out for you guys. Kode38&lt;br /&gt;
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and also if you read the paragraph in that link it also says its a blaser . simmons8492&lt;br /&gt;
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== Royce's Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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After watching the first half of the movie I've seen at least three. The one I really want to know about is the knife on the right front of his vest, under the shotgun shells. And then the machete he uses to kill one of the &amp;quot;dogs&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by the shape of the handle, the saw on the back of the blade and the length of the blade in general, i believe the knife on his chest is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C&lt;br /&gt;
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=Predator Hounds=&lt;br /&gt;
Their build seems to go by the philosophy that a strong offence removes the need for a defence, based on the fact that Royce cut one in two that easily while they look like some kinda space-mutant-boar-thingy. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Behind the Scenes Images==&lt;br /&gt;
===AA-12===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators03a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming Royce [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|[[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators09a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators08a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|An alternate angle of a behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Minigun===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators15a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] with his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators16a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] as he fires his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Blaser===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Custom Beretta 92FS Inox===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators14a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of [[Louis Changchien|Louis Ozawa Changchien]] firing his Beretta 92FS with compensator - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AKMS===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators10a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew and [[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]] aiming his AKMS rifle - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predator02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Mombasa relaxes between takes against a tree.  He has an underfolder AK - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators43.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The dead American holding the M1911A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cuchillo with his MP5K's. Note the barrel of his 1911 holstered at the back of his belt]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.predators-movie.com/wallpapers/wallpaper6_standard.jpg mp5k's have Native American covers on the foregrips, also appears to be linked up to shoulder rigs like Alice's from Resident Evil Apocalypse&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mombasa (Mahershalalhashbaz Ali) , the member of an RUF death squad gun?????==&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a gun, he uses it once, when he put it in the convicts face, does aby body knows what gun was that????, it looked like a 45.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was a 1911, read the full discussion and youd see Id already covered this, plus sign your posts - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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==anyone seen this yet?==&lt;br /&gt;
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wondering if its any good  -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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nm, noticed its out next week&lt;br /&gt;
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adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--[[Special:Contributions/86.21.136.74|86.21.136.74]] 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.&lt;br /&gt;
:Eh, Brody has all of the components of being badass, but hes just...adrian brody. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
Brody plays the part very, very well. He acts like a badass, he fights like a badass, and he is just, generally, a badass. Sure, in the trailer, he doesn't look the part, but by the end of the movie, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy author in Kong, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy Jew in the Pianist. He's just Royce. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i love predator , even the crappie ones with the aliens , and i saw it and i felt that this is the best sequal to date . but of course arnie is the winner.&amp;quot;GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot; simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons. &lt;br /&gt;
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== How do you know about the guns? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.&lt;br /&gt;
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From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.predators-movie.com/]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry Dillinger.  I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators 9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators 10.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Minigun? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2&amp;quot; and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5&amp;quot; andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and &amp;quot;Ol' Painless&amp;quot; looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Royce==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Technically speaking, ''nobody'' in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but ''carrying'' and ''using'' are two different things. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the &amp;quot;II&amp;quot; kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a &amp;quot;Moron&amp;quot; but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911.  There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out &amp;quot;its a Kimber narf&amp;quot; --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know who makes the tactical vest the royce character wore in the film? love that extra shell capacity. great movie too. holds up to the orig. imo.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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it looks like a Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest without the pouches, NorthwestShooterSupply.com has what I can see is the closed thing to it, aside from his is wore/dirty and the clips on Royce's are Tan, NWSS.com's are black. Buts it's damn close, and if you want the shell holder Royce has on his chest, their 215 Gear Shotgun Shell Holder Vertical, google it. Now how he riggs the knife between the holder and the vest &amp;quot;is up in the air.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Just got my Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest, it's exactly like his, even the front buckle and side reliefs are tan. O.o&lt;br /&gt;
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No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber,  WHAT A SHOCK!  Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec..  Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) [[PunisherDave]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...==&lt;br /&gt;
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this.&lt;br /&gt;
I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&amp;amp;K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks ''AND'' UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 in the script.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Danny Trejo is holding two MP5Ks, not UZIs. It is highly unlikely he'll be having two UZI's strapped to his back, since the script only mentioned two UZIs (which have obviously been changed into two MP5Ks.)]] -- [[User: Warejaws|Warejaws]], March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. &amp;quot;There it is!&amp;quot; bang. bang. Movie over.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. [[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don't think that would be too much of a problem for a sniper. Remember, they're hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Replaced Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Predators was originally Predator 3 written in 1993, so probably the Weapons were changed with more modern Guns. One thing that bothered me was why replace a Micro Uzi with MP5k's. I guess the modern equivilent would have been the MP7.&lt;br /&gt;
:Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree, look at No Country for old man, plus where would he even get a steady flow of ammo for a MP7.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's a big budge movie. They coulda gotten the most advanced and obscured guns never seen in movies yet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just because it has a budget doesnt mean it shouldnt be true to its characters, I would hope they would go practical and logical instead of what might be considered &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot;.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Just seen it (spoiler warning!) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:So no &amp;quot;You ugly mother fucker&amp;quot; ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wrong! The classic line is included, in Russian. Nikolai says it just before he takes the Tracker out. A friend who speaks Russian translated it. Told me it literally comes out as &amp;quot;In your face,&amp;quot; or something similer, but it wouldnt be a stretch to put it as &amp;quot;You're an ugly motherfucker.&amp;quot; - Mikey&lt;br /&gt;
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:::He doesn't actually say you are one ugly mother fucker. Before his death Nikolai says &amp;quot;Ну и рожа у тебя!&amp;quot;, which can be translated as &amp;quot;What a face you got on you!&amp;quot;. No mention of either words for mother or fucker, If we are being acurate --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I love when the criminal is says to Chuchillo &amp;quot;come on give me a gun, you got two fucking guns, and you russian, you got a bigass gun give me something&amp;quot; You see all these holstered weapons and nobody gives him anything.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, ''he's the new Dutch''. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a ''little bit less'' now... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films ''Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me!'' --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a ''Predator'' fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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did anyone else notice that Brody didnt shoulder his AA12 once during this film. he always fired from the hip, maybe a lack in training given to the actors as he ment to be ex special forces? anon&lt;br /&gt;
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I did notice that he never shoulders the auto shot, it was really bothering me for some reason, so I watched the movie again, in the opening sequence he seems to have dislocated his shoulder when he fell through the jungle canopy, he pops it back in with an audible snap. Perhaps the recoil is to much for the recent injury to take, I am not sure how much recoil an AA12 packs just trying to give Brody the benefit of the doubt. (Rob)&lt;br /&gt;
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So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's possible (he never fired it, no need for blanks.) but unlikely.&lt;br /&gt;
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What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, Spades is right. Cuchillo definitely pulled his 1911 and shot numerous rounds at one of the charging hunting dogs. Sort of like Brody should have done, instead of grabbing his machete and cutting it in half. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering, I know Royce's machete was the same as used by Billy in Predator, but does anyone know what type of knife he keeps strapped to his vest, behind his shotgun shells? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Predators ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm looking at the pictures of Hanzo's Beretta right now (especially the second picture, where he draws it from his coat) and it's obvious that it isn't a plain Inox with custom grips and a compensator. I mean, it obviously has a compensator and custom grips, but the slide and possibly the barrel are both a different color then the frame. The frame appears to be from an Inox, but the slide and barrel look darker, so I honestly think it's some sort of tutone. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not really. If you look at the other caps, the barrel is the same color as the slide, so it must have been because it was in is coat, the darkness made the barrel dark color. Some camera filters makes colors seem different [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, the barrel and the slide are the same color. They are a different color then the frame, however, which was what I was pointing out. The slide, and the barrel, are different colors then the frame, and it couldn't just be a trick of the lighting, as no shadow is being cast on them that isn't also being cast on the rest of the gun, and it couldn't be because of the camera filter, either, since that would also effect the entire gun. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, as to something mostly unrelated, does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Since no one is disputing that it's a tutone anymore, I'm going to go ahead and change it. Can someone get me a picture of a Beretta that is tutoned like Hanzo's, with a blued slide and barrel but a stainless frame? Until then, I'll be using the closest thing I've got. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design?&amp;quot; I think Steve (User:Phoenixent) one of the armorers on this site built it. Knowing some of the work he's done in the past, it was probably custom built.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. I was thinking of getting one, but seeing as it's custom made, I guess I'm SOL. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 15:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ask him [[User talk:Phoenixent]] he's real good about answering questions, but it may take a while to get back to you.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What makes you think Hanzo's Beretta is Two Tone? It looks like an inox with ivory grips and a compensator to me. If you're talking about how the slide's darker then the frame, alot of Beretta inoxes are like that with the slide and barrel being darker then the frame, just look at this Beretta 92FS Vertec.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, while the picture you've posted doesn't have the same look as the one in the film, with a darker slide and barrel, but it does turn out that I was wrong, at least partially. It wasn't a blued barrel and slide on a stainless frame, it was a stainless barrel and slide on an alloy frame. Here's a message I received from the gun's creator.&lt;br /&gt;
::Hi Jack, I custom built the compensator for Hanzo's Beretta. The comp in integrated into the blank conversion of the pistol. I also checked my reference photos for that project and the pistol has a stainless slide and barrel with a alloy frame. I believe the the two tone look is from the lighting and lens filters during filming. Photo two showing him draw his weapon show that it has a stainless top end and alloy frame. Hope this answers some of you questions. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 16:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
So yeah, it turns out that while I was wrong about the kinds of materials that went into the gun, it is technically two toned, since, because of the camera filter, the alloy shows up as being lighter then the stainless parts of the gun. However, I'll leave it up to you guys as to what we should classify it as. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I don't think you can say it's &amp;quot;technically two-toned&amp;quot;. The factory Inox finish (stainless slide/barrel and alloy frame) looks almost two-tone, especially in certain lighting conditions. I don't see what's wrong with calling it a Beretta 92FS Inox, assuming it did come with that finish from the factory (instead of being a blued Beretta that was later re-finished). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown 1911==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[M1911 pistol series|M1911-type pistol]] is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD&lt;br /&gt;
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-1911 style autos are so customizable that it could be anything, not necessarily a Kimber. Without a clear image of the stamps on the slide, it's not going to be possible to narrow it down to any specific 1911 model.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks like it has a nickel or stainless steel finish. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It did have a magwell like that. Just saw it. But you can get those after market to so dosent mean its a TRP 1911. The grips are Kimber tan ones. They just get dirty so kind look like ACU. Shame he never used it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Kimber are not the only ones that uses or has access to G10 grips...there are other 1911 makers that use that styling of grips.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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--Cuchillo's sidearm wasn't &amp;quot;standard&amp;quot;. It was customized with some kind of ornate plating. -- [[User:Warejaws]] 19:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So who made the final decision on this one and what evidence does he have? And how do you explain the Magazine well that has never been on a Kimber Warrior but for some reason is in this movie?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I concur with this. There is no clear shot of the slide marking showing the Kimber logo here, and there are MANY models of 1911 pistols with coyote brown micarta grips on them aside from Kimber's. This should be classified as an Unknown 1911 Government Model since there is no proof of the pistol even being made by Kimber, let alone being the specified model.&lt;br /&gt;
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:''After seeing the movie twice, I see absolutely no definitive proof that Royce's pistol is a Kimber of any kind.  On the contrary, the grips on his gun (which, frankly, are all that we ever see of his gun) are nothing like what is found on a Kimber Warrior.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well I just checked out the licensed toys that are coming out for the Predators film and I know it is only a toy but these companies make sure they get every detail of every part of the character right, there's a picture, not brilliant, but a picture none the less of the toy gun un-holstered and I can guarantee you that the toy company rang the armourer to get it spot on... enjoy link as I can't figure out how to post pictures. GraizeONE. http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/&lt;br /&gt;
:''While Hot Toys is known for their accuracy when it comes to detail, that doesn't always stretch to the weapons.  For example, I believe that their deluxe Dutch figure (from [[Predator]]) equips him with an M16A2/M203 combo, when the actual weapon seen in the movie was an AR15/SP1 and a fake 39mm launcher made to look like the M203.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::They also gave him a 1911 as a sidearm when in the movie he had a Desert Eagle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You can see the compensator sticking out the end of his holster in the above pictures, so they got that part right. K38&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is a good shot of Royce's 1911 when the group hiding in the complex. You can see the magwell, the grip and part of the compensator. Perhaps a screen capture high-definition would be good on the page. --[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown M1911 Variant==&lt;br /&gt;
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-- Looks like a standard M1911A1 to me --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Disagree. The short grip safety spur, smaller ejection port, and unbeveled trigger cut as well as flatted, sharp cut above the front of the front of the trigger guard suggest original M1911 --Pyrewyrm&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Handgun==&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.&lt;br /&gt;
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He fires of 8 rounds before the pistol runs dry. though we cannot be certain he has a ful magazine to start with most weapons in this movie didnt seem to have 'hollywood' magazine capacities - --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-TOKAREV TT33...  Single stack with a VERY tall non adjustable V-notch rear site is the tell all.   The Tokarev fires a 7.62 X 25mm cartridge which, with the right rounds, delivers more foot pounds of energy on target than a 45 caliber.  Sad to say but true.  Hence the high recoil. They are real beasts.  I own one.  I know. Also not a CZ 52 (which I also own).  The CZ 52 is significantly thicker/bulkier/heavier than the Tokarev although it fires the same rounds as the TOK and generates even MORE foot pounds of energy due to it's slide roller locking mechanism. It also has a very small rear V-notch site which is about half the size of that on the Tokarev.  That very tall rear site is a dead giveaway. Look again and you'll see what I mean.  :?) &lt;br /&gt;
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But so does the Tokarev and the Makarov, so this really doesnt narrow it down much more was my point --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Could his pistol be an M1911? - Venom3945Marine&lt;br /&gt;
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No...but i believe mombasa's sidearm is...most likely a GI model or even a Star model B or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As i said above Mombasa is carrying a 1911, he has it tucked away behind him for a left handed draw, odd as he handles his AK with his right, he never gets a chance to fire it tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The &amp;quot;Vietnam-Era&amp;quot; Claymore ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This irked me. Noland says he has been on the planet for 10 seasons. During the movie, the humans seem to go through 2 full days. At the end of the movie, a new batch of humans and predators is seen falling in. One would assume that a season is ~2 days. And, if Noland was a scavenger like he said, you don't get fat by living that way. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, the fact that he is slightly crazy, wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, and says that he is Air Cav, not to mention he is past his prime, all point towards him being there for several decades. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's kind of ironic that Larry Fishburne, who also started in &amp;quot;[[Apocalypse Now]]&amp;quot; as a Machine-Gunner would star as an insane air cav soldier years later. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Winchester is right, Nolan is wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, but also RVN era jungle boots and the sleeveless jacket he is wearing over the scavenged 'predator' armor is a 3rd pattern jungle jacket also from the RVN era, with the arms cut off. The slanted chest pockets give it away.&lt;br /&gt;
Noland is meant to have been there since he was abducted from the Vietnam war I would suggest. &amp;quot;10 seasons&amp;quot; bearing in mind what Royce says about the sun on the alien planet and the fact it 'is' an alien planet means that a 'season' could be considerably longer than an 'Earth' year. Average age of a US soldier in RVN was supposedly 19. Add 40 'Earth' years from say 1969 when the war was at it's height, then Noland being 59 years old looks pretty accurate to his physical condition and having mental health issues having been around that long! 4 'Earth' world years to 1 'alien' planet year seems do'able.&lt;br /&gt;
Looks like Noland used the crown off a samurai armor helmet to make up his scavenged 'predator' helmet. Shows how long this hunting has been going on! - Skippy&lt;br /&gt;
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:well yeah, there was also this guy in the film (Hanzo) who found this SAMURAI SWORD (anybody?) in Noland's hideout...--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I asked this to but it got ignored --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But not the movie! This isnt the script firearms database, if it isnt actually in the film then why are they on the page? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. If it's not in the movie, it shouldn't be on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Tattoo==&lt;br /&gt;
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First I'm gonna get the iconic Alien (pictured below) on my right forearm. Propably then a Predator on my left. Give your opinions and if you know of these kinds of tattoos, give me a yell. Appreciate it. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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What is it with this movie and compensators? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Or threading for a supressor. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, now that you mention it, it does look like a threaded barrel with a thread protector on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok. I did a lil homework and the armourer is named Larry Zanoff, anyone know of him or how to get in touch with him as Royce's .45 is still bugging the fuck out of me--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:41, 15 September 2010 (U&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or is that a M4 flashider on his 1911? (Which look like a Kimber to me )&lt;br /&gt;
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Pic: http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/&lt;br /&gt;
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It is impossible to tell the maker of a 1911 by the grip alone...Why do people say it looks like a kimber when all they showed was the grip in a holster...Kimber does not make a model that has those grips with a magwell.&lt;br /&gt;
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==UCP Camo==&lt;br /&gt;
- Why would Royce have a weapon with a UCP pattern and not wear UCP patterned clothes?&lt;br /&gt;
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Ahem... one word... Mercenary? K38&lt;br /&gt;
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Do mercenaries wear whatever they feel like and disregard blending in surroundings?&lt;br /&gt;
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It probably depends where he was when he got captured. Most of the time, you wear camo just so you kinda blend in. If soldiers really wanted to not be seen, they'd all be wearing ghillie suits.&lt;br /&gt;
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During the film, Isabelle mentions that Royce looked the part for Government Black Ops/Mercenary, perhaps he was given the AA-12 as a trial weapon perhaps? I didn't really get a chance to see what timeline the story is actually based on, in Earth years [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blaser R93 LRS2==&lt;br /&gt;
Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]), an IDF sniper, carries a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle]] fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 described in the script).  In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale.  She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum.  The rifle is usually  outfitted with either a Parker Hale or Harris Bipod.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds003.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle with her Blaser R93 sniper rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PredatorsBlaserAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce and Isabelle face back to back with their weapons.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AliceBragaIsabelleBlaserl93lrs1.jpg#file|thumb|none|600px|Better view of Alice Braga as Isabelle in a production still with her Blazer L93 LRS2 fitted with an elcan digital Hunter Scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, but I think that this SIG Sauer Tactical 2 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&amp;amp;productid=246)&lt;br /&gt;
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What leads you to that conclusion? -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The description from the link says the rifle is by Blaser (synonym probably).&lt;br /&gt;
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The Rifle is a Blaser R93 Tactical 2 or LRS2 no way to tell without seeing it from te right side. In the US Blaser is marketed by SigSauer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hope that picture I got sorts this argument out for you guys. Kode38&lt;br /&gt;
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and also if you read the paragraph in that link it also says its a blaser . simmons8492&lt;br /&gt;
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== Royce's Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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After watching the first half of the movie I've seen at least three. The one I really want to know about is the knife on the right front of his vest, under the shotgun shells. And then the machete he uses to kill one of the &amp;quot;dogs&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the help.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by the shape of the handle, the saw on the back of the blade and the length of the blade in general, i believe the knife on his chest is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C&lt;br /&gt;
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=Predator Hounds=&lt;br /&gt;
Their build seems to go by the philosophy that a strong offence removes the need for a defence, based on the fact that Royce cut one in two that easily while they look like some kinda space-mutant-boar-thingy. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Behind the Scenes Images==&lt;br /&gt;
===AA-12===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators03a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming Royce [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|[[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators09a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators08a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|An alternate angle of a behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Minigun===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators15a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] with his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators16a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] as he fires his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Blaser===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Custom Beretta 92FS Inox===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators14a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of [[Louis Changchien|Louis Ozawa Changchien]] firing his Beretta 92FS with compensator - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AKMS===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators10a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew and [[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]] aiming his AKMS rifle - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predator02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Mombasa relaxes between takes against a tree.  He has an underfolder AK - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators43.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The dead American holding the M1911A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP5K===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cuchillo with his MP5K's. Note the barrel of his 1911 holstered at the back of his belt]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.predators-movie.com/wallpapers/wallpaper6_standard.jpg mp5k's have Native American covers on the foregrips, also appears to be linked up to shoulder rigs like Alice's from Resident Evil Apocalypse&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mombasa (Mahershalalhashbaz Ali) , the member of an RUF death squad gun?????==&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a gun, he uses it once, when he put it in the convicts face, does aby body knows what gun was that????, it looked like a 45.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was a 1911, read the full discussion and youd see Id already covered this, plus sign your posts - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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==anyone seen this yet?==&lt;br /&gt;
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wondering if its any good  -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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nm, noticed its out next week&lt;br /&gt;
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adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--[[Special:Contributions/86.21.136.74|86.21.136.74]] 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.&lt;br /&gt;
:Eh, Brody has all of the components of being badass, but hes just...adrian brody. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
Brody plays the part very, very well. He acts like a badass, he fights like a badass, and he is just, generally, a badass. Sure, in the trailer, he doesn't look the part, but by the end of the movie, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy author in Kong, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy Jew in the Pianist. He's just Royce. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Agreed, but i cant get the jew/author out of my head when i saw the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i love predator , even the crappie ones with the aliens , and i saw it and i felt that this is the best sequal to date . but of course arnie is the winner.&amp;quot;GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot; simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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== youtube content==&lt;br /&gt;
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if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons. &lt;br /&gt;
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Adrien Brody was a good choice. I mean, most soldiers aren't as big as Arnie, most are just wiry but still really tough.&lt;br /&gt;
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== How do you know about the guns? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.&lt;br /&gt;
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From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.predators-movie.com/]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry Dillinger.  I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators 9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators 10.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators12a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Minigun? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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http://io9.com/5493337/screen-shots-predator/gallery/17&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2&amp;quot; and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5&amp;quot; andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and &amp;quot;Ol' Painless&amp;quot; looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've seen a minigun in a meuseam, it's actualy pretty small. BTW, how do we know about the script? Did some one of the armorers on here see it and then post here?&lt;br /&gt;
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There was A LOT of forced perspective used in Predator to make the Minigun look more impressive.  There were more shots devoted to showcasing the weapon than the two guys carrying it.  There are some behind the scenes shots of Jesse carrying the weapon and it doesn't look so massive.  The M60 foregrip assembly also adds a fair bit of bulk to the weapon, which isn't present in any other incarnation of the Minigun.  In reality the overall length of a handheld M134 falls somewhere between an M4 and an M16. The XM214 is even smaller.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what tac vest and backpack Nikolai had on? --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Royce==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Technically speaking, ''nobody'' in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but ''carrying'' and ''using'' are two different things. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that is handgun is a kimber desert warrior&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:KimberDesertWarrior.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MEU(SOC) Pistol\Kimber Desert Warrior, .45 ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the &amp;quot;II&amp;quot; kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a &amp;quot;Moron&amp;quot; but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911.  There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out &amp;quot;its a Kimber narf&amp;quot; --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know who makes the tactical vest the royce character wore in the film? love that extra shell capacity. great movie too. holds up to the orig. imo.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Miltec makes these vests in various colors they cost 40 dollars or something like that often used by airsofters&lt;br /&gt;
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it looks like a Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest without the pouches, NorthwestShooterSupply.com has what I can see is the closed thing to it, aside from his is wore/dirty and the clips on Royce's are Tan, NWSS.com's are black. Buts it's damn close, and if you want the shell holder Royce has on his chest, their 215 Gear Shotgun Shell Holder Vertical, google it. Now how he riggs the knife between the holder and the vest &amp;quot;is up in the air.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Just got my Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest, it's exactly like his, even the front buckle and side reliefs are tan. O.o&lt;br /&gt;
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No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber,  WHAT A SHOCK!  Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec..  Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) [[PunisherDave]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...==&lt;br /&gt;
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this.&lt;br /&gt;
I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&amp;amp;K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks ''AND'' UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 in the script.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Danny Trejo is holding two MP5Ks, not UZIs. It is highly unlikely he'll be having two UZI's strapped to his back, since the script only mentioned two UZIs (which have obviously been changed into two MP5Ks.)]] -- [[User: Warejaws|Warejaws]], March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. &amp;quot;There it is!&amp;quot; bang. bang. Movie over.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. [[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's a big budge movie. They coulda gotten the most advanced and obscured guns never seen in movies yet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just because it has a budget doesnt mean it shouldnt be true to its characters, I would hope they would go practical and logical instead of what might be considered &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot;.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:So no &amp;quot;You ugly mother fucker&amp;quot; ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wrong! The classic line is included, in Russian. Nikolai says it just before he takes the Tracker out. A friend who speaks Russian translated it. Told me it literally comes out as &amp;quot;In your face,&amp;quot; or something similer, but it wouldnt be a stretch to put it as &amp;quot;You're an ugly motherfucker.&amp;quot; - Mikey&lt;br /&gt;
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:::He doesn't actually say you are one ugly mother fucker. Before his death Nikolai says &amp;quot;Ну и рожа у тебя!&amp;quot;, which can be translated as &amp;quot;What a face you got on you!&amp;quot;. No mention of either words for mother or fucker, If we are being acurate --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, ''he's the new Dutch''. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a ''little bit less'' now... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films ''Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me!'' --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a ''Predator'' fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, Spades is right. Cuchillo definitely pulled his 1911 and shot numerous rounds at one of the charging hunting dogs. Sort of like Brody should have done, instead of grabbing his machete and cutting it in half. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I was asking if I was being more raciest for assuming it to be a .38 super not for Trejo being cliche.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering, I know Royce's machete was the same as used by Billy in Predator, but does anyone know what type of knife he keeps strapped to his vest, behind his shotgun shells? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm looking at the pictures of Hanzo's Beretta right now (especially the second picture, where he draws it from his coat) and it's obvious that it isn't a plain Inox with custom grips and a compensator. I mean, it obviously has a compensator and custom grips, but the slide and possibly the barrel are both a different color then the frame. The frame appears to be from an Inox, but the slide and barrel look darker, so I honestly think it's some sort of tutone. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not really. If you look at the other caps, the barrel is the same color as the slide, so it must have been because it was in is coat, the darkness made the barrel dark color. Some camera filters makes colors seem different [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, the barrel and the slide are the same color. They are a different color then the frame, however, which was what I was pointing out. The slide, and the barrel, are different colors then the frame, and it couldn't just be a trick of the lighting, as no shadow is being cast on them that isn't also being cast on the rest of the gun, and it couldn't be because of the camera filter, either, since that would also effect the entire gun. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Since no one is disputing that it's a tutone anymore, I'm going to go ahead and change it. Can someone get me a picture of a Beretta that is tutoned like Hanzo's, with a blued slide and barrel but a stainless frame? Until then, I'll be using the closest thing I've got. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design?&amp;quot; I think Steve (User:Phoenixent) one of the armorers on this site built it. Knowing some of the work he's done in the past, it was probably custom built.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. I was thinking of getting one, but seeing as it's custom made, I guess I'm SOL. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 15:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ask him [[User talk:Phoenixent]] he's real good about answering questions, but it may take a while to get back to you.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What makes you think Hanzo's Beretta is Two Tone? It looks like an inox with ivory grips and a compensator to me. If you're talking about how the slide's darker then the frame, alot of Beretta inoxes are like that with the slide and barrel being darker then the frame, just look at this Beretta 92FS Vertec.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, while the picture you've posted doesn't have the same look as the one in the film, with a darker slide and barrel, but it does turn out that I was wrong, at least partially. It wasn't a blued barrel and slide on a stainless frame, it was a stainless barrel and slide on an alloy frame. Here's a message I received from the gun's creator.&lt;br /&gt;
::Hi Jack, I custom built the compensator for Hanzo's Beretta. The comp in integrated into the blank conversion of the pistol. I also checked my reference photos for that project and the pistol has a stainless slide and barrel with a alloy frame. I believe the the two tone look is from the lighting and lens filters during filming. Photo two showing him draw his weapon show that it has a stainless top end and alloy frame. Hope this answers some of you questions. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 16:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
So yeah, it turns out that while I was wrong about the kinds of materials that went into the gun, it is technically two toned, since, because of the camera filter, the alloy shows up as being lighter then the stainless parts of the gun. However, I'll leave it up to you guys as to what we should classify it as. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[M1911 pistol series|M1911-type pistol]] is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD&lt;br /&gt;
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The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
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I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So who made the final decision on this one and what evidence does he have? And how do you explain the Magazine well that has never been on a Kimber Warrior but for some reason is in this movie?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well I just checked out the licensed toys that are coming out for the Predators film and I know it is only a toy but these companies make sure they get every detail of every part of the character right, there's a picture, not brilliant, but a picture none the less of the toy gun un-holstered and I can guarantee you that the toy company rang the armourer to get it spot on... enjoy link as I can't figure out how to post pictures. GraizeONE. http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/&lt;br /&gt;
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::They also gave him a 1911 as a sidearm when in the movie he had a Desert Eagle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-- Looks like a standard M1911A1 to me --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Disagree. The short grip safety spur, smaller ejection port, and unbeveled trigger cut as well as flatted, sharp cut above the front of the front of the trigger guard suggest original M1911 --Pyrewyrm&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Handgun==&lt;br /&gt;
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Nicholai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) uses a handgun of unknown make or model, after his minigun is destroyed.&lt;br /&gt;
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It looked like a Makarov to me. This naturally would fit his character.&lt;br /&gt;
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Im fairly certain it was a tokarev&lt;br /&gt;
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Look liked a CZ 52 standing in for a Tokarev. In fact, I'm almost positive it is. Same magazines with the holes on it when he reloaded it. Was way to angeled to be a Tokarev.&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.&lt;br /&gt;
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The barrel was much too short to be a Makarov, and it was too angled to be a Tokarev, so I have to agree, it was a CZ 52.&lt;br /&gt;
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He fires of 8 rounds before the pistol runs dry. though we cannot be certain he has a ful magazine to start with most weapons in this movie didnt seem to have 'hollywood' magazine capacities - --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-TOKAREV TT33...  Single stack with a VERY tall non adjustable V-notch rear site is the tell all.   The Tokarev fires a 7.62 X 25mm cartridge which, with the right rounds, delivers more foot pounds of energy on target than a 45 caliber.  Sad to say but true.  Hence the high recoil. They are real beasts.  I own one.  I know. Also not a CZ 52 (which I also own).  The CZ 52 is significantly thicker/bulkier/heavier than the Tokarev although it fires the same rounds as the TOK and generates even MORE foot pounds of energy due to it's slide roller locking mechanism. It also has a very small rear V-notch site which is about half the size of that on the Tokarev.  That very tall rear site is a dead giveaway. Look again and you'll see what I mean.  :?) &lt;br /&gt;
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The CZ 52 does hold 8 rounds. =)&lt;br /&gt;
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But so does the Tokarev and the Makarov, so this really doesnt narrow it down much more was my point --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Could his pistol be an M1911? - Venom3945Marine&lt;br /&gt;
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No...but i believe mombasa's sidearm is...most likely a GI model or even a Star model B or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As i said above Mombasa is carrying a 1911, he has it tucked away behind him for a left handed draw, odd as he handles his AK with his right, he never gets a chance to fire it tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with the above user who says however, not to doubt his knowledge about the TT33 on power, but comparing it to a .45 is just not possible. You're talking about two cartridges that are completely different. The .45acp is large and slow moving (roughly 850fps on average)whereas the 7.62x25 is medium in both of these areas. Also the CZ52 is not more powerful due to its chambering mechanism, however it does allow a person to make loads that are much, much hotter than those for the TT33. I've seen them loaded to ridiculous levels that I swear in anything else would make the gun explode. I guess I'm arguing semantics here, but I didn't want someone who was uninformed to misinterpret his post.&lt;br /&gt;
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== The &amp;quot;Vietnam-Era&amp;quot; Claymore ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When Nikolai (Oleg Taktarov) sees Noland's weapons cache, he eyes a M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine on the table. '''He's startled because its a Vietnam-era Claymore, revealing just how long Noland has been on the planet'''. Nikolai apparently grabbed the Claymore mine offscreen, because he is seen using it prominently later. &amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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This irked me. Noland says he has been on the planet for 10 seasons. During the movie, the humans seem to go through 2 full days. At the end of the movie, a new batch of humans and predators is seen falling in. One would assume that a season is ~2 days. And, if Noland was a scavenger like he said, you don't get fat by living that way. &lt;br /&gt;
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I am not saying that Noland has been there for 20days only. I would not think you loose your mental health in 20 days. Just how that sentence was worded makes it seem like he was born and raised there. &lt;br /&gt;
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There were no new predators being dropped in. Those cages were animals that they also hunt. They would probably have to wait at least a year for more predators to show up, assuming by that line that the seasons are 3 years long, or Noland's gone bonkers and lost track of time. &lt;br /&gt;
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A vietnam era claymore doesnt mean hes been there that long, there were authentic samaurai swords, does that mean he lived in feudal japan? Hes scvenged from people who were there a while.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry to post as an anon, I generally lurk but I had to say something on this on.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, the fact that he is slightly crazy, wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, and says that he is Air Cav, not to mention he is past his prime, all point towards him being there for several decades. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's kind of ironic that Larry Fishburne, who also started in &amp;quot;[[Apocalypse Now]]&amp;quot; as a Machine-Gunner would star as an insane air cav soldier years later. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ApnowM60-6.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Laurence Fishburne before he was kidnapped by aliens]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Winchester is right, Nolan is wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, but also RVN era jungle boots and the sleeveless jacket he is wearing over the scavenged 'predator' armor is a 3rd pattern jungle jacket also from the RVN era, with the arms cut off. The slanted chest pockets give it away.&lt;br /&gt;
Noland is meant to have been there since he was abducted from the Vietnam war I would suggest. &amp;quot;10 seasons&amp;quot; bearing in mind what Royce says about the sun on the alien planet and the fact it 'is' an alien planet means that a 'season' could be considerably longer than an 'Earth' year. Average age of a US soldier in RVN was supposedly 19. Add 40 'Earth' years from say 1969 when the war was at it's height, then Noland being 59 years old looks pretty accurate to his physical condition and having mental health issues having been around that long! 4 'Earth' world years to 1 'alien' planet year seems do'able.&lt;br /&gt;
Looks like Noland used the crown off a samurai armor helmet to make up his scavenged 'predator' helmet. Shows how long this hunting has been going on! - Skippy&lt;br /&gt;
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:well yeah, there was also this guy in the film (Hanzo) who found this SAMURAI SWORD (anybody?) in Noland's hideout...--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Pics of Noland here - http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/ev/predators-5-lg.jpg - &amp;amp; here - http://aliensandpredators.tumblr.com/photo/1280/740047511/1/tumblr_l44oyqMAqd1qa1o5z - You can clearly see the Tiger Stripe combat trouser; RVN Jungle Jacket with arms cut off; plus the ancient samurai helmet Noland is using to mount the Predator mask (sorry don't know how to embed the images :\ ) - Skippy&lt;br /&gt;
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==Weapons Cache==&lt;br /&gt;
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i don not see a car-15 or model 29, where are you seeing it?&lt;br /&gt;
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I asked this to but it got ignored --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It was in the script........&lt;br /&gt;
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But not the movie! This isnt the script firearms database, if it isnt actually in the film then why are they on the page? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. If it's not in the movie, it shouldn't be on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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For future Reference, the supposed grenade launcher that fires a flare is actually modelled off a Gun in the video game, Killzone for the PS2. A single shot, grenade pistol. Only difference is they replaced the two tone wooden and synthetic grip with an entirely synthetic grip.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators2010GL.gif‎|500px|thumb|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Tattoo==&lt;br /&gt;
Anybody know anyone with a Alien tattoo? Or a Predator tattoo? 'Cause I'm planning on getting one of each. &lt;br /&gt;
First I'm gonna get the iconic Alien (pictured below) on my right forearm. Propably then a Predator on my left. Give your opinions and if you know of these kinds of tattoos, give me a yell. Appreciate it. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==New Royce Pic==&lt;br /&gt;
Heres a new pic i stumbed across to help with the ongoing mystery 1911 battle. You can see the compensator poking out of th bottom of the holster so maybe hot toys fig did get the gun right this time? &lt;br /&gt;
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dUHqPRiZ0wQ/TBiYcZbpdGI/AAAAAAAAAI0/nmycSlQfTys/s1600/predators-pic-6.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What is it with this movie and compensators? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Or threading for a supressor. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, now that you mention it, it does look like a threaded barrel with a thread protector on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok. I did a lil homework and the armourer is named Larry Zanoff, anyone know of him or how to get in touch with him as Royce's .45 is still bugging the fuck out of me--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:41, 15 September 2010 (U&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or is that a M4 flashider on his 1911? (Which look like a Kimber to me )&lt;br /&gt;
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Pic: http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/&lt;br /&gt;
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It is impossible to tell the maker of a 1911 by the grip alone...Why do people say it looks like a kimber when all they showed was the grip in a holster...Kimber does not make a model that has those grips with a magwell.&lt;br /&gt;
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==UCP Camo==&lt;br /&gt;
- Why would Royce have a weapon with a UCP pattern and not wear UCP patterned clothes?&lt;br /&gt;
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Ahem... one word... Mercenary? K38&lt;br /&gt;
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Do mercenaries wear whatever they feel like and disregard blending in surroundings?&lt;br /&gt;
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It probably depends where he was when he got captured. Most of the time, you wear camo just so you kinda blend in. If soldiers really wanted to not be seen, they'd all be wearing ghillie suits.&lt;br /&gt;
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During the film, Isabelle mentions that Royce looked the part for Government Black Ops/Mercenary, perhaps he was given the AA-12 as a trial weapon perhaps? I didn't really get a chance to see what timeline the story is actually based on, in Earth years [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blaser R93 LRS2==&lt;br /&gt;
Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]), an IDF sniper, carries a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle]] fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 described in the script).  In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale.  She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum.  The rifle is usually  outfitted with either a Parker Hale or Harris Bipod.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds003.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle with her Blaser R93 sniper rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PredatorsBlaserAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce and Isabelle face back to back with their weapons.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AliceBragaIsabelleBlaserl93lrs1.jpg#file|thumb|none|600px|Better view of Alice Braga as Isabelle in a production still with her Blazer L93 LRS2 fitted with an elcan digital Hunter Scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, but I think that this SIG Sauer Tactical 2 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&amp;amp;productid=246)&lt;br /&gt;
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What leads you to that conclusion? -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The description from the link says the rifle is by Blaser (synonym probably).&lt;br /&gt;
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The Rifle is a Blaser R93 Tactical 2 or LRS2 no way to tell without seeing it from te right side. In the US Blaser is marketed by SigSauer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hope that picture I got sorts this argument out for you guys. Kode38&lt;br /&gt;
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and also if you read the paragraph in that link it also says its a blaser . simmons8492&lt;br /&gt;
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== Royce's Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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After watching the first half of the movie I've seen at least three. The one I really want to know about is the knife on the right front of his vest, under the shotgun shells. And then the machete he uses to kill one of the &amp;quot;dogs&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the help.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by the shape of the handle, the saw on the back of the blade and the length of the blade in general, i believe the knife on his chest is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C&lt;br /&gt;
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=Predator Hounds=&lt;br /&gt;
Their build seems to go by the philosophy that a strong offence removes the need for a defence, based on the fact that Royce cut one in two that easily while they look like some kinda space-mutant-boar-thingy.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Behind the Scenes Images==&lt;br /&gt;
===AA-12===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators03a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming Royce [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|[[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators09a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators08a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|An alternate angle of a behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Minigun===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators15a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] with his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators16a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] as he fires his M134 Minigun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Blaser===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Custom Beretta 92FS Inox===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators14a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of [[Louis Changchien|Louis Ozawa Changchien]] firing his Beretta 92FS with compensator - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AKMS===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators10a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew and [[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]] aiming his AKMS rifle - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predator02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Mombasa relaxes between takes against a tree.  He has an underfolder AK - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators43.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The dead American holding the M1911A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP5K===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cuchillo with his MP5K's. Note the barrel of his 1911 holstered at the back of his belt]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.predators-movie.com/wallpapers/wallpaper6_standard.jpg mp5k's have Native American covers on the foregrips, also appears to be linked up to shoulder rigs like Alice's from Resident Evil Apocalypse&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mombasa (Mahershalalhashbaz Ali) , the member of an RUF death squad gun?????==&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a gun, he uses it once, when he put it in the convicts face, does aby body knows what gun was that????, it looked like a 45.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was a 1911, read the full discussion and youd see Id already covered this, plus sign your posts - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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==anyone seen this yet?==&lt;br /&gt;
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wondering if its any good  -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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nm, noticed its out next week&lt;br /&gt;
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adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--[[Special:Contributions/86.21.136.74|86.21.136.74]] 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.&lt;br /&gt;
:Eh, Brody has all of the components of being badass, but hes just...adrian brody. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
Brody plays the part very, very well. He acts like a badass, he fights like a badass, and he is just, generally, a badass. Sure, in the trailer, he doesn't look the part, but by the end of the movie, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy author in Kong, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy Jew in the Pianist. He's just Royce. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Agreed, but i cant get the jew/author out of my head when i saw the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i love predator , even the crappie ones with the aliens , and i saw it and i felt that this is the best sequal to date . but of course arnie is the winner.&amp;quot;GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot; simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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== youtube content==&lt;br /&gt;
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if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons. &lt;br /&gt;
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Adrien Brody was a good choice. I mean, most soldiers aren't as big as Arnie, most are just wiry but still really tough.&lt;br /&gt;
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== How do you know about the guns? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.&lt;br /&gt;
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From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.predators-movie.com/]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry Dillinger.  I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators 9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Minigun? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2&amp;quot; and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5&amp;quot; andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and &amp;quot;Ol' Painless&amp;quot; looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Royce==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Technically speaking, ''nobody'' in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but ''carrying'' and ''using'' are two different things. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the &amp;quot;II&amp;quot; kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a &amp;quot;Moron&amp;quot; but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911.  There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out &amp;quot;its a Kimber narf&amp;quot; --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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it looks like a Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest without the pouches, NorthwestShooterSupply.com has what I can see is the closed thing to it, aside from his is wore/dirty and the clips on Royce's are Tan, NWSS.com's are black. Buts it's damn close, and if you want the shell holder Royce has on his chest, their 215 Gear Shotgun Shell Holder Vertical, google it. Now how he riggs the knife between the holder and the vest &amp;quot;is up in the air.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber,  WHAT A SHOCK!  Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec..  Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) [[PunisherDave]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...==&lt;br /&gt;
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Preds004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Danny Trejo is holding two MP5Ks, not UZIs. It is highly unlikely he'll be having two UZI's strapped to his back, since the script only mentioned two UZIs (which have obviously been changed into two MP5Ks.)]] -- [[User: Warejaws|Warejaws]], March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. &amp;quot;There it is!&amp;quot; bang. bang. Movie over.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. [[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don't think that would be too much of a problem for a sniper. Remember, they're hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Predators was originally Predator 3 written in 1993, so probably the Weapons were changed with more modern Guns. One thing that bothered me was why replace a Micro Uzi with MP5k's. I guess the modern equivilent would have been the MP7.&lt;br /&gt;
:Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree, look at No Country for old man, plus where would he even get a steady flow of ammo for a MP7.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's a big budge movie. They coulda gotten the most advanced and obscured guns never seen in movies yet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just because it has a budget doesnt mean it shouldnt be true to its characters, I would hope they would go practical and logical instead of what might be considered &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot;.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:So no &amp;quot;You ugly mother fucker&amp;quot; ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wrong! The classic line is included, in Russian. Nikolai says it just before he takes the Tracker out. A friend who speaks Russian translated it. Told me it literally comes out as &amp;quot;In your face,&amp;quot; or something similer, but it wouldnt be a stretch to put it as &amp;quot;You're an ugly motherfucker.&amp;quot; - Mikey&lt;br /&gt;
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:::He doesn't actually say you are one ugly mother fucker. Before his death Nikolai says &amp;quot;Ну и рожа у тебя!&amp;quot;, which can be translated as &amp;quot;What a face you got on you!&amp;quot;. No mention of either words for mother or fucker, If we are being acurate --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I love when the criminal is says to Chuchillo &amp;quot;come on give me a gun, you got two fucking guns, and you russian, you got a bigass gun give me something&amp;quot; You see all these holstered weapons and nobody gives him anything.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, ''he's the new Dutch''. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a ''little bit less'' now... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films ''Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me!'' --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a ''Predator'' fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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did anyone else notice that Brody didnt shoulder his AA12 once during this film. he always fired from the hip, maybe a lack in training given to the actors as he ment to be ex special forces? anon&lt;br /&gt;
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I did notice that he never shoulders the auto shot, it was really bothering me for some reason, so I watched the movie again, in the opening sequence he seems to have dislocated his shoulder when he fell through the jungle canopy, he pops it back in with an audible snap. Perhaps the recoil is to much for the recent injury to take, I am not sure how much recoil an AA12 packs just trying to give Brody the benefit of the doubt. (Rob)&lt;br /&gt;
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So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, Spades is right. Cuchillo definitely pulled his 1911 and shot numerous rounds at one of the charging hunting dogs. Sort of like Brody should have done, instead of grabbing his machete and cutting it in half. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I was asking if I was being more raciest for assuming it to be a .38 super not for Trejo being cliche.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering, I know Royce's machete was the same as used by Billy in Predator, but does anyone know what type of knife he keeps strapped to his vest, behind his shotgun shells? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The knife is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C -John&lt;br /&gt;
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I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm looking at the pictures of Hanzo's Beretta right now (especially the second picture, where he draws it from his coat) and it's obvious that it isn't a plain Inox with custom grips and a compensator. I mean, it obviously has a compensator and custom grips, but the slide and possibly the barrel are both a different color then the frame. The frame appears to be from an Inox, but the slide and barrel look darker, so I honestly think it's some sort of tutone. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not really. If you look at the other caps, the barrel is the same color as the slide, so it must have been because it was in is coat, the darkness made the barrel dark color. Some camera filters makes colors seem different [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, the barrel and the slide are the same color. They are a different color then the frame, however, which was what I was pointing out. The slide, and the barrel, are different colors then the frame, and it couldn't just be a trick of the lighting, as no shadow is being cast on them that isn't also being cast on the rest of the gun, and it couldn't be because of the camera filter, either, since that would also effect the entire gun. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, as to something mostly unrelated, does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Since no one is disputing that it's a tutone anymore, I'm going to go ahead and change it. Can someone get me a picture of a Beretta that is tutoned like Hanzo's, with a blued slide and barrel but a stainless frame? Until then, I'll be using the closest thing I've got. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design?&amp;quot; I think Steve (User:Phoenixent) one of the armorers on this site built it. Knowing some of the work he's done in the past, it was probably custom built.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. I was thinking of getting one, but seeing as it's custom made, I guess I'm SOL. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 15:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ask him [[User talk:Phoenixent]] he's real good about answering questions, but it may take a while to get back to you.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What makes you think Hanzo's Beretta is Two Tone? It looks like an inox with ivory grips and a compensator to me. If you're talking about how the slide's darker then the frame, alot of Beretta inoxes are like that with the slide and barrel being darker then the frame, just look at this Beretta 92FS Vertec.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, while the picture you've posted doesn't have the same look as the one in the film, with a darker slide and barrel, but it does turn out that I was wrong, at least partially. It wasn't a blued barrel and slide on a stainless frame, it was a stainless barrel and slide on an alloy frame. Here's a message I received from the gun's creator.&lt;br /&gt;
::Hi Jack, I custom built the compensator for Hanzo's Beretta. The comp in integrated into the blank conversion of the pistol. I also checked my reference photos for that project and the pistol has a stainless slide and barrel with a alloy frame. I believe the the two tone look is from the lighting and lens filters during filming. Photo two showing him draw his weapon show that it has a stainless top end and alloy frame. Hope this answers some of you questions. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 16:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
So yeah, it turns out that while I was wrong about the kinds of materials that went into the gun, it is technically two toned, since, because of the camera filter, the alloy shows up as being lighter then the stainless parts of the gun. However, I'll leave it up to you guys as to what we should classify it as. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown 1911==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[M1911 pistol series|M1911-type pistol]] is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD&lt;br /&gt;
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-1911 style autos are so customizable that it could be anything, not necessarily a Kimber. Without a clear image of the stamps on the slide, it's not going to be possible to narrow it down to any specific 1911 model.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks like it has a nickel or stainless steel finish. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It did have a magwell like that. Just saw it. But you can get those after market to so dosent mean its a TRP 1911. The grips are Kimber tan ones. They just get dirty so kind look like ACU. Shame he never used it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Kimber are not the only ones that uses or has access to G10 grips...there are other 1911 makers that use that styling of grips.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. It was standard with nickle finish. Pretty sure Cuchillo's was the same prop.&lt;br /&gt;
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Dead soldier with hole in his chest also had a 1911 with the slide locked back in his hands. Funny, they said he was supposed to be in Afghanistan but was wearing tiger stripe!&lt;br /&gt;
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ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So who made the final decision on this one and what evidence does he have? And how do you explain the Magazine well that has never been on a Kimber Warrior but for some reason is in this movie?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I concur with this. There is no clear shot of the slide marking showing the Kimber logo here, and there are MANY models of 1911 pistols with coyote brown micarta grips on them aside from Kimber's. This should be classified as an Unknown 1911 Government Model since there is no proof of the pistol even being made by Kimber, let alone being the specified model.&lt;br /&gt;
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:''After seeing the movie twice, I see absolutely no definitive proof that Royce's pistol is a Kimber of any kind.  On the contrary, the grips on his gun (which, frankly, are all that we ever see of his gun) are nothing like what is found on a Kimber Warrior.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well I just checked out the licensed toys that are coming out for the Predators film and I know it is only a toy but these companies make sure they get every detail of every part of the character right, there's a picture, not brilliant, but a picture none the less of the toy gun un-holstered and I can guarantee you that the toy company rang the armourer to get it spot on... enjoy link as I can't figure out how to post pictures. GraizeONE. http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/&lt;br /&gt;
:''While Hot Toys is known for their accuracy when it comes to detail, that doesn't always stretch to the weapons.  For example, I believe that their deluxe Dutch figure (from [[Predator]]) equips him with an M16A2/M203 combo, when the actual weapon seen in the movie was an AR15/SP1 and a fake 39mm launcher made to look like the M203.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::They also gave him a 1911 as a sidearm when in the movie he had a Desert Eagle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You can see the compensator sticking out the end of his holster in the above pictures, so they got that part right. K38&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is a good shot of Royce's 1911 when the group hiding in the complex. You can see the magwell, the grip and part of the compensator. Perhaps a screen capture high-definition would be good on the page. --[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown M1911 Variant==&lt;br /&gt;
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-- Looks like a standard M1911A1 to me --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Disagree. The short grip safety spur, smaller ejection port, and unbeveled trigger cut as well as flatted, sharp cut above the front of the front of the trigger guard suggest original M1911 --Pyrewyrm&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Handgun==&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.&lt;br /&gt;
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He fires of 8 rounds before the pistol runs dry. though we cannot be certain he has a ful magazine to start with most weapons in this movie didnt seem to have 'hollywood' magazine capacities - --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-TOKAREV TT33...  Single stack with a VERY tall non adjustable V-notch rear site is the tell all.   The Tokarev fires a 7.62 X 25mm cartridge which, with the right rounds, delivers more foot pounds of energy on target than a 45 caliber.  Sad to say but true.  Hence the high recoil. They are real beasts.  I own one.  I know. Also not a CZ 52 (which I also own).  The CZ 52 is significantly thicker/bulkier/heavier than the Tokarev although it fires the same rounds as the TOK and generates even MORE foot pounds of energy due to it's slide roller locking mechanism. It also has a very small rear V-notch site which is about half the size of that on the Tokarev.  That very tall rear site is a dead giveaway. Look again and you'll see what I mean.  :?) &lt;br /&gt;
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But so does the Tokarev and the Makarov, so this really doesnt narrow it down much more was my point --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Could his pistol be an M1911? - Venom3945Marine&lt;br /&gt;
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No...but i believe mombasa's sidearm is...most likely a GI model or even a Star model B or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As i said above Mombasa is carrying a 1911, he has it tucked away behind him for a left handed draw, odd as he handles his AK with his right, he never gets a chance to fire it tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with the above user who says however, not to doubt his knowledge about the TT33 on power, but comparing it to a .45 is just not possible. You're talking about two cartridges that are completely different. The .45acp is large and slow moving (roughly 850fps on average)whereas the 7.62x25 is medium in both of these areas. Also the CZ52 is not more powerful due to its chambering mechanism, however it does allow a person to make loads that are much, much hotter than those for the TT33. I've seen them loaded to ridiculous levels that I swear in anything else would make the gun explode. I guess I'm arguing semantics here, but I didn't want someone who was uninformed to misinterpret his post.&lt;br /&gt;
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== The &amp;quot;Vietnam-Era&amp;quot; Claymore ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This irked me. Noland says he has been on the planet for 10 seasons. During the movie, the humans seem to go through 2 full days. At the end of the movie, a new batch of humans and predators is seen falling in. One would assume that a season is ~2 days. And, if Noland was a scavenger like he said, you don't get fat by living that way. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, the fact that he is slightly crazy, wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, and says that he is Air Cav, not to mention he is past his prime, all point towards him being there for several decades. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's kind of ironic that Larry Fishburne, who also started in &amp;quot;[[Apocalypse Now]]&amp;quot; as a Machine-Gunner would star as an insane air cav soldier years later. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Winchester is right, Nolan is wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, but also RVN era jungle boots and the sleeveless jacket he is wearing over the scavenged 'predator' armor is a 3rd pattern jungle jacket also from the RVN era, with the arms cut off. The slanted chest pockets give it away.&lt;br /&gt;
Noland is meant to have been there since he was abducted from the Vietnam war I would suggest. &amp;quot;10 seasons&amp;quot; bearing in mind what Royce says about the sun on the alien planet and the fact it 'is' an alien planet means that a 'season' could be considerably longer than an 'Earth' year. Average age of a US soldier in RVN was supposedly 19. Add 40 'Earth' years from say 1969 when the war was at it's height, then Noland being 59 years old looks pretty accurate to his physical condition and having mental health issues having been around that long! 4 'Earth' world years to 1 'alien' planet year seems do'able.&lt;br /&gt;
Looks like Noland used the crown off a samurai armor helmet to make up his scavenged 'predator' helmet. Shows how long this hunting has been going on! - Skippy&lt;br /&gt;
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:well yeah, there was also this guy in the film (Hanzo) who found this SAMURAI SWORD (anybody?) in Noland's hideout...--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I asked this to but it got ignored --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But not the movie! This isnt the script firearms database, if it isnt actually in the film then why are they on the page? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. If it's not in the movie, it shouldn't be on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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For future Reference, the supposed grenade launcher that fires a flare is actually modelled off a Gun in the video game, Killzone for the PS2. A single shot, grenade pistol. Only difference is they replaced the two tone wooden and synthetic grip with an entirely synthetic grip.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Tattoo==&lt;br /&gt;
Anybody know anyone with a Alien tattoo? Or a Predator tattoo? 'Cause I'm planning on getting one of each. &lt;br /&gt;
First I'm gonna get the iconic Alien (pictured below) on my right forearm. Propably then a Predator on my left. Give your opinions and if you know of these kinds of tattoos, give me a yell. Appreciate it. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==New Royce Pic==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is it with this movie and compensators? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok. I did a lil homework and the armourer is named Larry Zanoff, anyone know of him or how to get in touch with him as Royce's .45 is still bugging the fuck out of me--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:41, 15 September 2010 (U&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or is that a M4 flashider on his 1911? (Which look like a Kimber to me )&lt;br /&gt;
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Ahem... one word... Mercenary? K38&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blaser R93 LRS2==&lt;br /&gt;
Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]), an IDF sniper, carries a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle]] fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 described in the script).  In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale.  She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum.  The rifle is usually  outfitted with either a Parker Hale or Harris Bipod.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PredatorsBlaserAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce and Isabelle face back to back with their weapons.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AliceBragaIsabelleBlaserl93lrs1.jpg#file|thumb|none|600px|Better view of Alice Braga as Isabelle in a production still with her Blazer L93 LRS2 fitted with an elcan digital Hunter Scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, but I think that this SIG Sauer Tactical 2 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&amp;amp;productid=246)&lt;br /&gt;
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What leads you to that conclusion? -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The description from the link says the rifle is by Blaser (synonym probably).&lt;br /&gt;
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The Rifle is a Blaser R93 Tactical 2 or LRS2 no way to tell without seeing it from te right side. In the US Blaser is marketed by SigSauer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hope that picture I got sorts this argument out for you guys. Kode38&lt;br /&gt;
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and also if you read the paragraph in that link it also says its a blaser . simmons8492&lt;br /&gt;
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== Royce's Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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After watching the first half of the movie I've seen at least three. The one I really want to know about is the knife on the right front of his vest, under the shotgun shells. And then the machete he uses to kill one of the &amp;quot;dogs&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by the shape of the handle, the saw on the back of the blade and the length of the blade in general, i believe the knife on his chest is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C&lt;br /&gt;
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==Predator Hounds==&lt;br /&gt;
Their build seems to go by the philosophy that a strong offence removes the need for a defence, based on the fact that Royce cut one in two that easily while they look like some kinda space-mutant-boar-thingy.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Is anyone else kind of pissed most of the weapons are from BFBC1?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
I see a lot of people calling the Beretta 92 series and the Beretta 93 for M92 and M93 respectively, so i decided to put this at the top because i feel it is important: '''THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN M92 OR M93!''' There is one Beretta pistol with an &amp;quot;M&amp;quot; before it's number and that is the M9, which is kinda unique because it's really just a Beretta 92FS made for the US Military and manufactored in the US of A. But remember folks, do not put an M in front of the number of Beretta pistols, unless it's the M9!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Red dot in gameplay==&lt;br /&gt;
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       not really, at least they made the ammo count realistic on this one. And they added a customization option so at least they have a little more variety.&lt;br /&gt;
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 I hope weapon damage will be as low as in BC1, because it will take more skill to kill.--[[Special:Contributions/178.92.236.41|178.92.236.41]] 07:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Indeed. The way the weapons were balanced in BC1 was exemplary, and should be carried over to BC2.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's based off of the Russian made Kobra Red Dot Sight.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Demo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, i recently downloaded the xbox demo and i have a few questions: &lt;br /&gt;
1) Can you play as American forces? 2) Can you have any gun other than the AEK-971? 3) And is there any location other than the arctic location? [[user:smish34|smish34]]       &lt;br /&gt;
:::1) yes, there there will be in the full game. I think your a merc in the defenders in the demo, not US. 2) just keep using the AEK you will unlock the XM8. 3) Not in the demo, but there will be jungle and forest maps in the full game--[[User:Sniperinthemist|Sniperinthemist]] 17:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::They're not mercs, they're US Army. Mercenaries don't have A10's or Bradley IFV,&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The M16 in Battlfield: Bad Company is clearly an M16A4. It should be obvious with a close examination of the knobs on the removable carry handle...even more obvious in Bad Company 2 when you put a reflex or ACOG sight on it and the carry handle is removed.&lt;br /&gt;
::M16A2 with A4 upper? What ever.. They'll just call it eM-Sixteen.&lt;br /&gt;
::I am the person who actually uploaded the picture of M16. Somebody left that it was M16A4 so that i just assumed that it is M16A2 because they all fires in burst mod, has detachable carring handle, and so on and on... I just don't know whether it is truly m16a2, or m16a4 yet.... ZZANG1847&lt;br /&gt;
::The M16A4 has the same three-round burst trigger group as the M16A2. The M16A3 is the variant with the full auto trigger group.&lt;br /&gt;
:Definitely an A4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Lowar resivar has M16A2 markings.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&amp;quot;Lower receiver&amp;quot;, you mean. Learn to spell. The image shows a detachable carry handle signified by the round knobs on the right side of the receiver. That's an A4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/M16A4_Assault_Rifle read this before you throw around the word &amp;quot;Definitely around&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Remember this. What the developers do is their business. And if they know NOTHING about guns, that is also their problems. We ID guns here on real world knowledge, not the confirmed knowledge that game developers tell the fans because most of the time the people who make the games don't know a damn thing about guns aside from that they make lots of noise and brass flying around. And I just looked at the image again from the screen cap. It IS more of an A4 because of the removable carrying handle. The A2, yes is burst, but the real world one is a fixed carrying handle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like I said, Mr. Anon: '''Definitely''' an A4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It's not even an M16.  Why? It ejects to the left instead of the right.[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 12:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A lot of rifle systems do have the brass eject to the left for left handed shooters, but this is more of a game designer decision for them because they think brass jumping to the left when the shooter is right handed is &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot;. Sometimes it does bother me when I shoot without aiming down the sight. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== VSS Red Dot? ==&lt;br /&gt;
I heard you can get the VSS (and all other sniper rifles) with red dot sights, is this true? Anyone got a video or screenshot to confirm this. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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its true, play the demo, theres 3 diffrent scopes for your rifle along with a spotter tool to mount ontop of the scope.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sadly we don't get many guns or any attachments on the 360 Demo. no Beta for us you see. And off topic, but can someone lend me an acct so I can register as BC vet to get the F2000 on BC and the Garand on BC2? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Just clearing this up, just because most of the weapons in the Engineer class are SMGs, doesn't mean they've classified all weapons under that class to be SMGs. Same for BC1 where everyone thought they were mislabelling the assault rifles in the specialist class as SMGs. Engineers (and speciallists, in BC1's case) use silenced assault rifles too, as we've all seen.&lt;br /&gt;
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then tell me why the devs tone down the smg of the &amp;quot;assault rifles&amp;quot; in the Smg class, weapons like the scar and ak74su should do much more dmg than an UZI or ump45, but there isnt a major diffrence they are both very weak. why do they do this? because to balance the game, they make it so the Engineer doesnt run around with a rocket launcher and a very powerful primary.&lt;br /&gt;
:They differentiate AR's and SMG's in &amp;quot;Engineer&amp;quot; class. Assault rifles have medium range, power and submashine guns have everything low, but high rate of fire.&lt;br /&gt;
:: UMP's damage should be higher.  .45 is about twice the diameter of a 5.56 (.223).  But they mislabeled a lot of things.  Yes, the Scar, XM8C, the AN-91, and the AKS-74u are all assualt class weapons.  The XM8C and the AKS-74u are compact or carbine versions of a bigger gun (XM8 and the AK-74).[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 12:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No the 5.56X45mm Rifle round should be much higher than that of the UMP. there is a reason why a friend of mine's SWAT team students are all switching to short barreled 5.56mm weapons insted of the MP5s they were useing. Looking at the results from testing with Ballistic jell the 5.56mm creates horrible wounds at SMG ranges even with a SMG lenght barrel. Reason being is that unlike the .45 which crushes it's way through a target the 5.56mm tumbles and fragments. Literally X-rays of a 5.56mm round have been described as looking like a snowstorm, it just tears up the target at close range.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What about over penetration? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
Funny thing is that at least with FMJ rounds 9mm and .45ACP have more overpenatration of the materials used in modern housing than a 5.56mm round. As far as the human body goes the 5.56mm has little overpenatration when it comes to modern Law Enforcement bullet designs. As i said I have a buddy who trains SWAT teams and there are alot of practical reasons they are switching from the MP5 to members of the AR15/M16 family. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:43, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Funny thing is 5.56 rounds have been noticed to just punch tiny holes in people.  A .45 round is like getting hit by a truck.  9mm rounds are also quite small and underpowered.&lt;br /&gt;
No what is funny is that in ballistic testing the 5.56X45mm round produces much more impressive wounds than any handgun round unless you use ammunition designed specifically not to fragment. When the 5.56mm round first came out there were countries who though that the 5.56mm round produced horrific wounds due to it's fragmentary properties, at least until the US showed in testing that their 7.62mm NATO rounds acted the same way with a much larger bullet. Look up Fackler and Ballistic testing if you want the facts. Outside of a lab I have heard no complains from my various Military and Medical Professional friends. They all note that Rifle rounds kill better than pistol rounds. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 06:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Go ask your friends or just read up somemore. 5.56 NATO wont fragment when shot from barrel shorter than 18&amp;quot;. So your buddies have just good armor punchers, not stoppers. And not everyday outlaws wear ballistic vests of higher class of protection. Headshots save the day everyday though:)&lt;br /&gt;
::::My friends use M4 carbines on live humans with and without body armor. I'll trust their judgement on the reason some of them happily turned in their M16A4 for an M4 carbine. I personally have used 5.56mm weapons down to 7 1/2 inches of barrel and there has been no problem with varmit control. Still the poster below me is right to say that to accuratly portray ballistic damage in a game would take something along the lines of a supercomputer programmed by a physics PHD pool and decades of study. Hell People are still trying to figure out the fine details about how bullets cause injury outside of just punching a hole in things.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 5.56 (NATO, at least) is a full metal jacketed round, so it's got significant penetrating power. It's also much sharper. It's main advantage, though, is it's velocity. Yes, it's true, the 5.56 is a small round, but that round is fired with around 1700 joules of force, while a general .45 ACP has between 400-700 joules of force. Federal Premium .45 rounds have 559 J of force. It's also true that 5.56 tends to tumble and create shredding wounds, but one of the main criticisms of the round is that it does so predictably. We can't use that example as reliably as we are. Just remember that the 5.56 fires 3 times as fast as a .45. You two are arguing about the &amp;quot;power&amp;quot; of the round, however. It's not really possible to create a single damage statistic for a bullet in a game and speak of realism. 5.56 rounds have been known to wound grievously, but not literally knock down targets as effectively as other rounds. A pistol round, while bigger, will not necessarily leave more effective wounds, but in some cases, that &amp;quot;stopping power&amp;quot; is more valued than the ability to wound. Now all the of the game's rounds, save some sniper and machine gun rounds, do not have bullet drop. This eliminates the biggest advantage of mid-size or full-size rounds over pistol rounds. Not only that, but all bullets travel at the same velocity in-game. Therefore arguing about a damage statistic would be difficult as you have to factor in many, many different facets of ballistics that simply aren't present in-game.--[[User:Strategos|Strategos]] 01:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember penetrating power =/= brute force.  During WWII, some Japanese soldiers would be hyped on painkillers, and the M1 would punch tiny holes, while a Thompson or a M1911 would knock them flat on their rear.  Programming the tumbling factor in a game would be too hard to do, so wouldn't a lead weight do more damage than a needle?  [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
They cannot properly replicate the terminal ballistics but they can demonstraite the fact that Rifles and Rifle rounds kill things better than Pistols or pistol rounds through programed damage. As far as any pistol round knocking someone flat that is impossible to do through physics or it would have knocked over the person with the Thompson or M1911. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 04:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:being knocked over is basically dieing.  The standard green tip 5.56 tears through people, only leaving a hole.  For instance, if you have read Black Hawk Down, most of the Rangers remember that it took like 5 to 6 rounds just to kill a man, or knock him down for a moment.  A .45 generally kills within the first 2~3 shots. [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Many stories of that came out of Somalia.  I've heard stories of a D-boy who engaged a target twice in the chest with his rifle with the green tipped ammo, turned away for a second, turned back and engaged it again, and repeated this TWICE MORE.  After that, he engaged the target with his sidearm and that seemed to do the trick.  Moral of the story?  Ammunition made for shooting armored targets doesn't work well on unarmored.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 11:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
While i am removing the blatantly racist comment the poster was right when they said that the Clan gunmen were high on a local form of Methamphetamine. What would normally have someone crawl off to bleed out somewhere had less effect than it should have. With people high on drugs unless you hit the CNS or they bleed out a hostile can still fight long past when they should have dropped. There are recorded cases of Iraqi insurgents takeing point blank bursts from the M240 on a bradley and still fighting. Thankfully in Somalia the Warlords did not have modern drugs in their systems.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 21:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That 'local meth' is called qat.  Commonly pronounced like 'cot'.  In Somalia, it's basically the national dish.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 11:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I remembered the drug thing right after I posted it, but even in Japan it worked that way, occasionaly...[[Special:Contributions/70.149.50.57|70.149.50.57]] 00:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lefty side brass flying ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When I play Modern Warfare 2, it is good and the brass ejecting is on the correct side. I still don't see why some games like Bad Company would put the brass ejection on the otherside. It's even stupid for the M16 because the forward assist is on the right side while the shells eject from the left [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It looks good and that's it. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 12:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's probably because they made it so that the gun takes up most of the bottom right of the screen, meaning if the ejections were on the correct side, they would not be visible unlike in CoD:MW2.  They probably put it on the left side to A) not waste an animation of the gun cycling/shells ejecting by putting it on a side that no one will see due to the size of the gun and B) so that people can see and have another visual indication that they're firing (other than the flash of the gun and the people in front of them dying).  In MW2 the guns size is small enough to be able to see the brass ejecting on the correct side.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not so much that the ejection port's on the wrong side, it's that (almost) all the guns in game are completely mirrored. While it is odd, as &amp;quot;Gunkatas&amp;quot; pointed out it's probably to look cool and the other things that I'm not going to retype. What is interesting is that on the M16 (maybe others but that's the one I can think of off the top of my head) your character does hit the (now moved) mag release with his thumb as he pulls out the mag. So even though they mirrored it, they changed the animation accordingly, nice touch... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I havent seen vids of the new M16 in the game, but does the character tap the forward assist when he reloads? If he does, is the forward assist on the other side [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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No you rack the action when you reload, there's only one reload animation for everything, not mid-mag and empty ones like in Call Of Duty, sadly on most of the other guns, well, ARs and SMGs mainly, you never chamber the gun, just change mags. Oh and I just checked a video, there actually isn't a forward assist at all. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing is that in the cut scenes, Marlo, the guy you play, has his XM8 with the shells ejecting from the left while the 2 other guys on the team with XM8s got theirs the right side. Then suddenly in another cutscene, the hole is on the RIGHT side![[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I've noticed some guns do eject to the left.  It is correct, as many of the guns are ambidextrous.  While it should be configured for a right handed person (in game they use the left handed set-ups) so you don't get hit in the face. But the XM8, the Scar, and other guns, in real life, can be set up to eject the shell to the right. [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I am not saying that they CAN'T be switched to eject from the left and right, but the fact that it IS ejecting to the left when the user is right handed. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I recently unlocked the M16, and yea they Majorly messed up...NEVER have I even HEARD of a real M16 ejecting to the left, damn thing was never meant to be an ambi gun.[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Looks like the cover to MW2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone think the cover of the game is like a joke to MW2 since it's almost the same. A soldier with his M16/M4 platform in his right hand walking away. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Who cares? BC2 looks amazing, and I can't wait till March 2nd, because even from the demo, I can tell it's going to rock any FPS gamer's world! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Bad Co 1 didn't, why this would? Games are very similar, by the yay. Good thing it's for PC.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Well the 100 health bar is gone, weapons do more damage, weapons have realistic capacities, vehicles and maps are balanced, new engine allows for 90 percent destructibility [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe it's trying to parody the glut of modern FPSs [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 05:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Page Revamp ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page should be revamped as it contains a lot of shitty stuffs put by those anons.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 07:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LIGHTHOUSE and othertings ==&lt;br /&gt;
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does anyone think the lighthouse on the M16/M203 secreenshot looks just like the lighthouse in half-life 2 when you drive the dune-buggy across the beach right at the end of tha level?&lt;br /&gt;
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also i am really looking foward to the 4 guys from the first game being brought back, cant wait to preorder this . and when do i get the weapons, are they pre-loaded the on the game, sent to you by email or is there a code in the box when you get the game--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 12:33, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Ok, lemme look at the code so i could tell you.&lt;br /&gt;
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wow... you are gonna try to steal his code? nice try jackass... --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.20.249|184.35.20.249]] 17:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Just for the lulz, dood.&lt;br /&gt;
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ok i'll letyou see...here we go...i'll give it to you now...F**K YOU. just joking i wouldnt do it anyway, and i havent got it so thats why i asked--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 18:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AEK-971 early prototype - why? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Because it looks cooler, and because DICE can [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Well yes it does Mr. Anonymous, I think it looks pretty good. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::No. Should be this one[http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001755/1755208.jpg]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::*Throws up* Jesus! That barely looks like an AK! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Or at least this [http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001755/1755202.jpg]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Alright, stop showing me these abominations! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M93R or a Modified M9? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's an M93R, you can tell by the frame mounted safety [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The saftey is slide mounted in the image,just look at the pic, it's a modded M9, plus the grips are wrong, 93r grips differ from the M9's these dont - Capain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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:alright then, seems another game fails at making M93Rs (this and MW2)[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Piece in game has compensated barrel, folding forward grip, 3-round burst. -- It's Raffica variant, by all means not modded 92.&lt;br /&gt;
:::What the heck is a &amp;quot;Raffica&amp;quot; variant?  I know quite a bit about Beretta pistols, and I've never heard of any Raffica variant anywhere outside of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (and let's be quite honest, it was named that way to avoid copyright infringement). --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Then you should know that Berettas are Italian weapons. Try to open Italian-English dictionary. In designation M93R, &amp;quot;R&amp;quot; stands for &amp;quot;Raffica&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yes, but it has 92 grips and a 92 slide mounted safety. It's easy to get the compensator, grip and even burst mod onto a 92, but switching the safety is another thing entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Safety can be modded too. But I would say that frame + grip on the weapon pictured in the game was manufactured like this, not modded.(Of course, gun looks like this just because of laziness of devs)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing you are new to this site, This site goes by what the weapon looks like when it comes to video games, not specifications like its name in game. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:27, 4 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And it LOOKS LIKE m93r more then 92 of any kind. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Indeed, and by IMFDB standards, that gun my friend is a modified Beretta 92, most likely an SB by the rounded trigger guard [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you, clearly a 92, just cus it swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, doesnt mean it actually is a duck. Its clearly lazy production design down to already havin a m9 skin for the pistols and doing a few adjustments rather than digitally designing a whole new pistol - captain snikt. (Oh and yes raffica is italian for burst, but the calling a 93r a raffica varient just reeks of COD over genuine knowledge.)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Indeed. The designers probably took the M9 skin, stuck a foregrip and extended mag on it, and they have their own not-really-a-Raffica. It is sloppy on their parts though, shame on you DICE! So I just unlocked it today, and it turns out the model you use in the game doesn't even have a foregrip! It just looks like a 92 with an extended mag! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I though they re-skinned most of weapons since the beta. Such inaccuracies are a big minus for developers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yessir, I think it's kind of cheap when you take a Beretta M9, Inox it, give it a high cap mag and call it an M93R, that's cheap game design. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Just look at the 93R and Glock 18 in MW2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By that you mean the modded 92 and the modded Glock 17 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 21:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:My point exactly [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Indeed, both of them are simply semi auto handguns with a few bits tacked on to make them look legit, but us gun people know the difference. When I saw the G18 especially, I asked &amp;quot;Where's the selector?&amp;quot; [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::In Cod I remember a selector switch on the G18's slide...&lt;br /&gt;
Wow, you remember wrong! No selector as its a 17, as the grips are also olive drab, which isnt available on the 18--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Let's just pretend that switch is on the right side if the slide, ok. And game set in the future so od finish might be possible.&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, you go ahead and pretend, while the rest of us work on what's actually there in front of us so we can accurate do our jobs right [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Dude, th selector isn't on the right side as when your weilding the gun in your left hand (either akimbo or on the snowmobile) you see there is still no selector. Why dont we just pretend the magic fairies made it a Glock 18. And sign your posts, I wanna know who I'm proving wrong --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Curse you anonymous users! Anyways, yeah, we're not going to just lie and say it's a Glock 18 for the hell of it. We get our guns corect on this site, and if you wanna be correct, the M39R in MW2 and BC2 is a 92, and the Glock 18 is a Glock 17, end of story. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Now this is just me but I'd say the first person view of the M93 is a converted Beretta Inox. Maybe this could be mentioned in the article?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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You can get a Glock 18 with a OD grip, check out team glocks website, you can even get a coyote tan frame. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes, but I doubt Brazilian militia and such would have them sold the them by Glock. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Not by Glock, but by black market dealers. The only question is the price. But those militian coons have converted G17s anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah the weapons in MW2's campaign were just poor, alot of them made no sense, unlikely that the militia would have AKs with RIS rails and such, 1887 shotguns in such a large amount, and especially Glocks converted or Glock 18s by IW standards.&lt;br /&gt;
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:And on the 1887s, you better hope those are Uberti or Norinco replicas. Original 1887s and even 1901s are EXTREMELY RARE, and sawing the barrel and stock of one would be like cutting the feet and head off your child, just WRONG! Especially considering it's in the hands of useless Brazilian militants who just get it taken and used against them by a Canadian teenager (yours truly) in the game. I like to call it Vintage Shotgun Rain. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Could you guys take this over to the MW2 page or get back onto point with the M93R?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== What the heck is the M1 Garand? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It doesn't look like the M1, Is it a error on the designers part or is it another gun that the designer thought was the M1 Garand. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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~Uh, the Garand in BC2 looks like the M1 Garand to me mate [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::  Yeah, look at both pictures and try to find at least 5 differences. Either that is one of M1 prototypes or modeler got too much freedom and mixed M1903 or this[http://media.photobucket.com/image/m1%20garand%20prototype/Kotsoor/GarandM1921.jpg]with M1.&lt;br /&gt;
::Shit, your right, that looks like a cross between a Garand and 1903 with a magazine that goes in the bottom, odd thing isn't it? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
Isn't that supposed to be a Type 5 (Japanese Garand)? It's used by the Japanese in the first single player mission and it has Japanese coat of arms on the receiver.&lt;br /&gt;
:I think you just got it mate. When I saw it in the first mission with the lighter wood on the stock, I figured it might be that Japanese Garand copy that they only made like 7 of. Also, can anyone help me with this: When I go to register my BC2 on BF Vets, i click on it and it doesn't let me enter my GT, the little window to put your GT in doesn't come up, what do I do? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Gimme your GT, i'll try it for you.&lt;br /&gt;
No, that's not Type 5. It was exact copy of M1 except calibre, magazine(10 round integral mag vs 8 round en-bloc in Garand's rifle) and shape of sights. Japs assembled ~250. More parts were made though. The most sticking-out difference between in-game weapon and real M1 is gas-block and shorter piston pipe. Also, i just noticed, jap &amp;quot;Garand&amp;quot; in game uses that same en-bloc clips as M1 instead of being loaded by 2 stripper-clips.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's what bothered me during the first mission. All the Japanese had M1 Garands. We can assumed they might have captured US weapons cause they are better than their own rifles, but they all have the Imperial Japanese emblem on the rifle. This was just weird to me until I researched that the Japanese did make a copy of the M1, but in so many numbers like this is somewhat strange. It is the first appearance of the Japanese M1 copy in a game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::No, Japanese garands were present in other BF games. And weapon in game is indeed an M1 Garand with Imperial Seal on it and swapped rear sight.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::so it's a mish mash of a Garand and Type 5? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::I just realized that the &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; on the bottom is actually the Trigger housing for the M1 Garand.  The only thing is, Dice made it slanted rather than flat...[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]]&lt;br /&gt;
:How do you screw up making an M1 Garand for a game? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:: Well the in game model looks fine, just whoever drew or designed the picture for the weapons screen needs his eyes checked. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It is kinda unlikely at all for the Japanese conservatives to impliment a semi auto rifle to compete with the US during the war. They were really old school and really believe the guns they had used beating the Russians and Chinese were good enough against the USA. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::With their Arisakas they were just gettin' PWNED ANALY too badly by US forces with M1s. That made them shit on their &amp;quot;conservatism&amp;quot; and shamelessly copy Garand's rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
:Them shamelessly copying the Garand was a step up for their current weapons. If these M1 copies were in full production, they might have started to have a chance against the US, that and if they had more SMGs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::wouldn't have helpped much, take their &amp;quot;armor&amp;quot; for example&lt;br /&gt;
:The Japanese had Armor? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
Also, they didn't screw up with the M1, they got &amp;quot;lazy&amp;quot; again, and just used the Type 5.&lt;br /&gt;
@Excalibur They had &amp;quot;armor&amp;quot; to an extent, and it was trash.  Basically tin cans with guns.&lt;br /&gt;
::US Shermans wasn't much better either.&lt;br /&gt;
:You didn't get my joke. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::The US shermans were LEAPS and BOUNDs better than the Japanese garbage.  They may have not have been as nice as Panzers, but they were a generals dream.  Cheap, easy to mass produce, and effective en masse. [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 16:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, in bundle with expendable crews..&lt;br /&gt;
It's possible that this weapon is some sort of Franken-gun. It definitely doesn't look like a Garand but it's function is different than a Type 5. A possibility exists that the developers simply heard of a Japanese copy of the Garand but didn't really know about its operating principles. It wouldn't be the first time a video game didn't know how a gun works - Mauser Fox&lt;br /&gt;
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== Proper reload animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
What keeping game developers from making weapons in game function authentically to their real-life counterparts? Is that lack of info or dontgiveashitaboutitwillsellanyway or something else?&lt;br /&gt;
: I would say &amp;quot;dontgiveashitaboutitwillsellanyway&amp;quot;--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.22.254|184.35.22.254]] 00:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The reload animation or lack of sometimes. A lot of the guns, when you are empty, you reload mag and just continued firing without pressing on any release or racking the charging handle, but the handguns, the slide doesnt lock back when empty and you rack the slide in mid reloads [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:not to mention when you reload the Thompson mid-mag, you always lock back the bolt, which would eject the round that would be in the chmaber with a mid-mag reload. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Tommy gun fires from an open bolt, if you forget. Bolt shouldn't be in forward position. What wrong is that when you reload mid-mag bolt locks forward, but no shot follows it(looks like a misfire, but a misfire everytime! C'mon..) , then you reload fresh magazine and rack the charging handle back with spent cartridge casing ejecting in meantime.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, well that makes sense, but in BC2 it just looks like he locks it back from the forward position. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yas, they have only one animation, and that is for empty mag reload. Why it looks strange when you reload mid-mag i already noted above.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Yessir, racking the slide or bolt on a gun when reloading even mid-mag is just cheap game design, cool looking yes, practical no. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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same with the beretta 92. you empty the mag load a new one then pull back the chamber instead of releasing the chamber--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, also, the servers today were down, and they've been messed up lately, DICE really needs to work on them. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== In game pictures? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone get some high quality In-game pictures of the weapons?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would, but currently all my capture stuff on in the epic fail section of things I own, so no go from me [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Server Fail? ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem, but when I backed out to the menu to join a squad today, when I checked my weapons and gadgets I had nothing unlocked, the only guns that even showed up were the default ones, and I was rank 1, yet my dogtags and scoreboard placing was still there, I also saw on EAs twitter that this problem has been widely reported, so has this happened to anyone else? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::You just answered your question yourself.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I may have, but I mostly wanna know now if anyone had this problem and if it's been fixed? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::It's fixed. But you gotta start unlocking everything again.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Your kidding me! Those idiots just lost me 17 hours of gameplay, unlocks and weapon stars, and they can't even restore it? Now I'm pissed, I think DICE and EA owe everyone who lost their unlocks something. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::They don't own you anything. You already bought their game.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Yes, and the proceeded to basically ERASE 17 HOURS of gameplay and unlocks, that's complete and utter bullshit (pardon my french). [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Some times i'll join a game and it'll show me not having anything, but after sitting there  yelling angerly it eventualy shows my stuff.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.22.254|184.35.22.254]] 03:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::The same thing happened to be, I went on earlier, and all my shit was back again, so I guess EA must have fixed it, but to anyone who loses their stuff for good, that sucks amigos. Meanwhile, time to continue my &amp;quot;Quest for the VSS&amp;quot; [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::It's pretty fun to use. even when you don't feel like sniping you can just stap the red dot on it and use it like a VAL.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.22.254|184.35.22.254]] 06:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::9A-91 ~ AS. VSS is weak for CQC. Even SVU with RDS would be better. Heavy bullet of 9x39 cartridge flies by very curved trajectory - about 1m drop on 200m. Did devs got it correct?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::They got the drop about right.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.22.254|184.35.22.254]] 16:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I plan to use it as a Val stand it, as it seems pretty weak for sniping. When I wanna properly snipe, I go for the GOL or the M95. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From in game pics isn't it the WWI model and not the A1?&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, and Beretta 93R is 92, and M1 Garand is miscarriage of m1903 and so on... Blame it on dontgiveashit &amp;quot;creative&amp;quot; modelers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Thing is, the game doesn't list the M1911 as the A1 variant, and it properly portrays the M1911.  The M1 is quite accurate with the exception of the bottom mag.  The M93R is a M93R, just silvered and the grip is folded up.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Wrong completely on the M93R. The in game model has NO foregrip, not to mention a slide mounted safety and 92 grips. The designers literally took the M9 from the game, stuck a burst mode, silver finish and 20 round mag on it, and called it an 93R. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to agree with mr nameless on the .45 i think it should be changed to just 1911, but dude, look abve at the 93r section, its an M9, what the hell is silvered by the way lol - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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== Differences? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So I keep hearing that this game is amazing, but I've never played it, or any of the other games in the series. The only multiplayer FPSs I have on my console are Halo 3, and Modern Warfare 2. I'm thinking about getting this game, but can someone explain to me how the gameplay is different from MW2? Like, how experience, attachments, various equipment, and such is different? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:-It's ALL about teamplay. Wanna win -- gotta help the common good. Although,you can play lonewofl if you watch so much.&lt;br /&gt;
:-There are less weapon customisation. Only scopes and GLs. Weapon arsenal is more &amp;quot;realistic&amp;quot;(imao)&lt;br /&gt;
:-Much bigger maps than MW2. &lt;br /&gt;
:-Vehicles.&lt;br /&gt;
:-MW2 vs. BFBC2? Both good.&lt;br /&gt;
:-If you enjoy military FPS games, you definitely need to check it out.&lt;br /&gt;
:-Watch some reviews.&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, I'll probably get it. Still, less weapon customization makes me sad, and vehicles I'm kinda iffy about, but I'm glad that it's more team based. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 17:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not a whole lot of options for perks like MW2. People are harder to kill. You can blow up buildings completely to get rid of campers. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For the singleplayer aspect, I do highly recommending playing the first Bad Company to get to know the characters in the story. BC2's story isn't as funny as the first one. They left out a lot of humor for this whole seriousness mood. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Eh, seriousness has it's upsides. And is every building in the map completely destructible? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 19:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just about, and it helps in MP, because M-COM stations can be collapsed instead of blown up, so that can be a good alternative. Also, I agree that story was less humorous, not to mention no &amp;quot;Rainbow Sprinkles&amp;quot; ad this time! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Another great tactic a friend and I have employed is to collapse buildings where snipers often hide, and to basically use mortart strikes to open the walls of building containing M-COM stations and other objectives.  A friend and I, working as a two sniper team, managed about 50 kills last night without moving, simply because, with the SPOT perk, we were illuminating targets for people closer to them (and getting that sweet 20 points for basically looking in the right direction). --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 11:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I love those trailers of the first one. Rainbow Sprinkles, Bad World, and the Metal Gear Solid one. I also remember one where the camera guy talks and pisses them off. It was an early trailer [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The singleplayer story (Spoiler) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone who has played the singleplayer of the first Bad Company and then played this one scratching their heads? I assume this is a sequel, story wise. At the end of the first story the team rides off with a truck full of gold. And at the start of BC2, they are back in the fight and never mentioned their score of gold at all...Is there supposed to be an explanation for that? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Probably spent it all on whores and booze.&lt;br /&gt;
:::That's what I would do if I somehow procured lots of gold. Oh, and new guns, too. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 19:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think it acts like teh first game didn't happen, much.&lt;br /&gt;
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well they dissapeared in themiddle of a war-zone after going AWOL dont you think they would be either kicked out or in jail?, also i havent played it but is ti still funny like the first with the cool music in carsand stuff like that? [[user:smish34|smish34]]&lt;br /&gt;
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No actually its suposed to take place inbetween the first BC mission and the invassion if the neutral country of something-stan[[User:Gunner|Gunner]] 00:49, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:If thats so, then why are you still FNG?[[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 17:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Same reason because most guns eject to the left in this game&lt;br /&gt;
Marlowe isn't an FNG, the reason the guys depend on him so much is because of his &amp;quot;well-roundedness.&amp;quot; Sarge-Sarge, Haggard-Rifleman, Sweetwater-Support Gunner, Marlowe-Grenadier [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 14:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sarge and Haggard also have grenade launchers on their rifles, so Marlowe can't be the Grenadier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::He has more grenades in him and actually knows how to use that luncha properly.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's because DICE didnt work on their AI to use their launchers [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::That doesn't change anything. Marlow is a grenadier.&lt;br /&gt;
::If you go by the fact they have Nade launchers, then everyone carrying an assault rifle is a grenadier.  And since Marlowe is the only one to actually use his, he IS the grenadier. [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 17:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well that's because you, the player, ARE Marlowe. It's kinda stupid for you NOT to use the grenade launcher [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Of course you use it, but the AI never uses it.  They're riflemen because all they use is their rifle, otherwise they &amp;quot;could be&amp;quot; a grenadier.  [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 11:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::So what? They have lauchers on their weapons means they possibly could use it. Otherwise they wouldn't have it. They all're Grenadiers. Or you can call them storm\trupers, if you like so.&lt;br /&gt;
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:What if you never use your Launcher throughout the entire game? Maybe I relied on my ingenuity and awesomeness? In that case, Marlowe is by no means the grenadier.&lt;br /&gt;
::The nade launchers are on ALL the assualt rifles.  Does that make everyone a grenadier? NO.   [[Special:Contributions/74.175.101.2|74.175.101.2]] 14:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Every rifle not supposed to have nubtube. So blame it on the DICE.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you let the A1 chat amongst themselves Sweetwater and Haggard mention that they never made it over the border before loosing the gold and getting roped back in. And Haggard isnt a rifle man he is the demolitions expert - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one who was annoyed about this game not being funny like the first game? - DM&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't remember much of the single player of the first game. The biggest thing that irks me is that the conversations that your team have amongst each other. Those are really funny but, at least on the 360 version, the volume is so low on them that you can't really hear them. [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== rex and m14 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:Let's not forget despite claims of a 20 round magazine, the EBR in game only has a 10 round magazine. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I find that the lack of a 20 round magazine and being unable to put a sight on it has ruined the gun for me. I was looking forward to using a ACOG with it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
and can someone get some ingame pictures of these guns?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Indeed, 10 round mags and not even Red Dot capable did it in for me. It's alright, but I prefer a proper AR. I heard the G3 was better, considering it has the epic HK sights, a 20 round magazine, and full auto fire. Though I noticed what I think is a glitch. Despite the weapon page in game saying it's unlocked at Rank 26, I've seen guys Rank 23 and 24 with them, and not as a stolen kit. What I believe now is you actually get it at Rank 22, which is Warrant Officer, why it's messed i the weapon screen is beyond me. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The M24 apparently was originally chambered for 30-06 MAGNUM, I got to get me one of those. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey I hate to say this but some of the guns described here are only in Badcompany not badcompany 2 some of them are able to transfer over for multiplayer only not everysingle one. I don't have a full list of the ones that can't transfer over but I'll get one[[User:Gunner|Gunner]] 00:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I can confirm that all guns listed on the Bad Company 2 page are in the game.  I have unlocked all the guns in Multiplayer except for the Garand (don't have Battlefield 1943) and the UMP (working on that one).--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bullshit descriptions ==&lt;br /&gt;
What a n00b wrote those descriptions in weapon menu screen&lt;br /&gt;
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:I dunno, details? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I dunno either.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Don't take it so seriously, it's just flavor text in a video game.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Screenshots ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I will be putting up screenshots of the weapons soon.  G3 is already up.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 08:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Can you make them any smaller?  They're flippin' HUGE!  The raw pics take up a lot of space. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I'll try, but all I do is just push the print screen button during gameplay and put it into Paint (Current Res 1680 x 1050).  I'll try to shrink it before putting it up.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Use Fraps instead. Also Irfanview can batch process images to shrink/convert them into differnet file formats&lt;br /&gt;
Added HK 416.  Reduced the size by about 1/2.  If it is still too large, I will put up smaller ones.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Add more juicy screenshots&lt;br /&gt;
Added PP-2000.  Was planning on adding the tracer dart gun, AT4, and possibly the 1911 but EA servers are dead again.  *sigh* Will put them up when servers are working again.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Can't you start up LAN host? Or get screens from single player. Get Garand, Type 100, TOZ shotty screens, would you.&lt;br /&gt;
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Couldn't sleep for some reason so I got the Garand, Type 100, TOZ and Browning 1919 from the single player. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Tnx&lt;br /&gt;
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Added Tracer Gun.  The reason that one looks better than the other ones is because I used an actual photo editing program I forgot I had to resize it from 1680x1050 to 800x500 instead of resizing it by eye in MS paint.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::You can resize by percent in Paint.&lt;br /&gt;
:If it's possible please add ego view screenshots for all weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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Below is an unknown MGL encountered in singlplayer.  If anyone can identify and put it up on the main page, much appreciated.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MGL BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Possibly fantasy gun.&lt;br /&gt;
 its a QLZ-87 automatic grenade launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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I have added a whole bunch of weapon screenshots tonight.  AEK-971, QBU-88, SCAR-L, and AG-36 reload animation are new, added further screens of TOZ (the one I put up initially was crap, feel free to take it down if you want to), and MG36 and XM8 in single player.  If there are specific weapons you want a screenshot taken of, request it here.  I will eventually put them all up, but will put an emphasis on requests.  Finals are over and I got the summer ahead of me.  (Also, thanks to whoever caught my mistakes of putting the AUG screenshots under the F2000) --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 06:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hardcore mode? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the descriptions, it says that the MG36's optic has issues on hardcore, is there a hardcore mode similar to CoD4s?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes.  It removes all HUD items except for the current ticket count of the attackers (# of respawns left until end of round) and the field of view of current allies and marked enemies.  No minimap, no ammo count.  Health is reduced by 1/2.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Is this CoD4 inspired?&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I'm a big MG36 user, and I can confirm the above. The Red Dot that's built into the MH36 doesn't show up on Hard Core mode, you just aim down an empty circle, basically MW2 EMP style. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::They tried to make it real hardcore. Are bullets at least flying straight?&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, but they drop over distance.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Does all bullets have the same drop?&lt;br /&gt;
Only Snipers drop, and the M95 is the worst[[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 16:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Probably.  The only time I've been able to notice the drop is when I'm sniping.  Otherwise, it's just guesswork.  At medium-long ranges, the only time I ever try to kill someone is with the M60 w/ 4x scope.  Makes a great EBR if you do single shot.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Is AyCOG really magnifies 4 times or its the same CoD bullshit?&lt;br /&gt;
::Not sure.  It zooms in more than the red dot sight but more than likely it just increases the accuracy setting on the gun.  This is just a guess though.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you put Red dot or ACOG on any sniper rifle, the rounds won't drop at all, it's very convient for CQB. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 15:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Attachment ==&lt;br /&gt;
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At least BC2 was more to details to correct GL attachment than MW2. Most of the rifles have accurate attachments [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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AG36 is correct, yes. What else?&lt;br /&gt;
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The F2000's GL is correct. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Yea, rite.. What else? That's it.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well the AUG, M16 and M416 are all designed for the M203, the F2000 has it's ELGM, the XM8 the AG36 and the AN-94 and AEK have their GP-25s, so they got it all right. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Tha fakt tha thei din get thei gunz tu ejec to prope side overweighghs al correc attachmens. Aso thei koold throw in EOTech sight, and it koult bi placez on NATO raifles.&lt;br /&gt;
:::The switched ejection was done for aesthetic purposes. The weapons take up a lot of space on the right side of the screen, and the developers wanted to have empty casings flying out of the gun to be visible to the firer. And yes, EOTechs would be nice, but you can't have everything. And please learn the language. It's not particularily difficult. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yas, bat whai zen haf ofza ganz extrak tu tha righgh az it suposd tuu (VSS,AEK,G3 fo exmpl)?&lt;br /&gt;
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^&lt;br /&gt;
What the hell? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:18, 3 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I know English can be a hard thing to grasp for other nations, but please try to learn, otherwise use a translation program. But if you are 10 years old...learn some english still [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In singleplayer (and i'm guessing multiplayer), the sight for the GL on the F2000 is shown to be on the right side of the gun.  Is this correct?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 08:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== browning M2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
 why is there no browning M2 on this page it is bounted on top of the abramas tank --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe because there is no Abrams tank on this page..&lt;br /&gt;
the american tank '''in the game''' has a browning M2 on it.&lt;br /&gt;
::Then go take a '''screenshot''' of the tank and add it to the page.&lt;br /&gt;
I cant it wont work&lt;br /&gt;
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== More pistols ==&lt;br /&gt;
Do you feel sometimes that all the sidearms are crappy? Well I do and its annoying! There should be some high damage medium accuracy and low fire rate pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
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You must be just using the M9. The 1911 and the revolver are much better. --[[User:Hammerbrute|Hammerbrute]] 14:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No i´m using the 1911 and i have used the revolver(So crappy can´t remember it´s name).&lt;br /&gt;
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Umm, the pistols aren't that bad, they're not meant to be primarys, they're something to use when you run out of ammo for your primary, or when walking around and as a means of defense as a sniper. They're well represented in game as how good they should be in relation to everything else. And the 1911 and MP-412 are both high damage, medium (good actually) accuracy, low rate of fire pistols. The MP-443 is low damage, medium accuracy, high rate of fire, and the M9 is medium damage, medium accuracy, medium rate of fire (good all around). The M93R is kind of odd in game, but other than that you've got good pistols for one side or the other. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I've seen videos when people use the M93 and it seems most of the time they just dump the mag without any good results.--[[Special:Contributions/66.30.50.180|66.30.50.180]] 02:27, 3 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yea... that's what I meant by odd. It kinda pisses me off when a game gives a gun that is the same calibre as another lower damage because it has a higher rate of fire. I say let the uncontrollability balance the gun... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The following [[http://denkirson.xanga.com/722757523/bad-company-2/ Link]] gives a spread sheet stating the damage done, damage done over distance, accuracy, spread, reload speed, blast radius, health and much more on each vehicle, item, and weapon in Bad Company 2 Multiplayer.  This info is taken from the PC version of the game and is up to date as of the R7/R10 updates. He should update if anything significant changes.  It is quite encompassing.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Nambu pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During operation Aurora (first campaign mission) I noticed that the scientist uses what looks like a nambu type 14, but almost never fires it. Go up to him during gameplay and you'll see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd Gun choices ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since this is a website populated by fellow gun enthusiasts, I'll bite. Why the hell do we see US troops in the single-player campaign armed with XM8s and Vietnam-vintage M60E1's? And why are the Russian soldiers that you face armed with Carl Gustavs, Barrett sniper rifles, and Chinese SAWs and grenade launchers? This is even worse than Modern Warfare 2 when you take into account that A) Bad Company 1 got appropriate weapons right and B) guns such as RPG-7s, M16s, and the like are already fully implemented in game? It's just something that bugs me... - DerKrieger&lt;br /&gt;
:Because it's a very actiony game.&lt;br /&gt;
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They really don't care about the weapons anymore. I think with the dawn of the Cod4 era, people stopped seeing guns as tools of war/utility and started seeing them as playing cards to trade with friends. Also, it's just a progression from BC1; EVERY GUN in that game had incorrect capacities and almost EVERY gun ejected left-handed, even though the characters are all right-eye dominant and hold the weapons in their right hands. It's like BLACK, with its useless RIS rails and the like. &lt;br /&gt;
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Action-shooters and their glorification of ignorance. &amp;quot;Who cares how it functions or looks if it goes bang? Looks like that awesome .50 cal, right?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ffs.&lt;br /&gt;
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And just in case someone disagrees, it's just an opinion. Probably going to get deleted anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's all for the sake of gameplay. They choose exotic weapons because 1. They provide different enough appearances and silhouettes for quick player identification at range. 2. It makes the weapons actually different; if they were trying to be realistic with who uses which guns then all of the guns would be 5.56 assault rifles with 750-900 rpm. They need to make the weapons functionally different, otherwise all the guns would be too similar, so what'd be the point if there are essentially ten copies of the same gun?&lt;br /&gt;
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It isn't glorifying ignorance, it's just good game design. And for the record, the reason why everything has rails on it now is because it's an easy and effective method for 3d artists to put more detail on the gun models, so the players have more eye candy. --[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Battlefield series has never been about realism, that's why they take liberties with the guns that are used. I think it's also for the sake of variety, you see M16s, AK-47s, and RPG-7s in EVERY modern combat game out there. With a game like Battlefield, where it's expected that they aren't intensive about their gun realism, I like to see guns that haven't been used 100 times before. I understand where you're coming from though, I disliked the lack of gun accuracy in the past 2 Call of Duty games, but it was more of a disappointment for me, because I expected the game to have a degree of authenticity when it comes to that.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vietnam Expansion. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's going to be a Vietnam expansion for Bad Company 2 as a DLC.  Since it's going to be so different should there be a new page for it or just add it to the current one because it's a DLC?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 06:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Well, it would be better to add this to original Game page :) --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 11:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:When I saw the trailer for the expansion, I blew a load. I mean, a superb FPS getting a Vietnam expansion? There is a god man! Also, the trailer itself is plainly epic, look it up! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== unknown gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
ok there is a HMG mountied on the russian T-90 tank in this game does any one know what it is also give me a second and i will post the pick off it --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 17:06, 16 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I shrunk the size of your pic.  There's no need to display the full size in the discussion, put it as a thumbnail.  People can click on the picture to get the full size. Anyways, I don't know what it is.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 23:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
 sorry i put it bigger so it would be easyer to tell what the gun was --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 11:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Returning Guns in Vietnam Expansion ==&lt;br /&gt;
Should we add the guns returning in the Vietnam Expansion (like the Uzi) in the extended page or just add to the original games page? --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 23:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I say we put it in the extended page, much like how there were subheading in the new MoH game for single player and multiplayer.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Battlefield: Bad Company 2</title>
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Battlefield: Bad Company 2 is the sequel to the original &amp;quot;Battlefield: Bad Company&amp;quot;. BF:BC2 uses the newest game engine called &amp;quot;Frostbite Engine&amp;quot;, and it enables players to destroy any objects in the map (almost 90%) and deform the ground with explosives.  The engine also gives bullets travel time and drop over distance, though this is mostly only noticed with sniper rifles. This game released in the U.S on March 2, 2010. A pre-order package comes with instantly unlocked unlockable weapons and vehicle upgrades. Those being the Thompson M1928 Submachine Gun, Colt M1911A1 Pistol, Tracer Dart Pistol, vehicle Armor Upgrade, vehicle Secondary Weapon and vehicle Motion Detector. Some retailers also offer the AKS-74U in addition to these.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Note:  Two major flaws occur in this game: The first being that the Majority of the Guns available have the ejection port on the left side of the Gun, even when the player character is Right Handed.  While this would interfere with a shooter in real life, the Developers decided to do this in the game. The second being that the player does not chamber a new round on most guns when both the magazine and gun are empty, and instead simply inserts a new magazine, likely for multiplayer balancing, even though it is physically impossible. The previous game chambered a new round even if the gun was not empty. While not practical, this is somewhat realistic operating procedure.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following guns can be seen in the video game: '''&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Beretta 92FS|Beretta M9]]==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Beretta 92FS|Beretta M9]] is a standard semi-automatic pistol. Had a correct 15 round magazine in the Beta, but reverted to the incorrect 12-round mag for the full game. As of the current R7 patch, its damage has been increased to reflect the in-game stat difference between it and the MP-443. One way to explain the 12 round mag and higher damage than the 9mm MP-443 is that it is the .40 caliber version (only the civilian 92FS has a .40 version, but there are bigger mistakes than that).I agree the mp443 is supposed to be 9x19+p+&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M9, 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M9.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_M9.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M9BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M9, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==MP-412 REX==&lt;br /&gt;
MP-412 REX .357 Magnum revolver is the most powerful, slowest firing and lowest capacity handgun in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp-412-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP-412 REX, .357]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BC2_MP412.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP-412BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MP-412 REX .357 Magnum, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt M1911A1==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Colt M1911A1]] Semi-Automatic Pistol. It's instantly unlocked for players who pre-ordered Battlefield: Bad Company 2. With its .45 calibre round, it has the second highest damage of the pistols, beaten only by the MP412 REX using .357 Magnum rounds. Labeled &amp;quot;WWII M1911 .45&amp;quot; in-game. It is incorrectly portrayed as firing from an uncocked hammer (and it doesn't change at all, even the first round has been fired or the gun's slide has been pulled back while reloading). &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1, .45 ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:957916_20091029_790screen001.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|American assault trooper with M1911A1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M1911A1 in Multiplayer for Bad Company 2, Port Valdez]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==MP-443 Grach==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP-443 Grach]] appears in the game and has a 17-round mag, the highest of all the pistols, as well as the second lowest damage, the M93R being the lowest.  In single player, this pistol is the only one available; Marlowe acquires one from Redford at the end of the mission &amp;quot;Upriver&amp;quot;, and holds onto it for the rest of the game, while NSA Agent Aguire also carries one of his own.  Marlowe uses his in the final moments of the campaign, both to destroy the Russians' scalar weapon and to eliminate Col. Arkady Kirilenko, the main antagonist.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP433Grach.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MP-443 Grach, 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-MP443.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP-443 Garach.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MP-443 Grach in single player, with scalar weapon in the background.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP-443 Garach2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MP-443 Grach in single player, final mission]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92FS Inox (mocked up as Beretta 93R)==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Beretta 93R]] in the game is actually a modified [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS Inox]] with an extended magazine, larger trigger guard, extended barrel with compensators, stainless steel finish and a foregrip. In first person view it is the same as the M9 but with stainless finish, 3-round burst, and, though not visibly different, a 20 round magazine. In the kill feed it is called the M9-3, apparently DICE thinks it's named the M93 because it's an '''M9''' that fires in '''3'''-round burst.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Beretta93-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 93R 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M93BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Beretta 93 Pistol, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Tracer Dart Gun==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tracer Dart Gun is a non-lethal weapon used by both Russian and American force. The tracer darts it fires grants lock-on capabilities to allied Engineers using the RPG-7 or Carl Gustav launchers.  Unlocked by default on all pre-ordered copies, but can be acquired through experience for those who did not pre-order.  Unlike in the original Bad Company, the Engineer has to lock on the target by looking through the scope of the rocket launcher for a few seconds at the tracer point.  After it locks on, a distance will be given.  The Engineer is then free to fire in any direction, and the rocket will home in on the target.  It is also capable of tracking and locking on while embedded on enemy personnel instead of vehicles.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2 Tracer Dark Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|American engineer with Tracer Dart Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tracer Gun.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Tracer Dart Gun in Multiplayer]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tracer Dart Lock.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Lock on as seen through the scope of a Carl Gustav.  It's hard to see but there are some white numbers beneath the orange square.  This is the distance and notifies the player that the missile is locked.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Submachine Guns=&lt;br /&gt;
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==IMI Uzi==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[IMI Uzi]] appears in the game and is equipped with a suppressor. It has very high rate of fire, more akin to that of the Mini-Uzi.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UZIwSionics.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Uzi, 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-UZI.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Uzi as seen in multiplayer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M1928 Thompson==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1928 Thompson]] appears in the game and can be set to any class' primary slot once unlocked and is instantly unlocked for players who pre-ordered Battlefield: Bad Company 2.  It is incorrectly identified as &amp;quot;WWII M1A1 Thompson&amp;quot; in-game when in-fact it is the M1928 model.  &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]] &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M1A1T.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:957916 20091029 790screen002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|American assault trooper with the M1928A1 Thompson]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ThompsonBC2M.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M1928 Thompson, Battlefield Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Port Valdez]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==PP-2000==&lt;br /&gt;
The older version of the [[PP-2000]] appears in the game equipped with a suppressor and is incorrectly referred as the &amp;quot;PP-2000 Avtomat&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;Avtomat&amp;quot; is the Russian term for Assault rifle or Submachine gun, but nowadays it is more used for Assault rifles or Automatic rifles). Magazine holds 40 rounds despite being modeled with the 20-round magazine. Also, PP-2000's stock has been removed.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pp2000 01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PP-2000, 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-PP2000.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PP-2000.JPG|thumb|none|700px|PP-2000, Multiplayer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP]]45 appears in the game equipped with a suppressor and a Picatinny rail below the handguard.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-UMP.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UMPBC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|UMP .45, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Isla Innocents.  You can see that the selecter switch is set to full auto.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Type 100 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is found in the first level of single-player, Operation Aurora.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Typ 100.JPG|thumb|none|700px|The Type 100 in single-player.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Battle Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
Can be used by any class once unlocked.&lt;br /&gt;
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==M1 Garand==&lt;br /&gt;
[[M1 Garand]] can be unlocked by registering as a Battlefield &amp;quot;veteran&amp;quot; (i.e. registering a copy of Battlefield 1943). Called &amp;quot;WWII M1 Garand&amp;quot; in-game. Oddly, the picture of it in the weapons info screen looks like a cross between a Garand and a 1903 Springfield with a bottom loading magazine. Can be set to any class' primary slot.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M1G.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Garand Multiplayer BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Garand, Multiplayer Bad Company 2, Valparaiso]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GarandBC2v2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Garand, Multiplayer Bad Company 2, Nelson Bay Conquest.  This one is not in the shadows, giving it more detail.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3| G3A3]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Simply called &amp;quot;G3&amp;quot; in-game, has a 20-round magazine and full-auto fire ability. Can be set to any class' primary slot. Also, despite claiming to be unlocked at Rank 26, players really unlock it at Rank 22, the first officer rank.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3A3, 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-G3.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G3.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3A3 in game multiplayer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==MK 14 Mod 0 EBR==&lt;br /&gt;
[[M14#Mk_14_Mod_0_Enhanced_Battle_Rifle|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR]] (Enhanced Battle Rifle) is unlockable weapon in multiplayer. It is called &amp;quot;M14 Mod 0 Enhanced&amp;quot; in the game and has a desert-tan camo paint. Has semi-auto only firing option. Can be set to any class' primary slot. Has a 10 round magazine despite what it says in the description. [[Image:M14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR, 7.62x51 NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-MK14.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_M14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 EBR, 7.62 x 51 mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M14EBRBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M14 EBR 7.62 x 51 mm NATO, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Type 5 Garand Copy ==&lt;br /&gt;
Standard weapon for the Japanese. Only seen in singleplayer, has an 8 round en bloc clip. In reality it had a capacity of 10 rounds and was loaded with two 5-round stripper clips.&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few were made; none however, saw any service.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Type5.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Type 5 Garand copy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Japanese Garand.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Type 5 Garand copy in single-player.  Note the Imperial chrysanthemum symbol stamped on the receiver, behind the sight.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Assault Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
The Assault Rifles exclusive to the Assault Class in Bad Company 2 can be equipped with 40mm grenade launchers, which can fire standard 40mm grenades, or (through unlocking) 40mm smoke or 40mm canister rounds. First 4 are however Engineer-exclusive.&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[9A-91]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Available to the Engineer class. Fires the 9x39 mm round, has a 20 round magazine and is equipped with a suppressor.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:9a91.jpg|thumb|none|400px|9A-91, 9x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-9A91.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2 9A91.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:9A91BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|9A-91, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch XM8]] Compact==&lt;br /&gt;
Has a 30 round magazine and is equipped with a suppressor. Has the highest rate of fire of all the rifle-caliber carbines available to the Engineer. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:xm8ccbutt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&amp;amp;K XM8 Compact Carbine, 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-XM8C.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:XM8COMPACTBC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM8 Compact, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Arica Harbor]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[AKS-74U]]==&lt;br /&gt;
It's instantly unlocked for players who pre-ordered Battlefield: Bad Company 2.  Equipped with a suppressor. Refered to as the &amp;quot;AKS-74U Krinkov&amp;quot; in-game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74U, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-AKS74U.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AKS74UBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AKS-74U as seen in Multiplayer for Bad Company 2, Port Valdez]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AKS74UBC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AKS-74U in the final mission of the single player for Bad Company 2. It seems that this scene was inspired by a similar scene in the movie Shoot 'em Up.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==FN SCAR-L==&lt;br /&gt;
An early prototype of the [[FN SCAR|SCAR-L]] assault rifle is first unlockable weapon for Engineer in multiplayer. Equipped with a suppressor. Due to its barrel length, it is the CQC version.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Scar l-1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|FN SCAR-L, 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-SCARL.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SCARLBC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|SCAR-L, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch XM8==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch XM8]] is unlockable Assault Rifle. It is used with the M-320 Underbarrel Grenade Launcher. In Campaign mode, it replaces the M416 as the signature weapon of B-Company. Redford and Marlowe use ACOGs, while Haggard uses a Red Dot Sight, though Redford and Haggard's optics are always present in gameplay, they only sometimes appear in cutscenes, while Marlowe's is always there (except in the tanker cutscene). &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:XM8.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch XM8, 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-XM8.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_XM8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM8, 5.56 x 45 mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:XM8 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM8 in Bad Company 2 Multiplayer with 4x scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:XM8BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM8, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch [[HK416]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Referred as the M416. Apparently in the Bad Company universe, this weapon has been adopted by the US Army, thus the ''M416'' designation. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Hk416-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416, 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-HK416.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M416.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416 5.56x45mm NATO + M203 in Multiplayer w/ 4x scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt [[M4A1]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Seen being held by the soldier on the box art, but is not in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BFBC2.jpg|thumb|none]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[AEK-971]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;AEK-971 Vintovka&amp;quot; in the weapons screen.  Used as the main weapon of the South American militia in Single Player. Equipped with the GP-30 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AEK-971wSkeletonizedstock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AEK-971, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC-AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AEK91BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AEK-971, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AEK971BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AEK-971 w/ 4x scope and GP-30, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[AN-94]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Permanently in the two-round 1800 RPM burst mode. Equipped with the GP-30 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher. Used by the majority of Russian soldiers in single-player.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:an94-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nikonov AN-94, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-AN94.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AN94BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AN-94 with Red Dot sight and GP-30, Bad Company 2, Arica Harbor]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M16A4 Rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 rifle]] is an unlockable assault rifle, and it uses 3 round burst. Has flat-top reciever. Note that it's erroneously referred to as the &amp;quot;[[M16 rifle series#M16A2 rifle|M16A2]]&amp;quot; in the game. It can be fitted with an ACOG scope, red dot sight, and M203 grenade launcher as described below. The M16 has been replaced in ''Battlefield: Bad Company 2'' by the M16A4. The M16A4 differs from the original M16 that was used in the first ''Bad Company'' in multiple ways: a 30 round magazine size instead of the 50 round size, a three round burst instead of being fully automatic, multiple Weapon Attachments (as is the case with most weapons in Bad Company 2). It requires 47000 Points to unlock, and is the last unlock in the &amp;quot;Assault&amp;quot; kit&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A2 5.56x45mm w/ M203, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M16.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 with M203 Grenade Launcher, 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M16A4 with M203 Grenade Launcher and 4x scope, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Arica Harbor.  Even though the ejection port is on the left side of the gun, the forward assist is still on the right side. Note that the front sight is missing as well.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Steyr AUG#Steyr AUG A3|Steyr AUG A3]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;STG.77 AUG&amp;quot; in-game, its official designation in the Austrian Army. Equipped with the M203 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Steyr_AUG_A3+40mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3, 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AUGBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AUG A3 + M203 w/ Red Dot sight, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F200BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AUG A3 with M203 grenade launcher and 4x scope, Arica Harbor.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[FN F2000]] Tactical==&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;F2000 Assault&amp;quot; in the game. Description shows it being equipped with the EGLM 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher, but in-game, it's using the M203. It fires at the impossibly-high 1800 rounds per minute, around the lower end of a minigun.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FN_F2000_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN F2000 Tactical, 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-F2000.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_F2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN F2000 Tactical with M203 Grenade Launcher, 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F2000BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|F2000 Tactical wiith M203 and Red Dot sight, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer.  The sight for the GL is on the right hand side of the gun, rather than on the left hand side or top]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Sniper Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Norinco QB rifle series#Norinco QBU-88|QBU-88]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;Type 88 Sniper&amp;quot; in-game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Qbu-88-0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco QBU-88, 5.8x42mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-QBU88.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2 QBU-88.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T88BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|QBU-88, Single Player Bad Company 2, 3rd level]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[SV-98]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;SV-98 Snaiperskaya&amp;quot; in the game. It has a green finish, with the bipod folded in.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SV98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SV-98, 7.62x54R/7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-SV98.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_GOL.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SV98BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px| SV-98, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso Rush]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[VSS Vintorez]]==&lt;br /&gt;
In-game identified as &amp;quot;VSS Snaiperskaya Special&amp;quot;. Modeled with 10-round magazine, but carries 20. Fires full auto only, while the real VSS is select-fire.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vss1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|VSS Vintorez, 9x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-VSS.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M24 Sniper Rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Remington Model 700#M24 Sniper Rifle|M24 sniper rifle]] is the standard bolt-action sniper rifle used by recon class. It is clearly identified as M24A3 since it uses detachable 5 round box-magazine. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M24.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M24A2, 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M24.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_M24.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M24BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M24, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Barrett M95]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;M95 Sniper&amp;quot; in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:barrett_m90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M95, .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M95.jpg|thumb|none|700px|In fact, it is anti-materi'''e'''l rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Barret 95.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Barret M95, .50BMG Multiplayer Bad Company 2, Valparaiso]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[GOL sniper rifle|GOL]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;GOL Sniper Magnum&amp;quot; in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GOL Sniper Magnum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GOL-Sniper, .338 Lapua]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-GOL.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GOLBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|GOL, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Isla Innocents]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[SVD Dragunov#SVU Dragunov|SVU]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;SVU Snaiperskaya Short&amp;quot; in the game. Equipped with a suppressor and PSO-1 scope.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:svu-a_2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVU, 7.62x54mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-SVU.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVUBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|SVU, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa Rush]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Shotguns=&lt;br /&gt;
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Can be used by any class once unlocked. Can be equipped with extended magazines or loaded with slugs once either are unlocked.&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Remington 870]]MCS==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;870 Combat&amp;quot; in the game. Has a four round tube as standard, eight rounds with extended mags. First unlocked shotgun.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington_870MCS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870MCS, 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M870.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:REMINGTON870BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Remington 870, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Nelson Bay]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Franchi SPAS-12]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;SPAS-12 Combat&amp;quot; in the game. Same magazine tube sizes as the 870, and operates only in pump-action mode.  &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Franchi12.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-12, 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Spas 12 Multiplayer.JPG|thumb|none|700px|SPAS-12 Multiplayer, Port Valdez]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[NeoStead 2000 Shotgun|NeoStead 2000]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;Neostead 2000 Combat&amp;quot; in the game. Has a four shot mag tube as standard, increased to eight with extended mags.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Neostead.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Neostead Shotgun, 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-NS2000.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_NS2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Neostead Shotgun, 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NEOSTEAD2000.JPG|thumb|none|700px|NeoStead Shotgun 12 Gauge, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Izhmash_Saiga_series_shotgun#Saiga_20|Saiga-20]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;Saiga 20K Semi&amp;quot; in the game. Has a six shot magazine as standard, increased to twelve with extended mags.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Saiga20k.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Saiga 20-K, 20 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-S20.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Saiga12KBC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px| Saiga 20K 12g, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[USAS-12]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;USAS-12 Automatic&amp;quot; in the game. Has same mag capacities as the Saiga 20K.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|USAS-12, 12-gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USAS 12, 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2USAS12SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|USAS-12, final mission single player.  This is what happens when you unload several 12 round 12 gauge magazines in rapid succession inside an airplane]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[TOZ-194]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the PS3 and PC beta, but only usable in Single Player in the full game. 8-round mag capacity. Slug version can also be found in single-player.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Toz194.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TOZ-194, 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TOZ.JPG|thumb|none|700px|TOZ-194, 12 Gauge Singleplayer 2nd level]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TOZBC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|TOZ-194, 12 Gauge Singleplayer 3rd level]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Machine Guns=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Available to the Medic class.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;M249 SAW&amp;quot; in the game. Has a 200 round belt.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M249ParaModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249 Paratrooper, 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M249.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M249ParaBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M249 Para, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Port Valdez]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[PKM]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;PKM LMG&amp;quot; in the game.  This is the starting weapon for medics in multiplayer. Has a 100 round belt.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HungarianPKM.jpg|thumb|400px|none|PKM, 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-PKM.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_PKM.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM.JPG|thumb|700px|none|PKM, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Atacama Desert Rush]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch [[MG36]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;MG36&amp;quot; in the game. Has a 100 round Beta-C Mag.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MG36, 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-MG36.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG36 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MG36 Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[XM8]] LMG==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;XM8 LMG&amp;quot; in the game. Has the same magazine as the MG36. The description states the XM8 LMG has a built in scope but this feature is not available in the game&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:XM8LMG.PNG|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch XM8 LMG, 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-XM8MG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:XM8LMGBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px| XM8 LMG with 4x scope, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa Rush]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:XM8MGBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px| XM8 LMG, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso Rush]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[QJY-88]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;Type-88 LMG&amp;quot; in the game. Has a 200 round belt.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:type88gpmg2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QJY 88, 5.8x42mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-QJY88.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Type88BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|QJY88 w/ Red Dot sight as seen in Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Nelson Bay]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M60]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Called &amp;quot;M60 LMG&amp;quot; in the game. Has a 100 round belt. Functions as Sweetwater's new signature gun in campaign mode, replacing his original M249.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60, 7.62x51mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M60.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Notice that M60 is medium machine gun, not light machine gun (LMG)]] Correct but called General Purpose usually no size defined.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_M60.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Terrence Sweetwater wielding his M60, alongside Preston Marlowe and his XM8.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M60 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M60 with red dot sight in multiplayer, Bad Company 2]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[MG42#MG3|MG3]]==&lt;br /&gt;
A modernized MG42 rebranded the MG3. Has a 100 round belt and the highest rate of fire of any of the LMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG 3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG3, 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-MG3.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_MG3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG3 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MG3, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer with Red Dot sight.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG3BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MG3, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Launchers=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M203]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted on the HK416, M16A2, and AUG.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M203, 40x46mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[GP-30]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted on the AEK-971 and the AN-94.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GP30, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted on the XM8. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Some say &amp;quot;It's AG-36.&amp;quot; but, in reality, it can't mounted on the XM8. The AG 36 (for G36) is an adapted M320. The L85A2 rifle uses an other adapted M320 called the AG 80,this is not the same as the AG 36.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC_XM8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M-320, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AG36BC2Reloading.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M-320 Reloading, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[RPG-7]]==&lt;br /&gt;
RPG-7 is the standard Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher used by Russian Engineer class. It is unguided, but it can be also used as a guided rocket launcher using Tracer Dart Gun. Weapon fitted with PGO-7 scope.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2 RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RPG7BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|RPG-7, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Arica Harbor]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M136 [[AT4]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Has a built in tracking system, and is thereby not compatible with the Tracer Dart Gun.  The reload animation is the player throwing away the launcher and grabbing a new one from his back.  This means that the Engineer can carry up to 8 AT4's on their back if the extra explosives perk is chosen.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|M136 AT4, 84mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-AT4.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AT4 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AT4 Multiplayer]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AT4 sight.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AT4 sight.  The sight is a laser targeting system, with the orange square being where the rocket will impact.  If the launcher is discarded before the missle impacts, the missle will still turn to follow the laser point, most likely making it hit the ground.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Carl_Gustav_recoilless_rifle#Carl Gustav M3|Carl Gustav M3]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Carl Gustav M3 is the Anti-Tank recoilless rifle used by the engineer class. Like RPG-7, it can be used as a guided rocket launcher using Tracer Dart Gun. It is erroneously referred as the M2 model when it is actually a M3 model which can be distinguished from the M2 model by the carry handle.&lt;br /&gt;
 [[Image:CarlGustavM3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Carl Gustav M3, 84mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFBC2-M2CG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_M2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CarlGustavBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Carl Gustav, Bad Comopany 2 Multiplayer]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Emplaced Weapons=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==XM312==&lt;br /&gt;
The XM312 is mounted on Humvees, CAVs, and stationary turrets. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mounted Weapons.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM307 and XM312 mounted on a CAV in single player.  The 307 is controlled by the player (who is also the driver) while a squadmate controls the 312.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:XM312BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM312 mounted on a Humvee, First Person View. Note lack of bullets feeding into the gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:XM312BC2V2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM312 mounted on a Humvee, Side View]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:XM312Shield.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM312 mounted on a Shield, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Nelson Bay.  The sheild is impervious to everything except explosives.  Even a .50 Cal sniper round is unable to get through the viewing port.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Kord heavy machine gun]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted on stationary turrets and Vodniks.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_KORD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kord heavy machine gun 12.7x108mm with ammo drum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:KordBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Kord Heavy machine gun, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Isla Innocents]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Browning M1919==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Browning M1919]] only appears in the first level as a mounted machine gun used by the Japanese.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Browning 1919.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Browning M1919 .30 Cal Left side]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Browning 1919 2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Browning M1919 .30 Cal Right side]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Browning M2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M2]] is mounted on top of the american M1A2 tank&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tank BFBC2.png|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M134]] Minigun==&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted on MH-60 Black Hawks.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Minigun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Dillon Aero M134 with flash suppressor - 7.62x51mm. These are new model M134 Miniguns or just updated GE Miniguns which are usually seen with a different spade grip mount that were used during the Vietnam War.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==XM307==&lt;br /&gt;
The XM307 is found mounted on the CAV and a pair are mounted on the Patrol Boat. In an update on the 8th of June the standalone XM307 has been added to the multiplayer stats section, and has been added in game in Map Pack 4. In the stats section it is incorrectly named an XM306, but in the in game killfeed it says XM307 like it should.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2_XM312.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM307, 25x59mm B]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mounted Weapons.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM307 and XM312 mounted on a CAV in single player.  The 307 is controlled by the player (who is also the driver) while a squadmate controls the 312.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[QLZ-87]]==&lt;br /&gt;
The emplaced version of the [[QLZ-87]] was originally found only in the single player game. In an update on the 8th of June, it was added to the multiplayer stats section, and was added to multiplayer proper with the Onslaught DLC, where it appeared on the Atacama Desert and Isla Inocentes maps.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:QLZ87Heavy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QLZ-87, 35mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MGL BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==BGM-71 TOW==&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted on stationary turrets and some Humvees.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tow 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|BGM-71 TOW mounted on M220 tripod 152mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==AT-14 Kornet==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Kornet-at-14-anti-tank-missile.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted on stationary turrets.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[ZU-23]]-2==&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted alone and sometimes on the BMD-3&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M167 VADS==&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted alone and on an M113 chassis. In an update on the 8th of June it has been added to the multiplayer stats section, and has been added in large numbers to the Map Pack 4 maps, Atacama Desert Rush and Port Valdez Conquest. The only sign of the M113 mounted version is in the game files and in the picture for the vehicle perks shortcut upgrade in the game store.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M167BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M167, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Atacama Desert Rush]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:War]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:First-Person Shooter]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Battlefield]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Battlefield: Bad Company 2 Vietnam (Expansion Pack)=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Assault Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M16A1]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Seen in the TGS Trailer&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-M16.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[AK47]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Used in the TGS game-play demo.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-AK.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Battle Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M14]]==&lt;br /&gt;
The M14 appears to be fully automatic in the expansion.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-M14.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Submachine Guns=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[PPSh-41]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Used in the TGS Game-play demo. Despite being modeled with a drum magazine, the in-game weapon has a magazine capacity of 25.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-PPSH.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[MAC-10]]==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-MAC10.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[IMI Uzi]]==&lt;br /&gt;
the Uzi makes a return in this expansion.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-UZI.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Note that there isn't a suppressor on this one]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Machine Guns=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[MG3]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Mounted on a Tank in the TGS Trailer&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M60]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Seen Mounted on UH-1 Hueys in the Anouncement trailer&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Stoner 63]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Used in the TGS Game-play demo&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[RPK]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Seen in the Hill 137 trailer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Handguns=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Used in the TGS Game-play demo&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Colt M1911A1]]==&lt;br /&gt;
The M1911A1 makes a return.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Sniper Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
==[[SVD Dragunov]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Seen in the Hill 137 trailer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M40 Sniper Rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-M40.jpg|700px|thumb|none]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M21]]==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M21_m1a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M21 Sniper Rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Shotguns=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Remington 870 Shotgun]]==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-870.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Launchers=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M79 grenade launcher]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Used in the TGS Game-play demo&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-M79.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Is painted like the one in Battlefield Vietnam and Apocalypse Now]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[RPG-7]]==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-RPG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Miscellaneous=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[M2 Flamethrower]]==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BC2V-Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arnold_Schwarzenegger&amp;diff=371844</id>
		<title>Talk:Arnold Schwarzenegger</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arnold_Schwarzenegger&amp;diff=371844"/>
		<updated>2010-12-29T01:38:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Schwarzenegger really seems to like Glocks and Desert Eagles.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Desert Eagle is ideal for Arnold's Hands. So's the Minigun :P&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Who hasn't used a Glock nowadays? And when you imagine Arnold in a classic action role, you imagine him with a Desert Eagle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:30, 12 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I commented on the Glock because he has used many different models in many films. He used three different models in ''[[End of Days]]'' alone.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Anti-gun==&lt;br /&gt;
Is Arnie anti-gun? His state sure is but I don't know how much of that can be laid at his feet and how much is simply the idiotic state legislature’s fault. Does anyone know where this guy stands on Gun Rights? He is a Republican so I would assume he would at least have to pay lip service to being pro second amendment. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]&lt;br /&gt;
:He says he's a conservative only on fiscal issues. He's a moderate on social issues. I did a search on the net, and it looks like he truly is a moderate. (I can't find his NRA ratings in past elections, however.) [http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_Gun_Control.htm | Official quotes] [http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=2449 | Pro-gun] [http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=12997 | Anti-gun] --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::From some of his quotes it sounds like he is more pro gun-control than against. Also, one of the links mentions California's Ammunition Registration program which I had heard of previously and still believe is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard of. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sylvester_Stallone&amp;diff=371843</id>
		<title>Talk:Sylvester Stallone</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sylvester_Stallone&amp;diff=371843"/>
		<updated>2010-12-29T01:37:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I refused to make a page for this scum-bag because of what a hypocritical dick-wad he is. He was in some many action films and was a gun gun but then his friend gets shot and he might as well be Bill Clinton. And whenever he does commentary for a movie, he always talks about the guns for us &amp;quot;Gun-nuts&amp;quot;, but he doesn't know his ass from his elbow and never tells anything right. I strongly dislike him. Plus it's not like he is a quality actor. He's won more razzies than anyone else in 20 years and his first movie was a fricken' porno drugfest called &amp;quot;The Italian Stallione&amp;quot;. Just want people to know. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree Stallone's comment about how America should ban all handguns is hypocritical (same with Schwarzenegger's similar statements), but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a page. He's been in lots of movies with guns. And let's face it; the &amp;quot;Rambo&amp;quot; movies are classics, if for ''many'' of the wrong reasons. -MT2008&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:And he gets even MORE hypocritical because he reportedly got a pair of the custom Kimbers from [[The Expendables]] made for himself that weren't adapted for blank firing. Now if being anti handgun and then getting a pair of custom pistols made isn't hypocritical, then i don't know what is! [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 01:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He was a *bleep-bleep* in Demolition Man. Wesley Snipes was the real hero.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Hey, language, language. -MT2008&lt;br /&gt;
::Fixed. That isn't a good work to use, EVER. I'm not saying he didn't deserve a page, I'm just saying their was no way in hell I was gonna make it. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
: I added a picture but I refuse to do more. I'm not breaking a sweat over him. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm on it -UW&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arnold_Schwarzenegger&amp;diff=371842</id>
		<title>Talk:Arnold Schwarzenegger</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arnold_Schwarzenegger&amp;diff=371842"/>
		<updated>2010-12-29T01:29:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Schwarzenegger really seems to like Glocks and Desert Eagles.&lt;br /&gt;
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Desert Eagle is ideal for Arnold's Hands. So's the Minigun :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Who hasn't used a Glock nowadays? And when you imagine Arnold in a classic action role, you imagine him with a Desert Eagle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:30, 12 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I commented on the Glock because he has used many different models in many films. He used three different models in ''[[End of Days]]'' alone.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Anti-gun==&lt;br /&gt;
Is Arnie anti-gun? His state sure is but I don't know how much of that can be laid at his feet and how much is simply the idiotic state legislature’s fault. Does anyone know where this guy stands on Gun Rights? He is a Republican so I would assume he would at least have to pay lip service to being pro second amendment. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]&lt;br /&gt;
:He says he's a conservative only on fiscal issues. He's a moderate on social issues. I did a search on the net, and it looks like he truly is a moderate. (I can't find his NRA ratings in past elections, however.) [http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_Gun_Control.htm | Official quotes] [http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=2449 | Pro-gun] [http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=12997 | Anti-gun] --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::From some of his quotes it sounds like he is more pro gun-control than against. Also, one of the links mentions California's Ammunition Registration program which I had heard of previously and still believe is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard of. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Dunno about Arnie but Sly is! Which is kinda weird in a way, since he (reportedly) got a pair of Barney Ross' Kimbers from [[The Expendables]] without blank firing adaptment for himself. But i don't really believe Arnie to be anti gun but i dunno really [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 01:29, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:The Terminator (1984)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==Sound Effects==&lt;br /&gt;
:''It seems, with the recent DVD releases of this movie, they remastered the sound as well.  Though I've yet to see the police station shootout scene in full, there are several points where I've done double takes trying to reconcile watching it now with my childhood memories of VHS.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:47, 1 April 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I noticed that too. I own the VHS and when I saw it on TV, they used better gunshots and got rid of all the ricocheting sounds. I didn't really mind too much though. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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- I actually preferred the original (VHS) sound effects, though in some parts the new sounds are somewhat better. They still didn't fix the screwed up effects during the police station shootout where the SPAS sounds like the AR-18 though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Laser Sight==&lt;br /&gt;
I always wondered why the Terminator needed a laser sight on his gun, besides making it look really cool.&lt;br /&gt;
:It was new technology at the time, and director James Cameron wanted the visual impact of the red dot glowing on Linda Hamilton's forehead.  Prior to the early 1980s there were few scenes of Laser dot sighting systems, of course, NOW they are a cliche, but back then they were fresh. MPM2008&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course, no Terminator would need a laser sight.&lt;br /&gt;
PLUS no Terminator would ever miss, not to mention waste 9mm ammo with an Uzi, like in the scene at the &amp;quot;tech-noir&amp;quot; club.&lt;br /&gt;
But on the other hand, it's just a movie. --[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 18:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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For those of you who want to know more about how the laser sight and gun were designed, I found an article where they a few guys at the Game Developer Conference (2010) talk to the person who designed and built the gun.  This is a bit redundant due to the link on the main page already, but I believe it gives more background info. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/just-what-you-see-the-story-behind-the-45-long-slide-laser-siting.ars --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 15:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Uzi ==&lt;br /&gt;
I have read in a biography of Arnold that the Uzi used in the film was borrowed from a federal agency as they were the only ones with full auto Uzi's in those days. Would anyone care to confirm that information? [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Baloney.  Federal Agency Uzis would NOT be &amp;quot;Hollywood blank adapted&amp;quot;, i.e. barrel tapped and a BFA screwed into the barrel interior for hot movie blanks.  I've seen Federal Law enforcement train sometimes with commercial 'weak' blanks, and I've seen those military 9mm blanks, but they're nothing close to full flash movie blanks.  Also military and Law enforcement tend to use external 'attachable' blank firing adaptors so that the weapon can be quickly rendered back into active service.  Also the film was made in 1984.  The movie industry had no problem getting Uzis by that time.  The Movie [[Stripes]] shot in 1980, released in 1981 has MAC-10s disguised as Uzis and some legitimate Uzis as well.   MPM2008&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually the weapon Arnie used was directly provided by Action Arms which, at the time, was the primary provider of the full auto Uzi, and its' semi-auto siblings, during the 80s in the US.  In addition, and if memory serves, Schwarzenegger was presented with an Uzi by the owner of Action Arms after the success of the film.  Action Arms also provided him with the training in the weapon's use and maintenance.  A clearer history can be found here.&lt;br /&gt;
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::http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/actionarms.htm&lt;br /&gt;
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::Part way down, and next to a pic of Mitch Kalter, AA's spokesperson at the time, is a summary of the Uzi's use in the film. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Pipe bomb pics==&lt;br /&gt;
Uzi870,  despite the practices of some of the other users, it is not necessary to put so many pics of the pipe bombs, especially shots where we don't see the actual weapon, but only  the aftermath.  At this point it is just RETELLING the movie rather than identifying the weapon.  As an admin I tend to delete images which belabor the point and don't even show the weapons in the section.  Please try to use some discipline when doing screenshots.    Pipe bombs, like IEDs, are not standard enough weapons to merit a page on the gun category, and no viewer would 'wonder what make and model' pipe bomb was used.  Thanks.  MPM2008&lt;br /&gt;
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== Comment ==&lt;br /&gt;
I agree about the G3 being a good choice. If someone were to put one into the Terminator's head they could maybe kill it.- S&amp;amp;Wshooter&lt;br /&gt;
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: I think most of the guns the rebels use in the terminator movies could destroy terminators.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless the G3 was supposed to be some sort of plasma rifle, it would serve little purpose other than to chase off unwanted survivors.&lt;br /&gt;
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Well in Terminator Salvation we see that the T-600s are vulnerable to 7.62mm rounds as Connor kills one with an M60 and another shoots it's own leg off with a Minigun.  Hell in the opening scene, John puts one down point blank with 5.56mm rounds, which do nothing against the T-800 later in the film, or the one from the first film.&lt;br /&gt;
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:In Salvation, the T-600 he put down point blank with 5.56mm rounds was already damaged. Since it was pinned down by the Huey he could get a straight shot right where the CPU was located. The one he shot with the M60 it's legs where gone, but otherwise functional. The T-800 at the end of the film, maybe it had better steel? But it was most likely for dramatic effect, the rounds having no effect. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:48, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The T-600s are primitive compared to the later Terminators, and their cybernetic cortex is actually exposed to damage, which is a design flaw Skynet later corrected. And T-800s are made of &amp;quot;hyperalloy,&amp;quot; not steel - what hyperalloy is depends on the terminator in question; earlier models were made of titanium alloy, with later models are supposed to be constructed of coltan, which doesn't make sense since a) coltan is black, while terminators are very shiny like chromed steel, and b) coltan is an ore, not an alloy, from which one can extract niobium and tantalum. Kyle Reese describes the T-800 as being &amp;quot;fully armored&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;very tough;&amp;quot; T-800s are regularly demonstrated completely shrugging off small arms fire. It's not so much that the T-800 was suddenly invincible for dramatic effect, since three movies (along with video games and comics and novels and so on) have demonstrated that most small arms do little to the infiltrator cyborgs beyond slowing them down. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 11:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Poorly trained police officers ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sarah Conner was shown body armour in the police station. But when the Terminator began his killing spree, police officers were seen passing out M16A1 assault rifles but no body armour. Why's that??&lt;br /&gt;
::Also you're assessing their police tactics with what police do ... TODAY.  Heavy duty body armor was NOT common practice back in the day.  And in the early 1980s many cops had only the lightweight Threat level II undershirt vests and only at certain times.   The 1980s and 1990s changed A LOT of police tactics (some for the better, some for the worse (like how they treat suspects even if they are cooperating))[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:22, 12 March 2010 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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It was unexpected attack so they only had time to grab rifle. by the time they got the vests on it wouldn't matter becuse the terminator would have find. the body armor police have are probably not military grade so they wont stop round form the AR-18.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The body armor that Lt. Traxler gave Sarah looked pretty good. It didn't look like it was handgun rated only. He did commented in the film that &amp;quot;it will stop a 12 gauge round&amp;quot;, he didn't say anything about rifles though. But as the second poster said it was an unexpected attack, I mean who attacks a police station? Only the terminator. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I also recalled that there were 30 police officers in the station and that 17 of them were murdered by the Terminator, were the rest of the officers were hiding throughout the entire killing spree??&lt;br /&gt;
:The other 13 may have just been wounded. Det. Vukovich showed up in an early draft of T3, wheelchair-bound. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for pointing it out.&lt;br /&gt;
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Something that always bothered me was how Traxler and Vukovich talked about Body Armor but&lt;br /&gt;
were apparently killed by the Terminator. I assumed they were wearing it under their shirts.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a Deleted Scene, Traxler briefly survived his wounds and handed a 6 shooter to Reese.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Trigger Discipline==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the screenshot in which Kyle is playfully aiming his Valmet M82A at a child, shouldn't it be mentioned that he still has his finger on the trigger? [[Special:Contributions/193.1.104.2|193.1.104.2]] 02:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Rules%2C_Standards_and_Principles#No_sarcastic_or_insulting_Commentary Also in the screenshot where he does it, I'm not sure if the gun goes up any further. If that's the case he's pointing at the floor, the weapon could be on safe too.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 10:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bullets on the counter at gunstores ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I went to my local Cabela's and apparently they started to put SOME, like small stacks of pistol ammo on the counters now [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Never understood why the Terminator bothered to load the weapon at all while the gunshop owner just stood there protesting like a nimrod. The thing is freakishly strong (I wonder why it didn't cart off the gigantic anti-tank rifle... maybe they don't keep 20x138mm shells in stock...) and could have just punched him in the head and it would have been fatal. Hell, it could have just crushed his windpipe - Terminators don't seem to care about being very subtle anyway. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 11:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Quite likely the Terminator wasn't loading the shotgun to specifically kill the store owner - after all it doesn't eliminate everything it sees - but rather to have its newfound arsenal immediately ready for action. Only after the store owner protests said action does he become a perceived threat to the mission, conveniently neutralized with the now-loaded shotgun already in its hands. -- Fin- 14:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Police Station Attack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Terminator is shot by Police and sometimes reacts to the shots by flinching slightly, probably the bullet impacts. However, He doesnt respond at all to the M16 fire by Traxler and Vukovich. '''Would the .38 Special be more powerful than a 5.56mm?'''&lt;br /&gt;
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simply said...No. A .38 spcl only have about 200 foot pounds of energy and the 5.56 has 1,300 foot pounds of energy.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:39, 9 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Story incongruencies==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone else note how the short bit of story on the cover doesn't match completely up with the in movie story? The bit on the cover makes it seem like humans in the future thought John Connor a threat and therefore created the Terminator for the sole reason of going back in time to kill Sarah Connor. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 01:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Terminator Salvation</title>
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&lt;div&gt;bullets work on robots in this movie? That's a new thing. Every movie we see humans shoot these toasters with bullets, they just bounce right off. Unless the humans in this movie are using some new kind of bullets, or the guns are just props for &amp;quot;plasma&amp;quot; weapons&lt;br /&gt;
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Winchester here...i just saw the trailer and saw that bullets do in fact work against the terminators as they havent been armored too well yet. And the rifle is in fact an H&amp;amp;K 416.&lt;br /&gt;
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:5.56x45mm FMJs would ricochet off &amp;quot;simple steel&amp;quot; like none other. Either the metal that Terminators are made of isnt that hardened or everybody's using APRs, but i doubt it, so i'm guessing lesser armored Terminators. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
::They likely fire those plasma rounds we see all the guns fire in the other Terminator films. Keep in mind, those were real guns firing some type of futuristic ammo. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::In the trailer, Connor clearly fires bullets into the Terminator's head, i didnt see any plasma or anything. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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we'll find out when the movie comes out but I am disappointed that there's not plasma weapons&lt;br /&gt;
:Real weapons are better anyway. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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The T800s use hardened armor of a special metal. This is rare. T600s are made of simpler metals, which ammo can punch through. Most guns are shown as ineffective though.&lt;br /&gt;
:I prefer real guns though and i think i read in some terminator books how the T-600 are made of normal metal which normal rifle rounds and 45 ACP can punch through. I don't know much about stopping power of ammo against metal so i can't say if thats realistic or not.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the original Terminator, Kyle Reese remarks about the T-800: &amp;quot;Underneath, it's a hyper-alloy combat chassis - micro processor-controlled, fully armored. Very tough....[t]he 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy.&amp;quot;  So, assuming the non-T-800 models are made of the original material, their vulnerability is plausible.-[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]]  14:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The T-600 aren't made of hardened alloys in order to keep weight down. Some small arms fire is absolutely useless against T-600's (We watched Connor empty a mag's worth of .45's at the T-600 point blank with no effect. But some of the larger caliber rounds could puncture various parts, like thinner areas of the skull or unprotected hydraulic or electrical lines. The T-800's utilize a lightweight &amp;quot;Hyper-Alloy&amp;quot; of unknown composition meaning that large caliber armor piercing rounds, or anti material rounds would be the most effective... aside from crew served weapons or high explosives. [[User:Archer|Archer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Connor's rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don't think it's a 416. Take a closer look at that promotional still. The rifle has flip-up sights that the 416 doesn't have. Unless there were a modification added, but I think it's just a regular M4 with a full rail on top. &lt;br /&gt;
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:i agree look at the barrel lug, that screams M4.&lt;br /&gt;
and because somebody is gonna come around bitching heres some proof. look at the barrels.&lt;br /&gt;
:H&amp;amp;K 416 http://world.guns.ru/assault/as75-e.htm&lt;br /&gt;
:Colt M4A1 http://www.imfdb.org/images/e/ed/ColtM4.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
I could be wrong, but when I was looking at the .PNG, i saw what looked to be part of an H&amp;amp;K Safety/Fire Selector. I don't ever recall seeing that type of fire selector on an M4A1, and i don't think it was a piece of debris either, as what I saw was a white rectangle aligned with the reciever&lt;br /&gt;
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:Its definitely an HK416. The selector switch is painted white where it should be. You can also see the gas block is correct for an HK416 even though the flashlight is partially in the way. Seems like too much work for it to be simply a custom m4.&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be a barrett m468&lt;br /&gt;
:First off, why the hell does everyone start thinking a &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot; looking rifle is a Barrett REC7 all the time? I've seen plenty of that here. I have yet to see a movie or TV series that shows Barrett REC7 outside of Future Weapons. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And yes it is a 416, I took a closer look at the selector switch. I guess they gave the one used by Christian Bale, a longer barrel and swapped out the sights for those we see. Looking closer, the rails fit the kind H&amp;amp;K uses for the 416. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You guys DO also know that HK manufactures a 416 upper receiver for the M4, right?&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, it's the same 416 upper reciever for all the H&amp;amp;K 416s. It was proposed that to cut down cost for the military to adopting the 416, they just buy the upper reciever, which can easily slap onto any M4. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Another Reason it cannot be an M468 is that it is lacking the M468's signature SIR handguard. Without it the gun is again put into question whether it is really an HK416 instead of the M468.&lt;br /&gt;
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Jeez, this is messy, someone cut and paste all this into &amp;quot;discussion&amp;quot;, I'm sure when people open this page they don't want to just see some big argument cluttering up the page - [[User:AdAstra2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Done. But it's not like cutting and pasting arguments into the Discussion section is something you couldn't have done. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Just lazy and sometimes, people don't look in the discussion section [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I did not do so since as I was not participating in the discussion over whether it was a M4A1 or a HK416 I did not think it would be appropriate for me to be the one to do so. [[User:AdAstra2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Note the white writing on the breech, under his left hand...confirming it being an H&amp;amp;K 416 (The Winchester)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Definitely a 416, but looked like it had the HK rear sight replaced with an ARMS one. I just got back from seeing the movie. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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Quick update, it is using YHM flip up iron sights. It is a 416, as noted by the rail system, special upper receiver, and special lower receiver. Please update the info to include that it uses YHM BUIS, as I had a hell of a time tracking it down!&lt;br /&gt;
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== Anachronism? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Perhaps this might be a bit of a nit-pick, but since Terminator Salvation assumes that Judgment Day takes place in 2004 (after the events of Terminator 3), wouldn't the presence of the Magpul Masada (first displayed in 2007) be an anachronism? [[User:Markit|Markit]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Good point, Markit. I actually think that its more like a CQBR or M933, because one of the pictures shows [[Common]] with a M4-style weapon. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm going to see this tonight. I'll see what I can pick out on it. But, at first glance from the screencap, the visual profile (mainly in the receiver and fore grip area) looks like a Masada rather than an AR variant. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, definitely a Masada from what little of it I saw. Unless they stuck a Masada stock on an AR, but somehow I find that unlikely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
:http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Masadasalvation.jpg --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 07:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
They never specifically state Judgment Day occurs in 2004, and the fact McG does not like T3 at all. There are a few things that crossed over from T3 (like The T-1 model seen in the beginning of the directors cut and the &amp;quot;SKYNET central&amp;quot; scenes) But McG has been stating his plans to have another foray into a Pre-Judgment Day world (which he stated seeing Connor running around in 2011) [[user:Archer|Archer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M26 12 Gauge MASS stand alone ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I get that John Conner removes this shotgun attachment from his M4, but how was he able to pull the trigger back without a proper grip? It seemed kinda awkward to hold and more so to pull the trigger and fire it without some form of pistol grip. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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how can a shot guns damage a Terminator?&lt;br /&gt;
:''It's been accepted throughout the series that while shotguns won't necessarily damage a Terminator, they'll slow or halt it's progress temporarily.  In [[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]], the shotgun wasso it like hitting one with a  incredibly effective against the T1000 on numerous occasions.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I forget about that, I need to watch the movies again    Rex095&lt;br /&gt;
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How and when does connor get the MASS off the M4, and where does the M4 go? He sprays Arnie with the burst then next time we see the him he's just got the MASS. Also did anyone notice Connor empties the Mk 23 into Arnies face at point blank range yet when moments later he shoots the pipe there is magically a round left in the pistol? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 05:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm watching the movie as i write and i believe that just after the T-800/Arnie first comes into the room and Connor has fired a burst at it/him, the M4 empties and he fiddles around with it a bit and is then thrown across the room and when he lands he has only the M26 in his hands. Possibly since the M4 was empty he detatched it quickly and left the M4 behind when the T-800/Arnie threw him. Oh and the slide didn't lock back after he shot Arnie in the face so i don't think it emptied. I literally just watched the part (Marcus just ripped off Arnies head) and i didn't see the slide lock back. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 00:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Movie ==&lt;br /&gt;
I watched this movie in the theather yesterday. I fucking loved every minute of it. Can i screencap this movie when it comes out? Please? Please?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gun on top of tow truck ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a machine gun mounted on top of the tow truck (the first time we see the moto terminators in the car chase scene).  It looks like an M249 or M240.  Anyone else? - Gunkatas&lt;br /&gt;
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There are also LMGs on top of some of the resistances pickups. No really good shot s of them though. They could be SAWS, 240s, PKMs, or Vecktors for all I know.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like an m60 to mee.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Uzi. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In one one the scens where John Conner is doing a radio broadcast, one of the resistance fighters in the cell in the jungle has an Uzi. A rather poor choice for fighting the machines if you ask me. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Unless they have manufactured Russian 9mm ammo that is built with a steel core that is armor piercing. And it could easily be that is all he had.&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16s/M4s ==&lt;br /&gt;
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One severael resistance members that get off the choppers at the begining have Either M16s, or M4s, and at least some of them have underbarrel M203s. In addition at least one resistance member at John Conner's base has and M16 A4 with a 203 uncer a barrel, and what I belive to be an M68 red dot sight.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Connor's gun rack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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on the gun rack in connor's room i saw 2 hk ump's, g36k, g36c all with c-more sights&lt;br /&gt;
there might have been others but that was all i could see&lt;br /&gt;
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== perfect info ==&lt;br /&gt;
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perfect week week i find your blog to google cool&lt;br /&gt;
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:I smell a failed spambot...--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's SKYNET!! It's gaining awareness, run!!!!!--[[Special:Contributions/97.240.30.172|97.240.30.172]] 19:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== unknown pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
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looks like an LAR Grizzly pistol in .45 acp&lt;br /&gt;
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== jungle resistance ==&lt;br /&gt;
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one of the resistance members in the jungle listening to connor on the radio had some kind of m16 carbine&lt;br /&gt;
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:What jungle? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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He's referring to the &amp;quot;You are the resistance&amp;quot; broadcasts, and  is correct. From what I could tell on the DVD it looked more like some shorty M16 then an actual M4. Hard to make out much more.&lt;br /&gt;
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== FS2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How is it an FS2000?[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 31 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==sp101==&lt;br /&gt;
I dont think that revolver is a sp101 because the barrel looks to long and the grip seems to big as well...more likely a GP100 or something of that effect.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, that is absolutely a GP100. I own 2 of them. -J3&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mark 23 ammo==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it just me or did John Connor only fire 5 or 6 rounds the first time he uses his Mark 23 before it emptied? [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 00:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought that he only fired a few times before he had to move because of the terminator was on him.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, the slide locked back empty [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 00:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terminator_Salvation&amp;diff=371821</id>
		<title>Talk:Terminator Salvation</title>
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&lt;div&gt;bullets work on robots in this movie? That's a new thing. Every movie we see humans shoot these toasters with bullets, they just bounce right off. Unless the humans in this movie are using some new kind of bullets, or the guns are just props for &amp;quot;plasma&amp;quot; weapons&lt;br /&gt;
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Winchester here...i just saw the trailer and saw that bullets do in fact work against the terminators as they havent been armored too well yet. And the rifle is in fact an H&amp;amp;K 416.&lt;br /&gt;
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:5.56x45mm FMJs would ricochet off &amp;quot;simple steel&amp;quot; like none other. Either the metal that Terminators are made of isnt that hardened or everybody's using APRs, but i doubt it, so i'm guessing lesser armored Terminators. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
::They likely fire those plasma rounds we see all the guns fire in the other Terminator films. Keep in mind, those were real guns firing some type of futuristic ammo. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::In the trailer, Connor clearly fires bullets into the Terminator's head, i didnt see any plasma or anything. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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we'll find out when the movie comes out but I am disappointed that there's not plasma weapons&lt;br /&gt;
:Real weapons are better anyway. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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The T800s use hardened armor of a special metal. This is rare. T600s are made of simpler metals, which ammo can punch through. Most guns are shown as ineffective though.&lt;br /&gt;
:I prefer real guns though and i think i read in some terminator books how the T-600 are made of normal metal which normal rifle rounds and 45 ACP can punch through. I don't know much about stopping power of ammo against metal so i can't say if thats realistic or not.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the original Terminator, Kyle Reese remarks about the T-800: &amp;quot;Underneath, it's a hyper-alloy combat chassis - micro processor-controlled, fully armored. Very tough....[t]he 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy.&amp;quot;  So, assuming the non-T-800 models are made of the original material, their vulnerability is plausible.-[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]]  14:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The T-600 aren't made of hardened alloys in order to keep weight down. Some small arms fire is absolutely useless against T-600's (We watched Connor empty a mag's worth of .45's at the T-600 point blank with no effect. But some of the larger caliber rounds could puncture various parts, like thinner areas of the skull or unprotected hydraulic or electrical lines. The T-800's utilize a lightweight &amp;quot;Hyper-Alloy&amp;quot; of unknown composition meaning that large caliber armor piercing rounds, or anti material rounds would be the most effective... aside from crew served weapons or high explosives. [[User:Archer|Archer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Connor's rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don't think it's a 416. Take a closer look at that promotional still. The rifle has flip-up sights that the 416 doesn't have. Unless there were a modification added, but I think it's just a regular M4 with a full rail on top. &lt;br /&gt;
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:i agree look at the barrel lug, that screams M4.&lt;br /&gt;
and because somebody is gonna come around bitching heres some proof. look at the barrels.&lt;br /&gt;
:H&amp;amp;K 416 http://world.guns.ru/assault/as75-e.htm&lt;br /&gt;
:Colt M4A1 http://www.imfdb.org/images/e/ed/ColtM4.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
I could be wrong, but when I was looking at the .PNG, i saw what looked to be part of an H&amp;amp;K Safety/Fire Selector. I don't ever recall seeing that type of fire selector on an M4A1, and i don't think it was a piece of debris either, as what I saw was a white rectangle aligned with the reciever&lt;br /&gt;
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:Its definitely an HK416. The selector switch is painted white where it should be. You can also see the gas block is correct for an HK416 even though the flashlight is partially in the way. Seems like too much work for it to be simply a custom m4.&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be a barrett m468&lt;br /&gt;
:First off, why the hell does everyone start thinking a &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot; looking rifle is a Barrett REC7 all the time? I've seen plenty of that here. I have yet to see a movie or TV series that shows Barrett REC7 outside of Future Weapons. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And yes it is a 416, I took a closer look at the selector switch. I guess they gave the one used by Christian Bale, a longer barrel and swapped out the sights for those we see. Looking closer, the rails fit the kind H&amp;amp;K uses for the 416. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, it's the same 416 upper reciever for all the H&amp;amp;K 416s. It was proposed that to cut down cost for the military to adopting the 416, they just buy the upper reciever, which can easily slap onto any M4. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Another Reason it cannot be an M468 is that it is lacking the M468's signature SIR handguard. Without it the gun is again put into question whether it is really an HK416 instead of the M468.&lt;br /&gt;
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Jeez, this is messy, someone cut and paste all this into &amp;quot;discussion&amp;quot;, I'm sure when people open this page they don't want to just see some big argument cluttering up the page - [[User:AdAstra2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Done. But it's not like cutting and pasting arguments into the Discussion section is something you couldn't have done. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Just lazy and sometimes, people don't look in the discussion section [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I did not do so since as I was not participating in the discussion over whether it was a M4A1 or a HK416 I did not think it would be appropriate for me to be the one to do so. [[User:AdAstra2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Note the white writing on the breech, under his left hand...confirming it being an H&amp;amp;K 416 (The Winchester)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Definitely a 416, but looked like it had the HK rear sight replaced with an ARMS one. I just got back from seeing the movie. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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Quick update, it is using YHM flip up iron sights. It is a 416, as noted by the rail system, special upper receiver, and special lower receiver. Please update the info to include that it uses YHM BUIS, as I had a hell of a time tracking it down!&lt;br /&gt;
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== Anachronism? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Perhaps this might be a bit of a nit-pick, but since Terminator Salvation assumes that Judgment Day takes place in 2004 (after the events of Terminator 3), wouldn't the presence of the Magpul Masada (first displayed in 2007) be an anachronism? [[User:Markit|Markit]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Good point, Markit. I actually think that its more like a CQBR or M933, because one of the pictures shows [[Common]] with a M4-style weapon. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm going to see this tonight. I'll see what I can pick out on it. But, at first glance from the screencap, the visual profile (mainly in the receiver and fore grip area) looks like a Masada rather than an AR variant. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, definitely a Masada from what little of it I saw. Unless they stuck a Masada stock on an AR, but somehow I find that unlikely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
:http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Masadasalvation.jpg --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 07:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
They never specifically state Judgment Day occurs in 2004, and the fact McG does not like T3 at all. There are a few things that crossed over from T3 (like The T-1 model seen in the beginning of the directors cut and the &amp;quot;SKYNET central&amp;quot; scenes) But McG has been stating his plans to have another foray into a Pre-Judgment Day world (which he stated seeing Connor running around in 2011) [[user:Archer|Archer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M26 12 Gauge MASS stand alone ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I get that John Conner removes this shotgun attachment from his M4, but how was he able to pull the trigger back without a proper grip? It seemed kinda awkward to hold and more so to pull the trigger and fire it without some form of pistol grip. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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how can a shot guns damage a Terminator?&lt;br /&gt;
:''It's been accepted throughout the series that while shotguns won't necessarily damage a Terminator, they'll slow or halt it's progress temporarily.  In [[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]], the shotgun wasso it like hitting one with a  incredibly effective against the T1000 on numerous occasions.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I forget about that, I need to watch the movies again    Rex095&lt;br /&gt;
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How and when does connor get the MASS off the M4, and where does the M4 go? He sprays Arnie with the burst then next time we see the him he's just got the MASS. Also did anyone notice Connor empties the Mk 23 into Arnies face at point blank range yet when moments later he shoots the pipe there is magically a round left in the pistol? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 05:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm watching the movie as i write and i believe that just after the T-800/Arnie first comes into the room and Connor has fired a burst at it/him, the M4 empties and he fiddles around with it a bit and is then thrown across the room and when he lands he has only the M26 in his hands. Possibly since the M4 was empty he detatched it quickly and left the M4 behind when the T-800/Arnie threw him. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 00:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Movie ==&lt;br /&gt;
I watched this movie in the theather yesterday. I fucking loved every minute of it. Can i screencap this movie when it comes out? Please? Please?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gun on top of tow truck ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a machine gun mounted on top of the tow truck (the first time we see the moto terminators in the car chase scene).  It looks like an M249 or M240.  Anyone else? - Gunkatas&lt;br /&gt;
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There are also LMGs on top of some of the resistances pickups. No really good shot s of them though. They could be SAWS, 240s, PKMs, or Vecktors for all I know.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like an m60 to mee.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Uzi. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In one one the scens where John Conner is doing a radio broadcast, one of the resistance fighters in the cell in the jungle has an Uzi. A rather poor choice for fighting the machines if you ask me. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Unless they have manufactured Russian 9mm ammo that is built with a steel core that is armor piercing. And it could easily be that is all he had.&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16s/M4s ==&lt;br /&gt;
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One severael resistance members that get off the choppers at the begining have Either M16s, or M4s, and at least some of them have underbarrel M203s. In addition at least one resistance member at John Conner's base has and M16 A4 with a 203 uncer a barrel, and what I belive to be an M68 red dot sight.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Connor's gun rack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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on the gun rack in connor's room i saw 2 hk ump's, g36k, g36c all with c-more sights&lt;br /&gt;
there might have been others but that was all i could see&lt;br /&gt;
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== perfect info ==&lt;br /&gt;
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perfect week week i find your blog to google cool&lt;br /&gt;
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:I smell a failed spambot...--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's SKYNET!! It's gaining awareness, run!!!!!--[[Special:Contributions/97.240.30.172|97.240.30.172]] 19:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== unknown pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:What jungle? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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He's referring to the &amp;quot;You are the resistance&amp;quot; broadcasts, and  is correct. From what I could tell on the DVD it looked more like some shorty M16 then an actual M4. Hard to make out much more.&lt;br /&gt;
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== FS2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How is it an FS2000?[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 31 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==sp101==&lt;br /&gt;
I dont think that revolver is a sp101 because the barrel looks to long and the grip seems to big as well...more likely a GP100 or something of that effect.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mark 23 ammo==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it just me or did John Connor only fire 5 or 6 rounds the first time he uses his Mark 23 before it emptied? [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 00:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought that he only fired a few times before he had to move because of the terminator was on him.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, the slide locked back empty [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 00:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Terminator Salvation</title>
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&lt;div&gt;bullets work on robots in this movie? That's a new thing. Every movie we see humans shoot these toasters with bullets, they just bounce right off. Unless the humans in this movie are using some new kind of bullets, or the guns are just props for &amp;quot;plasma&amp;quot; weapons&lt;br /&gt;
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Winchester here...i just saw the trailer and saw that bullets do in fact work against the terminators as they havent been armored too well yet. And the rifle is in fact an H&amp;amp;K 416.&lt;br /&gt;
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:5.56x45mm FMJs would ricochet off &amp;quot;simple steel&amp;quot; like none other. Either the metal that Terminators are made of isnt that hardened or everybody's using APRs, but i doubt it, so i'm guessing lesser armored Terminators. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
::They likely fire those plasma rounds we see all the guns fire in the other Terminator films. Keep in mind, those were real guns firing some type of futuristic ammo. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::In the trailer, Connor clearly fires bullets into the Terminator's head, i didnt see any plasma or anything. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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we'll find out when the movie comes out but I am disappointed that there's not plasma weapons&lt;br /&gt;
:Real weapons are better anyway. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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The T800s use hardened armor of a special metal. This is rare. T600s are made of simpler metals, which ammo can punch through. Most guns are shown as ineffective though.&lt;br /&gt;
:I prefer real guns though and i think i read in some terminator books how the T-600 are made of normal metal which normal rifle rounds and 45 ACP can punch through. I don't know much about stopping power of ammo against metal so i can't say if thats realistic or not.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the original Terminator, Kyle Reese remarks about the T-800: &amp;quot;Underneath, it's a hyper-alloy combat chassis - micro processor-controlled, fully armored. Very tough....[t]he 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy.&amp;quot;  So, assuming the non-T-800 models are made of the original material, their vulnerability is plausible.-[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]]  14:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The T-600 aren't made of hardened alloys in order to keep weight down. Some small arms fire is absolutely useless against T-600's (We watched Connor empty a mag's worth of .45's at the T-600 point blank with no effect. But some of the larger caliber rounds could puncture various parts, like thinner areas of the skull or unprotected hydraulic or electrical lines. The T-800's utilize a lightweight &amp;quot;Hyper-Alloy&amp;quot; of unknown composition meaning that large caliber armor piercing rounds, or anti material rounds would be the most effective... aside from crew served weapons or high explosives. [[User:Archer|Archer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Connor's rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don't think it's a 416. Take a closer look at that promotional still. The rifle has flip-up sights that the 416 doesn't have. Unless there were a modification added, but I think it's just a regular M4 with a full rail on top. &lt;br /&gt;
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:i agree look at the barrel lug, that screams M4.&lt;br /&gt;
and because somebody is gonna come around bitching heres some proof. look at the barrels.&lt;br /&gt;
:H&amp;amp;K 416 http://world.guns.ru/assault/as75-e.htm&lt;br /&gt;
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I could be wrong, but when I was looking at the .PNG, i saw what looked to be part of an H&amp;amp;K Safety/Fire Selector. I don't ever recall seeing that type of fire selector on an M4A1, and i don't think it was a piece of debris either, as what I saw was a white rectangle aligned with the reciever&lt;br /&gt;
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:Its definitely an HK416. The selector switch is painted white where it should be. You can also see the gas block is correct for an HK416 even though the flashlight is partially in the way. Seems like too much work for it to be simply a custom m4.&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be a barrett m468&lt;br /&gt;
:First off, why the hell does everyone start thinking a &amp;quot;cool&amp;quot; looking rifle is a Barrett REC7 all the time? I've seen plenty of that here. I have yet to see a movie or TV series that shows Barrett REC7 outside of Future Weapons. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And yes it is a 416, I took a closer look at the selector switch. I guess they gave the one used by Christian Bale, a longer barrel and swapped out the sights for those we see. Looking closer, the rails fit the kind H&amp;amp;K uses for the 416. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, it's the same 416 upper reciever for all the H&amp;amp;K 416s. It was proposed that to cut down cost for the military to adopting the 416, they just buy the upper reciever, which can easily slap onto any M4. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Another Reason it cannot be an M468 is that it is lacking the M468's signature SIR handguard. Without it the gun is again put into question whether it is really an HK416 instead of the M468.&lt;br /&gt;
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Jeez, this is messy, someone cut and paste all this into &amp;quot;discussion&amp;quot;, I'm sure when people open this page they don't want to just see some big argument cluttering up the page - [[User:AdAstra2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Done. But it's not like cutting and pasting arguments into the Discussion section is something you couldn't have done. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Just lazy and sometimes, people don't look in the discussion section [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I did not do so since as I was not participating in the discussion over whether it was a M4A1 or a HK416 I did not think it would be appropriate for me to be the one to do so. [[User:AdAstra2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Note the white writing on the breech, under his left hand...confirming it being an H&amp;amp;K 416 (The Winchester)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Definitely a 416, but looked like it had the HK rear sight replaced with an ARMS one. I just got back from seeing the movie. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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Quick update, it is using YHM flip up iron sights. It is a 416, as noted by the rail system, special upper receiver, and special lower receiver. Please update the info to include that it uses YHM BUIS, as I had a hell of a time tracking it down!&lt;br /&gt;
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== Anachronism? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Perhaps this might be a bit of a nit-pick, but since Terminator Salvation assumes that Judgment Day takes place in 2004 (after the events of Terminator 3), wouldn't the presence of the Magpul Masada (first displayed in 2007) be an anachronism? [[User:Markit|Markit]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Good point, Markit. I actually think that its more like a CQBR or M933, because one of the pictures shows [[Common]] with a M4-style weapon. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm going to see this tonight. I'll see what I can pick out on it. But, at first glance from the screencap, the visual profile (mainly in the receiver and fore grip area) looks like a Masada rather than an AR variant. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, definitely a Masada from what little of it I saw. Unless they stuck a Masada stock on an AR, but somehow I find that unlikely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
:http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Masadasalvation.jpg --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 07:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
They never specifically state Judgment Day occurs in 2004, and the fact McG does not like T3 at all. There are a few things that crossed over from T3 (like The T-1 model seen in the beginning of the directors cut and the &amp;quot;SKYNET central&amp;quot; scenes) But McG has been stating his plans to have another foray into a Pre-Judgment Day world (which he stated seeing Connor running around in 2011) [[user:Archer|Archer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== M26 12 Gauge MASS stand alone ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I get that John Conner removes this shotgun attachment from his M4, but how was he able to pull the trigger back without a proper grip? It seemed kinda awkward to hold and more so to pull the trigger and fire it without some form of pistol grip. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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how can a shot guns damage a Terminator?&lt;br /&gt;
:''It's been accepted throughout the series that while shotguns won't necessarily damage a Terminator, they'll slow or halt it's progress temporarily.  In [[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]], the shotgun wasso it like hitting one with a  incredibly effective against the T1000 on numerous occasions.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I forget about that, I need to watch the movies again    Rex095&lt;br /&gt;
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How and when does connor get the MASS off the M4, and where does the M4 go? He sprays Arnie with the burst then next time we see the him he's just got the MASS. Also did anyone notice Connor empties the Mk 23 into Arnies face at point blank range yet when moments later he shoots the pipe there is magically a round left in the pistol? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 05:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Movie ==&lt;br /&gt;
I watched this movie in the theather yesterday. I fucking loved every minute of it. Can i screencap this movie when it comes out? Please? Please?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gun on top of tow truck ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a machine gun mounted on top of the tow truck (the first time we see the moto terminators in the car chase scene).  It looks like an M249 or M240.  Anyone else? - Gunkatas&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like an m60 to mee.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Uzi. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16s/M4s ==&lt;br /&gt;
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One severael resistance members that get off the choppers at the begining have Either M16s, or M4s, and at least some of them have underbarrel M203s. In addition at least one resistance member at John Conner's base has and M16 A4 with a 203 uncer a barrel, and what I belive to be an M68 red dot sight.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Connor's gun rack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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on the gun rack in connor's room i saw 2 hk ump's, g36k, g36c all with c-more sights&lt;br /&gt;
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== perfect info ==&lt;br /&gt;
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perfect week week i find your blog to google cool&lt;br /&gt;
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:I smell a failed spambot...--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's SKYNET!! It's gaining awareness, run!!!!!--[[Special:Contributions/97.240.30.172|97.240.30.172]] 19:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== unknown pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:What jungle? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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He's referring to the &amp;quot;You are the resistance&amp;quot; broadcasts, and  is correct. From what I could tell on the DVD it looked more like some shorty M16 then an actual M4. Hard to make out much more.&lt;br /&gt;
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== FS2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How is it an FS2000?[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 31 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I dont think that revolver is a sp101 because the barrel looks to long and the grip seems to big as well...more likely a GP100 or something of that effect.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or did John Connor only fire 5 or 6 rounds the first time he uses his Mark 23 before it emptied?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;== Hoot's &amp;quot;M4&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This probably isn't very important, but... ==&lt;br /&gt;
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapon used by delta force  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15&lt;br /&gt;
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: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4&lt;br /&gt;
 :How is the stock &amp;quot;wrong&amp;quot;? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?&lt;br /&gt;
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.&lt;br /&gt;
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, &amp;quot;They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip.&amp;quot; Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that &amp;quot;IT'S A MOVIE&amp;quot;.-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Your point about &amp;quot;It's a movie&amp;quot; is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the &amp;quot;It's a movie&amp;quot; logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace &amp;quot;Actor&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;pick a gun&amp;quot;. Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mistake? ==&lt;br /&gt;
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later.  Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon.  --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another &amp;quot;M4gery&amp;quot;. Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.&lt;br /&gt;
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use&lt;br /&gt;
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mike Durant's Book ==&lt;br /&gt;
In Mike Durant's book &amp;quot;The Night Stalkers&amp;quot; he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the &amp;quot;Mog&amp;quot;. I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a &amp;quot;german piece of crap&amp;quot; for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.&lt;br /&gt;
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms.  Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their &amp;quot;customers.&amp;quot; Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them). &lt;br /&gt;
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just stared reading Durant's &amp;quot;In the Company of Heroes&amp;quot; before he called it a &amp;quot;German piece of crap&amp;quot;, he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a &amp;quot;High-Tech rifle&amp;quot; it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Hand ==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&amp;amp;Wshooter)&lt;br /&gt;
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim &amp;quot;Griz&amp;quot; Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.&lt;br /&gt;
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Flashlight Attachment Help==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire.  I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater.  These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm.  I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==M4 in 1994?==&lt;br /&gt;
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he &lt;br /&gt;
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The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them.  There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.&lt;br /&gt;
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA&lt;br /&gt;
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''&lt;br /&gt;
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::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the &amp;quot;M4&amp;quot;.  The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested.  Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use.  Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS.  I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year.  These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world.  All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?&lt;br /&gt;
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)&lt;br /&gt;
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Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says &amp;quot;Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck.&amp;quot; just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.&lt;br /&gt;
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All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon.   &amp;quot;Wex&amp;quot; is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering &amp;quot;Fuckin' Delta...&amp;quot;--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a &amp;quot;Masterkey&amp;quot; configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them?  I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings.   They're better for room clearing.  Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v&lt;br /&gt;
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does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile?  It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open.  That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm.  Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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When I put the photos on the page, before to name him &amp;quot;delta actor&amp;quot;, I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the &amp;quot;Mogadishu Mile&amp;quot;. It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that.  Fun fact.  Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us.  The solution?  Flight gloves.  They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you.  I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work.  I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you &amp;quot;operators&amp;quot;?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued &amp;quot;green tip&amp;quot; rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a &amp;quot;weapon switch to show he is an elite operator&amp;quot; shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are other reasons as well.  It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have.  It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much.  As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue.  When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue.  There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.&lt;br /&gt;
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument.  I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that).  But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new &amp;quot;expanding&amp;quot; round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official &amp;quot;military force&amp;quot; that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there.  A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers.  As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document.  It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others.  Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc...  Gunner313&lt;br /&gt;
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agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color &amp;quot;chocolate chip&amp;quot; camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color &amp;quot;coffee stain&amp;quot; pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990's and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCU's with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.&lt;br /&gt;
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are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:&lt;br /&gt;
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/&lt;br /&gt;
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/&lt;br /&gt;
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&amp;amp;W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Doc Schmid ==&lt;br /&gt;
In the movie PFC Kurt &amp;quot;Doc&amp;quot; Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Remington_Mark_III_Flare_Pistol&amp;diff=363056</id>
		<title>Remington Mark III Flare Pistol</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The Remington Mark III Flare Pistol was manufactured between 1915 and 1918 with a total of 24,500 pistol made. It is made out of brass and steel with mahogany grips. The Remington Mark III Flare Pistol is capable of firing 10ga flares and shot shells.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Remington Mark III Signal Pistol.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Remington Mark III Flare Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Specifications==&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Type:''' flaregun&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Caliber:''' 10 gauge&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Capacity:''' 1 shot&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Fire Modes:''' Single shot&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The Remington Mark III Flare Pistol appears in the following movies, TV shows, and video games:'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Film==&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Alien vs. Predator]]'' (2004)&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Tremors 4: The Legend Begins]]''   (2004)&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Mobsters]]'' (1990)&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[A Bullet For Joey]]''  (1955)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Flare Gun]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
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		<title>Predators (2010)</title>
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		<updated>2010-12-05T15:50:52Z</updated>

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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Predators-Teaser.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Predators'' (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''''Predators''''' is the latest installment in the ''Predator'' movie franchise that began with 1987's ''[[Predator]]'' and continued with 1990's ''[[Predator 2]]''.  The 2010 sequel was produced by [[Robert Rodriguez]] and stars [[Adrien Brody]] as Royce, a mercenary who finds himself stranded on a strange planet along with seven other human 'predators'.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''See the [[Talk:Predators (2010)|Discussion]] section for behind the scenes images from the film.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Predators'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==AA-12==&lt;br /&gt;
Royce ([[Adrien Brody]]) carries an [[AA-12]] automatic 12 Gauge shotgun throughout the movie, it is fitted with a drum magazine loaded with Frag-12 rounds, and fitted with a Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip. The custom camo paint appears to be similar to the US Army's pixelized UCP pattern. It also could be more closely related to the current USMC MARPAT woodland pattern.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MPS Auto Assault-12, 12 Gauge ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PreadatorsAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Adrien Brody]] as Royce with his AA-12 in a promotional image]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds004.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 06.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A more detailed shot that features the Surefire M900 weaponlight.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators12a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|''This planet is a game preserve . . . and we're the game.'' Royce ([[Adrien Brody]]) with his AA-12 Shotgun as Stans ([[Walton Goggins]]) rests against a tree.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 405.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M134 Hand held Minigun==&lt;br /&gt;
Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]), a member of the Spetsnaz Alpha Group carries a [[GE M134 minigun#Hand-Held M134 Minigun|hand-held M134 Minigun]] substituting for a [[GShG-7.62 minigun|GShG-7.62]], or a Slostin machine gun that is described in the script, reminiscent of the gun used by [[Jesse Ventura]] in the [[Predator|original film]]. When Nikolai first uses the Minigun a stoppage occurs. Nikolai is forced to fix the jam and reload the weapon. Nikolai later uses the Minigun to slay two Predator hounds and to lay down suppressing fire on Predators before the gun is destroyed in battle by a well aimed shot from a Predator Plasmacaster.  A lot of the firing scenes were shot with a prop weapon with a CG muzzle flash added. When the weapon is first introduced a real gun is used for some closeups while Nikolai is firing it.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Minigun 2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Handheld M134 Minigun with chainsaw grip (Airsoft Replica).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators41.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Promotional image of [[Oleg Taktarov]] as Nikolai with an M134 Hand held Minigun prop. Note that the prop is missing the central shaft on the barrel clamp that normally runs through the four discs.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators-m134.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A publicity still of Nikolai and the prop M134 minigun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds002.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) with his GE M134 Minigun prop.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 04.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the minigun firing.  In full motion, the barrels are not seen rotating.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 05.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|The minigun firing at Royce.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 402.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blaser R93 LRS2==&lt;br /&gt;
Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]), an IDF sniper, carries a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle]] fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG1 described in the script).  In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale.  She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum.  The rifle is usually  outfitted with either a Parker Hale or Harris Bipod.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AliceBragaIsabelleBlaserl93lrs1.jpg#file|thumb|none|300px|Alice Braga as Isabelle in a production still with her Blazer L93 LRS2 fitted with an elcan digital Hunter Scope.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds003.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle with her Blaser R93 sniper rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 21.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PredatorsBlaserAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce and Isabelle face back to back with their weapons.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==AKMS==&lt;br /&gt;
Mombasa ([[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]]) , a member of an RUF death squad, carries an [[AKMS]] rifle with the stock folded up throughout the movie, he once uses it to save Stans from an attacking Predator Hound when they first encounter them. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMS, stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators-akms.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mombasa ([[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]]) aims his AKMS in a publicity still.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 416.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Mombasa opens fire with the AKMS on a Predator hound.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 407.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Mombasa with the AKMS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 16.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K==&lt;br /&gt;
Cuchillo ([[Danny Trejo]]), a Mexican Drug Cartel enforcer, is seen with two [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K]]'s fitted with braided leather covers on the foregrips strapped to his back, in a manner similar to [[Chuck Norris]]' [[Uzi#Mini Uzi|Mini Uzi]] harness in ''[[Invasion U.S.A. (1985)|Invasion U.S.A.]]''.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PredatorsMP5K.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Cuchillo ([[Danny Trejo]]) with his MP5K's in a promotional image. Note the custom covers on the foregrips and the shoulder rigs like Alice's from ''[[Resident Evil: Apocalypse]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Preds004.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 01.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 406.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Cuchillo prepares to fire his MP5K's at the Predator hounds.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK45 w' Compensator ==&lt;br /&gt;
The main sidearm of Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]). She draws it to face a Predator Hound.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HH45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK45 - .45 ACP]] &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 28.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) draws her Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK45 to save herself from a painful death via Predator Hound.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Custom Beretta 92FS Inox==&lt;br /&gt;
A custom [[Beretta_92_pistol_series#Beretta_92FS_Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] with custom grips is carried by Hanzo ([[Louis Changchien]]).  The compensator was custom built by armorer Steve Karnes (AKA [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]).The Yakuza assassin uses it until he acquires a katana from Noland's weapon cache.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators33.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Promotional image of [[Louis Changchien]] as Hanzo with his custom Beretta.]] &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 30.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanzo ([[Louis Changchien]]) draws his Beretta, showing good trigger discipline.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 31.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the custom grips.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanzo ([[Louis Changchien]]) aims his Beretta.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanzo fires his Beretta, eyes open, showing the odd muzzle flash produced by the compensator.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M1911A1==&lt;br /&gt;
When the group stumble upon a dead American soldier, he is grasping an empty [[M1911A1]] with the slide locked back.  Mombasa is later seen pulling it.  When his MP5K's are empty, Cuchillo is seen pulling an engraved gold plated M1911A1.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 -.45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators43g.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scene image showing a closeup of the M1911A1. (For the entire image, see the [[Talk:Predators (2010)|Discussion]] section.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 24.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 404.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 03.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Tokarev TT-33==&lt;br /&gt;
After his Minigun is destroyed by one of the Predators, Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) is seen using a [[Tokarev TT-33]] he was carrying. He fires it at a Predator in Noland's hideout when he goes back to save Edwin. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 412.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 413.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 414.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mk 2 hand grenade==&lt;br /&gt;
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Several [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s are seen among the weapons in Noland's ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) arsenal. Royce ([[Adrien Brody]]) later strings several of them together in a trap for the 'Berserker' Predator.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A table in Noland's lair with assorted weapons on it including Mk 2 grenades and a flare gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M18A1 Claymore==&lt;br /&gt;
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When Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) sees Noland's weapons cache, he eyes a [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mine on the table. Nikolai apparently grabbed the Claymore mine offscreen, because he is seen using it prominently later.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 25.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Noland's weapons cache==&lt;br /&gt;
When the group are taken to Noland's cave, they see he's collected a mixture of weapons, some human and some alien. There's also a grenade launcher of some sort, used to fire a flare.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators06a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Noland ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) shows up with an alien rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A table with assorted weapons on it.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pred2010 408.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Hanzo finds the Katana, a Mossberg-type shotgun is seen in the background.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Special Trivia==&lt;br /&gt;
===Sneak Peak at the new Predators===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators18a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) gets a face to face meeting with one of the new Super Predators, 'Tracker'. Note that Nikolai's hands aren't empty.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Predators17a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A sneak peak of the 'Falconer' Predator, and the Predator Hound on the Predator &amp;quot;Game&amp;quot; preserve planet.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Predator series'''&lt;br /&gt;
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*''[[Predator]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Predator 2]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Predators (2010)]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Alien vs. Predator]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Movie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Action Movie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Science-Fiction]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Predator]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
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		<title>Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2</title>
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		<updated>2010-12-05T02:20:29Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: /* Behold, a really, really silly bundle: */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Note: This talk page is for discussion related to the '''article'''. Do not use it to argue about how H&amp;amp;K pwnz Colt, it is safe to say nobody cares.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;TO ARCHIVE&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Computer thingy==&lt;br /&gt;
I know not the right place to ask but I'm going mad whats the thing your characters wears around their arms like a gps module or something I have seen it in documentaries some soldier even had a similar one mounted on a G36 stock so its not fictional anyone know whats its called?&lt;br /&gt;
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Answer: its a garmin gps unit. https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=257&amp;amp;ra=true#&lt;br /&gt;
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==KNIFE==&lt;br /&gt;
 http://www.coldsteel.com/gitanto.html this is Soaps Knife in the end.&lt;br /&gt;
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Well I believe the knife that Soap used at the end is the &amp;quot;Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed&amp;quot;, as this knife has been reported to be quite recently issued to the Armed Forces.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is a picture of the knife.[[Image:http://www.heinnie.com/uploads/images_products_large/3158.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Your picture doesn't work. Beyond that, this game has nothing to do with what is actually issued to armed forces(Russians with the AUG? Brazilians with the F2000?) so that's not really evidence tbh... [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know the main knife that's used in-game? You know, the one used for the regular knifing animation, for the tac-knife, and for the throwing knife? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 22:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's a blackhawk tatang. &lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.blackhawk.com/Catalog/DisplayImage.aspx?ImgURL=http://www.blackhawk.com:80//CatalogImages/18-4-IMG1_L.jpeg&amp;amp;Title=Tatang&lt;br /&gt;
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==USP==&lt;br /&gt;
Wouldn't the USP be a USP teactical. The tacticals have threaded barrels as present on the in game USPs. Or are they some kind of hybrid because they don't use the tactical sights?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The USP in game is a normal USP .45, the only difference is the threaded barrel. The Tactical has a bunch of other differences including the sights. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's my point. Since it has both the characteristics of a tactical and a normal USP would it be a hybrid?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe, let's call it a USP .45 Custom then. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that I take a closer look at it, the slide has sights that look more like the HK45 than the USP. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You could put different sights on the USP [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes but this USP has a threaded barrel so... Aw crap. If we could see the slide we could just say it was a tactical or a USP but it's just some crazy ass combo USP.&lt;br /&gt;
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Nvm I just popped in the game. On the side it said USP without tactical so it is a USP with a threaded barrel.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not that hard to thread a barrel to accept a supressor... [[User:That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck|That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck]] 15:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's called a Heckler and Koch USPSD45, just like the MP5SD's, and there is also a USPSD9.&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually it should be called a  Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Tactical because it can accept a suppressor and then depending on caliber if it's 9mm, .40 S&amp;amp;W or .45. It's not officially called USPSD45 like the MP5SD. I like to see where did you read that calls it that. Never trust game names of a gun as fact [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Damn straight, nobody calls it a &amp;quot;USPSD&amp;quot;. To the anon post above, the SD series of MP5s have an integral suppressor, not a detachable one like the USP does. Even with the MP5, if it has an attached suppressor(like the USP), and not an integral one, it's not called an MP5SD. Likewise, a USP with an attached suppressor is not called a USPSD. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 09:00, 30 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is an USP variant called the USP9 SD, at least according to HKPRO.com, which is just an USP9 with threaded barrel and taller sights. But USPSD45? No such thing. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 09:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Archive?==&lt;br /&gt;
I think it's getting to be time to archive this talk page and start fresh, considering it's 166 kb long? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==FAMAS ironsights==&lt;br /&gt;
I have identified the ironsights used on the FAMAS in-game. They are folding rail-mounted BUIS from Midwest Industries. Interestingly, they are also the standard sights that come with the RobArms XCR (which I really wish was in more games).&lt;br /&gt;
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They put those sights there because the FAMAS' original notch and post sights, IMO, suck, and because it gives them a rail to mount the other sights on to. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks more like a Troy sight. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 06:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==ACR==&lt;br /&gt;
Since it's the military version in-game, shouldn't it be referred to as the '''Remington''' ACR? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh, wait, it is. Never Mind. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Its being made by bushmaster. Why the remington logo?&lt;br /&gt;
:Bushmaster is making the semi-auto only civilian version, Remington is making the selective-fire military/LE version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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really? i thought remington bought the ACR from them completely [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 03:20, 20 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Interesting news. The ACR has now been officially released and it the ACR in MW2 is a fake combination of parts. The ACR Basic Configuration has the original handguard from the Magpul Masada, but a different skeleton stock similar to the Magpul MOE or CTR stocks. The ACR Enhanced Configuration has the new squared-off CR handguard with rails and the more iconic ACR stock. The ACR in-game, however, has the ACR Basic handguard (don't be fooled by the fact that there are rails, it's just the original Masada handguard with rails attached) and the ACR Enhanced stock. I'd call it a Magpul Masada, seeing as the trademarks and such aren't discernible as anything real. --[[User:Strategos|Strategos]] 19:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Seeing as the in-game model is taken directly from the ACR featured on FutureWeapons, which was the Magpul version, that makes sense. -CC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Taped Mags==&lt;br /&gt;
I noticed that several of the assualt rifles have tape wrapped around the magazines, is this for a specific reason or just a choice made by the makers? [[User:Death|Death]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Lots of soldiers in the army tape the ends of their mags to distinguish theirs from a buddies, or the mags that they actually bought if they feel their issued ones were overused or sub par. Some also put grip tape so sweaty hands don't slip when pulling them from their pouches.  I'm sure game designers saw this and included it. [[User:Winglebest]]&lt;br /&gt;
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i thought that so whether you put the mag in bottom up or not, you'd know which end to put into the magazine well.&lt;br /&gt;
:anyone who's been properly trained with firearms wouldn't do that. Full magazines always go into the pouch with the brass facing down.&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually when i use Mag Pouches i go brass up to make sure theirs no debris in the Mag.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Weapon on newspaper==&lt;br /&gt;
Hey for anyone who has played the game,do you think the rifle from the newspaper they showed when talking about Makarov should be included?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I personally wouldn't have any issue with it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Alrigh good, maybe someone will post a picture up on the internet andwe could add that&lt;br /&gt;
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post at 9 January 2010 --[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 14:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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this is Daewoo K2 &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Daewoo-K2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Daewoo K2 Assault rifle - 5.56mm]] &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mw2k2.png|thumb|none|500px|Daewoo K2 Assault rifle - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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but where have IMI Galil ?&lt;br /&gt;
the left Ultra-nationalist with a Galil ?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Suggestions==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the page needs the F2000 and TAR-21 with their special sights. Also, if anyone is looking for a screen of the M14 EBR with nothing attached, there's one in the spec ops mission where you breach the gulag wall. Oh, and we need the GP-25 included. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 19:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The TAR-21 on the page ''already'' has a MARS sight on it. And the F2000 on the page is the same version used in the game. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::There are no in-game screens of the MARS sight and the F2000's standard scope is in the game as the RDS in multiplayer, or &amp;quot;scoped&amp;quot; in singleplayer.&lt;br /&gt;
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No one ever went through with this? --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==winchester 1887 loading animation==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it supposed to load through reciever like that?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sort of. The animation shows the rounds being placed in the upper tube (the barrel) rather than the lower tube (the magazine). [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is wierd, but 1887's do load that way.&lt;br /&gt;
When you pull the cocking lever down the top of the breech kind of rolls back and opens. &lt;br /&gt;
The shells slip into the breech, past the chamber and down into the tube magazine below the barrel.   &lt;br /&gt;
They're slow and a little clumsy to reload IRL. You have to push the shell down into the magazine tube past the stop with your thumb.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::This one looks like the cowboy action shooter style thats made to quickly load 2 shots, usually custom jobs but I believe Legacy Arms -&amp;gt; Puma Arms is currently selling one.  Since in cowboy action shooting you can only have a maximum of 2 rounds in a shotgun.  [[Special:Contributions/24.177.167.87|24.177.167.87]]Pawnstar&lt;br /&gt;
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== Price's 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Actually its in the game it can be picked up and used in the museum, don't know about MP though.&lt;br /&gt;
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*It's not featured in MP, it's exclusive to the single player level Museum, though I have heard you can find it during an early mission, much in the same way as to how the desert eagle in MW was found on Crew Expendable (the only one in the entire SP campaign btw). Apparently on one of the loading screens, it details the weapon as a GI 1911 (unsure of the manufactuer) compared to what it was in Modern Warfare, a Springfield Armoury 1911 Professional model. [[Draco122|Draco122]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On one of the loading scenes I think it said it was a colt.&lt;br /&gt;
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The one used by price is a springer pro, colt's just a more recognizable name to put in loading screens.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, most definitely NOT a Colt. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not arguing about the policies of IMFDB, or what the 1911 is listed as, but it is possible that the 1911 in-game is a Colt. Just look at &amp;quot;The Punisher (2004)&amp;quot; page and take a good look at his custom pistols. They started out as standard Colt 1911's and ended up like that with all the upgrades put on it. Give me a standard Colt and enough money and I can promise you I'll make it look just like the 1911 in game. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 06:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And the logic in making a Colt look exactly like a Springer Pro is...? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::To validate my argument. Or if you find yourself the owner of a standard Colt 1911 and wish to make it look and function better without buying a new gun. The military was thinking along the same lines with the MEU SOC. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 12:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, that's all irrelevant anyway. IMFDB policy is to identify guns by what they LOOK like, not what they can be customized to look like. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Wasn't the policy to identify guns by what you actually ''are'', not just what they look like? If there was a M4 with an SIR system that looks like an HK416, would I list it as an HK416? --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 06:47, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The SIR system doesn't make the M4 LOOK like a 416, so why label as a 416? I can never understand people that can't seem to tell the difference between an M4 with rails and a 416. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:38, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M93R ==&lt;br /&gt;
There is a confirmation of the M93R machine pistol to be unlocked in MW2 online as confirmed in this video at the bottom of this page&lt;br /&gt;
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http://modernwarfare247.com/news/multiplayer-unlocks - Madax XX&lt;br /&gt;
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CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO ADD PICTURES ONTO A PAGE ?????????????&lt;br /&gt;
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Somebody change the part where it says &amp;quot;Beretta 92FS converted to burst-fire,&amp;quot; it's obviously a Beretta M93R are and not a 92FS. --[[User:Frostbite249|Frostbite249]] 13:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)-&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's a 92. The weapon in game has the safety mounted on the slide, like the 92, whereas the 93 has it mounted on the frame. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 14:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure that's fine and all, but at least clear it up so there's no misunderstandings - I mean it says &amp;quot;converted to ''full auto''&amp;quot; when in-game, it's only 3 round burst. --[[User:Frostbite249|Frostbite249]] 13:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Then maybe &amp;quot;converted to ''selective fire''&amp;quot; is a bit better wording? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You guys know that Beretta only made a couple hundred of the M93Rs. [[user:SargeOverkill]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Well why pick a rare gun? why not pick something more common?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Who saw this video, 92, FS or SB? ==&lt;br /&gt;
The video with the Beretta M9, Ive not seen, Is it a 92 FS or SB?, i mean this isn't my site but still putting M9 just make's it as noobs are running the place, lol sorry, so who has the link to the video?&lt;br /&gt;
*It is impossible to understand it from video. The only place this pistol appears is shown on the screenshot, the trigger guard is not seen, so i decided to discribe it as military modification, M9. I don't think, that it is a big problem for you to write what is this pistol realy is, whan we will have a better view.&lt;br /&gt;
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Didn't mean to offended you, it's just most people come to this site to get correct info on weapons, but i suppose putting M9 isn't that bad considering that its the correct name, i just feel its lack of info.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its the 92SB again, you can tell on its Create-A-Class picture&lt;br /&gt;
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== Airsoft ==&lt;br /&gt;
I like airsoft as much as the next guy, but we already have pictures of ''real'' M4A1s and MP5Ks on the site, so no need to replace them with pics of airsoft replicas. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, but the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; M4A1s and MP5Ks in the game don't look like those pictures; for the sake of identification, wouldn't it just be simpler to use images that at least look like the weapons from the game, whether they're real or not? Besides, there are plenty of other pages that use airsoft images, so why should this one be an exception?&lt;br /&gt;
:Biggest part of airsoft pictures used on this site are of guns we don't have pictures of. As you can see on the [[M16 rifle series|M16]] and [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5|MP5]] pages, we have plenty of pictures of the real things, so no need to add airsoft replicas to the page instead. Whether or not they're equipped with a specific rail system or not is moot, since the rail systems in question are pictured beneath the weapons and the addition of them ''on'' the weapons doesn't change anything. An M4 is still an M4 and an MP5K is still an MP5K. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There has always been guns we see in movies that have been customized and don't look like the stock photos of the gun unmodded. It's best to have a picture of the real thing than a fake that LOOKS like the one used in the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Then shouldn't all the other airsoft pictures (such as the Custom 1911 seen on the MGS4 page and the Cutlass on the Black Lagoon page, and even the Springfield Armory M1911 on CoD4's and MW2's page) be replaced with stock pictures? If you're gonna insist on this, you might as well go all the way.&lt;br /&gt;
::As I've already pointed out, '''biggest part of airsoft pictures used on this site are of guns we don't have pictures of'''. So those images are there '''because we don't have pics of the real things'''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, I'm in favor of pictures of the weapons modded or detailed as they are seen in the movie or game.  Chances are the link takes you to the base page for them anyway, so you can see a picture of the real deal. Someone might be looking for a picture of the gun that is identical to how it is in the film or game.  Whether it's airsoft or not to me seems moot as long as it is the weapon in question.  Of course, no orange tips, please. -- ZG&lt;br /&gt;
:The problem I have with all Airsoft guns is that they all scream &amp;quot;FAKE!&amp;quot; to those of us who spend alot of time around the real thing. Now as placeholders until we get a real weapon image I don't mind as it's a placeholder. Useing an airsoft gun insted of a real firearm that we have an image of that I just don't like. We do get the occational screem used weapon here and even when those have been beat to hell they are much better than the most realistic airsoft gun.--[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:48, 29 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Replaced the airsoft M4A1 with the pic of a real one yet again. It doesn't matter whether it looks exactly like it does in-game or not. An M4A1 is an M4A1, regardless of what it looks like. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But if you could find a picture of what it looks like exactly in the game, wouldn't you use it? -- ZG&lt;br /&gt;
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:The inclusion of a few tacticool accessories is not enough of a reason to waste server space on even more photos of a weapon we already have a number of photos of. For the third time, an M4A1 is an M4A1 regardless of what kind of rail system and whatnot is on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I (not that it matters) am perfectly fine with pictures of the real deal and I love the effort that's gone into posting such great screenshots.  I just hope the trend keeps with noting what particular accessories are present.  I'm one of those douchebags that sees guns in the movies and thinks &amp;quot;Golly!  I want mine to look just like that!&amp;quot;  In any case, I love the site and it hasn't let me down yet. -- ZG&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nothing at all wrong with noting what kind of accessories are used and by no means does it make you (or anyone else) a douchebag. I mean, flashlights, IR and visible lasers, optics... all that stuff is awesome. I just think it's unnecessary (as well as a waste of server space) to have multiple pics of one weapon customized in multiple different ways each for a few specific pages when one pic of the weapon in its standard configuration can be used on all pages, with minor differences noted in the descriptory paragraph. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree.  I'm all for the efficient use of resources and I come here for info and screenshots anyway.  I wasn't necessarily against airsoft pictures but I do see it a different way now.  In the spirit of full disclosure, however, I really am quite a douchebag. -- ZG&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lol XD Well, they ''do'' say honesty is golden... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Planned Weapons==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did the informatio for most of these planned weapons come from??&lt;br /&gt;
:No idea, and no one has posted any sources, and there's no way to edit it now. Maybe if another multiplayer video shows up, someone with some authority will notice them and can remove them. I mean, really, the XM8? COD4 never had it and that came out when it was still showing up in every &amp;quot;realistic&amp;quot; FPS.--[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::IMHO, the XM8 is way overused in video games today. I'm glad IW shied away from it in favor of weapons like the ACR/Masada, that actually got beyond ''prototype'' stage. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
the acr isnt past prototype stage&lt;br /&gt;
:::No, it just isn't widely available yet, but it ''is'' beyond prototype stage. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The ACR is actually being produced by both Bushmaster and Remington. It's already being marketed and available to purchase [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The ACR is not yet available for purchase (if it was, I'd already own one), Cerberus (the supergroup that owns both Remington and Bushmaster) is ramping up production on the rifles. The design is, however, complete, and one of the weapons was given away to a civilian recently as part of a raffle. It is expected to compete in an upcoming US Army rifle test.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Winchester 1887==&lt;br /&gt;
Is the Winchester 1887 actually confirmed for the game? If it is, you can pretty much create a T2 class with that shotgun, the thumper, juggernaut, stopping power and something else that suits Arnie:P - Madax XXI 12:28&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yup, it's in there. I'm totally gonna have a Terminator 2 online kit. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's definetely confirmed now, and with the big cocking loop and sawnoff stock and barrel too, only a hint of Terminator 2 fanboyism from IW there.... Can't wait to try it though. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I found it in campaign a minute ago and it really sucks-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 01:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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^^^I think it's pretty good, I'm stoked to get it online.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Same here, I heard it has fairly good range and damaged when stacked up to the other shotguns, it just has a slower ROF, due to the lever action. you can dual wield them though, which says something. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's one of the only shotguns with the furthest range out of the lot in MP, this and steady aim and it's a monster in it's own. Like you said M14, it has a low ROF and the second smallest capacity next to the ranger [[Draco122|Draco122]] 21:06, 26 November 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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::Actually it doesn't. I picked an 1887 up off a dead guy today, and was amazed. first thing is, that it has stunning range. Easily the best, can hit damn close to 50 feet. It holds 7 shots in MP as well, and you can dual wield them, cocking them T2 style. It's a beast of a shotgun, and I can't wait to unlock it for myself. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Isn't this weapon the Winchester 1897 shotgun, originally designed for trench warfare and used by the US military thru Vietnam (and plenty are still in use by civilians in the US).  In playing COD 5: World at War, I haven't found the shotguns to be particularly effective.  The Japanese NPCs are often so quick (esp in the higher difficulty level) that they are on you before you can chamber another round (esp in the section of the game where you have to destroy a howitzer with a 3 barreled 25mm AA gun and quickly take up a covered position to eliminate the Japanese counter-attack using a scoped Springfield).  Two Japanese soldiers immediately attack you.  I was killed more often using the shotgun than using the Type 100 or the .30 belt-fed machine gun--whose name just eluded me.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: It's not an 1897, it's an 1887, being lever-action not pump-action. That and it's styled after the Terminator 2 shotgun anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==M1014 Removal?==&lt;br /&gt;
Should we remove the section on the M1014 in this game? There hasnt been any confirmation of it appearing in game, aside from the misplaced icon.&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it has been confirmed now&lt;br /&gt;
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== Any Ideas On The .44 Magnum == &lt;br /&gt;
I think its either a Raging bull or a colt anaconda. both look quite simmlar but im thinkin it more a colt anaconda than a raging bull reason being that the the magnum in game look as if it has smaller vents were as the raging bull as quite thick vents. --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 22:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On the Call of Duty wikipedia website it said it was a colt anaconda&lt;br /&gt;
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Link plz? --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 22:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Found a video on youtube where they switch classes revealing a .44 magnum on 0:16 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xv37FiiOAk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xv37FiiOAk]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clean Up Page==&lt;br /&gt;
I cleaned up the main page, but i can change it back if any one want's. --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 21:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that FourZeroTwo has a gun on his back before getting knifed, that you missed. It appears to be a PP-2000, please correct me if I'm wrong&lt;br /&gt;
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You could be right, but Ive got a hunch it could be a MP7, which seems more likely. But from what we can see its hard to tell. (thx also :)&lt;br /&gt;
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No problem, I just love MW and MW2 and had to point that out, but I didnt know who to talk to about it. Great site, too:) I learned loads about guns, like the difference between a Beretta and a Taurus:) - Terry 00:06&lt;br /&gt;
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I was right about the PP-2000!:) - Terry 23:30&lt;br /&gt;
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I was like &amp;quot;Sure&amp;quot; when i saw your above post, then i look at the pic of the PP-2000 akimbo, and was like &amp;quot;FUCK&amp;quot; cool any way m8 :)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bullet Types ==&lt;br /&gt;
What is this about the Tavor being loaded with FMJ's? Is this supposed to mean that along with choosing weapon attachments, we also get to choose bullet types? - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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A bit too confusing now lol, I'm thinking it will just be a perk, because if im right fmj's give higher velocities, but i couldn't see how this would affect the game, in cod 4 all bullets moved at the same speeds?&lt;br /&gt;
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Where do you get the info that FMJ give higher velocities? just curious?&lt;br /&gt;
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What i understand is that FMJ are solid bullets and the only bullets &amp;quot;allowed&amp;quot; in warfare from the Hague Conventions.&lt;br /&gt;
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True, but but a &amp;quot;Black&amp;quot; operation such as this would hardly be concerned with the rules of &amp;quot;conventional warfare.&amp;quot; =P&lt;br /&gt;
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The Theory behind JHP (Jacketed Hollow Points) is that upon impact of the target the nose of the bullet mushrooms to a much larger size the then original diameter(caliber) of the bullet causing a larger wound channel and more &amp;quot;stopping power&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The downside to this is that since JHP expand during impact the force of the bullet is dispersed over a larger area on the target making these bullets less likely to pierce body armor, also some HP bullets give certain firearms trouble when cycling this ammo. my 1911 for instance... =)&lt;br /&gt;
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Your 1911's feeding of hollow point has to do with the type of 1911 usually. Different kinds of feeding ramps I'm told. My series 70 Gold cup has the same problem but my Springfield TRP feeds just fine.&lt;br /&gt;
FMJ's moving at Higher velocities has to do with air drag, hollow points would create more of it. As others have said hope this helps, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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But basically all bullets work well for their intended applications. its just that in this day and age there are so many options for a person to use its just matching the bullet to the task. Hunting, Target, Match, Self-defense, Low recoil or &amp;quot;Cowboy&amp;quot; Loads, Plinking. Its endless. -Furious Oyster (feel free to expand or remove if incorrect or unnecessary, just trying to help)&lt;br /&gt;
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well... I didn't exactly want a bullet discussion, i was just wondering how this would affect the game, like if infinity ward would make it horrible and make stuff like hollow points do something like 4 times damage but only go as far as a &amp;quot;Call of Duty Shotgun&amp;quot;. - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Where do you get the info that FMJ give higher velocities? just curious?&amp;quot;- I just read alot on firearms :P but i remember coming across it?&lt;br /&gt;
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As far as i know there is an international convention that bans the use of hollow point bullets and other expanding bullets for millitary purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That would be the Hague Convention. But from what I understand, it bans their use against ''state-employed combatants'' only, leaving them fair game for counter-terrorism ops and the like. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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FMJs could be like the perk &amp;quot;Deep Impact&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
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They are an attachment for the guns that gives them a little extra damage and better penetration through walls too.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Extended Magazines Attachments ==&lt;br /&gt;
Thought it was pretty cool, but will it be like a drum mag or something like bandolier, what ever it is i hope it applies to assault rifles.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Could be a dual mag clip, so you can reload faster. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 00:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Magazine dammit!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
He said a clip that holds two magazines together for a speedier reload - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
:::Huh. i never heard of that before. Good point, Mythekal.&lt;br /&gt;
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Lol its still a mag Mythekal!&lt;br /&gt;
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its usually just a metal or plastic part that latches to both mags allowing you to just pull out the used one move it to the left and reinsert the fresh mag... Some times its just a piece of tape. Google AR-15 mag couplers or something. -Furious Oyster (Sorry miss read it)&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew what a dual mag clip is, i was merely trying to explain it to who ever thought that M14Fan said &amp;quot;Clip&amp;quot; instead of Magazine. And here is a picture to avoid further confusion. -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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There better be an attachment like this for the AA-12, cause its gonna get really annoying reloading that lousy 8-shot magazine every five seconds after unloading on someone lol-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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Apparently the extended mags are exactly what you think. They take the standard magazines of any gun and just add like 10 more rounds to it. I don't know about the reload animation, but most likely it's the same. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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the extended mags look exactly the same and reload the same they've just got more rounds- red raindog&lt;br /&gt;
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==Barret .50== &lt;br /&gt;
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At the end of the Flag Runner video FourZeroTwo has a Barret M82. May not be, but it looks like one and sounds like one, it's a little blurry so i wasn't sure? -Final Tsurugi&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like a Barrett XM500 - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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How did i not notice that, actually might be a Barrett M99? - Final Tsurugi&lt;br /&gt;
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:Or it could be the M107, the updated M82. ][[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy] 01:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It wasnt the M99 because it was firing semi-automatically, and from the angle, the magazine was not visible, so i assume it was a bullpup - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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It is a Barret M82/M107, if you pause the video at the right moment you can see the magazine in front of the grip, i actually got excited to think we might have a bull-pup sniper in Modern Warfare 2 :P -Final Tsurugi&lt;br /&gt;
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Nope. Youre all wrong, I mean you got the .50BMG part right, but its actually an Accuracy International AS50. Come on guys I cant be the only one who noticed that-Kellers357&lt;br /&gt;
I'm almost positive that it is not an AI. It is just a M107 [[User:mythekal|mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Most definitely a Barret 82/M107. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is an M82A1, just like in COD4. M107's actually larger than the M82, but has less recoil because of its internal design. --[[User:Frostbite249|Frostbite249]] 13:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brazillian Militia? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalhão_de_Operações_Policiais_Especiais BOPE] or I am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually like that causal outfit the militia wear :)&lt;br /&gt;
::Me too. I never seen a Brazilian wear a 1980s Miami Vice style flower shirt, but i do like how they have militia wearing Brazilian football team shirts. Makes it more realistic. I like the flower shirts though. They are cheesy as hell. It fits the game. Also, Please sign your posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah Miami vice ftw :) --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 21:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Guns from the new teaser==&lt;br /&gt;
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP-10]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP-10]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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no, its an MP5K equipped with some sort of an RIS handguard to me-Kellers357&lt;br /&gt;
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looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
its a UMP with the foresight removed for the red dot-Kellers357&lt;br /&gt;
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The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.&lt;br /&gt;
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.&lt;br /&gt;
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns &amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns from the trailer ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]&lt;br /&gt;
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&amp;amp;Wshooter&lt;br /&gt;
:Could be a variant of the KTR-03S - an AK custom build [http://www.krebscustom.com/RawPhotos/6-28-04/KTR-03SFinal.jpg]. - MCain (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]])&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil.  The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]&lt;br /&gt;
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*A Kriss Super V?&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know who the guy with the KRISS is? Im calling him Brazilian Secret Service but I'm sure Im wrong. Help?-Kellers357&lt;br /&gt;
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941  since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.&lt;br /&gt;
:::''I concur.  It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots.  It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver.  On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy.  Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best.  This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.&lt;br /&gt;
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== The machine gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?&lt;br /&gt;
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well the M240B has been added just look at the new multiplayer trailer. IGN rewind theater confirms it too. could someone add it on the main article? -Mandaloin&lt;br /&gt;
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==New AK==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I said &amp;quot;NATO forces&amp;quot;--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.&lt;br /&gt;
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It's gotta be an AKM.&lt;br /&gt;
::Why the      it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.&lt;br /&gt;
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guys, I guess it's new railed AK-103 from Izhmash with M4ish buttstock and waffled mags. Check the link below for pics, note the same muzzle brake etc as in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[http://depositfiles.com/files/xgycdj189 new AK-103]&lt;br /&gt;
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:That link goes to a pay-to-download site. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Gentleman, why do the russians carry AKs with a bunch of western furniture on them? I don't think Izhmash orders their stock and handgrip parts from Tapco. Great thinking, Modern Warfare 2 producers!  -Camden&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unrealeted ==&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the     ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother    ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line &amp;quot;he's got a contact in rio&amp;quot; and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!&lt;br /&gt;
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To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
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Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Hopes For New Game==&lt;br /&gt;
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Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.&lt;br /&gt;
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What the fick is an &amp;quot;akarov&amp;quot;? Lol-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.&lt;br /&gt;
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as      like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the &amp;quot;Surpressors&amp;quot;, and &amp;quot;Ghillie Suits&amp;quot; but really was a &amp;quot;Greek Tragedy&amp;quot; on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions &amp;quot;Blackout&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;All Ghillied Up&amp;quot;? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments &amp;quot;No Attachment&amp;quot; has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the &amp;quot;No Attachment&amp;quot; feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has &amp;quot;No Attachment&amp;quot; for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.&lt;br /&gt;
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* If they added compensators to the attachments for handguns would be cool. It sucks that there's only one attachment for pistols in MW1, and the D-Eagle hasnt got anything that can be put on it, and that sucks even more. Maybe different calibers for the D-Eagles could be used too, but that might be going too far. And I hope theres an SG552 in there aswell, I love that gun so much. And if they added firing selection to the game, you could switch the SPAS from pump to semi auto, which would also be cool, and a touch more realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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:More Desert Eagle is the ''last'' thing this game needs. Seriously, why not a SIG 226 or HK45 instead (i.e., an actual ''combat pistol'')? One thing I want for sure is a freaking fire selector for assault rifles and carbines. Like has been said on the CoD4 page, full auto or bust sucks. I prefer quick double tapping on semi-auto. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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My hopes for this game?  An automatic FAMAS; leave the 3-round burst to the M16.  Also, a true M14.  As for everything else, well, the only thing I was worried about from the onset was the RPD, but since it's been confirmed, I'm ecstatic.  And I like how they're doing the secondary weapon thing.  Having a shotgun as your primary could be pretty useless sometimes...[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 21:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
-you no what, they need to make a real &amp;quot;modern  warfare&amp;quot; game, like with acts going from Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, and hell Somalia, who wouldnt want to play a blackhawk down game with kick ass graphics AND guns, that is what cod7 should be and obviously with the real weaponry they had, ex- no Magpul Masada in vietnam, Sad but true, any agree with this?- Griz&lt;br /&gt;
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==Winchester 1200==&lt;br /&gt;
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We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?&lt;br /&gt;
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.&lt;br /&gt;
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun      in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Watching over the video again on youtube and moderwarfare2.com, the weapon does look like a Winchester 1200 at first glance, yet I'm also convinced it may be a Remington 870 MCS, either in the Entry configuration or the Patrol Configuration due to the length of the barrel or it maybe the combination of the two, due to the length of the barrel with an added entry front sight. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 22:15, 11 August 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alright ==&lt;br /&gt;
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Here they come:&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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YOU FOOL! It's &amp;quot;sons-of-bitches&amp;quot;. That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== gameplay demo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2&lt;br /&gt;
it showed &amp;quot;Roach&amp;quot;(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar&lt;br /&gt;
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?&lt;br /&gt;
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions?  Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.&lt;br /&gt;
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It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.&lt;br /&gt;
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::That little     er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) &amp;quot;Olive Drab&amp;quot;. [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&amp;amp;W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Weapons-trailers==&lt;br /&gt;
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Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the  110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Youtube, theres a &amp;quot;weapons&amp;quot; one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all         . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hbar? ==&lt;br /&gt;
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother     is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&amp;amp;tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a &amp;quot;H&amp;quot; in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)&lt;br /&gt;
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What's going on with the Apparant A1 version of the Aug on this game its an A2 with a made up scope to go on it (its not exacty a scope that works well with other weapons) so why didnt they just knock out the silly RIS rail inbetween?--[[User:Gunfeldbach|Gunfeldbach]] 01:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Correct Name ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the &amp;quot;M&amp;quot; section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the &amp;quot;C&amp;quot; section with out changing the name that will be organized.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;You can call it Call of Duty 6 if you want...People just look at me stupid when I do it. They understand when I say 'Modern Warfare 2'.&amp;quot; -Camden&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the &amp;quot;Call of Duty&amp;quot; moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Or we could make a new &amp;quot;Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2&amp;quot; page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2.  [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.&lt;br /&gt;
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so i think we should call it call of duty modern warfare 2 -Mandaloin&lt;br /&gt;
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Thats just the boxart. Officially by the gamedevs its only called Modern warefare 2. They just slapped &amp;quot;call of duty&amp;quot; on there because a lot of people are stupid enough not to realise this IS a sequel to Call of Duty 4: modern warefare [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::...and this is why the rest of the world laughs at you. The UN uses the US for two things: money and muscle. If we need a billion dollars-worth of hardware and a couple of divisions of witless jocks to drive it around, you're who we go to. The two hardest things about a UN mission are coming up with a spin which makes the Yanks feel self-important and translating your orders from French to American English.&lt;br /&gt;
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and     s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda     ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah that's from the original book, Rainbow Six. The games are all based around it. He was and Ex-SEAL who was recruited by the CIA and became an Operator[a Spy, if you wanna be movie technical.]. His name was John Clark.&lt;br /&gt;
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:My Rainbow Six history isn't what it used to be, but I'm pretty sure John Clark was just the director of Rainbow and didn't do much field work (most of which was left to Ding Chavez, at least until the Vegas games when he was promoted to Six and Logan and Bishop were brought into the picture). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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True, he didn't do much feild. About all he did in the basis of feild work was at the end of the novel where they hunt down the Bio-terrorist's and chase them to their secondary base in Brazil. He run's the show basically as Feild Commander.&lt;br /&gt;
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Task Force 141 in-game is made-up of an unknown amount of countries military. The three that you can definately tell are, U.S. Military, British S.A.S., and Australian S.A.S.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== CPT. Price ==&lt;br /&gt;
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;quot;I'm really going to confuse the discussion, If Gaz got shot the face with an Action Express and died...(Which I watched) Why does Ghost sound like Gaz?&amp;quot; -Camden&lt;br /&gt;
::You aren't confusing anyone. They sound the same because they have the same voice actor. You know, sort of like how Naomi Hunter in Metal Gear Solid 1/4 and Emma Emmerich in Metal Gear Solid 2 sound the same even though they're not the same person? Seriously, all this ridiculous &amp;quot;Ghost is Gaz&amp;quot; crap and those gullible enough to believe it are getting on my nerves. Gaz took a bullet to the head. He's '''dead'''. Accept it and move on with your life.  [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys&lt;br /&gt;
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*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest&lt;br /&gt;
::Even though Price's survival or lack-there-of has already been confirmed in this game, I feel the need to comment on this specific comment. The medic wasn't bashing his chest. He was administering a medical procedure called a precordial thump. It's used on victims of cardiac arrest when there isn't a defibrillator on hand. Therefore, he wasn't pounding his chest in defeat, he was pounding his chest to start his first aid treatment. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.&lt;br /&gt;
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.&lt;br /&gt;
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No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yes, but apparently Soap has a glorious Mohawk. And Price could be a good Zombie.&lt;br /&gt;
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:What reason would there be for him ''not'' to? Guys get wounded and go back to active duty all the time. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Unfortunatly that could just end up being part of a flashback mission like in CoD 4. Here's hoping it's for a part of the main game.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-Hes in the new trailer. Seriously, end of debate- k9870&lt;br /&gt;
::If you're on about the guy on the assault boat, all we see is a guy in a boonie from behind. I'm going to withhold judgement until the game actually comes out.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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At beginning of the Takedown level, Royce addresses &amp;quot;Bravo Six,&amp;quot; Price's call sign from CoD4. Keep in mind that Captain Macmillan was Alpha Six, and that Soap's call sign is ''rumored'' to be Papa Six.&lt;br /&gt;
:: Except Bravo six was also Lt Vasquez's callsign. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Except that Vasquez died in a nuclear explosion. Price's odds of survival are much better that someone who was nuked, crashed in a helicopter, and then exposed to radiation. &lt;br /&gt;
::: Hence my point, which is that the callsign is non-indicative. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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chewbacca doesnt count since hes furry...-Supertoaster 18:05, 9/6/2010&lt;br /&gt;
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it has been rumored that captain price (billy murray) will return as the commander of the 22 reg along with SSGT griggs (somehow) due to the fact we have been told (through the twitter page) that the voice actors have been paid record their voices but even then thiers nothing from stoping them from making another flashback mission  with them&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hence my original point. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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sorry ment to update that earlier CPT price is confirmed as retuning as the unit leader again after soap and roach break him out of a Russian prison (at that point price trys to kill roach but stops when he sees soap) the M1911 that you see on soap is the same as whats from MW1 which is returned to price then you can figure the rest out. end of story. regards scarec&lt;br /&gt;
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:SEALs? Don't you mean Rangers? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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In Multiplayer, you have a different voice that announces the game for the Rangers. You would hear an american voice say &amp;quot;insert type of game&amp;quot;, then he would say &amp;quot;Rangers lead the way&amp;quot;. The voice of Griggs would say &amp;quot;insert type of game&amp;quot; then &amp;quot;let's do this&amp;quot;, in mulitplayer, you can play middle easterns, Brazillians, russians, british, and Rangers. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nobody, it's a call sign. Gaz is dead and Ghost is not him in disguise. IW confirmed this. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:42, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Insert insane theory about how the bullet just blew Gaz's ear off, and so he survived, and that IW is just lying to us to give Gaz an epic reveal when he comes back to life in the third game, here*. Sorry, couldn't resist. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:02, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==General Observations==&lt;br /&gt;
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery.  When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].&lt;br /&gt;
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== The New pictures ==&lt;br /&gt;
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of     ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother    ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother    ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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LoL that site is horrible... if you think that page is bad just jump into the forums... all kinds of gems in there... read the one about the Taurus Raging Bull. the guy says &amp;quot;goodluck reloading its four barrels&amp;quot; &amp;lt;- That had me laughing with the stupidity of that statement. - Furious Oyster&lt;br /&gt;
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== TAR-21 or F2000? ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:My question is where the      is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&amp;amp;Wshooter)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I see it now. It is an F2000 with the shotgun attachment and the way the shotgun is attached makes the gun look retarded. They didn't make the SCAR's own grenade launcher attachment, so obviously they didn't do the F2000's attachment and worse, they didn't take off the removeable handguard and just put the M203 directly under the barrel, they had to slap it at the bottom of the damn thing. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I have heard however that the F2000s red dot sight in multiplayer is the standard F2000 optical sight, much like the TAR-21 uses the MARS sight in multiplayer as well, and the L86 uses the SUSAT in place of the ACOG. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I've used F2000s with the standard scope in Special Ops and the L86 does indeed have a SUSAT (that thing is horrible, BTW) in place of the ACOG. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::It is man. The L86 has awful accuracy, almost no range, and once you get two or three rounds off, it's all over the place. For me, it's the HBAR amigo. I'll take thr ability to hit people over drum mags any day. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP7? Are you sure? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Where do you exactly see MP7?&lt;br /&gt;
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I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.&lt;br /&gt;
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.&lt;br /&gt;
MP7 doesn't match...&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw a picture of it yesterday and i cant remember where. and i think it was a russian behind a shield, but im not sure if i remember that correctly. but the MP7 is definitely here -Mandaloin&lt;br /&gt;
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The MP7A1 is seen in the Reveal trailer in the hands of the Brazilian Secret Service agents fighting off an insurgent force from a crashed C-130-Kellers357&lt;br /&gt;
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== FAL Please ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June &lt;br /&gt;
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== TDI &amp;quot;Kriss&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not&lt;br /&gt;
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get        off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the         faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry &amp;quot;noob tuber&amp;quot; all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:As far as the Kriss goes they sure as hell have never fired it (which disappoints me that they put all these exotic weapons in that they really havent touched... in COD4 they actually fired most of the weapons and that gave it a level of authenticity) so i dont think they'll pay attention to the fact that it takes most of the recoil for you. when you fire it youll probably be shooting all over the place with heavy recoil -Mandaloin&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well looky here, an icon for picking up a &amp;quot;FAL Red Dot sight&amp;quot; In the Multiplayer trailer. There is a god, because the FN FAL has finally made it into an awesome game![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 05:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Kriss does seem to have a comparably short barrel to the UMP. IW could lower the damage due to the lower velocity? not sure what barrel length is ideal for .45ACP but I just thought that could be used as a reason to balance? that and the Kriss only uses the .45 Glock pistol mags correct? so maybe your attachment is an extended mag to help compete? -FuriousOyster&lt;br /&gt;
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:From what we've seen, the Kriss in MW2 is already being used with the experimental 26 round magazine currently being developed for the gun. As for barrel length, it's on par with the UMP, plus its shorter overall. Who knows, maybe IW will just make the Kriss what it is in real life, a hard and precise hitting sub machine gun. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Apparently IW got the Kriss right on how controllable it is when firing on full auto. It doesn't go all over the place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Vector is stunningly good. A bit down on power, but accurate and it can handle it's high ROF. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Been unlocking the attachments for the Vector and it is kind of nerf on the power. It's really not the strong, but has a high rate of fire and accuracy [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:52, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== HK416? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possible HK416-&lt;br /&gt;
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The SAS guy with the Mohawk &amp;amp; Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&amp;amp;K hallmark diopter sights...).&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope they don't. It's not that I necessarily hate the HK416 (well, okay, maybe I do ''a little bit''), but let's give LWRC's or Colt's gas pistons some love. The 416 and XM8 are way overused in shooters today. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
:And the rear sight on Soap's M4 looks more like an ARMS #40L to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Again, why do people think that when they see a cool looking AR15 in a game or a movie shot they RIGHT AWAY say, HK416 or M468 AKA REC7 as it is called now.? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Because a lot of people are so fracking biased against DI guns that it's crazy. They're quick to tout the AK's widespread use as an example of its so-called &amp;quot;superiority&amp;quot;, but that same argument means &amp;quot;absolutely nothing&amp;quot; to the same people when it's applied to the M4 and variants ''chosen'' by elite forces all over the planet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah, i agree, it is ridiculous, especially since you can upgrade an m4 to perform exactly like any of the other new weapons and do it for a $1,000 cheaper. it makes you wonder why were even replacing the m4?&lt;br /&gt;
:Same reason the army bought a new grenade launcher: It's shiny and new. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well you have to think about the old saying. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. But with weapon systems, they do get out dated and don't last forever. Eventually it's naturally to want to replace what you have now even though it's an effective piece of equipment that's served you for many years. Think back when the M16 was first introduced. It got so much crap from the old timers in the military that it took almost a decade to get it fielded. And now the M16 is a beloved icon of American power and loved by millions. Times change and so would weapons. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==FN P90==&lt;br /&gt;
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said &amp;quot;Press # to ick up P90&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Re-added ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game &amp;quot;''Modern Warfare 2''&amp;quot; (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game &amp;quot;''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''&amp;quot;, search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have &amp;quot;''Call of Duty''&amp;quot; on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i luv p-90 its awesome. i'v been playing modern warefare for one week now and what i did was i got bling pro(allows you to chose 2 perks) and i took a p-90 and put akimbo and rapid fire. its CRAZY. whenever your in close quarters with that combo, your invincibal.&lt;br /&gt;
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-evilmidget25&lt;br /&gt;
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ps il be online soon, its been three months and ill be back on chrismas&lt;br /&gt;
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== Walther WA2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;People, it's there in-game. Not in any of the missions I've seen, but I use it all the time in Spec-ops, Then gilly suited russians try to kill me with it when I play the chernobyl mission. there is a Frowny Face sticker on the inside of the scope cover. Very funny!&amp;quot; -Camden&lt;br /&gt;
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Only a hundred-something were ever made. just saying [[SargeOverkill]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720&lt;br /&gt;
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I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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NVG's that max out to 50 feet, failll&lt;br /&gt;
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:*facedesk* Behold, NVGs for less then 200 with a $70 game and art book, Who wants to bet those are made by a company who's name you can't pronounce and is based in a country that rhymes with Dina? Anyhow, I already pre-ordered the standard game, I don't need fancy art books and hard cases and crappy NVGs, I just want what may be the best FPS ever created, period. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You just call that game the best FPS ever created? You tried using a shotgun? The guys who made it know nothing of shotguns and the fact that you can't change firing modes, and that if you don't use the sights you can't hit the broad side of a barn even if you put the barrel against it! --[[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 02:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I'm don't want the nod to use, I just want them as a bad-@$$ display for the living room. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::And they actually function pretty well. I can make out the stop sign at the entrance to the complex I live in, and it's quite a bit further away than 50 feet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cover Restoration ==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== SPAS-12? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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its a FAMAS- the folded bipod&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nope, it's a WA2000&lt;br /&gt;
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::The Walther WA2000 has a &amp;quot;skeletal&amp;quot; look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant &amp;quot;bipod&amp;quot;, not &amp;quot;stock&amp;quot;. I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not a shotgun, the &amp;quot;handgrip&amp;quot; is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Confirmed Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png&lt;br /&gt;
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:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::So, it's almost sure that the weapons carried by the brazilians are FAL? I don't think they will include two weapons pretty identical... Unless they changed the rate of fire on each weapon much like the M4/M16 AR.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's the Imbel but Infinity Ward named it FN FAL. Like the AKMSU/AK-74S fuck up in Modern Warfare 1.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think its the fal, it looks like it uses a bigger magazine therefore a bigger round, the MD 3 uses 223, the fal uses 308&lt;br /&gt;
::I noticed that too. It looks like a FN FAL with an 30 round magazine. But look at the Forearm. It looks like an MD-3 forearm to me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::But it could be based on the DSA SA-58, which has a shorter fore end, and curved .308 mags do exist. Either way though, a FAL in Mw2 is win in my books. Infact, here's a nice picture that may help that theory, [url]http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DSA-SA-58-OSW.jpg[/url] [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Terribly disappointed that the 1911 is not used in multiplayer - JanG&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not just disappointing, it's a crime. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:54, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==M4==&lt;br /&gt;
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The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??&lt;br /&gt;
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:wheres the proof?&lt;br /&gt;
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::As of now, nothing can be added to the main article since there are no sources or evidence that provide the actual facts. Do you happen to have a link of the official statement? I think what he means is that the M4 (when mounted with sights or scopes) looks like a Bushmaster ORC (Optics-Ready Carbine), since it's rear and front sights are already removed. But just because it looks like it doesn't mean it has to be a Bushmaster. And again, guys, please sign your edits. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 21:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The M4 IS a Bushmaster! And proof is right here on IMFDB! I took this from the pic of Soap and enlarged it.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Soap_Bushmaster_M4.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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Snake logo on the mag well is Bushmaster's. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And I just noticed Soap is wearing US Army UCP, as well... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:So what? In this fictional universe, Bushmaster makes all the M4s? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well, true, but this is a video game set in the near future. It could very well be possible that Bushmaster took over M4 production from Colt (since their exclusivity agreement expired back in June) in the Modern Warfare world.[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And I doubt IW would put two or more different identical &amp;quot;M4s&amp;quot; in the game. I can see an M4 and HK416 or REC7 put side-by-side in the game because there are some slight external differences (and caliber increase in the case of the REC7), but there'd be no point in having separate Colt and Bushmaster M4s, both virtually identical externally, at the same time. But then again the still above could very well be just promotional with a Bushmaster put in because it's all they had available to model. But we'll find out for sure Nov. 10th... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Hmm... Bushmaster may have used the Call of Duty franchise to advertise for their weapons, as seen on the lower receiver of the M4. Maybe likely, maybe not; but it is a possibility. Cheers, --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}&lt;br /&gt;
::::HK did it with R6, so why can't Bushmaster do it with MW2? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Whats with all the reflex sights, they do that in way to many games, if you look at the weaponry issued to SOF in america, they all use Aimpoints, ACOGs or Eo-Tec's so why do game designers feel the need to put in Reflex. every SWAT department in america has EO-Tecs on their M4s not a reflex sight.&lt;br /&gt;
::::It is only in this picture that the Bushmaster snake logo is present. In-game, the model has a horse on the lower receiver, similar to Colt's &amp;quot;prancing pony&amp;quot; logo. --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Winchester 1887==&lt;br /&gt;
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No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.&lt;br /&gt;
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I dought you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it. &lt;br /&gt;
Also it could be the Chinese copy.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There was a ''Public Ennemies'' version of the weapon which was closer to the one in the screenshot, but it has been deleted.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be peculiar to have the old lever shotgun in MW2, but definitely a cool choice of gun. It may not be the fastest or most powerful, but it has nostalgia and cool to it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be like the Stg-44 from COD4, a retro weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
It was called MP44 in Cod4 not Stg-44 that was in W@W just trying to help. -FuriousOyste&lt;br /&gt;
: The MP44/StG-44 was only in CoD4 as a nod to the other games in the franchise which are all set during WW2. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe you can unlock Price's mustache as a nod to his awesomely awesome mustache from MW1? =D -FuriousOyster&lt;br /&gt;
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Since IW seem to be going along the &amp;quot;fun&amp;quot; route while still sticking to a semi-realism point of view, it's probably safe to assume this was added as a &amp;quot;fun gun&amp;quot;. It's likely with the recent videos of the &amp;quot;Flag Runner&amp;quot; and the addition of throwing knives there adding weapons that no serious soldier would use in direct combat but would be awesome to use a video game multiplayer match. It's possible they added it as a reference to Terminator 2, I wonder if they'll add the M79 and a portable minigun... [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:11, 02 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There should be two reload animations. The first one you reload normally but in the second one you reload like the T-600, With one goddamm hand.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That was only chambering fresh rounds, not reloading it, but I see your poit. Either way though, having an old school lever action shotty will surely make things, uh, interesting? And throwing knives will just attract goddamn ninjas. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Ninjas that I'll gladly lay waste to in MP. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Amen to that man, they can throw all the knives they want, but that won't stop them from taking a burst of FAL rounds in the chest. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Good luck getting a burst out of your FAL --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 05:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;Those who live by the sword get shot by the ones who don't&amp;quot;. Ninja's were cowards anyways. They retreated rather than fought most of the time-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Not to mention that was against bows and arrows, not automatic rifles. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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for the reload animations I think the shells are being loaded in to the barrel!!&lt;br /&gt;
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:No my friend, thats just how you load a lever shotgun. The tube you load the shells in to is the magazine, and the tube below it is where they eject from when you cock the gun after a shot. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Don't debate on the articles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.&lt;br /&gt;
::Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::What Jake means, is that to hold all disputes, comments, and debates on the discussion (talk) page, instead of the article itself. The page you are looking at is the talk page and you should type any comments on this page. If you look at the top, there are seven tabs (varies on your status and monobook of the wiki), but for more users, it says, &amp;quot;page, discussion, edit, +, history, move, &amp;amp; watch&amp;quot;. Make sure the &amp;quot;discussion&amp;quot; tab is pressed before you make your edit. Typing in the tab that says &amp;quot;page&amp;quot; makes the article look unprofessional and a hassle to read. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 21:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I'll move all the discussion here...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 13:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Glock ==&lt;br /&gt;
The GameTrailers Analysis states that it is a [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22]], but this is unconfirmed. It could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] since in the video demo shown at the E3 conference, it fires fully automatically. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] - 9x19mm. This model has compensator cuts on the slide and barrel to reduce muzzle climb while firing]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2Glock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A [[Glock]] fired by &amp;quot;Roach&amp;quot; on a snowmobile in Mission &amp;quot;Cliffhangar&amp;quot;. Note olive-drab frame.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2SpOpGlock.jpg|thumb|none|300px|This US special ops has a olive-drab framed Glock in his thigh holster (barely off-shot).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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*An interesting note is that the Glock fires dramatically slower than a Glock 18 or other converted Glocks. The Glock from the video's rate of fire is only around 600-700 RPM, where as a real Automatic Glock fires around 1100+ RPM  -- Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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:The guy COULD just be firing in semi VERY fast so that it seems like it's full auto. A lot of the handguns in COD4 if you tap the trigger in quick successions, it seems almost full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) &amp;quot;Olive Drab&amp;quot;. Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&amp;amp;W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Not to disagree with you, I mean, you strike a really good point, but I've seen video game companies butcher their weapons into having colors or functions that they don't even have in the first place. Perhaps this is the case, although highly unlikely. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 17:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if anybody noticed, but the G18s in game does not have a selector switch - JanG&lt;br /&gt;
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The Glock 18 can come with OD frames http://www.teamglock.com/Glock-Buyers-Guide/Glock-18.htm&lt;br /&gt;
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== H&amp;amp;K USP .45 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Shown in a stage demo for GameSpot, Roach wields it with a knife at the same time. There is a similar technique where you do this with a flashlight. If someone would care to name it please do as I forgot for the moment.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Take your pick from CQC, CQB, Combatives or Defendu. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
** The particular technique shown below with the support arm under the wrist of the main arm indexing the flashlight along the axis of  the barrel is called the Harris Method. In this case it's being done with a knife presumably because it looks cool.&lt;br /&gt;
*** It's actually done for CQC and not just cause it looks cool. A similar method to this is what Snake does on MGS.But he holds the Knife with the gun by the grips.Perhaps the Harries method is more comfortable than Snake's CQC method,so they made it that way.&lt;br /&gt;
**** &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP .45 ACP. Note the slightly longer barrel/slide and grip compared to the 9mm and .40 S&amp;amp;W models above.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Akimbo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*Need some confirmation on this as I cant find any videos or images of this, supposedly the player is now able to Dual wield or go Akimbo with Pistols, particularly twin desert eagles were seen in a demonstration during a show off session to fans. &lt;br /&gt;
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This is one of the websites with this article:&lt;br /&gt;
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:There was a screenshot of the Desert Eagle being held akimbo during a gameshow in Vegas (the name of which I forgot...) I'm not sure if it was already added to the article, but I'll take a look. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 04:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Now Akimbo? I'm having less and less faith in this new game with most of these cliche shit added on. We got too many kinds of new guns enough to put Rainbow Six to shame, odd matches for people and prototype guns in wide use. This game went from pretty cool to up down cliche generic shooter. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Leaked Video ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Found this video while searching the net on youtube. &lt;br /&gt;
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At 1:28 there appears to be a new weapon, it looks like it says &amp;quot;Shotgun&amp;quot; but the video is low qaulity and I'm having a hard time finding out what it is? The icon image looks similar to that of a Saiga shotgun but I'm not sure. From the looks of it, the IMI Mini Uzi will be making a return.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mw2brazilshotgun.png]] I think it says (litterally) &amp;quot;FAL w/ Shotgun&amp;quot;... Shotgun attachment?!--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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MASTERKEY! that would be awesome! on the other hand... COD4 shotguns were pretty pointless. so I doubt an even shorter barreled one would be worth it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::That does surely say FAL with Shotgun, as it matches the shape of the other FAL seen in a trailer, sweet! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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also confirmed in game masterkey is avalible -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continuity Error(??) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Perhaps, in the E3 Gameplay video, the Infinity Ward boyz made a continuity error. If you will, note that Roach is first seen using a USP .45, but later, on the snowmobile, he switches to a Glock 18/22/whatever. Just a thought.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Doubt it. games arn't that sloppy. Its probably given to you when you board the snowmobile because firing a semiautomatic weapon while you are going pretty fast wouldn't help much unless you have a very steady hand. better to have a wide spread than accuracy when you cant predict the enemy that well. [[user:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well apparently you are able to equip 3 weapons?, but that still wouldn't explain how he got that glock.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::What 5t3v0 says is true. Video game developers aren't that sloppy and I think that the publishers purposefully made this so-called &amp;quot;continuity error&amp;quot;. I think that the Glock is for use only for the snowmobile portion of the mission, since its high rate of fire (compared to the HK USP .45) is more ideal for tracking and shooting fast-moving vehicles. Many other video games during their vehicle missions use the same logic (i.e. a mounted machine gun on the snowmobile in [[007: Nightfire]]). --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 04:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay first of all, i know you know its just a game, so thats my first statement, and my second is, who says you cant have another holster on you, one on your thigh, one on your rig, or two on both your thighs? and then you either have access to it in the game or you dont, and we can all pretend like roach just doesnt want to use it until the snowmobile thing or something like that.&lt;br /&gt;
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== New mw video ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Gentlemen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PMRFkx07g&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn, the MP5K Looks SWEET! And throwing knives? kick-ass!!! man as soon as this is released im disowning my copy of COD4.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Double Barrel Shotty ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* It's possible with the inclusion of other &amp;quot;fun&amp;quot; weapons like the Winchester M1887 and Throwing knives, but I'm not going to get my hopes up about it... [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:18, 02 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Try not to include wiki as a source unless there's pics of the actual shotgun ingame. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The OXM stated that (Official Xbox Magazine). The DB shotgun will have separate trigger for each barrel.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::You said it will make a return, it never was in cod4, or are you referring to cod5? --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 15:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Sorry, shouldve been a little clearer, i was referring to cod5&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mk14 Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Mk14 on the screenshot is not a Mk14 Mod0 battle rifle but a Mk14 Mod1 ([http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/closeup/Mk_14_Mod_1.jpg]), the second modification. Still based on the M14/M1A battle rifle/semi-auto rifle, but using M4 grip and stock with the EBR chassis. The version used by soaped also seems to sport a Magpul MOE stock with cheek rest.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that I see that new picture on the page with the mk14 in it I think that it is also a mod 1. Who else is thinks so?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Highrise Gameplay videos (Cam) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just saw this today, the &amp;quot;trailer&amp;quot; section also has a trailer cam of a predator missile and a supply drop, it also shows off the UMP45.&lt;br /&gt;
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The newer highrise videos show a few weapons in the game that would now be deemed confirmed to a degree. It's labelled 1 through 5 in parts. They all feature different guns, I remember seeing two icons, one which was thought to be a place holder, the L85 was displayed as the L86 LSW (maybe an attachment for the L85?) including a PP-2000 Akimbo. Other's include various MG's which I can't identify, a SPAS-12 shotgun in full view (with appropriate icon) and the FAMAS and UMP.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The videos from Gametrailers also seem to show a silenced SPAS 12, which should be fun. &lt;br /&gt;
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== New video confirms a few weapons==&lt;br /&gt;
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A few weapons are probably confirmed by this video from Screwattack, PP-2000 amongst them.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just from watching, I saw the FAMAS, RPD, M4, SCAR, PP2000, AT4 (now a weapon not a perk, and more.[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] &lt;br /&gt;
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everything in the game is now content locked.  that means any weapon seen will be in the final game&lt;br /&gt;
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Seems like the best place to write this:&lt;br /&gt;
There actually is an M249 in the game. In the last level in D.C., when you come out into the fighting in front of the White House and Sgt. Foley talks to some colonel or someone, if you walk all the way to the left there is a dead Ranger with an M249 mounted on the limb of a fallen-over tree. It's a mounted MG that cannot be moved and it does not overheat. It is definitely a M249.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Zombie Mode==&lt;br /&gt;
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No they wont. Instead they have a spec-ops mode. Besides, its not cool of Infinity ward to copy treyarchs thing. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, especially when Treyarch has made an entire career out of copying Infinity Ward&lt;br /&gt;
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== Create A Class Menu ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Several weapons,perks, and attachments have now been confirmed in a new video's on youtube including [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], [[PP-2000]], [[M79 grenade launcher]], [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention]], [[RPD light machine gun]], [[Franchi SPAS-12]] and much more. &lt;br /&gt;
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Source: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K51MZPJ-Rd0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K51MZPJ-Rd0], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNCCkvV77s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNCCkvV77s]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CreateAClass.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Create a Class Menu.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Infamy (New Trailer) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Guy in the Airport wearing a black suit (presumably this Makarov character) looks like he was carrying a SCAR-L but then I noticed the RIS rails to which it was just a regular M4. It was weird how they made look very similar to the SCAR-L, yet at 1:31 in the Infamy trailer there's a guy with outline of the SCAR-L. It looks like the &amp;quot;Mini-Uzi&amp;quot; is now confirmed to be apart of the machine pistol lineup of weapons. Also does anyone think the AK at 0:57 looks odd? Kinda looks to me like a AN-94. - [[Draco122|Draco122]] 07:07 05 October 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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*The weapon Makarov was holding looked like an M4 to me, but I think your right about the Mini-Uzi being a machine pistol now. And as for the AK it looked like the rest of the AKs I've seen from ingame pictures and footage. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 20:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The guy is holding an M4. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Russian tactical team that responded to the airport attack were referred by Makarov as FSBs.  Even though they did deploy from SWAT vans marked as FSB, the Russian soldiers actually wear MVD uniforms, meaning that they were actually interior troops.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wall of guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just got this off of Gametrailers TV. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Too late, man.)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sentry Gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On Gamesrader.com, an article on the impressions of MW2, mentions a Sentry Gun in the Kill Streak list. After doing some research, I've found a supposed concept of the Sentry Gun on Modernwarfare247.com. Apparently it seems to be the XM312 .50Cal fitted with a Camera. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 09:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Leaked-mw2-art-book-12.jpg|300px|thumb|none|XM312]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Sentry Gun in the game is an M134 on a tripod, as I've used some in MP. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The first two are Scars, the second has a Masterkey, the third with an ACOG doesnt quite look right, and I cant tell what the digital one is, any help?&lt;br /&gt;
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The two on the right might be ACR's--[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 03:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The digital one is the bushmaster ACR. It looks a little funny but that is it.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== W2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not 100% certain on this, but isn't the W2000 a collector's sniper rifle? I mean this is a rather expensive sniper rifle made as a colector's rifle. So why would the military be using it in whatever war this game takes place in?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, ever since Black came out, WA2000s have been known to be laying all across Europe, ripe for the picking! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha Agent 47 spends thousands of dollars just to maintain one yet European armies can buy millions of them just to lay around randomly :P&lt;br /&gt;
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From my play through, I can only find one. The one you see on the wall of guns picture.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've seen them in several missions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unfocused ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This game is looking more and more gimmicky by the day. It's as if they're going all out to jam as much modern technology into the game as possible, whether it makes sense or not. Brazilian militia with FN F2000 assault rifles? Russian terrorists with the TDI Vector? ''Really''? --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 08:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's true that I feel the game is adding so much new stuff it won't be anything like CoD4. It bothers me that Infinity Ward is going over the top just because of its huge fanbase.&lt;br /&gt;
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For those of you who have seen &amp;quot;Lord of War&amp;quot;, remember Nicolas Cage's quote: &amp;quot;Where there's a will, there's a weapon.&amp;quot; I'm sure that their theory for the MW2 universe is that some FN or TDI salesmen forgot who they were working for, and sold their latest &amp;amp; greatest weapons to the bad guys, and got paid more in a day or two than they would earn working for a decade. I believe that money is the most corrupting force on Earth. Also, I do recall a story about some F2000s winding up in the hands of a militia in East Timor a few years ago, and I'm not sure whether or not FN figured out how they got there. -KLR&lt;br /&gt;
:I've heard of this happening with a custom M14 maker. One of their people was rebuilding some MK14Mod0 on the side and smuggling them to the phillipines if i rememger correctly. The man was caught and is spending a long vacation is club fed. --[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As much as I agree that the weapons are going a little crazy (how the hell do Brazilians in the slums of Rio get their hands on such powerful NATO weaponry?), remember this game isn't set in the present day, its sometime in 2016 I think. So who knows, in that year the rarer weapons of today may be more widely available. Unlikely I know, but possible. [[Special:Contributions/90.213.208.208|90.213.208.208]] 10:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And besides, the game would be very boring if everyone had AK's. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not exactly. Im not liking the whole high end weapons idea for militia. I would have been fine seeing militia using ak variants and other common battle rifles. --[[User:mythekal|mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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You must remember that all gangs in Rio get majority of there weapons from buying over seas and from corrupt military and police units, who themselves have stockpiles of powerful NATO weapons (M4s, AKs, FNs,etc.). And the Brazilian militia's leader is an Arms Dealer who has ties with the Ultranationalists, any Arms dealer that big can afford to give his men some much more flashier weapons! Also this is just a game too! --[[User:Choi117|Choi117]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:In the first game the russians had g36cs, ak-47s, m9s and 1911s, not like, ak-74s and makarovs. In this they seem to have gone to just having tacticool bullpups and high-end everything.....I laugh if you pick p an m9 in brazil even though your infinitely more likely to get a taurus pt92.&lt;br /&gt;
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One aspect of Modern Warfare 2 is notably the fact, that although not identified by developers, is the way in which the worlds runs, MONEY!, believe it or not but the American government has been dealing arms for years, all to up there pay check, the result is quite devastating, its give there own troops a disadvantage but what do they care money's, money, they would give nuclear weapons to iraq if there was enough money.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually, the American government deals arms mainly to friendly nations and used to deal arms to CIA backed insurgencies.  So, you know, they wouldn't be selling things like NUKES you moron.  As far as the purchase of these weapons, just consider Mexico today:  You have a 'military' (if you can really call the Mexican Army a military) where 250,000 soldiers have left to work for a drug cartel or just left the country, leaving their rifles with the cartels.  Then you have those same cartels buying firearms from third world SA countries that were provided firearms by the US for insurgencies.  Then you have cartels buying firearms from people very similar to Cage's character in Lord of War.  In 2016, it's more than believable taht those dealers could be selling ill-gotten FN2000's to wherever they damn well please.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think that they are adding all of these guns because after Zakheav died the ultranationalists kinda fell apart and now they use anything they get their hands on so some of their guys probably decided too buy their own guns and thought they might as weel go big.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you think this game is unfocused you haven't seen the 25 kill streak perk yet! A Freaking Tactical Nuke, I'm not joking: http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/modern-warfare-2-25th-killstreak/333858[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]&lt;br /&gt;
:That idea makes the game sound more ridiculous than it already is. This is way over the top now.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone explain what &amp;quot;in egoview&amp;quot; means? pictures have the caption something like &amp;quot;the SPAS-12 in egoview &amp;quot; somethign like that. Is it suposed to mean first-person view, only written by someone with poor english?&lt;br /&gt;
:Presumably it refers to First-Person view. If you look, all the HUD text in those shots is in German. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This is interesting discussion, but I have to say I think you guys are missing the point a bit. I'll cede the points about modern weapons being more proliferated in the CoD universe, and the one about the criminal factions (Militia, Ultranationalists) having large financial reserves, since this is fiction that's entirely possible. But, even if a criminal organization did have vast resources of cash, I'm sure they could find more important things to spend money on than outfitting their dime-a-dozen armed thugs with modern NATO assault rifles when they could just buy a bunch of AKs for a quarter of the price and be done with it, immensely simplifying training and logistics in the process. After all, what can a poorly trained, militia thug do with an FN2000 that they can't do with an AK-74? I guess my point is that the many iffy decisions made about the weapons in this game represent, to me, the entire ethos behind this series:''&amp;quot;Screw &amp;quot;logic&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;realism&amp;quot;, let's just focus on making everything '''totally f**ing awesome''' ohlookanexplosion!&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess I can't fault them, really, since this kind of attitude is right in line with the ''attention-deficit teenage douchebag'' demographic they're catering to nowadays. It just irritates me because it's basically the complete opposite of what I'm looking for in a war game, and I get all the more irritated every time I run into one of the aforementioned douchebags, fresh from playing this game, who thinks he's now some kind of authority on firearms. IW could be so much better if they wanted to. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 21:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Dead on the money Matt. What gets me is, a lot of criminal organizations NOW have, ahem, LARGE sums of money and cash. Hell, it's not like the Mafia or Russian Organized Crime are exactly &amp;quot;poor&amp;quot; organizations, but does anyone here think the average Mafioso or ROC thug is packing an FN2000, or a tricked out M4, or an AUG, etc? Hell, even a lot of the militant Islamic extremist groups are extremely well funded, yet, they're still packing AKs and RPGs. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with you so much, Matt. Over Christmas break I visited my 16-year-old cousin who was just cleared by his father to play M-rated games. Guess which game he bought the minute he got this newfound freedom? Now he's trying to tell me how combat is really like the game and that &amp;quot;the Intervention is arguably the best firearm ever made.&amp;quot; He also tried to argue when I told him it was really called a Cheytac M200. My god this game really turned out to bother me deeply. But joke's on me, I went out and bought it myself. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 04:06, 16 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M21 EBR ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to make sure no one changes it back. Even though it doesn't technically exist, that is what its called in game. The logic behind the name is: M21 (Sniperized M14) + M14 EBR (Modernized M14) = Modernized Sniperized M14 = M21 EBR&lt;br /&gt;
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Alright, to be blunt, I LOVE the M14.  Whenever I used one in Call of Duty 4, it was like the second coming of Jesus Christ.  I just got done reading that the M14 used in this game is, as said above, a M21 EBR, and is classified as a sniper rifle.  When I found that out I was extremely pissed.  What I don't get though, is that in the Breach and Clear video that is out there, there is clearly a Mk. 14, with open iron sights.  Based on all of this bullcrap, it appears that you will not be able to use the M14/Mk.14 EBR/M21 EBR/or-whatever-the-heck-we-are-calling-it without a scope.  I am aware that MW2 is somehow sneaking out into people's Xbox's already, and I would greatly appreciate if someone could elaborate on this?[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 00:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Putting a scope on a Mark 14 doesn't change its designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Been checking with various sources on M14's and this M21 EBR is just an M14 fitted into a Sage Stock. it's nothing more than the numerous M14's I've seen used as a DMR.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I say we just stick with calling it Mark 14 Mod 1 and note in the description that its in-game name is M21 EBR. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And, while I've not yet played MP, every instance of Mark 14 use in SP refers to it as &amp;quot;M14 EBR&amp;quot;. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:03, 11 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's officially called the M21 EBR in MP. However a friend of mine tells me when fitted with an ACOG it makes for an alright assault type rifle. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::::And what pisses me off the most is that besides the scope and smaller magazine. it's a Mark 14 EBR. Why IW decided to turn it into a sniper is beyond me. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::::It would be cool, but it would be VERY redundant to the M14 EBR, not that the G36C wouldn't be either, but all the snipers are almost exactly the same (look up the real stats, the ones in game arent right), I think adding any new sniper would be kinda dumb. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*The reason it has been labeled as the M21EBR is because it has been modified into a sniper rifle. The modification of any M14 into a sniper rifle changes it's classification to an M21.--[[User:Dethshadow170|Dethshadow170]] 22:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
** No, it just makes it an M14 with a scope. Case in point is the USMC issue M14 DMR. Fits the criteria of &amp;quot;M14 converted to sniper rifle&amp;quot;, but still called an M14, not an M21. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
**Besides, just adding a scope to a gun doesn't change what gun it is. An M21 is not just an M14 with a scope as the Mk12 SPR/SAM-R/SDM-R is not just an M16 with a scope.--[[User:Strategos|Strategos]] 21:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*** By &amp;quot;modified into a sniper rifle&amp;quot; I was implying that it's full auto fire setting was disabled, plus the addition of the scope, bipod, etc.--[[User:Dethshadow170|Dethshadow170]] 22:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
****Actually, the majority of M14s left in the government arsenals were converted to semi-auto only fire early in their careers, because when it is fired in fully automatic, to quite one of the foremost arms experts Dr. Atwater, after the third round fired in full-auto, the M14 &amp;quot;becomes an anti-aircraft gun&amp;quot;.  You will occassionally see one M14 that lucked out of this modification (and I am sure that all of the ones the SEALs maintain in their own armories managed to escape it as well), but it is just not so effiecient when issued to everyday soldiers and is a recipe for a very powerful but also very inaccurate general issue rifle.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 17:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn good videos, I'll have a lot of fun with that museum :D Does this mean theres not going to be any semi-auto assualt rifles? Everything seems to be full auto in those videos...:( [[Special:Contributions/90.213.208.208|90.213.208.208]] 19:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:An added note about the &amp;quot;Museum&amp;quot; level is a button on the front desk. Press it and all the soldiers in the exhibits come alive and try to kill you! Good fun if you stock up from the weapons cases first. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Even worse, I heard it was possible to dual wield shotguns. [citation needed] Yeah, ordinarily I wouldn't just put that out there without a source, but given all the other stupid decisions IW have been making lately, I can believe it. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 01:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Wouldn't firing a sawed off one handed dislocate your shoulder?-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 03:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh look, a coincidental link to a video of a guy firing a double barreled sawn off shotgun with one hand! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwwv7AZaXCI Sorry Smith, I had to be that guy. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You know what this means, every noob on the planet will be duel wielding in MW2 like it's Halo 3 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Meh, who cares? Yeah, I think dual wielding is an action movie cliche, too, but I'll just play the game the way I want and everyone else will do the same. It most likely won't be long until people are whining and crying about &amp;quot;dual wield noobs&amp;quot; like they do about so-called &amp;quot;noob-tubers&amp;quot;. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, i use a noob tube on one of my classes myself, it may piss people off, but snipers piss me off. Besides, its not like the noob toob is good in close quarters, it only holds two rounds and has slow ass reloads. I use mine to countersnipe when they try and hide behind cover.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I only use noob tube when coming up against a map with lots of trenches or caves or buildings, the better to lob nades into. I prefer the ACOG in MW2, as now it doesn't suck like in CoD: 4 [[Special:Contributions/142.166.195.174|142.166.195.174]] 18:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone who cries about what weapons, perks, or attachments another player is using needs to either learn how to adapt to the environment and opposition or quite playing multi-player altogether. &amp;quot;ZOMG! He killed me with a grenade launcher! Not fair! Waaah waaah waaah!&amp;quot; Some people just need to grow the feck up and stop being pansies. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. the M203 is a useful tool. so are shotguns, i was sick of hearing &amp;quot;SHOTGUN NOOB!&amp;quot; after the first time i heard it. now this is just an opinion but when indoors and within the effective range, i dont think theres a better weapon. they provide a large spread pattern that can be useful in high stress situations. im not saying you dont have to aim a shotgun at close range, but neutralizing a threat can be easier with with buckshot (defense loads) than with a single slug from a pistol or rifle. in my opinion there is no &amp;quot;noob&amp;quot; weapon. when they are all used properly, each individual weapon serves a specific purpose. cheap tactics is what makes a bad player in my eyes. someone who uses a high capacity weapon (P90, Light Machine Gun) while sitting in one spot picking off players who are trying to have fun and play &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; just ruins the expirience for everyone else. and in my expirience these &amp;quot;campers&amp;quot; are the ones who cry like babies when THEY get dead at the hands of a P90 or shotgun. but thats just my opinion.--[[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] 17:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't particularly think ''any'' tactic is cheap (nor any weapon a &amp;quot;noob&amp;quot; weapon), no matter how &amp;quot;unfair&amp;quot; an advantage one thinks it gives. Some tactics are just simply more successful than others. The fact is that MW2 is a '''war''' game, and so goes the old saying ''all's fair in love and war''. If a machine gun camper kills me, so what? I'll just respawn and continue with the game. But that's the point, it's a ''game''. Some people take games way too seriously. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:For me, my response to ppl calling others and me campers or sniper whore, noob tuber. I just reply &amp;quot;It's a legitimate strategy&amp;quot;. Don't get mad, get EVEN. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Totally agree. I mean, I could possibly be wrong, but isn't &amp;quot;camping&amp;quot; essentially what snipers and machine gunners ''actually do'' in real life? I know it was last time I checked... And I sure as heck wouldn't want an M40A5 to clear a room with. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As for dual-wielding, well some of it is logical. The P90 is designed to be easy to fire single handed, so in theory it could be dual-wielded, reloading would be impossible without slings though. As for the Mini-Uzis, c'mon guys, they're Uzis, how else do you Uze them? The Vector too could work, as the fancy anti-recoil system would help it. But with the UMP, I think you'd be in trouble. .45 ACP without anything to control recoil equals you not hitting jack all. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I think it was a joke, I mean, how many people do you see firing one properly ;) Also, I think most strategys are legitimate, not that I camp, I don't. I just hate it when people use something for what its not meant for because its &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; (usually means easy to use), camping (kinda) with a snipers fine, or even an LMG as long as you're giving covering fire, but things that piss me off are sitting in a corner with a heartbeat sensor and waiting for people, using akimbo 1887's, using M16 Red Dot Sights, using Hardline, or using Commando. I think thats most of them... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Well, nothing really in this game, it was overpowered in COD4 cause it could out-snipe people with snipers half the time, but come to think of it it's okay now, it just says something about the person is all, to me at least, same reason I don't like Hardline. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::&amp;quot;I like an effective weapon&amp;quot; is the only thing it would say in my POV, but then again the majority of CoD MP players are a pretty whiny crowd. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== RIOT SHIELD ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:A WELL AIMED grenade from an M203 would take a guy with a shield out[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Unless the guy has a Blast Shield (explosive resistant face mask) equipped, he won't die unless it's a direct impact from a 40mm. He'll even survive sticky grenades on his shield. I've survived plenty with a Blast Shield on when I've got a Riot Shield. Half the time though, after a hit with a 40mm I'm near death anyway even with a Blast Shield on and usually the guy still has a second shot [[Draco122|Draco122]] 17:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Hitting the shield with a 40mm won't kill the guy, the trick is to hit just behind or under him, launching his ass into the air. also FMJs work well, as do Semtex grenades. I myself use Marathon, Lightweight and Commando with my Riot Shield, as well as blast shield and an AA-12 for sticky situations. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Semi Auto only FAL==&lt;br /&gt;
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 21:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The only Thing I could think to defend it is in The Falklands War both the UK and Argentina used the FAL. Which the UK used their L1A1 in single fire only, the Argentinian Army had theirs on Automatic, which Military experts have said that after the third shot makes in an Anti-Aircraft gun. I've never fired one, but in the game I like the controlled fire of the FAL, of it would just fire like another AK.-Km314&lt;br /&gt;
:But it shoots way too slowly ingame to be of much use. They should have made it shoot in bursts of 2-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 04:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::From what I experienced in Multiplayer, it's powerful, it would be way to powerful if it was full auto, I think Infinity ward was going for a thing like they did in CoD4 with the G3. 1:21, 13 November 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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:I dunno whats with all the fuss, I love the FAL in MW2. Sure auto would have been fun, but it's hugely accurate and powerful, not to mention long ranged. A Holo sight makes it a perfect AR, and an ACOG pretty much makes it competition for the EBR. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, and I sort of expected firing mode switches in MW2, but I guess not. But really, the FAL would be ridiculous on full-auto man. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tacticool-ness ==&lt;br /&gt;
Well, this game is awesome and all, but i hate the fact that they made it to be a HALO knock-off. Dual wielding? Glock 18s? God, this there ever going to be a game that gets Special Ops right? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, because the average person doesn't know dick about guns or the military-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 02:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I really thought that it would be a badass fucking game, which it is, but they made it just too fucking...tacticool. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Its what happens when they cater to mall ninjas, dual g18s, dual deegs, dual sawn offs.... and the plot made no sense. Price launching a nuke, sheperd going bad, i love how the start of the game has sheperd just standing there without body armor in a war zone where the loliest terrorist could pick him off.... k9870[[User:K9870|K9870]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, anyone who can get a M1911 Authorized carries one-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 20:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But most generals of today, especially a Lieutenant General would NOT be standing out on the front lines or strongly recommended not to. What is a Lt. General doing in Afghanistan anyway? The game also took out a lot of the old guns in the previous MW game [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not to mention they chose what's essentially a wallhanger sniper rifle (WA2000) over a number of battle-proven designs (M24, M110, even the L96A1 that Counter-Strike players seem to be so in love with). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would rather use my Winchester 88, shooting Hornady Custom .308's, over any of those rifles-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 04:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree that the WA2000 was a Stupid choice. That rifles has custom wood stocks and high quality handbuilt precision, and isn't meant for combat use. The only non magnum or anti-material sniper is the M21 EBR, which has a wrongly animated 20-round mag that only holds ten rounds. They dropped the M40, R700 and Dragunov, and gave beginners the Barrett .50 cal. I'm not the best sniper, but I wouldn't have minded a nice bolt action rifle thats not chambered in a massive round. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::No, Dragunov is still in the game. As far as dropping the M40, it would seem logical to do so considering there are no US Marines in MW2. And having the R700 as a separate weapon than the M40 was just pointless, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Glock 18 with red dot ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hey if anybody plans to use a G18 with a red dot sight without a silencer I just wanted to tell you that using a G18 in this configuration is a bad idea, the muzzle flash of the gun on full-auto is so large that it actually blocks the view of the dot so much that you can barely see the dot&lt;br /&gt;
:Glock 18s were already a bad move. and put three ~ at the end of your text to show your name. like so: -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I have to agree, without the silencer used the G18s muzzle flash ruins your sight picture, not to mention it has zero range and horrid accuracy.[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
Ok thanks for telling me how to put my name on a page, and the G18 is an ok gun, I mean the gun tisn't that accurate when you do a full clip 33 round burst, but it is a good close quarters gun because you can hose down an enemy in about two seconds, and I sometimes use it to pin down other players because they think that I am using an MG and when the gun runs out of ammo and they jump out of cover I spray them with a real MG. [[User:Korean war marine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Glock 18s don't use clips, they use magazines. And I agree with Winchester and M14fanboy, Glock 18 (along with Desert Eagle and Magnum revolver) was a bad choice. Heck, I'd take a Mark 23 over any of them in a combat op any day. They should put in actual ''combat pistols'', not mall ninja favorites. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:They also removed the 1911 from multiplayer. That is just bull shit. I was hoping for a P226 or something from SIG since we got so many British characters or Browning Hi-powers.  [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I had Hi-Power hopes as well, or possible the 226. But a Colt Anaconda and Desert Eagle, I thought this was military, not ghetto. The only good handguns really are the USP and the M93R, which is like a mini-M16. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I've said this before and I'll say it again that this is a ''war'' game, so they should have dropped the Desert Eagle, Anaconda, and Glock 18 for actual ''combat pistols'' like the aforementioned Hi-Power, 226, and 1911. Heck, I even had hopes that that new Russian service pistol (MR-446 Grach, I think it's called) would make an appearance, but my hopes were all for naught. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I know man, it's dperessing to see a WAR game with nothing but stupid magnum handguns firing ridicilously large rounds. Theres a total of two legit combat pistols, the USP and M9, and while I haven't used the USP I can say the M9 is shite. DLC pistols pl0x! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:They just watch too many movies. But then again a lot of issued guns now do have rails. That's how the Marines Corp get their M4s and M16A4s now [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::All firearms in the near future (aside from oddballs like the XM8) ''will'' have Picatinny rails. Modularity is the wave of the future. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This is one of the many minor lazy details they could have done. Like for the ACR. I know for a FACT that the ACR's bolt release switch is in front of the trigger. It was designed so when you insert a fresh mag, all you have to do is press forward on the release right in front of the trigger! But instead, if you are empty, you insert new mag and then with your FIRING HAND, take it off the pistol grip and pull the charging handle back! One, no soldier would is RIGHT handed would taken their trigger hand off the grip unless they need it to fix a malfunction. They would use their NON firing hand to pull the charging handle since the charging handle and in fact the entire RIFLE was built for both hands to operate. But no, IW wanted us to waste precious seconds to see the wrong hand pull the charging handle. I got shot so many times using the ACR when I am empty completely because I can't just press the bolt catch with my trigger finger as the gun was DESIGNED to! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To add more fuel to the rant fire, the Glock 18 is an ok gun, I'll admit that in small bursts. But when you reload, you don't press the slide release, which would make getting back into action faster, but instead you're treated to your character pulling the slide back! This is only good for range shooting a Glock, since the slide release is pretty weak, factory wise, but in combat, pulling back the slide takes too much time, in fact, there's a couple seconds delay when reloading an empty Glock. That's why I try to not reload empty weapons. Always mid magazine change. It'll save fustraions for you watching your character take his damn time reloading and doing unneeded things like pulling the slide back or in the ACR's case, use right hand instead of left hand instead of pressing trigger finger forward. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And even MORE nitpicking. Look at how they attached the M203 on a Tavor in the game! I've seen what an M203 with a Tavor looks like in real life and it works ergonomicially but the way IW did it in this game makes it look stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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its a game and just about every gamer you come across wont know about weapons like i have been telling people about the screw ups and they said if they did not give it a name they would have just called the m93r a machine pistol and most people i know call assault rifles machine guns. -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah I too noticed on the ACR how they made the unnecessary action of charging it and all that when, like they did with the SCAR and M4, they could just push bolt release, which would probably decrease reload time in the game. but hey, maybe the did it cause it would &amp;quot;look cool&amp;quot; - Whatsagun&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well at least for the M4 and SCAR, they are slapping the bolt release on the side of the gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Back to the mocked up Glock 18, I think all videos on youtube never show full auto Glock's reloading. Just one magazine and &amp;quot;The End&amp;quot;. But there was this one video on youtube called 298 rounds in full auto and it showed this guy with a mocked up Glock 18 not using the slide release lever, just pulling back the slide. With this video close to 5,000,000 views it's quite obvious IW got there ideas from that video.&lt;br /&gt;
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:In response to that, I keep saying that most people target shooting with a lot of their guns would pull back the slide instead of pressing the slide release because every time they press down on it, it degrades it more and more. In a combat situation, you shouldn't be thinking about that if you are rushing to reload. If you are on the range, pissing bullets, then you do the pull slide back. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I wanna nitpick on the gun selection in this game.  I'm sure they did this to expand the number of guns used, but some of their choices just kinda irk me.  For instance, why does the Russian military use FAMAS, Tavor TAR-21, MG4, UMP, TDI Vectors, PP2000, AUG, AK's and RPD's?  Seriously, TAR-21's?  Israel doesn't even really like Russia right now, considering that they're selling weapons to people who want to destroy them.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 09:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well the AKs, RPD and PP2000 are obviously Russian weapons, but I hate that they didn't give them AK-74 type weapons, but all 47s instead. The Russian military doesn't use AK-47s anymore. They've switched to the smaller rounds. They also had the Russians during the Wolverine mission with FALs. IW obviously didn't know a thing about Russian military of today and didn't want to just give them all AKs, so they slapped them with a bunch of other guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Wait a minute, aren't russians in the Wolverines mission ultranationalists? Because if they are the terrorist ones then they can have any gun they want.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No they're the russian army.  I'm guessing that you haven't played the game (spoiler) as it is the russian army paratroopers invading the east coast of the U.S. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 02:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, I have to agree that it seems that IW knows jack-shit about firearms, just like most everyone else in the world, unfortunately. An FN rifle with a reciprocating charging handle? Come on. [[Special:Contributions/70.196.44.211|70.196.44.211]] 01:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:At least they didn't make the single player M16A4 a full auto weapon and made it burst. That one's ok. And seriously, if they were modeling their guns off of airsofts, or even real ones, how can they fuck up with the SCAR's rear flip up sight? It's very hard to miss where it folds. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:There's also a silenced AA-12 in one, too. But like you, I'm not to sure about how feasible the silencing of a shotgun is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:They probably got the idea off the suppressed Remington 11-87 in No Country for Old Men. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 04:30, 16 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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When EMPs emitted from nuclear explosions they effectively send a massive charge through any electrical cable. To be more specific, an EMP is composed of three things. The E1 components of EMPs have an intense electric field that induces very high voltages in electrical conductors. The E2 components act like the EMPs from lightning, but as a result are also easily protected against. An ACOG, however, is certainly not protected from this. The E3 component acts like a geomagnetic storm, which produces even more geomagnetically induced currents in electrical conductors, which damages electric components. While it is true that the ACOG uses tritium versus a battery, this does not change the fact that it uses electrical conductors (cables) to connect parts. The EMP would fry the ACOG, regardless of its power source. Besides, batteries use electrochemical energy, so there's nothing different in the battery from everything else in the ACOG except for some salt. The fact that the ACOG should not have been affected by the EMP should be removed. --[[User:Strategos|Strategos]] 19:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== TMP or MP9? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi. Just wondering about the labeling on the MW2 page. The game calls it a &amp;quot;TMP&amp;quot;, but on the MW2 page it's labeled as an MP9. Since they look the same, why bother calling it the MP9 when it is in fact the TMP? -KLR&lt;br /&gt;
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:Because the MP9 is the newer version of the TMP. I do believe Bruger and Thomet took over production from Steyr, who no longer makes it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walther WA 2000 screenshot==&lt;br /&gt;
Did someone have fun or is this an unedited screenshot from the game?  If you look at the scope you can see an unhappy sick face painted on the scope cover.  I have yet to use this gun, so I don't know.  My money is on someone having fun. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 09:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thats the emblem used for a certain class of accolades, and a comedic effect as well. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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stop lieing to the guy. yes it does have a sick face painted on the cover its more noticeable on the WA2000 theres one on the barrett M102(idk the spelling or the number) aswell but its hard to see. theres none on the intervention or the M21 EBR.  - Scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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It is impossible in real life to fire and handle an L85A1 LSW with a 100 round drum magazine? --[[User:Dangerman 1973|Dangerman 1973]] 15:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also the drum in the game model doesn't make sense. That's surely not big enough tohold 100 rounds, looks more like 50 to me. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Either way you'd still get a face full of hot brass firing left handed. Which may probve to be a problem if I decide to enlist... [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: There's a theory of mine that in the very early parts of development, the L86 was going to be in the AUG's slot and the L86 now was going to be the Chinese Type 95 LMG. The AUG was apparently going as an Assault rifle as people initially thought. To me, the Drum magazine looks very similar to that of Type 95 LMG, maybe sometime mid-development they decided to change it to something else and merely slapped the Drum magazine on there? [[User:Draco122|Draco122]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that the SCAR that is in the game is actually chambered in 5.56.  I say this because it holds 30 rounds and after the helicopter is shot down in DC you are given a mag for an M4 from Sgt. Foley who has a SCAR.  I think they had the SCAR replacing the M16 as the main battle rifle of the U.S. Military with the M16A4 being used for the reserve troops.  They probably used the SCAR H model to make it look cooler.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The SCAR in the game isn't chambered in anything because it is a video game. Also if I am not mistaken IMFDB policy in regards to videogames is to identify guns purely by looks, not by any specifications. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No its the Mk. 17 as evidenced by the larger flash suppressor. Infinity Ward probably created a 30 round mag to keep it more like an assault rifle than the battle rifle it is. Also the soldier who gives you the M4 dies and the clip could be from him. &lt;br /&gt;
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:''Magazine'', not clip. And I thought there had been a 30 round magazine introduced for use with the M14 rifle a few years ago? Last I heard, the Mark 17 still used M14 mags. And, while this may not be the best of arguments here, the Mark 17 in-game has heavier recoil than either the M16 or M4 and generally seems more effective at longer ranges than the M4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It only has the 30 round magazine in single player, incorrectly, but in multiplayer, it has the 20 round. A lot of the weapons in multiplayer is correct but still, IW did miss a few things, like the rear iron sight for the SCAR is supposed to fold down towards the user, not away. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Regarding the rear sight... someone on IW's forum actually pointed that out to them sometime prior to the game's release, but they didn't do anything. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm confused. We have the title of the handgun called an SB, then a photo of a 92FS and then in the description, it's called an M9. Which one is it? Isn't the game trying to portray an M9 since it's military use? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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it should be cleened up. well im guessing that some one that only knows of the 92FS the civil version of the M9 (what its suposed to be) posted it&lt;br /&gt;
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== Combat Knife ==&lt;br /&gt;
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-If it's the same one that shows up in the sneak type missions I believe its a Blackhawk Tatang or SZABO FELONY STOP.  --Pawnstar&lt;br /&gt;
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:Looks like it's the Tatang.  It is DEFINITELY NOT the Szabo Felony Stop.  Thanks for the help, chief.  --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:36, 12 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Well, they look exactly alike, from the design of the blade to the look of the grip.  The dimensions may be a tiny bit off, but that's not all that surprising.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 21:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The melee knife, throwing knife and tactical knife are all different, IIRC. Easiest way to see the knife is to throw one and look at it. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i sware someone edited my post? i originally said that the one in SP is not a tatang the blade and grip a different shaped from what i remember. the one online is a tatang and the melee knife is a tatang im not sure about the tac knife the next time im on il check. il post a pic of the final one soon -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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There are actually only two knifes, Soap's at the end (not sure what it is), and the Tatang, which is the melee/throwing/tac knife/the one Soap and Price stab the guards with when they rappel down and when Price stabs the guy at the top of the stairs in Just Like Old Times&lt;br /&gt;
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Is the AUG supposed to be the equivalent of the FG42 from WAW? --[[User:Phil|Phil]] 22:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:What do you mean &amp;quot;equivalent&amp;quot;? I know what the word means, I just don't know how it applies here. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why would you compare a WWII weapon to a modern rifle? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe he's asking if they fill the same role? I know the AUG Hbar classifies more or less as an infantry automatic rifle, intended to function as a magazine-fed light support weapon. Was this the FG42's role? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From what I understand the FG42 was designed to give paratroopers a rifle that would replace the Kar 98, MP-40, MG-42, and their pistols in airbourne jumps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FG42 gives you a good idea. Grizzlybar&lt;br /&gt;
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I think he means the M82 (Barrett .50 Cal) is to the PTRS-41 as the AUG Hbar is to the FG42. Understand now? And to answer your question, Phil, no I don't think so for two reasons. They both perform differently, especially in terms or recoil and magazine capacity. Second, Treyarch likes to copy Infinty Ward, not the other way around. It's not like IW to take an idea from Treyarch.[[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 04:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't say that at all. The HBAR has a 42 round magazine, the FG42 a mere 20. Also, in WaW the FG42 has a stupidly high ROF which burns the mag if you cough on your controller. The AUG is more accurate and has a better ROF, not to mention it looks better IMO. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm not too sure on how feasible silencing a shotgun is either. Either way, suppressed shotguns seem to me like the in-game equivalent of bringing an airsoft to a gunfight: USELESS. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The only way you can silence a shotgun is by porting the barrel and installing an integrated suppressor. And it never will be as quiet as portraid in the game. There is a vid on ytube where one gentleman show his silenced shotguns.&lt;br /&gt;
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well at least they didn't screw it up compleatly and put suppressors on the 1887s [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 03:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Shush! Don't give them any ideas! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It's kind of strange that suppressed shotguns are more quieter than other suppressed weapons. I believe that suppressed shotuns are added to replace the suppressed ACRs in the Spec Ops missions based on stealth missions in the campaign as a silenced ACR would make Spec Ops way too easy since that its rate of fire, large magazine size, and moderate damage could allow the player to take out a huge amount of enemy guards without alerting them. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 20:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== GP-30 reload ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As you know, russian under-barrel grenade lauchers (GP series) shoots caseless rounds. But why the f character in MW games feels the need to shake something (shellcase?) out of the bore after each shot? How could IW let such harsh technical inaccuracy in both modern warfare games? I could assume that this was done for balance sake, but why not just make longer but proper looking animation.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like you said, it was done for balance. IW was more concerned with &amp;quot;fair play&amp;quot; unfortunately. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I just thought that it would be better if they left the ejection animation out and extended the time duration of the animation of putting the new round in. That way, it makes the game more realistic ''and'' balanced. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 21:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::True. I mentioned the same above. But the thing is that this game was aimed at mass gamer audience most of which know donkey dick about weaponry and, in particularly, some Russian muzzle-loaded under-barrel gls. Neither they know that 1 cartrige stays up the pipe when you reload mid-mag. IW is a money shovelers now. Too much disappointments for me. I don't buy their games anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Very true. Even ''I'' didn't know how the GP launchers functioned up until a few years ago. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:36, 16 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== art book scans? ==&lt;br /&gt;
hey i was just wondering does any one know where i could find some scans of the art book from the prestige ed if someone could upload then a post a link or find a link to a nother site thats would be great thanks [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 03:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thanks mystery person [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 08:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Funny, my artbook doesn't have pics of SCARs or MG4s in it... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Removing Sights ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was wondering how hard it would be to remove mounted sights (like the acog, HALO sight, red dot sights, etc) from the top of the rails on a battlefield.  I'm sure it would require tools, but would soldiers be required to carry these tools?  I was just wondering because with the EMP blast, when the battery powered optics become useless, how hard would it be to remove those sights and use the backup sights?  Aren't the backup sights there in case something does happen to the attached sights?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::No way! If you could adjust your weapon on the go (like in Crysis, Stalker), it would be just too complex for a game like CoD. &lt;br /&gt;
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:No. The point of mounting an optic onto a system is to not require tools (although I'm not too sure about the HALO sight). Many of the mounts use thumb-screws that you tighten by using your hands. It's not as tight as using a wrench, but in in  emergencies, this makes them easier to remove. As of the back-up sights, I'm afraid IW uses them only for aesthetic purposes, and prove no purpose. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 21:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, no special tools are needed to remove any of those optics. Just twist a thumbscrew or flip a throw lever (depending on type of mount), pull it off, and you're good to go. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks.  Just been wondering.  I don't expect games like COD to be all that realistic (given the plot and the characters ability to regenerate health from near death).  Was just wondering how difficult it was in reality.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 16:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The stupid part of the EMP was that the ACOG scopes were not on. ACOGs don't use batteries to light up their sights. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, that's an embarrassing error. They could do a spectacular animation showing player (and some of his squad-mates) dismount their sights, throw it away, flip up buis' and remark how it fucking sucks. Those in team with ACOGs on their pieces would leave them and have greater accuracy.  Also they could insert some comic conversation between rangers, like: &amp;quot;Dud, I told you ACOG rules, brah&amp;quot;. And of course player could find rifle equipped with it.&lt;br /&gt;
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its surprising how many ignorant people there are i nearly got in a full argument with someone  a few days back over the fact he claimed (and still believes) ALL ACOG sights sorry he thinks ALL sights apart from iron sights are powered by battery i guess thats why he looked puzzled when i started laughing at him i guess IW is just a group of ignorant people that should do more research [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 10:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And their military advisers are as ignorant.&lt;br /&gt;
:::I doubt they even have a military adviser. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:a lot of sights can be co witnessed, where you can still use your irons looking through the sight when off // disabled.  Hell often times the dot in the sight lines up with your front sight post.  -stu&lt;br /&gt;
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So out of all the ways Infinity Ward took a crap on realism with MW2 we're complaining about the ACOG turning off...? [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 12:08, 26 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I would close eyes on bullshit perks and story, if they made everything from the technical side at least look properly.&lt;br /&gt;
::::I'm not just talking about perks and storyline or even technical stuff. How about the ability to single-handedly breach into a room with a 37-pound .50 caliber rifle and kill 4 armed men in 2.5 seconds using 4 rounds. Or maybe the fact that every freaking weapon has a full rail system on it, even in the hands of ragtag militia in Brazil and Afghanistan. Or maybe how I can squeeze 30 rounds out of a 20 round SCAR-H mag. Maybe it's the fact I can run around with 2 UMP-45's and reload them by putting them at my side for a second or two. It's probably really the fact that the M240B has very similar, if not the same attributes of the M249 SAW from COD 4 despite the fact it uses a drastically more powerful round, weighs more, and has a slower fire rate in reality. It could just be how you can take out everyone while firing a fully automatic Glock pistol (mislabeled as a G18) with one hand while driving a snowmobile over a giant cliff with the other. Rant finished. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 04:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
from what I understand the SCAR-H uses M14 mags and to my knowledge there are 30 round mags for the M14. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm not sure on that, but even if that is true the in-game model is unquestionably a 20-round mag. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 20:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
that being said you should notice that the FAL has 30 round mags yet only 20 rounds in them.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, that's weird, in the Singpleplayer, the FAL has 30 rounds, which is correct, but for some reason in Multiplayer, they gave it 20 for no good reason. The SCAR-H is correct in multi with 20 rounds, but not in single [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Yeah, and all the kids would be screaming and crying at &amp;quot;FAL noobs&amp;quot;. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm more annoyed about the tubers because the game promotes the use of grenade launchers to unlock the shotgun attachment a 203 kill counts as a kill to the rifle it is attached to [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Screenshot location==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know where in the game was this screenshot taken?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mw2_1911_ego_idle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M1911 in ego-view.]]&lt;br /&gt;
It seems to defeat the &amp;quot;it's only usable in bonus mission&amp;quot; bit. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:16, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it's the museum level. There's a diorama of the prison mission, complete with helicopters. The picture if just confusing because you can't see that it's just a diorama. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Desert Eagle Picattiny Rail ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I FOUND IT! Magnum Research offers a barrel with Picattiny rails: http://magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=BAR506 [[User:Yocapo32]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Next Call of Duty games ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you think they should do a Korean war and Vietnam War Call of Duty?&lt;br /&gt;
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It's confirmed by Activision that Treyarch will be making the next COD and it will be Vietnam [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gold Desert Eagle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't have the game but I saw some videos of the new maps and the player had a Gold Desert Eagle. Can someone tell me about it?&lt;br /&gt;
:It's just like any other Desert Eagle aside from having a gold finish. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well how do you get it on this one?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 13:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It can be accessed trought hacks. But moderators are gonna kick you in the ass, throw your Xbox Live (Or whatever) account to a hole, dump gasoline on it, then throw a cigar in the hole --[[Special:Contributions/190.176.201.179|190.176.201.179]] 01:57, 23 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Probably saving it for a $10 DLC.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:43, 25 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== F-15? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am wondering. Since this game is supposed to portray a near future military using customized guns, guns that aren't in normal military because they look cool, etc. In the mission the Gulag, we are supported by a flight of F-15s. It bothered me. If the creators wanted us to portray a more movie action pack scene, shouldn't the F22s, or F35s be more appropriate for the scene since they are the &amp;quot;fighters of the future&amp;quot;? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:08, 29 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: The F-15's projected to be in service until 2025, eleven years after the game is set. Although using F-35Cs would make the whole shtick about the Navy make more sense. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Have to agree with you there.  The F-35 would make more sense and by the same token...why are they still using AH-6 Little Birds in the &amp;quot;future&amp;quot;? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:35, 29 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I know that fighters, weapons, uniforms, have long service life with project dates for when they should be replaced, but the F-15 appearing put me off that they might be trying to throw back realism, that just because it's the future, we're showing you F-15s anyway, because anything else would have been throwing in a fighter that's more &amp;quot;futuristic&amp;quot; like in Transformers where Starscream is a F22 and in Die Hard 4, we see an F-35. Though like you pointed out, an F-35 would have made scene in a scene that would require them to not doing strafing runs, but cover the troops landing. And about the Little Birds. They are also still using Blackhawks, unless you know any particular &amp;quot;future&amp;quot; replacement for either, I'd see them using them in the game. But I wonder why little birds in a mission like this. Little Birds are short range, not like the Blackhawks, which would have made more sense, but then again your character and Soap was using them as a sniper platform. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:None of us have spotted the main problem(s) here. 1. F-15Cs doing ground attacks. The C model is an air superiority fighter. The E would be assisting ground forces. 2. It is stated (or implied) that this is a naval operation, so why F-15s? Surely FA-18s wouldn't be too radically different to spoil whatever effect they were aiming for?&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
After I played that level, I thought up a question that I couldn't answer: if they didn't know Allen's real identity in the first place, then would they try to support a lie that Makarov's forces are supported by Americans by using NATO weapons since that the weapons they're using are NATO weapons? I mean, if they do that, then it would be stupid as the Russians can believe that they stole those weapons. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 04:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Don't forget that, in the setting of this game, the ultranationalists rule in Russia. This guys hate the USA, not only because of their involvement in the civil war depicted in CoD4:MW. All Makarov wants to give them is a cause they can present to the world, he doesn't have to convince the Russians, they want a war, anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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==F2000 Patch==&lt;br /&gt;
So Recently I tried to get back into using the F2000, and oddly it felt like it handled better now. Well I talked to a friend of mine who did MW2 Beta testing and is friends with Robert Bowling, and no word to lie, I actually caused this fix. About a month ago I sent Bowling an email outlining how and why he should fix the F2000 and me it worthy of being a level 60 rifle. Well my friend said that Bowling actually listened, and so in the patch that came with the Resurgence Map Pack, the F2000 had a recoil reduction and damage boost built into it. And now this weekend I've been using the F2000 more, and while the recoil still isn't ACR like, it's a lot easier to use, and now worthy of being a high level unlock. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Have they fixed the broken silencers? Or does the M9 and M240 still show up on radar?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hard to say, I didn't even know they were broken like that, so maybe. Lately I've been using the LMGs more, and I still wish the SAW from CoD 4 would return. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I rarely use suppressors on anything. Sometimes, on the Glocks I carry and sometimes on the sniper rifles. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I rarely use a suppressor on my SCAR if I'm doing a cold blooded class, as it can do well without stopping power. But usually it's my trusty SCAR-H with Holographic and Blue Tiger with a Gripped SPAS-12 secondary. Also, I have a silencer on my UMP in my cold blooded anti-air class. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Broken Silencers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkbs4zktJtQ&amp;amp;annotation_id=annotation_775038&amp;amp;feature=iv --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:More broken shit in MW2 for the win! Great job Infinity Ward, is this patch 1.11 now? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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glad i sold this for the 40 dollar trade in, IW is useless, the first patch was to neuter the truly awesome 1887s. the only patch i wanted wa sone that would end matchmaking and let me play the friggin game instead of searching lobbies for 10 minutes.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I played World at War all day today, owning with my M1919 and M1A1, then I hop on MW2 for a bit and just hate it up. Damn it, I'm at the edge of selling MW2. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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If your refering to the carbine its just a M1 Carbine. The M1A1 is the folding stock paratrooper variant. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Trust me, it's worth selling. I used the money from selling MW2 and other cash to buy Bad Co. 2&lt;br /&gt;
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Bad Company is good, but the story is not as funny as the first game. They are trying to match MW2 in how gritty it is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Red Dot Sight==&lt;br /&gt;
I was playing  online, and was using the red dot sight , and was wondering what model red dot it is.     PunisherDave&lt;br /&gt;
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I think its a C-more -Double Agent M&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure they aren't C-more's, C-mores more longer in the shape. This is what a C-more looks like http://www.americanshootersedge.com/sti/SteelMaster/images/SteelMaster08_Main.jpg.&lt;br /&gt;
It's most likely some kind of common mini reflex sight (Yea C-more's are mini reflex sights but long) But then again im no sight guy. Over and out - Noe&lt;br /&gt;
::They appear to be Doctor red dot sights, I believe. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sounds 'bout right. - [[User:Noe|Noe]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks like a cross between a C-More style sight and a Docter-style sight. It's a fair bit bigger than a regular Docter sight, which is usually mounted onto an ACOG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think so. They probably got the size wrong or it's just the view from first-person. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cpl Dunn's SCAR charging animation wrong ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the mission &amp;quot;Of their own Accord&amp;quot;, you wake up underground and explore the place, and right before you get out, you see Dunn being tossed his SCAR by someone. The NPC then pulls the charging handle, but instead of reaching for the left side, which is where the charging handle is on a SCAR, he pulls the rear back, which is nothing but air. Apparently the animators screwed up and mixed the M4's charging handle animation with the SCAR's. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its because people normally don't notice that kind of thing. In Call of Duty 2: Big Red One all the NPCs reload their gun like a M1 Garand.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Something I noticed in both this game and COD4==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't know why, but this always seemed to bug me: When you reload a assualt rifle in-game (for example the M4A1), how are the dropping the clip out of the gun without, you know, physically removing it? That always confused me on how they did it (and YES i know its a game, but i seen a few people in real life do the same thing) -[[SeanWolf]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The M4 and M16 series of weapons have a mag release button, much like on a handgun.  Push the button, the mag falls out.  What I had a question on was how they reloaded the G36 without using the left hand for the paddle release.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think for the G36, you COULD just press the mag release down and kinda shake the mag out. But for rifles like the M16/M4, the magazine goes straight up into the gun and if it is a smooth and clear mag, it should drop right out if you press it, letting gravity do the work. Sometimes it might get a little stuck and sometimes it drops too slowly and you'll have to actually rip it out of the gun or fling it out. AK, M-14s, G3s are some of the kinds of rifles that have a kind of HOOK on the mags and when you change mags, you have to unhook the mag from the gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The G3 is really a HK91 which has a push button on the right side of the gun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:What G3? There isn't a G3 in this game [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I was refering to how the G3 reloaded in CoD4&lt;br /&gt;
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==Winchester 1887's akimbo==&lt;br /&gt;
Is there any point in single player that the Winchester 1887s can be wielded akimbo or is this limited to only multiplayer? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It's limited to only multiplayer for balancing reasons. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:36, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The level where you're escaping from Rio you can get dual winchesters. You can also get dual Rangers and dual G18s.  Its something of a random event as it depends on the equipment of the AI and where their weapon's drop when you kill them.  I dont recomend TRYING to set up two guys and they dropping them because that tends to equal death and frustration.&lt;br /&gt;
-Double Agent M&lt;br /&gt;
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== M79 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The M79/Thumper in the game has a wooden stock, not a black stock, That needs to be changed please.&lt;br /&gt;
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== TMP ==&lt;br /&gt;
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the makers of call of duty stated that the apparant B&amp;amp;T MP9 is a Steyr TMP not a MP9. but the TMP is out of service therefore replaced by the MP9, so why have they called it TMP?--[[User:Gunfeldbach|Gunfeldbach]] 01:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well technically, the TMP is no longer made, but it may still be in use, a lot of weapons have remained in service for some time after manufacture of the weapon was ceased. Although being &amp;quot;modern&amp;quot; warfare, you would indeed think they would have used the newer MP9 in the game instead. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 08:57, 5 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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its a Steyr TMP not a MP9 so it needs to be changed--[[User:Gunfeldbach|Gunfeldbach]] 18:05, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think it should be changed, as the actual gun is an MP9. The fact that they call it a TMP and have stated that it is a TMP does not matter, as the gun that they have actually modelled it on is an MP9, as noted by the top rail, rear sight design and the extended lower reciever with folding stock. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 00:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We ID guns based on what the model IS, rather than what the creators SAY it's supposed to be.  You can't find those rails and that folding stock on a regular TMP. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 01:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Zombieland&amp;diff=362614</id>
		<title>Talk:Zombieland</title>
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		<updated>2010-12-04T18:57:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;: This movie looks promising-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 00:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC) (S&amp;amp;Wshooter)&lt;br /&gt;
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-woody's gun-&lt;br /&gt;
Is likely a puma model 92 &amp;quot;bounty hunter&amp;quot; with a standard level installed. It is probably also in 45LC. This is backed up by 44-40 being a semi bottlenecked round, the ones in the movie all looked straight walled. &lt;br /&gt;
::Good call, but unfortunately incorrect.  Though very similar, the Puma has a longer barrel and longer stock.  Tallahasse's gun is definitely a Mare's leg.  I've carefully compared images of those guns and movie stills and it is not the Puma M-92 Bounty Hunter.  But definitely a reasonable guess. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Poster error==&lt;br /&gt;
:I think a double barreled lever gun would be pretty cool-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: It's only cool if it works.  So how would a lever action double barreled shotgun work?  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The same way Bob Barker hasn't turned into dust: magic-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 20:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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google remington 1740 for a double barrel pump action.&lt;br /&gt;
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The rounds form the MP7 are meant for penetration of body armor. wouldn't that be ineffectual against zombies?&lt;br /&gt;
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:It would be like shooting a person in the head with an AP round-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 01:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I figure that an MP7A1 might be advantageous in a situation such as a zombie outbreak. From what I can remember, the 4.6mm rounds tumble when entering the body, thus increasing the trauma delivered to tissue. Additionally, figure that the recoil of the MP7A1 would be soft compared to a number of other automatic weapons, which would enable more rapid yet aimed semi-automatic fire. the weight of the weapon in conjunction with the balance of the weapon allow it to be used in one hand, albeit with drastically reduced accuracy, but the option is there. The high-capacity magazine is light enough that you could carry a number of them. from what I gather, the weapon is very reliable, and as it is quite likely that production facilities would be abandoned, replacement parts would be limited, thus reliability would be a valued commodity. The weapon has enough accuracy and range to hit a pretty small target at about 200 meters. The optics could be replaced depending on the situation at hand, due to the rail on the weapon. the only downsides that i could think of would be that ammunition and magazines would be limited, given that the round is unique for the weapon at this time. [[User:W190009637|W190009637]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::good point&lt;br /&gt;
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::::incidentally, i am in the process of making an informal zombie survival guide that i have been working on for over a year now. it is at 20 pages, and still growing, with almost 200 individual items that i would like to obtain in the wasteland should i somehow survive. [[User:W190009637|W190009637]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Or you could just use a .22 and buy Max Brook's &amp;quot;The Zombie Survival Guide&amp;quot;-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 06:06, 3 October 2009&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Or buy yourself a gun that doesn't require you to stand directly in front of a zombie, say a 9mm or something, and discount the Zombie Survival Guide's firearm section entirely (Which contradicts itself on multiple occasions). - Anonymous&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Hmm, depends on what kind of zombies you're dealing with. Since traditional zombies can only be killed by destruction of the brain, &amp;quot;stopping power&amp;quot; is rather irrelevant (all that's required is the necessary force to penetrate the skull and destroy the brain). The 'zombies' in Zombieland, on the other hand, are probably still alive, they're just mad cannibals because of the 'mutated mad cow disease' they're said to be infected with. If that's the case, they can probably be killed by the same wounds that would be fatal to normal humans (indeed, this seems to be the case) and so stopping power is still relevant.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Also, while Max Brooks' novels are entertaining (I really liked ''World War Z'') I lost all respect for the advice on firearms in the ZSG when I read the passage that stated that the M16 is the worst assault rifle and the AK47 is the best. Okay, he didn't state that viewpoint as fact, but he went the weasel words route and wrote &amp;quot;many consider&amp;quot; that to be the case, which is almost as bad in my opinion, since anyone who is of that opinion is clearly ignorant. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 14:43, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Max Brooks knows jack shit about firearms and Military Equipment. Enough said.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Max Brooks knows jack shit about anything, really.  You want a good zombie killing combo?  USE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.  Unless you have something retarded like a 20MM rifle.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Real good point! This probably sounds very stereotypical but I'd probably use a shotgun for the good stopping power, the increased chance to hit a vital area with each shot, their relative ease of use, and shotguns along hunting rifles are the most available guns in my country (Denmark). In the event of a Zombie apocalypse I'd probable raid a hunting store for gear. If you've got a hunting license here you can get rifles and shotguns up to a max of 25. My grandpa has a .22 a .308 an O/U 12 gauge and a Maverick 88 12 gauge pumper.--[[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 18:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i have the max brooks book and he makes some serious errors in firearms. he says a good rifle is an M1 carbine. yeah maybe... if it were 1944. i would get an mp5, glock and SA80 mainly becausein britain they are standard firearms for police and armed forces&lt;br /&gt;
::well, i have a spanish version of the book, and talks about pistols and revolvers like if they were the same, and for example a revolver can´t jam. Many revolvers are made for hunting, like the s&amp;amp;w 460 and 500 or a revolver in .454 casull. I mean, you can use a good pistol/revolver as a carabine. And finally i found hilarious too his way of describe the m1. He talks like if it were The Colt from supernatural!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Continuity error==&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that the two 1911s are a continuty error I think he just ran out of 9MM and had another back up pistol, Because it looked like he had more 1911 Magazines than Sig Sauer mags.&lt;br /&gt;
::And you're basing this on what?  The film never showed him with three guns.  They only established him with two.  If he did pull out a third handgun, it was not shown in the film.  So that is purely a guess based on seeing more M1911 magazines than SIG ones, which he would need to have since the M1911 mags were single stack and the SIGs were double stack. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Good point but you have to remember he has to fire more 9mm rounds to do the job of a .45acp jk.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that the Sig is a full sized p226&lt;br /&gt;
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==New images==&lt;br /&gt;
Are any of these bootlegs?  I expect an answer from those members who uploaded them.  The DVD is not out yet so anything NOT from the trailer.  If I don't get a confirmation that they are not from bootleg, and this includes bit torrent downloads, then they will be Deleted.  Only caps from the authorized DVD are allowed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I didn't upload them, but I know for a fact that the official DVD has not been released yet.  It comes out 2/2/10 here in the US.  That Norinco pick looks like it was played off a DVDrip/Torrent, and it needs to get the fuck outta here.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Thank you.  It's gone.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88 shotgun? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Just a thought, is it possible that this could be a Maverick 88 rather than a Mossberg 500?&lt;br /&gt;
They are both essentially the same weapons except the Mossberg has a top mounted safety on top of the receiver and the Maverick 88 has one mounted on the trigger guard. Taking a look at the 3rd picture, I'm not seeing a receiver mounted safety, also both of the guns are manufactured by the same company and use the same accessories. (Just a thought)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whichita?==&lt;br /&gt;
What is the little rifle used by Little Rock? -- Anonymous&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like a Winchester Model 1890 22 caliber pump action rifle, but it also looks new so it might be a Taurus Thunderbolt rifle. Which is a larger caliber version of the 1890. It was designed by John Browning. Here is a link to the Taurus version. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:43, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.taurususa.com/Rifles.cfm?toggle=tf&lt;br /&gt;
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According to the main page, it's a Taurus 62C, which actually seems to be a clone of a Winchester Model 62 that is it's namesake.  http://homesteadfirearms.com/cart2/cartimages/product/323win62whole.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
You're Taurus Thunderbolt seems to actually be a clone of a Colt Lightning rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Talahasse's armoury==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last showdown talahasse has somethig sheathed between the pair of shotguns on his back. ANYONE KNOW WHAT IT IS, COULD JUST BE A KNIFE OR MACHETE? Woops lent on caps there, sorry - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes it's a machete. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like the handle of the knife he was playing with when Columbus was on the crapper&lt;br /&gt;
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==Non-Movie Related==&lt;br /&gt;
Why does Tallahassee spray paint a 3 on every car he recieves? anyone know? im curious. i love this movie btw....Zulu Two Six&lt;br /&gt;
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Some say it is the age of his Son, but in actual fact he does it in homage to Nas car racer Dale Earnhart as it his number - Captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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== little rock and whichita ==&lt;br /&gt;
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has anyone else notice that these two only recieve their weapons after they join forces, as before they had to steal the double barrel and the mare's leg?&lt;br /&gt;
and also we never actually see whichita fire more than eight rounds at once, but we also never see her reload. so this movie could be more accurate than many make it out to be. anon&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Little Rock is carrying a shovel. Not a baseball bat. That is all.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Pump Shotty Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]] 23:02, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Norinco==&lt;br /&gt;
Doesn't the guy shooting the Norico look an awful lot like Nick from Left 4 Dead&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
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		<title>Talk:Zombieland</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;: This movie looks promising-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 00:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC) (S&amp;amp;Wshooter)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-woody's gun-&lt;br /&gt;
Is likely a puma model 92 &amp;quot;bounty hunter&amp;quot; with a standard level installed. It is probably also in 45LC. This is backed up by 44-40 being a semi bottlenecked round, the ones in the movie all looked straight walled. &lt;br /&gt;
::Good call, but unfortunately incorrect.  Though very similar, the Puma has a longer barrel and longer stock.  Tallahasse's gun is definitely a Mare's leg.  I've carefully compared images of those guns and movie stills and it is not the Puma M-92 Bounty Hunter.  But definitely a reasonable guess. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Poster error==&lt;br /&gt;
:I think a double barreled lever gun would be pretty cool-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: It's only cool if it works.  So how would a lever action double barreled shotgun work?  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The same way Bob Barker hasn't turned into dust: magic-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 20:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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google remington 1740 for a double barrel pump action.&lt;br /&gt;
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The rounds form the MP7 are meant for penetration of body armor. wouldn't that be ineffectual against zombies?&lt;br /&gt;
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:It would be like shooting a person in the head with an AP round-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 01:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I figure that an MP7A1 might be advantageous in a situation such as a zombie outbreak. From what I can remember, the 4.6mm rounds tumble when entering the body, thus increasing the trauma delivered to tissue. Additionally, figure that the recoil of the MP7A1 would be soft compared to a number of other automatic weapons, which would enable more rapid yet aimed semi-automatic fire. the weight of the weapon in conjunction with the balance of the weapon allow it to be used in one hand, albeit with drastically reduced accuracy, but the option is there. The high-capacity magazine is light enough that you could carry a number of them. from what I gather, the weapon is very reliable, and as it is quite likely that production facilities would be abandoned, replacement parts would be limited, thus reliability would be a valued commodity. The weapon has enough accuracy and range to hit a pretty small target at about 200 meters. The optics could be replaced depending on the situation at hand, due to the rail on the weapon. the only downsides that i could think of would be that ammunition and magazines would be limited, given that the round is unique for the weapon at this time. [[User:W190009637|W190009637]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::good point&lt;br /&gt;
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::::incidentally, i am in the process of making an informal zombie survival guide that i have been working on for over a year now. it is at 20 pages, and still growing, with almost 200 individual items that i would like to obtain in the wasteland should i somehow survive. [[User:W190009637|W190009637]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Or you could just use a .22 and buy Max Brook's &amp;quot;The Zombie Survival Guide&amp;quot;-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 06:06, 3 October 2009&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Or buy yourself a gun that doesn't require you to stand directly in front of a zombie, say a 9mm or something, and discount the Zombie Survival Guide's firearm section entirely (Which contradicts itself on multiple occasions). - Anonymous&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Hmm, depends on what kind of zombies you're dealing with. Since traditional zombies can only be killed by destruction of the brain, &amp;quot;stopping power&amp;quot; is rather irrelevant (all that's required is the necessary force to penetrate the skull and destroy the brain). The 'zombies' in Zombieland, on the other hand, are probably still alive, they're just mad cannibals because of the 'mutated mad cow disease' they're said to be infected with. If that's the case, they can probably be killed by the same wounds that would be fatal to normal humans (indeed, this seems to be the case) and so stopping power is still relevant.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Also, while Max Brooks' novels are entertaining (I really liked ''World War Z'') I lost all respect for the advice on firearms in the ZSG when I read the passage that stated that the M16 is the worst assault rifle and the AK47 is the best. Okay, he didn't state that viewpoint as fact, but he went the weasel words route and wrote &amp;quot;many consider&amp;quot; that to be the case, which is almost as bad in my opinion, since anyone who is of that opinion is clearly ignorant. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 14:43, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Max Brooks knows jack shit about firearms and Military Equipment. Enough said.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Max Brooks knows jack shit about anything, really.  You want a good zombie killing combo?  USE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.  Unless you have something retarded like a 20MM rifle.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Real good point! This probably sounds very stereotypical but I'd probably use a shotgun for the good stopping power, the increased chance to hit a vital area with each shot, their relative ease of use, and shotguns along hunting rifles are the most available guns in my country (Denmark). In the event of a Zombie apocalypse I'd probable raid a hunting store for gear. If you've got a hunting license here you can get rifles and shotguns up to a max of 25. My grandpa has a .22 a .308 an O/U 12 gauge and a Maverick 88 12 gauge pumper.&lt;br /&gt;
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i have the max brooks book and he makes some serious errors in firearms. he says a good rifle is an M1 carbine. yeah maybe... if it were 1944. i would get an mp5, glock and SA80 mainly becausein britain they are standard firearms for police and armed forces&lt;br /&gt;
::well, i have a spanish version of the book, and talks about pistols and revolvers like if they were the same, and for example a revolver can´t jam. Many revolvers are made for hunting, like the s&amp;amp;w 460 and 500 or a revolver in .454 casull. I mean, you can use a good pistol/revolver as a carabine. And finally i found hilarious too his way of describe the m1. He talks like if it were The Colt from supernatural!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Continuity error==&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that the two 1911s are a continuty error I think he just ran out of 9MM and had another back up pistol, Because it looked like he had more 1911 Magazines than Sig Sauer mags.&lt;br /&gt;
::And you're basing this on what?  The film never showed him with three guns.  They only established him with two.  If he did pull out a third handgun, it was not shown in the film.  So that is purely a guess based on seeing more M1911 magazines than SIG ones, which he would need to have since the M1911 mags were single stack and the SIGs were double stack. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Good point but you have to remember he has to fire more 9mm rounds to do the job of a .45acp jk.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that the Sig is a full sized p226&lt;br /&gt;
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==New images==&lt;br /&gt;
Are any of these bootlegs?  I expect an answer from those members who uploaded them.  The DVD is not out yet so anything NOT from the trailer.  If I don't get a confirmation that they are not from bootleg, and this includes bit torrent downloads, then they will be Deleted.  Only caps from the authorized DVD are allowed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I didn't upload them, but I know for a fact that the official DVD has not been released yet.  It comes out 2/2/10 here in the US.  That Norinco pick looks like it was played off a DVDrip/Torrent, and it needs to get the fuck outta here.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Thank you.  It's gone.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88 shotgun? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Just a thought, is it possible that this could be a Maverick 88 rather than a Mossberg 500?&lt;br /&gt;
They are both essentially the same weapons except the Mossberg has a top mounted safety on top of the receiver and the Maverick 88 has one mounted on the trigger guard. Taking a look at the 3rd picture, I'm not seeing a receiver mounted safety, also both of the guns are manufactured by the same company and use the same accessories. (Just a thought)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whichita?==&lt;br /&gt;
What is the little rifle used by Little Rock? -- Anonymous&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It looks like a Winchester Model 1890 22 caliber pump action rifle, but it also looks new so it might be a Taurus Thunderbolt rifle. Which is a larger caliber version of the 1890. It was designed by John Browning. Here is a link to the Taurus version. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:43, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.taurususa.com/Rifles.cfm?toggle=tf&lt;br /&gt;
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According to the main page, it's a Taurus 62C, which actually seems to be a clone of a Winchester Model 62 that is it's namesake.  http://homesteadfirearms.com/cart2/cartimages/product/323win62whole.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
You're Taurus Thunderbolt seems to actually be a clone of a Colt Lightning rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Talahasse's armoury==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last showdown talahasse has somethig sheathed between the pair of shotguns on his back. ANYONE KNOW WHAT IT IS, COULD JUST BE A KNIFE OR MACHETE? Woops lent on caps there, sorry - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes it's a machete. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like the handle of the knife he was playing with when Columbus was on the crapper&lt;br /&gt;
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==Non-Movie Related==&lt;br /&gt;
Why does Tallahassee spray paint a 3 on every car he recieves? anyone know? im curious. i love this movie btw....Zulu Two Six&lt;br /&gt;
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Some say it is the age of his Son, but in actual fact he does it in homage to Nas car racer Dale Earnhart as it his number - Captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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== little rock and whichita ==&lt;br /&gt;
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has anyone else notice that these two only recieve their weapons after they join forces, as before they had to steal the double barrel and the mare's leg?&lt;br /&gt;
and also we never actually see whichita fire more than eight rounds at once, but we also never see her reload. so this movie could be more accurate than many make it out to be. anon&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Little Rock is carrying a shovel. Not a baseball bat. That is all.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Norinco==&lt;br /&gt;
Doesn't the guy shooting the Norico look an awful lot like Nick from Left 4 Dead&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Pacific&amp;diff=355888</id>
		<title>Talk:The Pacific</title>
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		<updated>2010-11-15T18:44:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Please remove SPOILERS==&lt;br /&gt;
See IMFDB rules but ANY sort of spoilers are NOT allowed. MPM&lt;br /&gt;
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== Is this out yet? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If this series is out, i'm going to screencap it when it comes out on DVD.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The very first trailer, which did show a significant amount of combat footage, just came out this week.--[[User:V|V]] 23:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Holy fuck, where is it? I'm a big history geek, i need to see this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I love history! When was it released?-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 23:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Also, that gun Sledgehammer is using is an M50 Reising Sub machine gun. It was common in the pacific theater. Here is the Wikipedia article about the gun: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Reising_submachine_gun]. Also, i still want my trailer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I have to agree that it is the M50 Reising.  The magazine and the muzzle break and dead giveaways. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 13:53, 1 July 2009(UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Also, i think there is M1903s in the series. When the australian trailer was released there was a production picture of the Marines landing on Guadalcanal and they were acurately deppicted armed with M1903s.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Is there a picture of the M1903 Springfield or the trailer with the rifle shown? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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its been advertised alot lately in aus (my country) just says coming soon (est march 2010) to ch 7 il keep you posted  [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 03:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was pretty accurate that Garands were in short supply and a lot of Marines were issued the Springfields. What caught me off guard was that 1928 Tommy with the drum mag and cutts compensator. I was actually half expecting it to have a vertical foregrip. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The first episode ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I've watched the first episode, and the first Marines on Guadalcanal are armed with M1928A1 Thompsons (compensators, drum mags, horizontal foregrips) and M1903s. What stuck out what the high number of left handed M1903s out there. I don't know if this is because the Marines really went out of their way to issue left handed Marines left handed guns, or if the armorers for the Pacific are really accomodating. I think it's interesting that a left handed sniper in Saving Private Ryan, who's already issued a specialized piece of equipment, couldn't get a left handed Springfield but Marine grunts in The Pacific can. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 05:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I also noticed the old Browning .30 cal with the barrel shroud for water cooling, wouldn't they be up to air cooled 1919s by then? but overall, the first episode was great, and I look forward to watching the rest of the series, Semper Fi! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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they did have air cooled but in this war they dident replace old machineguns if they still worked&lt;br /&gt;
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Air cooled is nice, but water-cooled weapons are nice in a Japanses banzi charge. M1917s, being water-cooled, can fire theoreticy forever without pause.[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing if you saw left-handed 1903s, the shots were reversed. Also, I only saw M1903-A3s. I don't know whether this is accurate or not. --[[User:Rugerlvr|Rugerlvr]] 03:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I just watched it again, in the same shot where there was a left handed M1903, the M1917's cocking handle was on the right side. It's supposed to be on the right side, correct?--[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just got the first episode on me and I can start uploading caps if the quality is good [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Part 2 BAR ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Part 2 BAR&lt;br /&gt;
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At the Part2 start scene, a helf-track vehicle runs by, there's a BAR lay on the ground(sorry for I don't know how to post pics here ,I'm a new comer)&lt;br /&gt;
Here's my Img.ly post&lt;br /&gt;
[http://img.ly/HNq]&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd probably wait for later episodes when they will probably be clearer pics.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== I got Tivo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was able to get the first 2 episodes off my TV and into my computer. Took me some doing thought [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== That good, or just lucky? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Episode one, when Leckie shoots the Japanese soldier with his M1911, he's either really good or really lucky. The range looked like it had to be at least forty or fifty feet, one handed, both eyes open, bullet to the chest. Sure, it's just a show, but Leckie's a real person, and the show is based on his memoirs. Like I said, he's either really good, or really lucky. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 05:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It's a show.&lt;br /&gt;
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:At least he shoots better than the freaking guy with the Springfield [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Which guy? The first guy to shoot him? He wasn't trying to kill him, he was playing with him. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 03:05, 27 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't Marines trained for marksmenship first and foremost. Granted, the slogan is &amp;quot;Every Marine, a Rifleman&amp;quot; but Licklie is a dedicated .30 cal Browning Gunner, meaning that he would probably be issued a sidearm with which to defend himself, should his machine gun become unusuable, and he would probably be proficient in the usage of his pistol, so perhaps the shot wouldnt be as difficult as we might assume&lt;br /&gt;
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== Names of Marines ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I keep getting the names of the Marines wrong [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The sounds of guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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They actually got the sounds of a lot of the guns pretty good. If you've heard Japanese guns before, you can recognize the sounds of their LMGs during part 2, even if you can't see them [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Made some spelling corrections, and the M1897 trench gun... ==&lt;br /&gt;
I made some spelling/ grammar corrections. Also does anyone else notice something odd about the M1897 in this screen?&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TP1897.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hammer looks a little odd, but other than that I do not. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yup, that's what I'm thinking is off. It looks like he is holding the trigger back so the hammer should be down, but it looks like it is too low.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 03:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There's another shot of the same scene but an explosion gives light to the shotgun. I'll try to get that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Nambu type 14==&lt;br /&gt;
I've heard rumors that these guns are very unreliable, and would just as soon blow up than shoot, but I just wanna know if there's any credit to 'em. Cause it seems like a gun that blows up half the time would'nt be used very much...&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Dark_Knight&amp;diff=351484</id>
		<title>Talk:The Dark Knight</title>
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		<updated>2010-11-01T19:16:08Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Do you have any information about the gun used by Harvey Dent when he shot Maroni's men? Thank you. BTW great potential website, I love it. [[Special:Contributions/118.136.36.2|118.136.36.2]] 01:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Can I screen this when it comes out? I try to cover new releases plus I did the first one. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, sure, I don't see why not. I just have one request - do you by chance have a computer that can play Blu Ray? I keep looking at Legion's Fate's blog with all of his super-high quality Blu Ray screenshots, and I'm starting to get jealous. I think IMFDB needs the same quality images he has. I've seen some images from the Blu Ray version of this movie and they're ''soooooooo'' pretty. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll see if I can break for a Blu-ray for my computer. I doubt it will be cheap though. And don't worry about that guy, we're better :).&lt;br /&gt;
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:Guner313, are you screencapping this or are you just adding some shots? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Well, our info is better, yes. And we have MoviePropMaster2008, our ultimate weapon. But I still think it'd be cool if we had some Blu Ray screenshots. I am looking at Blu Ray players myself, though I'm probably not going to be buying one immediately since my checking account is still hurting from my last gun purchase.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::BTW, this page already has 20,000 views, due to this movie's popularity, so let's make it extra special. Gotta give people what they want. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Page==&lt;br /&gt;
Well, it's not Bluray but I still think the images look great. pngs were wierd to use instead of jpgs for the first time but the long load time is worth it for such nice pictures on this page. I hope this is good enough as making it &amp;quot;extra special&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry the page took so long btw, I had a lot to do this week. :P - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Unbelievable! Someone removed some of my screencaps like the flashpaper Glock firing. Since it was an anonymous user, I protected the page, but I won't keep it that way forever. Just until this person decides to stop removing my pictures. (some of those images are harder to get then they appears, especially the Glock flashpaper, since frame by frame wouldn't catch it. I had to rapid-tap pause, which took about 10 mins to achieve). :(  Sorry to inconveniance people. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, doing screencaps isn't as easy as some would think. It's is hard as hell for some guns that show up for a split second and never seen again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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can anyone id the jokers knifes&lt;br /&gt;
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I would be interested in that. I was trying to Id some of them but I can't really tell, a couple of the ones being set on the table look like kitchen knives.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like I did with [[The Punisher (2004)]], I could add all his knives to this discussion section. But I have too much to do right now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Jokers knifes==&lt;br /&gt;
I've been searching the web about that for a while and I have read a lot of discussions about it. If someone want I can wright about what I've found out. I cant/don't know how to do screencaps so I cant do that but I can take pics from the web of the knifes and post it.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Anybody know how they got the WZ.83 Nabój 40 x 47 mm to shoot a grapple gook.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It looked like a practical effect.&lt;br /&gt;
*Must be some kind of special effects. The Pallad D shoots only two kind of ammunition fragmentation and smoke grenades. And the 40x47 mm ammo is only produced in Poland. [[Special:Contributions/87.207.56.12|87.207.56.12]] 15:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly a CO2 copy.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
*I saw one put the grappling hook into the barrel and fire it. Maybe a grenade launcher modified for the movie. - [[User:Crysis|Crysis]] 16:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The M16A2 section on the page has a picture with the weapon mounted with a red dot, and the caption stating &amp;quot;Mounted with an Eotech&amp;quot;. Either it's mounted with a very deformed EOTech on backwards, or it's something else. Looks most like a Trijicon Reflex (Either RX01 or RX06) attached with an RX10 gooseneck handle mount.  Difficult to be more presise, though, with that picture. Are there any better shots of rifles equipped with this sight in the movie?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dent's Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 64 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the scene where Harvey was pointing the gun to his own head and pulls the hammer back, we see the trigger appears to be pulled back already. Is there something wrong with the trigger? You see in in the screen cap. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M1 garands==&lt;br /&gt;
If they are firing live rounds into the air it i'm pretty sure would be much louder than a blank and I would assume the police officers would notice the difference between.&lt;br /&gt;
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except they would know they are firing a specific amount of shots, and after those shots they would have live rounds, obviously&lt;br /&gt;
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Isn't the BFA only relevant to whether the blank round cycles the action or not?  Is it possible that they could be firing blanks and then manually ejecting the round?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blu Ray screen caps==&lt;br /&gt;
I would like to redo these caps with the Blu ray versions.   Anyone else already working on it?  [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]   11 Oct 2009&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think anyone is. Are you going to recap the whole thing? If you are, just save over the existing caps. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Yeah, I would like to redo it.  Is the reason why the page takes so long to load is because of the PNG's? [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]   11 Oct 2009&lt;br /&gt;
::I didn't notice the PNG deal, i think that may have been done to get better quality pics. This is quoting MPM2008 ''&amp;quot;IMFDB has a policy that screenshots can be replaced by better shots, or full frame (4:3) shots can be replaced by the more preferable 16:9 wide screen shots (by anyone) Someone can replace anyone's screenshots if the replacing screenshots are clearly superior in quality.&amp;quot;'' This existing pics are 640x480 - 290kb, yours are 1,230x720 - 88kb. While no one likes their caps being replaced, if the ones replacing it are larger and sharper that is the way it goes. Plus the file sizes being down from 290kb to 88kb, will help it a lot. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, the PNG shots slow this page down.  I can't remember why GM45 chose to use that format (he typically uses JPEG), but not long after this page, we started encouraging members not to use PNG format.  If anyone wishes to replace the screencaps, feel free. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Smith &amp;amp; Wesson M76 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If you watched the Oscars this year, they did a bit on the sound in the Dark Knight (to use as an example) and it actually showed the sound editors firing a Micro Uzi at full auto, and that's the sound they used for the M76, not a minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Batman in other media==&lt;br /&gt;
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If the live action Batman movies get a gun page, why not &amp;quot;Batman the Animated Series&amp;quot;, the TV movie &amp;quot;Mask of the Phantasm&amp;quot; or the current show on Cartoon Network &amp;quot;Batman: The Brave and the Bold&amp;quot;???&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''&amp;quot;No Cartoons. Anime is a work of art where the Japanese took time and effort to draw, sometimes in great detail, images of firearms despite from a country that prohibits civilian ownership of arms. Only take screencaps from sources that you know for a fact is an image of a gun. We do not accept caricatures of what is supposed to be a gun. Nor do we accept images from cartoons like the Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park unless you have an image for us and anyone can ID right away as a specific gun. If you give us an image of 2 rectangles with a poorly drawn trigger and tell us it's a 1911, then it will be promptly deleted. The same rules to quality images for movies, TV, and games also apply here. Do not post low resolution of anything here or they will be deleted and replaced.&amp;quot;''' From the rules. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 15:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Would Batman: Gotham Knight work? It's anime influenced animation just like &amp;quot;Animatrix&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I have no idea. Best idea would be to ask one of the admins around here. I just quoted the above from the rules as I remember someone asking about cartoons. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 08:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::If the rules say so, then how come [[The Iron Giant]] gets to stay on this website? It's a cartoon, too. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
As I said, I don't know. Your best bet is to ask an Admin that '''does know''' the answer. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 07:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Eminem==&lt;br /&gt;
When the Batman imposter killed by the Joker is slammed against the mayors window and they've lowered him down, there's a Joker card from a deck of cards on his chest with the words &amp;quot;Will the real Batman please stand up&amp;quot; on it. GREAT! Very nicely done.&lt;br /&gt;
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...and Eminem rip that off of &amp;quot;To Tell the Truth&amp;quot; game show.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Penthouse Window==&lt;br /&gt;
When the Joker and his mooks crash the fundraiser and the Joker takes Rachel hostage he backs up to a window and points his revolver behind him and shoots and the window right behind him smashes even though his gun is pointed nowhere near the window... and would a high up penthouse window shatter completely from a single gunshot?--[[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 23:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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glass that high up in the sky and windows that low to a walking floor has to be tempered glass, which combined with the pressure at that elavation it would most likely cause the glass to shatter like that...but im not mythbusters.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus it is also movie glass, which is much more easy to break. In real life, we'd see bullet holes and it would take more than one shot to shatter glass like that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fingerprint==&lt;br /&gt;
The shattered bullet in the wall that Batman finds and uses his CSI: Miami computer to regenerate has a fingerprint from when the shooter pushed it into the magazine (or &amp;quot;clip&amp;quot; as Alfred puts it), yet this full thumbprint would be on the casing, not on the bullet itself...Just thought I'd post it here as it's a goof. --[[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 19:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Dark_Knight&amp;diff=350272</id>
		<title>Talk:The Dark Knight</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Dark_Knight&amp;diff=350272"/>
		<updated>2010-10-29T23:25:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Do you have any information about the gun used by Harvey Dent when he shot Maroni's men? Thank you. BTW great potential website, I love it. [[Special:Contributions/118.136.36.2|118.136.36.2]] 01:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Can I screen this when it comes out? I try to cover new releases plus I did the first one. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, sure, I don't see why not. I just have one request - do you by chance have a computer that can play Blu Ray? I keep looking at Legion's Fate's blog with all of his super-high quality Blu Ray screenshots, and I'm starting to get jealous. I think IMFDB needs the same quality images he has. I've seen some images from the Blu Ray version of this movie and they're ''soooooooo'' pretty. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll see if I can break for a Blu-ray for my computer. I doubt it will be cheap though. And don't worry about that guy, we're better :).&lt;br /&gt;
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:Guner313, are you screencapping this or are you just adding some shots? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Well, our info is better, yes. And we have MoviePropMaster2008, our ultimate weapon. But I still think it'd be cool if we had some Blu Ray screenshots. I am looking at Blu Ray players myself, though I'm probably not going to be buying one immediately since my checking account is still hurting from my last gun purchase.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::BTW, this page already has 20,000 views, due to this movie's popularity, so let's make it extra special. Gotta give people what they want. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, it's not Bluray but I still think the images look great. pngs were wierd to use instead of jpgs for the first time but the long load time is worth it for such nice pictures on this page. I hope this is good enough as making it &amp;quot;extra special&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry the page took so long btw, I had a lot to do this week. :P - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Unbelievable! Someone removed some of my screencaps like the flashpaper Glock firing. Since it was an anonymous user, I protected the page, but I won't keep it that way forever. Just until this person decides to stop removing my pictures. (some of those images are harder to get then they appears, especially the Glock flashpaper, since frame by frame wouldn't catch it. I had to rapid-tap pause, which took about 10 mins to achieve). :(  Sorry to inconveniance people. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, doing screencaps isn't as easy as some would think. It's is hard as hell for some guns that show up for a split second and never seen again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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can anyone id the jokers knifes&lt;br /&gt;
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I would be interested in that. I was trying to Id some of them but I can't really tell, a couple of the ones being set on the table look like kitchen knives.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like I did with [[The Punisher (2004)]], I could add all his knives to this discussion section. But I have too much to do right now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Anybody know how they got the WZ.83 Nabój 40 x 47 mm to shoot a grapple gook.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It looked like a practical effect.&lt;br /&gt;
*Must be some kind of special effects. The Pallad D shoots only two kind of ammunition fragmentation and smoke grenades. And the 40x47 mm ammo is only produced in Poland. [[Special:Contributions/87.207.56.12|87.207.56.12]] 15:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly a CO2 copy.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
*I saw one put the grappling hook into the barrel and fire it. Maybe a grenade launcher modified for the movie. - [[User:Crysis|Crysis]] 16:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The M16A2 section on the page has a picture with the weapon mounted with a red dot, and the caption stating &amp;quot;Mounted with an Eotech&amp;quot;. Either it's mounted with a very deformed EOTech on backwards, or it's something else. Looks most like a Trijicon Reflex (Either RX01 or RX06) attached with an RX10 gooseneck handle mount.  Difficult to be more presise, though, with that picture. Are there any better shots of rifles equipped with this sight in the movie?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dent's Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 64 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the scene where Harvey was pointing the gun to his own head and pulls the hammer back, we see the trigger appears to be pulled back already. Is there something wrong with the trigger? You see in in the screen cap. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M1 garands==&lt;br /&gt;
If they are firing live rounds into the air it i'm pretty sure would be much louder than a blank and I would assume the police officers would notice the difference between.&lt;br /&gt;
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except they would know they are firing a specific amount of shots, and after those shots they would have live rounds, obviously&lt;br /&gt;
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Isn't the BFA only relevant to whether the blank round cycles the action or not?  Is it possible that they could be firing blanks and then manually ejecting the round?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blu Ray screen caps==&lt;br /&gt;
I would like to redo these caps with the Blu ray versions.   Anyone else already working on it?  [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]   11 Oct 2009&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think anyone is. Are you going to recap the whole thing? If you are, just save over the existing caps. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Yeah, I would like to redo it.  Is the reason why the page takes so long to load is because of the PNG's? [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]   11 Oct 2009&lt;br /&gt;
::I didn't notice the PNG deal, i think that may have been done to get better quality pics. This is quoting MPM2008 ''&amp;quot;IMFDB has a policy that screenshots can be replaced by better shots, or full frame (4:3) shots can be replaced by the more preferable 16:9 wide screen shots (by anyone) Someone can replace anyone's screenshots if the replacing screenshots are clearly superior in quality.&amp;quot;'' This existing pics are 640x480 - 290kb, yours are 1,230x720 - 88kb. While no one likes their caps being replaced, if the ones replacing it are larger and sharper that is the way it goes. Plus the file sizes being down from 290kb to 88kb, will help it a lot. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, the PNG shots slow this page down.  I can't remember why GM45 chose to use that format (he typically uses JPEG), but not long after this page, we started encouraging members not to use PNG format.  If anyone wishes to replace the screencaps, feel free. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Smith &amp;amp; Wesson M76 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If you watched the Oscars this year, they did a bit on the sound in the Dark Knight (to use as an example) and it actually showed the sound editors firing a Micro Uzi at full auto, and that's the sound they used for the M76, not a minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Batman in other media==&lt;br /&gt;
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If the live action Batman movies get a gun page, why not &amp;quot;Batman the Animated Series&amp;quot;, the TV movie &amp;quot;Mask of the Phantasm&amp;quot; or the current show on Cartoon Network &amp;quot;Batman: The Brave and the Bold&amp;quot;???&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''&amp;quot;No Cartoons. Anime is a work of art where the Japanese took time and effort to draw, sometimes in great detail, images of firearms despite from a country that prohibits civilian ownership of arms. Only take screencaps from sources that you know for a fact is an image of a gun. We do not accept caricatures of what is supposed to be a gun. Nor do we accept images from cartoons like the Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park unless you have an image for us and anyone can ID right away as a specific gun. If you give us an image of 2 rectangles with a poorly drawn trigger and tell us it's a 1911, then it will be promptly deleted. The same rules to quality images for movies, TV, and games also apply here. Do not post low resolution of anything here or they will be deleted and replaced.&amp;quot;''' From the rules. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 15:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Would Batman: Gotham Knight work? It's anime influenced animation just like &amp;quot;Animatrix&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I have no idea. Best idea would be to ask one of the admins around here. I just quoted the above from the rules as I remember someone asking about cartoons. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 08:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::If the rules say so, then how come [[The Iron Giant]] gets to stay on this website? It's a cartoon, too. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
As I said, I don't know. Your best bet is to ask an Admin that '''does know''' the answer. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 07:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Eminem==&lt;br /&gt;
When the Batman imposter killed by the Joker is slammed against the mayors window and they've lowered him down, there's a Joker card from a deck of cards on his chest with the words &amp;quot;Will the real Batman please stand up&amp;quot; on it. GREAT! Very nicely done.&lt;br /&gt;
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...and Eminem rip that off of &amp;quot;To Tell the Truth&amp;quot; game show.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Penthouse Window==&lt;br /&gt;
When the Joker and his mooks crash the fundraiser and the Joker takes Rachel hostage he backs up to a window and points his revolver behind him and shoots and the window right behind him smashes even though his gun is pointed nowhere near the window... and would a high up penthouse window shatter completely from a single gunshot?--[[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 23:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;=Fun Facts=&lt;br /&gt;
Some bits of irrelevant trivia and goofs.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Obvious Stunt Doubles==&lt;br /&gt;
Several times in the film, stunt doubles are seen used during some of the more extreme scenes. This was back before editors could digitally modify the stunt double's face to look like the actual actors. By converting the film to 1080p Digital DVD, these doubles become quite noticeable.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2JDTwoStuntDoublesInOneShot!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During this scene, both Arnold Schwarzenegger's driving stunt double, Norman Howell, and Edward Furlong's driving double are seen in the same shot! Also note how the dirtbike Furlong's double is driving is almost as big as the Harley. Since Furlong's stunt double is bigger than him, the Honda dirtbike was sized up to a bigger model so the double would look smaller.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton's stunt double, Debbie Evans, is seen firing a CAR-15 at the T-1000 during this scene, since this shot had the vehicle really driving down the road (the close up shots with Linda Hamilton were in an immoble vehicle).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Debbie Evans is used instead of Linda when the vehicle is suddenly halted and she is slid across the back.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2RobStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-800 fights the T-1000 in the mill, a stunt double is used for Robert Patrick when he is slammed into the walls.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Goofs==&lt;br /&gt;
Some of the notable goofs in the film.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2KnifeBendGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When this biker stabs the Terminator with his knife, it is clearly a rubber prop. Note how it bends.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SteamJetsGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the cigar smoking biker is thrown by the Terminator onto the kitchen burners, the steam jets are visible.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the Terminator prepares to jump his Harley Fatboy off the ledge, note how it is pointed.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he jumps off, the ledge changes to a squared type. Many people claim you can see the wires guiding the bike down but all you can see is the slightly visible edit over the cables, so transparent lines are visible as the bike falls.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2cardummygoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As The Terminator and the Connors pull out of the Mental Hospital, the T-1000 grabs onto their car. Here a dummy is used in place of a stunt man as they drive through the gate. James Cameron says he wished he had the CGI capabilities back then so he could make the T-1000 climb up the car as they drive.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2poleGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the Terminator is impaled by the steel rod, he is clearly laying to the side to avoid the pole.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Payback==&lt;br /&gt;
In the extended cut, Douglas ([[Ken Gibbel]]) hits Sarah in the stomach with his billy club so he can force feed her her medication. Gibbel didn't want to hurt Linda so he kept pulling the swing, but she had to fall to the ground on her knees the same every time. He did this so much, her knees got bruised up quite badly. If you watch the scene, it is clearly sped up for this exact reason. When Sarah escapes her cell, she breaks off a broom handle and uses it to hit Douglas repeatedly until he is unconscious. As payback for her bruised knees, every blow Linda inflicts on Gibbel is real and not pulled.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2Payback-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Douglas slugs Sarah with his billy club.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2Payback-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah falls to her knees quite painfully. Doing this multiple times really bruised up Linda's knees.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2Payback-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah beats Douglas with a broom handle. Linda teaches Gibbel that chivalry isn't always a good thing as she really kicks his ass.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==How It's Done==&lt;br /&gt;
A few of the impressive special effects were achieved in unique ways shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2CigarGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the biker puts his cigar out on the Terminator's chest, the only thing protecting Arnold from being burned was a block and prosthetic skin the size of a dime. If this guy was off even a little bit, he would have been burned pretty bad.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To give the effect that the Terminator's time portal burned a chunk out of a truck, scotch light is painted onto the rim and has light concentrated on it to give it a heated glow.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same method is used for the introduction of the T-1000.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2RobFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To accomplish the scene in which the T-1000 slowly emerges from the fire, Robert Patrick had to stand in the center of the flames and walk out. After the scene, his clothes were singed.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2HelicopterCrane.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the chase scene, the police helicopter used by the T-1000 is hung by a moving crane to give it the look like it is flying. This allowed the actor to fire and reload his gun with two hands while the two spare hands could convince the audience the helicopter is being flown.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2AmputeeDouble.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An amputee stunt double was used during the scene when the T-1000 emerges from the truck, continually being drenched in liquid nitrogen as his limbs fall of and he finally freezes solid.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2Mercury-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|For the scene in which the shattered T-1000 melts and reforms, frozen Mercury was melted on a hotplate until it melted and joined together.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2Mercury-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A piece of the frozen mercury melting.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2Mercury-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The melted mercury begins to liquefy.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2Mercury-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The hotplate is pretty seamlessly added to look like the floor of the steel mill.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2Mercury-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Mercury eventually turns into one big pool.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2RubberWalls.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the fight between the T-800 and the T-1000, the steel mill walls were padded with rubber so the actors could slam each other into objects without injuring each other.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Familiar Scenery==&lt;br /&gt;
The place under the bridge that the T-1000 arrives in the present from was later reused in another James Cameron film, ''[[True Lies]]'', although they aren't the exact same spots. Strangley enough, the bridge is really in Washington D.C., which is accurately portrayed in True Lies. In T2 on the other hand, it takes place in Los Angeles.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2JD-TrueLiesScenery.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Comparison of the same location in the two films.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Locked Up==&lt;br /&gt;
Linda Hamilton was trained how to pick locks for the film and Linda refused to fake any of the lock picking when she escapes her cell. She actually picks the locks on her harness and the lock on the door.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2lockpick-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah picks the locks on her bed harness. Linda really picked this lock.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2lockpick-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After escaping her bed, Sarah picks the lock on the door. Linda really picked this lock too.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Attack of the Tin Foil Man!==&lt;br /&gt;
In some scenes, CGI was avoided to reduce strain on ILM's schedule and the actor wore a special &amp;quot;Tin Foil&amp;quot; suit so he would look like the liquid metal T-1000.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the background, the &amp;quot;Tin Foil&amp;quot; man is seen forming from the puddle of liquid metal.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the &amp;quot;Tin Foil&amp;quot; T-1000.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the &amp;quot;Tin Foil&amp;quot; T-1000.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Not Really Nude==&lt;br /&gt;
During the scene in which the Terminator enters the biker bar, completely naked from time travel, Arnold was obviously not going to go nude in this scene and instead wore some colorful shorts. How the extras could stifle their laughter is unknown.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2NotNude-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator walks into the bar in the nude.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2NotNude-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The people in the bar look in complete shock at this giant nude man.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2NotNude-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here you can see the shorts Arnold was wearing in the scene. This is the governor of California shaking his ass for the camera. Feel free to laugh.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Good Old Arnold==&lt;br /&gt;
Some memorable moments from the &amp;quot;Governator&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator tries to mimic a smile. Arnold commented how he smiles like a horse. Agreed.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;Trust Me.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;Stay here. I'll be back.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;Hasta la vista, baby.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;I need a vacation.&amp;quot; Not a very Terminator-like thing to say; it was an ad-libbed shoutout to ''[[Kindergarten Cop]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Convenience of Twins==&lt;br /&gt;
Two sets of identical twins were used in the film to make certain scenes more convenient to shoot. The first twins were used in the mental hospital, the first playing Lewis the guard ([[Don Stanton]]) and his brother ([[Dan Stanton]]) playing the T-1000 clone. The second pair of twins were [[Linda Hamilton]] and her sister Leslie Hamilton Gearren, who worked together in several scenes, both playing Sarah Connor.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2guardtwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Don playing Lewis the guard and his brother Dan playing the T-1000 copy.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2TwinsMirrorGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the extended cut, the T-800 tells the Connors how to modify his CPU so he can progressively learn. They open up his head to remove the CPU. During this scene, Linda is seen in the foreground working on a Stan Winston prop and in the &amp;quot;mirror&amp;quot; is Leslie imitating her movements so Arnold's face can be seen in the mirror as he talks.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SarahTwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In this scene, Linda (in the foreground) plays the T-1000 disguised as Sarah while twin sister Leslie plays the real Sarah (in the background) holding the shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Speedy Robert==&lt;br /&gt;
For any scene in which [[Edward Furlong]] had to ride his Yamaha DT50 dirtbike, a tow dragged him along to give the illusion he is driving. Director James Cameron mentions in the DVD commentary that the the guy driving the tow said he would be pulled out fast enough that [[Robert Patrick]] would not be able to catch him while running full speed. The driver underestimated him because when Robert started chasing him, he not only caught up with Eddie, he tapped him on the shoulder. Robert is an insanely fast runner.&lt;br /&gt;
There are a couple of times in The X-Files where it is kinda obvious that Robert held back on his running speed or he'd have caught some guys and ended episodes early.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 pursues John on his Yamaha dirtbike. In this take, the tow was sped up so Robert ''couldn't'' catch him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 in hot pursuit.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Polydichloric Euthynol==&lt;br /&gt;
The name of the explosives used by the group to blow up Cyberdyne is a play on the hallucinogenic drug used in the [[Sean Connery]] sci-fi film ''[[Outland]]''.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2PolydichloricEuthynol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The explosive barrels marked &amp;quot;Polydichloric Euthynol&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;The Four Horsemen&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
This is just a cool shot. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are portrayed as four pieces of playground equipment.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2FourHorsemen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;The Four Horsemen&amp;quot;, playground equipment set aflame by the nuclear bombs.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Deleted T-1000 Glitches==&lt;br /&gt;
For some unknown reason, the original cut edited out all of the scenes in which the T-1000 shows signs of glitching after being frozen and shattered. These include:&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-1000 passes a pole and his hand gets stuck. Unable to control its functions properly, it morphs somewhat to whatever metal it touches.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 peels his hand off the pole.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 has a blip glitch. This glitch is also in the theatrical cut shown just after the Terminator gets stuck in the giant cog.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000's feet stick to the metal floor.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John realizes which Sarah is the T-1000 when he sees his feet are fused to the floor.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Spoof Pit==&lt;br /&gt;
The &amp;quot;Molten&amp;quot; Steel pit in the steel mill, called &amp;quot;The Spoof Pit&amp;quot; by the crew, was composed of an unknown liquid illuminated by orange fluorescent lights with pieces of plastic floating in it to resemble authentic molten steel. It is used to destroy the T-1000 when he is knocked into the pit and the T-800 uses it to destroy himself with the help of Sarah. With the lights heating the liquid, it was actually pretty hot in the pit. Isn't it interesting how when the T-1000 falls into the pit, he is in extreme pain, yet when the T-800 is lowered in, he seems to feel perfectly content? A matter of perspective I guess.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 falls into the spoof pit.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Above view of the spoof pit.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 is lowered into the pit by Sarah.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fake fire effect is used to make the liquid appear molten. Arnold does a good job of keeping his eyes open as he submerges.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 gives John a thumbs up before melting completely. John teaches the T-800 the thumbs up just before Sarah dreams of herself and John in the nuclear explosion.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Dedicated To Stan Winston=&lt;br /&gt;
Stan Winston was one of the greatest special effects and animatronics designers in film history. He brought fictional creatures to life and made the impossible seem real, for which he has won four separate Academy Awards. His animatronics and costumes are some of the most famous in film history and include:&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 endoskeletons in ''[[T2|T2: Judgment Day]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-Rex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The life size Tyrannosaurus Rex from ''[[Jurassic Park]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonFacehugger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Facehuggers from ''[[Aliens]]'', which actually ran on their own.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPowerLoader.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Power Loader from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|And of course the ever famous Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPredator.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thanks to Stan Winston, The Predator from ''[[Predator]]'' also became as famous and was saved from being a very poorly designed creature.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sadly, Stan Winston passed away on June 15th, 2008. He may be gone but his creations will forever live on in film history as some of the most life-like and creative designs ever. Rest in peace Stan.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following Stan Winston props are seen in T2:'''&lt;br /&gt;
==Liquid Metal Squibs==&lt;br /&gt;
Stan Winston invented special foil squibs meant to fold out like a flower to imitate a gunshot wound inflicted to the T-1000.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears these squibs through out the film.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears seven of these squibs. Note how this guy is a stunt double.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 riddled with liquid metal squibs.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWInstonLiquidSquib-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stan even built smaller versions for when the T-1000 is shots with the Coltonics pistol.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton also wears one of these squibs when she is playing the T-1000.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blown Apart T-1000 head==&lt;br /&gt;
Even animatronics with the smallest roles are heavily contributed to by Stan. This prop was built to show the T-1000 after his head is blown apart by a 10 Gauge slug. The head flaps even move around by control.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shotgunhead.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The animatronic T-1000's head built to show the T-1000 after being shot in the head with a shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==The T-800 Arm==&lt;br /&gt;
The Terminator proves to Miles Dyson he is a machine by cutting off his living tissue and revealing his robotic arm inside. Stan Winston designed this arm and made it as controllable as a real hand. It was built by a contracted company in the midwest.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Stan Winston designed controllable T-800 arm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Lewis the Guard's Robotic Head==&lt;br /&gt;
When the T-1000 copies Lewis the Guard and kills him by stabbing him through the eye, a robotic copy of his head was built to shake and allow the point to stab in and out.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lewis the Guard's robotic prop head being stabbed by the T-1000.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same robotic head.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==T-800 Animatronic Dummy==&lt;br /&gt;
Stan Winston built a copy of Arnold Schwarzenegger's head to torso so squibs could be used on the head region and people would see the Terminator shot in the head. It was also used so the T-1000 could smash his head without killing or injuring Arnold. Because the dummy walked awkwardly, Arnold matched its walk so it would look less suspicious in the film.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy in the Cyberdyne lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy's awkward walk is evident in this scene.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 smashes the dummy's head.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The dummy greatly resembles the one used in the scene from the first [[The Terminator|Terminator]] where he removes the damaged eye tissue and starts wearing sunglasses.&lt;br /&gt;
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==T-1000 Blade Arm fold-out==&lt;br /&gt;
The T-1000 kills the liquid nitrogen truck driver by stabbing him with his sharp arm. Stan Winston designed a blade to pop out of the clothes to achieve the look of his being impaled.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonKnifeGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 stabs the truck driver. Note the slit in the shirt where the blade folds out.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==T-1000 Shotgun Head==&lt;br /&gt;
When Sarah shoots the T-1000 with her Remington 870 folder, it leaves a large hole in his head, which is a prop by Stan Winston.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-5.jpg|thumb|none|800px|T-1000's head with the large slug hole in it. To the right is Robert Patrick getting to know his robotic double.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Frozen T-1000==&lt;br /&gt;
Stan Winston designed a replica of the T-1000 frozen in liquid nitrogen that was built with a fiber glass shell with fragements inside. When &amp;quot;shot&amp;quot;, primacord is used to shatter the shell and release the fragments. Since fiber glass is not as heavy as ice, a fan blew the fragments to the ground to give the prop a shattering effect.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 frozen prop.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The prop shatters.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blown Up T-1000==&lt;br /&gt;
When the T-1000 is blown up by a 40mm round, his exploded figure is a Stan Winston animatronic.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000blownup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blown up T-1000 animatronic.]] &lt;br /&gt;
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= Discussion =&lt;br /&gt;
==Technically==&lt;br /&gt;
Even though [[Mail Call]] has the most guns at 98 currently, this page is technically the largest on the site. It has the most pictures and written information of any page on IMFDB, even check largest pages section on Special pages. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Just to bring up that some of the guns on Mail Call are repeats. Don't think it counts if you repeat some of the guns just because they appear again in a different season. I mean, Garand, M16, BAR. Repeated 3 times and you count them to the weapons count? That's cheating. You're supposed to just list the different kinds of guns shown and say if they appear in other seasons than to repeat them again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I guess that's a good point. Still, it took just as long to do the page as any other huge page, even though there are repeats. And I liked my format, I document the guns in each season individually, so no gun pic is weeded out do to excessive screencaps (which I've been ragged on about quite a bit). Even if the guns repeat, the time put into it and the amount of information would still make it the largest page, but I couldn't necessarily say it has the most guns. Once I get the rest of the seasons (which Ebay has now failed me on so finding the DVDs will be harder) the page will be too big to hold it all and likely split into sections. Anyway, it was dumb to make a competition out of page making. My bad. If [[Unit, The|The Unit]] has just a little more format correcting (image sizing and linking) it will be a great page. Right now it seems a little &amp;quot;rough draft&amp;quot;. No offense of course. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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From the 7th down on the 1887: &amp;quot;You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger&amp;quot; A terminator wouldn't need to worry about that. A machine would only pull the trigger when it was supposed to.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dirt bikes in this film are Hondas. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The dirt bike used by Jon Connor was not a Yamaha DT50.  The bike used by Edward Furlong was a 1990 Honda XR80, while the one used by his stund double was a XR100 of the same year.  Both bikes had their front and side number plates removed, and were dirtied up to give them an older look.&lt;br /&gt;
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Eventually I will give this page the revamp it deserves. I'll remove my terrible widescreen shots and make this page full. I promise. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
:Doing it now :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
Finished. But I'm going to add a lot more fun stuff and devote a whole section to Stan Winston, in honor of his passing (since I have just about every movie his animatronics are in, you guys will see shots from those movies here). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would really prefer if you didn't. Not that I don't respect Winston (having grown up a ''[[Jurassic Park]]'' fan), but this is IMFDB. Remember, we need to be somewhat careful about how many images and other stuff we upload. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well I gave it a try. I think of it as info like MPM adds to his page, similair to the Rambo III page. I tried to keep the Winston section small but heartfelt. How does everything look now that it is done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This page is really, really, really long. I think its cool how there is some Stan Winston stuff on here but I just think the bloopers and some other stuff kinda overkills it. Whoever worked on this did a very good job, but should this be page be trimed a little? --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 05:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with that statement, the trivia takes up almost half the page. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The Stan Winston stuff could be moved to its own page. That would take out some of it. It's an extremely popular page, so the extra trivia stuff makes it nice, besides if you don't care about that stuff, you don't have to scroll down that far. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree with Predator. The trivia makes the page really interesting.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh, no doubt that its interesting....but you have to remember that this is IMFDB. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not to mention that people will use this page as justification for making pages full of irrelevant/uninteresting crap.(not that I think the trivia on this page is uninteresting, but it is sort of irrelevant) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I absolutely agree that it is very nicely down. The one reason I wouldn’t want to see it changed is because I know whoever added that info had to have worked pretty hard on it. But I also agree to the fact that it is pretty much irrelevant, although cool at the same time. Thats why I suggest just trimming it. So I dont know what comes next, maybe we all agree to disagree lol.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 02:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think the entire section except maybe the Stan Winston Memorial should be cut and pasted into the discussion page. That way it will not be cluttering the main page with irrelevant info but it will also preserve GM45's work. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 40mm grenade arming ranges... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There are a couple of &amp;quot;families&amp;quot; of 40mm rounds.  The M381/M386/M406 HE rounds are one.  The only basic differences are the fuses used.  The M381 uses a ''M552'' point-detonating fuse that arms from the centrifugal force of spinning in the rifling after the initial set-back from firing and arms ''in 2 to 3 meters.''  In use, this grenade did pose a danger to firers if used without firing from cover because the casualty radius is something like 5 meters.  The M386 and later rounds use the ''M551'' fuse that has adds a little more complexity to make sure the grenade does not arm until it is 14 meters to 28 meters from the launcher.&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore, it is unlikely an active duty soldier/Marine would be issued a M381 out of normal supply, but it's more likely someone using older supplies would be more likely to find one.  40mm grenades going off at short range is therefore--like cookies to the Cookie Monster now--&amp;quot;a sometimes&amp;quot; thing...&lt;br /&gt;
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- Doesn't change the fact that in this film, Arnold's M79 fires grenades that explode within only a few feet of him at most, still obviously (if only barely) below arming range of even the older types. (Mainly the ones inside the Cyberdyne building) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Two to three meters is 6 to 9 feet...  That's conversational distance in the Midwest... --00:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)~&lt;br /&gt;
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==How do you capture a Terminator?==&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, how are supposed to do it? In T3  a giant electromagnet is used to trap T-X, but once it's trapped, how do you reprogram it? You get near the magnet with any amount of metal and you are stuck. &lt;br /&gt;
PS: If there are T-600, T-800, T-1000, and T-X terminators, are there T-200 and T-400 models too? Also, why can't the resistance get anything better than at T-800, and why is John Conner so important? He has a limited knowledge of weapons, no training in tactics, leadership, or anything else. Why not a Delta Force/SAS/Navy SEAL/insert name of elite fighting unit here person? OK, so it's a movie and its cool, but make no sense. On that note, why leave the M72 LAW rockets and M60 behind in the armory? An M72 would blow T-1000 to bits, hopeful far enough away that he couldn't re-form. The M60 would have been nice to shoot T-1000/ police cars with as well. An why not give John a flack jacket and AKM or MAC-10?  [[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 04:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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- Bah. Not to just blow you off here, but honestly, most of those questions are ones that are meant to be answered by other sites, and don't really have anything to do with the guns used in the films, much less this film. Your bigger fansites (Terminator Files immediately comes to mind) can answer all that better than we probably can (or care to for that matter).&lt;br /&gt;
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But to give you some short answers, one, I'm sure the process of capturing/reprogramming a terminator is rather involved to put it lightly, and I'm not going to delve into hypotheticals here. Second, yes there are numerous models/units in the T-series. Third, probably because the T1000 and TX are the latest designs, and aren't even used in the future war, unlike the T800 Terminators which are used rather heavily it seems. Next, John Connor is the one that actually rallies humanity to fight back in the first place, you don't need to be a SEAL or Delta to do that (though I admit, that would help), not to say he couldn't have still gotten that kind of training or learned that kind of knowledge anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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As for your last questions, which actually are somewhat relevant  - first off, I'm sure there's only so much they can carry on them, as well as in their vehicle. You have to remember, they were going to run, not take the T1000 and the police head on as it turned out. And I disagree, the Mini-Vulcan (Minigun) is/was an immensely better choice to shoot up the police cars, as we are shown in the film. And finally, John is supposed to live, at all costs - Giving him a weapon and letting him fight only risks him getting killed, and for no good reason. &lt;br /&gt;
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And that's all you're getting from me for now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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According to some early literature, When the Resistance captured the time-displacement device form Skynet, they also found Terminators in storage. Using Experience from manipulating the T-800's chip in this film, they were able to do the same with the captured Terminators..&lt;br /&gt;
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The third movie also explains a little more why John Connor is so important. He was supposed to have come to know the head of the department who created Skynet. So he would have known the most about Skynet at the time of Judgement Day. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 03:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Trigger Safety Comment ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:T2JDWin1887-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator protects John from the T-1000's ([[Robert Patrick]]) bullet barrage. Note the Winchester &amp;quot;RA&amp;quot; (Repeating Arms) insignia on the receiver. You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger.]]&lt;br /&gt;
He's a Terminator and wouldn't make the mistake of 'Accidentally' firing the Weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
:Comment has been removed. I had already removed some unnecessary comments, but missed that one.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.  Excellent work!  We need to excise those snarky comments when we see them.  I am SO GLAD that I can now show IMFDB to actors or crew from some of the shows in question and NOT worry about them seeing some sort of comment which is insulting ... to Them! :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Guards Name==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just FYI, the pescadero Guard's name is Lewis. Just hoping someone could change that! [[User:GamerfreakB7|GamerfreakB7]] 18:44, 7 April 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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== T2 Minigun &amp;quot;DROP&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That story about the T2 Minigun being dropped is obviously myth and lore.  Look at the screencap of the Minigun being dropped.  It is clearly a replica.  On the actual prop there is a nub underneath the chainsaw grip from where they took off the carry-handle from the Predator version.  It is completely absent in this screen cap.  Furthermore if you look at the rear part of the Y-frame it has a protrusion on it that is not on the actual gun.  There is a protrusion from where they removed the carry-handle on the real gun, but it looks different.  I'm editing the page accordingly, because it is obviously not he same weapon.  There is no wide shot of Arnold dropping the weapon, just the close up of them dropping the prop.&lt;br /&gt;
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- I have to say that's quite interesting. I too noticed the dropped Minigun looked a bit different. Though the story with Arnold actually dropping the real Mini-Vulcan despite protests about damaging the weapon is quite believable.&lt;br /&gt;
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And ID yourself next time! :P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Some little edits==&lt;br /&gt;
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I took it upon myself to edit a few things, mostly the very few remaining spelling errors, since I'm re-reading the entire page.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also replaced the standard 1911 thumbnail (On the Pescadero Guard) with one of a Nickel 1911, as the guard's gun is Nickel of course.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also I edited this thumbnail text. The extra comment wasn't absolutely necessary, and I agree with the guy who remarked about the comment anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:T2JDHK94c&amp;amp;c-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their HK94A3s at Sarah Connor, without even ordering her to drop her weapons,which doesnt seem like something a SWAT team would do.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Yeah, well, something tells me the SWAT team only gets called in when diplomacy has failed, and given that they'd already shot the place up pretty good, I think the SWAT team was justified in not asking for their honorable surrender. ~Cozmo&lt;br /&gt;
::Wow, so NOT true.  '''SWAT teams are not execution squads.'''  They're still cops. Even when they storm a place, they yell for people to throw down their weapons and lie on the ground.  They are ready for a moment's notice to shoot anyone with a weapon who makes any sort of aggressive move, even inadvertently pointing it in their 'direction' is grounds for getting shot.  The only time a shoot to kill order comes is for a sharpshooter or the perp is actively murdering hostages.  In the context of the film, Sarah and the Terminator had already been listed as Most Wanted (by this time the authorities figured out (falsely) that Sarah was in league with the Terminator whom they linked to the previous massacre in 1984.  So fugitives who had already 'murdered' 17 + cops would probably not get much of a warning when confronted with a SWAT team.  Also the Terminator had already previously destroyed all the cop cars with a mini gun and M79.  The cops would have considered that attempted murder (they don't care if you intentionally miss).  So the gloves were off, but that was a circumstance SPECIFIC to the scene in the movie and not indicative of a SWAT team's role in general.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Otherwise a truly excellent page, probably the best on the site, I'd say. &lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, there were two lines of text stating the trivia was moved here, so I got rid of one of them as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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''Hope you enjoy the ride!'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sarah's CAR-15 Laser?==&lt;br /&gt;
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Was hoping one of the experts here could tell me, I've been wondering for a while.&lt;br /&gt;
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How is the laser on Sarah's CAR-15 mounted? It appears to be under the barrel, but I don't know how it fits.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it a custom mount? --[[Special:Contributions/94.168.135.188|94.168.135.188]] 01:43, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Computer thingy==&lt;br /&gt;
I know not the right place to ask but I'm going mad whats the thing your characters wears around their arms like a gps module or something I have seen it in documentaries some soldier even had a similar one mounted on a G36 stock so its not fictional anyone know whats its called?&lt;br /&gt;
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Answer: its a garmin gps unit. https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=257&amp;amp;ra=true#&lt;br /&gt;
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==KNIFE==&lt;br /&gt;
 http://www.coldsteel.com/gitanto.html this is Soaps Knife in the end.&lt;br /&gt;
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Well I believe the knife that Soap used at the end is the &amp;quot;Boker Plus Tactical Tanto Fixed&amp;quot;, as this knife has been reported to be quite recently issued to the Armed Forces.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is a picture of the knife.[[Image:http://www.heinnie.com/uploads/images_products_large/3158.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Your picture doesn't work. Beyond that, this game has nothing to do with what is actually issued to armed forces(Russians with the AUG? Brazilians with the F2000?) so that's not really evidence tbh... [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know the main knife that's used in-game? You know, the one used for the regular knifing animation, for the tac-knife, and for the throwing knife? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 22:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==USP==&lt;br /&gt;
Wouldn't the USP be a USP teactical. The tacticals have threaded barrels as present on the in game USPs. Or are they some kind of hybrid because they don't use the tactical sights?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The USP in game is a normal USP .45, the only difference is the threaded barrel. The Tactical has a bunch of other differences including the sights. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's my point. Since it has both the characteristics of a tactical and a normal USP would it be a hybrid?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe, let's call it a USP .45 Custom then. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that I take a closer look at it, the slide has sights that look more like the HK45 than the USP. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You could put different sights on the USP [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes but this USP has a threaded barrel so... Aw crap. If we could see the slide we could just say it was a tactical or a USP but it's just some crazy ass combo USP.&lt;br /&gt;
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Nvm I just popped in the game. On the side it said USP without tactical so it is a USP with a threaded barrel.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not that hard to thread a barrel to accept a supressor... [[User:That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck|That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck]] 15:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's called a Heckler and Koch USPSD45, just like the MP5SD's, and there is also a USPSD9.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Archive?==&lt;br /&gt;
I think it's getting to be time to archive this talk page and start fresh, considering it's 166 kb long? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==FAMAS ironsights==&lt;br /&gt;
I have identified the ironsights used on the FAMAS in-game. They are folding rail-mounted BUIS from Midwest Industries. Interestingly, they are also the standard sights that come with the RobArms XCR (which I really wish was in more games).&lt;br /&gt;
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They put those sights there because the FAMAS' original notch and post sights, IMO, suck, and because it gives them a rail to mount the other sights on to. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks more like a Troy sight. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 06:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==ACR==&lt;br /&gt;
Since it's the military version in-game, shouldn't it be referred to as the '''Remington''' ACR? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh, wait, it is. Never Mind. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Its being made by bushmaster. Why the remington logo?&lt;br /&gt;
:Bushmaster is making the semi-auto only civilian version, Remington is making the selective-fire military/LE version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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really? i thought remington bought the ACR from them completely [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 03:20, 20 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Interesting news. The ACR has now been officially released and it the ACR in MW2 is a fake combination of parts. The ACR Basic Configuration has the original handguard from the Magpul Masada, but a different skeleton stock similar to the Magpul MOE or CTR stocks. The ACR Enhanced Configuration has the new squared-off CR handguard with rails and the more iconic ACR stock. The ACR in-game, however, has the ACR Basic handguard (don't be fooled by the fact that there are rails, it's just the original Masada handguard with rails attached) and the ACR Enhanced stock. I'd call it a Magpul Masada, seeing as the trademarks and such aren't discernible as anything real. --[[User:Strategos|Strategos]] 19:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Seeing as the in-game model is taken directly from the ACR featured on FutureWeapons, which was the Magpul version, that makes sense. -CC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Taped Mags==&lt;br /&gt;
I noticed that several of the assualt rifles have tape wrapped around the magazines, is this for a specific reason or just a choice made by the makers? [[User:Death|Death]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Lots of soldiers in the army tape the ends of their mags to distinguish theirs from a buddies, or the mags that they actually bought if they feel their issued ones were overused or sub par. Some also put grip tape so sweaty hands don't slip when pulling them from their pouches.  I'm sure game designers saw this and included it. [[User:Winglebest]]&lt;br /&gt;
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i thought that so whether you put the mag in bottom up or not, you'd know which end to put into the magazine well.&lt;br /&gt;
:anyone who's been properly trained with firearms wouldn't do that. Full magazines always go into the pouch with the brass facing down.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Weapon on newspaper==&lt;br /&gt;
Hey for anyone who has played the game,do you think the rifle from the newspaper they showed when talking about Makarov should be included?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I personally wouldn't have any issue with it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Alrigh good, maybe someone will post a picture up on the internet andwe could add that&lt;br /&gt;
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post at 9 January 2010 --[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 14:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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this is Daewoo K2 &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Daewoo-K2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Daewoo K2 Assault rifle - 5.56mm]] &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mw2k2.png|thumb|none|500px|Daewoo K2 Assault rifle - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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but where have IMI Galil ?&lt;br /&gt;
the left Ultra-nationalist with a Galil ?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Suggestions==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the page needs the F2000 and TAR-21 with their special sights. Also, if anyone is looking for a screen of the M14 EBR with nothing attached, there's one in the spec ops mission where you breach the gulag wall. Oh, and we need the GP-25 included. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 19:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The TAR-21 on the page ''already'' has a MARS sight on it. And the F2000 on the page is the same version used in the game. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::There are no in-game screens of the MARS sight and the F2000's standard scope is in the game as the RDS in multiplayer, or &amp;quot;scoped&amp;quot; in singleplayer.&lt;br /&gt;
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No one ever went through with this? --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==winchester 1887 loading animation==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it supposed to load through reciever like that?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sort of. The animation shows the rounds being placed in the upper tube (the barrel) rather than the lower tube (the magazine). [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is wierd, but 1887's do load that way.&lt;br /&gt;
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The shells slip into the breech, past the chamber and down into the tube magazine below the barrel.   &lt;br /&gt;
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:::This one looks like the cowboy action shooter style thats made to quickly load 2 shots, usually custom jobs but I believe Legacy Arms -&amp;gt; Puma Arms is currently selling one.  Since in cowboy action shooting you can only have a maximum of 2 rounds in a shotgun.  [[Special:Contributions/24.177.167.87|24.177.167.87]]Pawnstar&lt;br /&gt;
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== Price's 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Actually its in the game it can be picked up and used in the museum, don't know about MP though.&lt;br /&gt;
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*It's not featured in MP, it's exclusive to the single player level Museum, though I have heard you can find it during an early mission, much in the same way as to how the desert eagle in MW was found on Crew Expendable (the only one in the entire SP campaign btw). Apparently on one of the loading screens, it details the weapon as a GI 1911 (unsure of the manufactuer) compared to what it was in Modern Warfare, a Springfield Armoury 1911 Professional model. [[Draco122|Draco122]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On one of the loading scenes I think it said it was a colt.&lt;br /&gt;
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The one used by price is a springer pro, colt's just a more recognizable name to put in loading screens.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, most definitely NOT a Colt. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not arguing about the policies of IMFDB, or what the 1911 is listed as, but it is possible that the 1911 in-game is a Colt. Just look at &amp;quot;The Punisher (2004)&amp;quot; page and take a good look at his custom pistols. They started out as standard Colt 1911's and ended up like that with all the upgrades put on it. Give me a standard Colt and enough money and I can promise you I'll make it look just like the 1911 in game. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 06:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And the logic in making a Colt look exactly like a Springer Pro is...? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::To validate my argument. Or if you find yourself the owner of a standard Colt 1911 and wish to make it look and function better without buying a new gun. The military was thinking along the same lines with the MEU SOC. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 12:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, that's all irrelevant anyway. IMFDB policy is to identify guns by what they LOOK like, not what they can be customized to look like. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Wasn't the policy to identify guns by what you actually ''are'', not just what they look like? If there was a M4 with an SIR system that looks like an HK416, would I list it as an HK416? --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 06:47, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The SIR system doesn't make the M4 LOOK like a 416, so why label as a 416? I can never understand people that can't seem to tell the difference between an M4 with rails and a 416. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:38, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M93R ==&lt;br /&gt;
There is a confirmation of the M93R machine pistol to be unlocked in MW2 online as confirmed in this video at the bottom of this page&lt;br /&gt;
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CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO ADD PICTURES ONTO A PAGE ?????????????&lt;br /&gt;
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Somebody change the part where it says &amp;quot;Beretta 92FS converted to burst-fire,&amp;quot; it's obviously a Beretta M93R are and not a 92FS. --[[User:Frostbite249|Frostbite249]] 13:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)-&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's a 92. The weapon in game has the safety mounted on the slide, like the 92, whereas the 93 has it mounted on the frame. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 14:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure that's fine and all, but at least clear it up so there's no misunderstandings - I mean it says &amp;quot;converted to ''full auto''&amp;quot; when in-game, it's only 3 round burst. --[[User:Frostbite249|Frostbite249]] 13:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Then maybe &amp;quot;converted to ''selective fire''&amp;quot; is a bit better wording? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You guys know that Beretta only made a couple hundred of the M93Rs. [[user:SargeOverkill]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Well why pick a rare gun? why not pick something more common?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Who saw this video, 92, FS or SB? ==&lt;br /&gt;
The video with the Beretta M9, Ive not seen, Is it a 92 FS or SB?, i mean this isn't my site but still putting M9 just make's it as noobs are running the place, lol sorry, so who has the link to the video?&lt;br /&gt;
*It is impossible to understand it from video. The only place this pistol appears is shown on the screenshot, the trigger guard is not seen, so i decided to discribe it as military modification, M9. I don't think, that it is a big problem for you to write what is this pistol realy is, whan we will have a better view.&lt;br /&gt;
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Didn't mean to offended you, it's just most people come to this site to get correct info on weapons, but i suppose putting M9 isn't that bad considering that its the correct name, i just feel its lack of info.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its the 92SB again, you can tell on its Create-A-Class picture&lt;br /&gt;
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== Airsoft ==&lt;br /&gt;
I like airsoft as much as the next guy, but we already have pictures of ''real'' M4A1s and MP5Ks on the site, so no need to replace them with pics of airsoft replicas. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, but the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; M4A1s and MP5Ks in the game don't look like those pictures; for the sake of identification, wouldn't it just be simpler to use images that at least look like the weapons from the game, whether they're real or not? Besides, there are plenty of other pages that use airsoft images, so why should this one be an exception?&lt;br /&gt;
:Biggest part of airsoft pictures used on this site are of guns we don't have pictures of. As you can see on the [[M16 rifle series|M16]] and [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5|MP5]] pages, we have plenty of pictures of the real things, so no need to add airsoft replicas to the page instead. Whether or not they're equipped with a specific rail system or not is moot, since the rail systems in question are pictured beneath the weapons and the addition of them ''on'' the weapons doesn't change anything. An M4 is still an M4 and an MP5K is still an MP5K. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There has always been guns we see in movies that have been customized and don't look like the stock photos of the gun unmodded. It's best to have a picture of the real thing than a fake that LOOKS like the one used in the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Then shouldn't all the other airsoft pictures (such as the Custom 1911 seen on the MGS4 page and the Cutlass on the Black Lagoon page, and even the Springfield Armory M1911 on CoD4's and MW2's page) be replaced with stock pictures? If you're gonna insist on this, you might as well go all the way.&lt;br /&gt;
::As I've already pointed out, '''biggest part of airsoft pictures used on this site are of guns we don't have pictures of'''. So those images are there '''because we don't have pics of the real things'''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, I'm in favor of pictures of the weapons modded or detailed as they are seen in the movie or game.  Chances are the link takes you to the base page for them anyway, so you can see a picture of the real deal. Someone might be looking for a picture of the gun that is identical to how it is in the film or game.  Whether it's airsoft or not to me seems moot as long as it is the weapon in question.  Of course, no orange tips, please. -- ZG&lt;br /&gt;
:The problem I have with all Airsoft guns is that they all scream &amp;quot;FAKE!&amp;quot; to those of us who spend alot of time around the real thing. Now as placeholders until we get a real weapon image I don't mind as it's a placeholder. Useing an airsoft gun insted of a real firearm that we have an image of that I just don't like. We do get the occational screem used weapon here and even when those have been beat to hell they are much better than the most realistic airsoft gun.--[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:48, 29 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Replaced the airsoft M4A1 with the pic of a real one yet again. It doesn't matter whether it looks exactly like it does in-game or not. An M4A1 is an M4A1, regardless of what it looks like. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But if you could find a picture of what it looks like exactly in the game, wouldn't you use it? -- ZG&lt;br /&gt;
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:The inclusion of a few tacticool accessories is not enough of a reason to waste server space on even more photos of a weapon we already have a number of photos of. For the third time, an M4A1 is an M4A1 regardless of what kind of rail system and whatnot is on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I (not that it matters) am perfectly fine with pictures of the real deal and I love the effort that's gone into posting such great screenshots.  I just hope the trend keeps with noting what particular accessories are present.  I'm one of those douchebags that sees guns in the movies and thinks &amp;quot;Golly!  I want mine to look just like that!&amp;quot;  In any case, I love the site and it hasn't let me down yet. -- ZG&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nothing at all wrong with noting what kind of accessories are used and by no means does it make you (or anyone else) a douchebag. I mean, flashlights, IR and visible lasers, optics... all that stuff is awesome. I just think it's unnecessary (as well as a waste of server space) to have multiple pics of one weapon customized in multiple different ways each for a few specific pages when one pic of the weapon in its standard configuration can be used on all pages, with minor differences noted in the descriptory paragraph. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree.  I'm all for the efficient use of resources and I come here for info and screenshots anyway.  I wasn't necessarily against airsoft pictures but I do see it a different way now.  In the spirit of full disclosure, however, I really am quite a douchebag. -- ZG&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lol XD Well, they ''do'' say honesty is golden... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Planned Weapons==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did the informatio for most of these planned weapons come from??&lt;br /&gt;
:No idea, and no one has posted any sources, and there's no way to edit it now. Maybe if another multiplayer video shows up, someone with some authority will notice them and can remove them. I mean, really, the XM8? COD4 never had it and that came out when it was still showing up in every &amp;quot;realistic&amp;quot; FPS.--[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::IMHO, the XM8 is way overused in video games today. I'm glad IW shied away from it in favor of weapons like the ACR/Masada, that actually got beyond ''prototype'' stage. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
the acr isnt past prototype stage&lt;br /&gt;
:::No, it just isn't widely available yet, but it ''is'' beyond prototype stage. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The ACR is actually being produced by both Bushmaster and Remington. It's already being marketed and available to purchase [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The ACR is not yet available for purchase (if it was, I'd already own one), Cerberus (the supergroup that owns both Remington and Bushmaster) is ramping up production on the rifles. The design is, however, complete, and one of the weapons was given away to a civilian recently as part of a raffle. It is expected to compete in an upcoming US Army rifle test.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Winchester 1887==&lt;br /&gt;
Is the Winchester 1887 actually confirmed for the game? If it is, you can pretty much create a T2 class with that shotgun, the thumper, juggernaut, stopping power and something else that suits Arnie:P - Madax XXI 12:28&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yup, it's in there. I'm totally gonna have a Terminator 2 online kit. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's definetely confirmed now, and with the big cocking loop and sawnoff stock and barrel too, only a hint of Terminator 2 fanboyism from IW there.... Can't wait to try it though. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I found it in campaign a minute ago and it really sucks-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 01:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Same here, I heard it has fairly good range and damaged when stacked up to the other shotguns, it just has a slower ROF, due to the lever action. you can dual wield them though, which says something. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's one of the only shotguns with the furthest range out of the lot in MP, this and steady aim and it's a monster in it's own. Like you said M14, it has a low ROF and the second smallest capacity next to the ranger [[Draco122|Draco122]] 21:06, 26 November 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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::Actually it doesn't. I picked an 1887 up off a dead guy today, and was amazed. first thing is, that it has stunning range. Easily the best, can hit damn close to 50 feet. It holds 7 shots in MP as well, and you can dual wield them, cocking them T2 style. It's a beast of a shotgun, and I can't wait to unlock it for myself. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Isn't this weapon the Winchester 1897 shotgun, originally designed for trench warfare and used by the US military thru Vietnam (and plenty are still in use by civilians in the US).  In playing COD 5: World at War, I haven't found the shotguns to be particularly effective.  The Japanese NPCs are often so quick (esp in the higher difficulty level) that they are on you before you can chamber another round (esp in the section of the game where you have to destroy a howitzer with a 3 barreled 25mm AA gun and quickly take up a covered position to eliminate the Japanese counter-attack using a scoped Springfield).  Two Japanese soldiers immediately attack you.  I was killed more often using the shotgun than using the Type 100 or the .30 belt-fed machine gun--whose name just eluded me.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: It's not an 1897, it's an 1887, being lever-action not pump-action. That and it's styled after the Terminator 2 shotgun anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==M1014 Removal?==&lt;br /&gt;
Should we remove the section on the M1014 in this game? There hasnt been any confirmation of it appearing in game, aside from the misplaced icon.&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it has been confirmed now&lt;br /&gt;
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== Any Ideas On The .44 Magnum == &lt;br /&gt;
I think its either a Raging bull or a colt anaconda. both look quite simmlar but im thinkin it more a colt anaconda than a raging bull reason being that the the magnum in game look as if it has smaller vents were as the raging bull as quite thick vents. --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 22:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On the Call of Duty wikipedia website it said it was a colt anaconda&lt;br /&gt;
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Link plz? --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 22:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Found a video on youtube where they switch classes revealing a .44 magnum on 0:16 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xv37FiiOAk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xv37FiiOAk]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clean Up Page==&lt;br /&gt;
I cleaned up the main page, but i can change it back if any one want's. --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 21:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that FourZeroTwo has a gun on his back before getting knifed, that you missed. It appears to be a PP-2000, please correct me if I'm wrong&lt;br /&gt;
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You could be right, but Ive got a hunch it could be a MP7, which seems more likely. But from what we can see its hard to tell. (thx also :)&lt;br /&gt;
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No problem, I just love MW and MW2 and had to point that out, but I didnt know who to talk to about it. Great site, too:) I learned loads about guns, like the difference between a Beretta and a Taurus:) - Terry 00:06&lt;br /&gt;
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I was right about the PP-2000!:) - Terry 23:30&lt;br /&gt;
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I was like &amp;quot;Sure&amp;quot; when i saw your above post, then i look at the pic of the PP-2000 akimbo, and was like &amp;quot;FUCK&amp;quot; cool any way m8 :)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bullet Types ==&lt;br /&gt;
What is this about the Tavor being loaded with FMJ's? Is this supposed to mean that along with choosing weapon attachments, we also get to choose bullet types? - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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A bit too confusing now lol, I'm thinking it will just be a perk, because if im right fmj's give higher velocities, but i couldn't see how this would affect the game, in cod 4 all bullets moved at the same speeds?&lt;br /&gt;
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Where do you get the info that FMJ give higher velocities? just curious?&lt;br /&gt;
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What i understand is that FMJ are solid bullets and the only bullets &amp;quot;allowed&amp;quot; in warfare from the Hague Conventions.&lt;br /&gt;
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True, but but a &amp;quot;Black&amp;quot; operation such as this would hardly be concerned with the rules of &amp;quot;conventional warfare.&amp;quot; =P&lt;br /&gt;
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The Theory behind JHP (Jacketed Hollow Points) is that upon impact of the target the nose of the bullet mushrooms to a much larger size the then original diameter(caliber) of the bullet causing a larger wound channel and more &amp;quot;stopping power&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The downside to this is that since JHP expand during impact the force of the bullet is dispersed over a larger area on the target making these bullets less likely to pierce body armor, also some HP bullets give certain firearms trouble when cycling this ammo. my 1911 for instance... =)&lt;br /&gt;
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Your 1911's feeding of hollow point has to do with the type of 1911 usually. Different kinds of feeding ramps I'm told. My series 70 Gold cup has the same problem but my Springfield TRP feeds just fine.&lt;br /&gt;
FMJ's moving at Higher velocities has to do with air drag, hollow points would create more of it. As others have said hope this helps, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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But basically all bullets work well for their intended applications. its just that in this day and age there are so many options for a person to use its just matching the bullet to the task. Hunting, Target, Match, Self-defense, Low recoil or &amp;quot;Cowboy&amp;quot; Loads, Plinking. Its endless. -Furious Oyster (feel free to expand or remove if incorrect or unnecessary, just trying to help)&lt;br /&gt;
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well... I didn't exactly want a bullet discussion, i was just wondering how this would affect the game, like if infinity ward would make it horrible and make stuff like hollow points do something like 4 times damage but only go as far as a &amp;quot;Call of Duty Shotgun&amp;quot;. - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Where do you get the info that FMJ give higher velocities? just curious?&amp;quot;- I just read alot on firearms :P but i remember coming across it?&lt;br /&gt;
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As far as i know there is an international convention that bans the use of hollow point bullets and other expanding bullets for millitary purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That would be the Hague Convention. But from what I understand, it bans their use against ''state-employed combatants'' only, leaving them fair game for counter-terrorism ops and the like. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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FMJs could be like the perk &amp;quot;Deep Impact&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
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They are an attachment for the guns that gives them a little extra damage and better penetration through walls too.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Extended Magazines Attachments ==&lt;br /&gt;
Thought it was pretty cool, but will it be like a drum mag or something like bandolier, what ever it is i hope it applies to assault rifles.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Could be a dual mag clip, so you can reload faster. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 00:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Magazine dammit!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
He said a clip that holds two magazines together for a speedier reload - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
:::Huh. i never heard of that before. Good point, Mythekal.&lt;br /&gt;
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Lol its still a mag Mythekal!&lt;br /&gt;
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its usually just a metal or plastic part that latches to both mags allowing you to just pull out the used one move it to the left and reinsert the fresh mag... Some times its just a piece of tape. Google AR-15 mag couplers or something. -Furious Oyster (Sorry miss read it)&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew what a dual mag clip is, i was merely trying to explain it to who ever thought that M14Fan said &amp;quot;Clip&amp;quot; instead of Magazine. And here is a picture to avoid further confusion. -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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There better be an attachment like this for the AA-12, cause its gonna get really annoying reloading that lousy 8-shot magazine every five seconds after unloading on someone lol-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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Apparently the extended mags are exactly what you think. They take the standard magazines of any gun and just add like 10 more rounds to it. I don't know about the reload animation, but most likely it's the same. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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the extended mags look exactly the same and reload the same they've just got more rounds- red raindog&lt;br /&gt;
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==Barret .50== &lt;br /&gt;
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At the end of the Flag Runner video FourZeroTwo has a Barret M82. May not be, but it looks like one and sounds like one, it's a little blurry so i wasn't sure? -Final Tsurugi&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like a Barrett XM500 - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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How did i not notice that, actually might be a Barrett M99? - Final Tsurugi&lt;br /&gt;
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:Or it could be the M107, the updated M82. ][[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy] 01:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It wasnt the M99 because it was firing semi-automatically, and from the angle, the magazine was not visible, so i assume it was a bullpup - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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It is a Barret M82/M107, if you pause the video at the right moment you can see the magazine in front of the grip, i actually got excited to think we might have a bull-pup sniper in Modern Warfare 2 :P -Final Tsurugi&lt;br /&gt;
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Nope. Youre all wrong, I mean you got the .50BMG part right, but its actually an Accuracy International AS50. Come on guys I cant be the only one who noticed that-Kellers357&lt;br /&gt;
I'm almost positive that it is not an AI. It is just a M107 [[User:mythekal|mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Most definitely a Barret 82/M107. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is an M82A1, just like in COD4. M107's actually larger than the M82, but has less recoil because of its internal design. --[[User:Frostbite249|Frostbite249]] 13:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brazillian Militia? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalhão_de_Operações_Policiais_Especiais BOPE] or I am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually like that causal outfit the militia wear :)&lt;br /&gt;
::Me too. I never seen a Brazilian wear a 1980s Miami Vice style flower shirt, but i do like how they have militia wearing Brazilian football team shirts. Makes it more realistic. I like the flower shirts though. They are cheesy as hell. It fits the game. Also, Please sign your posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah Miami vice ftw :) --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 21:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Guns from the new teaser==&lt;br /&gt;
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP-10]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP-10]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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no, its an MP5K equipped with some sort of an RIS handguard to me-Kellers357&lt;br /&gt;
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looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
its a UMP with the foresight removed for the red dot-Kellers357&lt;br /&gt;
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The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.&lt;br /&gt;
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.&lt;br /&gt;
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns &amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns from the trailer ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]&lt;br /&gt;
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&amp;amp;Wshooter&lt;br /&gt;
:Could be a variant of the KTR-03S - an AK custom build [http://www.krebscustom.com/RawPhotos/6-28-04/KTR-03SFinal.jpg]. - MCain (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]])&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil.  The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:&lt;br /&gt;
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I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*A Kriss Super V?&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know who the guy with the KRISS is? Im calling him Brazilian Secret Service but I'm sure Im wrong. Help?-Kellers357&lt;br /&gt;
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941  since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.&lt;br /&gt;
:::''I concur.  It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots.  It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver.  On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy.  Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best.  This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.&lt;br /&gt;
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== The machine gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?&lt;br /&gt;
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well the M240B has been added just look at the new multiplayer trailer. IGN rewind theater confirms it too. could someone add it on the main article? -Mandaloin&lt;br /&gt;
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==New AK==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I said &amp;quot;NATO forces&amp;quot;--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.&lt;br /&gt;
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It's gotta be an AKM.&lt;br /&gt;
::Why the      it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.&lt;br /&gt;
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guys, I guess it's new railed AK-103 from Izhmash with M4ish buttstock and waffled mags. Check the link below for pics, note the same muzzle brake etc as in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[http://depositfiles.com/files/xgycdj189 new AK-103]&lt;br /&gt;
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:That link goes to a pay-to-download site. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Gentleman, why do the russians carry AKs with a bunch of western furniture on them? I don't think Izhmash orders their stock and handgrip parts from Tapco. Great thinking, Modern Warfare 2 producers!  -Camden&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unrealeted ==&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the     ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother    ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line &amp;quot;he's got a contact in rio&amp;quot; and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!&lt;br /&gt;
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To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
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Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Hopes For New Game==&lt;br /&gt;
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Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.&lt;br /&gt;
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What the fick is an &amp;quot;akarov&amp;quot;? Lol-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.&lt;br /&gt;
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as      like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the &amp;quot;Surpressors&amp;quot;, and &amp;quot;Ghillie Suits&amp;quot; but really was a &amp;quot;Greek Tragedy&amp;quot; on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions &amp;quot;Blackout&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;All Ghillied Up&amp;quot;? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments &amp;quot;No Attachment&amp;quot; has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the &amp;quot;No Attachment&amp;quot; feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has &amp;quot;No Attachment&amp;quot; for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.&lt;br /&gt;
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* If they added compensators to the attachments for handguns would be cool. It sucks that there's only one attachment for pistols in MW1, and the D-Eagle hasnt got anything that can be put on it, and that sucks even more. Maybe different calibers for the D-Eagles could be used too, but that might be going too far. And I hope theres an SG552 in there aswell, I love that gun so much. And if they added firing selection to the game, you could switch the SPAS from pump to semi auto, which would also be cool, and a touch more realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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:More Desert Eagle is the ''last'' thing this game needs. Seriously, why not a SIG 226 or HK45 instead (i.e., an actual ''combat pistol'')? One thing I want for sure is a freaking fire selector for assault rifles and carbines. Like has been said on the CoD4 page, full auto or bust sucks. I prefer quick double tapping on semi-auto. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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My hopes for this game?  An automatic FAMAS; leave the 3-round burst to the M16.  Also, a true M14.  As for everything else, well, the only thing I was worried about from the onset was the RPD, but since it's been confirmed, I'm ecstatic.  And I like how they're doing the secondary weapon thing.  Having a shotgun as your primary could be pretty useless sometimes...[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 21:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
-you no what, they need to make a real &amp;quot;modern  warfare&amp;quot; game, like with acts going from Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, and hell Somalia, who wouldnt want to play a blackhawk down game with kick ass graphics AND guns, that is what cod7 should be and obviously with the real weaponry they had, ex- no Magpul Masada in vietnam, Sad but true, any agree with this?- Griz&lt;br /&gt;
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==Winchester 1200==&lt;br /&gt;
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We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?&lt;br /&gt;
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.&lt;br /&gt;
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun      in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Watching over the video again on youtube and moderwarfare2.com, the weapon does look like a Winchester 1200 at first glance, yet I'm also convinced it may be a Remington 870 MCS, either in the Entry configuration or the Patrol Configuration due to the length of the barrel or it maybe the combination of the two, due to the length of the barrel with an added entry front sight. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 22:15, 11 August 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alright ==&lt;br /&gt;
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Here they come:&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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YOU FOOL! It's &amp;quot;sons-of-bitches&amp;quot;. That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== gameplay demo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2&lt;br /&gt;
it showed &amp;quot;Roach&amp;quot;(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar&lt;br /&gt;
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?&lt;br /&gt;
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions?  Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.&lt;br /&gt;
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It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.&lt;br /&gt;
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::That little     er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) &amp;quot;Olive Drab&amp;quot;. [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&amp;amp;W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Weapons-trailers==&lt;br /&gt;
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Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the  110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Youtube, theres a &amp;quot;weapons&amp;quot; one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all         . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hbar? ==&lt;br /&gt;
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother     is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&amp;amp;tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a &amp;quot;H&amp;quot; in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Correct Name ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the &amp;quot;M&amp;quot; section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the &amp;quot;C&amp;quot; section with out changing the name that will be organized.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;You can call it Call of Duty 6 if you want...People just look at me stupid when I do it. They understand when I say 'Modern Warfare 2'.&amp;quot; -Camden&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the &amp;quot;Call of Duty&amp;quot; moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Or we could make a new &amp;quot;Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2&amp;quot; page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2.  [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.&lt;br /&gt;
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so i think we should call it call of duty modern warfare 2 -Mandaloin&lt;br /&gt;
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Thats just the boxart. Officially by the gamedevs its only called Modern warefare 2. They just slapped &amp;quot;call of duty&amp;quot; on there because a lot of people are stupid enough not to realise this IS a sequel to Call of Duty 4: modern warefare [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::...and this is why the rest of the world laughs at you. The UN uses the US for two things: money and muscle. If we need a billion dollars-worth of hardware and a couple of divisions of witless jocks to drive it around, you're who we go to. The two hardest things about a UN mission are coming up with a spin which makes the Yanks feel self-important and translating your orders from French to American English.&lt;br /&gt;
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and     s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda     ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah that's from the original book, Rainbow Six. The games are all based around it. He was and Ex-SEAL who was recruited by the CIA and became an Operator[a Spy, if you wanna be movie technical.]. His name was John Clark.&lt;br /&gt;
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:My Rainbow Six history isn't what it used to be, but I'm pretty sure John Clark was just the director of Rainbow and didn't do much field work (most of which was left to Ding Chavez, at least until the Vegas games when he was promoted to Six and Logan and Bishop were brought into the picture). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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True, he didn't do much feild. About all he did in the basis of feild work was at the end of the novel where they hunt down the Bio-terrorist's and chase them to their secondary base in Brazil. He run's the show basically as Feild Commander.&lt;br /&gt;
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Task Force 141 in-game is made-up of an unknown amount of countries military. The three that you can definately tell are, U.S. Military, British S.A.S., and Australian S.A.S.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== CPT. Price ==&lt;br /&gt;
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;quot;I'm really going to confuse the discussion, If Gaz got shot the face with an Action Express and died...(Which I watched) Why does Ghost sound like Gaz?&amp;quot; -Camden&lt;br /&gt;
::You aren't confusing anyone. They sound the same because they have the same voice actor. You know, sort of like how Naomi Hunter in Metal Gear Solid 1/4 and Emma Emmerich in Metal Gear Solid 2 sound the same even though they're not the same person? Seriously, all this ridiculous &amp;quot;Ghost is Gaz&amp;quot; crap and those gullible enough to believe it are getting on my nerves. Gaz took a bullet to the head. He's '''dead'''. Accept it and move on with your life.  [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys&lt;br /&gt;
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*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest&lt;br /&gt;
::Even though Price's survival or lack-there-of has already been confirmed in this game, I feel the need to comment on this specific comment. The medic wasn't bashing his chest. He was administering a medical procedure called a precordial thump. It's used on victims of cardiac arrest when there isn't a defibrillator on hand. Therefore, he wasn't pounding his chest in defeat, he was pounding his chest to start his first aid treatment. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.&lt;br /&gt;
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.&lt;br /&gt;
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No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yes, but apparently Soap has a glorious Mohawk. And Price could be a good Zombie.&lt;br /&gt;
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:What reason would there be for him ''not'' to? Guys get wounded and go back to active duty all the time. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Unfortunatly that could just end up being part of a flashback mission like in CoD 4. Here's hoping it's for a part of the main game.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-Hes in the new trailer. Seriously, end of debate- k9870&lt;br /&gt;
::If you're on about the guy on the assault boat, all we see is a guy in a boonie from behind. I'm going to withhold judgement until the game actually comes out.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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At beginning of the Takedown level, Royce addresses &amp;quot;Bravo Six,&amp;quot; Price's call sign from CoD4. Keep in mind that Captain Macmillan was Alpha Six, and that Soap's call sign is ''rumored'' to be Papa Six.&lt;br /&gt;
:: Except Bravo six was also Lt Vasquez's callsign. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Except that Vasquez died in a nuclear explosion. Price's odds of survival are much better that someone who was nuked, crashed in a helicopter, and then exposed to radiation. &lt;br /&gt;
::: Hence my point, which is that the callsign is non-indicative. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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chewbacca doesnt count since hes furry...-Supertoaster 18:05, 9/6/2010&lt;br /&gt;
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it has been rumored that captain price (billy murray) will return as the commander of the 22 reg along with SSGT griggs (somehow) due to the fact we have been told (through the twitter page) that the voice actors have been paid record their voices but even then thiers nothing from stoping them from making another flashback mission  with them&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hence my original point. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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sorry ment to update that earlier CPT price is confirmed as retuning as the unit leader again after soap and roach break him out of a Russian prison (at that point price trys to kill roach but stops when he sees soap) the M1911 that you see on soap is the same as whats from MW1 which is returned to price then you can figure the rest out. end of story. regards scarec&lt;br /&gt;
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:SEALs? Don't you mean Rangers? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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In Multiplayer, you have a different voice that announces the game for the Rangers. You would hear an american voice say &amp;quot;insert type of game&amp;quot;, then he would say &amp;quot;Rangers lead the way&amp;quot;. The voice of Griggs would say &amp;quot;insert type of game&amp;quot; then &amp;quot;let's do this&amp;quot;, in mulitplayer, you can play middle easterns, Brazillians, russians, british, and Rangers. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nobody, it's a call sign. Gaz is dead and Ghost is not him in disguise. IW confirmed this. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:42, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Insert insane theory about how the bullet just blew Gaz's ear off, and so he survived, and that IW is just lying to us to give Gaz an epic reveal when he comes back to life in the third game, here*. Sorry, couldn't resist. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:02, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==General Observations==&lt;br /&gt;
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery.  When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].&lt;br /&gt;
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== The New pictures ==&lt;br /&gt;
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of     ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother    ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother    ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== TAR-21 or F2000? ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:My question is where the      is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&amp;amp;Wshooter)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I see it now. It is an F2000 with the shotgun attachment and the way the shotgun is attached makes the gun look retarded. They didn't make the SCAR's own grenade launcher attachment, so obviously they didn't do the F2000's attachment and worse, they didn't take off the removeable handguard and just put the M203 directly under the barrel, they had to slap it at the bottom of the damn thing. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I have heard however that the F2000s red dot sight in multiplayer is the standard F2000 optical sight, much like the TAR-21 uses the MARS sight in multiplayer as well, and the L86 uses the SUSAT in place of the ACOG. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I've used F2000s with the standard scope in Special Ops and the L86 does indeed have a SUSAT (that thing is horrible, BTW) in place of the ACOG. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::It is man. The L86 has awful accuracy, almost no range, and once you get two or three rounds off, it's all over the place. For me, it's the HBAR amigo. I'll take thr ability to hit people over drum mags any day. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP7? Are you sure? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Where do you exactly see MP7?&lt;br /&gt;
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I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.&lt;br /&gt;
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.&lt;br /&gt;
MP7 doesn't match...&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw a picture of it yesterday and i cant remember where. and i think it was a russian behind a shield, but im not sure if i remember that correctly. but the MP7 is definitely here -Mandaloin&lt;br /&gt;
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== FAL Please ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June &lt;br /&gt;
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== TDI &amp;quot;Kriss&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not&lt;br /&gt;
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get        off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the         faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry &amp;quot;noob tuber&amp;quot; all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:As far as the Kriss goes they sure as hell have never fired it (which disappoints me that they put all these exotic weapons in that they really havent touched... in COD4 they actually fired most of the weapons and that gave it a level of authenticity) so i dont think they'll pay attention to the fact that it takes most of the recoil for you. when you fire it youll probably be shooting all over the place with heavy recoil -Mandaloin&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well looky here, an icon for picking up a &amp;quot;FAL Red Dot sight&amp;quot; In the Multiplayer trailer. There is a god, because the FN FAL has finally made it into an awesome game![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 05:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Kriss does seem to have a comparably short barrel to the UMP. IW could lower the damage due to the lower velocity? not sure what barrel length is ideal for .45ACP but I just thought that could be used as a reason to balance? that and the Kriss only uses the .45 Glock pistol mags correct? so maybe your attachment is an extended mag to help compete? -FuriousOyster&lt;br /&gt;
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:From what we've seen, the Kriss in MW2 is already being used with the experimental 26 round magazine currently being developed for the gun. As for barrel length, it's on par with the UMP, plus its shorter overall. Who knows, maybe IW will just make the Kriss what it is in real life, a hard and precise hitting sub machine gun. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Apparently IW got the Kriss right on how controllable it is when firing on full auto. It doesn't go all over the place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Vector is stunningly good. A bit down on power, but accurate and it can handle it's high ROF. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Been unlocking the attachments for the Vector and it is kind of nerf on the power. It's really not the strong, but has a high rate of fire and accuracy [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:52, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== HK416? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possible HK416-&lt;br /&gt;
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The SAS guy with the Mohawk &amp;amp; Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&amp;amp;K hallmark diopter sights...).&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope they don't. It's not that I necessarily hate the HK416 (well, okay, maybe I do ''a little bit''), but let's give LWRC's or Colt's gas pistons some love. The 416 and XM8 are way overused in shooters today. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
:And the rear sight on Soap's M4 looks more like an ARMS #40L to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Again, why do people think that when they see a cool looking AR15 in a game or a movie shot they RIGHT AWAY say, HK416 or M468 AKA REC7 as it is called now.? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Because a lot of people are so fracking biased against DI guns that it's crazy. They're quick to tout the AK's widespread use as an example of its so-called &amp;quot;superiority&amp;quot;, but that same argument means &amp;quot;absolutely nothing&amp;quot; to the same people when it's applied to the M4 and variants ''chosen'' by elite forces all over the planet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah, i agree, it is ridiculous, especially since you can upgrade an m4 to perform exactly like any of the other new weapons and do it for a $1,000 cheaper. it makes you wonder why were even replacing the m4?&lt;br /&gt;
:Same reason the army bought a new grenade launcher: It's shiny and new. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well you have to think about the old saying. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. But with weapon systems, they do get out dated and don't last forever. Eventually it's naturally to want to replace what you have now even though it's an effective piece of equipment that's served you for many years. Think back when the M16 was first introduced. It got so much crap from the old timers in the military that it took almost a decade to get it fielded. And now the M16 is a beloved icon of American power and loved by millions. Times change and so would weapons. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==FN P90==&lt;br /&gt;
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said &amp;quot;Press # to ick up P90&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Re-added ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game &amp;quot;''Modern Warfare 2''&amp;quot; (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game &amp;quot;''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''&amp;quot;, search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have &amp;quot;''Call of Duty''&amp;quot; on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i luv p-90 its awesome. i'v been playing modern warefare for one week now and what i did was i got bling pro(allows you to chose 2 perks) and i took a p-90 and put akimbo and rapid fire. its CRAZY. whenever your in close quarters with that combo, your invincibal.&lt;br /&gt;
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ps il be online soon, its been three months and ill be back on chrismas&lt;br /&gt;
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== Walther WA2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;People, it's there in-game. Not in any of the missions I've seen, but I use it all the time in Spec-ops, Then gilly suited russians try to kill me with it when I play the chernobyl mission. there is a Frowny Face sticker on the inside of the scope cover. Very funny!&amp;quot; -Camden&lt;br /&gt;
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== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720&lt;br /&gt;
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I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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NVG's that max out to 50 feet, failll&lt;br /&gt;
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:*facedesk* Behold, NVGs for less then 200 with a $70 game and art book, Who wants to bet those are made by a company who's name you can't pronounce and is based in a country that rhymes with Dina? Anyhow, I already pre-ordered the standard game, I don't need fancy art books and hard cases and crappy NVGs, I just want what may be the best FPS ever created, period. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I'm don't want the nod to use, I just want them as a bad-@$$ display for the living room. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::And they actually function pretty well. I can make out the stop sign at the entrance to the complex I live in, and it's quite a bit further away than 50 feet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cover Restoration ==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== SPAS-12? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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its a FAMAS- the folded bipod&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nope, it's a WA2000&lt;br /&gt;
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::The Walther WA2000 has a &amp;quot;skeletal&amp;quot; look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant &amp;quot;bipod&amp;quot;, not &amp;quot;stock&amp;quot;. I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not a shotgun, the &amp;quot;handgrip&amp;quot; is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Confirmed Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::So, it's almost sure that the weapons carried by the brazilians are FAL? I don't think they will include two weapons pretty identical... Unless they changed the rate of fire on each weapon much like the M4/M16 AR.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's the Imbel but Infinity Ward named it FN FAL. Like the AKMSU/AK-74S fuck up in Modern Warfare 1.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think its the fal, it looks like it uses a bigger magazine therefore a bigger round, the MD 3 uses 223, the fal uses 308&lt;br /&gt;
::I noticed that too. It looks like a FN FAL with an 30 round magazine. But look at the Forearm. It looks like an MD-3 forearm to me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::But it could be based on the DSA SA-58, which has a shorter fore end, and curved .308 mags do exist. Either way though, a FAL in Mw2 is win in my books. Infact, here's a nice picture that may help that theory, [url]http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DSA-SA-58-OSW.jpg[/url] [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Terribly disappointed that the 1911 is not used in multiplayer - JanG&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not just disappointing, it's a crime. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:54, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==M4==&lt;br /&gt;
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The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??&lt;br /&gt;
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:wheres the proof?&lt;br /&gt;
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::As of now, nothing can be added to the main article since there are no sources or evidence that provide the actual facts. Do you happen to have a link of the official statement? I think what he means is that the M4 (when mounted with sights or scopes) looks like a Bushmaster ORC (Optics-Ready Carbine), since it's rear and front sights are already removed. But just because it looks like it doesn't mean it has to be a Bushmaster. And again, guys, please sign your edits. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 21:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The M4 IS a Bushmaster! And proof is right here on IMFDB! I took this from the pic of Soap and enlarged it.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Soap_Bushmaster_M4.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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Snake logo on the mag well is Bushmaster's. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And I just noticed Soap is wearing US Army UCP, as well... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:So what? In this fictional universe, Bushmaster makes all the M4s? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well, true, but this is a video game set in the near future. It could very well be possible that Bushmaster took over M4 production from Colt (since their exclusivity agreement expired back in June) in the Modern Warfare world.[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And I doubt IW would put two or more different identical &amp;quot;M4s&amp;quot; in the game. I can see an M4 and HK416 or REC7 put side-by-side in the game because there are some slight external differences (and caliber increase in the case of the REC7), but there'd be no point in having separate Colt and Bushmaster M4s, both virtually identical externally, at the same time. But then again the still above could very well be just promotional with a Bushmaster put in because it's all they had available to model. But we'll find out for sure Nov. 10th... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Hmm... Bushmaster may have used the Call of Duty franchise to advertise for their weapons, as seen on the lower receiver of the M4. Maybe likely, maybe not; but it is a possibility. Cheers, --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}&lt;br /&gt;
::::HK did it with R6, so why can't Bushmaster do it with MW2? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Whats with all the reflex sights, they do that in way to many games, if you look at the weaponry issued to SOF in america, they all use Aimpoints, ACOGs or Eo-Tec's so why do game designers feel the need to put in Reflex. every SWAT department in america has EO-Tecs on their M4s not a reflex sight.&lt;br /&gt;
::::It is only in this picture that the Bushmaster snake logo is present. In-game, the model has a horse on the lower receiver, similar to Colt's &amp;quot;prancing pony&amp;quot; logo. --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Winchester 1887==&lt;br /&gt;
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No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.&lt;br /&gt;
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I dought you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it. &lt;br /&gt;
Also it could be the Chinese copy.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There was a ''Public Ennemies'' version of the weapon which was closer to the one in the screenshot, but it has been deleted.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be peculiar to have the old lever shotgun in MW2, but definitely a cool choice of gun. It may not be the fastest or most powerful, but it has nostalgia and cool to it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be like the Stg-44 from COD4, a retro weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
It was called MP44 in Cod4 not Stg-44 that was in W@W just trying to help. -FuriousOyste&lt;br /&gt;
: The MP44/StG-44 was only in CoD4 as a nod to the other games in the franchise which are all set during WW2. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe you can unlock Price's mustache as a nod to his awesomely awesome mustache from MW1? =D -FuriousOyster&lt;br /&gt;
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Since IW seem to be going along the &amp;quot;fun&amp;quot; route while still sticking to a semi-realism point of view, it's probably safe to assume this was added as a &amp;quot;fun gun&amp;quot;. It's likely with the recent videos of the &amp;quot;Flag Runner&amp;quot; and the addition of throwing knives there adding weapons that no serious soldier would use in direct combat but would be awesome to use a video game multiplayer match. It's possible they added it as a reference to Terminator 2, I wonder if they'll add the M79 and a portable minigun... [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:11, 02 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There should be two reload animations. The first one you reload normally but in the second one you reload like the T-600, With one goddamm hand.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That was only chambering fresh rounds, not reloading it, but I see your poit. Either way though, having an old school lever action shotty will surely make things, uh, interesting? And throwing knives will just attract goddamn ninjas. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 01:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Ninjas that I'll gladly lay waste to in MP. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Amen to that man, they can throw all the knives they want, but that won't stop them from taking a burst of FAL rounds in the chest. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Good luck getting a burst out of your FAL --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 05:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;Those who live by the sword get shot by the ones who don't&amp;quot;. Ninja's were cowards anyways. They retreated rather than fought most of the time-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Not to mention that was against bows and arrows, not automatic rifles. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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for the reload animations I think the shells are being loaded in to the barrel!!&lt;br /&gt;
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:No my friend, thats just how you load a lever shotgun. The tube you load the shells in to is the magazine, and the tube below it is where they eject from when you cock the gun after a shot. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Don't debate on the articles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.&lt;br /&gt;
::Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::What Jake means, is that to hold all disputes, comments, and debates on the discussion (talk) page, instead of the article itself. The page you are looking at is the talk page and you should type any comments on this page. If you look at the top, there are seven tabs (varies on your status and monobook of the wiki), but for more users, it says, &amp;quot;page, discussion, edit, +, history, move, &amp;amp; watch&amp;quot;. Make sure the &amp;quot;discussion&amp;quot; tab is pressed before you make your edit. Typing in the tab that says &amp;quot;page&amp;quot; makes the article look unprofessional and a hassle to read. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 21:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I'll move all the discussion here...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 13:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Glock ==&lt;br /&gt;
The GameTrailers Analysis states that it is a [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22]], but this is unconfirmed. It could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] since in the video demo shown at the E3 conference, it fires fully automatically. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] - 9x19mm. This model has compensator cuts on the slide and barrel to reduce muzzle climb while firing]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2Glock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A [[Glock]] fired by &amp;quot;Roach&amp;quot; on a snowmobile in Mission &amp;quot;Cliffhangar&amp;quot;. Note olive-drab frame.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MW2SpOpGlock.jpg|thumb|none|300px|This US special ops has a olive-drab framed Glock in his thigh holster (barely off-shot).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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*An interesting note is that the Glock fires dramatically slower than a Glock 18 or other converted Glocks. The Glock from the video's rate of fire is only around 600-700 RPM, where as a real Automatic Glock fires around 1100+ RPM  -- Mythekal&lt;br /&gt;
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:The guy COULD just be firing in semi VERY fast so that it seems like it's full auto. A lot of the handguns in COD4 if you tap the trigger in quick successions, it seems almost full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) &amp;quot;Olive Drab&amp;quot;. Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&amp;amp;W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Not to disagree with you, I mean, you strike a really good point, but I've seen video game companies butcher their weapons into having colors or functions that they don't even have in the first place. Perhaps this is the case, although highly unlikely. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 17:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if anybody noticed, but the G18s in game does not have a selector switch - JanG&lt;br /&gt;
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The Glock 18 can come with OD frames http://www.teamglock.com/Glock-Buyers-Guide/Glock-18.htm&lt;br /&gt;
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== H&amp;amp;K USP .45 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Shown in a stage demo for GameSpot, Roach wields it with a knife at the same time. There is a similar technique where you do this with a flashlight. If someone would care to name it please do as I forgot for the moment.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Take your pick from CQC, CQB, Combatives or Defendu. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
** The particular technique shown below with the support arm under the wrist of the main arm indexing the flashlight along the axis of  the barrel is called the Harris Method. In this case it's being done with a knife presumably because it looks cool.&lt;br /&gt;
*** It's actually done for CQC and not just cause it looks cool. A similar method to this is what Snake does on MGS.But he holds the Knife with the gun by the grips.Perhaps the Harries method is more comfortable than Snake's CQC method,so they made it that way.&lt;br /&gt;
**** &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP .45 ACP. Note the slightly longer barrel/slide and grip compared to the 9mm and .40 S&amp;amp;W models above.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Akimbo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*Need some confirmation on this as I cant find any videos or images of this, supposedly the player is now able to Dual wield or go Akimbo with Pistols, particularly twin desert eagles were seen in a demonstration during a show off session to fans. &lt;br /&gt;
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This is one of the websites with this article:&lt;br /&gt;
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:There was a screenshot of the Desert Eagle being held akimbo during a gameshow in Vegas (the name of which I forgot...) I'm not sure if it was already added to the article, but I'll take a look. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 04:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Now Akimbo? I'm having less and less faith in this new game with most of these cliche shit added on. We got too many kinds of new guns enough to put Rainbow Six to shame, odd matches for people and prototype guns in wide use. This game went from pretty cool to up down cliche generic shooter. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Leaked Video ==&lt;br /&gt;
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At 1:28 there appears to be a new weapon, it looks like it says &amp;quot;Shotgun&amp;quot; but the video is low qaulity and I'm having a hard time finding out what it is? The icon image looks similar to that of a Saiga shotgun but I'm not sure. From the looks of it, the IMI Mini Uzi will be making a return.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mw2brazilshotgun.png]] I think it says (litterally) &amp;quot;FAL w/ Shotgun&amp;quot;... Shotgun attachment?!--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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MASTERKEY! that would be awesome! on the other hand... COD4 shotguns were pretty pointless. so I doubt an even shorter barreled one would be worth it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::That does surely say FAL with Shotgun, as it matches the shape of the other FAL seen in a trailer, sweet! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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also confirmed in game masterkey is avalible -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continuity Error(??) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Perhaps, in the E3 Gameplay video, the Infinity Ward boyz made a continuity error. If you will, note that Roach is first seen using a USP .45, but later, on the snowmobile, he switches to a Glock 18/22/whatever. Just a thought.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Doubt it. games arn't that sloppy. Its probably given to you when you board the snowmobile because firing a semiautomatic weapon while you are going pretty fast wouldn't help much unless you have a very steady hand. better to have a wide spread than accuracy when you cant predict the enemy that well. [[user:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well apparently you are able to equip 3 weapons?, but that still wouldn't explain how he got that glock.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::What 5t3v0 says is true. Video game developers aren't that sloppy and I think that the publishers purposefully made this so-called &amp;quot;continuity error&amp;quot;. I think that the Glock is for use only for the snowmobile portion of the mission, since its high rate of fire (compared to the HK USP .45) is more ideal for tracking and shooting fast-moving vehicles. Many other video games during their vehicle missions use the same logic (i.e. a mounted machine gun on the snowmobile in [[007: Nightfire]]). --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 04:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay first of all, i know you know its just a game, so thats my first statement, and my second is, who says you cant have another holster on you, one on your thigh, one on your rig, or two on both your thighs? and then you either have access to it in the game or you dont, and we can all pretend like roach just doesnt want to use it until the snowmobile thing or something like that.&lt;br /&gt;
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== New mw video ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Gentlemen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PMRFkx07g&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn, the MP5K Looks SWEET! And throwing knives? kick-ass!!! man as soon as this is released im disowning my copy of COD4.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Double Barrel Shotty ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* It's possible with the inclusion of other &amp;quot;fun&amp;quot; weapons like the Winchester M1887 and Throwing knives, but I'm not going to get my hopes up about it... [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:18, 02 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Try not to include wiki as a source unless there's pics of the actual shotgun ingame. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The OXM stated that (Official Xbox Magazine). The DB shotgun will have separate trigger for each barrel.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::You said it will make a return, it never was in cod4, or are you referring to cod5? --[[User:Final Tsurugi|Final Tsurugi]] 15:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Sorry, shouldve been a little clearer, i was referring to cod5&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mk14 Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Mk14 on the screenshot is not a Mk14 Mod0 battle rifle but a Mk14 Mod1 ([http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/closeup/Mk_14_Mod_1.jpg]), the second modification. Still based on the M14/M1A battle rifle/semi-auto rifle, but using M4 grip and stock with the EBR chassis. The version used by soaped also seems to sport a Magpul MOE stock with cheek rest.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that I see that new picture on the page with the mk14 in it I think that it is also a mod 1. Who else is thinks so?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Highrise Gameplay videos (Cam) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just saw this today, the &amp;quot;trailer&amp;quot; section also has a trailer cam of a predator missile and a supply drop, it also shows off the UMP45.&lt;br /&gt;
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The newer highrise videos show a few weapons in the game that would now be deemed confirmed to a degree. It's labelled 1 through 5 in parts. They all feature different guns, I remember seeing two icons, one which was thought to be a place holder, the L85 was displayed as the L86 LSW (maybe an attachment for the L85?) including a PP-2000 Akimbo. Other's include various MG's which I can't identify, a SPAS-12 shotgun in full view (with appropriate icon) and the FAMAS and UMP.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The videos from Gametrailers also seem to show a silenced SPAS 12, which should be fun. &lt;br /&gt;
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== New video confirms a few weapons==&lt;br /&gt;
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A few weapons are probably confirmed by this video from Screwattack, PP-2000 amongst them.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just from watching, I saw the FAMAS, RPD, M4, SCAR, PP2000, AT4 (now a weapon not a perk, and more.[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] &lt;br /&gt;
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everything in the game is now content locked.  that means any weapon seen will be in the final game&lt;br /&gt;
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Seems like the best place to write this:&lt;br /&gt;
There actually is an M249 in the game. In the last level in D.C., when you come out into the fighting in front of the White House and Sgt. Foley talks to some colonel or someone, if you walk all the way to the left there is a dead Ranger with an M249 mounted on the limb of a fallen-over tree. It's a mounted MG that cannot be moved and it does not overheat. It is definitely a M249.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Zombie Mode==&lt;br /&gt;
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No they wont. Instead they have a spec-ops mode. Besides, its not cool of Infinity ward to copy treyarchs thing. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, especially when Treyarch has made an entire career out of copying Infinity Ward&lt;br /&gt;
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== Create A Class Menu ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Several weapons,perks, and attachments have now been confirmed in a new video's on youtube including [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], [[PP-2000]], [[M79 grenade launcher]], [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention]], [[RPD light machine gun]], [[Franchi SPAS-12]] and much more. &lt;br /&gt;
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Source: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K51MZPJ-Rd0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K51MZPJ-Rd0], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNCCkvV77s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNCCkvV77s]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CreateAClass.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Create a Class Menu.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Infamy (New Trailer) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Guy in the Airport wearing a black suit (presumably this Makarov character) looks like he was carrying a SCAR-L but then I noticed the RIS rails to which it was just a regular M4. It was weird how they made look very similar to the SCAR-L, yet at 1:31 in the Infamy trailer there's a guy with outline of the SCAR-L. It looks like the &amp;quot;Mini-Uzi&amp;quot; is now confirmed to be apart of the machine pistol lineup of weapons. Also does anyone think the AK at 0:57 looks odd? Kinda looks to me like a AN-94. - [[Draco122|Draco122]] 07:07 05 October 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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*The weapon Makarov was holding looked like an M4 to me, but I think your right about the Mini-Uzi being a machine pistol now. And as for the AK it looked like the rest of the AKs I've seen from ingame pictures and footage. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 20:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The guy is holding an M4. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Russian tactical team that responded to the airport attack were referred by Makarov as FSBs.  Even though they did deploy from SWAT vans marked as FSB, the Russian soldiers actually wear MVD uniforms, meaning that they were actually interior troops.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wall of guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just got this off of Gametrailers TV. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Too late, man.)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sentry Gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On Gamesrader.com, an article on the impressions of MW2, mentions a Sentry Gun in the Kill Streak list. After doing some research, I've found a supposed concept of the Sentry Gun on Modernwarfare247.com. Apparently it seems to be the XM312 .50Cal fitted with a Camera. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 09:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Leaked-mw2-art-book-12.jpg|300px|thumb|none|XM312]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Sentry Gun in the game is an M134 on a tripod, as I've used some in MP. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The first two are Scars, the second has a Masterkey, the third with an ACOG doesnt quite look right, and I cant tell what the digital one is, any help?&lt;br /&gt;
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The two on the right might be ACR's--[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 03:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The digital one is the bushmaster ACR. It looks a little funny but that is it.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== W2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not 100% certain on this, but isn't the W2000 a collector's sniper rifle? I mean this is a rather expensive sniper rifle made as a colector's rifle. So why would the military be using it in whatever war this game takes place in?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, ever since Black came out, WA2000s have been known to be laying all across Europe, ripe for the picking! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha Agent 47 spends thousands of dollars just to maintain one yet European armies can buy millions of them just to lay around randomly :P&lt;br /&gt;
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From my play through, I can only find one. The one you see on the wall of guns picture.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've seen them in several missions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unfocused ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This game is looking more and more gimmicky by the day. It's as if they're going all out to jam as much modern technology into the game as possible, whether it makes sense or not. Brazilian militia with FN F2000 assault rifles? Russian terrorists with the TDI Vector? ''Really''? --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 08:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's true that I feel the game is adding so much new stuff it won't be anything like CoD4. It bothers me that Infinity Ward is going over the top just because of its huge fanbase.&lt;br /&gt;
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For those of you who have seen &amp;quot;Lord of War&amp;quot;, remember Nicolas Cage's quote: &amp;quot;Where there's a will, there's a weapon.&amp;quot; I'm sure that their theory for the MW2 universe is that some FN or TDI salesmen forgot who they were working for, and sold their latest &amp;amp; greatest weapons to the bad guys, and got paid more in a day or two than they would earn working for a decade. I believe that money is the most corrupting force on Earth. Also, I do recall a story about some F2000s winding up in the hands of a militia in East Timor a few years ago, and I'm not sure whether or not FN figured out how they got there. -KLR&lt;br /&gt;
:I've heard of this happening with a custom M14 maker. One of their people was rebuilding some MK14Mod0 on the side and smuggling them to the phillipines if i rememger correctly. The man was caught and is spending a long vacation is club fed. --[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As much as I agree that the weapons are going a little crazy (how the hell do Brazilians in the slums of Rio get their hands on such powerful NATO weaponry?), remember this game isn't set in the present day, its sometime in 2016 I think. So who knows, in that year the rarer weapons of today may be more widely available. Unlikely I know, but possible. [[Special:Contributions/90.213.208.208|90.213.208.208]] 10:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And besides, the game would be very boring if everyone had AK's. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not exactly. Im not liking the whole high end weapons idea for militia. I would have been fine seeing militia using ak variants and other common battle rifles. --[[User:mythekal|mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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You must remember that all gangs in Rio get majority of there weapons from buying over seas and from corrupt military and police units, who themselves have stockpiles of powerful NATO weapons (M4s, AKs, FNs,etc.). And the Brazilian militia's leader is an Arms Dealer who has ties with the Ultranationalists, any Arms dealer that big can afford to give his men some much more flashier weapons! Also this is just a game too! --[[User:Choi117|Choi117]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:In the first game the russians had g36cs, ak-47s, m9s and 1911s, not like, ak-74s and makarovs. In this they seem to have gone to just having tacticool bullpups and high-end everything.....I laugh if you pick p an m9 in brazil even though your infinitely more likely to get a taurus pt92.&lt;br /&gt;
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One aspect of Modern Warfare 2 is notably the fact, that although not identified by developers, is the way in which the worlds runs, MONEY!, believe it or not but the American government has been dealing arms for years, all to up there pay check, the result is quite devastating, its give there own troops a disadvantage but what do they care money's, money, they would give nuclear weapons to iraq if there was enough money.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually, the American government deals arms mainly to friendly nations and used to deal arms to CIA backed insurgencies.  So, you know, they wouldn't be selling things like NUKES you moron.  As far as the purchase of these weapons, just consider Mexico today:  You have a 'military' (if you can really call the Mexican Army a military) where 250,000 soldiers have left to work for a drug cartel or just left the country, leaving their rifles with the cartels.  Then you have those same cartels buying firearms from third world SA countries that were provided firearms by the US for insurgencies.  Then you have cartels buying firearms from people very similar to Cage's character in Lord of War.  In 2016, it's more than believable taht those dealers could be selling ill-gotten FN2000's to wherever they damn well please.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think that they are adding all of these guns because after Zakheav died the ultranationalists kinda fell apart and now they use anything they get their hands on so some of their guys probably decided too buy their own guns and thought they might as weel go big.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you think this game is unfocused you haven't seen the 25 kill streak perk yet! A Freaking Tactical Nuke, I'm not joking: http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/modern-warfare-2-25th-killstreak/333858[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]&lt;br /&gt;
:That idea makes the game sound more ridiculous than it already is. This is way over the top now.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone explain what &amp;quot;in egoview&amp;quot; means? pictures have the caption something like &amp;quot;the SPAS-12 in egoview &amp;quot; somethign like that. Is it suposed to mean first-person view, only written by someone with poor english?&lt;br /&gt;
:Presumably it refers to First-Person view. If you look, all the HUD text in those shots is in German. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This is interesting discussion, but I have to say I think you guys are missing the point a bit. I'll cede the points about modern weapons being more proliferated in the CoD universe, and the one about the criminal factions (Militia, Ultranationalists) having large financial reserves, since this is fiction that's entirely possible. But, even if a criminal organization did have vast resources of cash, I'm sure they could find more important things to spend money on than outfitting their dime-a-dozen armed thugs with modern NATO assault rifles when they could just buy a bunch of AKs for a quarter of the price and be done with it, immensely simplifying training and logistics in the process. After all, what can a poorly trained, militia thug do with an FN2000 that they can't do with an AK-74? I guess my point is that the many iffy decisions made about the weapons in this game represent, to me, the entire ethos behind this series:''&amp;quot;Screw &amp;quot;logic&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;realism&amp;quot;, let's just focus on making everything '''totally f**ing awesome''' ohlookanexplosion!&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess I can't fault them, really, since this kind of attitude is right in line with the ''attention-deficit teenage douchebag'' demographic they're catering to nowadays. It just irritates me because it's basically the complete opposite of what I'm looking for in a war game, and I get all the more irritated every time I run into one of the aforementioned douchebags, fresh from playing this game, who thinks he's now some kind of authority on firearms. IW could be so much better if they wanted to. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 21:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Dead on the money Matt. What gets me is, a lot of criminal organizations NOW have, ahem, LARGE sums of money and cash. Hell, it's not like the Mafia or Russian Organized Crime are exactly &amp;quot;poor&amp;quot; organizations, but does anyone here think the average Mafioso or ROC thug is packing an FN2000, or a tricked out M4, or an AUG, etc? Hell, even a lot of the militant Islamic extremist groups are extremely well funded, yet, they're still packing AKs and RPGs. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with you so much, Matt. Over Christmas break I visited my 16-year-old cousin who was just cleared by his father to play M-rated games. Guess which game he bought the minute he got this newfound freedom? Now he's trying to tell me how combat is really like the game and that &amp;quot;the Intervention is arguably the best firearm ever made.&amp;quot; He also tried to argue when I told him it was really called a Cheytac M200. My god this game really turned out to bother me deeply. But joke's on me, I went out and bought it myself. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 04:06, 16 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M21 EBR ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to make sure no one changes it back. Even though it doesn't technically exist, that is what its called in game. The logic behind the name is: M21 (Sniperized M14) + M14 EBR (Modernized M14) = Modernized Sniperized M14 = M21 EBR&lt;br /&gt;
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Alright, to be blunt, I LOVE the M14.  Whenever I used one in Call of Duty 4, it was like the second coming of Jesus Christ.  I just got done reading that the M14 used in this game is, as said above, a M21 EBR, and is classified as a sniper rifle.  When I found that out I was extremely pissed.  What I don't get though, is that in the Breach and Clear video that is out there, there is clearly a Mk. 14, with open iron sights.  Based on all of this bullcrap, it appears that you will not be able to use the M14/Mk.14 EBR/M21 EBR/or-whatever-the-heck-we-are-calling-it without a scope.  I am aware that MW2 is somehow sneaking out into people's Xbox's already, and I would greatly appreciate if someone could elaborate on this?[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 00:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Putting a scope on a Mark 14 doesn't change its designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Been checking with various sources on M14's and this M21 EBR is just an M14 fitted into a Sage Stock. it's nothing more than the numerous M14's I've seen used as a DMR.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I say we just stick with calling it Mark 14 Mod 1 and note in the description that its in-game name is M21 EBR. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And, while I've not yet played MP, every instance of Mark 14 use in SP refers to it as &amp;quot;M14 EBR&amp;quot;. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:03, 11 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's officially called the M21 EBR in MP. However a friend of mine tells me when fitted with an ACOG it makes for an alright assault type rifle. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::::And what pisses me off the most is that besides the scope and smaller magazine. it's a Mark 14 EBR. Why IW decided to turn it into a sniper is beyond me. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::::It would be cool, but it would be VERY redundant to the M14 EBR, not that the G36C wouldn't be either, but all the snipers are almost exactly the same (look up the real stats, the ones in game arent right), I think adding any new sniper would be kinda dumb. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*The reason it has been labeled as the M21EBR is because it has been modified into a sniper rifle. The modification of any M14 into a sniper rifle changes it's classification to an M21.--[[User:Dethshadow170|Dethshadow170]] 22:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
** No, it just makes it an M14 with a scope. Case in point is the USMC issue M14 DMR. Fits the criteria of &amp;quot;M14 converted to sniper rifle&amp;quot;, but still called an M14, not an M21. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
**Besides, just adding a scope to a gun doesn't change what gun it is. An M21 is not just an M14 with a scope as the Mk12 SPR/SAM-R/SDM-R is not just an M16 with a scope.--[[User:Strategos|Strategos]] 21:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*** By &amp;quot;modified into a sniper rifle&amp;quot; I was implying that it's full auto fire setting was disabled, plus the addition of the scope, bipod, etc.--[[User:Dethshadow170|Dethshadow170]] 22:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
****Actually, the majority of M14s left in the government arsenals were converted to semi-auto only fire early in their careers, because when it is fired in fully automatic, to quite one of the foremost arms experts Dr. Atwater, after the third round fired in full-auto, the M14 &amp;quot;becomes an anti-aircraft gun&amp;quot;.  You will occassionally see one M14 that lucked out of this modification (and I am sure that all of the ones the SEALs maintain in their own armories managed to escape it as well), but it is just not so effiecient when issued to everyday soldiers and is a recipe for a very powerful but also very inaccurate general issue rifle.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 17:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn good videos, I'll have a lot of fun with that museum :D Does this mean theres not going to be any semi-auto assualt rifles? Everything seems to be full auto in those videos...:( [[Special:Contributions/90.213.208.208|90.213.208.208]] 19:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:An added note about the &amp;quot;Museum&amp;quot; level is a button on the front desk. Press it and all the soldiers in the exhibits come alive and try to kill you! Good fun if you stock up from the weapons cases first. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Even worse, I heard it was possible to dual wield shotguns. [citation needed] Yeah, ordinarily I wouldn't just put that out there without a source, but given all the other stupid decisions IW have been making lately, I can believe it. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 01:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Wouldn't firing a sawed off one handed dislocate your shoulder?-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 03:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh look, a coincidental link to a video of a guy firing a double barreled sawn off shotgun with one hand! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwwv7AZaXCI Sorry Smith, I had to be that guy. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You know what this means, every noob on the planet will be duel wielding in MW2 like it's Halo 3 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Meh, who cares? Yeah, I think dual wielding is an action movie cliche, too, but I'll just play the game the way I want and everyone else will do the same. It most likely won't be long until people are whining and crying about &amp;quot;dual wield noobs&amp;quot; like they do about so-called &amp;quot;noob-tubers&amp;quot;. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, i use a noob tube on one of my classes myself, it may piss people off, but snipers piss me off. Besides, its not like the noob toob is good in close quarters, it only holds two rounds and has slow ass reloads. I use mine to countersnipe when they try and hide behind cover.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I only use noob tube when coming up against a map with lots of trenches or caves or buildings, the better to lob nades into. I prefer the ACOG in MW2, as now it doesn't suck like in CoD: 4 [[Special:Contributions/142.166.195.174|142.166.195.174]] 18:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone who cries about what weapons, perks, or attachments another player is using needs to either learn how to adapt to the environment and opposition or quite playing multi-player altogether. &amp;quot;ZOMG! He killed me with a grenade launcher! Not fair! Waaah waaah waaah!&amp;quot; Some people just need to grow the feck up and stop being pansies. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. the M203 is a useful tool. so are shotguns, i was sick of hearing &amp;quot;SHOTGUN NOOB!&amp;quot; after the first time i heard it. now this is just an opinion but when indoors and within the effective range, i dont think theres a better weapon. they provide a large spread pattern that can be useful in high stress situations. im not saying you dont have to aim a shotgun at close range, but neutralizing a threat can be easier with with buckshot (defense loads) than with a single slug from a pistol or rifle. in my opinion there is no &amp;quot;noob&amp;quot; weapon. when they are all used properly, each individual weapon serves a specific purpose. cheap tactics is what makes a bad player in my eyes. someone who uses a high capacity weapon (P90, Light Machine Gun) while sitting in one spot picking off players who are trying to have fun and play &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; just ruins the expirience for everyone else. and in my expirience these &amp;quot;campers&amp;quot; are the ones who cry like babies when THEY get dead at the hands of a P90 or shotgun. but thats just my opinion.--[[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] 17:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't particularly think ''any'' tactic is cheap (nor any weapon a &amp;quot;noob&amp;quot; weapon), no matter how &amp;quot;unfair&amp;quot; an advantage one thinks it gives. Some tactics are just simply more successful than others. The fact is that MW2 is a '''war''' game, and so goes the old saying ''all's fair in love and war''. If a machine gun camper kills me, so what? I'll just respawn and continue with the game. But that's the point, it's a ''game''. Some people take games way too seriously. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:For me, my response to ppl calling others and me campers or sniper whore, noob tuber. I just reply &amp;quot;It's a legitimate strategy&amp;quot;. Don't get mad, get EVEN. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Totally agree. I mean, I could possibly be wrong, but isn't &amp;quot;camping&amp;quot; essentially what snipers and machine gunners ''actually do'' in real life? I know it was last time I checked... And I sure as heck wouldn't want an M40A5 to clear a room with. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As for dual-wielding, well some of it is logical. The P90 is designed to be easy to fire single handed, so in theory it could be dual-wielded, reloading would be impossible without slings though. As for the Mini-Uzis, c'mon guys, they're Uzis, how else do you Uze them? The Vector too could work, as the fancy anti-recoil system would help it. But with the UMP, I think you'd be in trouble. .45 ACP without anything to control recoil equals you not hitting jack all. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I think it was a joke, I mean, how many people do you see firing one properly ;) Also, I think most strategys are legitimate, not that I camp, I don't. I just hate it when people use something for what its not meant for because its &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; (usually means easy to use), camping (kinda) with a snipers fine, or even an LMG as long as you're giving covering fire, but things that piss me off are sitting in a corner with a heartbeat sensor and waiting for people, using akimbo 1887's, using M16 Red Dot Sights, using Hardline, or using Commando. I think thats most of them... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Well, nothing really in this game, it was overpowered in COD4 cause it could out-snipe people with snipers half the time, but come to think of it it's okay now, it just says something about the person is all, to me at least, same reason I don't like Hardline. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::&amp;quot;I like an effective weapon&amp;quot; is the only thing it would say in my POV, but then again the majority of CoD MP players are a pretty whiny crowd. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== RIOT SHIELD ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:A WELL AIMED grenade from an M203 would take a guy with a shield out[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Unless the guy has a Blast Shield (explosive resistant face mask) equipped, he won't die unless it's a direct impact from a 40mm. He'll even survive sticky grenades on his shield. I've survived plenty with a Blast Shield on when I've got a Riot Shield. Half the time though, after a hit with a 40mm I'm near death anyway even with a Blast Shield on and usually the guy still has a second shot [[Draco122|Draco122]] 17:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Hitting the shield with a 40mm won't kill the guy, the trick is to hit just behind or under him, launching his ass into the air. also FMJs work well, as do Semtex grenades. I myself use Marathon, Lightweight and Commando with my Riot Shield, as well as blast shield and an AA-12 for sticky situations. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Semi Auto only FAL==&lt;br /&gt;
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 21:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The only Thing I could think to defend it is in The Falklands War both the UK and Argentina used the FAL. Which the UK used their L1A1 in single fire only, the Argentinian Army had theirs on Automatic, which Military experts have said that after the third shot makes in an Anti-Aircraft gun. I've never fired one, but in the game I like the controlled fire of the FAL, of it would just fire like another AK.-Km314&lt;br /&gt;
:But it shoots way too slowly ingame to be of much use. They should have made it shoot in bursts of 2-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 04:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::From what I experienced in Multiplayer, it's powerful, it would be way to powerful if it was full auto, I think Infinity ward was going for a thing like they did in CoD4 with the G3. 1:21, 13 November 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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:I dunno whats with all the fuss, I love the FAL in MW2. Sure auto would have been fun, but it's hugely accurate and powerful, not to mention long ranged. A Holo sight makes it a perfect AR, and an ACOG pretty much makes it competition for the EBR. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, and I sort of expected firing mode switches in MW2, but I guess not. But really, the FAL would be ridiculous on full-auto man. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tacticool-ness ==&lt;br /&gt;
Well, this game is awesome and all, but i hate the fact that they made it to be a HALO knock-off. Dual wielding? Glock 18s? God, this there ever going to be a game that gets Special Ops right? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, because the average person doesn't know dick about guns or the military-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 02:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I really thought that it would be a badass fucking game, which it is, but they made it just too fucking...tacticool. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Its what happens when they cater to mall ninjas, dual g18s, dual deegs, dual sawn offs.... and the plot made no sense. Price launching a nuke, sheperd going bad, i love how the start of the game has sheperd just standing there without body armor in a war zone where the loliest terrorist could pick him off.... k9870[[User:K9870|K9870]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, anyone who can get a M1911 Authorized carries one-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 20:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But most generals of today, especially a Lieutenant General would NOT be standing out on the front lines or strongly recommended not to. What is a Lt. General doing in Afghanistan anyway? The game also took out a lot of the old guns in the previous MW game [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not to mention they chose what's essentially a wallhanger sniper rifle (WA2000) over a number of battle-proven designs (M24, M110, even the L96A1 that Counter-Strike players seem to be so in love with). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would rather use my Winchester 88, shooting Hornady Custom .308's, over any of those rifles-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 04:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree that the WA2000 was a Stupid choice. That rifles has custom wood stocks and high quality handbuilt precision, and isn't meant for combat use. The only non magnum or anti-material sniper is the M21 EBR, which has a wrongly animated 20-round mag that only holds ten rounds. They dropped the M40, R700 and Dragunov, and gave beginners the Barrett .50 cal. I'm not the best sniper, but I wouldn't have minded a nice bolt action rifle thats not chambered in a massive round. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::No, Dragunov is still in the game. As far as dropping the M40, it would seem logical to do so considering there are no US Marines in MW2. And having the R700 as a separate weapon than the M40 was just pointless, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Glock 18 with red dot ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hey if anybody plans to use a G18 with a red dot sight without a silencer I just wanted to tell you that using a G18 in this configuration is a bad idea, the muzzle flash of the gun on full-auto is so large that it actually blocks the view of the dot so much that you can barely see the dot&lt;br /&gt;
:Glock 18s were already a bad move. and put three ~ at the end of your text to show your name. like so: -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I have to agree, without the silencer used the G18s muzzle flash ruins your sight picture, not to mention it has zero range and horrid accuracy.[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
Ok thanks for telling me how to put my name on a page, and the G18 is an ok gun, I mean the gun tisn't that accurate when you do a full clip 33 round burst, but it is a good close quarters gun because you can hose down an enemy in about two seconds, and I sometimes use it to pin down other players because they think that I am using an MG and when the gun runs out of ammo and they jump out of cover I spray them with a real MG. [[User:Korean war marine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Glock 18s don't use clips, they use magazines. And I agree with Winchester and M14fanboy, Glock 18 (along with Desert Eagle and Magnum revolver) was a bad choice. Heck, I'd take a Mark 23 over any of them in a combat op any day. They should put in actual ''combat pistols'', not mall ninja favorites. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:They also removed the 1911 from multiplayer. That is just bull shit. I was hoping for a P226 or something from SIG since we got so many British characters or Browning Hi-powers.  [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I had Hi-Power hopes as well, or possible the 226. But a Colt Anaconda and Desert Eagle, I thought this was military, not ghetto. The only good handguns really are the USP and the M93R, which is like a mini-M16. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I've said this before and I'll say it again that this is a ''war'' game, so they should have dropped the Desert Eagle, Anaconda, and Glock 18 for actual ''combat pistols'' like the aforementioned Hi-Power, 226, and 1911. Heck, I even had hopes that that new Russian service pistol (MR-446 Grach, I think it's called) would make an appearance, but my hopes were all for naught. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I know man, it's dperessing to see a WAR game with nothing but stupid magnum handguns firing ridicilously large rounds. Theres a total of two legit combat pistols, the USP and M9, and while I haven't used the USP I can say the M9 is shite. DLC pistols pl0x! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:They just watch too many movies. But then again a lot of issued guns now do have rails. That's how the Marines Corp get their M4s and M16A4s now [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::All firearms in the near future (aside from oddballs like the XM8) ''will'' have Picatinny rails. Modularity is the wave of the future. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This is one of the many minor lazy details they could have done. Like for the ACR. I know for a FACT that the ACR's bolt release switch is in front of the trigger. It was designed so when you insert a fresh mag, all you have to do is press forward on the release right in front of the trigger! But instead, if you are empty, you insert new mag and then with your FIRING HAND, take it off the pistol grip and pull the charging handle back! One, no soldier would is RIGHT handed would taken their trigger hand off the grip unless they need it to fix a malfunction. They would use their NON firing hand to pull the charging handle since the charging handle and in fact the entire RIFLE was built for both hands to operate. But no, IW wanted us to waste precious seconds to see the wrong hand pull the charging handle. I got shot so many times using the ACR when I am empty completely because I can't just press the bolt catch with my trigger finger as the gun was DESIGNED to! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To add more fuel to the rant fire, the Glock 18 is an ok gun, I'll admit that in small bursts. But when you reload, you don't press the slide release, which would make getting back into action faster, but instead you're treated to your character pulling the slide back! This is only good for range shooting a Glock, since the slide release is pretty weak, factory wise, but in combat, pulling back the slide takes too much time, in fact, there's a couple seconds delay when reloading an empty Glock. That's why I try to not reload empty weapons. Always mid magazine change. It'll save fustraions for you watching your character take his damn time reloading and doing unneeded things like pulling the slide back or in the ACR's case, use right hand instead of left hand instead of pressing trigger finger forward. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And even MORE nitpicking. Look at how they attached the M203 on a Tavor in the game! I've seen what an M203 with a Tavor looks like in real life and it works ergonomicially but the way IW did it in this game makes it look stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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its a game and just about every gamer you come across wont know about weapons like i have been telling people about the screw ups and they said if they did not give it a name they would have just called the m93r a machine pistol and most people i know call assault rifles machine guns. -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah I too noticed on the ACR how they made the unnecessary action of charging it and all that when, like they did with the SCAR and M4, they could just push bolt release, which would probably decrease reload time in the game. but hey, maybe the did it cause it would &amp;quot;look cool&amp;quot; - Whatsagun&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well at least for the M4 and SCAR, they are slapping the bolt release on the side of the gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Back to the mocked up Glock 18, I think all videos on youtube never show full auto Glock's reloading. Just one magazine and &amp;quot;The End&amp;quot;. But there was this one video on youtube called 298 rounds in full auto and it showed this guy with a mocked up Glock 18 not using the slide release lever, just pulling back the slide. With this video close to 5,000,000 views it's quite obvious IW got there ideas from that video.&lt;br /&gt;
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:In response to that, I keep saying that most people target shooting with a lot of their guns would pull back the slide instead of pressing the slide release because every time they press down on it, it degrades it more and more. In a combat situation, you shouldn't be thinking about that if you are rushing to reload. If you are on the range, pissing bullets, then you do the pull slide back. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I wanna nitpick on the gun selection in this game.  I'm sure they did this to expand the number of guns used, but some of their choices just kinda irk me.  For instance, why does the Russian military use FAMAS, Tavor TAR-21, MG4, UMP, TDI Vectors, PP2000, AUG, AK's and RPD's?  Seriously, TAR-21's?  Israel doesn't even really like Russia right now, considering that they're selling weapons to people who want to destroy them.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 09:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well the AKs, RPD and PP2000 are obviously Russian weapons, but I hate that they didn't give them AK-74 type weapons, but all 47s instead. The Russian military doesn't use AK-47s anymore. They've switched to the smaller rounds. They also had the Russians during the Wolverine mission with FALs. IW obviously didn't know a thing about Russian military of today and didn't want to just give them all AKs, so they slapped them with a bunch of other guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Wait a minute, aren't russians in the Wolverines mission ultranationalists? Because if they are the terrorist ones then they can have any gun they want.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No they're the russian army.  I'm guessing that you haven't played the game (spoiler) as it is the russian army paratroopers invading the east coast of the U.S. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 02:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, I have to agree that it seems that IW knows jack-shit about firearms, just like most everyone else in the world, unfortunately. An FN rifle with a reciprocating charging handle? Come on. [[Special:Contributions/70.196.44.211|70.196.44.211]] 01:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:At least they didn't make the single player M16A4 a full auto weapon and made it burst. That one's ok. And seriously, if they were modeling their guns off of airsofts, or even real ones, how can they fuck up with the SCAR's rear flip up sight? It's very hard to miss where it folds. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:There's also a silenced AA-12 in one, too. But like you, I'm not to sure about how feasible the silencing of a shotgun is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:They probably got the idea off the suppressed Remington 11-87 in No Country for Old Men. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 04:30, 16 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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When EMPs emitted from nuclear explosions they effectively send a massive charge through any electrical cable. To be more specific, an EMP is composed of three things. The E1 components of EMPs have an intense electric field that induces very high voltages in electrical conductors. The E2 components act like the EMPs from lightning, but as a result are also easily protected against. An ACOG, however, is certainly not protected from this. The E3 component acts like a geomagnetic storm, which produces even more geomagnetically induced currents in electrical conductors, which damages electric components. While it is true that the ACOG uses tritium versus a battery, this does not change the fact that it uses electrical conductors (cables) to connect parts. The EMP would fry the ACOG, regardless of its power source. Besides, batteries use electrochemical energy, so there's nothing different in the battery from everything else in the ACOG except for some salt. The fact that the ACOG should not have been affected by the EMP should be removed. --[[User:Strategos|Strategos]] 19:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== TMP or MP9? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi. Just wondering about the labeling on the MW2 page. The game calls it a &amp;quot;TMP&amp;quot;, but on the MW2 page it's labeled as an MP9. Since they look the same, why bother calling it the MP9 when it is in fact the TMP? -KLR&lt;br /&gt;
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:Because the MP9 is the newer version of the TMP. I do believe Bruger and Thomet took over production from Steyr, who no longer makes it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walther WA 2000 screenshot==&lt;br /&gt;
Did someone have fun or is this an unedited screenshot from the game?  If you look at the scope you can see an unhappy sick face painted on the scope cover.  I have yet to use this gun, so I don't know.  My money is on someone having fun. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 09:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thats the emblem used for a certain class of accolades, and a comedic effect as well. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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stop lieing to the guy. yes it does have a sick face painted on the cover its more noticeable on the WA2000 theres one on the barrett M102(idk the spelling or the number) aswell but its hard to see. theres none on the intervention or the M21 EBR.  - Scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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It is impossible in real life to fire and handle an L85A1 LSW with a 100 round drum magazine? --[[User:Dangerman 1973|Dangerman 1973]] 15:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also the drum in the game model doesn't make sense. That's surely not big enough tohold 100 rounds, looks more like 50 to me. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Either way you'd still get a face full of hot brass firing left handed. Which may probve to be a problem if I decide to enlist... [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: There's a theory of mine that in the very early parts of development, the L86 was going to be in the AUG's slot and the L86 now was going to be the Chinese Type 95 LMG. The AUG was apparently going as an Assault rifle as people initially thought. To me, the Drum magazine looks very similar to that of Type 95 LMG, maybe sometime mid-development they decided to change it to something else and merely slapped the Drum magazine on there? [[User:Draco122|Draco122]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that the SCAR that is in the game is actually chambered in 5.56.  I say this because it holds 30 rounds and after the helicopter is shot down in DC you are given a mag for an M4 from Sgt. Foley who has a SCAR.  I think they had the SCAR replacing the M16 as the main battle rifle of the U.S. Military with the M16A4 being used for the reserve troops.  They probably used the SCAR H model to make it look cooler.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The SCAR in the game isn't chambered in anything because it is a video game. Also if I am not mistaken IMFDB policy in regards to videogames is to identify guns purely by looks, not by any specifications. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No its the Mk. 17 as evidenced by the larger flash suppressor. Infinity Ward probably created a 30 round mag to keep it more like an assault rifle than the battle rifle it is. Also the soldier who gives you the M4 dies and the clip could be from him. &lt;br /&gt;
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:''Magazine'', not clip. And I thought there had been a 30 round magazine introduced for use with the M14 rifle a few years ago? Last I heard, the Mark 17 still used M14 mags. And, while this may not be the best of arguments here, the Mark 17 in-game has heavier recoil than either the M16 or M4 and generally seems more effective at longer ranges than the M4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It only has the 30 round magazine in single player, incorrectly, but in multiplayer, it has the 20 round. A lot of the weapons in multiplayer is correct but still, IW did miss a few things, like the rear iron sight for the SCAR is supposed to fold down towards the user, not away. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Regarding the rear sight... someone on IW's forum actually pointed that out to them sometime prior to the game's release, but they didn't do anything. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm confused. We have the title of the handgun called an SB, then a photo of a 92FS and then in the description, it's called an M9. Which one is it? Isn't the game trying to portray an M9 since it's military use? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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it should be cleened up. well im guessing that some one that only knows of the 92FS the civil version of the M9 (what its suposed to be) posted it&lt;br /&gt;
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== Combat Knife ==&lt;br /&gt;
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-If it's the same one that shows up in the sneak type missions I believe its a Blackhawk Tatang or SZABO FELONY STOP.  --Pawnstar&lt;br /&gt;
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:Looks like it's the Tatang.  It is DEFINITELY NOT the Szabo Felony Stop.  Thanks for the help, chief.  --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:36, 12 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Well, they look exactly alike, from the design of the blade to the look of the grip.  The dimensions may be a tiny bit off, but that's not all that surprising.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 21:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The melee knife, throwing knife and tactical knife are all different, IIRC. Easiest way to see the knife is to throw one and look at it. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i sware someone edited my post? i originally said that the one in SP is not a tatang the blade and grip a different shaped from what i remember. the one online is a tatang and the melee knife is a tatang im not sure about the tac knife the next time im on il check. il post a pic of the final one soon -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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There are actually only two knifes, Soap's at the end (not sure what it is), and the Tatang, which is the melee/throwing/tac knife/the one Soap and Price stab the guards with when they rappel down and when Price stabs the guy at the top of the stairs in Just Like Old Times&lt;br /&gt;
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Is the AUG supposed to be the equivalent of the FG42 from WAW? --[[User:Phil|Phil]] 22:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:What do you mean &amp;quot;equivalent&amp;quot;? I know what the word means, I just don't know how it applies here. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why would you compare a WWII weapon to a modern rifle? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe he's asking if they fill the same role? I know the AUG Hbar classifies more or less as an infantry automatic rifle, intended to function as a magazine-fed light support weapon. Was this the FG42's role? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From what I understand the FG42 was designed to give paratroopers a rifle that would replace the Kar 98, MP-40, MG-42, and their pistols in airbourne jumps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FG42 gives you a good idea. Grizzlybar&lt;br /&gt;
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I think he means the M82 (Barrett .50 Cal) is to the PTRS-41 as the AUG Hbar is to the FG42. Understand now? And to answer your question, Phil, no I don't think so for two reasons. They both perform differently, especially in terms or recoil and magazine capacity. Second, Treyarch likes to copy Infinty Ward, not the other way around. It's not like IW to take an idea from Treyarch.[[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 04:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't say that at all. The HBAR has a 42 round magazine, the FG42 a mere 20. Also, in WaW the FG42 has a stupidly high ROF which burns the mag if you cough on your controller. The AUG is more accurate and has a better ROF, not to mention it looks better IMO. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm not too sure on how feasible silencing a shotgun is either. Either way, suppressed shotguns seem to me like the in-game equivalent of bringing an airsoft to a gunfight: USELESS. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The only way you can silence a shotgun is by porting the barrel and installing an integrated suppressor. And it never will be as quiet as portraid in the game. There is a vid on ytube where one gentleman show his silenced shotguns.&lt;br /&gt;
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well at least they didn't screw it up compleatly and put suppressors on the 1887s [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 03:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Shush! Don't give them any ideas! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It's kind of strange that suppressed shotguns are more quieter than other suppressed weapons. I believe that suppressed shotuns are added to replace the suppressed ACRs in the Spec Ops missions based on stealth missions in the campaign as a silenced ACR would make Spec Ops way too easy since that its rate of fire, large magazine size, and moderate damage could allow the player to take out a huge amount of enemy guards without alerting them. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 20:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== GP-30 reload ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As you know, russian under-barrel grenade lauchers (GP series) shoots caseless rounds. But why the f character in MW games feels the need to shake something (shellcase?) out of the bore after each shot? How could IW let such harsh technical inaccuracy in both modern warfare games? I could assume that this was done for balance sake, but why not just make longer but proper looking animation.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like you said, it was done for balance. IW was more concerned with &amp;quot;fair play&amp;quot; unfortunately. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I just thought that it would be better if they left the ejection animation out and extended the time duration of the animation of putting the new round in. That way, it makes the game more realistic ''and'' balanced. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 21:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::True. I mentioned the same above. But the thing is that this game was aimed at mass gamer audience most of which know donkey dick about weaponry and, in particularly, some Russian muzzle-loaded under-barrel gls. Neither they know that 1 cartrige stays up the pipe when you reload mid-mag. IW is a money shovelers now. Too much disappointments for me. I don't buy their games anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Very true. Even ''I'' didn't know how the GP launchers functioned up until a few years ago. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:36, 16 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== art book scans? ==&lt;br /&gt;
hey i was just wondering does any one know where i could find some scans of the art book from the prestige ed if someone could upload then a post a link or find a link to a nother site thats would be great thanks [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 03:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thanks mystery person [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 08:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Funny, my artbook doesn't have pics of SCARs or MG4s in it... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Removing Sights ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was wondering how hard it would be to remove mounted sights (like the acog, HALO sight, red dot sights, etc) from the top of the rails on a battlefield.  I'm sure it would require tools, but would soldiers be required to carry these tools?  I was just wondering because with the EMP blast, when the battery powered optics become useless, how hard would it be to remove those sights and use the backup sights?  Aren't the backup sights there in case something does happen to the attached sights?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::No way! If you could adjust your weapon on the go (like in Crysis, Stalker), it would be just too complex for a game like CoD. &lt;br /&gt;
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:No. The point of mounting an optic onto a system is to not require tools (although I'm not too sure about the HALO sight). Many of the mounts use thumb-screws that you tighten by using your hands. It's not as tight as using a wrench, but in in  emergencies, this makes them easier to remove. As of the back-up sights, I'm afraid IW uses them only for aesthetic purposes, and prove no purpose. --''[[User:Blemo|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#D3D3D3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''B'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''le'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#808080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''mo'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[user talk:Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''TALK'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;  [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''EMAIL'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; • &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#A9A9A9&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-weight: light;&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''MESSAGE'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;'' 21:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, no special tools are needed to remove any of those optics. Just twist a thumbscrew or flip a throw lever (depending on type of mount), pull it off, and you're good to go. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks.  Just been wondering.  I don't expect games like COD to be all that realistic (given the plot and the characters ability to regenerate health from near death).  Was just wondering how difficult it was in reality.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 16:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The stupid part of the EMP was that the ACOG scopes were not on. ACOGs don't use batteries to light up their sights. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, that's an embarrassing error. They could do a spectacular animation showing player (and some of his squad-mates) dismount their sights, throw it away, flip up buis' and remark how it fucking sucks. Those in team with ACOGs on their pieces would leave them and have greater accuracy.  Also they could insert some comic conversation between rangers, like: &amp;quot;Dud, I told you ACOG rules, brah&amp;quot;. And of course player could find rifle equipped with it.&lt;br /&gt;
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its surprising how many ignorant people there are i nearly got in a full argument with someone  a few days back over the fact he claimed (and still believes) ALL ACOG sights sorry he thinks ALL sights apart from iron sights are powered by battery i guess thats why he looked puzzled when i started laughing at him i guess IW is just a group of ignorant people that should do more research [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 10:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And their military advisers are as ignorant.&lt;br /&gt;
:::I doubt they even have a military adviser. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:a lot of sights can be co witnessed, where you can still use your irons looking through the sight when off // disabled.  Hell often times the dot in the sight lines up with your front sight post.  -stu&lt;br /&gt;
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So out of all the ways Infinity Ward took a crap on realism with MW2 we're complaining about the ACOG turning off...? [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 12:08, 26 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I would close eyes on bullshit perks and story, if they made everything from the technical side at least look properly.&lt;br /&gt;
::::I'm not just talking about perks and storyline or even technical stuff. How about the ability to single-handedly breach into a room with a 37-pound .50 caliber rifle and kill 4 armed men in 2.5 seconds using 4 rounds. Or maybe the fact that every freaking weapon has a full rail system on it, even in the hands of ragtag militia in Brazil and Afghanistan. Or maybe how I can squeeze 30 rounds out of a 20 round SCAR-H mag. Maybe it's the fact I can run around with 2 UMP-45's and reload them by putting them at my side for a second or two. It's probably really the fact that the M240B has very similar, if not the same attributes of the M249 SAW from COD 4 despite the fact it uses a drastically more powerful round, weighs more, and has a slower fire rate in reality. It could just be how you can take out everyone while firing a fully automatic Glock pistol (mislabeled as a G18) with one hand while driving a snowmobile over a giant cliff with the other. Rant finished. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 04:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
from what I understand the SCAR-H uses M14 mags and to my knowledge there are 30 round mags for the M14. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm not sure on that, but even if that is true the in-game model is unquestionably a 20-round mag. [[User:Mandaloin|Mandaloin]] 20:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
that being said you should notice that the FAL has 30 round mags yet only 20 rounds in them.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, that's weird, in the Singpleplayer, the FAL has 30 rounds, which is correct, but for some reason in Multiplayer, they gave it 20 for no good reason. The SCAR-H is correct in multi with 20 rounds, but not in single [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Yeah, and all the kids would be screaming and crying at &amp;quot;FAL noobs&amp;quot;. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm more annoyed about the tubers because the game promotes the use of grenade launchers to unlock the shotgun attachment a 203 kill counts as a kill to the rifle it is attached to [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Screenshot location==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know where in the game was this screenshot taken?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mw2_1911_ego_idle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M1911 in ego-view.]]&lt;br /&gt;
It seems to defeat the &amp;quot;it's only usable in bonus mission&amp;quot; bit. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:16, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it's the museum level. There's a diorama of the prison mission, complete with helicopters. The picture if just confusing because you can't see that it's just a diorama. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Desert Eagle Picattiny Rail ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I FOUND IT! Magnum Research offers a barrel with Picattiny rails: http://magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=BAR506 [[User:Yocapo32]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Next Call of Duty games ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you think they should do a Korean war and Vietnam War Call of Duty?&lt;br /&gt;
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It's confirmed by Activision that Treyarch will be making the next COD and it will be Vietnam [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gold Desert Eagle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't have the game but I saw some videos of the new maps and the player had a Gold Desert Eagle. Can someone tell me about it?&lt;br /&gt;
:It's just like any other Desert Eagle aside from having a gold finish. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well how do you get it on this one?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 13:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It can be accessed trought hacks. But moderators are gonna kick you in the ass, throw your Xbox Live (Or whatever) account to a hole, dump gasoline on it, then throw a cigar in the hole --[[Special:Contributions/190.176.201.179|190.176.201.179]] 01:57, 23 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Probably saving it for a $10 DLC.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:43, 25 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== F-15? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am wondering. Since this game is supposed to portray a near future military using customized guns, guns that aren't in normal military because they look cool, etc. In the mission the Gulag, we are supported by a flight of F-15s. It bothered me. If the creators wanted us to portray a more movie action pack scene, shouldn't the F22s, or F35s be more appropriate for the scene since they are the &amp;quot;fighters of the future&amp;quot;? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:08, 29 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: The F-15's projected to be in service until 2025, eleven years after the game is set. Although using F-35Cs would make the whole shtick about the Navy make more sense. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Have to agree with you there.  The F-35 would make more sense and by the same token...why are they still using AH-6 Little Birds in the &amp;quot;future&amp;quot;? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:35, 29 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I know that fighters, weapons, uniforms, have long service life with project dates for when they should be replaced, but the F-15 appearing put me off that they might be trying to throw back realism, that just because it's the future, we're showing you F-15s anyway, because anything else would have been throwing in a fighter that's more &amp;quot;futuristic&amp;quot; like in Transformers where Starscream is a F22 and in Die Hard 4, we see an F-35. Though like you pointed out, an F-35 would have made scene in a scene that would require them to not doing strafing runs, but cover the troops landing. And about the Little Birds. They are also still using Blackhawks, unless you know any particular &amp;quot;future&amp;quot; replacement for either, I'd see them using them in the game. But I wonder why little birds in a mission like this. Little Birds are short range, not like the Blackhawks, which would have made more sense, but then again your character and Soap was using them as a sniper platform. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:None of us have spotted the main problem(s) here. 1. F-15Cs doing ground attacks. The C model is an air superiority fighter. The E would be assisting ground forces. 2. It is stated (or implied) that this is a naval operation, so why F-15s? Surely FA-18s wouldn't be too radically different to spoil whatever effect they were aiming for?&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
After I played that level, I thought up a question that I couldn't answer: if they didn't know Allen's real identity in the first place, then would they try to support a lie that Makarov's forces are supported by Americans by using NATO weapons since that the weapons they're using are NATO weapons? I mean, if they do that, then it would be stupid as the Russians can believe that they stole those weapons. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 04:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Don't forget that, in the setting of this game, the ultranationalists rule in Russia. This guys hate the USA, not only because of their involvement in the civil war depicted in CoD4:MW. All Makarov wants to give them is a cause they can present to the world, he doesn't have to convince the Russians, they want a war, anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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==F2000 Patch==&lt;br /&gt;
So Recently I tried to get back into using the F2000, and oddly it felt like it handled better now. Well I talked to a friend of mine who did MW2 Beta testing and is friends with Robert Bowling, and no word to lie, I actually caused this fix. About a month ago I sent Bowling an email outlining how and why he should fix the F2000 and me it worthy of being a level 60 rifle. Well my friend said that Bowling actually listened, and so in the patch that came with the Resurgence Map Pack, the F2000 had a recoil reduction and damage boost built into it. And now this weekend I've been using the F2000 more, and while the recoil still isn't ACR like, it's a lot easier to use, and now worthy of being a high level unlock. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Have they fixed the broken silencers? Or does the M9 and M240 still show up on radar?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hard to say, I didn't even know they were broken like that, so maybe. Lately I've been using the LMGs more, and I still wish the SAW from CoD 4 would return. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I rarely use suppressors on anything. Sometimes, on the Glocks I carry and sometimes on the sniper rifles. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I rarely use a suppressor on my SCAR if I'm doing a cold blooded class, as it can do well without stopping power. But usually it's my trusty SCAR-H with Holographic and Blue Tiger with a Gripped SPAS-12 secondary. Also, I have a silencer on my UMP in my cold blooded anti-air class. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Broken Silencers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkbs4zktJtQ&amp;amp;annotation_id=annotation_775038&amp;amp;feature=iv --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:More broken shit in MW2 for the win! Great job Infinity Ward, is this patch 1.11 now? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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glad i sold this for the 40 dollar trade in, IW is useless, the first patch was to neuter the truly awesome 1887s. the only patch i wanted wa sone that would end matchmaking and let me play the friggin game instead of searching lobbies for 10 minutes.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I played World at War all day today, owning with my M1919 and M1A1, then I hop on MW2 for a bit and just hate it up. Damn it, I'm at the edge of selling MW2. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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If your refering to the carbine its just a M1 Carbine. The M1A1 is the folding stock paratrooper variant. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Trust me, it's worth selling. I used the money from selling MW2 and other cash to buy Bad Co. 2&lt;br /&gt;
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Bad Company is good, but the story is not as funny as the first game. They are trying to match MW2 in how gritty it is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Red Dot Sight==&lt;br /&gt;
I was playing  online, and was using the red dot sight , and was wondering what model red dot it is.     PunisherDave&lt;br /&gt;
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I think its a C-more -Double Agent M&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure they aren't C-more's, C-mores more longer in the shape. This is what a C-more looks like http://www.americanshootersedge.com/sti/SteelMaster/images/SteelMaster08_Main.jpg.&lt;br /&gt;
It's most likely some kind of common mini reflex sight (Yea C-more's are mini reflex sights but long) But then again im no sight guy. Over and out - Noe&lt;br /&gt;
::They appear to be Doctor red dot sights, I believe. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sounds 'bout right. - [[User:Noe|Noe]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks like a cross between a C-More style sight and a Docter-style sight. It's a fair bit bigger than a regular Docter sight, which is usually mounted onto an ACOG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think so. They probably got the size wrong or it's just the view from first-person. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cpl Dunn's SCAR charging animation wrong ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the mission &amp;quot;Of their own Accord&amp;quot;, you wake up underground and explore the place, and right before you get out, you see Dunn being tossed his SCAR by someone. The NPC then pulls the charging handle, but instead of reaching for the left side, which is where the charging handle is on a SCAR, he pulls the rear back, which is nothing but air. Apparently the animators screwed up and mixed the M4's charging handle animation with the SCAR's. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its because people normally don't notice that kind of thing. In Call of Duty 2: Big Red One all the NPCs reload their gun like a M1 Garand.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Something I noticed in both this game and COD4==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't know why, but this always seemed to bug me: When you reload a assualt rifle in-game (for example the M4A1), how are the dropping the clip out of the gun without, you know, physically removing it? That always confused me on how they did it (and YES i know its a game, but i seen a few people in real life do the same thing) -[[SeanWolf]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The M4 and M16 series of weapons have a mag release button, much like on a handgun.  Push the button, the mag falls out.  What I had a question on was how they reloaded the G36 without using the left hand for the paddle release.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think for the G36, you COULD just press the mag release down and kinda shake the mag out. But for rifles like the M16/M4, the magazine goes straight up into the gun and if it is a smooth and clear mag, it should drop right out if you press it, letting gravity do the work. Sometimes it might get a little stuck and sometimes it drops too slowly and you'll have to actually rip it out of the gun or fling it out. AK, M-14s, G3s are some of the kinds of rifles that have a kind of HOOK on the mags and when you change mags, you have to unhook the mag from the gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The G3 is really a HK91 which has a push button on the right side of the gun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:What G3? There isn't a G3 in this game [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I was refering to how the G3 reloaded in CoD4&lt;br /&gt;
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==Winchester 1887's akimbo==&lt;br /&gt;
Is there any point in single player that the Winchester 1887s can be wielded akimbo or is this limited to only multiplayer? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It's limited to only multiplayer for balancing reasons. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:36, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The level where you're escaping from Rio you can get dual winchesters. You can also get dual Rangers and dual G18s.  Its something of a random event as it depends on the equipment of the AI and where their weapon's drop when you kill them.  I dont recomend TRYING to set up two guys and they dropping them because that tends to equal death and frustration.&lt;br /&gt;
-Double Agent M&lt;br /&gt;
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== M79 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The M79/Thumper in the game has a wooden stock, not a black stock, That needs to be changed please.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Dark_Knight&amp;diff=350174</id>
		<title>Talk:The Dark Knight</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Dark_Knight&amp;diff=350174"/>
		<updated>2010-10-29T19:48:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Do you have any information about the gun used by Harvey Dent when he shot Maroni's men? Thank you. BTW great potential website, I love it. [[Special:Contributions/118.136.36.2|118.136.36.2]] 01:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Can I screen this when it comes out? I try to cover new releases plus I did the first one. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, sure, I don't see why not. I just have one request - do you by chance have a computer that can play Blu Ray? I keep looking at Legion's Fate's blog with all of his super-high quality Blu Ray screenshots, and I'm starting to get jealous. I think IMFDB needs the same quality images he has. I've seen some images from the Blu Ray version of this movie and they're ''soooooooo'' pretty. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll see if I can break for a Blu-ray for my computer. I doubt it will be cheap though. And don't worry about that guy, we're better :).&lt;br /&gt;
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:Guner313, are you screencapping this or are you just adding some shots? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Well, our info is better, yes. And we have MoviePropMaster2008, our ultimate weapon. But I still think it'd be cool if we had some Blu Ray screenshots. I am looking at Blu Ray players myself, though I'm probably not going to be buying one immediately since my checking account is still hurting from my last gun purchase.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::BTW, this page already has 20,000 views, due to this movie's popularity, so let's make it extra special. Gotta give people what they want. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Page==&lt;br /&gt;
Well, it's not Bluray but I still think the images look great. pngs were wierd to use instead of jpgs for the first time but the long load time is worth it for such nice pictures on this page. I hope this is good enough as making it &amp;quot;extra special&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry the page took so long btw, I had a lot to do this week. :P - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Unbelievable! Someone removed some of my screencaps like the flashpaper Glock firing. Since it was an anonymous user, I protected the page, but I won't keep it that way forever. Just until this person decides to stop removing my pictures. (some of those images are harder to get then they appears, especially the Glock flashpaper, since frame by frame wouldn't catch it. I had to rapid-tap pause, which took about 10 mins to achieve). :(  Sorry to inconveniance people. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, doing screencaps isn't as easy as some would think. It's is hard as hell for some guns that show up for a split second and never seen again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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can anyone id the jokers knifes&lt;br /&gt;
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I would be interested in that. I was trying to Id some of them but I can't really tell, a couple of the ones being set on the table look like kitchen knives.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like I did with [[The Punisher (2004)]], I could add all his knives to this discussion section. But I have too much to do right now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Anybody know how they got the WZ.83 Nabój 40 x 47 mm to shoot a grapple gook.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It looked like a practical effect.&lt;br /&gt;
*Must be some kind of special effects. The Pallad D shoots only two kind of ammunition fragmentation and smoke grenades. And the 40x47 mm ammo is only produced in Poland. [[Special:Contributions/87.207.56.12|87.207.56.12]] 15:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly a CO2 copy.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
*I saw one put the grappling hook into the barrel and fire it. Maybe a grenade launcher modified for the movie. - [[User:Crysis|Crysis]] 16:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The M16A2 section on the page has a picture with the weapon mounted with a red dot, and the caption stating &amp;quot;Mounted with an Eotech&amp;quot;. Either it's mounted with a very deformed EOTech on backwards, or it's something else. Looks most like a Trijicon Reflex (Either RX01 or RX06) attached with an RX10 gooseneck handle mount.  Difficult to be more presise, though, with that picture. Are there any better shots of rifles equipped with this sight in the movie?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dent's Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 64 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the scene where Harvey was pointing the gun to his own head and pulls the hammer back, we see the trigger appears to be pulled back already. Is there something wrong with the trigger? You see in in the screen cap. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== M1 garands==&lt;br /&gt;
If they are firing live rounds into the air it i'm pretty sure would be much louder than a blank and I would assume the police officers would notice the difference between.&lt;br /&gt;
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except they would know they are firing a specific amount of shots, and after those shots they would have live rounds, obviously&lt;br /&gt;
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Isn't the BFA only relevant to whether the blank round cycles the action or not?  Is it possible that they could be firing blanks and then manually ejecting the round?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blu Ray screen caps==&lt;br /&gt;
I would like to redo these caps with the Blu ray versions.   Anyone else already working on it?  [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]   11 Oct 2009&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think anyone is. Are you going to recap the whole thing? If you are, just save over the existing caps. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Yeah, I would like to redo it.  Is the reason why the page takes so long to load is because of the PNG's? [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]   11 Oct 2009&lt;br /&gt;
::I didn't notice the PNG deal, i think that may have been done to get better quality pics. This is quoting MPM2008 ''&amp;quot;IMFDB has a policy that screenshots can be replaced by better shots, or full frame (4:3) shots can be replaced by the more preferable 16:9 wide screen shots (by anyone) Someone can replace anyone's screenshots if the replacing screenshots are clearly superior in quality.&amp;quot;'' This existing pics are 640x480 - 290kb, yours are 1,230x720 - 88kb. While no one likes their caps being replaced, if the ones replacing it are larger and sharper that is the way it goes. Plus the file sizes being down from 290kb to 88kb, will help it a lot. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, the PNG shots slow this page down.  I can't remember why GM45 chose to use that format (he typically uses JPEG), but not long after this page, we started encouraging members not to use PNG format.  If anyone wishes to replace the screencaps, feel free. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Smith &amp;amp; Wesson M76 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If you watched the Oscars this year, they did a bit on the sound in the Dark Knight (to use as an example) and it actually showed the sound editors firing a Micro Uzi at full auto, and that's the sound they used for the M76, not a minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Batman in other media==&lt;br /&gt;
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If the live action Batman movies get a gun page, why not &amp;quot;Batman the Animated Series&amp;quot;, the TV movie &amp;quot;Mask of the Phantasm&amp;quot; or the current show on Cartoon Network &amp;quot;Batman: The Brave and the Bold&amp;quot;???&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''&amp;quot;No Cartoons. Anime is a work of art where the Japanese took time and effort to draw, sometimes in great detail, images of firearms despite from a country that prohibits civilian ownership of arms. Only take screencaps from sources that you know for a fact is an image of a gun. We do not accept caricatures of what is supposed to be a gun. Nor do we accept images from cartoons like the Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park unless you have an image for us and anyone can ID right away as a specific gun. If you give us an image of 2 rectangles with a poorly drawn trigger and tell us it's a 1911, then it will be promptly deleted. The same rules to quality images for movies, TV, and games also apply here. Do not post low resolution of anything here or they will be deleted and replaced.&amp;quot;''' From the rules. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 15:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Would Batman: Gotham Knight work? It's anime influenced animation just like &amp;quot;Animatrix&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I have no idea. Best idea would be to ask one of the admins around here. I just quoted the above from the rules as I remember someone asking about cartoons. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 08:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::If the rules say so, then how come [[The Iron Giant]] gets to stay on this website? It's a cartoon, too. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
As I said, I don't know. Your best bet is to ask an Admin that '''does know''' the answer. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 07:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Eminem==&lt;br /&gt;
When the Batman imposter killed by the Joker is slammed against the mayors window and they've lowered him down, there's a Joker card from a deck of cards on his chest with the words &amp;quot;Will the real Batman please stand up&amp;quot; on it. GREAT! Very nicely done.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:S.W.A.T._(2003)&amp;diff=347020</id>
		<title>Talk:S.W.A.T. (2003)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:S.W.A.T._(2003)&amp;diff=347020"/>
		<updated>2010-10-23T09:53:51Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;can someone please make a page for the tv show this movie was based on?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would if I had the DVD, but unfortunately I don't. They also only have the first half of the series on DVD, the second season hasn't been released. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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in the special features on the dvd there is a lot of footage from the show, i could do some screencaps&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sniping Scene ==&lt;br /&gt;
Just wondering if there was any reason (training, doctrine or whatever) that Renner/Gamble holds his dog tags between his teeth when taking out the LAPD helicopter with the MacMillan .50? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 19:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Doubt it, just being badass.-protoAuthor 20:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::To keep from biting his tongue. Some sharpshooters are somewhat wary of the .50's recoil, and bite down on something to keep their teeth separated when the stock jumps into them. Or at least, so I have been told. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 556 Stopping Power ==&lt;br /&gt;
In the bank, when Gamble takes out the first gunman holding the Browning, and accedentaly shoots a hostage, would the 556 round be able to go through the armor of the gunman after going through the arm of the hostage?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 22:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Depends on the armor and the specific payload on the 5.56; it has surprising penetrating power at short to medium range. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Oddly Accurate Politician Goof-up ==&lt;br /&gt;
During the press conference following the failed extraction attempt by Montel's goons, the weapons used during the attack on the DOC boss are referred to as &amp;quot;AK-47s.&amp;quot; The only weapons discharged during that scene are the .45ACP pistols used by the SWAT officers, a 9mm handgun, and a 9mm machine pistol. Then again, many of us have heard a particular politician refer to a barrel shroud as a &amp;quot;shoulder thing that goes up,&amp;quot; so it seems oddly fitting that one would incorrectly identify the weapons used in a violent shootout with police. (Especially since AK-47s are scarier than handguns.) [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Even more justified considering this film takes place in ignorant, gun-hating California. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Claymore Explosive Power?==&lt;br /&gt;
When Jim Street sets up the Claymore to blow the door off at the end, does the claymore have that much power? As far as I know, the Claymore is a small charge that detonates throwing 700 Ball Bearings out, would the charge be enough to blow the door? Would it prouce that bright orange flame? Would it detonate when Jim shoots it with the Kimber Custom? - [[Theocd]] 16th October 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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an M18A1 Claymore's explosion is from C4 inside the Claymore. and Jim just shot the primer that would have been tripped if LL Cool Jay tripped the wire.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Pulp Fiction reference==&lt;br /&gt;
At about 1:03 in the movie after Montel is busted out by the fake cops and shootout has ended, Montel slashes at Street with some glass, Hondo rushes over and holds his Kimber to the guys head and says &amp;quot;Move again, MOVE AGAIN!&amp;quot; in an obvious reference to the &amp;quot;Say what again&amp;quot; part from Pulp Fiction right down to the M1911.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:S.W.A.T._(2003)&amp;diff=347019</id>
		<title>Talk:S.W.A.T. (2003)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:S.W.A.T._(2003)&amp;diff=347019"/>
		<updated>2010-10-23T09:51:53Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;can someone please make a page for the tv show this movie was based on?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would if I had the DVD, but unfortunately I don't. They also only have the first half of the series on DVD, the second season hasn't been released. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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in the special features on the dvd there is a lot of footage from the show, i could do some screencaps&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Sniping Scene ==&lt;br /&gt;
Just wondering if there was any reason (training, doctrine or whatever) that Renner/Gamble holds his dog tags between his teeth when taking out the LAPD helicopter with the MacMillan .50? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 19:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Doubt it, just being badass.-protoAuthor 20:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::To keep from biting his tongue. Some sharpshooters are somewhat wary of the .50's recoil, and bite down on something to keep their teeth separated when the stock jumps into them. Or at least, so I have been told. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 556 Stopping Power ==&lt;br /&gt;
In the bank, when Gamble takes out the first gunman holding the Browning, and accedentaly shoots a hostage, would the 556 round be able to go through the armor of the gunman after going through the arm of the hostage?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 22:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Depends on the armor and the specific payload on the 5.56; it has surprising penetrating power at short to medium range. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Oddly Accurate Politician Goof-up ==&lt;br /&gt;
During the press conference following the failed extraction attempt by Montel's goons, the weapons used during the attack on the DOC boss are referred to as &amp;quot;AK-47s.&amp;quot; The only weapons discharged during that scene are the .45ACP pistols used by the SWAT officers, a 9mm handgun, and a 9mm machine pistol. Then again, many of us have heard a particular politician refer to a barrel shroud as a &amp;quot;shoulder thing that goes up,&amp;quot; so it seems oddly fitting that one would incorrectly identify the weapons used in a violent shootout with police. (Especially since AK-47s are scarier than handguns.) [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Even more justified considering this film takes place in ignorant, gun-hating California. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Claymore Explosive Power?==&lt;br /&gt;
When Jim Street sets up the Claymore to blow the door off at the end, does the claymore have that much power? As far as I know, the Claymore is a small charge that detonates throwing 700 Ball Bearings out, would the charge be enough to blow the door? Would it prouce that bright orange flame? Would it detonate when Jim shoots it with the Kimber Custom? - [[Theocd]] 16th October 2010&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
an M18A1 Claymore's explosion is from C4 inside the Claymore. and Jim just shot the primer that would have been tripped if LL Cool Jay tripped the wire.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Pulp Fiction reference==&lt;br /&gt;
At about 1:03 in the movie after that French guy (can't remember the name) is busted out by the fake cops and shootout has ended, the French guy slashes at Street with some glass, Hondo rushes over and holds his Kimber to the guys head and says &amp;quot;Move again, MOVE AGAIN!&amp;quot; in an obvious reference to the &amp;quot;Say what again&amp;quot; part from Pulp Fiction right down to the M1911.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334537</id>
		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334537"/>
		<updated>2010-09-27T11:25:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: /* M1 Bazooka */&lt;/p&gt;
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[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|thumb|right|300px|''Battlefield Heroes'' (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
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==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
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''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Winchester Model 1912===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester M1912 Riot Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-shotgun1912.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with a Winchester Model 1912.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant. All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard versions is an M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Thompson-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with an M1A1 Thompson.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-MP40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National holding his MP40.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. Both the Bad Company 2 assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with the Bad Company 2 outfit reloads his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with custom outfit fires his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National with an AK-74.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins.&lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen001.png|thumb|none|400px|Lewis Gun used ingame as Maxwell's Machinegun by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen000.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 as The Super Cheeser used ingame by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game because of [[Medal of Honor (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner with an M249 machine gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG34-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal gunner with a pilfered MG34 while wounded by the Burning Bullets ability.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG131 Machine Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be an [[MG131 machine gun]]. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG_131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG131 Machine Gun - 13x64mm B]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when ''[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]'' was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game as a ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'' tie-in.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A National gunner fires his PKM at an airplane.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sniper Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Commano class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. Once again, all weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk I===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. I]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Royals. There are three variants: Oscar's Farshot (moderate rate of fire), Pipsqueak's Popper (slow rate of fire), and the Roderick Rifle (fast rate of fire). The regular Lee Enfield has a much faster rate of fire than the real one to make it match the Gewehr 43's stats.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with magazine and scope - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-LeeEnfieldSniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Commando takes aim with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Gewehr 43===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Gewehr 43]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Nationals. There are three variants: The Gourmet (moderate rate of fire), Stefan's Sharpshooter (slow rate of fire), and The Groundbreaker (fast rate of fire).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G43-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Panzerbüchse 39===&lt;br /&gt;
The Panzerbüchse 39 is available as the level 10 sniper rifle for the Nationals. The variants are basically the names of the variants of the Gewehr 43 with the word &amp;quot;uber&amp;quot; in it and  are fitted for the same purposes, but with a critical hit change added.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Barrett M95===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Barrett M95]] is the Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle available for Royal commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Barrett m90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M95 .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SVD Dragunov===&lt;br /&gt;
Like the Barrett M95, the [[SVD Dragunov]] is available as a Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle for the National commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National commando with his SVD Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Launchers==&lt;br /&gt;
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===M1 Bazooka===&lt;br /&gt;
The World War II era American [[M1 Rocket Launcher &amp;quot;Bazooka&amp;quot;]] rocket propelled grenade launcher appears as the Tank Buster with a moderate blast radius and high damage output.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bazookasmithsonian.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Battlefield]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
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		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: /* M1 Bazooka */&lt;/p&gt;
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[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|thumb|right|300px|''Battlefield Heroes'' (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
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==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
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''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Winchester Model 1912===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester M1912 Riot Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-shotgun1912.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with a Winchester Model 1912.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant. All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard versions is an M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Thompson-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with an M1A1 Thompson.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-MP40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National holding his MP40.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. Both the Bad Company 2 assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with the Bad Company 2 outfit reloads his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with custom outfit fires his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National with an AK-74.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins.&lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen001.png|thumb|none|400px|Lewis Gun used ingame as Maxwell's Machinegun by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen000.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 as The Super Cheeser used ingame by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game because of [[Medal of Honor (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner with an M249 machine gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG34-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal gunner with a pilfered MG34 while wounded by the Burning Bullets ability.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG131 Machine Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be an [[MG131 machine gun]]. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG_131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG131 Machine Gun - 13x64mm B]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when ''[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]'' was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game as a ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'' tie-in.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A National gunner fires his PKM at an airplane.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sniper Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Commano class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. Once again, all weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk I===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. I]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Royals. There are three variants: Oscar's Farshot (moderate rate of fire), Pipsqueak's Popper (slow rate of fire), and the Roderick Rifle (fast rate of fire). The regular Lee Enfield has a much faster rate of fire than the real one to make it match the Gewehr 43's stats.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with magazine and scope - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-LeeEnfieldSniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Commando takes aim with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Gewehr 43===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Gewehr 43]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Nationals. There are three variants: The Gourmet (moderate rate of fire), Stefan's Sharpshooter (slow rate of fire), and The Groundbreaker (fast rate of fire).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G43-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Panzerbüchse 39===&lt;br /&gt;
The Panzerbüchse 39 is available as the level 10 sniper rifle for the Nationals. The variants are basically the names of the variants of the Gewehr 43 with the word &amp;quot;uber&amp;quot; in it and  are fitted for the same purposes, but with a critical hit change added.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Barrett M95===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Barrett M95]] is the Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle available for Royal commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Barrett m90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M95 .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SVD Dragunov===&lt;br /&gt;
Like the Barrett M95, the [[SVD Dragunov]] is available as a Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle for the National commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National commando with his SVD Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Launchers==&lt;br /&gt;
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===M1 Bazooka===&lt;br /&gt;
The World War II era American [[M1 Rocket Launcher Bazooka]] rocket propelled grenade launcher appears as the Tank Buster with a moderate blast radius and high damage output.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bazookasmithsonian.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:War]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Battlefield]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334535</id>
		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334535"/>
		<updated>2010-09-27T11:24:02Z</updated>

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[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|thumb|right|300px|''Battlefield Heroes'' (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
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==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
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''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Winchester Model 1912===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester M1912 Riot Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-shotgun1912.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with a Winchester Model 1912.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant. All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The standard versions is an M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Thompson-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with an M1A1 Thompson.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-MP40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National holding his MP40.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. Both the Bad Company 2 assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with the Bad Company 2 outfit reloads his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with custom outfit fires his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National with an AK-74.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins.&lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen001.png|thumb|none|400px|Lewis Gun used ingame as Maxwell's Machinegun by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen000.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 as The Super Cheeser used ingame by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game because of [[Medal of Honor (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner with an M249 machine gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG34-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal gunner with a pilfered MG34 while wounded by the Burning Bullets ability.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG131 Machine Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be an [[MG131 machine gun]]. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG_131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG131 Machine Gun - 13x64mm B]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when ''[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]'' was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game as a ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'' tie-in.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A National gunner fires his PKM at an airplane.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sniper Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Commano class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. Once again, all weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk I===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. I]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Royals. There are three variants: Oscar's Farshot (moderate rate of fire), Pipsqueak's Popper (slow rate of fire), and the Roderick Rifle (fast rate of fire). The regular Lee Enfield has a much faster rate of fire than the real one to make it match the Gewehr 43's stats.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with magazine and scope - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-LeeEnfieldSniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Commando takes aim with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Gewehr 43===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Gewehr 43]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Nationals. There are three variants: The Gourmet (moderate rate of fire), Stefan's Sharpshooter (slow rate of fire), and The Groundbreaker (fast rate of fire).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G43-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Panzerbüchse 39===&lt;br /&gt;
The Panzerbüchse 39 is available as the level 10 sniper rifle for the Nationals. The variants are basically the names of the variants of the Gewehr 43 with the word &amp;quot;uber&amp;quot; in it and  are fitted for the same purposes, but with a critical hit change added.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Barrett M95===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Barrett M95]] is the Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle available for Royal commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Barrett m90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M95 .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SVD Dragunov===&lt;br /&gt;
Like the Barrett M95, the [[SVD Dragunov]] is available as a Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle for the National commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National commando with his SVD Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Launchers==&lt;br /&gt;
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===M1 Bazooka===&lt;br /&gt;
The World War II era American [[Bazooka]] rocket propelled grenade launcher appears as the Tank Buster with a moderate blast radius and high damage output.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bazookasmithsonian.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:War]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Battlefield]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334534</id>
		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334534"/>
		<updated>2010-09-27T11:22:31Z</updated>

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[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|thumb|right|300px|''Battlefield Heroes'' (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Winchester Model 1912===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester M1912 Riot Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-shotgun1912.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with a Winchester Model 1912.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant. All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard versions is an M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Thompson-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with an M1A1 Thompson.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-MP40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National holding his MP40.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. Both the Bad Company 2 assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with the Bad Company 2 outfit reloads his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with custom outfit fires his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National with an AK-74.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins.&lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen001.png|thumb|none|400px|Lewis Gun used ingame as Maxwell's Machinegun by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen000.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 as The Super Cheeser used ingame by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game because of [[Medal of Honor (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner with an M249 machine gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG34-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal gunner with a pilfered MG34 while wounded by the Burning Bullets ability.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG131 Machine Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be an [[MG131 machine gun]]. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG_131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG131 Machine Gun - 13x64mm B]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when ''[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]'' was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game as a ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'' tie-in.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A National gunner fires his PKM at an airplane.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sniper Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Commano class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. Once again, all weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk I===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. I]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Royals. There are three variants: Oscar's Farshot (moderate rate of fire), Pipsqueak's Popper (slow rate of fire), and the Roderick Rifle (fast rate of fire). The regular Lee Enfield has a much faster rate of fire than the real one to make it match the Gewehr 43's stats.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with magazine and scope - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-LeeEnfieldSniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Commando takes aim with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Gewehr 43===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Gewehr 43]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Nationals. There are three variants: The Gourmet (moderate rate of fire), Stefan's Sharpshooter (slow rate of fire), and The Groundbreaker (fast rate of fire).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G43-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Panzerbüchse 39===&lt;br /&gt;
The Panzerbüchse 39 is available as the level 10 sniper rifle for the Nationals. The variants are basically the names of the variants of the Gewehr 43 with the word &amp;quot;uber&amp;quot; in it and  are fitted for the same purposes, but with a critical hit change added.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Barrett M95===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Barrett M95]] is the Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle available for Royal commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Barrett m90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M95 .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SVD Dragunov===&lt;br /&gt;
Like the Barrett M95, the [[SVD Dragunov]] is available as a Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle for the National commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National commando with his SVD Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Launchers==&lt;br /&gt;
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===M1A1 Bazooka===&lt;br /&gt;
The World War II era American Bazooka rocket propelled grenade launcher appears as the Tank Buster with a moderate blast radius and high damage output.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Battlefield]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
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[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|thumb|right|300px|''Battlefield Heroes'' (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
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==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
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''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Winchester Model 1912===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester M1912 Riot Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-shotgun1912.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with a Winchester Model 1912.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant. All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard versions is an M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Thompson-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with an M1A1 Thompson.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-MP40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National holding his MP40.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. Both the Bad Company 2 assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with the Bad Company 2 outfit reloads his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with custom outfit fires his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National with an AK-74.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins.&lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen001.png|thumb|none|400px|Lewis Gun used ingame as Maxwell's Machinegun by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen000.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 as The Super Cheeser used ingame by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game because of [[Medal of Honor (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner with an M249 machine gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG34-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal gunner with a pilfered MG34 while wounded by the Burning Bullets ability.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===MG131 Machine Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be an [[MG131 machine gun]]. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG_131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG131 Machine Gun - 13x64mm B]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when ''[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]'' was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game as a ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'' tie-in.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A National gunner fires his PKM at an airplane.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Sniper Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Commano class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. Once again, all weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk I===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. I]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Royals. There are three variants: Oscar's Farshot (moderate rate of fire), Pipsqueak's Popper (slow rate of fire), and the Roderick Rifle (fast rate of fire). The regular Lee Enfield has a much faster rate of fire than the real one to make it match the Gewehr 43's stats.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with magazine and scope - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-LeeEnfieldSniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Commando takes aim with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Gewehr 43===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Gewehr 43]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Nationals. There are three variants: The Gourmet (moderate rate of fire), Stefan's Sharpshooter (slow rate of fire), and The Groundbreaker (fast rate of fire).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G43-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Panzerbüchse 39===&lt;br /&gt;
The Panzerbüchse 39 is available as the level 10 sniper rifle for the Nationals. The variants are basically the names of the variants of the Gewehr 43 with the word &amp;quot;uber&amp;quot; in it and  are fitted for the same purposes, but with a critical hit change added.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Barrett M95===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Barrett M95]] is the Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle available for Royal commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Barrett m90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M95 .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===SVD Dragunov===&lt;br /&gt;
Like the Barrett M95, the [[SVD Dragunov]] is available as a Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle for the National commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National commando with his SVD Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:War]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Battlefield]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334531</id>
		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334531"/>
		<updated>2010-09-27T10:54:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|thumb|right|300px|''Battlefield Heroes'' (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
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==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Winchester Model 1912===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester M1912 Riot Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-shotgun1912.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with a Winchester Model 1912.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant. All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The standard versions is an M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Thompson-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with an M1A1 Thompson.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-MP40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National holding his MP40.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. Both the Bad Company 2 assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with the Bad Company 2 outfit reloads his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with custom outfit fires his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National with an AK-74.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins.&lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen001.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Lewis Gun used ingame as Maxwell's Machinegun by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen000.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 as The Super Cheeser used ingame by a Royal Gunner with a custom outfit]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game because of [[Medal of Honor (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner with an M249 machine gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG34-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal gunner with a pilfered MG34 while wounded by the Burning Bullets ability.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===MG131 Machine Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be an [[MG131 machine gun]]. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG_131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG131 Machine Gun - 13x64mm B]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when ''[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]'' was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game as a ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'' tie-in.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A National gunner fires his PKM at an airplane.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Sniper Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Commano class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. Once again, all weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk I===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. I]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Royals. There are three variants: Oscar's Farshot (moderate rate of fire), Pipsqueak's Popper (slow rate of fire), and the Roderick Rifle (fast rate of fire). The regular Lee Enfield has a much faster rate of fire than the real one to make it match the Gewehr 43's stats.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with magazine and scope - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-LeeEnfieldSniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Commando takes aim with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Gewehr 43===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Gewehr 43]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Nationals. There are three variants: The Gourmet (moderate rate of fire), Stefan's Sharpshooter (slow rate of fire), and The Groundbreaker (fast rate of fire).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G43-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Panzerbüchse 39===&lt;br /&gt;
The Panzerbüchse 39 is available as the level 10 sniper rifle for the Nationals. The variants are basically the names of the variants of the Gewehr 43 with the word &amp;quot;uber&amp;quot; in it and  are fitted for the same purposes, but with a critical hit change added.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Barrett M95===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Barrett M95]] is the Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle available for Royal commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Barrett m90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M95 .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===SVD Dragunov===&lt;br /&gt;
Like the Barrett M95, the [[SVD Dragunov]] is available as a Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle for the National commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National commando with his SVD Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:War]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Battlefield]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>File:Screen001.png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=File:Screen001.png&amp;diff=334530"/>
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&lt;div&gt;Lewis Gun Battlefield Heroes&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334529"/>
		<updated>2010-09-27T10:52:15Z</updated>

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[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|thumb|right|300px|''Battlefield Heroes'' (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Winchester Model 1912===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester M1912 Riot Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-shotgun1912.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with a Winchester Model 1912.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant. All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard versions is an M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Thompson-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal soldier with an M1A1 Thompson.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-MP40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National holding his MP40.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. Both the Bad Company 2 assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with the Bad Company 2 outfit reloads his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M4AlCarbine2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with custom outfit fires his M4Al Carbine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National with an AK-74.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins.&lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen000.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 as The Super Cheeser used ingame by a Gunner with a custom outfit]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game because of [[Medal of Honor (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-M249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner with an M249 machine gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG34-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Royal gunner with a pilfered MG34 while wounded by the Burning Bullets ability.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG131 Machine Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be an [[MG131 machine gun]]. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG_131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG131 Machine Gun - 13x64mm B]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when ''[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]'' was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game as a ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'' tie-in.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A National gunner fires his PKM at an airplane.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sniper Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Commano class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. Once again, all weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk I===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. I]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Royals. There are three variants: Oscar's Farshot (moderate rate of fire), Pipsqueak's Popper (slow rate of fire), and the Roderick Rifle (fast rate of fire). The regular Lee Enfield has a much faster rate of fire than the real one to make it match the Gewehr 43's stats.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with magazine and scope - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFHeroes-LeeEnfieldSniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Commando takes aim with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Gewehr 43===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Gewehr 43]] appears as the starting sniper rifle for the Nationals. There are three variants: The Gourmet (moderate rate of fire), Stefan's Sharpshooter (slow rate of fire), and The Groundbreaker (fast rate of fire).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G43-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Panzerbüchse 39===&lt;br /&gt;
The Panzerbüchse 39 is available as the level 10 sniper rifle for the Nationals. The variants are basically the names of the variants of the Gewehr 43 with the word &amp;quot;uber&amp;quot; in it and  are fitted for the same purposes, but with a critical hit change added.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Barrett M95===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Barrett M95]] is the Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle available for Royal commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Barrett m90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M95 .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SVD Dragunov===&lt;br /&gt;
Like the Barrett M95, the [[SVD Dragunov]] is available as a Bad Company 2 exclusive sniper rifle for the National commandos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SVD-BFHeroes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A National commando with his SVD Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:War]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Battlefield]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: Browning m1917 Battlefield Heroes&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Browning m1917 Battlefield Heroes&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: /* M249 */&lt;/p&gt;
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Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
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==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
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''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shotgunpump.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca Model 37 - 12 Gauge. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Pump-action shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This shotgun appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant. All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard versions look like the M1 or M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. Both the Bad Company 2 assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version, which the opposite faction can buy.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions, which the opposite faction can buy, except for the Medal of Honor tie-ins.&lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game because of [[Medal of Honor (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===MG 131===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be a MG 131. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MG_131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG 131 - 13x64B]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game as a Medal of Honor tie-in.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334131</id>
		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334131"/>
		<updated>2010-09-26T16:09:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|right|256px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version which is the other factions weapons for the other faction. &lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version which is the other factions weapons for the other faction. &lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Pump-action shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This shotgun appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant. All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version which is the other factions weapons for the other faction.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The standard versions look like the M1 or M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. All the assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version which is the other factions weapons for the other faction, except for the Tier 1 weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns, but with different names of course. There are Stolen versions of the Royal machine guns which are only available to the Nationalists and there are Pilfered versions of the Nationalist weapons that are only available to the Royals. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions except the Tier 1 weapons.  &lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game when [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] was released. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===MG-131===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be a MG-131. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game when [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] was released. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334130</id>
		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334130"/>
		<updated>2010-09-26T16:07:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|right|256px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96. All the pistols have a Stolen/Pilfered version which is the other factions weapons for the other faction. &lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one.All the shotguns have a Stolen/Pilfered version which is the other factions weapons for the other faction. &lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Pump-action shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This shotgun appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant.All the submachine guns have a Stolen/Pilfered version which is the other factions weapons for the other faction.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The standard versions look like the M1 or M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. All the assault rifles have a Stolen/Pilfered version which is the other factions weapons for the other faction, except for the Tier 1 weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns, but with different names of course. There are Stolen versions of the Royal machine guns which are only available to the Nationalists and there are Pilfered versions of the Nationalist weapons that are only available to the Royals. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions except the Tier 1 weapons.  &lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game when [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] was released. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===MG-131===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be a MG-131. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game when [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] was released. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334124</id>
		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334124"/>
		<updated>2010-09-26T15:59:46Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
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[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|right|256px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. &lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Pump-action shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This shotgun appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture.&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Sawn-off double barrel shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This is the level 10 shotguns, and they are as follows: Royal: Stewart's Super Shotty 15 round (short), Hubble's Super Double Trouble 13 round (medium) and Super Slugger 11 round (long) with wood furniture. Nationalists: Friedrich's Uber Fly Swatter 15 round (short), Steiner's Uber Shotgun 13 round (medium), and Uwe's Uber Overpowered 11 round (long) with black furniture. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The standard versions look like the M1 or M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. &lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns, but with different names of course. There are Stolen versions of the Royal machine guns which are only available to the Nationalists and there are Pilfered versions of the Nationalist weapons that are only available to the Royals. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions except the Tier 1 Elite weapons.  &lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game when [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] was released. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===MG-131===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be a MG-131. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game when [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] was released. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334121</id>
		<title>Battlefield Heroes</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Battlefield_Heroes&amp;diff=334121"/>
		<updated>2010-09-26T15:54:51Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;T.H.M.Christensen: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF-Heroes-logo.png|right|256px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Battlefield Heroes is a cartoon-style, World War 2-like action video game developed by EA and DICE. Most of the game is third-person and the guns are simply renamed and have different variants for different purposes. The game uses battlefunds, which can be purchased with real money, to let players buy exclusive items and custom weapons and modern weapons from the [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] promotional material.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''This is a work in progress. Please do not edit. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 13:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The following weapons are used in the video game Battlefield Heroes:''' &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Factions and Classes==&lt;br /&gt;
'''Royals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII UK and US, but are not actually 1940's UK and US.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
'''Nationals'''&lt;br /&gt;
Based on WWII Germany, but like the Royals, are not actually German.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''There are three classes in the game, available and identical for both factions.''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Soldier'''&lt;br /&gt;
All-round class, which uses Submachine Guns, Shotguns or Pistols.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Commando'''&lt;br /&gt;
A stealth/range class. Uses scoped Rifles, Knives or Pistols. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Gunner'''&lt;br /&gt;
Fire support. Uses Machine Guns, Shotguns or Rocket Launchers. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Pistols==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in three different types; short-ranged and fast-firing, medium-range and medium ROF, and slow but long-ranged. The variants of the M1911A1 and the Luger are identical in performance, as are the revolver and the C96.&lt;br /&gt;
===M1911A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard pistol for Royals. Called either Garreth Custom (fast version), Carl's Cold Comfort (medium), or Harry's Hand Cannon (slow version).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - 45ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Revolver===&lt;br /&gt;
Second pistol for Royals. Better than the M1911A1, but costs more and requires a Hero to be level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
The variants are called Garreth Super Custom, Carl's Super Cold Comfort and Harry's Super Hand Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Luger P08===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Luger P08]] is the standard pistol for Nationals. The variants are called Florenz' Flurry (fast), Ludwig's Loaded (medium), and Gerhart's Greatest (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.  This is blank adapted movie gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mauser C96===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mauser C96]] is the second Nationals pistol. Like the revolver, it is better than the Luger P08, but costs more and only be used by Heroes that are level ten.&lt;br /&gt;
Variants are called Florenz' Uber Flurry, Ludwig's Uber Loaded, and Gerhart's Uber Greatest. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 &amp;quot;Broomhandle&amp;quot; Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available as long, medium and short range. The shotguns are used by both factions but only the Soldier and Gunner classes can use them, and both starts with one. &lt;br /&gt;
===Unidentified Pump-action shotgun===&lt;br /&gt;
This shotgun appears as Stewart's Shotty 12 round (short), Hubble's Double Trouble 10 round (medium), and Slugger 8 round (long) and Stewart's Dapper Shotty which is a gold reskin of the standard Shotty with the Royals, with wood furniture, and as Freidrich's Fly Swatter 12 round (short), Steiner's Shotgun 10 round (medium), and Uwe's Overpowered 8 round (long) and as Friedrich's Stylish Fly Swatter which is a reskin of the standard fly swatter. All the Nationalist shotguns have black furniture. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submachine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same three variants as the pistols, though the level ten guns are the weapon as the standard guns, only a different variant.&lt;br /&gt;
===Thompson===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Thompson]] is the Royals submachine gun. The standard variants are called Tommy's Typewriter (fast), Charlie's Chopper (medium), and Greg's Greasy Gun.&lt;br /&gt;
The level ten versions are called Tommy's Super Typewriter, Charlie's Super Chopper and Greg's Super Greasy Gun. There is also Tommy's Dapper Typewriter, which is just a reskin of the original Typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The standard versions look like the M1 or M1A1 Thompson, while the level ten versions look like the M1928 with a vertical foregrip, compensator and a fifty-round drum magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928 &amp;quot;Tommy Gun&amp;quot; - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===MP40===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MP40]] is the Nationalist submachine gun. Like the Thompson, it's both the standard and the level ten submachine gun. &lt;br /&gt;
Available in the same variants as the Thompson, these are called Rudolf's Rescue (fast), The Kommandant (medium) and The Wacky Machine Gun (slow). Level ten variants are the Rudolf's Uber Rescue, The Uber Kommandant, and The Uber Wacky Machine Gun. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rudolf's Stylish Rescue is a reskinned version of the regular Rescue.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Assault Rifles==&lt;br /&gt;
The assault rifles are all part of the tie-in stuff from [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Bad Company 2]] or [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]. &lt;br /&gt;
Classified as submachine guns in the game, they perform like the standard level ten SMGs.&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M4A1]] is the Royals' Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Incorrectly called M16. The M4A1 is a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
The Royal's Medal of Honor tie-in submachine gun is also an M4A1, thought this time with an ACOG scope replacing the carrying handle. This is a long-range, slow-firing weapon, and is called Tier 1 Elite M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===AK-74===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-74]] is the Nationals Bad Company 2 tie-in submachine gun. Like the M4A1, it's a fast, short-range weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Medal of Honor tie-in is also an AK-74, this time with a scope and a bayonet, which is called Specialist's Tier 1 AK74. Like the MoH M4A1, it's a slow-firing, long-range weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74, 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Machine Guns==&lt;br /&gt;
Main weapon of the Gunner class and available in the same three variants as the pistols and submachine guns, but with different names of course. There are Stolen versions of the Royal machine guns which are only available to the Nationalists and there are Pilfered versions of the Nationalist weapons that are only available to the Royals. All weapons have Pilfered/Stolen versions except the Tier 1 Elite weapons.  &lt;br /&gt;
===Lewis Gun===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Lewis Gun]] is the starting gun for the Royals. The standard variants are: The Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow). There is also a Bernie's Dapper Bone Chewer, which is a gold reskin of the standard Bone Chewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Browning M1917===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning M1917]] is the level 10 weapon for the Royals. The variants are The Super Cheeser 130 round mags (fast), Maxwell's Super Machinegun 110 round mags (medium), and Bernie's Super Bone Chewer 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|375px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]] &lt;br /&gt;
===M249===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249]] appears in the game as the M249 120 round mag slow machine gun implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was released, and as Tier 1 Elite M249 which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun and has a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game when [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] was released. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===MG-34===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MG34]] is the Nationalists starter Gunner weapon. There are three different versions: The Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium), and Wolfgang's Wonderful 120 round mags (slow). There is also Wolfgang's Stylish Wonderful which is a reskin of the standard Wonderful. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===MG-131===&lt;br /&gt;
The Nationalist level 10 machine gun looks to be a MG-131. There are three different variants: The Uber Backscratcher 130 round mags (fast), Rudi's Uber Ridiculous 110 round mags (medium) and Wolfgang's Uber Wonderful 120 round mags (slow).&lt;br /&gt;
===PKM===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] appears as PKM for the Nationalists and is a 120 round mag slow machine gun. It was implemented into the game when [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] was realeased, and as Tier 1 Elite PKM which is a 130 round mag fast machine gun with a desert camo paint scheme and was implemented into the game when [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] was released. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|515px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>T.H.M.Christensen</name></author>
	</entry>
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