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Talk:Kong: Skull Island

2019-11-07T20:05:59Z

Stormtrooper53: /* Browning M2 Aircraft */

== 1911 ==
I don't think that's a 1911 sam jackson is using in that screenshot, looks more like a colt 1903 hammer --[[User:Toadvine|Toadvine]] ([[User talk:Toadvine|talk]]) 00:32, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

I think it looks like a Colt 1902 Model. [[http://66.media.tumblr.com/5d50c2b4441bdd1d723dc212a186573a/tumblr_mz22pyU8qP1s57vgxo2_1280.jpg]]--[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 00:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

Yeah I think you're right--[[User:Toadvine|Toadvine]] ([[User talk:Toadvine|talk]]) 01:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

==M16==
Granted it's a blurry shot, but it looks to have the three-prong flash hider which would make it more likely an M16/SP1. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:51, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

:Yeah, I saw one in the BTS footage too, but I think there was also a birdcage.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 02:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
:: To be fair the SP1 can have (and is indeed seen) with A1-style flash-hiders as well as 3 prong. We really need a shot of the receiver to positively confirm. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:21, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

The rifle in the second cap definitely has a forward assist, so that is an A1 (or perhaps an XM16E1, though that's less likely). The other one still has the 3-prong, making me think it's still an SP1. It ''could'' be an XM16E1 or even an A1 with the older flash hider fitted but both are very unlikely (the latter very much so). That said I think the two should be listed separately for the time being. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:10, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

Can someone remind me when 30 round mags were introduced? Did they come out before or after the M203 was put into service? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:18, 9 March 2017 (EST)

:I think that 30 rounders were first available in late 1970, and the M203 was adopted in 1969 so slightly earlier. I think they were very limited in 69 though, it would be another year or two before they started being widespread. However the film is set in 1973 so there is no anachronism with either though. I'm not sure, but i think the 30 rounders were mainly used with the carbines, so still having the 20 rounders in 1973 on M16s as seen here would probably be more common. On the topic of M16s, did anybody manage to keep track of what was going on with the SP1s/M16A1s? I couldn't decide if they were a random mix and everybody kept their own, or if they were randomly switching throughout the film. I know that Hiddleston's character used both, but I think he had an SP1 before they got on the boat and an A1 after so it may have been meant to be a different gun rather than a continuity error, but I doubt it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:34, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

I'm actually glad they didn't use any CAR-15s on the fact that most likely they'll get it wrong and throw an M733 into this [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:40, 16 March 2017 (EDT)

On the topic of the M16, it seems the page doesn't have ''any'' M16A1 shots. All the ones under the A1 entry are SP1s.
[[File:KSI 17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Three-prong flash hider and no receiver fencing. The shot of Conrad kneeling is from the same sequence, so probably the same rifle.]]
[[File:KSI 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|No fencing around the mag release.]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:26, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

== .50 ==

I call bullshit on Kong surviving barrages from a .50 cal, I get godzilla, he has scales and those are magnified what 100 times from like a gator, but Kong is just a huge ape, he has no protection, I hope they do something like Helos and planes can't fly on the island due to magnetic fields or some other cop out,so that Kong goes against only the main characters, that would be realistic,but a whole carrier a 60-70's era military would kill Kong in a few seconds.
:Well, to be fair, the shot shows no indications that Kong is the one they are firing the .50 cal at. The trailer showed a giant spider like creature, and I do not doubt we'll see some of Skull Island's more notorious creatures. -[[User:1morey]] August 18, 2016 4:20 PM (EST)

We saw how the original Kong got killed from machine gun bullets from bi-planes and those were smaller caliber than the .50 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:08, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
:Granted, this Kong is MUCH bigger than Peter Jackson's Kong, about Godzilla size. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 01:39, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
::Cross your fingers for a Godzilla vs King Kong made by Legendary Pictures crossed with Pacific Rim [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:54, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
:::Well, they already have Godzilla 2 (With Rodan, Ghidorah, and Mothra scheduled for 2018) and Godzilla vs. Kong for 2020. I think Pacific Rim should be its own thing, didn't really care for it. -[[User:1morey]] August 20, 2016 8:37 AM (EST)

:I just saw this movie and I have no idea where the .50 came from. They literally pulled it out of their ass for that scene. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:36, 13 March 2017 (EDT)
::I'm glad you said that, I though I had just missed it somehow. I character just screams "set up the 50" and it is suddenly there. And to answer the initial concern, it isn't Kong they are shooting at but a skullcrawler, however it is only one of the small ones so that makes even less sense that it is totally ineffective (especially considering that its skin is thin enough that a camera flash shines through). That was one of my gripes with the movie, that bullets had basically zero effect on any of the creatures yet that is pretty much all they did in any of the fights. It especially annoyed me that the soldiers were carrying at lest two grenade launchers (and a very obvious full bandolier of grenades) but they were never used in the film, despite being probably the only weapon they were carrying that would realistically do anything. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:46, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
::Captain Cole had the M79 and didn't use it once and the flamethrower guy also kinda came out of no where because I don't remember seeing him walk with Sam Jackson's group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:16, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
:::You could actually see the flamethrower guy earlier in the film, part of the problem though is that they were really bad at establishing how many people there were with Jackson's group, it seemed to fluctuate wildly depending on the plot with people seeming to show up for the first time just to get killed. If we are talking about thing magically appearing, I feel I should mention the helicopters. There was a very clear establishing shot of the freighter which showed it had a Chinook on the bow, a Sea Stallion on the stern and then (I think)) five Hueys talking up the whole of the deck. However, a few seconds later there were somehow 10+ Hueys in the air, and then at the end of the film 3 more showed up. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:02, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
::I think there were more helicopters inside the ship. I saw some kind of hanger to the rear of the ship where the Sea Stallion took off from. But yeah, there were more Heuys than the ship could clearly carry on deck. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:16, 15 March 2017 (EDT)
:::I missed the hanger but just looked on Youtube and it is actually in one of the trailers, and it holds 2 unarmed medevac Hueys. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:57, 15 March 2017 (EDT)
::::So they were hiding a 3rd one somewhere for the end?[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:39, 16 March 2017 (EDT)
:::::I also find it hilarious that both Marlow and Gunpei couldn't hit shit with their handguns at the ranges. It was funny kinda cartoony standoff they had, also kinda odd that Gunpei has a C96 instead of any of the typical Japanese pistol, but not entirely impossible. Officers in the Japanese military were encouraged to purchase their own personal handgun and a lot did because they recognize how inadequate the standard issued sidearms are. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:09, 20 March 2017 (EDT)

It's also never clear where exactly is Skull Island, so it's impossible to tell if any US battle groups were engaging the Japanese fleet and this late in the war, yeah...unlikely since by this time, pretty much all of the Japanese's carrier groups were destroyed, most at Midway. So this is very unlikely that either fighters could have made it to Skull Island, let along get pass the eternal storm that no one seems to know about. It's like they borrowed the island from the Tomb Raider remake game but made it into Skull Island. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:09, 20 March 2017 (EDT)

Also funny how a flare gun had some kind of explosive effect on the side of the big skull crawler. Makes me wonder what'll happen if they used the grenade launchers [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:18, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

::While we're on the subject of bullshit in this movie, what about that P-51 somehow magically ending up on Skull Island? Should've been a Hellcat, and in any case, the odds of such a fight happening in 1944 seem pretty slim to me. --[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 22:19, 19 March 2017 (EDT)
:::Some P-51 units did serve in the Pacific, though I'm unsure of when or where exactly.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 14:41, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
:::Which goes back to my question of where is Skull Island in relations to the Pacific War? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:07, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
::::The P-51 is a land based fighter, though, so if one crashed on Skull Island during a dogfight, then it would've had to have been within reach the plane's legs, especially when you realize it would've been using extra fuel fighting the Zero and fighting through the hurricane constantly around the island. The island can't actually be ''that'' far away if a land based fighter was able to reach it. Also, Zeros are carrier-based, so it seems odd to me an Axis carrier-based fighter is fighting an Allied land based fighter in 1944. I think this is more a matter of critical research failure, though; it should absolutely have been a Hellcat off a carrier.
::::Also, while we're on the subject, does it seem I dunno, just ''stupid'' how the Skull Crawlers' skin can resist a .50 machine gun burst but a katana can part it like butter?--[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 20:08, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
:::::P-51s were used in the Pacific flying from Iwo Jima, mainly flying to mainland Japan escorting B-29s. The first Mustangs were on Iwo Jima in March 1945, and I think this is the first time they were used in the Pacific so if that opening scene was in 1944 (I can't remember) then it is incorrect. Also, although Zeros where carrier planes there weren't that many carriers left after Midway, so most of the Zeros were flying from ground bases. As for the range of a Mustang, with tanks they can fly for 1500 miles, so draw a 750 mile circle around any island with a runway that the US captured and Skull Island should logically be in there somewhere. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:15, 21 March 2017 (EDT)

I will forget rag on the fact that monster movies or really any movie completely underestimate the power of the Ma Deuce. I think Rambo is one of the only time that shows us how destructive a .50 cal is. Also I am not letting go of the fact that they hid a .50 cal that needed to be "set up"...who the fuck was carrying it? The thing weighs like 80 lbs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2017 (EDT)

:I looked through some of the trailers and B roll footage that they released, and you actually see it a couple of times, but you wouldn;t really know it and it is still totally unrealistic that somebody would be able to carry it like this. If you look at this bit of the B-roll footage, the character in the background has a canvas bag that you can just see the spade grips sticking out of:[[ File:Kong B roll 0001.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]]You can also see this bag earlier in the film when the two groups meet back up, but at this point it looks more like an empty sack that is not actually holding anything. There are many shots that are meant to show the whole group that he isn't in though, he comes and goes like a few other cannon fodder soldiers. Nobody else seems to be carrying any of the parts though (somebody else can be seen with 2 ammo cans) so must still be carrying the receiver, barrel and tripod, so it is 128 lbs. Even if we imagine that he could somehow carry it or they are sharing the weight, the M2HB actually takes a few minuted to put together as in this incarnation the barrel isn't quick change and needs to be head-spaced before it can be fired. By this point, they should have already been eaten, not that it really matters because as you say the machine gun doesn't actually do anything anyway. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:41, 21 March 2017 (EDT)

It annoys me a great deal when people just bust out an M2, the thing is a monster, carrying any part of it sucks. Been there, done that. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] ([[User talk:Thursday|talk]])
== Please help ID ==

Please help ID this flare gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 01:58, 8 March 2017 (EST)
[[File:KSI 515.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
: It looks like a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Type10Safety.jpg Type 10 japanese one]--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 08:48, 8 March 2017 (EST)

:: I really doubt that a Hollywood prop company could get their hands on a fairly rare Type 10 Japanese flare gun, and while this looks close to it, it isn't. The finish is too dark and too nice looking for a fairly rare flare gun, combo that with the evident lanyard loop, different grip angle and much larger trigger guard, it looks to be an Orion Flare Gun that's being made to look like a period flare gun by being painted black.- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 13:54, 8 March 2017 (EST)

Yeah, that curved grip definitely makes me think Orion.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 19:52, 8 March 2017 (EST)H3nry8adger1982

Looks like a Webley & Scott No. 4 Mk. 1 to me. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 10:54, 9 March 2017 (EST)

Here is a production image. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 13:18, 9 March 2017 (EST)
[[File:KSIBTS 04.jpg|thumb|none|800px]]

Yep, it's a 25mm Orion, painted black. Might be to masquerade it as a WWII-era M8 Flare gun. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 20:21, 9 March 2017 (EST)

:I don't really know why they did that, as another character uses a real M8 at another point in the film. Maybe they didn't like how it looked in her hand so chose a smaller gun, or perhaps it is because she is firing it towards the camera and they wanted something of a smaller calibre that they could control more easily. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:54, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

== Mauser C96 ==

Does anybody know what that grooved bit on the front of the box magazine is? The Mauser C96 used by Harrison Ford in Star Wars has one like it (painted black however). - [[user:1morey]] November 8, 2017 11:38 AM (EST)

== Browning M2 Aircraft ==

The page says that the ball turret and these guns were apparently salvaged from a B-17. However, Marlow specifically says that he and Ikari began building the boat from parts of their aircraft, a P-51 and a Zero, and a B-29 that crashed on the beach. Obviously the ball turret can't come from the fighters and the B-29 only had remote control turrets and a tail gunner, not the ball turret seen in the movie. Are we just assuming that the ball turret came from a B-17? The B-24, which used the same turret, was the predominant heavy bomber in the Pacific so if the turret was scrounged from an aircraft other than the three Marlow mentions, it is more like to have come from a Liberator than a B-17. Since Marlow only mentions those three aircraft, though, I'd say this was a goof.

Talk:Kong: Skull Island

2019-11-07T20:05:20Z

Stormtrooper53: question about the description of the Browning M2 Aircraft

== 1911 ==
I don't think that's a 1911 sam jackson is using in that screenshot, looks more like a colt 1903 hammer --[[User:Toadvine|Toadvine]] ([[User talk:Toadvine|talk]]) 00:32, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

I think it looks like a Colt 1902 Model. [[http://66.media.tumblr.com/5d50c2b4441bdd1d723dc212a186573a/tumblr_mz22pyU8qP1s57vgxo2_1280.jpg]]--[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 00:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

Yeah I think you're right--[[User:Toadvine|Toadvine]] ([[User talk:Toadvine|talk]]) 01:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

==M16==
Granted it's a blurry shot, but it looks to have the three-prong flash hider which would make it more likely an M16/SP1. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:51, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

:Yeah, I saw one in the BTS footage too, but I think there was also a birdcage.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 02:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
:: To be fair the SP1 can have (and is indeed seen) with A1-style flash-hiders as well as 3 prong. We really need a shot of the receiver to positively confirm. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:21, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

The rifle in the second cap definitely has a forward assist, so that is an A1 (or perhaps an XM16E1, though that's less likely). The other one still has the 3-prong, making me think it's still an SP1. It ''could'' be an XM16E1 or even an A1 with the older flash hider fitted but both are very unlikely (the latter very much so). That said I think the two should be listed separately for the time being. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:10, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

Can someone remind me when 30 round mags were introduced? Did they come out before or after the M203 was put into service? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:18, 9 March 2017 (EST)

:I think that 30 rounders were first available in late 1970, and the M203 was adopted in 1969 so slightly earlier. I think they were very limited in 69 though, it would be another year or two before they started being widespread. However the film is set in 1973 so there is no anachronism with either though. I'm not sure, but i think the 30 rounders were mainly used with the carbines, so still having the 20 rounders in 1973 on M16s as seen here would probably be more common. On the topic of M16s, did anybody manage to keep track of what was going on with the SP1s/M16A1s? I couldn't decide if they were a random mix and everybody kept their own, or if they were randomly switching throughout the film. I know that Hiddleston's character used both, but I think he had an SP1 before they got on the boat and an A1 after so it may have been meant to be a different gun rather than a continuity error, but I doubt it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:34, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

I'm actually glad they didn't use any CAR-15s on the fact that most likely they'll get it wrong and throw an M733 into this [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:40, 16 March 2017 (EDT)

On the topic of the M16, it seems the page doesn't have ''any'' M16A1 shots. All the ones under the A1 entry are SP1s.
[[File:KSI 17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Three-prong flash hider and no receiver fencing. The shot of Conrad kneeling is from the same sequence, so probably the same rifle.]]
[[File:KSI 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|No fencing around the mag release.]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:26, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

== .50 ==

I call bullshit on Kong surviving barrages from a .50 cal, I get godzilla, he has scales and those are magnified what 100 times from like a gator, but Kong is just a huge ape, he has no protection, I hope they do something like Helos and planes can't fly on the island due to magnetic fields or some other cop out,so that Kong goes against only the main characters, that would be realistic,but a whole carrier a 60-70's era military would kill Kong in a few seconds.
:Well, to be fair, the shot shows no indications that Kong is the one they are firing the .50 cal at. The trailer showed a giant spider like creature, and I do not doubt we'll see some of Skull Island's more notorious creatures. -[[User:1morey]] August 18, 2016 4:20 PM (EST)

We saw how the original Kong got killed from machine gun bullets from bi-planes and those were smaller caliber than the .50 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:08, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
:Granted, this Kong is MUCH bigger than Peter Jackson's Kong, about Godzilla size. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 01:39, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
::Cross your fingers for a Godzilla vs King Kong made by Legendary Pictures crossed with Pacific Rim [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:54, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
:::Well, they already have Godzilla 2 (With Rodan, Ghidorah, and Mothra scheduled for 2018) and Godzilla vs. Kong for 2020. I think Pacific Rim should be its own thing, didn't really care for it. -[[User:1morey]] August 20, 2016 8:37 AM (EST)

:I just saw this movie and I have no idea where the .50 came from. They literally pulled it out of their ass for that scene. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:36, 13 March 2017 (EDT)
::I'm glad you said that, I though I had just missed it somehow. I character just screams "set up the 50" and it is suddenly there. And to answer the initial concern, it isn't Kong they are shooting at but a skullcrawler, however it is only one of the small ones so that makes even less sense that it is totally ineffective (especially considering that its skin is thin enough that a camera flash shines through). That was one of my gripes with the movie, that bullets had basically zero effect on any of the creatures yet that is pretty much all they did in any of the fights. It especially annoyed me that the soldiers were carrying at lest two grenade launchers (and a very obvious full bandolier of grenades) but they were never used in the film, despite being probably the only weapon they were carrying that would realistically do anything. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:46, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
::Captain Cole had the M79 and didn't use it once and the flamethrower guy also kinda came out of no where because I don't remember seeing him walk with Sam Jackson's group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:16, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
:::You could actually see the flamethrower guy earlier in the film, part of the problem though is that they were really bad at establishing how many people there were with Jackson's group, it seemed to fluctuate wildly depending on the plot with people seeming to show up for the first time just to get killed. If we are talking about thing magically appearing, I feel I should mention the helicopters. There was a very clear establishing shot of the freighter which showed it had a Chinook on the bow, a Sea Stallion on the stern and then (I think)) five Hueys talking up the whole of the deck. However, a few seconds later there were somehow 10+ Hueys in the air, and then at the end of the film 3 more showed up. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:02, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
::I think there were more helicopters inside the ship. I saw some kind of hanger to the rear of the ship where the Sea Stallion took off from. But yeah, there were more Heuys than the ship could clearly carry on deck. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:16, 15 March 2017 (EDT)
:::I missed the hanger but just looked on Youtube and it is actually in one of the trailers, and it holds 2 unarmed medevac Hueys. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:57, 15 March 2017 (EDT)
::::So they were hiding a 3rd one somewhere for the end?[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:39, 16 March 2017 (EDT)
:::::I also find it hilarious that both Marlow and Gunpei couldn't hit shit with their handguns at the ranges. It was funny kinda cartoony standoff they had, also kinda odd that Gunpei has a C96 instead of any of the typical Japanese pistol, but not entirely impossible. Officers in the Japanese military were encouraged to purchase their own personal handgun and a lot did because they recognize how inadequate the standard issued sidearms are. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:09, 20 March 2017 (EDT)

It's also never clear where exactly is Skull Island, so it's impossible to tell if any US battle groups were engaging the Japanese fleet and this late in the war, yeah...unlikely since by this time, pretty much all of the Japanese's carrier groups were destroyed, most at Midway. So this is very unlikely that either fighters could have made it to Skull Island, let along get pass the eternal storm that no one seems to know about. It's like they borrowed the island from the Tomb Raider remake game but made it into Skull Island. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:09, 20 March 2017 (EDT)

Also funny how a flare gun had some kind of explosive effect on the side of the big skull crawler. Makes me wonder what'll happen if they used the grenade launchers [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:18, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

::While we're on the subject of bullshit in this movie, what about that P-51 somehow magically ending up on Skull Island? Should've been a Hellcat, and in any case, the odds of such a fight happening in 1944 seem pretty slim to me. --[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 22:19, 19 March 2017 (EDT)
:::Some P-51 units did serve in the Pacific, though I'm unsure of when or where exactly.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 14:41, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
:::Which goes back to my question of where is Skull Island in relations to the Pacific War? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:07, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
::::The P-51 is a land based fighter, though, so if one crashed on Skull Island during a dogfight, then it would've had to have been within reach the plane's legs, especially when you realize it would've been using extra fuel fighting the Zero and fighting through the hurricane constantly around the island. The island can't actually be ''that'' far away if a land based fighter was able to reach it. Also, Zeros are carrier-based, so it seems odd to me an Axis carrier-based fighter is fighting an Allied land based fighter in 1944. I think this is more a matter of critical research failure, though; it should absolutely have been a Hellcat off a carrier.
::::Also, while we're on the subject, does it seem I dunno, just ''stupid'' how the Skull Crawlers' skin can resist a .50 machine gun burst but a katana can part it like butter?--[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 20:08, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
:::::P-51s were used in the Pacific flying from Iwo Jima, mainly flying to mainland Japan escorting B-29s. The first Mustangs were on Iwo Jima in March 1945, and I think this is the first time they were used in the Pacific so if that opening scene was in 1944 (I can't remember) then it is incorrect. Also, although Zeros where carrier planes there weren't that many carriers left after Midway, so most of the Zeros were flying from ground bases. As for the range of a Mustang, with tanks they can fly for 1500 miles, so draw a 750 mile circle around any island with a runway that the US captured and Skull Island should logically be in there somewhere. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:15, 21 March 2017 (EDT)

I will forget rag on the fact that monster movies or really any movie completely underestimate the power of the Ma Deuce. I think Rambo is one of the only time that shows us how destructive a .50 cal is. Also I am not letting go of the fact that they hid a .50 cal that needed to be "set up"...who the fuck was carrying it? The thing weighs like 80 lbs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2017 (EDT)

:I looked through some of the trailers and B roll footage that they released, and you actually see it a couple of times, but you wouldn;t really know it and it is still totally unrealistic that somebody would be able to carry it like this. If you look at this bit of the B-roll footage, the character in the background has a canvas bag that you can just see the spade grips sticking out of:[[ File:Kong B roll 0001.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]]You can also see this bag earlier in the film when the two groups meet back up, but at this point it looks more like an empty sack that is not actually holding anything. There are many shots that are meant to show the whole group that he isn't in though, he comes and goes like a few other cannon fodder soldiers. Nobody else seems to be carrying any of the parts though (somebody else can be seen with 2 ammo cans) so must still be carrying the receiver, barrel and tripod, so it is 128 lbs. Even if we imagine that he could somehow carry it or they are sharing the weight, the M2HB actually takes a few minuted to put together as in this incarnation the barrel isn't quick change and needs to be head-spaced before it can be fired. By this point, they should have already been eaten, not that it really matters because as you say the machine gun doesn't actually do anything anyway. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:41, 21 March 2017 (EDT)

It annoys me a great deal when people just bust out an M2, the thing is a monster, carrying any part of it sucks. Been there, done that. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] ([[User talk:Thursday|talk]])
== Please help ID ==

Please help ID this flare gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 01:58, 8 March 2017 (EST)
[[File:KSI 515.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
: It looks like a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Type10Safety.jpg Type 10 japanese one]--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 08:48, 8 March 2017 (EST)

:: I really doubt that a Hollywood prop company could get their hands on a fairly rare Type 10 Japanese flare gun, and while this looks close to it, it isn't. The finish is too dark and too nice looking for a fairly rare flare gun, combo that with the evident lanyard loop, different grip angle and much larger trigger guard, it looks to be an Orion Flare Gun that's being made to look like a period flare gun by being painted black.- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 13:54, 8 March 2017 (EST)

Yeah, that curved grip definitely makes me think Orion.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 19:52, 8 March 2017 (EST)H3nry8adger1982

Looks like a Webley & Scott No. 4 Mk. 1 to me. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 10:54, 9 March 2017 (EST)

Here is a production image. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 13:18, 9 March 2017 (EST)
[[File:KSIBTS 04.jpg|thumb|none|800px]]

Yep, it's a 25mm Orion, painted black. Might be to masquerade it as a WWII-era M8 Flare gun. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 20:21, 9 March 2017 (EST)

:I don't really know why they did that, as another character uses a real M8 at another point in the film. Maybe they didn't like how it looked in her hand so chose a smaller gun, or perhaps it is because she is firing it towards the camera and they wanted something of a smaller calibre that they could control more easily. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:54, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

== Mauser C96 ==

Does anybody know what that grooved bit on the front of the box magazine is? The Mauser C96 used by Harrison Ford in Star Wars has one like it (painted black however). - [[user:1morey]] November 8, 2017 11:38 AM (EST)

== Browning M2 Aircraft ==

The page says that the ball turret and these guns were apparently salvaged from a B-17. However, Marlow specifically says that he and Ikari began building the boat from parts of their aircraft, a P-51 and Zero, a B-29 that crashed on the beach. Obviously the ball turret can't come from the fighters and the B-29 only had remote control turrets and a tail gunner, not the ball turret seen in the movie. Are we just assuming that the ball turret came from a B-17? The B-24, which used the same turret, was the predominant heavy bomber in the Pacific so if the turret was scrounged from an aircraft other than the three Marlow mentions, it is more like to have come from a Liberator than a B-17. Since Marlow only mentions those three aircraft, though, I'd say this was a goof.

Talk:The Dark Knight Rises

2014-05-09T20:42:16Z

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==EMP Weapon==

[[File:DKR-Weapon-1.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Batman wields an EMP (electromagnetic pulse) weapon during Bane's escape from the Stock Exchange.]]
:I don't know if this would be worthy of inclusion or not. But the prop company for the film actually based this weapon on [http://www.deltaveng.com/portable-coilgun/darkknight Delta-V Engineering's CG-33 portable 1.24kJ coilgun.]

== Images from the film's prologue... ==

Are they legal or from an officially released source relating to the movie or to the studios? Cause if they aren't (they look like they were captured from a camera inside a movie theater), then they should be taken down right away. The last thing we need is the studio lawyers coming after us for illegal, bootlegged images from an unreleased movie. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 20:41, 31 January 2012 (CST)

How is it that this page may have Potential Spoilers? Has any real info even been released on the script?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 11:18, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:Because whoever put up those bootlegged images were potentially giving away a major plot spoiler as to what's going to happen in the beginning of the movie. Not to mention putting us at risk from getting negative attention from the studio lawyers. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 13:02, 2 February 2012 (CST)

== Catwoman's pistol ==

In a [http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/total-batman-004.jpg TotalFilm article] Catwoman ([[Anne Hathaway]]) can be seen with a [[CZ_75#CZ_75_.22Pre-B.22CZ-75|CZ 75 "Pre B"]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:53, 11 May 2012 (CDT)

== New TV spot ==

In the new TV spot titled "Ouch"...if you look carefully and pause at 0:19 as Catwoman fights a bad guy, she disarms him of a suppressed pistol.

[[File:catwomanandguns.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
It looks like she disarms him of a suppressed Glock 17 while holding a [[CZ_75#CZ_75_.22Pre-B.22CZ-75|CZ 75 "Pre B"]] herself. --[[User:Thejoker|Thejoker]]
I think the Glock looks more like a compact 19 than the full size 17. --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]]

== Selina Kyle and the SIG-Sauer P226 ==

I dont recall seeing Selina handling a SIG-P226 during the movie, even though there is a publicity still of her doing so. Though as I've only seen it once yet I cant be sure. --[[User:Thejoker|Thejoker]].

I just saw it again last night and it's possible it might have been in the bar scene, but I honestly can't say for sure. The action moves pretty fast to catch all the guns without being able to pause. Could have sworn I saw a guy with a Beretta PX4 Storm in the bar scene though.EDIT: Never mind, it was the Cougar actually. Someone else had caught it as well [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 14:55, 29 July 2012 (CDT)

== Downgrade in SWAT weaponry ==

I just feel a little disappointed for the downgrade of Gotham City's SWAT weaponry, going from G36s and UMPs (Begins) to M16s, M4s and MP5s (Dark Knight) to all MP5s (Rises).

Isn’t MP5s a little obsolete, especially when real life SWAT teams faded it out for the more powerful M4s, even when encountering heavily armed adversaries? [[User:Dangerman1973|Dangerman1973]] 17:41, 4 August 2012 (CDT)

It's seen a lot in movies and even today, a lot of police department still use the MP5. The AR platform has really come to its own in the passed years. If you pay attention in the movie, there were quite a few G36Cs, used by both the mercs and the SWAT teams. That one guy picked on up at the end and fired it semi instead of full, which is rare [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:38, 4 August 2012 (CDT)

I just found the charging at the end of the movie to be a bit weird. At first, from the trailers, I thought everyone just ran out of ammo or had no guns and decided to go at it, but everyone had a gun and they just charged at each other like that? That is against all forms of modern tactics. Now it's really cool and you get into it, but during the initial charge, a lot of the guys in front were getting mowed down by one guy with a rifle before getting overrun and then it just broke down to hand to hand combat [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:41, 4 August 2012 (CDT)
:Actually a lot of officers were only holding their batons during the final assault, only some uniform officers in the front row had their sidearms while some SWAT officers had their primary weapons. During the charge, the officers with weapons were charging while firing their weapons, unfortunately we didn't see any mercenaries/thugs getting taken out on screen (though in my mind I would like to believe so...). In any case, it's nice to see that GCPD had evolved from a totally corrupt force to stepping up and defending Gotham.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 03:00, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
::That does bring up the question of WHY the officers were only holding their batons though. I mean, I assume they all went into the sewers with at LEAST a sidearm and a couple of magazines, did they just pass the time down there plinking at garbage and run out of ammo or what? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 07:20, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
:::Maybe Bane's men demanded that they hand over their weapons in exchange for the food and water? So they were only able to keep a few for themselves.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 12:39, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
::::Unless I missed something, Bane's men weren't feeding them, food was being smuggled to them. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 18:12, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
:::::Bane's men were feeding the cops, it was just messages that were being smuggled in. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 09:50, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

Going back to this, there is still no logic behind the cop's massive charge against a bunch of heavily armed men. Let's say all the cops had whatever they brought with them down the sewers when they got trapped, average cop has handgun and 2 mags and maybe a backup. SWAT would be all decked out and let's say for the sake of it, they each brought enough ammo for war. Did suddenly all the cops forgot about taking cover? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:51, 4 December 2012 (EST)

==Screencapping==

So which of us is planning on doing the screen captures? I'd like to do it, but I know Ben41 is also planning on doing so. Anyone other users interested? --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 23:09, 3 December 2012 (EST)

I'll watch the movie again, but I don't have blu ray, which is what this page deserves. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:51, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Aspect ratio ==

I noticed that there are two different aspect ratios for the screenshots, is it the case that it switches from 2.39:1 to 16:9 for the scenes that were shot in IMAX? If so, does anyone know if it did this for the non IMAX theatrical release? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:35, 5 December 2012 (EST)
:No it didn't. I saw it at a non-IMAX cinema and it had a constant aspect ratio throughout the film. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 08:39, 5 December 2012 (EST)
::That's how I remembered it, but wasn't sure. If not, that means they were cropping out a hell of a lot of the image for the IMAX scenes. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:38, 5 December 2012 (EST)
:::I would leave them as is to be honest because it won't be as simple as taking the top and bottom off to fit the 2.35:1 ratio as I'm sure that they would have re-positioned the image in post for standard theatrical release. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 12:38, 5 December 2012 (EST)
::::I wasn't suggesting we changed them, just wanted to verify that it was the case that the 16:9 parts were due to the IMAX scenes and not due to different sources. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:02, 5 December 2012 (EST)
:::::Ah right, I thought you were talking about cropping them to 2.35:1 when you mentioned the cropping out a hell of a lot for the images but I realise you were talking about the film makers. I don't get why they didn't just shoot the whole film is 1.85:1 to be honest if they are going to keep the full IMAX ratio for the IMAX camera shot scenes. It would make a lot more sense to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 07:38, 6 December 2012 (EST)
Well, the DVD releases and the digital copy releases were all in a constant 2:35:1 aspect ratio. The only exceptions are the Blu Ray copies, which retained the 16:9 aspect ratio of the IMAX scenes. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99|talk]]) 21:28, 5 December 2012 (EST)
:::::I had put the disclaimer about the varying aspect ratio in the description already. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 21:31, 5 December 2012 (EST)

== Suggested image additions ==

Some images that should be added:
* Bane disarming one of the lobby security guards at the Stock Exchange as the guard tries to draw a Glock pistol.
* Blake's killing of the two construction workers with his sidearm.
* Maybe a couple additional images of the different guns used in the bar and alleyway shootout

Just suggestions. [[User:DReifGalaxyM32|DReifGalaxyM32]] ([[User talk:DReifGalaxyM32|talk]]) 17:36, 8 December 2012 (EST)

==Unknown==
[[Image:TDKR-rifles.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Scoped rifles used by GCPD SWAT officers in watchtower.]]

== Armoured vehicles on the bridge? ==

There are a number of armoured vehicles on the bridge when the army blockades it, and a couple look like self-propelled guns rather than any sort of appropriate vehicle. Can anyone identify them?--[[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] ([[User talk:Awmperry|talk]]) 06:21, 31 December 2012 (EST)
:Not seen it in a little while so way be wrong, but seem to remember they were actually old British FV433 Abbot SPGs (L13A1 105mm gun), so they are inappropriate both in terms of role and origin. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:27, 31 December 2012 (EST)
::The FV433 is a common movie stand-in for the M109 Paladin. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:03, 3 January 2013 (EST)

== About the Stock Exchange hostage scene ==

It's amazing the actors and crew didn't use blanks especially in a crowded scene. Just a bunch of sparks and some motion of the hands. [[User:Dangerman1973|Dangerman1973]] ([[User talk:Dangerman1973|talk]]) 10:19, 6 January 2013 (EST)
:Because a scene like that is too dangerous to do with blanks. Flashpaper, digital muzzle flashes and other tricks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 11:04, 6 January 2013 (EST)
::Post production could have at least ''added some digital muzzle flashes'', though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:44, 23 June 2013 (EDT)

== Anyone disappointed with the ending of the Nolan franchise? ==
Not the quality of TDKR, I mean, but the fact that Nolan-era Batman's story is over? I'll admit it's hard to follow a villain like Bane that was ''better'' than Batman in every way, but I would have liked to see one more film in the franchise. Nolan achieved in erasing Michelle Pfeifer's Catwoman and Robert Swenson's Bane from my memory, but I would have much loved if he could have done the same with Jim Carrey's Riddler and Uma Thurman's Poison Ivy. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:54, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
:I don't know if Poison Ivy would've been doable (hehe) in the Nolan-verse. And years ago I read an article on how realistic a character Batman is, and the article noted that while it's possible for someone to pick up all the skills and do what Batman does, he couldn't have done it for long, as it takes a physical toll on the body, which the Nolan movies did touch on. (The article, which I can't find now, compared Batman to an NFL running back, who have an average career length of 2.57 years compared to the NFLPA.) So that's the downside of having a realistic Batman, he won't be around for long. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:50, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
::I think Poison Ivy could be done believably, as long as her toxins are treated as biological weapons that induce plant-like mutations in people instead of giving her unnatural powers that allow her to control flora (but obviously villains like Killer Croc, Man-Bat, and Scarface are out of the question, yeah). I definitely liked how Nolan touched on what kind of toll that kind of life would take on a person, though. I also appreciated the new dimension he gave Alfred as a human being concerned for the well-being of someone who's basically his adopted son, rather than the almost blindly loyal robot servant who never speaks out like he's always portrayed as. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 16:02, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
:::That's actually what bothered me the most about the ending of DKR. (Spoilers ahead) First we see Alfred, totally distraught after losing his (basically) adopted son and losing the last link to the family he served and loved, and with the final reveal that Bruce IS alive, happy, and settled down, just as Alfred had always hoped, all he does is tip his glass? I would've knocked over the table rushing over to him. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:23, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
::::Maybe, but the scene was supposed to be a nod to an earlier statement Alfred said about wishing that Bruce did do that during the years he went mission in Asia. Of course there's a lot of plot holes about DKR that is stupid but they don't ruin the experience of the movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:51, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::I know, but that was when Bruce was still traveling the world and Alfred assumed he was still alive. At the end of DKR, he knew Bruce was dead. Now, leaving the theater, my first thought, after "wow," was whether or not Bruce was actually alive in the end or if it was just Alfred's fantasy. After all, if Bruce was going to fake his death, how could he NOT tell Alfred, his surrogate father and best friend? That, or he did fake his death, he did tell Alfred, and Alfred, which in the comics had a background as an actor, put on a good show at the funeral/memorial. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:41, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
::::::The fixed autopilot in the Bat and the fact that Bruce had Selina Kyle with him in the ending is enough for me to believe it's real. After all, why would Alfred fantasize about Bruce with some random temp doing maid work in the house? Nothing in either of the previous films implied he had any habit of messing around with the help. And on top of that, he was in love with Rachel during both those films. The only thing I can't really make my mind up on is whether he and Bruce planned the faked death or not because Alfred's heartbreak during the funeral looked every bit real to me. I've seen people cry in real life that looked faker than Caine's performance in that scene. But at the same time, it's hard to fathom the two of them randomly ending up in the same place at the same time on this huge planet with Bruce just happening to turn and look over his shoulder to see Alfred at that very moment. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 11:58, 3 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::::You're right, if it was just a fantasy, it would've been Rachel sitting with Bruce. Oh well. And hey, if I was a reclusive billionaire and the help looked like Anne Hathaway... --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:21, 3 July 2013 (EDT)
::::::::...you'd probably get sued for sexual harassment. :P [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:56, 21 January 2014 (EST)