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Talk:Bright (2017)

2018-01-10T20:41:40Z

Stickie: /* The Glocks */ new section

==store owner revolver==
A store owner brandishes what appear to be either a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] with a 6" barrel or a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] with a 6" barrel. Later used by [[Will Smith]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 18:07, 23 December 2017 (EST)

== The M11/9 ==

Doesn't the shot where he empties them into the ceiling actually reveal that they're stock original MAC-10's with the stocks removed? The receiver is half of the size of the Cobray and is probably a lot easier to get full-auto versions of. --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 02:47, 29 December 2017 (EST)

== Please ID ==

[[File:Bright-rifle-1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|An AR-15 variant is seen in the Shield of Light's safehouse.]]
[[File:Bright-rifle-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Serafin ([[Alex Meraz]]) fires an AR-15 variant from his car.]]

== The Glocks ==

I don't think that the Glocks carried by Will Smith and Joel Edgarton are 17s - in the slow motion scene where Smith shoots at his corrupt colleagues, we see a clear shot of a bottle-necked bullet casing spinning past his face. It's very likely CGI, rather than a real casing that came from the pistol, and I am by no means enough of an expert to identify such a casing on sight, but wouldn't this indicate the filmmaker's intent was to show the Glocks as chambered in .357 SIG?
If the real, physical pistols that were carried on set were 9mm (and I agree they probably were), which do we go with? Assume that they're 17s based on what's more likely and list them as such, or take that shell casing into account and list them as 31s?

[[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 15:41, 10 January 2018 (EST)

Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom

2017-11-05T02:16:25Z

Stickie: /* H&K MP5K */ Previous image was an SP89, not an MP5K

[[Image:Phantom-Requiem-for-the-Phantom-Cover.jpg|thumb|right|400px|''Requiem for the Phantom'' (2009)]]

{{Anime Title|Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom}}

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= Pistols =

== AMC Auto Mag Pistol ==
Ein uses a [[AMC Auto Mag Pistol|AMC Auto Mag]] once in a while.

[[Image:Automag.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMC Auto Mag Pistol .44 - .44 AMP (Auto Magnum Pistol)]]
[[File:Ph 3 (4).jpg|thumb|none|700px|The Scythe Master assembles Ein's Automag pistol. (Ep.3)]]
[[Image:-848x480--13-53-02-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Ein aims her AutoMag at an assassin. (Ep.10)]]
[[Image:C65ef3001649982a1c958353.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The Scythe Master gives Ein her Automag. (Ep.10)]]
[[File:Ph 10 (274).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein examine's her AutoMag to find out it is jammed. (Ep.10)]]

== AMT Backup II ==
Cal uses a [[AMT Backup]] when training.
[[Image:AMT_BackupRight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Backup II]]
[[File:Ph 12 (32).jpg|thumb|none|700px|An intermission picture of Cal and her AMT Backup, although it is poorly rendered]]
[[File:Ph 14 AMT (5).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A FPS view of Cal's AMT Backup. (Ep.14)]]
[[File:Ph 14 AMT (14).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei showing Cal how to aim her AMT. (Ep.14)]]
[[File:Ph 14 AMT (42).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Cal reloads her AMT. (Ep.14)]]
[[Image:-Phan.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Cal firing her AMT Backup. (Ep.14)]]
[[File:Ph 16 AMT.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Cal's disassembled AMT. (Ep.16)]]
[[Image:--13-36-52-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|The last shot we get of Cal's AMT. (Ep.17)]]

== AMT Hardballer ==
Lizzie uses a [[M1911#AMT Hardballer|AMT Hardballer]] as her main weapon.
[[Image:Hardballer_Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide - .45 ACP.]]
[[File:Ph 5 AMT (8).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lizzie with her HardBaller. (Ep.5)]]
[[File:Ph 8 HB (2).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lizzie takes cover with her Hardballer. (Ep.8)]]
[[File:Ph 8 HB (18).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Close-up on Lizzie's Hardballer. (Ep.8)]]
[[File:Ph 10 HardBall (13).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lizzie with her Hardballer as she works with Zwei. (Ep.10)]]
[[File:Ph 21 HardB (7).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lizzie aims her HardBaller at Drei. (Ep.23)]]
[[File:Ph 23 Gallery (9).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A Hardballer among other weapons when Lizzie chooses her preferred gun in a flashback. (Ep.23)]]
[[File:Ph 21 HardB (30).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lizzie's blood-stained Hardballer on a table. (Ep.23)]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is Zwei's preferred handgun.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Ph 1 (1).jpg|thumb|none|700px|The Beretta 92 in the opening picture for the series. (Ep.1)]]
[[Image:PR-Guns-2.jpg|thumb|none|700px|A Beretta 92FS can be seen between the M1911A1 and revolver. (Ep.3)]]
[[Image:PR-92FS.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lt. Wallace slides over his Beretta 92FS to surrender to Zwei. (Ep.3)]]
[[Image:PR-92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei cocks his Beretta 92FS. (Ep.4)]]
[[File:Ph 10 M9 (11).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei's unloads his Beretta to leave one bullet in, claiming it is enough to finish his job. (Ep.10)]]
[[File:Ph 10 M9 (51).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei's empty Beretta 92FS washed up on a beach. (Ep.10)]]
[[Image:--13-42-43-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Zwei's disassembled Beretta 92FS. (Ep.16)]]
[[File:Ph 17 B93 (32).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei takes cover with his Beretta 92FS. (Ep.17)]]

== Beretta 93R ==
A [[Beretta 93R]] can be seen at some points in the series. Notable users are Daisuke Godo of the Godo clan and Drei.
[[Image:Beretta93-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Beretta 93R - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:PR-Guns-2.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The 93R can be seen far left. (Ep.3)]]
[[Image:Ph 15 93 (6).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Daisuke place his 93R in his white suit. (Ep.15)]]
[[Image:Ph 17 B93 (10).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Daisuke aims his Beretta 93R at Zwei. (Ep.17)]]
[[Image:Ph 17 B93 (30).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Daisuke fires his Beretta 93R at a phantom sniper. (Ep.17)]]
[[Image:--13-44-29-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Drei dual-wields Beretta 93Rs to shoot up the Chinese Mafia. (Ep.21)]]
[[Image:Ph 21 B93 (24).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Drei fires her Beretta 93R. (Ep.21)]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Drei uses several [[Browning Hi-Power]] in a hit against the Chinese Mafia.
[[Image:HiPowerMk3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning Hi-Power Mark III - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Ph 21 Drei (79).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Drei dual-wields her Hi-Powers in her mission. (Ep.21)]]
[[File:Ph 21 Drei (45).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Drei draws her Hi-Power in a Western-style face off. (Ep.21)]]
[[File:Ph 21 DREI (25).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Drei murders her target with her Hi-Power. (Ep.21)]]

==Detonics CombatMaster==
Zwei uses a [[Detonics CombatMaster]] in a hit on a mob boss.
[[Image:Detonicscombat-master.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detonics CombatMaster - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Ph 6 Detonic (4).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei examines his Detonics before starting the hit. (Ep.6) ]]

== M1911A1 ==
Zwei uses a Colt [[M1911A1]] when training. Shiga Tooru of the Godo Clan also use the M1911.
[[Image:Colt1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Ph 2 1911 (1).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A intermission picture of Zwei with his M1911A1. ]]
[[File:Ph 2 (38).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei's M1911A1 next to Ein's Python. (Ep.2) ]]
[[File:Ph 2 1911 (12).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei shooting his M1911A1, note that he is using his other finger on the trigger guard to control the recoil. (Ep.2) ]]
[[Image:PR-M1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein aims Zwei's M1911A1 at him for not cooperating with Inferno once again. Since Zwei doesn't carry his 1911 in "Condition One," the hammer is not cocked, therefore it shouldn't be threatening at all. (Ep.3)]]
[[File:Ph 3 (94).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei drops his M1911A1. (Ep.3)]]
[[File:Ph 16 1911 (9).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Shiga threatens Lizzie with his M1911. (Ep.16) ]]

== Glock 17 ==
Ein pulls a [[Glock 17]] on Zwei when he shows doubt in cooperating with Inferno. Various mob bodyguards also use the Glock.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|450px|2nd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Ph 2 Glock (1).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein pulls a Glock on Zwei. (Ep.2)]]
[[Image:Ph 2 Glock (4).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei is threatened by a Glock 17. (Ep.2)]]
[[Image:Ph 4 (16).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A Mob leader bodyguard pulls out a Glock 17 to combat the Phantoms. (Ep.4)]]
[[File:Ph 9 (33).jpg|thumb|none|700px|An Inferno member tracks Ein down with his Glock 17. (Ep.9)]]
[[File:Ph 10 Glock (5).jpg|thumb|none|700px|An Inferno member on the right with a Glock 17. (Ep.10)]]
[[File:Ph 15 Glocks (1).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A box of Glocks for Godo's bodyguards. (Ep.15)]]
[[File:Ph 15 Glocks (10).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Godo's bodyguards pull out Glock 17s at the Infero executives. (Ep.15)]]
[[File:Ph 16 Glock.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Close-up on Godo's bodyguards Glock 17s, from here its visible that it is a 2nd Gen model. (Ep.16)]]
[[File:Ph 25 Glock (2).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A Godo Clan member readies his Glock in a mission. (Ep.25)]]

== Heckler & Koch Mark 23 ==
Ein uses a [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23|H&K Mark 23]] with a LAM module and threaded barrel in some missions.
[[Image:Mk23.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch Mark 23 Mod 0 - .45 ACP.]]
[[File:Ph 8 (65).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein fires her suppressed Mark 23. (Ep.8)]]
[[File:Ph 8 (78).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein shoots her suppressed Mark 23, note the LAM module attachment. (Ep.8)]]
[[Image:1212.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein's Mark 23 with a LAM on it. (Ep.9) ]]
[[File:Ph 9 (38).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein drops her Mark 23 LAM. (Ep.9)]]

== Heckler & Koch USP Expert ==
Zwei and Ein uses the [[Heckler & Koch USP Expert|H&K USP Expert]] with threaded barrel on their missions.
[[Image:HK-USP expert.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch USP Expert - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Ph 1 (24).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei with his USP Expert with suppressor attached. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 1 (46).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein readies her USP Expert. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 1 (47).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein flicks the safety off of her USP Expert. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 1 (59).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein shoots at Zwei in midair with the USP. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 1 USP (36).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei kills a guard with his USP Exp without glancing. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 5 (98).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei aims his USP Exp at his target. (Ep.5)]]
[[File:Ph 5 (99).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Close-up on Zwei's USP Exp. (Ep.5)]]
[[File:Ph 8 (92).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei pulls out his suppressed USP Exp when he enters a suspicious room. (Ep.8)]]

== SIG-Sauer P226 ==
Zwei uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] occasionally as an alternative to his Beretta 92FS. It was meant to be for his training partner, Cal, due to its smaller build compared to his Beretta
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:763d0b3c48d6afc23c6d9753.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lizzie hands Zwei a P226, saying although it has the same magazine count as his 92FS, it has a smaller build for Cal. (Ep.14)]]
[[File:Ph 14 SIG (13).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei uses the P226 while protecting the Godo Clan representatives. (Ep.14)]]
[[File:Ph 14 SIG (21).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei aims his P226 at an assassin. (Ep.14)]]
[[File:Ph 20 SIG.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei's P226 in a drawer. (Ep.20)]]
[[File:Ph 25 SIG (7).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei draws his P226 in a western face-off against Drei. (Ep.25)]]
[[File:Ph 25 SIG (14).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei aims his P226 at Drei. (Ep.25)]]

== SIG Pro SP 2340 ==
In a test trial, Ex-Navy Seals Lt. Wallace takes a [[SIG Pro#SP 2340|SIG Pro SP 2340]] as his defense weapon.
[[File:Pro 2340.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG Pro SP 2340 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:PR-Guns.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The Sig Pro among weapons on a shelf. It is in the middle. (Ep.3)]]
[[Image:PR-SIG2340.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lt. Wallace aims at Zwei with his SIG Pro. (Ep.3)]]
[[Image:PR-SIGP220.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lt. Wallace gives us a good look at the SIG Pro barrel. (Ep.3)]]
[[Image:Ph 3 (102).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lt. Wallace gloats over Zwei with his SIG Pro. (Ep.3)]]
[[Image:Ph 3 (107).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Lt. Wallace dropped SIG Pro. We can see the grip area of the SIG here clearly. (Ep.3)]]

==LAR Grizzly Pistol==
In one scene, Ein and Zwei practice with CQC with a [[LAR Grizzly Pistol|LAR Grizzly pistol]].
[[Image:3ecb78674deb2746bd03dd71b60ca782.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LAR Grizzly Pistol - .45 Win Mag]]
[[File:Ph 5 LAR (10).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A LAR on a table. (Ep.5)]]
[[File:Ph 5 LAR (16).jpg|thumb|none|700px|The LAR is kicked into the air by Ein. (Ep.5)]]
[[File:Ph OP2.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The phantom on the bottom left has a LAR pistol. (OP #2)]]

== Desert Eagle Mark XIX ==
A chromed [[Desert Eagle Mark XIX]] can be seen among a collection of weapons on a shelf.
[[Image:DesertEagle50AE.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Desert Eagle Mark XIX with brushed chrome finish - .50 AE]]
[[Image:PR-Guns.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The Desert Eagle can be seen on the right of the SIG pistol. (Ep.3)]]
[[Image:Ph OP2.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The phantom on the bottom left has a Desert Eagle. (OP #2)]]

==Luger P08==
The Scythe Master has a [[Luger P08]] with him.

[[Image:Luger.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Ph OP2.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The phantom on the top left has a Luger. (OP #2)]]
[[File:Ph 26 Luger.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The Scythe Master shows his Luger P08, then discards it to show he surrenders. (Ep.26)]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 39 ==
A mob member under Tony, Anton, uses a [[Smith & Wesson 39|S&W 39]] as his main sidearm.
[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-39-2Side.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson Model 39 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Ph 5 (4).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Anton threatens a Inferno messenger with his S&W M39. (Ep.5)]]
[[File:Ph 6 (73).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Anton gives Officer Gant his S&W M39 to show he is out of the business. (Ep.6)]]
[[File:Ph 10 (77).jpg|700px|thumb|none|An Inferno member gets shot while holding his Model 39. (Ep.10)]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 59 ==
Drei's signature weapon is a [[Smith & Wesson 59|S&W 59]].
[[Image:Smith & Wesson 59.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson Model 59 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Ph Inter Drei.jpg|thumb|none|700px|An intermission image showing Drei and her signature sidearm, the S&W M59.]]
[[File:Ph 23 S59 (1).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Drei points her Model 59 at Mio. (Ch.23)]]
[[File:Ph 23 S59 (21).jpg|thumb|none|700px|"Reiji was the one who taught me how to use this." (Ch.23)]]
[[File:Ph 25 S59 (6).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Drei draws her Model 59 in a western face-off with Zwei. (Ch.25)]]
[[File:Ph 25 S59 (22).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Drei aims her Model 59 at Zwei. (Ch.23)]]

== TT-33 ==
A [[TT-33]] can be seen among weapons on a shelf. Romero McCunnen also uses a TT-33 in a street gang fight with Isaac as well as several other mob members.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|450px|TT-33, pre-1947 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[File:PR-Guns.jpg|thumb|none|700px|A TT-33 can be seen on the far right. (Ep.3)]]
[[File:Ph 11 Tok (15).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Romero using a TT-33. This seems to be the postwar variant. (Ep.11)]]
[[File:Ph 12 (33).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A dead Godo Clan representative with his Tokarev by his side. (Ep.12)]]
[[Image:Qwqw.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Xu Jian Fa prepares to draws his TT-33 in a western style face-off with Drei. (Ep.21)]]

== Walther PPK ==
Ein and a Inferno-affiliated mob member uses a [[Walther PPK]].
[[Image:WaltherPPK.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Walther PPK - .380 ACP]]
[[File:Ph 6 PPK (4).jpg‎|thumb|none|700px|Ein fires the suppress Walther PPK. (Ep.6)]]
[[File:Ph 6 PPK (6).jpg‎|thumb|none|700px|The PPK in a mob member's hands. (Ep.6)]]

==MP-443 Grach==
The Scythe Master uses a [[Yarygin PYa#MP-443 Grach|MP-443 Grach]] in his get away.
[[File:MP433Grach.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP-443 Grach - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Ph 10 SP (1).jpg‎|thumb|none|700px|The Scythe Master opens a case with Ein's AutoMag and his MP-443. (Ep.10)]]
[[File:Ph 10 SP (8).jpg‎|thumb|none|700px|The front end of the MP-443. (Ep.10)]]
[[File:Ph 10 SP (47).jpg‎|thumb|none|700px|The Scythe Master prepares to shoot Zwei. (Ep.10)]]

=Revolvers=

== Colt Python ==
Ein uses a [[Colt Python]] as her preferred handgun, despite a selection of many modern self-loading pistols.

[[Image:Colt-Python.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Python with 4" Barrel and factory wood grips - .357 Magnum]]
[[File:Ph 2 Python (25).jpg|thumb|none|700px|An intermission picture of Ein with her Python. ]]
[[File:Ph 1 Python (5).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein with her Python in a mansion shootout. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 1 Python (25).jpg|thumb|none|700px|"We're Phantoms" *BANG*. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 2 Python (4).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A First-person view down the Python. (Ep.2)]]
[[File:Ph 2 Python (19).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein loads the Python with a speed loader. (Ep.2)]]
[[File:Ph 2 Python (21).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein shoots her Python in rapid succession. (Ep.2)]]
[[File:Ph 4 (27).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein's Python on a table. (Ep.4)]]
[[Image:13-38-45-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Ein takes up her Python again for her next mission. (Ep.17)]]
[[File:Ph 24 Python.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein's Python on a table with a couple of speedloaders and a Bowie knife. (Ep.24)]]
[[File:Ph 25 Python (1).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein fires her Python at attacking mob members. (Ep.25)]]

== Mateba 2006M ==
A Zahlen Schwestern phantom in the opening has a [[Mateba Autorevolver]].
[[Image:Mateba_2006.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mateba autorevolver Model 2006M - .357 Magnum]]
[[File:Ph OP2.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The phantom on the very bottom has a Mateba revolver.]]

==S&W Model 36==
Zwei uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36|S&W Model 36]] as a backup weapon and occasionally in hits.
[[Image:S&WModel36Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|450px|S&W Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[File:PR-Guns-2.jpg|thumb|none|700px|A Model 36 can be seen right next to the Beretta 93R. (Ep.3)]]
[[File:Ph 3 S&W.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei drops his S&W M36 after performing his first hit. (Ep.3)]]
[[File:Ph 6 (61).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei fires his S&W M36. (Ep.6)]]

==S&W Model 29==
Isaac Wisemel uses a nickel-plated [[Smith & Wesson Model 29|S&W Model 29]] back in his days in the street gang.
[[Image:S&WModel29NickelNewModel.jpg|thumb|none|450px|S&W Model 29 with nickel finish - .44 Magnum]]
[[File:Ph 11 (6).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Isaac in a shoot out with his Model 29. (Ep.11)]]
[[File:Ph 11 (4).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Isaac fires his Model 29. (Ep.11)]]

= Submachine Guns =
==Steyr SPP==
Mansion Guards in episode 1 are all equipped with [[Steyr SPP]]s. Same in episode 5. Inferno guards in Episode 8 also use SPPs as well.
[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SPP - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Ph 1 SPP (3).jpg|thumb|none|700px|The guard on the left has a SPP on him while the guard on the right probably has glocks in his dual shoulder holsters. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 1 SPP (8).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A guard fire his SPP at the Phantoms. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 1 SPP (9).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A guard with a SPP tries to call for support, but gets killed by Zwei. (Ep.1)]]
[[File:Ph 5 (35).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A guard with a SPP outside of *gasp* another mansion. (Ep.5)]]
[[File:Ph 8 HB (2).jpg|thumb|none|700px|An Inferno member in the background with a SPP. (Ep.8)]]

== H&K MP5K ==
Some Inferno members carry [[MP5K]]s when guarding a drug shipment. Sechs and Sieben of the Zahlen Schwestern also are equipped with MP5Ks.

[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|450px|H&K MP5K - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Ph 8 (34).jpg|thumb|none|700px|The guy on the left has a MP5K. (Ep.8)]]
[[File:Ph 26 MP5K (1).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Sech and Sieben guard the Scyte Master with their MP5K. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 MP5K (33).jpg|thumb|none|700px|The two Zahlen Schwestern with their MP5Ks. (Ep.26)]]

== MAC M10 ==
The Chinese and Japanese Mafia seems to be really fond of the [[MAC-10]].
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ingram MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:-45-09-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Xu Jian Fa aims his MAC-10 at a dark corridor, where Drei is suspected to come through. (Ep.21)]]
[[File:Ph 21 MAC (29).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Close-up of Xu's MAC-10. (Ep.21)]]
[[File:Ph 21 MAC (8).jpg|thumb|none|700px|The Chinese Mafia open fire at Drei with their MAC-10s. (Ep.21)]]

==IMI Uzi==
Several mob members use the [[Uzi]] throughout the series.

[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|450px|IMI UZI - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Ph 5 (58).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Mob members burst into a room with their Uzis. (Ep.5)]]
[[File:Ph 11 Uzi (38).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A mob member fires at Zwei with his Uzi. (Ep.11)]]
[[File:Ph 21 Uzi (2).jpg|thumb|none|700px|The two Inferno hit men in the middle are quipped with Uzis. (Ep.21)]]
[[File:Ph 25 Uzi (2).jpg|thumb|none|700px|the mob members in the very front has an Uzi. (Ep.25)]]
[[File:Ph 25 Uzi (19).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein acquires an Uzi and takes cover. (Ep.25)]]
[[File:Ph 25 Uzi (23).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein fires at a mob member with her Uzi. (Ep.25)]]
[[File:Ph 25 Uzi (11).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Godo Clan members fire at Ein with their Uzis. (Ep.25)]]
[[File:Ph 25 Uzi (34).jpg|thumb|none|700px|An Uzi on the right by dead mob members. (Ep.25)]]
[[File:Ph 26 Uzi (3).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein aims her Uzi at the Zahlen Schwestern. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 Uzi (11).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein fires her Uzi for suppressing fire as Zwei runs. (Ep.26)]]

= Assault Rifles =

== AN-94 ==

The Zahlen Schwestern assassins, Fünf and Neun, are equipped with [[AN-94]]s. Ein and Zwei also acquire the AN-94s to combat the other Zahlen Schwestern assassins.

[[Image:An94-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Avtomat Nikonova AN-94 - 5.45x39mm.]]
[[File:Ph 26 Abakan (3).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Fünf fires her AN-94 at Zwei. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 Abakan (9).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Neun fires her AN-94 while Fünf reloads. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 Abakan (36).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Fünf aims her AN-94 at Zwei. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 Abakan (26).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei dual-wields the captured AN-94s. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 Abakan (50).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei drops his AN-94 in the church. (Ep.26)]]

== M4A1 Carbine ==
Ein and Zwei uses the [[M4A1 Carbine]] in some of their hits.
[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 Carbine w/ 4-position stock - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Ph 6 M4 (15).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein rides with her M4 to perform a hit.. (Ep.6)]]
[[File:Ph 6 M4 (23).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein prepares to fire her M4. (Ep.6)]]
[[Image:-KTXP--Phantom -Requiem for the Phantom---12--GB--RV10--848x480--13-34-55-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Zwei takes out his M4. (Ep.12)]]
[[Image:--13-36-17-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Zwei fires his M4 in a hit. (Ep.12)]]
[[File:Ph 25 Glock (2).jpg|thumb|none|700px|The mob member on the left has a M4. (Ep.25)]]
[[File:Ph 25 M4 (9).jpg|thumb|none|700px|A mob member on the left fires his M4 at Ein. (Ep.25)]]

== H&K G36K ==
The Zahlen Schwestern assassins, Vier and Acht, are equipped with [[Heckler & Koch G36K|H&K G36K]].

[[Image:H&K-G36K.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch G36K with ZF 3x4° dual optical sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Ph 26 G36 (2).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Vier fires at Zwei with her G36K. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 G36 (9).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Vier and Acht fire at Zwei with their G36K. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 G36 (14).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Vier takes aim at Zwei with her G36K in a forest. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 G36 (23).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Acht searches the church for Zwei with her G36K. The carry handle animated here is a lot thinner than it should be. (Ep.26)]]
[[File:Ph 26 G36 (30).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Vier aims her G36K at Zwei's position in the church. (Ep.26)]]

== Steyr AUG A1 ==

Drei's primary assault weapon is a [[Steyr AUG A1]]. Zwei also keeps one in his apartment when he is Phantom, but is never shown using it until the finale.

[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG A1 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Ph 15 AUG (5).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Cal assembles Zwei's AUG rifle. (Ep.15)]]
[[Image:Ph 25 AUG (8).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Drei barges into a church, AUG in hand. (Ep.25)]]
[[Image:Ph 25 AUG (19).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Drei searches the church with her AUG. (Ep.25)]]
[[Image:Ph 25 AUG (55).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei loads the AUG, preparing for a wave of assassins to arrive. (Ep.25)]]
[[Image:Ph 26 AUG (17).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei fire his AUG at the Zahlen Schwestern. (Ep.26)]]

=Sniper Rifles =

== Blaser R93 Tactical ==
Zwei uses the [[Blaser R93 Tactical]] on a mission to protect the Inferno executives.
[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Blaser R93 LRS2 Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum.]]
[[Image:--13-40-50-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Zwei prepares to snipe a sniper with his Blaser rifle. (Ep.15)]]
[[File:Ph 15 Blaser (12).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei cycles his Blaser rifle for the following shot. Note that he has the left-handed version as the bolt is on the left side, yet is firing with his right hand. (Ep.15)]]
[[File:Ph 15 Blaser (20).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Zwei drops his Blaser Rifle. (Ep.15)]]

== Gepárd M1 Anti-materiel rifle ==
Ein uses a [[Gepard anti-materiel rifle series#Gepard M1|Gepárd M1 Anti-materiel rifle]] in a sniping mission in the city.
[[Image:GepardM1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gepárd M1 - 12.7x108mm.]]
[[Image:-13-43-16-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Ein takes aim with her Gepard rifle on a sofa. (Ep.15)]]
[[File:Ph 15 Gepard (18).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Top view of the Gepard rifle. (Ep.15)]]

== Heckler & Koch MSG90 ==
Ein uses a [[Heckler & Koch MSG90|H&K MSG90]] in an attack on Inferno's shipping yard.
[[Image:HKMSG90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MSG90 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:48x480--15-12-12-.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Ein aims her MSG90. (Ep.7)]]

==Heckler & Koch PSG-1==
Ein uses a [[PSG-1]] on some of her assignments. Randy Weber also used a PSG-1 in a sniping mission in the city.
[[Image:H&KPSG01.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch PSG-1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Ph 6 (50).jpg|thumb|none|700px|Ein shoots her target with a PSG-1. (Ep.6)]]
[[File:Vlc 2014-01-11 16-43-05-624.jpg|thumb|none|700px|A crosshair on Randy with his PSG-1. (Ep.15)]]
[[Image:D614a71eb1766126314e155c.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Randy aims with his PSG-1. (Ep.15)]]

==Remington M24==
Ein uses an [[M24 Sniper Weapon System|Remington M24]] sniper rifle with a modified stock when going on a hit. A mobster is seen using the same rifle in Episode 10.

[[Image:Remington M24.jpg|thumb|none|451px|M24 sniper rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:Ph 2 (45).jpg|600px|thumb|none|Ein with the Remmington M24. (Ep.2)]]
[[File:Ph 10 (92).jpg|600px|thumb|none|A mobster with the M24. (Ep.10)]]

=Also see=
*[[Phantom: The Animation]] - The OVA version released in 2004.

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Talk:John Wick: Chapter 2

2017-05-29T03:17:31Z

Stickie: /* The Custom AR-15 */ new section

SO MUCH YES --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 21:24, 6 October 2016 (EDT)
:I KNOW!!! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:43, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
::The hype is real!--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:44, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
:::And then there's me: I think the film looks generic.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 21:17, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
::::It really is, but it's not how original a story can be. The best thing you can do to a generic type of character is to have pretty good acting and for us here, awesome gun play and John Wick is awesome at the gun play. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:59, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
So, any special reason he's using some fancy Glock and AR-15 from a company no one has heard of? Why not give him his old P30 and HK416 back? Why do armorers keep buying overpriced Glocks with fancy aftermarket parts?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:35, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Taran Tactical isn't an unknown company. It might not be as famous or infamous as Salient, but it's known enough in some circles. They also trained Will Smith for Suicide Squad. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:11, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure Keanu Reeves trained with them for the movie.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 00:35, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
::I've heard somewhere that Keanu Reeves has some sort of share in Taran Tactical. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:12, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
:[https://www.facebook.com/TaranTactical/videos/1129178030434266/ Yep]. They even had a [https://www.facebook.com/TaranTactical/posts/1291057160913018 contest perfect for us].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 00:39, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
::Here's the same [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpr8oqyjKIc video]on youtube for those who loathe facebook. Anyway, i think those tacticooled glocks sorta fit in a silly movie like John Wick. Then again, the only other movies where i've ever seen these types of pimped guns are the Transformers movies and 13 hours.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:23, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
:::It makes a sort of sense in a way of people of expensive groups will buy expensive things, including guns if need be. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:59, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
::: One of the unseen henchmen on the poster (on the right) appears to be holding a P30L with the same compensator from the first film. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 11:00, 9 October 2016 (EDT)

Here's another vid of him training with Aaron Cohen, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKISkjMtPU [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:00, 12 October 2016 (EDT)

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID this launcher. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 14:30, 19 December 2016 (EST)
[[File:JW2 304.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::Looks like an [[ARWEN 37]] to me.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 15:09, 19 December 2016 (EST)
::: It was definitely an ARWEN 37, even got to see the loading process. --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 07:39, 13 February 2017 (EST)

== Glock ==
Looks like the Glock that was used in this film is currently on display at SHOT Show:
https://scontent.fdet1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15977767_10154301140996134_2975412249705260393_n.jpg?oh=e720456e623db93a6644ca3c46a432c9&oe=591FE97A

[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] ([[User talk:Lynx|talk]]) 12:05, 19 January 2017 (EST)
:Cool--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:38, 19 January 2017 (EST)
::Apparently he's also carrying a Taran Glock 26 too, if Glock themselves are to be [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/26/glock-movies-shot-2017/ believed.]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:07, 27 January 2017 (EST)

:There's a short clip ad of the scene where John Wick talks to the gun guy about what gun recommendations. He suggested a Glock 34, a Glock 26 as well as an "AR-15" and Benelli M4 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:57, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::Got a link to that clip?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 11:36, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::I've been trying to look for it, but it only appears as an ad every time I watch a Youtube vid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:28, 27 January 2017 (EST)

Nevermind. Found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgxWQADcWXI [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:29, 27 January 2017 (EST)
:That's neat. I guess all those guns have some Taran tactical thing going on with them...--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:18, 27 January 2017 (EST)

== Armory ==

[[File:JW2Armory1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2Armory2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Grabbed a couple more shots of the armory from the trailer. Does anyone know what the rifles that are hanging horizontally are? I can't place them, and it's bugging me.
--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] ([[User talk:Lynx|talk]]) 11:45, 3 February 2017 (EST)
:Beretta AR70/90?--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:16, 3 February 2017 (EST)
:: Yep, seems like a AR70/90--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] ([[User talk:Flavio|talk]]) 13:56, 3 February 2017 (EST)
:::Looks like the 90 to be specific.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:31, 3 February 2017 (EST)

: In Picture #1 I see several Glock 17s on the top shelf and what looks like a Glock 17L on the very far right. The shelf below that has a compact SIG P220 series handgun (not sure which), a VP9, and two empty spots which is likely where John got his two Glocks below. The one below that has two Beretta 92 handguns, and another that I can't identify (looked ''kind of'' like a compact Walther P99 or Springfield XD but I don't think it is.) The bottom shelf is mostly unidentifiable but the one on the furthest right looks kind of like a HK Mark 23 to me. Leaning against that shelf is an M79. The right most shelf has more Glock 17s, two two-tone SIG-Sauer P226s, and a Beretta 93R. There's another 93R and a Px4 on the one below that.
: In Picture #2 I see MP5Ks, two of which have compensators attached and several Uzis/Mini-Uzis. To the right of those are a bunch of MP5s, some of which have Surefire lights installed. Can't identify the shotguns, sadly.
--[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 21:02, 3 February 2017 (EST)
::There's also a Beretta PM12 in between the MP5Ks and Uzis. Most of the guns on the bottom are hard to ID, but there's a couple of obvious M4/M16 variants.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] ([[User talk:Lynx|talk]]) 10:58, 5 February 2017 (EST)
:::Two of those tall shotguns are Benelli M4s, and it looks like there are two SG553s behind them, in addition to regular Beretta AR 70s.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 11:47, 5 February 2017 (EST)

== Just saw it ==

So let me start by saying that if you're a fan of the first, chances are you'll love this one, I did. The action was beautifully choreographed and shot, and the world of the continental was expanded upon really well. Now for the guns I saw. Bear with me because the movie moved really fast and a lot of guns were used, but this is what I remember.

-HK P30L - Same gun from the first movie, used by John in the opening fight briefly. Later seen buried under John's floor.

-Kel-Tech KSG - Seen briefly being buried underneath John's floor in the beginning.

-Coharie Arms CA-415 - Buried alongside the KSG and another gun I couldn't identify.

-Glock 26 - Also seen alongside the P30L being buried.

-ARWEN 37 - Used by Santino in the beginning of the film. Portrayed as an explosive grenade launcher.

-Glock 34 - Main sidearm used by John in Rome, Had either the TTI or Salient modification. It was specifically referred to as the Glock 34 by "The Sommelier" (armorer). He also mentioned it's Austrian roots as well as the German roots of the P30.

-Glock 27 - Also used by John in Rome. Also provided by The Sommelier. It may have been a Glock 26 but I seem to remember him calling it the 27, I could be wrong though. Used in a fistfight with Cassien.

-Benelli M4 - Also used by John in Rome. Also provided by The Sommelier. Referred to by name and it's Italian roots are directly mentioned.

-TTI TR-1 - Final weapon used by John in Rome (I believe). Once again, provided by The Sommelier. He refers to it as an AR-15, and the specifications of it's attachments were mentioned but unfortunately I cannot remember them. Also appears to be used by Ares men in the final battle

-Kimber Warrior - Used by John as well as countless other assassins including Ares ([[Ruby Rose]]). Seen in both suppressed and unsuppressed modes, both of which are used by John. The Bowery King ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) provides one to John before the climax. He specifically refers to it as a "Kimber 1911" and also mentions it's seven round capacity, which also annoys John. The final gun John handles in the film.

-Grey Glock? - Used by Cassien ([[Common]]) while pursuing John through New York. Appeared to be a grey Colored Glock with a matching grey suppressor. Could be a custom gun or could be something entirely different, I didn't get a clear look at it.

-Various handguns - Used by multiple assassins attempting to kill John in New York. Appeared to be an assortment of Glocks, Kimbers, and HKs in suppressed and unsuppressed forms. Didn't get a clear view of them. John procures many of them from the assassins he kills throughout.

-Beretta Cheetah - Appeared to be used by one of The Bowery King's men who saves John. Seen suppressed. Also used, unsuppressed, by Santino D'Antonio ([[Riccardo Scamarcio]])

-Bowery King arsenal - Various weapons, many the same as seen earlier in the film, however I did notice what appeared to be an RPG-7 in one of the racks.

-Glock 17 - Carried by nearly all of Santino's men. Multiple are used by John in the finale, with him procuring a new one every time he runs out of ammo in the previous one.

-Sig SG 550 and 552 - Used by Ares' men in the finale. Some appeared to lack rear iron sights.

Thats about it. Cassien used a handgun during his fight with John in Rome, but I never got a clear view of it. Also in the finale Ares's men used a collection of AR-15s and I believe a few SMGs. I couldn't quite tell what models the SMGs were, however they appeared to be HKs and also lacked rear iron sights, though I could just be rememebering the Sigs and imagining that they used SMGs (Quite likely to be honest, It was a late showing and I'm fairly tired). I'm sure I missed several guns, as like I said this was a gun heavy movie, however i will comment that many of the same models appeared repeatedly, probably props being reused. Both The Bowery King and The Sommelier had large arsenals with numerous guns I was unable to Identify. Sorry for missing some things, the movie moved at a breakneck pace and I didn't always have time to appreciate the action on screen and notice what guns we're being used.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 05:09, 10 February 2017 (EST)
:The Sommelier mentions that Wick's AR-15 has a Trijicon Accupoint, but I don't remember him specifying the exact model. Also, regarding The Sommeliers arsenal, I believe the rifles in the background are Beretta AR70/90's.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 17:43, 13 February 2017 (EST)

I just saw it and I am pretty sure Cassien's grey glock was actually an Arsenal Strike One, It had a distinctive step down forward of the ejection port. You get a short but clear view of it when Cassien does an ammo check in the subway shootout. --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 14:34, 12 February 2017 (EST)

We also need a photo of TTI's Glock 34 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:23, 14 February 2017 (EST)

:They showed them off at the SHOT Show
:TTI Glock 34
:http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20170117_124643-600x537.jpg
:TTI Glock 26
:http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20170117_124607-600x341.jpg
Also there was a picture (cut away drawing?) of a H&K MG4 with a G36 Hensoldt AG Sight/carrying handle in Laurence Fishburne's office.
:--[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 15:40, 15 February 2017 (EST)

The 1911 that Ares uses is a S&W 1911 either a PD or an SC model I'm leaning towards a PD full size. Also the gun John uses at the very end seems to be some kind of Kimber with a custom compensator. [[User:Serpico1911|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911|talk]] 03:38, 15 February 2017 (CST)
:Finally got to see it. To think they weren't going to show this movie in sweden! Thank god they did! It blew my dick off! Liked alot of things in it, but one thing that stood out to me was that i've never seen an action movie like this were the main character reloads as often as he does. Also, don't know if this is the case, but i watched this with a friend and he counted that in the Museum scene (when Wick is switching between guns left and right) he only shot the various pistols he picked up ten times before they ran out.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:07, 24 February 2017 (EST)
::Just saw it too, my jaw hit the floor when Keanu did the [[Killing Floor 2]] style ''one-handed'' brass check on a 1911 before entering the hall of mirrors towards the end.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 01:31, 25 February 2017 (EST)
:::The only other movie ive seen someone do that style of brass check before is The way of the gun. Can't think of any movie where someone brass checked guns as often as this one--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:28, 25 February 2017 (EST)
::::Only movies that come to mind for brass checking is pretty much anything by Michael Mann, particularly Heat, but not as much as this film. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 18:29, 25 February 2017 (EST)

I'd say that Ares's pistol is a SW1911SC variant. I say this because we get a good look at the slide a few times, and it has the particular slide serrations of the SC series of SW1911's. It also seemed to have a black slide, but a stainless steel frame, but I could be wrong, saw the film last night. Loved it.--[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 13:05, 26 February 2017 (EST)

== 1911s ==

I'm pretty sure that the 1911 used by Ares is a S&W. I remember in one shot you could clearly see the extractor and the fish scale type serrations. I can't recall exactly what happened, but after John beats Ares to a pulp, he takes her 1911, but later when he's at the continental and shoots that guy with it, the 1911 he used is some variant with a compensator. Unless she was carrying two different 1911s, this might be a continuity error.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:19, 2 March 2017 (EST)

Your right. I remember watching this a second time that Ares had a suppressor on hers and clearly no compensator so...either a deleted scene or he just got a completely different 1911. I remember he frisked Ares for a spare mag and reloaded it since it was empty but when he used it at the Continental, it locked back, meaning he had fired all but one round so...I think there must be a deleted scene involved or something or just bad continuity, which is surprising for a movie like this. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:46, 2 March 2017 (EST)

Other than the final scene where we know for a fact that it's a Kimber 1911 as we can plainly see, I think all other 1911s should be in a separate section under 1911. Cassian's 1911, Ares' and the one John used in the subway fight [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:58, 2 March 2017 (EST)
:Yeah, lumping the S&W 1911 together with the Kimber is just confusing.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:27, 2 March 2017 (EST)

I have a pic. that could be from the supposed deleted scene but not sure how to upload the photo to here if anyone could help with that. [[User:Serpico1911|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911|talk]] 00:37, 4 March 2047 (CST)
: On the left side of the screen, Toolbox, Upload File.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 05:46, 4 March 2017 (EST)
[[File:FB IMG 1487413440638.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:FB IMG 1488634970915.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[User:Serpico1911|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911|talk]] 07:41, 4 March 2017 (CST)

Smith and Wesson SW1911 E-Series?
[[File:SW1911SC E series stainless slide.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 18:26, 4 March 2017 (EST)

I have found what resembles the compensated reversed two-tone 1911 John used in the final scene. As far as I can see, the grips are unique to the Kimber Team Match II and I couldn't find any other after market grips that looks like it. Take a look at the screencap I took from youtube below (sorry for low quality).
[[File:Kimber Team Match II.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:John wick 2 compensated 1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Note the grips and the black ambi safety. The markings on the slide are missing, though.]]
Still, we have to wait until the DVD is released to be able to correctly Identify it.
--[[User:Kliwher|Kliwher]] ([[User talk:Kliwher|talk]]) 21:40, 6 May 2017 (EST)

== The Custom AR-15 ==

The Sommelier refers to the Taran Tactical AR-15 as "11.5" inch - assuming he's referring to the barrel length, that can't be right surely? It looks much longer than that - closer to a regular size, 14.5 inch M4, if not longer.
Am I seeing things, or did someone make a mistake?
--[[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 23:17, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

Talk:The Expendables 3

2017-04-05T13:55:59Z

Stickie:

= Behind the Scenes =
[[File:Ex3-bts.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Discussion=
==BTS images==
All images, including behind-the-scenes images must be from a legal source. Any that are not will be deleted. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:55, 21 December 2013 (EST)
:Okay, I'm not sure on AUG and PK Machine Gun pictures, so delete them, just in case. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 12:58, 21 December 2013 (EST)
::What about the still? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:00, 21 December 2013 (EST)
:::Oops. Basically forgot about it for some time. Not sure, either... --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 13:05, 21 December 2013 (EST)
Does this facebook photo from Statham count? :P
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=300070923488488&set=a.108463682649214.17080.100827133412869&type=1
--[[User:JASPERPOON|JASPERPOON]] ([[User talk:JASPERPOON|talk]])

==Teaser Poster==
I don't remember that being the teaser poster. Wasn't this -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Expendables_3_poster.jpg <- The teaser poster? --SeanWolf 18:02, 21 December 2013 (EST)
:Both are the teaser posters. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 19:30, 21 December 2013 (EST)
::OK. I was only asking cause, like I said, I don't remember that seeing that one.--SeanWolf 19:49, 21 December 2013 (EST)
Hi guys, I am still quite new here so i don't really know how should I format my post...
Anyway, here are some fresh posters released yesterday: http://ck101.com/thread-2955710-1-1.html

"Trench" Mauser (Arnold Schwarzenegger) seems to really like the AA-12 and Lee Christmas (Jason Statham) should be using the P226 SCT again.

==Arsenal Shipka SMG?==
While watching the film I saw gun similar to Bulgarian [[Arsenal Shipka]] SMG. It was used in the final battle by Smilee character (Kellan Lutz), when he drove on the bike. Anyone can confirm?--[[User:Chris22lr|Chris22lr]] ([[User talk:Chris22lr|talk]]) 14:12, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

== XM25 is really a mocked up L85A1 ==

Did anyone else notice this? If not then sweet! I'm the first! I noticed that the XM25 that Mars uses looks like it has the bolt of an L85A1, like it was a mock up. Take a look.
[[File:Ex3 1003.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Look at the bolt.]]

[[Image:L85A1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|L85A1, just for comparison.]]
What do y'all think-Gunner5

:This is really weird for a few reasons:
:#To start with, based on the fact that there is a fired cartridge stuck in the ejection port we can rule out that this is airsoft and is an actual L85A1. This is a relatively uncommon gun in civilian hands, so it strikes me as odd that they would choose to modify one of these into this thing when they could have used literally any bullpup, or even a conventional rifle in a bullpup stock like the Moritas from Starship Troopers.
:#Why does it even need to be based on a real gun? The cases that would be ejected would be way to small and look ridiculous, and it isn't like their is recoil from blanks so this would be massively exaggerated anyway. I suppose that it has the advantage of being able to have some muzzle flash, but this can be done with CG and would probably be enhanced anyway.
:#If you look at higher res versions of this image you can see that the case that is jammed in the chamber is a fired blank, but the base is facing outwards. Is this possible? I have never seen it before, only the typical "stovepipe" with the mouth of the case facing out. I can't think of a way for the empty case to wind up in this position unless it bounced off of a wall back into the chamber as it was closing or something weird like that.
:I agree that this is deffinitely an L85A1, but it is just a weird choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:51, 8 September 2014 (EDT)

:: I definitely agree this is a strange instance to use a mockup live firearm, and stranger still to use an L85 as the base - I would be of the mind if you ''were'' to use a live firearm, a Ruger MZ14 Bullpup would be the more likely candidate. Not only is it the sort of go-to rifle for these kinds of things (''[[Starship Troopers]]'' being a prime example) but they are well known for practically never stovepiping or jamming with blanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2015 (EST)

==AK==
Aren't the AKs in the movie AK-47s instead of AKMs, as evidenced by the barrel? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:58, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
:Do you mean the lack of a slant muzzle brake? If so, this is not integral to the barrel and can be removed from an AKM, or for that matter fitted to an AK-47 so that doesn't necessarily help ID it. The only picture that really helps ID them is the first one which only shows the bottom, however from the lack of a bayonet lug on the gas block this does narrow it down somewhat, and combined with the fact that it has a sling loop on the gas block and what appears to be a milled receiver (not 100% on this though) I think that would make it either a Type III AK-47 or an Norinco Type 56 "M22". --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:18, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
::Ah, okay, thanks man. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:41, 23 September 2014 (EDT)

==Various handguns==
Ok, so I remember a few handguns I saw in the film. Both Jason Statham and Antonio Banderas used SIG's, though I'm not sure which variants. A few of the soldiers from the final battle used what appeared to be Makarov PM's and I'm fairly certain I saw a few H&K USP's used, though it was primarily used by Stonebanks's top bodyguard --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 17:49, 7 November 2014 (EST)

==SIG Model Confirmation==
I have two comments. Firstly, people know that SIG does not refer to their pistols as R versions anymore (as in P226R), since rails are default in most of their pistols now (Except maybe the SAS and subcompacts). People only refer to SIG pistols as R versions in a context to differentiate them from the older non-railed version. I only mention this because Antonio Banderas's SIG in the plane is definitely not railed, so it's not an R verion (May be a continuity error because when he's firing akimbo the rail shows on the gun).
[[Image:Ex3 P226 III.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Galgo shows off his P226R.]]

Secondly the gun that Luna briefly uses in the final firefight does not seem to be a P226 at all. I think it is a SP2022. The reason I believe so is the pin end on the right side of the gun, which is actually a part of the slide stop/release that needs to be removed for the gun to be field-stripped. The P226 and the rest of the metal classic line have a smooth right side because they are field-stripped differently.
[[Image:Ex3 P226 VII.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luna scoffs at Galgo, brandishing her P226R.]]

== Starting screencapping ==

I have started identifying/screencapping this film, should take a few days. I will update the page as I go. Feel free to help/comment on the talk page --[[User:LordOfTheLocusts|LordOfTheLocusts]] ([[User talk:LordOfTheLocusts|talk]]) 14:31, 27 November 2014 (EST)

Do you have this on Blu-ray? If not, just be prepared that your screenshots may be replaced with HD versions in the future. Also, there are already some HD caps on the page and you should not replace these with SD images. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 14:52, 27 November 2014 (EST)

Yep it's Blu-Ray, no worries --[[User:LordOfTheLocusts|LordOfTheLocusts]] ([[User talk:LordOfTheLocusts|talk]]) 15:36, 27 November 2014 (EST)

==Additional==
[[File:Exp3 513.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:01 416-k1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[File:04 416-k1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[File:Ex3 still.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barney's custom SAA is seen on his gunbelt in this production still.]]
[[File:Ex3Cast.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the right, a cast photo shows [[Sylvester Stallone]] carrying his custom Kimber pistol.]]

== Stallone is suddenly left handed? ==

How come in the other movies, Stallone was a right handed shooter, then in this movie, Stallone is suddenly a lefty?-Gunner5
:I think he's a lefty in real life. This discussion came up with Bruce Willis as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:53, 26 December 2014 (EST)

: In [[First Blood]], he throws the rock with his left hand. If you had seen the Rocky films, he fights as a southpaw. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 19:41, 6 January 2015 (EST)

==Please Help ID==
Please help ID the weapon mounted on the BMP. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]])
[[File:Exp3 202.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
: Hard to tell, but it seems like a turret containing a 14.5mm [[KPV_heavy_machine_gun#KPVT_Heavy_Machine_Gun|KVPT]], as usually seen on BTRs and BRDMs. Not as likely, but still possible it might also be a [[M2HB]] with that weird flash hider you see sometimes, meant to stand-in for a KPVT. Again, hard to tell. That said. is this an actual BMP or some kind of mockup? I ask because it's weird seeing that particular weapon/setup on it - Genuine BMPs as I understand are more IFVs/CFVs, and contain either a ~30mm autocannon or a 76mm gun, both in a larger tank-style turret (the 76mm version has a domed turret more in the middle front of the vehicle and the autocannon version in a dome turret more toward to rear). Then again, it could be one with the main turret removed I suppose, certainly seems authentic, but I'm not positive, hence my asking. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:28, 6 January 2015 (EST)

::That's an MT-LB, which would have either a PKT(7.62mm) or NSVT (12.7mm) machine gun depending on the model. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MT-LB --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:21, 6 January 2015 (EST)
::: Ahh.. thought something seemed different. Thanks for that. As for the gun, I'd have to go with an [[NSVT]] at this point, the size as well the flash hider look closer to it than a [[PKT]]. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:05, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Mel Gibson's 1911==
A bit hard to tell definitively but it looks like it has a plain flat spot under the barrel, not quite like your regular 1911s. This could possibly be a [[Browning Hi-Power]]. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:34, 6 January 2015 (EST)

== Barney's Rifle ==

Are we sure that Barney's Colt / Noveske hybrid is a sixteen inch model? It seems much shorter to me, somewhere between Christmas' short HK 416 and the other guys' M4s.
There's not much barrel poking out past the gas port - to my admittedly inexperienced eyes it looks like the barrel is closer to the length of a Colt 933.
[[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 09:53, 5 April 2017 (EDT) [Edited - moved my post up above the archived page data. --Stickie]

=Archived Page Data=
{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = The Expendables 3
|picture = TheExpendables3Poster.jpg
|caption = ''Teaser poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = [[Simon West]]
|date= 2012
|language = English
|studio=Nu Image Millennium Films
|distributor=Lionsgate
|character1=Barney Ross
|actor1=[[Sylvester Stallone]]
|character2=Lee Christmas
|actor2=[[Jason Statham]]
|character3=Yin Yang
|actor3=[[Jet Li]]
|character4=Gunnar Jensen
|actor4=[[Dolph Lundgren]]
|character5=Toll Road
|actor5=[[Randy Couture]]
|character6=Hale Caesar
|actor6=[[Terry Crews]]
|character7=Trench Mauser
|actor7=[[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]
|character8=Conrad Stonebanks
|actor8=[[Mel Gibson]]
|character9=Max Drummer
|actor9=[[Harrison Ford]]
|character10=Surgeon
|actor10=[[Wesley Snipes]]
|character11=Rapido
|actor11=[[Antonio Banderas]]
}}

'''''The Expendables 3''''' is the 2014 sequel to 2010's ''[[The Expendables]]'' and 2012's ''[[The Expendables 2]]''. The film was directed by Patrick Hughes and [[Sylvester Stallone]] returns as the leader of a team of mercenaries, who this time is forced to fight a co-founder of the group, an arms dealer named Conrad Stonebanks ([[Mel Gibson]]). With the third film, the franchise holds record for the largest number of action stars per movie, this time fitting the already awesome cast with [[Mel Gibson]], [[Harrison Ford]], [[Wesley Snipes]], [[Antonio Banderas]] and [[Robert Davi]].

'''The following firearms can be seen in the film ''The Expendables 3'':'''

===Custom Kimber Gold Combat II===
Barney Ross ([[Sylvester Stallone]]) uses a pair of [[Kimber_Gold_Combat_II#Kimber_Gold_Combat_II|Kimber Gold Combat II]] pistols as his sidearms in the film, the same Kimber Gold Combat II pistols that he wielded in the [[The Expendables|first film]]. In this film, the Kimbers' grips feature small "Expendable" emblems on both guns. The same symbol is also seen in Barney's toothpick knife.
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by Sylvester Stallone‎ in [[The Expendables]] - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TheExpendables3Teaser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ross (in the center) is seen in the tease trailer with two Kimbers holstered.]]

===Steyr AUG===
Surgeon ([[Wesley Snipes]]) uses a [[Steyr AUG]].

===AA-12===
"Trench" Mauser ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) is seen using an [[AA-12]] shotgun fitted with a weaponlight and a drum magazine as he did for the climax of the second movie. It was taken from Hale Caesar ([[Terry Crews]]) who wields a heavier [[M134 Minigun]] in this movie, one of the weapons which is, ironically, associated with Schwarzenegger being in several of the movies he acted, especially [[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]].
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MPS Auto Assault-12 - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:TheExpendables3Teaser.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Trench Mauser (third from the left) holds his AA-12 in the teaser trailer.]]

===M134 Minigun===
A [[M134 Minigun#Hand Held M134 Minigun|hand held M134 Minigun]] is seen used by Hale Caesar ([[Terry Crews]]). Ironically, he shifted this weapon with [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] (who was seen with it in several movies before) who this time wields Crews' own weapon-of-choice from the first two films in the franchise.
[[Image:TheExpendables3Teaser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hale Caesar ([[Terry Crews]]) with [[M134 Minigun]] is the fifth from the left in an amazing teaser trailer.]]

===PK Machine Gun===
Something very similar to a [[PK Machine Gun]] was glimpsed on some of the set photos.

===Attack Helicopter===
The attack hélico is not a EC665 Tigre, is a italian A129 Mangusta.

Talk:The Expendables 3

2017-04-05T13:53:36Z

Stickie: /* Barney's Rifle */ new section

= Behind the Scenes =
[[File:Ex3-bts.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Discussion=
==BTS images==
All images, including behind-the-scenes images must be from a legal source. Any that are not will be deleted. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:55, 21 December 2013 (EST)
:Okay, I'm not sure on AUG and PK Machine Gun pictures, so delete them, just in case. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 12:58, 21 December 2013 (EST)
::What about the still? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:00, 21 December 2013 (EST)
:::Oops. Basically forgot about it for some time. Not sure, either... --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 13:05, 21 December 2013 (EST)
Does this facebook photo from Statham count? :P
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=300070923488488&set=a.108463682649214.17080.100827133412869&type=1
--[[User:JASPERPOON|JASPERPOON]] ([[User talk:JASPERPOON|talk]])

==Teaser Poster==
I don't remember that being the teaser poster. Wasn't this -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Expendables_3_poster.jpg <- The teaser poster? --SeanWolf 18:02, 21 December 2013 (EST)
:Both are the teaser posters. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 19:30, 21 December 2013 (EST)
::OK. I was only asking cause, like I said, I don't remember that seeing that one.--SeanWolf 19:49, 21 December 2013 (EST)
Hi guys, I am still quite new here so i don't really know how should I format my post...
Anyway, here are some fresh posters released yesterday: http://ck101.com/thread-2955710-1-1.html

"Trench" Mauser (Arnold Schwarzenegger) seems to really like the AA-12 and Lee Christmas (Jason Statham) should be using the P226 SCT again.

==Arsenal Shipka SMG?==
While watching the film I saw gun similar to Bulgarian [[Arsenal Shipka]] SMG. It was used in the final battle by Smilee character (Kellan Lutz), when he drove on the bike. Anyone can confirm?--[[User:Chris22lr|Chris22lr]] ([[User talk:Chris22lr|talk]]) 14:12, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

== XM25 is really a mocked up L85A1 ==

Did anyone else notice this? If not then sweet! I'm the first! I noticed that the XM25 that Mars uses looks like it has the bolt of an L85A1, like it was a mock up. Take a look.
[[File:Ex3 1003.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Look at the bolt.]]

[[Image:L85A1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|L85A1, just for comparison.]]
What do y'all think-Gunner5

:This is really weird for a few reasons:
:#To start with, based on the fact that there is a fired cartridge stuck in the ejection port we can rule out that this is airsoft and is an actual L85A1. This is a relatively uncommon gun in civilian hands, so it strikes me as odd that they would choose to modify one of these into this thing when they could have used literally any bullpup, or even a conventional rifle in a bullpup stock like the Moritas from Starship Troopers.
:#Why does it even need to be based on a real gun? The cases that would be ejected would be way to small and look ridiculous, and it isn't like their is recoil from blanks so this would be massively exaggerated anyway. I suppose that it has the advantage of being able to have some muzzle flash, but this can be done with CG and would probably be enhanced anyway.
:#If you look at higher res versions of this image you can see that the case that is jammed in the chamber is a fired blank, but the base is facing outwards. Is this possible? I have never seen it before, only the typical "stovepipe" with the mouth of the case facing out. I can't think of a way for the empty case to wind up in this position unless it bounced off of a wall back into the chamber as it was closing or something weird like that.
:I agree that this is deffinitely an L85A1, but it is just a weird choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:51, 8 September 2014 (EDT)

:: I definitely agree this is a strange instance to use a mockup live firearm, and stranger still to use an L85 as the base - I would be of the mind if you ''were'' to use a live firearm, a Ruger MZ14 Bullpup would be the more likely candidate. Not only is it the sort of go-to rifle for these kinds of things (''[[Starship Troopers]]'' being a prime example) but they are well known for practically never stovepiping or jamming with blanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2015 (EST)

==AK==
Aren't the AKs in the movie AK-47s instead of AKMs, as evidenced by the barrel? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:58, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
:Do you mean the lack of a slant muzzle brake? If so, this is not integral to the barrel and can be removed from an AKM, or for that matter fitted to an AK-47 so that doesn't necessarily help ID it. The only picture that really helps ID them is the first one which only shows the bottom, however from the lack of a bayonet lug on the gas block this does narrow it down somewhat, and combined with the fact that it has a sling loop on the gas block and what appears to be a milled receiver (not 100% on this though) I think that would make it either a Type III AK-47 or an Norinco Type 56 "M22". --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:18, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
::Ah, okay, thanks man. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:41, 23 September 2014 (EDT)

==Various handguns==
Ok, so I remember a few handguns I saw in the film. Both Jason Statham and Antonio Banderas used SIG's, though I'm not sure which variants. A few of the soldiers from the final battle used what appeared to be Makarov PM's and I'm fairly certain I saw a few H&K USP's used, though it was primarily used by Stonebanks's top bodyguard --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 17:49, 7 November 2014 (EST)

==SIG Model Confirmation==
I have two comments. Firstly, people know that SIG does not refer to their pistols as R versions anymore (as in P226R), since rails are default in most of their pistols now (Except maybe the SAS and subcompacts). People only refer to SIG pistols as R versions in a context to differentiate them from the older non-railed version. I only mention this because Antonio Banderas's SIG in the plane is definitely not railed, so it's not an R verion (May be a continuity error because when he's firing akimbo the rail shows on the gun).
[[Image:Ex3 P226 III.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Galgo shows off his P226R.]]

Secondly the gun that Luna briefly uses in the final firefight does not seem to be a P226 at all. I think it is a SP2022. The reason I believe so is the pin end on the right side of the gun, which is actually a part of the slide stop/release that needs to be removed for the gun to be field-stripped. The P226 and the rest of the metal classic line have a smooth right side because they are field-stripped differently.
[[Image:Ex3 P226 VII.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luna scoffs at Galgo, brandishing her P226R.]]

== Starting screencapping ==

I have started identifying/screencapping this film, should take a few days. I will update the page as I go. Feel free to help/comment on the talk page --[[User:LordOfTheLocusts|LordOfTheLocusts]] ([[User talk:LordOfTheLocusts|talk]]) 14:31, 27 November 2014 (EST)

Do you have this on Blu-ray? If not, just be prepared that your screenshots may be replaced with HD versions in the future. Also, there are already some HD caps on the page and you should not replace these with SD images. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 14:52, 27 November 2014 (EST)

Yep it's Blu-Ray, no worries --[[User:LordOfTheLocusts|LordOfTheLocusts]] ([[User talk:LordOfTheLocusts|talk]]) 15:36, 27 November 2014 (EST)

==Additional==
[[File:Exp3 513.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:01 416-k1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[File:04 416-k1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[File:Ex3 still.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barney's custom SAA is seen on his gunbelt in this production still.]]
[[File:Ex3Cast.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the right, a cast photo shows [[Sylvester Stallone]] carrying his custom Kimber pistol.]]

== Stallone is suddenly left handed? ==

How come in the other movies, Stallone was a right handed shooter, then in this movie, Stallone is suddenly a lefty?-Gunner5
:I think he's a lefty in real life. This discussion came up with Bruce Willis as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:53, 26 December 2014 (EST)

: In [[First Blood]], he throws the rock with his left hand. If you had seen the Rocky films, he fights as a southpaw. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 19:41, 6 January 2015 (EST)

==Please Help ID==
Please help ID the weapon mounted on the BMP. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]])
[[File:Exp3 202.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
: Hard to tell, but it seems like a turret containing a 14.5mm [[KPV_heavy_machine_gun#KPVT_Heavy_Machine_Gun|KVPT]], as usually seen on BTRs and BRDMs. Not as likely, but still possible it might also be a [[M2HB]] with that weird flash hider you see sometimes, meant to stand-in for a KPVT. Again, hard to tell. That said. is this an actual BMP or some kind of mockup? I ask because it's weird seeing that particular weapon/setup on it - Genuine BMPs as I understand are more IFVs/CFVs, and contain either a ~30mm autocannon or a 76mm gun, both in a larger tank-style turret (the 76mm version has a domed turret more in the middle front of the vehicle and the autocannon version in a dome turret more toward to rear). Then again, it could be one with the main turret removed I suppose, certainly seems authentic, but I'm not positive, hence my asking. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:28, 6 January 2015 (EST)

::That's an MT-LB, which would have either a PKT(7.62mm) or NSVT (12.7mm) machine gun depending on the model. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MT-LB --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:21, 6 January 2015 (EST)
::: Ahh.. thought something seemed different. Thanks for that. As for the gun, I'd have to go with an [[NSVT]] at this point, the size as well the flash hider look closer to it than a [[PKT]]. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:05, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==Mel Gibson's 1911==
A bit hard to tell definitively but it looks like it has a plain flat spot under the barrel, not quite like your regular 1911s. This could possibly be a [[Browning Hi-Power]]. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:34, 6 January 2015 (EST)

=Archived Page Data=
{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = The Expendables 3
|picture = TheExpendables3Poster.jpg
|caption = ''Teaser poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = [[Simon West]]
|date= 2012
|language = English
|studio=Nu Image Millennium Films
|distributor=Lionsgate
|character1=Barney Ross
|actor1=[[Sylvester Stallone]]
|character2=Lee Christmas
|actor2=[[Jason Statham]]
|character3=Yin Yang
|actor3=[[Jet Li]]
|character4=Gunnar Jensen
|actor4=[[Dolph Lundgren]]
|character5=Toll Road
|actor5=[[Randy Couture]]
|character6=Hale Caesar
|actor6=[[Terry Crews]]
|character7=Trench Mauser
|actor7=[[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]
|character8=Conrad Stonebanks
|actor8=[[Mel Gibson]]
|character9=Max Drummer
|actor9=[[Harrison Ford]]
|character10=Surgeon
|actor10=[[Wesley Snipes]]
|character11=Rapido
|actor11=[[Antonio Banderas]]
}}

'''''The Expendables 3''''' is the 2014 sequel to 2010's ''[[The Expendables]]'' and 2012's ''[[The Expendables 2]]''. The film was directed by Patrick Hughes and [[Sylvester Stallone]] returns as the leader of a team of mercenaries, who this time is forced to fight a co-founder of the group, an arms dealer named Conrad Stonebanks ([[Mel Gibson]]). With the third film, the franchise holds record for the largest number of action stars per movie, this time fitting the already awesome cast with [[Mel Gibson]], [[Harrison Ford]], [[Wesley Snipes]], [[Antonio Banderas]] and [[Robert Davi]].

'''The following firearms can be seen in the film ''The Expendables 3'':'''

===Custom Kimber Gold Combat II===
Barney Ross ([[Sylvester Stallone]]) uses a pair of [[Kimber_Gold_Combat_II#Kimber_Gold_Combat_II|Kimber Gold Combat II]] pistols as his sidearms in the film, the same Kimber Gold Combat II pistols that he wielded in the [[The Expendables|first film]]. In this film, the Kimbers' grips feature small "Expendable" emblems on both guns. The same symbol is also seen in Barney's toothpick knife.
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by Sylvester Stallone‎ in [[The Expendables]] - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TheExpendables3Teaser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ross (in the center) is seen in the tease trailer with two Kimbers holstered.]]

===Steyr AUG===
Surgeon ([[Wesley Snipes]]) uses a [[Steyr AUG]].

===AA-12===
"Trench" Mauser ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) is seen using an [[AA-12]] shotgun fitted with a weaponlight and a drum magazine as he did for the climax of the second movie. It was taken from Hale Caesar ([[Terry Crews]]) who wields a heavier [[M134 Minigun]] in this movie, one of the weapons which is, ironically, associated with Schwarzenegger being in several of the movies he acted, especially [[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]].
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MPS Auto Assault-12 - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:TheExpendables3Teaser.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Trench Mauser (third from the left) holds his AA-12 in the teaser trailer.]]

===M134 Minigun===
A [[M134 Minigun#Hand Held M134 Minigun|hand held M134 Minigun]] is seen used by Hale Caesar ([[Terry Crews]]). Ironically, he shifted this weapon with [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] (who was seen with it in several movies before) who this time wields Crews' own weapon-of-choice from the first two films in the franchise.
[[Image:TheExpendables3Teaser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hale Caesar ([[Terry Crews]]) with [[M134 Minigun]] is the fifth from the left in an amazing teaser trailer.]]

===PK Machine Gun===
Something very similar to a [[PK Machine Gun]] was glimpsed on some of the set photos.

===Attack Helicopter===
The attack hélico is not a EC665 Tigre, is a italian A129 Mangusta.

== Barney's Rifle ==

Are we sure that Barney's Colt / Noveske hybrid is a sixteen inch model? It seems much shorter to me, somewhere between Christmas' short HK 416 and the other guys' M4s.
There's not much barrel poking out past the gas port - to my admittedly inexperienced eyes it looks like the barrel is closer to the length of a Colt 933.
[[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 09:53, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

The Marine (2006)

2017-02-18T17:59:23Z

Stickie: /* Cobray CM203 Launcher */ Small spelling correction

[[Image:MarineCover.jpg|thumb|right|301px|''The Marine (2006)'']]

'''''The Marine''''' is a 2006 action film featuring WWE star [[John Cena]] as Sergeant John Triton, a US Marine who has to utilize his special skills to rescue his wife, who has been kidnapped by ruthless bank robbers. Three direct to video sequels that also starred WWE wrestlers would follow: 2009's ''[[The Marine 2]]'' (featuring [[Ted DiBiase Jr.]]), 2013's ''[[The Marine 3: Homefront]]'', and 2015's ''[[The Marine 4: Moving Target]]'' (the latter two films featuring [[Mike "The Miz" Mizanin]]) .

{{Film Title|The Marine}}

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{{spoiler}}

=Rifles / Carbines=
==M16 (SP1)==
John Triton ([[John Cena]]) uses an [[M16 Rifle|M16 (SP1)]] rifle fitted with a [[Cobray 37mm Launcher]] to dispatch Al Qaeda torturing US Marines during the opening scene in the film. The gun is fitted with an A1-style birdcage muzzle brake, which gives the weapon a large and impressive "star pattern" muzzle flash. The original slab-side M16 was actually never issued to the US Marines.
[[Image:M16-SP1-withM203launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16 (SP1) fitted with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56x45mm/40mm. This image is a combination of two pictures taken by [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]].]]
[[Image:Marine1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Promotional image of John Triton ([[John Cena]]) firing the M16 (SP1) fitted with a Cobray CM203 37mm flare launcher.]]
[[Image:MarineM16-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Triton denies his direct order to hold back and jumps in firing his M16 (SP1) to kill all of the Al Qaeda torturing US Marines.]]
[[Image:MarineM16-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Triton fires his rifle from the hip, [[Schwarzenegger]]-style. No real Marine would ever fire his rifle like this.]]
[[Image:MarineM16-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A good shot of the immense muzzle flash the rifle produces.]]
[[Image:MarineM16-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A good shot of the rifle as Triton reloads his launcher.]]

==Colt Model 733==
Rome ([[Robert Patrick]]) takes a [[Colt Model 733]] carbine from the back of his car during the robbery and uses it to hose down a police car before the car is destroyed by Morgan's ([[Anthony Ray Parker]]) rocket launcher. Later, Bennett ([[Manu Bennett]]) uses the same gun to shoot at Triton ([[John Cena]]) as he pursues them in a police Camaro.
[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MarineColt733-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rome takes his [[Colt Model 733]] out of his trunk.]]
[[Image:MarineColt733-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rome unloads his Colt M733 on a police cruiser.]]
[[Image:MarineColt733-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rome ([[Robert Patrick]]) walks away from the wreckage while still holding his Colt 733.]]
[[Image:MarineColt733-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bennett ([[Manu Bennett]]) fires the Colt 733 at Triton.]]
[[Image:MarineColt733-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of this scene. Note how the rifle is shooting pretty much ''dead on'' to Triton.]]
[[Image:MarineColt733-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bennett does a mag change.]]
[[Image:MarineColt733-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bennett chambers the 733. Note how the round seen in the ejection port is a dummy round, which is surprising since most people don't bother to use dummy rounds when the shot is literally under a second long.]]
[[Image:MarineColt733-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bennett fires the 733.]]

==Norinco Type 56==
The Al Qaeda members torturing U.S. Marines during the opening scene are mainly armed with [[Norinco Type 56]] rifles, fitted with underfolding 'pig-sticker' bayonets and [[AKM]]-style muzzle brakes.
[[Image:Early type 56.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 56 with "pig-sticker" bayonet - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MarineNorincoPTL-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barrel of a Norinco Type 56 in the background. Note hooded front sight and milled receiver.]]
[[Image:MarineNorincoPTL-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Al Qaeda fighter to the right with a Norinco Type 56.]]
[[Image:MarineNorincoPTL-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An Al Qaeda fighter fires his Type 56 at Triton.]]
[[Image:MarineNorincoPTL-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An Al Qaeda fighter engulfed in flames by a grenade round fires his [[Norinco Type 56]].]]

=Machine Guns=
==RPD Light Machine Gun==
One of the Al Qaeda shooting at a US chopper is using an [[RPD Light Machine Gun]] during the opening scene.
[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD Light Machine Gun - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MarineRPD-1-RPKvariant-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Al Qaeda in the middle fires his RPD LMG.]]

=Pistols=
==Beretta 92FS==
John Triton ([[John Cena]]) is seen using what appears to be a [[Beretta 92FS]] to shoot several Al Qaeda members. The gun is never shown in focus. A South Carolina Police officer hunting down Rome ([[Robert Patrick]]) and his gang holds his [[Beretta 92FS]] on John Triton ([[John Cena]]) when he finds him in the woods. After Triton turns his handcuffs on himself with his Marine-style hand-to-hand, he takes the officers Beretta from him, but never uses it.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineUnknownPistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Triton ([[John Cena]]) fires his pistol.]]
[[Image:MarineRPD-1-RPKvariant-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Al Qaeda (right) is also seen with an unknown pistol, which is out of focus but looks like either a [[Tokarev TT-33]] or a [[Beretta 92FS]]. It also bears resemblance to a [[Browning BDM]].]]
[[Image:MarineBeretta92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer points his [[Beretta 92FS]] at Triton.]]
[[Image:MarineBeretta92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Triton takes the officer's Beretta.]]

==Beretta 92SB==
Do to continuity error, Bennett's ([[Manu Bennett]]) [[Taurus PT92]] changes into a nickel plated [[Beretta 92SB]] when he looks for Morgan ([[Anthony Ray Parker]]) under the fishing hut.
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92SB - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineBeretta92SB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bennett walks out and a nickel plated Beretta 92SB is seen tucked in his pants. Note the slide mounted decocking safety, as opposed to the frame mounted slide stop safety of his Taurus.]]
[[Image:MarineBeretta92SB-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bennett draws his 92SB.]]
[[Image:MarineBeretta92SB-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bennett ([[Manu Bennett]]) with the 92SB. Note rounded trigger guard.]]
[[Image:MarineBeretta92SB-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This shows that the safety is ambidextrous.]]

==Jericho 941 F==
Rome ([[Robert Patrick]]) carries a brushed chrome [[Jericho 941|Jericho 941 F]] (meaning his has a frame mounted safety) as his sidearm in the film, chambered in .45 ACP. Triton ([[John Cena]]) is also seen on the film poster wielding a Jericho, but is not seen wielding one in the film.
[[File:Jericho 941 F stainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Stainless steel Jericho 941 F - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineJericho941F-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rome ([[Robert Patrick]]) points his Jericho 941F during the robbery.]]
[[Image:MarineJericho941F-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rome's Jericho being held on Angela ([[Abigail Bianca]]). Note how "Jericho 941 F" can be read on the frame.]]
[[Image:MarineJericho941F-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rome fires his [[Jericho 941|Jericho 941 F]] at a police Camaro at the gas station.]]
[[Image:MarineJericho941F-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The ejected casing clearly reads ".45mm" which is woefully incorrect. 45/100 of a millimeter is ''extremely'' small (in fact .45mm equates to 0.019685 of an inch - a diameter slightly smaller than most common hypodermic needles). Rome's Jericho fires .45 caliber rounds, which are actually measured as 45/100 of an inch in diameter. It is not a metric measurement.]]
[[Image:MarineJericho941F-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"You are one crazy son of a bitch!"'' Rome holds his Jericho on Morgan ([[Anthony Ray Parker]]).]]
[[Image:MarineJericho941F-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good side shot of the Jericho.]]
[[Image:MarineJericho941F-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rome's [[Jericho 941|Jericho 941 F]] on the table.]]
[[Image:MarineJericho941F-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rome fires his Jericho at Agent Van Buren ([[Jerome Ehlers]]).]]

==Taurus PT99==
Angela ([[Abigail Bianca]]) is given an older model stainless [[Taurus PT99]] by Rome ([[Robert Patrick]]), who takes it off a guard during the first robbery and carries it as her sidearm in the film.
[[Image:Taurus pt99.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT99 Stainless Steel - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Angela points her [[Taurus PT99]] during the robbery.]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|She looks like she's holding a gun for the first time ever.]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Angela smacks a fresh magazine into her PT99.]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Angela releases the slide on her PT99. Note adjustable sights.]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Angela's ([[Abigail Bianca]]) gun has jammed but she's more concerned with the flaming Camaro coming straight for her.]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note how the magazine is falling out here.]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Angela points her [[Taurus PT99]] at Kate Triton (Kelly Carlson).]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Angela draws her PT99 hidden in the small of her back before killing a truck driver. In this shot, we can see that her PT99 is fitted with Hogue grips.]]

==Taurus PT92AFS==
Bennett ([[Manu Bennett]]) carries a pair of stainless [[Taurus PT92AFS]] pistols during the robbery and continues to carry a single PT92-AFS for the rest of the film.
[[Image:TaurusPT92AFSwBlack.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT92AFS (Stainless) with Slimline Black Factory Grips - 9x19mm. This differs from the PT99 because it has fixed rear sights.]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bennett wields two [[Taurus PT92AFS]] pistols akimbo during the first robbery.]]
[[Image:MarineTaurusPT92AFS-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bennett holds his PT92 AFS on Kate Triton (Kelly Carlson).]]

==Ruger KP95==
Morgan ([[Anthony Ray Parker]]) carries a [[Ruger KP95]] as his sidearm in the film.
[[Image:kp95.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Ruger KP95 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineRugerP95-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan shoots a cop at the gas station with his Ruger KP95.]]
[[Image:MarineRugerP95-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan with his [[Ruger KP95]].]]
[[Image:MarineRugerP95-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan ([[Anthony Ray Parker]]) ignites gasoline at the station by shooting his Ruger at the puddle. Since bullets don't spark on concrete, this seems highly unlikely.]]
[[Image:MarineRugerP95-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan points his Ruger at Vescera ([[Damon Gibson]]), using the 'gangsta-grip'.]]

==Heckler & Koch P7M13==
When Morgan ([[Anthony Ray Parker]]) is in the chop-shop looking for a good getaway car, a guard doing a pat-down discovers a pistol on him, which appears to be a [[Heckler & Koch P7M13]].
[[Image:HKP7M13Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P7M13 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineP7M13-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bodyguard looks at the pistol he just found on Morgan.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP-9==
Agent Van Buren ([[Jerome Ehlers]]) carries a 9mm [[Heckler & Koch USP]] as his sidearm in the film.
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineH&KUSP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Van Buren points his [[Heckler & Koch USP]] at Triton when he first meets him in the woods.]]
[[Image:MarineH&KUSP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Van Buren points his H&K USP-9 at Triton once again.]]
[[Image:MarineH&KUSP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Van Buren ([[Jerome Ehlers]]) points his USP-9 at Rome in the fishing shack.]]
[[Image:MarineH&KUSP-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Van Buren aims his USP.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Morgan ([[Anthony Ray Parker]]) is also seen holding a [[Browning Hi-Power]] while in the chop-shop.
[[Image:HiPowerMk3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Commercial Browning Hi-Power Mark III - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineUnknown-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan with the Hi-Power.]]

==CZ 75B==
Vescera ([[Damon Gibson]]) uses a [[CZ 75B]] to shoot at Triton ([[John Cena]]) during the car chase.
[[Image:Cz75b9mm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|CZ 75B - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineUnknown-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vescera fires his CZ 75.]]
[[Image:MarineUnknown-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vescera fires his pistol.]]

=Revolvers=
==Smith & Wesson Model 14==
The two cops at the gas station carry [[Smith & Wesson Model 14]] revolvers, even though the rest of the state police carry [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols. After John Triton's ([[John Cena]]) wife Kate (Kelly Carlson) is kidnapped by Rome's ([[Robert Patrick]]) gang, he takes an officer's Model 14 and a speed loader and begins the chase. Unfortunately the gun is knocked from his hand before he can reload and is thus never used.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel14.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 14 'Target Masterpiece' - .38 Special]]
[[Image:MarineS&W14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer's revolver is seen in his holster as he walks up to the gas pump, with target grips. It is unconfirmed if this is the same revolver used by his partner.]]
[[Image:MarineS&W14-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer draws his [[Smith & Wesson Model 14]] after his partner is shot by Morgan.]]
[[Image:MarineS&W14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer fires his Model 14 at Rome through the windshield of his Camaro.]]
[[Image:MarineS&W14-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Triton takes a speedloader off the wounded officer before going after Rome and his gang.]]
[[Image:MarineS&W14-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Triton picks up the Model 14 off the seat.]]
[[Image:MarineS&W14-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Triton attempts to reload the Model 14. Note how there are no empty shells in the gun, yet the officer fired it empty before and Triton never dumped the casings out.]]
[[Image:MarineS&W14-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Triton drops the gun when his car is rammed.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==IMI Uzi==
Morgan ([[Anthony Ray Parker]]) uses an [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] to shoot at Triton ([[John Cena]]) during the car chase scene.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MarineUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan loads up his IMI Uzi.]]
[[Image:MarineUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan fires his Uzi at Triton.]]
[[Image:MarineUzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan reloads his Uzi.]]
[[Image:MarineUzi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan fires his Uzi.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870 Custom==
Billy ([[Jeff Chase]]), a hick in the woods, holds a [[Remington 870]] shotgun with an old style USMC heatshield and bayonet lug adapter and sawed off buttstock, on Triton ([[John Cena]]) when he accuses him of being a cop. It resembles the shotgun used by [[Denzel Washington]] in ''[[Training Day]]'', [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] in ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'', [[Woody Harrelson]] in ''[[Natural Born Killers]]'' and a random thug in ''[[Desperado]]''.
[[Image:870trench.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Trench Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:USMC870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 with USMC configuration - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MarineRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy ([[Jeff Chase]]) points his [[Remington 870]] (with a USMC bayonet lug adapter and heat shield) at Triton.]]
[[Image:MarineRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good shot of the muzzle. This is the old USMC combination barrel extension/heatshield/bayonet lug adapter that was used for the 870 throughout the 1980s to the early 2000s.]]

=Other=
==Cobray CM203 Launcher==
Attached to John Triton's M16 (SP1) rifle is a [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]], standing in for [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Unlike a real grenade launcher, it is shown capable of detonation at very close ranges, which is not possible with real grenade rounds due to a safety feature based on how many times the round spins in flight. Also, the explosion of the round is depicted as a huge fireball which engulfs the bad guys, another piece of film fiction.
[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Cobray CM203 Launcher - 37mm]]
[[Image:MarineCM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Triton takes cover from the hail of gun fire and a good shot of the CM203 launcher is seen.]]
[[Image:MarineCM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Triton reloads his CM203 before opting to "go through" the huge firefight as opposed to around it.]]

==Armbrust ATW==
Morgan ([[Anthony Ray Parker]]) uses an ''"Israeli Shoulder Fired Single Shot Rocket Launcher"'' (in reality a German [[Armbrust ATW]]) to blow up a police cruiser once Rome's ([[Robert Patrick]]) Colt Model 733 proves ineffective. The Armbrust is manufactured by Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm and licensed to Singapore. It is a lightweight 67mm Single shot rocket system (just like the American [[M72 LAW]]) except that it is one of the few weapons of that type that is safe to fire from within an enclosed space.
[[Image:Amburst Rocket Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Armbrust ATW - 67mm]]
[[Image:MarineIsraeliLauncher-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan takes out the Armbrust from the car.]]
[[Image:MarineIsraeliLauncher-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan aims the Armbrust launcher. Notice the strange tube located inside the muzzle - likely a pyrotechnic effect to simulate the weapon being fired.]]
[[Image:MarineIsraeliLauncher-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Morgan stares at what's left of the police car he just blew up, still holding the Armbrust.]]

==Hind Minigun (Acetylene Gas Firing)==
At the film's beginning, the "Hind" helicopter during the Iraq mission fires off a chin-mounted Gatling-type gun during the opening scene, which is actually firing Acetylene gas to simulate muzzle flash. This actually is footage taken from the film ''[[Rambo III]]'' and the helicopter is a Aérospatiale Puma mocked up as a Russian MIL Mi-24 Hind. The Minigun is standing in for the YakB 12.7mm which is typically mounted on real Hinds.
[[Image:YakB-127mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Yak-B Gatling Gun - 12.7mm.]]
[[Image:MarineVulcanAcetelyne-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fake Mi-24 Hind fires off a chin-mounted Minigun in footage taken from ''[[Rambo III]]''.]]

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Talk:London Has Fallen

2017-02-18T17:53:27Z

Stickie: /* Another pistol spotted - unable to ID */

==Official Trailer screencaps==
Added several pictures and weapons from the newer [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQhX4JxGHtw official trailer]. This is my first major edit on this site, so do tell me if I messed up on any details or misidentified anything greatly.

Identified several more weapons, but shots of them were too small or pixelated to identify properly.
:0:13 - MP5 carried by London Met Police, probably A2 model.
:0.14 - A G3-type weapon (might be a PSG-1) with 5 round magazine being inserted by an unknown sniper.
:1:09 - An unidentified AK variant similar to the example listed before.
:1:13-1:14 - Two unidentifiable submachine-guns carried by the two left men. MP5K and Skorpion identifiable by the center and right attackers.
:1:21 - Guy bursting through the skylight with AR-15 type rifle.
:1:44 - Slung MP5K carried by the guy in center, another MP5K carried by off-screen man on the far left.
:1:51 - Multiple MP5s carried by London Police (possibly enemy infiltrators?) and two people carrying UMPs by the left half of the screen, possibly 9mm version judging by the curved-looking magazines.
:1:54-1:55 - Several rifles carried by unknown operators.

Hopefully when the movie comes out, they will be replaced with much more clearer screencaps. --[[User:SSgt LuLZ|SSgt LuLZ]] 08:59, 5 December 2015 (GMT)

==Additional==
[[File:LHS-AKTrailer-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A terrorist with the AK.]]

==Additional weapon==

I looked film today and saw some more weapons.

Terrorists on motorcycles have AKS-74U assault rifles.

Faked "Delta forces" have M4A1 Carbines.

Terrorist and Mike Banning use M67 hand grenades.

[[User:Andrey Karchikyan|Andrey Karchikyan]] 23:51, 5 June 2016 (GMT)

==MGL is not an MGL==

As specified on the page, it is most definitely an ICS-190 airsoft grenade launcher. The holes in the rail system match that of the ICS-190 and not any model of the MGL. The stock is also identical to the one that ships with the ICS (a cheap "M4 'LE' stock" replica.) I have one and am most certain that it is not a real MGL. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 14:00, 6 June 2016 (EDT)

==Please ID==
[[File:LHF-Pistol.jpg |thumb|none|600px|A terrorist fires a pistol.]]
:A SIG P22whatever maybe? The slide makes me think of a Beretta 92 but i doubt that's it. Also, sign your posts.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:22, 3 January 2017 (EST)

I'm getting a bit of a 1911 vibe, maybe a para cause it seems to have double stack grips.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 18:25, 3 January 2017 (EST)
:Obviously you do.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:31, 3 January 2017 (EST)
:: Definitely not a Beretta, nor a SIG. I too think this is some sort of 1911 variant. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:42, 4 January 2017 (EST)

==Awesome movie, but possibility?==
As much as I enjoy this movie, I find it hard to believe that it would be at all possible for so many bad guys to be able to infiltrate so many levels of British government and law enforcement unnoticed. I mean, they even had men embedded in the freaking ''Queen's Guard''! How the hell could ''that'' even happen? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:32, 20 January 2017 (EST)

To not insult the Brits, they have been letting a TON of refugees lately and the smarter ones have been getting jobs. We've been seeing guys who have immigrated from the middle east pretty much getting up there, so it wouldn't be a surprise if somehow this happened, but a perfect plan going off without a hitch like this is a bit farfetched. I mean, the Prime Minster just died not too long ago. That means they would of needed sleepers already apart of the police, and even the Queen's Guard for years for an attack that seemed to well coordinated. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:50, 20 January 2017 (EST)

== Another pistol spotted - unable to ID ==

Towards the end of the movie (about one hour and twenty six minutes), the next scene after the president and Banning have been pulled out of the shaft, as the MI6 traitor is checking through his documents before trying to escape, a pistol can be seen lying on top of his things. I *think* it's some kind of HK - an HK45 or P30 - not sure.

[[File:LHF_unknown_pistol.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]

[[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 12:51, 18 February 2017 (EST)

Talk:London Has Fallen

2017-02-18T17:51:06Z

Stickie: /* Another pistol spotted - unable to ID */ new section

==Official Trailer screencaps==
Added several pictures and weapons from the newer [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQhX4JxGHtw official trailer]. This is my first major edit on this site, so do tell me if I messed up on any details or misidentified anything greatly.

Identified several more weapons, but shots of them were too small or pixelated to identify properly.
:0:13 - MP5 carried by London Met Police, probably A2 model.
:0.14 - A G3-type weapon (might be a PSG-1) with 5 round magazine being inserted by an unknown sniper.
:1:09 - An unidentified AK variant similar to the example listed before.
:1:13-1:14 - Two unidentifiable submachine-guns carried by the two left men. MP5K and Skorpion identifiable by the center and right attackers.
:1:21 - Guy bursting through the skylight with AR-15 type rifle.
:1:44 - Slung MP5K carried by the guy in center, another MP5K carried by off-screen man on the far left.
:1:51 - Multiple MP5s carried by London Police (possibly enemy infiltrators?) and two people carrying UMPs by the left half of the screen, possibly 9mm version judging by the curved-looking magazines.
:1:54-1:55 - Several rifles carried by unknown operators.

Hopefully when the movie comes out, they will be replaced with much more clearer screencaps. --[[User:SSgt LuLZ|SSgt LuLZ]] 08:59, 5 December 2015 (GMT)

==Additional==
[[File:LHS-AKTrailer-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A terrorist with the AK.]]

==Additional weapon==

I looked film today and saw some more weapons.

Terrorists on motorcycles have AKS-74U assault rifles.

Faked "Delta forces" have M4A1 Carbines.

Terrorist and Mike Banning use M67 hand grenades.

[[User:Andrey Karchikyan|Andrey Karchikyan]] 23:51, 5 June 2016 (GMT)

==MGL is not an MGL==

As specified on the page, it is most definitely an ICS-190 airsoft grenade launcher. The holes in the rail system match that of the ICS-190 and not any model of the MGL. The stock is also identical to the one that ships with the ICS (a cheap "M4 'LE' stock" replica.) I have one and am most certain that it is not a real MGL. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 14:00, 6 June 2016 (EDT)

==Please ID==
[[File:LHF-Pistol.jpg |thumb|none|600px|A terrorist fires a pistol.]]
:A SIG P22whatever maybe? The slide makes me think of a Beretta 92 but i doubt that's it. Also, sign your posts.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:22, 3 January 2017 (EST)

I'm getting a bit of a 1911 vibe, maybe a para cause it seems to have double stack grips.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 18:25, 3 January 2017 (EST)
:Obviously you do.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:31, 3 January 2017 (EST)
:: Definitely not a Beretta, nor a SIG. I too think this is some sort of 1911 variant. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:42, 4 January 2017 (EST)

==Awesome movie, but possibility?==
As much as I enjoy this movie, I find it hard to believe that it would be at all possible for so many bad guys to be able to infiltrate so many levels of British government and law enforcement unnoticed. I mean, they even had men embedded in the freaking ''Queen's Guard''! How the hell could ''that'' even happen? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:32, 20 January 2017 (EST)

To not insult the Brits, they have been letting a TON of refugees lately and the smarter ones have been getting jobs. We've been seeing guys who have immigrated from the middle east pretty much getting up there, so it wouldn't be a surprise if somehow this happened, but a perfect plan going off without a hitch like this is a bit farfetched. I mean, the Prime Minster just died not too long ago. That means they would of needed sleepers already apart of the police, and even the Queen's Guard for years for an attack that seemed to well coordinated. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:50, 20 January 2017 (EST)

== Another pistol spotted - unable to ID ==

Towards the end of the movie (about one hour and twenty six minutes), the next scene after the president and Banning have been pulled out of the shaft, as the MI6 traitor is checking through his documents before trying to escape, a pistol can be seen lying on top of his things. I *think* it's some kind of HK - not sure.

[[File:LHF_unknown_pistol.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]

[[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 12:51, 18 February 2017 (EST)

File:LHF unknown pistol.jpg

2017-02-18T17:47:02Z

Stickie: Screencap of unknown pistol from London Has Fallen.

Screencap of unknown pistol from London Has Fallen.

Talk:Dawn of the Planet of the Apes

2016-02-26T07:52:20Z

Stickie:

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID the rifle in the foreground. It appears to be a bolt action. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 22:49, 5 March 2015 (EST)
[[Image:DOTPOTA_15.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

Malcolm is seen with this rifle in the beginning of the film. He later hands it over to the apes (as per the agreement they made), which is seen being destroyed by a gorilla. Could it be a SAKO 85? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 08:30, 9 March 2015 (EDT)
[[File:DOTPOTA_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:DOTPOTA_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
It could be a Ruger 77 rifle as well?--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 20:36, 24 March 2015 (EDT)

=Discussion=
I hope this one doesn't overtly paint the apes as "good" and humans as "bad". That really bothered me about ''Rise'' and flies in direct contradiction of the original ''Planet'''s message (at least the one I interpreted from it) that the concept of good and evil is a creation of intelligent thought and has no basis in nature. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:28, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
:From what I have heard there some of the apes and humans want to live in peace, but on the other hand you also have both apes and humans who want war. I believe that the main villain of this might actually be one of the apes, but not sure about that as I haven't seen it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:37, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

There's a poster I keep seeing where I think it's Caesar is on a horse and behind him is the Golden Gate bridge and he's holding an AR of some sort [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:00, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

==M249==
I checked on IMDB and parts of this movie were filmed in Canada so there's a good chance the [[M249]]s here might just be [[Daewoo K3]]s instead. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 22:47, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

== Just Watched The Movie ==

And I saw an [[Browning M2]] and an [[Mk 19 Grenade Launcher|Mk 19]]. Neither were used in the movie but they were shown being readied for battle. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 21:37, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

==M16A4?==
What I believe is a modified M16A4 appears in one [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Dawn_of_the_Planet_of_the_Apes.jpg movie poster] but also two of them are seen in the M2 Browning screenshot, both are leaning to a crate by the ape, first one being equipped with an M203 and an optical sight, and the second which is similar to the one in the movie poster is behind an M4. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 01:09, 6 March 2015 (EST)

== Beretta 92FS Inox ==

At the end of the movie, when Malcolm acquires the FN SCAR-H, one the survivors with Dreyfus can be seen with what appears to be a Beretta 92FS Inox in a thigh holster.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] ([[User talk:Alienqueen11|talk]]) 21:43, 9 March 2015 (EDT)

==M16A4? (again)==

Regarding the "M16A4" used by McVeigh - doesn't it look more like a Mk12? Or at least something mocked up to look like a Mk12? [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 02:52, 26 February 2016 (EST)

Assassin in Love

2015-09-26T13:57:07Z

Stickie: /* Glock 26 */ Pistol was listed as a "Glock 16" - Assuming that this was a typo.

[[Image:AiL_poster_01.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Assassin in Love'' (2007) (American release title)]]
[[Image:AiL_poster_02.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Baker'' (2007) (Original release title)]]

'''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' (original title, '''''The Baker''''') is a 2007 comedy written and directed by Gareth Lewis, who is the younger brother of actor [[Damian Lewis]], who plays the title character. The film costars [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]], Kate Ashfield, and [[Michael Gambon]].

{{Film Title}}
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==Glock 17==
Milo "The Baker" Shakespeare's ([[Damian Lewis]]) weapon of choice is a suppressed [[Glock 17]]. Eggs ([[Dyfan Dwyfor]]) gets ahold of it when he obtains Milo's case of guns. Unfortunately, the film perpetuates the myth that the "plastic" Glock is invisible to metal detectors, which might have been understandable for movies like ''[[Die Hard 2]]'' when polymer-framed handguns were revolutionary, but was completely inexcusable for a film released in 2007.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm. Note the finger grooves, thumb reliefs, and accessory rail on the frame, which differentiate it from the older model.]]
[[Image:AiL_3gun_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock 17 in Milo's case with his Glock 26 and disassembled AR-7. A scope for the AR-7, suppressors and magazines are also in the case.]]
[[Image:AiL_G17_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Milo points his suppressed Glock at his first target.]]
[[Image:AiL_G17_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Milo points his suppressed Glock at Bjorn ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]).]]
[[Image:AiL_G17_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eggs with the Glock 17. According to his magazine, "the Glock 17 is made almost entirely of plastic, making it undetectable by metal detectors. For this reason alone, it is the handgun of choice of professional assassin." (It also happens to be the handgun of choice for tens of thousands of American police officers, but who's counting?)]]
[[Image:AiL_G17_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The villagers gawk at the Glock 17.]]
[[Image:AiL_G17_05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eggs with the suppressed Glock 17 at his first hit.]]
[[Image:AiL_G17_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eggs returns the Glock 17.]]

==Glock 26==
Milo's backup weapon is a [[Glock 26]]. Rival assassin Bjorn ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) uses one at the end of the film.
[[Image:Glock_26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:AiL_3gun_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock 26 in Milo's case with his Glock 17 and disassembled AR-7. A scope for the AR-7, suppressors and magazines are also in the case.]]
[[Image:AiL_G19_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Milo wakes up with the Glock 26.]]
[[Image:AiL_G19_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The shorter grip is seen in this shot.]]
[[Image:AiL_G19_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bjorn with the Glock 26.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Bjorn's weapon at the beginning of the film is a suppressed [[Beretta 92FS]].
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:AiL_B92_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bjorn with his suppressed Beretta.]]
[[Image:AiL_B92_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Beretta sans suppressor.]]

==M4A1==
Bjorn uses a suppressed [[M4A1]] for a hit.
[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with 4 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:AiL_M4_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good shot of the M4A1's forward assist and brass deflector.]]
[[Image:AiL_M4_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bjorn aims through an ACOG.]]

==Armalite AR-7==
Milo returns fire against an assassin with a suppressed [[Armalite AR-7]].
[[Image:Arma7.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Armalite AR-7 rifle - .22 LR]]
[[Image:AiL_3gun_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The disassembled AR-7 in Milo's case with his Glocks. A scope for the AR-7, suppressors and magazines are also in the case.]]
[[Image:AiL_AR7_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Milo assembles his AR-7 while on the phone.]]
[[Image:AiL_AR7_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Milo takes aim. He probably didn't need to attach the suppressor.]]

==Unidentifiable pistol==
Leo ([[Michael Gambon]]) uses an unidentifiable pistol for a hit. It's only seen once and impossible to identify.
[[Image:AiL_unknown_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

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Red Tails

2015-08-07T17:45:57Z

Stickie: No such thing as an "Me-109" The "Bf" stood for "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke" - the name of the company Willy Messerschmitt worked for at the time. It was only after he acquired the company in 1938 that his designs were given the "Me" designation.

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|name = ''Red Tails''
|picture = Red Tails Poster.jpg
|caption = ''Movie Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States [[Image:CZE.jpg|25px]] Czech Republic
|director = Anthony Hemingway
|date= 2012
|language = English German Italian
|studio= Lucasfilm Partnership Pictures
|distributor= 20th Century Fox
|character1=Colonel A.J. Bullard
|actor1=[[Terrence Howard]]
|character2=Major Emanuelle Stance
|actor2=[[Cuba Gooding Jr]]
|character3=Marty 'Easy' Julian
|actor3=[[Nate Parker]]
|character4=Joe 'Lightning' Little
|actor4=[[David Oyelowo]]
|character5=Sofia
|actor5=[[Daniela Ruah]]
|character6=Colonel William Mortamus
|actor6=[[Bryan Cranston]]
|character7=Lieutenant General Luntz
|actor7=[[Gerald McRaney]]
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'''''Red Tails''''' is the 2012 war movie directed by Anthony Hemingway (''[[The Wire]]'', ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'') starring [[Nate Parker]], [[David Oyelowo]], [[Terrence Howard]] and [[Cuba Gooding Jr]], with [[Bryan Cranston]] and [[Gerald McRaney]]. Executive Producer George Lucas had long been an aviation buff (as demonstrated in ''[[Star Wars]]'') and had wanted to make a film about the Tuskegee Airmen for years, but was unable to secure funding due to difficulty of marketing films with predominantly black casts to white and international audiences. Lucas selected director Hemingway after seeing his work on ''[[The Wire]]'', and along with casting director Alexa L. Fogel, also of ''The Wire'', selected many veterans from that show to fill out the cast. For [[Terrence Howard]] and [[Cuba Gooding Jr]], this was their second turns as Tuskegee Airmen, having starred in ''[[Hart's War]]'' and HBO's ''[[The Tuskegee Airmen]]'', respectively.

{{Film Title}}
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=Aircraft Armament=
==Browning M2 Aircraft (Flexible)==
The [[Browning M2 Aircraft]] heavy machine gun appears in the film as the primary armament of US Army Air Force bombers.
[[File:M2 aircraft flexible.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2 Aircraft, Flexible - .50 BMG]]
[[File:RedT 22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The top turret of a B-17.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tail turret of the B-17F and early Gs.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A waist gunner fires his M2. Note the K-13 lead-computing gunsight.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The chin turret and top turret firing.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner firing his M2 from the radio room. This is odd as all the CGI B-17s in the film omit the radio room mount.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2_05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sperry ball turret with its twin fifties.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The waist gunners with their M2s. Note the plexiglass window and the staggered positions, which were features added to the B-17G to improved crew comfort.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the omission of the radio room mount.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The "Cheyenne" tail guns of later B-17G models. The CGI model carries an anachronistic USAAF insignia, however, as the insignia shown was phased out in September of 1943.]]

==Browning M2 Aircraft (Fixed)==
American P-40 and P-51 fighters are armed with fixed [[Browning M2 Aircraft]] machine guns.
[[Image:M2aircraft.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2 Aircraft heavy machine gun .50 BMG]]
[[File:RedTails_M2A_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The fifties on the P-40 firing.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2A_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The "Red Tails" with their new P-51Ds.]]
[[File:RedT 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A "Red Tail" splashes a German fighter.]]
[[File:RedTails_M2A_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_M2A_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==MG131 Machine Gun==
[[MG131 machine gun]]s appear in the film as the primary armament of German Messerschmitt Bf-109G fighters. Because it was much larger than the [[MG17 machine gun|MG17]], the MG131 required bulges in the engine cowling, which can be seen below.
[[Image:MG 131.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG131 13x64mm B]]
[[File:RT_ME109_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bulges can be seen forward of the cockpit.]]
[[File:RedTails_MG131_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_MG131_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The German fighters all appear to belong to Jagdgeschwader 3 "Udet" (note the stylized "U" emblem near the cockpit.)]]
[[File:RedTails_MG131_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==MG 151/20 cannon==
The Bf-109Gs in the film are also armed with [[MG 151 cannon|MG151/20 cannon]]s, seen in the underwing gondolas.
[[Image:MG-151.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MG 151 aircraft automatic cannon 15x96mm or 20x82mm]]
[[File:RedT 18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MG 151's are in the underwing gondolas.]]
[[File:RedTails_MG151_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The underwing gondolas, which could be easily detached, imposed weight and drag penalties, which were an acceptable trade-off if intercepting bombers. It is unlikely that they'd be used against fighters though.]]

==MK 108 cannon==
The German Me-262 jets are armed with four [[MK 108 cannon]]s in the nose. Bf-109s were also armed with a single MK 108 Motorkanone firing through the propeller hub. Tests verified that only four hits from an MK 108 were necessary to take down a bomber. With an Me-262, that's a single salvo.
[[Image:MK108.JPG|thumb|none|350px|MK 108 cannon 30mm]]
[[File:RT_ME262_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gun ports for the MK 108 cannons in the nose of this doomed Me-262.]]
[[File:RedTails_MK108_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Motorkanone of an Bf-109 blazing.]]
[[File:RedTails_MK108_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Me-262 firing its' MK 108 cannons]]
[[File:RedTails_MK108_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Small Arms=

== M1911A1 ==
The pilots of the 332nd Fighter Group carry [[M1911A1]] pistols as part of their flight gear.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[File:RedT 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:RedTails_M1911_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Lightning" ([[David Oyelowo]]) with his holstered M1911A1.]]

==Luger P08==
The German officer (Richard Conti) at the prison camp draws what may be a [[Luger P08]] when he discovers the escape.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm. This is blank adapted movie gun.]]
[[File:RedTails_P08_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== M1 Garand ==
The [[M1 Garand]] is also one of the weapons carried by American troops storming a beach. German troops are also seen armed with them.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M1 Garand .30-06]]
[[File:RedT 10.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:RedTails_M1G_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luftwaffe airmen prepare their airbase against air attack.]]
[[File:RedT 21.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier runs with an M1 Garand as an airfield is attacked. Note the fake "German" halftrack; as in ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'' this is a postwar Czech clone, identifiable by the lack of stowage boxes above the tracks.]]
[[File:RedTails_M1G_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Since the airman on the right appears to be trying to work a non-existing bolt action, it's possible that these men are CGI.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==
German forces are seen using the [[Karabiner 98k]] to fire at the American planes.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm]]
[[File:RedTails_K98k_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedT 11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier aims his Karabiner 98k at a pair of attacking P-40's]]
[[File:RedTails_K98k_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Pretty Boy" ([[Lars van Riesen]]) with a K98k after the attack.]]
[[File:RedTails_K98k_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== MP40 ==
German troops are armed with [[MP40]]s
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[File:RedTails_MP40_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_MP40_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German troops rush to capture a downed pilot.]]
[[File:RedTails_MP40_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_MP40_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A camp guard with his MP40.]]

== M1919A4 ==
A [[Browning M1919A4]] is seen when the American troops land on the beach. A German Ju-87 dive bomber also appears to have one in lieu of an [[MG15 machine gun]].
[[Image:M1919A4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1919A4 - .30-06 Springfield]]
[[File:RedTails_M1919_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M1919 on a landing craft.]]
[[File:RedTails_M1919_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M1919 in the rear defensive position of the Ju-87.]]

==Browning Automatic Rifle==
The [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] is one of the weapons carried by American troops storming a beach.
[[Image:BAR.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Browning Automatic Rifle]]
[[File:RedT 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==MG34==
[[MG34]] machine guns are seen in twin mounts at the German airbase.
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]
[[File:RedTails_MG34_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The twin MG34 in a control tower.]]
[[File:RedTails_K98k_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_AA2_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another twin mounting on a German ship.]]

==Kampfpistole Z==
An American airman signals from a control tower with a [[Kampfpistole Z]].
[[Image:Walther_Kampfpistole.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Kampfpistole Z - 27mm]]
[[File:RedTails_flare_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_flare_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Other=
==2 cm Flak 38 ==
Germans troops are seen firing [[2 cm Flak 38 ]] anti-aircraft guns.
[[Image:Flak38single.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German 2 cm Flak 38 in single mounting - 20x138mm B]]
[[File:RedT 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|These are fitted with mesh brass catchers.]]
[[File:RedTails_Flak38_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_Flak38_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_Flak38_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This shot appears to be flipped.]]

==8.8cm FlaK 36==

An 8.8cm heavy anti-aircraft / anti tank gun can be seen as American P-40s attack an air base. This appears to have a two-piece FlaK 36 barrel, though it is unclear which model of gun cradle it is using.

[[Image:FlaK36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German FlaK 36 (note two-piece barrel with locking collar) - 88x571mm R]]
[[Image:RedT_11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_88_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==PLDvK vzor 53==
The German cruiser, which is referred to a destroyer in the film, defends itself with PLDvK vzor 53 AA guns. The PLDvK vzor 53 is a land-based Czechoslovakian 30mm AA gun.
[[File:RedTails_AA2_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_AA2_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_cruiser_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The ship itself. The armament and shape of the hull and superstructure would suggest that it's a cruiser, though it is an entirely fictional design.]]

=Trivia=
==CZ-75B==
[[Ne-Yo]], who plays "Smokey," fires a [[CZ-75B]] during a boot camp featurette.
[[Image:CZ-75B.jpg|thumb|none|300px|CZ 75B - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:RedTails_CZ75B_S01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Prop AA guns==
Prop AA guns are part of the German airfield defenses.
[[File:RedTails_AA_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:RedTails_AA_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Faux B-17F==
Most of the CGI B-17s in the film were of the G-model, including some with the Bendix chin turret removed and plated over to portray F-models.
[[File:RedTails_B17F_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

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Taken (2008)

2014-05-23T20:03:20Z

Stickie: /* Heckler & Koch MP5K */ Corrected minor mistake

[[Image:Takenmovieposter.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Taken (2008)'']]

'''''Taken''''' is a 2008 thriller starring [[Liam Neeson]] as a former CIA operative who discovers that his daughter has been kidnapped in Paris and must find her before she disappears into the sex trafficking trade. The film was directed by Pierre Morrel (''[[From Paris with Love]]'') from a screenplay by [[Luc Besson]] and Robert Mark Kamen. A [[Taken 2|sequel]] was released in 2012.

{{Film Title}}
__TOC__ 
=Handguns=
==Beretta 92FS==
Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) takes a custom two tone [[Beretta 92FS]] off of a prostitute trafficker and uses it when escaping from the facility at the construction site. Presumably he leaves it when he abandons the SUV.
[[Image:Beretta92FS 2ToneType01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Two Tone with stainless-steel Slide and black barrel - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenBerettaTutone-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A prostitute trafficker armed with a Two Tone Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:TakenBerettaTutone-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) fires the Two Tone Beretta 92FS at the slavers.]]
[[Image:TakenBerettaTutone-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) fires the Two Tone Beretta 92FS.]]

When Bryan later confronts the slaver he "spoke" with on the phone, he kills several of his men and takes one of their factory black [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols, which he uses for a good duration of the film.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenBeretta92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) fires his Beretta 92FS while pinned under a human shield.]]
[[Image:TakenBeretta92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) fires the Beretta at the slavers.]]
[[Image:TakenBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) shows off his skills shooting left handed as well.]]
[[Image:TakenBeretta92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) holds his Beretta 92FS on
Ali ([[Jalil Naciri]]) when forcing him to buy his daughter in an auction.]]

==Taurus Millennium Pro==
When Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) infiltrates a party held by the slavers, one of the men who captures him carries a black [[Taurus Millennium Pro PT111]], which he takes and uses until it runs empty.
[[Image:TaurusPT111MilleniumProBlack.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Taurus Millennium Pro PT111 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan forces a guard to shoot himself with his Taurus Millennium Pro PT111.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan kills the guard with his own gun.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan searches the guard for keys to his cuffs.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note how "MILLENNIUM PRO" can be read on the slide.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the Millennium Pro at the lead slaver.]]

Ali ([[Jalil Naciri]]) carries a stainless [[Taurus Millennium Pro PT145]] while on the boat, which is taken by Bryan ([[Liam Neeson]]), who uses it during the climax.
[[Image:TaurusMillenniumProSS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Taurus Millennium Pro PT145 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumProTutone-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ali draws his Taurus PT145 on the boat.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumProTutone-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alifires his Taurus PT145 at Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumProTutone-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The PT145 is knocked away from him as he fights with Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumProTutone-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan aims the PT145 at Sheik Raman.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) takes a factory two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P226]] off of a guard on the boat and uses it until it runs dry.
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone03.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer two-tone P226 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Taken-20080923042420301 640w.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills with a SIG-Sauer P226 two-tone in a publicity photo.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP226tutone-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard armed with a SIG-Sauer P226.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP226tutone-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan kills one of the Sheikh's guards at close range with the SIG-Sauer P226. The grip of the SIG-Sauer GSR, taken from another guard, is visible in his waist.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP226tutone-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the P226 at a guard.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP226tutone-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan tosses away the empty P226.]]

==SIG-Sauer GSR==
One of the Arab guards on the boat carries a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#SIG-Sauer GSR|SIG-Sauer GSR]], which is taken by Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) until it runs dry.
[[Image:SIG-Sauer GSR M1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer GSR - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Arab guard searches the boat with his SIG-Sauer GSR at the ready.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard enters the room, seconds before being disarmed by Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan aims the SIG-Sauer GSR while hiding behind the couch.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the GSR under the coach at a guard's feet.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the GSR at a guard.]]

==SIG-Sauer P239==
Jean-Claude ([[Olivier Rabourdin]]) retrieves an older model [[SIG-Sauer P239]] from under the sink in his bathroom when Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) comes to his house and holds it on him at the dinner table. When Bryan reveals that he has already found and unloaded the gun, Jean Claude tries to shoot him, and has the ammunition thrown in his face, while being chastised for not recognizing the weight difference between a loaded and unloaded gun after being behind a desk so long.
[[File:SIG P239 9MM BLK.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P239 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP229-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jean-Claude takes a SIG-Sauer P239 out from under his bathroom sink.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP229-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jean-Claude holds the SIG-Sauer P239 on Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP229-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jean-Claude's wife looks on in horror.]]

==M1911A1==
Anton ([[Radivoje Bukvic]]), one of the Albanian slavers in Paris uses a nickel plated [[M1911A1]] to fire at Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) after he steals a girl from the facility.
[[Image:NickelM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nickel plated M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TakenM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Anton pursues Bryan while holding a nickel M1911A1. It appears to be fitted with imitation ivory grips.]]
[[Image:TakenM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Anton fires his M1911A1 at Bryan.]]
[[Image:RadivojeBukvic.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Anton fires his M1911A1 at Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenM1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several other thugs are seen using M1911A1s at different points in the film.]]

==Glock 17==
The bodyguard of Patrice St-Clair who fails to kill Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) "quietly" is seen using a [[Glock 17]]. It is likely a rubber prop, since it is never fired and quickly thrown away.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenGlock17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Albanian thugs is burned by steam from a pipe while holding a Glock 17.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
When Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) confronts the Albanian slavers in the apartment building, one of them tries to draw a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] from the small of his back, but is soon killed by Bryan.
[[Image:S&W5906EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 5906 Early model - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenS&W5906-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Albanian slaver tries to draw an early model Smith & Wesson 5906 from the small of his back.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==
Several slavers in the film are seen using [[SIG-Sauer P228]] pistols.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|370px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP228-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A slaver fires a SIG-Sauer P228 at Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP228-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A slaver gets shot by Bryan in the apartment building while armed with a P228.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
The Arab guards on the boat are armed mainly with [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]]s with the foregrips removed. Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) disarms a guard of one and briefly uses it until it runs empty.
[[Image:MP5KModified.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5K with SEF trigger group and forward handguards removed - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Albanian Guard searches the boat armed with a Heckler & Koch MP5K with an SEF trigger group with the foregrip removed.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same guard seen in a mirror.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two guards with Heckler & Koch MP5Ks.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on a dead guard's radio with his MP5K at his side. Note SEF trigger group.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard fires his MP5K at Bryan.]]
[[Image:MP5KA3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5KN - updated with the Navy Trigger Group - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan steals a guard's MP5K and uses it to shoot him through the door. This MP5K has a Navy trigger group, making it an MP5KN.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the MP5KN at Ali (Jalil Naciri).]]

==IMI Micro Uzi==
One of the Arab guards on the boat is seen using an [[Micro Uzi|IMI Micro Uzi]] with a folding stock and a suppressor before being shot through a door window by Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]).
[[Image:MicroUziPistolStock.jpg|thumb|none|370px|IMI Micro Uzi with folding stock - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard looks through a door window with his IMI Micro Uzi at the ready before being shot by Bryan.]]

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 590==
One of Jean-Claude's ([[Olivier Rabourdin]]) men is seen using a [[Mossberg 590]] when trying to arrest Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) on the rooftops.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 590 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:TakenShotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Jean-Claude's cops with a Mossberg 590. The shot is blurry, but note the shape of the magazine tube cap.]]

=Rifles=
==Custom AKMS==
One of the slavers at the facility fires at Bryan Mills' ([[Liam Neeson]]) car with a custom shortened [[AKMS]], which has also been seen in films such as ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' and ''[[Rambo (2008)]]''.
[[Image:AKMSPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom shortened AKMS - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:TakenAKMS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A slaver fires a shortened AKMS at Bryan.]]

==IMI Galil SAR==
One of the slavers at the facility fires at Bryan Mills' ([[Liam Neeson]]) car with an [[Galil#Galil SAR|IMI Galil SAR]] rifle.
[[Image:Galil-SAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|IMI Galil SAR - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:TakenFNFNCPara-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A slaver fires an IMI Galil SAR at Bryan.]]

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[[Category:Thriller]]
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[[Category:French Produced/Filmed]]
[[Category: Luc Besson]]

Taken (2008)

2014-05-23T20:01:11Z

Stickie: /* SIG-Sauer P239 */ Corrected minor mistake (related to the plot, not the guns.)

[[Image:Takenmovieposter.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Taken (2008)'']]

'''''Taken''''' is a 2008 thriller starring [[Liam Neeson]] as a former CIA operative who discovers that his daughter has been kidnapped in Paris and must find her before she disappears into the sex trafficking trade. The film was directed by Pierre Morrel (''[[From Paris with Love]]'') from a screenplay by [[Luc Besson]] and Robert Mark Kamen. A [[Taken 2|sequel]] was released in 2012.

{{Film Title}}
__TOC__ 
=Handguns=
==Beretta 92FS==
Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) takes a custom two tone [[Beretta 92FS]] off of a prostitute trafficker and uses it when escaping from the facility at the construction site. Presumably he leaves it when he abandons the SUV.
[[Image:Beretta92FS 2ToneType01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Two Tone with stainless-steel Slide and black barrel - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenBerettaTutone-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A prostitute trafficker armed with a Two Tone Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:TakenBerettaTutone-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) fires the Two Tone Beretta 92FS at the slavers.]]
[[Image:TakenBerettaTutone-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) fires the Two Tone Beretta 92FS.]]

When Bryan later confronts the slaver he "spoke" with on the phone, he kills several of his men and takes one of their factory black [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols, which he uses for a good duration of the film.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenBeretta92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) fires his Beretta 92FS while pinned under a human shield.]]
[[Image:TakenBeretta92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) fires the Beretta at the slavers.]]
[[Image:TakenBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) shows off his skills shooting left handed as well.]]
[[Image:TakenBeretta92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) holds his Beretta 92FS on
Ali ([[Jalil Naciri]]) when forcing him to buy his daughter in an auction.]]

==Taurus Millennium Pro==
When Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) infiltrates a party held by the slavers, one of the men who captures him carries a black [[Taurus Millennium Pro PT111]], which he takes and uses until it runs empty.
[[Image:TaurusPT111MilleniumProBlack.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Taurus Millennium Pro PT111 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan forces a guard to shoot himself with his Taurus Millennium Pro PT111.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan kills the guard with his own gun.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan searches the guard for keys to his cuffs.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note how "MILLENNIUM PRO" can be read on the slide.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumPro-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the Millennium Pro at the lead slaver.]]

Ali ([[Jalil Naciri]]) carries a stainless [[Taurus Millennium Pro PT145]] while on the boat, which is taken by Bryan ([[Liam Neeson]]), who uses it during the climax.
[[Image:TaurusMillenniumProSS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Taurus Millennium Pro PT145 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumProTutone-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ali draws his Taurus PT145 on the boat.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumProTutone-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alifires his Taurus PT145 at Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumProTutone-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The PT145 is knocked away from him as he fights with Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenTaurusMilleniumProTutone-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan aims the PT145 at Sheik Raman.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) takes a factory two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P226]] off of a guard on the boat and uses it until it runs dry.
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone03.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer two-tone P226 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Taken-20080923042420301 640w.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan Mills with a SIG-Sauer P226 two-tone in a publicity photo.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP226tutone-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard armed with a SIG-Sauer P226.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP226tutone-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan kills one of the Sheikh's guards at close range with the SIG-Sauer P226. The grip of the SIG-Sauer GSR, taken from another guard, is visible in his waist.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP226tutone-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the P226 at a guard.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP226tutone-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan tosses away the empty P226.]]

==SIG-Sauer GSR==
One of the Arab guards on the boat carries a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#SIG-Sauer GSR|SIG-Sauer GSR]], which is taken by Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) until it runs dry.
[[Image:SIG-Sauer GSR M1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer GSR - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Arab guard searches the boat with his SIG-Sauer GSR at the ready.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard enters the room, seconds before being disarmed by Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan aims the SIG-Sauer GSR while hiding behind the couch.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the GSR under the coach at a guard's feet.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGRevolution-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the GSR at a guard.]]

==SIG-Sauer P239==
Jean-Claude ([[Olivier Rabourdin]]) retrieves an older model [[SIG-Sauer P239]] from under the sink in his bathroom when Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) comes to his house and holds it on him at the dinner table. When Bryan reveals that he has already found and unloaded the gun, Jean Claude tries to shoot him, and has the ammunition thrown in his face, while being chastised for not recognizing the weight difference between a loaded and unloaded gun after being behind a desk so long.
[[File:SIG P239 9MM BLK.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P239 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP229-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jean-Claude takes a SIG-Sauer P239 out from under his bathroom sink.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP229-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jean-Claude holds the SIG-Sauer P239 on Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP229-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jean-Claude's wife looks on in horror.]]

==M1911A1==
Anton ([[Radivoje Bukvic]]), one of the Albanian slavers in Paris uses a nickel plated [[M1911A1]] to fire at Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) after he steals a girl from the facility.
[[Image:NickelM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nickel plated M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TakenM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Anton pursues Bryan while holding a nickel M1911A1. It appears to be fitted with imitation ivory grips.]]
[[Image:TakenM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Anton fires his M1911A1 at Bryan.]]
[[Image:RadivojeBukvic.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Anton fires his M1911A1 at Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenM1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several other thugs are seen using M1911A1s at different points in the film.]]

==Glock 17==
The bodyguard of Patrice St-Clair who fails to kill Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) "quietly" is seen using a [[Glock 17]]. It is likely a rubber prop, since it is never fired and quickly thrown away.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenGlock17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Albanian thugs is burned by steam from a pipe while holding a Glock 17.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
When Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) confronts the Albanian slavers in the apartment building, one of them tries to draw a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] from the small of his back, but is soon killed by Bryan.
[[Image:S&W5906EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 5906 Early model - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenS&W5906-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Albanian slaver tries to draw an early model Smith & Wesson 5906 from the small of his back.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==
Several slavers in the film are seen using [[SIG-Sauer P228]] pistols.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|370px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP228-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A slaver fires a SIG-Sauer P228 at Bryan.]]
[[Image:TakenSIGP228-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A slaver gets shot by Bryan in the apartment building while armed with a P228.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
The Arab guards on the boat are armed mainly with [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]]s with the foregrips removed. Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) disarms a guard of one and briefly uses it until it runs empty.
[[Image:MP5KModified.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5K with SEF trigger group and forward handguards removed - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Albanian Guard searches the boat armed with a Heckler & Koch MP5K with an SEF trigger group with the foregrip removed.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same guard seen in a mirror.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two guards with Heckler & Koch MP5Ks.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on a dead guard's radio with his MP5K at his side. Note SEF trigger group.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard fires his MP5K at Bryan.]]
[[Image:MP5KA3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5KN - updated with the Navy Trigger Group - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan steals a guard's MP5K and uses it to shoot him through the door. This MP5K has a Navy trigger group, making it an MP5KN.]]
[[Image:TakenMP5K-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bryan fires the MP5KN at Anton ([[Radivoje Bukvic]]).]]

==IMI Micro Uzi==
One of the Arab guards on the boat is seen using an [[Micro Uzi|IMI Micro Uzi]] with a folding stock and a suppressor before being shot through a door window by Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]).
[[Image:MicroUziPistolStock.jpg|thumb|none|370px|IMI Micro Uzi with folding stock - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TakenMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard looks through a door window with his IMI Micro Uzi at the ready before being shot by Bryan.]]

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 590==
One of Jean-Claude's ([[Olivier Rabourdin]]) men is seen using a [[Mossberg 590]] when trying to arrest Bryan Mills ([[Liam Neeson]]) on the rooftops.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 590 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:TakenShotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Jean-Claude's cops with a Mossberg 590. The shot is blurry, but note the shape of the magazine tube cap.]]

=Rifles=
==Custom AKMS==
One of the slavers at the facility fires at Bryan Mills' ([[Liam Neeson]]) car with a custom shortened [[AKMS]], which has also been seen in films such as ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' and ''[[Rambo (2008)]]''.
[[Image:AKMSPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom shortened AKMS - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:TakenAKMS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A slaver fires a shortened AKMS at Bryan.]]

==IMI Galil SAR==
One of the slavers at the facility fires at Bryan Mills' ([[Liam Neeson]]) car with an [[Galil#Galil SAR|IMI Galil SAR]] rifle.
[[Image:Galil-SAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|IMI Galil SAR - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:TakenFNFNCPara-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A slaver fires an IMI Galil SAR at Bryan.]]

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Talk:White House Down

2013-12-27T19:29:09Z

Stickie: /* Another rifle to add... */ new section

== Javelin ==
The cone on the back end of the tube isn't the right shape for a Javelin, not to mention a Javelin tube is much bigger around. It looks more like an AT4 to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:08, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
:Definitely not a Javelin. Based on the way he's holding it though, maybe an RPG-7? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:11, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
::That was not the shot I was referring to when I wrote it. The shot is actually the one where the Blackhawk is getting shot down (the M4A1 picture) where you can see a mercenary drop the launcher. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 21:22, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
:::That one does look like a Javelin launcher. The one the mercenaries used to fire at the Abram breaching the fence seems like a RPG.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] ([[User talk:Wildcards|talk]]) 03:29, 27 April 2013 (EDT)

Funny how they use the RPG against the most heavily-armored threat, yet use a weapon designed to kill Main Battle Tanks against a lightly-armored aircraft. Talk about not doing proper research. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] ([[User talk:Orca1 9904|talk]]) 22:03, 9 July 2013 (EDT)

They also mention the javelin being an AA launcher,and anyway can an RPG take and abrams out so well , I mean I know it can take the threads of, but a frontal shot?--[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:35, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Better question: How is he supposed to stand on the White House roof with an RPG and ''not'' get shot instantly? There's hundreds of armed soldiers, plus the tank, in view. Why doesn't he get shot?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 13:29, 5 November 2013 (EST)

== Broken APC9 ==
What happened to that poor thing? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:20, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

== Blackhawk ==

Is that burning MH-60 fitted with tiny Sidewinders? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:44, 5 November 2013 (EST)
[[File:WHD 811.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackhawk helicopters appear to have FN [[M240|M240D]] machine guns mounted as door guns. ]]
[[File:WHD 808.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The door machine gun appears to be an M240D.]]
:...Yes..the MH-60 has a bunch of Sidewinders for absolutely no reason. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:43, 5 November 2013 (EST)
::It's supposed to be the MH-60L DAP, but that model only used AIM-92 Stingers or Hellfire missiles in real life. Coincidentally, the MH-60s in Olympus has Fallen were also DAP models. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 18:23, 5 November 2013 (EST)

[[Image:WhiteHouseDown-M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mercenaries armed with customized M4A1 rifles (circled in red).]]

== SIG P250 ==

Anybody else think this looks more like a [[SIG-Sauer P250]] than a [[SIG-Sauer P229R]]? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] 2:21, 23 November 2013 (MST)

[[File:WHD-P229-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the ovular nature at the bottom of the grip, as well as the slide serrations, too short to be from a P229. Also, if you look carefully, there's no visible hammer.]]

:Actually, yes. Particularly a P250 Compact. I just watched this film, I thought it was pretty okay. Olympus was better, though, but that just my opinion. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 05:10, 23 November 2013 (EST)

:You are both right, so I've edited the page. I actually liked White House Down more than Olympus Has Fallen, I feel like the former was way more fun than the latter and had better production values. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 23:26, 23 November 2013 (EST)

==Nitpicks==
Watching this movie for the first time, there was 2 things that I thought was a bit off in certain characters. One is the dressed Marines escorting the president to the bunker. He got his hands on an M16 or maybe in his guard duties, it was the weapon he was issued sure but why was it not at the ready? All the way to his death, he was carrying the rifle in a like he's marching with it and not you...at the ready, defending the president. It just bothered me a bit. If it wasn't loaded and he's carrying it to show off as a guard, then why is he still carrying it? The second thing is Agent Walker's personal sidearm a Beretta and it was a bit off to me as to why even an old agent would carry it unless he wanted a clean weapon to use during the attack but that didn't make any sense. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:23, 24 November 2013 (EST)

:All excellent points. As a person who has studied the Secret Service extensively, I found both ''White House Down'' and ''Olympus Has Fallen'' to be rather lacking in accuracy. ''Olympus Has Fallen'' had (for the most part) the correct weapons for the Secret Service, and had a lot more agents who actually fought back, but had poor special effects and CGI. Whereas '''White House Down'' had better sets and props, but inaccuracies in the weapons used and the offhanded ease with which the mercenaries mowed down the agents and officers seemed ridiculous. For the record, these are currently the actual weapons used by the Secret Service:

*SIG-Sauer P229 semi-automatic pistol, 12-round magazine, .357 SIG hollowpoint (standard sidearm for all agents and Uniformed Division officers)
*Remington Model 870 pump-action shotgun, 6 shells, 12-gauge 00 buckshot or steel slugs
*H&K MP5A3 submachine gun, 30-round magazines (dual magged), iron sites, 9mm hollowpoint
*FN P90 submachine gun, 50-round box magazine, EOTech holographic sites, 5.7x28 mm FMJ (favored by the Emergency Response Team)
*KAC SR-16 assault carbine, 30-round magazines (dual magged), ACOG scopes, 5.56x45mm NATO FMJ (favored by the Counter-Assault Team)
*Remington Model 700PSS bolt-action sniper rifle, 6 rounds, specially-modified Leupold scopes, .300 WinMag FMJ (Countersniper Support Unit)
*KAC SR-25 semi-automatic sniper rifle, 20-round box magazine, specially-modified Leupold scopes, 7.62x51mm NATO FMJ (Countersniper Support Unit)

:The one thing that bugs me more than anything is seeing an agent with an MP5K. The Secret Service has never used the "K", only the "-A3". It's only in movies and TV shows that agents are armed with the MP5K. --[[User:US Secret Service|US Secret Service]] ([[User talk:US Secret Service|talk]]) 13:21, 25 November 2013 (EST)

::A couple of things to add about that weapon list. Firstly, in every image I can find of Secret Service with P90s or SR-16s they are both fitted with Aimpoint CompM2s or CompM3s, rather than EOTechs or ACOGs. Secondly, the sniper rifles used are not Remington 700PSSs. Although built on a Remington long action they are custom built rifles with Schneider barrels in McMillan stocks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 14:18, 25 November 2013 (EST)

:::You're probably right...I'm not exactly a weapons expert...the scopes and attachments were just my best guess. I always assumed that the CS Unit carried Remington 700s, 'cause that was what they looked like to me (although I did note that the barrels of their custom rifles were silver, not black). I do know that they sometimes refer to them as "JAR"s for "just another rifle". --[[User:US Secret Service|US Secret Service]] ([[User talk:US Secret Service|talk]]) 14:56, 25 November 2013 (EST)

:::: According to the Blu-ray featurette, the rifles were Remington 700 actions fitted in the Strike Dual stocks. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 00:25, 26 November 2013 (EST)

== Another rifle to add... ==

I spotted a short barreled AR-15 of some sort (guessing Mk-18) held by one of the soldiers on the White House lawn during the ending / wrap up scene. Unfortunately I don't have the means to screencap it right now but for anyone who does, listen for the dialog cue: "Did you see my routine?" , "Yeah, I'm so proud of you. You were beautiful baby." and watch for one soldier walking behind Channing Tatum from left to right, and another standing in front of the wrecked helicopter.
There could well be more of them lurking in some background scenes but those are the only ones I'm sure I saw.
Happy Christmas all --S
[[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 14:29, 27 December 2013 (EST)

Talk:Battlefield 4

2013-12-01T12:02:59Z

Stickie: /* Burst Fire - Why do so many games get it so WRONG? */ new section

== Leaks ==

http://www.overclock.net/t/1375494/neogaf-leaked-bf4-screens
Looks like M249E3 and M4(?) with MoH:WF influence.
[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 22:44, 26 March 2013 (EDT)

== 17-minute gameplay ==

The first 17 minutes of gameplay have been released now. I've added myself some guns in the page and if someone thinks some guns are wrong, feel free to change it since I'm still a novice when it comes to identify guns in games. [[User:Santos|Santos]] ([[User talk:Santos|talk]]) 10:26, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8HVQXkeU8U

== Shorty shotgun ==

The shorty shotgun could also be the same breacher-configured 870 MCS from ''Warfighter''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:03, 27 March 2013 (EDT)

== M249E3 Para SAW / Mk 46 Mod 0 Hybrid ==

Do you guys think that the machine gun Irish is carrying it's actually a hybrid between a M249E3 Para SAW and a Mk 46 Mod 0? I've watched the gameplay video a couple times and I can't really see it the machine gun has a STANAG well under the belt to see that is a cross between the two weapons. For the time being I just added the machine gun to the page as an Mk 46 Mod 0, although I'm not sure if you can change its fixed stock for a collapsible and still call it an Mk 46 Mod 0. Here is a picture to take a look that I took from the Battlefield 4 site. [[User:Santos|Santos]] ([[User talk:Santos|talk]]) 09:17, 29 March 2013 (EDT) 
[[File:bf4 m249.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
:It has a conventional M249 barrel and carry handle, both things lacked by the MK46. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:13, 29 March 2013 (EDT)
::The Mod 1 variant restores the carry handle and barrels are interchangeable. The only telling features that distinguish an M249 from a Mk 46 are the magazine well (which we can't determine since no images of the left side of the gun are provided) and the vehicle mounting lug, which the in-game gun noticeably lacks. This could very well be a true Mk 46, for once. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:13, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

:Also on the picture above Pac has an M4A1, it's seen in the gamplay trailer too. --[[User:Gr3gory|Gr3gory]] ([[User talk:Gr3gory|talk]]) 03:29, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

== Vehicle Mounted HMG ==

At 6.58 in the gameplay video, when Record engages the buggy with the Serbu Super Shorty, you see the HMG mounted above it. Is it a Dushka?
I'm rubbish with the whole screen-shot thing so I won't attempt that. It has just been bothering me. Thanks. --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] ([[User talk:Ritch|talk]]) 05:47, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

It's most likely a Kord HMG, just guessing from Russian vehicle armorments in previous games.--[[User:AK-74Fan|AK-74Fan]] ([[User talk:AK-74Fan|talk]]) 12:01, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

Ahh right thanks! I have to admit, I am absolute rubbish at ID-ing HMG's. --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] ([[User talk:Ritch|talk]]) 10:52, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

== Have they learned their lessons from Battlefield 3? ==

Looking over the BF3 discussion page, I'm driven to wonder if DICE has learned their lessons from BF3's lifetime and are going to make this game better (at least with respect to emulating real-life firearms). I'd like to think they will--this website's popularity is rising, so more people are aware of DICE's shortcomings when it comes to realistic firearms than before. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 14:24, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

This could be because I'm SP-centric (and BF3 has been shelved since ''Warfighter'' came out), but the only weapon-related "shortcoming" I felt BF3 had was the use of M240Bs and so-called "M16A3s" (which I still have yet to see convincing proof is a flat top receiver when all the ''official'' sources say it's the same thing it was when first adopted--a fixed carry handle A2 upper) by the Marines. MP probably has more I'm either unaware of or have forgotten, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:04, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

:This is a pic of an M16A3 built under license by FN, I imagine that one could just slap an A4 upper on it and you have a flattop AR: [http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/untitled5cb1.jpg M16A3] --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 11:08, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

::I've seen that one before. Changing a major component like that makes it ''not'' an M16A3 because it doesn't adhere to the military's A3 specification, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:33, 3 April 2013 (EDT)

:Gonna have to agree. DICE have been very accurate with weapon characteristics in BF3, give or take a few things. In comparison to other FPS, BF3 already stood head and shoulders above. Fire selectors and bolt releases were missing, along with certain Only Warfighter has had the hyper-realism I've always been looking for (except for AK variants, but I don't mind >.>), and I'm sure DICE will bring at least some of that back into BF4. --[[User:Wahsahbi|Wahsahbi]] ([[User talk:Wahsahbi|talk]]) 20:45, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

== More weapons shown ==

Some new pics show the weapon loadout screens but they're watermarked to hell and back.

http://i.imgur.com/Ef1eymph.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m6NUETrh.jpg

CZ-805

Beretta M9

Scorpion EVO A3

Magpul PDR-C

QBZ-95

Type 88 LMG

QSZ-92

SV-98

QBU-88

Scout Elite

Ultimax 100 Mk5
[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 06:00, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

The Czechnology seems to be getting around.But oh great, 4 classes...again. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:24, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

:I don't know about you, but I think it would be hard to snipe with no arms. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 21:59, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

The Ak5c and the Saiga can be added to the page right now. They are seen in the new "Angry Sea" video. I also caught a fleeting glimpse of what looked to be the H&K XM25 launcher during the E3 live stream. [[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] ([[User talk:GLOCK10mm|talk]]) 17:15, 10 June 2013 (EDT)

I think the Magpul PDR-C is just a placeholder for the Scorpion EVO A3--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 12:50, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

== E3 footage ==

Now that EA has shown some new footage of Battlefield 4 during this year E3, some new weapon appear on the video. [[User:Santos|Santos]] ([[User talk:Santos|talk]]) 15:26, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

Singleplayer 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEZhbV9s1Ag

Multiplayer 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJY7n8KaOY
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjSykcTGrNc
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgZTeVnM5Sw

Saw this on the BF wiki, during the counter knife sequence, "Press F to pickup P90" can be seen.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130611030437/battlefield/images/thumb/1/1c/Knifecounter.png/640px-Knifecounter.png
[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:07, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

:Good catch there! You can see P90 (along with a QB series weapon on the right) more clearly in this screenshot: http://images.wikia.com/battlefield/images/1/1d/Siege_of_Shanghai_1.jpg --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 17:08, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Also saw an XM-25 in June 12 livestream http://gyazo.com/ec33d8c85bc8c3c981fde636cc1a3ffe.png [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:45, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

== Kel Tec RFB ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-cJhOCd7GY

Also the text here says QBZ-95-1 but the 5.56A-91 image is subbed in: http://imgur.com/a/oBF5P#6nlAhND
[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 14:04, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

YES! FINALLY! I've been waiting for a RFB, and in battlefield no less![[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] ([[User talk:GLOCK10mm|talk]]) 23:08, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

:That photo album also confirms the QSZ-92, which isn't a surprise, but it's nice to see there's at least one new pistol. I hope it's the 5.8mm, 20-round version for the sake of variety. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 03:18, 17 June 2013 (EDT)

== 40mm vs. Havoc in Baku ==

"Gee, I really wish I had a 40mm ''before'' that helicopter blew everything up. Oh, wait, I did."--[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]]) 08:35, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

Wrecker was a ''little'' busy avoiding being turned into salsa by the helicopter. Probably didn't want to spend much time trying to line up a shot to the cockpit with a grenade launcher. Even if he were firing HEDP grenades like the M433 or even the new "HELLHOUND" grenade, I seriously doubt he could have stopped a Havoc with a grenade - unless he happened to hit it right in the cockpit with it. The opportunity to do just that doesn't happen until the thing comes down to the deck to finish off the car. (Pilot got cocky I guess. Well, his canopy ''can'' stop rifle rounds, guess he figured he was okay.) [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] ([[User talk:Atypicaloracle|talk]]) 06:42, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

== Alpha Code Leak ==
Here's the link: http://pastebin.com/MX9mBuzJ
I'll post what's relevant, though the it can be a bit confusing at times. The Starstreak, a British MANPADS with three mini-missiles that launch after the main missile reaches max speed, will be in. Both the M15 and M34 smoke grenades are mentioned. We already knew about the MBT LAW, right? M82A3 (yes!), FAMAS, M40A5, 870, UMP, OMFG-148 Javelin. The XM25 will have both standard airburst, and smoke airburst grenades. The M320 has the same four ammo types as BF3, with the addition of 40mm flashbangs. In the optics section, there's a "visionking", even though the model can't be known yet, I bet it's the 20x scope. There are 1x, 3x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 20x, and 40x scopes, as well as "ugl", which is likely just the M320's sights. I think the 8x is just a left over from BF3, as we know we're getting 6x and 20x options for sniper rifles, and the adjustable zoom attachment adds 14x to whichever you have, so 6x & 14x, or 14x & 20x. Since it sounds like th M82 will always have a scope and bipod, which means it's likely not customizable, I bet it will have to have a 40x scope at all times, as part of its balance. That's everything relevant to us that I could find. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:14, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

I've talked to an alpha player, said the Barrett is a stationary weapon if I'm not mistaken. Also saw the UTAS sight right before visionking.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:17, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

The Barrett ''should'' be a stationary weapon, not something you can run around all willy-nilly with. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:23, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

:Right, the UTAS, that's what I missed when writing this. From what I've read, the M82 is a pickup weapon that's on the map, like the Ceph weapons in Crysis 3. Per these stats it does 110 damage, has no damage drop over range, but roughly a five second reload. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:00, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

== Battlelog inventory screen ==

http://s22.postimg.org/unc6vxf1t/bf4.jpg

The latest Battlelog trailer showing all the apps and stuff had someone choosing their loadout. AK-12 featured prominently.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 16:55, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

Hm, I didn't know the FAMAS looked like a SCAR. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 13:27, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

:SAR-21? Cool! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:09, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

:@Pyramid, they've been using placeholder icons since the alpha.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 16:55, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

I hope to God the M16 isn't the A3 in final, also in the trailer we see an "M14A3", possible typo?[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 08:39, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

::That's definitely a typo for the M16A3. Also, it has to be in, the US needs a full-auto AR. And while some people here seem to think otherwise, there are two different rifles that got the "A3" designation, the first being a full-auto A2, the other being a full-auto A4. They have different Colt model numbers, but are both A3s as far as the military is concerned. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:37, 28 July 2013 (EDT)
:::The "M16A3" is so damn confusing. I am currently of the opinion that there are actually 3 different US military issue rifles that are all the A3. The first is the Colt made M16A2E3 which was introduced in 1992 I think. This had a standard A2 upper along with an A1 style lower (no A2 strengthening points) and was stamped A2E3. Then you have the M16A3 that was made after this that had an A2 style lower (but with burst replaced by auto and stamped as the M16A3) and an A2 upper. I think these were made from 1994 and all of these were made by FN, but not sure. Finally you have the debatable flat top upper one. Annoyingly, from Googling I can't find any pictures of this actually being used, but I am about 99% sure it exists. I believe that all of the M16A3s that were ordered post OIF are the flat top kind, and they are mainly a mix of FN and Sabre Defence made rifles. I remember seeing a picture of one of the Sabre Defence guns and it was flat top with a railed handguard, and as the order for 5000 or so M16A3s from them was in 2008, I would be amazed if the US military was buying any rifle without a sight rail then. Similarly, there have been orders from FN for the M16A3 as recently as 2010, and again I don't believe that they would still be buying carry handle uppers at this point. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:13, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
::::Found some proof that a flat top M16A3 exists in [http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk148/pezboytate/Firearms/m16a3sabredefense.jpg this] photo. It is a Sabre Defence Gun marked as M16A3, property of US Government, S/1/F selector, railed handguard and flat top A4 style upper receiver. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:37, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::Not an M16A3, it's just had parts swapped out. The A3 was an A2 with an S/1/F lower when it was adopted in the 90s and it remains this today. This was told to me by active duty US Navy SEAL just this morning. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 15:12, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
::::::Do you seriously think the US government would be buying an AR-15 platform without a flat top as late as 2010 (FN and Colt were awarded contracts including M16A3s in 2007, Sabre Defence got one in 2008, and FN got another in 2010)? I think the majority that are around are still the older A3s with the carry handle, but I think the newer ones like this have a flat top. Note that it has a Shot Show tag on it, I doubt that they would be showing off a random franken-gun at their booth as opposed to their newest government contract. [http://www.guns.com/reviews/sabre-defence-m16a3/ Here] is another photo of the Sabre Defence version showing the whole gun. I don't know if the contract was fully completed before Sabre Defence went belly up, however there has been a new contract with FN since this point, so can only assume that the FN guns would be built to the same or better spec than these as opposed to taking a step backwards. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:50, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::::To make things even more confusing, the picture in that link shows a flattop M16, but all the text and stats imply it has an A2 upper. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:29, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::::I don't know why they're still buying rifles in that configuration, but [http://seabeemagazine.navylive.dodlive.mil/2013/05/17/nmcb-5-undergoes-rifle-quals-in-okanawa/ they are]. I can swap out the upper receiver group and buttstock on an M4 to give it a 24" barrel and a PRS buttstock, would that make you think "new" M4s are being procured as DMRs instead of carbines? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 15:35, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
::::::::A few points. Firstly that doesn't say anything about what configuration the rifles that are currently built are in, just that there are rifles in the inventory that have the fixed carry handle. As I said before, I think the majority of rifles in circulation will have the A2 upper, it will only be the newest ones that have the A4 style ones. Secondly, if I had to guess I would say that those are not the newer guns made by FN or Sabre Defense. If you look at the finish it is gray, particularly when you compare it to the M4 which is in one of the photos which is much blacker in comparison. I believe that current FN and Sabre Defense guns (along with current Colt ones I think) have a black finish, whereas the gray was on older Colt guns. Lastly, I don't see what you are getting at with the last point about switching out the upper. Are you saying that people are doing this to M16A3s, or that the pictures of the Sabre Defense gun are a case of this? If the latter than I don't think this is the case, as firstly they are pictures provided by Sabre Defense to show off the fact they are (were) making M16A3s for the military so I doubt it would be a random cobbled together gun, particularly as it has the US Gov and M16A3 markings. Another thing to bear in mind, is that for these recent orders they were combined with orders for M16A4s. If they are making M16A4s I imagine it would be cheaper to be producing flat top A3s than carry handle ones, as the upper would be common between the two variants without having to tool up and run a whole separate production line. Again, I find it hard to believe that the Navy would pay more for something with less utility. Maybe the new ones do have a fixed carry handle, but to me it makes no logical sense why they would choose to do this, and from the evidence I can find the rifles that Sabre Defense made to the US Government spec had a flat top when they were made in 2008. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:37, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
:: SCAR-L or HK416 works fine imo, also the M4 will be all kit as a carbine so I'd rather not have the same game of Assault spam again.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:11, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

== MGL Reload ==
Someone added that you only reload three shells, but I think they were being loaded two at a time. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:08, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

== Character Model Images ==
I had heard a rumour that the P226 was going to be in, [http://bf4talk.com/threads/battlefield-4-characters-hd.606/ but this confirms it.] About time a we see a SIG in a game again. My gut tells me it will be the .40 version, to bridge the gap between the standard issue 9mms (plus the G17), and the M1911; it would be a perfect fit in both damage and mag size. I don't have a link, but there are a few guns built into the Alpha that people have found; the ones we didn't know about (other than the P226, which is the railed version) are the Mx4 Storm and CS/LR4. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:12, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

It could also be a simple holster stuffer, too. This is hardly proof that the gun will be usable. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 15:00, 30 July 2013 (EDT)

::The P226 was found in the files along with the Mx4 and CS/LR4, as dog tags. [http://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_4/comments/1h593e/heres_an_accurate_list_of_all_weaponsgadgets I found the sources.] [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:27, 30 July 2013 (EDT)

:::[http://i.imgur.com/DFMOy4p.jpg Here's] a leaked screenshot of the M82 from the Alpha. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:28, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

I don't think that character holding the LMG has enough American flags on his uniform. Jesus. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 06:15, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

== QBZ-95(-1?) and RPG-7 confirmed ==
Video from the Wintergore's channel (also shows the RPG-7):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzdSfV3e-VI

Video from the Levelcap's channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2F6B4Gtnhc

These are just a few videos that confirm the implementation of the QBZ-95 in BF4. Also Levelcap call it "QBZ-95-1", but I'm not sure that the rifle models are actually based on the newest QBZ-95 variant or they are just a modified version of the old QBB-95 models from BF3 ([[User:Lone Soldier|Lone Soldier]]) 9:36, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

:Here's a [http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654348580286883/ thread on Battlelog] that's compiled all of these clips that have been given to the community. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:11, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

== New Weapons ==
Remington 870, M40A5 (I'm assuming, I don't know exactly), the Hybrid M249 from the last Battlefield, AK-12, PKP Pecheneg, SV-98, Saiga 12k, QBZ-95 (unknown if it's the original or the QBZ-95-1) and the CS/LR4 are getting added
Proof:
http://images.wikia.com/battlefield/images/f/fe/Battlefield_4_American_Character_Models.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/battlefield/images/b/b2/Battlefield_4_Russian_Character_Models.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/battlefield/images/3/31/Battlefield_4_Chinese_Character_Models.jpg
---[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 08:53, 16 August 2013 (EDT)

*ok, so apparently I'm EXTREMELY tardy to the party.... My bad. --[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 12:46, 16 August 2013 (EDT)

:It's a QBZ-95-1 (QBZ-95G alternatively) for sure. PLA engineer also sports a QBS-09 semi automatic shotgun. However, as refreshing that is to see, I wag my finger in disappointment at the Russian medic who forgot to pack up appropriate VOG-25 grenades for his trip. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 08:21, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

::ok, so there are some new things in there, right? I didn't just waste everyone's time?--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 09:35, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

:::I'm pretty sure QBS-09 was never seen before in any official or unofficial Battlefield 4 material. Haven't really been following it around, but any news around that are desirable. Thanks for posting these photos. There's also the rocket/missile launcher on the PLA engineers back. I'm pretty sure that's new, considering Alpha footage assigned good ol' RPG-7 to the Chinese. It could just be a Strela again or it's Chinese derivative. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:28, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

PK Pecheneg is new. US assault has a Glock (17?) in his chest again. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:09, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

:I don't know. I'm pretty sure PKP appeared in the installment beforehand, just not as a starting weapon for the class/kit in question. I think it will be interesting seeing three faction and how they play off each other, even if they'll probably end up being just reskined versions of each other in terms of vehicles and starting weapons. Can anybody ID the shotgun US soldier is carrying. I was inclined to think it's [http://www.imfdb.org/images/e/e9/Remington_870MCS.jpg Remington 870MCS] just like in previous few installments and based on the over all shape, however the other two factions lug semi automatic shotguns. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:28, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

::I'd never even heard of the QBS-09 before, so thanks for the links :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:51, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

Same about the QBS, neat. I'm positive thats an 870MCS as in the previous installments, perhaps its a place holder though. Interesting if they have it both with the Serbu 870.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 01:02, 18 August 2013 (EDT)

:I'm pretty sure QBS-09 wasn't seen anywhere outside of the few official press releases. This is definitely the first appearance in entertainment media. Not even sure if it was adopted besides for a few selected units and possibly pushed for police service. It's refreshing to see a rarity like this crop up. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 07:45, 18 August 2013 (EDT)

::oh... So, I didn't waste everyone's time?--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 11:08, 18 August 2013 (EDT)

==Paracel Storm Trailer==
HOLY CRAP. aside from the new guns (ACE 21, etc.) Did anyone else see the boat hit the shore and land in that building? So awesome...--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 12:45, 20 August 2013 (EDT)
:That was an awesome trailer, I didn't see any guns you missed. Here's the P226 in the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEIWYgA2lbQ Premium trailer], at 0:51, and the UTS-15 in the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guxDcKmhDLA Levolution trailer], at 0:42. Here's a [http://blogscdn.battlefield.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Battlefield-4-Paracel-Storm-4-WM.jpg.jpg screenshot] revealing there's an M200. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:20, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Think there was a modern AK12 derived Saiga in the base trailer, when the camera follows the soldier walking up a catwalk and gunning down his foe.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 00:54, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

It looked like an AK-12 firing shotgun rounds, which was weird, so that makes sense to me. The "MSMC" looks to actually be a CBJ-MS. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Every weapon in Battlefield 4 ==

So somebody at Gamespot managed to get a recording of the class customisation menu. They went through every weapon subset and a few of the attachment menus. Pretty much reveals everything except vehicle weaponry. I'm not sure if this can be added to the page (does it count as a leak?), but it's still interesting and it couldn't hurt to have it here anyway. Some of the guns have made up names (or are too obscure to be found in a quick google search) but there are four Ak-12 variants, the SAR-21 and a good amount of chinese weapons. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] ([[User talk:Nikonov|talk]]) 13:21, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

[http://uk.gamespot.com/events/gamescom-2013/battlefield-4-every-class-every-weapon-every-unlock-6413393/ Video is here]

:To be honest, I'm disappointed with the selection. Most of the weapons are same (and look like re-used models as well) as in Battlefield 3, with very few additions. Then, again, they covered quite a lot of firearms there, so some were bound to re-appear. Hope the time and resources were put into making more maps and tools that are fun to play around with. There's also no designated launcher for the Chinese faction, so I assume Russians and Chinese will both share RPG-7V2. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 14:14, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

No MP7 but two UMP's and the SPAS 12 makes me a bit dissapoint, although they'll likely add more weapons. Also, didn't the Chinese engineer have his own launcher in the hi def faction screens. Also, the AK12 Saiga is the OBV 12, interesting.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 16:19, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:: Youtube link if needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLzYLTPN6Mw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 18:34, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

:::There's no way that's the final build, there's too much missing, like no Chinese launchers or G17 even though we saw them, no M1911 would just be silly, I could go on. I bet this is most of the weapons, say 2/3 or 3/4, but not all of them. Note that there is other stuff missing from the build too, like the F-22 (US is using the PAK-FA). The "SRR-61" is the M200 Intervention, as the that's in the build but not on the list, and the "SRR-61" says it has 7 rounds of .408. The "338-Recon" could be a lot of things. The "Compact 45" is likely an HK45C, BF doesn't use HK names after all, and they couldn't name it "M45C", as the M1911 variant in BF3 (and likely this one) is the M45. While the "Compact 45" is listed as having 15 round, that would be ridiculous, and is likely an oversight in the stats. The Galil ACEs are listed as 30 rounds, but do in fact have 35, as seen in the trailer, so some are wrong. Also, the HK45C takes 8 round magazines, which means they could have the M1911 along side it with no balance issues. I believe the rest of the guns are named properly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:11, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
::::The SVD-12 is likely an AK-12 DMR variant, rather than an actual SVD variant. If we're getting whole families of rifles like this (5 AK-12s, 4 Galils, the Q series) I hope we get the rest of the G36-series lineup in DLC. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:43, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
:::::Not sure if [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QOPsp9pRnc8#t=196 this clip in this video] is from a longer one, but it shows that when you put a Heavy Barrel on a P90 it becomes a full auto PS90. HK45, not the C, as the "Compact 45" [http://i.imgur.com/PfN53FI.png confirmed]. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:07, 23 August 2013 (EDT)

== Some more weapon images ==

http://i.imgur.com/eqfdwoZ.jpg

[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 03:03, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

== Article needs updating ==

People need to start looking for GamesCom multiplayer footage of the various new confirmed guns and put screencaps of them on this page. Come on, people, this article needs to be updated! [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 10:29, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
:You do know that you can do it yourself, instead of asking someone ELSE to do it. Maybe you should have a look at the [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#No_page_vandalism|rules]] again... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 10:52, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
::That's the thing: no, I can't. I don't know how to do. Also, how have I committed vandalism, exactly? [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 13:00, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
:::If you want something screencapped but don't know how to do it, the correct thing to do would be to ask for advice on how to do it, rather than badger other people to do it for you. I suggest you read the [[IMFDB Screencapping Guide]]. Assuming the video you are talking about is on youtube, you can even do it as simply as just pausing it, print screening and cropping in paint. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:19, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
::::The screencapping guide contains a link to Fast Stone Image Viewer, which is free and far superior to MS Paint. The guide also details how to take screen captures with Fast Stone Image Viewer. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:25, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
:::::How do I put the images on the site once I've captured them? [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 13:39, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
::::::Go to the panel on the left and look under "Toolbox" and click on "Upload file." Browse to the file you want to upload (or drag and drop onto that box,) then tag the image in the summary box below (for example, <nowiki>[[Category: Screenshot]]</nowiki> for screenshots,) and then click on upload. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:16, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::How do I delete an uploaded file that's named wrong? Or just change the name of it? [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 09:55, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
::You can either use the move tool or you can tag it for deletion with <nowiki>{{nuke}}</nowiki> and reupload. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:49, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
:::How do I do that? Where do I find the move tool and how do I tag it with <nowiki>{{nuke}}</nowiki>? [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 10:51, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Actually, I just figured out how to do the latter. Still would like to know how to do the former, though! :) [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 11:28, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::If you click on an image, look at the tabs at the top of the page, and you'll see a tab for move. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:46, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
:The article needs updating again. It's not going to stay like this forever, is it? Am I going to have to do this by myself again, or are someone else going to pitch in? Because I did pretty much all of the updating after GamesCom! [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 17:25, 7 November 2013 (EST)

== Another 93R ==

Not sure if this is a correct model but another incarnation of the 93R is seen here:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0H9lXzp6MmM&feature=relmfu

[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 02:17, 1 September 2013 (EDT)

== No M16A3 for BF4 multiplayer ==

The M16A3 is removed from BF4 multiplayer. the M16 model seen on recent gameplay is actually mislabeled and is now corrected as the three round burst M16A4.

You can read about this here:
http://pixelenemy.com/m16a3-removed-from-battlefield-4-multiplayer-dice-confirms/

[[User:Dangerman1973|Dangerman1973]] ([[User talk:Dangerman1973|talk]]) 02:09, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

FUCK.YES (pardon the french)[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 09:16, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

::What the heck, was the M16A3 really so annoying? Me and my friends, we have never even heard of this "controversy", and we play on multiple paltforms... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 10:14, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

:::yeah, same here, I don't recall it having really low recoil... I couldn't kill anyone with the M16A3. I just used the a4.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 09:09, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

From the looks of things in a few recent videos the M4A1 is out and the M4 is replacing it too, so it will be the dedicated burst/semi Carbine. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]] ([[User talk:5t3v0|talk]]) 14:49, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

== Fire selectors? ==

Does anyone know if BF4 will feature correct fire selectors that visibly change on the weapon model depending on current fire mode? I was hoping to see this. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 17:55, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

== GP-30 Confirmed ==
And a brief glimpse of the Five-seveN in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_dacA-ZEWQ this video], second halfish. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:58, 24 September 2013 (EDT)

== Cocking the RPG-7's hammer? ==

Ok, guys, I got the beta, and while using the RPG, I've noticed that after loading the rocket, you cock the hammer on the grip (a detail that I've not seen any game include so far). Just something I thought was interesting. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 01:05, 4 October 2013 (EDT)

:I thought that was the safety lever.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 21:37, 4 October 2013 (EDT)

::Nope, it was the hammer. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 12:20, 5 October 2013 (EDT)

== Bullpups less accurate than other assault rifles ==

I have noticed that the stats for the bullpups in-game have an accuracy of 45 while other assault rifles have 50. Which brings me to a question, what is the logic behind that? Because in reality, bullpups are supposed to be shorter in overall length while retaining standard barrels to retain the accuracy.

The SAR 21 and AUG A3 has a barrel length of 508mm, the FAMAS 488mm, and the QBZ 95 463mm.
However, the HK416 has a barrel length of 409mm, or 505mm at best, the SCAR H, 400mm barrel, the AEK 971 420mm and the AK12 415mm.

As a matter of fact, all the bullpup rifles has longer barrels than it's counterpart (with the exception of M16A4).
How in the world can DICE allow the bullpups to have lower ADS accuracy than the others? It would have been the total opposite in real life.

If any, they should make reloading bullpups longer due to the magazine behind the trigger.--[[User:ZuluSix|ZuluSix]] ([[User talk:ZuluSix|talk]]) 12:16, 1 November 2013 (EDT)
:I've heard (never having fired one myself) that bullpups tend to have crappy triggers, which might affect accuracy. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:21, 1 November 2013 (EDT)
::In BF3 all bullpups had better hipfire accuracy, so this is likely a balance to that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:27, 4 November 2013 (EST)
:::But why hipfire? Hipfiring is so damn inaccurate anyway so I don't consider that a form of balance. Having fired the SAR 21 and the M16, I don't find much difference in the trigger pull, but the SAR 21 definitely has a very good CG, it rests perfectly balanced on the master hand so I don't see how that is not a plus to the accuracy. [[User:ZuluSix|ZuluSix]] ([[User talk:ZuluSix|talk]]) 03:30, 10 November 2013 (EST)

By virtue of locating the trigger further from the ammunition (and thus the firing pin) than a conventional rifle (or even one that loads in the pistol grip), the trigger pull on bullpup-configuration firearms is less "user-friendly" than on conventional firearms (because the trigger has to move a longer mechanism to activate the firing pin on a bullpup rather than a conventional rifle). If we ever switch to electronically-fired weapons or man-portable directed-energy weapons, their layout (relative to where the trigger and the ammunition is located) will become moot with regards to trigger pull because they will no longer require mechanical firing pins. By the way, I've read user complaints about how many bullpup firearms don't have adjustable buttstocks (the magazine gets in the way), which makes them less comfortable to reload and less user-friendly when used with body armour, but that's not likely going to be changed anytime soon or be reflected in the game itself.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 05:07, 10 November 2013 (EST)
:You do still get bullpups with a perfectly fine trigger pull, it is only really particularly a problem with bullpups that are modified version of standard layout weapons as these tend to have a sub-optimal trigger linkage. On these these the linkage is quite often a piece of stiff wire with bends in it so there is a lot of potential for it to flex, on better design the linkage is a straight flat steel bar that has no flex so the trigger pull is similar to that of a normal rifle (possibly slightly heavier, but without the long sloppy travel of the typical bullpup conversions). If anything bullpups should be more accurate than their comparable contemporaries as they have a longer barrel which should be more accurate and give you more muzzle velocity. For example the SA80 series is very accurate, so much so that when it was introduced the marksman tests had to be revised as it was consistently out shooting the L1A1 SLR to the point where everyone was getting top marks (part of this was due to the SUSAT, but even without it is still a very accurate weapon). If they have a worse trigger pull, it really doesn't effect accuracy much in the situations where assault rifles are used anyway. There is the possibility that bullpups will have more muzzle climb in automatic though due to the centre of gravity being further back so there is less weight keeping the muzzle down. However this balances out with the fact that by necessity bullpups need to have a straight through design with the barrel in line with the shoulder, and personally I actually liked the weight being far back as I find it keeps it seated nicely in my shoulder and is more manoeuvrable, but that is more a personal preference thing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:37, 10 November 2013 (EST)
The barrel length of a bullpup depends on the specific model being discussed. Sure, the L85A2 has a 20.4-inch barrel, a little more than an M16. The FN F2000 has a 16-inch barrel, and the Micro-Tavor (the new standard-issue weapon for the IDF) has only a 13-inch barrel, the Israelis apparently satisfied with something possessing less barrel length than the M4 carbine. And accuracy is more than just a factor of barrel length; assuming the same cartridge loading, a firearm with a longer barrel should (up to the point before barrel friction starts overpowering the force of the expanding propellant gas) impart a flatter trajectory to a bullet than a shorter one does, but there are other factors, such as the kind of cartridge (why else do they sell "match-grade ammo"?) and the kind of sights. The fact that no bullpup I've seen comes with an adjustable buttstock could be a factor for "user-friendliness" (not to mention the shorter overall length means you often can't find the room for a foregrip that really fits you), but that's not something that you can really model in a game.

It's too bad that the BF series (aside from the [[Project Reality]] mod) doesn't emulate bayonets. That would be a definite advantage conventional rifles would have over bullpups, due to their greater overall length. Project Reality even lets you smack around opposing player characters with Tavor buttstrokes, too--something I would think must be easier with longer conventional rifles. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 15:13, 23 November 2013 (EST)

== China Rising & Second Assault ==

Figured you guys might like to know, but I recently found some additional information for weapons for the DLC packs China Rising in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3g_8WF67s as well as info on Second Assault which are below:

China Rising:
* L85
* L96
* MTAR
* RPK
* MP7

Second Assault:
* AS VAL
* F2000

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 15:04, 14 November 2013 (EST)

:The M60E4 was seen in a trailer too, so it's likely in Second Assault. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:07, 17 November 2013 (EST)

As a sort of strange aside, the orange presumably "placeholder camo" on all the China Rising weapons as of now gives the impression that the RPK is an original RPK-74 rather than an M model. Why is it, exactly, that we would require the RPK-12 and RPK-74 if they would presumably fill the same function, unless this RPK is an original model firing 7.62x39mm cartridges? --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] ([[User talk:Dirty Harold|talk]]) 12:47, 19 November 2013 (EST)

There was an update for BF4 on PC, where all of the China Rising weapons are available. The RPK is the RPK-74, with the awesome wood furniture on it. So, apparently they wanted to make the RPK-12 and RPK-74 extremely similar. But I do like the new RPK, and all of the guns are fun to use. I hope they add some more guns in Second Assault, like an actual AK47 with wood furniture, and other fun things. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 19:05, 21 November 2013 (EST)

== All Battlefield 4 Weapons video ==

A guy on YouTube named "MAR89TUM" does videos showcasing all weapons in a video game, and he just completed his Battlefield 4 video a few hours ago. I thought I'd share it with you guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A86pF20anB8

[[User:Mance1462|Mance1462]] ([[User talk:Mance1462|talk]]) 12:30, 20 November 2013 (EDT)

:Saved for later because it's really long, but thanks for sharing :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:27, 20 November 2013 (EST)

== FN F2000 ==

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4qVx3Pvfu4

I'm assuming the F2000 Tactical is also going to be in there.

[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 13:44, 20 November 2013 (EST)

:Gameplay with the scope, yay! I bet the scope is the F2000's iron sights, and if you attach any other optic it becomes the Tactical. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:25, 20 November 2013 (EST)

== JS2 ==
I've figured out what's up with the JS2. Okay, first, part of the problem is that IMFDB's entry for the variant is wrong, it's "JS 9mm" (or "Jian She JS 9mm" if you want to include the company name), that's the name; "Type-05" is not a thing, that doesn't exist. Second, the description is also wrong, the JS isn't just a QCW-05 in 9mm. It's based on it, but it's smaller, along with having a flattop and built-in foregrip. It's part of the same family, but not the same gun. So the JS is its own gun, smaller and with a flattop and foregrip. With that out of the way we can talk about what the JS2 is. The JS2 is a fictional future variant of the JS (thus the name) chambered in 5.8mm that fires from a closed bolt, with the charging handle on the left side, and with the suppressor removed. Also, I just happened across a bunch of pictures and a video of Chinese police with JSs without suppressors, so I'm not sure lack of a suppressor is that notable. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 04:37, 21 November 2013 (EST)

== Burst Fire - Why do so many games get it so WRONG? ==

As I understand it, burst firing weapons (like the M16A2 or MP5A4 for instance) were first introduced to *save* ammo, rather than waste it. I just can't figure out why game designers would decide that making the gun fire a *minimum* of three rounds per trigger pull would be a better idea than allowing any number up to three?
I know that HK weapons with burst fire don't act like this in real life, or M16A2/A4s/M4s - Is there such a thing as a real world firearm that does not allow its wielder to fire less than three shots when set to burst fire? [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 07:02, 1 December 2013 (EST)

The Living Daylights

2013-11-13T22:32:34Z

Stickie: It's not heroin in the bags - it's raw opium.

[[Image:Livday-dvd.jpg|thumb|right|301px|''The Living Daylights'' (1987)]]
[[Image:LivingDaylights.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Original theatrical poster for ''The Living Daylights'' (1987)]]

'''''The Living Daylights''''' is the 15th installment in the official [[James Bond]] film series and marked the debut of [[Timothy Dalton]] in the role of Agent 007. The 1987 sequel finds Bond involved with the girlfriend of a Russian defector who claims to have evidence of a conspiracy to reignite tensions between the spy communities of the Soviet Union and the Western world. The cast included [[Jeroen Krabbé]], [[Maryam D'Abo]], [[Art Malik]], [[John Rhys-Davies]].

'''The following weapons can be seen in the film ''The Living Daylights'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
== Walther PPK ==
James Bond ([[Timothy Dalton]]) carries his standard .32-caliber [[Walther PPK]], both suppressed and unsuppressed. He draws it at the amusement park in Vienna, unintentionally scaring a young child. He most notably uses it to intimidate and, later, "assassinate" Gen. Pushkin in Tangier. He later uses it to try and kill Brad Whittaker, but the rounds fail to penetrate Whittaker's body armor. After Bond fires 8 shots at Whittaker, Whittaker responds "you've had your eight, I'll have my eighty!" It appears to be the same brown-gripped PPK as he uses in ''[[Licence To Kill]]''.
[[Image:WaltherPPkSilenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther PPK .32 ACP with a sound suppressor. (Brown factory grips)]]
[[Image:TLD_172.jpg|thumb|none|601px|James Bond ([[Timothy Dalton]]) in his tuxedo and carrying his Walther PPK.]]
[[Image:Livday-ppk1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|James Bond ([[Timothy Dalton]]) points his suppressed PPK at Gen. Pushkin.]]
[[Image:Livday-ppk2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Gen. Pushkin looks down the barrel of Bond's PPK.]]
[[Image:Livday-ppk3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond knocks Pushkin down when questioning him.]]
[[Image:Livday-ppk4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond aims his suppressed PPK at Pushkin.]]
[[Image:Livday-ppk5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond gives Pushkin his options.]]
[[Image:Livday-ppk6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Pushkin realizes, at gunpoint, that he "has to die".]]
[[Image:TLD_189.jpg|thumb|none|601px|James Bond ([[Timothy Dalton]]) fires his Walther PPK at the spotlight after the attack on Pushkin.]]
[[Image:Livday-ppk7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond attempts to draw his PPK when he realizes Kara has drugged him.]]
[[Image:Livday-ppk8.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond collapses with his PPK in front of him.]]
[[Image:Livday-ppk9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond enters Whitaker's home with his PPK drawn.]]

== Beretta Cheetah ==
Pushkin's KGB bodyguard ([[Alan Talbot]]) carries a Beretta pistol in a shoulder holster, most likely a [[Beretta Cheetah]].
[[Image:Ber84left.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 84 (earlier version with round trigger guard) .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Livday-pistol1a.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Pushkin's bodyguard prepares to enter Pushkin's room.]]
[[Image:Livday-pistol1b.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Pushkin's KGB bodyguard ([[Alan Talbot]]) with his gun drawn.]]

== CZ 83 ==
Some police officers that chase Bond in Tangier have [[CZ 83]] pistols. Many of the Soviet officers during the Afghanistan airstrip shootout also carry CZs. Necros ([[Andreas Wisniewski]]) uses one to attempt to assassinate Pushkin in Tangier.
[[Image:CZ 83 Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|CZ 83 .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Livday-pistol2a.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Necros ([[Andreas Wisniewski]]) aims his CZ 83.]]
[[Image:Livday-pistol3a.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Tangier policeman fires at Bond.]]
[[Image:Livday-mak1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Colonel Feyador draws his CZ 83, but Koskov tells him not to shoot and damage the plane.]]

== Browning BDA ==
The female CIA agent sent by Felix Leiter ([[John Terry]]) uses a [[Browning BDA]] to convince Bond to go with them.
[[Image:Browning-BDA-9mm.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Browning BDA 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Livday-pistol4a.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The CIA agent puts her Browning BDA into Bond's neck.]]
[[Image:Livday-pistol4b.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The CIA agent keeps her Browning BDA pistol trained on Bond.]]

== Colt Detective Special (1st generation) ==
A first generation [[Colt Detective Special]] is featured during the opening credits.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Tld-cds1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Detective Special is fired during the opening credits.]]

== Beretta 418 ==
In a tribute to Bond's sidearm in the original novels (up until ''[[Dr. No]]''), a .25-caliber [[Beretta 418]] is silhouetted during the opening credits.
[[Image:ber418fj8.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 418 - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:Tld-ber1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Beretta 418 in the opening credits.]]

== Beretta Minx ==
What appears to be a long barreled [[Beretta Jetfire|Beretta Minx]] is held by a woman during the opening credits.
[[File:Beretta Minx.JPG|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:TLD_066.jpg|thumb|none|601px|What appears to be a long barreled [[Beretta Jetfire|Beretta Minx]] is held by a woman during the opening credits.]]

== Heckler & Koch P9S ==
The assassin ([[Carl Rigg]]) who kills SAS trainers and MI6 agents at Gibraltar uses a suppressed [[Heckler & Koch P9S]].
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Livday-p9s1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The assassin ([[Carl Rigg]]) draws his P9S.]]
[[Image:Livday-p9s2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The assassin shoots an SAS trainer.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 36 ==
The butler at the MI6 safehouse carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]], which Necros ([[Andreas Wisniewski]]) takes and uses.
[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith and Wesson Model 36 .38 Special]]
[[Image:Livday-snub1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Necros picks up the butler's dropped Model 36.]]

== Smith & Wesson 4th Model ==
A [[Smith & Wesson 4th Model]] is prominently featured during the opening credits.
[[Image:S&W 4th Model DA .32.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson 4th Model Double Action .32]]
[[Image:Tld-sw4a.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The S&W in the opening credits.]]

== Star Model B ==
One of the Czech's with the Soviets chasing Bond and Kara near the Austrian border fires a [[Star Model B]] at them (instead of a Makarov or Tokarev,as would be expected. Although, this gun may be meant to appear to be a Tokarev, as it looks like one).
[[Image:StarPistolB.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Star Model B Pistol, blued finish 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Livday-1911a.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Czech fires his Star Model B. This gun may be meant to appear to be a Tokarev, as it looks like one]]

=Sniper Rifles=
== Walther WA 2000 ==
James Bond ([[Timothy Dalton]]) uses a [[Walther WA 2000]] sniper rifle given to him by Vienna station chief Saunders (Thomas Wheatley) to fire at the KGB sniper that turns out to be Kara.
[[Image:Walther-WA2000.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Walther WA 2000 .300 Win Mag]]
[[Image:Livday-wa2000a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The WA 2000 sits on the bed with Bond's glove and ammunition.]]
[[Image:Livday-wa2000b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond inspects the WA 2000.]]
[[Image:Livday-wa2000c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saunders offers Bond some ammunition. He assumes he would want the soft-nosed rounds.]]
[[Image:Livday-wa2000d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond prefers steel-tipped rounds, which he loads into the WA 2000, because he mentions that KGB snipers usually wear body armor.]]
[[Image:Livday-wa2000e.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond with the WA 2000.]]
[[Image:Livday-wa2000f.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond goes to the window to shoot.]]
[[Image:Livday-wa2000g.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond's finger on the trigger.]]

== Winchester Model 70 ==
Kara Milovy ([[Maryam D'Abo]]) uses a [[Winchester Model 70]] to "shoot" at Gen. Koskov during his defection. Bond damages the rifle with a shot from the WA 2000.
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 .30-06]]
[[Image:TLD 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kara Milovy ([[Maryam D'Abo]]) holds a [[Winchester Model 70]], as seen through Bond's sniper scope.]]
[[Image:Livday-rifle1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond activates his red dot sight through his rifle scope.]]
[[Image:Livday-rifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kara aims. The space between the white lines is a panel with a small explosive charge in it. When activated, it blows the panel off the side of the rifle to appear to have been shot. It can be noted in frame-by-frame view.]]
[[Image:Livday-rifle3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond sees the damage he caused to Kara's rifle.]]
[[Image:Livday-rifle4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond looks over the rifle.]]
[[Image:Livday-rifle5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond sees that the rifle was loaded with blanks.]]

=Rifles=
== AK-47 ==
Many of the Soviet and Czech soldiers, as well as the Mujahideen use milled-receiver [[AK-47#AK-47|AK-47]] assault rifles, most likely Chinese Poly Tech Legend copies. Kamran Shah ([[Art Malik]]), Bond and Kara's Mujahideen friend, wields an AK-47 during the battle with the Soviets. Kara Milovy ([[Maryam D'Abo]]) grabs Kamran's AK-47 to go off and help Bond. It is worth noting that the use of AK-derivative by Czechoslovak forces is a mistake as Czechoslovakia was the only Warsaw Pact member that used standard assault rifle of its own design ([[Samopal vz. 58]]).
[[Image:Ak_54.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Milled Receiver AK-47 design; 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Livday-ak7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of Kamran Shah's guards holds an AK-47.]]
[[Image:Livday-ak8.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kamran's guard watches him with an AK-47.]]
[[Image:Livday-ak9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kamran's guard points his AK-47 at Bond.]]
[[Image:Livday-ak10.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Kamran Shah ([[Art Malik]]), stands behind Bond (in disguise) with his AK-47.]]
[[Image:Livday-ak11.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Mujahideen fighter riding next to Kara holds an AK-47.]]

== AKMS ==
Many of the Bratislava Soviets carry [[AKMS]] derivatives. Soviets, Czechs, and Mujahideen also carry AKMS rifles, one of which Bond ([[Timothy Dalton]]) is able to grab from one of Koskov's Czech soldier on the plane.
[[Image:Wm 634735.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FEG AK-63E (Hungarian version of the AKMS) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Livday-ak1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Slovak officer with an FEG AK-63E fitted with a rifle grenade.]]
[[Image:Livday-ak2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Soviet with his AK-63E near the Austrian border. (Note: The image makes it look like there is an orange safety cap on the muzzle but closer inspection reveals that it is in fact a traffic light for the cars coming in. It wasn't until 1988 that toy weapons were required to have a blaze orange cap on the barrel.)]]
[[Image:Livday-ak3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Soviet has an Hungarian FEG AK-63E when Bond and Kara escape to Austria.]]
[[Image:Livday-ak4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Soviets skiing after Bond and Kara have FEG AK-63E rifles.]]
[[Image:Livday-ak5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Soviets aim their FEGs at Bond and Kara.]]
[[Image:Livday-ak6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Soviets fire at Bond and Kara. The Czech soldiers' AKMS copies all appear to be Hungarian models, which were called the AK-63E in Hungarian service, and SA-85M when imported to the U.S. in semi-auto form.]]
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMS, stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Livday-aks1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Soviet soldier climbs onto the opium truck with an AKMS slung on his back.]]
[[Image:Livday-aks2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond fires an AKMS he grabbed from one of Feyador's soldiers.]]
[[Image:Livday-aks3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond hides behind the plane door with his AKMS.]]

== Colt Commando M733 ==
A [[Colt Model 733]] is used by Brad Whitaker ([[Joe Don Baker]]) at his home, fitted with a transparent bullet-resistant shield.
[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 733 "M16A2 Commando" - 5.56x45mm. This particular rifle has an A2 lower, an A1E1 upper (forward assist and case deflector with A1 sights as found on Canadian Colts), and a coated aluminum stock.]]
[[Image:Livday-cmdo1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Brad Whitaker ([[Joe Don Baker]]) with the Colt Commando fitted with a transparent ballistic shield.]]
[[Image:TLD_381.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Your pop gun is no match for the latest body armor!" The rounds from Bond's PPK bounce off the ballistic shield.]]
[[Image:Livday-cmdo2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Whitaker taunts Bond after his PPK runs out of ammunition telling him, "You've had your eight, now for my eighty!"]]
[[Image:Livday-cmdo3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Whitaker fires his Model 733.]]
[[Image:TLD_135.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Whitaker with the Model 733.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==
Several Mujaheddin members carry [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Livday-dkrifle1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Mujaheddin fighter drops his rifle when he is kicked by another fighter.]]

== Mosin Nagant M91/30 ==
The Snow Leopard Brotherhood leader carries a [[Mosin Nagant M91/30]] with a WWII-era scope.
[[Image:MosinNagantM9130Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Full-length, Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper Rifle with Russian PU Sniper Scope and down turned bolt handle - 7.62x54R]]
[[Image:Livday-mugrif1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Snow Leopard Brotherhood leader on his horse with the rifle.]]

== M14 ==
A Mujahideen fighter carries an [[M14]] during the drug deal with the Soviets.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M14 rifle 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Livday-asrifle1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A fighter in the middle stands with his M14.]]

== Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE) ==
Many Mujaheddin fighters carry [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)#Short Magazine Lee-Enfield rifle|Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)]] rifles into battle with the Soviets.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I .303 British]]
[[Image:Livday-mugrif2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mujaheddin resistance fighters on their horses with rifles.]]

== Nock Gun ==
A [[Nock Gun]] is seen tripod-mounted in Brad Whitaker's weapon collection.
[[Image:NockVolleyGun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nock Gun - .52 Caliber.]]
[[Image:TLD_068.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the center, a [[Nock Gun]] is seen tripod-mounted in Brad Whitaker's weapon collection.]]

== AR-15 pistol ==
Whitaker keeps an [[M16 rifle series|AR-15 pistol]] fitted with a rifle grenade in a drawer he shows to Pushkin.
[[File:TLD 147.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Whitaker keeps an [[M16 rifle series|AR-15 pistol]] fitted with a rifle grenade in a drawer he shows to Pushkin.]]

== Crossman Ratcatcher Air Rifle (modified) ==
Among the guns seen in Whitaker's collection is a ridiculously mocked up Crossman Ratcatcher Air Rifle with a skeleton stock.
[[Image:Livday-mpist1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Whitaker's guns. The air rifle is seen in the upper right with the skeleton stock.]]

==Anschutz LG275 air rifle==
While at the carnival in Vienna, Bond shows off his sharpshooting skills with an Anschutz LG275 air rifle. His skills prompt the concession's manager to insist that he stops playing and winning all the prizes.
[[Image:Anschutz LG275.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Anschutz LG275 air rifle]]
[[Image:Livday-airrifle.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond aims the Anschutz LG275 air rifle.]]

=Submachine Guns=
== Beretta PM12S ==
Some police officers that chase Bond in Tangier have [[Beretta PM12S]] submachine guns. Brad Whitaker also has one in his personal collection.
[[Image:BerettaPM12S.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta PM12S 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Livday-berm12b.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Tangier police officer fires his PM12S at Bond.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
In the precredits sequence, the SAS unit training with MI6 at Gibraltar uses [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] submachine guns loaded with paintballs.
[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with original "slimline" forearm 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Livday-mp5a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An SAS trainer captures 002 MI6 agent.]]
[[Image:Livday-mp5b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An SAS trainer shoots a paintball at the assassin.]]
[[Image:Livday-mp5c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Game's up, mate. You're dead."]]
[[Image:Livday-mp5d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"'Ere, 'old on, you're dead!"]]
[[Image:Livday-mp5e.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An SAS guard watches the Land Rover commandeered by the assassin.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5K (modified) ==
Whitaker shows Pushkin a modified [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] made to look as if it has grenade launching capabilities, telling him he needs the modern equivalent of a Maxim, a "3rd generation ... laser-sighting, short-barreled machine pistol". It has an SEF trigger group.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5K - version with SEF Plastic Trigger Pack 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Livday-mpist1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Whitaker's guns. The MP5K is seen on the left.]]

== Walther MPK ==
The Czech VB officers use [[Walther MP series#Walther MPK|Walther MPK]] submachine guns.
[[Image:Walther mpk unfolded.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther MPK with stock unfolded - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Livday-berm12a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MPK is visible in the Czech Police Car trunk.]]
[[Image:TLD_119.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Czech VB officers carry [[Walther MP series#Walther MPK|Walther MPK]] submachine guns.]]

== Sa. vz. 61 Skorpion ==
KGB Gen. Leonid Pushkin ([[John Rhys-Davies]]) and some of his men use the [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Sa. vz. 61 Skorpion]] when arresting Koskov at Whitaker's residence.
[[Image:Skorpion-SA-VZ-61.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Skorpion Sa. vz. 61 .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Livday-skorp2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the left, one of Pushkin's men with a suppressed Skorpion.]]

== MAT-49 ==
One of the guards at the airport where Koskov loads Bond onto his plane carries a [[MAT-49]].
[[Image:MAT-49.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|French MAT-49 Submachine Gun 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Livday-mat49a.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the left, a guard keeps his MAT-49 trained on Koskov and Necros.]]

== Mini Uzi ==
Brad Whitaker ([[Joe Don Baker]]) uses a [[Mini Uzi]] in his shootout with Bond before getting his Colt Commando. One of Pushkin's men also is holding a Mini Uzi when apprehending Koskov later during the scene.
[[Image:MiniUzi 01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mini Uzi SMG with stock folded - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Livday-uzi1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Brad Whitaker ([[Joe Don Baker]]) fires a Mini Uzi at Bond.]]
[[Image:Livday-uzi2.jpg|thumb|none|602px|One of Pushkin's men with a Mini Uzi next to Koskov.]]

=Machine Guns=
== MG3 ==
During the car chase, one of the vehicles is mounted with an [[MG3]] light machine gun, the 7.62 mm derivative of an MG42. The use of the MG3 by Bratislava Soviets is a mistake. The MG3 was a weapon used by NATO and was never used by the Czech Army.
[[Image:MG 3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MG3 Light Machine Gun in 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Livday-mg1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MG3 is aimed at Bond's Aston Martin.]]
[[Image:Livday-mg2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The officers fire the MG3. The MG3 was a weapon used by NATO and was never used by the Czech Army.]]

== Maxim MG08 Machine Gun==
Arms dealer Brad Whitaker ([[Joe Don Baker]]) shows Gen. Pushkin a [[Maxim#Maxim MG08|Maxim]], talking about its use as the first true machine gun.
[[Image:MaximMG08.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German Maxim MG08 on sled mount]]
[[Image:Livday-maxim1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Whitaker shows Pushkin the [[Maxim|Maxim MG08]].]]

==Colt 1874 Gatling Gun==
Another weapon seen in Whitaker's collection is a [[Gatling Gun|Colt 1874 Gatling Gun]].
[[Image:Gatling gun 1865.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt 1865 Gatling Gun - .44 Rimfire (gun in film is .45).]]
[[Image:TLD 221.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Gatling is seen on the right.]]

== KPV (mocked up Browning M2HB) ==
Koskov's Soviets and Czechs use several [[Browning M2HB]] machine guns during the airfield battle, mocked up with fake barrel shrouds to resemble [[KPV heavy machine gun#KPV heavy machine gun|KPV heavy machine gun]]s. Necros ([[Andreas Wisniewski]]) uses one to fire at Kara from a Jeep driven by Gen. Koskov ([[Jeroen Krabbé]]).
[[Image:Kpv 01.jpg|thumb|none|401px|KPV heavy machine gun on wheeled carriage mount - 14.5x114mm]]
[[Image:BrowningM2HB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Livday-mgun1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Two of Koskov's Soviets duck next to their machine gun.]]
[[Image:Livday-mgun2a.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Necros ([[Andreas Wisniewski]]) mans a machine gun in a Jeep driven by Koskov.]]
[[Image:Livday-mgun2b.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Necros fires the machine gun.]]
[[Image:Livday-mgun2c.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The armored Jeep drives up onto the airstrip.]]
[[Image:Livday-mgun2d.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Necros stops firing when Koskov drives near the plane.]]

==RPD==
An [[RPD]] is slung over the shoulder of a fighter transporting the opium to a Russian truck.
[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD Light Machine Gun - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:TLD 083.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An [[RPD]] is slung over the shoulder of a fighter transporting the opium to a Russian truck.]]

== RPK ==
[[RPK]] machine guns are mounted on Panhard AML scout cars chasing down Mujahadeen fighters. The Panhards have been mocked up as Soviet reconnaissance vehicles.

[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPK light machine gun - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:TLD 226.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The RPK as seen atop the armoured car.]]
[[File:TLD 227.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The RPK, manned by the AML commander as Bond drops the bomb.]]

=Other=
== RPG-7 ==
The Mujahideen use an [[RPG-7#RPG-7|RPG-7]] during the airfield battle.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|RPG-7 40mm]]
[[Image:Livday-rpg1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A resistance fighter with an RPG-7.]]
[[Image:Livday-rpg2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Mujahideen fighter prepares to fire his RPG-7.]]

== RGD-1 Hand Grenade ==
At one point during the battle, Kamran Shah uses a Soviet [[RGD-1 hand grenade]] to blow up a truck driven by Colonel Feyador.
[[Image:Deactivated f1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|RGD-1 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:Livday-gren1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kamran pulls the pin on the grenade.]]
[[Image:Livday-gren2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The grenade lands near the fuel truck.]]

=="Ghetto Blaster"==
Q shows off the "Ghetto Blaster", a rocket launcher disguised inside a large "boom box" music player.
[[Image:TLD 112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Q shows off a new weapon being developed for the Americans: a "Ghetto Blaster".]]
[[Image:TLD 113.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The "Ghetto Blaster" is fired. The special effects for the rocket launcher were actually triggered, off-screen, by Prince Charles, who was taking a behind-the-scenes tour of the production with his then-wife Diana, Princess of Wales.]]

==Aston Martin Weapons==
Bond's Aston Martin V8 Volante is outfitted with several weapons including a side laser and missile launchers.
[[Image:TLD 122.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond's Aston Martin has a cutting laser mounted in one of the wheels.]]
[[Image:TLD 035.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Twin rocket launchers are mounted behind the lights.]]

{{James Bond Series}}

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[[Category:British Produced/Filmed]]

Predator 2

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{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = ''Predator 2''
|picture = Predator two.jpg
|caption =
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Stephen Hopkins
|date= 1990
|language = English Spain
|studio=Davis Entertainment Lawrence Gordon Productions Silver Pictures
|distributor=Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
|character1=The Predator
|actor1=Kevin Peter Hall
|character2=Lieutenant Mike Harrigan
|actor2=[[Danny Glover]]
|character3=Peter Keyes
|actor3=[[Gary Busey]]
|character4=Leona Centrell
|actor4=[[Maria Conchita Alonso]]
|character5=Danny Archuleta
|actor5=[[Rubén Blades]]
|character6=Jerry Lambert
|actor6=[[Bill Paxton]]
|character7=Gerber
|actor7=[[Adam Baldwin]]
|character8=Captain Phil Heinemann
|actor8=[[Robert Davi]]
|character9=Captain B. Pilgrim
|actor9=[[Kent McCord]]
|character10=El Scorpio
|actor10=[[Henry Kingi]]
}}

'''''Predator 2''''' is the 1990 sequel to 1987's ''[[Predator]]''. Set in the then-future year of 1997, another Predator descends upon a besieged Los Angeles to hunt for human trophies, one of which could be LAPD Detective Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]).

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Predator 2'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
== Magnum Research Inc. Mark VII Desert Eagle ==

LAPD Detective Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) carries a brushed chrome .357 Magnum chambered [[Desert Eagle]] fitted with a laser sight as his sidearm.

[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Desert Eagle MK VII with nickel finish - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-243722.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) looks up towards the building holding his Desert Eagle.]]
[[Image:Pred2 078.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan searches the rooftop with his Desert Eagle drawn.]]
[[Image:Pred2 083.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan aims his Desert Eagle at El Scorpio - Not the best installation of the laser sight, as the wire for the grip switch could impede spent shell casings from exiting the weapon properly.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2056.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan with his Desert Eagle in the cemetery.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2061.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Harrigan's Desert Eagle.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2065.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan retrieves his Desert Eagle and forces one of Keyes' men to open the door.]]

== Dan Wesson Model 15-VH ==

One of the gang members on the subway can be seen pulling a [[Dan Wesson revolvers|Dan Wesson Revolver Model 15-VH]] on a train commuter, saying "mine's bigger than yours!".
[[Image:DanWessonRevolver.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Dan Wesson Model 15-VH - .357 Maximum (not Magnum).]]
[[Image:Pred2 09.jpg|thumb|600px|none|One of the gang members on the subway can be seen pulling a Dan Wesson Model 15-VH on a train commuter, saying "mine's bigger than yours!".]]
[[Image:Pred2 2028.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Side view of the Dan Wesson.]]

==Colt MK IV Series 70==
A [[M1911#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt MK IV Series 70]] is seen in Harrigan's trunk cache.
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Colt MK IV Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Pred2 026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MK IV Series 70 fitted with a first series of production Laser Products 310R tactical light (is seen in Harrigan's trunk.]]

==Colt Commander==
A [[M1911#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] is seen in Harrigan's trunk cache.
[[Image:ColtCombatCommander.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Colt Combat Commander - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Pred2 026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Commander is seen in Harrigan's trunk, to the left of the Smith & Wesson Model 66 and Colt MK IV Series 70, above the SIG-Sauer P226.]]

== Miquelet Lock Pistol ==
This [[Flintlock Pistol|18th century pistol]] with a characteristically Iberian form of flintlock ignition was presented to Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) by the Elder Predator at the end of the film. The movie prop was an off-the-shelf commercially available non-firing replica from the Spanish manufacturer Denix, made in cast pot metal and hardwood. The external miquelet mainspring and full-cock sear are purely decorative, as the replica uses the same internal dry-fire mechanism as the other Denix models. It was reportedly customized for the movie by Keystone Arsenal Replicas. Modifications appear limited to the removal of the original die-cast sideplate and fabrication of the over-sized engraved sheet-metal replacement.

[[Image:Miq Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Denix 'Catalonian' replica pistol.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan is thrown the pistol.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2018.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the pistol with the plate reading "Raphael Adolini 1715", showing how long the Predators have been hunting on Earth.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2011.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan walks with the pistol.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Det. Leona Cantrell ([[Maria Conchita Alonso]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] with a stainless laser sight as her sidearm of choice. Det. Jerry Lambert ([[Bill Paxton]]) also carries a P226, a stainless variant with a black laser sight, notably aboard the subway train and later when attacked by the Predator. A stainless P226 is also seen in Harrigan's trunk.
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 017.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cantrell with her SIG-Sauer P226. Note how the laser sight doesn't appear to fit the P226.]]
[[Image:Pred2 023.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cantrell fires her SIG-Sauer P226.]]
[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A nickel SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm. This is another real movie gun and has been adapted to fire full flash motion picture blanks.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2031.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jerry Lambert ([[Bill Paxton]]) draws his stainless P226 fitted with a laser sight. "We don't need any rush hour Rambos here..."]]
[[Image:Pred2 026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stainless SIG-Sauer P226 is seen in Harrigan's trunk, below the Colt Commander.]]

==Smith & Wesson 4506==
Det. Danny Archuleta ([[Rubén Blades]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 4506]] fitted with a weaponlight as his sidearm.
[[Image:S&W4506.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 4506 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Pred2 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Danny Archuleta ([[Rubén Blades]]) at the top carries a Smith & Wesson 4506 fitted with a Laser Products model 302 weaponlight.]]
[[Image:Pred2 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Pred2 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
A 2.5"-barrel [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] is one of the handguns Harrigan selected from in his trunk cache. It also appears to be the revolver pulled by a subway rider who is threatened by some thugs.
[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 with 2.5" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Pred2 026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson Model 66 lying in Mike Harrigan's trunk.]]
[[Image:Pred2 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A subway rider pulls his S&W 66 on some thugs.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
Several other subway passengers pull their [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] revolvers at the thugs.
[[File:Classic60.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Classic Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Pred2 10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several other subway passengers pull their [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] revolvers at the thugs.]]

==Unidentified revolver==
The leader of the Jamaican gangsters during the voodoo-murder is seen carrying two golden revolvers with white (probably Ivory)-grips.
[[Image:Predator 2 revolvers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The head gangster on the left is seen with his twin golden revolvers.]]
[[Image:Predator 2 revolvers 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another angle of the gangsters revolvers. The ivory grips are seen clearly.]]

=Submachine Guns=
== Heckler & Koch MP5A2 ==

A police officer can be seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] in a news clip in the beginning of the movie.

[[Image:H&KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer fires his MP5A2 in the news footage.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Several LAPD officers can be seen with [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]]s in the opening shootout.
[[Image:MP5A3 StockCollapsed.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 3002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A police officer is shot while holding a MP5A3.]]

== IMI Micro Uzi ==
"El Scorpio" (Veteran stuntman and occasional actor [[Henry Kingi]]) is seen using two [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]]'s during the opening scene before being forced to flee. These customized two-tone Uzi's are the same ones used in the films ''[[Running Man, The|The Running Man]]'', ''[[Total Recall]]'' and ''[[Class of 1999]]''.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 15 round magazine - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 006.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|El Scorpio fires his Micro Uzi's. Note the slightly longer barrels.]]

== IMI Uzi ==
A full size [[Uzi]] is among the weapons glimpsed in El Scorpio's armory.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 080.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Franchi LF-57 ==

Jamaican gangsters use [[Franchi LF-57]] SMG's.

[[Image:Franchi lf57-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Franchi LF-57 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 2035.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jamaican gangster raises his Franchi LF-57 as he begins the search of the penthouse.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2036.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jamaican gets shot by the Predator while holding his Franchi.]]

=Assault Rifles, Battle Rifles, & Carbines=

== Colt CAR-15 variant ==

Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) uses a [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|CAR-15]] variant with an underslung [[M203]] grenade launcher when he confronts the Predator. Since the receiver is never seen clearly it remains unidentified.
[[Image:M203xm177.jpg|thumb|none|500px|XM177 (5.56x45mm) with M203 grenade launcher (40mm)]]
[[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Late 1970s model AR15 Sporter 1 Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike for the film ''[[The Dogs of War]]'' - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 grenade launcher - 40x46mm.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-167175.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) holds his CAR-15.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2071.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) picks up his CAR-15 with an underslung M203 from the trunk of his car.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2067.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan cocks his CAR-15... with his finger on the trigger.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2066.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...before cocking it again just a few moments later, with his finger STILL on the trigger.]]

== Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup ==
One of Peter Keyes' ([[Gary Busey]]) government agents who attempt to hunt down the Predator in the abattoir carries two [[Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup]] rifles.
[[Image:RugerMuzzelite.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger Mini-14 in a Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup stock - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 2068.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Steyr AUG ==

The [[Steyr AUG]] is used by various Colombian gang members during the shootout at the beginning of the film. Some LAPD officers are also seen holding these weapons outside of the Metro station.

[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steyr AUG A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75666.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colombian opens fire at police officers with a Steyr AUG.]]
[[Image:Pred2 001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colombian fires his Steyr AUG at police officers.]]
[[Image:Pred2 051.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another Colombian fires his Steyr AUG before Harrigan takes him out.]]
[[Image:Pred2 3001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Colombians cheer after El Scorpio blows up a car]]
[[Image:Pred2 2001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Colombians fire their weapons]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

[[Heckler & Koch G3A3]]s are used by the Colombian gang during the shootout at the beginning of the film. LAPD officers are also seen using G3A3s with Imatronic LS45 laser sights attached to them.

[[Image:G3a3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 with wide handguard - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 050.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colombian fires his G3A3.]]
[[Image:Pred2 002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Police officers fire laser sighted G3A3s.]]
[[Image:Pred2 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colombian fires his G3A3. He fires it way over the head of the police. Most likely this is for safety reasons.]]
[[Image:Pred2 005.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Police officer gets shot holding his G3A3.]]
[[Image:Pred2 108.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One police officer can be seen holding a G3A3 behind tabloid reporter Tony Pope (Morton Downey Jr.).]]
[[Image:Pred2 2073.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer stands next to Harrigan on the rooftop with a G3A3 fitted with an Imatronic LS45 laser sight.]]

== Colt M16A1 ==

When Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) goes to the metro station to find Jerry Lambert ([[Bill Paxton]]), a police officer wearing a PASGT helmet can be seen holding an [[M16A1]]. Various M16A1s can be seen when the Colombians pick up weapons at the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-203285.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer with an M16A1 runs past Harrigan and Captain Pilgrim ([[Kent McCord]]).]]

== Ruger AC-556K ==

The short barreled version of the AC556, the [[Ruger Mini-14|Ruger AC556K]] is used by the Jamaican gangsters.

[[Image:RugerAC556folder.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Ruger AC556K - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Jamaican holding a Ruger AC556K.]]
[[Image:Pred2 115.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Jamaican fires a Ruger AC556K.]]

== M1 Carbine ==
A number of [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbines]] were seen on a circular gun rack at the Colombian gang's armory while the Colombians were re-arming with heavier weapons.

[[Image:M1-Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|World War II Era M1 Carbine, with Dark Walnut Stock, 'L' peep sight and no bayonet lug - .30 Carbine - correct for most of WWII, shown with khaki sling and oiler and a period twin magazine pouch for buttstock]]
[[Image:Pred2 046.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Unidentified AK47 derivative ==
Among the many guns (and missiles) seen in the Columbians stash, at least three AK47 or AK47 derivatives (such as AKM) is seen in a weaponbox.
[[Image:Predator 2 akm47.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the right side of Harrigan a few AK47/AKM are seen in the box.]]

=Shotguns=

== Benelli M1 Super 90 "Entry"==

In addition to his Desert Eagle, Harrigan uses a [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns#Benelli M1|Benelli M1 Super 90 "Entry"]] semi-auto shotgun with a cut-down barrel, pistol grip and laser sight. This gun is the same one used in the short lived 80's television series "The Highwayman" starring Sam Jones. Harrigan uses it to kill various gang members and to injure the Predator near the end of the film.
[[File:Benellim1entry5hx.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Benelli M1 Super 90 "Entry" in tactical pistol grip configuration - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Pred2 028.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan grabs his Benelli from his trunk]]
[[Image:Pred2 053.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan fires his Benelli at the Colombians. A total of ten shots even though a tube that short couldn't possibly hold that many.]]
[[Image:Pred2 101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan fires the Benelli at the Predator. Again he fires ten shots from such a short tube. At least the movie's consistent with its inaccuracies.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-222581.jpg|thumb|none|600px|With his shotgun out, Harrigan inspects the Predator.]]
[[Image:Pred2 105.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan holds the Benelli to the predators throat.]]

== Franchi SPAS-15 ==

A [[Franchi SPAS-15]] can be seen being used by an LAPD sergeant ([[Steve Kahan]]) with a laser sight attached to it (which seems rather unnecessary for a shotgun unless it is using slugs) in the beginning of the movie.
[[Image:Franchi spas15.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Pred2 021.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sergeant ([[Steve Kahan]]) with his SPAS-15 in the opening shootout.]]
[[Image:Pred2 019.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the SPAS-15.]]

== Mossberg 500 Bullpup ==

In the opening shootout, several LAPD officers can be seen with the [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 Bullpup]]. It's also briefly glimpsed in Harrigan's trunk as he loads up before confronting the Predator. Garber ([[Adam Baldwin]]) also is seen carrying one as he confronts Harrigan at the end of the movie.
[[Image:Mossberg Bullpup.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500 Bullpup with 18.5" Barrel - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Pred2 2010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Garber ([[Adam Baldwin]]) is seen with a Mossberg bullpup at the film's conclusion.]]

=Heavy Weapons=
== Barrett M82A1 ==

At the start of the movie, one of the Colombian gangsters picks up an early model [[Barrett_M82#Barrett_M82.2FM82A1.2FM107|Barrett M82A1]] from their weapons cache. The gangster with the Barrett M82A1 is [[Thomas Rosales Jr.]], a Hispanic professional stuntman who routinely plays unnamed thugs in motion pictures.

[[File:BarM82Early.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Early model Barrett M82A1 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Pred2 042.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of El Scorpio's gangsters ([[Thomas Rosales Jr.]]) pulls up the Barrett M82A1. When he flips the front-lid of the scope there is a distinct metal sound eventhough the lid is made of plastic.]]
[[Image:Pred2 061.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Side shot of the Barret M82A1 Anti Materiel Rifle.]]

== Iver Johnson AMAC-1500 ==
One of the Colombians is seen taking up a [[Iver Johnson AMAC-1500]] in El Scorpio's armory. Perhaps not the best choice for a stand off with police, as to reload the bolt needs to be completely removed and a single round loaded to fire.
[[Image:amac-1500.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Iver Johnson AMAC-1500 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Iver Johnson AMAC1500 .jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iver Johnson rifle.]]
[[Image:Pred2 059.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A colombian withdrawing the bolt in order to attach a bullet. The order of the scene is reversed. First the colombian is seen attaching a round to the removed bolt, then he is seen in the above photo removing the bolt.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==
Two Colombians pick up two [[M60 machine gun]]s when they are in their weapons cache. One member of the special team headed up by Peter Keyes ([[Gary Busey]]) uses one with the bipod and the sights removed (a la US Navy SEALs in Vietnam).

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 063.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60 is seen behind El Scorpio.]]

== Defense Technologies 1315 37mm ==

Colombian gang leader 'El Scorpio' ([[Henry Kingi]]) uses a [[S&W gas gun|Def Tech 1315]] 37mm launcher, made to act like an HE launcher. Its used to kill or injure two LAPD officers and destroy a Police car.
[[Image:DefTech1315.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DefTech 1315 - 37mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 067.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'El Scorpio' ([[Henry Kingi]]) readies his DefTech 1315 37mm Launcher. Kingi also appeared in ''[[Predator]]'' as the guerrilla that gets blown up when he tries to stop the runaway truck [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] sent careering into the rebel camp.]]
[[Image:Pred2 069.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'El Scorpio' ([[Henry Kingi]]) celebrates after blowing up a police car with his DefTech 1315 37mm Launcher. In reality this is not possible with that weapon, since the explosion looks more like an 80mm mortar round than a 37mm "HE" round.]]
[[Image:Pred2 063.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Come and get it! El Scorpio is ready!"'' The Colombian Gang leader ([[Henry Kingi]]) emotes after taking a large hit of cocaine, while holding his Deftech 1315.]]
[[Image:Pred2 056.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An armory crate filled with Deftech 1315 37mm launchers is seen in the Colombian gang armory.]]

==Browning M2HB==
Among the weapons glimpsed in El Scorpio's armory is a [[Browning M2]] Machine gun.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Pred2 045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2 is seen laying against the wall in the center background.]]

==M47 Dragon==
Among the weapons glimpsed in El Scorpio's armory is an [[M47 Dragon]] launcher.
[[Image:M47_Dragon.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M47 Dragon - 140mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M47 is seen laying against a wall to the right.]]

==Double Barreled Firearm==
A custom double barreled firearm is carried by one of Peter Keyes' men.
[[Image:Predator 2, doublebarrel 11.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Rear of weapon]]
[[Image:Predator 2, doublebarrel 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rifle seen in the hands on the man to the right]]
[[Image:Predator 2, doublebarrel 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the two barrels in the center]]
[[Image:Predator 2, doublebarrel 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The two-barrel weapon bringing up the rear.]]

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Predator 2

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[[Image:Predator two.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Predator 2'' (1990)]]

'''''Predator 2''''' is the 1990 sequel to 1987's ''[[Predator]]''. Set in the then-future year of 1997, another Predator descends upon a besieged Los Angeles to hunt for human trophies, one of which could be LAPD Detective Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]).

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Predator 2'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
== Magnum Research Inc. Mark VII Desert Eagle ==

LAPD Detective Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) carries a brushed chrome .357 Magnum chambered [[Desert Eagle]] fitted with a laser sight as his sidearm.

[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Desert Eagle MK VII with nickel finish - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-243722.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) looks up towards the building holding his Desert Eagle.]]
[[Image:Pred2 078.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan searches the rooftop with his Desert Eagle drawn.]]
[[Image:Pred2 083.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan aims his Desert Eagle at El Scorpio - Not the best installation of the laser sight, as the wire for the grip switch could impede spent shell casings from exiting the weapon properly.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2056.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan with his Desert Eagle in the cemetery.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2061.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Harrigan's Desert Eagle.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2065.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan retrieves his Desert Eagle and forces one of Keyes' men to open the door.]]

== Dan Wesson Model 15-VH ==

One of the gang members on the subway can be seen pulling a [[Dan Wesson revolvers|Dan Wesson Revolver Model 15-VH]] on a train commuter, saying "mine's bigger than yours!".
[[Image:DanWessonRevolver.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Dan Wesson Model 15-VH - .357 Maximum (not Magnum).]]
[[Image:Pred2 09.jpg|thumb|600px|none|One of the gang members on the subway can be seen pulling a Dan Wesson Model 15-VH on a train commuter, saying "mine's bigger than yours!".]]
[[Image:Pred2 2028.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Side view of the Dan Wesson.]]

==Colt MK IV Series 70==
A [[M1911#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt MK IV Series 70]] is seen in Harrigan's trunk cache.
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Colt MK IV Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Pred2 026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MK IV Series 70 fitted with a first series of production Laser Products 310R tactical light (is seen in Harrigan's trunk.]]

==Colt Commander==
A [[M1911#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] is seen in Harrigan's trunk cache.
[[Image:ColtCombatCommander.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Colt Combat Commander - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Pred2 026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Commander is seen in Harrigan's trunk, to the left of the Smith & Wesson Model 66 and Colt MK IV Series 70, above the SIG-Sauer P226.]]

== Miquelet Lock Pistol ==
This [[Flintlock Pistol|18th century pistol]] with a characteristically Iberian form of flintlock ignition was presented to Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) by the Elder Predator at the end of the film. The movie prop was an off-the-shelf commercially available non-firing replica from the Spanish manufacturer Denix, made in cast pot metal and hardwood. The external miquelet mainspring and full-cock sear are purely decorative, as the replica uses the same internal dry-fire mechanism as the other Denix models. It was reportedly customized for the movie by Keystone Arsenal Replicas. Modifications appear limited to the removal of the original die-cast sideplate and fabrication of the over-sized engraved sheet-metal replacement.

[[Image:Miq Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Denix 'Catalonian' replica pistol.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan is thrown the pistol.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2018.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the pistol with the plate reading "Raphael Adolini 1715", showing how long the Predators have been hunting on Earth.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2011.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan walks with the pistol.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Det. Leona Cantrell ([[Maria Conchita Alonso]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] with a stainless laser sight as her sidearm of choice. Det. Jerry Lambert ([[Bill Paxton]]) also carries a P226, a stainless variant with a black laser sight, notably aboard the subway train and later when attacked by the Predator. A stainless P226 is also seen in Harrigan's trunk.
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 017.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cantrell with her SIG-Sauer P226. Note how the laser sight doesn't appear to fit the P226.]]
[[Image:Pred2 023.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cantrell fires her SIG-Sauer P226.]]
[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A nickel SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm. This is another real movie gun and has been adapted to fire full flash motion picture blanks.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2031.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jerry Lambert ([[Bill Paxton]]) draws his stainless P226 fitted with a laser sight. "We don't need any rush hour Rambos here..."]]
[[Image:Pred2 026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stainless SIG-Sauer P226 is seen in Harrigan's trunk, below the Colt Commander.]]

==Smith & Wesson 4506==
Det. Danny Archuleta ([[Rubén Blades]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 4506]] fitted with a weaponlight as his sidearm.
[[Image:S&W4506.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 4506 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Pred2 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Danny Archuleta ([[Rubén Blades]]) at the top carries a Smith & Wesson 4506 fitted with a Laser Products model 302 weaponlight.]]
[[Image:Pred2 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Pred2 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
A 2.5"-barrel [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] is one of the handguns Harrigan selected from in his trunk cache. It also appears to be the revolver pulled by a subway rider who is threatened by some thugs.
[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 with 2.5" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Pred2 026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson Model 66 lying in Mike Harrigan's trunk.]]
[[Image:Pred2 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A subway rider pulls his S&W 66 on some thugs.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
Several other subway passengers pull their [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] revolvers at the thugs.
[[File:Classic60.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Classic Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Pred2 10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several other subway passengers pull their [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] revolvers at the thugs.]]

==Unidentified revolver==
The leader of the Jamaican gangsters during the voodoo-murder is seen carrying two golden revolvers with white (probably Ivory)-grips.
[[Image:Predator 2 revolvers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The head gangster on the left is seen with his twin golden revolvers.]]
[[Image:Predator 2 revolvers 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another angle of the gangsters revolvers. The ivory grips are seen clearly.]]

=Submachine Guns=
== Heckler & Koch MP5A2 ==

A police officer can be seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] in a news clip in the beginning of the movie.

[[Image:H&KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer fires his MP5A2 in the news footage.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Several LAPD officers can be seen with [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]]s in the opening shootout.
[[Image:MP5A3 StockCollapsed.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 3002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A police officer is shot while holding a MP5A3.]]

== IMI Micro Uzi ==
"El Scorpio" (Veteran stuntman and occasional actor [[Henry Kingi]]) is seen using two [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]]'s during the opening scene before being forced to flee. These customized two-tone Uzi's are the same ones used in the films ''[[Running Man, The|The Running Man]]'', ''[[Total Recall]]'' and ''[[Class of 1999]]''.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 15 round magazine - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 006.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|El Scorpio fires his Micro Uzi's. Note the slightly longer barrels.]]

== IMI Uzi ==
A full size [[Uzi]] is among the weapons glimpsed in El Scorpio's armory.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 080.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Franchi LF-57 ==

Jamaican gangsters use [[Franchi LF-57]] SMG's.

[[Image:Franchi lf57-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Franchi LF-57 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 2035.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jamaican gangster raises his Franchi LF-57 as he begins the search of the penthouse.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2036.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jamaican gets shot by the Predator while holding his Franchi.]]

=Assault Rifles, Battle Rifles, & Carbines=

== Colt CAR-15 variant ==

Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) uses a [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|CAR-15]] variant with an underslung [[M203]] grenade launcher when he confronts the Predator. Since the receiver is never seen clearly it remains unidentified.
[[Image:M203xm177.jpg|thumb|none|500px|XM177 (5.56x45mm) with M203 grenade launcher (40mm)]]
[[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Late 1970s model AR15 Sporter 1 Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike for the film ''[[The Dogs of War]]'' - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 grenade launcher - 40x46mm.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-167175.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) holds his CAR-15.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2071.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) picks up his CAR-15 with an underslung M203 from the trunk of his car.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2067.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan cocks his CAR-15... with his finger on the trigger.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2066.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...before cocking it again just a few moments later, with his finger STILL on the trigger.]]

== Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup ==
One of Peter Keyes' ([[Gary Busey]]) government agents who attempt to hunt down the Predator in the abattoir carries two [[Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup]] rifles.
[[Image:RugerMuzzelite.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger Mini-14 in a Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup stock - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 2068.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Steyr AUG ==

The [[Steyr AUG]] is used by various Colombian gang members during the shootout at the beginning of the film. Some LAPD officers are also seen holding these weapons outside of the Metro station.

[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steyr AUG A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75666.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colombian opens fire at police officers with a Steyr AUG.]]
[[Image:Pred2 001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colombian fires his Steyr AUG at police officers.]]
[[Image:Pred2 051.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another Colombian fires his Steyr AUG before Harrigan takes him out.]]
[[Image:Pred2 3001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Colombians cheer after El Scorpio blows up a car]]
[[Image:Pred2 2001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Colombians fire their weapons]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

[[Heckler & Koch G3A3]]s are used by the Colombian gang during the shootout at the beginning of the film. LAPD officers are also seen using G3A3s with Imatronic LS45 laser sights attached to them.

[[Image:G3a3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 with wide handguard - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 050.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colombian fires his G3A3.]]
[[Image:Pred2 002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Police officers fire laser sighted G3A3s.]]
[[Image:Pred2 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colombian fires his G3A3. He fires it way over the head of the police. Most likely this is for safety reasons.]]
[[Image:Pred2 005.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Police officer gets shot holding his G3A3.]]
[[Image:Pred2 108.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One police officer can be seen holding a G3A3 behind tabloid reporter Tony Pope (Morton Downey Jr.).]]
[[Image:Pred2 2073.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:Pred2 2008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer stands next to Harrigan on the rooftop with a G3A3 fitted with an Imatronic LS45 laser sight.]]

== Colt M16A1 ==

When Mike Harrigan ([[Danny Glover]]) goes to the metro station to find Jerry Lambert ([[Bill Paxton]]), a police officer wearing a PASGT helmet can be seen holding an [[M16A1]]. Various M16A1s can be seen when the Colombians pick up weapons at the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-203285.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer with an M16A1 runs past Harrigan and Captain Pilgrim ([[Kent McCord]]).]]

== Ruger AC-556K ==

The short barreled version of the AC556, the [[Ruger Mini-14|Ruger AC556K]] is used by the Jamaican gangsters.

[[Image:RugerAC556folder.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Ruger AC556K - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Jamaican holding a Ruger AC556K.]]
[[Image:Pred2 115.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Jamaican fires a Ruger AC556K.]]

== M1 Carbine ==
A number of [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbines]] were seen on a circular gun rack at the Colombian gang's armory while the Colombians were re-arming with heavier weapons.

[[Image:M1-Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|World War II Era M1 Carbine, with Dark Walnut Stock, 'L' peep sight and no bayonet lug - .30 Carbine - correct for most of WWII, shown with khaki sling and oiler and a period twin magazine pouch for buttstock]]
[[Image:Pred2 046.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Unidentified AK47 derivative ==
Among the many guns (and missiles) seen in the Columbians stash, at least three AK47 or AK47 derivatives (such as AKM) is seen in a weaponbox.
[[Image:Predator 2 akm47.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the right side of Harrigan a few AK47/AKM are seen in the box.]]

=Shotguns=

== Benelli M1 Super 90 "Entry"==

In addition to his Desert Eagle, Harrigan uses a [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns#Benelli M1|Benelli M1 Super 90 "Entry"]] semi-auto shotgun with a cut-down barrel, pistol grip and laser sight. This gun is the same one used in the short lived 80's television series "The Highwayman" starring Sam Jones. Harrigan uses it to kill various gang members and to injure the Predator near the end of the film.
[[File:Benellim1entry5hx.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Benelli M1 Super 90 "Entry" in tactical pistol grip configuration - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Pred2 028.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan grabs his Benelli from his trunk]]
[[Image:Pred2 053.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan fires his Benelli at the Colombians. A total of ten shots even though a tube that short couldn't possibly hold that many.]]
[[Image:Pred2 101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan fires the Benelli at the Predator. Again he fires ten shots from such a short tube. At least the movie's consistent with its inaccuracies.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-222581.jpg|thumb|none|600px|With his shotgun out, Harrigan inspects the Predator.]]
[[Image:Pred2 105.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harrigan holds the Benelli to the predators throat.]]

== Franchi SPAS-15 ==

A [[Franchi SPAS-15]] can be seen being used by an LAPD sergeant ([[Steve Kahan]]) with a laser sight attached to it (which seems rather unnecessary for a shotgun unless it is using slugs) in the beginning of the movie.
[[Image:Franchi spas15.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Pred2 021.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sergeant ([[Steve Kahan]]) with his SPAS-15 in the opening shootout.]]
[[Image:Pred2 019.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the SPAS-15.]]

== Mossberg 500 Bullpup ==

In the opening shootout, several LAPD officers can be seen with the [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 Bullpup]]. It's also briefly glimpsed in Harrigan's trunk as he loads up before confronting the Predator. Garber ([[Adam Baldwin]]) also is seen carrying one as he confronts Harrigan at the end of the movie.
[[Image:Mossberg Bullpup.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500 Bullpup with 18.5" Barrel - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Pred2 2010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Garber ([[Adam Baldwin]]) is seen with a Mossberg bullpup at the film's conclusion.]]

=Heavy Weapons=
== Barrett M82A1 ==

At the start of the movie, one of the Colombian gangsters picks up an early model [[Barrett_M82#Barrett_M82.2FM82A1.2FM107|Barrett M82A1]] from their weapons cache. The gangster with the Barrett M82A1 is [[Thomas Rosales Jr.]], a Hispanic professional stuntman who routinely plays unnamed thugs in motion pictures.

[[File:BarM82Early.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Early model Barrett M82A1 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Pred2 042.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of El Scorpio's gangsters ([[Thomas Rosales Jr.]]) pulls up the Barrett M82A1. When he flips the front-lid of the scope there is a distinct metal sound eventhough the lid is made of plastic.]]
[[Image:Pred2 061.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Side shot of the Barret M82A1 Anti Materiel Rifle.]]

== Iver Johnson AMAC-1500 ==
One of the Colombians is seen taking up a [[Iver Johnson AMAC-1500]] in El Scorpio's armory. Perhaps not the best choice for a stand off with police, as to reload the bolt needs to be completely removed and a single round loaded to fire.
[[Image:amac-1500.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Iver Johnson AMAC-1500 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Iver Johnson AMAC1500 .jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iver Johnson rifle.]]
[[Image:Pred2 059.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A colombian withdrawing the bolt in order to attach a bullet. The order of the scene is reversed. First the colombian is seen attaching a round to the removed bolt, then he is seen in the above photo removing the bolt.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==
Two Colombians pick up two [[M60 machine gun]]s when they are in their weapons cache. One member of the special team headed up by Peter Keyes ([[Gary Busey]]) uses one with the bipod and the sights removed (a la US Navy SEALs in Vietnam).

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 063.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60 is seen behind El Scorpio.]]

== Defense Technologies 1315 37mm ==

Colombian gang leader 'El Scorpio' ([[Henry Kingi]]) uses a [[S&W gas gun|Def Tech 1315]] 37mm launcher, made to act like an HE launcher. Its used to kill or injure two LAPD officers and destroy a Police car.
[[Image:DefTech1315.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DefTech 1315 - 37mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 067.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'El Scorpio' ([[Henry Kingi]]) readies his DefTech 1315 37mm Launcher. Kingi also appeared in ''[[Predator]]'' as the guerrilla that gets blown up when he tries to stop the runaway truck [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] sent careering into the rebel camp.]]
[[Image:Pred2 069.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'El Scorpio' ([[Henry Kingi]]) celebrates after blowing up a police car with his DefTech 1315 37mm Launcher. In reality this is not possible with that weapon, since the explosion looks more like an 80mm mortar round than a 37mm "HE" round.]]
[[Image:Pred2 063.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Come and get it! El Scorpio is ready!"'' The Colombian Gang leader ([[Henry Kingi]]) emotes after taking a large hit of cocaine, while holding his Deftech 1315.]]
[[Image:Pred2 056.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An armory crate filled with Deftech 1315 37mm launchers is seen in the Colombian gang armory.]]

==Browning M2HB==
Among the weapons glimpsed in El Scorpio's armory is a [[Browning M2]] Machine gun.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Pred2 045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2 is seen laying against the wall in the center background.]]

==M47 Dragon==
Among the weapons glimpsed in El Scorpio's armory is an [[M47 Dragon]] launcher.
[[Image:M47_Dragon.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M47 Dragon - 140mm]]
[[Image:Pred2 045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M47 is seen laying against a wall to the right.]]

==Double Barreled Firearm==
A custom double barreled firearm is carried by one of Peter Keyes' men.
[[Image:Predator 2, doublebarrel 11.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Rear of weapon]]
[[Image:Predator 2, doublebarrel 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rifle seen in the hands on the man to the right]]
[[Image:Predator 2, doublebarrel 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the two barrels in the center]]
[[Image:Predator 2, doublebarrel 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The two-barrel weapon bringing up the rear.]]

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Talk:Skyfall

2013-09-13T23:24:29Z

Stickie: /* Regarding the Depleted Uranium Bullets... */

==Bond's main gun==

I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

same. maybe the SIG or he pulls a [[Collateral]] with the [[Heckler & Koch USP]]--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.

:Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)

If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
***My quote made the LA Times. Good for me. LOL --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 10:47, 3 February 2013 (EST)
:That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in [[:File:Usairforce.jpg|This shot]]. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)

I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)

In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).

The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:"he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.

Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)

I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)

While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :)
Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

I don't know if you folks have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU
It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years. [[User:APS221|APS221]] 00:47, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

They should follow Jeffery Deaver's advice and choose the gun from the book Carte Blanche, the book that was going to be adapted into this film originally. Shame it's not going to be-the gun's a Walther PPS .40 S&W. It betters the PPK in calibers and capacity (if you either have an extended magazine or choose 9mm instead of .40 calibre.), and matches it exactly on size. Also, I believe Bond should have a larger handgun inside his vehicle and for use on covert operations. The PP9, while Bond has been using it before and it has a good capacity, is outdated and still a 9mm. I believe it should be a full-sized handgun, still a Walther, maybe the P22 .22 LR, as it is quieter suppressed than the 9mm PP9. I'm not sure weather .22 LR is more or less powerful than 9mm though...anyone? As for the Bond gun debating, it's never going to stop completely. If Bond books and films carry on being made for hundreds more years, better and more concealable guns in better calibers with better suppressors will become available, and people like us will always disagree with the choice, unless the people in charge of firearms choosing at the Bond films come across this site and choose what we say, which is unlikely. The PPK, whilst good in it's day, is severly outdated (it's nearly twice as old as the actor holding it!), the caliber is ineffective compared to the .40 S&W at penetration and damage, and the PPS can be suppressed just as effectively with modern suppressor technology, compared to the .380 ACP with WWII suppressor technology, and is the same size exactly-Walther claim so themselves. However, the big cheeses at the Bond office just see the PPK not as ineffective, or underpowered, or old, but as a symbol of Bond. I think we may have to put up with it for many years to come, until either they see some sense or are fired. I'm sure Boothroyd's turning in his grave. Alasdair.

The thing with Bond is that he needs to use a gun with decent size caliber. If I would choose a new gun for Bond, I would choose the Kimber Warrior, which is meant for marksmen like Bond. Glocks are good, but are not suited for Bond. The Walther P99 as of the guns Bond has used is the best one that he has used. --[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 10:31, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I want to see him with a PPS or something like that. The PPK is nice, but this isn't Ian Flemming's bond anymore. He is a more realistic action hero. A PPS in a IWB holster with a P99 or PPQ in his car. I like Craig as Bond because he is more gritty and honestly, less of a man whore. I have experience with a PPS and I think Bond would too.--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:25, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm a huge fan of the Walther, and i would love to see him use his P99 again, i got a replica of it myself and it's really good. Especially is a Vega Holster!

In the book "Devil May Care", Bond looses his PPK frequently and is mostly seen using, of all things an [[M1911]]. That would be pretty cool. [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 14:55, 8 April 2012 (EST)

While I maintain my opinion that the PPK, properly supplemented at appropriate times like in Quantum, is the only gun for Bond, I am sympathetic to the argument that he should be equipped with a more modern weapon. Therefore, I nominate the new SIG SAUER P224. It is of an appropriate size (unlike the Walther P99), has the proven professional pedigree of the P220/226 line, is of high quality (unlike the poor reputation-dogged Walther), isn’t the everyone’s gun the GLOCK is, and has some style and panache that the PPS, GLOCK, USP, and their polymer look-alikes lack. I would prefer 9mm for an agent operating worldwide, but the P224 is available in .40 and .357 SIG (now that’s a serious caliber). --[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 23:01, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

:Of course the big problem with a non-Walther gun is that apparently the franchise has a fairly nice sponsorship deal going with Carl Walther GmbH. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:09, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

If the franchise has a big sponsorship with Walther, then why don't Walther make a gun especially designed for James Bond? It could be tailored to meet his needs (suggestions as to what they might be, please), and then they could release it for sale to the public. They'd make a fortune by selling it to James Bond fans, and serious shooters if it was very good. Q could make a big deal in-film about how good it is, and how Walther have made it especially for him. Good idea? Alasdair.

:Well, because imagine the PR when the gun made specially for James Bond is used to hold up a bank, they'd never hear the end of it, nevermind the kind of "MGM is arming our kids!" nonsense they'd get anyway. That and if you're a gun company exec and someone pitches that idea to you, your first reply would be "why not just have him use something we already make?" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:55, 10 April 2012 (CDT)

The whole debate about whether he should be using a PPK should be treated in the same way as whether it is realistic for Bond to engage in so many scuffles in nice, taper-fit Tom Ford suits and Church leather shoes. The cut is simply unrealistic for someone who wishes to conceal serious firepower. Given his obvious fondness for the Italian cut in his suits, it is fitting that Daniel Craig/James Bond should choose the PPK instead of the P99 he had used in the first movie, but, alas, such weapons remained adequate today for a Walter Mitty who would not see much more action. Since the 1970s, an operator carrying a PPK would simply not be taken seriously by fellow professionals, and would be laughed out of the Special Forces Club. A serious operator would simply rather wear a suit with the horrendous sack-like American cut, than do without a true combat pistol.

A former SBS operator would really be more likely to carry a SiG-Sauer P226. He might sacrifice two rounds to save 0.1 inch of butt length by carrying the P228, but someone who really means to can conceal either under a suit jacket. Even women operators could conceal a Heckler and Koch MP5K under their jacket. So the producer or director really missed a chance here to turn James Bond from being a mere walking advertisement for luxury brands to a more serious character (like back in Casino Royale).

Oh, by the way, using an Olympic Arms K23B is the ultimate mark of un-seriousness in a professional. Someone get that girl a HK 416.
:It's most likely what was avaiable and "unique" to the character in the scene. Personally the barrel would have given it crapped accuracy and shooting a guy brawling with a friendly on a moving train would take some expert marksmen even with a better rifle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

:One word for you - TRADITION. Bond's always used a PPK (except in the first few novels), it's pretty much his signature gun. I'm glad they've gone back to it over the P99, which just never had the same classic feel to it.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 10:45, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

Of course. But that still means that the more edgy and realistic Daniel Craig reboot, which started so promisingly in Casino Royale, has now officially gone off the rails and U-turned back into cheesy entertainment territory. If that's the case, please give me back Pierce Brosnan's easy charm, Roger Moore's humour, or Sean Connery sheer animal charisma, not Daniel Craig's brooding sulkiness.

:I don't see how you can claim they've totally rejected the serious tone and gone back to being cheesy fun JUST because he's using the PPK again. Especially as you haven't even seen the film! I mean, do you not realise what a ridiculous jump in logic that is? That's like saying "Because Bond has a beard in one scene they're going to bring back Madonna."--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 02:51, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

I really wish we'd see other Walthers. Nothing wrong with "tradition' but how about the newer P99 or the PPQ or the PPS? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

:Here's a solution to allow MGM (and Walther) to make boatloads of cash off an "official James Bond" pistol and not risk their reputation by having it used in an inappropriately-violent manner--make and market a PROP gun (that has a movable trigger/hammer, working magazine release, and dummy magazine, but obviously cannot be converted to live fire) that resembles what James Bond uses in a future movie. Just look at how many adults (and kids) will shell out lots of cash for prop lightsabers from the [[Star Wars]] series. If I were feeling in a "Q" mood, I'd mandate that it must have a tactical flashlight and laser sight at a minimum, and possibly a single-shot taser/stun gun weapon rail-mounted under the barrel just in case Bond needs less-lethal takedown capability and doesn't feel up to hand-to-hand combat. If you want to keep the prop out of the hands of kids, make it a "only X units produced" luxury good, possibly sold first at auction (so as to keep the price above what most little kids can beg and whine to their parents for). As for cheesy, aside from the various obvious film errors you can spot in the theatrical cut (i.e., Bond goes for a dip in a frozen lake and seconds later emerges completely dry), it seems that Bond has been taking notes from Sam Fisher (specifically the "Mark and Execute" gameplay mechanic from [[Splinter Cell: Conviction]]). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 11:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:And what's to stop people using that to hold up a convenience store? There's a reason you can't buy Airsoft guns in this country without jumping through god knows how many legal hoops first or painting it bright green. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:13, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:Really, I think the only criticism that should be had regarding the PPK is what situations it got used in: Bond would carry it even into drawn out firefights with enemies equipped with assault rifles and modern combat pistols. He always picked up a bad guy's gun (or armed himself with one from the start; the Piz Gloria battle in ''[[On Her Majesty's Secret Service]]'' had him enter the fight with a Sterling), but it seemed odd when he went into a highly dangerous situation without upping his arsenal. If he kept the P99 in his glove box and used it when he needed the extra power and capacity, that would be fine.

:That said, the PPK fits Bond's character. Moving away from the obvious arguments of how such a sleek looking pistol fits him or how the PPK is too iconic to eliminate, it suits someone who needs an extremely concealable weapon and has the skills needed to make it effective. I mean, the guy shot someone through the eye with a nail gun with one snap shot at a rather long range for a gun that isn't meant for actually firing its projectiles through the air, and that's just talking about the Craig Bond. It doesn't matter if he needs a gun that can punch through modern body armor if he's not carrying it into a situation where he can be expecting to be getting into firefights with guys in armor, and even if he did, he's good enough that he can pop them in the head.

:The PPK works for him for the exact same reasons people continue to carry it to this day: it's extremely small and slim and unusually accurate for a gun of its size (Hickok45 can hit the gong at over 100 yards with a PPK/S, so someone like James Bond being able to hit a man size target at a quarter that range isn't out of the question). People still use .32 ACP and .380 ACP effectively to this day, and .45 ACP still has plenty of stories where it failed to drop the bad guy instantly. The effectiveness of a round is based on shot placement, and the sheer kinetic energy of the bullet only does so much to compensate for that. I would trust James Bond to easily be able to kill me with the first shot even if I came into battle with the gear of the North Hollywood bank robbers. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 06:04, 6 February 2013 (EST)

== What Happened??? ==

In [[Casino Royale (2006)]], Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

You mean the footchase at Tower Hill? Maybe, and correct me if i'm wrong he just shot someone....

I'm pretty sure Bond was chasing/shooting at someone so that would explain it [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:38, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

==CO19 holster weapons==

The lads from CO19 seem too have a Glock in their holsters. The norm for police carrying sidearms in the UK is a Glock 17, so its safe too assume that they are also Glock 17s.

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Several of the Bond forums have photo threads and their are images of the armourer hand the CO19 actors Glock 17s and G36s.

Regards,
Tecolote

==Trailer unknown gun==

The teaser trailer dropped today, and I have clocked an unknown gun around 1:11. It is scoped and suppressed, but I am unable too identify it. Can someone have a look and possibly screencap it? Cheers lads

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:It was an odd looking thing, whatever it is. It is mostly in shadow but you get one good whole weapon shot of it when there is a flash of light:
:[[File:Skyfall sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:I think if it is a real gun it is highly modified. My guess would be that it is a covert gun that passes as something else (like the [[(Day of the Jackal) - Custom Sniper Rifle|Day of the Jackal]] rifle), as the trigger is a random metal loop, and that vertical part is not a magazine, but appears to fold down from the front as a sort of monopod. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:06, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

It is some type of bolt action for sure,and definitely a covert job.
Regards,
Tecolote

The bolt looks like something off of an Accuracy International rifle.--[[User:6pulkpancerna|6pulkpancerna]] 11:37, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Thanks, I should have known that as I was examining an AI in .300Win. the day before yesterday.

Regards,

Tecolote

I would say its a grease gun--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:26, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

:It deffinitely has nothing to do with an M3, as it is a bolt action feeding from a rifle size magazine (in the trailer it clearly shows the magazine being inserted into the rifle). The large vertical part appears to be a hand grip or support strut of some sort and is not a magazine. As for it being an Accuracy International I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think it is. First off the bolt stem on an AI AW curves backwards, and the bolt on this is straight. Also, the bolt is too far forward from the front of the weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:28, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I was just kinda throwing it out there. If it is a M3, it looks like it is highly customized. But now I know it is not a M3.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 17:10, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

I don't think we'll be able to tell just from this. It looks almost like a custom mockup built around a real weapon. Hell, considering the unusual trigger, box-shaped suppressor, and various almost unrecognizable bits and pieces, it could very well be a completely inert prop with CGI firing. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 20:36, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

It could be a prototype weapon where the design has not been released to the general public. Otherwise, it is just a complete custom mockup.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 21:40, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

:Um, if the general public don't know about it then how is a movie director going to ask for one? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:59, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

looking at the bolt area and where the stock attaches, my money would be on it being a PGM Ultima Ratio, obviously heavily mocked up, but impossible to say for sure without more pics - TheSpannaMunkee

this rifle appears visually similar to the AMSD OM 50 Nemesis with a large amount of visual modification [[User:LachlanDMcCahon|LachlanDMcCahon]] ([[User talk:LachlanDMcCahon|talk]]) 01:54, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

You get a much closer look at it at the end of the Skyfall section of ''007 Legends''; since I imagine the game's designers had some access to the prop, it might be useful as a source of ID if it's a decent enough match to the movie version. I'll see about getting a shot of it. Also the Patrice boss fight in that game is stunningly dreadful. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:33, 21 January 2013 (EST)
:From what I've heard, "stunningly dreadful" pretty much describes the entire game. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:00, 21 January 2013 (EST)
::Yeah, at best it's mediocre and it isn't often at its best. But Patrice in particular is a throwback to the bad old days of sci-fi FPS bosses where you fight a totally ordinary man with a stupidly powerful weapon who can soak up enough firepower to sink a cruiser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:25, 21 January 2013 (EST)

[[Image:Patrice-Sniper-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Patrice-Sniper-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Also I'd forgotten that this re-enacts the part of the movie where Bond defeats him by abusing the hell out of a bunch of invincible glass doors. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:49, 21 January 2013 (EST)

:That looks pretty accurate to me, here is a shot from the trailer which shows the odd shape of the magazine well, and it seems to be a match. The texture on the side of the magazine is incorrect for the game gun though:
:[[File:Skyfall sniper rile load.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:As to what the gun is, I still am not sure. I can't 100% justify this, but I have this feeling that the base of the weapon may actually be a Remington 700 in an AICS, without the polymer stock on the outside, and with a fabricated metal box over the top. [http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc356/03rangerxlt/AICS%20Installation/DSC00651.jpg Here] is an image of the bare chassis. To me it looks like what they may have done is to machine off the mag well forwards of the finger hole (hence the rough bare metal edge visible in the above shot). The shape behind the magazine well in the trigger area also looks like a match to me. If this is the case, everything upwards of the horizontal line about a centimetre below the ejection port is a cosmetic box, which would explain the rough finish appearing as if it is simply sheet metal that has been painted, rather than a more durable finish you would see on a genuine weapon part. There also appears to be some rough machining on the channel that the bolt handle travels in, which would also be part of this cosmetic fascia. Although not very clear, the magazine also looks like the [http://shoowars.info/img.php?fl=a406n4i443p2p256u4p4q2n4m5j434l4f5g4j4p5t5s4l4u2a4l4f4t22606c4r494w5g516u2n4f4n4l434j414v2q2q264v2v203039444p2v2o5n484 extended ones] that you can get for the Rem 700 AICS. Just to add before anyone suggest it, I don't think it is a genuine AI, as the magazine and bolt handle are the wrong shape for starters. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:07, 22 January 2013 (EST) One more thing, go [http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/misc/35909-aics-stock-install.html here] to see a load more images of the chassis, along with a standard length magazine which I believe is a match for this one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:32, 22 January 2013 (EST)

== Additional images to be Id'ed ==

These are some more images from the trailer. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:16, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

In order: 1. Bond's PPK, which he promptly reloads

2. I assume his HK416 during his house shootout

3. The strange mock-up seen above

4. A Glock, or possibly a SIG? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 01:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

[[File:SkyF 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I'm hoping the gun in that last image is a P99 [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
::Number 4 isn't a Glock and I don't think it's a SIG either, it looks to have a slide mounted safety like a Beretta 92FS but the front profile makes me think it's some sort of Browning variant. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:22, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

The gun on the last picture looks like a P99 to me...But a 92FS isn't a crazy thought, maybe he picked it up from a Silva tug or something..

I'm inclined to think either Browning or 1911 variant --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:07, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:I reckon it's probably some sort of Browning or 1911 variant, the frame looks too long to be a P99. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:48, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
I've taken a new screencap of the silhouette of the strange SMG thing he has, the best I could find. It looks vaguely like the silhouette of a MAT-49, though I doubt that's what it is. Hope it helps nonetheless: http://i49.tinypic.com/359ecl3.png [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:43, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:Look a couble of sections up and you will see a cap of it in the light, where you can see it is actually cuilt on (if anything) a bolt action rifle. What you are seeing as a long SMG magazine is a cosmetic thing stuck on the weapon which appears to be folded forward for storage. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:05, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

You know, i guess it's maybe a H&K USP because it looks like it so much
:Number 4 could be a HK USP actually. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:28, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
Haha, someone who's agreed with me ;)
:Sign your posts though. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:42, 24 May 2012 (CDT)
All right, will do. --[[User:Walther_arms|walther_arms]]

Picture No. 4 is a Glock 17;there are a number of newly released stills that confirm this. Apparently Bond disarms the guy pointing one at him inthe percussion cap dueler photo and winds up aiming at(or maybe shooting) somebody with a 2 handed hold.
The dueler is almost certainly a Pedersoli repro of a LePage dueling pistol.

Regards,

Tecolote

Should there be a page made for Ola Rapace? The actor fighting bond wielding the converted Glock 17 and the unknowne Sub-Machine Gun?-Bravejoker

== trailer weapons ==

seen the new trailer bad guy seems to have custom take down sniper rifle fits with the mytos of the films allso looks like bond goes back to the p99 all i have seen is a bad blurry image but the trigger guard is defeniatly not a ppk jump in any one who can clear this up--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:49, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

ok the courtyard gun in the trailer 1 got a better look at it seems to be a glock 17 --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:46, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgr2syY_OU4&feature=youtu.be --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 09:58, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

:Awesome!! Just wanted to point out that there is also a slightly different US version, also viewable on the jamesbond007 channel on YouTube. I don't know about you guys, but I think this has some serious potential...--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:54, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== Signature Walther PPK ==

a pistol Signature gun that only 007 can use did they not use this in license to kill in 1989 at least they upgraded the caliber to .380 acp (9mm x 17mm short) which is slightly better than the .32 acp (7.65x17mm) that was used in the books and films--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 14:51, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Kinda. In License to Kill it was a sniper rifle disguised as a camera that was the gun that required a palm scan, not the Walther PPK [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 19:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== "12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun" ==

I've read that this is "Anderson Wheeler 500 Nitro Double Rifle" (source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=465931593424952&set=a.430960320255413.102948.154596811225100&type=1&theater ); may it be true?
[[User:Pawelm|Pawelm]] 17:43, 2 August 2012 (CEST)
:I remember an article about a set visit where they were talking about the fact that the big bad in this film is fond of antique British weapons and uses percussion pistols and a .500 Nitro Express rifle, so that ID might be right. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:59, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
::I've changed the identification, since you are probably correct. For those who are interested, here is the company website: [http://www.andersonwheeler.co.uk/double_rifle.php Anderson Wheeler Double Rifle] --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:07, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

== Trailer ==

I watched the new trailer this morning, and at the bit when Bond meets Q, I swear I could have heard Q saying the PPK is infact a PPK/S. Could be wrong, but did anyone else notice this? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:Yeah, it was even mentioned on the main page of Skyfall. I think it could definitely be a blued PPK/S based on the grip size. Can someone who knows PPKs better than I do confirm this?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:13, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

::Am I the only one who thinks that there might be a sort of shooting competition between Bond and Silva? I mean, look at the main page, where the P99 and the Flintlock pistols are. Bond is wearing the same suit, the background is the same and it's the same time of day. Just some food for thought --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 02:34, 3 August 2012 (CDT).
:::I don't think that's a P99, it could be the Glock that he has pointed at his head in the screenshot with Silva firing the Flintlock. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:24, 3 August 2012 (CDT)

Ive taken a close look at the screen cap of Ola Rapace firing the Glock and if you look close enough it appears there is a selector switch on the side, meaning it could be a genuine Glock 18. -Bravejoker

==Just seen it==
Having just seen the film, I can happily say there were plenty of gunfights and we'll be spoilt for choice when screencapping it. There were so many closeups, especially of the PPK. Here's a list of all the guns I spotted:

* Walther PPK – used by Bond (naturally), Eve and M.
* Glock 17 – used extensively by London Met, Silva and his team when disguised as police officers. Bond definitely uses one on the island; it's not a P99.
* Glock 18 – used by Patrice during the opening scene in Turkey, first fitted with a Beta-C 100-round magazine, then standard 33-round magazines.
* Possible Steyr M9 – used by Silva during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
* M4 – used by MI6 guards.
* H&K 416 – used by Silva’s men and several by Bond during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
* H&K MP7 – used by Silva’s men on his island.
You're welcome - --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 15:20, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

:Fairly sure the pistol Silva had at the lodge was a [[Steyr M9-A1]], the shape of the frame around the rail is pretty distinctive. I think this may have also been the pistol that was used by one of the 3 bodyguards at the Macau place with the komodo dragon pit, you see it when Eve stamps on the guys arm to stop him picking it up (I think this is what happened, can't remember the exact chain of events). Also I think Patrice uses a Glock 17 during the assassination later in the film, in the shot where he removes the suppressor it has no selector on the left side of the slide. There was also a machine gun mounted on a Merlin helicopter during the climax but didn't get a clear look at it due to it being dark and the brief shots of it. My guess is that it is an M2, or possibly an M3M, based on the mounting. Also, I think we should simply say that the Anderson Wheeler 500 NE Double Rifle is used by Bond during the films climax, anything over and above that I would consider a spoiler (at least until the film is on home release and most people will have already seen it). I still have no idea what the weird sniper rifle is, it seems like it was designed so that the case itself is part of the gun (the scope is the carry handle and the long piece at the front is the front edge of the case), but I don't see the point of having a suitcase that turns into a gun when you can just carry a suitcase with a take-down rifle in it. Still, was a great film IMHO, would highly recommend. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:09, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

::Just saw the film again on Friday and, yeah, you're right it is a Steyr M9A1, I get the two mixed up. Patrice also ditches his Glock 18 when it runs empty and uses a standard 17 during the assassination scene, like you said. Also, I spotted a Tokarev on some news footage, but the footage was paused before it was fired. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 15:53, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:::Are we certain that it was an actual Glock 18 as a Glock 17 is usually just converted to fire full auto than them using an actual Glock 18. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 17:21, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::::It definitely is, the fire selector is clearly seen when it is first used. Conversely we can be relaively certain it is replaced with a Glock 17 later on as it lacks the selector (although the shot could have been flipped, I didn't look at the ejection port). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:40, 11 November 2012 (EST)

I believe the pistol used by the third bodyguard before Eve stomps on his arm was actually a Walther P99, the rear end looked pretty similar.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 19:41, 11 November 2012 (EST)
:Possibly, I have only seen the film once and is a very brief shot. However, at the time it struck me as a Steyr M9-A1, and if it is not then it is quite a coincidence that a definite one turns up later in the film. Also, I don't think they would include a Walther P99 in a Bond film and have Bond not use it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:01, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::No, it definitely wasn't a Walther, the front end was too tall. A Steyr is our best guess at this stage. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 08:16, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Just to confirm, the MG mounted on the Merlin is an M2HB, it is visible in [http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=70141 this] VLOG about helicopter filming about 25 seconds in. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

== Quick question regarding the police shootout during M's public inquiry ==

Would an armed British police officer in real life be allowed to open fire straight away on the bad guy, if the bad guy suddenly starts shooting without warning? --[[User:Btgr|Btgr]] ([[User talk:Btgr|talk]]) 03:27, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:I believe the rule is "real and imminent threat to life". If the suspect has already opened fire then they are justified in shooting back without warning. But don't quote me on that. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:14, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Another question I can think of. Does anyone here know any famous shootouts that involved armed Metropolitan Police officers in real life? --[[User:Btgr|Btgr]] ([[User talk:Btgr|talk]]) 15:12, 30 January 2013 (EST)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom#Notable_incidents Read this. It lists all of them involving mostly CO19]. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 17:07, 30 January 2013 (EST)
::I wouldn't really call any of those "shootouts". In fact the incidents listed there are mostly unarmed people or bystanders getting shot rather than armed criminals or the police. Now that I think about it, I can't even think of an incident where there was two way firing that the Met were involved in. Lethal incidents that I can think of either involve armed criminals being shot by the police before they can draw their weapon or fire, or incidents where unarmed police were killed by armed criminals, such as the Shepherd's Bush murders. One of the biggest "shootings" by the Met that I can think of was when [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azelle_Rodney Azelle Rodney] was shot, where multiple officers shot the tyres of the suspects car with Hatton rounds from shotguns whilst another shot at Rodney 8 times with his G36C through the drivers window. This is a case of the suspects being armed but not actually shooting though (they were armed with a .25 Auto derringer converted from a self defence gas gun, a Baikal IZH-79 gas gun (which is based on the Makarov PM) rebarrelled to 9x18mm and threaded for a suppressor, and a deactivated Colt .45 which had been partially reactivated). Just FYI for anyone who is curious, the Baikal IZH-79 has become one of the most common weapons used by armed criminals in London due to its ease of conversion and the fact that it can take a suppressor. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:47, 30 January 2013 (EST)

==PPK palm print scanner ==

Something just occurred to me on how much of a problem the palm print PPK can be and a problem in the scene it was first used in China. Bond checked his gun to see the green light but later one after he got off the elevator, he was wearing gloves...how does the gun go off with him holding the gun when the gun only fires when it reads his palm print? It's also obviously they wrote the palm sensor device for the one scene when "not odd job" takes his gun away and tried to shoot him. After that, we never see this kind of device ever again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:05, 4 February 2013 (EST)

I just watched the film again and maybe I missed something but I could have sworn that when he had the PPK in his hands he had his gloves off and when he put the PPK away he put his gloves back on? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 21:41, 12 February 2013 (EST)

That's my point. Does the gun only work on him or can anyone in MI6 use it? What happened if M had to use his gun during the final shoot out and he loses the palm print gun really early and gets a regular PPK later on so...this new tech was just pointless. I'd rather Q gave him that exploding pen. Would have been useful [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:00, 12 February 2013 (EST)

==Beretta 70==
Why is it even listed? You never see it at all. It's only mentioned.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:50, 15 February 2013 (EST)

== Add'l Images ==
==Beretta Model 70==
While not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a [[Beretta Model 70|Beretta 70]] strapped to her thigh.
[[Image:Beretta 70.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 70 - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Skyfall 20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a [[Beretta Model 70|Beretta 70]] strapped to her thigh. She responds by saying you can never be sure with handsome men carrying Walthers.]]
[[File:Skyfall-eve-ppk.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Promotional image of Eve holding a Walther PPK/S.]]
[[File:Skyfall-raoul-silva.jpeg|thumb|300px|none|Promotional image of Raoul Silva holding a Steyr M9A1.]]
[[Image:SkyFall-Tower-Chase-Bond-PPK.jpg|400px|thumb|none|A picture from the set, showing James Bond during a foot chase at Tower Hill.]]
[[Image:Skyfall Glock17 CO19.jpg|thumb|none|200px|An SCO19 police officer has a [[Glock 17]] in his thigh holster (circled in red).]]

[[Image:B23-03359-r-jpg_221011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James Bond wielding the PPK in a shootout.]]

[[File:SkyF 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond takes cover while carrying the HK416.]]

[[Image:Skyfall-20120411105930324_640w.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Production image of Gareth Mallory ([[Ralph Fiennes]]) as he picks up a Glock 17.]]

[[File:Skyfall-kincade.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Production image of Kincade holding his Model 1878.]]

== Shotgun ID ==

Is there any reason for the very specific ID of the Colt Model 1878 as the shotgun used? I personally doubt this is the case, as firstly it seems like an odd shotgun for a Scottish game warden to be using, but more importantly it looks different to me. If nothing else the barrel release on the movie gun is under the trigger guard, whereas on the Colt it is in the more conventional (these days) position on top of the grip. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:47, 16 February 2013 (EST)
==Glock 18==
having just watched the movie again,plus seeing some screencaps from other sources,I noted the top of the slide of Patrice's Glock 18 is solid,not
cut out as in the C model. It is a standard Glock 18, not an 18C.
Regards,
Tecolote

== PPK or PPK/S ==

I'm pretty sure that the only PPK/S in this movie is the one that Bond brings to China with the palm scanner.

The PPK's in the opening scene and the one back in London look like they have wear on them. They also don't seem to have the extended beavertail that the new Walthers have. I am pretty sure that these have to be the regular PPK in .32 ACP, as that had been used in Quantum of Solace. Also, The image of Bond reloading his PPK in the market in Istanbul shows the grips to be more reminiscent of a standard PPK (grips wrapping around the back of the gun grip) as opposed to a standard PPK/S (grips only on the sides of the grip, back of the grip is stainless steel). --[[User:TwelveTrains|TwelveTrains]] ([[User talk:TwelveTrains|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

:Also I think the side shot of the Walther during Bonds shooting test shows it is a PPK, as the back of a PPK/S grip plate is further forward with a square edge at the top. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:38, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

I have finally found the signature function for my above post I made a while ago. Do you think I should change the main page so it accurately reflects the PPK .32 being used and not the PPK/S .380? --[[User:TwelveTrains|TwelveTrains]] ([[User talk:TwelveTrains|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

== Spares ==

There's no reason to have twenty-two caps of the same gun for a two hour movie, especially since the gun itself isn't actually that clearly seen in a lot of them. I've trimmed it down to "only" twelve. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:08, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
[[File:SkyfallBeginPPKDraw.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond draws his PPK before entering a room.]]
[[File:Skyfallbeginppk.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond holds his PPK while entering a room.]]
[[Image:EmptyPPKSkyfall.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond's PPK runs dry.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond levels his PPK while clearing a room.]]
[[File:Skyfall1933u8Range.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond looks very unhappy with his firearms qualification results.]]
[[Image:SkyfallPPK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Promotional image of James Bond ([[Daniel Craig]]) as he holds the Walther PPK/S in Shanghai. One might wonder why his palm print gun would still work with his gloves on, but in the film he doesn't actually wear them while holding the pistol.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 91.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond opens fire with his PPK during the inquiry board attack.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M ([[Judi Dench]]) stays in cover with Bond's PPK at the ready in the finale when Silva's men attack Skyfall Lodge.]]
[[Image:Skyfall-MPPKS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M with the PPK. Dench does a good job at keeping her eyes open when she fires the gun.]]
[[File:SkyfallRangeTremble01239.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond's hand trembles while holding the PPK.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond with the PPK/S while in Shanghai as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:Skyfall-Toy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond aims his PPK at Silva under the tube station.]]

== Regarding the Depleted Uranium Bullets... ==

If we take 100 9mm parabellum cartridges and swap all the lead bullets for depleted uranium, load them into a 100 round Beta-C mag, and then load that into a Glock 18 - How much would all of that weigh? Would it be possible to brandish and fire the gun with one hand?
Also, does anyone have any idea as to how much explosive propellant would be needed to make one of these DU bullets move at anything close to a useful velocity? Would it even be possible to fire such a round without completely destroying the pistol, and most of your arm with it? [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 19:24, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Skyfall

2013-09-13T23:23:57Z

Stickie: /* Regarding the Depleted Uranium Bullets... */ new section

User talk:Evil Tim

2013-05-20T01:17:12Z

Stickie: /* Naked Gun undo..? */ new section

''Earlier discussions: [[User Talk:Evil Tim/Archive 1]]''

== What are the rules ==

Sorry to drag you into this; you're simply an admin whose talk page isn't locked. Simple question: what on earth happened here:

http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mutant_Chronicles&action=history

My notes on the talk page for the were a genuine and good-faith attempt to contribute and they were deleted without comment. I presume I've offended some obscure house rule of yours, but regardless, it's a pretty arrogant and unilateral thing to do on the part of MoviePropMaster2008, and hardly the way to encourage people to get involved.

== Gun Brand Pages ==

Yo. So now that at least 2 admins have contributed to the new "Gun Brand Pages" is it safe to say the idea is sticking? I want to keep working on these but I dont want to spend all this time just to have them deleted. I'm still new to this site so whats the procedure for getting this approved by the powers that be? Happy holidays, [[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 08:06, 24 December 2011 (CST)
:Thanks for your help with the [[Heckler & Koch]] page. Any feedback? You like the format? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:46, 25 December 2011 (CST)

== Kampfpistole ==

Thanks for your remarks, they make perfect sense. I did not check my e-mail in the last few minutes so I was totally unaware that somebody else (you) was working on the same page. This way we can keep eachother busy, right? My apologies for driving you crazy!

Reason that I wanted to rename 'Walther Kampfpistole' to a more generic 'Kampfpistole' is that today I read an about the history of this gun. Originally a flare pistol ("Heeresmodell 1934"), from 1943 onwards it was produced by both Walther and Erma as ‘Kamppistole’ (no further numeric nomination) having a big 'Z' on the side indicating that it had 'Zuege' (German for grooves) so that small explosive charges could be fired more accurately. The article did not indicate an original designing manufacturer so I figured removing ‘Walther’ would be the right thing to do. If you say that Walther is indeed the company where it all started, then I can only agree to keep matters as they are.

As for the LP-42, I see what you mean. Problem is that ‘Kampfpistole’ is actually a very generic name simply meaning ‘battle pistol’ (just like ‘assault rifle’ may apply to AK-47 and M16 alike). In this case, both guns are correctly referred to as ‘Kampfpistole’ but they are of completely different design. As such, I would suggest to remove the ‘Kampfpistole Z’ image from the LP-42 page, leave matters as they are and not merge, wouldn’t you agree?

By the way, what do you mean by “please don't edit war, it doesn't help”? I am not aware I have been changing anything else today than the Kampfpistole. Take care, let me know what you think and Merry Christmas, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 10:36, 24 December 2011 (CST)

:Good to see your remarks, be my guest to make changes; I will stay away from the subject for a few days hahaha Not sure of you are aware, but 'Leuchtpistole' is yet another generic nomination. It's German for 'Flare Pistol' so I think it would not be correct to put all 'Leuchtpistols' on one page, not in the least because the designs are very different. Take care, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 10:58, 24 December 2011 (CST)

==Spammer==
Since you are one of the most active admins on this site, here is a spammer I consider banning: [[User:Grishacka1929|Grishacka1929]]. Highlighted in blue is his [[Lifetime asks, contends actual...|contribution]]. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 18:52, 24 December 2011 (CST)

==This guys is crazy==
He's a raving asshat. He's another Liam, save for the fact he does know his 1911s. But he's also being a jerk. Okay, so M1911 is the MILITARY designation, the Colt Govt. Model is the company's name for the pistols they sold to the public. M1911 is used by a lot of people as a generic description for that type of pistol. When I say Commercial M1911, I mean a commercial version of the M1911. There is nothing actually erroneous about that description. But think about it. People KNOW the difference between the M1911 and the M1911A1, they know that there were improvements made between the wars. Just calling them the Govt Model doesn't help people to ultimately get to know the difference. Boy, I sure attract a lot of guys who hate on me. This guy needs anger management. Now if we need to update the descriptions, we can. On his conduct, you were right. His rage makes him an unacceptable element on IMFDB. Doesn't matter how much he knows. If he becomes that abusive that quickly, then he is not the personality type that moves IMFDB forward. Thanks for the note. I think I (we as in you're a mod too) need to come up with a code of conduct that warns people to be polite. There are sites out there that are so deathly afraid of offending someone's sensibilities or their freedom of speech, that they are often held hostage by people who promote bad behavior. We welcome corrections when they are done in the right way. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:20, 25 December 2011 (CST)

==Se7en==
Sorry, but this page is really kind of ruined when the actor's name is mentioned. It's not really vital on this page to know who the actor was that used the weapon is on this page as much as what character used it. I understand that you disagree with a lot of edits that a particular user makes, but I'll be on the case to let the user know if the edits go overboard. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:30, 25 December 2011 (CST)

==Kampfpistole Z==
[[Talk:LP-42_Flare_Pistol|Any objections?]] Sounds reasonable. (I hadn't really been following the Kampfpistole saga, I sort of just stumbled into it.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:08, 27 December 2011 (CST)

== Salt featured article ==

Can you change the [[Salt]] entry on the featured article template from a SIG SG553 to a P556 SWAT with a SG550 lower please, as it is locked to me. I recently changed it on the Salt page, but featured article just came up and noticed it was now wrong. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:04, 29 December 2011 (CST)

== Dead links ==

Hey man, I've been working on converting a number of pages from the list format over to a wikitable. I've noticed that there are some cases where a movie is listed, but there is no page for that movie. For example, if you look at the [[M1911A1]], about halfway down the Films section [[Nowhere to Run]] (1993) is listed, but there is no page for it. Should it be removed when I convert it to a table?

(As a side note, I'm not actually editing the M1911 page, that was just the quickest example I could find.) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 15:52, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:Gotcha. That's super helpful! Thanks.--[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 23:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)

== Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009 ==

Yeah, did some reseach, this game is available in Europe, bt it is under a different name (Same game, different name), it is called "Cabela's Dangerous Adventures". And it is available for the PS2, PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360 (The page is for the Xbox/PS3 version). Don't know if you have an Xbox or a PS3, so that is up to you, and it is dirt cheap by now. - [[User:1morey]] January 15, 2012 12:40 PM (EST)

== Copyrights ==

Hey man. I was just updating a page and I noted that the "copyrights" link at the bottom that shows up any time you edit a page is now red. When I clicked on it I noticed that you deleted the page. Just wanted to make sure you were aware that every time you edit a page or a discussion post, a link to that page shows up on the bottom. Any issue with me putting up a redirect on the old Copyright page that takes you to the "General disclaimer" page? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:18, 16 January 2012 (CST)

==Copyright page==
There's still time... (Seriously though, is there any legal reason why TOS's and disclaimers have to be a solid block of text? During my newspaper days, we avoided solid blocks of text whenever possible and cringed whenever we saw them in other papers. It's just telling readers "Don't read this.") --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 12:36, 16 January 2012 (CST)

== Manufacturer Template ==

I created a template for the manufacturer pages ([[Manufacturer Template]]). I am going to add a link to it from the <nowiki>[[Category:Manufacturer]]</nowiki> page. I would love any input from you and other admins on it. I want to make it as straight forward as possible. Thanks! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 13:36, 19 January 2012 (CST)

==GLOCK==
GLOCK (in all caps) is the official name of the company as stated on their website. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:31, 21 January 2012 (CST)

== Re: NSV ==

Hi. Thanks for the info. It is strange though, why would KBP have an image of the Kord on their site, which is made by Degtyarev? --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:27, 22 January 2012 (CST)
:I am totally confused now... >< Please delete the pic then, I reupload it with a correct name if and when I will make a page for the Degtyarev compnay. Thanks. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:56, 22 January 2012 (CST)

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==Idontthinksotim==
I don't this is actually directed to you. It's a catchphrase from the American series ''Home Improvement''. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 04:41, 21 February 2012 (CST)

== Top Shot - Season 3 ==

Hey man. I saw your edit on [[Top Shot - Season 3]]. While I get what your saying that revolvers technically are pistols... That distinction isn't made elsewhere on the site. For example, the [[NCIS]] and [[Burn Notice]] pages, some of the most popular on the site, list '''Pistols''' and '''Revolvers'''. It seems like an unnecessary distinction to make... I respect my elders and know you are an admin, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest or anything but it just seems unnecessary to me, particularly since that isn't the way it is done elsewhere on the site. Thoughts? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 15:44, 23 February 2012 (CST)
:IMHO, it seems like '''Pistols''' and '''Revolvers''' fall under the overall heading of '''Handguns'''... "When distinguished as a subset of handguns, a pistol is a handgun with a chamber that is integral with the barrel, as opposed to a revolver, wherein the chamber is separate from the barrel as a revolving cylinder." Webster gives a similar definition. I take back what I said previously. Based on a little more research it seems that a "pistol" always refers to a Handgun where the chamber is integrated in the barrel. For example, a [[Derringer]] would be a pistol despite not being semi-auto. Any handgun with a rotating cylinder would be a revolver and they would all fall under the overall category of '''Handguns'''. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:48, 23 February 2012 (CST)
::Thats actually really interesting! Never knew you guys defined it differently over there. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 11:24, 24 February 2012 (CST)

== SOCOM 4 ==

So I'm in the middle of leaving a message for Commandoninja137 (the guy who created the SOCOM 4 page, if were calling 'that' a page...) warning him that the page was about to be deleted because of his lack of effort. I had JUST added the ''nuke'' tag to the page right before i posted the message on his discussion page. When i posted it with the <nowiki>[[SOCOM 4]]</nowiki> tag, the link came up in red. I'm thinking "huh, I musta mispelled it"... but no. You beat me to the punch and got rid of the page literally seconds after I nuked it. GOOD MANNNN!!! :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 15:29, 25 February 2012 (CST)
:I'm kind of surprised the page lasted as long as it did. I wanted to just delete the stuff copied from Wikipedia, but then the page would be completely empty and would look even worse. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:45, 25 February 2012 (CST)
::Yes, I know. I grew suspicious because it was a little too... nice. I cleaned up and consolidated the dead links a few months back, and I don't think there's a single SOCOM game here that could be considered complete. I know they're console only, but still...

== DVD Screenshots ==

I mostly have DVD and the Blue-Ray I have is a Blue-Ray/DVD combo pack so I'm set. What I'm wondering though is can you get screencaps from things like Hulu and Netflix? --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 09:29, 26 February 2012 (CST)

== Re: G36C ==

It indeed looks similar, although the nomenclature appears to be different. Anyways, I will add it and if someone can find a better match, he will change it. Thanks. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:52, 27 February 2012 (CST)

== Masterkey in Homefront ==

Hi. Please change the Masterkey's gun image on the [[Homefront]] page to this one, as this has a slightly better quality, and it is visible that the rifle is actually a KAC SR-16, not a Colt M4.
[[Image:KAC Masterkey.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Masterkey shotgun mounted on a KAC SR-16 rifle - 12 Gauge]]
Thank you. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 07:55, 25 March 2012 (CDT)

== Grenades ==

DAMITTTTTT. Sorry about that mate. I will be more careful. Frankly I didn't know there was such thing as an Airsoft grenade... Thanks for alerting me to the mistake. :-)

While I'm writing to ya, I might as well mention the [[AK Gallery]]. I totally get what you are saying about guns like the Dragunov and will 100% defer to your judgment. I felt like it was worth putting them on the page since they look similar but if you don't think they belong, I totally understand. It's all about what will be most useful in identifying the guns. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 11:23, 27 March 2012 (CDT)

== Doom Nuke tag ==
I put the nuke tag due to this subsection of the rules.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#Anime:_Rules_.26_Restrictions
Also the page was previously deleted on the same grounds.
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:42, 30 March 2012 (CDT)

== The Dark Knight ==
A) Seriously? You've never seen ''[[The Dark Knight]]''? B) Yes, that is a bigger spoiler, I'd tell you more, but I don't want to spoil anything for you, C) Come on, seriously? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 02:11, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

::Which is the reason why I removed the reference in the page. That particular user who wrote those captions constantly gives away important plot points for no good reason. The user has been warned. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:19, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

== This is Glock17gen4, why was I blocked? ==

I have done nothing wrong, and you blocked me and reverted my edits. Here's the reason you left: "(Abusing multiple accounts: Hey there Burt, you're still banned, go away.)" My name isn't Burt, it's Danny. I tryed to use the Glock17gen4 account to contact you about this but it wouldnt allow me to leave a message on your talk page, I would like the block reverted please, as I dont know who this "Burt" is and have done nothing wrong. I really think you have me confused with someone else...PS: do you have email we can discuss this on? [[User:SaferSephiroth|SaferSephiroth]] 20:40, 6 April 2012 (CDT)

== What's all this then? ==

http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bunni&redirect=no#I_need_you_or_another_admins_help.2C_my_other_account_was_blocked_wrongfully. Is this the usual suspect? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 17:19, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

== I am not this Burt Reynolds Mustache or Person of Interest guy, please quit blocking me! ==

Dont you check for IPs before you make such decisions? I am not this character you think I am. Please unblock me! The only reason I changed the gun on the PD page is I was going off of what the GE 007 page said. If that wasn't right then I am sorry, I did not know. I just know all the classic guns in PD are based off Goldeneye 007's guns. I was trying to keep the page accurate, is there anything wrong with that? [[User:RugerLord|RugerLord]] 14:25, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

ET, do whatever you think is best. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 14:40, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

== FlaK ==

Very sorry. I've heard of what you're talking about, but thought it was abbreviated differently.

== Read the rest on that bunni guys page ==

Hey listen, I'm sorry about messing up your page, but seriously dude. You didnt listen to me when I was nice, and I'm sorry about Rockwolf's page too. I have no issue with anyone on this site except you because you keep wrongfully banning me after I helped out. I contacted other admins and the sites owner about this. And you still wouldnt give me a fair chance, so yes, I'm human, I went off on you because I had had enough. I like guns and Goldeneye, I really wanna help with this site, but if I keep being harassed, then how can I do that? PS: I also didnt take to kindly to you and your friend refering to Irish people as "Liams". I'm Irish, and that offends me. [[User:ColdSteel|ColdSteel]] 20:48, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

== Ok done ==

It wont allow me to change on the Goldeneye 007 main page but I put the upload on the Walther PP series page and the Goldeneye talk page, it's a genuine .32 ACP PPK the same as Bond uses, and I think you'll like the pic quality alot. [[User:ColdSteel|ColdSteel]] 21:21, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

== Blocked User ==
The poster was obnoxious and irritating. I just felt like if he comes back he doesn't need to get the change to be an jackass again. Meant to block him earlier, but then I forgot. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 13:59, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== Ellipses ==

You're right, there's no reason to correct them, but is there a reason I shouldn't? Seriously, if there's a reason, I'll stop. --[[User:Cheywoodward2|Cheywoodward2]] 20:32, 12 April 2012 (CDT)
:Alright, I will stop be such so pedantic about my ellipses. I may forget once or twice. If I end up doing so you my have my apologies. Also, your writing style makes you seem like a very pleasant and knowledgeable person.

== Re: Trolling ==

The whole argument of the section didn't have anything to do with improving the page in question. Yet I'm being the target of moderation. How more unfair can it get? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:25, 14 April 2012 (CDT)

:That would be a fair argument if the 'not-forum' rule was enforced and the only thing one could find on Talk Pages is weapons and accessories identification and nothing else. But that's just not true. And a simple commentary among many others won't suddenly cause IMFDB to collapse. --Masterius 09:37, 14 April 2012 (CDT)

::I did not want to go into the whole political debate on who's right and who's wrong. Are you sure there were no points that could have gotten a rise out of me? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:45, 14 April 2012 (CDT)

OK, OK, Mr. Wolf was right. You won. So long, and thanks for all the fish. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:49, 14 April 2012 (CDT)

== Sorting Out User names ==

Thanks for taking care of that. When I don't see any further contributions right after a new user account is made, I tend to be more suspicious. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 16:29, 16 April 2012 (CDT)

== Bot ==

Have you notified the other admins? Are they aware of the situation? It's hard to tell who's online sometimes, but I'll do what I can. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:55, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
:So it's an American bot. Anyway, I'll do what I can. I'll probably be monitoring for another hour, then I have to step out. I should be back on later tonight though. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:06, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

== Glock 18C ==

Hey man, so I just noticed that some guy has once again tried to replace the Glock 18C image with his own. You had previously reverted his upload... Rather then reverting it myself, I thought I would mention it to you... [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg Picture in Question]. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:11, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

== FNP ==

Hey man. Some guy just made a bunch of weird edits to the [[FNP]] page. He changed all the specifications for the FNP-45 to values that are not correct (based on both wikipedia and the FN website). He also added a ransom show that has no page on the site. Do you mind rolling back his edits so I don't have to correct each mistake? Thanks! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 17:37, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

== Chronological Order ==
I'd have to dig it up in the forums but I was told by a Mod a couple years back that if the page has a relatively low number of firearms (20 or less) to use chronological order. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 13:36, 20 April 2012 (CDT)

== Forum ==

I made your forum account a moderator. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:44, 21 April 2012 (CDT)

== Devil May Cry. ==

Aite. No worries. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 11:04, 6 May 2012 (CDT)

== Nukes... ==

I'm sorry. You're right. :-( Let me explain where I'm coming from (just so you don't think I'm trolling the site looking for pages to nuke). I am in the process of trying to convert every gun page from the list format to table format. As I go through, whenever I find an entry that is missing a date I go to that entries page. If that page has an "incomplete" tag, is far from complete and hasn't had any work done in a longgg time, I have been nuking them. As was mentioned in the forum, these are (for the most part), drive-by creations. Pages made by a user who was here for a few weeks and then never returned.

But, at the end of the day, you are correct. I will tone it down on the nuke tags and reserve them for REALLY poor pages. Sorry. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 09:52, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

== re: M57 ==

Yeah, and looks like he added a bunch of other Zastava guns that were not featured in anything yet. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:02, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

== Infoboxes ==

Hey. So first off, a disclaimer, I am posting the following message for each of the Admins so don't think I'm spamming. Just want to get input from all of you. I have been working on a number of infoboxes for different pages ([[Template:Infobox Movie]], [[Template:Infobox TV]], [[Template:Infobox Video Game]]). I have already gotten some help from [[Bunni]] who installed an additional add-on to facilitate the templates. I would love to get some feedback from you (and other admins) regarding these. Do you like the format? Are there things you would like changed? Should additional information be added? The nice thing is that with the add-on that [[Bunni]] installed, you do not have to provide all the information for the infobox. Any variables left blank will simply not be printed.

Finally, I would like to see how you feel about my adding these to pages. I have gotten positive feedback from a number of users (including at least 3 admins) but before I add this to more than a dozen or so pages (which I have done for testing purposes) I want to really get full permission. I know that sweeping changes are a '''MAJOR''' no-no without full admin approval. Check out the thread in the forum (http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1942). I look forward to hearing your feedback! :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 11:15, 9 May 2012 (CDT)

== "The following weapons..." ==

Oops.... I haven't exactly been consistent on that one. Thanks for letting me know. Sorry about that. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:57, 11 May 2012 (CDT)
:That makes sense. I will make sure to do that from now on. Sorry (again...) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 12:12, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

== RE5 ==

No, it was with an AI Sheva. I cannot play co-op because the online part of G4WL games does not work in Slovakia. BTW, there was an Ithaca and a Skorpion in her inventory, but no ammo for them, so probably that is why she went with the Beretta. (I also put grenades and mines to her inventory, so that she cannot pick up ammo.) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:27, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

== Minor Note ==

I totally get what your saying and agree. We did discuss this a while back. I have stopped removing the entry with the exception of pages that were deleted for not meeting IMFDB standards. And even then I only remove them if the media in question doesn't meet standards, not just because the page wasn't complete. In other words if the page was deleted because no one had worked on it I leave the entry but if the page was deleted because it was a Documentary or a youtube video then I do delete the entry. Thanks for staying on this! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:07, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

== Image Error ==

I would try to upload an image to overwrite it eg. uploading something with the same file name. May be a size issue. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:48, 31 May 2012 (CDT)

== GoldenEye ==

Hey. Thanks for taking care of [[GoldenEye 007]] for me! What do you think of the new [[:Category:See_Also|templates]]? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 13:46, 5 June 2012 (CDT)

== Your LAW Pic ==

No offense, but is that a picture YOU took? Also the end cap has broken off and that particular one is a trainer (not the sub caliber trainer but a classroom trainer) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:37, 5 June 2012 (CDT)

==aha==
Yes, that is the first model LAW, the M72. It doesn't have the metal framed front site but has a solid piece of clear plastic. When the Army demilled them, they just snapped off the plastic front plate, which makes it hard to fix because the clear plastic base (with the spring) is still in the sight base. Apparently that was done because the first pattern sights were 'night sights' and were "radioactive". That pic is still a trainer though. I will try to post a pic of the actual first pattern LAW. I have one, but like most folks, my front sight is broken. They really did some weird stuff to that LAW for the film though (pyro insert tube not withstanding). :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 13:56, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

== Thank ya! ==

Many thanks bud! I promise to use my powers for good. If you, or any of the other admins, ever feel I'm over stepping, please let me know. I may be an admin now, but I still defer to the more senior admins. As for the bot, it is a giant work in progress. If I actually manage to figure out how to make it work, we will get creative with the name. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:39, 26 June 2012 (CDT)

== Unrelated to firearms ==

Are you the same Evil Tim who [http://lparchive.org/Castlevania-64/ Let's Played ''Castlevania 64'']? [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 16:42, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

== RE:Stinger / Redeye ==

Done, does that look ok? They don't really look as alike as the SVD and PSL, think it is just the case that people seem to identify any shoulder launched missile as a Stinger when they don't know what it it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:33, 27 July 2012 (CDT)

== Template: Screenshot ==

I took care of the optional argument for a page title. That was a really good idea... If you have any more ideas like that, give me a holler and I'll make um happen. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 13:18, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== Evil Tim? ==

Evil Tim? As in the lets-player? If so... FINISH GOLDENEYE DAMNIT!
Also, I love you :3 --[[User:Chris Jeremic|Cheers, Chris J]] 03:10, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

== Killer Uzi ==

It looks like this guy is the ''Everybody Hates Chris'' guy. I was going to perma-ban him just for that, but it turns out that the last guy to make that page WASN'T banned. What do you think? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 07:50, 8 August 2012 (CDT)
:I thought that too, but do you think he's smart enough to completely switch genres? Van tu/leavemealone/Michael Myers covered all the same pages and had the same MO with all of this accounts. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:39, 8 August 2012 (CDT)
::Talked again, you're right, probably the same kid. I gave him six months. You can go over the transcript, maybe you'd like to give him more. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:26, 16 August 2012 (CDT)
:::KillerUzi seemed a bit calmer than Liam, who obviously is venting his rage (at Zackmann, of all people, who wasn't even a user much less an admin when he got booted.) I don't think he'd claim to be younger than he actually was. Liam's previous lies have been about inflating his self worth. Besides, we have a name for KillerUzi. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:35, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
::::Oh, a copycat. I got to read his deleted bio a few minutes ago. Upstate NY and no caps. Declan (KillerUzi) is from upstate NY as well. Oh well, we have a new tidbit for his IMDb page: "Does not take rejection well." --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:52, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
:::::Is KillerUzi the same as Gunner95 then? We made the connection because they both claimed to be 10 year old filmmakers. Gunner95 kept trying to make a page for HIS film, a film no one else could've possibly have seen, which is actually documented on IMDb. The other pages that Gunner95 made also gel with Declan's IMDb bio. So let's lay out the facts here: Layla was a sleeper, almost definitely planted by Liam. His bio also fits with Liam's air force fantasy. Layla also came overnight (East Coast time,) so Layla is probably not Declan (who's a ten year old on the east coast). Weston has the same MO as Layla, but claims to be from the same area as Declan, and that's something he could've only known if he either knew Declan or his movie, since neither KillerUzi or Gunner95 disclosed that here. So maybe they're friends? They both claim to be filmmakers, maybe there's a connection there. Family relations? They both have vaguely Irish names. (oooh, Irish, another connection...) (I've been watching too much Law & Order, can you tell?) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:16, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
:::::::From the Blacklist, it looks like KillerUzi WAS Declan. Hmmmm... --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:26, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
::::::You just made me think of that scene in ''Naked Gun'' where Nordberg puts his foot through the door and gets stuck. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:41, 17 August 2012 (CDT)

== New User ==

??? You gootta be a little more specific there buddy... Not really sure who or what you're talking about... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:11, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
:There are 2 people who are authorized to create new users. Myself and Bunni. Seeing as Bunni is the owner and manager of the site and that HE authorized the account, I'm pretty sure its okay. Furthermore, Chris and I have already discussed this individual and you needn't worry about him. If he does cause trouble, Chris and I will be all over it but we have spoken with the individual in question and are not worried. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 13:15, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

==Re AKS-47==

Don't we already have an image of a Type 3 AKS-47? Also, the one you're adding has a bit too much white space at the top and bottom. Evil Tim 10:07, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
Okey, well I thought that the picture was a good display of a T3 underfolder. But if I cut the picture so there's less white, would it be better? --[[User:TheJoker|TheJoker]]

==Hey==
Sure, if you want. I didn't think I had enough to warrant an archive though. As for Goldeneye, looks good. If you have a game that brings in a bunch of kids, mistakes come with the territory. The guns in the game certainly look a lot better than the original. (I still can't believe all the grief the original has caused.) BTW, what do you use to get console caps? My capture device kinda sucks, and I've been thinking about upgrading. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:02, 14 August 2012 (CDT)
:Ah yes, Hauppauge! I had one of their TV capture cards back in the day. I'd still use it if I was trying to get caps from an NES. I tried getting caps for ''[[Call of Duty: Finest Hour]]'' a few months ago with the no-name device I had, and it sucked. I've been looking into upgrading. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:09, 14 August 2012 (CDT)
::$185 on Amazon, yikes! --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:09, 14 August 2012 (CDT)
:::I played the Wii version on my buddy's Wii when it came out, and I DLed the demo of the Xbox version a few months ago. It wasn't bad, it was just... unremarkable. I don't know why they keep trying to trade on the ''Goldeneye'' name when there are plenty of other Bond titles that have never had a game. I was encouraged when EA did the ''From Russia with Love'' game, but I guess Activision thought differently. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:45, 15 August 2012 (CDT)

==BO2 Pics==

Im ok with take screenshots of the entire screen but theres just one problem: the four gamescom videos have been made private and those videos have weapons not seen in the other previews. I have screenshots but there the ones you warned me about so should I upload them or wait till someone can get full screenshots?[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 14:17, 14 August 2012 (CDT)

== New Vandal ==

FYI [[User:Weston1911|Weston1911]] is indiscriminately vandalising random pages. Have undone his edits so far, seems like the new system keeps out the bots but not the dicks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:08, 17 August 2012 (CDT)

Is there any particular reason he puts so much effort into messing stuff up? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:24, 17 August 2012 (CDT)

== Commando ==

I'll do you one better... It is done. Good thinking. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 09:49, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
:Also, sorry for "Weston1911". Thank you for helping clean up his mess... :-( --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:17, 17 August 2012 (CDT)

Thanks for the admin recommendation! --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:12, 17 August 2012 (CDT)

== Spam ==

So spam has dramatically decreased lately as a result of the new system put in place by [[Bunni]] but we still have the occasional jerk who gets through. For future reference, if anyone does start doing stuff like our pal [[user:Weston1911|Weston1911]] did, will you message me? I am compiling a "blacklist" that includes the e-mail and IP the user used when they registered. It will help prevent them from registering in the future. Thanks man! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:33, 17 August 2012 (CDT)

: Weston1911=Liam? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 14:59, 17 August 2012 (CDT)

::I was wondering about that myself.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:38, 18 August 2012 (CDT)

== Removed Picture of SIG-Sauer P228 ==
Why have you removed my picture of a SIG-Sauer P228!? It is a blankadapted gun and I haven't removed the other picture of a P228. Tell me why please. --[[User:thejoker|thejoker]]

== Removed Picture of Kalshnikov AKS ==
Have you also removed my picture of a AKS with folding stock unfolded? Why do you do this, whats wrong whit the pictures according to you? It has taken me quite alot of time to find these images and crop or cut them down whatever, it makes me a bit irritated to be frank with you. --[[User:thejoker|thejoker]]

== Re Removed Picture of SIG-Sauer P228 ==
This picture is also of a blankadapted SIG, and I didn't remove the other picture of a SIG, I only added mine that is in high quallity defination. Also even if the picture already there is a SIG P228, i don't claim otherwise, actually looks more like a air-soft gun. Look at the talkpages for SIGs and you see other has maked that claim, and said that they would have wanted an aditional picture. --[[User:thejoker|thejoker]]
::HI there Evil Tim. I admit that the Sig P228 is probably the worst gun in our inventory. It had been slid under a truck and had been actually repaired several times. It is NOT an airsoft, but it does look like crap. The grips were sanded down for some strange reason a long time ago and I don't know why. I will pull another P228 today and resubmit it. Great work BTW. I've been pretty busy with movies and stuff so I have not had time to resubmit gun pics. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Re Removed Picture of Kalashnikov AKS ==
You are right that it is a small picture, but it is the only picture of an actual AKS with the stock unfolded, the old picture I put up which was taken from the right side I removed because I had touble uploading it and if you use it you have to put it in uneven, strange, number of pixels or it will look compressed. The size of the new picture is adequate in size to use, I thougt You shouldn't have the reference picture the same size as the screencaps anyway. --[[User:thejoker|thejoker]]

== Re Removed Pictures ==
Okey, I wont argue any more about the SIG P228 picture as he will upload a new one. Why I started replacing AKS pictures was because users had used the Type I AKS with a stamped receiver when the guns in the screencaps were clearly of milled receiver type, also since the Type I AKS had it's stock unfolded I thought it would fit to have a Type III with a stuck unfolded, wich makes the guns in the picture match the AKs with woodn' stock in size which looks better.The picture that I uploaded before, the one that looked compressed, sometimes actually needed to change more than one px, not always though, to update so it would look uncompressed. I tried whit one and then took of one px at a time untill updated. I'm not the best at how all this stuff work I admitt that but I'm telling you what actually hapened. If [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]s pictures is the ones to go with we, or you as I don't know how to talk to him on his page, sould ask him to upload an aditional picture of an AKS Type III with it's stock unfolded. --[[User:thejoker|thejoker]]

== Smith & Wesson Revolver In Code Name Red Rooster (Täcknamn Coq Rouge) ==
Are you good with identifying revolvers? I'm not that good at that, or I don't think so anyway, so could you take a look at the page of this movie and see if my assumption of the gun I labeld as a S&W Model 27 is right. I can't see if the barrel is tapered but it looks slimmer then what a barrel of a Model 29 in .44 Magnum (wich it is said to be in dialouge) appears to be. I appreciate help with. --[[User:thejoker|thejoker]]

== Age requirement ==
I have no qualms about imposing such a requirement. We just have to publicize it. And do we grandfather in the existing underage users or boot them? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:00, 19 August 2012 (CDT)

== Octopussy Unknowns ==
Did you delete the unknown listed guns on the Octopussy page? In that case, why did you do that? If you didn't think they sould be on the main page why not just move them to the talkpage? Why delete them compleatly? [[User:Thejoker|Thejoker]] 10:43, 21 August 2012 (CDT)
:Sorry someting was wrong the first time I saw the page today, sorry about that! [[User:Thejoker|Thejoker]] 10:47, 21 August 2012 (CDT)

== FPG pictures ==

He didn't replace a real gun image actually, the one Zack added was an airsoft as it is marked "FPG". --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:34, 25 August 2012 (CDT)

Not really, I think that is just left over from when someone got confused and thought that the FPG was the production version and FMG-9 was the prototype. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:29, 25 August 2012 (CDT)

== Ground Zeroes ==

Hi.

Can you recreate the article? We have more than one weapon exposed now (the Mini-UZI in addition to the FN FNC, as well as some other weapons), so it would warrant it. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] 00:08, 2 September 2012 (CDT)

== "Personal Attack" on Rockwolf66 ==

Evil Tim, when I reversed his reversion of my reply to him on the M16 Series Talk page, I removed the Personal Attack thing and just left the rest of my reply to him. Can I bring back my comment again without anything that could be seen as attack? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 15:28, 3 September 2012 (CDT)
:Yeah, I was going to remove the second half. Also, yeah, even though the STANAG magazines were never fully accepted by NATO, they're still called STANAG. Also, apparently, they're a "Draft STANAG". [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 09:07, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

== MGS3 Hind-A ==

Sorry for not getting to this sooner but I found [http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-24.htm this article] and apparently the Hind A can mount Yak B's and they can mount the GSh-30K. I've read the talk page and some mentioned how the devs messed up and the mg on the Hind looks like a DShK which could be possible due to dev laziness and just mounted it one there since its the only heavy machine gun in the game.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 15:25, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

Just FYI, the gun on the Mi-24A (don't say Hind-A as that is a NATO designation referring to several different versions with different armaments) has a Afanasev A-12.7 machine gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:47, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

== Tactical Ops: Assault on Terror ==

Tactical Ops: Assault on Terror isn't my page. I am just cleaning up the grammar and adding game content to it. I love TO:AoT and still play it on my computer. I saw a few mistakes in content and a lot of bad grammar and started to rearrange the text and tidy up.

As for the Heckler & Koch SMG II / MP2000 mistake, I thought they were the same program. Gun magazines I read during the trial periods made it seem like they were one and the same. Maybe you should expand the entry, as I have never heard of SMG I / SMG II as being distinct programs an there is no mention of MP2000.

[[User:Hotspur23|Hotspur23]] ([[User talk:Hotspur23|talk]]) 23:39, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

== Black Ops 1 Live Action Commercial==

After seeing that the live action commercial for MW3 was screencaped and put on the talk page I decided to do the for the first Black Ops live action commercial. The problem is that I can barely read the talk page for it without Firefox crashing on me so I was wondering if you could archive it so I can post the screenshots. Thanks.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 15:41, 20 November 2012 (EST)

== Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater ==

Why is "The Boss's signature weapon is the "Patriot," seemingly an M231 Firing Port Weapon" the preferred information for the "Patriot" entry when the [[Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistol|Patriot]] actually exists? --[[User:Rufford|Rufford]] ([[User talk:Rufford|talk]]) 11:24, 25 November 2012 (EST)

== Re: AC3 ==

Yeah, now I see. The original author was supposed to add at least the names of the characters even if he could not identify the gun. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:34, 28 November 2012 (EST)

== 1887 ==
I did that because the image had vansihed from everywhere as far as I could find. It's the same image. What do I need to do exactly? I see that it's still there so why restore the old one when we have the same image just under a new name.Not trying to start an argument mind you just curious. Thanks. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 09:10, 6 December 2012 (EST)
Okay. I didn't see that image of the shark. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 09:45, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== Bozitojugg3rn4ut ==

I quite concur. Let me discuss it with the rabbit. :-p --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 12:26, 8 December 2012 (EST)
:Thank You for suggesting me. Will continue what I did before. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:59, 8 December 2012 (EST)

== Star Wars ==

[[User:Lenijo|Lenijo]] redid the edit that you had undone on [[Star Wars]]... Did he discuss this with you? I do NOT know enough about the movie and the props to know if he is correct or not... I'm going to leave it for now but wanted to make sure you were aware. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 19:54, 8 December 2012 (EST)

== Spambot ==

Thanks for catching that. Funky took care of it already but good eye. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 10:57, 18 December 2012 (EST)

==Binary Domain pistol==
It looks like a SIG-Sauer with a USP-style safety. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:52, 21 December 2012 (EST)

== MGS4 Speargun ==

Hi.

Regarding the Speargun, you can find it on here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIUl7oc1Tcc

In fact, it's at the very beginning of this ad (0:02-0:07).

I don't know the make, though.

[[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 19:06, 22 December 2012 (EST)

== Tropico4 ==

Hello! You are right, thank you for your vigilance. I was going to edit it but it seems another user has done it. I am new to this whole wiki editing business, is it custom to respond on something you wrote on my user page discussion by writing on yours? Or should I write my message under your message that was posted on my page? Thanks for helping a newbie out. Peace [[User:Innawoods|Innawoods]] ([[User talk:Innawoods|talk]]) 07:07, 31 December 2012 (EST)

== Style guide ==

I didn't even think of mocap. I asked about it last year when I finished the Tintin page, but I don't think I ever got an answer. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 02:58, 10 January 2013 (EST)
:I was thinking about adding a blurb on some of the more obscure actors who had prominent roles in video games, like [[James C. Burns]] (voice and mocap of Frank Woods) and [[Rich McDonald]] (voice and mocap of Section) like I did for [[Craig Fairbrass]]. I suppose you could add a blurb for stars like Chow Yun-Fat or Sam Worthington as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 03:12, 10 January 2013 (EST)

== Skyfall ==

The vertical grip is a lot longer in the movie, which made me think it was a magazine. It looks like a prop that was just whipped up. If I recall, doesn't he carry it dissembled in a briefcase? There's no reason it should be this blocky.

Sometimes an entry in a series is good good, it ruins the series because no subsequent entry can compare favorably with it, (''[[Aliens]]'' always comes to mind) and I always thought Bond games were victims of ''Goldeneye 007'''s success and legacy, but that sounds truly awful. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:43, 22 January 2013 (EST)

:I've put forward my random opinion on the talk page, which is that it is built off of a Remington 700 AICS chassis without the plastic outer stock. I haven't seen it since it since it first came out in the UK, but I think the reason it is blocky was that it was actually built ''from'' a suitcase or something crazy like that. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:30, 22 January 2013 (EST)

== Bioshock Infinite - Kar98k, not 1903 ==

Check out the upper handguard on the sniper rifle in Bioshock: Infinite. Clearly that of a Kar98k, not a Springfield 1903. Additionally, the rear sights match that of the Kar98k. There are no discernible features on the sniper that resemble a 1903, other than the generic-looking buttstock. (Just to mention:) The front sights are enfield-style, which is odd.

So, let's tally things up:
Similarities to 1903: Front sling attachment.
Similarities to Kar98k: Rear sight, upper handguard.
Similarities to Enfield: Front sight.
I'd say the Kar98k still wins out. Unless you can provide pictures to support your claim that it is more similar to a 1903A3, I'm gonna have to change it back to the Kar.

==Crysis 3==
FYI, I have finished screencaping and finalizing the page. Anything else you want to add or change, feel free to do so. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99|talk]]) 21:40, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
:Well, to be honest, the Crysis games now, with the exception of the first one, are very disappointing and dissatisfying anyway compared to the [[Far Cry]] series, which got even better with [[Far Cry 3]] (although it got monotonous after the game is completed and all of the outposts are captured). Besides, the plot of [[Crysis 3]] is nothing interesting and can be simplified as, "I'm Prophet and I can kill everything!" and a smaller step backwards compared to the older games. Also, I only notified you of the page so you can offer whatever comments you have of the subject based on whatever we know from the older games since there's so much to the game and it makes occasional references to the first game that I might be missing a few things. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99|talk]]) 20:53, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

=="GTA 2: The Movie"==
I've been wondering about this for a while now but I wasn't sure if the promotion video for Grand Theft Auto 2 could be documented here. In case you didn't know the "GTA 2 Movie" is really an unnamed film released by DMA Design (now known as Rockstar North) and is currently available on Rockstar's site. The reason I am asking is because I am not sure where exactly to put it since GTA 2 doesn't seem to have anything resembling "real" firearms (take a look at the HUD icon for the [http://images.wikia.com/gtawiki/images/a/a7/Pistol-GTA2-icon.png Pistol] and per the rules dose not warrant a page.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 19:20, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

==Blood Dragon==
It appears rather unprecedented. I think the closest comparison I can come up with offhand is ''Command & Conquer: Red Alert'', and that ended up spawning its own franchise. Like I said before, I think it should be its own page, as it's a standalone, has an independent plot, looks dramatically different, and FC3 page is already pretty big as is. If ''[[Call of Duty: United Offensive]]'' has its own page (and I don't think it should), this should certainly qualify. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:13, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:Oh, absolutely. I actually tried merging it with the ''Call of Duty'' page a few months ago like I did the ''Jagged Edge 2'' and ''Jagged Edge 2: Unfinished Business'' pages, but it was too much of a pain. I can go either way with ''Warhead'', since it's its own game, but with the same plot and weapons as ''Crysis.'' --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:18, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
::Zombies needs the actual COD game to run however, and at least when it began, it used the same weapons and levels of the root game. (It's pretty much its own franchise now, they might as well just make the next Treyarch game all zombies.) I didn't know it was only five weapons, however. Then, I suppose, there's no point. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:46, 3 May 2013 (EDT)

== HD Images ==

:If you say so.

:My image from a DVD, is 1,353 × 566 pixels, file size 175 KB, or .175 Mbits:

:Your image from a Blu-ray, is 1,920 × 797 pixels, file size: 120 KB, or .120 Mbits:

:Please explain to me how a file with 120 KBs has ''more'' information, or "data" if you prefer, than a file with 175 KBs?

--[[User:Elzzupa|Elzzupa]] ([[User talk:Elzzupa|talk]]) 8:22, 8 May 2013 (PDT)
::My point was that the ''source'' image (DVD or Blu-ray) is irrelevant with respect to the quality of a JPG. I hardly think that is a controversial statement. --[[User:Elzzupa|Elzzupa]] ([[User talk:Elzzupa|talk]]) 8:47, 8 May 2013 (PDT)

:::We are talking past one another. Not much point. Over and out. --[[User:Elzzupa|Elzzupa]] ([[User talk:Elzzupa|talk]]) 9:42, 8 May 2013 (PDT)

I'm not mistaken and I am not lying and you guys are just plain wrong. I really don't care what you think; the images speak for themselves. ''[[Battle Cry]]'' came from a used DVD, which I played on my Toshiba laptop and used to capture the images. What you see on my pages is exactly what came out of my computer.

So, if you think I'm mistaken, it is you, kind sir, who is mistaken.--[[User:Elzzupa|Elzzupa]] ([[User talk:Elzzupa|talk]]) 11:07, 8 May 2013 (PDT)
:Thanks, Tim. I appreciate it. I am still new here and will doubtlessly make a lot of mistakes before I figure things out. But I do like contributing and I value the comments and advice from those of you who are more experiened on the site. .--[[User:Elzzupa|Elzzupa]] ([[User talk:Elzzupa|talk]]) 06:30, 13 May 2013 (PDT)

== Game screenshots ==

Hi. I have noticed you have done several video game pages on IMFDB, and was wondering if you could help me out. I recently got rid of my old laptop and built a semi-powerful PC. I have always concentrated my focus on films and television series on IMFDB, but now I have the chance to do video games too. I just don't know what to use when taking shots from video games. There's a couple of games I see here that lack proper screenshots, and since no one else seem to be wanting to finish them off, I might as well give it a shot. I've tried a couple of screenshot programs like Gadwin and Greenshot, but they were not to my liking. I've heard Fraps is good, but my roommate/friend says it's a piece of crap. If you could give a tip or two, I'd be grateful. Thanks in advance, --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 08:26, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

::Wow, thanks for the swift response. I've used Steam's screencap utility before, usually when I'm playing e.g. Red Orchestra 2 with my friends (The game's pretty glitchy and offers funny screenshots on a daily basis). I think I'm gonna give Fraps a shot, see if it is to my liking. And thanks for the tip on the mouse, I have an older Logitech gaming mouse and I'll definitely be dedicating one of these buttons to taking screenshots. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 07:20, 10 May 2013 (EDT)

== Naked Gun undo..? ==

Why didn't you like me using that "S..." word? It was certainly more accurate than just using "disastrous" on its own.
[[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 21:17, 19 May 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Police Academy 5: Assignment Miami Beach

2013-05-15T17:30:48Z

Stickie: /* The scene in the lift */ new section

==Para Ordnance in '88==
Para was just arriving on the scene, back then they where just frame kits, also the P13 wasn't introduced until '94. http://www.paraord.com/new/why_about.php It's definitely not your basic 1911 used, the only others besides Colt that where making them in the 80s that I can think of is AMT, Randell, Springfield, custom kits like Caspian too. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:32, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:Nick Lassard ([[Matt McCoy]]) carries a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Para-Ordnance P-13|Para-Ordnance P-13]], a high capacity .45 semi-auto.
[[Image:Para Ordinance P-13 45.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Para-Ordnance P-13 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PA5 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

It's definitely not a commander. It's a full sized 1911, possibly an AMT Hardballer. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:45, 23 April 2011 (CDT)

== The scene in the lift ==

I would do this myself, but my only copy of the movie is pretty old and the quality is not really good enough for the site - If anyone else has the means to do so, and thinks it's a good idea, I think it would be cool to get a screen cap of the scene in the lift just after the curly haired kidnapper (Sugar) farts and all the others shuffle away from him. Reason being that the bald kidnapper at the back (Julio), right of frame holds one of his nostrils closed with a finger and the other with the barrel of his 629 - it's a pretty funny shot but hard to spot. I've had the movie for years and only just noticed it. [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 13:30, 15 May 2013 (EDT)

The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!

2013-04-29T17:31:27Z

Stickie: /* M1911A1 */ "Disastrous?" Noo - He saved the day!

[[Image:TheNakedGunCover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!'' (1988)]]

''The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!'' is the feature film adaptation of the cult TV series ''[[Police Squad!]]''. [[Leslie Nielsen]] reprises his role as the bumbling Lt. Frank Drebin. The film's cast included [[George Kennedy]], [[O.J. Simpson]], [[Priscilla Presley]], and [[Ricardo Montalban]]. The film was written and directed by the same team who made the original ''[[Airplane!]]'' and would produce two sequels.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Colt Detective Special==
Lt. Frank Drebin ([[Leslie Nielsen]]) uses a [[Colt Detective Special]] as his sidearm in the film.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38spl.]]
[[Image:NGColtDetectiveSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Drebin ([[Leslie Nielsen]]) fires his Colt Detective Special from the backseat of the driver's ed car, which he commandeered to pursue a criminal.]]
[[Image:NGColtDetectiveSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Drebin searches his house (with acrobatic flair!) with his Colt Detective Special drawn.]]
[[Image:NGColtDetectiveSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Disguised as an umpire, Drebin draws his Detective Special during the Angels ball game when he spots an assassin.]]
We also see a full ejector shroud model with the longer sight as the sidearm of Capt. Ed Hocken ([[George Kennedy]]). Vincent Ludwig ([[Ricardo Montalban]]) shows off his mind control watch to his co-conspirator Pahpschmir, in which his assistant draws a full shroud Detective Special and tries to fire it at him, and puts the gun to her own head as well, only for it to be empty.
[[Image:Colt detective spl 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special with full shroud - .38spl.]]
[[Image:NGColtDetSpecFullShroud-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ludwig's assistant, Dominique ([[Charlotte Zucker]]), pulls a Detective Special out of a drawer.]]
[[Image:NGColtDetSpecFullShroud-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The assistant tries to fire the unloaded Detective Special at Pahpschmir and herself. This appears to be fitted with a larger model's grips.]]
[[Image:NGColtDetSpecFullShroud-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ludwig with the Detective Special while grinning over the success of his mind control watch.]]
[[Image:NGColtDetSpecFullShroud-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Capt. Hocken ([[George Kennedy]]) with his Detective Special drawn during the ballgame.]]

==M1911A1==
An [[M1911A1]] is the sidearm of Det. Nordberg ([[O.J. Simpson]]) during his infiltration of the boat "I Love You" before being shot up and barely surviving. Angels outfielder Reggie Jackson, under the control of Vincent Ludwig ([[Ricardo Montalban]]), is also seen pulling an M1911A1 from under a base plate at the ball game, using it in an attempt to kill Queen Elizabeth II (Jeannette Charles) before Frank Drebin ([[Leslie Nielsen]]) fires a tranquilizer round at him, which misses, and hits a fat woman on the upper level, who falls on him with serendipitously disastrous results. Drebin then picks up the M1911A1 and pursues Ludwig.
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt MK IV Series 70 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:NGM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Nordberg kicks down the door with his M1911A1 drawn.]]
[[Image:NGM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nordberg bursts in with his badge and M1911A1 drawn, and stupidly tries to get seven armed men to surrender their weapons (one of which is dumb enough to do so before the other men force him to pick it back up).]]
[[Image:NGM1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reggie Jackson under the control of Ludwig retrieves a Colt Series 70 from under the base plate to kill the Queen.]]
[[Image:NGM1911A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reggie Jackson points his Colt Series 70 at the Queen. Note that the hammer is not cocked, meaning the gun will not fire if he pulls the trigger.]]
[[Image:NGM1911A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the Colt as Reggie dodges Drebin's tranquilizer dart.]]
[[Image:NGM1911A1-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Drebin confronts Ludwig armed with the Colt.]]

==Taurus PT92==
One of the sailors on the boat "I Love You" uses a stainless [[Taurus PT92]]. A Taurus is also used by a criminal in the meat packing plant before falling into a vat of toxic chemicals (which doesn't seem to follow health code for the plant).
[[Image:TaurusPT92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT92 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:NGTaurusPT92-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sailor to the left chambers his Taurus PT92.]]
[[Image:NGTaurusPT92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sailor looks back at another when he drops his gun.]]
[[Image:NGTaurusPT92-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A criminal ([[Nicholas Worth]]) fires his Taurus PT92 at Drebin in the meat packing plant.]]

==Heckler & Koch P9S==
A [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] is used by one of the sailors on the boat "I Love You".
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch P9S - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:NGH&KP9S-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sailor with the eye patch and plaid chambers his Heckler & Koch P9S.]]
[[Image:NGH&KP9S-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sailor watches Det. Nordberg smash into various things after being shot.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
One of the sailors uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]], dropping it to the floor when ordered to by Det. Nordberg ([[O.J. Simpson]]), until the 6 other armed men make him pick it back up.
[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 - .38spl.]]
[[Image:NGS&W15-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sailor picks his Smith & Wesson Model 15 off the floor.]]

==Unknown Revolvers==
Many of the sailors use revolvers at angles to difficult for identification.
[[Image:NGrevolvers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The four sailors in the back with revolvers. The man with several chins has a Colt Detective Special based on an image seen above.]]

==Armalite AR-18==
Terrorists in Beirut are seen armed with [[Armalite AR-18]] assault rifles.
[[Image:AR-18.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armalite AR-18 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:NGAR-18-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Terrorists in Beirut armed with AR-18s.]]

==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] is seen on the back of a jeep in Beirut.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB - .50 BMG.]]
[[Image:NGM2HB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Browning M2HB mounted on a jeep.]]

==AKM==
An [[AKM]] is seen slung over the back of a terrorist in Beirut.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKM - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:NGAKM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist with an AKM slung over his back.]]

==FN FNC==
One of the terrorists in Beirut is seen armed with an [[FN FNC]].
[[Image:FNC REM Sporter.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN FNC Remington Sporter - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:NGFNFNC-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard to the left has an FN FNC.]]

==IMI Galil AR==
An [[Galil|IMI Galil AR]] is seen in the hands of a terrorist in Beirut.
[[Image:GalilAR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Galil AR - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:NGGalil-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard to the left has an IMI Galil AR.]]

==Flintlock Rifle==
A [[Kentucky Flintlock Rifle]] is presented to Queen Elizabeth II (Jeannette Charles) by Vincent Ludwig ([[Ricardo Montalban]]), but Frank Drebin ([[Leslie Nielsen]]) becomes fazed by the loud fanfare and tackles the Queen when he sees the gun pointed at her to get her out of what he believes to be the line of fire.
[[Image:Kentuckyrifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kentucky Flintlock Rifle - .36, .45, and .50 caliber.]]
[[Image:NGFlintlockRifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ludwig presents the Flintlock Rifle.]]
[[Image:NGFlintlockRifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Drebin sees Ludwig pointing the Flintlock and tackles the Queen out of its line of fire.]]

==M1 Garand==
US Army and Marine honor guard members are seen with [[M1 Garand]] rifles during the Angels baseball game.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand - .30-06.]]
[[Image:NGM1Garand-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Marine at the baseball game with an M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:NGM1Garand-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Army soldier glances at Drebin when he attempts to sing the Star Spangled Banner.]]

==Unknown Colt Revolver==
Police at the ball game have unknown Colts in their holsters, likely either Pythons or Troopers.
[[Image:NGColts.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers slowly inch their way over to Drebin as he sings the star spangled banner with their hands over their hearts, worried that it would be disrespectful to run on and arrest him in the middle of the song.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 27==
The criminal trying to escape Drebin ([[Leslie Nielsen]]) as he pursues in a driver's ed cab fires out the back window with what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 27]]. It is either that or a New Century Hand Ejector.
[[Image:S&WModel27.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 27 - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:NGS&W27-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The criminal fires his Smith & Wesson Model 27 out the back window of his car.]]

==Micro Uzi==
Vincent Ludwig ([[Ricardo Montalban]]) draws a [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]] during the ball game and uses it to hold up Jane Spencer ([[Priscilla Presley]]) before Drebin ([[Leslie Nielsen]]) hits him with a tranquilizer round. Unfortunately his mind control system is activated and Jane picks up the Micro Uzi in an attempt to kill Drebin before he proposes and she drops the gun.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Micro Uzi - 9mm.]]
[[Image:NGMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sailor on the boat "I Love You" with a Micro Uzi.]]
[[Image:NGMicroUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ludwig holds his Micro Uzi on Jane.]]
[[Image:NGMicroUzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ludwig holds his Micro Uzi on Jane.]]
[[Image:NGMicroUzi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ludwig tries to shoot Drebin before Jane bites his hand.]]
[[Image:NGMicroUzi-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ludwig's mind control device switches on and Jane ([[Priscilla Presley]]) picks up the Micro Uzi, bent on killing Drebin.]]
[[Image:NGMicroUzi-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of the Micro Uzi before Jane lets it fall from her hand.]]

=See Also=
''[[Police Squad!]]''

''[[The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!]]''

''[[The Naked Gun 2 1/2: The Smell of Fear]]''

''[[The Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult]]''

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Comedy]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Call of Duty: Black Ops

2013-04-11T00:49:15Z

Stickie: /* Heckler & Koch HK-21E */ Magazine fed HK21 is called HK11

{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Call of Duty: Black Ops
|picture = Cover_BLACKOPS_final.jpg
|caption = ''Official Box Art''
|series=[[Call of Duty]]
|date= 2010
|developer=Treyarch
|publisher= Activision
|platforms=Windows PlayStation 3 Xbox 360
|genre=[[First-Person Shooter]]
}}
{{spoiler}}
'''See the [[Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops|discussion page]] for miscellaneous weapon information.'''

''Call of Duty: Black Ops'' (also known as ''CoD:BO'' or ''BO'') is the seventh main installment of the ''[[Call of Duty|Call of Duty series]]'' and the sequel of ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]''. Developed by Treyarch and published by Activision, the game was released worldwide on November 9, 2010 for the PC, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii and Nintendo DS. The game sold over $1 billion dollars after six weeks of its release. The storyline takes place during the Cold War of the 1960s, where the player assumes control of two characters: Alex Mason (voiced by [[Sam Worthington]]), a Captain in the USMC who was recruited to the CIA and SOG and Jason Hudson (voiced by [[Ed Harris]]), a CIA special agent. Both are to find and eliminate a former World War II Soviet Army officer, Major General Nikita Dragovich (voiced by [[Eamon Hunt]]), alongside his assistant, Colonel Lev Kravchenko (voiced by [[Andrew Divoff]]). With the teams of Mason and Hudson, few more non-playable characters are included in the storyline: Frank Woods (voiced by [[James C. Burns]]), a former USMC Sergeant; Joseph Bowman (voiced by [[Ice Cube]]), a Chief Petty Officer of the U.S. Navy SEALs and Viktor Reznov (voiced by [[Gary Oldman]]), a former World War II Soviet Army Captain who was under the command of both Dragovich and Kravchenko, though he was betrayed by them.

'''The following weapons are seen in the video game ''Call of Duty: Black Ops'':'''
__TOC__ 

= Pistols =
== Colt M1911A1 ==
Two [[M1911A1]]s can be seen in the hands of Black Ops's signature soldier. The M1911A1s have tally marks engraved on them, and one of them has the name "Sally" engraved on it (based on the gun's upgrade in zombie mode, the other weapon is presumably "Mustang"). It can be dual wielded, and available attachments are a suppressor, extended magazines, and upgraded iron sights. It is also the players' starting weapon in zombie mode. There are two finishes on the M1911A1: in single player, it has a standard parkerized finish, while it has a bright nickel finish in multiplayer and zombie modes.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Standard Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP, as seen in singleplayer.]]

[[Image:NickelPlatedM1911A1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Nickel Plated Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP, as seen in multiplayer and zombie mode.]]

[[Image:Shot0158.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Original M1911A1 as used in singleplayer mode. Note that it appears to have the serrated hammer of a [[Colt MK IV Series 80]].]]

[[Image:jfkm1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mason visualizes himself drawing an M1911A1 on President Kennedy. Perhaps one of the side effects of the brainwashing causes his brain to mirror objects: this 1911 is seen with its controls, markings, and ejection port on the wrong side.]]

[[Image:Shot0201.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Same Original M1911A1 only with a silencer as used in singleplayer mode.]]

[[Image:Shot0000019.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nickel finish M1911A1 as used in multiplayer mode.]]

[[Image:Shot004501.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nickel finish M1911A1 as used in zombie mode.]]

== Colt Python ==
The [[Colt Python]] appears in-game as the "Python." It has a snub-nose variant for use in multiplayer, which can be purchased, and decreases the amount of visual kick in exchange for less damage. Other available attachments are speed-loaders for your reserve ammo and a Colt Sporter Scope. Like [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2#Colt Anaconda|the .44 Magnum from the previous game]], when reloading, the player character holds it muzzle up and dumps rounds instead of using the ejector rod. It seems that the Python is Mason's preferred sidearm, as he starts with it in "Executive Order", and pulls one out of nowhere to save a downed Woods in "SOG" and clear Vietcong tunnels in "Victor Charlie".

[[Image:ColtPython6In.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Python - .357 Magnum.]]

[[Image:Coltpython25.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Python Snub Nose - .357 Magnum w/ 2.5" barrel.]]

[[Image:CODBO-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Snub-nose variant in reloading.]]

[[Image:Shot0232.jpg|600px|thumb|none|A VC Bookie hands a snub-nosed Colt Python to the player.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_21-12-46-95.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Python in idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_21-12-49-34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Python in ADS.]]

== Makarov PM ==
The [[Makarov PM]] appears in in the game. Although it has a heel-mounted magazine release, it still uses the same reload animation as the M1911 and the CZ-75, which have their magazine releases behind the trigger. In multiplayer, it is rated as more powerful than the M1911 .45 pistol, odd considering the 9x18mm round used in the Makarov. Another inaccuracy is that it's modeled with an adjustable rear sight, which is only available on the civilian version.

[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM - 9x18mm Makarov.]]

[[Image:Shot0030.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mason taking cover behind a coal car with Makarov PM in hand as Reznov and Sergei push forward.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_20-41-58-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Makarov PM in ADS. (sights are incorrect for the military version)]]

[[Image:Shot0066.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Makarov PM in reloading. Note that the bullets in the magazine are obviously just a texture put on the side of the gun.]]

== CZ 75 ==
The [[CZ 75|"Pre-B" CZ 75]] pistol is featured in the game, along with its machine pistol variant, the CZ 75 Automatic. In-game, its standard magazine capacity is incorrectly twelve rounds or eighteen with the extended magazine upgrade. The real capacity is sixteen rounds standard in 9mm (the in-game CZ 75 is definitely not the .40 S&W version). Other attachments include the aforementioned automatic conversion kit, high-contrast iron-sights, a suppressor, and dual-wield capability. The CZ 75 is highly anachronistic to Black Ops: not only did production first start in 1975, but the automatic variant wasn't introduced until 1992. All dual-wielded CZ 75's in single player have twenty rounds per magazine.

[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Cz75fa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CZ 75 Automatic with spare magazine - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-41-22-44.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dual CZ-75s.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-44-51-73.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CZ-75 Automatic.]]

[[Image:BLACKOPS-CZ75AUTOMATIC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A CZ-75 Automatic in the player's hand.]]

== ASP 9==
In-game Mason uses an [[ASP 9]] in the Cuban levels, as do Cuban police officers. Its appearance in Black Ops is anachronistic, as it was not developed until the 1970s and was intended for special forces usage. A more historically-accurate choice would have been the [[Smith & Wesson Model 39]], on which the ASP 9 was based, as the Model 39 was developed in the 1950s.

[[Image:ASP 9.jpg|thumb|none|350px|ASP 9 (Highly customized pistol using a stock Smith & Wesson Model 39 as the starting point) - 9x19mm. This is the screen used firearm from the film ''[[Cobra]]'' ]]

[[Image:Shot05028.jpg|thumb|none|600px|ASP 9 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0029.jpg|thumb|none|600px|ASP 9 in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0031.jpg|thumb|none|600px|ASP 9 in reloading.]]

==Tokarev TT-33==
Capt. Viktor Reznov uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] and flashlight to clear the ship in the World War II mission "Project Nova." Kravchenko uses a TT-33 to execute German POWs. British commandos draw one if knocked into Last Stand (which is technically inaccurate; a more accurate choice would have been the [[Browning Hi-Power]]).

[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version. Tula Arsenal (Soviet Union) Note CCCP printing around the star on the plastic grips.]]

[[Image:Shot0126.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tokarev TT-33 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tokarev TT-33 in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0129.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tokarev TT-33 in reloading with flashlight in left hand.]]

[[Image:Kravchenko-BO.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kravchenko fires the TT-33's last shot before discarding the pistol and killing the last prisoner with a knife.]]

==Walther P38==
At the end of the first part of the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova," Dr. Friedrich Steiner waits for the Soviet troops with a [[Walther P38]] drawn, but does not attempt to use it. This is the only place where the [[Walther P38]] is seen.

[[Image:P38Black.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 WWII dated with black grips - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0120.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Walther P38 is in the right hand of Steiner.]]

= Submachine Guns =
== MAC-11 ==
A [[MAC-11]] with suppressor can be seen in one of the artworks, in the hands of a special forces operative crashing through a glass window. It can be found in the campaign level "Redemption" and is the player's secondary weapon in that level as well. Its appearance is also anachronistic as it was not developed until 1972. It would have been more accurate to see the MAC-10, designed in 1964 and actually used by S.O.G.

[[Image:Mac m11 9k.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MAC-11 - .380 ACP]]

[[Image:MAC10NICE.JPG|thumb|none|550px|MAC-11 with silencer on cool breaching artwork.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_23-27-05-25.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_23-27-05-94.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iron-sights.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5K Prototype ==
An [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K Prototype|MP5K Prototype]] is featured in the game. Its appearance is massively anachronistic: the MP5 itself was developed in 1966, but the MP5K appears in the game in a level set in 1963, while the first MP5K prototype with wooden foregrip was developed in 1976. It would have been more accurate to see the HK54 prototype of the MP5.

[[Image:MP5Kprototype.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5K - 9x19mm. Note wooden foregrip.]]

[[Image:CODBO-MP5K-FPV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MP5K Multiple Attachment in "Executive Order".]]

[[Image:Bomp5s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MP5K Multiple Attachment sight]]

[[Image:CODBO-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Same MP5K prototype as shown above, but with part of the foregrip missing for unknown reasons, giving it an appearance similar to the H&K [[UMP]].]]

[[Image:CODBO-MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== CZ Sa. Vz.61 "Škorpion" ==
The [[SA Vz.61 Skorpion|Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion"]] is available in the game. It is depicted without its folding stock, but the unlockable Grip attachment adds and folds out the stock. It retains its 2-hit kill ability at close range from its [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare|Modern Warfare]] counterpart.

[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]

[[Image:CODBO-Savz61.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Akimbo Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion" in a 'Wager Match' video.]]

[[Image:Shot40017.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion" in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot004518.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion" in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot00220.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion" in reloading.]]

== SITES Spectre M4 ==
A [[Spectre M4]] is one of the available SMGs. Its appearance is anachronistic, not developed until the 1980's.

[[Image:Sites_Spectre.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Spectre M4 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_01.37_-2010.09.02_23.17.36-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spectre M4 in MP footage]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_01.42_-2010.09.02_23.17.48-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reflex sight view. Note the custom light-blue reticle.]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_01.49_-2010.09.02_23.18.02-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the Spectre M4. Note the customized logo.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-46-42-71.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spectre M4 idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_18-07-08-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iron-sights.]]

== PM-63 RAK ==
A [[PM-63 RAK]] is another available SMG. It anachronistically appears in a level set in 1963, though the weapon wasn't introduced until 1965.

[[Image:PM63.JPG|none|thumb|400px|PM-63 RAK - 9x18mm]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-12_23-51-37-42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|PM-63 RAK]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-12_23-51-38-96.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Iron-sights]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-47-37-02.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Dual PM-63s]]

== IMI Uzi ==
The [[IMI Uzi]] is one of the available SMGs in-game. The Uzi was actually used by S.O.G. recon teams during the Vietnam War.

[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0266.jpg|thumb|none|600px|IMI Uzi in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0267.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|IMI Uzi in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0269.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|IMI Uzi in reloading.]]

== Walther MPL ==
The [[Walther MP series#Walther MPL|Walther MPL]] is one of the available SMGs. It is also a very common weapon in zombie mode, where it carries twenty-four rounds, not thirty-two.

[[Image:Walther_mpl_1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Walther MPL with stock extended - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:CoDBlackOps-MPL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walther MPL being reloaded]]

[[Image:BO Walther MPL Sights.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Iron Sights]]

[[Image:BLACKOPS-MPL-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MPL with red dot sight and red camo.]]

== KBP Instrument Design Bureau OTs-02 "Kiparis" ==

The KBP Instrument Design Bureau [[OTs-02 Kiparis]] with the wire stocks removed is one of the available submachine guns. It is extremely accurate, but holds only twenty rounds by default, increased to thirty with Extended Mags. It appears in the hands of Spetznaz operatives in the campaign and can be dual-wielded by the player. The Kiparis was designed in 1976, making it another anachronistic weapon.

[[Image:Kiparis1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|KBP Instrument Design Bureau [[OTs-02 Kiparis]] with suppressor and LAM - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-57-02-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dual [[OTs-02 Kiparis|Kiparii]] in the hands of the player.]]
[[Image:Kapris.png|thumb|none|600px|Confirmed in the Create-a-Class section.]]
[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-44-03-61.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[OTs-02 Kiparis|Kiparis]] with reflex sight during the mission "Numbers".]]
[[Image:BLACKOPS-OTS02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player inserts a 30-round magazine into his golden [[OTs-02 Kiparis]].]]

==PPSh-41==
The Russian soldiers, including Capt. Viktor Reznov and Pvt. Dimitri Petrenko, use the [[PPSh-41]] in the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova." Unlike the previous COD games, the PPSh-41 in Black Ops uses 35-round box-magazines.

[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev.]]

[[Image:Shot0074.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PPSh-41 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0075.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PPSh-41 in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot040076.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PPSh-41 in reloading.]]

[[Image:Shot004539.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PPSh-41 on Pvt. Gerasimov's back and also in the player's hands.]]

==MP40==
The [[MP40]] is available to purchase for 1,000 points in the zombie maps Kino der Toten, Shi Nu Numa, Der riese, Verruct, and Call of the Dead. It is also used by the Germans in the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova." The MP40 in zombie mode has a blued finish

[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Shot0108.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MP40 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0109.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MP40 in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0110.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MP40 in reloading.]]

==Sten==
The [[Sten]] Mk II is carried by British SAS commandos in the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova" and usable by the player.

[[Image:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II Submachine gun - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Sten-BO.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SAS commandos with Sten Mk. II's.]]

[[Image:Shot0143.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sten Mk II in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0148.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sten Mk II through iron sights.]]

[[Image:Shot0157.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sten Mk II while reloading.]]

==M1A1 Thompson==
The [[Thompson]] is available in zombie mode for 1200 points in the zombie maps Natch der untoten, Verruct, Shi Nu Numa, and Der Riese. The magazine size in zombie mode is a 20 round magazine.

[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1A1 Thompson with e0-round magazine - .45 ACP]]

== Type 100 ==

The [[Type 100 submachine gun|Type 100]] appears in Shi Nu Numa and Der Riese for 1000 points

[[File:Type100 1944.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Arisaka Type 100 submachine gun (1944 - 1945 model) - 8mm]]

= Assault Rifles =
== FAMAS F1 FELIN==
An early version of the [[FAMAS FELIN]] appears in several levels. The FELIN is incredibly anachronistic for the time period the game is set in (the 1960s): not only was the base weapon not developed until 1978, this specific variant didn't come into existence until the late 1990s.

If upgraded with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombies mode, it will turn into the "G16-GL35"(leet speak for GIGGLES), which fires laser-like rounds, has a forty-five round magazine instead of thirty, and a custom red dot sight.

[[Image:FamasFelin.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FAMAS F1 FELIN with SCROME J4 scope - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:CODBO-FAMAS-FPV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS F1 w/ multiple attachments in level "Redemption".]]

[[Image:Shot0081.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS F1 fitted with red dot sight and "Flora" camouflage.]]

[[Image:Shot00710.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Upgraded FAMAS in zombies mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

== Composite AK-47 ==
The [[AK-47]] that appears in the game is a composite of several different AK-47 variants, e.g. straighter magazine similar to those on AKs chambered for 5.45x39mm or 5.56x45mm. Its overall appearance seems close to a WASR-2. In multiplayer, the Extended Mag attachment gives the AK-47 an RPK's magazine (the RPK in-game is the RPK-74, chambered in 5.45x39mm, hinting that the AK in-game is also chambered in 5.45x39mm). Also, the Suppressor attachment looks nearly identical to an AK-74's muzzle brake. In the singleplayer campaign, the Soviets and North Vietnamese Army use this rifle with a variety of accessories.

[[Image:Ak74p.jpg|thumb|none|425px|Prototype AK-74 - 5.45x39mm]]

[[Image:WASR2.jpg|thumb|none|425px|A US imported Romanian WASR-2, 5.45x39mm]]

[[Image:Shot0039.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reload - note the weapon lacking vent holes on the handguard and an empty magazine being inserted.]]

[[Image:Shot0050.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AK "held" by Reznov]]

[[Image:Boaks.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AK-47 Sight.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_21-24-02-22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On-screen blip for picking up a dropped "AK-47".]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-09-41-46.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AK with RPK-74 magazine.]]

== AKS-74U==
The [[AKS-74U]] appears with the same "AK-74U" name used for the JG Beta-F Airsoft gun in ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]'' and the same erroneous designation as a submachine gun; this one, however, is an actual AKS-74U. It has a black foregrip, steel magazines, and no stock. Anachronistic to Black Ops, it was not developed until 1979 (the full size variant, the AK-74, didn't enter service until 1974).

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm.]]

[[Image:Shot002780.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AKS-74U in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0021.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AKS-74U through sights.]]

[[Image:Shot00243.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AKS-74U while reloading. Note the empty magazine.]]

== IMI Galil ARM ==
The [[IMI Galil ARM]] is available in the game. It has a thirty-five round magazine with a medium rate of fire. The standard rear sight for the Galil is the flip-up tritium night sights instead of the flip peep-sights, raised dramatically to accommodate the camera's point of view. The carry handle is on the wrong side and the handguard is from the Galil AR, which does not have the underside cutout for the bipod, although it appears to still contain it. Appearance is anachronistic, as the Galil series of rifles was not developed until the late 1960s, and did not enter service until 1973.

Upgrading a Galil with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode will turn it into the "Lamentation"; fitted with a red dot sight (which has a blue lens and an unusual blue reticle) and a sci-fi camo pattern, it fires laser-like rounds.

[[Image:Galil.jpg|thumb|500px|none|IMI Galil ARM - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_15-52-20-58.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Galil in idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_15-52-21-78.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Galil looking through iron sights.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_15-56-07-41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Jungle camouflage variant.]]

[[Image:COD BO Galil Sights.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the Galil looking through iron sights, but note that the sights are in fact the flip-up night sights.]]

[[Image:Shot0022222.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Upgraded Galil in zombie mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

[[Image:Shot002783.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Upgraded Galil looking through red dot sight. Note the unusual reticle.]]

== Steyr AUG ==

The [[Steyr AUG]] is available in the game, used only in levels that take place in the Ural Mountains. It has a Swarovski scope, arctic camo paint, and a suppressor in some of the scenes. Its appearance in the game is anachronistic, as the level takes place in 1968 but the prototype for the AUG was not patented until 1974 and was not introduced into Austrian military service until 1977, entering wide service in 1978. The [[AUG#Steyr AUG A2 / AUG SR - Special Receiver|AUG A2]] is used in multiplayer (since it incorporates a rail top with sights instead of the default optical scope), the A2 variant depicted in multiplayer was not developed until 1997.

If upgraded with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode, it will turn into the "AUG-50M3" (leet speak for AUGSOME, a play on the word awesome), firing laser-like rounds and attached with [[Knight's Armament Masterkey]], but both weapons keep their normal ammunition counts. Reloading the AUG-50M3's Masterkey counts each reloaded shell twice, allowing the player to reload all six rounds with just three shells.

The AUG lacked its foregrip in the beta, but has it in the final game.

[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steyr AUG - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:AUG A2 16.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG A2 (Military Version) (Only seen in multiplayer but without black finish) - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:CODBO-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the AUG]]

[[Image:Skydivingcodbo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Our skydiving protagonist takes "two is one and one is none" to a new level when he carries an AUG to complement his primary weapon: another AUG. You know, in case one explodes or something.]]

[[Image:59.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beta Steyr AUG without foregrip in hands of Agent Weaver. Note how he's holding it by the barrel; a bad idea in real life...]]

[[Image:COD BO AUG 3rd person.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent Weaver with a Steyr AUG in the final version of the game. Note the foregrip.]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_00.07_-2010.09.02_23.16.22-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AUG with reflex sight. Note the custom logo on the side.]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_00.22_-2010.09.02_23.16.45-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reflex sight view. Note custom reticle.]]

[[Image:Shot0078611.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Upgraded Steyr AUG in zombie mode.]]

[[Image:Shot0004.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like above, only with the Masterkey in use. Note the sci-fi camo pattern and heat shield.]]

== Colt Commando ==

Throughout the game, it appears to have a short barrel like the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|Colt Model 733]] and a flat top. The flat top hints at a [[M16 rifle series#Colt Model 933|Colt Model 933]]. While the weapon is not completely anachronistic, since the Rock Island Arsenal did experiment with a weaver-rail mounted [[AR-15]] known as the Model 656, the presence of back-up iron sights on the weapon can be considered anachronistic. It would be more accurate if this Commando was modeled after the [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177 carbine]], which was developed during the Vietnam War.
Early screenshots and footage showed a modeling mistake on the rifle, with the magazine looking as if it were stretched or partly falling out, but the final game has it at its proper length. In-game, the weapon holds thirty rounds in the standard twenty-round magazine, while equipping the Extended Mags attachment gives it forty-five rounds in the real thirty-round curved magazine. This goes for the M16 too as it acts more or less just like it.

Unlike some rifles in the game, the sling is wrapped around the weapon, instead of being clipped onto the sling mounts and allowed to hang loosely. If you look closely, the sling blocks the bolt release button, so the shooter would have to use the charging handle every time he loads a fresh magazine. Even so, the reload animation of a fresh magazine still uses the bolt release button.

Upgrading the Commando with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode turns it into the "Predator" (a reference to the [[Arnold Schwarzenegger|Schwarzenegger]] movie ''[[Predator]]''. ''[[Commando]]'' is also the name of another movie in which Schwarzenegger starred, hence the reference.) "Predator" fires laser-like rounds and has a forty-round magazine instead of thirty.

Also note that a Commando (and the M16 for that matter) mounted with optics has the front sight and the gas block removed. This would prevent the gun from firing automatically. The shooter would have to manually rack the bolt to load the next round into the chamber, effectively making the gun a bolt action. Once again this design goof is seen in the Campaign and Multiplayer. This same goof was previously seen in ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]'' and ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]''. Interestingly, all NPCs in the campaign who use either the M16 or Commando with optical attachments still retain the front sight posts and gas blocks.

[[Image:Colt_Model_733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Commando - 5.56x45mm. This is supposed to be the Colt Commando in-game only with flat top.]]

[[Image:Colt m4 commando 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 933. This rifle has a removable carrying handle, with an RIS underneath. This is possibly what the Commando was based upon.]]

[[Image:Shot0177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Commando with [[M203 grenade launcher]] in idle. Note the sling blocks the bolt release button.]]

[[Image:Snapshot20100809133031.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Suppressed Colt Commando with reflex sight. Note clan tag engraved on the charging handle. Also note that, unlike in the released game, the front sight is still present]]

[[Image:Snapshot20100809133054.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Commando in reflex sight view. Note smiley face reticle.]]

[[Image:Snapshot20100809133126.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Commando with Jungle Camo in First Person.]]

[[Image:Snapshot20100809135256.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iron-sight view for Snow Camo variant.]]

[[Image:CODBOAR-15a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank Woods with his Colt Commando and early Colt Scope. Note the modeling mistake of the magazine.]]

[[Image:CODBOAR15.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Nice detail on camouflaged variation. Note Colt scope.]]

[[Image:Shot007817.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Upgraded Commando in zombie mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

== Colt USAF M16 (Colt Model 604)==
The USAF variant of the original [[M16]] is available in the game, and can be identified by its M16E1 partial magazine fence lower and lack of forward assist. Like with the aforementioned Colt Commando, the thirty-round mag only appears with the Extended Mags attachment and holds forty-five rounds. It is correctly depicted as firing fully-automatic in single player, but incorrectly uses a three-round burst fire mode in multiplayer and Zombie mode. Treyarch developer Josh Olin has stated that it was "an early prototype", although the first variant that was capable of burst fire was the Model 606B (essentially a heavy barrelled M16 with a four position selector switch tested in 1965) was fitted with a forward assist, unlike the weapon in game which also appears to have a standard weight barrel.

If upgrading the M16 with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode, it turns into the "Skullcrusher," which fires laser-like rounds and mounts an [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Both the M16 and the M203 keep their normal ammunition count.

[[File:USAF Colt Model 604.jpg|thumb|none|500px|USAF M16 (Colt Model 604) - 5.56x45mm. This is an early model as indicated by its M16E1 type partial magazine fence lower.]]

[[Image:Shot0131.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|M16 in idle. Note the counter shows 30 rounds when the rifle has a 20-round mag.]]

[[Image:M16_CoDBO_SlabSide.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carlos throws Mason an M16. Visible in this shot is the partial fence lower and lack of forward assist which identifies this as a Colt Model 604 (A cropped and brightened version of this image can be seen [[Talk:Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops#M16_is_the_USAF_M16|here]]). Another thing to point out is the unusual length of the M203's barrel. A standard barrel length of an M203 is 12in(305mm) and usually the tip of the M203 runs parallel to the Bayonet lug of the M16. This might be due to the M16 being modeled smaller in 3rd person.]]

[[Image:Shot0132.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|M16 through iron-sights.]]

[[Image:Shot0133.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|M16 while reloading. Note [[Knight's Armament Masterkey]].]]

[[Image:Shot0119.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank Woods with his M16. Note that the 3rd person model for M16 is smaller than its real life counterpart.]]

[[Image:Shot0013.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Upgraded M16 in zombie mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle]] is one of the assault rifles (correctly, battle rifle) used in-game and also distinguished by its firepower. For some reason, it uses an eight-round magazine in zombie mode despite using a twenty-round one in single-player and multiplayer modes. If comparing the M14 to the [[M1 Garand]] from ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]'', it's actually the same weapon, only with a different model, more ammunition held at once, and a reloading animation taken from ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]'''s [[Modern Warfare 2#Mk. 14 Mod 1 EBR|Mk 14 EBR]]. Various attachments can be fitted: [[M203 grenade launcher]], flamethrower, Colt scope, red dot sight, reflex sight, [[Knight's Armament Masterkey]] shotgun, suppressor, foregrip, IR scope and extended magazine.

The in-game model has a pistol grip and bipod like the M14E2 LMG, but is semi-automatic only. Attaching a foregrip in multiplayer increases its resemblance to the M14E2.

[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:M14E2SAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14E2 Light Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:CODBO4.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|M14 fitted with Colt scope as seen in single-player.]]

[[Image:Shot0083.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M14 with Colt scope and Ice camo in idle.]]

[[Image:CODBO-M14-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M14 looking through iron-sights. The HUD indicates this one has the Extended Mags attachment, though note that this is one of only two guns in the game where the magazine is not modeled differently with that attachment.]]

[[Image:CODBOM14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M14 in Yukon (snow) camo, custom logo on the side, and Colt scope. Note F-4 jet fighter dropping napalm bombs.]]

== Heckler & Koch G11K2 ==
The [[Heckler & Koch G11]]K2 is one of the prototype weapons in the game, and is used by Dr. Daniel Clarke in the level "Numbers." As in real life, it fires in bursts, at a very high rate of fire with incredible accuracy and close to zero recoil, but suffers from low damage due to its 4.73mm caseless rounds. Its appearance in the 1960s is anachronistic; the G11 was not fully developed until the late 1980s, and working prototypes were not created until the early 1970s. However the G11 variant in game is based on the pre-production version, the G11K2 which was developed in 1989 and incorporates attachment points for spare magazines on either side of the magazine being fed. The weapon is also erroneously depicted with iron sights; G11s were never designed with iron sights, and instead incorporated a scope (which is an available attachment in gameplay).

If upgrading the [[G11]] with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombies mode, it will turn into more powerful version called "G115 Generator"; firing laser-like rounds, but keeps the normal ammunition count. In multiplayer, it can be fitted with only two attachments: a Low-Power or Variable Zoom scope.

[[Image:HK_G11_caseless_Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G11 - 4.73x33mm.]]

[[Image:CODBO-G11-FPV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|G11 as seen in "Numbers"]]

[[Image:CODBO-G11-SCP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iron sights of the G11 in the level "Numbers"]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_02.34_-2010.09.02_23.18.39-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|G11 in multiplayer mode.]]

[[Image:Shot0088814.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Upgraded G11 in zombies mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

[[Image:BLACKOPS-G11-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player rotates the cocking handle of his G11.]]

[[Image:BLACKOPS-G11-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Using the Low-Power Scope of the G11.]]

== FN FAL ==

The [[FN FAL]] is seen mostly in the hands of Cuban soldiers and some NVA soldiers in-game. The rifle is aesthetically accurate in the game, however the wooden furniture and semi-automatic fire mode would suggest that this weapon is more specifically the "G Series" FAL, the civilian version of the FAL which was imported into the US in the 1960s.

[[Image:FN_FAL_50_00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[File:Fn fal g series.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL "G Series" - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:Shot0022.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN FAL in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0023.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN FAL through sights.]]

[[Image:Shot0026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN FAL while reloading.]]

== Enfield XL64==
The [[Enfield L85 rifle series#XL64E5|Enfield XL64]] is one the assault rifles available in the game. Hudson carries an Enfield fitted with an infrared scope and a Masterkey under-barrel shotgun as during the singleplayer mission "Rebirth." The Enfield is anachronistic as it was not developed until the mid-1970s. Members of the British Army, including the Scots Guards, tested the XL64 during the early 1980's to replace the L1A1 SLR. The XL64 eventually gave birth to the SA80/L85 series of rifles in service with the British Army.

[[Image:EnfieldXL64.jpg|thumb|none|500px|XL64E5 - 4.85x49mm]]

[[Image:Boenfield1.jpg|thumb|none|200px|XL64 in Create-A-Class.]]

[[Image:EnfieldXL64ingame.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XL64 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot009120.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XL64 attached with IR scope on the ground.]]

== Sturmgewehr 44 ==
The [[Sturmgewehr 44]] is used by the Germans in the World War II mission "Project Nova" and can be used by the player. Also is able to purchase for 1200 points in the zombie maps Verruct, Shi No Numa, and Der Riese.

[[Image:Sturmgewehr_44.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]

[[Image:Shot1111.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sturmgewehr 44 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot4582.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sturmgewehr 44 in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0086.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sturmgewehr 44 in reloading.]]

== FG 42 ==
The [[FG 42]] can be purchased in the zombie map Der Riese for 1800 points and holds 35 rounds.

[[Image:FG421stPattern.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FG42 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]

== M1 Garand ==

The [[M1 Garand]] is used in zombie mode for 600 points and is found in the zombie maps Verruct and Shi Nu Numa. It looks similar to the [[M14]].

[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg‎ |thumb|none|550px|M1 Garand - .30-06]]

== Gewehr 43 ==

The [[Gewehr 43]] is 600 points in the zombie maps Verruct, Shi Nu Numa, and Der Riese. Holds 10 shots in the magazine.

[[Image:K43 nc.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Gewehr 43 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]

== Kar98k ==

The [[Kar98k]] is 200 points in the zombie maps Natch Der Untoten, Verruct, and Der Riese. It also replaces the [[M1903 Springfield]] in Verrukt, probably due to file space and the Springfield's poor preformance. It's effect on zombies stops at round 4.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm]]

== Type 99 Arisaka ==

The [[Arisaka Type 99]] is able to be purchased in the zombie map Shi Nu Numa for 200 points.

[[Image:Arisaka-Type-99.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Arisaka Type 99 Rifle - 7.7mm Arisaka]]

= Shotguns =

== Franchi SPAS-12 ==

The [[Franchi SPAS-12]] is present in the game. It should be noted that the SPAS-12 is unrealistically depicted as being used by Vietnamese and American soldiers in 1968, even though it did not actually enter production until 1979. In contrast to MW2's SPAS, the one featured in Black Ops is semi-auto and has its stock folded. Despite this, when it is picked up and when reloading the player pumps the weapon, even though the charging handle on the right side of it must be pulled back to chamber a new shell in semi-auto mode, as the pump is locked forward. It should also be noted that the Dragon's Breath rounds used in one campaign mission are underpowered and not rated for use in semis due to insufficient energy to cycle the action. If upgrading the SPAS-12 with the Pack-A-Punch machine in Zombies mode, it will turn into a more powerful version called "SPAZ-24"; firing laser-like rounds, but has 24 shells instead of 8 and also it reloads the entire magazine only after one shell, which only takes a second. Another note of interest is that the middle of the butt-pad on the folding stock is incorrectly depicted as being hollowed out, leaving only two rectangular sheets on the ends the stock, you can see a similar thing in the game F.E.A.R. This is done so the shotgun can be aimed down the iron sights, as they are normally unusable whilst the stock is folded.

[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Franchi SPAS-12 - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:CODBO-SPAS12-FPV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SPAS-12 in the level "Numbers"]]

[[Image:Shot0084.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SPAS-12 with silencer attached in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot002307.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Upgraded SPAS-12 in zombie mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

== Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" ==

An [[Ithaca 37|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]] with a heat shield and unusable shell holder wrapped around the receiver, is available in the game. Originally thought to be the full-stocked Trench Gun variant due to insufficient detail, until shots of the world model revealed that it really is the Stakeout. Its appearance is anachronistic as the Stakeout was not produced until 1981. A more accurate weapon would be the Ithaca 37 "Trench Gun" variant,as it was around during the time period,and was actually used by special forces during the Vietnam War.

[[Image:Stakeout-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:Shot0123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0124.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0125.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" in reloading. Note the vertical foregrip.]]

== KS-23 ==

A [[KS-23]] shotgun/carbine is seen only in the game's single-player mode. It holds more rounds (seven) than it actually does in reality (three in the tube mag, one in the chamber); for some reason, it also seems to eject two shells at once every time the player pumps it after firing. Appearance is anachronistic, as the weapon wasn't designed until the 1970s.

[[Image:Ks23-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|KS-23 with a fixed wooden stock - 23mm]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_14-50-29-48.jpg|thumb|none|600px|KS-23 idle]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_14-50-54-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|KS-23 iron-sights]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_15-04-29-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Icon for picking up KS-23]]

=== "Harpoon" ===

[[Image:Cowaduty.jpg|thumb|none|600px|KS-23 with a synthetic stock and a harpoon.]]

A KS-23 with a harpoon and cable is used by Mason to shoot down a Soviet helicopter during "Vorkuta".
[[Image:Shot0041.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Beretta Model 682 ==

While named after the Rottweil Olympia Over/Under 72 shotgun, the "Olympia" is in fact modeled on a [[Beretta 682]]. The "Olympia" is first seen during some cutscene footage and featured also in Singleplayer and Zombie mode. Anachronistic as it was not invented until 1985.

[[File:BM682.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Beretta Model 682 Gold E - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-12_23-49-35-97.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Olympia" in idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-12_23-49-37-55.jpg|600px|thumb|none|"Olympia" in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0252.jpg|600px|thumb|none|"Olympia" in reloading.]]

== High Standard Model 10 ==
The [[High Standard Model 10]] is the last shotgun unlocked, holds 4 shells and can be dual wielded; in zombie mode it holds 6 shells. Despite that in real life the HS-10 features a warning label that reads, "Caution: Do not fire from left shoulder" due to the ejection port's location, when it is dual-wielded, could easily result in hot brass (or, rather, plastic) flying in your face.

[[Image:High standard 10 SHG.jpg|thumb|500px|none|[[High Standard Model 10]]B - 12 gauge.]]

[[Image:CODBO-HS10-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Model 10 in reloading.]]

[[Image:Shot0089.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Akimbo Model 10 with red camouflage.]]

[[Image:Shot0002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An upgraded Model 10 in zombie mode, called ''Typhoid & Mary''. Note the sci-fi camouflage.]]

== Winchester Model 1887 ==

A [[Winchester Model 1887]] is seen being wielded one handed while riding a motorcycle near the end of the level "Vorkuta". It is erroneously depicted as being able to fire two shots before needing to be spin-cocked, why this was done is unknown, but it means this 1887 is the opposite of the one in ''MW2'': that one's barrel was incorrectly used as a magazine tube, while this one's magazine tube is incorrectly used as a barrel. The model appears to the same one from [[Modern Warfare 2#Winchester Model 1887|Modern Warfare 2]].

[[Image:Win1887shotgunT2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sawed-off Winchester 1887 with large-lever loop - 10 Gauge.]]

[[Image:Shot0065.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Picture provided to show how alike this lever action weapon looks to the Winchester Model 1887 texture from Modern Warfare 2. It is almost an exact copy. Mason, meanwhile, is apparently attempting to get the most spectacular lever bite in history.]]

[[Image:Shot0060.jpg|600px|thumb|none|This scene looks a lot like [[Terminator 2]]....]]

== Double Barreled Shotgun ==

In the opening cutscene for the newly-released zombie mode level "Call of the Dead", [[Michael Rooker]] is seen using a pair of sawn-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotguns]] akimbo while acting for a zombie film. These are not usable in the Call of the dead zombie map, however, and they appear to be reused models from [[Call of Duty: World at War]]. In one instance, probably as homage to typical hollywood inaccuracies, he fires five shots without reloading. Also purchasable in zombie maps Natch der Untoten, Verruct, And Der Riese for 1500 points. The sawed off version does not come out in Der Riese only the one with long barrel comes out in Der Riese. It should be noted the long-barrel shotgun form Der Riese has the character's hand floating under the grip, probably due to file space reasons.

[[Image:BaikalSBSShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Modern Baikal Commercial hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sawn-off double barreled shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:DBShotgun-BO.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Michael Rooker aiming one of his sawed-off double barreled shotguns at a zombie.]]

== Winchester Model 1897 ==

The [[Winchester Model 1897]] is available in zombie mode in the zombie maps Natch der untoten, Verruct, Shi Nu Numa, and Der Diese for 1500 points. It's the best with the Perk a Cola "Speed Cola".

[[Image:1897.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1897 Trench Gun - 12 gauge]]

= Machine Guns =

== RPK-74 ==
The [[RPK-74]] appears early in the single player campaign, in the hands of Cuban soldiers in "Operation 40" (set in 1961). The RPK-74's handguards are ribbed like the later RPK-74M, even though the weapon is ostensibly the earlier model with wooden handguards. The weapon features a tech-SIGHT rear sight aperture, which is removed and replaced with the standard AK top cover when an optic is attached. Compared to the two other AK-type rifles, the RPK-74 has an artificially long reload animation. It is called "RPK" in-game, but is actually modelled after a RPK-74, which is anachronistic, as the RPK-74 wasn't introduced until 1974 (alongside the AK-74). The tech-SIGHT rear sight aperture is also anachronistic. A more appropriate choice for the time period would be the Kalashnikov RPK, which was introduced in the 1950s.

[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|501px|RPK-74 - 5.45x39mm]]

[[Image:Borpk.jpg|thumb|none|501px|RPK-74 in game.]]

[[Image:RPKblackopsy.JPG|thumb|none|600px|RPK in the Black Ops teaser.]]

[[Image:BORPK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK with "ACOG Sight" in idle.]]

[[Image:BORPK2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Idle. Note relocated rear sights, with "Dual Mags".]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_14-56-36-23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iron-sights.]]

== Heckler & Koch HK11E ==
The [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns#Heckler_.26_Koch_HK21|HK11E]] is in the game, but is incorrectly referred to as an HK-21E. The real world HK21 is belt fed, while the gun featured in the game uses G3 Magazines (as does the real world HK11E ) holding 30 rounds. The extended drum magazine holds 60 rounds in multiplayer, and 80 in single player. Other attachments include various optics. If upgrading the HK11E with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode, it will turn into more powerful version called "H115 Oscillator"; firing laser-like rounds, and has 150 round magazine. While the HK21 itself would not be anachronistic to Black Ops (being developed in 1961), the HK11E variant was not developed until the 1980s.

[[Image:HK21E.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch HK21E - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:CODBO-HK21.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HK11E in idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_18-11-39-63.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hudson examining a drum-magged HK11E in Clarke's weapon's cache.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_18-11-48-41.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HK11E idle. Not seen in this shot of the weapons cache is the M202 FLASH quad-barrel rocket launcher.]]

[[Image:Shot000789874.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Upgraded HK11E in zombies mode. Note the sci-fi "tattoo".]]

== Stoner 63 ==

A [[Stoner 63]] in it's assault rifle configuration is unlocked as the last light machine gun in Multiplayer.

[[Image:Stoner63ARifle Config1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cadillac Gage Stoner 63A - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:CODBO-Stoner63-FPV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stoner 63 in the final level of the game "Redemption".]]

[[Image:BlackOps-STONER63.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

A handheld [[GE M134 Minigun|M134 Minigun]] is available in multiplayer as a Kill Streak reward ,can also be found during the campaign level "Vorkuta", under the name "Death Machine", and is also available in Zombie mode as a power-up, with unlimited ammo but disappearing after 1 minute.

This weapon is a modified version of the now-standard Terminator 2-style Minigun with some slight alterations. First the chainsaw grip is offset to the left and the Y-frame and rear grip are tilted to the right so that when the player holds the weapon, it is tilted to the left. Because of this the Y-frame is not actually attached to the recoil adapter assemblies which makes them completely extraneous. Additionally the barrel cluster incorrectly spins clock-wise from the player's perspective and features a custom three-disc barrel clamp rather than the traditional four-disc clamp.

Brass and links eject from the 12 o'clock position sending a stream of shells up and to the left. In reality the links would be ejected from the feeder/delinker where the chute is attached on the right side of the weapon and the brass would eject from the bottom. Likely this was altered for a more cinematic effect while using the gun. Finally the firing mechanism is a thumb switch on top of the rear grip rather than a traditional trigger.

The gun itself is fed from a 999-round (499 rounds in multiplayer) belt loaded into a chute from the first person perspective. In the third person the weapon has no visible ammo or power source. Despite the rotational speed of the barrel cluster (it spins so fast that it appears to be slowly rotating the opposite direction) the weapon only fires about 1000 rounds per minute. There is a slight spin up and spin down of the barrels before and after firing. Though it is only a fraction of a second and doesn't impede gameplay, it is technically incorrect as the M134's action is cycled by barrel rotation and would start firing as soon as the cluster rotated and would continue to fire until the cluster stopped. The XM214 had a feature that would declutch the feeder/delinker during spin down to conserve ammo, but the "Death Machine" is based on the M134, not the XM214, which was developed much later.

It is also worth noting that the Sentry gun and the Huey door gun Miniguns both use the handheld "Death Machine" model including custom hand grips and barrel clamps. The door gun version features an ammo can to the left of the gun with a chute that appears to feed into the left recoil adapter mounting assembly, which is incorrect since the feeder/delinker is installed on the right side of the weapon.

[[Image:Minigun_2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|'''Airsoft''' handheld M134 Minigun with 'Chainsaw grip' to handle the recoil force. This variant was seen in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]''. This is an airsoft version which retains the half-circle attachment point for the M60 foregrip from ''Predator''; the real T2 minigun did not have this - (fake) 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Shot0054.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M134 Minigun that somehow appeared in Soviet prison in modern day Siberia. Note the offset chainsaw grip and Y-frame tilted in relation to the recoil adapter assemblies and the top of the weapon. The drive motor was positioned in relation to the Y-frame but since the gun is sitting askew, it should on the underside.]]
[[Image:Shot0058.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mason "raising hell" with the hand-held M134.]]
[[File:CODBODeathMachineTropasWield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A member of the Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces (called "Tropas" in game) fires the M134. How the communist nation of Cuba got their hands on an American made minigun is what can only be described as "Treyarch logic".]]
[[File:CODBOM134HueyGunner.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A chopper gunner on a UH-1 Huey with the GE M134.]]
[[File:CODBOM134SnetryGun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sentry gun with the GE M134.]]

== M60E3 ==
The [[M60#M60E3_Machine_Gun | M60E3 ]] general purpose machine gun, known as "The Pig" during the Vietnam war, is available in the game. It does not appear to have the forward pistol grip. In-game, the M60E3 uses a modern flip-up rear iron sights instead its own original sights, like some other weapons available in ''Black Ops''. It is labelled as "M60" during gameplay, but is modeled after a M60E3, which the appearance during the Vietnam War is anachronistic, as only the original M60 was available at the time (the E3 variant was not introduced until 1986). The first M60 in the game, mounted on the plane at the end of Operation 40, has unlimited ammo and fires explosive rounds.

[[Image:M60E3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60E3 - 7.62x51mm]]

[[Image:BOM601.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60E3 in idle. Note the backwards rear iron sights.]]

=Sniper Rifles =

== Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Magnum ==
The [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Magnum]] is available in the game. The folding stock and fluted barrel indicates that this is the Magnum variant of the AW. While it doesn't appear in single player, it can be considered highly anachronistic to the Zombies and Multiplayer modes of Black Ops happening during the 1960's (the AWM entered British Military service in 1998, and the entire Arctic Warfare family of rifles wasn't developed until 1982). In-game it is called the L96A1, which is the incorrect designation for the weapon. The L96A1 is the British designation for the Accuracy International Precision Marksman. The Arctic Warfare Magnum's designation, at least the German Army designation, is the G22.

[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic WarfareM - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Accuracy International AWSM (Arctic Warfare Super Magnum) - .338 Lapua Magnum]]
[[Image:L96A1G.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The '''real''' L96A1 for comparison - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:AWPCODBO.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Image:AWPCODBO2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Image:BLACKOPS-AW-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds his Arctic Warfare Magnum with Siberia camo while performing a forward jump. Note the fluted barrel. The rifle has "ACCURATELY NATIONAL EAGLELAND" written on the side.]]

== Carcano M91/38 ==
Gun used on November 22, 1963, by Lee Harvey Oswald to assassinate U.S. President John F. Kennedy, can be seen for a second in a trailer. This is the first of many allusions to Kennedy's assassination throughout the game's campaign. This gun isn't usable in-game.
[[Image:CarcanoM91-38ShortRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Carcano M91/38 Short Rifle - 6.5mm.]]

[[Image:CARCANO.JPG|thumb|none|500px|This photograph is the ''actual'' Carcano used to kill President Kennedy.]]

== SVD Dragunov ==

The [[SVD Dragunov]] is one of the sniper rifles available in the game. Can be used with Variable Zoom Scope, NSPU Night Vision Scope, PK-AV Combat Scope, Silencer, or Extended Magazines.

[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]

[[Image:CODBO-SVD-FPV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SVD in the level "Executive Order".]]

[[Image:CODBO-SVD-SCP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SVD's PSO-1 scope as seen in the level "Executive Order." This is a poor replica of a modern POSP scope reticle and is totally incorrect for a period PSO-1.]]

== Walther WA 2000 ==

A [[Walther WA 2000]] appears as part of Mason's loadout in the mission "Victor Charlie", which makes it anachronistic, because "Victor Charlie" takes place in 1968 and the WA 2000 was not manufactured until 1982. Even a prototype would be anachronistic, because the gun was designed in the late 70s.

[[Image:Walther-WA2000.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Walther WA 2000 - .300 Win Mag.]]

[[Image:Shot0170.jpg|thumb|none|600px|WA 2000 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0172.jpg|thumb|none|600px|WA 2000 while reloading.]]

[[Image:Bowa2000s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|WA 2000 telespoce sight.]]

== Heckler & Koch PSG-1 ==
The [[Heckler & Koch PSG-1]] is a selectable weapon when playing as Agent Jason Hudson in the slums of Kowloon. In multiplayer, it is unlocked after every other sniper rifle is purchased. Its appearance in the game is anachronistic as the [[PSG-1]] was not developed until the 1970s. In addition it seems to be, for some reason, modeled with the standard G3 tropical handguard, attached bipod, and a shorter barrel. This suggests it was modeled after the SR-9 rifle, which is the civilian version of the PSG-1, though the SR-9 was not designed until 1990.
[[Image:H&KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch PSG-1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[Image:Shot0033.jpg|thumb|none|600px|H&K PSG-1 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0035.jpg|thumb|none|600px|H&K PSG-1 in reloading. Note the empty magazine.]]

[[Image:Shot0034.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Looking through the H&K PSG-1 scope.]]

[[Image:Shot0032.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The H&K PSG-1 on wall, note G3 foregrip, bipod, and short barrel. Also visible are a SITES [[Spectre M4]], [[CZ-75]] and dual OTs-02 Kiparis.]]

[[Image:Goldpsg1.png|thumb|none|600px|In-game golden H&K PSG-1.]]

== Mosin Nagant Rifle ==
The [[Mosin Nagant Rifle]] is found during the World War II Flashback mission "Project Nova", available open sighted as well. NPCs hold the in-world model of the weapon as if it has a pistol grip; this is due to recyling poses used by weapons which do have pistol grips (similar issues in other games result in sights like an enemy replacing a non-existent box magazine on a belt fed weapon, for example). In addition all of the models have a downturned bolt handle, actually only a feature of sniper versions.

[[Image:MosinNagantM9130Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Full-length, Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper Rifle with Russian PU 3.5x sniper scope and down turned bolt handle - 7.62x54R.]]

[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Full-length, Soviet Mosin Nagant M91/30 - 7.62x54R.]]

[[Image:Shot00978582.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Scoped Mosin Nagant.]]

[[Image:Shot0042221.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The middle soldier is holding a scoped Mosin Nagant while the other two holding [[PPSh-41]].]]

[[Image:Shot045042.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Regular Mosin Nagant in idle with incorrect bolt handle .]]

[[Image:Shot0043.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Regular Mosin Nagant in ADS.]]

= Launchers =

== SA-14 Gremlin ==
This updated version of the [[SA-7 Grail]], referred to in-game by its Russian designation of "Strela-3", appears in both single- and multiplayer mode, only capable of firing when locked onto a vehicle. Its appearance in the campaign is brief; Hudson uses a scavenged Strela-3 to shoot down two Mi-8 "Hip" gunships during the attack on Rebirth Island. The Gremlin is, like most weapons in the game, anachronistic, as ''Black Ops'' takes place in 1968, 6 years before its introduction in 1974. A more appropriate choice would have been the Strela-2, which was developed in 1968.

[[Image:800px-SA-14_missile_and_launch_tube.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SA-14 Gremlin launcher and missile 70mm.]]

[[Image:STRELABO.jpg|thumb|300px|none|SA-14 Gremlin in Create-A-Class menu.]]

[[Image:Shot00775.jpg|thumb|600px|none|SA-14 Gremlin in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0087976.jpg|thumb|600px|none|SA-14 Gremlin in ADS.]]

=== "Valkyrie" ===
A unique version of the [[SA-14 Gremlin]], called the "Valkyrie" which has a MCLOS (Manual Command to Line of Sight) system same as the [[BGM-71 TOW]]. It is usable in the single-player missions "Executive Order", wherein Alex Mason uses it to destroy the ''Soyuz II'' rocket in flight, and "Redemption", where it's used to down a pair of Mi-8 helicopters. It also acts as a killstreak in multi-player, awarded after seven kills and costing 4,000 CoD Points.

[[Image:Shot017817.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"Valkyrie" in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0118.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"Valkyrie's" lock-on system.]]

[[Image:Shot0115.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"Valkyrie" on the ground.]]

== RPG-7 ==
[[RPG-7]] is used by Cuban, North Vietnamese, and Russian troops in campaign mode, and is available in multiplayer as well.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 70mm Grenade Launcher]]

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[[Image:Shot0001.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

[[Image:BORPG.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== M202A1 FLASH ==
The M202A1 FLASH referred as the "Grim Reaper", can be used in the missions "Victor Charlie" and "Numbers" and also can be seen used by NPC's in the mission "Crash Site". In multiplayer mode, the ''Grim Reaper'' can be obtained from a care package killstreak (awarded after five kills) just like the ''Death Machine''. It has the unrealistic ability to lock on helicopters and planes and has 12 rockets in total (obviously not firing all of them at the same time). The M202's appearance in Black Ops is anachronistic, as it wasn't designed until the late 1970s and was not fielded by the US military until 1978.

[[Image:M202A2 FLASH.JPG|thumb|none|500px|M202A2 FLASH - 66mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Grim Reaper." Note the writing on the side of the weapon declares it to be "Launcher, Rocket, 66mm, 4-tube, M202A1," putting paid to any claim that the launcher shown in game is in any way supposed to be the earlier XM191.]]

[[Image:Shot0174.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Grim Reaper through its scope.]]

[[Image:Shot0176.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grim Reaper reloading.]]

== M72 LAW ==

The [[M72 LAW]] appears in the game as a single shot rocket launcher; it is anachronistic as the version used in the game is a modern M72A7 LAW, not Vietnam-era model. It is used by Mason to destroy NVA T-55 tanks in Vietnam. In multiplayer the M72 is the first launcher unlocked by the player and has the unrealistic capacity to lock-on to vehicles as opposed to the real life counter-part, which is direct-fire only.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M72A2 LAW, 66mm]]

[[Image:CODBO-M72LAW-FPV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M72 LAW as seen in the level "S.O.G."]]

[[Image:CODBO-M72LAW-SCP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Scope view of the M72 LAW as seen in the level "S.O.G."]]

== China Lake grenade launcher ==
The [[China Lake Launcher]] is available in Black Ops, and is the last launcher unlocked. The pump animation has been deliberately made slow for game balance, to the point that when paired with the correct Multiplayer perk, it'd be faster to reload after every shot rather than waiting for the pump animation to play. Furthermore, in Multiplayer mode, the tube magazine holds only half its actual capacity (two grenades instead of four). The weapon also cannot be fired without using the iron sight; if a "no-scope" shot is attempted, the player character will bring the launcher into aim-down-sight mode automatically before firing.

[[Image:US M79 pump-action four-shot 40x46mm grenade launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|China Lake Grenade Launcher - 40mm]]

[[Image:CODBO-ChinaLake-FPV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The China Lake as seen in the level "Numbers"]]

[[Image:CODBO-ChinaLake-SCP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The iron sights of the China Lake Launcher in the level "Numbers".]]

== Panzerschreck ==
The [[Panzerschreck]] is used by the German soldiers is the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova" and usable by the player.

[[Image:Tank_h5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Panzerschreck - 88mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0102.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Panzerschreck on the ground.]]

[[Image:Shot0090.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Panzerschreck in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0091.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Panzerschreck in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0105.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Panzerschreck in Reloading.]]

= Emplaced Weapons =

== M60 ==

The [[M60 machine gun]] is seen mounted as a door gun on a Huey gunship, and as a mounted weapon throughout the game.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[Image:CODBO-M60-EMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Emplaced M60 being fired in the level "S.O.G.".]]

== M134 Minigun ==

A Huey gunship is seen armed with a M21 armament system that consists of side mounted 70mm rocket pods and twin [[M134 Minigun]]s.

[[Image:Armament.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M134 Minigun mounted on M21 Armament Subsystem, same as in the films (this also includes huge [[M158 Rocket Launcher]])]]

[[Image:CODBOAR-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-29-46-73.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Huey gunship lights up the side of a building with its miniguns]]

== Browning M2HB ==

A [[Browning M2HB]] can be seen mounted on every M113 APC in the singleplayer and also on every PBR.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG.]]

[[Image:CODBO-M2HB.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M2HB is mounted on the APC.]]

[[Image:Shot0190.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pair of M2HB is mounted on a PBR.]]

== Unknown MANPADS ==

Seen as a part of the SAM Turrets.

[[Image:BLACKOPS-SAM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SAM Turret killstreak.]]

== BGM-71 TOW missile ==
The [[BGM-71 TOW]] is seen mounted on a jeep only in the mission "S.O.G." where the player need to destroy the NVA tanks. Unlike real TOW missile, this missile is guided by MCLOS (Manual Command to Line of Sight) instead of SACLOS (Semi Automatic Command to Line of Sight) which would be much simpler. Its appearance in "S.O.G." (set in 1968) is anachronistic: the BGM-71 wasn't introduced into US military service until 1970, and though it saw service in Vietnam, the weapon didn't appear there until 1972.

[[Image:Tow_07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|BGM-71 TOW mounted on M220 tripod 152mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0146.jpg|thumb|none|600px|BGM-71 mounted on a jeep. Note that this is the the Jeep 2011 Wrangler model, which is very anachronistic. During the 60's the US army used the M151 MUTT. Jeep asked Treyarch to advertise their new vehicle through the game; the company even offers a "Black Ops" edition of it.]]

[[Image:Shot0147.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The BGM-71. Notice the "TOW 2B" stencil on the tube; TOW 2B started production in 1991.]]

== Type 92 Heavy Machine Gun ==
The sentry guns in the zombie map "Kino der Toten" appears to be based on [[Type 92 Heavy Machine Gun]]. A double machine gun turret in the level "Victor Charlie" appears to be made of two modified Type 92s. The use icon for that turret reuses the icon for the Type 92 from ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]''.

[[Image:Japanese_Type_92_Heavy_Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Type 92 Heavy Machine Gun - 7.7x58mm SR.]]

[[Image:Shot0006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Type 92 mounted on an electrical engine.]]

[[Image:Bomg1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Image:Bomg2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Image:Bomg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Image:Bom4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Image:Bomg5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== MG42 ==
The [[MG42]] appears only as an emplaced weapon throughout the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova". The first [[MG42]] is seen fired by a Russian soldier and the rest by the Germans, but all are usable by the player.

[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser.]]

[[Image:Shot00050.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MG42 used by a Russian soldier.]]

[[Image:Shot0073.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Same as above...]]

[[Image:Shot0117.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MG42 is used by the player.]]

== AGS-30 automatic grenade launcher / machine gun ==
A heavy machine gun and a grenade launcher versions of AGS-30 with extended barrels are both attached to the BTR-60 APC that Hudson operates during the mission "Rebirth". Development of AGS-30 started in early 1990s, so it is highly anachronistic.

[[Image:Shot00588.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

[[Image:Shot0059.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

== DShK heavy machine gun ==
The [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is mostly seen mounted on trucks. The player uses one in "Vorkuta" and "WMD", and NPCs operate them in several other missions. It is fitted with an antiaircraft sight.
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian DShKM on tripod - 12.7x108mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0227.jpg|thumb|none|600px|DShK mounted on a truck.]]

[[Image:Shot4444.jpg|thumb|none|600px|DShK used by the player.]]

== 82-PM-37 ==
The [[82-PM-37]] mortar is used by the Russian soldiers in the World War II mission "Project Nova". The player can't use these first-hand, but can instead call in mortar strikes that are launched via these weapons by allies. Calling the mortars is done by throwing smoke grenades near the target. They appear on the ground as stun grenades, though this is simply a result of model reuse.

[[Image:Shot00446.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Russian soldiers using the 82-PM-37 mortar.]]

= Explosives =

== M34 White Phosphorous grenade ==
The [[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]] AKA "Willy Pete" is used in its intended role as a smoke grenade, rather than as an incendiary weapon. It still causes mild damage to enemies who are too close when it explodes, though.

[[Image:M34_2-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]].]]

[[Image:Shot0219.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The green grenade on the belt is the M34.]]

== M67 hand grenade ==
The [[M67 hand grenade]] once again returns as the primary grenade of every faction in-game (not including the World War II mission "Project Nova"). Because ''Black Ops'' takes place from 1961 to 1968, it would be slightly more accurate to see the [[M26 hand grenade]] instead of the M67, as it did not come into common use in the U.S. Military until 1969. Strictly speaking, though, it's not ''exactly'' anachronistic, as it was designed in the 50's. In the zombie maps Kino Der Toten, Five, and Ascention M67 hand grenades are 250 points for 4 grenades.

[[Image:Baseball.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M67 fragmentation grenade.]]

== Model 24 Stielhandgranate ==
The [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]] is used by the German soldiers in the World War II mission "Project Nova" and usable by the player. Also available in the zombie maps Natch Der Untoten, Verruct, Shi Nu Numa, and Der Riese for 250 points.

[[Image:24-43_grenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

[[Image:Shot110081.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Model 24 is about to be thrown.]]

[[Image:Shot0078.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Model 24 on the ground.]]

== RGD-33 stick grenade ==
The [[RGD-33 stick grenade]] is used by the Russian soldiers in the World War II mission "Project Nova" and usable by the player.

[[Image:Rgd-33russianfrag_mp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RGD-33 stick grenade.]]

[[Image:Shot0079.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RGD-33 is about to be thrown.]]

[[Image:Shot0130.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RGD-33 on the ground.]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==
The [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mine is available once again as a defensive weapon. For 1000 points claymores X2 are able to purchase in the maps Kino Der Toten, Five, Ascention, Call of the Dead, and Moon. Shangri La features an alternate version for the same price, called the "Spikemore", which as its name indicates launches spikes along with its usual shrapnel.

[[Image:M18a1_07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine.]]

== F-1 hand grenade ==
The [[F-1 hand grenade]] is one of the grenades that aren't usable in-game.

[[Image:Deactivated_f1.jpg|thumb|none|200px|F-1 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]

[[Image:Shot0219.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The grenades under the right shoulder are the F-1's.]]

[[Image:Shot0259.jpg|thumb|none|600px|F-1 hand grenade on dead Russian soldier. An [[RGD-5 hand grenade]] is also visible.]]

== RGD-5 hand grenade ==
The [[RGD-5 hand grenade]] is one of the grenades that aren't usable in-game.

[[Image:Rdg5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RGD-5 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]

[[Image:Shot0259.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RGD-5 hand grenade on a dead Russian soldier. An [[F-1 hand grenade]] is also visible.]]

== Mk 2 hand grenade ==
The [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] is one of the grenades that aren't usable in-game. The Mk 2 can can be seen on Tank Dempsey in the zombie map "Kino Der Toten".

[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|180px|Mk 2 "Pineapple" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]

[[Image:Shot0032301.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mk 2 hand grenade on Tank Dempsey's coat.]]

== M7 Gas Grenade ==

[[Image:M7A3.jpg|thumb|none|175px|M7 CS gas grenade.]]

[[Image:Shot0219.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The black grenades on the waist are the M7.]]

== Semtex Grenade ==

Purchasable for 2000 points in multiplayer, the player can use Semtex in place of a hand grenade. In zombies, four semtex grenades are 250 points in the zombie maps Call of the Dead, Shangri La, and Moon. It works somewhat similar to the normal hand grenade, though with a slightly shorter fuse and it can't be cooked to explode earlier. If it attaches to a player, that player's HUD will alert them that it is stuck to them, at which point they will die once it goes off.

http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/7/7d/Weapon_semtex_large.png

= Attachments =

== M203 grenade launcher ==
The [[M203 grenade launcher]] returns once again, but this time, it actually has the trigger and trigger guard, unlike in ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]'' and ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]''. In the first stages of the game, the M203 lacked the front and rear mountings as can be seen below, but added in the final version. Since ''Black Ops'' takes place from 1961 to 1968, it is anachronistic to see the M203 in use as it entered service only in 1969. A more historically-accurate choice would have been the [[XM148 grenade launcher]].

[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 - 40mm.]]

[[Image:CODBO-M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Notice the lack of front and rear mountings for the M203.]]

[[Image:Shot0183.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M203 attached to [[Colt Commando]] in reloading.]]

== GP-30 ==
A [[GP-30]] can be seen mounted on the [[AK-47|AK based gun]] and the [[Galil]]; as ever for the series, it is incorrectly called a GP-25 despite having the quadrant sight on the right instead of on the left. Its appearance is anachronistic; the GP-30 didn't enter service until 1989.

[[Image:Gp-30 ak-74.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GP-30 grenade launcher mounted on an [[AK-74]] - 40mm & 5.45x39mm]]
[[image:Shot0047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GP-30 on AK based weapon.]]
[[image:Shot0046.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GP-30 on AK based weapon.]]
[[image:Bogprl.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading GP-30 on AK based weapon.]]
[[image:-Galil_with_GP-25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GP-30 on Galil.]]

== Knight's Armament Masterkey underbarrel shotgun ==
The [[Knight's Armament Masterkey]] is a purchasable attachment for some Assault Rifles in multiplayer, and is seen in singleplayer mounted on the [[M14]] and [[M16]] in "SOG", and the [[Enfield L85 rifle series#XL64E5|Enfield]] in "Rebirth". The Masterkey is anachronistic as the Masterkey project was not initiated until the 1980s.

[[Image:KACMasterKey.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Masterkey - 12 gauge.]]

[[Image:CODBO3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Masterkey mounted on [[M16]].]]

[[Image:Boakmku.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==GSN-19 "Kanarejka" ==
The [[GSN-19 grenade launcher]] is a unique attachment for the [[AKS-74U]] compact carbine. First encountered in the single-player mission "Rebirth". Anachronistic, as like the gun in question, the launcher was not developed until the 1970s.

[[Image:Bs-1 1.jpg|thumb|none|401px|GSN-19 grenade launcher 30mm mounted on [[AK-74#AKS-74UB|AKS-74UB]] carbine 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:Shot0044.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GSN-19 in idle.]]
[[Image:Shot004897.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GSN-19 in reloading.]]
[[Image:Shot005004.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GSN-19 on a table.]]

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=Video Links=
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpLBPBGVIM&feature=channel| Debut Tease Trailer] 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtRnpC7ddv8| World Premiere Uncut Trailer] 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTlKvlX-Io| E3 Vietnam Gameplay trailer] 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9qkMsyNdw| E3 short WMD gameplay] 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IvvmtQ_FVg&feature=youtu.be| Call of Duty: Black Ops Insight]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4xg2rhLsT0| Call of Duty: Black Ops Multiplayer Teaser]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjcEeTmEys| Call of Duty: Black Ops Prestige Edition Unveiling]

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= Live Action Commercial=

==M1911A1==

[[File:CODBOLiveActComM1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A chef fires two [[M1911A1]]s in different directions which is impossible in game.]]

==Remington 870==

[[File:CODBOLiveActComRemington870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The 870 being fired. This weapon is not ever available in the game but judging by the heatshield slapped onto it; it may be standing in for the Stakeout.]]
[[File:CODBOLiveActComRemington870Closeup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up.]]
[[File:CODBOLiveActComRemington870FPS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In FPS view.]]
[[File:CODBOLiveActComAUG&PumpShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|See girls do play COD.]]

==Mini Uzi==

[[File:CODBOLiveActComMiniUzi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Mini Uzi another weapon not in the game.]]

==AUG==

[[File:CODBOLiveActComAUG&PumpShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The AUG in the background. Note the black finish.]]
[[File:CODBOLiveActComAUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view.]]

==Colt Model 733==

[[File:CODBOLiveActComM733.jpg|thumb|none|600px|My emblem is bigger than yours.]]
[[File:CODBOLiveActComAR15&M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Model 733 with an [[M203]].]]

==WASR-2==

[[File:CODBOLiveActComWASR2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hotel employee somehow gets into a shootout. Still not as crazy as spring break.]]
[[File:CODBOLiveActComWASR2(2).jpg|thumb|none|600px|A "player" holds the WASR-2 before getting blown to bits by a crossbow bolt.]]

==RPG-7==

[[File:CODBOLiveActComRPG7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|New faction: Best Buy.]]
[[File:CODBOLiveActComRPG7Kimmel.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jimmy Kimmel (yes that Jimmy Kimmel) is about to fire the RPG-7. He humorously falls on his ass due to the back blast.]]

==GE M134==

[[File:CODBOLiveActComM134Huey.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M134 being fired from an UH-1 Huey.]]
[[File:CODBOLiveActComM134Huey2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thats....one way to do your job.]]

==Crossbow==

[[File:CODBOLiveActComCrossbow.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Crossbow about to be fired.]]

= Miscellaneous Weapons =

== SOG Knife ==
The SOG Knife is a special knife used by the player (as Alex Mason) in the mission "Victor Charlie". This is the only time the SOG Knife is in use.

[[Image:Shot0159.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SOG Knife in idle. Note the tally marks.]]

[[Image:Shot0167.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SOG Knife been drawn.]]

== Tomahawk ==
The Tomahawk axe is a melee weapon that replaces the throwing knife (or tactical knife) from ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]'' in mutliplayer. In single-player, it's only available on the mission "Rebirth" after obtaining it from a Russian harbor worker and killing him with it.
[[Image:Tomahawk-BO.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tomahawk in Create-a-Class.]]
[[Image:Tomahawk-BOthrow.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Tomahawk being thrown.]]

== Ballistic Knife ==
The ballistic knife is a powerful melee weapon that available only in multiplayer and zombie modes. The knife is firing blades with a spring inside the body.Even though the ballistic knife does not appear in single player,it's appearance in multiplayer could be seen as anachronistic,as the ballistic knife was not developed until the early 1980's

The ballistic knife in game also has an unrealistically long range,the real ballistic knife has a maximum range of only twenty to thirty feet while the blades in game travels near infinitely in an arc.

[[Image:BK-BO.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The ballistic knife being reloaded.]]

== Main Knife ==

The knife returns in Call of Duty: Black Ops. It is still a one-hit kill, but unlike the previous versions, seems to cause a very large fountain of blood to appear after knifing an enemy.

[[Image:659px-KnifeBlackOpsMultiplayer.png|thumb|none|500px|The Main Knife in-game.]]

== Prison Knife ==

The Prison Knife is a melee weapon used in the mission "Vorkuta" in Call of Duty: Black Ops. It appears to be a jagged piece of scrap metal, similar to a 'shank' or 'shiv'. After Mason acquires another weapon, the prison knife is no longer equipped, and is only used by pressing the melee button. You can see blood on the blade, probably from stabbing the prison guard.

[[Image:624px-Prisonknife.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Prison Knife in-game.]]

== Karambit Knife ==

The Karambit Knife is a combat knife used in the Call of Duty: Black Ops mission Executive Order. It is used to kill a Russian soldier by sticking it into the soldier's spinal cord, killing him, allowing the player and Frank Woods to take their uniform and infiltrate the launch site. Though this blade is used only by US Federal Air Marshals currently, Mason and Woods could have used it instead of a normal blade to aid in the purpose of the mission. Unlike a normal blade, it is shaped like a jungle cat's claw.

[[Image:561px-Karambit_Knife.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karambit Knife in-game.]]

== Bowie Knife ==

The Bowie Knife is a special melee weapon which can be bought for 3000 points in Der Riese, Kino der Toten and Five. It is larger and wider than the standard combat knife in Call of Duty: Black Ops (or any Call of Duty game for that matter). It increases Knife damage from 150 to 1150, making it a one-hit-kill for zombies from Round 1 to Round 11. It is a one-hit-kill to Hellhounds all the way up until the third hellround.

[[Image:BowieKnifePolkCompetition2-1024.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Bowie Knife in Real Life.]]

[[Image:Bowie.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Bowie Knife in-game.]]

== Crossbow ==

The Crossbow is a new weapon that featured in ''Call of Duty: Black Ops''. It is speculated to fulfill the role of a quiet, long range weapon. The crossbow appears in the campaign missions "Executive Order" and "WMD", which are set in Baikonur and the Ural Mountains, respectively. In multiplayer, crossbows only fire explosive bolts; in singleplayer, they can also fire normal bolts. Crossbows in singleplayer also often have scopes attached.

[[Image:Shot0205.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Crossbow in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0206.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Crossbow in reloading.]]

== Flamethrower ==

A flamethrower of unknown model has been confirmed to be in Call of Duty: Black Ops as found in the "GKnova6 document" which can be found here: [http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr135/priceman14/doc10.jpg]
The document only refers to it as "Improvised Weaponry" in "Phase 1 Testing" with most of the other information redacted.

Another model appears as an underbarrel attachment.

The image used by www.codblackopsblog.com
[http://www.codblackopsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Black-Ops-Weapons-Flamethrower.jpg]

Reference image of Flamethrowers in Call of Duty: World at War, a past Treyarch game that featured flamethrowers. Image from www.gameinformer.com
[http://blog.al.com/techcetera/2008/12/Pelilucodwaw.jpg]

[[Image:PSG1pic.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Flamethrower mounted on FAMAS F2 FELIN. ''Note ankward M16 handguard'']]

=Discussion=

I just realize that the BUISs on the Commando looked kinda like Troy Industry sights and they they are...backwards. They are supposed to fold back down towards you and not forward [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:49, 1 April 2013 (EDT)

== Regarding the HK21... ==

Shouldn't an HK21E that feeds from magazines be referred to as an HK11E?
As I understand the numbers: 21 = 7.62x51mm belt fed, 11 = 7.62x51mm magazine fed, 23 = 5.56x45mm belt fed and 13 = 5.56x45mm magazine fed.
The original HK21 could be adapted to feed from G3 mags or drums but I don't know if the "E" for Export models could be modded in the same way.
Is there an obvious visual difference between an HK21E with an adaptor kit and an HK11E? If so, which one is it that's in the game? [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 19:11, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

: According to HKPro.com I was right - an HK21E adapted to fire from G3 mags or drums *is* an HK11E. I'll change the entry now. [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 20:33, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops

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Stickie: /* Regarding the HK21... */ new section

Talk:The Incredible Hulk (2008)

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Stickie: /* Grenade Launcher */

==Need M16 confirmation==

[[Image:Inc_hulk_m16_m4_1.jpg|thumb|none|800px|]]

Is the soldier on the left carrying an M16A2 or A4?
--[[User:Dangerman 1973|Dangerman 1973]] 03:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::From this shot it's almost impossible to tell. A hint is that the detachable carry handle tends to be squatter and flatter than the non-detachable one from the A2. But in this shot you can't tell. It's too non-distinct. [Edit] it only 'appears to be squatter and flatter, because the receiver body is raised by the lower portion of the removable carry handle. The 'hole' in the carry handle is definitely a different shape than that of a full, non-detachable carry handle, but the overall height on both rifles is the same. Just wanted to clarify that.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A2 Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).]]
[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A4 with carry handle attached and standard A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The rocket launcher that no one knows about is a Nerf N-Strike Titan AS-V.1 with so slight changes but the grip is the exact same
:Really? they used a Nerf gun in a film!?![[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 10:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::LOL he is right. Here's a pic of the original Nerf below
::[[Image:Nstrike-nerf-unity-power-system.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
::It does seem to be made from (or at least cast from) a Nerf. The stirup pump/shoulder stock at the back has been removed, and a front section added, but there are very definitely some parts that are the same, such as the dual grips with dual triggers, the bracket on the bottom of the grip (which has something added to it in the movie)) and the scope (i think) mount. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

==New screencaps==

I just got this movie on DVD. If nobody objects, I'd like to get rid of all the old screencaps and replace them with new ones as soon as I take them. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Go ahead, I just got the DVD recently myself, and I was going to ask the same thing, but you got here first. Make sure you include that rocket launcher they tried to used on The Abomination when he first appeared, I'm not sure if it's a prop or an actual missle launcher, they have some good shots of it in the movie though.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

:I've been watching and screencapping for an hour now, and one thing that's becoming obvious to me (and which has been sorta obvious for a while) is that my new laptop's GPU is really not so great. The image quality of most of my screencaps has been disappointing. I screencapped ''[[New Jack City]]'' last weekend, and compared the images I took on my current laptop to some screencaps which I took on my older laptop for another site a few years ago. Even though my old laptop is now 4 years old, it appears to produce better screencaps than my CURRENT laptop!

:So if you want to take a few shots and compare them to mine so that we can see whose are better, it wouldn't be a bad idea. I want IMFDB to have the best quality images possible. If your computer produces better ones than mine and you want to put yours up, so be it. -MT2008

Here's two I took from the Campus fight, what do you think?:

[[Image:TIH_M2.jpg|400px|none|]]
[[Image:TIH_M4.jpg|400px|none|]]

:Here are two of mine:

[[Image:Vlcsnap-147092.jpg|400px|none|]]

:As you can see, the first one in JPEG isn't so great. I started taking some in PNG (the second one), which looks better, I guess. One thing I'd recommend - adjust the aspect ratio on yours so that the image isn't distorted. Like, I should probably edit mine to ditch those black bars. -MT2008

I'm not really sure how to adjust the Aspect ratio, I have a Pan & Scan thing, but I tried that once, and it looked awful. I use CyberLink PowerDVD for my Screencaps, I noticed one time when I took a screencap for Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem, they appear to be slightly stretched, so it looks like you win. As for the black bars, whenever I do a widescreen movie, I just crop out the bars, if you like I could take them out of your screenshots and reupload them.

:I dunno, it's just that a lot of the shots you've taken in the past are really good quality. If you figure it out, yours might be far superior to mine, in which case, I'd rather have yours. Not sure how CyperLink works (I don't use it myself), but is there a video option? Aspect Ratio is usually under that menu.

:I'll crop out the bars, shouldn't be a problem.-MT2008

: I also have it, I bought it the first day but I already had two movies saved in full and didn't need anymore work. If anyone needs extra shots let me know. -GM

The stretch thing isn't anything really noticeable, you need the movie and the screencap side by side to notice anything. I can't seem seem to find anything that says video at all, I can zoom it in and stretch it to fit the monitor, but that will just lower the quality of the screenshots. Anyway, do you want dibbs on the page, or would you like me to upload some of my own?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

: Well, for now, I will do it, unless you really want to instead. But if not, I do give you free reign to supplement my shots with any of your own that you feel are superior or necessary. -MT2008

I will upload extra shots shots when your done, you know that rocket launcher they attempt to use on The Abomination? Well, if it's okay with you, I would like to include a shot of The Abomination catching the rocket out of the air.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

==Al Vrkljan==
I was never lucky enough to catch a convo with this guy before he seemed to have left the site. Question, how do you pronounce his last name? -GM

:Beats me. Hopefully he'll be back, because his company has worked on a lot of productions done in Canada, so he could probably answer lots of questions about guns in some of his movies. -MT2008

: It's pronounced "Ver-Klan." - [[User: 2wingo]]

==Does anyone know what these are?==

Take a look at this image of Al with the G36C and note the thing on the rear part of the receiver that flashes green and red:

[[Image:TIH 11.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

Any idea what this thing is? All of the commandos seem to have them on their weapons. I've never seen anything like it.
::::It's a radiation sensor to track Banner.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
: They probably have something to do with the tranquilizer system.
::All I know is that they flash and beep just before they enter the room.
:::Maybe they measure gamma levels, so they can find Banner easier. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==M&P==
Why is Banner's old style revolver called an M&P? It's not an a M&P. the ejector rod looks like a plain jane Model 10. The M&P had that ejector rod notch cut into the ejector shroud/barrel which added onto the production time and ended costing more due to manhours. The gun that Banner has is a straight line ejector rod model, which makes it a standard Model 10. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Grenade Launcher ==

I don't have this film on DVD so can't check myself, but at any point do you actually see the chambers cycle? The reason I ask is that I think that these may actually be cosmetic, and the whole gun is mocked up from a single shot launcher. As far as I can see there are 4 reasons this cannot be a DefTech 37mm MGL. 1: The chambers are too short, although this could mean the 40mm version but I doubt it. 2: In the first and 3rd screenshots you can see that it has an external hammer and the angle of the back of the receiver is too severe. 3: The position of the pistol grip relative to the back of the receiver is wrong when you compare it to the DefTech MGL. 4: Most importantly, you can see that in the last screenshot, the circular bulge that is the actual chamber of the weapon is visible, behind the cosmetic rotating chambers.

I believe that it is actually the [[S&W gas gun|Def Tech 1315]] pictured below, with either an older, after market or modified stock, with cosmetic chambers and RIS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:58, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

[[Image:DefTech1315.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DefTech 1315 - 37mm]]

We definitely see the chambers rotating on the launcher that Blonksy uses during the university fight. In a few shots it seems as though he is racking the forward grip back and forth (as though it was a pump action) and that that is what makes the cylinder move. It looks like you're right. [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 16:02, 27 March 2013 (EDT)

== Tranquilizers ==

I'm not 100% on this (due to the lighting and fast-pace of the scenes in question), but I think the tranquilizers are coming from one of the attachments on the commando'es guns (namely the one that looks like a tac-lit with an over-sized head), not the guns themselves. BigD, 10-23-2012, 20:06
:The "tac-lit with an over-sized head" is a flashlight. They're using tranquilliser ammunition in regular guns. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:48, 24 October 2012 (EDT)

Godzilla (1998)

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Stickie: Corrected some spelling mistakes

'''The following guns are seen in the American version of ''Godzilla'' (1998):'''
[[Image:Godzilla.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Godzilla'' (1998)]]

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==Heckler & Koch HK94A3 (mocked-up as MP5A3)==

The French DGSE agents, including Agent Philip Roche ([[Jean Reno]]), bring [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94A3]] carbines, converted to [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] submachine guns, when they infiltrate Godzilla's nest in Madison Square Garden (one of which has a Surefire flashlight grip). Some of the U.S. soldiers in the movie are also seen with MP5A3s.

[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Heckler & Koch HK94A3 converted to a resemble an MP5A3, with a chopped barrel and converted to auto, with a third firing position added to the lower receiver.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-405633.jpg|thumb|800px|none|A French DGSE agent armed with an [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|MP5A3]] with Surefire grip.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-406383.jpg|thumb|800px|none|The same DGSE agent with an [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|MP5A3]], this time without the SureFire foregrip.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-407598.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Philip Roche ([[Jean Reno]]) points his MP5A3 at Animal ([[Hank Azaria]]).]]

== M16A2 ==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16A2|M16A2]] is used by U.S. Army personnel throughout the movie to shoot at Godzilla (it is also possible that some of them might actually be [[M16 rifle series#M16A1|M16A1s]] with M16A2 handguards, which is common in action movies from the 1990s). During the scene in the French DGSE warehouse, several agents are seen unloading crates full of these weapons and lying them on tables.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M16A2 - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 with A2 style handguards - 5.56x45mm. Putting the distinctive A2 handguards on the older rifle was a method used by Movie/TV armorers to simulate A2 rifles when M16A1s were the only ones available.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-396080.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Soldiers aiming their [[M16 rifle series#M16A2|M16A2s]] at Godzilla.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-395302.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Soldiers firing their M16A2s at Godzilla.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-397055.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Weapons lined up at the abandoned warehouse commandeered by DGSE; visible are many [[M16 rifle series#M16A2|M16A2s]], plus some disassembled RPG-7 rockets (missing their second half which is screwed on when prepping for loading).]]

== M4A1 ==

During the second scene in which Godzilla confronts the U.S. Army, several soldiers are seen firing [[M16 rifle series#M4 Carbine|M4A1]] carbines at Godzilla, which have had their carry handles removed and replaced with C-More(CTAC) sights, and have something attached directly above the barrel. These are the exact same M4s used in ''[[Air Force One]]'' (which had the same armorer as this movie).

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M4A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-394601.jpg|thumb|800px|none|U.S. soldiers fire upon Godzilla. The soldiers are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M4 Carbine|M4A1]] carbines, [[Armsel Striker and variants#Armsel Striker|Street Sweeper]]
shotguns, and at least one [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] (on the lower right).]]

==AK-47==

AK-47 rifles can be seen in the hands of Ukrainian soldiers when they arrived in the Chernobyl exclusion zone via helicopter. From these scenes, it appears the Ukrainian soldiers are armed with the original, milled-receiver AK-47s and not the more modern AKM and AK-74 rifles the real-life Ukrainian Army is armed with. Note that they inaccurately exit a 1950's era Boeing Shawnee tandem rotor helicopter of US Origin.
[[Image:Ak_54.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Milled Receiver AK-47 design - 7.62x39mm.]]

==SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper shotgun==

When Godzilla charges a U.S. Army roadblock, some of the soldiers are shown firing at him with, oddly, [[Armsel Striker and variants#Armsel Striker|Street Sweeper]] shotguns, a weapon that has never been used by any branch of the U.S. military.
[[Image:Striker.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Armsel Striker - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-394601.jpg|thumb|800px|none|U.S. soldiers fire upon Godzilla. The soldiers are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M4 Carbine|M4A1]] carbines, [[Armsel Striker and variants#Armsel Striker|Street Sweeper]] shotguns, and at least one [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] (on the lower right).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-395055.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Another view of the above scene; the soldier in the center has an [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|MP5A3]], while the one on the right is firing a [[Armsel Striker and variants#Armsel Striker|Street Sweeper]].]]

==DefTech 37mm launcher==

Some of the U.S. soldiers in the movie are shown using [[Defense Technology]] (DefTech) 37mm multi-shot launchers, including [[Doug Savant]] as Sergeant O'Neil. Some are also seen on a table in the DGSE warehouse where weapons are being unpacked. As in most Hollywood movies, the DefTech (and similar 37mm launchers) is inaccurately depicted as a weapon capable of firing HE grenades, whereas in real life it can only fire less-than-lethal ordnance.

[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|800px|DefTech Launcher - 37mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-395553.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Sergeant O'Neil aims a DefTech 37mm launcher at Godzilla.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-396561.jpg|thumb|800px|none|O'Neil fires his DefTech 37mm at Godzilla, while the soldiers around him let loose with their [[M16 rifle series#M16A2|M16A2s]].]]

==M60==
The [[M60 machine gun]] appears in the film, usually mounted on Humvees shown firing at Godzilla (both the regular and E3 versions make appearances).
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|447px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|700px|M60E3 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-208562.jpg|thumb|800px|none|A U.S. soldier jumps from a Humvee fitted with an [[M60 machine gun]].]]

==M136 AT4==

Some of the U.S. soldiers in the film fire at Godzilla with [[M136 AT4|M136 (AT4)]] rocket launchers. More are also visible in the DGSE warehouse where the weapons are being unpacked.

[[Image:At4_m136.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M136 AT4 Anti-Tank rocket launcher 84mm fitted with a night-vision scope.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-209287.jpg|thumb|800px|none|U.S. soldiers prepare to fight Godzilla; the soldier on the far right is armed with an [[M136 AT4|M136 (AT4)]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-397055.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Weapons lined up at the abandoned warehouse commandeered by DGSE; visible are many [[M16 rifle series#M16A2|M16A2s]], plus some [[RPG-7|RPG-7]] rocket heads.]]

==SPAS 15==

When the military has set its first trap and is waiting for Godzilla to show up, at least one soldier can be seen wielding a [[SPAS 15|Franchi SPAS 15]] combat shotgun, yet another weapon which is not used by the U.S. military.

[[Image:Franchi_spas15.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Franchi SPAS 15 - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-206482.jpg|thumb|800px|none|The soldiers awaiting Godzilla's arrival; the soldier on the far left is holding a [[SPAS 15]].]]

==Browning M2==
Used by the U.S Army.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2HB - .50 BMG]]

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Talk:Resident Evil: Extinction

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==IMI Uzi==
While she doesn't use them in the film, Alice is seen holding two full-size [[Uzi|IMI Uzi]]s in the theatrical movie poster.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]
[[Image:REEUzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

== I'll take the job ==

No one's been bothering with this, so I've decided to take it up.

Hasn't anybody noticed the shotgun in Mikey's van? When the crows fly past his sensors, the alarm sounds, he wakes up and hits his head, then as he gets up you can clearly see a shotgun hanging on the ceiling of the van. At first I thought it was a Benelli semi-automatic but after I looked at it a few times I could see it was pump-action for sure. It has a pistol grip/rifle stock, and an extended magazine. I hope someone finds out what it is. (Gunmaster12)

What Im thinking it might be a Benelli M3 or probably a modified shotgun or something.
Im like, f**king confused and its annoying me... (Demonslayer43)

== Revolvers ==

I've seen a couple revolvers, but haven't gotten any good shots of them.

== L85A1 ==
I can't help but wonder where a cowboy driving around in the Nevada desert would come upon a British army rifle... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Maybe, for the sake of the story, he encountered British troops in the US and took it from a dead body, or got it from a guy who happens to have it, or it was HIS and he somehow aquired it. Who knows. I mean where does Alice get the ammo for her guns anyway? How did Carlos lose his Tavor? Just try not to ask the question for the sake of asking [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

::Alice's ammo: Probably the same place everyone else does, from raiding small towns. Carlos' Tavor: The Tavor wasn't Carlos', it was Yuri's and he probably abandoned it in Raccoon City when he ran out of ammo. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:54, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Yuri and Nikolai had TARs, Carlos had a Galil. Carlos also had Desert Eagles, so it seems the Israeli weapons industry armed the whole team... [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 15:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Its one thing I wondered when I first saw this article, would be fun if we could get these rifles here in the US but Britian is anti gun so they wouldn't want to help us arm ourselves. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

You really wouldn't want one, I seved with one, and it jammed up on me 3 times in 2 mags - Captain Snikt

Must be the oldies, the new ones worked fine. Only ever had 1 jam. But, I agree you wouldn't want one, stick to your M4 and M16.
But, back to the topic of how an L85 can end up in Yanke land - a company (Prexis?) sells something called the PR85a1 in parts of the USA. It looks like an A1, but isn't. It only works in semi-automatic. Effectivly, it is an L98'''A2''' cadet rifle, but with the externals of an L85A1 (the A2, made by HK in 2009, is capable of semi-automatic, unlike the bolt action A1 cadet rifle). From what I've been told, its almost impossible to mod it to fire on fully auto or bust. It costs quite a bit too, a few grand (£).

Late to this convo, but the question came to my mind too. I mean yeah, the characters are carrying whatever they happened to loot/come across, and I accept that, but still, the odds of coming across an L85 in the US rather than a weapon actually used by some branch of the US military/law enforcement, or even a weapon that's reasonably easy to acquire by civilians in the US has GOT to be slim. Realistically, as far as assault rifles go, an M4, or M16, or a G36, or even an AUG(which is at least used by Customs) would be a lot more likely to be found laying around waiting to be looted than an L85. Then again, "realism" and "Resident Evil movie" should probably never be brought up in the same topic anyways, so I suppose the point is moot. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 14:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

::Rule of cool my friend, rule of cool. That and its so...'exotic'. You barely see them in films set in the UK, or with UK forces (because - how many are there?) so to see one in the US makes it extra special. Then again - perhaps he owns it - as the above guy said, a company in the USA does sell a semi-automatic L85 clone.
:::Ok, I want to know which company is that? Cause I kinda like the L85 rifle, though I like the AUG more. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, the guy said the one sold in the US is "almost impossible to mod it to fire on fully auto" too, so still, the cowboy just happens to be/find one of the what, 100 people in the US who had one of those rifles(the company that makes them is indeed Prexis, it's called the PL-85, and it costs $2900 on their website) AND happens to also able to convert it/find one already converted to full auto? Seems you'd be more likely to find some Modern Warfare kid who was machining his own AKs in his mom's basement than find a PL-85. So yeah, I'd say rule of cool indeed wins out. Oh well, it's always fun to find off the wall firearm choices in movies, regardless of whether or not the weapon realistically would be the one used. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 04:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

::::really late to this, but wouldn't it be possible for the character to have purchased the gun illegally before the outbreaks started?
:::::Theoretically, yes. Realistically...how easy do you think it is to get an illegal L85 on the black market? Handguns, pump shotguns, various rifles, yeah, stuff like M16s, M4s, MP5s, G36s...stuff that could be "misplaced"/stolen from a US Law Enforcement or military force, and make it's way onto the black market, sure. Things like AKs and Uzis that have been smuggled into the country illegally for years, yeah wouldn't be too hard to get them either, if you had the cash and knew the right people. But how many L85s, even illegals, do you think are floating around out there(especially being that it's not a prolific gun to begin with, not like AK and AR style weapons which are used, sold, and/or cloned all over the world by dozens of countries, and have a lot of possible sources for arms dealers to acquire them at)? Would *really* take some effort to get one of those, I'd think. But yes, it is, theoretically, possible, we never said it was impossible he'd have one, just extremely unlikely. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 09:24, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

Maybe the convoy raided an abandoned special forces base / facility? I know that the British SAS keep examples of loads of foreign firearms in their armouries for familiarity training or deniable, clandestine operations - it's not much of a stretch to imagine US special forces troops doing the same [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 16:07, 26 March 2013 (EDT)

== Took out the crossbow ==

The reason why I took out the crossbow is for obvious reasons, it's NOT a firearm in any sense of the word. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
It launches a projectile, though.-protoAuthor
:Lots of articles on this site (''[[The Punisher]]'', the ''Rambo'' series) feature bows and other weapons that are not technically firearms. The rule of thumb seems to be if a mechanically powered projectile weapon appears in a film with lots of actual firearms, said weapon can be either included or omitted at the discretion of the author.

== Unknown Revolver ==
Chase ([[Linden Ashby]]) uses an unknown revolver to kill a zombie on the Eiffel Tower.
: I'm pretty sure that it was a Colt 1873 SAA or something similar.
::It was double action I believe. It is seen for only a split section, so I couldn't ID it myself when I watched it on TV recently. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Looked like a schofield style revolver, probably 7.5" barrel. If you watch closely he appears to cock it for each shot. Look carefully when hes on the tower and fighting off the zombie, he reaches for a blued revolver with a wood handle that looks a lot like a russian or beretta laramie schofield revolver. Just my 2cents
::::There's an ejector shroud and if you look close enough, you can see the hinge for the cylinder. In my honest opinion it's either a S&W model 28 or a Model 29. Linden Ashby is a big man, Judging by the size of the gun and his size, it'd be a .44 magnum Model 29.

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==Mossberg 464==
'''[moved from main page]''' --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

did anyone else notice she was loading it with what looked like 45ACP ammo??
-Could be chambered in the similar 45LC, Winchester 94's come in that caliber too.

==Revolver==

What revolver is this insane survivor using ?

[[Image:REELDA2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An insane survivor holds Alice's LDA, the other one has a revolver.]]

== K-Mart used the Winchester ==

Hey how come the character K-Mart (Spencer Locke) hasn't got a page? In this movie (Resident Evil: Extinction), she uses the Winchester Model 1300 12Gauge but it isn't mentioned. It happened during the Super-Undead Zombie attack, zombies come out of the container, she runs away, gets into the truck with L.J., thena zombie comes and tries to get in. She gets the shotgun, yells at L.J. "Get down!", pumps the weapon, thenshoots the zombie in the head. She deserves the recognition for it. After all, the character is supposed to be 14 years old.

She has a page, but to be honest, I don't think she needs one, as she's only used one gun in one movie, kind of a waste of space until she gets some more notches in her belt. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 21:56, 16 April 2011 (CDT)

==Carlos's handguns==

Didnt Carlos use Dual Desert Eagles in Apocolypes? But i guess being 5 years since the movies have gone by hes gotten new ones... wierd...
(Demonslayer43)

I think he should have kept the IMI Desert Eagles .50AEs. They beat HK USP 9mms any day....:( --[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 13:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Only when your out of 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:FiveTwoSeven is right on the money. Desert Eagles might beat 9mm if you're hunting rhinos or grizzly bears or something, but otherwise, they're a bulky, heavy, oversized gun firing unnecessarily big bullets. Hate to tell you man, but the real world doesn't work like Call of Duty, there's NO real world military or police force that carries the DE, while there are tons carrying 9mm pistols. And there's a reason for that. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

The Desert Eagle may be over-powered, but the 9mm is definatly under-powered. You could hit an enemy 4-5 times and not take them out, but with the Desert Eagle you only need 1 shot. And please don't tell me your a "9mm all the way", because there are more calibres that are better than the 9mm than there are worse, by far. (.41AE, 10mm Auto, 9x21mmIMI, and of course .45 ACP, plus all the magnums .357 and .44 are better by my books.)And no, i don't think the world works like COD4, because i have found more mistakes with the firearms than you could ever imagine. Ditto for MW2. I wish i had had a say in the making of the games, i would have changed a lot. sorry if i caused offence.--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 04:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I take it that you come from video games and know little about real guns. 9mm is perfectly fine for anything related to personal defence. One very well known writer that also lives in my home state New Hampshire, Massod Ayoob, is a retired police officer. He is VERY experianced with guns and in fact "gunfighting" aswell. He has actually been in real gun fights. He writes alot about gun fights where someone had to draw their weapon. He is by definition a true expert on guns. He packs a 9mm daily. Would he if it took several rounds to do what one round of .45 could do? No he wouldn't. There has been one account of someone that was shot 4 times with a .45 and walked out of the hospital a few hours later and many other accounts where someone was shot once with a 9mm and was dead before he hit the ground. One gun high as a kite on meth was shot 6 times with a .41 magnum and kept fighting and took getting run over the the LEO's partner with the cruiser and he was still trying to fight even with the vehicle over him .41 AE is a near obsolete round, 9x21 is extremely uncommon, and 10mm is uncommon to a point. The desert eagle is NOT a fighting handgun, way to big and unwieldy. Also putting trust into a large round to stop someone kinda says that you don't trust your self to hit him somewhere vital and you hope that he drops dead. Getting hit once with a .50 AE doesn't garentee a one shot stop. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Everything the above guy said is dead on the money. And anyway Gunmaster, if the DE is so much better than a 9mm handgun, I'll reiterate-why do NO military or law enforcement agencies in the world carry them, yet many still carry 9mm weapons? Even units who have the freedom to choose their own sidearms do not carry Desert Eagles, why do you think that is? Sure, you can argue that 9mm isn't the best round in the world and that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that a 9mm handgun is STILL better for combat use than a DE, unless your definition of "combat" includes shootouts with elephants or something. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 08:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay for starters don't get worked up, I'm not trying to start a 9mm/other calibres war.....
And no, I didn't get anything know about guns from video games. I have just always had an interest in firearms for the last 8 years of my life, since age 8 all the while I've simply been gathering information through good old books. I can promise you that you'd be surprised. No shit, you ask me a question about any weapons specifications I can answer it. Without Google.
Now, the 9x19mm Luger Parabellum round has many advantages, such as ammunition capacity, but it is seriously lacking in power, fair and square.
But as a military calibre, things such as capacity may be an issue. Take the Colt M1911 .45 ACP (11.43x23mm) pistol. The .45 round is the optimal military calibre in terms of power, but that particular weapon takes only 7 rounds. Most weapons in that calibre can't take high amounts of ammunition, and at the time of the XM9 handgun trials Beretta and SIG-Sauer took the spotlight, ruining the chances of weapons like the Spanish Star "Megastar" .45ACP, and the HK MK 23 MOD 0 SOCOM .45ACP. Those ones can take 12 rounds of ammunition. And my definition of combat includes circumstances that can never be forseen. Thus you must always be prepared. If I was put on the battlefield with one handgun of my choice it would definatly and without a doubt be a Hecklar & Koch Mark 23 Model 0 .45.Comparativly puny Glock 17s, Berreta M92-SB-Fs, and USP-9s wouldn't come close. But don't get me wrong, 9mms have their time and place. It can sometimes come down to personal preference; mine just doesn't run to the 9mm Parabellum round. One more thing, my views on the 9mm are much different when your talking sub-machine guns. I would never diss the HK MP5, it's variants, the IMI Uzi, it's variants, and definatly not the Steyr AUG Para SMG.
About the Desert Eagle not being in service anywhere, it's obvious the NATO countries would look to their own country's weapons before adopting an Israeli weapon, and after the Glock started getting used by "over 65% of the world's military and police forces" as they claim, Israel decided to as well. Anyway I respect your argument but I hope you can also respect mine --[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 15:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Isreal wasn't using the Desert Eagle BEFORE they adopted the Glock. People don't carry it because it's NOT A COMBAT HANDGUN. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 21:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Seeing how you like the MK23 it definatly shows where you come from. If you were to hang around a non HK-biased gun board like TheHighRoad.org, you would know that its a huge over priced pistol. The Desert Eagle is FAR FROM A COMBAT PISTOL PERIOD. Not even the country that made it issues it. <-------- Read that. Judging by your weapon choices I see that you come from Rainbow 6 Vegas, not real life. Although FMJ 9mm isn't the best I know that but when you can have hollow points its perfectly fine. If I were to fight in a official Military force I would carry either a SIG Sauer P220, FNP 45 or I would still pack my 9mm Hi Power. The MK23 is one of the SOCOM issue weapons yet it is rarely carried, why you may ask? Because its do big and unwieldy. The Navy SEALs have choosen the 9mm P226 over a .40 or a .45 because its shot placement. By the time you lug your MK23 or Desert Eagle out of the holster I would have already draw and double tapped you with my Hi Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, let's get something straight. I DO NOT GET MY WEAPON KNOWLAGE OR PREFERENCES FROM VIDEO GAMES. I've never played rainbow 6. i will say this though, good on you for your choice of the SIG-Sauer, best quality gun brand i think. I'm not HK-biased, i just know that in a firefight between a 12 round .45 MK 23 and say as you said a 13 round 9mm Browning, the Mk 23 owner would have the edge. And about the SIG having better shot placement...you can get the P220 in .45, .357SIG, and .40 S&W...all of these would be better than the 9mm version except for capacity. And just one more thing.....have you ever fired a full size assault rifle in real life, not COD4? Just curious--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 18:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:You know the people the Mk 23 was designed for don't use it, right? If it was such an awesome gun, why do even THEY not carry it? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 21:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Full size assault rifle? I didn't know there were small and mediun sizes. I haven't fired a full auto assault rifle yet but I've fired plenty of AR-15s and AK 47s a M1A, I even got a AR 15 of my own. The only full auto I've fired was a M60 when I was young. The SIG P220 only comes in .45 now, never was in .357 SIG or .40 S&W. Only 9mm, 7.62 parabellum, .38 super, and .45 ACP. How does a MK23 owner have the edge? The thing is too big and unwieldy, can't conceal carry it at all and would be slow to draw from a holster. Only has a larger round but only counts if you can actually shoot faster than your opponent. Another story I have is one cop had to draw and shoot someone drawing his gun, the cop fired and hit him with his .45 faster than the criminals 9mm yet the criminal still was able to complete the draw and shot and killed the cop then ran off and died later. Let me say again that the people this pistol is aimed at and issued by choice don't even like the MK23, the people that HAVE to use their weapons on a regular basis don't like it and they have experiance. Why do you want to carry it when you have no experiance? You obviously do get your preferances from video games because how else would you get your preferance of te MK23? Either that or you watch too many movies. What have you shot exactly and what do you own?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I have to back the little guy here, this isnt even about resident evil any more its just the pair of you dick measuring. I have no problem with 9mm but i love the Mk23, granted im a bigger guy and dont feel its 'too much gun' for me. I have no problems pulling and firing it at decent speed and accuracy, but remember its not about draw speed this isnt the wild west. Pistols are sidearms now, you wanna draw fast and double tap then take a colt SAA. If the kid prefers the Mk23 then dont just say its down to video games, the only game i know of where the MK23 is available is metal gear solid, and thats wank anyway. Personal preference is just that. Its down to the individual. Tho to remain un biased the desert eagle is in no way a combat pistol. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:The Mk 23 has been available in every Rainbow Six game since RS3(and maybe earlier, I forget), and a "high tech" version(where the laser pointer is also capable of shutting down lights and electronics at a distance) of the Mk 23 is Sam Fisher's sidearm in the Splinter Cell games. It's also been used in the SOCOM game series, which I suppose is an appropriate place for it. These are all pretty popular, big name shooter games. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 13:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Double tapping with a SAA, thats a new one. I'm 6'4 but theres a point when a gun is too big. Where else would someone get a preferance for a gun when he hasn't most likely held or fired one? Definatly not through reading up on a gun board about it where those experianced with fire arms reside. I have no problem with shooting a .45 but I prefer my 9mm because of how slim it is and the cost of ammo is much less. Theres a difference in preference and picking something with research, and without it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Yet again bub, personal preference, too big for you might be a good fit for someone else --[[Special:Contributions/86.166.15.114|86.166.15.114]] 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'll agree about preference, but remember it STARTED with him saying Carlos shoulda kept the Desert Eagles over a 9mm, with both FiveTwoSeven and myself disagreeing with him. It seems to me his bringing up other calibers(we didn't initiate that discussion) was him (successfully) trying to direct the conversation away from the original argument, that being the fact that the DE is not a combat handgun(which you agreed with as well), and would not and is not carried by any combat professional(which Carlos is supposed to be). [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 13:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
If he owns a MK23 than he can do as he wants and I don't care. If hes just read about it, watched it in movies, or used it in a video game than his decision is stupid. I have used many different kinds of guns and have decided on a 9mm Hi Power. My decision was through experiance, not armchair-commandoing.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Im british, ill never knock the hi power - Captain Snikt

I agree, the Desert Eagle is NOT a combat handgun, it's large, heavy, loud, very expensive, and not very reliable, but it has two pros: stopping-power and accuracy. The .50AE, 44 Magnum, and 357 Magnum almost guarantees a one-shot kill. In media, the only thing I've seen the Desert Eagle's ballistic damage realistically portrayed in so far is L4D2. Ballistic damage wise, it is the most realistic weapon in the game. I fully believe that the Desert Eagle in real life is capable of blowing off limbs and bursting heads like melons (in fact, even the 7.62X39mm round is known in real life to cause heads to explode!). Not that I'm praising it, I sill think it's not a good combat pistol, although it could be a very effective weapon in the right hands.

The MK23 SOCOM on the other hand, IS a combat handgun. Yes, the Navy Seals dislike it because it's large and heavy but I think it makes up for this with it's durability, reliability, accuracy, controllably, and it's 12 round magazine. I think that the pros far outweigh the "cons", how many other ,45 ACP handguns (besides maybe the SIG P220) can get 2 inch groupings at 50 meters right out of the box. Its long 5.9 inch, O-ring equipped barrel combined with it's recoil-reduction buffer (which keeps the muzzle-flip very minimal) is the reason why it's so accurate. I think the Special Forces need to suck it up, because size and weight shouldn't be an issue(unless excessive like the Desert Eagle) when it comes to a highly effective combat pistol. True, I've never held a SOCOM pistol but I doubt it's not nearly as "big a deal" as the Desert Eagle, which fits my hand just fine, and I'm just a skinny white guy that's 6 feet tall and weighs less than 180 lbs!

I'm 6'4 and 150lbs. While the MK23 may be a combat handgun, doesn't mean that its the best or good. Its a sidearm, not a main arm so why would you really want 2" groupings at 50 yards, that range you should be using your main arm. The closet I've come to a MK23 was a airsoft gun and its huge, there is no need for a SIDEARM to be that big. If the experts don't like it, than why do you?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:08, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Because it's a great sidearm. Size and weight IS not a factor to me when it comes to superb practicality. As I mentioned before, it is very durable, reliable, accurate, and controllable (because of its recoil-reduction buffer which keeps the muzzle-flip down which means it stays on target better). I also forgot to mention that it's also corrosion-resistant and can take P+ armor-piercing rounds. Whats wrong with a pistol that can hit a Tango through the eye at 50 meters with a suppressor. Isn't it better for
a weapon to exceed expectations than to just conform to them? I've known this stuff about the MK23 since I was 12, and I'm 20 now. Yes, it may not be the best handgun
EVER MADE and you may not like it, but you still can't deny that it's a great handgun.

If FiveTwoSeven would think back to the beginning of the conversation you will see that I never actually SAID that the IMI Desert Eagle was a combat handgun. You keep saying "it's not a combat handgun, it's not a combat handgun" but honestly I don't know why the hell you believe that's what I think.O_o Beats me where you got that from. And about the MK23's weight, no-one else seems to be complaining. You obviously think that the 9mm is best, well, i'm not going to destroy your delusions,
it's your loss. In reference to a previous comment, by "full-size assault rifle" i mean not a "Short Assaut Rifle", or SAR. Plenty of them exist. For example the Micro Galil, Colt Commando, and AK 74U. And yes, i have shot a full=size assault rifle. I'm in the Army Cadets and havefired the Steyr F88 AUG 5.56x45mm, both with blanks and live ammunition. And thank you to all the people on my side of the argument, good to see some people have the right idea.--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 08:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Is that all the experiance you have with actually shooting guns? Thats not enough to claim something is better. Why do you think the MK 23 is so good when the professionals hate it? Even though I dislike H&K, I wouldn't care if you liked the USP 45. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I have got to agree with Gunmaster 12. I own both a Browning 9mm and a MK23 and the MK23 is better by far. Sure it's heavier but I get way more accuracy with it than the Browning. Not to say that the Browning is not a good weapon.

Sign your posts. I disregard posts by anoms. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Just pointing out: That wasn't GM's original argument. He stated that the Desert Eagle was better than the USP. This eventually developed into whether the MK.23 or Browning Hi-Power were better.

Wasn't specific to the Hi Power, it was more of 9mm vs. 45acp at that point. How is firing a short assault rifle different or give you less experiance than a full size? It turned into a argument like that because I was defending the 9mm, its delusional to think that its weak.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The 9mm is not weak in itself, just compared to the .45 Auto. Thats the reason i said that the MK23 is better than the Browning because it has greater power to capacity RATIO. Add the superb accuracy and i think that it it better. Firing a Short Assault Rifle doesn't give you more experience, nor was that my point. I didn't say that i had more experience than FiveTwoSeven because of that difference. I guess i just made that classification because the original conversation was about handguns.--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 14:39, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

To FiveTwoSeven:thats fair enough i will sign this post, i just don't have an account--[[Special:Contributions/120.152.97.51|120.152.97.51]] 14:44, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

http://intrencik.com/357sig_files/Handgun_gel_comparison.jpg While .45acp is better to shoot someone with, it doesn't seem that much better. The biggest thing that gets me about this caliber war is the fact that alot of people believe that .45acp is the end all, instant-death-ray-gun. One thing that bothers me is your choice of gun. There are many other .45s that are better and hold more. The USP 45 holds the same but is more manageable with its smaller size. The Glock 21 holds 13 rounds of .45, the Springfield XD holds 13, and my favorite out of the high cap .45s, the FNH FNP 45. Holds 14 rounds of .45acp. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The USP45 Tactical is less accurate and probably only has a range of 25 meters as opposed to the SOCOM's 50 meters, and the other pistols you mentioned are not
worthy for military combat conditions. By the Skinny White Guy ;)

Better? For accuracy? Not even close. Those pistols that hold more, we're talking 1-2 rounds difference. It doesn't make them better.You put one in the chamber plusa full mag that's 13rds. And again it's personal preference. I happen to like the look of the MK23 better than others. No, I don't think that the .45ACP is a "end all, instant-death-ray-gun" But if you have two guys, and one gets hit by 9mm, the other gets hit with a .45, both at the same distance, same barrel length, same rifling, hell, same weapon frame, there is MORE chance that the .45 will take him out first shot. --[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 15:41, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks < Function. There are many people that own SIGs or any other good looking pistol yet carry a Glock. I personally find the MK23 ugly because of its large trigger guard. Plus it depends on who the better shot is more than capacity, gun, or cartridge. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:04, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

My take on the issue: it more personal preference than anything. Sure, the .45 may be slightly more powerful than the 9, but there is not a man alive who wants to be shot with either of them. 99% of it is determined by how well the shot is placed, and the skill of the shooter. A hit to the heart by either of them is effective. But, there is no handgun on Earth you can absolutely gaurantee will kill someone with one shot. I am a fan of a .45, but in skilled hands, either one is lethal. -SasquatchJim

Well said --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:34, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I do agree to a point --[[Special:Contributions/58.171.63.73|58.171.63.73]] 13:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

While I agree with FIVETWOSEVEN for the most part about the 9mm and all. I mean hell, my home defense gun is a Browning BDA380 even though I was ever so close to convincing my dad to get the tu-tone Glock 17 when it was on sale. Anyway, I will have to agree with Gunmaster12 that Carlos should have kept the DEs. Don't forget, these guys aren't fighting people who are shooting back but fighting zombies and everybody knows the best way to kill zombies is the shoot them in the head and with his DEs firing a massive .44 magnum, it should probably give Carlos at better chance and blowing off the head than with a 9mm. Just my 2 cents. --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 00:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with you there, PotShot. The 9mm will normally be easier to control than the .44 magnum. Therefore, 9mms will allow him to have faster follow-up shots and more accurate fire. While I've never fired a Desert Eagle .44, I've shot enough 9mm to know that it's powerful enough to pierce the skull, yet recoil is soft enough for accurate fire. Also, 9mm is more common, allowing you to have more available in something like that. BTW, I'm a member of the zombie-survival forum the ZSDW. Look me up on there. -SasquatchJim
*Note: I came across as sounding like the .44 was terrible. I didn't mean to sound that way. I like the .44; but it seems like in a situation where headshots are required, a lighter-recoiling rounds is better.
:Now that I think about it, that does make more sense. I've never fired or even held a DE before(almost nobody sells them in my area) so I have no idea how heavy it is. This brings up another question, if LJ still had a DE and ammo, did Carlos simply lose his desert eagles or what as he and LJ could have pooled the ammo since their DEs are the same caliber.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 02:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

.44 ammo is bulky, plain and simple. Meaning its heavier, and you can haul around less of it. The capacity is also a issue, which is ultimatly why I'm not a huge fan of any DE. It's heavy, has a decent kick, the ammo is heavy, and it barely holds any rounds. While a person with a DE might leave a bigger hole, the person with the 9mm will still be shooting when the other person has to reload. And if by some miracle you can hit their brain every shot, the round doesn't matter. You need to hit their brain, not blow their head off. Meaning overall: 8 tries, or 15? Your choice. Don't get me wrong, if you feel safe with the .44 and are used to it, by all means, use it. It's just not the almighty gift from Gun Jeebus.
-Hell_raiser101, fellow member of the ZSDW.

I gotta jump back in here, I hate anything dual weilding desert eagles. I know res e is hardly realism at its pinnacle but that was just a lil too stupid, the USP's are the smarter choice and this is from a guy who does love the mk23, chunky trigger guard n all. But since we still ae on zombies and 45 auto if you wanna see this done right watch dawn of the dead (the remake). Most of you probably have to be fair, but for the final showdown most of the survivors pack glock 21's (even tho they only have the post ban 10 round mags). Probably the smartest choice for the occasion, nice chuncky 45 round, half decent mag cap, light durable and easy to use, glocks might not win any beauty pagents but damn they make for a good peice - Captain Snikt

Respect to Cap'n Snikt, but you don't have to diss a weapon just because of it's TRIGGER GUARD. wtf that's not much of an issue on any weapon's accuracy or stopping power--[[Special:Contributions/58.171.63.73|58.171.63.73]] 13:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I like how that guy's name is "Gunmaster," but he doesnt know that much about guns, or from what I've heard, anything. The Desert Eagle is just as bad as any one of these smart guys will say. I know from personal experience that the 9x19mm is a fine round, I personally don't trust it for my home defense, for that I have the pistol that has never failed me, my 1911. Like many people have said, its not so much caliber, as shot placement. This is very true. Look at the AR-15 compared to an AK47, AR has a smaller round (by far)but is much more accurate. That right there is the key. Your firearm must be accurate, but so must you be. Just because you have a .50 Caliber Action Express, doesn't mean you're ready to start WWIII. Of course I still prefer the .45 ACP, but if you're good, a 9x19mm will do the trick... thats my 2 cents anyway --[[PunisherDave]]

Thats how I see it when it comes to 9mm vs. .45acp, personal preference, but its always helpful to have good arguments to back it up.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:16, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I do not own or have fired any guns, but i have a little opinion about this matter. The fact that carlos changed to USP´s isn´t bad. The bad thing is that the guns appear to be compact ones. Giving a shorter barell and worse accuracy. I personally think that the .357 Desert Eagle is a decent gun. A relatively big pistol caliber, not so bad capacity (9) and as far as I know, good stopping power. Not to be used in military, or in any regular combat situation. But when it comes to Resident Evil world, I´d rather prefer dual AA12´s to be shure I killed those things. This movies aren´t about the most reasonable gun to have. This is for the most overkilling badass scenario possible. I mean, if it wouln´t be so expensive, they´d had used samurai edges as their sidearms.
But I think Alice´s pistols were a good choice.Thanks for your time reading my opinion ;)-thebarry1394
:I'm pretty sure that those are standard USPs, they probably look like compacts from the angle of the shot when the screenshot was taken. Dual AA-12's? I don't think that is such a great idea, if you really want to make sure they are dead (even though they are already dead), I would just shoot it again. Isn't Zombieland's rule #4 doubletap? --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 02:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
: How about finding a minigun and holdw down the trigger while sweeping it left and right over and over again? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Dual AA12s? Great, the MW2 kids found this site. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

FiveTwoSeven, I respect your argument but I still hold my place. The MK23 is a good gun, .45ACP is a good calibre, the Desert Eagle isn't a combat handgun (nor did I ever say it was) but for the requirements of the movie, (which will be watched by more people who know nothing about guns than those who do), I think that Carlos should have kept the Desert Eagles in Extinction. Not because the weapon is a better choice in real life, but because they have more of a cinematic presence than the HK USP Compact. When people see him blasting away at zombies in Vegas with USPs, they think "meh". But when they see him rappeling from a helicopter shooting the big, loud, scary Deagles, they think "Wow!"--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 13:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

And I've got to agree with FiveTwoSeven. Dual AA-12s? you would either have to hold them on different levels or set the up for left/right hand operation to stop the shells from ejecting from one gun, ricocheting off the other and hitting you in the face. Its not so much of a problem with handguns, but with any rifles/shotguns it would be a big problem. Apart from all those potential problems, the aiming would suffer REALLY badly, even with the spread shotguns have. You would chew through ammo like crazy too.(Ditto for minigun) sorry, but you probably couldn't get much worse than that in real life, but it would look good in a movie, as the Desert Eagle does.
To the Barry1394: "the most overkilling badass senario possible" my point exacty. People who watch the movie want thrills. 9mm USPs don't have anything "wrong" with them but Desert Eagles are "badass" and have good looks, and noise.--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 13:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

To FiveTwoSeven: Respect man. You came up with some excellent points during the debate. Good on ya. Gunmaster12 signing out--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 13:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Good point, GM. The directors chose them because people think they look cool. Similar to Alice's dual EVERYTHING in RE Apocalypse (and, from the looks of it, Afterlife.) -SasquatchJim

The way movies go, big guns = entertainment so I would agree.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

and we all lived happily ever after - Captain Snikt

I agree, the USP9s make more sense in real life, but Desert Eagles work better for Cinema. ;) Their aren't many Action movies out their that the Desert Eagle doesn't at lest appear in. As for Carlos not having his Desert Eagles this movie. Remember at end of Apocalypse, when they were all captured. They had all they're weapons taken away, when they got free, LJ probably grabbed one of his Desert Eagles. That probably explains why in this movie LJ only has one Desert Eagle and and why Carlos now uses the USP9s. by the Skinny White Guy again. ;)
:Where does this "DEs work better for cinema" stuff come from? Am I the only guy who doesn't just automatically associate "big" with "cool" when I watch movies? I mean shit, personally, I'd rather watch my action heroes wielding a USP or a Sig or M1911 than watch them look like douches with overly big guns trying to compensate for, ahem, smaller guns elsewhere(so deservingly mocked in Shoot Em Up I might add). [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 18:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree with you, we ment that the "masses" like the big guns in movies. Personally I like the Desert Eagle but I whould rather use other pistols for fighting like USPs, 1911s, 92FSs, SIGs, or Glocks. ;)

*@SkinnyWhiteGuy: He didn't take Carlos' DE. LJ's is one of the gold-plated ones he had back in Apocalypse. Carlos' were black.

I ment LJ's DE, I said LJ probably grabbed one of HIS Desert Eagles. -_- sorry, I guess I worded it badly. Carlos probably did not grab his own DEs, that's why he does not have them in Extinction.

*DKS01: I would too. That's one reason why I liked both Dawn of the Deads; the guns used were actual things people could come across, not "movie guns." However, the general public thinks differently. They want the biggest, most powerful weapons they can find. Case in point, the AA12. -SasquatchJim

I personally do prefer seeing guns that make sense but the general public is much different. Why do you think Collateral is one of my favorite movies yet wasn't that popular? Most of the people nowadays aren't to bright in my observations so big = good to them.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree 100%, 527. What are some other movies that actually use realistic guns? I already mentioned DOTD-SasquatchJim.

I too agree, and Collateral is one of my favorite movies too. ^_^ the SkinnyWhiteGuy

I don´t want to start a blog discussion here (but since we all did...) but why when someone talks about dual wielding guns that person must have taken that idea from Call of Duty Modern Warefare 2?
I mean, good game (as far as I know, because I haven´t played it), but it hasn´t invented the dual thing. I think it became famous with John Woo films (I don´t know if I wrote his namme correctly). Why do you FIVETWOSEVEN think Im a kid, and I am a MW2 fan. Dude, you are triying to degradate every person that has a different point of view. Correct me if Im wrong, but that´s what I can see.
PD: I know Im not so good writing in english, but, c´mon, the only thing you could understood was "dual wielding AA12´s"?
Well, at least, I could give my opinion again. And triying to end this discussion, it´s a fictional movie, there are zombies, and monster, and super powers, and you care about the gun choise?-Thebarry1394

The reason why is because that sounds like something a MW2 obssesed person would say. Its retarded to dual wield shotguns like a AA 12 because of how big they are. I am not trying to insult people for their choices unless its a bad choice. It was the combination of AA12 and dual wielding that just screams MW2 nerd.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Haha, the aa12 was the first powerfull auto gun that came across my mind that time. Nevermind. And as a principle, I don´t take gun preferences from video games. That´s just stupid and unethical to post in such a proffesional comunity (I mean, the page´s contributors have taken the imfdb job really serious, to me its an insult to take game preferences in here)
[and i tought about the aa12 becouse of the frag 12 (saw that in future weapons) because it would help to kill most of the RE monsters ;)]Thanks for your comments and respect to all the other contributors (the 9mm tactical facts will help me in a novel I´m writting)-thebarry1394

Just to be fair, on the dicussion page for Resident Evil Afterlife, there WAS a guy who thought MW2 basically created dual-weilding. That's something we had in our minds. I see what you mean, though, Barry. You weren't trying to make a point specifically for dual AA12s.-SasquatchJim

@FiveTwoSeven: Glad to see you see my point. Thats the main reason I said Carlos should have kept the Deagles, the calibre thing was a side-point.So no hard feelings. (I kind of feel sorry for Oded Fehr, I would love to see the look on his face if he saw this debate) hahaha :P--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 04:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

:From what I've read, I don't think anyone was dissing Oded Fehr. He was awesome in this movie, especially in his final moments in which he was quite epic. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:54, 24 April 2011 (CDT)

So he should switch from a handgun that has better controllable recoil, higher magazine capacity, and not oversized, for something over powered, way too fucking big, half the magazine capacity, and the recoil could possibly snap his wrist if fired one handed, when he's fighting enemies that only die from headshots, so fire power is a little factor, and higher capacity matters because zombies could gang up on him while reloading? great logic...bigger guns and bigger bullets don't mean better guns and better bullets, the desert eagle is nothing more then an overlarge piece of junk that's only featured in horrendously lame action movies because they want the "hero" to look cool. bottom line, when fighting enemies that require headshots to drop before they gang up on you, a 15+1 round handgun beats the hell out of a 7+1 round bulky piece of metal trash.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 17:57, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

As has been pointed out, it's been five years since the events of Apocalypse, so the logical conclusion is that Carlos simply ran dry of ammo for the DEs before he could find more, hence he took to carrying pistols that he had access to ammunition for. It's a gun vs no gun situation. And being that RE zombies die with a single round to the brain, caliber is indeed a moot point here. So in respect to that, magazine capacity becomes of higher importance than the size of your bullet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:29, 3 February 2012 (CST)

If it's not too late to get in the argument then I'd like to suggest a point as to why a nine mm pistol might be better for use as a combat firearm than a Desert Eagle - it's all about the extra capacity giving the shooter more chances to hit their target. A .50 bullet may cause more damage to the target but with a Desert Eagle you only get about seven chances to make a killshot. Many nine mm pistols have more than twice that number. If I ever had take a pistol with me into combat (unlikely), then I'd definitely want the larger capacity that comes with a smaller round. [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 16:29, 26 March 2013 (EDT)

== Alice's 1911's ==

Are we sure that those are ParaOrd LDAs? Because honestly, I don't think they are. They don't have the grooves (The correct word escapes me at the moment) on the slide, which are the biggest indicators of LDAs, so if she doesn't have them on hers, they're either using different slides, or aren't LDAs at all. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Serrations. And you're right, they are absent, aren't they. Nite-Tacs, maybe?--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 04:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Not all LDA's have the front serrations...the nite-Tac is a LDA without them.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:I just said Nite-Tacs.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
...okay...I was informing Acora that not all LDA's have that feature...the nite-tac being one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks to both of you, then. I'm not extremely familiar with ParaOrds, so I wasn't sure. But after looking up the Nite Tac, I'd have to agree that that's probably what they are. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 19:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Lever rifle ==

I just watched the movie again and discovered one of the crazy survivors is using a lever action rifle can anybody identify it?

The lever action looked like a winchester 1894 model [[User:Balin21|Balin21]] 14:40, 19 January 19, 2012

== Umbrella Computer Guy's Glock ==

I think that was a continuity error. I just watched it last night and when he drew it, it looked like a G26 with a flat floor-plate 10-round magazine, but when he dropped it, it turned into a full size G17 (they possibly reused Clare's Glock 17). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:04, 24 April 2011 (CDT)

== Nurse Betty Pistol ==

I just watched the movie again and discovered that Nurse Betty Carried a Semi Auto pistol can anyone identify it?-[[User:Balin21|Balin21]]
[[Image:Betty_1.jpg|thumb|none|640px]]

I'm not sure what it is exactly but it looks like it has the safety on the slide, so possibly some Smith and Wesson variant?[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 16:12, 31 January 2012 (CST)

Maybe this image will help better.
[[Image:Nurse-Betty-s-Watch.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]

I capped a bigger version of the first part of the above picture, definitely a Smith & Wesson number series gun, probably 5900 series, looks like a 5946. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] 19:43, 31 January 2012 (CST)
[[Image:RE Extinction Smith.JPG|thumb|500px|Smith & Wesson automatic|left]]
[[Image:S&W5946.jpg|frame|S&W 5946|left]]

Talk:Resident Evil: Extinction

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==IMI Uzi==
While she doesn't use them in the film, Alice is seen holding two full-size [[Uzi|IMI Uzi]]s in the theatrical movie poster.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]
[[Image:REEUzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

== I'll take the job ==

No one's been bothering with this, so I've decided to take it up.

Hasn't anybody noticed the shotgun in Mikey's van? When the crows fly past his sensors, the alarm sounds, he wakes up and hits his head, then as he gets up you can clearly see a shotgun hanging on the ceiling of the van. At first I thought it was a Benelli semi-automatic but after I looked at it a few times I could see it was pump-action for sure. It has a pistol grip/rifle stock, and an extended magazine. I hope someone finds out what it is. (Gunmaster12)

What Im thinking it might be a Benelli M3 or probably a modified shotgun or something.
Im like, f**king confused and its annoying me... (Demonslayer43)

== Revolvers ==

I've seen a couple revolvers, but haven't gotten any good shots of them.

== L85A1 ==
I can't help but wonder where a cowboy driving around in the Nevada desert would come upon a British army rifle... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Maybe, for the sake of the story, he encountered British troops in the US and took it from a dead body, or got it from a guy who happens to have it, or it was HIS and he somehow aquired it. Who knows. I mean where does Alice get the ammo for her guns anyway? How did Carlos lose his Tavor? Just try not to ask the question for the sake of asking [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

::Alice's ammo: Probably the same place everyone else does, from raiding small towns. Carlos' Tavor: The Tavor wasn't Carlos', it was Yuri's and he probably abandoned it in Raccoon City when he ran out of ammo. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:54, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Yuri and Nikolai had TARs, Carlos had a Galil. Carlos also had Desert Eagles, so it seems the Israeli weapons industry armed the whole team... [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 15:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Its one thing I wondered when I first saw this article, would be fun if we could get these rifles here in the US but Britian is anti gun so they wouldn't want to help us arm ourselves. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

You really wouldn't want one, I seved with one, and it jammed up on me 3 times in 2 mags - Captain Snikt

Must be the oldies, the new ones worked fine. Only ever had 1 jam. But, I agree you wouldn't want one, stick to your M4 and M16.
But, back to the topic of how an L85 can end up in Yanke land - a company (Prexis?) sells something called the PR85a1 in parts of the USA. It looks like an A1, but isn't. It only works in semi-automatic. Effectivly, it is an L98'''A2''' cadet rifle, but with the externals of an L85A1 (the A2, made by HK in 2009, is capable of semi-automatic, unlike the bolt action A1 cadet rifle). From what I've been told, its almost impossible to mod it to fire on fully auto or bust. It costs quite a bit too, a few grand (£).

Late to this convo, but the question came to my mind too. I mean yeah, the characters are carrying whatever they happened to loot/come across, and I accept that, but still, the odds of coming across an L85 in the US rather than a weapon actually used by some branch of the US military/law enforcement, or even a weapon that's reasonably easy to acquire by civilians in the US has GOT to be slim. Realistically, as far as assault rifles go, an M4, or M16, or a G36, or even an AUG(which is at least used by Customs) would be a lot more likely to be found laying around waiting to be looted than an L85. Then again, "realism" and "Resident Evil movie" should probably never be brought up in the same topic anyways, so I suppose the point is moot. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 14:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

::Rule of cool my friend, rule of cool. That and its so...'exotic'. You barely see them in films set in the UK, or with UK forces (because - how many are there?) so to see one in the US makes it extra special. Then again - perhaps he owns it - as the above guy said, a company in the USA does sell a semi-automatic L85 clone.
:::Ok, I want to know which company is that? Cause I kinda like the L85 rifle, though I like the AUG more. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, the guy said the one sold in the US is "almost impossible to mod it to fire on fully auto" too, so still, the cowboy just happens to be/find one of the what, 100 people in the US who had one of those rifles(the company that makes them is indeed Prexis, it's called the PL-85, and it costs $2900 on their website) AND happens to also able to convert it/find one already converted to full auto? Seems you'd be more likely to find some Modern Warfare kid who was machining his own AKs in his mom's basement than find a PL-85. So yeah, I'd say rule of cool indeed wins out. Oh well, it's always fun to find off the wall firearm choices in movies, regardless of whether or not the weapon realistically would be the one used. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 04:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

::::really late to this, but wouldn't it be possible for the character to have purchased the gun illegally before the outbreaks started?
:::::Theoretically, yes. Realistically...how easy do you think it is to get an illegal L85 on the black market? Handguns, pump shotguns, various rifles, yeah, stuff like M16s, M4s, MP5s, G36s...stuff that could be "misplaced"/stolen from a US Law Enforcement or military force, and make it's way onto the black market, sure. Things like AKs and Uzis that have been smuggled into the country illegally for years, yeah wouldn't be too hard to get them either, if you had the cash and knew the right people. But how many L85s, even illegals, do you think are floating around out there(especially being that it's not a prolific gun to begin with, not like AK and AR style weapons which are used, sold, and/or cloned all over the world by dozens of countries, and have a lot of possible sources for arms dealers to acquire them at)? Would *really* take some effort to get one of those, I'd think. But yes, it is, theoretically, possible, we never said it was impossible he'd have one, just extremely unlikely. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 09:24, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

Maybe the convoy raided an abandoned special forces base / facility? I know that the British SAS keep examples of loads of foreign firearms in their armouries for familiarity training or deniable, clandestine operations - it's not much of a stretch to imagine US special forces troops doing the same [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 16:07, 26 March 2013 (EDT)

== Took out the crossbow ==

The reason why I took out the crossbow is for obvious reasons, it's NOT a firearm in any sense of the word. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
It launches a projectile, though.-protoAuthor
:Lots of articles on this site (''[[The Punisher]]'', the ''Rambo'' series) feature bows and other weapons that are not technically firearms. The rule of thumb seems to be if a mechanically powered projectile weapon appears in a film with lots of actual firearms, said weapon can be either included or omitted at the discretion of the author.

== Unknown Revolver ==
Chase ([[Linden Ashby]]) uses an unknown revolver to kill a zombie on the Eiffel Tower.
: I'm pretty sure that it was a Colt 1873 SAA or something similar.
::It was double action I believe. It is seen for only a split section, so I couldn't ID it myself when I watched it on TV recently. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Looked like a schofield style revolver, probably 7.5" barrel. If you watch closely he appears to cock it for each shot. Look carefully when hes on the tower and fighting off the zombie, he reaches for a blued revolver with a wood handle that looks a lot like a russian or beretta laramie schofield revolver. Just my 2cents
::::There's an ejector shroud and if you look close enough, you can see the hinge for the cylinder. In my honest opinion it's either a S&W model 28 or a Model 29. Linden Ashby is a big man, Judging by the size of the gun and his size, it'd be a .44 magnum Model 29.

[[Image:REE 049.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Mossberg 464==
'''[moved from main page]''' --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

did anyone else notice she was loading it with what looked like 45ACP ammo??
-Could be chambered in the similar 45LC, Winchester 94's come in that caliber too.

==Revolver==

What revolver is this insane survivor using ?

[[Image:REELDA2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An insane survivor holds Alice's LDA, the other one has a revolver.]]

== K-Mart used the Winchester ==

Hey how come the character K-Mart (Spencer Locke) hasn't got a page? In this movie (Resident Evil: Extinction), she uses the Winchester Model 1300 12Gauge but it isn't mentioned. It happened during the Super-Undead Zombie attack, zombies come out of the container, she runs away, gets into the truck with L.J., thena zombie comes and tries to get in. She gets the shotgun, yells at L.J. "Get down!", pumps the weapon, thenshoots the zombie in the head. She deserves the recognition for it. After all, the character is supposed to be 14 years old.

She has a page, but to be honest, I don't think she needs one, as she's only used one gun in one movie, kind of a waste of space until she gets some more notches in her belt. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 21:56, 16 April 2011 (CDT)

==Carlos's handguns==

Didnt Carlos use Dual Desert Eagles in Apocolypes? But i guess being 5 years since the movies have gone by hes gotten new ones... wierd...
(Demonslayer43)

I think he should have kept the IMI Desert Eagles .50AEs. They beat HK USP 9mms any day....:( --[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 13:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Only when your out of 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:FiveTwoSeven is right on the money. Desert Eagles might beat 9mm if you're hunting rhinos or grizzly bears or something, but otherwise, they're a bulky, heavy, oversized gun firing unnecessarily big bullets. Hate to tell you man, but the real world doesn't work like Call of Duty, there's NO real world military or police force that carries the DE, while there are tons carrying 9mm pistols. And there's a reason for that. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

The Desert Eagle may be over-powered, but the 9mm is definatly under-powered. You could hit an enemy 4-5 times and not take them out, but with the Desert Eagle you only need 1 shot. And please don't tell me your a "9mm all the way", because there are more calibres that are better than the 9mm than there are worse, by far. (.41AE, 10mm Auto, 9x21mmIMI, and of course .45 ACP, plus all the magnums .357 and .44 are better by my books.)And no, i don't think the world works like COD4, because i have found more mistakes with the firearms than you could ever imagine. Ditto for MW2. I wish i had had a say in the making of the games, i would have changed a lot. sorry if i caused offence.--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 04:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I take it that you come from video games and know little about real guns. 9mm is perfectly fine for anything related to personal defence. One very well known writer that also lives in my home state New Hampshire, Massod Ayoob, is a retired police officer. He is VERY experianced with guns and in fact "gunfighting" aswell. He has actually been in real gun fights. He writes alot about gun fights where someone had to draw their weapon. He is by definition a true expert on guns. He packs a 9mm daily. Would he if it took several rounds to do what one round of .45 could do? No he wouldn't. There has been one account of someone that was shot 4 times with a .45 and walked out of the hospital a few hours later and many other accounts where someone was shot once with a 9mm and was dead before he hit the ground. One gun high as a kite on meth was shot 6 times with a .41 magnum and kept fighting and took getting run over the the LEO's partner with the cruiser and he was still trying to fight even with the vehicle over him .41 AE is a near obsolete round, 9x21 is extremely uncommon, and 10mm is uncommon to a point. The desert eagle is NOT a fighting handgun, way to big and unwieldy. Also putting trust into a large round to stop someone kinda says that you don't trust your self to hit him somewhere vital and you hope that he drops dead. Getting hit once with a .50 AE doesn't garentee a one shot stop. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Everything the above guy said is dead on the money. And anyway Gunmaster, if the DE is so much better than a 9mm handgun, I'll reiterate-why do NO military or law enforcement agencies in the world carry them, yet many still carry 9mm weapons? Even units who have the freedom to choose their own sidearms do not carry Desert Eagles, why do you think that is? Sure, you can argue that 9mm isn't the best round in the world and that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that a 9mm handgun is STILL better for combat use than a DE, unless your definition of "combat" includes shootouts with elephants or something. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 08:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay for starters don't get worked up, I'm not trying to start a 9mm/other calibres war.....
And no, I didn't get anything know about guns from video games. I have just always had an interest in firearms for the last 8 years of my life, since age 8 all the while I've simply been gathering information through good old books. I can promise you that you'd be surprised. No shit, you ask me a question about any weapons specifications I can answer it. Without Google.
Now, the 9x19mm Luger Parabellum round has many advantages, such as ammunition capacity, but it is seriously lacking in power, fair and square.
But as a military calibre, things such as capacity may be an issue. Take the Colt M1911 .45 ACP (11.43x23mm) pistol. The .45 round is the optimal military calibre in terms of power, but that particular weapon takes only 7 rounds. Most weapons in that calibre can't take high amounts of ammunition, and at the time of the XM9 handgun trials Beretta and SIG-Sauer took the spotlight, ruining the chances of weapons like the Spanish Star "Megastar" .45ACP, and the HK MK 23 MOD 0 SOCOM .45ACP. Those ones can take 12 rounds of ammunition. And my definition of combat includes circumstances that can never be forseen. Thus you must always be prepared. If I was put on the battlefield with one handgun of my choice it would definatly and without a doubt be a Hecklar & Koch Mark 23 Model 0 .45.Comparativly puny Glock 17s, Berreta M92-SB-Fs, and USP-9s wouldn't come close. But don't get me wrong, 9mms have their time and place. It can sometimes come down to personal preference; mine just doesn't run to the 9mm Parabellum round. One more thing, my views on the 9mm are much different when your talking sub-machine guns. I would never diss the HK MP5, it's variants, the IMI Uzi, it's variants, and definatly not the Steyr AUG Para SMG.
About the Desert Eagle not being in service anywhere, it's obvious the NATO countries would look to their own country's weapons before adopting an Israeli weapon, and after the Glock started getting used by "over 65% of the world's military and police forces" as they claim, Israel decided to as well. Anyway I respect your argument but I hope you can also respect mine --[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 15:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Isreal wasn't using the Desert Eagle BEFORE they adopted the Glock. People don't carry it because it's NOT A COMBAT HANDGUN. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 21:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Seeing how you like the MK23 it definatly shows where you come from. If you were to hang around a non HK-biased gun board like TheHighRoad.org, you would know that its a huge over priced pistol. The Desert Eagle is FAR FROM A COMBAT PISTOL PERIOD. Not even the country that made it issues it. <-------- Read that. Judging by your weapon choices I see that you come from Rainbow 6 Vegas, not real life. Although FMJ 9mm isn't the best I know that but when you can have hollow points its perfectly fine. If I were to fight in a official Military force I would carry either a SIG Sauer P220, FNP 45 or I would still pack my 9mm Hi Power. The MK23 is one of the SOCOM issue weapons yet it is rarely carried, why you may ask? Because its do big and unwieldy. The Navy SEALs have choosen the 9mm P226 over a .40 or a .45 because its shot placement. By the time you lug your MK23 or Desert Eagle out of the holster I would have already draw and double tapped you with my Hi Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, let's get something straight. I DO NOT GET MY WEAPON KNOWLAGE OR PREFERENCES FROM VIDEO GAMES. I've never played rainbow 6. i will say this though, good on you for your choice of the SIG-Sauer, best quality gun brand i think. I'm not HK-biased, i just know that in a firefight between a 12 round .45 MK 23 and say as you said a 13 round 9mm Browning, the Mk 23 owner would have the edge. And about the SIG having better shot placement...you can get the P220 in .45, .357SIG, and .40 S&W...all of these would be better than the 9mm version except for capacity. And just one more thing.....have you ever fired a full size assault rifle in real life, not COD4? Just curious--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 18:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:You know the people the Mk 23 was designed for don't use it, right? If it was such an awesome gun, why do even THEY not carry it? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 21:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Full size assault rifle? I didn't know there were small and mediun sizes. I haven't fired a full auto assault rifle yet but I've fired plenty of AR-15s and AK 47s a M1A, I even got a AR 15 of my own. The only full auto I've fired was a M60 when I was young. The SIG P220 only comes in .45 now, never was in .357 SIG or .40 S&W. Only 9mm, 7.62 parabellum, .38 super, and .45 ACP. How does a MK23 owner have the edge? The thing is too big and unwieldy, can't conceal carry it at all and would be slow to draw from a holster. Only has a larger round but only counts if you can actually shoot faster than your opponent. Another story I have is one cop had to draw and shoot someone drawing his gun, the cop fired and hit him with his .45 faster than the criminals 9mm yet the criminal still was able to complete the draw and shot and killed the cop then ran off and died later. Let me say again that the people this pistol is aimed at and issued by choice don't even like the MK23, the people that HAVE to use their weapons on a regular basis don't like it and they have experiance. Why do you want to carry it when you have no experiance? You obviously do get your preferances from video games because how else would you get your preferance of te MK23? Either that or you watch too many movies. What have you shot exactly and what do you own?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I have to back the little guy here, this isnt even about resident evil any more its just the pair of you dick measuring. I have no problem with 9mm but i love the Mk23, granted im a bigger guy and dont feel its 'too much gun' for me. I have no problems pulling and firing it at decent speed and accuracy, but remember its not about draw speed this isnt the wild west. Pistols are sidearms now, you wanna draw fast and double tap then take a colt SAA. If the kid prefers the Mk23 then dont just say its down to video games, the only game i know of where the MK23 is available is metal gear solid, and thats wank anyway. Personal preference is just that. Its down to the individual. Tho to remain un biased the desert eagle is in no way a combat pistol. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:The Mk 23 has been available in every Rainbow Six game since RS3(and maybe earlier, I forget), and a "high tech" version(where the laser pointer is also capable of shutting down lights and electronics at a distance) of the Mk 23 is Sam Fisher's sidearm in the Splinter Cell games. It's also been used in the SOCOM game series, which I suppose is an appropriate place for it. These are all pretty popular, big name shooter games. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 13:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Double tapping with a SAA, thats a new one. I'm 6'4 but theres a point when a gun is too big. Where else would someone get a preferance for a gun when he hasn't most likely held or fired one? Definatly not through reading up on a gun board about it where those experianced with fire arms reside. I have no problem with shooting a .45 but I prefer my 9mm because of how slim it is and the cost of ammo is much less. Theres a difference in preference and picking something with research, and without it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Yet again bub, personal preference, too big for you might be a good fit for someone else --[[Special:Contributions/86.166.15.114|86.166.15.114]] 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'll agree about preference, but remember it STARTED with him saying Carlos shoulda kept the Desert Eagles over a 9mm, with both FiveTwoSeven and myself disagreeing with him. It seems to me his bringing up other calibers(we didn't initiate that discussion) was him (successfully) trying to direct the conversation away from the original argument, that being the fact that the DE is not a combat handgun(which you agreed with as well), and would not and is not carried by any combat professional(which Carlos is supposed to be). [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 13:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
If he owns a MK23 than he can do as he wants and I don't care. If hes just read about it, watched it in movies, or used it in a video game than his decision is stupid. I have used many different kinds of guns and have decided on a 9mm Hi Power. My decision was through experiance, not armchair-commandoing.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Im british, ill never knock the hi power - Captain Snikt

I agree, the Desert Eagle is NOT a combat handgun, it's large, heavy, loud, very expensive, and not very reliable, but it has two pros: stopping-power and accuracy. The .50AE, 44 Magnum, and 357 Magnum almost guarantees a one-shot kill. In media, the only thing I've seen the Desert Eagle's ballistic damage realistically portrayed in so far is L4D2. Ballistic damage wise, it is the most realistic weapon in the game. I fully believe that the Desert Eagle in real life is capable of blowing off limbs and bursting heads like melons (in fact, even the 7.62X39mm round is known in real life to cause heads to explode!). Not that I'm praising it, I sill think it's not a good combat pistol, although it could be a very effective weapon in the right hands.

The MK23 SOCOM on the other hand, IS a combat handgun. Yes, the Navy Seals dislike it because it's large and heavy but I think it makes up for this with it's durability, reliability, accuracy, controllably, and it's 12 round magazine. I think that the pros far outweigh the "cons", how many other ,45 ACP handguns (besides maybe the SIG P220) can get 2 inch groupings at 50 meters right out of the box. Its long 5.9 inch, O-ring equipped barrel combined with it's recoil-reduction buffer (which keeps the muzzle-flip very minimal) is the reason why it's so accurate. I think the Special Forces need to suck it up, because size and weight shouldn't be an issue(unless excessive like the Desert Eagle) when it comes to a highly effective combat pistol. True, I've never held a SOCOM pistol but I doubt it's not nearly as "big a deal" as the Desert Eagle, which fits my hand just fine, and I'm just a skinny white guy that's 6 feet tall and weighs less than 180 lbs!

I'm 6'4 and 150lbs. While the MK23 may be a combat handgun, doesn't mean that its the best or good. Its a sidearm, not a main arm so why would you really want 2" groupings at 50 yards, that range you should be using your main arm. The closet I've come to a MK23 was a airsoft gun and its huge, there is no need for a SIDEARM to be that big. If the experts don't like it, than why do you?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:08, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Because it's a great sidearm. Size and weight IS not a factor to me when it comes to superb practicality. As I mentioned before, it is very durable, reliable, accurate, and controllable (because of its recoil-reduction buffer which keeps the muzzle-flip down which means it stays on target better). I also forgot to mention that it's also corrosion-resistant and can take P+ armor-piercing rounds. Whats wrong with a pistol that can hit a Tango through the eye at 50 meters with a suppressor. Isn't it better for
a weapon to exceed expectations than to just conform to them? I've known this stuff about the MK23 since I was 12, and I'm 20 now. Yes, it may not be the best handgun
EVER MADE and you may not like it, but you still can't deny that it's a great handgun.

If FiveTwoSeven would think back to the beginning of the conversation you will see that I never actually SAID that the IMI Desert Eagle was a combat handgun. You keep saying "it's not a combat handgun, it's not a combat handgun" but honestly I don't know why the hell you believe that's what I think.O_o Beats me where you got that from. And about the MK23's weight, no-one else seems to be complaining. You obviously think that the 9mm is best, well, i'm not going to destroy your delusions,
it's your loss. In reference to a previous comment, by "full-size assault rifle" i mean not a "Short Assaut Rifle", or SAR. Plenty of them exist. For example the Micro Galil, Colt Commando, and AK 74U. And yes, i have shot a full=size assault rifle. I'm in the Army Cadets and havefired the Steyr F88 AUG 5.56x45mm, both with blanks and live ammunition. And thank you to all the people on my side of the argument, good to see some people have the right idea.--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 08:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Is that all the experiance you have with actually shooting guns? Thats not enough to claim something is better. Why do you think the MK 23 is so good when the professionals hate it? Even though I dislike H&K, I wouldn't care if you liked the USP 45. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I have got to agree with Gunmaster 12. I own both a Browning 9mm and a MK23 and the MK23 is better by far. Sure it's heavier but I get way more accuracy with it than the Browning. Not to say that the Browning is not a good weapon.

Sign your posts. I disregard posts by anoms. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Just pointing out: That wasn't GM's original argument. He stated that the Desert Eagle was better than the USP. This eventually developed into whether the MK.23 or Browning Hi-Power were better.

Wasn't specific to the Hi Power, it was more of 9mm vs. 45acp at that point. How is firing a short assault rifle different or give you less experiance than a full size? It turned into a argument like that because I was defending the 9mm, its delusional to think that its weak.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The 9mm is not weak in itself, just compared to the .45 Auto. Thats the reason i said that the MK23 is better than the Browning because it has greater power to capacity RATIO. Add the superb accuracy and i think that it it better. Firing a Short Assault Rifle doesn't give you more experience, nor was that my point. I didn't say that i had more experience than FiveTwoSeven because of that difference. I guess i just made that classification because the original conversation was about handguns.--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 14:39, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

To FiveTwoSeven:thats fair enough i will sign this post, i just don't have an account--[[Special:Contributions/120.152.97.51|120.152.97.51]] 14:44, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

http://intrencik.com/357sig_files/Handgun_gel_comparison.jpg While .45acp is better to shoot someone with, it doesn't seem that much better. The biggest thing that gets me about this caliber war is the fact that alot of people believe that .45acp is the end all, instant-death-ray-gun. One thing that bothers me is your choice of gun. There are many other .45s that are better and hold more. The USP 45 holds the same but is more manageable with its smaller size. The Glock 21 holds 13 rounds of .45, the Springfield XD holds 13, and my favorite out of the high cap .45s, the FNH FNP 45. Holds 14 rounds of .45acp. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The USP45 Tactical is less accurate and probably only has a range of 25 meters as opposed to the SOCOM's 50 meters, and the other pistols you mentioned are not
worthy for military combat conditions. By the Skinny White Guy ;)

Better? For accuracy? Not even close. Those pistols that hold more, we're talking 1-2 rounds difference. It doesn't make them better.You put one in the chamber plusa full mag that's 13rds. And again it's personal preference. I happen to like the look of the MK23 better than others. No, I don't think that the .45ACP is a "end all, instant-death-ray-gun" But if you have two guys, and one gets hit by 9mm, the other gets hit with a .45, both at the same distance, same barrel length, same rifling, hell, same weapon frame, there is MORE chance that the .45 will take him out first shot. --[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 15:41, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks < Function. There are many people that own SIGs or any other good looking pistol yet carry a Glock. I personally find the MK23 ugly because of its large trigger guard. Plus it depends on who the better shot is more than capacity, gun, or cartridge. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:04, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

My take on the issue: it more personal preference than anything. Sure, the .45 may be slightly more powerful than the 9, but there is not a man alive who wants to be shot with either of them. 99% of it is determined by how well the shot is placed, and the skill of the shooter. A hit to the heart by either of them is effective. But, there is no handgun on Earth you can absolutely gaurantee will kill someone with one shot. I am a fan of a .45, but in skilled hands, either one is lethal. -SasquatchJim

Well said --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:34, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I do agree to a point --[[Special:Contributions/58.171.63.73|58.171.63.73]] 13:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

While I agree with FIVETWOSEVEN for the most part about the 9mm and all. I mean hell, my home defense gun is a Browning BDA380 even though I was ever so close to convincing my dad to get the tu-tone Glock 17 when it was on sale. Anyway, I will have to agree with Gunmaster12 that Carlos should have kept the DEs. Don't forget, these guys aren't fighting people who are shooting back but fighting zombies and everybody knows the best way to kill zombies is the shoot them in the head and with his DEs firing a massive .44 magnum, it should probably give Carlos at better chance and blowing off the head than with a 9mm. Just my 2 cents. --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 00:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with you there, PotShot. The 9mm will normally be easier to control than the .44 magnum. Therefore, 9mms will allow him to have faster follow-up shots and more accurate fire. While I've never fired a Desert Eagle .44, I've shot enough 9mm to know that it's powerful enough to pierce the skull, yet recoil is soft enough for accurate fire. Also, 9mm is more common, allowing you to have more available in something like that. BTW, I'm a member of the zombie-survival forum the ZSDW. Look me up on there. -SasquatchJim
*Note: I came across as sounding like the .44 was terrible. I didn't mean to sound that way. I like the .44; but it seems like in a situation where headshots are required, a lighter-recoiling rounds is better.
:Now that I think about it, that does make more sense. I've never fired or even held a DE before(almost nobody sells them in my area) so I have no idea how heavy it is. This brings up another question, if LJ still had a DE and ammo, did Carlos simply lose his desert eagles or what as he and LJ could have pooled the ammo since their DEs are the same caliber.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 02:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

.44 ammo is bulky, plain and simple. Meaning its heavier, and you can haul around less of it. The capacity is also a issue, which is ultimatly why I'm not a huge fan of any DE. It's heavy, has a decent kick, the ammo is heavy, and it barely holds any rounds. While a person with a DE might leave a bigger hole, the person with the 9mm will still be shooting when the other person has to reload. And if by some miracle you can hit their brain every shot, the round doesn't matter. You need to hit their brain, not blow their head off. Meaning overall: 8 tries, or 15? Your choice. Don't get me wrong, if you feel safe with the .44 and are used to it, by all means, use it. It's just not the almighty gift from Gun Jeebus.
-Hell_raiser101, fellow member of the ZSDW.

I gotta jump back in here, I hate anything dual weilding desert eagles. I know res e is hardly realism at its pinnacle but that was just a lil too stupid, the USP's are the smarter choice and this is from a guy who does love the mk23, chunky trigger guard n all. But since we still ae on zombies and 45 auto if you wanna see this done right watch dawn of the dead (the remake). Most of you probably have to be fair, but for the final showdown most of the survivors pack glock 21's (even tho they only have the post ban 10 round mags). Probably the smartest choice for the occasion, nice chuncky 45 round, half decent mag cap, light durable and easy to use, glocks might not win any beauty pagents but damn they make for a good peice - Captain Snikt

Respect to Cap'n Snikt, but you don't have to diss a weapon just because of it's TRIGGER GUARD. wtf that's not much of an issue on any weapon's accuracy or stopping power--[[Special:Contributions/58.171.63.73|58.171.63.73]] 13:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I like how that guy's name is "Gunmaster," but he doesnt know that much about guns, or from what I've heard, anything. The Desert Eagle is just as bad as any one of these smart guys will say. I know from personal experience that the 9x19mm is a fine round, I personally don't trust it for my home defense, for that I have the pistol that has never failed me, my 1911. Like many people have said, its not so much caliber, as shot placement. This is very true. Look at the AR-15 compared to an AK47, AR has a smaller round (by far)but is much more accurate. That right there is the key. Your firearm must be accurate, but so must you be. Just because you have a .50 Caliber Action Express, doesn't mean you're ready to start WWIII. Of course I still prefer the .45 ACP, but if you're good, a 9x19mm will do the trick... thats my 2 cents anyway --[[PunisherDave]]

Thats how I see it when it comes to 9mm vs. .45acp, personal preference, but its always helpful to have good arguments to back it up.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:16, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I do not own or have fired any guns, but i have a little opinion about this matter. The fact that carlos changed to USP´s isn´t bad. The bad thing is that the guns appear to be compact ones. Giving a shorter barell and worse accuracy. I personally think that the .357 Desert Eagle is a decent gun. A relatively big pistol caliber, not so bad capacity (9) and as far as I know, good stopping power. Not to be used in military, or in any regular combat situation. But when it comes to Resident Evil world, I´d rather prefer dual AA12´s to be shure I killed those things. This movies aren´t about the most reasonable gun to have. This is for the most overkilling badass scenario possible. I mean, if it wouln´t be so expensive, they´d had used samurai edges as their sidearms.
But I think Alice´s pistols were a good choice.Thanks for your time reading my opinion ;)-thebarry1394
:I'm pretty sure that those are standard USPs, they probably look like compacts from the angle of the shot when the screenshot was taken. Dual AA-12's? I don't think that is such a great idea, if you really want to make sure they are dead (even though they are already dead), I would just shoot it again. Isn't Zombieland's rule #4 doubletap? --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 02:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
: How about finding a minigun and holdw down the trigger while sweeping it left and right over and over again? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Dual AA12s? Great, the MW2 kids found this site. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

FiveTwoSeven, I respect your argument but I still hold my place. The MK23 is a good gun, .45ACP is a good calibre, the Desert Eagle isn't a combat handgun (nor did I ever say it was) but for the requirements of the movie, (which will be watched by more people who know nothing about guns than those who do), I think that Carlos should have kept the Desert Eagles in Extinction. Not because the weapon is a better choice in real life, but because they have more of a cinematic presence than the HK USP Compact. When people see him blasting away at zombies in Vegas with USPs, they think "meh". But when they see him rappeling from a helicopter shooting the big, loud, scary Deagles, they think "Wow!"--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 13:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

And I've got to agree with FiveTwoSeven. Dual AA-12s? you would either have to hold them on different levels or set the up for left/right hand operation to stop the shells from ejecting from one gun, ricocheting off the other and hitting you in the face. Its not so much of a problem with handguns, but with any rifles/shotguns it would be a big problem. Apart from all those potential problems, the aiming would suffer REALLY badly, even with the spread shotguns have. You would chew through ammo like crazy too.(Ditto for minigun) sorry, but you probably couldn't get much worse than that in real life, but it would look good in a movie, as the Desert Eagle does.
To the Barry1394: "the most overkilling badass senario possible" my point exacty. People who watch the movie want thrills. 9mm USPs don't have anything "wrong" with them but Desert Eagles are "badass" and have good looks, and noise.--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 13:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

To FiveTwoSeven: Respect man. You came up with some excellent points during the debate. Good on ya. Gunmaster12 signing out--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 13:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Good point, GM. The directors chose them because people think they look cool. Similar to Alice's dual EVERYTHING in RE Apocalypse (and, from the looks of it, Afterlife.) -SasquatchJim

The way movies go, big guns = entertainment so I would agree.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

and we all lived happily ever after - Captain Snikt

I agree, the USP9s make more sense in real life, but Desert Eagles work better for Cinema. ;) Their aren't many Action movies out their that the Desert Eagle doesn't at lest appear in. As for Carlos not having his Desert Eagles this movie. Remember at end of Apocalypse, when they were all captured. They had all they're weapons taken away, when they got free, LJ probably grabbed one of his Desert Eagles. That probably explains why in this movie LJ only has one Desert Eagle and and why Carlos now uses the USP9s. by the Skinny White Guy again. ;)
:Where does this "DEs work better for cinema" stuff come from? Am I the only guy who doesn't just automatically associate "big" with "cool" when I watch movies? I mean shit, personally, I'd rather watch my action heroes wielding a USP or a Sig or M1911 than watch them look like douches with overly big guns trying to compensate for, ahem, smaller guns elsewhere(so deservingly mocked in Shoot Em Up I might add). [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 18:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree with you, we ment that the "masses" like the big guns in movies. Personally I like the Desert Eagle but I whould rather use other pistols for fighting like USPs, 1911s, 92FSs, SIGs, or Glocks. ;)

*@SkinnyWhiteGuy: He didn't take Carlos' DE. LJ's is one of the gold-plated ones he had back in Apocalypse. Carlos' were black.

I ment LJ's DE, I said LJ probably grabbed one of HIS Desert Eagles. -_- sorry, I guess I worded it badly. Carlos probably did not grab his own DEs, that's why he does not have them in Extinction.

*DKS01: I would too. That's one reason why I liked both Dawn of the Deads; the guns used were actual things people could come across, not "movie guns." However, the general public thinks differently. They want the biggest, most powerful weapons they can find. Case in point, the AA12. -SasquatchJim

I personally do prefer seeing guns that make sense but the general public is much different. Why do you think Collateral is one of my favorite movies yet wasn't that popular? Most of the people nowadays aren't to bright in my observations so big = good to them.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree 100%, 527. What are some other movies that actually use realistic guns? I already mentioned DOTD-SasquatchJim.

I too agree, and Collateral is one of my favorite movies too. ^_^ the SkinnyWhiteGuy

I don´t want to start a blog discussion here (but since we all did...) but why when someone talks about dual wielding guns that person must have taken that idea from Call of Duty Modern Warefare 2?
I mean, good game (as far as I know, because I haven´t played it), but it hasn´t invented the dual thing. I think it became famous with John Woo films (I don´t know if I wrote his namme correctly). Why do you FIVETWOSEVEN think Im a kid, and I am a MW2 fan. Dude, you are triying to degradate every person that has a different point of view. Correct me if Im wrong, but that´s what I can see.
PD: I know Im not so good writing in english, but, c´mon, the only thing you could understood was "dual wielding AA12´s"?
Well, at least, I could give my opinion again. And triying to end this discussion, it´s a fictional movie, there are zombies, and monster, and super powers, and you care about the gun choise?-Thebarry1394

The reason why is because that sounds like something a MW2 obssesed person would say. Its retarded to dual wield shotguns like a AA 12 because of how big they are. I am not trying to insult people for their choices unless its a bad choice. It was the combination of AA12 and dual wielding that just screams MW2 nerd.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Haha, the aa12 was the first powerfull auto gun that came across my mind that time. Nevermind. And as a principle, I don´t take gun preferences from video games. That´s just stupid and unethical to post in such a proffesional comunity (I mean, the page´s contributors have taken the imfdb job really serious, to me its an insult to take game preferences in here)
[and i tought about the aa12 becouse of the frag 12 (saw that in future weapons) because it would help to kill most of the RE monsters ;)]Thanks for your comments and respect to all the other contributors (the 9mm tactical facts will help me in a novel I´m writting)-thebarry1394

Just to be fair, on the dicussion page for Resident Evil Afterlife, there WAS a guy who thought MW2 basically created dual-weilding. That's something we had in our minds. I see what you mean, though, Barry. You weren't trying to make a point specifically for dual AA12s.-SasquatchJim

@FiveTwoSeven: Glad to see you see my point. Thats the main reason I said Carlos should have kept the Deagles, the calibre thing was a side-point.So no hard feelings. (I kind of feel sorry for Oded Fehr, I would love to see the look on his face if he saw this debate) hahaha :P--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 04:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

:From what I've read, I don't think anyone was dissing Oded Fehr. He was awesome in this movie, especially in his final moments in which he was quite epic. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:54, 24 April 2011 (CDT)

So he should switch from a handgun that has better controllable recoil, higher magazine capacity, and not oversized, for something over powered, way too fucking big, half the magazine capacity, and the recoil could possibly snap his wrist if fired one handed, when he's fighting enemies that only die from headshots, so fire power is a little factor, and higher capacity matters because zombies could gang up on him while reloading? great logic...bigger guns and bigger bullets don't mean better guns and better bullets, the desert eagle is nothing more then an overlarge piece of junk that's only featured in horrendously lame action movies because they want the "hero" to look cool. bottom line, when fighting enemies that require headshots to drop before they gang up on you, a 15+1 round handgun beats the hell out of a 7+1 round bulky piece of metal trash.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 17:57, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

As has been pointed out, it's been five years since the events of Apocalypse, so the logical conclusion is that Carlos simply ran dry of ammo for the DEs before he could find more, hence he took to carrying pistols that he had access to ammunition for. It's a gun vs no gun situation. And being that RE zombies die with a single round to the brain, caliber is indeed a moot point here. So in respect to that, magazine capacity becomes of higher importance than the size of your bullet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:29, 3 February 2012 (CST)

== Alice's 1911's ==

Are we sure that those are ParaOrd LDAs? Because honestly, I don't think they are. They don't have the grooves (The correct word escapes me at the moment) on the slide, which are the biggest indicators of LDAs, so if she doesn't have them on hers, they're either using different slides, or aren't LDAs at all. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Serrations. And you're right, they are absent, aren't they. Nite-Tacs, maybe?--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 04:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Not all LDA's have the front serrations...the nite-Tac is a LDA without them.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:I just said Nite-Tacs.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
...okay...I was informing Acora that not all LDA's have that feature...the nite-tac being one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks to both of you, then. I'm not extremely familiar with ParaOrds, so I wasn't sure. But after looking up the Nite Tac, I'd have to agree that that's probably what they are. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 19:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Lever rifle ==

I just watched the movie again and discovered one of the crazy survivors is using a lever action rifle can anybody identify it?

The lever action looked like a winchester 1894 model [[User:Balin21|Balin21]] 14:40, 19 January 19, 2012

== Umbrella Computer Guy's Glock ==

I think that was a continuity error. I just watched it last night and when he drew it, it looked like a G26 with a flat floor-plate 10-round magazine, but when he dropped it, it turned into a full size G17 (they possibly reused Clare's Glock 17). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:04, 24 April 2011 (CDT)

== Nurse Betty Pistol ==

I just watched the movie again and discovered that Nurse Betty Carried a Semi Auto pistol can anyone identify it?-[[User:Balin21|Balin21]]
[[Image:Betty_1.jpg|thumb|none|640px]]

I'm not sure what it is exactly but it looks like it has the safety on the slide, so possibly some Smith and Wesson variant?[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 16:12, 31 January 2012 (CST)

Maybe this image will help better.
[[Image:Nurse-Betty-s-Watch.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]

I capped a bigger version of the first part of the above picture, definitely a Smith & Wesson number series gun, probably 5900 series, looks like a 5946. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] 19:43, 31 January 2012 (CST)
[[Image:RE Extinction Smith.JPG|thumb|500px|Smith & Wesson automatic|left]]
[[Image:S&W5946.jpg|frame|S&W 5946|left]]

Talk:Saving Private Ryan

2013-03-15T12:26:24Z

Stickie: /* B.A.R. pronouncing */

\/ Why are these here? Explosives aren't talk page only last I checked, I thought that was just knives and suchlike. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:12, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

==Explosives==

=== Sticky Bomb ===

While planning the defense of Ramelle, Captain Miller comes up with a unimprovised explosive device he calls a "sticky bomb". It consists of a sock filled with Composition-B explosive with a fuse attached and covered in grease so it sticks where it's placed. Deploying it is a hazardous proposition though; as one soldier is killed when the fuse runs out while he is trying to place it on one of the German tanks, though the bombs do succeed in immobilizing one Tiger tank by destroying its treads. The improvised explosive is apparently inspired by the actual "sticky bomb", the short-lived British No. 74 ST Grenade, which used a purpose-designed super strong resin adhesive instead of axle grease, which was tested and found to be insufficiently sticky. The sticky bomb also had several other problems, not the least of which was a habit of sticking to the soldier using it.

[[Image:SPRStickybomb-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A paratrooper lights a sticky bomb with his Zippo but take too long to attach it and...]]
[[Image:SPRStickybomb-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...ends up getting blown up by his own sticky bomb.]]
[[Image:SPRStickybomb-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|These two paratroopers fare better and take out a Tiger tank's treads with two of these sticky bombs and render it immobile.]]

=== Mk-II No. 75 Hawkins Grenade/Mine ===
Prior to the climactic battle Cpl. Henderson relays to Cpt. Miller that their arsenal of "spitwads" includes Hawkins mines. Later a 101st Airborne soldier is seen placing one on the main street and camouflaging it.
[[Image:Hawkinsmine.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Although manufactured as a grenade the Mk-II No.75 Hawkins Grenade was utilized more efficiently as an anti-tank/vehicle mine. Partly because its shape and weight made accurate throwing difficult.]]
[[Image:SPRMKII75-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A paratrooper brings over a helmet full of Mk-II No. 75 grenade mines to set up on the road.]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A paratrooper readies the No. 75 mines detonator by wrapping the arming fuse.]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The paratrooper detonates the No. 75 mines....]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...which devastates the German infantry. (Even though the explosion is clearly hidden debris jets.)]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller readies the No. 75 mines detonator when they fall back to "The Alamo".]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller looks over at the detonator before trying to retrieve it. Captain Miller is fatally wounded before he can reach it.]]

I hope everyone likes the completed SPR page. - GM

===M1 Garand===
Some comments in the article are made about soldiers holding their M1 rifles with one hand. The comments say that the weapons shown are replicas due to their obvious light weight. While I've never held an M1, I have held an M14 with one hand. It is not difficult to hold such a weapon with one hand, especially for brief periods. [[User:Axeman|Axeman]] 22:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

:An M14 is maybe a pound or two lighter (less wood and a little smaller) but Garands are bulky and heavy. They may have been accurate and reliable but they were very cumbersome. For maybe a few seconds you can hold an M1 with one hand but it is terribly uncomfortable and definitely not how someone would hold a Garand comfortably when not reading it. Plus many of those soldiers hold the gun with one hand at an forward tilted angle, which would cause quite some strain on the wrist. (I repeated everything they did with their Garands in the movie and most of it is not that easy) And what I mean to say by lightweigh replicas is that it is likely the extras were using resin replicas that were nice and light but even the main characters had lighter rifles, they were considerably gutted in heavy spots to make them easier to carry. -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]

::Something else I realized he said that is bullshit; 'An m14 is maybe a pound or two lighter'. A GI M14 weighs ~2 pounds more than an M1 garand. It is EASIER to hold an M1 than an M14. M1s are lighter due to being SHORTER and having a much smaller magazine (8 rounds of 30 caliber ammo versus 10-20 rounds of 30 caliber ammo). GM, it appears you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, and I really question if you ever held either of the firearms in question. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 16:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

::An M1 Garand weighs less than 10 pounds. It is not hard to hold 10 pounds in one hand, and if you really think its some sort of feat of strength, you need to go to a gym. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 13:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Was about to say the same. But if you're happen to be that weak, you should carry something like M1 carbine or a Grease gun. Or sit and fill the blanks in HQ.

Holding the thumb to the offside, as shown in the illustration of Upham firing his Garand, is actually the "proper" way to hold the rifle to AVOID getting hit in the nose by one's own thumb in recoil. While the gas operation of the Garand somewhat tames the recoil impulse, there's still plenty. Also, the stock and upper handguard will protect the hand from being pinched by the reciprocating operating rod, as long as the finger tips are not actually stuck in the gap between the two parts of the stock. Upham shows good form, for a guy who appeared to have no prior experience as a rifleman.

Okay I'll be contentious just for the heck of it. I would argue that in combat with adrenalin blasting through your body you might just be able to hold the M1 Garand with one hand for awhile. Not only would you be having a temporary increase in strength but you probably wouldn't notice the discomfort for awhile. Adrenalin is a weird thing. Many stories from wars of soldiers getting shot and not even realizing it until minutes after the fact.Just thought I would put that at there. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree that it's not that far fetched to hold an M1 Garand one handed. I own a Mossberg 500 with a 28" barrel and a Mosin Nagant 91/30. The Mossberg is about 7.5lbs and I do one hand hold reloads, holding the shotgun on target. The Mosin is 8 1/2 lbs and I have no trouble holding it one handed. I'm not a trained soldier, nor a weight lifter. But, it seems to me that a trained soldier should have no problem lifting one more pound than I can.

::Actually, the M1 Garand is about 9 to 11 pounds and the M14 is 11.5 pounds. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 16:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While this discussion is relatively dead now, my point at the time was that it's not comfortable to carry the weapon like that. It's not impossible, but the weight is enough that carrying it like that (especially at enough of an angle that the front end would direct the weight forward, giving the wrist more work) would be uncomfortable. That was my reason to assume that some of the rifles were lighter weight props (seeing as some of these are for sale, they were present for filming along with the firing props). As for the M14 info, I fucked up there. It's not hard to correct someone without being a dick about it. Grow up. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

I can carry my Grandfather's M1 with one hand no problem. But then again I'm a pretty big guy. Everybody be friends. --[[User:Ardtanker14|ardtanker14]] 16:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==Guy Blowing Up==
Do we rely need a picture of a guy getting blown up? Frankly, I think it's disgusting and unnecessary. There's really no point, IMO, to have the picture on here. I know we censor nudity (''The Whole Nine Yards'', for example and I think extremely gory images should go or, if image has a nice shot of the gun, possibly cover the gore with a blck box. Seriously, there's no need for a gratuitous shot of a guy blowing up here. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

- I would say you're being a bit prudish personally (A guy gets blown up and that's sick but all the other images of blood-spraying bullet hits are ok?), but your comment has merit. If the dude got blown up but the image had a good shot of a firearm, that would be one thing I guess, but the point stands that that particular image is indeed unnecessary in terms of the informational value of it's section. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:37, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Prude? if the picture wasn't this:
[[Image:SPRStickybomb-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...ends up like this.]]
I'd agree with you, but the picture is a bit extreme--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 03:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC).

: I'm not saying it isn't. Guess I'm just not as disgusted, I don't know. But it is gruesome, and it is unneeded. I don't agree the content itself warrants removal, but that, plus it's lack of informational contribution does. Graphic detail aside, the guy getting blown up doesn't help the section, in terms of describing the weapon. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

:Actually yes it is informative, it shows what happens if you hold the weapon for too long with a lit fuse.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:11, 12 April 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:SPR-stickybombcensored.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...ends up getting blown up.]]
Here's a censored one. Noticed that I removed the meat chunks flying around. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:40, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== B.A.R. pronouncing ==

I'm still trying to understand why some particular gun people would rather spell the acryomn B-A-R, instead of just calling it "BAR". It's abbrieviated like a word that anyone recognize. I don't see why some gun nuts find it semi offensive when someone doesn't "pronounce" it right. It's like if ppl started calling NATO "N.A.T.O." cause it stands for something instead of just one flowing "word" NATO, or NORAD by each letter. I just don't get it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:It's just how it is. Everyone called it a B.A.R. and Bar just doesn't sound profesional. Personally I find it annoying when people call an A.C.O.G. an Acog, although this is okayed by most people so it's just a pet peeve of mine. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Wow you can see the decimal points and dashes in a "pronunciation" of a word" ?? You sir are gifted.

Maybe cos 'bar' is a word and people could think you're refering to a pub or a metal rod, whereas NATO, NORAD and ACOG etc. aren't similar to real words.

How it's pronounced is irrelevant. The site wants to appear professional, so it's best to properly punctuate the abbreviation. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:06, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I like to go back on this and ask, why not pronounce the acronym as it is? It is really so wrong? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:Again, because it's not the way it was done. It's an old weapon. Someone back in the twenties decided to spell it out. It may not make sense, but that's the way it is, and we shouldn't change it. Now, if you want to change the way we pronounce a modern weapon like the HK UMP, and just start calling it "ump," then go ahead. As a social experiment, I'd truly like to see how far it goes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
::BTW, I've heard some of the kids I played WaW with refer to the BAR as a bar (rhymes with car.) These are the same kids who refer to the G43 as the gew-er (rhymes with sewer.) Do the kids playing MW2 refer to the UMP as an ump (rhymes with hump?) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 19:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

That just show you that unless your homeschooled in this day and era (like me) or just pretty damn smart (like me), you turn into a damn moron. Kids have become so damn stupid that they think Karabiner sounds like car with an a at the end and beaner. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 20:05, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Internet Argument Phenomena #37 - In 97% of observed cases, when attacking their opponent's spelling, grammar or punctuation, participants in bitchy Internet Arguments will make a blunder of their own. Cause is undetermined, but is suspected to be related to excessive smugness which leads to a lack of care in checking for mistaked.
Observations continue. [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 08:26, 15 March 2013 (EDT)

==Thompson Submachine Gun==
The nickname "Tommy Gun" is derived from either it's use by British troops ("Tommies") early in WWII, or is a reference John T. Thompson, who inspired its development.
The M1 and M1A1 were both easier and cheaper to make successors to the earlier M1928 model. The most obvious difference between the earlier M1928 and the two later models was the bolt cocking handle being moved to the side of the later models - it was on top on earlier Thompson versions - and the most obvious visible difference between the M1 and the M1A1 was the protective "ears" around the rear sight of the latter. Late-production M1928s and M1s had just an L-shaped piece of sheetmetal, with the peep sight drilled through it, welded to the top of the receiver.
::Um thanks, but why? We all know this information.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Then why is differing or contrary information still on the site? Attention is specifically drawn to Upham's holding his Garand with his thumb off to the side, with the comment that it would cause the very problem that holding the rifle that way will prevent. As you can see in the pic of Vin Diesel, wrapping the thumb around the pistol grip is the way to get a big rap on the nose from your own thumb.
My comments about the Thompson (other than the Tommy Gun reference, which wasn't really specific to anything), is that the currently posted information says the M1A1 replaced the more expensive/complicated M1, when the M1 was actually the first of the "cheap" Thompsons, with the M1A1 being merely the definitive cheap Thompson. The Blish lock deletion, side cocking knob, fixed sight, smooth barrel, and other mods were already present on the M1.
::Then FIX it. I'm sure there are tons of little mistakes all over IMFDB and we can't catch them all. And users are supposed to catch mistakes when they see them. Sure, sometimes there will be 'contention' regarding an edit, but it it's an obvious mistake, then no one will complain. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== M2 Mortar ==

I think the opinion on which end of the mortar shell to bang is incorrect. If the mortar shells are time fused (for airburst) the impact on the tail would simulate the high g-forces experienced when firing the shell from the tube. The time element would start burning/turning and then detonate later. If the shells are impact detonated the tail tap would arm the impact fuzing, the next shock would be the shell coming back to earth.

You are correct , mortar roundsare armed when they drop to the bottom of the mortar tube at the instant of firing. The movie is correct, the caption under the pic is wrong. Hitting the nose of the mortar against the base plate as the caption suggest would either do nothing if the fuse is not armed or would cause it to detonate in the guys hand.

== Scope differnces ==

by the looks of things jackson uses three different scopes in some of the pics, i the scene where he is adjusting his scope for windage the scope clearly has a wider front end , in the stand-off scene where wall colapases he is using one the has a wider back end and a completely round front, and in the bell tower the scope has two vertical bars sticking out of the rifle which arent present in the previous scenes

A big problem I see is the caption under the unertl scope states he s twisting the front objective to adjust the elevation . The front objective is adjustable but just like all other scopes with adjustable objective all he is doing is adjusting the parallax. This adjustment keeps the cross hairs from apearing as if there floating around by properly focusing the scope for the range its being used at. Just because there are distance markings on the part he is turning it has nothing to do with elevation. You can clearly see the elevation and windage knobs, which he does adjust at one point , on the top and side of the rear scope mount.

As far as bullet impact and crosshair relationship at the moment of impact for the bullet, of course they dont match , forgetting the fact that its a movie we're talking about the simple fact that it take some length of time between when the shot is fired and the bullet impacts makes this a reality and historicly accurate. Simply put when you pull the trigger on any gun there is a delay before the bullet impacts your target , during this time the gun has begun to recoil, muscles contarct etc and the sights will not be pointed at the same object as they were at the moment of firing, simple physics. [panaceabeachbum]
==Prop Guns==
I almost bought a prop gun used in this movie from a guy with around 20-30 of them at a gun show about 7 years ago-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'd say none but MPM can be MPM, but we could always use more screen-used guns.-protoAuthor

==Inaccuracy==
:My teacher showed us the begining of this movie in History when we started our '''WW1''' unit! You would think that a US history teacher would know that D-Day didn't occur in WW1-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Have you considered that your teacher was showing you that part of the movie becasue it demonstrates what is involved when the infantry does a frontal assault against troops that are in heavily fortified positions? He might not have been able to find a WWI movie that recreated a frontal assault as effectively. Just an idea. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Back when I was in college, we watched the end of Gallipoli for a demonstration of WWI tactics. Paths of Glory and All Quiet on the Western Front would've worked too. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 10:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

My 7th grade history teacher was the dumbest bastard I've ever seen. He didn't even know the difference between World War I and World War II. He also called Vietnam Soldiers "Baby Killers". I got suspended later when I beat him up for saying that. Just show you that school teachers are stupid. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The mini-series '''ANZACS''', starring Paul Hogan, is also another good source of recreated WW1 battles. Don't watch the stripped down movie version. You have to watch the full mini-series (nearly 10 hours long) to appreciate the story and attention to period detail. Does ANZACS have it's own page? If not, it deserves one. It was one of the first war movies/series where strict attention to detail with regard to weapons, uniforms, tactics, vehicles, etc, was used. Also '''The Light Horsemen''' is a good example of the fighting in Palestine later in WW1. Other movies to consider are '''All The King's Men''' and '''Lawrence of Arabia'''.

==Helmet Throwing==
I watched this again for old times sake, and I had to laugh at the scene where Horvath and a German both have rifle jams, so what else could they do but pitch their helmets at each other and go for their sidearms? Unnecessary, but anything to stop your enemy from killing you I guess. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
:I remember another movie, I think it was set in Vietnam, where a guy bludgeoned someone with his helmet. And Horvath only threw his because he was pissed the German threw his first. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I think it was platoon when the soldier killed someone with his helmet[[Special:Contributions/71.59.54.184|71.59.54.184]] 19:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

We Were Soldiers had a character to beat NVA soldier to death with his helmet, when the stranded platoon was engaged in close quarters combat at night. --[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 08:46, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

:Definitely We Were Soldiers, I don't even remember a part in Platoon where anyone uses a helmet as a weapon.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:25, 12 April 2011 (CDT)

Funkychinaman, the movie you're referring to is Hamburger Hill. --[User:BigD]] 17:30, 6, June 2011

==The Pacific==
Is The Pacific a spin off of this movie?
:Band of Brothers was sort of a spin off, in that in involved a lot of the production people. And those same people did the Pacific.--[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::Funnily enough, SPR is the only one in this discussion NOT based entirely on real events.-protoAuthor 23:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Color Saturation ==

The movie itself has a purposeful 60% reduction in color saturation, giving it that bleached and washed out look, this is present in many of the screenshots, but some others have the regular color levels associated with some TV broadcasts of the film which are due to complaints about color problems from television owners unfamiliar with the look of the film. I was just wondering which color level is the preferred for this page?

I.E. :
This shot, with seemingly corrected color.
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-Ben41s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller with his Thompson at the ready.]]
As opposed to this shot, from my copy of the movie, with the washed out bleached look.
[[Image:SPRcolortest.jpg|600px|thumb|none]]

--[[User:Toadvine|Toadvine]] 07:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but it is suppose to look desaturated and old. It was done to give it that look of old film style. Also, when you place a picture from this movie that is "corrected color", it just doesn't look right. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:20100616144428!SPRM1A1Thompson-3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|original pic]]
This was the original pic that Gunmaster uploaded, it has even more grain than yours, Toadvine. I'm not sure if Ben41 color corrected his new image or got it off Blu-Ray. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Current pic with decreased saturation.]]

I just think the "corrected" colors looks over colored. I think somebody should upload some pictures that are better colored then the actual movie colors, but are not over colored like Ben41's uploaded pics. I wish I had a DVD of Saving Private Ryan (I've got it on VHS) - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 18:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

::The Color saturated NEW PICS are TOO saturated. They even look more color saturated than other regular Modern Color movies (see the Ed Burns pic). This really makes the Screenshots look even LESS like the stylized look of the original FILM. I vote to keep 'some' color saturation' but DIAL IT BACK a bunch. Split the difference between the original Desaturated look and the new super saturated look. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Some of the movies Ben41 screencaps had a similar effect, too. I'll try to remove some of his pics and put it back to its original quality. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Steven Spielberg make the color of his movies this way on purpose. Example: War of the Worlds has and unusual color to it to give the supernatural, extraterrestrial feeling. Schindlers List is Black and white so people get that dark, sad feeling to the movie.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==SS Got Issued More Lugers?==

I'm curious as to who posted the comment about pictorial evidence suggesting the SS got more Lugers than the Wehrmacht, and what your source is for that? The Wehrmacht controlled procurement, which put the SS at the bottom of the chain for new weapons, espescially in the beginning of the war. That's why they ended up with so much foreign equipment, like the ZB-26 LMG and the Radom and Hi Power pistols. Almost all of the German produced Radoms and Hi Powers went to the SS so I doubt very much they'd have more Lugers than the regular army. More pistols maybe, but because they were getting the non-German ones I doubt Lugers. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

Remember that the army adopted the P38, so it makes sense to have older handguns in the SS. [[User:Markost|Markost]] 21:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:The SS also got all the money from running the concentration camps, which included whatever money they can make from harvesting raw materials (by which I mean gold teeth, jewelry, hair, etc) and contracting out the labor. This allowed them to get a lot of stuff the army didn't get, or got later, like camo, because they actually owned or operated the factories. Small arms were probably included. I'm not saying whether or not the were or were not first in line to get Lugers, I'm just saying they probably could have if that's what they wanted. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 22:00, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

::In fact, non-standard weapons come mostly in the foreign SS units - Balkan, Baltic, Ukrainian, Russian, Belarussian and other entities in which the Germans were in the minority. German Waffen-SS units (1,2,3,5,9,10,17 SS Division) received a standard weapon, the same as the Wehrmacht.[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 22:44, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

==Arming Mortars by Banging==
Is it really inaccurate that they are banging them on the base to arm them? The arming process occurs when the projectile is launched from the tube and the arming mechanism senses a sudden acceleration. Hitting the base should make the round think it was launched, and activate the detonation fuse in the nose which is sensitive to the sudden deceleration of impacting something. Banging it on the nose would provide a deceleration force, which would set it off if already armed, but in theory do nothing if it was still safed.[[Special:Contributions/207.98.198.136|207.98.198.136]] 02:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== M1 Carbine ==
In the Neuville scene, I saw a paratrooper with a full stock M1 Carbine. I don't know how to screencap but it's at the part where Jackson is creeping around the car to get to a position to kill the sniper. The paratrooper is leaning against a wall. --[[User:Ardtanker14|ardtanker14]] 23:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Here you go: - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:53, 23 December 2011 (CST)
[[Image:SPR-M1CarbinePara.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. paratrooper taking cover behind a wall with his M1 Carbine during the sniper ambush. Note that it would be more accurate for this paratrooper to be seen with an M1A1 Carbine, a variant of the M1 Carbine that features a folding stock and is commonly issued to paratroopers.]]

== Fake Tigers ==

The Tigers in this movie are actually built on T-34/85s. You can tell in some shots because they don't have interleaved roadwheels and the turrets are too far forward (or rather the engine deck is too long compared to the rest of the tank), but they're ''very'' good fakes. The Marder III Ausf. H, Marder III Ausf. M, Shermans, M5 halftrack and Kettenkrad halftrack-motorcycle are all real. The Hanomag (Sd.Kfz.251 Ausf.D, the German halftrack) is a postwar Czech chassis with the roof cut off; it's missing the external hull stowage compartments of a real 251, and has all-steel treads with no rubber pads for travelling on road. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:47, 4 July 2011 (CDT)
:You Sir are correct. Too bad this is Guns in Movies and not Tanks in Movies ;) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 13:03, 29 August 2011 (CDT)
::We do military vehicle IDs as well, especially if they're one vehicle dressed as another. See [[Rambo III]], for example. Another little trivia note; the radar bunker seems to be a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammut_radar Mammut], the world's first phased-array radar. Probably built for the production, I don't think any have been preserved and if they had I doubt they'd be willing to rip a hole in it for a movie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:48, 27 September 2011 (CDT)

== M1 Garand mechanical mockup? Airsoft?==

Hey all! I've been wondering about the M1 Garand Mellish uses in one scene in the Normandy Invasion sequence. More specifically the scene featured in the photo below.
[[Image:SPR_303.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|Mellish and Carparzo watching the entrance of a bunker.]]
When Mellish fires his Garand it looks odd. Specifically it looks like the bolt-handle moves very VERY slowly. When a real garand is fired the bolt-handle move so swiftly you can barely see it because its so fast.
Second: There is practically zero gunsmoke coming from the chamber. Even with blanks there should have been at least SOME smoke. There is also almost no recoil whatsoever.
So based on those observations I have to ask if Mellishes Garand in this scene was a sort of mechanical special effects weapon that, for safety issues due to the very short distance between the actors gun and the german extras, simulated a real gun: blast (maybe propane), brass ejection and bolt-handle movement.
[[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 07:01, 29 August 2011 (CDT)
:If it was a flashpaper Garand, would the bolt handle be moving at all? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:05, 29 August 2011 (CDT)
::Well thats my point: If the bolt-handle didnt move because of a gunpowder explosion from a blank cartridge, then that blowback would have had to be mechanical or maybe pneumatical. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 09:45, 29 August 2011 (CDT)
:::[http://youtu.be/S3_zG7fsfsA?t=8m50s | Found it on Youtube.] Is it ejecting casings as well? Weird. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:02, 29 August 2011 (CDT)
::::Yeh exactly! There you can see how the bolt-handle moves extremely slow in comparison to live or even blank round firing. No gunsmoke or anything.
::::It wouldn't be impossible to build a mockup, but still mechanical weapon capable to display flash, bolt-movement and even casing-ejection, for safety reasons. Even if you are firing a blank at someone there is always a risk there might be some foreign material being propelled by the blanks gasses to such high velocity thus making a penetration on the person being fired at. Normally when firing blanks the actors fire away from the target as to minimize the risk. If this M1 garand is a mockup like I'm speculating then the risk would be extremely minimal and it would allow the actors to fire straight at their target, in this case two extras portraying german soldiers. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 12:59, 29 August 2011 (CDT)
::::So what do you veterans think? Is it a genuine M1 Garand in the scene displayed above? [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 14:53, 30 August 2011 (CDT)

Guys! I stumbled upon a youtube vid showing a M1 Garand airsoft rifle: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE12jF2jjtE "Marushin M1 Garand Video Review - RedWolf Airsoft - RWTV "]
Note how it behaves like Mellishes M1 Garand in the movie, minus the case ejector and muzzle flash. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 09:39, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

== Faulty scope ==

Subsection "1.4.1 Faulty Scope" states the following: "During the bell tower sequence, Jackson's Unertl scope appears to be very off from where the bullets hit, likely because he didn't zero it when switching it with his other scope."

There's nothing in the film to suggest what the Jackson character did or didn't do to the scope. In addition, each shot's landing is irregular. Even if the scope wasn't zeroed, we could still expect placement to be consistent relative to the reticle. Wouldn't it be more reasonable to attribute this phenomenon to filmmaker's error, rather than an unsubstantiated back-story? [[User:Armandthecorsair|Armandthecorsair]]

:That section's always bothered me too. Yes, it's an error in the film, but it's got nothing to do with the weapon Jackson's using. It's clearly a result of the filming technique. I'm guessing they just filmed the shots normally and simply super-imposed the crosshairs onto the footage in post-production, without bothering to centre the image on where the bullets actually hit. I keep wanting to change the article to reflect that, but obviously the page is locked.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 07:54, 25 May 2012 (CDT)

== MG 42 ==

The correct german spelling is: "Maschinengewehr". Original naming by the Heereswaffenamt was "Universal-Maschinengewehr Modell 42".
The caliber is 7,92x57mm wich was known as 8x57IS (Infantrie spitz).
The term "8mm Mauser" is not commonly used nor was it commonly used in the Wehrmacht.

:8mm Mauser is a common ''American'' name for the cartridge, and the site generally defaults to US terminology (same with using NATO designations for Soviet hardware, for example). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:36, 7 November 2011 (CST)
Why are other weapons like the Karabiner 98k and their ammunitions described correctly while this must have a branch expression from post war private business manufacturers?

:It's only in brackets to identify another common name for that cartridge in the US. It's not like it doesn't also have the full name. Also, sign your comment with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:12, 8 November 2011 (CST)

:I like the changes you've made

::Oh, you're not supposed to copy the "nowiki" tags. Those are usurp because if I didn't use them it would just sign my list again. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:18, 8 November 2011 (CST)

==MG34 machine gun==
Can someone add the section below to the machine gun section on the Saving Private Ryan page now that Ben41 locked it down?

The Tiger tanks (in reality, mocked-up T-34/85s) in the movie are seen with a hull-mounted [[MG34]]s.
[[Image:MG34-SPr.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Tiger tank with a hull-mounted MG34 (circled in red).]]

==Caps from special features==
I finally went through all the special features on the second disc of the 60th anniversary edition that I bought years ago. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:52, 14 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:SPR_BTS_sling_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Barry Pepper demonstrating how to shoot with a sling. I don't remember him doing it in the film though. Note the M1911 stuck in his pants.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_shoot_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The actors fire their weapons towards the sea. This was from the boot camp featurette.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_Maxson_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks talk in front of a dual, possibly quad .50 cal AA mount on Omaha Beach.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_tank_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The faux Tiger test fires its "gun" before the scene where it blows apart the building behind Ryan. Notice how there is no recoil or concussion blast.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_rifles_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Irish extras, some with modern shades, are issued their plastic-wrapped M1s. The M1s appear to be rubber, given how easily they're being handled. There were 750 extras, 250 of which had blank firing weapons, the rest with rubber replicas.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_flak_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Flak 38 overlooking the Omaha Beach set. Possibly the same one that was used in the final battle sequence.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_armorer_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Armorer Simon Atherton.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_armorer_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A table of M1 Garands. According to Atherton, he prepared two thousand weapons, five hundred of which were blank firing, 1500 of which were rubber replicas.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_armorer_03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Whoa, where did THOSE come from?]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_armorer_04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Some SMGs.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_armorer_05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|These weapons have seen better days. Atherton said much time had to be devoted to cleaning and repairing the weapons after exposure to the salt water and sand.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_armorer_06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Atherton himself unloading an M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_armorer_07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the armorers reassembling an M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_RG_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An extra or actor tries to shake out the sand from his rifle grenade so he can attach it to the rifle.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_paintball_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Crew members fire paintballs at a Higgins boat. For sound effects maybe?]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_bunker_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle for the scene where Miller's men clear a bunker with a flamethrower. Since the scene was filmed from a low angle, the firemen and the pads were not visible. The black smoke overhead is from fires on the beach lit for that purpose.]]
[[Image:SPR_BTS_flame_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The scene where the flame thrower blows up from another angle. That jet coming in from the left is actually propane, designed to enhance the exploding gas tank on the flamethrower.]]

== Fake Omaha Beach ==

The actual fortifications at Omaha Beach were nothing like the ones depicted in the movie. For whatever reason, there are two Leitstands overlooking the beach. There weren't any Leitstands at Omaha Beach, there were just fortifications. The beach was also much longer, about three football fields long.

==Panzerschreck faulty shield==

If you look at the first image of the German with the Panzerschreck, you can see that the shield has slipped around on its mount, it's no longer in line with the launcher's pistol grip/sights. Yet in the next shot it's vertical again. I'd add something mentioning this, but, obviously, the page is locked.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 11:46, 8 January 2013 (EST)
:I added the note. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:51, 8 January 2013 (EST)

== Request to add link for actor's name ==

It's just a little thing, but could somebody with access to the editing function for this page, make a small revision in the section for the M1 Flamethrower? The actor playing Doyle is Glenn Wrage and currently there's no brackets around his name to make a link to his actor page (like [[Glenn Wrage]]). Thanks in advance, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 04:46, 31 January 2013 (EST)
:Done. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:01, 31 January 2013 (EST)

Talk:G.I. Jane

2012-10-05T11:57:29Z

Stickie: /* Unidentified Rifle - FAL? */

== M4 in this movie? ==

In the script, someone said "This is the Carb 15, military designator: M4". So I assumed there we'll see an M4 like weapon, but so far, I didn't see anything. During the dialogue, all we see is the barrel end of a Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 10:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:GIJbarrel.jpg|thumb|none|700px| Is that tbe barrel of an M4?]]

:Yeah, in the movie he says, "This is a CAR-15, military designation M4". Which is, of course, far from true. The weapons I see in the screenshots all have the XM177-style flash hider, but the receiver types vary - some have the M16A1-style receiver, others the M16A2-style receiver. I'd guess they're just other AR carbine types with barrels chopped and fake XM177 flash hider installed, which MPM says characterizes the majority of such weapons seen in movies. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Unidentified Rifle - FAL? ==

I spotted one of the Rangers carrying some sort of 7.62mm rifle at roughly one hour and fifty minutes into the movie. It's just after they get the redirect to their new extract point. 

[[File:GIJaneUnidentified1.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[File:GIJaneUnidentified2.jpg|600px|thumb|none]]

To my civilian eyes it looks like a FAL of some kind. Anyone able to be more specific?

--Stix

It is definitely a FAL (metric pattern not inch pattern, can tell by the bolt handle in the second shot and the front sight wings) but without seeing the stock type or barrel length can't nail it down 100%. It has the regular three vent plastic handguard, so would just go for a regular FN FAL 50.00. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:55, 3 October 2012 (EDT)

:Strange that a Ranger should be toting a FAL huh? I wonder why they (director/armourers) decided to put that gun in the dude's hands...? I wondered if perhaps the Ranger team had gotten into some sort of contact earlier and the gun had been taken, or stolen, as a souvenir. Did the armed forces or anyone else in Libya ever use FALs? On that note, how common is "souvenir hunting" among American or other NATO servicemen? Is it actually allowed? --Stix #ps - thanx c552 for cleaning up my messy first edit :D

Talk:G.I. Jane

2012-10-05T11:56:49Z

Stickie: /* Unidentified Rifle - FAL? */

== M4 in this movie? ==

In the script, someone said "This is the Carb 15, military designator: M4". So I assumed there we'll see an M4 like weapon, but so far, I didn't see anything. During the dialogue, all we see is the barrel end of a Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 10:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:GIJbarrel.jpg|thumb|none|700px| Is that tbe barrel of an M4?]]

:Yeah, in the movie he says, "This is a CAR-15, military designation M4". Which is, of course, far from true. The weapons I see in the screenshots all have the XM177-style flash hider, but the receiver types vary - some have the M16A1-style receiver, others the M16A2-style receiver. I'd guess they're just other AR carbine types with barrels chopped and fake XM177 flash hider installed, which MPM says characterizes the majority of such weapons seen in movies. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Unidentified Rifle - FAL? ==

I spotted one of the Rangers carrying some sort of 7.62mm rifle at roughly one hour and fifty minutes into the movie. It's just after they get the redirect to their new extract point. 

[[File:GIJaneUnidentified1.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[File:GIJaneUnidentified2.jpg|600px|thumb|none]]

To my civilian eyes it looks like a FAL of some kind. Anyone able to be more specific?

--Stix

It is definitely a FAL (metric pattern not inch pattern, can tell by the bolt handle in the second shot and the front sight wings) but without seeing the stock type or barrel length can't nail it down 100%. It has the regular three vent plastic handguard, so would just go for a regular FN FAL 50.00. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:55, 3 October 2012 (EDT)

:Strange that a Ranger should be toting a FAL huh? I wonder why they (director/armourers)decided to put that gun in the dude's hands...? I wondered if perhaps the Ranger team had gotten into some sort of contact earlier and the gun had been taken, or stolen, as a souvenir. Did the armed forces or anyone else in Libya ever use FALs? On that note, how common is "souvenir hunting" among American or other NATO servicemen? Is it actually allowed? --Stix #ps - thanx c552 for cleaning up my messy first edit :D

Talk:G.I. Jane

2012-10-03T02:35:20Z

Stickie: /* Unidentified Rifle - FAL? */

File:GIJaneUnidentified2.jpg

2012-10-03T02:31:32Z

Stickie:

File:GIJaneUnidentified1.jpg

2012-10-03T02:30:56Z

Stickie:

Talk:G.I. Jane

2012-10-03T02:29:09Z

Stickie: /* Unidentified Rifle - FAL? */ new section

Talk:Air Force One

2012-07-20T17:51:41Z

Stickie: /* Another question... */

==Trivia (Moved from Main page)==
The dirty Secret Service Agent in this movie is named Gibbs. In the [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service|NCIS]] pilot episode in which they investigate on Air Force One, [[Mark Harmon]]'s main character (also named Gibbs) makes a couple references to this Harrison Ford movie.

==Comment on HK94s==
I changed the term 'cheaply converted' to 'converted', since "cheaply" sounded like an insult. And though it was a lot more economical to convert an HK94 at the time, the conversion process costs the same. MPM2008

:Oh, I wouldn't want to insult anyone. I only made used that term to express the fact that the guns look like chopped HK94s, instead of MP5A3s (since they lack the proper trigger grip, magazine release, and barrel). It was the best adjective I could think of to describe their appearance. -MT2008

==Blu Ray==

I've replaced all screencaps with Blu Ray versions (plus some new screencaps I didn't use before). Enjoy.

Also, I know it's not related, but...

[[Image:AFO-P226-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Wow, I forgot that [[Xander Berkeley]] has such huge hands! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Look at [[Harrison Ford]]'s face, You'd think HE'S the one holding the Gun

Excellent job with the Blu ray screencaps! --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

==Another question...==

I'm still trying to figure out what sort of attachment is fitted to the barrel of [[Gary Oldman]]'s M4 carbine in this movie. Here is the best view of it:

[[Image:AFO-M4-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Does anyone know what it is? These same M4s (in the same configuration) were also seen in ''[[Godzilla (1998)|Godzilla]]''. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:Probably a Flashlight. I doubt it would be a Laser Sight. I don't think they ever used the 'attachment' in the movie.

::I'm suddenly not even sure that it could be any kind of flashlight or laser sight. There's no visible pressure switch for activation anywhere on the M4's hand guards. It might be a barrel weight of some kind, though it seems rather unnecessary for a mil-spec M4. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Odd angle, possible AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator or previous generation model. (FNFl)
:I think it is a MILES attachment. Why its on the gun? I dont know. -[[User:The_Winchester|The Man with the Silver Gun]]

::::There's no way it's a PEQ-2; those are much bigger, and they also didn't exist when this movie was filmed. I don't think it's a MILES attachment, either, though, otherwise it would be on the muzzle, not the front sight. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:00, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::Anyone want to help a rookie out... What's a "MILES" attachment? -[[JAG1967]] 01:33, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Laser tag with real guns firing blanks. MILES stands for Multiple Integrated Laser Engagement System. To me the attachment looks like a barrel weight/ harmonic stabilizer.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:33, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

:Perhaps an early version of the AR-2A Laser or something mounted on a Command Arms triple rail front sight, but I don't think so. On the white label can hardly read something like M*M. Perhaps MTM? That means Morovision, a brand of pointing devices... Hard to say.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

:I know that Air Force One would be a special case, probably with thicker, armoured plating around the fuselage, but surely they wouldn't be using full power rounds, especially in the assault rifles? With thicker hull plates, the risk of a hole in the hull goes down but the risk of riccochet goes way, way up. Perhaps the doohickey attached to the barrel helps the gas system to cycle lower power rounds? --Stix

:Can anyone make out the writing on the top of it? Probably a valuable clue... --Stix

== Used all Budget on new M4's? ==

I find it strange this film had brand new M4's, but still used HK94's as MP5's. HK94's were popular in the 80's and early 90's, but I think Air Force One is probably the last film to have used them, no? - [[User:Thomas|Thomas]] 05:08, 17 October 2011 (CDT)

:''[[Air Force One]]'' is not the last film to use the partially-converted HK94s; they appeared again in ''[[Godzilla (1998)|Godzilla]]'' (which had the same M4s as this movie, because the armorer was the same guy) and ''[[The Siege]]'' (both from 1998). As for the M4s, those were probably just new in the Stembridge inventory at the time - there's no evidence that they were bought and converted just for this film (although ''[[Air Force One]]'' is, as we have documented, the first known cinema appearance of the M4). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::I could swear I saw one as recently as last year in ''[[The Good Guys]]''. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:47, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::I think they ran out of budget when they animated the scene of Air Force One crashing into the ocean... Compare to the other scenes in the movie, that scene looked really poorly animated...--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 23:49, 25 January 2012 (CST)

Talk:M14 Rifle

2012-07-19T14:59:53Z

Stickie: /* EBR Mod 0/1, EMR? */

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:M14sagestock.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield M-1A in SOPMOD configuration with Parker & Hale bipod - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:US M14 Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle).jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mk 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle with spare magazine - .7.62x51 NATO]]
[[File:M14MCS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M14 MCS (Modular Chassis System) with EOTech red dot sight and Vltor Modstock - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:M14 EBR-RI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|TACOM M14 EBR-RI with magazine removed and Harris bipod - 7.52x51mm]]
The military stopped issuing F/A M14's because they were too hard to control, existing rifles were fixed to fire semi only.
:Tell that to SOCOM because the Mark 14 is quite capable of FA. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:47, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

==M14==
I don't know what made the founder of IMFDB to use an M14 as part of the logo of IMFDB. I don't know if I could get the M14E2. It's kinda hard to get. - [[Special:Contributions/98.234.123.141|98.234.123.141]] 21:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)(Crysis)

I knew people who used the E2 type stocks on M14s and M1As. They preferred the higher cheek line in service rifle target shooting competition.

==M21==
That's not an M21, it's an M1A
:It's an M21 now. ~ DK

==M14E2==

I cut off the bit about it being meant to supplement the B.A.R. it was actually designed to replace it all together.

[[Special:Contributions/174.114.87.236|174.114.87.236]] 06:30, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
::And I undid your edit. What counts is how it was fielded. It actually was issued to supplement the M60s which was the GPMG of the American forces, and though it may have been designed to replace the BARs we issued to the ARVNs, the BAR was technically an obsolete weapon already by that time. The M14E2 was to supplement existing BARs in the ARVN. As far as American forces go, BARs were only seen really early in the war on the U.S. Side and primarily by USMC units. By that time the doctrine called for a General Purpose Machine Gun and select fire assault rifles. The BAR no longer fit the US military's goals. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia claims that the M14E2 was redesignated M14A1 in 1966. Is there any reason we still refer to it as E2? [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 15:45, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

== Congo ==

How come the m14 that was used in congo isnt on the site

:I haven't seen Congo in years. Was there something special about it? I looked at the screencaps on the [[Congo]] page and it doesn't really look particularly unique. Also, sign your posts by putting four tildes (~) at the end. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:08, 18 February 2012 (CST)

== EBR Mod 0/1, EMR? ==

What's the difference between the Mk. 14 Mod 0 and the Mod 1? Is it just that they have different extras attached?
Likewise, what's the difference between an EBR and an EMR? As I understood it, an EBR has a shorter barrel, can fire full auto and is generally used by the US Navy, specifically the SEALS, while an EMR has a longer barrel, is semi-auto only and is used by the USMC.
Seeing pix like the one further up this page, referring to guns with the longer barrels as EBRs makes me wonder if I've got it right.
How do you tell the difference?
--Stix
:AR-15 style stocks can be attached to an Mk 14 Mod 1. As far as I know that is the only difference. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:40, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

:Additionally, the Mark 14 is selective-fire for semi- or full-auto, whereas the M39 EMR is semi-auto only. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:45, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

::Yeh? That's what I said isn't it? --Stix

:Another slight variation is the early model Mod 0 had a larger railed forearm than is present on current Mod 0 and all Mod 1 model. If you look at the image at the top of this discussion page you can see the early model forearm (the image mislabeled as a SOPMOD), where as the image labeled as TACOM M14 EBR-RI shows the current rail length. Though this can be hard to tell on some of the 18" models where a 16" version (usually a M1A SOCOM) is used to give the same overall look of the older model. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 20:34, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Air Force One

2012-07-18T15:09:39Z

Stickie: /* Another question... */

==Trivia (Moved from Main page)==
The dirty Secret Service Agent in this movie is named Gibbs. In the [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service|NCIS]] pilot episode in which they investigate on Air Force One, [[Mark Harmon]]'s main character (also named Gibbs) makes a couple references to this Harrison Ford movie.

==Comment on HK94s==
I changed the term 'cheaply converted' to 'converted', since "cheaply" sounded like an insult. And though it was a lot more economical to convert an HK94 at the time, the conversion process costs the same. MPM2008

:Oh, I wouldn't want to insult anyone. I only made used that term to express the fact that the guns look like chopped HK94s, instead of MP5A3s (since they lack the proper trigger grip, magazine release, and barrel). It was the best adjective I could think of to describe their appearance. -MT2008

==Blu Ray==

I've replaced all screencaps with Blu Ray versions (plus some new screencaps I didn't use before). Enjoy.

Also, I know it's not related, but...

[[Image:AFO-P226-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Wow, I forgot that [[Xander Berkeley]] has such huge hands! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Look at [[Harrison Ford]]'s face, You'd think HE'S the one holding the Gun

Excellent job with the Blu ray screencaps! --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

==Another question...==

I'm still trying to figure out what sort of attachment is fitted to the barrel of [[Gary Oldman]]'s M4 carbine in this movie. Here is the best view of it:

[[Image:AFO-M4-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Does anyone know what it is? These same M4s (in the same configuration) were also seen in ''[[Godzilla (1998)|Godzilla]]''. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:Probably a Flashlight. I doubt it would be a Laser Sight. I don't think they ever used the 'attachment' in the movie.

::I'm suddenly not even sure that it could be any kind of flashlight or laser sight. There's no visible pressure switch for activation anywhere on the M4's hand guards. It might be a barrel weight of some kind, though it seems rather unnecessary for a mil-spec M4. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Odd angle, possible AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator or previous generation model. (FNFl)
:I think it is a MILES attachment. Why its on the gun? I dont know. -[[User:The_Winchester|The Man with the Silver Gun]]

::::There's no way it's a PEQ-2; those are much bigger, and they also didn't exist when this movie was filmed. I don't think it's a MILES attachment, either, though, otherwise it would be on the muzzle, not the front sight. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:00, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::Anyone want to help a rookie out... What's a "MILES" attachment? -[[JAG1967]] 01:33, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Laser tag with real guns firing blanks. MILES stands for Multiple Integrated Laser Engagement System. To me the attachment looks like a barrel weight/ harmonic stabilizer.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:33, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

:Perhaps an early version of the AR-2A Laser or something mounted on a Command Arms triple rail front sight, but I don't think so. On the white label can hardly read something like M*M. Perhaps MTM? That means Morovision, a brand of pointing devices... Hard to say.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

:I know that Air Force One would be a special case, probably with thicker, armoured plating around the fuselage, but surely they wouldn't be using full power rounds, especially in the assault rifles? With thicker hull plates, the risk of a hole in the hull goes down but the risk of riccochet goes way, way up. Perhaps the doohickey attached to the barrel helps the gas system to cycle lower power rounds? --Stix

== Used all Budget on new M4's? ==

I find it strange this film had brand new M4's, but still used HK94's as MP5's. HK94's were popular in the 80's and early 90's, but I think Air Force One is probably the last film to have used them, no? - [[User:Thomas|Thomas]] 05:08, 17 October 2011 (CDT)

:''[[Air Force One]]'' is not the last film to use the partially-converted HK94s; they appeared again in ''[[Godzilla (1998)|Godzilla]]'' (which had the same M4s as this movie, because the armorer was the same guy) and ''[[The Siege]]'' (both from 1998). As for the M4s, those were probably just new in the Stembridge inventory at the time - there's no evidence that they were bought and converted just for this film (although ''[[Air Force One]]'' is, as we have documented, the first known cinema appearance of the M4). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::I could swear I saw one as recently as last year in ''[[The Good Guys]]''. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:47, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::I think they ran out of budget when they animated the scene of Air Force One crashing into the ocean... Compare to the other scenes in the movie, that scene looked really poorly animated...--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 23:49, 25 January 2012 (CST)

Talk:M14 Rifle

2012-07-18T13:51:12Z

Stickie: /* EBR Mod 0/1, EMR? */ new section

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:M14sagestock.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield M-1A in SOPMOD configuration with Parker & Hale bipod - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:US M14 Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle).jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mk 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle with spare magazine - .7.62x51 NATO]]
[[File:M14MCS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M14 MCS (Modular Chassis System) with EOTech red dot sight and Vltor Modstock - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:M14 EBR-RI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|TACOM M14 EBR-RI with magazine removed and Harris bipod - 7.52x51mm]]
The military stopped issuing F/A M14's because they were too hard to control, existing rifles were fixed to fire semi only.

==M14==
I don't know what made the founder of IMFDB to use an M14 as part of the logo of IMFDB. I don't know if I could get the M14E2. It's kinda hard to get. - [[Special:Contributions/98.234.123.141|98.234.123.141]] 21:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)(Crysis)

I knew people who used the E2 type stocks on M14s and M1As. They preferred the higher cheek line in service rifle target shooting competition.

==M21==
That's not an M21, it's an M1A
:It's an M21 now. ~ DK

==M14E2==

I cut off the bit about it being meant to supplement the B.A.R. it was actually designed to replace it all together.

[[Special:Contributions/174.114.87.236|174.114.87.236]] 06:30, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
::And I undid your edit. What counts is how it was fielded. It actually was issued to supplement the M60s which was the GPMG of the American forces, and though it may have been designed to replace the BARs we issued to the ARVNs, the BAR was technically an obsolete weapon already by that time. The M14E2 was to supplement existing BARs in the ARVN. As far as American forces go, BARs were only seen really early in the war on the U.S. Side and primarily by USMC units. By that time the doctrine called for a General Purpose Machine Gun and select fire assault rifles. The BAR no longer fit the US military's goals. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia claims that the M14E2 was redesignated M14A1 in 1966. Is there any reason we still refer to it as E2? [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 15:45, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

== Congo ==

How come the m14 that was used in congo isnt on the site

:I haven't seen Congo in years. Was there something special about it? I looked at the screencaps on the [[Congo]] page and it doesn't really look particularly unique. Also, sign your posts by putting four tildes (~) at the end. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:08, 18 February 2012 (CST)

== EBR Mod 0/1, EMR? ==

What's the difference between the Mk. 14 Mod 0 and the Mod 1? Is it just that they have different extras attached?
Likewise, what's the difference between an EBR and an EMR? As I understood it, an EBR has a shorter barrel, can fire full auto and is generally used by the US Navy, specifically the SEALS, while an EMR has a longer barrel, is semi-auto only and is used by the USMC.
Seeing pix like the one further up this page, referring to guns with the longer barrels as EBRs makes me wonder if I've got it right.
How do you tell the difference?
--Stix

Talk:The Expendables 2

2012-07-15T00:25:22Z

Stickie: /* Couture's poster */

==Hemsworth's piece==
[[Image:Ex2Hemsworth.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Lima Hemsworth also has an AR-15 type rifle in the teaser, but only the combat scope on the waepon is seen clearly. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 07:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== Poster ==

As good as the poster looks, is actually the real one? I seem to remember it coming out a few weeks ago but was dismissed as an incredibly well made fake, as the text at the bottom is gibberish. Having said that, the weapons (for the most part, G36K rather than G36C) and costumes seem to match, so perhaps it is an early mockup with gibberish text as a place holder, but either way I believe Millennium Films requested that it be taken down from various websites. I believe the poster below, boring as it may be, is the official one that was released with the trailer.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:The-expendables-poster.jpg|thumb|300px|none|''The Expendables 2'' (2012)]]

== Arnold and AA-12 ==

It does remind me of Commando. --[[User:Eisiishai|Eisiishai]] 03:30, 17 December 2011 (CST)

== Behind the scenes ==

Bunch of BTS weapon pics
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36991167#post36991167
:If those aren't "official" behind the scenes images I don't think they are allowed to be posted here, you will have to check with a mod. However, while searching to find out where they came from, I found the following [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.265642526828218.63020.115601671832305&type=1 facebook gallery] that has all of those images and more where I saw something insetting. In two of the pictures ([http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/546414_333627663363037_115601671832305_912554_356253241_n.jpg] and [http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/485714_333628380029632_115601671832305_912579_1021573352_n.jpg]) you can see that a few background people are using the AKs mocked up as M16s that were first used in ''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]]'' (that page IDs them as Arsenal rifle, but just realised whilst checking for this that they are actually Valmets). I find it hard to believe that they were able to get ACRs, SCARs, G36s, SG552s but couldn't get their hands on a genuine M16A2 but am fairly sure that is what they are (it is shot in Bulgaria as well). It could be the case that the "main" enemy weapons like the sniperised ACRs are shipped in, wheras the "background" enemy weapons like these fake M16s and the AKs (probably Arsenal ARs) are locally sourced. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:18, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:Like I said, I would check with a mod first before adding any more of these behind the scenes images. When exactly the same situation occurred with the latest Transformers movie the images were removed so I wouldn't bank on it being different in this case. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:37, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::It looks like some guy posted some personal photos. The facebook page is just a fan site as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:33, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::Unless these are official images they need to come down immediately; someone tell me if there's any sign of these being officially approved so I can tell if they need to be deleted completely or not. Also, the site's tagline is "guns in movies," not "guns on the floor of a warehouse." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:35, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::We're not allowed to post amateur BTS shots of films? Video game pages do it all the time. The guy's clear to post them on his facebook, hence all the stars posing with him. Also probably better to move the images to Discussion rather than delete them completely so sections can be restored when the film comes out. As for "no guns outside of movie footage", you should check some of the site's pages. Many of them use shots like that as it's the only way to get a clean view of them.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 09:01, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::You're not allowed to use amateur shots unless it is ''absolutely'' clear that they have been released with the permission of the studio. I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we ''don't'' allow things like the MW3 leak on pages. And the problem isn't guns outside of movies, it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie that a cinema-goer actually sees or for that matter is even in the movie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:19, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::There isn't really that much point moving to the discussion as right now apart from the disallowed photos all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it? With other pages that include ''official'' behind the scenes images and caps, they are useful to show details of the gun and to help ID it. The links to the galleries are in this discussion page if anyone wants to look at the photos to help ID stuff when the movie comes out, so for now lets just wait and see what actually turns up in the movie. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:27, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::"''I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we don't allow things like the MW3 leak on pages."'' Uh, might want to double check that, the MW3 leak was there since the leak up until game release''."it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie"'' The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie. The reason there are two of them in each photo is in case one breaks, that's how much they're going to be using them. ''"all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it?"'' Well, for me, I check this page (and others) before release because I want to know what guns will be used so I can get even more excited for seeing it. That's why many other people come to this site. You didn't think pages were traffic graveyards until release, did you? Also, what's the point of a site that covers guns in media if it suppresses info on guns in media.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 11:45, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::Just because a gun is on set doesn't mean it will be used (and if it is whether it will actually be visible in the finished film), that is pure presumption. And how do you know that "The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie."? From what I have seen they are just pictures that were taken by a random extra or crew on set, if they were officially released by the film makers to show the range of weaponry that they will be using I'm fairly sure they wouldn't have been taken with such a crappy camera and would be available through other channels than forums and facebook pages. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:57, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::The MW3 leak was ''not'' up until the game was released, I removed those shots from the page myself almost as soon as they were put up. Leaked or unofficial images are not allowed, that's why the upcoming template specifically says all images must be from official sources. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:21, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::::New trailer shows Hemsworth with a Barret, JCVD with an AUG A3, and promo shots show Dolph with an MGL. Just like how all the MW3 leaked guns were in the final game, so will the guns from those shots be in this film, as they were obviously going to be since the beginning. Disturbing that a mod for the site seeks to reduce the info on guns in films and doesn't know much about film production.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 14:33, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
::::::::::Umm, just cause something appears in a promo or trailer does not, in fact, mean it appears in the film. There was a trailer for Predators that showed Adrian Brody standing there with around a dozen of the Predator laser sights focused on his chest, making it look like he was up against an army of predators. In the movie, there was a single laser on his chest, as he faced just the 1. In a trailer for the 3 Stooges movie, there's a scene where a nun in a bathing suit gets out of the pool and Curly comments on her hair being different. That scene was not in the final movie. There was another movie I recall awhile back(mighta been Blade 3 but I won't swear to it), where a weapon was shown on the film's official website that didn't make it into the movie itself either. So actually, no, just because a gun is on set somewhere does NOT mean it will a)make it to the final cut of the film, or b)make it into a scene where it can actually be identified. For example, a movie set might have a mix of Russian AKs, Chinese Norincos, and Bulgarian Arsenal ARs, then just randomly give them to "background" soldiers or whatever, where they won't be seen clearly enough to be identified individually in the film itself. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:26, 5 May 2012 (CDT)
Temp89, Tim is just doing his job. We could have serious reprocusions here if we posted unauthorised images here. We have several "deals" made with parties in the film industry and we got them by not posting Pirated or "leaked" information. On the Public Enemies page we had an image of a screen used M1911 machine pistol that we had to remove due to the studio's say so. While we might not have liked it it does cover our butts as far as the studios are concerned.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 15:36, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

New trailer has debuted...anyone up for going through it?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQf3YP8p85I&feature=youtu.be

==Couture's poster==

This one: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Couture.jpg. Are you sure that's a Diplomat he's holding? The front sight and the barrel are wrong... -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 18:17, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
Well I think is M4 CQBR, although i put it under M4A1 Carbine.... -[[User:Kweon|Kweon]]

Barrel's too long to be a CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0 - I'd say it's a 933. --Stix
:It isn't either, it is just a regular M4. You can see the step down for the grenade ring on the barrel ahead of the front sight. However, I think the barrel has been squashed down in photoshop so that the muzzle is on the poster, or the angle is making it look shorter than it is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:57, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

I still think it might be a 933... I think we're agreed that the barrel's too long to be a Mk. 18, and *as pictured* it's way too short to be an M4 - looking hard at it, it's hard to tell what's barrel, what's flash hider and whether there's a squashed grenade ring or not. Yeh, it could be a photoshopped M4, but why would they bother to do that? I see the little dint in the barrel that might be a grenade ring, but could that not just be a blurry part of the flash hider? --Stix

:The gun he is physically holding is definitely an M4. [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_aL2DTDEFXs/T6qN_Fbw2XI/AAAAAAAAMPE/IX5aRsSr-pY/s1600/g3qko6Oj.jpg Here] is a higher res image where you can see the detail of the barrel. On an M4. the barrel is full width when it comes out of the front sight base, then tapers down at the greande ring before stepping up in thickness again, and then stepping down to a slightly norrower diameter just before the flash hider, as seen below: [[File:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M4A1 for reference]] All of these features are clearly visible on the poster, they have just been compressed to allow the gun to fit on the poster. A model 933 barrel is not contoured once it comes out of the front sight base. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:34, 11 July 2012 (CDT)

::Fair enough - I bow to your superior knowledge of boom-stix. :)
::I could make out all of the details you pointed out on the lower rez poster but was confused by the apparent stubbiness of the barrel... I also should humbly confess that my main reason for joining the discussion was the hope that spotting a slightly lesser known rifle would make me look cool.
::Looking at the higher rez pic now, it looks a little more like the barrel is the proper length (for an M4) and it's only the angle of the camera that makes it look shorter - comparing the barrel forward of the front sight with the length of the handguard (using my thumb as a ruler), they actually seem to be pretty close.
::Would the guys in charge of promoting the movie really edit an image to shorten a gun and make it fit in the photo frame? I still can't figure out why anyone would bother... Contrite respect --Stix
::(ps - I hope you'll forgive my correcting the spelling mistake in your last post :/ )

== Lundgren's Poster ==

Fairly new to the site, so if I'm doing anything wrong, please let me know. Anyways, Lundgren seems to be holding a grenade launcher in this promo poster, looks like a Milkor MGL Mk 1S? http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/EX2_Lundgren.jpg

Talk:The Expendables 2

2012-07-15T00:24:18Z

Stickie: /* Couture's poster */

==Hemsworth's piece==
[[Image:Ex2Hemsworth.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Lima Hemsworth also has an AR-15 type rifle in the teaser, but only the combat scope on the waepon is seen clearly. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 07:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== Poster ==

As good as the poster looks, is actually the real one? I seem to remember it coming out a few weeks ago but was dismissed as an incredibly well made fake, as the text at the bottom is gibberish. Having said that, the weapons (for the most part, G36K rather than G36C) and costumes seem to match, so perhaps it is an early mockup with gibberish text as a place holder, but either way I believe Millennium Films requested that it be taken down from various websites. I believe the poster below, boring as it may be, is the official one that was released with the trailer.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:The-expendables-poster.jpg|thumb|300px|none|''The Expendables 2'' (2012)]]

== Arnold and AA-12 ==

It does remind me of Commando. --[[User:Eisiishai|Eisiishai]] 03:30, 17 December 2011 (CST)

== Behind the scenes ==

Bunch of BTS weapon pics
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36991167#post36991167
:If those aren't "official" behind the scenes images I don't think they are allowed to be posted here, you will have to check with a mod. However, while searching to find out where they came from, I found the following [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.265642526828218.63020.115601671832305&type=1 facebook gallery] that has all of those images and more where I saw something insetting. In two of the pictures ([http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/546414_333627663363037_115601671832305_912554_356253241_n.jpg] and [http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/485714_333628380029632_115601671832305_912579_1021573352_n.jpg]) you can see that a few background people are using the AKs mocked up as M16s that were first used in ''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]]'' (that page IDs them as Arsenal rifle, but just realised whilst checking for this that they are actually Valmets). I find it hard to believe that they were able to get ACRs, SCARs, G36s, SG552s but couldn't get their hands on a genuine M16A2 but am fairly sure that is what they are (it is shot in Bulgaria as well). It could be the case that the "main" enemy weapons like the sniperised ACRs are shipped in, wheras the "background" enemy weapons like these fake M16s and the AKs (probably Arsenal ARs) are locally sourced. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:18, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:Like I said, I would check with a mod first before adding any more of these behind the scenes images. When exactly the same situation occurred with the latest Transformers movie the images were removed so I wouldn't bank on it being different in this case. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:37, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::It looks like some guy posted some personal photos. The facebook page is just a fan site as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:33, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::Unless these are official images they need to come down immediately; someone tell me if there's any sign of these being officially approved so I can tell if they need to be deleted completely or not. Also, the site's tagline is "guns in movies," not "guns on the floor of a warehouse." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:35, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::We're not allowed to post amateur BTS shots of films? Video game pages do it all the time. The guy's clear to post them on his facebook, hence all the stars posing with him. Also probably better to move the images to Discussion rather than delete them completely so sections can be restored when the film comes out. As for "no guns outside of movie footage", you should check some of the site's pages. Many of them use shots like that as it's the only way to get a clean view of them.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 09:01, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::You're not allowed to use amateur shots unless it is ''absolutely'' clear that they have been released with the permission of the studio. I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we ''don't'' allow things like the MW3 leak on pages. And the problem isn't guns outside of movies, it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie that a cinema-goer actually sees or for that matter is even in the movie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:19, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::There isn't really that much point moving to the discussion as right now apart from the disallowed photos all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it? With other pages that include ''official'' behind the scenes images and caps, they are useful to show details of the gun and to help ID it. The links to the galleries are in this discussion page if anyone wants to look at the photos to help ID stuff when the movie comes out, so for now lets just wait and see what actually turns up in the movie. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:27, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::"''I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we don't allow things like the MW3 leak on pages."'' Uh, might want to double check that, the MW3 leak was there since the leak up until game release''."it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie"'' The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie. The reason there are two of them in each photo is in case one breaks, that's how much they're going to be using them. ''"all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it?"'' Well, for me, I check this page (and others) before release because I want to know what guns will be used so I can get even more excited for seeing it. That's why many other people come to this site. You didn't think pages were traffic graveyards until release, did you? Also, what's the point of a site that covers guns in media if it suppresses info on guns in media.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 11:45, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::Just because a gun is on set doesn't mean it will be used (and if it is whether it will actually be visible in the finished film), that is pure presumption. And how do you know that "The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie."? From what I have seen they are just pictures that were taken by a random extra or crew on set, if they were officially released by the film makers to show the range of weaponry that they will be using I'm fairly sure they wouldn't have been taken with such a crappy camera and would be available through other channels than forums and facebook pages. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:57, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::The MW3 leak was ''not'' up until the game was released, I removed those shots from the page myself almost as soon as they were put up. Leaked or unofficial images are not allowed, that's why the upcoming template specifically says all images must be from official sources. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:21, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::::New trailer shows Hemsworth with a Barret, JCVD with an AUG A3, and promo shots show Dolph with an MGL. Just like how all the MW3 leaked guns were in the final game, so will the guns from those shots be in this film, as they were obviously going to be since the beginning. Disturbing that a mod for the site seeks to reduce the info on guns in films and doesn't know much about film production.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 14:33, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
::::::::::Umm, just cause something appears in a promo or trailer does not, in fact, mean it appears in the film. There was a trailer for Predators that showed Adrian Brody standing there with around a dozen of the Predator laser sights focused on his chest, making it look like he was up against an army of predators. In the movie, there was a single laser on his chest, as he faced just the 1. In a trailer for the 3 Stooges movie, there's a scene where a nun in a bathing suit gets out of the pool and Curly comments on her hair being different. That scene was not in the final movie. There was another movie I recall awhile back(mighta been Blade 3 but I won't swear to it), where a weapon was shown on the film's official website that didn't make it into the movie itself either. So actually, no, just because a gun is on set somewhere does NOT mean it will a)make it to the final cut of the film, or b)make it into a scene where it can actually be identified. For example, a movie set might have a mix of Russian AKs, Chinese Norincos, and Bulgarian Arsenal ARs, then just randomly give them to "background" soldiers or whatever, where they won't be seen clearly enough to be identified individually in the film itself. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:26, 5 May 2012 (CDT)
Temp89, Tim is just doing his job. We could have serious reprocusions here if we posted unauthorised images here. We have several "deals" made with parties in the film industry and we got them by not posting Pirated or "leaked" information. On the Public Enemies page we had an image of a screen used M1911 machine pistol that we had to remove due to the studio's say so. While we might not have liked it it does cover our butts as far as the studios are concerned.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 15:36, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

New trailer has debuted...anyone up for going through it?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQf3YP8p85I&feature=youtu.be

==Couture's poster==

This one: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Couture.jpg. Are you sure that's a Diplomat he's holding? The front sight and the barrel are wrong... -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 18:17, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
Well I think is M4 CQBR, although i put it under M4A1 Carbine.... -[[User:Kweon|Kweon]]

Barrel's too long to be a CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0 - I'd say it's a 933. --Stix
:It isn't either, it is just a regular M4. You can see the step down for the grenade ring on the barrel ahead of the front sight. However, I think the barrel has been squashed down in photoshop so that the muzzle is on the poster, or the angle is making it look shorter than it is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:57, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

I still think it might be a 933... I think we're agreed that the barrel's too long to be a Mk. 18, and *as pictured* it's way too short to be an M4 - looking hard at it, it's hard to tell what's barrel, what's flash hider and whether there's a squashed grenade ring or not. Yeh, it could be a photoshopped M4, but why would they bother to do that? I see the little dint in the barrel that might be a grenade ring, but could that not just be a blurry part of the flash hider? --Stix

:The gun he is physically holding is definitely an M4. [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_aL2DTDEFXs/T6qN_Fbw2XI/AAAAAAAAMPE/IX5aRsSr-pY/s1600/g3qko6Oj.jpg Here] is a higher res image where you can see the detail of the barrel. On an M4. the barrel is full width when it comes out of the front sight base, then tapers down at the greande ring before stepping up in thickness again, and then stepping down to a slightly norrower diameter just before the flash hider, as seen below: [[File:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M4A1 for reference]] All of these features are clearly visible on the poster, they have just been compressed to allow the gun to fit on the poster. A model 933 barrel is not contoured once it comes out of the front sight base. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:34, 11 July 2012 (CDT)

::Fair enough - I bow to your superior knowledge of boom-stix. :)
::I could make out all of the details you pointed out on the lower rez poster but was confused by the apparent stubbiness of the barrel... I also should humbly confess that my main reason for joining the discussion was the hope that spotting a slightly lesser known rifle would make me look cool.
::Looking at the higher rez pic now, it looks a little more like the barrel is the proper length (for an M4) and it's only the angle of the camera that makesit look shorter - comparing the barrel forward of the front sight with the length of the handguard (using my thumb as a ruler), they actually seem to be pretty close.
::Would the guys in charge of promoting the movie really edit an image to shorten a gun and make it fit in the photo frame? I still can't figure out why anyone would bother... Contrite respect --Stix
::(ps - I hope you'll forgive my correcting the spelling mistake in your last post :/ )

== Lundgren's Poster ==

Fairly new to the site, so if I'm doing anything wrong, please let me know. Anyways, Lundgren seems to be holding a grenade launcher in this promo poster, looks like a Milkor MGL Mk 1S? http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/EX2_Lundgren.jpg

Talk:The Expendables 2

2012-07-11T15:04:24Z

Stickie: /* Couture's poster */

==Hemsworth's piece==
[[Image:Ex2Hemsworth.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Lima Hemsworth also has an AR-15 type rifle in the teaser, but only the combat scope on the waepon is seen clearly. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 07:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== Poster ==

As good as the poster looks, is actually the real one? I seem to remember it coming out a few weeks ago but was dismissed as an incredibly well made fake, as the text at the bottom is gibberish. Having said that, the weapons (for the most part, G36K rather than G36C) and costumes seem to match, so perhaps it is an early mockup with gibberish text as a place holder, but either way I believe Millennium Films requested that it be taken down from various websites. I believe the poster below, boring as it may be, is the official one that was released with the trailer.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:The-expendables-poster.jpg|thumb|300px|none|''The Expendables 2'' (2012)]]

== Arnold and AA-12 ==

It does remind me of Commando. --[[User:Eisiishai|Eisiishai]] 03:30, 17 December 2011 (CST)

== Behind the scenes ==

Bunch of BTS weapon pics
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36991167#post36991167
:If those aren't "official" behind the scenes images I don't think they are allowed to be posted here, you will have to check with a mod. However, while searching to find out where they came from, I found the following [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.265642526828218.63020.115601671832305&type=1 facebook gallery] that has all of those images and more where I saw something insetting. In two of the pictures ([http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/546414_333627663363037_115601671832305_912554_356253241_n.jpg] and [http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/485714_333628380029632_115601671832305_912579_1021573352_n.jpg]) you can see that a few background people are using the AKs mocked up as M16s that were first used in ''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]]'' (that page IDs them as Arsenal rifle, but just realised whilst checking for this that they are actually Valmets). I find it hard to believe that they were able to get ACRs, SCARs, G36s, SG552s but couldn't get their hands on a genuine M16A2 but am fairly sure that is what they are (it is shot in Bulgaria as well). It could be the case that the "main" enemy weapons like the sniperised ACRs are shipped in, wheras the "background" enemy weapons like these fake M16s and the AKs (probably Arsenal ARs) are locally sourced. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:18, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:Like I said, I would check with a mod first before adding any more of these behind the scenes images. When exactly the same situation occurred with the latest Transformers movie the images were removed so I wouldn't bank on it being different in this case. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:37, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::It looks like some guy posted some personal photos. The facebook page is just a fan site as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:33, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::Unless these are official images they need to come down immediately; someone tell me if there's any sign of these being officially approved so I can tell if they need to be deleted completely or not. Also, the site's tagline is "guns in movies," not "guns on the floor of a warehouse." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:35, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::We're not allowed to post amateur BTS shots of films? Video game pages do it all the time. The guy's clear to post them on his facebook, hence all the stars posing with him. Also probably better to move the images to Discussion rather than delete them completely so sections can be restored when the film comes out. As for "no guns outside of movie footage", you should check some of the site's pages. Many of them use shots like that as it's the only way to get a clean view of them.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 09:01, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::You're not allowed to use amateur shots unless it is ''absolutely'' clear that they have been released with the permission of the studio. I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we ''don't'' allow things like the MW3 leak on pages. And the problem isn't guns outside of movies, it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie that a cinema-goer actually sees or for that matter is even in the movie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:19, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::There isn't really that much point moving to the discussion as right now apart from the disallowed photos all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it? With other pages that include ''official'' behind the scenes images and caps, they are useful to show details of the gun and to help ID it. The links to the galleries are in this discussion page if anyone wants to look at the photos to help ID stuff when the movie comes out, so for now lets just wait and see what actually turns up in the movie. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:27, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::"''I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we don't allow things like the MW3 leak on pages."'' Uh, might want to double check that, the MW3 leak was there since the leak up until game release''."it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie"'' The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie. The reason there are two of them in each photo is in case one breaks, that's how much they're going to be using them. ''"all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it?"'' Well, for me, I check this page (and others) before release because I want to know what guns will be used so I can get even more excited for seeing it. That's why many other people come to this site. You didn't think pages were traffic graveyards until release, did you? Also, what's the point of a site that covers guns in media if it suppresses info on guns in media.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 11:45, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::Just because a gun is on set doesn't mean it will be used (and if it is whether it will actually be visible in the finished film), that is pure presumption. And how do you know that "The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie."? From what I have seen they are just pictures that were taken by a random extra or crew on set, if they were officially released by the film makers to show the range of weaponry that they will be using I'm fairly sure they wouldn't have been taken with such a crappy camera and would be available through other channels than forums and facebook pages. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:57, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::The MW3 leak was ''not'' up until the game was released, I removed those shots from the page myself almost as soon as they were put up. Leaked or unofficial images are not allowed, that's why the upcoming template specifically says all images must be from official sources. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:21, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::::New trailer shows Hemsworth with a Barret, JCVD with an AUG A3, and promo shots show Dolph with an MGL. Just like how all the MW3 leaked guns were in the final game, so will the guns from those shots be in this film, as they were obviously going to be since the beginning. Disturbing that a mod for the site seeks to reduce the info on guns in films and doesn't know much about film production.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 14:33, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
::::::::::Umm, just cause something appears in a promo or trailer does not, in fact, mean it appears in the film. There was a trailer for Predators that showed Adrian Brody standing there with around a dozen of the Predator laser sights focused on his chest, making it look like he was up against an army of predators. In the movie, there was a single laser on his chest, as he faced just the 1. In a trailer for the 3 Stooges movie, there's a scene where a nun in a bathing suit gets out of the pool and Curly comments on her hair being different. That scene was not in the final movie. There was another movie I recall awhile back(mighta been Blade 3 but I won't swear to it), where a weapon was shown on the film's official website that didn't make it into the movie itself either. So actually, no, just because a gun is on set somewhere does NOT mean it will a)make it to the final cut of the film, or b)make it into a scene where it can actually be identified. For example, a movie set might have a mix of Russian AKs, Chinese Norincos, and Bulgarian Arsenal ARs, then just randomly give them to "background" soldiers or whatever, where they won't be seen clearly enough to be identified individually in the film itself. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:26, 5 May 2012 (CDT)
Temp89, Tim is just doing his job. We could have serious reprocusions here if we posted unauthorised images here. We have several "deals" made with parties in the film industry and we got them by not posting Pirated or "leaked" information. On the Public Enemies page we had an image of a screen used M1911 machine pistol that we had to remove due to the studio's say so. While we might not have liked it it does cover our butts as far as the studios are concerned.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 15:36, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

New trailer has debuted...anyone up for going through it?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQf3YP8p85I&feature=youtu.be

==Couture's poster==

This one: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Couture.jpg. Are you sure that's a Diplomat he's holding? The front sight and the barrel are wrong... -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 18:17, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
Well I think is M4 CQBR, although i put it under M4A1 Carbine.... -[[User:Kweon|Kweon]]

Barrel's too long to be a CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0 - I'd say it's a 933. --Stix
:It isn't either, it is just a regular M4. You can see the step down for the grenade ring on the barrel ahead of the front sight. However, I think the barrel has been squashed down in photoshop so that the muzzle is on the poster, or the angle is making it look shorter than it is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:57, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

I still think it might be a 933... I think we're agreed that the barrel's too long to be a Mk. 18, and *as pictured* it's way too short to be an M4 - looking hard at it, it's hard to tell what's barrel, what's flash hider and whether there's a squashed grenade ring or not. Yeh, it could be a photoshopped M4, but why would they bother to do that? I see the little dint in the barrel that might be a grenade ring, but could that not just be a blurry part of the flash hider? --Stix

== Lundgren's Poster ==

Fairly new to the site, so if I'm doing anything wrong, please let me know. Anyways, Lundgren seems to be holding a grenade launcher in this promo poster, looks like a Milkor MGL Mk 1S? http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/EX2_Lundgren.jpg

Talk:The Expendables 2

2012-07-05T18:51:57Z

Stickie: /* Couture's poster */

==Hemsworth's piece==
[[Image:Ex2Hemsworth.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Lima Hemsworth also has an AR-15 type rifle in the teaser, but only the combat scope on the waepon is seen clearly. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 07:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== Poster ==

As good as the poster looks, is actually the real one? I seem to remember it coming out a few weeks ago but was dismissed as an incredibly well made fake, as the text at the bottom is gibberish. Having said that, the weapons (for the most part, G36K rather than G36C) and costumes seem to match, so perhaps it is an early mockup with gibberish text as a place holder, but either way I believe Millennium Films requested that it be taken down from various websites. I believe the poster below, boring as it may be, is the official one that was released with the trailer.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:The-expendables-poster.jpg|thumb|300px|none|''The Expendables 2'' (2012)]]

== Arnold and AA-12 ==

It does remind me of Commando. --[[User:Eisiishai|Eisiishai]] 03:30, 17 December 2011 (CST)

== Behind the scenes ==

Bunch of BTS weapon pics
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36991167#post36991167
:If those aren't "official" behind the scenes images I don't think they are allowed to be posted here, you will have to check with a mod. However, while searching to find out where they came from, I found the following [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.265642526828218.63020.115601671832305&type=1 facebook gallery] that has all of those images and more where I saw something insetting. In two of the pictures ([http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/546414_333627663363037_115601671832305_912554_356253241_n.jpg] and [http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/485714_333628380029632_115601671832305_912579_1021573352_n.jpg]) you can see that a few background people are using the AKs mocked up as M16s that were first used in ''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]]'' (that page IDs them as Arsenal rifle, but just realised whilst checking for this that they are actually Valmets). I find it hard to believe that they were able to get ACRs, SCARs, G36s, SG552s but couldn't get their hands on a genuine M16A2 but am fairly sure that is what they are (it is shot in Bulgaria as well). It could be the case that the "main" enemy weapons like the sniperised ACRs are shipped in, wheras the "background" enemy weapons like these fake M16s and the AKs (probably Arsenal ARs) are locally sourced. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:18, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:Like I said, I would check with a mod first before adding any more of these behind the scenes images. When exactly the same situation occurred with the latest Transformers movie the images were removed so I wouldn't bank on it being different in this case. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:37, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::It looks like some guy posted some personal photos. The facebook page is just a fan site as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:33, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::Unless these are official images they need to come down immediately; someone tell me if there's any sign of these being officially approved so I can tell if they need to be deleted completely or not. Also, the site's tagline is "guns in movies," not "guns on the floor of a warehouse." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:35, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::We're not allowed to post amateur BTS shots of films? Video game pages do it all the time. The guy's clear to post them on his facebook, hence all the stars posing with him. Also probably better to move the images to Discussion rather than delete them completely so sections can be restored when the film comes out. As for "no guns outside of movie footage", you should check some of the site's pages. Many of them use shots like that as it's the only way to get a clean view of them.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 09:01, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::You're not allowed to use amateur shots unless it is ''absolutely'' clear that they have been released with the permission of the studio. I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we ''don't'' allow things like the MW3 leak on pages. And the problem isn't guns outside of movies, it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie that a cinema-goer actually sees or for that matter is even in the movie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:19, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::There isn't really that much point moving to the discussion as right now apart from the disallowed photos all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it? With other pages that include ''official'' behind the scenes images and caps, they are useful to show details of the gun and to help ID it. The links to the galleries are in this discussion page if anyone wants to look at the photos to help ID stuff when the movie comes out, so for now lets just wait and see what actually turns up in the movie. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:27, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::"''I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we don't allow things like the MW3 leak on pages."'' Uh, might want to double check that, the MW3 leak was there since the leak up until game release''."it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie"'' The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie. The reason there are two of them in each photo is in case one breaks, that's how much they're going to be using them. ''"all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it?"'' Well, for me, I check this page (and others) before release because I want to know what guns will be used so I can get even more excited for seeing it. That's why many other people come to this site. You didn't think pages were traffic graveyards until release, did you? Also, what's the point of a site that covers guns in media if it suppresses info on guns in media.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 11:45, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::Just because a gun is on set doesn't mean it will be used (and if it is whether it will actually be visible in the finished film), that is pure presumption. And how do you know that "The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie."? From what I have seen they are just pictures that were taken by a random extra or crew on set, if they were officially released by the film makers to show the range of weaponry that they will be using I'm fairly sure they wouldn't have been taken with such a crappy camera and would be available through other channels than forums and facebook pages. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:57, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::The MW3 leak was ''not'' up until the game was released, I removed those shots from the page myself almost as soon as they were put up. Leaked or unofficial images are not allowed, that's why the upcoming template specifically says all images must be from official sources. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:21, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::::New trailer shows Hemsworth with a Barret, JCVD with an AUG A3, and promo shots show Dolph with an MGL. Just like how all the MW3 leaked guns were in the final game, so will the guns from those shots be in this film, as they were obviously going to be since the beginning. Disturbing that a mod for the site seeks to reduce the info on guns in films and doesn't know much about film production.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 14:33, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
::::::::::Umm, just cause something appears in a promo or trailer does not, in fact, mean it appears in the film. There was a trailer for Predators that showed Adrian Brody standing there with around a dozen of the Predator laser sights focused on his chest, making it look like he was up against an army of predators. In the movie, there was a single laser on his chest, as he faced just the 1. In a trailer for the 3 Stooges movie, there's a scene where a nun in a bathing suit gets out of the pool and Curly comments on her hair being different. That scene was not in the final movie. There was another movie I recall awhile back(mighta been Blade 3 but I won't swear to it), where a weapon was shown on the film's official website that didn't make it into the movie itself either. So actually, no, just because a gun is on set somewhere does NOT mean it will a)make it to the final cut of the film, or b)make it into a scene where it can actually be identified. For example, a movie set might have a mix of Russian AKs, Chinese Norincos, and Bulgarian Arsenal ARs, then just randomly give them to "background" soldiers or whatever, where they won't be seen clearly enough to be identified individually in the film itself. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:26, 5 May 2012 (CDT)
Temp89, Tim is just doing his job. We could have serious reprocusions here if we posted unauthorised images here. We have several "deals" made with parties in the film industry and we got them by not posting Pirated or "leaked" information. On the Public Enemies page we had an image of a screen used M1911 machine pistol that we had to remove due to the studio's say so. While we might not have liked it it does cover our butts as far as the studios are concerned.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 15:36, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

New trailer has debuted...anyone up for going through it?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQf3YP8p85I&feature=youtu.be

==Couture's poster==

This one: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Couture.jpg. Are you sure that's a Diplomat he's holding? The front sight and the barrel are wrong... -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 18:17, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
Well I think is M4 CQBR, although i put it under M4A1 Carbine.... -[[User:Kweon|Kweon]]
Barrel's too long to be a CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0 - I'd say it's a 933. --Stix

== Lundgren's Poster ==

Fairly new to the site, so if I'm doing anything wrong, please let me know. Anyways, Lundgren seems to be holding a grenade launcher in this promo poster, looks like a Milkor MGL Mk 1S? http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/EX2_Lundgren.jpg