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Black Hawk Down

2013-10-22T19:55:13Z

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{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1E1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator during Operation Gothic Serpent) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying WO3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with replica "slip over" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators. With the "slip over" flash hider in place it gives the Model 733 Commandos the appearance of having 10-inch barrels, when in fact they have 11.5-inch barrels. One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 Carbine==
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 Carbine]] anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous ''"This is my safety."'' scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine ([[M16 rifle series#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt Model Number 6520]]) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handle mounted in place and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.

Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by [[Eric Bana]], during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine [[Eric Bana|Bana]] utilizes throughout the film.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] finger pointing to the safety on the rubber stunt M4 Carbine being carried by [[Eric Bana]]. There is no auto-sear pin on the lower receiver indicating that it was molded from a "semi-automatic" lower receiver as indicated above. The round circle above "FIRE" on the lower receiver is the where a Colt Sear Block was installed which indicates the lower was manufactured sometime during the 1994 U.S. Assault Weapons Ban.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with a rubber stunt M4 Carbine.]]

===Special===

[[Image:DX002A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Three extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of ''Black Hawk Down''. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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Black Hawk Down

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Sgtmonroe: /* Colt M4 Carbine */

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1E1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator during Operation Gothic Serpent) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying CW3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with replica "slip over" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators. With the "slip over" flash hider in place it gives the Model 733 Commandos the appearance of having 10-inch barrels, when in fact they have 11.5-inch barrels. One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 Carbine==
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 Carbine]] anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous ''"This is my safety."'' scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine ([[M16 rifle series#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt Model Number 6520]]) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handle mounted in place and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.

Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by [[Eric Bana]], during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine [[Eric Bana|Bana]] utilizes throughout the film.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] finger pointing to the safety on the rubber stunt M4 Carbine being carried by [[Eric Bana]]. There is no auto-sear pin on the lower receiver indicating that it was molded from a "semi-automatic" lower receiver as indicated above. The round circle above "FIRE" on the lower receiver is the where a Colt Sear Block was installed which indicates the lower was manufactured sometime during the 1994 U.S. Assault Weapons Ban.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with a rubber stunt M4 Carbine.]]

===Special===

[[Image:DX002A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Three extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of ''Black Hawk Down''. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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Black Hawk Down

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Sgtmonroe: /* Colt M4 Carbine */

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1E1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator during Operation Gothic Serpent) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying CW3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with replica "slip over" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators. With the "slip over" flash hider in place it gives the Model 733 Commandos the appearance of having 10-inch barrels, when in fact they have 11.5-inch barrels. One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 Carbine==
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 Carbine]] anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous ''"This is my safety."'' scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine ([[M16 rifle series#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt Model Number 6520]]) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handle mounted in place and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.

Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by [[Eric Bana]], during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine [[Eric Bana|Bana]] utilizes during the rest of the film.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] finger pointing to the safety on the rubber stunt M4 Carbine being carried by [[Eric Bana]].]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with a rubber stunt M4 Carbine.]]

===Special===

[[Image:DX002A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Three extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of ''Black Hawk Down''. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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Talk:Black Hawk Down

2013-10-22T19:08:52Z

Sgtmonroe: /* Nelson's M60 */

== Hoot's "M4" ==
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

''"I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele"'' - Corrected the section as noted. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 13:56, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

== This probably isn't very important, but... ==
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, correctness is a virtue. Good on you for doing it. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:39, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapon used by delta force ==

M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15

: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4
:How is the stock "wrong"? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, I remember that passage. Thanks for the quote. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''

:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that "IT'S A MOVIE".-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Your point about "It's a movie" is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the "It's a movie" logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace "Actor" with "pick a gun". Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake? ==
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think

::::::Those of you who were saying he was denying the enemy are correct. You'll notice that he doesn't pocket the magazine. He tosses it away. He didn't field strip it because he likely didn't know how. So the easiest thing to do would be to unload it and throw the magazine away. I was in the military and we were trained to be observant and look for things that would compromise security (like unsecured enemy weapons). One thing you never do is use ammo you find lying around on the street, and in any case, M14Fanboy was right in that the calibers of the US weapons were totally incompatible with the Soviet rounds. Smashing the rifle would have taken time and energy that needed to be spent elsewhere. Besides, it's a rifle...not an airsoft gun. Have you ever tried to smash a real AK? There's a reason it's been in service for so many years... [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:52, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

::::: I believe it was because he was firing his M14 until it ran out of ammo, and then using a helo crew member's M16 before retreating to reload both rifles.:::

:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mike Durant's Book ==
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them).
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:I just stared reading Durant's "In the Company of Heroes" before he called it a "German piece of crap", he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a "High-Tech rifle" it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Hand ==
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was always under the assumption that it was taken to be put to rest with the rest of the body. Never leave a soldier behind.
That all said, i was always told by SF soldier i knew that they were trained to even go as far as to scoop up vomit they might have left to not leave behind any traces of themselves. -MissySummers-

The film (as everyone knows) took liberally from Mark Bowden's book. The film splits one incident ("the hand" and the "RPG in the chest") into two different scenes. According to Bowden's book (and the actual accounts of the Rangers) the hand belonged to SP4 Richard 'Alphabet' Kowalewski. It was blown off when an RPG hit him in the chest (while in the cab of a truck), but did not explode. PFC Clay Othic was in the truck when the RPG hit, but did not pick up Kowalewski's hand. It was SP4 Aaron Hand (ironic?) that "found the lower portion of Alphabet's arm on the street. All that remained intact was the hand. He picked it up and put it in his side pants pocket. He didn't know what else to do, and it didn't feel right leaving it behind." (quoted portion from Bowden's book "Black Hawk Down"). So, the film split the one incident into two scenes. The first scene of Othic picking up a hand, that in the film, could not have belonged to Kowalewski and the second (and later) scene of Kowalewski being hit and killed by the RPG rocket that did not explode. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:41, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

==Flashlight Attachment Help==
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.

:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==M4 in 1994?==
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?

:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he

The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.

:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them. There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''

::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the "M4". The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested. Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use. Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS. I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year. These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world. All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...

== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)

::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i dont know if he was actually using it, but in the movie version i think were supposed to think he took from a crew chief (since they carried an m16a2

the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)

Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says "Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck." just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==

Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.

--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Which is funny, because when Griz is drawing in the barracks and Busch walks up behind him, he calls him "Griz." But not "all" Delta had their names changed. Norm Hooten was really there, but for the movie they combined him with John Macejunas. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:04, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering "Fuckin' Delta..."--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

on topic of 1911s does anyone know what kind of 1911s they really used? for example i find it hard to believe they would be using normal 1911s when the MK.IVs were out

-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.

I read somewhere that Delta Operators are given an allowance to pay for their 1911 and any customisations they want done to it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:59, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==

The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.
:Isn't GAU-17 an Air Force designation? When the weapon is in Army use isn't it still referred to as the M-134? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:15, 2 February 2013 (EST)
::Yes, but it is the designation for a particular variant of the M134 which is what was used in the film. As far as I know there is no Army designation for this variant so I can only assume that they refer to it as the GAU-17/A. If not, using this term is still clearer than "M134 variant that would be the GAU-17/A if it was in the USAF". I'm guessing the term is universal, as the Navy use it for airborne mountings and refer to it as the GAUSE-17/A (with the SE standing for Shipboard Equipment) when it is mounted to the deck of a ship for point defence. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:42, 2 February 2013 (EST)

== Remington 870 Shotgun ==

Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a "Masterkey" configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.

As indicated on the main page and above (by an unknown poster), the Remington 870 Shotgun is seen being used by an extra/stuntman to breech a door right after being dropped by the Little Birds. The extra/stuntman IS NOT William Fichtner as evidenced by the images below - his individual equipment does not match that of Fichtner's. Further there are "on set" photographs showing at least one extra/stuntman equipped with the same type Remington 870 in addition to the one carried by Fichtner. The scene is from the "Black Hawk Down Extended Cut," NOT a "director's cut" (as the unknown person posted above). Ridley Scott has yet to do a "director's cut" of "Black Hawk Down," and I doubt he ever will due to his negative feelings about how the [[Alien]] and [[Blade Runner]] Director's Cuts turned out.
[[Image:BHD001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman preparing to fire a Remington 870. He also carries one of the rubber stunt prop M4 carbines that appear throughout the film in the hands of different extras, stuntmen, and actors. Note: there were no actual "firing" M4 carbines utilized in the film - only rubber stunt props of them.]]
[[Image:BHD002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman firing a Remington 870.]]
Further, MSG (SFC in 1993) Paul Howe did indeed carry, and utilize, a CAR-15 (his was a Colt Model 653) with a 12-gage shotgun mounted on it (at least two photographs exist of him with the weapon prior to the operation). The term "Masterkey" is anachronistic as Knight's Armament came up with the term years later. At the time (1993) Ciener was the only company producing a shotgun mount for M16-series rifles and carbines. They simply called it an "under/over mount." [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:24, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Rescue Heli Star 41 ==

The AH-6, that inbounds to Wolcott's crash site (Star 41), has miniguns and rocket pods. The helicopter that is finally landing at the chrashed Black Hawk hasn't any weapons onboard, so probably a MH-6.
:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flashlights ==
I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them? I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.

:Actors probably forgot or were never told [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings. They're better for room clearing. Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v
:Not to mention a flashlight beam in that environment would scream, "here I am, shoot me!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==
Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile? It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open. That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm. Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actor in the Specials ==

Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

That's Jeremy Piven, nowadays best known for playing Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage. Wikipedia says he played CFO Clifton Wolcott.

:I do not think it Piven. In the film he plays a pilot role and his hair is black.
http://files.haiguinet.com/flashupload/UploadedFiles/1252005569_159Jeremy_Piven.jpg
http://emsworth.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jeremy-piven-in-black-hawk-down-2.jpg
When I put the photos on the page, before to name him "delta actor", I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not Piven. Maybe he's a stand-in or something. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:06, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Seriously ==
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that. Fun fact. Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us. The solution? Flight gloves. They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you. I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work. I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

:::- ''Uh, I had replied below I didn't know about these gloves specifically, which you seem to have failed to notice. Just as you also seem to have failed to notice that all these comments you posted this slightly irritable and unnecessary response in-between were all posted '''days ago'''. It might help if you thoroughly read the comments and check the dates next time.'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you "operators"?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Flight gloves are a very thin layer of Nomex with a Clarino palm and finger overlaid. These are very light, wick sweat, and give you tactile feeling and the ability to perform tasks as though you were bare handed. They are maybe a few mm thick on the palms, and do not affect in any way your shooting ability or accuracy, even whilst firing an M249, which is notorious for running away due to gloves getting stuck and holding the trigger back.

:::I was in the Army for 9 years, and I wore flight gloves all the time during exercises. I never had a problem with them whatsoever. I was a SAW gunner as well. Whoever posted that caption about trained operators not wearing gloves is an idiot. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:14, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Discussion about the bullets, or something==
- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued "green tip" rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a "weapon switch to show he is an elite operator" shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There are other reasons as well. It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have. It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much. As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue. When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue. There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument. I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that). But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was the GC or HC and didn't really care to look it up at the moment.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new "expanding" round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official "military force" that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there. A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers. As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document. It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others. Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances full metal jacket .556 is an ideal round. When fighting a traditional battle, against an enemy that follows the rules of war, it is far better to wound the enemy than kill him. Gunner313

We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One could say that the First Gulf War was conventional. we were fighting an organized military(Iraq), i still think they were a bunch of crazy towel heads hellbent on destroying the western world.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Why is it better to wound them? -SasquatchJim.

Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I apologize; I thought he meant that wounding them was more humane, or something. Although, dead people can't keep shooting at you; wounded ones can. -SasquatchJim

It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc... Gunner313

Makes sense to me. Thanks. -SJ

Well in my opinion, I still think it's better to kill the enemy rather than just wound them, that way they don't get patched up and come back later to kill you.

agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Never Forget==
Sorry to post as anon, but I dont have an account but frequent the site. Just wanted to point out that today is the 17th anniversary of the US intervention in Somalia.

:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Interesting Uniform Note==

Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color "chocolate chip" camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color "coffee stain" pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990's and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCU's with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.

[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tom Hardy]] wielding an FN Minimi as Spc. Twombly, giving us a good look at his 3-color DCU uniform and 6-color helmet cover]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti) gun ==

What gun have Mo'alim in his shoulder? He don't remove it from the shoulder at any time, but there are two scenes where you can see:

1 When prevents the killing of Duran:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/

2 When the cannon is firing in the area of the first downed helicopter:
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/

are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Doc Schmid ==
In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.

Maybe they forgot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:This is somewhat unrelated, but I found it really funny that Schmid is played by the same actor who later played [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185836/ Adam]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

''"In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force"'' - Added this information to the front page. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 13:58, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

==tapeing==
i was just watching this , and i noticed that a majority of the rangers taped the ends of the butt stocks on their rifles . Why is that?-[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
:I believe that tape was used (not quite sure how) to attach the sling to the butt of the rifle. Tape is also used at the front of the rifle, to attach a loop of para cord around the front sight to the sling. The reason this was done was so that the sling would be attached on the top/side of the weapon, rather than the bottom (where the only fitted sling loops are) to make it more usable in combat. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

i noticed nearly all the mag's have brown tape on them, any reasons for this, or is it just purely cosmetic? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

STANAG Magazines are smooth and can be hard to grip on to to reload, especially in a high stress situation like combat. The tape helps you to grip the magazine for a speedy reload, MAGPUL makes sleeves that slide over them now. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 3:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Nelson's M60 ==

Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4? I'm not sure when the E3 or E4 came out.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 03:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

:The M60 used in the film is an original spec M60, the same as were actually used by the Rangers in Somalia (As identified by the hand guard and bi-pod attaching at the end of the barrel). Not sure exactly when the E3 was made (started being issues in 1986), but I know there was one in the 1985 film [[Commando]]. Regardless, I don't think it was that widely used, as the lighter weight barrel and other parts made the gun more prone to overheating and malfunction. The rangers actually used a mix of M60s and FN MAGs as shown below:
:[[Image:101120ritchie20pursley8yp.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]

::''"Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4"'' - Yes, because the United States Army never adopted the M60E3 - the United States Navy and Marines Corps however did. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 15:08, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

:Also, there has been talk on this page about what the actual weapons used by Delta where, and I cannot speak to this operation in particular, but in most of the photos I have seen of Delta force in Somalia, there are actually armed with M16A2s, normally with a telescopic sight mounted onto the carry handle (example below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9607/21820burns20weaver6az.jpg

::The photograph linked above DOES NOT depict Delta operators, they are Rangers. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 15:08, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

::Delta operators in Somalia used Colt Model 723 carbines with M4 style barrel, at least watching the few pictures of that time. --[[User:Pz.Abt.100|X-Ray Bravo 6]] 13:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

::: The Model 723s utilized by Delta operators, during Operation Gothic Serpent, DID NOT have the ''"M4 style barrel"'' - they had the standard barrel. Further they utilized Model 653s along with the Model 723s and Model 727s. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 15:08, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

:::Did the Rangers at the time use a black ballistic vest in addition to the woodland RBAs? While searching for M60 photos saw several photos of people in black vests carrying M16A2s with an optic on the handle, also sometimes carrying shotguns and LAWs. Are these likely Rangers rather than Delta then? Also, there are pictures of rangers using colt carbines with the step down M4 type barrels, so I think there was a much wider variety of weapons used than the film shows. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The Rangers only wore Woodland camo RBA (Ranger Body Armor) vests and desert-camo PASGT helmets during the operation (see the "Interesting Uniform Note" section above for info about the desert camo patterns used in the film). Black vests were Delta-issue only. Sort of like present-day spec. ops units using Dragon Skin vests while the main Army uses Interceptor/IOTV vests (though it's not as easy to tell the difference between the modern-day examples by looking at them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the book there was specific mention of a couple of the Rangers being stuck with the Delta "Turtle" Armor because they didn't have enough of the Ranger vests for a while.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 09:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, that explains photos like the following one then (also, note the Colt carbines with M4 type barrels the Rangers are carrying.)
:[[Image:RangersM4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Also, can anyone shed some light as to what is going on with this SAW:
:[[Image:Saw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:First off, isn't this an E2, rather than the E1 as the main article says was used by the Rangers? Also, why does it look like the receiver is made of different metal, and is the sight mount a standard fitting, or something cobbled together? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing the book mentions is that Delta's Armorer played gunsmith for some of the Ranger guys (at least 1 customized SAW is mentioned).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

that part of the book is referring to Spc. Waddell's SAW and i believe is was a grip that was put on. i would also like to shed some light on the fact that in 1993 only the Armys Special Ops like Delta Force had that kind of ability on their weapons, and now every soldier on the battlefield has the ability to put on optics, lights, lasers, and stocks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the part I was referring to, although I remember there being more than just a grip added, but its been a while. Also Rangers aren't basic infantry, they too are a part of USASOC. and in a combat zone leeway with weapons (also uniforms, gear, etc) is pretty much at the command's discretion. I believe that they would allow Rangers a bit of leeway with modifying their weapons in certain ways to enhance their effectiveness in a given environment. Spc. Waddell's SAW grip would have been noticed by his command at some point, and either him or the Delta armorer would have had to get permission to modify it, being that it is US Gov property (not to mention the other customized weapons we see in Ranger's hands in photos).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing. Why do some people call it an "M4" type barrel? I mean it's a rifle in service before the M4 came out, so shouldn't it NOT be called an M4 barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

You got me on that one... Probably because most people know the "M203 Step" Barrel as an M4 feature, so it gets genericised as an "M4 Profile Barrel".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean didn't they have the step down barrel before the M4 came about? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe so, but it would have only been within a couple years of the M4s debut (the Colt 727 comes to mind). Another reason would be marketing, people will pay more for a milspec carbine that has the "M203 step barrel" so companies market the rifles as having "M4 profile barrels".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Is this the only film to have someone shooting an M16 on burst-fire mode? ==

I would kinda doubt it, but it's the only time I've ever seen it. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 06:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

You referring to when Daniel Busch is sliding out from under the Walcott bird? That's the only time I remember. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 07:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

He's referring to a point where one of the Rangers kills an approaching Somali with a three round burst from his M-16A2. Sgt. Busch is using an M727 and fires quick single shots to kill the miltia approaching the Blackhawk. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, can remember any burst stuff, I'll re-watch it after work. And I'm very aware Busch had a 727. I wonder why Gary Gordons rifle wasn't on burst in the movie, it was in real life. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 15:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

They're referring to the part near the end when the rangers are running out of the city and one of them guns down a woman who picks up a rifle. As for burst mode: most likely the M16 in question was a full auto weapon (as virtually all of them in Hollywood are) and the actor simply fired a couple of short bursts (possibly with some editing done by the sound and special effects teams) to make in appear as though he was using burst mode.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== RPG Shooting ==

I was just looking through the section regarding the RPGs, and noticed something peculiar. Look at the shooter in the first picture. Now look at the guy in the second. Now back at the first. Is it just me, or are the two guys shooting down the two different helicopters from two different places actually the ''exact same guy''? Notice the matching folds in their clothing, and the cloth wrapped around their heads, and their silhouettes. They're all identical. Anyone else see what I'm seeing? [[User:August.allocco|August.allocco]] 18:20, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

== M16A2 ==

I think The M16A2's in the film are actual real ones. the lower reciever is that of an actual A2, and they fire in two modes only, Semi and 3 round burst.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==Question==

Why was Gordon's 727 suppressed? In the book, it says that he was providing sniper cover from the air until he landed to defend the downed Black Hawk, but wouldn't it make more sense to fire unsuppressed. I mean, why would he worry about making too much noise when theres a battle going on? And wouldn't this decrease the muzzle velocity, surely that would make sniping from the air much harder.

==M16A2s==
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
It seems that all of the so-called "M16A2s" have forward assists and are probably M16A1s with M16A2 handguards or mocked up to resemble an M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 10:16, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

Not to sound disrespectful but what the hell are you talking about? The M16 in that screenshot clearly has the A2 sights and the A2s have forward assists as well. They are not A1s with A2 handguards because of the A2 sights. They could possibly have A1 lowers to make them fully automatic as opposed to firing 3 round bursts like the A2 does. But externally they are definitely an M16A2. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:03, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:Makes sense as MPM2008's images of the M16A2 are M16A2s with A1 lower receivers as one user pointed out, which caused some confusion for me when I started learning about the M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 14:55, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:: The point is those could actually be real deal M16A2s as they fire semi auto in every shot apart from at the end where one Ranger fires what looks like a 3 round burst anyway. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:40, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
Firstly M16A2s have forward assists, so there is no reason that having the FA would make it an A1. Secondly, the guns have brass deflectors (triangular protrusion behind the ejection port) which A2s have and A1s don't. Thirdly these guns have the more complicated adjustable rear sights of A2s. The guns in this film do use M16A1 pattern lower receivers, as noted by the lack of reinforcement around the takedown pins, but I don't think they are actually Colt lowers as the M16A1 type lowers didn't have the fire selector markings stamped on the right side of the gun. Also, MPM2008's image of an M16A2 is correct, it is the M16A1 images which have the wrong lower receiver (not a standard Colt lower as it has the front reinforcement of an A2, but like the A1 lacks the rear reinforcement and right side fire selector stampings). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:07, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::Hold on. Upon seeing this picture, I started wondering why some of the Army or Special Forces personnel will have their rifle stock and or end of magazine taped with different colours? Is it just a habit or to serve other purposes?
:::The tape on the magazine is to make it easier to grip, since STANAG magazines are fairly smooth; I guess it's the same theory with the stock. Tape can also be used to mark magazines for easier recognition of special loads (say, a tracer-heavy magazine for marking targets). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:29, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::I think the tape on the stock is actually something to do with the way the sling is attached on to the rifle. They don't seem to be using the sling loop at the bottom of the stock, instead I think it is just attached to paracord wrapped around the stock and held in place with the tape. The main reasons I have seen for wrapping tape around the bottom of a magazine was to hold a loop of paracord in place to make it easier to get the magazine out of a webbing pouch (the pre Magpul solution) or for marking magazine loads as Evil Tim said. This is not the case here so I suppose it must be for grip, but seems odd that the tape is around the middle of the magazine rather than the bottom, where the the magazine would be held to get it out of a pouch. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::Sorry, but when do they fire the guns on full auto? I saw the movie not too long ago and i only saw them fireing on semi and 3 round burst. I never saw a full auto one. --[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
::::::Right towards the end of the film one of the Rangers fires two quick bursts. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I'm just watching the movie to look out for burst/auto, but jsut noticed something else. Can't screencap blurays, but at 50 minuted in as Eversmann is watching the first blackhawk go down you see the butt of his rifle, showing that it is from an A1 rifle. Also, at 40:30 when Hoot is pushing gown the heads of the prisoners as they are captured, the Delta behind him has a CAR-15 with 10" barrel, no forward assist or brass deflector, and possibly a partial fence lower (out of focus and hard to tell), making it an XM177, also called GAU-5/A. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:22, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::: ok, but Cool-breeze, you just said he fired two quick BURSTS. Not a full auto drag. I just rewatched that scene and he fired two quick THREE round bursts.--[[UserGunner5|Gunner5]]
:::::::::Yeah but the likelihood that it is an M16A2 with an A2 lower is very remote as pretty much every motion picture M16A2 I've seen fires full auto at some point. The only way to find out if it has a burst lower is if there is a decent screen grab so we can read the markings on the receiver. I think Black Hawk Down is the only film I've seen an A2 not firing full auto if it's not firing on semi. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:46, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::::::::The guy fires 2 bursts, the second of which sound like it might have been 4, but it is off-screen so that proves nothing. These rifles have A1 lowers which would suggest that they are full auto. However in the screencap above, the third position (although hard to read) looks more like burst than auto. Swinging it back the other way though, A1 receivers shouldn't have selector markings on this side, so it is either a non Colt lower so could be burst or auto, or it has been engraved by the armourer to replicate an A2 so wouldn't necessarily be correct. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:00, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

can anyone tell me why the buttstocks are taped?-2ndCommandos

== M249/FN Minimi ==

This page lists Twombly's (and others') weapon as an FN Minimi standing in for an M249-E1.

However, the weapon in the movie clearly has U.S. M249-style rear sights, which was the main differentiator from the FN design it was based on.

I believe that the weapon is really a M249 (first edition, before the E1), not a FN Minimi.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Down#FN_Minimi

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi

:Problem is, from looking things up more recent Minimis have started using the SAW rear sight. Wikipedia's article on the Minimi has pictures of Swedish and Australian soldiers with SAW-rear-sight Minimis. IMO, these are more likely to be Minimis with new top covers than 1980s-vintage unimproved SAWs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:07, 25 December 2011 (CST)

Black Hawk Down

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Sgtmonroe: /* Colt Model 733 Commando */

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1E1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator during Operation Gothic Serpent) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying CW3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with replica "slip over" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators. With the "slip over" flash hider in place it gives the Model 733 Commandos the appearance of having 10-inch barrels, when in fact they have 11.5-inch barrels. One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 Carbine==
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 Carbine]] anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous ''"This is my safety."'' scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine ([[M16 rifle series#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt Model Number 6520]]) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handled mounted in place and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.

Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by [[Eric Bana]], during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine [[Eric Bana|Bana]] utilizes during the rest of the film.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] finger pointing to the safety on the rubber stunt M4 Carbine being carried by [[Eric Bana]].]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with a rubber stunt M4 Carbine.]]

===Special===

[[Image:DX002A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Three extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of ''Black Hawk Down''. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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Black Hawk Down

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Sgtmonroe: /* Colt Model 733 Commando */

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1E1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator during Operation Gothic Serpent) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying CW3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with "replica" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators (they do not appear to be original Colt moderators, but instead appear to be "commercial" copies). One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 Carbine==
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 Carbine]] anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous ''"This is my safety."'' scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine ([[M16 rifle series#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt Model Number 6520]]) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handled mounted in place and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.

Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by [[Eric Bana]], during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine [[Eric Bana|Bana]] utilizes during the rest of the film.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] finger pointing to the safety on the rubber stunt M4 Carbine being carried by [[Eric Bana]].]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with a rubber stunt M4 Carbine.]]

===Special===

[[Image:DX002A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Three extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of ''Black Hawk Down''. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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Black Hawk Down

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Sgtmonroe: /* Colt M4 Carbine */

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1E1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying CW3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with "replica" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators (they do not appear to be original Colt moderators, but instead appear to be "commercial" copies). One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 Carbine==
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 Carbine]] anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous ''"This is my safety."'' scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine ([[M16 rifle series#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt Model Number 6520]]) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handled mounted in place and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.

Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by [[Eric Bana]], during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine [[Eric Bana|Bana]] utilizes during the rest of the film.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] finger pointing to the safety on the rubber stunt M4 Carbine being carried by [[Eric Bana]].]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with a rubber stunt M4 Carbine.]]

===Special===

[[Image:DX002A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Three extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of ''Black Hawk Down''. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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Black Hawk Down

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{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1E1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying CW3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with "replica" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators (they do not appear to be original Colt moderators, but instead appear to be "commercial" copies). One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 Carbine==
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 Carbine]] anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous ''"This is my safety."'' scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine ([[M16 rifle series#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt Model Number 6520]]) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handled mounted in placed and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.

Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by [[Eric Bana]], during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine [[Eric Bana|Bana]] utilizes during the rest of the film.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] finger pointing to the safety on the rubber stunt M4 Carbine being carried by [[Eric Bana]].]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with a rubber stunt M4 Carbine.]]

===Special===

[[Image:DX002A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Three extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of ''Black Hawk Down''. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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Black Hawk Down

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Sgtmonroe: /* Colt Model 727 Carbine */

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying CW3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with "replica" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators (they do not appear to be original Colt moderators, but instead appear to be "commercial" copies). One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 Carbine==
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 Carbine]] anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous ''"This is my safety."'' scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine ([[M16 rifle series#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt Model Number 6520]]) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handled mounted in placed and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.

Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by [[Eric Bana]], during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine [[Eric Bana|Bana]] utilizes during the rest of the film.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] finger pointing to the safety on the rubber stunt M4 Carbine being carried by [[Eric Bana]].]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with a rubber stunt M4 Carbine.]]

===Special===

[[Image:DX002A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Three extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of ''Black Hawk Down''. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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Talk:Black Hawk Down

2013-10-22T17:58:44Z

Sgtmonroe: /* Doc Schmid */

== Hoot's "M4" ==
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

''"I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele"'' - Corrected the section as noted. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 13:56, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

== This probably isn't very important, but... ==
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, correctness is a virtue. Good on you for doing it. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:39, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapon used by delta force ==

M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15

: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4
:How is the stock "wrong"? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, I remember that passage. Thanks for the quote. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''

:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that "IT'S A MOVIE".-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Your point about "It's a movie" is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the "It's a movie" logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace "Actor" with "pick a gun". Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake? ==
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think

::::::Those of you who were saying he was denying the enemy are correct. You'll notice that he doesn't pocket the magazine. He tosses it away. He didn't field strip it because he likely didn't know how. So the easiest thing to do would be to unload it and throw the magazine away. I was in the military and we were trained to be observant and look for things that would compromise security (like unsecured enemy weapons). One thing you never do is use ammo you find lying around on the street, and in any case, M14Fanboy was right in that the calibers of the US weapons were totally incompatible with the Soviet rounds. Smashing the rifle would have taken time and energy that needed to be spent elsewhere. Besides, it's a rifle...not an airsoft gun. Have you ever tried to smash a real AK? There's a reason it's been in service for so many years... [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:52, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

::::: I believe it was because he was firing his M14 until it ran out of ammo, and then using a helo crew member's M16 before retreating to reload both rifles.:::

:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mike Durant's Book ==
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them).
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:I just stared reading Durant's "In the Company of Heroes" before he called it a "German piece of crap", he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a "High-Tech rifle" it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Hand ==
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was always under the assumption that it was taken to be put to rest with the rest of the body. Never leave a soldier behind.
That all said, i was always told by SF soldier i knew that they were trained to even go as far as to scoop up vomit they might have left to not leave behind any traces of themselves. -MissySummers-

The film (as everyone knows) took liberally from Mark Bowden's book. The film splits one incident ("the hand" and the "RPG in the chest") into two different scenes. According to Bowden's book (and the actual accounts of the Rangers) the hand belonged to SP4 Richard 'Alphabet' Kowalewski. It was blown off when an RPG hit him in the chest (while in the cab of a truck), but did not explode. PFC Clay Othic was in the truck when the RPG hit, but did not pick up Kowalewski's hand. It was SP4 Aaron Hand (ironic?) that "found the lower portion of Alphabet's arm on the street. All that remained intact was the hand. He picked it up and put it in his side pants pocket. He didn't know what else to do, and it didn't feel right leaving it behind." (quoted portion from Bowden's book "Black Hawk Down"). So, the film split the one incident into two scenes. The first scene of Othic picking up a hand, that in the film, could not have belonged to Kowalewski and the second (and later) scene of Kowalewski being hit and killed by the RPG rocket that did not explode. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:41, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

==Flashlight Attachment Help==
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.

:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==M4 in 1994?==
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?

:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he

The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.

:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them. There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''

::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the "M4". The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested. Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use. Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS. I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year. These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world. All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...

== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)

::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i dont know if he was actually using it, but in the movie version i think were supposed to think he took from a crew chief (since they carried an m16a2

the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)

Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says "Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck." just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==

Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.

--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Which is funny, because when Griz is drawing in the barracks and Busch walks up behind him, he calls him "Griz." But not "all" Delta had their names changed. Norm Hooten was really there, but for the movie they combined him with John Macejunas. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:04, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering "Fuckin' Delta..."--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

on topic of 1911s does anyone know what kind of 1911s they really used? for example i find it hard to believe they would be using normal 1911s when the MK.IVs were out

-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.

I read somewhere that Delta Operators are given an allowance to pay for their 1911 and any customisations they want done to it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:59, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==

The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.
:Isn't GAU-17 an Air Force designation? When the weapon is in Army use isn't it still referred to as the M-134? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:15, 2 February 2013 (EST)
::Yes, but it is the designation for a particular variant of the M134 which is what was used in the film. As far as I know there is no Army designation for this variant so I can only assume that they refer to it as the GAU-17/A. If not, using this term is still clearer than "M134 variant that would be the GAU-17/A if it was in the USAF". I'm guessing the term is universal, as the Navy use it for airborne mountings and refer to it as the GAUSE-17/A (with the SE standing for Shipboard Equipment) when it is mounted to the deck of a ship for point defence. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:42, 2 February 2013 (EST)

== Remington 870 Shotgun ==

Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a "Masterkey" configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.

As indicated on the main page and above (by an unknown poster), the Remington 870 Shotgun is seen being used by an extra/stuntman to breech a door right after being dropped by the Little Birds. The extra/stuntman IS NOT William Fichtner as evidenced by the images below - his individual equipment does not match that of Fichtner's. Further there are "on set" photographs showing at least one extra/stuntman equipped with the same type Remington 870 in addition to the one carried by Fichtner. The scene is from the "Black Hawk Down Extended Cut," NOT a "director's cut" (as the unknown person posted above). Ridley Scott has yet to do a "director's cut" of "Black Hawk Down," and I doubt he ever will due to his negative feelings about how the [[Alien]] and [[Blade Runner]] Director's Cuts turned out.
[[Image:BHD001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman preparing to fire a Remington 870. He also carries one of the rubber stunt prop M4 carbines that appear throughout the film in the hands of different extras, stuntmen, and actors. Note: there were no actual "firing" M4 carbines utilized in the film - only rubber stunt props of them.]]
[[Image:BHD002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman firing a Remington 870.]]
Further, MSG (SFC in 1993) Paul Howe did indeed carry, and utilize, a CAR-15 (his was a Colt Model 653) with a 12-gage shotgun mounted on it (at least two photographs exist of him with the weapon prior to the operation). The term "Masterkey" is anachronistic as Knight's Armament came up with the term years later. At the time (1993) Ciener was the only company producing a shotgun mount for M16-series rifles and carbines. They simply called it an "under/over mount." [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:24, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Rescue Heli Star 41 ==

The AH-6, that inbounds to Wolcott's crash site (Star 41), has miniguns and rocket pods. The helicopter that is finally landing at the chrashed Black Hawk hasn't any weapons onboard, so probably a MH-6.
:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flashlights ==
I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them? I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.

:Actors probably forgot or were never told [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings. They're better for room clearing. Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v
:Not to mention a flashlight beam in that environment would scream, "here I am, shoot me!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==
Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile? It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open. That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm. Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actor in the Specials ==

Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

That's Jeremy Piven, nowadays best known for playing Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage. Wikipedia says he played CFO Clifton Wolcott.

:I do not think it Piven. In the film he plays a pilot role and his hair is black.
http://files.haiguinet.com/flashupload/UploadedFiles/1252005569_159Jeremy_Piven.jpg
http://emsworth.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jeremy-piven-in-black-hawk-down-2.jpg
When I put the photos on the page, before to name him "delta actor", I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not Piven. Maybe he's a stand-in or something. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:06, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Seriously ==
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that. Fun fact. Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us. The solution? Flight gloves. They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you. I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work. I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

:::- ''Uh, I had replied below I didn't know about these gloves specifically, which you seem to have failed to notice. Just as you also seem to have failed to notice that all these comments you posted this slightly irritable and unnecessary response in-between were all posted '''days ago'''. It might help if you thoroughly read the comments and check the dates next time.'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you "operators"?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Flight gloves are a very thin layer of Nomex with a Clarino palm and finger overlaid. These are very light, wick sweat, and give you tactile feeling and the ability to perform tasks as though you were bare handed. They are maybe a few mm thick on the palms, and do not affect in any way your shooting ability or accuracy, even whilst firing an M249, which is notorious for running away due to gloves getting stuck and holding the trigger back.

:::I was in the Army for 9 years, and I wore flight gloves all the time during exercises. I never had a problem with them whatsoever. I was a SAW gunner as well. Whoever posted that caption about trained operators not wearing gloves is an idiot. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:14, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Discussion about the bullets, or something==
- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued "green tip" rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a "weapon switch to show he is an elite operator" shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There are other reasons as well. It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have. It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much. As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue. When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue. There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument. I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that). But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was the GC or HC and didn't really care to look it up at the moment.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new "expanding" round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official "military force" that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there. A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers. As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document. It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others. Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances full metal jacket .556 is an ideal round. When fighting a traditional battle, against an enemy that follows the rules of war, it is far better to wound the enemy than kill him. Gunner313

We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One could say that the First Gulf War was conventional. we were fighting an organized military(Iraq), i still think they were a bunch of crazy towel heads hellbent on destroying the western world.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Why is it better to wound them? -SasquatchJim.

Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I apologize; I thought he meant that wounding them was more humane, or something. Although, dead people can't keep shooting at you; wounded ones can. -SasquatchJim

It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc... Gunner313

Makes sense to me. Thanks. -SJ

Well in my opinion, I still think it's better to kill the enemy rather than just wound them, that way they don't get patched up and come back later to kill you.

agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Never Forget==
Sorry to post as anon, but I dont have an account but frequent the site. Just wanted to point out that today is the 17th anniversary of the US intervention in Somalia.

:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Interesting Uniform Note==

Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color "chocolate chip" camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color "coffee stain" pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990's and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCU's with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.

[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tom Hardy]] wielding an FN Minimi as Spc. Twombly, giving us a good look at his 3-color DCU uniform and 6-color helmet cover]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti) gun ==

What gun have Mo'alim in his shoulder? He don't remove it from the shoulder at any time, but there are two scenes where you can see:

1 When prevents the killing of Duran:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/

2 When the cannon is firing in the area of the first downed helicopter:
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/

are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Doc Schmid ==
In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.

Maybe they forgot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:This is somewhat unrelated, but I found it really funny that Schmid is played by the same actor who later played [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185836/ Adam]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

''"In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force"'' - Added this information to the front page. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 13:58, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

==tapeing==
i was just watching this , and i noticed that a majority of the rangers taped the ends of the butt stocks on their rifles . Why is that?-[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
:I believe that tape was used (not quite sure how) to attach the sling to the butt of the rifle. Tape is also used at the front of the rifle, to attach a loop of para cord around the front sight to the sling. The reason this was done was so that the sling would be attached on the top/side of the weapon, rather than the bottom (where the only fitted sling loops are) to make it more usable in combat. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

i noticed nearly all the mag's have brown tape on them, any reasons for this, or is it just purely cosmetic? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

STANAG Magazines are smooth and can be hard to grip on to to reload, especially in a high stress situation like combat. The tape helps you to grip the magazine for a speedy reload, MAGPUL makes sleeves that slide over them now. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 3:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Nelson's M60 ==

Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4? I'm not sure when the E3 or E4 came out.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 03:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The M60 used in the film is an original spec M60, the same as were actually used by the Rangers in Somalia (As identified by the hand guard and bi-pod attaching at the end of the barrel). Not sure exactly when the E3 was made (started being issues in 1986), but I know there was one in the 1985 film [[Commando]]. Regardless, I don't think it was that widely used, as the lighter weight barrel and other parts made the gun more prone to overheating and malfunction. The rangers actually used a mix of M60s and FN MAGs as shown below:
:[[Image:101120ritchie20pursley8yp.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
:Also, there has been talk on this page about what the actual weapons used by Delta where, and I cannot speak to this operation in particular, but in most of the photos I have seen of Delta force in Somalia, there are actually armed with M16A2s, normally with a telescopic sight mounted onto the carry handle (example below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9607/21820burns20weaver6az.jpg
::Delta operators in Somalia used Colt Model 723 carbines with M4 style barrel, at least watching the few pictures of that time. --[[User:Pz.Abt.100|X-Ray Bravo 6]] 13:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Did the Rangers at the time use a black ballistic vest in addition to the woodland RBAs? While searching for M60 photos saw several photos of people in black vests carrying M16A2s with an optic on the handle, also sometimes carrying shotguns and LAWs. Are these likely Rangers rather than Delta then? Also, there are pictures of rangers using colt carbines with the step down M4 type barrels, so I think there was a much wider variety of weapons used than the film shows. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The Rangers only wore Woodland camo RBA (Ranger Body Armor) vests and desert-camo PASGT helmets during the operation (see the "Interesting Uniform Note" section above for info about the desert camo patterns used in the film). Black vests were Delta-issue only. Sort of like present-day spec. ops units using Dragon Skin vests while the main Army uses Interceptor/IOTV vests (though it's not as easy to tell the difference between the modern-day examples by looking at them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the book there was specific mention of a couple of the Rangers being stuck with the Delta "Turtle" Armor because they didn't have enough of the Ranger vests for a while.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 09:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, that explains photos like the following one then (also, note the Colt carbines with M4 type barrels the Rangers are carrying.)
:[[Image:RangersM4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Also, can anyone shed some light as to what is going on with this SAW:
:[[Image:Saw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:First off, isn't this an E2, rather than the E1 as the main article says was used by the Rangers? Also, why does it look like the receiver is made of different metal, and is the sight mount a standard fitting, or something cobbled together? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing the book mentions is that Delta's Armorer played gunsmith for some of the Ranger guys (at least 1 customized SAW is mentioned).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

that part of the book is referring to Spc. Waddell's SAW and i believe is was a grip that was put on. i would also like to shed some light on the fact that in 1993 only the Armys Special Ops like Delta Force had that kind of ability on their weapons, and now every soldier on the battlefield has the ability to put on optics, lights, lasers, and stocks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the part I was referring to, although I remember there being more than just a grip added, but its been a while. Also Rangers aren't basic infantry, they too are a part of USASOC. and in a combat zone leeway with weapons (also uniforms, gear, etc) is pretty much at the command's discretion. I believe that they would allow Rangers a bit of leeway with modifying their weapons in certain ways to enhance their effectiveness in a given environment. Spc. Waddell's SAW grip would have been noticed by his command at some point, and either him or the Delta armorer would have had to get permission to modify it, being that it is US Gov property (not to mention the other customized weapons we see in Ranger's hands in photos).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing. Why do some people call it an "M4" type barrel? I mean it's a rifle in service before the M4 came out, so shouldn't it NOT be called an M4 barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

You got me on that one... Probably because most people know the "M203 Step" Barrel as an M4 feature, so it gets genericised as an "M4 Profile Barrel".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean didn't they have the step down barrel before the M4 came about? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe so, but it would have only been within a couple years of the M4s debut (the Colt 727 comes to mind). Another reason would be marketing, people will pay more for a milspec carbine that has the "M203 step barrel" so companies market the rifles as having "M4 profile barrels".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Is this the only film to have someone shooting an M16 on burst-fire mode? ==

I would kinda doubt it, but it's the only time I've ever seen it. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 06:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

You referring to when Daniel Busch is sliding out from under the Walcott bird? That's the only time I remember. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 07:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

He's referring to a point where one of the Rangers kills an approaching Somali with a three round burst from his M-16A2. Sgt. Busch is using an M727 and fires quick single shots to kill the miltia approaching the Blackhawk. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, can remember any burst stuff, I'll re-watch it after work. And I'm very aware Busch had a 727. I wonder why Gary Gordons rifle wasn't on burst in the movie, it was in real life. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 15:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

They're referring to the part near the end when the rangers are running out of the city and one of them guns down a woman who picks up a rifle. As for burst mode: most likely the M16 in question was a full auto weapon (as virtually all of them in Hollywood are) and the actor simply fired a couple of short bursts (possibly with some editing done by the sound and special effects teams) to make in appear as though he was using burst mode.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== RPG Shooting ==

I was just looking through the section regarding the RPGs, and noticed something peculiar. Look at the shooter in the first picture. Now look at the guy in the second. Now back at the first. Is it just me, or are the two guys shooting down the two different helicopters from two different places actually the ''exact same guy''? Notice the matching folds in their clothing, and the cloth wrapped around their heads, and their silhouettes. They're all identical. Anyone else see what I'm seeing? [[User:August.allocco|August.allocco]] 18:20, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

== M16A2 ==

I think The M16A2's in the film are actual real ones. the lower reciever is that of an actual A2, and they fire in two modes only, Semi and 3 round burst.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==Question==

Why was Gordon's 727 suppressed? In the book, it says that he was providing sniper cover from the air until he landed to defend the downed Black Hawk, but wouldn't it make more sense to fire unsuppressed. I mean, why would he worry about making too much noise when theres a battle going on? And wouldn't this decrease the muzzle velocity, surely that would make sniping from the air much harder.

==M16A2s==
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
It seems that all of the so-called "M16A2s" have forward assists and are probably M16A1s with M16A2 handguards or mocked up to resemble an M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 10:16, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

Not to sound disrespectful but what the hell are you talking about? The M16 in that screenshot clearly has the A2 sights and the A2s have forward assists as well. They are not A1s with A2 handguards because of the A2 sights. They could possibly have A1 lowers to make them fully automatic as opposed to firing 3 round bursts like the A2 does. But externally they are definitely an M16A2. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:03, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:Makes sense as MPM2008's images of the M16A2 are M16A2s with A1 lower receivers as one user pointed out, which caused some confusion for me when I started learning about the M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 14:55, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:: The point is those could actually be real deal M16A2s as they fire semi auto in every shot apart from at the end where one Ranger fires what looks like a 3 round burst anyway. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:40, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
Firstly M16A2s have forward assists, so there is no reason that having the FA would make it an A1. Secondly, the guns have brass deflectors (triangular protrusion behind the ejection port) which A2s have and A1s don't. Thirdly these guns have the more complicated adjustable rear sights of A2s. The guns in this film do use M16A1 pattern lower receivers, as noted by the lack of reinforcement around the takedown pins, but I don't think they are actually Colt lowers as the M16A1 type lowers didn't have the fire selector markings stamped on the right side of the gun. Also, MPM2008's image of an M16A2 is correct, it is the M16A1 images which have the wrong lower receiver (not a standard Colt lower as it has the front reinforcement of an A2, but like the A1 lacks the rear reinforcement and right side fire selector stampings). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:07, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::Hold on. Upon seeing this picture, I started wondering why some of the Army or Special Forces personnel will have their rifle stock and or end of magazine taped with different colours? Is it just a habit or to serve other purposes?
:::The tape on the magazine is to make it easier to grip, since STANAG magazines are fairly smooth; I guess it's the same theory with the stock. Tape can also be used to mark magazines for easier recognition of special loads (say, a tracer-heavy magazine for marking targets). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:29, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::I think the tape on the stock is actually something to do with the way the sling is attached on to the rifle. They don't seem to be using the sling loop at the bottom of the stock, instead I think it is just attached to paracord wrapped around the stock and held in place with the tape. The main reasons I have seen for wrapping tape around the bottom of a magazine was to hold a loop of paracord in place to make it easier to get the magazine out of a webbing pouch (the pre Magpul solution) or for marking magazine loads as Evil Tim said. This is not the case here so I suppose it must be for grip, but seems odd that the tape is around the middle of the magazine rather than the bottom, where the the magazine would be held to get it out of a pouch. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::Sorry, but when do they fire the guns on full auto? I saw the movie not too long ago and i only saw them fireing on semi and 3 round burst. I never saw a full auto one. --[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
::::::Right towards the end of the film one of the Rangers fires two quick bursts. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I'm just watching the movie to look out for burst/auto, but jsut noticed something else. Can't screencap blurays, but at 50 minuted in as Eversmann is watching the first blackhawk go down you see the butt of his rifle, showing that it is from an A1 rifle. Also, at 40:30 when Hoot is pushing gown the heads of the prisoners as they are captured, the Delta behind him has a CAR-15 with 10" barrel, no forward assist or brass deflector, and possibly a partial fence lower (out of focus and hard to tell), making it an XM177, also called GAU-5/A. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:22, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::: ok, but Cool-breeze, you just said he fired two quick BURSTS. Not a full auto drag. I just rewatched that scene and he fired two quick THREE round bursts.--[[UserGunner5|Gunner5]]
:::::::::Yeah but the likelihood that it is an M16A2 with an A2 lower is very remote as pretty much every motion picture M16A2 I've seen fires full auto at some point. The only way to find out if it has a burst lower is if there is a decent screen grab so we can read the markings on the receiver. I think Black Hawk Down is the only film I've seen an A2 not firing full auto if it's not firing on semi. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:46, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::::::::The guy fires 2 bursts, the second of which sound like it might have been 4, but it is off-screen so that proves nothing. These rifles have A1 lowers which would suggest that they are full auto. However in the screencap above, the third position (although hard to read) looks more like burst than auto. Swinging it back the other way though, A1 receivers shouldn't have selector markings on this side, so it is either a non Colt lower so could be burst or auto, or it has been engraved by the armourer to replicate an A2 so wouldn't necessarily be correct. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:00, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

can anyone tell me why the buttstocks are taped?-2ndCommandos

== M249/FN Minimi ==

This page lists Twombly's (and others') weapon as an FN Minimi standing in for an M249-E1.

However, the weapon in the movie clearly has U.S. M249-style rear sights, which was the main differentiator from the FN design it was based on.

I believe that the weapon is really a M249 (first edition, before the E1), not a FN Minimi.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Down#FN_Minimi

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi

:Problem is, from looking things up more recent Minimis have started using the SAW rear sight. Wikipedia's article on the Minimi has pictures of Swedish and Australian soldiers with SAW-rear-sight Minimis. IMO, these are more likely to be Minimis with new top covers than 1980s-vintage unimproved SAWs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:07, 25 December 2011 (CST)

Talk:Black Hawk Down

2013-10-22T17:56:47Z

Sgtmonroe: /* Hoot's "M4" */

== Hoot's "M4" ==
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

''"I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele"'' - Corrected the section as noted. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 13:56, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

== This probably isn't very important, but... ==
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, correctness is a virtue. Good on you for doing it. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:39, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapon used by delta force ==

M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15

: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4
:How is the stock "wrong"? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, I remember that passage. Thanks for the quote. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''

:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that "IT'S A MOVIE".-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Your point about "It's a movie" is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the "It's a movie" logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace "Actor" with "pick a gun". Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake? ==
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think

::::::Those of you who were saying he was denying the enemy are correct. You'll notice that he doesn't pocket the magazine. He tosses it away. He didn't field strip it because he likely didn't know how. So the easiest thing to do would be to unload it and throw the magazine away. I was in the military and we were trained to be observant and look for things that would compromise security (like unsecured enemy weapons). One thing you never do is use ammo you find lying around on the street, and in any case, M14Fanboy was right in that the calibers of the US weapons were totally incompatible with the Soviet rounds. Smashing the rifle would have taken time and energy that needed to be spent elsewhere. Besides, it's a rifle...not an airsoft gun. Have you ever tried to smash a real AK? There's a reason it's been in service for so many years... [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:52, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

::::: I believe it was because he was firing his M14 until it ran out of ammo, and then using a helo crew member's M16 before retreating to reload both rifles.:::

:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mike Durant's Book ==
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them).
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:I just stared reading Durant's "In the Company of Heroes" before he called it a "German piece of crap", he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a "High-Tech rifle" it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Hand ==
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was always under the assumption that it was taken to be put to rest with the rest of the body. Never leave a soldier behind.
That all said, i was always told by SF soldier i knew that they were trained to even go as far as to scoop up vomit they might have left to not leave behind any traces of themselves. -MissySummers-

The film (as everyone knows) took liberally from Mark Bowden's book. The film splits one incident ("the hand" and the "RPG in the chest") into two different scenes. According to Bowden's book (and the actual accounts of the Rangers) the hand belonged to SP4 Richard 'Alphabet' Kowalewski. It was blown off when an RPG hit him in the chest (while in the cab of a truck), but did not explode. PFC Clay Othic was in the truck when the RPG hit, but did not pick up Kowalewski's hand. It was SP4 Aaron Hand (ironic?) that "found the lower portion of Alphabet's arm on the street. All that remained intact was the hand. He picked it up and put it in his side pants pocket. He didn't know what else to do, and it didn't feel right leaving it behind." (quoted portion from Bowden's book "Black Hawk Down"). So, the film split the one incident into two scenes. The first scene of Othic picking up a hand, that in the film, could not have belonged to Kowalewski and the second (and later) scene of Kowalewski being hit and killed by the RPG rocket that did not explode. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:41, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

==Flashlight Attachment Help==
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.

:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==M4 in 1994?==
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?

:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he

The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.

:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them. There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''

::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the "M4". The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested. Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use. Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS. I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year. These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world. All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...

== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)

::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i dont know if he was actually using it, but in the movie version i think were supposed to think he took from a crew chief (since they carried an m16a2

the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)

Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says "Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck." just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==

Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.

--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Which is funny, because when Griz is drawing in the barracks and Busch walks up behind him, he calls him "Griz." But not "all" Delta had their names changed. Norm Hooten was really there, but for the movie they combined him with John Macejunas. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:04, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering "Fuckin' Delta..."--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

on topic of 1911s does anyone know what kind of 1911s they really used? for example i find it hard to believe they would be using normal 1911s when the MK.IVs were out

-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.

I read somewhere that Delta Operators are given an allowance to pay for their 1911 and any customisations they want done to it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:59, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==

The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.
:Isn't GAU-17 an Air Force designation? When the weapon is in Army use isn't it still referred to as the M-134? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:15, 2 February 2013 (EST)
::Yes, but it is the designation for a particular variant of the M134 which is what was used in the film. As far as I know there is no Army designation for this variant so I can only assume that they refer to it as the GAU-17/A. If not, using this term is still clearer than "M134 variant that would be the GAU-17/A if it was in the USAF". I'm guessing the term is universal, as the Navy use it for airborne mountings and refer to it as the GAUSE-17/A (with the SE standing for Shipboard Equipment) when it is mounted to the deck of a ship for point defence. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:42, 2 February 2013 (EST)

== Remington 870 Shotgun ==

Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a "Masterkey" configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.

As indicated on the main page and above (by an unknown poster), the Remington 870 Shotgun is seen being used by an extra/stuntman to breech a door right after being dropped by the Little Birds. The extra/stuntman IS NOT William Fichtner as evidenced by the images below - his individual equipment does not match that of Fichtner's. Further there are "on set" photographs showing at least one extra/stuntman equipped with the same type Remington 870 in addition to the one carried by Fichtner. The scene is from the "Black Hawk Down Extended Cut," NOT a "director's cut" (as the unknown person posted above). Ridley Scott has yet to do a "director's cut" of "Black Hawk Down," and I doubt he ever will due to his negative feelings about how the [[Alien]] and [[Blade Runner]] Director's Cuts turned out.
[[Image:BHD001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman preparing to fire a Remington 870. He also carries one of the rubber stunt prop M4 carbines that appear throughout the film in the hands of different extras, stuntmen, and actors. Note: there were no actual "firing" M4 carbines utilized in the film - only rubber stunt props of them.]]
[[Image:BHD002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman firing a Remington 870.]]
Further, MSG (SFC in 1993) Paul Howe did indeed carry, and utilize, a CAR-15 (his was a Colt Model 653) with a 12-gage shotgun mounted on it (at least two photographs exist of him with the weapon prior to the operation). The term "Masterkey" is anachronistic as Knight's Armament came up with the term years later. At the time (1993) Ciener was the only company producing a shotgun mount for M16-series rifles and carbines. They simply called it an "under/over mount." [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:24, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Rescue Heli Star 41 ==

The AH-6, that inbounds to Wolcott's crash site (Star 41), has miniguns and rocket pods. The helicopter that is finally landing at the chrashed Black Hawk hasn't any weapons onboard, so probably a MH-6.
:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flashlights ==
I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them? I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.

:Actors probably forgot or were never told [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings. They're better for room clearing. Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v
:Not to mention a flashlight beam in that environment would scream, "here I am, shoot me!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==
Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile? It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open. That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm. Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actor in the Specials ==

Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

That's Jeremy Piven, nowadays best known for playing Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage. Wikipedia says he played CFO Clifton Wolcott.

:I do not think it Piven. In the film he plays a pilot role and his hair is black.
http://files.haiguinet.com/flashupload/UploadedFiles/1252005569_159Jeremy_Piven.jpg
http://emsworth.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jeremy-piven-in-black-hawk-down-2.jpg
When I put the photos on the page, before to name him "delta actor", I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not Piven. Maybe he's a stand-in or something. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:06, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Seriously ==
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that. Fun fact. Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us. The solution? Flight gloves. They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you. I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work. I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

:::- ''Uh, I had replied below I didn't know about these gloves specifically, which you seem to have failed to notice. Just as you also seem to have failed to notice that all these comments you posted this slightly irritable and unnecessary response in-between were all posted '''days ago'''. It might help if you thoroughly read the comments and check the dates next time.'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you "operators"?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Flight gloves are a very thin layer of Nomex with a Clarino palm and finger overlaid. These are very light, wick sweat, and give you tactile feeling and the ability to perform tasks as though you were bare handed. They are maybe a few mm thick on the palms, and do not affect in any way your shooting ability or accuracy, even whilst firing an M249, which is notorious for running away due to gloves getting stuck and holding the trigger back.

:::I was in the Army for 9 years, and I wore flight gloves all the time during exercises. I never had a problem with them whatsoever. I was a SAW gunner as well. Whoever posted that caption about trained operators not wearing gloves is an idiot. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:14, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Discussion about the bullets, or something==
- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued "green tip" rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a "weapon switch to show he is an elite operator" shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There are other reasons as well. It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have. It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much. As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue. When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue. There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument. I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that). But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was the GC or HC and didn't really care to look it up at the moment.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new "expanding" round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official "military force" that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there. A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers. As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document. It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others. Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances full metal jacket .556 is an ideal round. When fighting a traditional battle, against an enemy that follows the rules of war, it is far better to wound the enemy than kill him. Gunner313

We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One could say that the First Gulf War was conventional. we were fighting an organized military(Iraq), i still think they were a bunch of crazy towel heads hellbent on destroying the western world.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Why is it better to wound them? -SasquatchJim.

Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I apologize; I thought he meant that wounding them was more humane, or something. Although, dead people can't keep shooting at you; wounded ones can. -SasquatchJim

It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc... Gunner313

Makes sense to me. Thanks. -SJ

Well in my opinion, I still think it's better to kill the enemy rather than just wound them, that way they don't get patched up and come back later to kill you.

agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Never Forget==
Sorry to post as anon, but I dont have an account but frequent the site. Just wanted to point out that today is the 17th anniversary of the US intervention in Somalia.

:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Interesting Uniform Note==

Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color "chocolate chip" camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color "coffee stain" pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990's and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCU's with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.

[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tom Hardy]] wielding an FN Minimi as Spc. Twombly, giving us a good look at his 3-color DCU uniform and 6-color helmet cover]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti) gun ==

What gun have Mo'alim in his shoulder? He don't remove it from the shoulder at any time, but there are two scenes where you can see:

1 When prevents the killing of Duran:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/

2 When the cannon is firing in the area of the first downed helicopter:
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/

are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Doc Schmid ==
In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.

Maybe they forgot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:This is somewhat unrelated, but I found it really funny that Schmid is played by the same actor who later played [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185836/ Adam]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==tapeing==
i was just watching this , and i noticed that a majority of the rangers taped the ends of the butt stocks on their rifles . Why is that?-[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
:I believe that tape was used (not quite sure how) to attach the sling to the butt of the rifle. Tape is also used at the front of the rifle, to attach a loop of para cord around the front sight to the sling. The reason this was done was so that the sling would be attached on the top/side of the weapon, rather than the bottom (where the only fitted sling loops are) to make it more usable in combat. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

i noticed nearly all the mag's have brown tape on them, any reasons for this, or is it just purely cosmetic? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

STANAG Magazines are smooth and can be hard to grip on to to reload, especially in a high stress situation like combat. The tape helps you to grip the magazine for a speedy reload, MAGPUL makes sleeves that slide over them now. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 3:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Nelson's M60 ==

Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4? I'm not sure when the E3 or E4 came out.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 03:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The M60 used in the film is an original spec M60, the same as were actually used by the Rangers in Somalia (As identified by the hand guard and bi-pod attaching at the end of the barrel). Not sure exactly when the E3 was made (started being issues in 1986), but I know there was one in the 1985 film [[Commando]]. Regardless, I don't think it was that widely used, as the lighter weight barrel and other parts made the gun more prone to overheating and malfunction. The rangers actually used a mix of M60s and FN MAGs as shown below:
:[[Image:101120ritchie20pursley8yp.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
:Also, there has been talk on this page about what the actual weapons used by Delta where, and I cannot speak to this operation in particular, but in most of the photos I have seen of Delta force in Somalia, there are actually armed with M16A2s, normally with a telescopic sight mounted onto the carry handle (example below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9607/21820burns20weaver6az.jpg
::Delta operators in Somalia used Colt Model 723 carbines with M4 style barrel, at least watching the few pictures of that time. --[[User:Pz.Abt.100|X-Ray Bravo 6]] 13:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Did the Rangers at the time use a black ballistic vest in addition to the woodland RBAs? While searching for M60 photos saw several photos of people in black vests carrying M16A2s with an optic on the handle, also sometimes carrying shotguns and LAWs. Are these likely Rangers rather than Delta then? Also, there are pictures of rangers using colt carbines with the step down M4 type barrels, so I think there was a much wider variety of weapons used than the film shows. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The Rangers only wore Woodland camo RBA (Ranger Body Armor) vests and desert-camo PASGT helmets during the operation (see the "Interesting Uniform Note" section above for info about the desert camo patterns used in the film). Black vests were Delta-issue only. Sort of like present-day spec. ops units using Dragon Skin vests while the main Army uses Interceptor/IOTV vests (though it's not as easy to tell the difference between the modern-day examples by looking at them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the book there was specific mention of a couple of the Rangers being stuck with the Delta "Turtle" Armor because they didn't have enough of the Ranger vests for a while.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 09:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, that explains photos like the following one then (also, note the Colt carbines with M4 type barrels the Rangers are carrying.)
:[[Image:RangersM4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Also, can anyone shed some light as to what is going on with this SAW:
:[[Image:Saw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:First off, isn't this an E2, rather than the E1 as the main article says was used by the Rangers? Also, why does it look like the receiver is made of different metal, and is the sight mount a standard fitting, or something cobbled together? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing the book mentions is that Delta's Armorer played gunsmith for some of the Ranger guys (at least 1 customized SAW is mentioned).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

that part of the book is referring to Spc. Waddell's SAW and i believe is was a grip that was put on. i would also like to shed some light on the fact that in 1993 only the Armys Special Ops like Delta Force had that kind of ability on their weapons, and now every soldier on the battlefield has the ability to put on optics, lights, lasers, and stocks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the part I was referring to, although I remember there being more than just a grip added, but its been a while. Also Rangers aren't basic infantry, they too are a part of USASOC. and in a combat zone leeway with weapons (also uniforms, gear, etc) is pretty much at the command's discretion. I believe that they would allow Rangers a bit of leeway with modifying their weapons in certain ways to enhance their effectiveness in a given environment. Spc. Waddell's SAW grip would have been noticed by his command at some point, and either him or the Delta armorer would have had to get permission to modify it, being that it is US Gov property (not to mention the other customized weapons we see in Ranger's hands in photos).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing. Why do some people call it an "M4" type barrel? I mean it's a rifle in service before the M4 came out, so shouldn't it NOT be called an M4 barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

You got me on that one... Probably because most people know the "M203 Step" Barrel as an M4 feature, so it gets genericised as an "M4 Profile Barrel".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean didn't they have the step down barrel before the M4 came about? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe so, but it would have only been within a couple years of the M4s debut (the Colt 727 comes to mind). Another reason would be marketing, people will pay more for a milspec carbine that has the "M203 step barrel" so companies market the rifles as having "M4 profile barrels".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Is this the only film to have someone shooting an M16 on burst-fire mode? ==

I would kinda doubt it, but it's the only time I've ever seen it. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 06:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

You referring to when Daniel Busch is sliding out from under the Walcott bird? That's the only time I remember. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 07:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

He's referring to a point where one of the Rangers kills an approaching Somali with a three round burst from his M-16A2. Sgt. Busch is using an M727 and fires quick single shots to kill the miltia approaching the Blackhawk. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, can remember any burst stuff, I'll re-watch it after work. And I'm very aware Busch had a 727. I wonder why Gary Gordons rifle wasn't on burst in the movie, it was in real life. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 15:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

They're referring to the part near the end when the rangers are running out of the city and one of them guns down a woman who picks up a rifle. As for burst mode: most likely the M16 in question was a full auto weapon (as virtually all of them in Hollywood are) and the actor simply fired a couple of short bursts (possibly with some editing done by the sound and special effects teams) to make in appear as though he was using burst mode.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== RPG Shooting ==

I was just looking through the section regarding the RPGs, and noticed something peculiar. Look at the shooter in the first picture. Now look at the guy in the second. Now back at the first. Is it just me, or are the two guys shooting down the two different helicopters from two different places actually the ''exact same guy''? Notice the matching folds in their clothing, and the cloth wrapped around their heads, and their silhouettes. They're all identical. Anyone else see what I'm seeing? [[User:August.allocco|August.allocco]] 18:20, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

== M16A2 ==

I think The M16A2's in the film are actual real ones. the lower reciever is that of an actual A2, and they fire in two modes only, Semi and 3 round burst.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==Question==

Why was Gordon's 727 suppressed? In the book, it says that he was providing sniper cover from the air until he landed to defend the downed Black Hawk, but wouldn't it make more sense to fire unsuppressed. I mean, why would he worry about making too much noise when theres a battle going on? And wouldn't this decrease the muzzle velocity, surely that would make sniping from the air much harder.

==M16A2s==
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
It seems that all of the so-called "M16A2s" have forward assists and are probably M16A1s with M16A2 handguards or mocked up to resemble an M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 10:16, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

Not to sound disrespectful but what the hell are you talking about? The M16 in that screenshot clearly has the A2 sights and the A2s have forward assists as well. They are not A1s with A2 handguards because of the A2 sights. They could possibly have A1 lowers to make them fully automatic as opposed to firing 3 round bursts like the A2 does. But externally they are definitely an M16A2. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:03, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:Makes sense as MPM2008's images of the M16A2 are M16A2s with A1 lower receivers as one user pointed out, which caused some confusion for me when I started learning about the M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 14:55, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:: The point is those could actually be real deal M16A2s as they fire semi auto in every shot apart from at the end where one Ranger fires what looks like a 3 round burst anyway. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:40, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
Firstly M16A2s have forward assists, so there is no reason that having the FA would make it an A1. Secondly, the guns have brass deflectors (triangular protrusion behind the ejection port) which A2s have and A1s don't. Thirdly these guns have the more complicated adjustable rear sights of A2s. The guns in this film do use M16A1 pattern lower receivers, as noted by the lack of reinforcement around the takedown pins, but I don't think they are actually Colt lowers as the M16A1 type lowers didn't have the fire selector markings stamped on the right side of the gun. Also, MPM2008's image of an M16A2 is correct, it is the M16A1 images which have the wrong lower receiver (not a standard Colt lower as it has the front reinforcement of an A2, but like the A1 lacks the rear reinforcement and right side fire selector stampings). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:07, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::Hold on. Upon seeing this picture, I started wondering why some of the Army or Special Forces personnel will have their rifle stock and or end of magazine taped with different colours? Is it just a habit or to serve other purposes?
:::The tape on the magazine is to make it easier to grip, since STANAG magazines are fairly smooth; I guess it's the same theory with the stock. Tape can also be used to mark magazines for easier recognition of special loads (say, a tracer-heavy magazine for marking targets). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:29, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::I think the tape on the stock is actually something to do with the way the sling is attached on to the rifle. They don't seem to be using the sling loop at the bottom of the stock, instead I think it is just attached to paracord wrapped around the stock and held in place with the tape. The main reasons I have seen for wrapping tape around the bottom of a magazine was to hold a loop of paracord in place to make it easier to get the magazine out of a webbing pouch (the pre Magpul solution) or for marking magazine loads as Evil Tim said. This is not the case here so I suppose it must be for grip, but seems odd that the tape is around the middle of the magazine rather than the bottom, where the the magazine would be held to get it out of a pouch. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::Sorry, but when do they fire the guns on full auto? I saw the movie not too long ago and i only saw them fireing on semi and 3 round burst. I never saw a full auto one. --[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
::::::Right towards the end of the film one of the Rangers fires two quick bursts. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I'm just watching the movie to look out for burst/auto, but jsut noticed something else. Can't screencap blurays, but at 50 minuted in as Eversmann is watching the first blackhawk go down you see the butt of his rifle, showing that it is from an A1 rifle. Also, at 40:30 when Hoot is pushing gown the heads of the prisoners as they are captured, the Delta behind him has a CAR-15 with 10" barrel, no forward assist or brass deflector, and possibly a partial fence lower (out of focus and hard to tell), making it an XM177, also called GAU-5/A. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:22, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::: ok, but Cool-breeze, you just said he fired two quick BURSTS. Not a full auto drag. I just rewatched that scene and he fired two quick THREE round bursts.--[[UserGunner5|Gunner5]]
:::::::::Yeah but the likelihood that it is an M16A2 with an A2 lower is very remote as pretty much every motion picture M16A2 I've seen fires full auto at some point. The only way to find out if it has a burst lower is if there is a decent screen grab so we can read the markings on the receiver. I think Black Hawk Down is the only film I've seen an A2 not firing full auto if it's not firing on semi. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:46, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::::::::The guy fires 2 bursts, the second of which sound like it might have been 4, but it is off-screen so that proves nothing. These rifles have A1 lowers which would suggest that they are full auto. However in the screencap above, the third position (although hard to read) looks more like burst than auto. Swinging it back the other way though, A1 receivers shouldn't have selector markings on this side, so it is either a non Colt lower so could be burst or auto, or it has been engraved by the armourer to replicate an A2 so wouldn't necessarily be correct. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:00, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

can anyone tell me why the buttstocks are taped?-2ndCommandos

== M249/FN Minimi ==

This page lists Twombly's (and others') weapon as an FN Minimi standing in for an M249-E1.

However, the weapon in the movie clearly has U.S. M249-style rear sights, which was the main differentiator from the FN design it was based on.

I believe that the weapon is really a M249 (first edition, before the E1), not a FN Minimi.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Down#FN_Minimi

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi

:Problem is, from looking things up more recent Minimis have started using the SAW rear sight. Wikipedia's article on the Minimi has pictures of Swedish and Australian soldiers with SAW-rear-sight Minimis. IMO, these are more likely to be Minimis with new top covers than 1980s-vintage unimproved SAWs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:07, 25 December 2011 (CST)

Black Hawk Down

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Sgtmonroe: /* Colt M4 carbine */ CORRECTED THE SECTION DUE TO MIS-INFORMATION

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During the Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying CW3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with "replica" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators (they do not appear to be original Colt moderators, but instead appear to be "commercial" copies). One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 Carbine==
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 Carbine]] anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous ''"This is my safety."'' scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine ([[M16 rifle series#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt Model Number 6520]]) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handled mounted in placed and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.

Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by [[Eric Bana]], during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine [[Eric Bana|Bana]] utilizes during the rest of the film.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] finger pointing to the safety on the rubber stunt M4 Carbine being carried by [[Eric Bana]].]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with a rubber stunt M4 Carbine.]]

===Special===

[[Image:DX002A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Three extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of ''Black Hawk Down''. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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Black Hawk Down

2013-10-22T17:54:31Z

Sgtmonroe: SPLIT MODEL 727 AND 733 INTO TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS - DID AWAY WITH SOME NONSENSE IN THE SECTIONS

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Black Hawk Down
|picture = Black hawk down ver1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Ridley Scott
|date= 2001
|language = English
|studio=Revolution Studios
|distributor=Columbia Pictures
|character1=Matt Eversmann
|actor1=[[Josh Hartnett]]
|character2=Norm "Hoot" Gibson
|actor2=[[Eric Bana]]
|character3=John Grimes
|actor3=[[Ewan McGregor]]
|character4=Danny McKnight
|actor4=[[Tom Sizemore]]
|character5=Jeff Sanderson
|actor5=[[William Fichtner]]
|character6=William F. Garrison
|actor6=[[Sam Shepard]]
}}
'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Black Hawk Down''':''

=Rifles=
== Colt Model 727 Carbine ==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, ''portraying'' Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Carbine]]"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is ''CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER'' (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.

In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During the Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.

[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] (portraying SSG Daniel Busch) with a Model 727 carbine equipped with a M68 reflex sight. A Surefire flashlight pressure switch is taped to the carbine's handguard.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' [[Eric Bana]] (portraying the composite SFC "Hoot" Gibson) with a camouflage painted Model 727 carbine equipped with a SureFire flashlight (with pressure switch taped to the carbine's handguard) during the "aerial target shooting" scene. The actual shooting of the wild boar was based on a incident that involved SGT Jim Smith.]]
[[Image:BHD003.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Kim Coates]] (portraying MSG Tim "Grizz" Martin) with a Model 727 carbine from a deleted scene later included in the '''''Black Hawk Down Extended Cut'''''.]]
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[William Fichtner]] (portraying the fictional (but based on SFC Paul Howe) SFC Sanderson) with a Model 727 carbine.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Eric Bana]] with the same camouflaged Model 727 carbine as above.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Richard Tyson]] with a Model 727 carbine during the defense of the Wolcott crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|[[William Fichtner]] with a Model 727 carbine during the "Mogadishu Mile" scenes.]]

==Colt Model 733 Commando==

Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, ''portraying'' both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "[[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|M16A2 Commando]]". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1" upper receiver)]]

[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] (portraying Ranger CPT Mike Steele) with a Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Jason Isaacs]] with the same Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Hugh Dancy]] (portraying a "Ranger version" of SFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid, who was actually a Delta Force medic/operator) with a Model 733 Commando. The 100mph tape on the weapon's cartridge magazine was done to make the cartridge magazines easier to grasp and pull out of a pouch. Allegedly this film was one of the first to depict this practice.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] (portraying MSG Gary Gordon) with a camouflage painted and suppressed Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] with the customized Model 733 Commando during the defense of the Durant crash site scenes.]]
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|[[Ron Eldard]] (portraying CW3 Mike Durant) with the customized Model 733 Commando that [[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]] had been utilizing.]]

At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with "replica" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators (they do not appear to be original Colt moderators, but instead appear to be "commercial" copies). One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).

[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.]]
[[Image:BHD 2006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.]]
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.]]

==Colt M4 carbine==
Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) seems to use an [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4 carbine]] with the same customizations and paint job as the Commando rifles when doing solo operations in Somalia, noted by its removable carry handle. He uses it to shoot a wild boar from a chopper, and is chastised by CPT Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) for keeping the weapon's safety off in the barracks. One of the Deltas is also seen using an M4 carbine during the operation itself.

A bit of anachronism here, both the M4 and M4A1 entered service in 1997, 4 years after the events of this film (in 1993), so the M4 should technically not be in Hoot's hands. The probable reason was the fact that most of the earlier M16 Carbines are hard to come by, so they needed something to fill that gap.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4 carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Hey, who's hungry?!"'' Hoot readies his M4 carbine to shoot a wild boar. Note flashlight pressure switch attached to the handguards with electric tape. Also note that Hoot racks the action twice; once when he boards the chopper, and another time when he readies to shoot the boar.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CPT Steele points out to Hoot that, whether an undisciplined Delta Operator or not, his M4 carbine should be safeties-on at all times on base. Hoot then replies, ''"This is my safety"'', and bends his trigger finger. Note the knobs on the carry handle used to remove it from the gun and custom pistol grip are those typically seen on the M4 (which was not in service at the time of the raid). Also note that this particular weapon is quite clearly a rubber prop version, which are normally used only for stunt work.]]
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Delta operator breaches and clears with an M4 carbine in hand. Note the removable carry handle.]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifles]]. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his [[M14]]. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.]]
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SSG Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "''In the Company of Heroes''" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper. ]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt and the battery slot on the Aimpoint is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart fires his M14 in defense of the second crash site.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M16A1 rifles hanging in the dealer's shop on the top left of this screenshot along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Moments before his epileptic seizure, LT Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching a scene from ''[[The Jerk]]'' where the Madman ([[M. Emmet Walsh]]) is seen firing a scoped M16A1.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militiaman picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider and magazine removed.]]

==CETME==
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spanish CETME rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, actual [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somali to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle brake added on.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==

Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Somali militiamen running with Type 56-1 rifles.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA of the operation, SGT Dominic Pilla.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his 56-1.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali kills SGT Joyce (Chris Beetem) with a shot to his back with a Type 56-1. Note the $150 Ray-Ban shades on a Somali Gunman.]]
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somali's 56-1.]]

== AKS-74U ==

Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somali militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==SVD Dragunov==
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An SVD Dragunov is seen in the background over Hoot's shoulder. (Interesting anachronism here: the shades, Oakley Juliets, worn by actor Eric Bana did not exist during the events of this film.)]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 machine gun ==
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 GPMG - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson fires his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Note the stray dog running next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Director [[Ridley Scott]] decided to keep them in the shots to improve the realism. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
===Special===
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

== FN Minimi ==

Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.

[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN Minimi with 200-round ammo drum - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]

== Browning M2HB ==
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB in vehicle mounting - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BHD 022.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's gunmen open fire on the crowd at the food distribution center with the Browning M2.]]
[[Image:BHD 025.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|An Army Humvee with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof, actually a rubber prop as shown when the barrel bounces when the Humvee goes over some bumps.]]
[[Image:BHD 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SGT Dominic Pilla ([[Danny Hoch]]) fires the M2HB from his Humvee as they evac an injured Ranger back to base.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB.]]
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot was actually wearing Nomex gloves, as seen in the screencap above.)]]
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A mean-faced Somali awaits to fire on the Rangers with the M2HB.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with [[GE_M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|General Dynamics GAU-17/A]] miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 ''Little Birds''.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A GE GAU-17/A minigun on the MH-60 Black Hawk as it transports Rangers and Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" supplies close air support with its twin GE GAU-17/A miniguns.]]
[[Image:BHD 006.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MH-60 door gunner provides cover fire with a GE GAU-17/A. Note that the helicopter's name seen on the fuselage is ''[[Armageddon]]''.]]
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the GAU-17/A as it fires on RPG gunners.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==

Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShK - 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Somali militia leader Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]) rides a "technical" mounted with a DShK.]]
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]

== Zastava M72B1 ==
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun#Zastava M72B1|Zastava M72B1]], a copy of the [[RPK light machine gun]], identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.

[[Image:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M72B1 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires his Zastava M72B1 at the downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72B1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Somali uses his Zastava M72B1 to pin down the Rangers and Delta operatives.]]

== PKM Light Machine Gun ==

A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somali arms dealer's shop.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PKM light machine gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]]s. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.

[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with slim handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|While trapped in his pilot seat, CWO3 Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) prepares to defend himself with his H&K MP5A3.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHD 018.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Durant continues firing his H&K MP5A3 as the Delta snipers extract him from his downed Black Hawk.]]
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) is firing the MP5A3 as he is shot.]]
===Special===
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor holds Durant's MP5A3 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an [[Knight's Armament Masterkey|870 Masterkey]] attached to his CAR-15.

[[Image:Black870folder.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]

=Handguns=

==M1911A1==
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force MSG Wex ([[Kim Coates]]) shows the Rangers what a .45 can do.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MSG Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster-Waldau]]) fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point, his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) fires his M1911A1 while defending the second crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Despite being wounded, SFC Shughart continues to fire his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". Note the left-hand safety lever]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close up of the TT-33]]

== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistol (standing in for the [[Beretta 92FS|M9]]) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McKnight is seen armed with his 92FS when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]
[[Image:B92FS-BHD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ranger in the middle sprints with his Beretta 92FS during the famous "Mogadishu Mile" scene.]]

=Launchers=
== RPG-7 ==

The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski ([[Brendan Sexton III]]), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An antitank grenade being fired at a Black Hawk. It is obviously CGI, since there is no backblast.]]
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A milita member fires the RPG that takes down Super Six One, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales the deuce and a half driver, PFC Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III).]]

==Norinco Type 69 RPG==
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69 RPG|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 40mm.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member with a Type 69 RPG. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A militia member behind Mo'alim with a Type 69 RPG. Clearly visible here is the larger warhead of the PG-7VL rocket]]

== M72 LAW ==

An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]

== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==

At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
[[Image:Spg-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPG-9 recoilless rifle - 73mm]]
[[Image:BHD 010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Aidid's militia prepare to fire the SPG-9 Recoilless on the Rangers and Deltas who are holed-up at the first crash site.]]
[[Image:BHD 012.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After eliminating the recoilless operators, Hoot and another Delta operator prepare to fire the SPG-9 recoilless rifle on the militia.]]
[[Image:BHD 009.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) fires the recoilless rifle.]]

==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==
Many of the Rangers' [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) of CPT Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart.

[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger behind CPT Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steele gives the dying SGT Ruiz ([[Enrique Murciano]]) his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==

While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher (40mm) mounted on a M16A2 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) fires his M203.]]
[[Image:BlackHawk 6006.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes's ([[Ewan McGregor]]) depiction of recoil is exaggerated.]]
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade.]]
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Here, the trigger guard appears to have been removed.]]

=Grenades=
== M67 Hand Grenade ==

While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hoot tapes up the pins on the M67 Hand Grenades before the mission.]]
[[Image:Deltaforce_blackhawkdown_m67.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|SFC Sanderson throwing an M67 at a Somali in a window.]]

== AN/M14 Incendiary Grenade ==

There are several appearances in the film of [[AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]s; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.

[[Image:AN-M14 Incendiary Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AN/M14 incendiary grenade (far left) on a table]]

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== Hoot's "M4" ==
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== This probably isn't very important, but... ==
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, correctness is a virtue. Good on you for doing it. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:39, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapon used by delta force ==

M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15

: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4
:How is the stock "wrong"? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, I remember that passage. Thanks for the quote. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''

:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that "IT'S A MOVIE".-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Your point about "It's a movie" is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the "It's a movie" logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace "Actor" with "pick a gun". Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake? ==
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think

::::::Those of you who were saying he was denying the enemy are correct. You'll notice that he doesn't pocket the magazine. He tosses it away. He didn't field strip it because he likely didn't know how. So the easiest thing to do would be to unload it and throw the magazine away. I was in the military and we were trained to be observant and look for things that would compromise security (like unsecured enemy weapons). One thing you never do is use ammo you find lying around on the street, and in any case, M14Fanboy was right in that the calibers of the US weapons were totally incompatible with the Soviet rounds. Smashing the rifle would have taken time and energy that needed to be spent elsewhere. Besides, it's a rifle...not an airsoft gun. Have you ever tried to smash a real AK? There's a reason it's been in service for so many years... [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:52, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

::::: I believe it was because he was firing his M14 until it ran out of ammo, and then using a helo crew member's M16 before retreating to reload both rifles.:::

:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mike Durant's Book ==
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them).
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:I just stared reading Durant's "In the Company of Heroes" before he called it a "German piece of crap", he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a "High-Tech rifle" it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Hand ==
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was always under the assumption that it was taken to be put to rest with the rest of the body. Never leave a soldier behind.
That all said, i was always told by SF soldier i knew that they were trained to even go as far as to scoop up vomit they might have left to not leave behind any traces of themselves. -MissySummers-

The film (as everyone knows) took liberally from Mark Bowden's book. The film splits one incident ("the hand" and the "RPG in the chest") into two different scenes. According to Bowden's book (and the actual accounts of the Rangers) the hand belonged to SP4 Richard 'Alphabet' Kowalewski. It was blown off when an RPG hit him in the chest (while in the cab of a truck), but did not explode. PFC Clay Othic was in the truck when the RPG hit, but did not pick up Kowalewski's hand. It was SP4 Aaron Hand (ironic?) that "found the lower portion of Alphabet's arm on the street. All that remained intact was the hand. He picked it up and put it in his side pants pocket. He didn't know what else to do, and it didn't feel right leaving it behind." (quoted portion from Bowden's book "Black Hawk Down"). So, the film split the one incident into two scenes. The first scene of Othic picking up a hand, that in the film, could not have belonged to Kowalewski and the second (and later) scene of Kowalewski being hit and killed by the RPG rocket that did not explode. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:41, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

==Flashlight Attachment Help==
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.

:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==M4 in 1994?==
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?

:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he

The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.

:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them. There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''

::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the "M4". The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested. Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use. Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS. I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year. These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world. All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...

== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)

::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i dont know if he was actually using it, but in the movie version i think were supposed to think he took from a crew chief (since they carried an m16a2

the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)

Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says "Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck." just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==

Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.

--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Which is funny, because when Griz is drawing in the barracks and Busch walks up behind him, he calls him "Griz." But not "all" Delta had their names changed. Norm Hooten was really there, but for the movie they combined him with John Macejunas. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:04, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering "Fuckin' Delta..."--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

on topic of 1911s does anyone know what kind of 1911s they really used? for example i find it hard to believe they would be using normal 1911s when the MK.IVs were out

-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.

I read somewhere that Delta Operators are given an allowance to pay for their 1911 and any customisations they want done to it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:59, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==

The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.
:Isn't GAU-17 an Air Force designation? When the weapon is in Army use isn't it still referred to as the M-134? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:15, 2 February 2013 (EST)
::Yes, but it is the designation for a particular variant of the M134 which is what was used in the film. As far as I know there is no Army designation for this variant so I can only assume that they refer to it as the GAU-17/A. If not, using this term is still clearer than "M134 variant that would be the GAU-17/A if it was in the USAF". I'm guessing the term is universal, as the Navy use it for airborne mountings and refer to it as the GAUSE-17/A (with the SE standing for Shipboard Equipment) when it is mounted to the deck of a ship for point defence. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:42, 2 February 2013 (EST)

== Remington 870 Shotgun ==

Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a "Masterkey" configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.

As indicated on the main page and above (by an unknown poster), the Remington 870 Shotgun is seen being used by an extra/stuntman to breech a door right after being dropped by the Little Birds. The extra/stuntman IS NOT William Fichtner as evidenced by the images below - his individual equipment does not match that of Fichtner's. Further there are "on set" photographs showing at least one extra/stuntman equipped with the same type Remington 870 in addition to the one carried by Fichtner. The scene is from the "Black Hawk Down Extended Cut," NOT a "director's cut" (as the unknown person posted above). Ridley Scott has yet to do a "director's cut" of "Black Hawk Down," and I doubt he ever will due to his negative feelings about how the [[Alien]] and [[Blade Runner]] Director's Cuts turned out.
[[Image:BHD001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman preparing to fire a Remington 870. He also carries one of the rubber stunt prop M4 carbines that appear throughout the film in the hands of different extras, stuntmen, and actors. Note: there were no actual "firing" M4 carbines utilized in the film - only rubber stunt props of them.]]
[[Image:BHD002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman firing a Remington 870.]]
Further, MSG (SFC in 1993) Paul Howe did indeed carry, and utilize, a CAR-15 (his was a Colt Model 653) with a 12-gage shotgun mounted on it (at least two photographs exist of him with the weapon prior to the operation). The term "Masterkey" is anachronistic as Knight's Armament came up with the term years later. At the time (1993) Ciener was the only company producing a shotgun mount for M16-series rifles and carbines. They simply called it an "under/over mount." [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:24, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Rescue Heli Star 41 ==

The AH-6, that inbounds to Wolcott's crash site (Star 41), has miniguns and rocket pods. The helicopter that is finally landing at the chrashed Black Hawk hasn't any weapons onboard, so probably a MH-6.
:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flashlights ==
I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them? I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.

:Actors probably forgot or were never told [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings. They're better for room clearing. Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v
:Not to mention a flashlight beam in that environment would scream, "here I am, shoot me!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==
Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile? It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open. That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm. Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actor in the Specials ==

Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

That's Jeremy Piven, nowadays best known for playing Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage. Wikipedia says he played CFO Clifton Wolcott.

:I do not think it Piven. In the film he plays a pilot role and his hair is black.
http://files.haiguinet.com/flashupload/UploadedFiles/1252005569_159Jeremy_Piven.jpg
http://emsworth.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jeremy-piven-in-black-hawk-down-2.jpg
When I put the photos on the page, before to name him "delta actor", I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not Piven. Maybe he's a stand-in or something. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:06, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Seriously ==
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that. Fun fact. Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us. The solution? Flight gloves. They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you. I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work. I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

:::- ''Uh, I had replied below I didn't know about these gloves specifically, which you seem to have failed to notice. Just as you also seem to have failed to notice that all these comments you posted this slightly irritable and unnecessary response in-between were all posted '''days ago'''. It might help if you thoroughly read the comments and check the dates next time.'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you "operators"?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Flight gloves are a very thin layer of Nomex with a Clarino palm and finger overlaid. These are very light, wick sweat, and give you tactile feeling and the ability to perform tasks as though you were bare handed. They are maybe a few mm thick on the palms, and do not affect in any way your shooting ability or accuracy, even whilst firing an M249, which is notorious for running away due to gloves getting stuck and holding the trigger back.

:::I was in the Army for 9 years, and I wore flight gloves all the time during exercises. I never had a problem with them whatsoever. I was a SAW gunner as well. Whoever posted that caption about trained operators not wearing gloves is an idiot. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:14, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Discussion about the bullets, or something==
- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued "green tip" rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a "weapon switch to show he is an elite operator" shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There are other reasons as well. It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have. It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much. As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue. When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue. There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument. I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that). But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was the GC or HC and didn't really care to look it up at the moment.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new "expanding" round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official "military force" that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there. A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers. As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document. It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others. Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances full metal jacket .556 is an ideal round. When fighting a traditional battle, against an enemy that follows the rules of war, it is far better to wound the enemy than kill him. Gunner313

We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One could say that the First Gulf War was conventional. we were fighting an organized military(Iraq), i still think they were a bunch of crazy towel heads hellbent on destroying the western world.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Why is it better to wound them? -SasquatchJim.

Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I apologize; I thought he meant that wounding them was more humane, or something. Although, dead people can't keep shooting at you; wounded ones can. -SasquatchJim

It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc... Gunner313

Makes sense to me. Thanks. -SJ

Well in my opinion, I still think it's better to kill the enemy rather than just wound them, that way they don't get patched up and come back later to kill you.

agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Never Forget==
Sorry to post as anon, but I dont have an account but frequent the site. Just wanted to point out that today is the 17th anniversary of the US intervention in Somalia.

:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Interesting Uniform Note==

Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color "chocolate chip" camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color "coffee stain" pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990's and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCU's with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.

[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tom Hardy]] wielding an FN Minimi as Spc. Twombly, giving us a good look at his 3-color DCU uniform and 6-color helmet cover]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti) gun ==

What gun have Mo'alim in his shoulder? He don't remove it from the shoulder at any time, but there are two scenes where you can see:

1 When prevents the killing of Duran:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/

2 When the cannon is firing in the area of the first downed helicopter:
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/

are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Doc Schmid ==
In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.

Maybe they forgot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:This is somewhat unrelated, but I found it really funny that Schmid is played by the same actor who later played [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185836/ Adam]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==tapeing==
i was just watching this , and i noticed that a majority of the rangers taped the ends of the butt stocks on their rifles . Why is that?-[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
:I believe that tape was used (not quite sure how) to attach the sling to the butt of the rifle. Tape is also used at the front of the rifle, to attach a loop of para cord around the front sight to the sling. The reason this was done was so that the sling would be attached on the top/side of the weapon, rather than the bottom (where the only fitted sling loops are) to make it more usable in combat. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

i noticed nearly all the mag's have brown tape on them, any reasons for this, or is it just purely cosmetic? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

STANAG Magazines are smooth and can be hard to grip on to to reload, especially in a high stress situation like combat. The tape helps you to grip the magazine for a speedy reload, MAGPUL makes sleeves that slide over them now. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 3:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Nelson's M60 ==

Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4? I'm not sure when the E3 or E4 came out.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 03:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The M60 used in the film is an original spec M60, the same as were actually used by the Rangers in Somalia (As identified by the hand guard and bi-pod attaching at the end of the barrel). Not sure exactly when the E3 was made (started being issues in 1986), but I know there was one in the 1985 film [[Commando]]. Regardless, I don't think it was that widely used, as the lighter weight barrel and other parts made the gun more prone to overheating and malfunction. The rangers actually used a mix of M60s and FN MAGs as shown below:
:[[Image:101120ritchie20pursley8yp.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
:Also, there has been talk on this page about what the actual weapons used by Delta where, and I cannot speak to this operation in particular, but in most of the photos I have seen of Delta force in Somalia, there are actually armed with M16A2s, normally with a telescopic sight mounted onto the carry handle (example below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9607/21820burns20weaver6az.jpg
::Delta operators in Somalia used Colt Model 723 carbines with M4 style barrel, at least watching the few pictures of that time. --[[User:Pz.Abt.100|X-Ray Bravo 6]] 13:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Did the Rangers at the time use a black ballistic vest in addition to the woodland RBAs? While searching for M60 photos saw several photos of people in black vests carrying M16A2s with an optic on the handle, also sometimes carrying shotguns and LAWs. Are these likely Rangers rather than Delta then? Also, there are pictures of rangers using colt carbines with the step down M4 type barrels, so I think there was a much wider variety of weapons used than the film shows. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The Rangers only wore Woodland camo RBA (Ranger Body Armor) vests and desert-camo PASGT helmets during the operation (see the "Interesting Uniform Note" section above for info about the desert camo patterns used in the film). Black vests were Delta-issue only. Sort of like present-day spec. ops units using Dragon Skin vests while the main Army uses Interceptor/IOTV vests (though it's not as easy to tell the difference between the modern-day examples by looking at them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the book there was specific mention of a couple of the Rangers being stuck with the Delta "Turtle" Armor because they didn't have enough of the Ranger vests for a while.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 09:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, that explains photos like the following one then (also, note the Colt carbines with M4 type barrels the Rangers are carrying.)
:[[Image:RangersM4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Also, can anyone shed some light as to what is going on with this SAW:
:[[Image:Saw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:First off, isn't this an E2, rather than the E1 as the main article says was used by the Rangers? Also, why does it look like the receiver is made of different metal, and is the sight mount a standard fitting, or something cobbled together? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing the book mentions is that Delta's Armorer played gunsmith for some of the Ranger guys (at least 1 customized SAW is mentioned).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

that part of the book is referring to Spc. Waddell's SAW and i believe is was a grip that was put on. i would also like to shed some light on the fact that in 1993 only the Armys Special Ops like Delta Force had that kind of ability on their weapons, and now every soldier on the battlefield has the ability to put on optics, lights, lasers, and stocks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the part I was referring to, although I remember there being more than just a grip added, but its been a while. Also Rangers aren't basic infantry, they too are a part of USASOC. and in a combat zone leeway with weapons (also uniforms, gear, etc) is pretty much at the command's discretion. I believe that they would allow Rangers a bit of leeway with modifying their weapons in certain ways to enhance their effectiveness in a given environment. Spc. Waddell's SAW grip would have been noticed by his command at some point, and either him or the Delta armorer would have had to get permission to modify it, being that it is US Gov property (not to mention the other customized weapons we see in Ranger's hands in photos).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing. Why do some people call it an "M4" type barrel? I mean it's a rifle in service before the M4 came out, so shouldn't it NOT be called an M4 barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

You got me on that one... Probably because most people know the "M203 Step" Barrel as an M4 feature, so it gets genericised as an "M4 Profile Barrel".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean didn't they have the step down barrel before the M4 came about? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe so, but it would have only been within a couple years of the M4s debut (the Colt 727 comes to mind). Another reason would be marketing, people will pay more for a milspec carbine that has the "M203 step barrel" so companies market the rifles as having "M4 profile barrels".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Is this the only film to have someone shooting an M16 on burst-fire mode? ==

I would kinda doubt it, but it's the only time I've ever seen it. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 06:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

You referring to when Daniel Busch is sliding out from under the Walcott bird? That's the only time I remember. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 07:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

He's referring to a point where one of the Rangers kills an approaching Somali with a three round burst from his M-16A2. Sgt. Busch is using an M727 and fires quick single shots to kill the miltia approaching the Blackhawk. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, can remember any burst stuff, I'll re-watch it after work. And I'm very aware Busch had a 727. I wonder why Gary Gordons rifle wasn't on burst in the movie, it was in real life. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 15:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

They're referring to the part near the end when the rangers are running out of the city and one of them guns down a woman who picks up a rifle. As for burst mode: most likely the M16 in question was a full auto weapon (as virtually all of them in Hollywood are) and the actor simply fired a couple of short bursts (possibly with some editing done by the sound and special effects teams) to make in appear as though he was using burst mode.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== RPG Shooting ==

I was just looking through the section regarding the RPGs, and noticed something peculiar. Look at the shooter in the first picture. Now look at the guy in the second. Now back at the first. Is it just me, or are the two guys shooting down the two different helicopters from two different places actually the ''exact same guy''? Notice the matching folds in their clothing, and the cloth wrapped around their heads, and their silhouettes. They're all identical. Anyone else see what I'm seeing? [[User:August.allocco|August.allocco]] 18:20, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

== M16A2 ==

I think The M16A2's in the film are actual real ones. the lower reciever is that of an actual A2, and they fire in two modes only, Semi and 3 round burst.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==Question==

Why was Gordon's 727 suppressed? In the book, it says that he was providing sniper cover from the air until he landed to defend the downed Black Hawk, but wouldn't it make more sense to fire unsuppressed. I mean, why would he worry about making too much noise when theres a battle going on? And wouldn't this decrease the muzzle velocity, surely that would make sniping from the air much harder.

==M16A2s==
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
It seems that all of the so-called "M16A2s" have forward assists and are probably M16A1s with M16A2 handguards or mocked up to resemble an M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 10:16, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

Not to sound disrespectful but what the hell are you talking about? The M16 in that screenshot clearly has the A2 sights and the A2s have forward assists as well. They are not A1s with A2 handguards because of the A2 sights. They could possibly have A1 lowers to make them fully automatic as opposed to firing 3 round bursts like the A2 does. But externally they are definitely an M16A2. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:03, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:Makes sense as MPM2008's images of the M16A2 are M16A2s with A1 lower receivers as one user pointed out, which caused some confusion for me when I started learning about the M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 14:55, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:: The point is those could actually be real deal M16A2s as they fire semi auto in every shot apart from at the end where one Ranger fires what looks like a 3 round burst anyway. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:40, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
Firstly M16A2s have forward assists, so there is no reason that having the FA would make it an A1. Secondly, the guns have brass deflectors (triangular protrusion behind the ejection port) which A2s have and A1s don't. Thirdly these guns have the more complicated adjustable rear sights of A2s. The guns in this film do use M16A1 pattern lower receivers, as noted by the lack of reinforcement around the takedown pins, but I don't think they are actually Colt lowers as the M16A1 type lowers didn't have the fire selector markings stamped on the right side of the gun. Also, MPM2008's image of an M16A2 is correct, it is the M16A1 images which have the wrong lower receiver (not a standard Colt lower as it has the front reinforcement of an A2, but like the A1 lacks the rear reinforcement and right side fire selector stampings). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:07, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::Hold on. Upon seeing this picture, I started wondering why some of the Army or Special Forces personnel will have their rifle stock and or end of magazine taped with different colours? Is it just a habit or to serve other purposes?
:::The tape on the magazine is to make it easier to grip, since STANAG magazines are fairly smooth; I guess it's the same theory with the stock. Tape can also be used to mark magazines for easier recognition of special loads (say, a tracer-heavy magazine for marking targets). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:29, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::I think the tape on the stock is actually something to do with the way the sling is attached on to the rifle. They don't seem to be using the sling loop at the bottom of the stock, instead I think it is just attached to paracord wrapped around the stock and held in place with the tape. The main reasons I have seen for wrapping tape around the bottom of a magazine was to hold a loop of paracord in place to make it easier to get the magazine out of a webbing pouch (the pre Magpul solution) or for marking magazine loads as Evil Tim said. This is not the case here so I suppose it must be for grip, but seems odd that the tape is around the middle of the magazine rather than the bottom, where the the magazine would be held to get it out of a pouch. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::Sorry, but when do they fire the guns on full auto? I saw the movie not too long ago and i only saw them fireing on semi and 3 round burst. I never saw a full auto one. --[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
::::::Right towards the end of the film one of the Rangers fires two quick bursts. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I'm just watching the movie to look out for burst/auto, but jsut noticed something else. Can't screencap blurays, but at 50 minuted in as Eversmann is watching the first blackhawk go down you see the butt of his rifle, showing that it is from an A1 rifle. Also, at 40:30 when Hoot is pushing gown the heads of the prisoners as they are captured, the Delta behind him has a CAR-15 with 10" barrel, no forward assist or brass deflector, and possibly a partial fence lower (out of focus and hard to tell), making it an XM177, also called GAU-5/A. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:22, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::: ok, but Cool-breeze, you just said he fired two quick BURSTS. Not a full auto drag. I just rewatched that scene and he fired two quick THREE round bursts.--[[UserGunner5|Gunner5]]
:::::::::Yeah but the likelihood that it is an M16A2 with an A2 lower is very remote as pretty much every motion picture M16A2 I've seen fires full auto at some point. The only way to find out if it has a burst lower is if there is a decent screen grab so we can read the markings on the receiver. I think Black Hawk Down is the only film I've seen an A2 not firing full auto if it's not firing on semi. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:46, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::::::::The guy fires 2 bursts, the second of which sound like it might have been 4, but it is off-screen so that proves nothing. These rifles have A1 lowers which would suggest that they are full auto. However in the screencap above, the third position (although hard to read) looks more like burst than auto. Swinging it back the other way though, A1 receivers shouldn't have selector markings on this side, so it is either a non Colt lower so could be burst or auto, or it has been engraved by the armourer to replicate an A2 so wouldn't necessarily be correct. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:00, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

can anyone tell me why the buttstocks are taped?-2ndCommandos

== M249/FN Minimi ==

This page lists Twombly's (and others') weapon as an FN Minimi standing in for an M249-E1.

However, the weapon in the movie clearly has U.S. M249-style rear sights, which was the main differentiator from the FN design it was based on.

I believe that the weapon is really a M249 (first edition, before the E1), not a FN Minimi.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Down#FN_Minimi

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi

:Problem is, from looking things up more recent Minimis have started using the SAW rear sight. Wikipedia's article on the Minimi has pictures of Swedish and Australian soldiers with SAW-rear-sight Minimis. IMO, these are more likely to be Minimis with new top covers than 1980s-vintage unimproved SAWs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:07, 25 December 2011 (CST)

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== Hoot's "M4" ==
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== This probably isn't very important, but... ==
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, correctness is a virtue. Good on you for doing it. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:39, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapon used by delta force ==

M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15

: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4
:How is the stock "wrong"? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, I remember that passage. Thanks for the quote. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''

:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that "IT'S A MOVIE".-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Your point about "It's a movie" is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the "It's a movie" logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace "Actor" with "pick a gun". Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake? ==
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think

::::::Those of you who were saying he was denying the enemy are correct. You'll notice that he doesn't pocket the magazine. He tosses it away. He didn't field strip it because he likely didn't know how. So the easiest thing to do would be to unload it and throw the magazine away. I was in the military and we were trained to be observant and look for things that would compromise security (like unsecured enemy weapons). One thing you never do is use ammo you find lying around on the street, and in any case, M14Fanboy was right in that the calibers of the US weapons were totally incompatible with the Soviet rounds. Smashing the rifle would have taken time and energy that needed to be spent elsewhere. Besides, it's a rifle...not an airsoft gun. Have you ever tried to smash a real AK? There's a reason it's been in service for so many years... [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:52, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

::::: I believe it was because he was firing his M14 until it ran out of ammo, and then using a helo crew member's M16 before retreating to reload both rifles.:::

:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mike Durant's Book ==
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them).
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:I just stared reading Durant's "In the Company of Heroes" before he called it a "German piece of crap", he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a "High-Tech rifle" it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Hand ==
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was always under the assumption that it was taken to be put to rest with the rest of the body. Never leave a soldier behind.
That all said, i was always told by SF soldier i knew that they were trained to even go as far as to scoop up vomit they might have left to not leave behind any traces of themselves. -MissySummers-

The film (as everyone knows) took liberally from Mark Bowden's book. The film splits one incident ("the hand" and the "RPG in the chest") into two different scenes. According to Bowden's book (and the actual accounts of the Rangers) the hand belonged to SP4 Richard 'Alphabet' Kowalewski. It was blown off when an RPG hit him in the chest (while in the cab of a truck), but did not explode. PFC Clay Othic was in the truck when the RPG hit, but did not pick up Kowalewski's hand. It was SP4 Aaron Hand (ironic?) that "found the lower portion of Alphabet's arm on the street. All that remained intact was the hand. He picked it up and put it in his side pants pocket. He didn't know what else to do, and it didn't feel right leaving it behind." (quoted portion from Bowden's book "Black Hawk Down"). So, the film split the one incident into two scenes. The first scene of Othic picking up a hand, that in the film, could not have belonged to Kowalewski and the second (and later) scene of Kowalewski being hit and killed by the RPG rocket that did not explode. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:41, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

==Flashlight Attachment Help==
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.

:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==M4 in 1994?==
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?

:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he

The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.

:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them. There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''

::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the "M4". The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested. Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use. Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS. I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year. These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world. All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...

== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)

::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i dont know if he was actually using it, but in the movie version i think were supposed to think he took from a crew chief (since they carried an m16a2

the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)

Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says "Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck." just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==

Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.

--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Which is funny, because when Griz is drawing in the barracks and Busch walks up behind him, he calls him "Griz." But not "all" Delta had their names changed. Norm Hooten was really there, but for the movie they combined him with John Macejunas. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:04, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering "Fuckin' Delta..."--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

on topic of 1911s does anyone know what kind of 1911s they really used? for example i find it hard to believe they would be using normal 1911s when the MK.IVs were out

-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.

I read somewhere that Delta Operators are given an allowance to pay for their 1911 and any customisations they want done to it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:59, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==

The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.
:Isn't GAU-17 an Air Force designation? When the weapon is in Army use isn't it still referred to as the M-134? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:15, 2 February 2013 (EST)
::Yes, but it is the designation for a particular variant of the M134 which is what was used in the film. As far as I know there is no Army designation for this variant so I can only assume that they refer to it as the GAU-17/A. If not, using this term is still clearer than "M134 variant that would be the GAU-17/A if it was in the USAF". I'm guessing the term is universal, as the Navy use it for airborne mountings and refer to it as the GAUSE-17/A (with the SE standing for Shipboard Equipment) when it is mounted to the deck of a ship for point defence. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:42, 2 February 2013 (EST)

== Remington 870 Shotgun ==

Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a "Masterkey" configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.

As indicated on the main page and above (by an unknown poster), the Remington 870 Shotgun is seen being used by an extra/stuntman to breech a door right after being dropped by the Little Birds. The extra/stuntman IS NOT William Fichtner as evidenced by the images below - his individual equipment does not match that of Fichtner's. Further there are "on set" photographs showing at least one extra/stuntman equipped with the same type Remington 870 in addition to the one carried by Fichtner. The scene is from the "Black Hawk Down Extended Cut," NOT a "director's cut" (as the unknown person posted above). Ridley Scott has yet to do a "director's cut" of "Black Hawk Down," and I doubt he ever will due to his negative feelings about how the [[Alien]] and [[Blade Runner]] Director's Cuts turned out.
[[Image:BHD001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman preparing to fire a Remington 870. He also carries one of the rubber stunt prop M4 carbines that appear throughout the film in the hands of different extras, stuntmen, and actors. Note: there were no actual "firing" M4 carbines utilized in the film - only rubber stunt props of them.]]
[[Image:BHD002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman firing a Remington 870.]]
Further, MSG Paul Howe did indeed carry, and utilize, a CAR-15 (his was a Colt Model 653) with a 12-gage shotgun mounted on it (at least two photographs exist of him with the weapon prior to the operation). The term "Masterkey" is anachronistic as Knight's Armament came up with the term years later. At the time (1993) Ciener was the only company producing a shotgun mount for M16-series rifles and carbines. They simply called it an "under/over mount." [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:24, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Rescue Heli Star 41 ==

The AH-6, that inbounds to Wolcott's crash site (Star 41), has miniguns and rocket pods. The helicopter that is finally landing at the chrashed Black Hawk hasn't any weapons onboard, so probably a MH-6.
:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flashlights ==
I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them? I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.

:Actors probably forgot or were never told [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings. They're better for room clearing. Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v
:Not to mention a flashlight beam in that environment would scream, "here I am, shoot me!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==
Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile? It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open. That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm. Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actor in the Specials ==

Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

That's Jeremy Piven, nowadays best known for playing Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage. Wikipedia says he played CFO Clifton Wolcott.

:I do not think it Piven. In the film he plays a pilot role and his hair is black.
http://files.haiguinet.com/flashupload/UploadedFiles/1252005569_159Jeremy_Piven.jpg
http://emsworth.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jeremy-piven-in-black-hawk-down-2.jpg
When I put the photos on the page, before to name him "delta actor", I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not Piven. Maybe he's a stand-in or something. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:06, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Seriously ==
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that. Fun fact. Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us. The solution? Flight gloves. They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you. I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work. I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

:::- ''Uh, I had replied below I didn't know about these gloves specifically, which you seem to have failed to notice. Just as you also seem to have failed to notice that all these comments you posted this slightly irritable and unnecessary response in-between were all posted '''days ago'''. It might help if you thoroughly read the comments and check the dates next time.'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you "operators"?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Flight gloves are a very thin layer of Nomex with a Clarino palm and finger overlaid. These are very light, wick sweat, and give you tactile feeling and the ability to perform tasks as though you were bare handed. They are maybe a few mm thick on the palms, and do not affect in any way your shooting ability or accuracy, even whilst firing an M249, which is notorious for running away due to gloves getting stuck and holding the trigger back.

:::I was in the Army for 9 years, and I wore flight gloves all the time during exercises. I never had a problem with them whatsoever. I was a SAW gunner as well. Whoever posted that caption about trained operators not wearing gloves is an idiot. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:14, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Discussion about the bullets, or something==
- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued "green tip" rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a "weapon switch to show he is an elite operator" shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There are other reasons as well. It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have. It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much. As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue. When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue. There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument. I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that). But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was the GC or HC and didn't really care to look it up at the moment.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new "expanding" round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official "military force" that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there. A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers. As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document. It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others. Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances full metal jacket .556 is an ideal round. When fighting a traditional battle, against an enemy that follows the rules of war, it is far better to wound the enemy than kill him. Gunner313

We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One could say that the First Gulf War was conventional. we were fighting an organized military(Iraq), i still think they were a bunch of crazy towel heads hellbent on destroying the western world.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Why is it better to wound them? -SasquatchJim.

Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I apologize; I thought he meant that wounding them was more humane, or something. Although, dead people can't keep shooting at you; wounded ones can. -SasquatchJim

It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc... Gunner313

Makes sense to me. Thanks. -SJ

Well in my opinion, I still think it's better to kill the enemy rather than just wound them, that way they don't get patched up and come back later to kill you.

agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Never Forget==
Sorry to post as anon, but I dont have an account but frequent the site. Just wanted to point out that today is the 17th anniversary of the US intervention in Somalia.

:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Interesting Uniform Note==

Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color "chocolate chip" camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color "coffee stain" pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990's and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCU's with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.

[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tom Hardy]] wielding an FN Minimi as Spc. Twombly, giving us a good look at his 3-color DCU uniform and 6-color helmet cover]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti) gun ==

What gun have Mo'alim in his shoulder? He don't remove it from the shoulder at any time, but there are two scenes where you can see:

1 When prevents the killing of Duran:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/

2 When the cannon is firing in the area of the first downed helicopter:
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/

are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Doc Schmid ==
In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.

Maybe they forgot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:This is somewhat unrelated, but I found it really funny that Schmid is played by the same actor who later played [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185836/ Adam]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==tapeing==
i was just watching this , and i noticed that a majority of the rangers taped the ends of the butt stocks on their rifles . Why is that?-[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
:I believe that tape was used (not quite sure how) to attach the sling to the butt of the rifle. Tape is also used at the front of the rifle, to attach a loop of para cord around the front sight to the sling. The reason this was done was so that the sling would be attached on the top/side of the weapon, rather than the bottom (where the only fitted sling loops are) to make it more usable in combat. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

i noticed nearly all the mag's have brown tape on them, any reasons for this, or is it just purely cosmetic? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

STANAG Magazines are smooth and can be hard to grip on to to reload, especially in a high stress situation like combat. The tape helps you to grip the magazine for a speedy reload, MAGPUL makes sleeves that slide over them now. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 3:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Nelson's M60 ==

Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4? I'm not sure when the E3 or E4 came out.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 03:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The M60 used in the film is an original spec M60, the same as were actually used by the Rangers in Somalia (As identified by the hand guard and bi-pod attaching at the end of the barrel). Not sure exactly when the E3 was made (started being issues in 1986), but I know there was one in the 1985 film [[Commando]]. Regardless, I don't think it was that widely used, as the lighter weight barrel and other parts made the gun more prone to overheating and malfunction. The rangers actually used a mix of M60s and FN MAGs as shown below:
:[[Image:101120ritchie20pursley8yp.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
:Also, there has been talk on this page about what the actual weapons used by Delta where, and I cannot speak to this operation in particular, but in most of the photos I have seen of Delta force in Somalia, there are actually armed with M16A2s, normally with a telescopic sight mounted onto the carry handle (example below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9607/21820burns20weaver6az.jpg
::Delta operators in Somalia used Colt Model 723 carbines with M4 style barrel, at least watching the few pictures of that time. --[[User:Pz.Abt.100|X-Ray Bravo 6]] 13:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Did the Rangers at the time use a black ballistic vest in addition to the woodland RBAs? While searching for M60 photos saw several photos of people in black vests carrying M16A2s with an optic on the handle, also sometimes carrying shotguns and LAWs. Are these likely Rangers rather than Delta then? Also, there are pictures of rangers using colt carbines with the step down M4 type barrels, so I think there was a much wider variety of weapons used than the film shows. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The Rangers only wore Woodland camo RBA (Ranger Body Armor) vests and desert-camo PASGT helmets during the operation (see the "Interesting Uniform Note" section above for info about the desert camo patterns used in the film). Black vests were Delta-issue only. Sort of like present-day spec. ops units using Dragon Skin vests while the main Army uses Interceptor/IOTV vests (though it's not as easy to tell the difference between the modern-day examples by looking at them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the book there was specific mention of a couple of the Rangers being stuck with the Delta "Turtle" Armor because they didn't have enough of the Ranger vests for a while.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 09:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, that explains photos like the following one then (also, note the Colt carbines with M4 type barrels the Rangers are carrying.)
:[[Image:RangersM4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Also, can anyone shed some light as to what is going on with this SAW:
:[[Image:Saw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:First off, isn't this an E2, rather than the E1 as the main article says was used by the Rangers? Also, why does it look like the receiver is made of different metal, and is the sight mount a standard fitting, or something cobbled together? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing the book mentions is that Delta's Armorer played gunsmith for some of the Ranger guys (at least 1 customized SAW is mentioned).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

that part of the book is referring to Spc. Waddell's SAW and i believe is was a grip that was put on. i would also like to shed some light on the fact that in 1993 only the Armys Special Ops like Delta Force had that kind of ability on their weapons, and now every soldier on the battlefield has the ability to put on optics, lights, lasers, and stocks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the part I was referring to, although I remember there being more than just a grip added, but its been a while. Also Rangers aren't basic infantry, they too are a part of USASOC. and in a combat zone leeway with weapons (also uniforms, gear, etc) is pretty much at the command's discretion. I believe that they would allow Rangers a bit of leeway with modifying their weapons in certain ways to enhance their effectiveness in a given environment. Spc. Waddell's SAW grip would have been noticed by his command at some point, and either him or the Delta armorer would have had to get permission to modify it, being that it is US Gov property (not to mention the other customized weapons we see in Ranger's hands in photos).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing. Why do some people call it an "M4" type barrel? I mean it's a rifle in service before the M4 came out, so shouldn't it NOT be called an M4 barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

You got me on that one... Probably because most people know the "M203 Step" Barrel as an M4 feature, so it gets genericised as an "M4 Profile Barrel".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean didn't they have the step down barrel before the M4 came about? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe so, but it would have only been within a couple years of the M4s debut (the Colt 727 comes to mind). Another reason would be marketing, people will pay more for a milspec carbine that has the "M203 step barrel" so companies market the rifles as having "M4 profile barrels".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Is this the only film to have someone shooting an M16 on burst-fire mode? ==

I would kinda doubt it, but it's the only time I've ever seen it. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 06:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

You referring to when Daniel Busch is sliding out from under the Walcott bird? That's the only time I remember. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 07:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

He's referring to a point where one of the Rangers kills an approaching Somali with a three round burst from his M-16A2. Sgt. Busch is using an M727 and fires quick single shots to kill the miltia approaching the Blackhawk. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, can remember any burst stuff, I'll re-watch it after work. And I'm very aware Busch had a 727. I wonder why Gary Gordons rifle wasn't on burst in the movie, it was in real life. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 15:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

They're referring to the part near the end when the rangers are running out of the city and one of them guns down a woman who picks up a rifle. As for burst mode: most likely the M16 in question was a full auto weapon (as virtually all of them in Hollywood are) and the actor simply fired a couple of short bursts (possibly with some editing done by the sound and special effects teams) to make in appear as though he was using burst mode.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== RPG Shooting ==

I was just looking through the section regarding the RPGs, and noticed something peculiar. Look at the shooter in the first picture. Now look at the guy in the second. Now back at the first. Is it just me, or are the two guys shooting down the two different helicopters from two different places actually the ''exact same guy''? Notice the matching folds in their clothing, and the cloth wrapped around their heads, and their silhouettes. They're all identical. Anyone else see what I'm seeing? [[User:August.allocco|August.allocco]] 18:20, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

== M16A2 ==

I think The M16A2's in the film are actual real ones. the lower reciever is that of an actual A2, and they fire in two modes only, Semi and 3 round burst.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==Question==

Why was Gordon's 727 suppressed? In the book, it says that he was providing sniper cover from the air until he landed to defend the downed Black Hawk, but wouldn't it make more sense to fire unsuppressed. I mean, why would he worry about making too much noise when theres a battle going on? And wouldn't this decrease the muzzle velocity, surely that would make sniping from the air much harder.

==M16A2s==
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
It seems that all of the so-called "M16A2s" have forward assists and are probably M16A1s with M16A2 handguards or mocked up to resemble an M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 10:16, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

Not to sound disrespectful but what the hell are you talking about? The M16 in that screenshot clearly has the A2 sights and the A2s have forward assists as well. They are not A1s with A2 handguards because of the A2 sights. They could possibly have A1 lowers to make them fully automatic as opposed to firing 3 round bursts like the A2 does. But externally they are definitely an M16A2. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:03, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:Makes sense as MPM2008's images of the M16A2 are M16A2s with A1 lower receivers as one user pointed out, which caused some confusion for me when I started learning about the M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 14:55, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:: The point is those could actually be real deal M16A2s as they fire semi auto in every shot apart from at the end where one Ranger fires what looks like a 3 round burst anyway. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:40, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
Firstly M16A2s have forward assists, so there is no reason that having the FA would make it an A1. Secondly, the guns have brass deflectors (triangular protrusion behind the ejection port) which A2s have and A1s don't. Thirdly these guns have the more complicated adjustable rear sights of A2s. The guns in this film do use M16A1 pattern lower receivers, as noted by the lack of reinforcement around the takedown pins, but I don't think they are actually Colt lowers as the M16A1 type lowers didn't have the fire selector markings stamped on the right side of the gun. Also, MPM2008's image of an M16A2 is correct, it is the M16A1 images which have the wrong lower receiver (not a standard Colt lower as it has the front reinforcement of an A2, but like the A1 lacks the rear reinforcement and right side fire selector stampings). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:07, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::Hold on. Upon seeing this picture, I started wondering why some of the Army or Special Forces personnel will have their rifle stock and or end of magazine taped with different colours? Is it just a habit or to serve other purposes?
:::The tape on the magazine is to make it easier to grip, since STANAG magazines are fairly smooth; I guess it's the same theory with the stock. Tape can also be used to mark magazines for easier recognition of special loads (say, a tracer-heavy magazine for marking targets). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:29, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::I think the tape on the stock is actually something to do with the way the sling is attached on to the rifle. They don't seem to be using the sling loop at the bottom of the stock, instead I think it is just attached to paracord wrapped around the stock and held in place with the tape. The main reasons I have seen for wrapping tape around the bottom of a magazine was to hold a loop of paracord in place to make it easier to get the magazine out of a webbing pouch (the pre Magpul solution) or for marking magazine loads as Evil Tim said. This is not the case here so I suppose it must be for grip, but seems odd that the tape is around the middle of the magazine rather than the bottom, where the the magazine would be held to get it out of a pouch. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::Sorry, but when do they fire the guns on full auto? I saw the movie not too long ago and i only saw them fireing on semi and 3 round burst. I never saw a full auto one. --[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
::::::Right towards the end of the film one of the Rangers fires two quick bursts. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I'm just watching the movie to look out for burst/auto, but jsut noticed something else. Can't screencap blurays, but at 50 minuted in as Eversmann is watching the first blackhawk go down you see the butt of his rifle, showing that it is from an A1 rifle. Also, at 40:30 when Hoot is pushing gown the heads of the prisoners as they are captured, the Delta behind him has a CAR-15 with 10" barrel, no forward assist or brass deflector, and possibly a partial fence lower (out of focus and hard to tell), making it an XM177, also called GAU-5/A. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:22, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::: ok, but Cool-breeze, you just said he fired two quick BURSTS. Not a full auto drag. I just rewatched that scene and he fired two quick THREE round bursts.--[[UserGunner5|Gunner5]]
:::::::::Yeah but the likelihood that it is an M16A2 with an A2 lower is very remote as pretty much every motion picture M16A2 I've seen fires full auto at some point. The only way to find out if it has a burst lower is if there is a decent screen grab so we can read the markings on the receiver. I think Black Hawk Down is the only film I've seen an A2 not firing full auto if it's not firing on semi. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:46, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::::::::The guy fires 2 bursts, the second of which sound like it might have been 4, but it is off-screen so that proves nothing. These rifles have A1 lowers which would suggest that they are full auto. However in the screencap above, the third position (although hard to read) looks more like burst than auto. Swinging it back the other way though, A1 receivers shouldn't have selector markings on this side, so it is either a non Colt lower so could be burst or auto, or it has been engraved by the armourer to replicate an A2 so wouldn't necessarily be correct. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:00, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

can anyone tell me why the buttstocks are taped?-2ndCommandos

== M249/FN Minimi ==

This page lists Twombly's (and others') weapon as an FN Minimi standing in for an M249-E1.

However, the weapon in the movie clearly has U.S. M249-style rear sights, which was the main differentiator from the FN design it was based on.

I believe that the weapon is really a M249 (first edition, before the E1), not a FN Minimi.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Down#FN_Minimi

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi

:Problem is, from looking things up more recent Minimis have started using the SAW rear sight. Wikipedia's article on the Minimi has pictures of Swedish and Australian soldiers with SAW-rear-sight Minimis. IMO, these are more likely to be Minimis with new top covers than 1980s-vintage unimproved SAWs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:07, 25 December 2011 (CST)

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== Hoot's "M4" ==
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== This probably isn't very important, but... ==
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, correctness is a virtue. Good on you for doing it. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:39, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapon used by delta force ==

M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15

: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4
:How is the stock "wrong"? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, I remember that passage. Thanks for the quote. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''

:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that "IT'S A MOVIE".-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Your point about "It's a movie" is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the "It's a movie" logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace "Actor" with "pick a gun". Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake? ==
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think

::::::Those of you who were saying he was denying the enemy are correct. You'll notice that he doesn't pocket the magazine. He tosses it away. He didn't field strip it because he likely didn't know how. So the easiest thing to do would be to unload it and throw the magazine away. I was in the military and we were trained to be observant and look for things that would compromise security (like unsecured enemy weapons). One thing you never do is use ammo you find lying around on the street, and in any case, M14Fanboy was right in that the calibers of the US weapons were totally incompatible with the Soviet rounds. Smashing the rifle would have taken time and energy that needed to be spent elsewhere. Besides, it's a rifle...not an airsoft gun. Have you ever tried to smash a real AK? There's a reason it's been in service for so many years... [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:52, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

::::: I believe it was because he was firing his M14 until it ran out of ammo, and then using a helo crew member's M16 before retreating to reload both rifles.:::

:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mike Durant's Book ==
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them).
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:I just stared reading Durant's "In the Company of Heroes" before he called it a "German piece of crap", he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a "High-Tech rifle" it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Hand ==
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was always under the assumption that it was taken to be put to rest with the rest of the body. Never leave a soldier behind.
That all said, i was always told by SF soldier i knew that they were trained to even go as far as to scoop up vomit they might have left to not leave behind any traces of themselves. -MissySummers-

==Flashlight Attachment Help==
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.

:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==M4 in 1994?==
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?

:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he

The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.

:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them. There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''

::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the "M4". The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested. Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use. Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS. I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year. These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world. All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...

== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)

::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i dont know if he was actually using it, but in the movie version i think were supposed to think he took from a crew chief (since they carried an m16a2

the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)

Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says "Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck." just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==

Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.

--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Which is funny, because when Griz is drawing in the barracks and Busch walks up behind him, he calls him "Griz." But not "all" Delta had their names changed. Norm Hooten was really there, but for the movie they combined him with John Macejunas. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:04, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering "Fuckin' Delta..."--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

on topic of 1911s does anyone know what kind of 1911s they really used? for example i find it hard to believe they would be using normal 1911s when the MK.IVs were out

-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.

I read somewhere that Delta Operators are given an allowance to pay for their 1911 and any customisations they want done to it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:59, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==

The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.
:Isn't GAU-17 an Air Force designation? When the weapon is in Army use isn't it still referred to as the M-134? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:15, 2 February 2013 (EST)
::Yes, but it is the designation for a particular variant of the M134 which is what was used in the film. As far as I know there is no Army designation for this variant so I can only assume that they refer to it as the GAU-17/A. If not, using this term is still clearer than "M134 variant that would be the GAU-17/A if it was in the USAF". I'm guessing the term is universal, as the Navy use it for airborne mountings and refer to it as the GAUSE-17/A (with the SE standing for Shipboard Equipment) when it is mounted to the deck of a ship for point defence. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:42, 2 February 2013 (EST)

== Remington 870 Shotgun ==

Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a "Masterkey" configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.

As indicated on the main page and above (by an unknown poster), the Remington 870 Shotgun is seen being used by an extra/stuntman to breech a door right after being dropped by the Little Birds. The extra/stuntman IS NOT William Fichtner as evidenced by the images below - his individual equipment does not match that of Fichtner's. Further there are "on set" photographs showing at least one extra/stuntman equipped with the same type Remington 870 in addition to the one carried by Fichtner. The scene is from the "Black Hawk Down Extended Cut," NOT a "director's cut" (as the unknown person posted above). Ridley Scott has yet to do a "director's cut" of "Black Hawk Down," and I doubt he ever will due to his negative feelings about how the [[Alien]] and [[Blade Runner]] Director's Cuts turned out.
[[Image:BHD001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman preparing to fire a Remington 870. He also carries one of the rubber stunt prop M4 carbines that appear throughout the film in the hands of different extras, stuntmen, and actors. Note: there were no actual "firing" M4 carbines utilized in the film - only rubber stunt props of them.]]
[[Image:BHD002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman firing a Remington 870.]]
Further, MSG Paul Howe did indeed carry, and utilize, a CAR-15 (his was a Colt Model 653) with a 12-gage shotgun mounted on it (at least two photographs exist of him with the weapon prior to the operation). The term "Masterkey" is anachronistic as Knight's Armament came up with the term years later. At the time (1993) Ciener was the only company producing a shotgun mount for M16-series rifles and carbines. They simply called it an "under/over mount." [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:24, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Rescue Heli Star 41 ==

The AH-6, that inbounds to Wolcott's crash site (Star 41), has miniguns and rocket pods. The helicopter that is finally landing at the chrashed Black Hawk hasn't any weapons onboard, so probably a MH-6.
:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flashlights ==
I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them? I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.

:Actors probably forgot or were never told [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings. They're better for room clearing. Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v
:Not to mention a flashlight beam in that environment would scream, "here I am, shoot me!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==
Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile? It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open. That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm. Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actor in the Specials ==

Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

That's Jeremy Piven, nowadays best known for playing Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage. Wikipedia says he played CFO Clifton Wolcott.

:I do not think it Piven. In the film he plays a pilot role and his hair is black.
http://files.haiguinet.com/flashupload/UploadedFiles/1252005569_159Jeremy_Piven.jpg
http://emsworth.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jeremy-piven-in-black-hawk-down-2.jpg
When I put the photos on the page, before to name him "delta actor", I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not Piven. Maybe he's a stand-in or something. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:06, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Seriously ==
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that. Fun fact. Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us. The solution? Flight gloves. They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you. I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work. I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

:::- ''Uh, I had replied below I didn't know about these gloves specifically, which you seem to have failed to notice. Just as you also seem to have failed to notice that all these comments you posted this slightly irritable and unnecessary response in-between were all posted '''days ago'''. It might help if you thoroughly read the comments and check the dates next time.'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you "operators"?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Flight gloves are a very thin layer of Nomex with a Clarino palm and finger overlaid. These are very light, wick sweat, and give you tactile feeling and the ability to perform tasks as though you were bare handed. They are maybe a few mm thick on the palms, and do not affect in any way your shooting ability or accuracy, even whilst firing an M249, which is notorious for running away due to gloves getting stuck and holding the trigger back.

:::I was in the Army for 9 years, and I wore flight gloves all the time during exercises. I never had a problem with them whatsoever. I was a SAW gunner as well. Whoever posted that caption about trained operators not wearing gloves is an idiot. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:14, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Discussion about the bullets, or something==
- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued "green tip" rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a "weapon switch to show he is an elite operator" shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There are other reasons as well. It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have. It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much. As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue. When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue. There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument. I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that). But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was the GC or HC and didn't really care to look it up at the moment.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new "expanding" round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official "military force" that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there. A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers. As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document. It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others. Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances full metal jacket .556 is an ideal round. When fighting a traditional battle, against an enemy that follows the rules of war, it is far better to wound the enemy than kill him. Gunner313

We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One could say that the First Gulf War was conventional. we were fighting an organized military(Iraq), i still think they were a bunch of crazy towel heads hellbent on destroying the western world.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Why is it better to wound them? -SasquatchJim.

Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I apologize; I thought he meant that wounding them was more humane, or something. Although, dead people can't keep shooting at you; wounded ones can. -SasquatchJim

It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc... Gunner313

Makes sense to me. Thanks. -SJ

Well in my opinion, I still think it's better to kill the enemy rather than just wound them, that way they don't get patched up and come back later to kill you.

agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Never Forget==
Sorry to post as anon, but I dont have an account but frequent the site. Just wanted to point out that today is the 17th anniversary of the US intervention in Somalia.

:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Interesting Uniform Note==

Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color "chocolate chip" camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color "coffee stain" pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990's and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCU's with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.

[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tom Hardy]] wielding an FN Minimi as Spc. Twombly, giving us a good look at his 3-color DCU uniform and 6-color helmet cover]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti) gun ==

What gun have Mo'alim in his shoulder? He don't remove it from the shoulder at any time, but there are two scenes where you can see:

1 When prevents the killing of Duran:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/

2 When the cannon is firing in the area of the first downed helicopter:
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/

are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Doc Schmid ==
In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.

Maybe they forgot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:This is somewhat unrelated, but I found it really funny that Schmid is played by the same actor who later played [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185836/ Adam]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==tapeing==
i was just watching this , and i noticed that a majority of the rangers taped the ends of the butt stocks on their rifles . Why is that?-[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
:I believe that tape was used (not quite sure how) to attach the sling to the butt of the rifle. Tape is also used at the front of the rifle, to attach a loop of para cord around the front sight to the sling. The reason this was done was so that the sling would be attached on the top/side of the weapon, rather than the bottom (where the only fitted sling loops are) to make it more usable in combat. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

i noticed nearly all the mag's have brown tape on them, any reasons for this, or is it just purely cosmetic? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

STANAG Magazines are smooth and can be hard to grip on to to reload, especially in a high stress situation like combat. The tape helps you to grip the magazine for a speedy reload, MAGPUL makes sleeves that slide over them now. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 3:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Nelson's M60 ==

Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4? I'm not sure when the E3 or E4 came out.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 03:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The M60 used in the film is an original spec M60, the same as were actually used by the Rangers in Somalia (As identified by the hand guard and bi-pod attaching at the end of the barrel). Not sure exactly when the E3 was made (started being issues in 1986), but I know there was one in the 1985 film [[Commando]]. Regardless, I don't think it was that widely used, as the lighter weight barrel and other parts made the gun more prone to overheating and malfunction. The rangers actually used a mix of M60s and FN MAGs as shown below:
:[[Image:101120ritchie20pursley8yp.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
:Also, there has been talk on this page about what the actual weapons used by Delta where, and I cannot speak to this operation in particular, but in most of the photos I have seen of Delta force in Somalia, there are actually armed with M16A2s, normally with a telescopic sight mounted onto the carry handle (example below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9607/21820burns20weaver6az.jpg
::Delta operators in Somalia used Colt Model 723 carbines with M4 style barrel, at least watching the few pictures of that time. --[[User:Pz.Abt.100|X-Ray Bravo 6]] 13:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Did the Rangers at the time use a black ballistic vest in addition to the woodland RBAs? While searching for M60 photos saw several photos of people in black vests carrying M16A2s with an optic on the handle, also sometimes carrying shotguns and LAWs. Are these likely Rangers rather than Delta then? Also, there are pictures of rangers using colt carbines with the step down M4 type barrels, so I think there was a much wider variety of weapons used than the film shows. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The Rangers only wore Woodland camo RBA (Ranger Body Armor) vests and desert-camo PASGT helmets during the operation (see the "Interesting Uniform Note" section above for info about the desert camo patterns used in the film). Black vests were Delta-issue only. Sort of like present-day spec. ops units using Dragon Skin vests while the main Army uses Interceptor/IOTV vests (though it's not as easy to tell the difference between the modern-day examples by looking at them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the book there was specific mention of a couple of the Rangers being stuck with the Delta "Turtle" Armor because they didn't have enough of the Ranger vests for a while.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 09:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, that explains photos like the following one then (also, note the Colt carbines with M4 type barrels the Rangers are carrying.)
:[[Image:RangersM4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Also, can anyone shed some light as to what is going on with this SAW:
:[[Image:Saw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:First off, isn't this an E2, rather than the E1 as the main article says was used by the Rangers? Also, why does it look like the receiver is made of different metal, and is the sight mount a standard fitting, or something cobbled together? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing the book mentions is that Delta's Armorer played gunsmith for some of the Ranger guys (at least 1 customized SAW is mentioned).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

that part of the book is referring to Spc. Waddell's SAW and i believe is was a grip that was put on. i would also like to shed some light on the fact that in 1993 only the Armys Special Ops like Delta Force had that kind of ability on their weapons, and now every soldier on the battlefield has the ability to put on optics, lights, lasers, and stocks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the part I was referring to, although I remember there being more than just a grip added, but its been a while. Also Rangers aren't basic infantry, they too are a part of USASOC. and in a combat zone leeway with weapons (also uniforms, gear, etc) is pretty much at the command's discretion. I believe that they would allow Rangers a bit of leeway with modifying their weapons in certain ways to enhance their effectiveness in a given environment. Spc. Waddell's SAW grip would have been noticed by his command at some point, and either him or the Delta armorer would have had to get permission to modify it, being that it is US Gov property (not to mention the other customized weapons we see in Ranger's hands in photos).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing. Why do some people call it an "M4" type barrel? I mean it's a rifle in service before the M4 came out, so shouldn't it NOT be called an M4 barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

You got me on that one... Probably because most people know the "M203 Step" Barrel as an M4 feature, so it gets genericised as an "M4 Profile Barrel".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean didn't they have the step down barrel before the M4 came about? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe so, but it would have only been within a couple years of the M4s debut (the Colt 727 comes to mind). Another reason would be marketing, people will pay more for a milspec carbine that has the "M203 step barrel" so companies market the rifles as having "M4 profile barrels".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Is this the only film to have someone shooting an M16 on burst-fire mode? ==

I would kinda doubt it, but it's the only time I've ever seen it. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 06:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

You referring to when Daniel Busch is sliding out from under the Walcott bird? That's the only time I remember. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 07:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

He's referring to a point where one of the Rangers kills an approaching Somali with a three round burst from his M-16A2. Sgt. Busch is using an M727 and fires quick single shots to kill the miltia approaching the Blackhawk. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, can remember any burst stuff, I'll re-watch it after work. And I'm very aware Busch had a 727. I wonder why Gary Gordons rifle wasn't on burst in the movie, it was in real life. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 15:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

They're referring to the part near the end when the rangers are running out of the city and one of them guns down a woman who picks up a rifle. As for burst mode: most likely the M16 in question was a full auto weapon (as virtually all of them in Hollywood are) and the actor simply fired a couple of short bursts (possibly with some editing done by the sound and special effects teams) to make in appear as though he was using burst mode.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== RPG Shooting ==

I was just looking through the section regarding the RPGs, and noticed something peculiar. Look at the shooter in the first picture. Now look at the guy in the second. Now back at the first. Is it just me, or are the two guys shooting down the two different helicopters from two different places actually the ''exact same guy''? Notice the matching folds in their clothing, and the cloth wrapped around their heads, and their silhouettes. They're all identical. Anyone else see what I'm seeing? [[User:August.allocco|August.allocco]] 18:20, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

== M16A2 ==

I think The M16A2's in the film are actual real ones. the lower reciever is that of an actual A2, and they fire in two modes only, Semi and 3 round burst.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==Question==

Why was Gordon's 727 suppressed? In the book, it says that he was providing sniper cover from the air until he landed to defend the downed Black Hawk, but wouldn't it make more sense to fire unsuppressed. I mean, why would he worry about making too much noise when theres a battle going on? And wouldn't this decrease the muzzle velocity, surely that would make sniping from the air much harder.

==M16A2s==
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
It seems that all of the so-called "M16A2s" have forward assists and are probably M16A1s with M16A2 handguards or mocked up to resemble an M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 10:16, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

Not to sound disrespectful but what the hell are you talking about? The M16 in that screenshot clearly has the A2 sights and the A2s have forward assists as well. They are not A1s with A2 handguards because of the A2 sights. They could possibly have A1 lowers to make them fully automatic as opposed to firing 3 round bursts like the A2 does. But externally they are definitely an M16A2. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:03, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:Makes sense as MPM2008's images of the M16A2 are M16A2s with A1 lower receivers as one user pointed out, which caused some confusion for me when I started learning about the M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 14:55, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:: The point is those could actually be real deal M16A2s as they fire semi auto in every shot apart from at the end where one Ranger fires what looks like a 3 round burst anyway. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:40, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
Firstly M16A2s have forward assists, so there is no reason that having the FA would make it an A1. Secondly, the guns have brass deflectors (triangular protrusion behind the ejection port) which A2s have and A1s don't. Thirdly these guns have the more complicated adjustable rear sights of A2s. The guns in this film do use M16A1 pattern lower receivers, as noted by the lack of reinforcement around the takedown pins, but I don't think they are actually Colt lowers as the M16A1 type lowers didn't have the fire selector markings stamped on the right side of the gun. Also, MPM2008's image of an M16A2 is correct, it is the M16A1 images which have the wrong lower receiver (not a standard Colt lower as it has the front reinforcement of an A2, but like the A1 lacks the rear reinforcement and right side fire selector stampings). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:07, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::Hold on. Upon seeing this picture, I started wondering why some of the Army or Special Forces personnel will have their rifle stock and or end of magazine taped with different colours? Is it just a habit or to serve other purposes?
:::The tape on the magazine is to make it easier to grip, since STANAG magazines are fairly smooth; I guess it's the same theory with the stock. Tape can also be used to mark magazines for easier recognition of special loads (say, a tracer-heavy magazine for marking targets). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:29, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::I think the tape on the stock is actually something to do with the way the sling is attached on to the rifle. They don't seem to be using the sling loop at the bottom of the stock, instead I think it is just attached to paracord wrapped around the stock and held in place with the tape. The main reasons I have seen for wrapping tape around the bottom of a magazine was to hold a loop of paracord in place to make it easier to get the magazine out of a webbing pouch (the pre Magpul solution) or for marking magazine loads as Evil Tim said. This is not the case here so I suppose it must be for grip, but seems odd that the tape is around the middle of the magazine rather than the bottom, where the the magazine would be held to get it out of a pouch. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::Sorry, but when do they fire the guns on full auto? I saw the movie not too long ago and i only saw them fireing on semi and 3 round burst. I never saw a full auto one. --[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
::::::Right towards the end of the film one of the Rangers fires two quick bursts. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I'm just watching the movie to look out for burst/auto, but jsut noticed something else. Can't screencap blurays, but at 50 minuted in as Eversmann is watching the first blackhawk go down you see the butt of his rifle, showing that it is from an A1 rifle. Also, at 40:30 when Hoot is pushing gown the heads of the prisoners as they are captured, the Delta behind him has a CAR-15 with 10" barrel, no forward assist or brass deflector, and possibly a partial fence lower (out of focus and hard to tell), making it an XM177, also called GAU-5/A. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:22, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::: ok, but Cool-breeze, you just said he fired two quick BURSTS. Not a full auto drag. I just rewatched that scene and he fired two quick THREE round bursts.--[[UserGunner5|Gunner5]]
:::::::::Yeah but the likelihood that it is an M16A2 with an A2 lower is very remote as pretty much every motion picture M16A2 I've seen fires full auto at some point. The only way to find out if it has a burst lower is if there is a decent screen grab so we can read the markings on the receiver. I think Black Hawk Down is the only film I've seen an A2 not firing full auto if it's not firing on semi. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:46, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::::::::The guy fires 2 bursts, the second of which sound like it might have been 4, but it is off-screen so that proves nothing. These rifles have A1 lowers which would suggest that they are full auto. However in the screencap above, the third position (although hard to read) looks more like burst than auto. Swinging it back the other way though, A1 receivers shouldn't have selector markings on this side, so it is either a non Colt lower so could be burst or auto, or it has been engraved by the armourer to replicate an A2 so wouldn't necessarily be correct. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:00, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

can anyone tell me why the buttstocks are taped?-2ndCommandos

== M249/FN Minimi ==

This page lists Twombly's (and others') weapon as an FN Minimi standing in for an M249-E1.

However, the weapon in the movie clearly has U.S. M249-style rear sights, which was the main differentiator from the FN design it was based on.

I believe that the weapon is really a M249 (first edition, before the E1), not a FN Minimi.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Down#FN_Minimi

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi

:Problem is, from looking things up more recent Minimis have started using the SAW rear sight. Wikipedia's article on the Minimi has pictures of Swedish and Australian soldiers with SAW-rear-sight Minimis. IMO, these are more likely to be Minimis with new top covers than 1980s-vintage unimproved SAWs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:07, 25 December 2011 (CST)

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==Uniforms, Equipment, And A Few Other Bits And Pieces==
In the introduction to the film (written by MoviePropMaster2008) the following appears:

:''One of the details which drew attention from film buffs was its accurate (for the time) portrayal of the weapons and equipment of the SS and Heer units in 1940. Despite the glaring anachronism that the SS Allgemeine (the only SS division authorized to wear the iconic Black uniform with party armband) never operated outside the borders of Germany (this film takes place in the Carpathian Mountains in Romania), the uniforms, backpacks, equipment and gear of the SS and the Heer Soldiers showed a surprising attention to detail. Most World War II films up to that time had little accuracy when costuming any German forces.''

The reason for this is the fact Andrew Mollo was the military/historical consultant on the film. Those that study Third Reich uniforms should be well versed with his name (he also wrote and directed the fictional film "It Happened Here" about what would have happened if the Germans invaded and occupied England). Mollo wrote the definative series (6 volumes) of books on the uniforms of the SS entitled ''Uniforms Of The SS''. He also authored a number of other books on the SS (my favorite being ''To The Death's Head True'') as well as some general books on Second World War uniforms (an excellent one being ''The Armed Forces Of World War II'').

So one has to ask why (or how) a VERY well-versed author on SS uniforms could "mess up" and allow the black SS uniform to be used in the film (in the manner in which they were). Well, the answer is pretty simple...artistic license. I spoke with Mollo decades ago about this glaring error. Mollo told me that the director, Michael Mann, did not want to dress the SS in the same ''feldgrau'' uniforms of the ''Heer'' (which would have been historically correct). Mann feared that the average audience would mistake them for ''Heer'' reinforcements (or something to that effect) as most would not notice the subtle difference in insignia (between ''Heer'' and SS). Mollo went on to say that Mann wanted Woermann's men (''Heer Gebirgsjaeger'') to receive some sympathy from the audience and this might not be achieved if they thought Kaempffer's men (''Sicherheitsdienst'') were from the same unit (nor would they be able to tell them apart in some scenes). So the compromise was to break with history and outfit the men in the black SS uniforms (which were very correct in their design, insignia, and accoutrements - albeit out of place) which most people have always associated with the "evil Nazi SS".

Further, in the written introduction the film is set in 1941, not 1940 as indicated. Also, the submachine guns appear to be MP40s, not MP38s.

In the caption for the MG34 the "sentry" is not at rest. He is having a "nervious breakdown" (the best words I could come up with to describe what was happening to the soldiers in the film) brought on by the "evil" eminating from the keep.--[[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] 07:29, 14 August 2012 (CDT)

==Sten==
WTF? A sten? Are you serious Kooshmeister?
*I was told that was what it was. - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]
:::And whoever told you that, I would never listen to anything they ever said, ever again.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

==Kaempffer's Armored Car==
I'm unsure if the two guns seen on the turret of Major Kaempffer's armored car are anything in particular or just mockups (the IMCDb says the vehicle itself is a replica).

[[Image:thekeep5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Major Kaempffer rides into town perched atop the turret of his SdKfz. 222 armored car - mounted are the 2cm KwK 30 L/55 autocannon and the 7.92mm MG34 machine gun.]]

Also if the MG34 isn't actually an MG34 I apologize; that's what they're called in dialog ("MG34's cover the entrance"). - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]

==DVD==
Where is the DVD of this movie? I've been looking for it for years. Where did you get those screenshots? I would love to pick up a DVD of the KEEP, but it's only available on VHS in the U.S. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Nonexistent, as far as I know. These are from an .avi file I downloaded off of Vuze. - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]
::Did some digging. Apparently it's a Laserdisc transfer. - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]
:::Netflix has it now on Instant View. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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Are the shots I added okay? I tried to keep it down on the shots MPM. I bet we now how the most indepth analysis of the armory on the net. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Could i add some screencaps to this page?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

==Widescreen/Fullscreen==
I'm watching this on AMC now and realize I missed guns in the armory because they are only visible on full screen, and I only own the widescreen movie. For instance, I saw a Beretta AR-70 rifle. If someone with a keen eye has the full screen DVD, please feel free to upload. :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== What does this mean? ==
The text below the screencap with Bennet and his Scoremaster:

"Apparently he was instructed to act enough for himself and Arnie."
:What does that mean?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::Probably in reference to Vernon Wells' horrendous overacting of this scene. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 14:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I think you mean '''AWESOME''' overacting.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You've got to like Bennett as a bad guy though. I mean, not only does this guy wear a M1940 military holster for 1911 style pistol, but he's wearing ''chain mail!'' Talk about old school! Plus they use maybe my favorite airplane of all time, the Grumman Goose. -[[User:harleyguy|harleyguy]]

Y'know, a man with a moustache, wearing chain mail and leather pants, doesn't really seem like a match for Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just my .02
-SasquatchJim.

He isn't actually wearing chain mail, it's a normal T-shirt with a pattern that looks like chain mail. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 21:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:Wrong, Bennet really is wearing a WWII era chain mail "commando" vest. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Bennett is actually wearing cotton knit vest. It only appears as chain mail from a distance. If you watch the scene where he and his men hold Arnold down in that room, in close up shots you can see it is clearly not chain mail.

Rockwolf66 please check the facts first. The director himself has said numerous times that the shirt was not chain mail. Plus what this anon man above me has said confirms that it's not chain mail. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:38, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

== Ballistic Knife ==

At the beginning of Matrix's assault on Arius' estate he uses a ballistic knife to depatch a sentry, should'nt this be included on this page?--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:It's not a firearm. Hence it shouldn't be here.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Grenades are not firearms, so technically they shouldn't be included either.... If your read the guidelines, as long as it is military equipment it can be included in a trivia section at the end of the page. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::guys this sort of confusion is entirely our fault (i.e. the mods) for not putting up a guideline. I speak for all (well actually I don't) but I sincerely apologies to our members who have had to put up with mystical and sometimes nonsensical rules that haven't been posted yet. I am trying, and I was actually surprised, new members were actually READING the rules and applying them. I kinda feel guilty in getting pissed off at new guys for screwing up when it was us VETERAN members who screwed up in not formally listing rules and guidelines. I am completely humbled now and (when I get time) will strive to continue with the rules listing (all gleaned from months (has it been years yet?) of consensus from Mods and Veteran users about what should be on the rules listing. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::My point about this particular weapon is in its name, BALLISTIC knife. Its not a ordinary knife as it fires out of a sheaf/handgrip so should be included as it is as relevant as a crossbow and would complete an excellent page.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would be appropriate to include it. It is military weaponry/equipment and I am sure that people would be wondering what it is -heck I was when I first saw the movie. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

== Remington 870 ==

hey what model 870 is matrix using and what are the plate on the left side of the reciever and the brace above the slide for?dalemac37
:I believe it is a copy of the Tactical model designed for the U.S. Marine Corps back in the 1980s. And it's really hard to get nowadays. The extended tube has a clamp on the end. In the USMC version, the end clamp has a bayonet lug. What is difficult is that the shotgun changes (hence the comment about continuity breaks in the film). In some shots it has a rifle rear sight and in some shots the rifle sights are obviously gone. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually it is not intended to be a copy of the Remington 870 Mark I (the USMC designation of the shotgun '''MoviePropMaster2008''' describes). The "tube" under the barrel is actually a commercially sold laser sight designed specifically for the Remington 870 shotgun that had a proprietary "clamp". For the life of me I cannot remember who sold them (or for that matter, who manufactured them). But if someone has access to '''Guns & Ammo''' magazines from the mid to late-1984 period you will probably find an advertisement for one. Further in the bottom image in the section on the weapon you can see part of the power cable that was attached between the magazine tube and barrel. The cord snaked down the gun to the power supply which was stored inside a specifically-modified buttstock. Remember this was during the "Terminator" laser sight craze and laser sights were large and the power supplies bulky. --[[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] 16:10, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:I did some more digging on the laser sight. It is a Laser Products Corporation (later Surefire) laser sight. This is the same type laser sight used in [[Terminator, The|The Terminator]] and [[Wanted: Dead or Alive (1987)|Wanted: Dead Or Alive]]. The laser sight is easily distinguished by the proprietary LPC "clamp" as well as the actual sight's "bell-shaped" end. --[[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] 14:40, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

:[[Image:Lpcc.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The "bell-shaped" rear of the LPC laser sight (circled in red).]]
:[[Image:Lpc.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LPC laser sight (stainless) like the one from the film but instead mounted on a Ruger Mini-14. This Mini-14 version used a special "sleeve" that slid over the barrel to which the sight was clamped.]]

== MGC M16 replicas ==

I'm confused, what does it mean that the flash hiders are "upsidedown"? is it like 1 prong on top instead of 2?

==Poster==
Is that poster which is currently up for real? That tagline, "Let's party" looks like a bad joke made by someone --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 06:17, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

I guess you didn't see the ending of the film. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:02, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

It's a line from the film. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:35, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm not seeing that version of the poster on IMDB... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:47, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::There are five versions of that file. We can just revert to an earlier version. But yeah, this is the only version with "Let's Party" on it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:14, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

The one I uploaded was the final one-sheet for the film. One of the files was the dvd cover that was a reversed shot of Arnold and the other was of a lesser quality. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:02, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Desert Eagle ==

I think the Desert Eagle is a .44 magnum because it appears to have a fluted slide in one of the screen shots. I might be wrong though. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:11, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

: The fluted slides are only on the most recent Mark XIX model Deagles, which wouldn't be around 'til several years after this film's release. Indeed, the earliest Mark I Desert Eagle itself was practically brand-new when this film was shot. On a related-note, is it proper to call the Deagle in this film a 'Magnum Research Inc.' one? I was under the impression they didn't handle making the Desert Eagle until some time later (Like the 90s). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:12, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::No it's correct to call it Magnum Research (even though you don't really have to). Most are made in Israel by IMI (now IWI). But they are always going to marked Magnum Research whether it was built in the US or Israel. Because they are the ones who designed it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:30, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::: Ah. Well that's fine. I generally don't like calling it specifically MRI or IMI though, just to avoid that. Whatever though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:16, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::::Yeah, you typically call it after the company that designed it rather than the manufacturer, and I think that's a good precident; here, that would be MR. As an example, we have the DSR-1 at DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1 rather than AMP Technical Services DSR-1 because AMP just marketed it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:56, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

== Bianchi UM84 Holster ==

A question about the black Bianchi UM84 (the holster was not adopted by the US Government until 02 February 1988 and then given the designation Holster, Pistol, M12) holster Major General Kirby is carrying. Is this the first film appearance of this holster? Or does someone know of an earlier film with this type of holster in it? Bianchi applied for the patent on 26 September 1984 for the "Universal Military Holster" so the time frame would fit that this could possibly be the first film to have a UM84 in it. --[[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] 16:45, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

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==Incendiary rounds==
Remembered seeing this:
[[Image:PredatorM134handheld-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blain fires his Minigun, fed with Incendiary rounds?.]]
after watching episode of [[Mythbusters]] where they were cutting a tree with Minigun. It's not Incendiary rounds, really, if tree is shot with Minigun for a forty seconds, it flames. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 15:59, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

:I thought it was "fed with" blank rounds? --[[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] 01:17, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

== Manpack Mini-gun ==
From a Friend of Mine I have gotten a Quote from the Films Technical Advisor about the Hand-held Minigun.I'm going to integrate it into the page as it does go into the creation of the weapon as a man portible device. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 05:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

the Quote is:
"The Predator gun is an M-134. It was never a microgun (XM-214). That story has been rattling around the Internet and elsewhere for years, that the Predator gun was a 5.56, it wasn't. Ventura had a hand in putting together the harness that held the gun, after all, he had to carry and handle the darn thing, and told me a bunch about it. When Dan had the gun (past tense I believe) he contacted me to see if Ventura wanted to buy the weapon. I'm going to do a writeup on the XM-214 including pictures of me holding one. It isn't a big deal to pick the microgun up and hold it cradled in one arm. Maybe when people see just how small the 5.56mm gun is, this story will start going away. The pack in the movie held all of four seconds worth of ammo and no batteries. In the first scene when Ventura fires the gun, you can see the cable for it it the dirt behind him. And the trigger didn't work. The special effects man handled powering the gun for several reasons, including safety. Something about them not wanting the actors injured if the gun was dropped and the trigger pulled."
[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 05:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

would a hand held mini-gun be ever practical? It looks cool but probably won't. Rex095
::Not probably. Definitely.
:::would you consider a smart Grenade launcher modified to fire 20mm or 30mm auto cannon shells impractical? Rex095
::::Are you talking about the XM25 airburst grenade launcher? If so, wrong type of ammunition. 20x40mm in the XM25 vs 20x102mm in the auto cannon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

The U.S. Army experimented with this idea, but the gun was found to be too heavy for any one man to carry and the recoil was enough to seriously hurt the person firing it (broken bones kind of hurt). - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 17:17, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
== As far as detonating 40mm grenades... ==
There are/were two sets of fuzes. The earlier ones armed in 3 to 5 meters (9 to 15 feet or so) and presented a hazard because of the casualty radius of the rounds. These rounds were primarily used with the M79 but will chamber and fire in the M203. The "later" rounds included a third arming mechanism which delayed arming until the round was 14-28 meters from the barrel.

== Minigun Fire Rate ==
I'd like to know the source of the "confirmed" fire rate of 1250 RPM. Reason being, I'm the guy that came up with the 1700-1800rpm figure which I figured out by counting the number of barrel rotations the weapon makes in a given time frame while the movie is playing in slow motion. There are several closeup shots on the weapon muzzle that make this possible. It should also be noted that in the special features Jesse fires the weapon with unedited sound and the weapon fires at such a rate that it is continuous sound, much like how a real Minigun sounds.

:That's interesting, since a movie camera only records at a rate of 24 frames per second and you're claiming the gun fired at 30 rounds per second, meaning it completed five rotations a second, and that you eyeballed it rotating once every 4.8 frames in 'slow motion.' Any rate of fire over 1,440 rpm would be wasting ammo for the hell of it, since at that speed you'd already be firing a shot every frame. With your prediction they would be literally throwing away 6 rounds a second. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I got the rate of fire that I did by communicating with people who have acctually worked on said Minigun and that rate of Fire was stated back when Dan Shea was liquidating the Stenbridge gun collection. Plus have you ever heard a HK-21E rip off a belt at 1,100RPM? I have and it sounds very close to the unedited Predator Minigun sound. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 03:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I could be wrong, but that's what I observed. I just wanted to know where the confirmed fire rate came from.

I found this article online where a Dillon Aero rep briefly discusses the Predator gun:

http://www.defensereview.com/dillon-aero-m134d-and-m134d-t-gatling-guns-peace-through-firepower-superiority/

It supports the 1250 RPM claim or thereabouts.

== Billy's Mosberg 500 - " While never seen firing the shotgun in the film... " ==

Hello

I beg to differ. At 27:00 ~ 27:01 while Billy is seen standing onscreen in the upper far right shooting downward at fleeing enemy personnel. you can see that he has expended all 5.56mm ammo and is switching to the 500. His movement is sublte but you can see him shift the weapon to grasp the lower of the rifle to use it as a make shift grip for the 500. He manages to get off one round before the next cut to Dutch who is seen shooting some additional personnel. Thoughts?

:- That's certainly a possibility, I'll have to check that out next I watch the film. To add, I believe he also fires a round or two from the shotgun at a couple guerrillas a wee bit later during the assault, but the sound effect is a little hokey (I think the guerrillas' AK rifles drains the sound out, either that or the M16 sound effect is put in place of it similar to the audio goof in ''The Terminator''). Plus, he's only seen shooting it from the back so it's also kinda hard to tell. Again, I'll be keeping an eye out for it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Here is a picture taken from the Blu-ray. Billy is definitely seen firing his shotgun when he runs out of ammo for his rifle. You can clearly see the muzzle flash coming from the shotgun portion. I'm going to delete that line from the main page.

[[Image:DSC01322_25.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Billy firing his shotgun.]]

== Poncho pistol ==
I don't see this movie for a long time but I remember that Poncho carrie a sig P220 or P226. I'm not sure but I think that extract it when the prisoner tried to escape. Can anyone confirm? [[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]]

:I remember wrong. These are the evidence. [[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]]
[[Image:Poncho1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Poncho2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

:That's definitely another Desert Eagle. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:Yeah, clearly an Eagle. Look at the length of the grip and magazine floor plate. Too long to be a 9mm. And look at the angle of the back of the slide in the first pic. It's too straight, whereas on the SIG, it slopes forward more. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Predators Wristblades ==
Why don't they have their own section on the page? there are dozens of pages with sections about knives that were in the movie, and I think that the Wristblades should have one as well.
: Well since they are not a commercially available item nor a custom item that is real and may be used by others, it does not fall into the same category as custom fighting knives and other weapons which appear. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:30, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:: Actually replicas of this blades existing, so they're available item, as some of the other Predator weapons. And i think that this site can be even better if all the films pages will include information about some other (not just guns) wapons, like swords, knives, self-made items and usual objects used as a wapon. P.S. I'm very sorry about my bad english - i know many words and can speak in english well, but i'm always have grammatical mistakes. :( --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 14:49, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:::You sure like to push the limits of what information should be on IMFDB, [[User:Kloga|Kloga]]. And spare me the unhappy face again. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:05, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

- You make a fairly decent point, but I myself would like to think it's called the Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. The site is meant to deal with firearms, that is ''guns'' in movies. Not knives, swords, blades, maces, spears, etc. etc. Don't look at me - I'm just going by what the site says. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

The "dozens of pages" that have knives(I've found a few, but not "dozens") should have the knives *removed*, other pages should not be having them ADDED unless the site is changed to be a source of info on movie weaponry, rather than movie firearms. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 00:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:Most of the pages with knives (like [[Modern Warfare 2]]) probably should have them removed, but certain special exceptions should be made for movies like [[First Blood]], where Rambo's knife is iconic to the character himself. And as much as I love this movie, the wrist blades aren't the first thing that comes to mind when I think about the Predator, so I don't find them of the same importance. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::Even then, aren't Blade's, well, blades(sword in particular) iconic to the character? And Jack Burton's knife from Big Trouble is more "iconic" to him than the Tec-9 is... While I'm all for expanding the site to cover movie weaponry in general rather than just firearms, as it currently stands, knives should probably be omitted even if they ARE iconic to the character. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

== Introducing the Handheld Minigun ==

I'd like to know more on how the Handheld Minigun came to appear in the Movie. Such as was it a Real Gun or just designed for the Movie.
:Have you ever seen or heard instances of man portable miniguns? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

== Desert Eagle Bore Diameter ==

I found a frame where we can see the bore diameter of the ever holstered DEs. Looks like a .357 for me...--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 07:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:PredBillyDes.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Billy search in the jungle.]]

:- I think it's most likely .357, not just because of that pic but also practically speaking - I think the .44 version was pretty new at the time and therefore it's not likely they had many of 'em around, especially just for guns to have in holsters the whole time. That plus the DE page states .44s are rarely used in American productions (which I find a bit weird but still a interesting bit of info nonetheless). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone tell if they are purhaps rubber guns? They're always kept in holsters. I'm sure the magazine would be moulded to the gun but just cant tell the difference.

==The Grenade Launcher==
The description says it was made up from parts of an HK94 and an AN-M5 flare launcher. I can't find anything on google concerning the existence of a flare launcher under that name. And the only screenshot indicating the HK94 lineage shows it stuffed in the actors backpack and it looks like that it might be two separate objects; the back of the (possibly) stockless 37mm launcher AND the stock of an HK94 (if I recall correctly he also carried an HK94 along with the launcher). None of the screenshots of the launcher in action show whether or not it has a stock. [[User:BurtReynoldsMoustache|BurtReynoldsMoustache]] 20:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Akimbo ==

[[Image:PredatorHK94chopped-12.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Dillon wielding two HK94s '''akimbo style'''.]]
Could someone remove this part of the description off the main page. Akimbo isn't a very professional term.
:What would you like us to say.. Dual Wielding.. What? Also if you want to grow a pair you can sign up instead of being an anonymous user and change it yourself.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:18, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
::What's the "professional" term? One that doesn't make us sound like CoD fanboys. The only other term that comes to mind other than "akimbo" and "dual-wielding" is "double-fisting," which sounds much worse. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
:::LOL, good point. Considering that REAL "professionals" don't typically wield 2 guns at once in the real world, do they even HAVE a "professional" term for it? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 16:08, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

::::Well put, DKS01. It's oxymoronic to even ''imply'' that there is a "professional" term for wielding two guns (especially long guns, such as those MP5s). While I have no problem with using the term "dual wielding", "akimbo" is easier to type and means the exact same thing to any guy born after 1980. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Isn't akimbo bent elbows such as this?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:52, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's really only akimbo if they're held at the hip like in the picture. Another example: Chuck Norris in Invasion USA. Example of not akimbo: The Matrix, any John Woo movie.[[User:BurtReynoldsMoustache|BurtReynoldsMoustache]] 02:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I say we just say he's wielding two HK94s. It's pretty obvious that's going to mean one in each hand, we don't need a special term to point out he doesn't have one in his hands and the other stuck in his ear or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:45, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

== Tactical Knives ==

Has anyone been able to identify the tactical knives used by Arnold and his team? Not the machete but the smaller knife that mac uses to kill the scorpion on dillians sholder.

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Are the shots I added okay? I tried to keep it down on the shots MPM. I bet we now how the most indepth analysis of the armory on the net. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Could i add some screencaps to this page?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

==Widescreen/Fullscreen==
I'm watching this on AMC now and realize I missed guns in the armory because they are only visible on full screen, and I only own the widescreen movie. For instance, I saw a Beretta AR-70 rifle. If someone with a keen eye has the full screen DVD, please feel free to upload. :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== What does this mean? ==
The text below the screencap with Bennet and his Scoremaster:

"Apparently he was instructed to act enough for himself and Arnie."
:What does that mean?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::Probably in reference to Vernon Wells' horrendous overacting of this scene. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 14:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I think you mean '''AWESOME''' overacting.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You've got to like Bennett as a bad guy though. I mean, not only does this guy wear a M1940 military holster for 1911 style pistol, but he's wearing ''chain mail!'' Talk about old school! Plus they use maybe my favorite airplane of all time, the Grumman Goose. -[[User:harleyguy|harleyguy]]

Y'know, a man with a moustache, wearing chain mail and leather pants, doesn't really seem like a match for Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just my .02
-SasquatchJim.

He isn't actually wearing chain mail, it's a normal T-shirt with a pattern that looks like chain mail. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 21:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:Wrong, Bennet really is wearing a WWII era chain mail "commando" vest. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Bennett is actually wearing cotton knit vest. It only appears as chain mail from a distance. If you watch the scene where he and his men hold Arnold down in that room, in close up shots you can see it is clearly not chain mail.

Rockwolf66 please check the facts first. The director himself has said numerous times that the shirt was not chain mail. Plus what this anon man above me has said confirms that it's not chain mail. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:38, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

== Ballistic Knife ==

At the beginning of Matrix's assault on Arius' estate he uses a ballistic knife to depatch a sentry, should'nt this be included on this page?--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:It's not a firearm. Hence it shouldn't be here.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Grenades are not firearms, so technically they shouldn't be included either.... If your read the guidelines, as long as it is military equipment it can be included in a trivia section at the end of the page. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::guys this sort of confusion is entirely our fault (i.e. the mods) for not putting up a guideline. I speak for all (well actually I don't) but I sincerely apologies to our members who have had to put up with mystical and sometimes nonsensical rules that haven't been posted yet. I am trying, and I was actually surprised, new members were actually READING the rules and applying them. I kinda feel guilty in getting pissed off at new guys for screwing up when it was us VETERAN members who screwed up in not formally listing rules and guidelines. I am completely humbled now and (when I get time) will strive to continue with the rules listing (all gleaned from months (has it been years yet?) of consensus from Mods and Veteran users about what should be on the rules listing. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::My point about this particular weapon is in its name, BALLISTIC knife. Its not a ordinary knife as it fires out of a sheaf/handgrip so should be included as it is as relevant as a crossbow and would complete an excellent page.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would be appropriate to include it. It is military weaponry/equipment and I am sure that people would be wondering what it is -heck I was when I first saw the movie. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

== Remington 870 ==

hey what model 870 is matrix using and what are the plate on the left side of the reciever and the brace above the slide for?dalemac37
:I believe it is a copy of the Tactical model designed for the U.S. Marine Corps back in the 1980s. And it's really hard to get nowadays. The extended tube has a clamp on the end. In the USMC version, the end clamp has a bayonet lug. What is difficult is that the shotgun changes (hence the comment about continuity breaks in the film). In some shots it has a rifle rear sight and in some shots the rifle sights are obviously gone. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually it is not intended to be a copy of the Remington 870 Mark I (the USMC designation of the shotgun '''MoviePropMaster2008''' describes). The "tube" under the barrel is actually a commercially sold laser sight designed specifically for the Remington 870 shotgun that had a proprietary "clamp". For the life of me I cannot remember who sold them (or for that matter, who manufactured them). But if someone has access to '''Guns & Ammo''' magazines from the mid to late-1984 period you will probably find an advertisement for one. Further in the bottom image in the section on the weapon you can see part of the power cable that was attached between the magazine tube and barrel. The cord snaked down the gun to the power supply which was stored inside a specifically-modified buttstock. Remember this was during the "Terminator" laser sight craze and laser sights were large and the power supplies bulky. --[[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] 16:10, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== MGC M16 replicas ==

I'm confused, what does it mean that the flash hiders are "upsidedown"? is it like 1 prong on top instead of 2?

==Poster==
Is that poster which is currently up for real? That tagline, "Let's party" looks like a bad joke made by someone --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 06:17, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

I guess you didn't see the ending of the film. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:02, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

It's a line from the film. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:35, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm not seeing that version of the poster on IMDB... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:47, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::There are five versions of that file. We can just revert to an earlier version. But yeah, this is the only version with "Let's Party" on it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:14, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

The one I uploaded was the final one-sheet for the film. One of the files was the dvd cover that was a reversed shot of Arnold and the other was of a lesser quality. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:02, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Desert Eagle ==

I think the Desert Eagle is a .44 magnum because it appears to have a fluted slide in one of the screen shots. I might be wrong though. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:11, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

: The fluted slides are only on the most recent Mark XIX model Deagles, which wouldn't be around 'til several years after this film's release. Indeed, the earliest Mark I Desert Eagle itself was practically brand-new when this film was shot. On a related-note, is it proper to call the Deagle in this film a 'Magnum Research Inc.' one? I was under the impression they didn't handle making the Desert Eagle until some time later (Like the 90s). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:12, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::No it's correct to call it Magnum Research (even though you don't really have to). Most are made in Israel by IMI (now IWI). But they are always going to marked Magnum Research whether it was built in the US or Israel. Because they are the ones who designed it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:30, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::: Ah. Well that's fine. I generally don't like calling it specifically MRI or IMI though, just to avoid that. Whatever though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:16, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::::Yeah, you typically call it after the company that designed it rather than the manufacturer, and I think that's a good precident; here, that would be MR. As an example, we have the DSR-1 at DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1 rather than AMP Technical Services DSR-1 because AMP just marketed it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:56, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

== Bianchi UM84 Holster ==

A question about the black Bianchi UM84 (the holster was not adopted by the US Government until 02 February 1988 and then given the designation Holster, Pistol, M12) holster Major General Kirby is carrying. Is this the first film appearance of this holster? Or does someone know of an earlier film with this type of holster in it? Bianchi applied for the patent on 26 September 1984 for the "Universal Military Holster" so the time frame would fit that this could possibly be the first film to have a UM84 in it. --[[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] 16:45, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

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Sgtmonroe: Remington 870

Are the shots I added okay? I tried to keep it down on the shots MPM. I bet we now how the most indepth analysis of the armory on the net. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Could i add some screencaps to this page?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

==Widescreen/Fullscreen==
I'm watching this on AMC now and realize I missed guns in the armory because they are only visible on full screen, and I only own the widescreen movie. For instance, I saw a Beretta AR-70 rifle. If someone with a keen eye has the full screen DVD, please feel free to upload. :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== What does this mean? ==
The text below the screencap with Bennet and his Scoremaster:

"Apparently he was instructed to act enough for himself and Arnie."
:What does that mean?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::Probably in reference to Vernon Wells' horrendous overacting of this scene. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 14:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I think you mean '''AWESOME''' overacting.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You've got to like Bennett as a bad guy though. I mean, not only does this guy wear a M1940 military holster for 1911 style pistol, but he's wearing ''chain mail!'' Talk about old school! Plus they use maybe my favorite airplane of all time, the Grumman Goose. -[[User:harleyguy|harleyguy]]

Y'know, a man with a moustache, wearing chain mail and leather pants, doesn't really seem like a match for Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just my .02
-SasquatchJim.

He isn't actually wearing chain mail, it's a normal T-shirt with a pattern that looks like chain mail. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 21:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:Wrong, Bennet really is wearing a WWII era chain mail "commando" vest. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Bennett is actually wearing cotton knit vest. It only appears as chain mail from a distance. If you watch the scene where he and his men hold Arnold down in that room, in close up shots you can see it is clearly not chain mail.

Rockwolf66 please check the facts first. The director himself has said numerous times that the shirt was not chain mail. Plus what this anon man above me has said confirms that it's not chain mail. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:38, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

== Ballistic Knife ==

At the beginning of Matrix's assault on Arius' estate he uses a ballistic knife to depatch a sentry, should'nt this be included on this page?--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:It's not a firearm. Hence it shouldn't be here.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Grenades are not firearms, so technically they shouldn't be included either.... If your read the guidelines, as long as it is military equipment it can be included in a trivia section at the end of the page. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::guys this sort of confusion is entirely our fault (i.e. the mods) for not putting up a guideline. I speak for all (well actually I don't) but I sincerely apologies to our members who have had to put up with mystical and sometimes nonsensical rules that haven't been posted yet. I am trying, and I was actually surprised, new members were actually READING the rules and applying them. I kinda feel guilty in getting pissed off at new guys for screwing up when it was us VETERAN members who screwed up in not formally listing rules and guidelines. I am completely humbled now and (when I get time) will strive to continue with the rules listing (all gleaned from months (has it been years yet?) of consensus from Mods and Veteran users about what should be on the rules listing. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::My point about this particular weapon is in its name, BALLISTIC knife. Its not a ordinary knife as it fires out of a sheaf/handgrip so should be included as it is as relevant as a crossbow and would complete an excellent page.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would be appropriate to include it. It is military weaponry/equipment and I am sure that people would be wondering what it is -heck I was when I first saw the movie. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

== Remington 870 ==

hey what model 870 is matrix using and what are the plate on the left side of the reciever and the brace above the slide for?dalemac37
:I believe it is a copy of the Tactical model designed for the U.S. Marine Corps back in the 1980s. And it's really hard to get nowadays. The extended tube has a clamp on the end. In the USMC version, the end clamp has a bayonet lug. What is difficult is that the shotgun changes (hence the comment about continuity breaks in the film). In some shots it has a rifle rear sight and in some shots the rifle sights are obviously gone. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually it is not intended to be a copy of the Remington 870 Mark I (the USMC designation of the shotgun '''MoviePropMaster2008''' describes). The "tube" under the barrel is actually a commercially sold laser sight designed specifically for the Remington 870 shotgun that had a proprietary "clamp". For the life of me I cannot remember who sold them (or for that matter, who manufactured them). But if someone has access to '''Guns & Ammo''' magazines from the mid to late-1984 period you will probably find an advertisement for one. Further in the bottom image in the section on the weapon you can see part of the power cable that was attached between the magazine tube and barrel. The cord snaked down the gun to the power supply which was stored inside a specifically-modified buttstock. Remember this was during the "Terminator" laser sight craze and laser sights were large and the power supplies bulky.--[[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] 16:10, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== MGC M16 replicas ==

I'm confused, what does it mean that the flash hiders are "upsidedown"? is it like 1 prong on top instead of 2?

==Poster==
Is that poster which is currently up for real? That tagline, "Let's party" looks like a bad joke made by someone --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 06:17, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

I guess you didn't see the ending of the film. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:02, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

It's a line from the film. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:35, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm not seeing that version of the poster on IMDB... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:47, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::There are five versions of that file. We can just revert to an earlier version. But yeah, this is the only version with "Let's Party" on it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:14, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

The one I uploaded was the final one-sheet for the film. One of the files was the dvd cover that was a reversed shot of Arnold and the other was of a lesser quality. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:02, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Desert Eagle ==

I think the Desert Eagle is a .44 magnum because it appears to have a fluted slide in one of the screen shots. I might be wrong though. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:11, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

: The fluted slides are only on the most recent Mark XIX model Deagles, which wouldn't be around 'til several years after this film's release. Indeed, the earliest Mark I Desert Eagle itself was practically brand-new when this film was shot. On a related-note, is it proper to call the Deagle in this film a 'Magnum Research Inc.' one? I was under the impression they didn't handle making the Desert Eagle until some time later (Like the 90s). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:12, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::No it's correct to call it Magnum Research (even though you don't really have to). Most are made in Israel by IMI (now IWI). But they are always going to marked Magnum Research whether it was built in the US or Israel. Because they are the ones who designed it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:30, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::: Ah. Well that's fine. I generally don't like calling it specifically MRI or IMI though, just to avoid that. Whatever though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:16, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::::Yeah, you typically call it after the company that designed it rather than the manufacturer, and I think that's a good precident; here, that would be MR. As an example, we have the DSR-1 at DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1 rather than AMP Technical Services DSR-1 because AMP just marketed it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:56, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

Stargate (1994)

2011-03-30T02:58:43Z

Sgtmonroe: /* Glock 17 */ Added Nagada; the name of the city on Abydos.

'''The following weapons are used in the film ''Stargate'':
'''
[[Image:Stargateposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Stargate'' (1994)]]
__TOC__ 

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is utilized to represent the USGI (and USAF) standardized M9 sidearm when in the hands of the USAF exploration team. Colonel Jonathan "Jack" O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) is seen at his house, where his son died, with a "private purchase" [[Beretta 92FS]] early in the film. Due to the Colonel being "inactive reserve", at the time, this (theoretically) would be a [[Beretta 92FS]] he purchased as the "Beretta M9 Special Edition" pistol was not available on the civilian market until 1998.

Later in the film both Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) are seen armed with [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols as part of the USAF team. [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols are also utilized by Technical Sergeant Louis Feretti ([[French Stewart]]) and Dr. Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) at various points in the film. After the entire team has been captured the teenage Abydonian rebels liberate the team's base camp and apparently recover several [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols that are used by them, and the remaining members of the team, during the final battle with Ra's forces.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|[[Beretta 92FS]] - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:DSC00001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel O'Neil [[Kurt Russell]] holds his "private purchase" [[Beretta 92FS]].]]
[[Image:SGMM9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], right) with a [[Beretta 92FS]] as Ra's ship lands on Abydos. Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch 94]] "dressed" to look like a H&K MP5A3 submachine gun.]]
[[Image:SGMM9f.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dr. Jackson ([[James Spader]]) is seen aiming Senior Airman Brown's ([[Derek Webster]]) [[Beretta 92FS]] at Anubis and the Horus guards as they beam down from Ra's ship. See entry in Glock 17 section (below) for explanation on how Jackson ended up with the Beretta.]]
[[Image:SGdanielmp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dr. Jackson ([[James Spader]]) shoots a Horus guard. Sha'uri ([[Mili Avital]]) is also seen with a [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol in this scene]]
[[Image:SGm9daniel.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Glock 17==

All team members, with the exception of Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]), carry [[Glock 17]] pistols. All remain holstered throughout the film with the exception of Lieutenant Colonel Kawalski ([[John Diehl]]) who, in the Special Edition of ''Stargate'', is seen pulling it on the people of Nagada when they are closing the city doors before the sandstorm hits.

[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:Sgglock01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]], left) speaking with Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], right). Kawalsky's Glock can be seen in his holster.]]
[[Image:Sgglock02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], left) briefs Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]). Jackson is carrying a Glock in a holster on his right side.]]
[[Image:Sgglock03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) and Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) approach the base camp. Both have Glocks in holsters.]]
[[Image:Sgglock04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], center) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], center dragging a case) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) going through the contents of his vest. In the foreground is his belt with holstered Glock. Shortly after this scene Jackson finds the beast of burden and is drug across the desert by it. Not so obvious is the fact he leaves his weapon behind. Later in the film Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) gives Jackson his Beretta 92FS before the team re-enters the temple after Ra's spacecraft has landed.]]
[[Image:Sgglock07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], left) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Stargate 000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky draws his Glock.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16A1]] rifles are carried by the USAF guards in the Stargate Command Center.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SGM16A2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
'''M16A1 with A2 handguards'''
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 with A2 handguards.]]
[[Image:SGm16a2handguards.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with A2 handguards in the foreground]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A2==
Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]]) are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to resemble the H&K MP5A2 submachine gun. Both are fitted with Surefire flashlight forearms and telescopic sights on STANAG mounts. The same faux MP5A2 submachine guns are used by the rebelling people of Abydos (namely Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) and a band of teenage rebels) later in the movie when they fight Ra's forces (the rebels had found the weapons in the team's equipment cases at their base camp).
[[Image:HK_94A2chopped.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK 94A2]]
[[Image:Stargate-Ramp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) prepares to enter the Stargate with his HK94 conversion at the ready. ]]
[[Image:SGMMP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SGMMP51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], right) is seen cleaning sand out of the breach of his HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmp5ex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) shoots into the air with a HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ferretti ([[French Stewart]]), Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]), and a number of the young rebels are armed with HK94s (sans telescopic sight) during their battle with Ra's forces.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A3==
Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]]), Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]]), and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to resemble the H&K MP5A3 submachine gun (with "wide" forearm). Like the faux MP5A2 submachine guns, the faux MP5A3 submachine guns are also used by the Abydos rebels after they are found in the team's base camp.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK94A3]]
[[Image:Stargate-USAF-lineup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neil's team stands ready with their HK94's.]]
[[Image:Sgmp58.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Feretti ([[French Stewart]]) gets knocked down while holding his HK94.]]
[[Image:SGmp5a32.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) with his HK94A3.]]

==Heckler & Koch SR9TC==
Lt. Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]) can be seen carrying the [[Heckler & Koch G3#Heckler & Koch SR9TC|Heckler & Koch SR9TC]], outfitted with the HK91 wide forearm. (Note: while John Diehl is officially credited as "Lieutenant Kawalsky," he wears a Lieutenant Colonel's insignia throughout the film.)

[[Image:H&KSR9T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGsr9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Kawalsky with his SR9]]
[[Image:SGsr93.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Stargate-Dunes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky carries the H&K SR9TC Rifle - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:SGSR9TC1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neill and Kawalsky stay low on a sand dune when they see Ra's ship in the distance]]
[[Image:SGsr97.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The locals recover Kawalsky's SR9 (as well as another SR9 rifle from the team's base camp) and use them against Ra's forces.]]

==Mossberg Bullpup==

Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) carries a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_500.2F590_Bullpup|Mossberg 500]] in a bullpup stock.
[[Image:Mossberg_Bullpup.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) armed with Mossberg Bullpup while Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], left) is armed with a HK94A2]]
[[Image:SGmossbergbullpup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:Stargate-Hall.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right rear) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The young rebel on the far right fires a Mossberg Bullpup.]]

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Stargate (1994)

2011-03-30T02:54:31Z

Sgtmonroe: /* Beretta 92FS */ Cleaned up and added characters that ACTUALLY used the pistol in the film.

'''The following weapons are used in the film ''Stargate'':
'''
[[Image:Stargateposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Stargate'' (1994)]]
__TOC__ 

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is utilized to represent the USGI (and USAF) standardized M9 sidearm when in the hands of the USAF exploration team. Colonel Jonathan "Jack" O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) is seen at his house, where his son died, with a "private purchase" [[Beretta 92FS]] early in the film. Due to the Colonel being "inactive reserve", at the time, this (theoretically) would be a [[Beretta 92FS]] he purchased as the "Beretta M9 Special Edition" pistol was not available on the civilian market until 1998.

Later in the film both Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) are seen armed with [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols as part of the USAF team. [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols are also utilized by Technical Sergeant Louis Feretti ([[French Stewart]]) and Dr. Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) at various points in the film. After the entire team has been captured the teenage Abydonian rebels liberate the team's base camp and apparently recover several [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols that are used by them, and the remaining members of the team, during the final battle with Ra's forces.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|[[Beretta 92FS]] - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:DSC00001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel O'Neil [[Kurt Russell]] holds his "private purchase" [[Beretta 92FS]].]]
[[Image:SGMM9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], right) with a [[Beretta 92FS]] as Ra's ship lands on Abydos. Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch 94]] "dressed" to look like a H&K MP5A3 submachine gun.]]
[[Image:SGMM9f.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dr. Jackson ([[James Spader]]) is seen aiming Senior Airman Brown's ([[Derek Webster]]) [[Beretta 92FS]] at Anubis and the Horus guards as they beam down from Ra's ship. See entry in Glock 17 section (below) for explanation on how Jackson ended up with the Beretta.]]
[[Image:SGdanielmp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dr. Jackson ([[James Spader]]) shoots a Horus guard. Sha'uri ([[Mili Avital]]) is also seen with a [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol in this scene]]
[[Image:SGm9daniel.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Glock 17==

All team members, with the exception of Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]), carry [[Glock 17]] pistols. All remain holstered throughout the film with the exception of Lieutenant Colonel Kawalski ([[John Diehl]]) who, in the Special Edition of ''Stargate'', is seen pulling it on the people of Abydos when the residents of the city closed the city doors before the sandstorm hit.

[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:Sgglock01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]], left) speaking with Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], right). Kawalsky's Glock can be seen in his holster.]]
[[Image:Sgglock02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], left) briefs Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]). Jackson is carrying a Glock in a holster on his right side.]]
[[Image:Sgglock03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) and Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) approach the base camp. Both have Glocks in holsters.]]
[[Image:Sgglock04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], center) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], center dragging a case) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) going through the contents of his vest. In the foreground is his belt with holstered Glock. Shortly after this scene Jackson finds the beast of burden and is drug across the desert by it. Not so obvious is the fact he leaves his weapon behind. Later in the film Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) gives Jackson his Beretta 92FS before the team re-enters the temple after Ra's spacecraft has landed.]]
[[Image:Sgglock07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], left) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Stargate 000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky draws his Glock.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16A1]] rifles are carried by the USAF guards in the Stargate Command Center.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SGM16A2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
'''M16A1 with A2 handguards'''
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 with A2 handguards.]]
[[Image:SGm16a2handguards.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with A2 handguards in the foreground]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A2==
Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]]) are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to resemble the H&K MP5A2 submachine gun. Both are fitted with Surefire flashlight forearms and telescopic sights on STANAG mounts. The same faux MP5A2 submachine guns are used by the rebelling people of Abydos (namely Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) and a band of teenage rebels) later in the movie when they fight Ra's forces (the rebels had found the weapons in the team's equipment cases at their base camp).
[[Image:HK_94A2chopped.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK 94A2]]
[[Image:Stargate-Ramp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) prepares to enter the Stargate with his HK94 conversion at the ready. ]]
[[Image:SGMMP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SGMMP51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], right) is seen cleaning sand out of the breach of his HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmp5ex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) shoots into the air with a HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ferretti ([[French Stewart]]), Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]), and a number of the young rebels are armed with HK94s (sans telescopic sight) during their battle with Ra's forces.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A3==
Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]]), Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]]), and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to resemble the H&K MP5A3 submachine gun (with "wide" forearm). Like the faux MP5A2 submachine guns, the faux MP5A3 submachine guns are also used by the Abydos rebels after they are found in the team's base camp.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK94A3]]
[[Image:Stargate-USAF-lineup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neil's team stands ready with their HK94's.]]
[[Image:Sgmp58.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Feretti ([[French Stewart]]) gets knocked down while holding his HK94.]]
[[Image:SGmp5a32.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) with his HK94A3.]]

==Heckler & Koch SR9TC==
Lt. Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]) can be seen carrying the [[Heckler & Koch G3#Heckler & Koch SR9TC|Heckler & Koch SR9TC]], outfitted with the HK91 wide forearm. (Note: while John Diehl is officially credited as "Lieutenant Kawalsky," he wears a Lieutenant Colonel's insignia throughout the film.)

[[Image:H&KSR9T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGsr9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Kawalsky with his SR9]]
[[Image:SGsr93.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Stargate-Dunes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky carries the H&K SR9TC Rifle - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:SGSR9TC1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neill and Kawalsky stay low on a sand dune when they see Ra's ship in the distance]]
[[Image:SGsr97.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The locals recover Kawalsky's SR9 (as well as another SR9 rifle from the team's base camp) and use them against Ra's forces.]]

==Mossberg Bullpup==

Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) carries a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_500.2F590_Bullpup|Mossberg 500]] in a bullpup stock.
[[Image:Mossberg_Bullpup.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) armed with Mossberg Bullpup while Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], left) is armed with a HK94A2]]
[[Image:SGmossbergbullpup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:Stargate-Hall.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right rear) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The young rebel on the far right fires a Mossberg Bullpup.]]

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Stargate (1994)

2011-03-30T01:06:11Z

Sgtmonroe: Added information about which characters are armed with HK94s and which versions.

'''The following weapons are used in the film ''Stargate'':
'''
[[Image:Stargateposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Stargate'' (1994)]]
__TOC__ 

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is the standard sidearm of Colonel Jack O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]). The pistol is seen both at his house where his son died and as his sidearm on the planet. Also seen in the hands of the other USAF team members as well as Dr. Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]). Beretta 92FS pistols were also used by the teenage rebels on Abydos, especially during their battle with Ra's forces.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:DSC00001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Jack O'Neil holds his personally owned Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:SGMM9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Louis Feretti ([[French Stewart]], right) has his Beretta 92FS at the ready when Ra's ship lands on Abydos. Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) is armed with a HK94A3.]]
[[Image:SGMM9f.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) is seen aiming Senior Airman Brown's ([[Derek Webster]]) Beretta 92FS at Anubis and the Horus guards as they beam down from Ra's ship. See entry in Glock 17 section (below) for explanation on how Jackson ended up with the Beretta.]]
[[Image:SGdanielmp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson shoots a Horus guard. Sha'uri ([[Mili Avital]]) is also seen with a Beretta 92FS handgun in this scene]]
[[Image:SGm9daniel.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Glock 17==

All team members, with the exception of Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]), carry [[Glock 17]] pistols. All remain holstered throughout the film with the exception of Lieutenant Colonel Kawalski ([[John Diehl]]) who, in the Special Edition of ''Stargate'', is seen pulling it on the people of Abydos when the residents of the city closed the city doors before the sandstorm hit.

[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:Sgglock01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]], left) speaking with Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], right). Kawalsky's Glock can be seen in his holster.]]
[[Image:Sgglock02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], left) briefs Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]). Jackson is carrying a Glock in a holster on his right side.]]
[[Image:Sgglock03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) and Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) approach the base camp. Both have Glocks in holsters.]]
[[Image:Sgglock04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], center) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], center dragging a case) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) going through the contents of his vest. In the foreground is his belt with holstered Glock. Shortly after this scene Jackson finds the beast of burden and is drug across the desert by it. Not so obvious is the fact he leaves his weapon behind. Later in the film Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) gives Jackson his Beretta 92FS before the team re-enters the temple after Ra's spacecraft has landed.]]
[[Image:Sgglock07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]], left) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Stargate 000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky draws his Glock.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16A1]] rifles are carried by the USAF guards in the Stargate Command Center.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SGM16A2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
'''M16A1 with A2 handguards'''
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 with A2 handguards.]]
[[Image:SGm16a2handguards.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with A2 handguards in the foreground]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A2==
Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]]) are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to resemble the H&K MP5A2 submachine gun. Both are fitted with Surefire flashlight forearms and telescopic sights on STANAG mounts. The same faux MP5A2 submachine guns are used by the rebelling people of Abydos (namely Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) and a band of teenage rebels) later in the movie when they fight Ra's forces (the rebels had found the weapons in the team's equipment cases at their base camp).
[[Image:HK_94A2chopped.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK 94A2]]
[[Image:Stargate-Ramp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) prepares to enter the Stargate with his HK94 conversion at the ready. ]]
[[Image:SGMMP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SGMMP51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], right) is seen cleaning sand out of the breach of his HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmp5ex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) shoots into the air with a HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ferretti ([[French Stewart]]), Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]), and a number of the young rebels are armed with HK94s (sans telescopic sight) during their battle with Ra's forces.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A3==
Technical Sergeant Feretti ([[French Stewart]]), Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]]), and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to resemble the H&K MP5A3 submachine gun (with "wide" forearm). Like the faux MP5A2 submachine guns, the faux MP5A3 submachine guns are also used by the Abydos rebels after they are found in the team's base camp.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK94A3]]
[[Image:Stargate-USAF-lineup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neil's team stands ready with their HK94's.]]
[[Image:Sgmp58.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Feretti ([[French Stewart]]) gets knocked down while holding his HK94.]]
[[Image:SGmp5a32.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) with his HK94A3.]]

==Heckler & Koch SR9TC==
Lt. Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]) can be seen carrying the [[Heckler & Koch G3#Heckler & Koch SR9TC|Heckler & Koch SR9TC]], outfitted with the HK91 wide forearm. (Note: while John Diehl is officially credited as "Lieutenant Kawalsky," he wears a Lieutenant Colonel's insignia throughout the film.)

[[Image:H&KSR9T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGsr9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Kawalsky with his SR9]]
[[Image:SGsr93.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Stargate-Dunes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky carries the H&K SR9TC Rifle - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:SGSR9TC1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neill and Kawalsky stay low on a sand dune when they see Ra's ship in the distance]]
[[Image:SGsr97.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The locals recover Kawalsky's SR9 (as well as another SR9 rifle from the team's base camp) and use them against Ra's forces.]]

==Mossberg Bullpup==

Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) carries a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_500.2F590_Bullpup|Mossberg 500]] in a bullpup stock.
[[Image:Mossberg_Bullpup.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) armed with Mossberg Bullpup while Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], left) is armed with a HK94A2]]
[[Image:SGmossbergbullpup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:Stargate-Hall.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right rear) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The young rebel on the far right fires a Mossberg Bullpup.]]

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'''The following weapons are used in the film ''Stargate'':
'''
[[Image:Stargateposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Stargate'' (1994)]]
__TOC__ 

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is the standard sidearm of Colonel Jack O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]). The pistol is seen both at his house where his son died and as his sidearm on the planet. Also seen in the hands of the other USAF team members as well as Dr. Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]). Beretta 92FS pistols were also used by the teenage rebels on Abydos, especially during their battle with Ra's forces.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:DSC00001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Jack O'Neil holds his personally owned Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:SGMM9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Louis Ferretti ([[French Stewart]], right) has his Beretta 92FS at the ready when Ra's ship lands on Abydos. Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) is armed with a HK94A3.]]
[[Image:SGMM9f.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) is seen aiming Senior Airman Brown's ([[Derek Webster]]) Beretta 92FS at Anubis and the Horus guards as they beam down from Ra's ship. See entry in Glock 17 section (below) for explanation on how Jackson ended up with the Beretta.]]
[[Image:SGdanielmp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson shoots a Horus guard. Sha'uri ([[Mili Avital]]) is also seen with a Beretta 92FS handgun in this scene]]
[[Image:SGm9daniel.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Glock 17==

All team members, with the exception of Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]), carry [[Glock 17]] pistols. All remain holstered throughout the film with the exception of Lieutenant Colonel Kawalski ([[John Diehl]]) who, in the Special Edition of ''Stargate'', is seen pulling it on the people of Abydos when the residents of the city closed the city doors before the sandstorm hit.

[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:Sgglock01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]], left) speaking with Technical Sergeant Ferretti ([[French Stewart]], right). Kawalsky's Glock can be seen in his holster.]]
[[Image:Sgglock02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], left) briefs Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]). Jackson is carrying a Glock in a holster on his right side.]]
[[Image:Sgglock03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) and Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) approach the base camp. Both have Glocks in holsters.]]
[[Image:Sgglock04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Ferretti ([[French Stewart]], center) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], center dragging a case) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) going through the contents of his vest. In the foreground is his belt with holstered Glock. Shortly after this scene Jackson finds the beast of burden and is drug across the desert by it. Not so obvious is the fact he leaves his weapon behind. Later in the film Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) gives Jackson his Beretta 92FS before the team re-enters the temple after Ra's spacecraft has landed.]]
[[Image:Sgglock07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Ferretti ([[French Stewart]], left) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Stargate 000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky draws his Glock.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16A1]] rifles are carried by the USAF guards in the Stargate Command Center.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SGM16A2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
'''M16A1 with A2 handguards'''
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 with A2 handguards.]]
[[Image:SGm16a2handguards.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with A2 handguards in the foreground]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A2==
The majority of Col. O'Neil's team are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to resemble MP5A2s. Some are fitted with scopes and the tactical flashlight in the foregrip and some with plain wide forearms. The same HK94s were also used by the rebelling people of Abydos (namely Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) and a band of teenage rebels) later in the movie when they fight Ra's forces.
[[Image:HK_94A2chopped.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK 94A2]]
[[Image:Stargate-Ramp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Col. Jack O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) prepares to enter the Stargate with his HK94 conversion at the ready. ]]
[[Image:SGMMP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SGMMP51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], right) is seen cleaning sand out of the breach of his HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmp5ex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) shoots into the air with a HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ferretti ([[French Stewart]]), Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]), and a number of the young rebels are armed with HK94s during their battle with Ra's forces.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A3==
Some members of Col. O'Neil's team (most notably Senior Airman Brown) are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]'s chopped and converted to resemble MP5A3.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK94A3]]
[[Image:Stargate-USAF-lineup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neil's team stands ready with their HK94's.]]
[[Image:Sgmp58.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ferretti ([[French Stewart]]) gets knocked down while holding his HK94.]]
[[Image:SGmp5a32.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) with his HK94A3.]]

==Heckler & Koch SR9TC==
Lt. Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]) can be seen carrying the [[Heckler & Koch G3#Heckler & Koch SR9TC|Heckler & Koch SR9TC]], outfitted with the HK91 wide forearm. (Note: while John Diehl is officially credited as "Lieutenant Kawalsky," he wears a Lieutenant Colonel's insignia throughout the film.)

[[Image:H&KSR9T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGsr9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Kawalsky with his SR9]]
[[Image:SGsr93.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Stargate-Dunes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky carries the H&K SR9TC Rifle - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:SGSR9TC1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neill and Kawalsky stay low on a sand dune when they see Ra's ship in the distance]]
[[Image:SGsr97.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The locals recover Kawalsky's SR9 (as well as another SR9 rifle from the team's base camp) and use them against Ra's forces.]]

==Mossberg Bullpup==

Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) carries a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_500.2F590_Bullpup|Mossberg 500]] in a bullpup stock.
[[Image:Mossberg_Bullpup.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) armed with Mossberg Bullpup while Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], left) is armed with a HK94A2]]
[[Image:SGmossbergbullpup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:Stargate-Hall.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right rear) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The young rebel on the far right fires a Mossberg 500 Bullpup.]]

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Sgtmonroe: /* Glock 17 */ Added information about team members that carried Glocks.

'''The following weapons are used in the film ''Stargate'':
'''
[[Image:Stargateposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Stargate'' (1994)]]
__TOC__ 

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is the standard sidearm of Colonel Jack O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]). The pistol is seen both at his house where his son died and as his sidearm on the planet. Also seen in the hands of the other USAF team members as well as Dr. Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]). Beretta 92FS pistols were also used by the teenage rebels on Abydos, especially during their battle with Ra's forces.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:DSC00001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Jack O'Neil holds his personally owned Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:SGMM9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Louis Ferretti ([[French Stewart]], right) has his Beretta 92FS at the ready when Ra's ship lands on Abydos. Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) is armed with a HK94A3.]]
[[Image:SGMM9f.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) is seen aiming his Beretta 92FS at Anubis and the Horus guards as they beam down from Ra's ship.]]
[[Image:SGdanielmp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson shoots a Horus guard. Sha'uri ([[Mili Avital]]) is also seen with a Beretta 92FS handgun in this scene]]
[[Image:SGm9daniel.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Glock 17==

All team members, with the exception of Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]), carry [[Glock 17]] pistols. All remain holstered throughout the film with the exception of Lieutenant Colonel Kawalski ([[John Diehl]]) who, in the Special Edition of ''Stargate'', is seen pulling it on the people of Abydos when the residents of the city closed the city doors before the sandstorm hit.

[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:Sgglock01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]], left) speaking with Technical Sergeant Ferretti ([[French Stewart]], right). Kawalsky's Glock can be seen in his holster.]]
[[Image:Sgglock02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], left) briefs Colonel O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) and Lieutenant Colonel Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]). Jackson is carrying a Glock in a holster on his right side.]]
[[Image:Sgglock03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Staff Sergeant Freeman ([[Christopher John Fields]], left) and Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) approach the base camp. Both have Glocks in holsters.]]
[[Image:Sgglock04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Ferretti ([[French Stewart]], center) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]], center dragging a case) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Sgglock06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daniel Jackson ([[James Spader]]) going through the contents of his vest. In the foreground is his belt with holstered Glock. Shortly after this scene Jackson finds the beast of burden and is drug across the desert by it. Not so obvious is the fact he leaves his weapon behind. Later in the film Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) gives Jackson his Beretta 92FS before the team re-enters the temple after Ra's spacecraft has landed.]]
[[Image:Sgglock07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Ferretti ([[French Stewart]], left) with a holstered Glock.]]
[[Image:Stargate 000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky draws his Glock.]]

==M16A1==
[[M16A1]] rifles are carried by the USAF guards in the Stargate Command Center.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SGM16A2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
'''M16A1 with A2 handguards'''
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 with A2 handguards.]]
[[Image:SGm16a2handguards.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with A2 handguards in the foreground]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A2==
The majority of Col. O'Neil's team are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to resemble MP5A2s. Some are fitted with scopes and the tactical flashlight in the foregrip and some with plain wide forearms. The same HK94s were also used by the rebelling people of Abydos (namely Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) and a band of teenage rebels) later in the movie when they fight Ra's forces.
[[Image:HK_94A2chopped.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK 94A2]]
[[Image:Stargate-Ramp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Col. Jack O'Neil ([[Kurt Russell]]) prepares to enter the Stargate with his HK94 conversion at the ready. ]]
[[Image:SGMMP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SGMMP51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], right) is seen cleaning sand out of the breach of his HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmp5ex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]) shoots into the air with a HK94A2.]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ferretti ([[French Stewart]]), Skaara ([[Alexis Cruz]]), and a number of the young rebels are armed with HK94s during their battle with Ra's forces.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A3==
Some members of Col. O'Neil's team (most notably Senior Airman Brown) are armed with 9mm [[Heckler & Koch HK94]]'s chopped and converted to resemble MP5A3.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK94A3]]
[[Image:Stargate-USAF-lineup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neil's team stands ready with their HK94's.]]
[[Image:Sgmp58.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ferretti ([[French Stewart]]) gets knocked down while holding his HK94.]]
[[Image:SGmp5a32.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Senior Airman Brown ([[Derek Webster]]) with his HK94A3.]]

==Heckler & Koch SR9TC==
Lt. Kawalsky ([[John Diehl]]) can be seen carrying the [[Heckler & Koch G3#Heckler & Koch SR9TC|Heckler & Koch SR9TC]], outfitted with the HK91 wide forearm. (Note: while John Diehl is officially credited as "Lieutenant Kawalsky," he wears a Lieutenant Colonel's insignia throughout the film.)

[[Image:H&KSR9T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGsr9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Kawalsky with his SR9]]
[[Image:SGsr93.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Stargate-Dunes.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kawalsky carries the H&K SR9TC Rifle - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:SGSR9TC1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Neill and Kawalsky stay low on a sand dune when they see Ra's ship in the distance]]
[[Image:SGsr97.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The locals recover Kawalsky's SR9 (as well as another SR9 rifle from the team's base camp) and use them against Ra's forces.]]

==Mossberg Bullpup==

Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) carries a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_500.2F590_Bullpup|Mossberg 500]] in a bullpup stock.
[[Image:Mossberg_Bullpup.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:SGMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right) armed with Mossberg Bullpup while Airman First Class Reilly ([[Jack Moore]], left) is armed with a HK94A2]]
[[Image:SGmossbergbullpup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]]) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:Stargate-Hall.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Airman First Class Porro ([[Steve Giannelli]], right rear) armed with Mossberg Bullpup]]
[[Image:SGmossberg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The young rebel on the far right fires a Mossberg 500 Bullpup.]]

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