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Talk:The Punisher - Season 2

2019-03-28T20:35:24Z

Serpico1911: /* Frank's Kimber */

== A note on titling ==

I have added a DEFAULTSORT magic word to the page. This page will now be sorted by P instead of by T in categories, and thus no longer needs to have its "The" moved to the end of the title.--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 23:35, 17 January 2019 (EST)

The page no longer needs to have "The" moved to the end of the title. Why did we move it to the end of the title? I have shown that it is not necessary. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 14:53, 22 January 2019 (EST)

==Frank's Kimber==

I'm not sure if the Kimber Frank carries in Season 2 is the Warrior. It doesn't look like it has a rail on it but it does have the Novak sights. Also in episode 10 there's a shot of Frank loading his pistol and when he releases the slide the markings on the right side of the slide are visible but blurred. They look to say US and then two other words if I recall correctly not just one word. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 15:58, 20 January 2019 (EST)

I'm fairly sure it was a Kimber Custom TLE. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:29, 23 January 2019 (EST)
[[File:PunisherS2E10_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of Castle's pistol in "The Dark Hearts of Man" (S2E10).]]

The markings are in the wrong place for the TLE and they're too long as well. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 16:51, 28 February 2019 (EST)
:You can see the same thing on the 2nd pic of the season one page. Maybe a Warrior slide on a different frame? Although actually, the writing on the slide doesn't seem to match up either. I've scrolled through the 1911, Kimber and Para page and I can't find anything that matches. I'm thinking this might be a custom job. I found a [https://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1700/8028468/7be51f9a4eb3b319670aa6149ac926d7.jpg Llama 1911] that was a pretty close match but it has that rectangular extractor piece(not sure what it's called) that extends into the rear serrations, other than that it matches up perfectly. Slide serrations match, placement of the writing matches up. The sights and trigger are different but that can be done post-factory. --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 08:46, 4 March 2019 (EST)
::I'm sure I see an S.S. rollmark on the slide so it could be an anodized stainless steel M1911 with some wear along the slide because that chicken scratch doesn't look appropriate for any part of the alphabet. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 10:13, 4 March 2019 (EST)
:::Assuming it's the same gun, there's quite a few good shots of it at about 16 minutes into episode 6 if that helps--[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 09:16, 5 March 2019 (EST)
::::Can we put it as a "Custom M1911A1 (Kimber Hybrid)" or something along the lines of that? Since it has parts from different Kimber (maybe multiple different manufacturers) 1911s --[[User:I'mallaboutguns.1|I'mallaboutguns.1]] ([[User talk:I'mallaboutguns.1|talk]]) 09:37, 5 March 2019 (EST)
:::::The problem is, we're not even sure where the different parts come from. Yes, the slide says kimber on the left side but the markings on the opposite side don't match up to anything --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 03:50, 6 March 2019 (EST)
:::::: According to IMDB, [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2677021/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr590 this guy] was an armourer for season 1, which I'm pretty sure has the same 1911 but with tan grips, would anyone be able to reach out to him and see if he can help ID it? There's also Russo's AR15 from season 1 that needs to be IDed. --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 06:24, 6 March 2019 (EST)

::::::::[[File:Example.jpg]] I found a Kimber known as MCSOCOM DET-1 which had all the features shown in Frank's gun while the roll marks are on the frame instead of the slide (for some kind of copy right issue I would think) seems to be the same as the one on Frank's I would assume this is the version he uses not the Warrior ([[User talk:Serpico1911|talk]]) 03:31, 28 March 2019 (EST)

==Not a MK12==

I think the magazine is too wide to be a 5.56 mag. I think it's a 7.62. In the script, Curtis even calls it an AR-10 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:53, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Judging by the forward assist built into the brass deflector, I'm thinking it's a [[Remington R25]]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:36, 22 January 2019 (EST)

Maybe we should just call it an AR-10 because it looks like it has a bunch of different things one it. 16:23, 22 January 2019 (EST)

Both receivers are a perfect match for the R25. The raised ridges at the seam where they separate, the longer trigger box, the lack of any fencing on the lower receiver. Everything else like the handguard and buttstock is more or less interchangeable between platforms and thus would fit everything from an R25 to an AR-10 to an SR-25. I think it's best to ID based on the receivers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:19, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Missed Easter egg opportunity ==
When Frank donned the NYPD uniform to escape the hospital, I was a bit disappointed when the name tag didn't say [[Walking Dead, The - Season 1|Walsh]]. :( [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:33, 23 January 2019 (EST)
:Well we did get an easter egg like that in GTA V if that makes you feel any better --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 08:55, 4 March 2019 (EST)
::John Bernthal isn't part of GTA V's voice cast, though, which is why it's much more unfortunate here. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:18, 4 March 2019 (EST)

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID these weapons. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 17:55, 24 January 2019 (EST)
[[File:PunisherS2E13 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:PunisherS2E13 14.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:PunisherS2E13 19.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

The pistol in Pilgrim's hands looks like a P250 Compact (I can't make out any forward slide serrations like on the P320), the suppressed carbine in the hands of the CIA guard with his back to the camera in the second screenshot looks like an HK416 judging by the angled edges of the handguard, and the SBRs Frank is using in the third screenshot are probably the same model of 9mm SBR that Russo used in his shootout with Frank and the NYPD. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:22, 25 January 2019 (EST)

== Netflix and Marvel are apparently done ==
The last remaining shows, this and ''[[Jessica Jones]]'', are finished. [https://www.wired.com/story/netflix-canceled-jessica-jones-punisher/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 14:38, 19 February 2019 (EST)

== Finally, a show that knows how Glocks work! ==

Made my day when Frank said "Just point and shoot, there's no safety.". They definitely put quite a bit of thought into the guns used in this show. --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 05:13, 4 March 2019 (EST)
: They did something like that on ''The Rookie'', the Nathan Fillon cop show. One of the older officers pulls the whole "not with the safety on" trick on a gunman, then tackles him when he looks. Another office then picks up the gun and notes that it is as Glock, it has no safety.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:12, 22 March 2019 (EDT)

== Hardin's sidearm ==

Sheriff Hardin has a 1911 with Colt medallion grips holstered, not sure which variant it is though, the grip can be seen somewhat clearly towards the end of episode 2 when he's talking to Frank. --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 05:55, 4 March 2019 (EST)

== Browning HP ==

The hitman with a ponytail uses a Browning Hi-power in episode 9, it can be seen at about 43 minutes in --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 02:20, 6 March 2019 (EST)

== Amy's sidearm ==

In "The Whirlwind" (S2E13), Amy carries a gun and threatens the Schultz's with it. I'm not too sure what it was, but it seemed to be a SIG-Sauer variant. --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 16:01, 22 March 2019 (EDT)

== Mossberg Shotgun Magazine ==

Correct me if I'm wrong but does the Mossberg Shotgun and a Magazine attached to it?
:Yep, looks like the new 590M with a detachable double-stack magazine (a 20-rounder, judging by the length). Also, don't forget to sign your posts - type "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" without the quotation marks after your messages on talk pages. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:39, 22 March 2019 (EDT)
::Okay Thank You--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 16:42, 22 March 2019 (EDT)

Den of Thieves

2018-05-10T17:34:17Z

Serpico1911: /* Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 */

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|name=''Den of Thieves''
|picture=DOT.jpg
|caption=''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director=Christian Gudegast
|date= 2018
|studio=
|distributor=STXfilms
|character1=Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien
|actor1=[[Gerard Butler]]
|character2=Ray Merrimen
|actor2=[[Pablo Schreiber]]
|character3=Levi Enson
|actor3=[[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]
|character4=Donnie Wilson
|actor4=[[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]
}}

{{Film Title}}

__TOC__ 

{{Spoilers}}

=Handguns=

==Beretta 92FS==
One of O'Brien's officers has a holstered Beretta 92FS.
[[File:DoT_Beretta_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is one of the handguns used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Den 149.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]

==FN FNX Tactical 45==
LA Sheriff's Department Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]) carries an [[FN FNX Tactical 45]] with a C-MORE STS red dot sight. This is his tactical weapon which he switched to for the final shoot out.
[[File:FNX45T.jpg|thumb|none|300px|FNX-45 Tactical - .45 ACP]]
[[File:DenFN45.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image of "Big Nick" with his pistol.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK45C==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] also appears to be used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:HK45C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK45C - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Den of Thieves P30.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image of the [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] being used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]) to threaten Donnie ([[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]).]]
[[File:Den 127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] also appears to be used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]

==Walther PPQ Tactical==
Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]) also carries the tactical model of the [[Walther PPQ]].
[[Image:WaltherPPQ Tact.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPQ Tactical - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Den 143.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The pistol is held in the air.]]

==Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0==
O'Brien's [[Smith & Wesson M&P|Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0]] sitting on the counter. This is his standard Duty weapon which can be seen in appendix carry several time during the film.
[[File:S&W M&P 2.0.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:DoT_MP_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Notice the grip and the loss of the tactical barrel and front slide serrations.]]
[[File:Den 148.jpg|thumb|none|603px|Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]) fires the pistol while on a shooting range.]]

==M1911A1-Pattern Pistol==
"Tony Z" has an M1911A1-pattern pistol in his holster at the end shootout.
[[File:DoT_M1911_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

=Rifles/Carbines=
== FN SCAR-L ==
The [[FN SCAR-L]] is used by Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]).
[[Image:Scar l std.jpg|thumb|450px|none|FN SCAR-L STD - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Den 125.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[FN SCAR-L]] is used by Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]).]]
[[File:Den 117.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien retrieves his SCAR-L from the Regulators armory.]]
[[File:Den 134.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien opens fire on Merrimen and his crew with the SCAR-L.]]
[[File:DenOfThieves_SCARL_NoMag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien seems to have forgotten his magazine in this shot]]

==Noveske N4 Diplomat==
The [[Noveske N4 Diplomat]] is primarily used by Bo 'Bosco' Ostroman ([[Evan Jones]]), a member of Merrimen's crew.
[[File:Current_Noveske_diplomat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Noveske N4 Diplomat - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:DoT_N4_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The N4 can be distinguished as such by the flash suppressor and forward assist.]]
[[File:Den 104.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Noveske N4 Diplomat]] is used by Bo 'Bosco' Ostroman ([[Evan Jones]]), one of Merrimen's crew.]]
[[File:Den 111.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bosco uses his N4 to destroy a bank security camera.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK416|Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS]] is used by Merrimen.
[[File:HK416DModo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|HK416 D10RS with M68 Aimpoint and Troy VFG – 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:DoT_416_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen uses an HK416 in the opening heist.]]
[[File:Den 112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen trains his HK416 on the branch manager during the bank heist.]]
[[File:DoT_416_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==CAA Tactical RONI-SI1==
What appears to be a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] mounted in a [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is seen in the hands of Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]).
[[File:CAA RONI-SI1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1 with a SIG-Sauer P226 mounted underneath with foregrip extended out.]]
[[File:Den 106.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is used during the opening heist.]]
[[File:Den 123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is seen in the hands of Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]).]]

==M4A1 Carbine==
The [[M4A1 Carbine]] is wielded multiple times in the movie.
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[File:Den 101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen hands off an M4A1 to Donnie ([[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]).]]
[[File:Den 124.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M4A1 is used by Det.'Tony Z' Zapata ([[Kaiwi Lyman]]) .]]
[[File:DoT_M4Switch.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At one point in the end shootout, Merrimen's 416 turns into a similarly-outfitted M4A1.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
One of O'Brien's officers uses a Remington 870 in the end shootout.
[[File:DoT_Remington_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Saiga 12==
One of Merrimen's crew uses a Saiga 12 in the opening heist. It's outfitted with a "chainsaw" style grip and a 20-round drum.
[[File:DoT_Saiga_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
== M249 SAW Paratrooper ==
An [[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:Fn mg m249para11-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M249 SAW Paratrooper - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:Den 128.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]
[[File:Den 153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen fires the M249.]]

[[Category: Movie]]
[[Category: Drama]]
[[Category: Detective]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Den of Thieves

2018-05-10T17:33:56Z

Serpico1911: /* FN FNX Tactical 45 */

{{incomplete}}

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name=''Den of Thieves''
|picture=DOT.jpg
|caption=''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director=Christian Gudegast
|date= 2018
|studio=
|distributor=STXfilms
|character1=Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien
|actor1=[[Gerard Butler]]
|character2=Ray Merrimen
|actor2=[[Pablo Schreiber]]
|character3=Levi Enson
|actor3=[[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]
|character4=Donnie Wilson
|actor4=[[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]
}}

{{Film Title}}

__TOC__ 

{{Spoilers}}

=Handguns=

==Beretta 92FS==
One of O'Brien's officers has a holstered Beretta 92FS.
[[File:DoT_Beretta_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is one of the handguns used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Den 149.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]

==FN FNX Tactical 45==
LA Sheriff's Department Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]) carries an [[FN FNX Tactical 45]] with a C-MORE STS red dot sight. This is his tactical weapon which he switched to for the final shoot out.
[[File:FNX45T.jpg|thumb|none|300px|FNX-45 Tactical - .45 ACP]]
[[File:DenFN45.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image of "Big Nick" with his pistol.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK45C==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] also appears to be used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:HK45C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK45C - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Den of Thieves P30.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image of the [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] being used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]) to threaten Donnie ([[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]).]]
[[File:Den 127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] also appears to be used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]

==Walther PPQ Tactical==
Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]) also carries the tactical model of the [[Walther PPQ]].
[[Image:WaltherPPQ Tact.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPQ Tactical - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Den 143.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The pistol is held in the air.]]

==Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0==
O'Brien's [[Smith & Wesson M&P|Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0]] sitting on the counter. This is his standard Duty weapon which can be seen in appendix carry several time during the film.
[[File:S&W M&P 2.0.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:DoT_MP_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Notice the grip and the loss of the tactical barrel and front slide serrations.]]

==M1911A1-Pattern Pistol==
"Tony Z" has an M1911A1-pattern pistol in his holster at the end shootout.
[[File:DoT_M1911_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

=Rifles/Carbines=
== FN SCAR-L ==
The [[FN SCAR-L]] is used by Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]).
[[Image:Scar l std.jpg|thumb|450px|none|FN SCAR-L STD - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Den 125.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[FN SCAR-L]] is used by Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]).]]
[[File:Den 117.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien retrieves his SCAR-L from the Regulators armory.]]
[[File:Den 134.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien opens fire on Merrimen and his crew with the SCAR-L.]]
[[File:DenOfThieves_SCARL_NoMag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien seems to have forgotten his magazine in this shot]]

==Noveske N4 Diplomat==
The [[Noveske N4 Diplomat]] is primarily used by Bo 'Bosco' Ostroman ([[Evan Jones]]), a member of Merrimen's crew.
[[File:Current_Noveske_diplomat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Noveske N4 Diplomat - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:DoT_N4_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The N4 can be distinguished as such by the flash suppressor and forward assist.]]
[[File:Den 104.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Noveske N4 Diplomat]] is used by Bo 'Bosco' Ostroman ([[Evan Jones]]), one of Merrimen's crew.]]
[[File:Den 111.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bosco uses his N4 to destroy a bank security camera.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK416|Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS]] is used by Merrimen.
[[File:HK416DModo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|HK416 D10RS with M68 Aimpoint and Troy VFG – 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:DoT_416_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen uses an HK416 in the opening heist.]]
[[File:Den 112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen trains his HK416 on the branch manager during the bank heist.]]
[[File:DoT_416_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==CAA Tactical RONI-SI1==
What appears to be a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] mounted in a [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is seen in the hands of Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]).
[[File:CAA RONI-SI1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1 with a SIG-Sauer P226 mounted underneath with foregrip extended out.]]
[[File:Den 106.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is used during the opening heist.]]
[[File:Den 123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is seen in the hands of Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]).]]

==M4A1 Carbine==
The [[M4A1 Carbine]] is wielded multiple times in the movie.
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[File:Den 101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen hands off an M4A1 to Donnie ([[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]).]]
[[File:Den 124.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M4A1 is used by Det.'Tony Z' Zapata ([[Kaiwi Lyman]]) .]]
[[File:DoT_M4Switch.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At one point in the end shootout, Merrimen's 416 turns into a similarly-outfitted M4A1.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
One of O'Brien's officers uses a Remington 870 in the end shootout.
[[File:DoT_Remington_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Saiga 12==
One of Merrimen's crew uses a Saiga 12 in the opening heist. It's outfitted with a "chainsaw" style grip and a 20-round drum.
[[File:DoT_Saiga_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
== M249 SAW Paratrooper ==
An [[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:Fn mg m249para11-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M249 SAW Paratrooper - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:Den 128.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]
[[File:Den 153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen fires the M249.]]

[[Category: Movie]]
[[Category: Drama]]
[[Category: Detective]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Den of Thieves

2018-05-10T17:32:35Z

Serpico1911: /* FN FNX Tactical 45 */

{{incomplete}}

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name=''Den of Thieves''
|picture=DOT.jpg
|caption=''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director=Christian Gudegast
|date= 2018
|studio=
|distributor=STXfilms
|character1=Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien
|actor1=[[Gerard Butler]]
|character2=Ray Merrimen
|actor2=[[Pablo Schreiber]]
|character3=Levi Enson
|actor3=[[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]
|character4=Donnie Wilson
|actor4=[[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]
}}

{{Film Title}}

__TOC__ 

{{Spoilers}}

=Handguns=

==Beretta 92FS==
One of O'Brien's officers has a holstered Beretta 92FS.
[[File:DoT_Beretta_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is one of the handguns used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Den 149.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]

==FN FNX Tactical 45==
LA Sheriff's Department Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]) carries an [[FN FNX Tactical 45]] with a C-MORE STS red dot sight. This is his tactical weapon which he switched to for the final shoot out.
[[File:FNX45T.jpg|thumb|none|300px|FNX-45 Tactical - .45 ACP]]
[[File:DenFN45.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image of "Big Nick" with his pistol.]]
[[File:Den 148.jpg|thumb|none|603px|Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]) fires the pistol while on a shooting range.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK45C==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] also appears to be used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:HK45C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK45C - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Den of Thieves P30.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image of the [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] being used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]) to threaten Donnie ([[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]).]]
[[File:Den 127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] also appears to be used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]

==Walther PPQ Tactical==
Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]) also carries the tactical model of the [[Walther PPQ]].
[[Image:WaltherPPQ Tact.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPQ Tactical - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Den 143.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The pistol is held in the air.]]

==Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0==
O'Brien's [[Smith & Wesson M&P|Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0]] sitting on the counter. This is his standard Duty weapon which can be seen in appendix carry several time during the film.
[[File:S&W M&P 2.0.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:DoT_MP_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Notice the grip and the loss of the tactical barrel and front slide serrations.]]

==M1911A1-Pattern Pistol==
"Tony Z" has an M1911A1-pattern pistol in his holster at the end shootout.
[[File:DoT_M1911_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

=Rifles/Carbines=
== FN SCAR-L ==
The [[FN SCAR-L]] is used by Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]).
[[Image:Scar l std.jpg|thumb|450px|none|FN SCAR-L STD - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Den 125.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[FN SCAR-L]] is used by Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]).]]
[[File:Den 117.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien retrieves his SCAR-L from the Regulators armory.]]
[[File:Den 134.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien opens fire on Merrimen and his crew with the SCAR-L.]]
[[File:DenOfThieves_SCARL_NoMag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien seems to have forgotten his magazine in this shot]]

==Noveske N4 Diplomat==
The [[Noveske N4 Diplomat]] is primarily used by Bo 'Bosco' Ostroman ([[Evan Jones]]), a member of Merrimen's crew.
[[File:Current_Noveske_diplomat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Noveske N4 Diplomat - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:DoT_N4_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The N4 can be distinguished as such by the flash suppressor and forward assist.]]
[[File:Den 104.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Noveske N4 Diplomat]] is used by Bo 'Bosco' Ostroman ([[Evan Jones]]), one of Merrimen's crew.]]
[[File:Den 111.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bosco uses his N4 to destroy a bank security camera.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK416|Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS]] is used by Merrimen.
[[File:HK416DModo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|HK416 D10RS with M68 Aimpoint and Troy VFG – 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:DoT_416_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen uses an HK416 in the opening heist.]]
[[File:Den 112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen trains his HK416 on the branch manager during the bank heist.]]
[[File:DoT_416_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==CAA Tactical RONI-SI1==
What appears to be a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] mounted in a [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is seen in the hands of Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]).
[[File:CAA RONI-SI1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1 with a SIG-Sauer P226 mounted underneath with foregrip extended out.]]
[[File:Den 106.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is used during the opening heist.]]
[[File:Den 123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is seen in the hands of Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]).]]

==M4A1 Carbine==
The [[M4A1 Carbine]] is wielded multiple times in the movie.
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[File:Den 101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen hands off an M4A1 to Donnie ([[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]).]]
[[File:Den 124.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M4A1 is used by Det.'Tony Z' Zapata ([[Kaiwi Lyman]]) .]]
[[File:DoT_M4Switch.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At one point in the end shootout, Merrimen's 416 turns into a similarly-outfitted M4A1.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
One of O'Brien's officers uses a Remington 870 in the end shootout.
[[File:DoT_Remington_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Saiga 12==
One of Merrimen's crew uses a Saiga 12 in the opening heist. It's outfitted with a "chainsaw" style grip and a 20-round drum.
[[File:DoT_Saiga_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
== M249 SAW Paratrooper ==
An [[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:Fn mg m249para11-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M249 SAW Paratrooper - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:Den 128.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]
[[File:Den 153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen fires the M249.]]

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[[Category: Detective]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Den of Thieves

2018-05-10T17:31:27Z

Serpico1911: /* Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 */

{{incomplete}}

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name=''Den of Thieves''
|picture=DOT.jpg
|caption=''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director=Christian Gudegast
|date= 2018
|studio=
|distributor=STXfilms
|character1=Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien
|actor1=[[Gerard Butler]]
|character2=Ray Merrimen
|actor2=[[Pablo Schreiber]]
|character3=Levi Enson
|actor3=[[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]
|character4=Donnie Wilson
|actor4=[[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]
}}

{{Film Title}}

__TOC__ 

{{Spoilers}}

=Handguns=

==Beretta 92FS==
One of O'Brien's officers has a holstered Beretta 92FS.
[[File:DoT_Beretta_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is one of the handguns used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Den 149.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]

==FN FNX Tactical 45==
LA Sheriff's Department Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]) carries an [[FN FNX Tactical 45]] with a C-MORE STS red dot sight.
[[File:FNX45T.jpg|thumb|none|300px|FNX-45 Tactical - .45 ACP]]
[[File:DenFN45.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image of "Big Nick" with his pistol.]]
[[File:Den 148.jpg|thumb|none|603px|Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]) fires the pistol while on a shooting range.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK45C==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] also appears to be used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:HK45C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch HK45C - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Den of Thieves P30.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image of the [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] being used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]) to threaten Donnie ([[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]).]]
[[File:Den 127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Heckler & Koch HK45C]] also appears to be used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]

==Walther PPQ Tactical==
Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]) also carries the tactical model of the [[Walther PPQ]].
[[Image:WaltherPPQ Tact.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPQ Tactical - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Den 143.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The pistol is held in the air.]]

==Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0==
O'Brien's [[Smith & Wesson M&P|Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0]] sitting on the counter. This is his standard Duty weapon which can be seen in appendix carry several time during the film.
[[File:S&W M&P 2.0.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:DoT_MP_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Notice the grip and the loss of the tactical barrel and front slide serrations.]]

==M1911A1-Pattern Pistol==
"Tony Z" has an M1911A1-pattern pistol in his holster at the end shootout.
[[File:DoT_M1911_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

=Rifles/Carbines=
== FN SCAR-L ==
The [[FN SCAR-L]] is used by Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]).
[[Image:Scar l std.jpg|thumb|450px|none|FN SCAR-L STD - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Den 125.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[FN SCAR-L]] is used by Det. "Big Nick" O'Brien ([[Gerard Butler]]).]]
[[File:Den 117.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien retrieves his SCAR-L from the Regulators armory.]]
[[File:Den 134.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien opens fire on Merrimen and his crew with the SCAR-L.]]
[[File:DenOfThieves_SCARL_NoMag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brien seems to have forgotten his magazine in this shot]]

==Noveske N4 Diplomat==
The [[Noveske N4 Diplomat]] is primarily used by Bo 'Bosco' Ostroman ([[Evan Jones]]), a member of Merrimen's crew.
[[File:Current_Noveske_diplomat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Noveske N4 Diplomat - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:DoT_N4_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The N4 can be distinguished as such by the flash suppressor and forward assist.]]
[[File:Den 104.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Noveske N4 Diplomat]] is used by Bo 'Bosco' Ostroman ([[Evan Jones]]), one of Merrimen's crew.]]
[[File:Den 111.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bosco uses his N4 to destroy a bank security camera.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK416|Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS]] is used by Merrimen.
[[File:HK416DModo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|HK416 D10RS with M68 Aimpoint and Troy VFG – 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:DoT_416_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen uses an HK416 in the opening heist.]]
[[File:Den 112.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen trains his HK416 on the branch manager during the bank heist.]]
[[File:DoT_416_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==CAA Tactical RONI-SI1==
What appears to be a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] mounted in a [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is seen in the hands of Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]).
[[File:CAA RONI-SI1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1 with a SIG-Sauer P226 mounted underneath with foregrip extended out.]]
[[File:Den 106.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is used during the opening heist.]]
[[File:Den 123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[CAA Tactical RONI|CAA Tactical RONI-SI1]] is seen in the hands of Levi Enson ([[Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson]]).]]

==M4A1 Carbine==
The [[M4A1 Carbine]] is wielded multiple times in the movie.
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[File:Den 101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen hands off an M4A1 to Donnie ([[O'Shea Jackson Jr.]]).]]
[[File:Den 124.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M4A1 is used by Det.'Tony Z' Zapata ([[Kaiwi Lyman]]) .]]
[[File:DoT_M4Switch.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At one point in the end shootout, Merrimen's 416 turns into a similarly-outfitted M4A1.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
One of O'Brien's officers uses a Remington 870 in the end shootout.
[[File:DoT_Remington_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Saiga 12==
One of Merrimen's crew uses a Saiga 12 in the opening heist. It's outfitted with a "chainsaw" style grip and a 20-round drum.
[[File:DoT_Saiga_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
== M249 SAW Paratrooper ==
An [[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).
[[Image:Fn mg m249para11-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M249 SAW Paratrooper - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:Den 128.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M249 SAW]] Paratrooper is used by Merrimen ([[Pablo Schreiber]]).]]
[[File:Den 153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrimen fires the M249.]]

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[[Category:Crime]]

Talk:Sicario

2017-03-25T10:28:12Z

Serpico1911: /* del Toro's Camera Angle (Sicario vs. The Way of the Gun) */

==Del Toro's USP==
I think that Del Toro's USP is actually a Mk23. I saw the film and the pistol has a screw hole thru the trigger guard like a Mk.23.--[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 17:03, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

==M933s==
Pretty sure the Mexican police have Mk.18s, the barrel looks too short for the Model 933. And one of the Delta guys has a Mk.18 as well.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:14, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

==Glock 22==
Are we sure it's a Glock 22 and not the much more likely Glock 17? I imagine that somebody called it a 22 because the FBI uses that IRL, but the 17 is vastly more likely to show up in a movie.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:16, 11 October 2015 (EDT)
:It looked more like a 9mm bore to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 16:25, 12 October 2015 (EDT)

== Del Toro's Mark 23 ==

It's definately a Mark 23, I've added another screenshot that very clearly shows it to be a Mark 23. --[[User:Armourpiercing]] ([[User talk:Armourpiercing|talk]])

== 5 7 ==

Which model is it? It doesn't appear to have any rail but neither does it have that strangely shaped trigger guard of the original model.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:38, 31 December 2015 (EST)

==del Toro's Camera Angle (Sicario vs. The Way of the Gun)==
I noticed something interesting while watching this film in the theater. At the end of the film there's a lower medium shot of Benicio del Toro aiming his HK Mark 23. It caught my eye because it has an uncanny similarity to another shot of del Toro aiming his 9mm Colt Government Model in The Way of the Gun. The resemblance is undeniable, down to his hold on the pistol and even his facial expression. Thought you all might find this interesting. --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 15:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)
[[File:Thewayofthegun-beniciodeltoro-angle-01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|([[Benicio del Toro]]) aims his Colt Series 70 Government Model as Mr. Longbaugh in ''[[The Way of the Gun]]'' (2000).]]
[[File:Sicario-mk23-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Fifteen years later, del Toro fires a suppressed Mark 23 as Alejandro in a similar stance.]]
:He sure has aged since then.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:31, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::Aged very well. Like a badass [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:40, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::The older he gets the more badass he looks, like Sean Connery (he's a ''bit'' older though)--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:15, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::James Badge Dale does something similar. He repeats a one-handed pose with a pistol. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 01:06, 9 January 2016 (EST)
:The director and cinematographer aren't the same, so that's not the reason. But isn't this a common shooting stance and camera angle seen in movies? It's not hard to find moments in other movies showing other actors (such as [[Bruce Willis]]) assuming this stance while holding a handgun. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:45, 15 January 2016 (EST)
I would say he is probably left eye dominant so it would make sense to turn his head. --[[User:Serpico1911|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911\talk]]) 05:27, 25 March 2017 (CST)

==Another M4?==

Watching this in 1080p during the bridge scene you can see what looks like an M4 with standard handguards being held by the driver's side passenger of the green Civic as Donovon approaches the car and the camera angle changes to the driver's side. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 05:17, 14 January 2016 (EST)

== Airsoft?==
How could you tell it was an Airsoft rifle? It could just be a Colt 933 or similar with a Magpul handguard. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:52, 15 January 2016 (EST)
::For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)
:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)
::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)
:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)
::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)
:::MOE handguards have been used before, for example on LE carbines in ''[[The Walking Dead]]'', ''[[Covert Affairs]]'', ''[[Nikita]]'' and ''[[Burn Notice]]'', and on an M4 in ''[[No Tears for the Dead]]''. This is just for a quick search of documented ones, I assume that they have turned up more that people haven't properly recorded. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:53, 18 January 2016 (EST)

Talk:Iron Fist

2017-03-20T05:45:48Z

Serpico1911: /* 1911? */ new section

== 1911? ==

I am fairly certain that the Kimber he has is a Pro CDP not a Crimson Carry,

John Wick: Chapter 2

2017-03-17T11:30:24Z

Serpico1911: /* Glock 34 - TTI John Wick Combat Master Package */

{{NowShowing}}

{{Infobox Movie
|name=John Wick: Chapter 2
|picture=JohnWick2 cover.jpg
|caption=Poster
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] USA
|director=Chad Stahelski
|date=2017
|studio=87Eleven Thunder Road Pictures
|distributor=Summit Entertainment
|character1=John Wick
|actor1=[[Keanu Reeves]]
|character2=Cassian
|actor2=[[Common]]
|character3=Helen Wick
|actor3=[[Bridget Moynahan]]
|character4=Winston
|actor4=[[Ian McShane]]
|character5=Aurelio
|actor5=[[John Leguizamo]]
|character6=Charon
|actor6=[[Lance Reddick]]
}}

'''''John Wick: Chapter 2''''' is the 2017 sequel to 2014's ''[[John Wick]]''. [[Keanu Reeves]] returns as the title character and Chad Stahelski returns as director. The sequel finds Wick coming out of retirement when rivals attempt to take over a criminal syndicate.

{{Film Title}}
__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
== Glock 34 - TTI John Wick Combat Master Package==
John Wick ([[Keanu Reeves]]) uses a [[Glock 34]] customized with the Taran Tactical Innovations John Wick Combat Master Package. He acquired this gun as well as his backup [[Glock 26]], AR-15, and [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns|Benelli M4]] from The Sommelier ([[Peter Serafinowicz]]) in Rome.
[[Image:Glock34.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Glock 34 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:JW2G26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The actual G34 displayed at SHOT Show 2017.]]
[[File:JW2 319.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Glock 26==
A [[Glock 26]] compact pistol, John Wick's original backup sidearm, is seen in the case of weapons that Wick reburies in the floor (oddly, however, the Glock 26 he buries has a magazine with an extended baseplate - he did not use this in the first film.) He retrieves another one from a deposit box but never uses it. He gets a new one from The Sommelier - like his Glock 34, it is also customized by TTI. He uses the G26 during his first fight with Cassian after being disarmed of his G34, then loses it when he returns to New York.
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
[[Image:JW2G26A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The actual G26 displayed at SHOT Show 2017.]]
[[Image:JW2 300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:JW2 G26B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Glock 17==
John also uses multiple [[Glock 17]]s during the final battle when his Kimber 1911 ran empty.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:John Wick2 pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John loads the gun after checking the magazine.]]

==Heckler & Koch P30L==
John Wick's original sidearm, a compensator-fitted [[Heckler & Koch P30L]], is briefly seen at the beginning of the movie, where he reburies it alongside his equipment and the other guns he used in the first film.
[[Image:HK P30L.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P30L - 9x19mm]]

==Kimber Warrior==
Wick receives a [[Kimber Warrior]] from The Bowery King ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) with only 1 magazine with exactly 7 rounds for the final battle.
[[Image:KimberWarriorII.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:JW2Kimber1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Bowery King presents John a "Kimber 1911"]]
[[Image:JW21911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Wick loads his Kimber.]]
[[Image:JW2_317.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wick employs the C.A.R. stance, Kimber in his hands.]]

==Smith & Wesson SW1911SC "E-Series"==
John Wick ([[Keanu Reeves]]) picks up a suppressed [[M1911A1|Smith & Wesson SW1911SC "E-Series"]] before his fights in the subway. Ares ([[Ruby Rose]]) uses the suppressed SW1911 in the final fight.
[[File:SW1911SC_E_Series.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson SW1911SC "E-Series" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:JW2_310.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bloodied-face Wick drawing his suppressed SW1911 that he picked up earlier. Note the slide serrations.]]

==1911==

During their first fight, Cassian ([[Common]]) uses what appears to be a bi-tone 1911 before being disarmed. He used a compensated 1911 in the final scene at the Continental, which can be a continuity error as that scene was directly after his fight with Ares.

Several henchmen also uses 1911s including one that allowed John to reload his Kimber before his final confrontation with D’Antonio

[[Image:JW2CommonvsWick.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scenes shot.]]

==Arsenal Strike One==

A suppressed two-tone [[Arsenal Strike One]] is used by Cassian ([[Common]])

[[File:ArsenalS1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Arsenal Strike One - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:JW2Common.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Beretta 80 Series Pistols - "Cheetah"==

An assassin attacked John with a suppressed [[Beretta 85FS]] or what resembles on. D’Antonio uses one at the end of the movie.

[[Image:Beretta-85FS.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|)]]

=Rifles/Carbines=
== TTI TR-1 AR-15 ==
Wick appears to use a "Taran Tactical Innovations Rifle model TR", a BCM KMR handguard, BCM vertical grip and a 1-6x24 Trijicon Accupoint scope with an RMR on a canted rail. A guard following Ares ([[Ruby Rose]]) is also seen with one in a similar configuration.
[[File:Taran-Tactical-TR-U1-Ultralight.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TTI Rifle model TR1 Ultralight with Scope.]]
[[Image:JW2AR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:John Wick2 AR 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Wick ([[Keanu Reeves]]) checks his "AR-15".]]
[[Image:John Wick2 AR 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:JW2_315.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard on the right is seen with the rifle.]]
[[Image:John Wick2 AR 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==SIG SG 550==
Guards following Ares (Ruby Rose) appear to be armed with the [[SIG SG 550]] rifle.
[[Image:SIG550.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG SG 550 assault rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:JW2_303.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==SIG SG 552==
A [[SIG SG 552]] is used by a guard. Oddly, in a previous scene, these rifles had rear sights, but in the mirrors scene, they are missing the rear sights.
[[File:SIG SG 553-2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SIG SG 552-2, version with permanent scope rail - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:JW2_315.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:JW2_318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==M4A1==

[[M4A1]]s are seen in the hands of Ares' men.

[[File:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

[[Image:JW2_M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Shotgun=

==Benelli M4 Super 90==

John uses a [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns|Benelli M4 Super 90]] during the fight in the catacombs. It is fitted with a fixed stock and customized by TTI.

[[Image:M4_Tactical.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Benelli M4 Tactical - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:JW2_BM4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Other=
== Arwen 37 ==

An [[Arwen 37]] is used by Santino D’Antonio ([[Riccardo Scamarcio]]) to destroy John Wick's house.

[[Image:Arwen 37.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Arwen gas grenade launcher - 37mm]]

[[File:JW2 304.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==The Sommelier's Armory==

The Sommelier's ([[Peter Serafinowicz]]) arsenal.

[[Image:JW2Weapons.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2Armory1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2Armory2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== The Bowery King's Armory ==

[[Image:JW2BoweryKing.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Poster Weapons==
[[Image:JohnWick2 cover.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The film's first official poster features several firearms: a sawed-off [[Remington 870]], a [[Heckler & Koch P30L]] (fitted with the same compensator from the [[John Wick|first film]]), a [[Beretta 92FS]], two [[Beretta 92FS Inox]]es, two [[Beretta 90Two]]s, and several customized [[Colt M1911]] variants (one of which is obviously a replica with a visible parting line).]]

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John Wick: Chapter 2

2017-03-17T11:29:30Z

Serpico1911: /* Glock 34 - TTI Glock Combat Master Performance Package */

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{{Infobox Movie
|name=John Wick: Chapter 2
|picture=JohnWick2 cover.jpg
|caption=Poster
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] USA
|director=Chad Stahelski
|date=2017
|studio=87Eleven Thunder Road Pictures
|distributor=Summit Entertainment
|character1=John Wick
|actor1=[[Keanu Reeves]]
|character2=Cassian
|actor2=[[Common]]
|character3=Helen Wick
|actor3=[[Bridget Moynahan]]
|character4=Winston
|actor4=[[Ian McShane]]
|character5=Aurelio
|actor5=[[John Leguizamo]]
|character6=Charon
|actor6=[[Lance Reddick]]
}}

'''''John Wick: Chapter 2''''' is the 2017 sequel to 2014's ''[[John Wick]]''. [[Keanu Reeves]] returns as the title character and Chad Stahelski returns as director. The sequel finds Wick coming out of retirement when rivals attempt to take over a criminal syndicate.

{{Film Title}}
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=Handguns=
== Glock 34 - TTI John Wick Combat Master Package==
John Wick ([[Keanu Reeves]]) uses a [[Glock 34]] customized with what appears to be the Taran Tactical Innovations Glock Combat Master Performance Package. He acquired this gun as well as his backup [[Glock 26]], AR-15, and [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns|Benelli M4]] from The Sommelier ([[Peter Serafinowicz]]) in Rome.
[[Image:Glock34.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Glock 34 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:JW2G26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The actual G34 displayed at SHOT Show 2017.]]
[[File:JW2 319.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Glock 26==
A [[Glock 26]] compact pistol, John Wick's original backup sidearm, is seen in the case of weapons that Wick reburies in the floor (oddly, however, the Glock 26 he buries has a magazine with an extended baseplate - he did not use this in the first film.) He retrieves another one from a deposit box but never uses it. He gets a new one from The Sommelier - like his Glock 34, it is also customized by TTI. He uses the G26 during his first fight with Cassian after being disarmed of his G34, then loses it when he returns to New York.
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
[[Image:JW2G26A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The actual G26 displayed at SHOT Show 2017.]]
[[Image:JW2 300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:JW2 G26B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Glock 17==
John also uses multiple [[Glock 17]]s during the final battle when his Kimber 1911 ran empty.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:John Wick2 pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John loads the gun after checking the magazine.]]

==Heckler & Koch P30L==
John Wick's original sidearm, a compensator-fitted [[Heckler & Koch P30L]], is briefly seen at the beginning of the movie, where he reburies it alongside his equipment and the other guns he used in the first film.
[[Image:HK P30L.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P30L - 9x19mm]]

==Kimber Warrior==
Wick receives a [[Kimber Warrior]] from The Bowery King ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) with only 1 magazine with exactly 7 rounds for the final battle.
[[Image:KimberWarriorII.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:JW2Kimber1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Bowery King presents John a "Kimber 1911"]]
[[Image:JW21911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Wick loads his Kimber.]]
[[Image:JW2_317.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wick employs the C.A.R. stance, Kimber in his hands.]]

==Smith & Wesson SW1911SC "E-Series"==
John Wick ([[Keanu Reeves]]) picks up a suppressed [[M1911A1|Smith & Wesson SW1911SC "E-Series"]] before his fights in the subway. Ares ([[Ruby Rose]]) uses the suppressed SW1911 in the final fight.
[[File:SW1911SC_E_Series.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson SW1911SC "E-Series" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:JW2_310.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bloodied-face Wick drawing his suppressed SW1911 that he picked up earlier. Note the slide serrations.]]

==1911==

During their first fight, Cassian ([[Common]]) uses what appears to be a bi-tone 1911 before being disarmed. He used a compensated 1911 in the final scene at the Continental, which can be a continuity error as that scene was directly after his fight with Ares.

Several henchmen also uses 1911s including one that allowed John to reload his Kimber before his final confrontation with D’Antonio

[[Image:JW2CommonvsWick.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scenes shot.]]

==Arsenal Strike One==

A suppressed two-tone [[Arsenal Strike One]] is used by Cassian ([[Common]])

[[File:ArsenalS1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Arsenal Strike One - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:JW2Common.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Beretta 80 Series Pistols - "Cheetah"==

An assassin attacked John with a suppressed [[Beretta 85FS]] or what resembles on. D’Antonio uses one at the end of the movie.

[[Image:Beretta-85FS.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|)]]

=Rifles/Carbines=
== TTI TR-1 AR-15 ==
Wick appears to use a "Taran Tactical Innovations Rifle model TR", a BCM KMR handguard, BCM vertical grip and a 1-6x24 Trijicon Accupoint scope with an RMR on a canted rail. A guard following Ares ([[Ruby Rose]]) is also seen with one in a similar configuration.
[[File:Taran-Tactical-TR-U1-Ultralight.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TTI Rifle model TR1 Ultralight with Scope.]]
[[Image:JW2AR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:John Wick2 AR 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Wick ([[Keanu Reeves]]) checks his "AR-15".]]
[[Image:John Wick2 AR 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:JW2_315.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard on the right is seen with the rifle.]]
[[Image:John Wick2 AR 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==SIG SG 550==
Guards following Ares (Ruby Rose) appear to be armed with the [[SIG SG 550]] rifle.
[[Image:SIG550.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG SG 550 assault rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:JW2_303.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==SIG SG 552==
A [[SIG SG 552]] is used by a guard. Oddly, in a previous scene, these rifles had rear sights, but in the mirrors scene, they are missing the rear sights.
[[File:SIG SG 553-2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SIG SG 552-2, version with permanent scope rail - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:JW2_315.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:JW2_318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==M4A1==

[[M4A1]]s are seen in the hands of Ares' men.

[[File:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

[[Image:JW2_M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Shotgun=

==Benelli M4 Super 90==

John uses a [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns|Benelli M4 Super 90]] during the fight in the catacombs. It is fitted with a fixed stock and customized by TTI.

[[Image:M4_Tactical.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Benelli M4 Tactical - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:JW2_BM4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Other=
== Arwen 37 ==

An [[Arwen 37]] is used by Santino D’Antonio ([[Riccardo Scamarcio]]) to destroy John Wick's house.

[[Image:Arwen 37.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Arwen gas grenade launcher - 37mm]]

[[File:JW2 304.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==The Sommelier's Armory==

The Sommelier's ([[Peter Serafinowicz]]) arsenal.

[[Image:JW2Weapons.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2Armory1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2Armory2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== The Bowery King's Armory ==

[[Image:JW2BoweryKing.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Poster Weapons==
[[Image:JohnWick2 cover.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The film's first official poster features several firearms: a sawed-off [[Remington 870]], a [[Heckler & Koch P30L]] (fitted with the same compensator from the [[John Wick|first film]]), a [[Beretta 92FS]], two [[Beretta 92FS Inox]]es, two [[Beretta 90Two]]s, and several customized [[Colt M1911]] variants (one of which is obviously a replica with a visible parting line).]]

{{Film Action}}

Talk:The Way of the Gun

2017-03-17T11:27:28Z

Serpico1911: /* Parker and Longbaugh's handguns */

==This movie's title==
It is "The Way of the Gun". For one, IMFDB matches the official title as seen on IMDB. Another, the "The" in the graphic logo is seen at the TOP of the "W". For future reference and to keep anyone from changing the page title..

==M1911==

The page says they use combat government model 1911s but they don't seem to have any of the features of the combat model and on the bluray you can see the rollmark on the slide and it only says colt government model.
:I picked this up on Blu-ray. Can't cap Blu-ray though. When Parker holds his 1911 on Longbaugh outside motel you can see the MK IV Series 70 9mm Luger rollmarks on the slide. I have only seen "Combat Governments" in non Series 70 rollmarks or in MK IV Series 80. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Series70-2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Non series 70 rollmark Combat Government. These came out in the early 80s, very few in these rollmarks.]]
[[Image:SERIES80-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Series 80 Combat Government]]
[[Image:SERIES80-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Series 80 Combat Government, most you'll see will be in this style. Non combat ones would just say Government Model.]]

==Galil==

When I watched this, I thought Benicio's character fired his Galil on full-auto in the brothel sequence. He empties like, two full mags into the walls alone. Or was he just fast firing on semi-auto?

It's either he's firing it on SA or the gun has a ridiculously slow ROF. Edit: just watched the scene: Benecio in fact pulls the trigger for each and every shot. But, the effects seem to almost double the amount of shots made. Same goes for Ryan's 870. He lets off three rounds in the same room that Benecio empties two mags as fast as any auto-loader would with his pump.
::He's firing FAST on semi auto. It's not that hard. I can fire as fast or faster with a semi auto rifle. Also remember that blank adapted autoloaders don't usually slam all the way back into the receiver. It was described as 'almost short stroking it but just enough to kick out the round and put in the next one'. Also blanks have nearly ZERO kick (a little from the gas but that's almost nil) and you can fire REALLY FAST with a blank firing semi auto rifle. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I would have loved to have saw more of the Galil in the final shootout. Should have brought more than two mags or at least spare ammo. But I guess they wanted to even the fight up. Even though Parker and Longbaugh were greatly outnumbered. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Just watched the movie, and the bolt is definitely moving in a semi-auto fashion on the Galil when he fires it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

==Revolvers==
In the scene in which one of Joe Sarno's veteran enforcers contemplates suicide he is shown playing Russian roulette with half a dozen different revolvers. I think one of the weapons was a Charter Arms model and one may have been a [[Ruger SP101]] however if someone could provide a more precise identification it would be appreciated. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

I'm pretty sure the two revolvers used by the Mexican police officers are S&W Model 10s.

==Holsters==
Does anyone have an idea what holsters The two protagonists use? I actually really like them and was hoping to get a lead on where to get ones like that.

The holsters they use are milt sparks summer special. Website www.miltsparks.com. They are really well built and comfortable.
[[Image:TWOTG-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Good veiw of the IWB holster used by Longbaugh, Parker also uses one.]]
Yeah they are Milt Sparks or copies made Galco or another mass produced holster maker. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

No they are Galco Royal Guard RG212 and not Milt Sparks Summer Specials.

Thanks, folks. I'm gonna give one of these a try for CCW.

==Mr. Parker and Longbough==
Does anyone think that the two main characters portrayed in the movie seem to be too discplined for being normal criminals? Are there criminals in real life who actually have extensive firearms training? Cause most gangsters and criminals that I've come across have shitty trigger discipline and use the stereotypical "gangster" sideways hold with their weapons. And yes I know this is just a movie but I'm just curious. -- [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:They could just be former soldiers or guys that had the training, but down on their luck. I mean, former cops, lost their jobs or something. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:26, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I would totally agree...ex-military just by their weapon choices and how they cleared the rooms. Plus, Philippe always has that look of a mercenary rather then the portrayed criminal.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 03:33, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

That would make sense if they were both ex-military. And probably that would be the main reason why they teamed up in the first place, both having proper training in weapons and tactics which is a protent mix for a criminal to have. But then come to think of it criminals today are getting military training as well just by enlisting, going through basic training, and serving in tours in Iraq and now Afghanistan. Can you imagine the fear of a Latin King member who had extensive training as a Navy SEAL? (http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2506292,CST-NWS-graffiti18.article) -- [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

== Mr. Parkers shotgun sling ==

Does anyone have any idea what sling Mr. Parker had on his shotgun? I've never seen a setup like that.
:Its a three point. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

What sling dause longbaugh have on his galil cause when he runs dry he drops that realy quickly

==One-handed brass check==

''Longbaugh does a brass check on his Colt. Not easy to do one handed and even harder weak hand.''

I don't think it's difficult to do a one-handed brass check. I just did one on my SIG (with my weak hand), and it was pretty easy. Of course, a SIG is not a 1911, but I don't see why it would be more difficult on a 1911. Anyway, I did have to cock back the hammer before I did it; if the hammer is left up, then it's much harder. But it looks to me like Benicio Del Toro does the brass check when his hammer is back. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

:I can do it with either hand pretty easy if the hammer is cocked. But if the hammer is up, left hand is hard. But if you want to take the comment off go ahead.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

::I just tried it on my SIG with the hammer up, can't do it weak hand, with a 1911 it's easier since it has a half-cock it can go to unlike the SIG.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:36, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Just changed the comment. Thanks for that info; I figured a 1911 would be easier to brass check than on a SIG on DA. But I guess almost any pistol is easier to brass-check with the hammer back; I find my SIG hard to brass check even with TWO hands if I leave the hammer up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:42, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

On a pistol converted to fire blanks it's insanely easy to do. -J3
:Same with my Beretta. DA is really tough, but with the hammer down its a lot easier. -[[The_Winchester|Winchester]]

==Colt Commander==
Wfat the hell happened to that gun, did Parker lost it or what, it would have been of great help in the shootout. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 20:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

which shoot out?[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

I believe he is referring to the first one, at the Doctor's office. David.
:in fact I meant both, both the beginning and the end.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 03:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

well i think that he brought the shotgun with him , so why let it go to waste. also in the brothel shootout,which is one of the best shootouts in history, he uses it because he clears out rooms and is in close proxcimity to anyone who he is shooting at so having the shotgun seems logical-[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==If no one Objects==
I intend to orginize this page.-[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
:What do you mean organize? If by firearm type, I say no, because there aren't that many guns used. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Why not? Even though there isn't enough firearm types, it would seem neat [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

: I would support sorting the gun entries by ascending order: Handguns, Shotguns, Rifles, etc. But we don't need to split them into specific sections. That's only for pages that have TONS of entries in each section. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I feal that sorting weaopns by firearm type should be promoted. it does make pages look more neat, it also helps find things faster. i do understand that this page isnt that large, but it should still be orginized. i also intend to orginize, the same way i do this one, [[Terminator Salvation]] and [[The Dark Knight]].-[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Well both those movies have a much larger selection of guns than this movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

but a page is a page.and no mater big or small they should be neat and organized-[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

== Parker and Longbaugh's handguns ==

There are a couple odd things about this choice of firearm for the two anti-heroes. First is its very limited magazine capacity of 9 rounds. I know that the three major groups of gunfighters in this film (Parker and Longbaugh, Jeffers and Obecks, and Joe Sarno with his bagmen) are supposed to represent three generations of pistolry, but a single-stack 9mm M1911 just doesn't seem like enough of a performance boost to give up the .45 ACP round, and as shown in the final gunfight, P&L are major fans of "suppressive fire" with their handguns, and 9 rounds isn't anywhere near enough for that (an older double-stack 9mm handgun, like the [[Browning Hi-Power]] or the [[Beretta M9]] may have been more appropriate here, and both are older than the [[USP]]). Another odd thing is how Parker had to pull out the magazine of his handgun with his teeth when firing from the glass-riddled fountain--didn't he just drop it out normally back when he was shot in the leg in one of the whorehouse's rooms? If the magazine drops out that easily, why would pulling it with his teeth be necessary? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 17:14, 9 September 2012 (EDT)
:: He probably wasn't thinking very clearly after getting that glass in his arm. Combine that with a magazine that doesn't smoothly drop out on the first press (you see Longbaugh shaking his gun a few times to get one out later in the scene), and he probably just did the first thing that came to mind. As for the weapon choice, they probably just preferred the size of a single-stack 1911 and the performance of 9x19mm. Or maybe it's just the guns that they had available at the time. Nothing special. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 05:43, 10 January 2013 (EST)
:::To me the 1911s they are using in the film are supposed to be seen as .45 ACP ones but the 9mm was a lot more reliable with blanks at the time. The every day film goer would see a 1911 and just assume that it's a .45 ACP one. Like in Terminator 2, the 1911 Arnie has is a 9mm because of the better performance with blanks, but in the shot where he takes spare ammunition from the hospital guard the magazines were loaded with .45 ACP rounds. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 06:29, 10 January 2013 (EST)
::::Indeed, the 9mm 1911s are 'playing' the role of .45 1911s. Much like actors are rarely the same age as their characters. :p --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] ([[User talk:Joffeloff|talk]]) 17:35, 10 January 2013 (EST)
I see. Still, a magazine capacity of only 7 rounds is clearly not enough to engage in the "suppressive fire" tactics P&L are seen doing--it's a waste of ammunition and leaves you open while reloading as opposed to aimed fire. Given the speculation I've read about P&L having received training in armed forces in the backstory, maybe the Beretta M9 would have been better for them after all (it would fit their need for "suppressive fire" in a pistol). There are reports of "unsavoury figures" who sign up for the US armed forces infantry branches so they can better handle themselves in a life of crime with their weapons skills, after having finished their tours of duty. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 18:42, 10 January 2013 (EST)

Just my opinion, but wouldn't it make more sense that they are using 38 super 1911's since the film is taking place in Mexico and 38 super 1911's are some of the most popular guns you find down there. -- [[User:Serpico1911|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911\talk]]) 06:26, 17 March 2017 (CST)

Talk:The Way of the Gun

2017-03-17T11:27:10Z

Serpico1911: /* Parker and Longbaugh's handguns */

==This movie's title==
It is "The Way of the Gun". For one, IMFDB matches the official title as seen on IMDB. Another, the "The" in the graphic logo is seen at the TOP of the "W". For future reference and to keep anyone from changing the page title..

==M1911==

The page says they use combat government model 1911s but they don't seem to have any of the features of the combat model and on the bluray you can see the rollmark on the slide and it only says colt government model.
:I picked this up on Blu-ray. Can't cap Blu-ray though. When Parker holds his 1911 on Longbaugh outside motel you can see the MK IV Series 70 9mm Luger rollmarks on the slide. I have only seen "Combat Governments" in non Series 70 rollmarks or in MK IV Series 80. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Series70-2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Non series 70 rollmark Combat Government. These came out in the early 80s, very few in these rollmarks.]]
[[Image:SERIES80-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Series 80 Combat Government]]
[[Image:SERIES80-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Series 80 Combat Government, most you'll see will be in this style. Non combat ones would just say Government Model.]]

==Galil==

When I watched this, I thought Benicio's character fired his Galil on full-auto in the brothel sequence. He empties like, two full mags into the walls alone. Or was he just fast firing on semi-auto?

It's either he's firing it on SA or the gun has a ridiculously slow ROF. Edit: just watched the scene: Benecio in fact pulls the trigger for each and every shot. But, the effects seem to almost double the amount of shots made. Same goes for Ryan's 870. He lets off three rounds in the same room that Benecio empties two mags as fast as any auto-loader would with his pump.
::He's firing FAST on semi auto. It's not that hard. I can fire as fast or faster with a semi auto rifle. Also remember that blank adapted autoloaders don't usually slam all the way back into the receiver. It was described as 'almost short stroking it but just enough to kick out the round and put in the next one'. Also blanks have nearly ZERO kick (a little from the gas but that's almost nil) and you can fire REALLY FAST with a blank firing semi auto rifle. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I would have loved to have saw more of the Galil in the final shootout. Should have brought more than two mags or at least spare ammo. But I guess they wanted to even the fight up. Even though Parker and Longbaugh were greatly outnumbered. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Just watched the movie, and the bolt is definitely moving in a semi-auto fashion on the Galil when he fires it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

==Revolvers==
In the scene in which one of Joe Sarno's veteran enforcers contemplates suicide he is shown playing Russian roulette with half a dozen different revolvers. I think one of the weapons was a Charter Arms model and one may have been a [[Ruger SP101]] however if someone could provide a more precise identification it would be appreciated. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

I'm pretty sure the two revolvers used by the Mexican police officers are S&W Model 10s.

==Holsters==
Does anyone have an idea what holsters The two protagonists use? I actually really like them and was hoping to get a lead on where to get ones like that.

The holsters they use are milt sparks summer special. Website www.miltsparks.com. They are really well built and comfortable.
[[Image:TWOTG-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Good veiw of the IWB holster used by Longbaugh, Parker also uses one.]]
Yeah they are Milt Sparks or copies made Galco or another mass produced holster maker. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

No they are Galco Royal Guard RG212 and not Milt Sparks Summer Specials.

Thanks, folks. I'm gonna give one of these a try for CCW.

==Mr. Parker and Longbough==
Does anyone think that the two main characters portrayed in the movie seem to be too discplined for being normal criminals? Are there criminals in real life who actually have extensive firearms training? Cause most gangsters and criminals that I've come across have shitty trigger discipline and use the stereotypical "gangster" sideways hold with their weapons. And yes I know this is just a movie but I'm just curious. -- [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:They could just be former soldiers or guys that had the training, but down on their luck. I mean, former cops, lost their jobs or something. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:26, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I would totally agree...ex-military just by their weapon choices and how they cleared the rooms. Plus, Philippe always has that look of a mercenary rather then the portrayed criminal.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 03:33, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

That would make sense if they were both ex-military. And probably that would be the main reason why they teamed up in the first place, both having proper training in weapons and tactics which is a protent mix for a criminal to have. But then come to think of it criminals today are getting military training as well just by enlisting, going through basic training, and serving in tours in Iraq and now Afghanistan. Can you imagine the fear of a Latin King member who had extensive training as a Navy SEAL? (http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2506292,CST-NWS-graffiti18.article) -- [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]

== Mr. Parkers shotgun sling ==

Does anyone have any idea what sling Mr. Parker had on his shotgun? I've never seen a setup like that.
:Its a three point. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

What sling dause longbaugh have on his galil cause when he runs dry he drops that realy quickly

==One-handed brass check==

''Longbaugh does a brass check on his Colt. Not easy to do one handed and even harder weak hand.''

I don't think it's difficult to do a one-handed brass check. I just did one on my SIG (with my weak hand), and it was pretty easy. Of course, a SIG is not a 1911, but I don't see why it would be more difficult on a 1911. Anyway, I did have to cock back the hammer before I did it; if the hammer is left up, then it's much harder. But it looks to me like Benicio Del Toro does the brass check when his hammer is back. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

:I can do it with either hand pretty easy if the hammer is cocked. But if the hammer is up, left hand is hard. But if you want to take the comment off go ahead.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

::I just tried it on my SIG with the hammer up, can't do it weak hand, with a 1911 it's easier since it has a half-cock it can go to unlike the SIG.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:36, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Just changed the comment. Thanks for that info; I figured a 1911 would be easier to brass check than on a SIG on DA. But I guess almost any pistol is easier to brass-check with the hammer back; I find my SIG hard to brass check even with TWO hands if I leave the hammer up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:42, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

On a pistol converted to fire blanks it's insanely easy to do. -J3
:Same with my Beretta. DA is really tough, but with the hammer down its a lot easier. -[[The_Winchester|Winchester]]

==Colt Commander==
Wfat the hell happened to that gun, did Parker lost it or what, it would have been of great help in the shootout. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 20:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

which shoot out?[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

I believe he is referring to the first one, at the Doctor's office. David.
:in fact I meant both, both the beginning and the end.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 03:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

well i think that he brought the shotgun with him , so why let it go to waste. also in the brothel shootout,which is one of the best shootouts in history, he uses it because he clears out rooms and is in close proxcimity to anyone who he is shooting at so having the shotgun seems logical-[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==If no one Objects==
I intend to orginize this page.-[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
:What do you mean organize? If by firearm type, I say no, because there aren't that many guns used. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Why not? Even though there isn't enough firearm types, it would seem neat [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

: I would support sorting the gun entries by ascending order: Handguns, Shotguns, Rifles, etc. But we don't need to split them into specific sections. That's only for pages that have TONS of entries in each section. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I feal that sorting weaopns by firearm type should be promoted. it does make pages look more neat, it also helps find things faster. i do understand that this page isnt that large, but it should still be orginized. i also intend to orginize, the same way i do this one, [[Terminator Salvation]] and [[The Dark Knight]].-[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Well both those movies have a much larger selection of guns than this movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

but a page is a page.and no mater big or small they should be neat and organized-[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

== Parker and Longbaugh's handguns ==

There are a couple odd things about this choice of firearm for the two anti-heroes. First is its very limited magazine capacity of 9 rounds. I know that the three major groups of gunfighters in this film (Parker and Longbaugh, Jeffers and Obecks, and Joe Sarno with his bagmen) are supposed to represent three generations of pistolry, but a single-stack 9mm M1911 just doesn't seem like enough of a performance boost to give up the .45 ACP round, and as shown in the final gunfight, P&L are major fans of "suppressive fire" with their handguns, and 9 rounds isn't anywhere near enough for that (an older double-stack 9mm handgun, like the [[Browning Hi-Power]] or the [[Beretta M9]] may have been more appropriate here, and both are older than the [[USP]]). Another odd thing is how Parker had to pull out the magazine of his handgun with his teeth when firing from the glass-riddled fountain--didn't he just drop it out normally back when he was shot in the leg in one of the whorehouse's rooms? If the magazine drops out that easily, why would pulling it with his teeth be necessary? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 17:14, 9 September 2012 (EDT)
:: He probably wasn't thinking very clearly after getting that glass in his arm. Combine that with a magazine that doesn't smoothly drop out on the first press (you see Longbaugh shaking his gun a few times to get one out later in the scene), and he probably just did the first thing that came to mind. As for the weapon choice, they probably just preferred the size of a single-stack 1911 and the performance of 9x19mm. Or maybe it's just the guns that they had available at the time. Nothing special. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 05:43, 10 January 2013 (EST)
:::To me the 1911s they are using in the film are supposed to be seen as .45 ACP ones but the 9mm was a lot more reliable with blanks at the time. The every day film goer would see a 1911 and just assume that it's a .45 ACP one. Like in Terminator 2, the 1911 Arnie has is a 9mm because of the better performance with blanks, but in the shot where he takes spare ammunition from the hospital guard the magazines were loaded with .45 ACP rounds. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 06:29, 10 January 2013 (EST)
::::Indeed, the 9mm 1911s are 'playing' the role of .45 1911s. Much like actors are rarely the same age as their characters. :p --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] ([[User talk:Joffeloff|talk]]) 17:35, 10 January 2013 (EST)
I see. Still, a magazine capacity of only 7 rounds is clearly not enough to engage in the "suppressive fire" tactics P&L are seen doing--it's a waste of ammunition and leaves you open while reloading as opposed to aimed fire. Given the speculation I've read about P&L having received training in armed forces in the backstory, maybe the Beretta M9 would have been better for them after all (it would fit their need for "suppressive fire" in a pistol). There are reports of "unsavoury figures" who sign up for the US armed forces infantry branches so they can better handle themselves in a life of crime with their weapons skills, after having finished their tours of duty. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 18:42, 10 January 2013 (EST)
Just my opinion, but wouldn't it make more sense that they are using 38 super 1911's since the film is taking place in Mexico and 38 super 1911's are some of the most popular guns you find down there. -- [[User:Serpico1911|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911\talk]]) 06:26, 17 March 2017 (CST)

Talk:John Wick: Chapter 2

2017-03-04T13:45:21Z

Serpico1911: /* 1911s */

SO MUCH YES --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 21:24, 6 October 2016 (EDT)
:I KNOW!!! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:43, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
::The hype is real!--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:44, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
:::And then there's me: I think the film looks generic.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 21:17, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
::::It really is, but it's not how original a story can be. The best thing you can do to a generic type of character is to have pretty good acting and for us here, awesome gun play and John Wick is awesome at the gun play. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:59, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
So, any special reason he's using some fancy Glock and AR-15 from a company no one has heard of? Why not give him his old P30 and HK416 back? Why do armorers keep buying overpriced Glocks with fancy aftermarket parts?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:35, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Taran Tactical isn't an unknown company. It might not be as famous or infamous as Salient, but it's known enough in some circles. They also trained Will Smith for Suicide Squad. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:11, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure Keanu Reeves trained with them for the movie.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 00:35, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
::I've heard somewhere that Keanu Reeves has some sort of share in Taran Tactical. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:12, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
:[https://www.facebook.com/TaranTactical/videos/1129178030434266/ Yep]. They even had a [https://www.facebook.com/TaranTactical/posts/1291057160913018 contest perfect for us].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 00:39, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
::Here's the same [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpr8oqyjKIc video]on youtube for those who loathe facebook. Anyway, i think those tacticooled glocks sorta fit in a silly movie like John Wick. Then again, the only other movies where i've ever seen these types of pimped guns are the Transformers movies and 13 hours.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:23, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
:::It makes a sort of sense in a way of people of expensive groups will buy expensive things, including guns if need be. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:59, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
::: One of the unseen henchmen on the poster (on the right) appears to be holding a P30L with the same compensator from the first film. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 11:00, 9 October 2016 (EDT)

Here's another vid of him training with Aaron Cohen, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKISkjMtPU [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:00, 12 October 2016 (EDT)

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID this launcher. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 14:30, 19 December 2016 (EST)
[[File:JW2 304.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::Looks like an [[ARWEN 37]] to me.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 15:09, 19 December 2016 (EST)
::: It was definitely an ARWEN 37, even got to see the loading process. --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 07:39, 13 February 2017 (EST)

== Glock ==
Looks like the Glock that was used in this film is currently on display at SHOT Show:
https://scontent.fdet1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15977767_10154301140996134_2975412249705260393_n.jpg?oh=e720456e623db93a6644ca3c46a432c9&oe=591FE97A

[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] ([[User talk:Lynx|talk]]) 12:05, 19 January 2017 (EST)
:Cool--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:38, 19 January 2017 (EST)
::Apparently he's also carrying a Taran Glock 26 too, if Glock themselves are to be [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/26/glock-movies-shot-2017/ believed.]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:07, 27 January 2017 (EST)

:There's a short clip ad of the scene where John Wick talks to the gun guy about what gun recommendations. He suggested a Glock 34, a Glock 26 as well as an "AR-15" and Benelli M4 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:57, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::Got a link to that clip?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 11:36, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::I've been trying to look for it, but it only appears as an ad every time I watch a Youtube vid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:28, 27 January 2017 (EST)

Nevermind. Found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgxWQADcWXI [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:29, 27 January 2017 (EST)
:That's neat. I guess all those guns have some Taran tactical thing going on with them...--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:18, 27 January 2017 (EST)

== Armory ==

[[File:JW2Armory1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:JW2Armory2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Grabbed a couple more shots of the armory from the trailer. Does anyone know what the rifles that are hanging horizontally are? I can't place them, and it's bugging me.
--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] ([[User talk:Lynx|talk]]) 11:45, 3 February 2017 (EST)
:Beretta AR70/90?--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:16, 3 February 2017 (EST)
:: Yep, seems like a AR70/90--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] ([[User talk:Flavio|talk]]) 13:56, 3 February 2017 (EST)
:::Looks like the 90 to be specific.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:31, 3 February 2017 (EST)

: In Picture #1 I see several Glock 17s on the top shelf and what looks like a Glock 17L on the very far right. The shelf below that has a compact SIG P220 series handgun (not sure which), a VP9, and two empty spots which is likely where John got his two Glocks below. The one below that has two Beretta 92 handguns, and another that I can't identify (looked ''kind of'' like a compact Walther P99 or Springfield XD but I don't think it is.) The bottom shelf is mostly unidentifiable but the one on the furthest right looks kind of like a HK Mark 23 to me. Leaning against that shelf is an M79. The right most shelf has more Glock 17s, two two-tone SIG-Sauer P226s, and a Beretta 93R. There's another 93R and a Px4 on the one below that.
: In Picture #2 I see MP5Ks, two of which have compensators attached and several Uzis/Mini-Uzis. To the right of those are a bunch of MP5s, some of which have Surefire lights installed. Can't identify the shotguns, sadly.
--[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 21:02, 3 February 2017 (EST)
::There's also a Beretta PM12 in between the MP5Ks and Uzis. Most of the guns on the bottom are hard to ID, but there's a couple of obvious M4/M16 variants.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] ([[User talk:Lynx|talk]]) 10:58, 5 February 2017 (EST)
:::Two of those tall shotguns are Benelli M4s, and it looks like there are two SG553s behind them, in addition to regular Beretta AR 70s.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 11:47, 5 February 2017 (EST)

== Just saw it ==

So let me start by saying that if you're a fan of the first, chances are you'll love this one, I did. The action was beautifully choreographed and shot, and the world of the continental was expanded upon really well. Now for the guns I saw. Bear with me because the movie moved really fast and a lot of guns were used, but this is what I remember.

-HK P30L - Same gun from the first movie, used by John in the opening fight briefly. Later seen buried under John's floor.

-Kel-Tech KSG - Seen briefly being buried underneath John's floor in the beginning.

-Coharie Arms CA-415 - Buried alongside the KSG and another gun I couldn't identify.

-Glock 26 - Also seen alongside the P30L being buried.

-ARWEN 37 - Used by Santino in the beginning of the film. Portrayed as an explosive grenade launcher.

-Glock 34 - Main sidearm used by John in Rome, Had either the TTI or Salient modification. It was specifically referred to as the Glock 34 by "The Sommelier" (armorer). He also mentioned it's Austrian roots as well as the German roots of the P30.

-Glock 27 - Also used by John in Rome. Also provided by The Sommelier. It may have been a Glock 26 but I seem to remember him calling it the 27, I could be wrong though. Used in a fistfight with Cassien.

-Benelli M4 - Also used by John in Rome. Also provided by The Sommelier. Referred to by name and it's Italian roots are directly mentioned.

-TTI TR-1 - Final weapon used by John in Rome (I believe). Once again, provided by The Sommelier. He refers to it as an AR-15, and the specifications of it's attachments were mentioned but unfortunately I cannot remember them. Also appears to be used by Ares men in the final battle

-Kimber Warrior - Used by John as well as countless other assassins including Ares ([[Ruby Rose]]). Seen in both suppressed and unsuppressed modes, both of which are used by John. The Bowery King ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) provides one to John before the climax. He specifically refers to it as a "Kimber 1911" and also mentions it's seven round capacity, which also annoys John. The final gun John handles in the film.

-Grey Glock? - Used by Cassien ([[Common]]) while pursuing John through New York. Appeared to be a grey Colored Glock with a matching grey suppressor. Could be a custom gun or could be something entirely different, I didn't get a clear look at it.

-Various handguns - Used by multiple assassins attempting to kill John in New York. Appeared to be an assortment of Glocks, Kimbers, and HKs in suppressed and unsuppressed forms. Didn't get a clear view of them. John procures many of them from the assassins he kills throughout.

-Beretta Cheetah - Appeared to be used by one of The Bowery King's men who saves John. Seen suppressed. Also used, unsuppressed, by Santino D'Antonio ([[Riccardo Scamarcio]])

-Bowery King arsenal - Various weapons, many the same as seen earlier in the film, however I did notice what appeared to be an RPG-7 in one of the racks.

-Glock 17 - Carried by nearly all of Santino's men. Multiple are used by John in the finale, with him procuring a new one every time he runs out of ammo in the previous one.

-Sig SG 550 and 552 - Used by Ares' men in the finale. Some appeared to lack rear iron sights.

Thats about it. Cassien used a handgun during his fight with John in Rome, but I never got a clear view of it. Also in the finale Ares's men used a collection of AR-15s and I believe a few SMGs. I couldn't quite tell what models the SMGs were, however they appeared to be HKs and also lacked rear iron sights, though I could just be rememebering the Sigs and imagining that they used SMGs (Quite likely to be honest, It was a late showing and I'm fairly tired). I'm sure I missed several guns, as like I said this was a gun heavy movie, however i will comment that many of the same models appeared repeatedly, probably props being reused. Both The Bowery King and The Sommelier had large arsenals with numerous guns I was unable to Identify. Sorry for missing some things, the movie moved at a breakneck pace and I didn't always have time to appreciate the action on screen and notice what guns we're being used.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 05:09, 10 February 2017 (EST)
:The Sommelier mentions that Wick's AR-15 has a Trijicon Accupoint, but I don't remember him specifying the exact model. Also, regarding The Sommeliers arsenal, I believe the rifles in the background are Beretta AR70/90's.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 17:43, 13 February 2017 (EST)

I just saw it and I am pretty sure Cassien's grey glock was actually an Arsenal Strike One, It had a distinctive step down forward of the ejection port. You get a short but clear view of it when Cassien does an ammo check in the subway shootout. --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 14:34, 12 February 2017 (EST)

We also need a photo of TTI's Glock 34 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:23, 14 February 2017 (EST)

:They showed them off at the SHOT Show
:TTI Glock 34
:http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20170117_124643-600x537.jpg
:TTI Glock 26
:http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20170117_124607-600x341.jpg
Also there was a picture (cut away drawing?) of a H&K MG4 with a G36 Hensoldt AG Sight/carrying handle in Laurence Fishburne's office.
:--[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 15:40, 15 February 2017 (EST)

The 1911 that Ares uses is a S&W 1911 either a PD or an SC model I'm leaning towards a PD full size. Also the gun John uses at the very end seems to be some kind of Kimber with a custom compensator. [[User:Serpico1911|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911|talk]] 03:38, 15 February 2017 (CST)
:Finally got to see it. To think they weren't going to show this movie in sweden! Thank god they did! It blew my dick off! Liked alot of things in it, but one thing that stood out to me was that i've never seen an action movie like this were the main character reloads as often as he does. Also, don't know if this is the case, but i watched this with a friend and he counted that in the Museum scene (when Wick is switching between guns left and right) he only shot the various pistols he picked up ten times before they ran out.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:07, 24 February 2017 (EST)
::Just saw it too, my jaw hit the floor when Keanu did the [[Killing Floor 2]] style ''one-handed'' brass check on a 1911 before entering the hall of mirrors towards the end.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 01:31, 25 February 2017 (EST)
:::The only other movie ive seen someone do that style of brass check before is The way of the gun. Can't think of any movie where someone brass checked guns as often as this one--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:28, 25 February 2017 (EST)
::::Only movies that come to mind for brass checking is pretty much anything by Michael Mann, particularly Heat, but not as much as this film. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 18:29, 25 February 2017 (EST)

I'd say that Ares's pistol is a SW1911SC variant. I say this because we get a good look at the slide a few times, and it has the particular slide serrations of the SC series of SW1911's. It also seemed to have a black slide, but a stainless steel frame, but I could be wrong, saw the film last night. Loved it.--[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 13:05, 26 February 2017 (EST)

== 1911s ==

I'm pretty sure that the 1911 used by Ares is a S&W. I remember in one shot you could clearly see the extractor and the fish scale type serrations. I can't recall exactly what happened, but after John beats Ares to a pulp, he takes her 1911, but later when he's at the continental and shoots that guy with it, the 1911 he used is some variant with a compensator. Unless she was carrying two different 1911s, this might be a continuity error.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:19, 2 March 2017 (EST)

Your right. I remember watching this a second time that Ares had a suppressor on hers and clearly no compensator so...either a deleted scene or he just got a completely different 1911. I remember he frisked Ares for a spare mag and reloaded it since it was empty but when he used it at the Continental, it locked back, meaning he had fired all but one round so...I think there must be a deleted scene involved or something or just bad continuity, which is surprising for a movie like this. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:46, 2 March 2017 (EST)

Other than the final scene where we know for a fact that it's a Kimber 1911 as we can plainly see, I think all other 1911s should be in a separate section under 1911. Cassian's 1911, Ares' and the one John used in the subway fight [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:58, 2 March 2017 (EST)
:Yeah, lumping the S&W 1911 together with the Kimber is just confusing.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:27, 2 March 2017 (EST)

I have a pic. that could be from the supposed deleted scene but not sure how to upload the photo to here if anyone could help with that. [[User:Serpico1911|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911|talk]] 00:37, 4 March 2047 (CST)
: On the left side of the screen, Toolbox, Upload File.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 05:46, 4 March 2017 (EST)

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Serpico1911:

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Serpico1911: /* 1911s */

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Serpico1911: This may or may not be from a deleted scene or it could be from the subway shootout

This may or may not be from a deleted scene or it could be from the subway shootout

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Serpico1911: /* 1911s */

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Serpico1911: opinion on the gun Ares uses