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Talk:The Expendables 2

2012-06-06T23:17:56Z

Sentient6:

==Hemsworth's piece==
[[Image:Ex2Hemsworth.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Lima Hemsworth also has an AR-15 type rifle in the teaser, but only the combat scope on the waepon is seen clearly. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 07:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== Poster ==

As good as the poster looks, is actually the real one? I seem to remember it coming out a few weeks ago but was dismissed as an incredibly well made fake, as the text at the bottom is gibberish. Having said that, the weapons (for the most part, G36K rather than G36C) and costumes seem to match, so perhaps it is an early mockup with gibberish text as a place holder, but either way I believe Millennium Films requested that it be taken down from various websites. I believe the poster below, boring as it may be, is the official one that was released with the trailer.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:The-expendables-poster.jpg|thumb|300px|none|''The Expendables 2'' (2012)]]

== Arnold and AA-12 ==

It does remind me of Commando. --[[User:Eisiishai|Eisiishai]] 03:30, 17 December 2011 (CST)

== Behind the scenes ==

Bunch of BTS weapon pics
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36991167#post36991167
:If those aren't "official" behind the scenes images I don't think they are allowed to be posted here, you will have to check with a mod. However, while searching to find out where they came from, I found the following [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.265642526828218.63020.115601671832305&type=1 facebook gallery] that has all of those images and more where I saw something insetting. In two of the pictures ([http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/546414_333627663363037_115601671832305_912554_356253241_n.jpg] and [http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/485714_333628380029632_115601671832305_912579_1021573352_n.jpg]) you can see that a few background people are using the AKs mocked up as M16s that were first used in ''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]]'' (that page IDs them as Arsenal rifle, but just realised whilst checking for this that they are actually Valmets). I find it hard to believe that they were able to get ACRs, SCARs, G36s, SG552s but couldn't get their hands on a genuine M16A2 but am fairly sure that is what they are (it is shot in Bulgaria as well). It could be the case that the "main" enemy weapons like the sniperised ACRs are shipped in, wheras the "background" enemy weapons like these fake M16s and the AKs (probably Arsenal ARs) are locally sourced. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:18, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:Like I said, I would check with a mod first before adding any more of these behind the scenes images. When exactly the same situation occurred with the latest Transformers movie the images were removed so I wouldn't bank on it being different in this case. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:37, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::It looks like some guy posted some personal photos. The facebook page is just a fan site as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:33, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::Unless these are official images they need to come down immediately; someone tell me if there's any sign of these being officially approved so I can tell if they need to be deleted completely or not. Also, the site's tagline is "guns in movies," not "guns on the floor of a warehouse." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:35, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::We're not allowed to post amateur BTS shots of films? Video game pages do it all the time. The guy's clear to post them on his facebook, hence all the stars posing with him. Also probably better to move the images to Discussion rather than delete them completely so sections can be restored when the film comes out. As for "no guns outside of movie footage", you should check some of the site's pages. Many of them use shots like that as it's the only way to get a clean view of them.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 09:01, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::You're not allowed to use amateur shots unless it is ''absolutely'' clear that they have been released with the permission of the studio. I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we ''don't'' allow things like the MW3 leak on pages. And the problem isn't guns outside of movies, it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie that a cinema-goer actually sees or for that matter is even in the movie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:19, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::There isn't really that much point moving to the discussion as right now apart from the disallowed photos all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it? With other pages that include ''official'' behind the scenes images and caps, they are useful to show details of the gun and to help ID it. The links to the galleries are in this discussion page if anyone wants to look at the photos to help ID stuff when the movie comes out, so for now lets just wait and see what actually turns up in the movie. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:27, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::"''I'm not sure what you mean about video games, we don't allow things like the MW3 leak on pages."'' Uh, might want to double check that, the MW3 leak was there since the leak up until game release''."it's when the only picture of a gun on the page is it sitting on the floor of a warehouse, with no proof it's ever going to make it into any cut of the movie"'' The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie. The reason there are two of them in each photo is in case one breaks, that's how much they're going to be using them. ''"all the sections contain is "X is seen in a BTS photo", which won't be in the entry when the page is made properly, so why preserve it?"'' Well, for me, I check this page (and others) before release because I want to know what guns will be used so I can get even more excited for seeing it. That's why many other people come to this site. You didn't think pages were traffic graveyards until release, did you? Also, what's the point of a site that covers guns in media if it suppresses info on guns in media.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 11:45, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::Just because a gun is on set doesn't mean it will be used (and if it is whether it will actually be visible in the finished film), that is pure presumption. And how do you know that "The pics were taken specifically to show what guns would be in the movie."? From what I have seen they are just pictures that were taken by a random extra or crew on set, if they were officially released by the film makers to show the range of weaponry that they will be using I'm fairly sure they wouldn't have been taken with such a crappy camera and would be available through other channels than forums and facebook pages. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:57, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
::::::::The MW3 leak was ''not'' up until the game was released, I removed those shots from the page myself almost as soon as they were put up. Leaked or unofficial images are not allowed, that's why the upcoming template specifically says all images must be from official sources. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:21, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
:::::::::New trailer shows Hemsworth with a Barret, JCVD with an AUG A3, and promo shots show Dolph with an MGL. Just like how all the MW3 leaked guns were in the final game, so will the guns from those shots be in this film, as they were obviously going to be since the beginning. Disturbing that a mod for the site seeks to reduce the info on guns in films and doesn't know much about film production.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 14:33, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
::::::::::Umm, just cause something appears in a promo or trailer does not, in fact, mean it appears in the film. There was a trailer for Predators that showed Adrian Brody standing there with around a dozen of the Predator laser sights focused on his chest, making it look like he was up against an army of predators. In the movie, there was a single laser on his chest, as he faced just the 1. In a trailer for the 3 Stooges movie, there's a scene where a nun in a bathing suit gets out of the pool and Curly comments on her hair being different. That scene was not in the final movie. There was another movie I recall awhile back(mighta been Blade 3 but I won't swear to it), where a weapon was shown on the film's official website that didn't make it into the movie itself either. So actually, no, just because a gun is on set somewhere does NOT mean it will a)make it to the final cut of the film, or b)make it into a scene where it can actually be identified. For example, a movie set might have a mix of Russian AKs, Chinese Norincos, and Bulgarian Arsenal ARs, then just randomly give them to "background" soldiers or whatever, where they won't be seen clearly enough to be identified individually in the film itself. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:26, 5 May 2012 (CDT)
Temp89, Tim is just doing his job. We could have serious reprocusions here if we posted unauthorised images here. We have several "deals" made with parties in the film industry and we got them by not posting Pirated or "leaked" information. On the Public Enemies page we had an image of a screen used M1911 machine pistol that we had to remove due to the studio's say so. While we might not have liked it it does cover our butts as far as the studios are concerned.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 15:36, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

New trailer has debuted...anyone up for going through it?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQf3YP8p85I&feature=youtu.be

==Couture's poster==

This one: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Couture.jpg. Are you sure that's a Diplomat he's holding? The front sight and the barrel are wrong... -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 18:17, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Shoot 'Em Up

2012-06-06T22:28:30Z

Sentient6: /* Just realize something */

==Charles Taylor's Armory==
These didn't really fit on the main page so here's some shots of [[Charles Taylor]]'s armory from the film.
[[Image:SEUArmory-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here we see a [[Ruger Speed Six]], a [[M1911|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac]], another above it, a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG P226]], and a [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] above that.]]
I believe that is a Ruger Security six and not the Speed six. If i remember correctly the speed six has a fixed back sight and the Security six has a adjustable back sight like the one in the picture.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SEUArmory-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here we see two Nite-Tacs, the tutone SIG P226, a Micro Uzi, a Beretta 92FS and a Taurus PT92 AFS. At the top is a full sized Uzi.]]
[[Image:SEUArmory-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A full shot of the table.]]

== Images... ==

Anyone think we're all overdoing a bit w/the number of images that are posted? Takes forever to scroll thru 'em all & the page is a 1000Xs larger than it needs to be! How about an upper limit of say 3-5? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 20:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
: Blasphemy. Hot Fuzz has even more images, as well it should. [[Special:Contributions/24.228.54.78|24.228.54.78]] 21:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
::What's this "we" shit? I don't see you making pages. I've been better about going over on screencaps, but many of these shots show different users, different scenes, and do more than just document guns. I also made Hot Fuzz btw. Check my pages made, I've made a lot of pages. And I do upload a lot of screencaps sometimes, but I rarely do so without a cause. Try reading the captions under the images, they tend to show why I go over sometimes. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::Okay, no more "we shit" ;) "YOU go overboard with screencaps" is what some posters are saying ... and you always take it personally, like they don't appreciate the hard work you do. That's not the issue. Of course you do hard work and much of it is excellent, but you seem to have a really hard time understanding why a lot of IMFDB users start getting tired of seeing 15-20 shots of the same gun. (BTW, you have gotten much better re: screencaps compared to the earlier pages, which of course, none of us can edit at all or else you'll kill us ;) ) You have to start understanding that there is a point where viewers start saying to themselves ''"Alright already! Enough with the fucking gun! Get on with it already!"'' There has to be a filter where one sees that there is too much of a good thing. Again this has nothing to do with the hard work. It is incredibly hard work and you are thanked for it. But don't confuse criticism for the editorial decision with insults to your hard work or direct insults for that matter. For the record, I will never 'touch' one of your pages. You're a mod, so it is inappropriate, but I am tempted to start cutting back some of the absolutely ridiculous pages made by new members. It makes IMFDB look bad when it appears we have no restraint whatsoever when it comes to screencaps ([[We Were Soldiers#XM16E1|Like this section]]) Again, critiques of editorial choices are not insults to the man. But we (IMFDB) are going to see more and more of these 'conflicts'. MPM
:::BTW, I do like what you did on this page, even though I will never see this antigun film. MPM2008
::::Heh, that is my We Were Soldiers page. That was unexpected but i guess it was just matter of time until someone counted the screencaps and complained about them. I am really, really sorry. The gun porn in that movie was just too good.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's not like I pic a bunch of crappy shots though that barely show the gun. I try to pick the best of the best. I never have that "Enough already" mentallity, so maybe that's why I never understand what the big deal is. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Desert Eagle ==

The screencap of the Desert Eagle closeup looks pretty clearly stamped with ".44". Also, the film was shot in Canada, which makes the usage of a .44 magnum handgun much more likely.

What does Canada have to do with the .44 Mag?...if that is your logic wouldn't it be more likely that its a airsoft...since it's filmed in Canada.[[Spades of Columbia]]

:Canadian armorers tend use .44 mag Desert Eagles, while American ones use mostly .357 or .50AE.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

::''that is your logic wouldn't it be more likely that its a airsoft...since it's filmed in Canada''

::You think all of our pictures of screen-used guns from movies like ''[[Scarface]]'' and ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' are airsoft? Movie armorers are specially licensed to own/rent/handle real weapons on movie sets, dude. Doesn't matter what country they're in. Anyway, most .44 Magnum Mark XIXs have the barrel "fluting", which this gun doesn't have, so it's probably .50 AE. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

It was a joke towards Canada's harsh gun laws...I know they dont use airsoft and I was unaware that Canadians had a preference on what caliber desert eagles they use in all thier action flixs.[[Spades of Columbia]]

== This Film is Anti gun ==
Anyone else annoyed by this film's rhetoric and think it's anti-gun?
there were quotes like "What do you think of the 2nd Amendment now" and "why so people can go deer hunting with an uzi" all said by the hero -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
: I agree. How stupid is that, a shoot em up (actually named shoot em up) is anti gun. Or at least Smith is anti gun, which makes him a mega hypocrite. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I say it's anti-"Bad people having guns". I'd say Smith doesn't hate guns in themselves, or he hates guns, but acknowledges that there is no way to completely eradicate them. I dunno, I just watch this for the action. -protoAuthor
:::Christ, not this argument AGAIN... --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Best way to deal with this is to skip the scene when Smith talks to the Presidential candidate on the plane. Most of the egregious anti-gun crap comes from that scene alone. Just skip from when he sets up the meeting to the skydiving shootout.

Or, just skip the whole movie. It's not very good IMHO. There are much better films to watch "just for the action" that are not an affront to lawful sportsman and responsible gun owners and shooters. --[[User:James3|James3]] 14:47, 4 June 2012 (CDT)

== Just a question... ==

[[Image:SEURem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Has that guy been turned into a cardboard cutout of himself by the blast from the shotgun? He looks rather flat. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 01:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:He '''does''' look flat. I won't put past that considering the rest of the movie.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's just a trick of the camera, he falls back and hits the wall after he's shot, so I doubt they could get a cardboard cut out to do that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

sorry i have to point out an error on the quotation given
its not Mr Bill Hertz it's Mr Karl Hertz

hope this helps

:~)

now we know the results of trap the hero of an action movies in a gun factory

== Just realize something ==
I know this movie makes fun of itself but this one scene actually stood out watching it. The scene is the second time we see the Desert Eagle in the whore house and Clive Owens said it is a 6 shooter. Then Paul Giamatti mentions that Clive Owen's Taurus was empty (even though we see it later on), and then mentioned that the Glock he was holding can't be used by him. My question is, why didn't Clive Owen's character just take the mag out, and swap the ammo from that with his other gun that works? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:51, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
:Well, extracting the bullets one by one, then loading them into the other mag one by one would make for some rather boring cinema, don't you think. Plus, it's not like the other guys would just stand there and watch the process. -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 17:28, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

==Browning BDM==
I fail to see a resemblance --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 04:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

== MP5K ==

I don't know if the photo on the set is ever maked with the same weapons used in the final version of the film, but the image below reveals that Smith fires an MP5KA4 and not an MP5K with navy group in the stairs scene how specificated in the page... --[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 21:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SmithHeckler.jpg|thumb|none|350px]]

:It might be a continuity error. Our screencaps show that the MP5K has an SEF trigger group initially. Though I can't really be sure, as I haven't seen this movie yet. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== WTF? ==
I get the whole "suspension of disbelief" concept, but one thing about this movie still drives me nuts: ''where the hell did Smith get that animatronic baby''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

You mean that you dont have a box of animatronic babies sitting around?
-Double Agent M

== Trigger Discipline ==

I get this movie is not realistic at all, but for someone who is amazing with firearms, shouldn't Smith have shown better trigger discipline? The only person I saw throughout the movie that exercised any Trigger Discipline was Hertz when he was reloading his Desert Eagle in the Hammerson Warehouse.

== PPK and Desert Eagle ==

Did any one else think that the PPK looked tiny in Clive Owen's hands, more so than with other actors, making you think he has big hands; then when he handles the Desert Eagle it looks huge, which would have the oposite implications of the PPK? Thoughts? --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 09:51, 5 June 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Prometheus

2012-06-06T18:15:44Z

Sentient6: /* Rifle */

Made a start on a Prometheus(trailer) page, hope it's ok. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 07:19, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:Be sure to look over the changes I've made to get a better understanding of proper page formatting and categorizing.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:03, 23 December 2011 (CST)

Hmm, a prequal to the Alien series? Let me guess. The plot should go like this judging by the trailers: the crew of Prometheus, who are watched by the Weyland company from the Aliens quadrilogy, are on some sort of archeological discovery about ancient human civilizations being aware of the existence of alien life forms, which are in fact the Space Jockeys. The Space Jockeys are what appears to be members of an ancient empire that died off many years ago. Whatever was left of the empire retreated to LV-416. They embark on a journey of discovery and find LV-416. There, they discover the Space Jockeys' habitat. After the first encounter with the Space Jockeys' habitat becomes chaotic (possibly one of the crew becomes impregnated or something as in Alien), they discover the derelict spacecraft from Alien. They learn that the Space Jockeys are planning on shipping unhatched "facehungers" to Earth using the spacecraft and destroy Earth with these biological weapons. Whatever is left of the crew then sacrifice themselves to prevent the spacecraft from departing LV-416. Before they die, a transmission is sent from the planet as a warning to humanity. The transmission cuts short due to some other problems and Weyland keeps the information of this whole mission in secret. Then, several centuries later, Weyland decides to recover whatever Prometheus collected and sends their best crew, Ripley's mining team, over to the planet while disguising this "special mission" as a typical mining operation. To make sure it progresses well, they insert an android named "Ash" into Ripley's team and commands Ash to do whatever is necessary to retrieve their "package", even at the expense of the crew's lives. From there, it sets the stage for the Alien quadrilogy. The End. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:03, 13 May 2012 (CDT)

You mean LV-426.[[User:poppabear|poppabear]]

Also, this movie is set in 2073, if you know the canon of the Alien quadrilogy, "Alien" was set in 2122. That's only 49 years later, not centuries --[[User:Burton123|Burton123]] 07:49, 18 May 2012 (CDT)

So by that logic in barely half a century, this awesome and very contemporary rifle that was made for the new movie prequel, turns into the Pulse Rifle, which looks like what the 80s thought future weapons will look like. Though to be honest, the Storm Rifle looks like the Pulse rifle in a different color scheme with a longer barrel and an optic, and it first 5.56 instead of 10mm. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:32, 18 May 2012 (CDT)

The Storm Rifle wasn't made for the film. That's a CGI image made for viral marketing only. It's not in the movie.--[[User:James3|James3]] 17:01, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

"Alien" was suppose to take place right after the United States Tricentennial. That is what the red and white triangular shaped patch on their uniforms represented. Depending on the travel time in suspended animation (in the Aliens universe, it takes time to travel between the stars), about 2077 to 2079 is when "Alien" took place, a century after the movie was filmed. --[[User:Krel|Krel]] 21:17, 18 May 2012 (CDT)

No, many canon sources state that "Aliens" & "Alien 3" are set in 2179. Ripley had been drifting for 57 years since "Alien" so that gives you the year 2122. Regardless of whether Ridley Scott intended Alien to be set in 2079, subsequent films gave a specific date for their setting, therefore it is easy to give "Alien" a definitive date by working backward. It can be assumed that Ridley Scott then moved his original "Alien" date of "late 21st century" to this movie in order not to break established canon. --[[User:Burton123|Burton123]] 06:06, 20 May 2012 (CDT)

Yes, the costume designer says that the patches commemorated America's Tricentennial, and I believe that it was also stated as such in the making of Alien book. Although I don't believe that the movie ever stated a year, just that they spent an extra ten months in transit, with the same going home. But I'm going to be obstinate and stick with the costume designer, 2079. :) --[[User:Krel|Krel]] 23:39, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Fair enough, but the evidence as stands has been thoroughly researched & compiled from multiple sources here: http://time.absoluteavp.com/index.html

As to the date given for this film's setting I seem to recall it being in the 2070's or something similar. I guess we'll see when it's released :) --[[User:Burton123|Burton123]] 06:15, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

Wow! I thought that, that site went away years ago, thanks. I don't think that you can really compare the time line of this movie to "Alien" films. I have read that Ridley Scott has said that it isn't a prequel to "Alien", but rather a movie that uses the Alien universe, but with changes. --[[User:Krel|Krel]] 22:38, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

=Rifle=
'''Secondly, Weyland introduced a targeting system that is able to identify and track its targets 500 km away, and also compensate for any and all ballistic factors (including different atmospheric pressure and density in off-world environment). Thirdly, a new 5.56 round was developed, with a bullet made of off-world materials (or, alternatively, uranium carbide) and able to travel quickly and almost indefinitely. The «modern» Storm rifle of 2073 is extremely light (1.3 kg), being made of micro-perforated titanum alloy, and is supposedly equipped with an underbarrel pump-action 30mm grenade launcher'''

Please tell me someone isn't serious. Am I supposed to belive that a rifle is able to track a target ''300 miles away???'' That's way, ''way'', over the horizon. And 1.3 kg weight? Is it made of air? That's less than 3 pounds, or slightly heavier than an M1911 and lighter than any rifle in history. What idiot wrote the specs on this thing? Does it have a "barrel thing that goes up" as well?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 18:18, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

:"being made of micro-perforated titanum alloy" So, um, it's a gun made of metallic foam? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:04, 28 May 2012 (CDT)

::More to the point, it isn't in the film. At least, I didn't see it. Remove it from the page?--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 04:55, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

It isn't even in the movie?! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:08, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

:::I didn't see it. The only weapons I saw were the pistols, the shotgun and the flamethrower. Unless it was hidden in the background somewhere (unlikely) I'd say it's just some idiot who's posted it on here because they think it makes them cool. The image looks fake anyway. --[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 11:44, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Well, it ''is'' featured on the website made to promote the movie http://www.weylandindustries.com/security (bottom right). Of course, it doesn't mean it's actually going to be in the movie. And the "500 km" part is really pushing the fiction part of sci-fi... -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 13:15, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Prometheus

2012-06-06T18:15:20Z

Sentient6: /* Rifle */

Made a start on a Prometheus(trailer) page, hope it's ok. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 07:19, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:Be sure to look over the changes I've made to get a better understanding of proper page formatting and categorizing.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:03, 23 December 2011 (CST)

Hmm, a prequal to the Alien series? Let me guess. The plot should go like this judging by the trailers: the crew of Prometheus, who are watched by the Weyland company from the Aliens quadrilogy, are on some sort of archeological discovery about ancient human civilizations being aware of the existence of alien life forms, which are in fact the Space Jockeys. The Space Jockeys are what appears to be members of an ancient empire that died off many years ago. Whatever was left of the empire retreated to LV-416. They embark on a journey of discovery and find LV-416. There, they discover the Space Jockeys' habitat. After the first encounter with the Space Jockeys' habitat becomes chaotic (possibly one of the crew becomes impregnated or something as in Alien), they discover the derelict spacecraft from Alien. They learn that the Space Jockeys are planning on shipping unhatched "facehungers" to Earth using the spacecraft and destroy Earth with these biological weapons. Whatever is left of the crew then sacrifice themselves to prevent the spacecraft from departing LV-416. Before they die, a transmission is sent from the planet as a warning to humanity. The transmission cuts short due to some other problems and Weyland keeps the information of this whole mission in secret. Then, several centuries later, Weyland decides to recover whatever Prometheus collected and sends their best crew, Ripley's mining team, over to the planet while disguising this "special mission" as a typical mining operation. To make sure it progresses well, they insert an android named "Ash" into Ripley's team and commands Ash to do whatever is necessary to retrieve their "package", even at the expense of the crew's lives. From there, it sets the stage for the Alien quadrilogy. The End. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:03, 13 May 2012 (CDT)

You mean LV-426.[[User:poppabear|poppabear]]

Also, this movie is set in 2073, if you know the canon of the Alien quadrilogy, "Alien" was set in 2122. That's only 49 years later, not centuries --[[User:Burton123|Burton123]] 07:49, 18 May 2012 (CDT)

So by that logic in barely half a century, this awesome and very contemporary rifle that was made for the new movie prequel, turns into the Pulse Rifle, which looks like what the 80s thought future weapons will look like. Though to be honest, the Storm Rifle looks like the Pulse rifle in a different color scheme with a longer barrel and an optic, and it first 5.56 instead of 10mm. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:32, 18 May 2012 (CDT)

The Storm Rifle wasn't made for the film. That's a CGI image made for viral marketing only. It's not in the movie.--[[User:James3|James3]] 17:01, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

"Alien" was suppose to take place right after the United States Tricentennial. That is what the red and white triangular shaped patch on their uniforms represented. Depending on the travel time in suspended animation (in the Aliens universe, it takes time to travel between the stars), about 2077 to 2079 is when "Alien" took place, a century after the movie was filmed. --[[User:Krel|Krel]] 21:17, 18 May 2012 (CDT)

No, many canon sources state that "Aliens" & "Alien 3" are set in 2179. Ripley had been drifting for 57 years since "Alien" so that gives you the year 2122. Regardless of whether Ridley Scott intended Alien to be set in 2079, subsequent films gave a specific date for their setting, therefore it is easy to give "Alien" a definitive date by working backward. It can be assumed that Ridley Scott then moved his original "Alien" date of "late 21st century" to this movie in order not to break established canon. --[[User:Burton123|Burton123]] 06:06, 20 May 2012 (CDT)

Yes, the costume designer says that the patches commemorated America's Tricentennial, and I believe that it was also stated as such in the making of Alien book. Although I don't believe that the movie ever stated a year, just that they spent an extra ten months in transit, with the same going home. But I'm going to be obstinate and stick with the costume designer, 2079. :) --[[User:Krel|Krel]] 23:39, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Fair enough, but the evidence as stands has been thoroughly researched & compiled from multiple sources here: http://time.absoluteavp.com/index.html

As to the date given for this film's setting I seem to recall it being in the 2070's or something similar. I guess we'll see when it's released :) --[[User:Burton123|Burton123]] 06:15, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

Wow! I thought that, that site went away years ago, thanks. I don't think that you can really compare the time line of this movie to "Alien" films. I have read that Ridley Scott has said that it isn't a prequel to "Alien", but rather a movie that uses the Alien universe, but with changes. --[[User:Krel|Krel]] 22:38, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

=Rifle=
'''Secondly, Weyland introduced a targeting system that is able to identify and track its targets 500 km away, and also compensate for any and all ballistic factors (including different atmospheric pressure and density in off-world environment). Thirdly, a new 5.56 round was developed, with a bullet made of off-world materials (or, alternatively, uranium carbide) and able to travel quickly and almost indefinitely. The «modern» Storm rifle of 2073 is extremely light (1.3 kg), being made of micro-perforated titanum alloy, and is supposedly equipped with an underbarrel pump-action 30mm grenade launcher'''

Please tell me someone isn't serious. Am I supposed to belive that a rifle is able to track a target ''300 miles away???'' That's way, ''way'', over the horizon. And 1.3 kg weight? Is it made of air? That's less than 3 pounds, or slightly heavier than an M1911 and lighter than any rifle in history. What idiot wrote the specs on this thing? Does it have a "barrel thing that goes up" as well?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 18:18, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

:"being made of micro-perforated titanum alloy" So, um, it's a gun made of metallic foam? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:04, 28 May 2012 (CDT)

::More to the point, it isn't in the film. At least, I didn't see it. Remove it from the page?--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 04:55, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

It isn't even in the movie?! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:08, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

:::I didn't see it. The only weapons I saw were the pistols, the shotgun and the flamethrower. Unless it was hidden in the background somewhere (unlikely) I'd say it's just some idiot who's posted it on here because they think it makes them cool. The image looks fake anyway. --[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 11:44, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Well, it [i]is[/i] featured on the website made to promote the movie http://www.weylandindustries.com/security (bottom right). Of course, it doesn't mean it's actually going to be in the movie. And the "500 km" part is really pushing the fiction part of sci-fi... -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 13:15, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Ghost Recon: Future Soldier

2012-05-29T15:16:05Z

Sentient6: /* Time to get some more screen caps up! Please! */

==Sorry guys==
My computer is running slowly so there is a marked delay in what I type and what page shows up. I did a boo boo because I was on the main VG page and then clicked on the discussion page and my PC took so long to click over I thought the Discussion page WAS the main page. That's what I get for trying to edit quickly when I'm multi-tasking. Apologies. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

==Fictional Weaponry==

===MR-B Assault Rifle===
The bullpup assault rifle has a built-in shotgun under the barrel, and the overall design has a faint resemblance with [[IMI Tavor TAR-21]]. It is used by Ghost Recon operatives.
[[Image:GRFS-AR-3.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Fiction Bullpup Assault Rifle, 5.56 Uranium]]
For a magnified version of the upper image:
[http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/108/1083040/ghost-recon-future-soldier-first-look-20100412054623239.jpg]
[[Image:GRFW-AR.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:GRFW-AR-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

These look a little like Magpul PDR's to me.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 16:01, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"A Fictional/Futuristic Bullpup Multi-Purpose Assault Rifle which, on my opinion, shares only few parts from other Weapons:
the most evident is the Pistol Grip, identical to that of the P90 SMG; the rear part of the Upper Receiver, which would be used as a Cheek Rest, features on the left side of the Weapon (see the first image and magnification) three "Air Intakes" which resemble those appearing on some Handguards (H&K G36, Enfield L85,...).
I believe it is well assembled, but too bulky and heavy, so less maneuverable, and this is a paradox for a Bullpup Weapon! It shouldn't include the "Disputor Shotgun", but as an Underbarrel Attachment! And what is that "Titanium Hook" for? Grappling? If so, it would be very useful, and even more if it were an Accessory, not an integrated part of the Weapon, which is actually a Weapon System.
I hope they will make some changes to the final release of both the Game (that has been postponed to 22 May for the North America and 24 May for the EU) and the Weapon..."

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Oops, I almost forgot another interesting detail: the "Hologram Sight", which perhaps in 2030 will replace the Red Dot Sight as a Standard Equipment... or just walk next to it."

--[[User:Crimsonsguns|Crimsonsguns]] 07:49, 19 May 2012 (CDT)
Looks like a Seburo MN-23 kit with even more greeblies on it

===Fictional Assault Rifle #2===
Seems to be based on the [[OTs-14 Groza]] with a AR-15 carry handle. Used by the Ultranationalists and their leader Ivan Illitch Kerenski.

==But Groza has AR-15 style carry handle? So why it's fictional? ripp

==Agreed, aside from a few attachments those are perfectly normal Grozas; which makes sense being in the hands of riot police, as it was designed as a close combat weapon, and the ultranationalists that now own the police. I support this being moved to the main page unless its confirmed it will not appear in the game but only the trailer. - Anon
[[Image:GRFW-AR2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:GRFW-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:GRFW-AR2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

These just ook like AN-91's to me. Not sure they're fictional. --[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 16:03, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

===Fictional Grenade Launcher===
It used by Russian Ultranationalist Forces to fire tear gas shells at the mob. Seems to have been inspired by the [[Brügger & Thomet GL-06]].
[[Image:GRFW-GL.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

===Backpack Rocket Launcher===
[[Image:GRFW-RL.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Nice... I want some of them; it looks like it was for an Iron Man Armor!!!!
What about "Dual-Wielding" it, on both sides of the Backpack?"

==Plot and set-up of this game?==

Is Scott Mitchell, the player character from Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, making a comeback in this game? Will there be a different version for the PC players this time too, as was the case for GRAW2? I like those kinds of "enhanced PC ports" that take full advantage of mouse and keyboard and possibly better hardware as well.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

==Not looking good so far...==
It's not the Sci-Fi..ness that gets to me, I mean it bothers me but I could get past it. They could be Jedis and I might still like this(might, but probably not), but what I can't get past is that these designs are just UGLY! DX [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]

I've been a big fan of Ghost Recon ever since I played the original back in the day (and even liked both Advanced Warfighters, despite the largely mixed reviews they got), but this one is beginning to look ''too much'' like ''Halo'' for my comfort. Fictional weapons, optic camouflage, ''backpack-mounted rocket pods''? What's next, Master Chief armored suits? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Well it's in the discussion section, so it's not too much of a problem [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Good point. Why does the "future" always involve wildly complex electronics, invisibility, and stupid-looking weapons? Maybe the developers started thinking the whole "Future warrior" project and thought it might actually work. In GRAW2, I usually go for the SCAR-L or HK416, with MP5SD secondary and the Mk46 for my support. I don't want or need super-weapons like the melting Xm8 and the doesn't-actualy-exist MR-C. I just hope there's a mission with the enemy sets of an EMP, leaving you with whatever doesn't use electricity. Seriously, optic camo is just dumb. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 13:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

:I think optic camo is the way of the future when it comes to camo. You are invisible to the enemy. Literally invisible. Don't you think that is much more advantageous than just blending in with camo colors? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Another thing - the game is set in "near future" in late 2020's or early 2030's but in my opinion presented technologies are just too modern. Optical camouflage? Miniature "box-of--chocolate-chip-cookies-sized" rocket launchers capable of taking down a MBT in one shot? Oh, come on. Those things are not even in prototype stage yet. And I strongly doubt they would be in 10-15 years. As someone said, this looks much more like HALO than hard-core military FPS. Probably the best was the first "trilogy" - original Ghost Recon + Desert Siege and Island Thunder expansion packs. Plot line was not so shitty (well yeah, we still got the ultranationalists in Russia but ethnic cleansing in Sudan or collapse of Cuban regime were in my opinion quite realistic), you did not have any super cool hi-tech stuff (like AI driven battle robots, predator-like camouflage or laser guided beer can openers) and one 7,62x39mm round from an AK was capable of killing or incapacitating you. It was Advanced Warfighter, which started this "modern technologies" trend. The game was also set in "near future" (in 2014 to be precise) but it was much more "believable". You know, RC controlled drones/recon UAVs - why not? Military uses UAVs extensively even on todays battlefields and there are plans for further development. And speaking about weapons, "Ghost" were still using HK-416s, SCARs, MP-5s, MK-46s and other good "old fashioned" weapons (ok, there were few oversights like MR-C) rather than bullpup carbines firing "uranium" 5,56 rounds. W-T-F is that? What's next - Ghost Recon going Star Wars style aka Attack of mutant Jedi Clones firing lightsabers from their rocket launchers? My point is - Modern technologies? Fine, but at least make it believable. Is there anyone else who would like to see e.g. 6,5x39 or 6,8x43 based weapons and other non-sci-fi stuff rather than railguns, lasers and plasma carbines? [Ragnar]

:Unfortunately, highly realistic FPS games like [[SWAT 4]] are at best a niche market now, and less realistic "futuristic" stuff is wildly popular thanks to the success of shooter series like Halo and Gears of War. Nobody likes getting killed in one shot in a game.

:That said, I did like GRAW2 (though not as much as SWAT 4), and I did like using the XM8 and HK416, as well as the MR-C (HK was working on getting the G11 to work until the Berlin Wall fell, and the other two would be in more general use if it weren't for bureaucratic inertia). Besides, I was thinking that modern military body armour was supposed to stop several 7.62x39mm rounds now.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 16:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:Modern combat vests with ceramic SAPI (Small Arms Protective Insert) plates and soft kevlar inserts are supposed to stop 7,62x39 or even 7,62x54R but they are more like to lower the possibility of life threatening wound/protecting you from getting killed than making you invincible Terminator-like war machine from which bullets just bounce off. Usually, when you are hit you don't rush back into combat (even if the SAPI have stopped the bullet) ... of course when the situation requires you are still able to participate in combat or fight back but it is not like in CoD games (or any other similar FPS with "self healing system") - whoa I was hit into my vest ... lets wait five seconds in cover and we're good to go. [Ragnar - 20:06, 12 May 2010]

:No, I'm not saying I prefer a quick-healing system. I'm just tired of the tendency in certain more realistic games to kill you instantly without telling you where you got shot (which would be believable in places such as through the tactical goggles, or through the face, neck, groin, etc.) when your character are wearing body armour. Many's the time I've been shot dead with one bullet in SWAT 4 by a thug with a 9x19mm pistol, without having been previously injured. Maybe a better system might be to have armour just reduce damage or inflict "consciousness damage" (take too much of that and you are knocked out rather than killed) rather than be treated as health against rounds that are stopped and don't pierce it outright, while each piece of armour is tracked for its "integrity" (or likelihood of stopping/reducing health damage from rounds). That could be more be more realistic and more fun to play with. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Depleted uranium bullets are a real thing, actually they are THROUGH the prototype phase. Its use lies not in the radioactivity, but in its density. DU is used to make both vehicle armour and armour-piercing bullets by the US military already. Optical camo, while not 100% working right now, has been making HUGE steps forward in Japan. You wear it like a raincoat and you look like a strange shadow. Still noticeable, but nearly there. If it was through prototyping RIGHT NOW, they'd probably already be using it. It's not Halo, it's just the future. It's gonna happen, look out. Anyways, the gun makes sense to me, what doesn't is the idea that the US would have changed its main assault rifle again. The M8 outperformed the SCAR and the M4 by a stunning amount in terms of reliability and ease of use, and it still wasn't adopted. If anything, they should have just standardized the MCR from the last game, made it the mainstay weapon and done some variants of it. Or, realistically, they would probably just keep flogging the mp5-m16/m4 horse. Because everyone wants to just play every war game ever made and to ever BE made with the same weapons again and again. Even in the future, when an assault rifle with possibly equal range, more stopping power and a built in breaching shotgun is invented, all taking up half the space of the M4 it is attempting to replace. Progress on the battlefield? Heaven forbid. That said, aesthetically I'm not really a fan of the grips on the gun. Too ergonomic-looking to go with the rest of the rifle's look. [Erk - 05:46, 24 May 2010]

::DU would be pointless in a smallarm because the main advantage of DU is being pyrophoric; it's self-sharpening when it impacts at extremely high velocity, and will usually spontaneously ignite once inside a vehicle. It's just added here because like nuclear bullets are awesome, man (or because they're like really evil and stuff, depending on how the plot goes). In an infantry weapon you'd be better off using tungsten carbide, or just switching back to battle rifles as standard infantry arms for the additional penetration of a fullsize rifle round. The XM8 barely outperformed the SCAR (127 stoppages versus 226, and apparently most of that was due to the STANAG magazine of the SCAR being less reliable than the XM8's proprietary one, not the rifles themselves) and from what I've heard the ridiculous numbers of stoppages from the M4 were in no small part due to deliberate use of unapproved maintenance techniques during testing (in other words, it was about as fair a test as the M14 trials). Regardless, this thing is another OICW: a fat gun trying to cram everything the company thinks a soldier needs into it (in this case seemingly even a can opener), resulting in something nobody in their right mind would carry onto the field. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:14, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

I'm not liking the look of the new assault rifle. It looks like a frankin gun. Too much thrown into one thing to be practical. The bipod is so far from the center that to use it would simply be exposing one self and a built in hook? Seriously it just looks ridiculous. Even if it were built of all polymer which it isn't it would weigh like 20 something pounds. No one would be able to handle this weapon effectively. It looks like they're only a few steps off of throwing the chainsaw bayonet on there for good measure. It all just looks too dumb for me.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

: Yep, that's the problem of most of the fictional/futuristic "cool-looking" weapons. They are not designed for functionality but for looks (also majority of game designers does not have any experience with fire arms ... [sarcasm] if you are lucky they only know that weapons do "boom"[end of sarcasm]). And again, I'm not criticizing all game designers or all fictional firearms - there are few nice (it-looks-it-might-actually-work) examples. If I were designing a fictional firearm for such "near-future" FPS I would base it at least on some current weaponry (like in CRYSIS where they took XM-8 or MP-7 and refitted them a bit) - e.g. something like FN 2000 with prolonged barrel, RIS handguard, EGLM (in my opinion better construction than bulky AG36/M320), AN/PEQ 16 style IR designator, EOTech style holographic sight with magnifier and chambered to 6,5x39 or 6,8x43 ... It would look cool but also believable/functional - far more than that uranium rounds firing peice of crap with "hook" in front of the barrel. [Ragnar - 09:46, 14 May 2010]

: My only problem is that those helmets are fucking ugly and an invitation to catching frag to the brainpan. Why couldn't they use the designs from EndWar? [[Special:Contributions/75.51.147.40|75.51.147.40]] 05:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Seriously. Those helmets are just ridiculously designed. It's not a huge aesthetic thing to have ear covers on helmets. It's almost like they're going out of their way to make things look dumb and practically retarded at the same time. This is I guess the fate that awaits all future settings games. Shame really.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

LoL those are not ear covers those are sky masks or however they're called worn under the helmet they're just white so it looks stupid but they are not ear covers.

The main weapon defiantly looks retarded IMO: Biggest fault for me is the P90-style pistol grip on a weapon that big. That grip works with a lightweight weapon like the P90, not with a fuck-off big gun like that. And a titanium hook? What the hell would you use that for? Also, am I the only one who noticed how far back the mag is? There is no room for a conventional bolt in there, as far as I can tell. It sure as hell doesn't look like it's caseless, considering the cocking handle halfway up the weapon. And oh god the holosight looks stupid, at least give it something it projects onto or into, not just magically hovering in the air. If they removed the stupid hook and grip at the front and went with a F2000-style stock, with a conventional magazine and a something that looked like a compact digital sight (think Eotech mixed with the F2000's grenade sight), I might buy its a futuristic OICW... it wouldn't look good but at least kind of plausible. As is it looks like something out of Gears of War. *edit* I just noticed the shotgun's magazine is directly under the side rails, making the rails more or less useless as you can't fit anything to them without getting in the way of the shotgun's mag.

The game has exoskeletons as a dues ex machina answer to the weight of the gear and comm'on DU bullets quick fact A gallon of milk weighs about 8 lbs. A chunk of uranium metal the size of a gallon milk jug weighs over 150 lbs! plz switch to 6.5 ammo a helpful guy

Well, I have to admit, the E3 demos of being able to fully customize the gun down to the gas tubes were rather impressive, lets hope that the weapons now act if they would correctly. However that's the only aspect of the game I'm impressed by so far tho, what the heck was up with that kinect? Sure as hell didn't look like shooting a rifle :P -Kangabox

== M249 Para ==
So am I the first one to catch it hiding in the background of the weapon selection screen or did nobody just bother to add it? ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:44, 10 July 2011 (CDT)
:In the latest kinect trailer they are calling it "LMG MK48", so I think it's an MK48 with a Para stock if that is possible. Or since there will be an option to customize the butt-stocks, maybe fixed ones will be available also. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 03:27, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::It's possible. Ghost Recon seems to have abandoned the 5.56mm SAWs in favor of the Mark 48 ever since the latter's introduction in GR2: Summit Strike. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:32, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

== Plot? ==
Has anyone heard anything about the plot? I'm wondering if perhaps these Russian ultra-nationalists have any connection to those behind the 2008 Balkan War portrayed in the original Ghost Recon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:37, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'll try to guess the plot.

::''"Oil. But then...'''Not oil!!!1''' And so there was a war and someone probably stole a nuke / quantum computer / EMP device also. Luckily a team of elite made-up special forces led by a tough former something-or-other (cop, Marine, SEAL, hairdresser, etc) with nothing to lose just manage to maneuver the situation to the point nothing is really resolved and a sequel can be blatantly set up for next year."''

:This is a calculated guess from playing other videogames. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:33, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
* :D - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:04, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yup, sounds about right from my experience, too. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:34, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"It is set in 2030, where Russia went to war; The Ghosts (a 4-man Ghost Team consisting of a Commando (Kozak), a Sniper Weapons expert (Pepper), a Reconnaissance expert (30k), and Ghost Lead) will be fighting an ultra-nationalist force that took control of Russia and are invading neighboring countries; they will visit places such as Norway, the Middle East and Asia."
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy%27s_Ghost_Recon:_Future_Soldier#cite_note-joystiq.com-2]

== F this game ==
According to E3 2011 gameplay there will be '''NO''' +1 round in the chamber nor fire-mode selection, also remaining bullets will not be lost when reloading mid-mag. :( I hope they will change it before release otherwise it won't be a real ''tactical'' shooter. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:04, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:Agreed, most shooters nowadays are plagued by COD Virus :( --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:16, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::I'm sorry, but I'm happy as long as a SCAR-L doesn't shoot in tri-burst. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:07, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I don't mind not losing bullets from mid-mag reloads (after all, it's not like reloading with retention is impossible), as long as the magical elves living in my webbing aren't consolidating my used magazines into full ones. Maybe have a display of the mags you're carrying with red / amber / green to indicate roughly how full they are (since your character, unlike you, knows how much they weigh), and perhaps the ability to cycle preference (most full or most empty). Then again, we're talking about a game with an absurd DU-shooting trouser-cannon, so realism was never really going to be on the menu. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:37, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Indicators for magazines is good. But it won't be because of knowing weight (this isn't realism-like Red Orchestra where you don't know the actual amount of bullets in magazine, there is standard ammo-in-mag counter ;) ) it will be for the sake of convenience :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:19, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Well, what I mean is rather than cluttering up the screen with ammo-in-weapon plus 7-15 other numbers, you'd have your number of bullets in the current magazine and then the colour / fill indicators for the others. To be honest, I don't think it's that realistic to have no idea at all how many bullets you have, since your ''character'' is a soldier who should know that kind of thing, and the HUD is just a way of transferring that information to the player. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:25, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::And since our characters are Ghost Recon operatives with tactical gear (including helmets), for them it ''should'' be natural 8) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:38, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::My Sci-fi story/game has aliens, wrap drive space ships, and mechs, but the weapons, equipment, and handling of said stuff is so realistic it would make most peoples heads hurt. And their not blaster type weapons. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:27, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, being convincing is in the details of how a weapon is handled rather than necessarily in the setting. Then again, my own FPS / story project isn't as scifi as yours, so there. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:49, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

==KAC Masterkey==
I think it's not a KAC Masterkey because it seems to be a semi auto shotgun.--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 18:51, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 14:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Agree with Flavio: the one in the picture looks a Semi-Auto Underbarrel Shotgun...
Anyways, since the M26 MASS has been recently issued by the US Army ([http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/02/16/army-issues-m26-mass-modular-accessory-shotgun-system/]) as the new Underbarrel Shotgun Attachment and as a new Stand-Alone Shotgun, why would the Ghosts still use the Masterkey, in 2030? They should use a new Underbarrel Shotgun, as for the MR-B Underbarrel Shotgun named "Disputor"..."

:I think the gun that this is actually based on is a fictional shortened version of the [[Benelli_M_Series_Super_90_Shotguns#Benelli_M4|Benelli M4]]. The cap on the end of the magazine tube is quite distinctive, shape of the receiver is the same, and the grip design is similar albeit slightly shortened. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:35, 21 February 2012 (CST)
::I agree with the previous comments. I'm not sure if it's an M4, but it does look like a semi-automatic and it certainly isn't a Masterkey. [[User:Krakydak|Krakydak]] 10:32, 25 February 2012 (CST)

== AK-12 ==

This is definitely not an AK-12, as that has a totally different shaped upper receiver and a different safety. It looks kind of like what was being reported as the early AK-200 prototype, but that was just a railed AK-74M. This looks more like an AKM with a AK-74 muzzle brake and Tapco folding stock and new furniture. Also, seeing as this final version of the AK-12 was only unveiled a couple of days ago, it seems very unlikely that is what this gun is based on. Also, that isn't one of the new 60 round magazines, it is a Tapco magazine that has been bulged out to look like a 60. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:51, 29 January 2012 (CST)
:I don't wish to disrespectfully argue with a more experienced member of the site, but I think the in-game render of the gun 99percently resembles the [http://www.gunblog.com/wp-content/gallery/ak-200-rifle/tmp_dropzone_6f_6748799800_.jpg AK-200]. I noted in the text that it is not the AK-12 but the 200, its prototype version. Maybe it would be wise to add an AK-200 section to the AK-12 page, and put this there. And then note how the final AK-12 looks like for future references. What do you say? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 06:28, 29 January 2012 (CST)
::Granted it does look more like what was touted as the prototype AK-200 than the AK-12, but looking at the gas block and the front sight block, these are both [[AKM]] type rather than [[AK-74]] type, which is what the AK-200 uses. [http://cdn1.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tmp_dropzone_6f_6748799800_tfb-tfb.jpg This] is a picture of what is supposedly the AK-200 prototype, which I believe is just either a AK-74M, AK-101 or AK-103 depending on caliber, fitted with a railed handguard and a railed top cover that is hinged and secured with a side mounted lever rather than the button on the rear. This gun might actually have this last point but can't be sure from this screenshot, but as it has the wrong stock,magazine, gas block and front sight, at best this is an AKM/AK-200 hybrid. I imagine the reason for this is that there are not many photos of the AK-200 and they wouldn't have been able to get their hands on one, so they had to base the majority of the modelling on something else. Either way, ID'ing it as an AK-12 and using an AK-12 photo is inaccurate as, if anything, it is an AK-200. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:54, 29 January 2012 (CST)
:::True. We could use a good pic of the 200 though. Anyways I will add an AK-200 section to the AK-12 page and move it there, ok? (And let's not forget that this is a video game, every small detail on a gun cannot be correct, right? Just scroll through the [[Soldier of Fortune: Payback]] page, and you will see what I am talking about. XD) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:05, 29 January 2012 (CST)
::::Normally I'd think that if there are details wrong that mean it is actually based on another gun then it should be listed as the gun it actually is. However, I'd imagine that in this case they were genuinely trying to make an AK-200, and got tripped up on a couple of minor details due to the fact that there isn't much good reference material for it, so suppose it is fine leaving it as AK-200 for now. If it turns out with better screenshots that the the top cover of this gun is the same as on a traditional gun and it doesn't have the thumb safety on the left side, then it should be changed, as in that case there will be nothing that matches the AK-200. As for the picture, you could put in the AK-103, as that is close to being the same gun as the 7.62x39mm AK-200 (which I'm assuming this is from the magazine curve), just without the rails and new top cover. I wonder if the devs are pissed off that they put in a gun that was being touted by Russia as their future AK, and then when the gun is already made not only do they change the name of it, but it looks totally different to the earlier rifles. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:49, 29 January 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"As TheFirearmBlog.com reported only few days ago [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/02/16/izhmash-5th-gen-ak-12-photos-and-video/], the AK-200 has been improved and renamed as the AK-12 [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/01/26/kalashnikov-ak-12-unveiled/], being released during this year as the 5th Generation of the original Avtomat Kalashnikova, and in Multiple Calibers. But it doesn't mean that the Ubisoft Team is forced to change thier "AK-200" to the actual "AK-12", as it looks they customized it well, with those Tapco Folding Stock and Fictional "Tapco 60-Round Quad Magazine" (Tapco Industries could think about it...)."

==Optic Choices==
Screencaps show an Aimpoint Micro, an EOTech XPS with magnifier, and an ACOG variant with a red dot on top. The ACOG and EOTech combo have me most intrigued and wondering if we'll be able to switch between magnification for distance shooting and the red dot for CQB as needed. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:24, 25 February 2012 (CST)

:Maybe will be possible for Single Player and absent from Multiplayer for balancing reasons. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:30, 26 February 2012 (CST)

::"Balancing" as in, "Let's remove cool features in an effort to prevent people from bitching even though we all know such effort will be utterly pointless"? Yeah, that's the norm these days. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:19, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Let's see: an Aimpoint Micro T1; an EOTech XPS with 3/4/5/7X Magnifier; a Trijicon ACOG 6X TA648RMR (which includes a Trijicon RMR on the top rail); a Russian Scope, similar to the NPZ Optics PSO-1.
I believe that Hybrid Sights will work as for those seen in Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3... ."
:Well, what one person ''believes'' will happen and what actually ''does'' happen are two different stories. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:02, 26 February 2012 (CST)

== Goblin = M6A2 PSD? ==

Anyone think it might be this weapon?
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:LWRC_psd_RifleA.jpg

Popularised by Future Weapons et al which is where games have sourced their weapon selections before.

:No, it has different vent holes and looks like it is modeled with an ambidextrous selector. (Plus LWRCi guns have unique selector pictographs, I doubt the in-game rifle has those.) It is probably better to call it a custom AR-15 variant. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 05:54, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== Pistols? ==

WHERE ARE THE PISTOLS?I EXPECT PISTOLS?no spec-ops commando action game is good without pistols.
i was looking at some of the gameplay videos and when the Ghosts have two primary weapons then their leg holsters are empty but in the multiplayer sneak peek[UK],when the guy is presenting the multiplayer factions,in the secondary slot a pistol named HG 45T is shown.But this is a Work-In-Progress vid
:There were no clear images or videos of pistols so far. I saw the "45T" too, which is likely referring to the HK45 with a threaded barrel. There was also an MK23-style pistol in one of the gameplay videos but it was not clear enough to make a positive ID. The main thing is there WILL be pistols in the game that is 100 percent. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 17:56, 16 March 2012 (CDT)

:I saw a single player story trailer and it shows Kozak with a pistol while he's covering a hostage.It might be a MK23,or a USP.I think it looks sort of like a M1911 variant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEelVBr7_bE&feature=g-vrec&context=G27d85efRVAAAAAAAACA--[[User:Bravo6|Bravo6]] 01:26, 19 March 2012 (CDT)

:I edited the pistols page.The HK45T definitely appears as the 45T.I saw it in the new Guerilla Mode trailer/Preview--[[User:Bravo6|Bravo6]] 13:36, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

::Is the assumption of the HK45 just based on the icon and name, because the icon definitnely looks like an FNP-45 to me and they could have just taken the 45 out of FNP-45 and slapped on a T to signify the threaded barrel. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 19:54, 10 April 2012 (CDT)

== Pre-Order Bonus Guns ==
GameStop is advertising a Mark 14 Mod 0 EBR and an "AK-47" that looks pretty much exactly like the AK-200 already listed on the page (likely the same weapon) as pre-order bonuses [http://www.gamestop.com/collection/ghost-recon-future-soldier]. Additionally, an IGN advertisement for a bonus MP map showed a Ghost with what looks like an HK416 (not a 417, it had a 5.56-shaped mag) in his hands. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:36, 10 April 2012 (CDT)

:Oh, the weapon is correctly called as 'MK 14' (unlike [[Ghost Recon Online#Mk 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle|GRO]]). That's a rarity nowadays. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:10, 12 April 2012 (CDT)

::I'm thinking that the designation confusion comes from developers mixing up the M14EBR-RI (a standard semi-auto M14 with an EBR stock) issued to US Army infantry squads with the Mark 14 used by SOF. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:29, 12 April 2012 (CDT)

:::Is there a visual way to differentiate between M14 EBR and M39 EMR? Because I suspect 'M14 EBR' in [[Battlefield Play4Free#M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle|BFP4F]] might actually be one... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:09, 12 April 2012 (CDT)
::::I think the BFP4F rifle is an M39, the pistol grip matches as opposed to on the TACOM M14 EBR-RI which has a more contoured finger grooved grip. Another difference is the scope mount, which doesn't apply as the only image on the BFP4F page has it removed. The M39 uses a mount which clamps onto the left side of the M14 receiver, whilst the M14 EBR-RI uses a cantilever mount which is attached to the rear portion of the rail system. Below is a pic of the EBR-RI. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:46, 12 April 2012 (CDT)
::::[[File:M14 EBR-RI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|TACOM M14 EBR-RI - 7.52x51mm]]

:::::Ah, that confirms it. The proper M14 EBR hasn't appeared in any commercial media as of yet. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:21, 13 April 2012 (CDT)
:::Spartan198, the Mk. 14 EBR is actually select fire, not semi-auto. Just saying. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 07:02, 18 April 2012 (PST)
::::Yeah, I know that. Have for as long as I can remember and didn't say otherwise anywhere on this talk page. Like I said, the M14EBR/Mark 14 designation confusion probably stems developers confusing the semi-auto M14EBR-RI used by regular infantry squads with the Mark 14 used by SOF. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:30, 25 May 2012 (CDT)
:Spartan198, can you add the link of that video with the possible HK416? I cannot find it anywhere. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 05:05, 13 April 2012 (CDT)
::It's not a video, it was a screenshot in an advertisement for the game in this month's issue of IGN magazine. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:57, 13 April 2012 (CDT)

== HK 45T really is the FN FNP-45T actually ==

[[Image:FNP-45.jpg|500px]]

Notice the trigger guard.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:24, 12 April 2012 (CDT)

and the grip is more slanted than the HK 45--[[User:BravoKilo|BravoKilo]] 01:35, 13 April 2012 (CDT)

- Good work.

== SR-25 ==
It's not a hybrid, the rifle featured in-game is a little-known variant known as the '''Mark 11 Mod 1'', basically a Mod 0 lower coupled with an M110-style upper. It was a stop-gag variant used by the US Marines while they were evaluating the Mark 11 system and prior to their signing on with the Army for the M110. [http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/usmcs-new-sniping-sureshot-mk-11-mod-1-srs/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:31, 16 April 2012 (CDT)

Never mind, scratch that. A brief bit more of searching (and... ahem... ''clearly reading the description'' this time) tells me that the length adjustable buttstock was added ''after'' the X was taken out of the designation, so this rifle technically would be an ''XM110'' rather than an M110 or other SR-25 variant. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:39, 16 April 2012 (CDT)

== Ak of some sort? ==

What gun is this that the guard is holding, it looks like some sort of AK carbine. [http://www.oxmonline.com/files/u11/mill-005.jpg]--[[User:Commandoninja137|Commandoninja137]] 16:42, 18 April 2012 (CDT)

:Looks like some kind of [[AKMSU]] style gun with a RIS handguard and a railed top cover. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:07, 18 April 2012 (CDT)
[[File:AKPDW01.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AKMSU - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:GRFS AKMS promo.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

== Less weapons then GRAW 2 ==

Seems to be alot less weapons. I know some will be pre-order bonusses but I hope more will come from clearing campaign, guerilla mode or DLC.
Also where's my ICQB ! On a lighter note the weapon customization is great. - Joey1666
:Remember that the 3 Russian PDRs and shotguns are still unknown. Not to mention the handguns and launchers. (I saw a standalone GL in a video, but I cannot find it anymore.) Devs said there will be 50+ weapons in MP, plus some others in SP or CO-OP (like the SA58 OSW). --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:03, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

::I checked the ghost recon network. Theres plenty more weapons, and the SA58 is a russian engineer weapon in the beta. The GRN has all 57 weapons on it :D - Joey1666

hey joey i'm trying to access the ghost recon network but every time i go to the official site the network page is just an ad for the game. where did you go to find the network-gabchang

http://ghostreconnetwork.ubi.com/ Try this then click log in. - Joey1666

thanks alot joey - Gabchang

== "Wild Boar" revolover ==
Seems to be a Chiappa Rhino revolver.--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 18:51, 20 April 2012 (CDT)
:Thanks.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 19:41, 20 April 2012 (CDT)

== Saiga 12/20 ==

As the icon shows the magazine to be almost twice the length of the pistol grip wouldn't that make it a 20 gauge instead of the 12 gauge model?[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 08:54, 21 April 2012 (CDT)
:Could be a fictional hi-capacity magazine or just a modeling mistake. We will know the exact variant when a higher quality image will be released, as the Saiga-20 and Saiga-12 have different magazine release paddles. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:06, 21 April 2012 (CDT)
Can you give me a link for a picture, as it isn't the magazine length that will determine whether it is 12 or 20 gauge, but the gap between the trigger guard and the magazine which should be visible even with a low quality silhouette image. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:33, 21 April 2012 (CDT)

Good luck with the image ;)
[[Image:GRFS-SAIGA-whatever.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:26, 21 April 2012 (CDT)

Wow, that is small. However, I would agree that that is a 20 gauge, as it doesn't have the gap between the trigger guard and the magazine. It also seems to be missing a chunk of the barrel between the handgaurd and the muzzle, but c'est la vie. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:57, 21 April 2012 (CDT)

I found videos of all the weapons. Seems that it is a 12K, although even the ingame model doesn't seem to have that gap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUe3VIgccDo&t=5m13s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44MCxMrUrcE
You can get good pics of most of the guns from there. There's also a second stand-alone grenade launcher.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 18:17, 21 April 2012 (CDT)

:Added just when you were typing :) The mag release paddle clearly shows that it is the 12 Gauge variant.
::I would call it a 12, but the magazine is set too far back. However, the 12 uses a Type 1 AK-47 type receiver with three rivets along the bottom edge (as seen here) as opposed to the 20 which has an RPK type receiver. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:16, 21 April 2012 (CDT)
:Unrelated to this: I cannot figure out which M60 is this:
[[Image:GRFS-M60.jpg|thumb|none|601px|.]]
M60E3? --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 18:20, 21 April 2012 (CDT)
::Barrel means it's E3 or later. Rails everywhere means it's the MK43.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 18:36, 21 April 2012 (CDT)
They clearly haven't understood how the KARD works, what with attaching an accessory rail onto the underside of the moving recoil compensator. Or maybe they have, and whatever accessory you have under there will flick down to point at the ground with every shot and not return to the proper zero... --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:35, 22 April 2012 (CDT)

== "X26 Taser" ==

It's quite clearly not an X26 Taser from the screen shot posted but rather the X3 'Triple Shot' Taser. YEPPOON

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Taser_x3.jpg

http://media.southwestwakenews.com/smedia/2011/11/28/17/49/1lrL5L.St.157.jpg

== Unknown UBGL ==

Used by Team Bodark
[[Image:GRFS-UBGL.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Weapon selection view.]]
Thoughts? M203 with different muzzle? [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 13:22, 22 April 2012 (CDT)
:NEVERMIND, found it !! [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 13:58, 22 April 2012 (CDT)

They might of used the M203 as a model, but the breach/barrel twist to load, not slide forward like the real one. - Wantabe_Warrior38

It could of been inspired by the HK320 and it's side folding barrel. Either way this is a mystery of how much beer made it- LaFarge

== "Goblin" Possible ID ==

I've done a little digging, and I think I've got a pretty solid ID on the identity of the mystery short-barreled AR variant, dubbed the "Goblin".

Noting the atypical levers and overall styling of the weapon, I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts it's a Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF) PDW.

Whoever else has the beta and can get another close look at the right side of the receiver would help confirm this. Compare it specifically with the second-to-top photo from this link: http://www.pof-usa.com/pdw/pdw.htm

Looks like the only major deviations from the real-world inspiration is the game's addition of a VLTOR ModStock, side Picatinny rail covers, and a new muzzle break, and the removal of the HK-style pictogram firemode indicators.

Thoughts, anyone?

--[[User:FiveOne|FiveOne]] 21:47, 24 April 2012 (CDT)

:I have to agree with you, even the trigger guard shape matches up and the pictures on the bottom of that link you gave have the same vent holes on the RIS hanguard. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 22:00, 24 April 2012 (CDT)

== Non-firearm equipment and gear factiods ==
I know this isn't info about the guns, but might still be neat to know. As I was looking at the MP Ghost riflemen, I notice 1) his front mag pouches are HSGI TACO mag pouches, and 2) the eye-pro for the FAST Opt B and IWH 2014 helmets are Oakley Gascans. Also the "forward grip" looks to be a Magpul RVG. The "Angled Grip" is a Magpul's AFG v.1. The Ghost's "Red Dot" is an Aimpoint Micro T1 (but I can't ID the mount right now), and the optics on both the Ghost's and Bodark's pistols are Trijicon RMR reflex sights. does it seem odd to anybody else that the Bodark's "Magnified HWS" sight is eerily similiar to an american Trijicon Reflex sight (likely based on the RX01NSN model)? - Wantabe_Warrior38

A lot of the recent screenshots I've seen in various gaming magazines also shows the Ghosts wearing custom color variants of the Oakley SI glove, right down to the logo on the wrist. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 14:38, 13 May 2012 (CDT)

Right! I forgot about that. I keep seeing them on the title screen of the MP beta. By the way, is the beta over? every time I try playing it it says the server is unavailable. - Wantabe_Warrior38

== AK-47 or AK variant ==

I found a few pictures of the AK-47, it seems to look like the one in MW2 if its an AK-47 at and not another AK variation. [[Media:http://playstationpure.be/ftp/Marc/GRFS/1.jpg]] [[File:http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQA0a8hV2wmA8lH0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2F8ic_gdFDsZI%2Fhqdefault.jpg]]--[[User:Commandoninja137|Commandoninja137]] 20:49, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Actually nevermind it won't upload.--[[User:Commandoninja137|Commandoninja137]] 20:59, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

== Is this the final weapon list. ==

Is this the final weapon list or is this the ones you guys caught in the trailer?
:Yes, this is. There will be other guns like vehicle mounted or turrets, but these are the usable weapons. -[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 02:42, 13 May 2012 (CDT)

I guess their adding more in DLCs. The Artic Strike DLC is supposed to feature 6 new guns.
Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/11/ghost-recon-future-soldiers-arctic-strike-dlc-due-in-july/

== Ghost Recon Alpha - Official Short Movie ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7-wAzlqzXH0#! Ghost Recon Alpha - Official HD Film]

Has anyone seen this? It's basically a more elaborate version of the live action trailer that we originally saw in 2010. I think it can have its own page, since there is a separate IMDB for it: [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2386231/ Ghost Recon Alpha] --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 12:27, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

Pretty cool, and I really wish it had been longer. I'd heard a while back from a friend of mine close to somebody at Red Storm that the short film had been canned. Glad it turned out otherwise. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:33, 25 May 2012 (CDT)

== Where are these weapons? ==

I bought Ghost Recon Future Soldier and I was wondering where are the Brügger & Thomet MP9,QCQ-05,CZ 805 BREN,FN F2000 Tactical, and FN SCAR-H at?

They 're gonna give them with DLC content, probably Arctic Strike or maybe another gun pack(?) like GRAW 2. -CaptainSmoker

:These guns were listed on http://ghostreconnetwork.ubi.com/ among the other guns, that is why we added them. Anyways, they are gone now. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 03:05, 25 May 2012 (CDT)
::Probably wasn't the best idea to delete them. They're coming as DLC. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 03:19, 25 May 2012 (CDT)
:::Is it confirmed which guns will be in that DLC? I cannot find it. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 03:36, 25 May 2012 (CDT)

:Deleting CZ805 really doesnt sound logical. Its grenade launcher is in game after all. Or they might have just think that it looks too much like SCAR. But on the other hand, why deleting FN F2000? --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 09:51, 29 May 2012 (CDT)

==Time to get some more screen caps up! Please!==
Okay, so the game's been out for what feels like almost a week (north america, it's currently may 26) and all the screen caps are pre-release stuff. I'm still waiting to get my copy of the game, but to ease my waiting I was hoping to see some pictures from the full release game. Please help me out here guys! - Wantabe_Warrior38
:PC version isn't out yet. Much easier to get screen caps on the PC version. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 10:16, 29 May 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Red Dawn (1984)

2012-04-23T11:11:03Z

Sentient6:

==Morris's Market Section==

Hi, after rediscovering this old gem of Swayze's (rest in peace, old sport), I thought the Morris's Market section could be expanded just a tad. While the lighting is indeed too dark to make out the guns on the rack in Morris's Market, the actor playing Robert Morris's father does in fact talk about the calibers of the guns he's handing out. I can just make out something along the lines of ".30-08, .38 Special, get that 12-Gauge!" and there is also a nice shot when one of the actors is stuffing box after box of ammunition into a bigger cardboard box. I don't have the DVD right now, but that particular shot would make for a nice screenshot to add to this entry--are those ammunition boxes from real-life companies in business at the time the movie was made? The only company name I can recognize is "Remington," though the boxes do in fact display their calibers, such as .22 LR, .38 Special, and a few are also marked .308 as well.

Also, Robert's father hands the group two shotguns just before they leave the shop--which of those ends up being Robert Morris's primary weapon through the rest of the film? I'd appreciate it if anyone could come up with the necessary screenshots and appropriate additions to this old classic's page. Can't wait to see if they pull the same "They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers" joke in the remake of this film. Great work setting up and maintaining this wiki, guys!

I was going to mention the fact of Mr. Morris (Roy Jensen) mentioning calibers during the Morris Market scenes. He does call out ".38 Special, .308" as he's pushing boxes across the counter, when he tells the boys not load up on "cookies, candy and crap", just dry and canned goods, so I'm presuming that .308 Winchester is the caliber of Jed's Savage 110. Matt is seen opening the cylinder of a DA revolver he carries in the scenes just before the raid on the train station at the end of the movie, and then closing the cylinder (and, impressively, he closes the cylinder with his hand rather than the "dramatic" flicking it closed that is hard on the lockwork and returns the revolver to his holster). Presumably this then is a .38 Special caliber revolver, or a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special.

==Nice Work==
Great revamp MPM, the page looks much more completed now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Protected from anonymous edits==
I protected it from the same anonymous user who keeps making changes when I'm in the middle of a revamp, and his edits are a bit clumsy (like not bothering to realign images of guns from RIGHT to NONE, and sometimes putting the WRONG image in the gun section). Also there is a method to my madness, I am gearing up to put shots of Red Dawn mockup guns in place, so I don't want anonymous users endless making changes that I'm going to have to get rid of during the next revamp of the page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are done with your revamp could you please unprotect the page so I can add more pictures,please. [[BOB]]
:You are a new user, you have no track record, we have no idea what you are going to put on this page, and it has been protected because of inane edits by anonymous and new users. If possible, can you propose what changes you want on the talk page? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I have some pictures for the AKM and AKS-74.[[User:AK-74Fan]]
:And you missed a gun, MPM. One Cuban army officer uses an Makarov PM in the last battle. The one who gets hit by the RPG backblast.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't think that was a Makarov. If I remember it looked closer to a PPK or SIG P230. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I've got a picture of that, along with 13 or 14 others I could add if the page were unprotected.[[User:AK-74Fan]] 11, October 2009 11:09 AM
::That is why the page is protected. To keep people from adding too many images against the wishes of the people who spent a great deal of time and effort to create the page. You may have seen pages with tons and tons of screencaps. Those are not mine and I have in the past argued strongly against it. But other people took the time to create those pages, so I won't edit them for the sake of length. IMFDB is starting to look like many states' legislative codes, everything is added and nothing is deleted. to the OP, build some awesome looking pages and I'll consider it. But we can no longer be so lenient on everyone, especially since so many new members do crap screencaps, or lame pages, or wrong info or just have no sense when it comes to making a decent looking page. Sorry that the sins of others affect everyone, but you will understand. On the pistol, Thanks for the heads up Oliviera. I will check it out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

==Funny==
Odd isn't it, Modern Warfare 2 also features Russian paratroopers taking over American cities. so I guess Red Dawn has finally made a name for itself, spawning a large plot point for one of the finest video games of all time. nice work Swayze. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
:You mean Call of Grenades: Action Movie Warfare 2? Yeah, that's a whole sale ripoff, dude. Did you not notice the "WOLVERINES" tag at the beginning of the level or something? Fun drinking game, take a drink every time they rip off a movie, reference Generation Kill, or say OSCAR MIKE, two drinks if it's an inappropriate use.-protoAuthor 03:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::This is a TRULY great post... lol. Seems like every time I play MW2 or CoD4 I see another segment where they've ripped off Black Hawk Down, Generation Kill, or something similar. It's really tiresome after a while; there's plenty of original content to be had with this genre, why don't they just leave the war movies alone? Bah. [[Special:Contributions/70.197.109.68|70.197.109.68]] 05:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::Ahem, you're assuming the players are OLD enough to drink. We don't want to encourage underage drinking. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Dude, you would be dead from alchohol poisoning 20 minutes into the game-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::If people took a drink with all that, there would be a shit load of dead twelve year olds all across the world. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
I'm more inclined to think of the "Wolverines!" level as an homage rather than a rip off, because aside from the parachuting Russians falling on suburban America, it had little if anything at all else in common with the events of Red Dawn (can any of the locales in Red Dawn even be called "suburban"?). Now, if you were playing as high-school students with AKs and your objective was to flee into the mountains, then yes, I'd consider it a rip off. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I am also an editor on serveral video game wikias and i just can't stand when some asshole fucks up every weapons page on the site because they think they know what guns just because they play this stupid game. every time a bomb goes off in this game, American youth gets more assholish. Damn you Modern Warfare 2! - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remake==
I am quite curious what the weapons load out will be for the remake they are shooting right now especially given the fact that eastern bloc weapons are now more readily available (including armour) than they were in the 1980's. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Go to the forum, we got a whole thread about it. And it's the Chinese instead of the Russians and they are using AK-101s or something like that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, some of the pictures at the forum do show pics of soldiers with Russian Federation shoulder patches. I still wish they could have he Chinese using [[Norinco QB rifle series|Norinco QB]]-series weapons instead of inaccurate [[AK-47|Kalashnikov]]-series weapons. As far as armor, I don't see why they couldn't mock up a T72 to resemble the Chinese Type 99 or Russian T90 since they're both based on the T72 platform. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually when I mentioned armour I referred to the fact that all the "Soviet" armour in the original were mockups built on old M48 Patton tank chasis (I believe). I remember a story I read that the replica T72 in the original was so authentic that some CIA agents allegedly questioned the movie makers as to where it came from.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, the CIA guys were questioning the crew about the gunships from the canyon scene. Anyway, http://www.reddawn2010.com/ is an unofficial fansite devoted to the remake. It's got lots of videos and pics of the production so far and they update at least once a week; there's plenty of opportunity to snuff out the equipment there.--[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 12:29, 2 December 2009

::Who's making the remake and where? I ask because that M1 Abrams doesn't look like an Abrams to me. 6 roadwheels, not 7, and the front of the hull...looks like an old british army cheiftain to me (which are readily avaliable since they were removed from active and then reserve service in '98 and '96 respectivily)

:Sorry to nitpick here but if you look at this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn it mentions the T-72 specifically. No mention of the Hinds. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

A remake? Remakes should never be done of classic movies (The Getaway, War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, Red River, The Alamo, King Kong just for starters) and Red Dawn is a classic. Looking at that website, I'm guessing this remake is going to suck. The Chinese invade Michigan huh? Well, filming in Detroit shouldn't even require building any sets, most of it looks like a war zone anyway.

==Aardvark==
As far as I recall Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon is addressed by name one other time in the movie. When they boys are escaping town on the way to Morris' Market they pass by Aardvark's wounded father who frantically yells "Arturo" as his son speeds away to safety. After that his name is not mentioned again until his death on the T-72. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
::His father (played by Pepe Serna of [[The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension ]] and [[Silverado]] fame, yells the name and the audience has to figure out that it's Aardvark who is yelling "papa!" from the back of the truck. it's not clear from the FILM that Arturo and Aardvark are the same character. We only know it here, because it's listed here (and on Partisan Rock) which is seen only fleetingly. I saw it in the movie theatre three times. It still wasn't clear then. Then Lea Thompson yells "Aardvark!" when he dies. Again, confusing the audience, since this is the first time he is referred to by that name. Overall it was poor filmmaking/editing to make a major character so confusing. Also Darryl was another character whose identity had to be parsed by the audience over multiple viewings. And I was always getting Darryl confused with Danny (Brad Savage). The filmmakers had a bunch of young (and then pretty much unknown actors) all of whom were brunettes (with the possible exception of Jennifer Grey) and (with the exception of Matt and Jed) were poorly introduced to the audience. We didn't know WHO the hell these kids were by the end of the film, other than cannon fodder for Russian bullets. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

ZOMFG, I just realized that they have pretty much omitted Aardvark from the remake. No one has been announced as 'cast' for the role. LOL his character was totally unnecessary, kinda like Darryl.
:I wouldn't say that Darryl was unnecessary. He and his father represented collaborators, or at least people who are willing to put in the least effort to maintain some semblance of the status quo. His execution demonstrated how Jed and Robert had been hardened by the conflict and now saw the world in black and white. (The original script was more Lord of the Flies-esque.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Nicaraguan Captain? ==
Are we sure the Captain is Nicaraguan? He seemed to work with the Officer that let's Matt and Jed live at the end. I thought he and the captain were Cuban.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:'''You know, if you CHECKED the credits you would have answered your own question'''. That's what the actors's character is called in the final credit roll. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
*Excuse me, MPM. When I first saw the film on it's initial release my Peruvian friend said that Ron O'Neal had a very convincing Cuban accent and all things I've read written on the film mention his character was Cuban. Is it possible that in pre-production (hence the credits) the character was Nicaraugan but when Mr O'Neal took the role he transformed the role with Mr Milus' permission to a Cuban? To me one of the film's great strengths are his and former Russian linguist William Smith's professional and sympathetic performances in the enemy roles that give the film a lot more depth.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 22:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
::You're excused [[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ;) But I was talking about Judd Omen's character, not Ron O'Neal's. Judd Omen played The Nicaraguan Captain. ''' Ron O'Neal played a COLONEL, not a CAPTAIN, so it's obvious we were NOT talking about HIM.''' Ron O'Neil played Colonel Ernesto Bella who was indeed CUBAN. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:32, 23 April 2012 (CDT)

== A possible edition to the section on the T-72's ==

I was reading the Wikipedia article on the movie and apparently(according to a Soldier of Fortune Magazine article about the film) the mock up T-72's were so realistic that when someone saw them being taken from the company that made them to the studio during pre production the CIA sent agents to the studio to find out were they came from. That is an interesting tidbit that I think would be important enough to mention in the article. But I don't want to do it without permission or without a consensus of the people who have worked on this page.

:During the snow scene, there was a M1 Abrams engaging the two T-72s (and kept on missing the target until Col. Tanner marked the last tank with a smoke grenade). I doubt they would have access to a real Abram so this is obviously a mock up too. Any information on this vehicle?--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:21, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

== Spetsnaz or VDV? ==

From what I've read on Cold War era Spetsnaz, they were a very secretive branch that took great care to remain anonymous, such as wearing the uniforms of other branches (such as the VDV) in the field. In light of this, are Colonel Strelnikov's soldiers supposed to be Spetsnaz in VDV uniforms or real VDV? If the former, I can't see them announcing their presence like they did in the movie; on the other hand, Millius probably didn't have all that much info on them when the movie was made.
::They were technically just dressed as Soviet Airborne infantry. Though Everyone KNEW what Spetnaz was after the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:::In addition, and if I remember correctly, Spetsnaz teams were part of "normal" Soviet era Airborne/SF units and were detached on an as needed basis. That way, in a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, way (a la the Combat Applications Group or DEVGRU) these otherwise "normal" troopers can carry on everyday duties without drawing any undue attention. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
This is an 80's American Movie about Commies invading America. Since we didn't ask Ivan for some props or used uniforms, we just made what we thought Americans would think is a Soviet uniform of that era. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

:Milius did A LOT of research for this film. As I recall, at no time does Strelnikov's unit describe itself as Spetnaz. They wear the SAME uniform as the airborne troops as not to call attention to themselves. That is correct. I actually have uniforms from the production and I was thinking about posting detailed images of how the 'made up uniforms' differed from the real thing (which became available AFTER 1990). The film was released in 1984 but filming was in 1983. The DOD was really secretive about how much info they had on the Soviet Union. Anyway, I don't know if costume commentary is germane to the page so I left it out. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I know I'd be interested in the uniforms info MPM. It'd be great if you could take the time to post it here in the talk page so those interested could look at it. Random trivia like that is cool stuff.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Spetsnaz GRU has been and remains part of the airborne troops (but reports directly to the General Staff). Spetsnaz GRU, in most cases, there is a uniform of the airborne troops (blue beret). But there were exceptions.
My friend, who served in the GRU special forces in East Germany in the mid-1980's, most of the troops wore uniforms of chemical protection troops. It was for reasons of secrecy. [[User:Slow Rider|Slow Rider]] 08:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== Reference image ==

This is an M8A1 Cargo Tractor.

[[Image:Us cargo carrier m8e2-003.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

This was the chassis used for the fake T-72 and ZSU. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:01, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

::Well I suppose that the guys at Veluzat don't know their vehicles now do they? In the DVD features, the guys explicitly state that they cut up an '''M48''' for the vehicles, but your image proves that the upper bogey wheels (4) match the RD vehicles better than the M48 (which has 5). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:36, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

:I wonder if the Abram that briefly showed up during the snow battle with the T-72 is based on the same chassis.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 01:57, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::From what I can gather, yes it is. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:58, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

==Spoilers==

I took the liberty to remove some spoilers that had nothing to do with the actual guns. Hope that's OK. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 06:11, 23 April 2012 (CDT)

Red Dawn (1984)

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[[Image:RedDawnMoviePoster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Red Dawn'' (1984)]]

''Red Dawn'' is a 1984 action war film that dramatizes the possibility of a Soviet invasion of the continental United States. Directed by [[John Milius]], the film stars [[Patrick Swayze]], [[Charlie Sheen]], [[Lea Thompson]], and [[Jennifer Grey]] as a group of mostly teenagers who become resistance fighters against the occupying force. The film is notable for the amount of effort put into accurately depicting modern Soviet armor and weaponry particularly during the time of the Cold War. A [[Red Dawn (2012)|remake]] of the film is scheduled for release in the near future.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Red Dawn'' (1984):'''

'''WARNING! SPOILERS AHEAD!'''

=Handguns=

==Colt Single Action Army==
A Colt [[Single Action Army]] revolver with ivory grips was used by Jed. The revolver used was a personal piece owned by director John Milius.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army "Artillery" model with 5.5" barrel - .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:RedDawnSAAIvory01a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Matt Eckert hands over the Single Action Army to Jed Eckert]]
[[Image:RedDawnSAAkillA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed Eckert prepares to shoot Yuri (Sam Slovick) near the sign for the Arapaho National Park, with his Single Action Army]]
[[Image:RedDawnSAAWinterShootA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|''"Because we LIVE HERE!!!!!!"'']]
[[Image:RedDawnSAASnowNightA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''"You lose."'' Jed Eckert announces his presence to Colonel Strelnikov, instead of just shooting him.]]

==Walther PP Pistol==
The Nicaraguan Captain ([[Judd Omen]]) holds a [[Walther PP Pistol Series|Walther PP Pistol]] as he hunts for Jed and Matt. It is meant to be a PM Makarov, but that is explained below.
[[Image:Walther-PP-Post-War.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Post war Walther PP Pistol - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawn-Walther-PP2a.jpg ‎|thumb|none|500px|The Nicaraguan Captain ([[Judd Omen]]) holds a Walther PP Pistol as he hunts for Jed and Matt - .32 ACP. He would later be blinded by Matt's RPG back blast. The Walther PP was standing in for the Makarov, which was unavailable at the time of filming.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] (denote by its tapered barrel) with Pachmayr grips is the 'survival pistol' belonging to USAF Colonel Andrew Tanner ([[Powers Boothe]]) but it is taken away from him by Erica. Interestingly enough, the Model 15 was the issued revolver to USAF Security Police from 1962-1985 so it is feasible for a USAF Colonel to wield one. Combat pilots were given a wide latitude of the personal sidearm they could carry, with many opting for small revolvers, like the Airweight, or traditional semiauto pistols like the M1911.
[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 .38 Special]]
[[Image:RedDawnS&WMod19A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|U.S.A.F. Colonel Andrew Tanner sleeps with his Smith & Wesson Model 15 with combat grips at his side]]
[[Image:RedDawnS&WMod19 02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Tanner's Model 15 is confiscated by Erica]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGD-33a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Later, during the liberation raid on the re-education camp, Col. Tanner again has the Smith & Wesson Model 15 in a shoulder holster.]]

==M1911A1==
An [[M1911A1]] pistol is first seen in the "cold dead hands" of an American who resisted the Soviet invasion. The pistol is pulled from the hand of the man and inspected by a Soviet Paratrooper who stuffs it behind his webbing belt. The M1911A1 seen in this scene is a commercial blued version. A parkerized M1911A1 is also used by Colonel Andrew Tanner during the final snow battle.
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Colt 1911 Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911A1DeadPrea.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|In the lead up to seeing the first M1911A1 we see this iconic bumper sticker - this saying was popular during the 1970s and 1980s and indicated most American gun owner's disdain for draconian gun control.]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911A1DeadA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|In one of the most famous (and morbid) twists on a pop culture phrase, a Soviet Paratrooper prepares to take a blued commercial M1911A1 from the dead hands of a Colorado resident who decided to fight back]]

Later in the film, despite having his Smith & Wesson Model 15 revolver, Colonel Tanner ends up with a military M1911A1 pistol, seen during the snow battle. It is assumed that he picked it up somewhere along the way, like the previous Soviet Paratrooper, since none of the occupying forces would be carrying that pistol.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Col. Tanner fires at one of the Soviet tankers in the snow battle with his M1911A1 Pistol. His version appears to be parkerized, thus a military version.]]

==CZ 75==
The leader of the Soviet Paratroopers, in the attack on Calumet High School, motions to his troops with an original [[CZ 75]] handgun, and not one of the later "B" models.
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|350px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnPistolA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Paratrooper officers gestures with his CZ 75 pistol]]

==Tokarev TT-33 Pistol==
One of the officers does have an actual [[Tokarev TT-33]] Pistol (several viewings of the clip verified it, even though the actor whips it back and forth). He stands next to another paratrooper firing an RPG - with those bright yellow and blue rockets.
[[File:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:RedDawnTT33A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Airborne officer tells another paratrooper where to aim his RPG-7. The officer in the back holds up his Tokarev TT-33 pistol. This handgun was well obsolete by this time for front line troops in the USSR.]]

=Submachine Gun=

==Jatimatic Submachine Gun==
The [[Jatimatic SMG]] was used by Colonel Strelnikov ([[William Smith]]) when he is hunting Matt and Jed at the end of the film. It was supposed to represent the Polish manufactured [[PM-63]] machine pistol as none were available in the country at the time of filming due to the Cold War.
[[Image:JatimaticSMALL.JPG|thumb|400px|none|Jatimatic - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnStrelnikovJatimatic.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov actually wears the Jatimatic on a custom holster during his speech to the assembled Soviet and Cuban officers. It is a bit strange for the Colonel to wear his submachine gun on his hip when he is making a speech, however, always having the Jatimatic near him at all times, differentiated Col. Strelnikov from all other Soviet officers.]]
[[Image:RedDawnStrelnikovJatimatic 02.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov brandishes the Jatimatic when he hunts for Jed and Matt at the train station.]]
[[Image:RedDawnJatimaticFiresTrainA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov fires his Jatimatic submachine gun at Matt Eckert, who is hiding on a freight train]]
[[Image:RedDawnJatimaticDeathA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov reacts to being shot by Jed Eckert's Single Action Army revolver while firing his Jatimatic submachine gun]]

=Shotguns=

==Winchester Model 1912==
The Shotgun that Robert takes from his father's Gas Station/General Store is initially a [[Winchester Model 1912]] with a field barrel (28"). Robert Morris ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses it in the first encounter with Soviet soldiers in the National park.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1912.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester Model 12 Shotgun with Field Barrel - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:RedDawnRobertShotgunA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert prepares to fire his Winchester Model 12 field shotgun]]

== Remington 870 Wingmaster ==
In a continuity break, the Mossberg 500 previously seen morphs into a [[Remington 870 Shotgun|Remington 870 Wingmaster]]. The Remington 870 Wingmaster is first seen when Robert is sawing down the long barrel to make a short barreled shotgun. The cut down 870 is used pretty much exclusively by Robert for the rest of the film.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]‎
[[Image:RedDawn870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert cuts down the barrel of his Remington 870 Wingmaster. ''Legal note: Viewers have often pondered as to the legality of actually sawing off a shotgun barrel for the film. Since the actual Remington 870 firing gun from the armorers '''was already a short barreled shotgun''', installing a long barrel on it and then cutting it down (while being filmed by the cameras) is not an illegal act, since the gun is not being converted into a something that it is not already.'']]
[[Image:RedDawnAKM&870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert fires his short 870 along with Matt and his AKM.]]

=Rifles & Carbines=

== Maadi ARM ==
According to Long Mountain Outfitters (http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/RedDawn), the [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]] rifles used in the movie were actually Egyptian Maadi MISR '''(imported into the US as the ARM)''' semi-auto rifles, some of the first semi-automatic Kalashnikov-type rifles ever imported into the United States (besides the Clayco AKM copies). 53 such rifles were used in the movie, 32 of which were converted to full-auto by Class 3 manufacturer Pearl Manufacturing specially for the film. These guns were later used in numerous other movies. These weapons are not to be confused with the post-1989 imported firearms called "MISR" which were modified to comply with the federal import ban.
[[Image:RD-Maadi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maadi ARM (AKM) as used in ''Red Dawn'' (image from Long Mountain Outfitters) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|AKM - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnWOLVERINES.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aardvark ([[Doug Toby]]) utters the classic line "Wolverines!" while holding a Maadi ARM rifle converted to full auto fire.]]
[[Image:RedDawnAKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jed ([[Patrick Swayze]]) delivers some hot lead to a Russian tanker via an AKM.]]

==Fake AKS-74==
Fake [[AK-74#AKS-74|AKS-74]]s are used by Soviet paratroopers in the first attack on the school and Soviet Spetsnaz during the battle in the snow. They are actually Maadi ARMs that were very cleverly mocked up with bakelite plastic magazines, skeleton stocks, and custom-made muzzle brakes that resemble that of the [[AK-74]].
[[Image:aks74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKS-74 - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeAK74Snow2a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Spetnaz Snow troopers advance with faked AK-74 rifles made from Maadi ARMs]]
[[Image:RedDawnAK74 03A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Several angles of the mocked up AK-74 with the custom Muzzle Brake and the non-folding Skeletal stock. These rifles also use orange bakelite 7.62x39mm magazines. As a contrast, the standard AKMs in the film used metal magazines]]

==FN FAL==
Cuban and Nicaraguan soldiers can be seen carrying [[FN FAL]] rifles as their main weapons.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnFNFAL.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A quick but clear shot of the FAL rifle being brandished by the Cuban / Nicaraguan troops during an ambush. Most of the time the soldiers held the rifles close to their bodies, making a clear view difficult]]

==Ruger Mini 14 GB==
A [[Ruger Mini-14]] GB is briefly seen being handed out to freed prisoners at the re-education camp, and later seen obviously by an escaping 'political prisoner' during the night raid.
[[Image:RugerAC556.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Ruger AC556 Carbine - 5.56x45mm. Full auto version of Ruger Mini 14 GB.]]
[[Image:RedDawnRugerGBa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Unidentified man with a Ruger Mini 14 GB runs out the gate]]

==M16A1 Rifle==
A few [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1 rifles]] can be briefly seen being handed out to freed prisoners at the re-education camp, and later seen by another running 'political prisoner' during the night raid.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnM16A1A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Unidentified man with an M16A1 runs out the gate]]

==Marlin Model 336C==
The [[Marlin Model 336|Marlin Model 336C]] lever action rifle was picked up from the store just after the invasion. Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon ([[Doug Toby]]) fires a single shot from the back of a pickup truck at Russian troops, after an American UH-1 helicopter attacks the Soviets on the ground using rockets. He also uses it in some of the ambushes later in the film.
[[Image:MarlinModel336C.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marlin Model 336C - .30-30 Winchester]]
[[Image:RedDawnMarlin336CFireA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon fires the Marlin Model 336C from the pickup truck.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod1894 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Aardvark fires the Marlin Model 336C during an ambush.]]

==Savage 110==
Jed ([[Patrick Swayze]]) picks up a [[Savage 10/110 Series Rifles|Savage 110]] bolt action rifle from Mr. Morris' store at the beginning of the film. He uses it as a sniper rifle during some of the ambushes. The Savage is a likely candidate since the tapered barrel seen in the film more closely matches the stock barrels of the Savage 110 series, more than rifles such as the [[Remington 700]]. He also appears to have mounted a .22 rimfire scope on the rifle but the caliber of the rifle is unknown.
[[File:Savage110woodrifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px| Savage 110 rifle - 30-06]]
[[Image:RedDawnHuntingRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert Morris ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) borrows Jed Eckert's Savage 110 rifle to hunt deer, while Matt Eckert carries the Marlin Model 336C.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod70.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed surveys the desolate battlefield with his Savage 110 Bolt Action Rifle.]]
[[Image:RedDawnSavageHorseback.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed says goodbye to Mr. & Mrs. Mason, the grandparents of Toni and Erica Mason, while holding his Savage 110 bolt action rifle on horseback.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod70 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed on an ambush with his Savage 110 Bolt Action Rifle]]

==Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster==
Seen in the gun rack above Jed's Savage 110 bolt action rifle is a [[Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster]] pump action rifle. The 572 is a pump action 22 that will shoot 22 shorts, 22 long, or 22 long rifle cartridges. Ammunition is supplied by a tubular magazine under the barrel which holds 15-20 rounds depending on the caliber used. This ability to use all three cartridges is a major difference with other pump action 22s which use only the long rifle cartridge. The Remington 572 is a popular plinker and small game rifle which would be ideal as a survival weapon although it did not see additional use in the movie.
[[Image:Remington-572-right.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster - .22 Short / .22 L / .22 LR]]
[[Image:Remington-572-left.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster - .22 Short / .22 L / .22 LR]]
[[Image:RedDawnGunRack01A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:RedDawnGunRak07a.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

=Machine Guns=
==Valmet M78==
The [[Valmet M78]] LMG was standing in for the Soviet [[RPK light machine gun|RPK]] since none were available in the country when this movie was filmed. The M78 LMG was used by Russian Paratroopers in the beginning of the movie and, and later by the Wolverines, most notably by Toni Mason ([[Jennifer Grey]]).
[[Image:Valmet_M78_LMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Valmet M78 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnValmetM78 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Paratrooper fires the Valmet M78 LMG during the initial attack]]
[[Image:RedDawnValmetJenGrey.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Toni Mason fires her Valmet M78 LMG during an ambush.]]
[[Image:RedDawnvalmet02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A Valmet M78 LMG can be seen on a table along with the bright yellow RPG rockets with bright blue tubes.]]
[[Image:RedDawnM78DrumA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed ([[Patrick Swayze]]) holds a Valmet M78 with a drum magazine while sitting in the snow]]
[[Image:RedDawnValmetM78 04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed carries the Valmet M78.]]

==Fake DShK Heavy Machine Gun==
At the time of filming there were no [[DShK heavy machine gun|DShK heavy machine guns]] available for use in movies, so the armorers mocked up DShKs from [[M60 machine gun#M60D Machine Gun|M60D machine gun]]s. Apparently the size difference between a 7.62mm gun and a .50 cal gun wasn't enough to distract people during the movie.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDshsTankGun01A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The first time we see the DShK Heavy machine guns, mocked up out of M60D machine guns is when one is mounted on a faked T-72 Tank. What is confusing is that there is an Airborne officer 'commanding' a Main battle tank, which would not be the case. Blue was the color of shoulder boards and collar tabs for Airborne soldiers, Black was the color for Armored Units.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDshsTankGun02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A better angle of the Fake DShK where we can see the M60 origins. The Airborne officer with the blue beret and goggles is [[Fred Rexer]], the former Green Beret (and personal friend of Director John Milius), who trained all of the young actors playing the Wolverines in guerilla warfare.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDsHkTankerA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|When American prisoners are executed, including Jed and Matt's father, Tom Eckert ([[Harry Dean Stanton]]), we see Soviet Tankers firing their fake DShKs into the line of men]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDSHK-M60.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|In the snow battle, we clearly see the fake DShKs mounted on the fake T-72 tanks that are made from M60Ds]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDSHKHousea.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Erica ([[Lea Thompson]]) first uses a fake DShK during the ambush.]]
[[Image:RedDawnLeaThompsonM60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the ambush on the Spetnaz troops in the snow, Lea Thompson can clearly be seen firing a mocked up M60D, posing as a DShK.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHindDoorGunA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|One of the fake DShK heavy machine guns is seen mounted as a door gun on the fake Hind helicopter gunships]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDshsBattleA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|During the final battle we get a good look at just how LONG and slender the faked DShK barrel is, when mounted on the M60D as a platform]]

==Fake Goryunov SGM Machine gun==
Yet another Soviet-era machine gun that was mocked up from the venerable (and available) [[M60 machine gun]] is the [[Goryunov SG-43 Machine Gun|Goryunov SGM machine gun]].
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnSnowLMGNewA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) fires a Mocked up Goryunov SGM Machine Gun that was built up from an M60. The rate of fire was increased to around 1100 rpm versus the more standard 750 round per minute and the design of the gun was disguised by wrapping it in white cloth.]]
[[Image:RedDawnM60 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert's position during the snow battle has a fake Goryunov, mocked up from yet another M60 Machine Gun. The white wrapping has fallen off, exposing the M60s' pistol grip lower receiver, whereas the SGM has spade grips.]]

==Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun==
Seen briefly but never used is a knocked out [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB heavy machine gun]], mounted on a destroyed M42 "Duster" anti-aircraft vehicle.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:RedDawnTankGun03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matt, Jed and Robert run past a destroyed M42 Duster with a Browning M2HB Heavy Machine gun, lying cockeyed off of it's mount, presumably inoperable, or else the Russians would not have left it out in the open]]
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=Mini-Gun=

==GE M134 Minigun==
An abandoned [[GE M134 Minigun]], possibly from a crashed vehicle/chopper can be seen on the abandoned battlefield. It is noteworthy that there seem to be many 'abandoned' weapons, from .50 cal machine guns to .30 cal machine guns, however, it must be assumed that these are damaged and inoperable, or else the Soviets would never just leave them for anyone to pick up.
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|300px|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnTankGun2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Visible to the right, on the ground is the GE M134 Minigun and the articulated belt feeding tray.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMinigunWeb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Just to the left of Matt Eckert is an abandoned GE M134 Minigun]]

=Man Portable Missile and Rocket/Grenade Launchers=

== Fake RPG-7 ==
[[RPG-7|Fake RPG-7]]s are used by Soviet and Communist Bloc soldiers, and later Matt ([[Charlie Sheen]]). The weapon itself is a fabricated prop, utilizing a vintage 1950s era RPG-2 as a base. A flared rear blast cone and a second 'fake' pistol grip was added as well as a fake PGO-7 scope that was fabricated out of plastic (it's a bit too large and wrongly shaped for the real PGO-7 scope). The rocket warhead is a plastic and rubber fabrication and not an RPG-2 rocket head. The fuse tip itself is the cap from a Crest toothpaste tube!
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPG7 02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Matt aims his plastic and rubber mockup of an RPG-7 (though no RPG at the time had a bright yellow warhead with a Bright light blue rocket tube.)]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPG7 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the rubber rocket head of the fake RPG-7]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPGRobertA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Later in the film, the rocket heads are less bright yellow, now a more mustard color. Robert Morris ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) aims his RPG-7 at a Hind helicopter.]]
On another note, the rocket of the fake RPG-7 (like many other films that use rocket launchers) is a foam rubber fake when firing around actors. Prior to the advent of CGI in films, they were fired with real Estes rocket motors and '''guided along wires''' to their targets. Below we see a frame of film where we can clearly see the wire that will guide the foam rubber rocket head to its intended target.
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPG7Wire.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A view of the wire that guides the phony rocket head to its target.]]

== Fake SA-7 Grail ==
A mocked up [[SA-7 Grail]] (built from metal tubing and plastic) is used by a Cuban soldier at an attacking American UH-1D Helicopter. The mockup of the SA-7 is quite accurate. However, in the film a Cuban soldier, firing a heat seeking surface to air missile, cannot hit a slow moving UH-1 "Huey" (The post Vietnam "G" model with twin turbines). This is not likely unless the weapon was fired in completely the wrong direction.
[[Image:800px-SA-7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SA-7 ''Grail'' aka Russian Strela-2 surface to air missile - 70mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnStrela01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cuban Soldier readies to fire his mocked up SA-7 "Grail" Surface to Air Missile at attacking American UH1G Helicopters. This is an excellent movie mockup.]]
[[Image:RedDawnSA7Grail.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|SA-7 "Grail" Surface to air missile is fired at night in the downtown suburb of Calumet, CO. (actually a street in the small town of Las Vegas, New Mexico).]]

=Grenades=

==Fake RGD-5 Hand Grenades==
In the film we see numerous fake Soviet [[RGD-5 hand grenade]]s, however, the paint scheme is off and the scale is too large.
[[Image:Rdg5.jpg|thumb|none|300px|RGD-5 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGD5Roofa.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Robert drops "RGD-5" mocked up grenades during one of the ambushes, off of the roof onto the Cuban & Soviet Soldiers.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGDGrenadeA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Toni Mason ([[Jennifer Grey]]) has an RGD-5 grenade placed as a boobytrap.]]

==Fake RGD-33 Stick Grenade==
Colonel Tanner uses a stick grenade to destroy one of the YAK-36 VTOL fighters parked near the re-education camp. Though it is cool, it seems strange that the Soviet Navy would have VTOL fighters parked so close to an internment camp, unless they were using the Americans as human shields against long range missile strikes or aerial bombardment. The stick grenade is a mockup, however it could be either a fake of the [[RGD-33 stick grenade]] or the [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]].
[[Image:Rgd-33russianfrag mp.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RGD-33 High-Explosive Fragmentation stick grenade]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGD-33a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Col. Tanner shows a stick grenade to a YAK-36 pilot moments before tossing it in the intake]]

=Rocket Pods=

==Fake UB-32 Rocket Pods (on Fake Hind Gunship)==
Fake 32-round UB-32 rocket pods for the Russian S-5 unguided air-to-ground rocket are seen on the mocked up Hind-A helicopter gunship, along with wing mounted hardpoints with mocked-up twin launch rails for fake AT-2 "Swatter" anti-tank missiles.
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind03a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Fake Rocket pods are mounted on the wings of the Hind gunship.]]

=Gun Platforms=

== Fake Mil Mi-24 "Hind" Gunship ==
The "Mil Mi-24 Hinds" seen in the film are excellent mockups of Hind-As (painted with winter camo) built up from French''' Aerospatiale Pumas''' and were later used again in other movies such as ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Rambo III]]''. The version depicted was the earliest incarnation of the Hind, the Model-A with the blunt angular "greenhouse" side-by-side cockpit rather than the later twin in-line "double bubble" canopy. The Hind-A was also seen in the film ''[[Firefox]]'', however those were 1/12th scale radio controlled flying models. For the film ''[[Red Dawn]]'', three Pumas were modified (and all seen on film) and all had a fake Hind-A 'nose' sections built with darked tinted windows that slipped over the front end of the real Puma helicopter. (If you looked closely, you could see the real nose of the Puma 'underneath' the Hind nose section through the tinted windows. This, however, limited pilot vision and also restricted motion - quick turns were not possible lest the fake nose front end be ripped off the helicopter. Later incarnations of the same modified Puma helicopter removed the extended Hind-A nose sections, but kept the fake wings and rockets pods (as these were sturdy modifications and didn't adversely affect the aerodynamics of the helicopter.)
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind01a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Two of the three faux "Hind" helicopters chase the Wolverines in the beginning of the assault.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|One part of the PUMA helicopter that could not be modified was the bulging pods for the rear landing gear/wheels. The real Hinds are smooth sided, with retractable landing gear, to make them more sleek and aerodynamic in attack maneuvers.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind05a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Seen on the nose is a mockup of the '''single barreled 12.7mm heavy machine gun''' that was standard on the Hind-A helicopter. Only the later models of the helicopter upgraded to 12.7 mm YakB gatling gun (which in turn was later replaced by a twin 30mm autocannon setup on the right side of the forward fuselage).]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind06a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|In real life, use of the Hind-As are a bit anachronistic, since the ubiquitous '''Hind-D''' (the version we see today with the twin tandem nose canopies) replaced all previous Hind gunships in active service beginning in 1974. The Hind-As had design problems which forced their replacement by the Model D and had been replaced in most front line units by 1977.]]
In several shots, we can see the actual nose assembly of the original PUMA helicopter underneath the tinted glass windows of the extended "faux" nose.
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHindUndera.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Visible is the original nose of the Puma Helicopter under the tinted glass. The filmmakers just mounted the fake nose on top of the real helicopter nose.]]

== M42 "Duster" 40mm Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun ==
An M42 "Duster" SPAAG that has been knocked out of action is prominent in the ghost battlefield sequence. Of course what is noticeably missing from the plethora of destroyed vehicles on the battlefield are main battle tanks like M1 Abrams or infantry fighting vehicles. The M42 "Dusters" were built on obsolete M41 Walker Bulldog light tank chassis that were outfitted with twin 40mm AA guns and were used by ground troops in Vietnam, before being retired from regular Army service in 1972. The M42 was then only found as a Corps Level asset in National Guard units until it was fully retired in 1988.
[[Image:RedDawnM42DusterA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jed, Robert and Matt walk past a knocked out M42 "Duster" - 40mm Main armament with a Browning M2HB mounted on the back.]]

== Fake Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun ==
A Fake Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun was built on an American M8A1 Cargo Tractor chassis by Veluzet Armored Vehicles, out of Newhall, California. This ZSU-23 replica was also used in 1988's ''[[Rambo III]]'' as well as the 1991 John Milius directed film ''[[Flight of the Intruder]]''.
[[Image:RedDawnZSUNightAttacka.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The faux Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled AA gun seen in the film [[Red Dawn]] during the night attack. Unlike the film [[Flight of the Intruder]] (which mounted a real quad 50 comprising Browning M2HBs), this ZSU-23 only has fake mockup AA guns, so it is never seen firing in the movie.]]
[[Image:RedDawnZSUChassisBare.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Behind the Scenes:''' Inside the Veluzat Tank shop, the M8A1 Cargo Tractor has a steel frame welded into place that will eventually become the Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled AA gun seen in the film [[Red Dawn]].]]
[[Image:RedDawn ZSUparked.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|'''Behind the Scenes:''' The faux Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled AA gun seen in the film [[Red Dawn]] is parked as mechanics do some last minute testing.]]

== Fake Soviet T-72 Main Battle Tank ==
The Fake T-72 tanks from the film were built on the chassis of a surplus M8A1 Cargo Tractor, which itself was a stretched version of the M41 Walker Bulldog with four return rollers and six roadwheels per side instead of three return rollers and five roadwheels. These mockups would later be used in 1988's ''[[Rambo III]]''.
[[Image:RedDawnT72SnowCamoA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A beautifully painted Faux T-72 Tank rolls up to the snow battle. The 125mm main gun is an aluminum and fiberglass tube that mounted a black powder charge in front to simulate firing. Note four return rollers in two pairs rather than the five of an M48 Patton or three of an M41 Walker Bulldog.]]
[[Image:RedDawnT72TurretPainted.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Behind the Scenes:''' The fiberglass turret of the faux Soviet T-72 built for and seen in the film [[Red Dawn]] has been painted with a different paint scheme. In all the Fake T-72s impersonated multiple tanks with different paint schemes, most seen is the green urban, the field camo and the winter camo patterns.]]

=Trivia=

== Morris's Market ==
As many viewers remember, there was a large rack of sporting/hunting long guns in Mister Morris's Gas Station/General Store and Mister Morris hands out food, guns and ammunition to the boys and tells them to leave and "don't look back." However, none of the long guns in Mister Morris's gun rack can be identified due to the dark lighting in the shot.
[[Image:RedDawnMorrisMarketA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A view of the dark gun rack in Mister Morris's Market. It is extremely difficult to identify the weapons in the rack due to the dark shadowy lighting in the scene.]]

== Inaccurate Captioning on the DVD ==
During the planning of the attack on the re-education camp, Col. Tanner mystifies most of the Wolverines with his military jargon. Apparently the jargon is unknown to the people doing the captioning of the DVD as well. He refers to grazing fire at a '''defilade''' (using the verb as a noun to refer to an area which the Soviets have prepared in such a way as to protect the position from ''enfilading'' fire). Erica Mason ([[Lea Thompson]]) responds with "''Devolay''?". The Closed captions on the DVD incorrectly quotes Tanner as saying '''"duffle-A"''' which makes no sense.
[[Image:RedDawn-Duffle-Aa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Caption of this scene incorrectly quotes Tanner as saying "duffle-A" when in fact he says "Defilade" (which is a real military term).]]

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Red Dawn (1984)

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[[Image:RedDawnMoviePoster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Red Dawn'' (1984)]]

''Red Dawn'' is a 1984 action war film that dramatizes the possibility of a Soviet invasion of the continental United States. Directed by [[John Milius]], the film stars [[Patrick Swayze]], [[Charlie Sheen]], [[Lea Thompson]], and [[Jennifer Grey]] as a group of mostly teenagers who become resistance fighters against the occupying force. The film is notable for the amount of effort put into accurately depicting modern Soviet armor and weaponry particularly during the time of the Cold War. A [[Red Dawn (2012)|remake]] of the film is scheduled for release in the near future.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Red Dawn'' (1984):'''

'''WARNING! SPOILERS AHEAD!'''

=Handguns=

==Colt Single Action Army==
A Colt [[Single Action Army]] revolver with ivory grips was used by Jed. The revolver used was a personal piece owned by director John Milius.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army "Artillery" model with 5.5" barrel - .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:RedDawnSAAIvory01a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Matt Eckert hands over the Single Action Army to Jed Eckert]]
[[Image:RedDawnSAAkillA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed Eckert prepares to shoot Yuri (Sam Slovick) near the sign for the Arapaho National Park, with his Single Action Army]]
[[Image:RedDawnSAAWinterShootA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|''"Because we LIVE HERE!!!!!!"'']]
[[Image:RedDawnSAASnowNightA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''"You lose."'' Jed Eckert announces his presence to Colonel Strelnikov, instead of just shooting him.]]

==Walther PP Pistol==
The Nicaraguan Captain ([[Judd Omen]]) holds a [[Walther PP Pistol Series|Walther PP Pistol]] as he hunts for Jed and Matt. It is meant to be a PM Makarov, but that is explained below.
[[Image:Walther-PP-Post-War.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Post war Walther PP Pistol - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawn-Walther-PP2a.jpg ‎|thumb|none|500px|The Nicaraguan Captain ([[Judd Omen]]) holds a Walther PP Pistol as he hunts for Jed and Matt - .32 ACP. He would later be blinded by Matt's RPG back blast. The Walther PP was standing in for the Makarov, which was unavailable at the time of filming.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] (denote by its tapered barrel) with Pachmayr grips is the 'survival pistol' belonging to USAF Colonel Andrew Tanner ([[Powers Boothe]]) but it is taken away from him by Erica. Interestingly enough, the Model 15 was the issued revolver to USAF Security Police from 1962-1985 so it is feasible for a USAF Colonel to wield one. Combat pilots were given a wide latitude of the personal sidearm they could carry, with many opting for small revolvers, like the Airweight, or traditional semiauto pistols like the M1911.
[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 .38 Special]]
[[Image:RedDawnS&WMod19A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|U.S.A.F. Colonel Andrew Tanner sleeps with his Smith & Wesson Model 15 with combat grips at his side]]
[[Image:RedDawnS&WMod19 02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Tanner's Model 15 is confiscated by Erica]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGD-33a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Later, during the liberation raid on the re-education camp, Col. Tanner again has the Smith & Wesson Model 15 in a shoulder holster.]]

==M1911A1==
An [[M1911A1]] pistol is first seen in the "cold dead hands" of an American who resisted the Soviet invasion. The pistol is pulled from the hand of the man and inspected by a Soviet Paratrooper who stuffs it behind his webbing belt. The M1911A1 seen in this scene is a commercial blued version. A parkerized M1911A1 is also used by Colonel Andrew Tanner during the final snow battle.
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Colt 1911 Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911A1DeadPrea.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|In the lead up to seeing the first M1911A1 we see this iconic bumper sticker - this saying was popular during the 1970s and 1980s and indicated most American gun owner's disdain for draconian gun control.]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911A1DeadA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|In one of the most famous (and morbid) twists on a pop culture phrase, a Soviet Paratrooper prepares to take a blued commercial M1911A1 from the dead hands of a Colorado resident who decided to fight back]]

Later in the film, despite having his Smith & Wesson Model 15 revolver, Colonel Tanner ends up with a military M1911A1 pistol, seen during the snow battle. It is assumed that he picked it up somewhere along the way, like the previous Soviet Paratrooper, since none of the occupying forces would be carrying that pistol.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Col. Tanner fires at one of the Soviet tankers in the snow battle with his M1911A1 Pistol. His version appears to be parkerized, thus a military version.]]

==CZ 75==
The leader of the Soviet Paratroopers, in the attack on Calumet High School, motions to his troops with an original [[CZ 75]] handgun, and not one of the later "B" models.
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|350px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnPistolA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Paratrooper officers gestures with his CZ 75 pistol]]

==Tokarev TT-33 Pistol==
One of the officers does have an actual [[Tokarev TT-33]] Pistol (several viewings of the clip verified it, even though the actor whips it back and forth). He stands next to another paratrooper firing an RPG - with those bright yellow and blue rockets.
[[File:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:RedDawnTT33A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Airborne officer tells another paratrooper where to aim his RPG-7. The officer in the back holds up his Tokarev TT-33 pistol. This handgun was well obsolete by this time for front line troops in the USSR.]]

=Submachine Gun=

==Jatimatic Submachine Gun==
The [[Jatimatic SMG]] was used by Colonel Strelnikov ([[William Smith]]) when he is hunting Matt and Jed at the end of the film. It was supposed to represent the Polish manufactured [[PM-63]] machine pistol as none were available in the country at the time of filming due to the Cold War.
[[Image:JatimaticSMALL.JPG|thumb|400px|none|Jatimatic - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnStrelnikovJatimatic.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov actually wears the Jatimatic on a custom holster during his speech to the assembled Soviet and Cuban officers. It is a bit strange for the Colonel to wear his submachine gun on his hip when he is making a speech, however, always having the Jatimatic near him at all times, differentiated Col. Strelnikov from all other Soviet officers.]]
[[Image:RedDawnStrelnikovJatimatic 02.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov brandishes the Jatimatic when he hunts for Jed and Matt at the train station.]]
[[Image:RedDawnJatimaticFiresTrainA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov fires his Jatimatic submachine gun at Matt Eckert, who is hiding on a freight train]]
[[Image:RedDawnJatimaticDeathA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov reacts to being shot by Jed Eckert's Single Action Army revolver while firing his Jatimatic submachine gun]]

=Shotguns=

==Winchester Model 1912==
The Shotgun that Robert takes from his father's Gas Station/General Store is initially a [[Winchester Model 1912]] with a field barrel (28"). Robert Morris ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses it in the first encounter with Soviet soldiers in the National park.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1912.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester Model 12 Shotgun with Field Barrel - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:RedDawnRobertShotgunA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert prepares to fire his Winchester Model 12 field shotgun]]

== Remington 870 Wingmaster ==
In a continuity break, the Mossberg 500 previously seen morphs into a [[Remington 870 Shotgun|Remington 870 Wingmaster]]. The Remington 870 Wingmaster is first seen when Robert is sawing down the long barrel to make a short barreled shotgun. The cut down 870 is used pretty much exclusively by Robert for the rest of the film.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]‎
[[Image:RedDawn870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert cuts down the barrel of his Remington 870 Wingmaster. ''Legal note: Viewers have often pondered as to the legality of actually sawing off a shotgun barrel for the film. Since the actual Remington 870 firing gun from the armorers '''was already a short barreled shotgun''', installing a long barrel on it and then cutting it down (while being filmed by the cameras) is not an illegal act, since the gun is not being converted into a something that it is not already.'']]
[[Image:RedDawnAKM&870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert fires his short 870 along with Matt and his AKM.]]

=Rifles & Carbines=

== Maadi ARM ==
According to Long Mountain Outfitters (http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/RedDawn), the [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]] rifles used in the movie were actually Egyptian Maadi MISR '''(imported into the US as the ARM)''' semi-auto rifles, some of the first semi-automatic Kalashnikov-type rifles ever imported into the United States (besides the Clayco AKM copies). 53 such rifles were used in the movie, 32 of which were converted to full-auto by Class 3 manufacturer Pearl Manufacturing specially for the film. These guns were later used in numerous other movies. These weapons are not to be confused with the post-1989 imported firearms called "MISR" which were modified to comply with the federal import ban.
[[Image:RD-Maadi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maadi ARM (AKM) as used in ''Red Dawn'' (image from Long Mountain Outfitters) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|AKM - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnWOLVERINES.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aardvark ([[Doug Toby]]) utters the classic line "Wolverines!" while holding a Maadi ARM rifle converted to full auto fire.]]
[[Image:RedDawnAKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jed ([[Patrick Swayze]]) delivers some hot lead to a Russian tanker via an AKM.]]

==Fake AKS-74==
Fake [[AK-74#AKS-74|AKS-74]]s are used by Soviet paratroopers in the first attack on the school and Soviet Spetsnaz during the battle in the snow. They are actually Maadi ARMs that were very cleverly mocked up with bakelite plastic magazines, skeleton stocks, and custom-made muzzle brakes that resemble that of the [[AK-74]].
[[Image:aks74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKS-74 - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeAK74Snow2a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Spetnaz Snow troopers advance with faked AK-74 rifles made from Maadi ARMs]]
[[Image:RedDawnAK74 03A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Several angles of the mocked up AK-74 with the custom Muzzle Brake and the non-folding Skeletal stock. These rifles also use orange bakelite 7.62x39mm magazines. As a contrast, the standard AKMs in the film used metal magazines]]

==FN FAL==
Cuban and Nicaraguan soldiers can be seen carrying [[FN FAL]] rifles as their main weapons.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnFNFAL.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A quick but clear shot of the FAL rifle being brandished by the Cuban / Nicaraguan troops during an ambush. Most of the time the soldiers held the rifles close to their bodies, making a clear view difficult]]

==Ruger Mini 14 GB==
A [[Ruger Mini-14]] GB is briefly seen being handed out to freed prisoners at the re-education camp, and later seen obviously by an escaping 'political prisoner' during the night raid.
[[Image:RugerAC556.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Ruger AC556 Carbine - 5.56x45mm. Full auto version of Ruger Mini 14 GB.]]
[[Image:RedDawnRugerGBa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Unidentified man with a Ruger Mini 14 GB runs out the gate]]

==M16A1 Rifle==
A few [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1 rifles]] can be briefly seen being handed out to freed prisoners at the re-education camp, and later seen by another running 'political prisoner' during the night raid.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnM16A1A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Unidentified man with an M16A1 runs out the gate]]

==Marlin Model 336C==
The [[Marlin Model 336|Marlin Model 336C]] lever action rifle was picked up from the store just after the invasion. Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon ([[Doug Toby]]) fires a single shot from the back of a pickup truck at Russian troops, after an American UH-1 helicopter attacks the Soviets on the ground using rockets. He also uses it in some of the ambushes later in the film.
[[Image:MarlinModel336C.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marlin Model 336C - .30-30 Winchester]]
[[Image:RedDawnMarlin336CFireA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon fires the Marlin Model 336C from the pickup truck.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod1894 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Aardvark fires the Marlin Model 336C during an ambush.]]

==Savage 110==
Jed ([[Patrick Swayze]]) picks up a [[Savage 10/110 Series Rifles|Savage 110]] bolt action rifle from Mr. Morris' store at the beginning of the film. He uses it as a sniper rifle during some of the ambushes. The Savage is a likely candidate since the tapered barrel seen in the film more closely matches the stock barrels of the Savage 110 series, more than rifles such as the [[Remington 700]]. He also appears to have mounted a .22 rimfire scope on the rifle but the caliber of the rifle is unknown.
[[File:Savage110woodrifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px| Savage 110 rifle - 30-06]]
[[Image:RedDawnHuntingRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert Morris ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) borrows Jed Eckert's Savage 110 rifle to hunt deer, while Matt Eckert carries the Marlin Model 336C.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod70.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed surveys the desolate battlefield with his Savage 110 Bolt Action Rifle.]]
[[Image:RedDawnSavageHorseback.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed says goodbye to Mr. & Mrs. Mason, the grandparents of Toni and Erica Mason, while holding his Savage 110 bolt action rifle on horseback.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod70 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed on an ambush with his Savage 110 Bolt Action Rifle]]

==Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster==
Seen in the gun rack above Jed's Savage 110 bolt action rifle is a [[Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster]] pump action rifle. The 572 is a pump action 22 that will shoot 22 shorts, 22 long, or 22 long rifle cartridges. Ammunition is supplied by a tubular magazine under the barrel which holds 15-20 rounds depending on the caliber used. This ability to use all three cartridges is a major difference with other pump action 22s which use only the long rifle cartridge. The Remington 572 is a popular plinker and small game rifle which would be ideal as a survival weapon although it did not see additional use in the movie.
[[Image:Remington-572-right.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster - .22 Short / .22 L / .22 LR]]
[[Image:Remington-572-left.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster - .22 Short / .22 L / .22 LR]]
[[Image:RedDawnGunRack01A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:RedDawnGunRak07a.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

=Machine Guns=
==Valmet M78==
The [[Valmet M78]] LMG was standing in for the Soviet [[RPK light machine gun|RPK]] since none were available in the country when this movie was filmed. The M78 LMG was used by Russian Paratroopers in the beginning of the movie and, and later by the Wolverines, most notably by Toni Mason ([[Jennifer Grey]]).
[[Image:Valmet_M78_LMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Valmet M78 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnValmetM78 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Paratrooper fires the Valmet M78 LMG during the initial attack]]
[[Image:RedDawnValmetJenGrey.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Toni Mason fires her Valmet M78 LMG during an ambush.]]
[[Image:RedDawnvalmet02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A Valmet M78 LMG can be seen on a table along with the bright yellow RPG rockets with bright blue tubes.]]
[[Image:RedDawnM78DrumA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed ([[Patrick Swayze]]) holds a Valmet M78 with a drum magazine while sitting in the snow]]
[[Image:RedDawnValmetM78 04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed carries the Valmet M78.]]

==Fake DShK Heavy Machine Gun==
At the time of filming there were no [[DShK heavy machine gun|DShK heavy machine guns]] available for use in movies, so the armorers mocked up DShKs from [[M60 machine gun#M60D Machine Gun|M60D machine gun]]s. Apparently the size difference between a 7.62mm gun and a .50 cal gun wasn't enough to distract people during the movie.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDshsTankGun01A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The first time we see the DShK Heavy machine guns, mocked up out of M60D machine guns is when one is mounted on a faked T-72 Tank. What is confusing is that there is an Airborne officer 'commanding' a Main battle tank, which would not be the case. Blue was the color of shoulder boards and collar tabs for Airborne soldiers, Black was the color for Armored Units.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDshsTankGun02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A better angle of the Fake DShK where we can see the M60 origins. The Airborne officer with the blue beret and goggles is [[Fred Rexer]], the former Green Beret (and personal friend of Director John Milius), who trained all of the young actors playing the Wolverines in guerilla warfare.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDsHkTankerA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|When American prisoners are executed, including Jed and Matt's father, Tom Eckert ([[Harry Dean Stanton]]), we see Soviet Tankers firing their fake DShKs into the line of men]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDSHK-M60.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|In the snow battle, we clearly see the fake DShKs mounted on the fake T-72 tanks that are made from M60Ds]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDSHKHousea.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Erica ([[Lea Thompson]]) first uses a fake DShK during the ambush.]]
[[Image:RedDawnLeaThompsonM60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the ambush on the Spetnaz troops in the snow, Lea Thompson can clearly be seen firing a mocked up M60D, posing as a DShK.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHindDoorGunA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|One of the fake DShK heavy machine guns is seen mounted as a door gun on the fake Hind helicopter gunships]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDshsBattleA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|During the final battle we get a good look at just how LONG and slender the faked DShK barrel is, when mounted on the M60D as a platform]]

==Fake Goryunov SGM Machine gun==
Yet another Soviet-era machine gun that was mocked up from the venerable (and available) [[M60 machine gun]] is the [[Goryunov SG-43 Machine Gun|Goryunov SGM machine gun]].
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnSnowLMGNewA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) fires a Mocked up Goryunov SGM Machine Gun that was built up from an M60. The rate of fire was increased to around 1100 rpm versus the more standard 750 round per minute and the design of the gun was disguised by wrapping it in white cloth.]]
[[Image:RedDawnM60 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert's position during the snow battle has a fake Goryunov, mocked up from yet another M60 Machine Gun. The white wrapping has fallen off, exposing the M60s' pistol grip lower receiver, whereas the SGM has spade grips.]]

==Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun==
Seen briefly but never used is a knocked out [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB heavy machine gun]], mounted on a destroyed M42 "Duster" anti-aircraft vehicle.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:RedDawnTankGun03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matt, Jed and Robert run past a destroyed M42 Duster with a Browning M2HB Heavy Machine gun, lying cockeyed off of it's mount, presumably inoperable, or else the Russians would not have left it out in the open]]
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=Mini-Gun=

==GE M134 Minigun==
An abandoned [[GE M134 Minigun]], possibly from a crashed vehicle/chopper can be seen on the abandoned battlefield. It is noteworthy that there seem to be many 'abandoned' weapons, from .50 cal machine guns to .30 cal machine guns, however, it must be assumed that these are damaged and inoperable, or else the Soviets would never just leave them for anyone to pick up.
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|300px|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnTankGun2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Visible to the right, on the ground is the GE M134 Minigun and the articulated belt feeding tray.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMinigunWeb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Just to the left of Matt Eckert is an abandoned GE M134 Minigun]]

=Man Portable Missile and Rocket/Grenade Launchers=

== Fake RPG-7 ==
[[RPG-7|Fake RPG-7]]s are used by Soviet and Communist Bloc soldiers, and later Matt ([[Charlie Sheen]]). The weapon itself is a fabricated prop, utilizing a vintage 1950s era RPG-2 as a base. A flared rear blast cone and a second 'fake' pistol grip was added as well as a fake PGO-7 scope that was fabricated out of plastic (it's a bit too large and wrongly shaped for the real PGO-7 scope). The rocket warhead is a plastic and rubber fabrication and not an RPG-2 rocket head. The fuse tip itself is the cap from a Crest toothpaste tube!
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPG7 02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Matt aims his plastic and rubber mockup of an RPG-7 (though no RPG at the time had a bright yellow warhead with a Bright light blue rocket tube.)]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPG7 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the rubber rocket head of the fake RPG-7]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPGRobertA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Later in the film, the rocket heads are less bright yellow, now a more mustard color. Robert Morris ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) aims his RPG-7 at a Hind helicopter.]]
On another note, the rocket of the fake RPG-7 (like many other films that use rocket launchers) is a foam rubber fake when firing around actors. Prior to the advent of CGI in films, they were fired with real Estes rocket motors and '''guided along wires''' to their targets. Below we see a frame of film where we can clearly see the wire that will guide the foam rubber rocket head to its intended target.
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPG7Wire.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A view of the wire that guides the phony rocket head to its target.]]

== Fake SA-7 Grail ==
A mocked up [[SA-7 Grail]] (built from metal tubing and plastic) is used by a Cuban soldier at an attacking American UH-1D Helicopter. The mockup of the SA-7 is quite accurate. However, in the film a Cuban soldier, firing a heat seeking surface to air missile, cannot hit a slow moving UH-1 "Huey" (The post Vietnam "G" model with twin turbines). This is not likely unless the weapon was fired in completely the wrong direction.
[[Image:800px-SA-7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SA-7 ''Grail'' aka Russian Strela-2 surface to air missile - 70mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnStrela01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cuban Soldier readies to fire his mocked up SA-7 "Grail" Surface to Air Missile at attacking American UH1G Helicopters. This is an excellent movie mockup.]]
[[Image:RedDawnSA7Grail.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|SA-7 "Grail" Surface to air missile is fired at night in the downtown suburb of Calumet, CO. (actually a street in the small town of Las Vegas, New Mexico).]]

=Grenades=

==Fake RGD-5 Hand Grenades==
In the film we see numerous fake Soviet [[RGD-5 hand grenade]]s, however, the paint scheme is off and the scale is too large.
[[Image:Rdg5.jpg|thumb|none|300px|RGD-5 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGD5Roofa.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Robert drops "RGD-5" mocked up grenades during one of the ambushes, off of the roof onto the Cuban & Soviet Soldiers.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGDGrenadeA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Toni Mason ([[Jennifer Grey]]) has an RGD-5 grenade placed as a boobytrap under her dead body after the helicopter attack, only to be tripped by an enemy soldier.]]

==Fake RGD-33 Stick Grenade==
Colonel Tanner uses a stick grenade to destroy one of the YAK-36 VTOL fighters parked near the re-education camp. Though it is cool, it seems strange that the Soviet Navy would have VTOL fighters parked so close to an internment camp, unless they were using the Americans as human shields against long range missile strikes or aerial bombardment. The stick grenade is a mockup, however it could be either a fake of the [[RGD-33 stick grenade]] or the [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]].
[[Image:Rgd-33russianfrag mp.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RGD-33 High-Explosive Fragmentation stick grenade]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGD-33a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Col. Tanner shows a stick grenade to a YAK-36 pilot moments before tossing it in the intake]]

=Rocket Pods=

==Fake UB-32 Rocket Pods (on Fake Hind Gunship)==
Fake 32-round UB-32 rocket pods for the Russian S-5 unguided air-to-ground rocket are seen on the mocked up Hind-A helicopter gunship, along with wing mounted hardpoints with mocked-up twin launch rails for fake AT-2 "Swatter" anti-tank missiles.
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind03a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Fake Rocket pods are mounted on the wings of the Hind gunship.]]

=Gun Platforms=

== Fake Mil Mi-24 "Hind" Gunship ==
The "Mil Mi-24 Hinds" seen in the film are excellent mockups of Hind-As (painted with winter camo) built up from French''' Aerospatiale Pumas''' and were later used again in other movies such as ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Rambo III]]''. The version depicted was the earliest incarnation of the Hind, the Model-A with the blunt angular "greenhouse" side-by-side cockpit rather than the later twin in-line "double bubble" canopy. The Hind-A was also seen in the film ''[[Firefox]]'', however those were 1/12th scale radio controlled flying models. For the film ''[[Red Dawn]]'', three Pumas were modified (and all seen on film) and all had a fake Hind-A 'nose' sections built with darked tinted windows that slipped over the front end of the real Puma helicopter. (If you looked closely, you could see the real nose of the Puma 'underneath' the Hind nose section through the tinted windows. This, however, limited pilot vision and also restricted motion - quick turns were not possible lest the fake nose front end be ripped off the helicopter. Later incarnations of the same modified Puma helicopter removed the extended Hind-A nose sections, but kept the fake wings and rockets pods (as these were sturdy modifications and didn't adversely affect the aerodynamics of the helicopter.)
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind01a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Two of the three faux "Hind" helicopters chase the Wolverines in the beginning of the assault.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|One part of the PUMA helicopter that could not be modified was the bulging pods for the rear landing gear/wheels. The real Hinds are smooth sided, with retractable landing gear, to make them more sleek and aerodynamic in attack maneuvers.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind05a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Seen on the nose is a mockup of the '''single barreled 12.7mm heavy machine gun''' that was standard on the Hind-A helicopter. Only the later models of the helicopter upgraded to 12.7 mm YakB gatling gun (which in turn was later replaced by a twin 30mm autocannon setup on the right side of the forward fuselage).]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind06a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|In real life, use of the Hind-As are a bit anachronistic, since the ubiquitous '''Hind-D''' (the version we see today with the twin tandem nose canopies) replaced all previous Hind gunships in active service beginning in 1974. The Hind-As had design problems which forced their replacement by the Model D and had been replaced in most front line units by 1977.]]
In several shots, we can see the actual nose assembly of the original PUMA helicopter underneath the tinted glass windows of the extended "faux" nose.
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHindUndera.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Visible is the original nose of the Puma Helicopter under the tinted glass. The filmmakers just mounted the fake nose on top of the real helicopter nose.]]

== M42 "Duster" 40mm Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun ==
An M42 "Duster" SPAAG that has been knocked out of action is prominent in the ghost battlefield sequence. Of course what is noticeably missing from the plethora of destroyed vehicles on the battlefield are main battle tanks like M1 Abrams or infantry fighting vehicles. The M42 "Dusters" were built on obsolete M41 Walker Bulldog light tank chassis that were outfitted with twin 40mm AA guns and were used by ground troops in Vietnam, before being retired from regular Army service in 1972. The M42 was then only found as a Corps Level asset in National Guard units until it was fully retired in 1988.
[[Image:RedDawnM42DusterA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jed, Robert and Matt walk past a knocked out M42 "Duster" - 40mm Main armament with a Browning M2HB mounted on the back.]]

== Fake Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun ==
A Fake Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun was built on an American M8A1 Cargo Tractor chassis by Veluzet Armored Vehicles, out of Newhall, California. This ZSU-23 replica was also used in 1988's ''[[Rambo III]]'' as well as the 1991 John Milius directed film ''[[Flight of the Intruder]]''.
[[Image:RedDawnZSUNightAttacka.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The faux Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled AA gun seen in the film [[Red Dawn]] during the night attack. Unlike the film [[Flight of the Intruder]] (which mounted a real quad 50 comprising Browning M2HBs), this ZSU-23 only has fake mockup AA guns, so it is never seen firing in the movie.]]
[[Image:RedDawnZSUChassisBare.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Behind the Scenes:''' Inside the Veluzat Tank shop, the M8A1 Cargo Tractor has a steel frame welded into place that will eventually become the Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled AA gun seen in the film [[Red Dawn]].]]
[[Image:RedDawn ZSUparked.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|'''Behind the Scenes:''' The faux Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled AA gun seen in the film [[Red Dawn]] is parked as mechanics do some last minute testing.]]

== Fake Soviet T-72 Main Battle Tank ==
The Fake T-72 tanks from the film were built on the chassis of a surplus M8A1 Cargo Tractor, which itself was a stretched version of the M41 Walker Bulldog with four return rollers and six roadwheels per side instead of three return rollers and five roadwheels. These mockups would later be used in 1988's ''[[Rambo III]]''.
[[Image:RedDawnT72SnowCamoA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A beautifully painted Faux T-72 Tank rolls up to the snow battle. The 125mm main gun is an aluminum and fiberglass tube that mounted a black powder charge in front to simulate firing. Note four return rollers in two pairs rather than the five of an M48 Patton or three of an M41 Walker Bulldog.]]
[[Image:RedDawnT72TurretPainted.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Behind the Scenes:''' The fiberglass turret of the faux Soviet T-72 built for and seen in the film [[Red Dawn]] has been painted with a different paint scheme. In all the Fake T-72s impersonated multiple tanks with different paint schemes, most seen is the green urban, the field camo and the winter camo patterns.]]

=Trivia=

== Morris's Market ==
As many viewers remember, there was a large rack of sporting/hunting long guns in Mister Morris's Gas Station/General Store and Mister Morris hands out food, guns and ammunition to the boys and tells them to leave and "don't look back." However, none of the long guns in Mister Morris's gun rack can be identified due to the dark lighting in the shot.
[[Image:RedDawnMorrisMarketA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A view of the dark gun rack in Mister Morris's Market. It is extremely difficult to identify the weapons in the rack due to the dark shadowy lighting in the scene.]]

== Inaccurate Captioning on the DVD ==
During the planning of the attack on the re-education camp, Col. Tanner mystifies most of the Wolverines with his military jargon. Apparently the jargon is unknown to the people doing the captioning of the DVD as well. He refers to grazing fire at a '''defilade''' (using the verb as a noun to refer to an area which the Soviets have prepared in such a way as to protect the position from ''enfilading'' fire). Erica Mason ([[Lea Thompson]]) responds with "''Devolay''?". The Closed captions on the DVD incorrectly quotes Tanner as saying '''"duffle-A"''' which makes no sense.
[[Image:RedDawn-Duffle-Aa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Caption of this scene incorrectly quotes Tanner as saying "duffle-A" when in fact he says "Defilade" (which is a real military term).]]

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Red Dawn (1984)

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Sentient6: /* Colt Single Action Army */

[[Image:RedDawnMoviePoster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Red Dawn'' (1984)]]

''Red Dawn'' is a 1984 action war film that dramatizes the possibility of a Soviet invasion of the continental United States. Directed by [[John Milius]], the film stars [[Patrick Swayze]], [[Charlie Sheen]], [[Lea Thompson]], and [[Jennifer Grey]] as a group of mostly teenagers who become resistance fighters against the occupying force. The film is notable for the amount of effort put into accurately depicting modern Soviet armor and weaponry particularly during the time of the Cold War. A [[Red Dawn (2012)|remake]] of the film is scheduled for release in the near future.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Red Dawn'' (1984):'''

'''WARNING! SPOILERS AHEAD!'''

=Handguns=

==Colt Single Action Army==
A Colt [[Single Action Army]] revolver with ivory grips was used by Jed. The revolver used was a personal piece owned by director John Milius.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army "Artillery" model with 5.5" barrel - .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:RedDawnSAAIvory01a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Matt Eckert hands over the Single Action Army to Jed Eckert]]
[[Image:RedDawnSAAkillA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed Eckert prepares to shoot Yuri (Sam Slovick) near the sign for the Arapaho National Park, with his Single Action Army]]
[[Image:RedDawnSAAWinterShootA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|''"Because we LIVE HERE!!!!!!"'']]
[[Image:RedDawnSAASnowNightA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''"You lose."'' Jed Eckert announces his presence to Colonel Strelnikov, instead of just shooting him.]]

==Walther PP Pistol==
The Nicaraguan Captain ([[Judd Omen]]) holds a [[Walther PP Pistol Series|Walther PP Pistol]] as he hunts for Jed and Matt. It is meant to be a PM Makarov, but that is explained below.
[[Image:Walther-PP-Post-War.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Post war Walther PP Pistol - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawn-Walther-PP2a.jpg ‎|thumb|none|500px|The Nicaraguan Captain ([[Judd Omen]]) holds a Walther PP Pistol as he hunts for Jed and Matt - .32 ACP. He would later be blinded by Matt's RPG back blast. The Walther PP was standing in for the Makarov, which was unavailable at the time of filming.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] (denote by its tapered barrel) with Pachmayr grips is the 'survival pistol' belonging to USAF Colonel Andrew Tanner ([[Powers Boothe]]) but it is taken away from him by Erica. Interestingly enough, the Model 15 was the issued revolver to USAF Security Police from 1962-1985 so it is feasible for a USAF Colonel to wield one. Combat pilots were given a wide latitude of the personal sidearm they could carry, with many opting for small revolvers, like the Airweight, or traditional semiauto pistols like the M1911.
[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 .38 Special]]
[[Image:RedDawnS&WMod19A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|U.S.A.F. Colonel Andrew Tanner sleeps with his Smith & Wesson Model 15 with combat grips at his side]]
[[Image:RedDawnS&WMod19 02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Tanner's Model 15 is confiscated by Erica]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGD-33a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Later, during the liberation raid on the re-education camp, Col. Tanner again has the Smith & Wesson Model 15 in a shoulder holster.]]

==M1911A1==
An [[M1911A1]] pistol is first seen in the "cold dead hands" of an American who resisted the Soviet invasion. The pistol is pulled from the hand of the man and inspected by a Soviet Paratrooper who stuffs it behind his webbing belt. The M1911A1 seen in this scene is a commercial blued version. A parkerized M1911A1 is also used by Colonel Andrew Tanner during the final snow battle.
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Colt 1911 Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911A1DeadPrea.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|In the lead up to seeing the first M1911A1 we see this iconic bumper sticker - this saying was popular during the 1970s and 1980s and indicated most American gun owner's disdain for draconian gun control.]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911A1DeadA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|In one of the most famous (and morbid) twists on a pop culture phrase, a Soviet Paratrooper prepares to take a blued commercial M1911A1 from the dead hands of a Colorado resident who decided to fight back]]

Later in the film, despite having his Smith & Wesson Model 15 revolver, Colonel Tanner ends up with a military M1911A1 pistol, seen during the snow battle. It is assumed that he picked it up somewhere along the way, like the previous Soviet Paratrooper, since none of the occupying forces would be carrying that pistol.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Col. Tanner fires at one of the Soviet tankers in the snow battle with his M1911A1 Pistol. His version appears to be parkerized, thus a military version.]]

==CZ 75==
The leader of the Soviet Paratroopers, in the attack on Calumet High School, motions to his troops with an original [[CZ 75]] handgun, and not one of the later "B" models.
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|350px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnPistolA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Paratrooper officers gestures with his CZ 75 pistol]]

==Tokarev TT-33 Pistol==
One of the officers does have an actual [[Tokarev TT-33]] Pistol (several viewings of the clip verified it, even though the actor whips it back and forth). He stands next to another paratrooper firing an RPG - with those bright yellow and blue rockets.
[[File:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:RedDawnTT33A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Airborne officer tells another paratrooper where to aim his RPG-7. The officer in the back holds up his Tokarev TT-33 pistol. This handgun was well obsolete by this time for front line troops in the USSR.]]

=Submachine Gun=

==Jatimatic Submachine Gun==
The [[Jatimatic SMG]] was used by Colonel Strelnikov ([[William Smith]]) when he is hunting Matt and Jed at the end of the film. It was supposed to represent the Polish manufactured [[PM-63]] machine pistol as none were available in the country at the time of filming due to the Cold War.
[[Image:JatimaticSMALL.JPG|thumb|400px|none|Jatimatic - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnStrelnikovJatimatic.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov actually wears the Jatimatic on a custom holster during his speech to the assembled Soviet and Cuban officers. It is a bit strange for the Colonel to wear his submachine gun on his hip when he is making a speech, however, always having the Jatimatic near him at all times, differentiated Col. Strelnikov from all other Soviet officers.]]
[[Image:RedDawnStrelnikovJatimatic 02.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov brandishes the Jatimatic when he hunts for Jed and Matt at the train station.]]
[[Image:RedDawnJatimaticFiresTrainA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov fires his Jatimatic submachine gun at Matt Eckert, who is hiding on a freight train]]
[[Image:RedDawnJatimaticDeathA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colonel Strelnikov reacts to being shot by Jed Eckert's Single Action Army revolver while firing his Jatimatic submachine gun]]

=Shotguns=

==Winchester Model 1912==
The Shotgun that Robert takes from his father's Gas Station/General Store is initially a [[Winchester Model 1912]] with a field barrel (28"). Robert Morris ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) uses it in the first encounter with Soviet soldiers in the National park.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1912.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester Model 12 Shotgun with Field Barrel - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:RedDawnRobertShotgunA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert prepares to fire his Winchester Model 12 field shotgun]]

== Remington 870 Wingmaster ==
In a continuity break, the Mossberg 500 previously seen morphs into a [[Remington 870 Shotgun|Remington 870 Wingmaster]]. The Remington 870 Wingmaster is first seen when Robert is sawing down the long barrel to make a short barreled shotgun. The cut down 870 is used pretty much exclusively by Robert for the rest of the film.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]‎
[[Image:RedDawn870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert cuts down the barrel of his Remington 870 Wingmaster. ''Legal note: Viewers have often pondered as to the legality of actually sawing off a shotgun barrel for the film. Since the actual Remington 870 firing gun from the armorers '''was already a short barreled shotgun''', installing a long barrel on it and then cutting it down (while being filmed by the cameras) is not an illegal act, since the gun is not being converted into a something that it is not already.'']]
[[Image:RedDawnAKM&870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert fires his short 870 along with Matt and his AKM.]]

=Rifles & Carbines=

== Maadi ARM ==
According to Long Mountain Outfitters (http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/RedDawn), the [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]] rifles used in the movie were actually Egyptian Maadi MISR '''(imported into the US as the ARM)''' semi-auto rifles, some of the first semi-automatic Kalashnikov-type rifles ever imported into the United States (besides the Clayco AKM copies). 53 such rifles were used in the movie, 32 of which were converted to full-auto by Class 3 manufacturer Pearl Manufacturing specially for the film. These guns were later used in numerous other movies. These weapons are not to be confused with the post-1989 imported firearms called "MISR" which were modified to comply with the federal import ban.
[[Image:RD-Maadi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maadi ARM (AKM) as used in ''Red Dawn'' (image from Long Mountain Outfitters) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|AKM - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnWOLVERINES.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aardvark ([[Doug Toby]]) utters the classic line "Wolverines!" while holding a Maadi ARM rifle converted to full auto fire.]]
[[Image:RedDawnAKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jed ([[Patrick Swayze]]) delivers some hot lead to a Russian tanker via an AKM.]]

==Fake AKS-74==
Fake [[AK-74#AKS-74|AKS-74]]s are used by Soviet paratroopers in the first attack on the school and Soviet Spetsnaz during the battle in the snow. They are actually Maadi ARMs that were very cleverly mocked up with bakelite plastic magazines, skeleton stocks, and custom-made muzzle brakes that resemble that of the [[AK-74]].
[[Image:aks74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKS-74 - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeAK74Snow2a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Spetnaz Snow troopers advance with faked AK-74 rifles made from Maadi ARMs]]
[[Image:RedDawnAK74 03A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Several angles of the mocked up AK-74 with the custom Muzzle Brake and the non-folding Skeletal stock. These rifles also use orange bakelite 7.62x39mm magazines. As a contrast, the standard AKMs in the film used metal magazines]]

==FN FAL==
Cuban and Nicaraguan soldiers can be seen carrying [[FN FAL]] rifles as their main weapons.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnFNFAL.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A quick but clear shot of the FAL rifle being brandished by the Cuban / Nicaraguan troops during an ambush. Most of the time the soldiers held the rifles close to their bodies, making a clear view difficult]]

==Ruger Mini 14 GB==
A [[Ruger Mini-14]] GB is briefly seen being handed out to freed prisoners at the re-education camp, and later seen obviously by an escaping 'political prisoner' during the night raid.
[[Image:RugerAC556.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Ruger AC556 Carbine - 5.56x45mm. Full auto version of Ruger Mini 14 GB.]]
[[Image:RedDawnRugerGBa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Unidentified man with a Ruger Mini 14 GB runs out the gate]]

==M16A1 Rifle==
A few [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1 rifles]] can be briefly seen being handed out to freed prisoners at the re-education camp, and later seen by another running 'political prisoner' during the night raid.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnM16A1A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Unidentified man with an M16A1 runs out the gate]]

==Marlin Model 336C==
The [[Marlin Model 336|Marlin Model 336C]] lever action rifle was picked up from the store just after the invasion. Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon ([[Doug Toby]]) fires a single shot from the back of a pickup truck at Russian troops, after an American UH-1 helicopter attacks the Soviets on the ground using rockets. He also uses it in some of the ambushes later in the film. What is unusual is that the character Arturo Mondragon, nicknamed "Aardvark", is never addressed or identified in the film, despite having such a major role. The only time the audience hears his name is when Erica ([[Lea Thompson]]) screams "Aardvark" when he dies during the snow battle with the T-72 tanks.
[[Image:MarlinModel336C.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marlin Model 336C - .30-30 Winchester]]
[[Image:RedDawnMarlin336CFireA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon fires the Marlin Model 336C from the pickup truck.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod1894 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Aardvark fires the Marlin Model 336C during an ambush.]]

==Savage 110==
Jed ([[Patrick Swayze]]) picks up a [[Savage 10/110 Series Rifles|Savage 110]] bolt action rifle from Mr. Morris' store at the beginning of the film. He uses it as a sniper rifle during some of the ambushes. The Savage is a likely candidate since the tapered barrel seen in the film more closely matches the stock barrels of the Savage 110 series, more than rifles such as the [[Remington 700]]. He also appears to have mounted a .22 rimfire scope on the rifle but the caliber of the rifle is unknown.
[[File:Savage110woodrifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px| Savage 110 rifle - 30-06]]
[[Image:RedDawnHuntingRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert Morris ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) borrows Jed Eckert's Savage 110 rifle to hunt deer, while Matt Eckert carries the Marlin Model 336C.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod70.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed surveys the desolate battlefield with his Savage 110 Bolt Action Rifle.]]
[[Image:RedDawnSavageHorseback.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed says goodbye to Mr. & Mrs. Mason, the grandparents of Toni and Erica Mason, while holding his Savage 110 bolt action rifle on horseback.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod70 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed on an ambush with his Savage 110 Bolt Action Rifle]]

==Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster==
Seen in the gun rack above Jed's Savage 110 bolt action rifle is a [[Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster]] pump action rifle. The 572 is a pump action 22 that will shoot 22 shorts, 22 long, or 22 long rifle cartridges. Ammunition is supplied by a tubular magazine under the barrel which holds 15-20 rounds depending on the caliber used. This ability to use all three cartridges is a major difference with other pump action 22s which use only the long rifle cartridge. The Remington 572 is a popular plinker and small game rifle which would be ideal as a survival weapon although it did not see additional use in the movie.
[[Image:Remington-572-right.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster - .22 Short / .22 L / .22 LR]]
[[Image:Remington-572-left.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 572 Fieldmaster - .22 Short / .22 L / .22 LR]]
[[Image:RedDawnGunRack01A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:RedDawnGunRak07a.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

=Machine Guns=
==Valmet M78==
The [[Valmet M78]] LMG was standing in for the Soviet [[RPK light machine gun|RPK]] since none were available in the country when this movie was filmed. The M78 LMG was used by Russian Paratroopers in the beginning of the movie and, and later by the Wolverines, most notably by Toni Mason ([[Jennifer Grey]]).
[[Image:Valmet_M78_LMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Valmet M78 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnValmetM78 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Paratrooper fires the Valmet M78 LMG during the initial attack]]
[[Image:RedDawnValmetJenGrey.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Toni Mason fires her Valmet M78 LMG during an ambush.]]
[[Image:RedDawnvalmet02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A Valmet M78 LMG can be seen on a table along with the bright yellow RPG rockets with bright blue tubes.]]
[[Image:RedDawnM78DrumA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed ([[Patrick Swayze]]) holds a Valmet M78 with a drum magazine while sitting in the snow]]
[[Image:RedDawnValmetM78 04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Jed carries the Valmet M78.]]

==Fake DShK Heavy Machine Gun==
At the time of filming there were no [[DShK heavy machine gun|DShK heavy machine guns]] available for use in movies, so the armorers mocked up DShKs from [[M60 machine gun#M60D Machine Gun|M60D machine gun]]s. Apparently the size difference between a 7.62mm gun and a .50 cal gun wasn't enough to distract people during the movie.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDshsTankGun01A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The first time we see the DShK Heavy machine guns, mocked up out of M60D machine guns is when one is mounted on a faked T-72 Tank. What is confusing is that there is an Airborne officer 'commanding' a Main battle tank, which would not be the case. Blue was the color of shoulder boards and collar tabs for Airborne soldiers, Black was the color for Armored Units.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDshsTankGun02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A better angle of the Fake DShK where we can see the M60 origins. The Airborne officer with the blue beret and goggles is [[Fred Rexer]], the former Green Beret (and personal friend of Director John Milius), who trained all of the young actors playing the Wolverines in guerilla warfare.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDsHkTankerA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|When American prisoners are executed, including Jed and Matt's father, Tom Eckert ([[Harry Dean Stanton]]), we see Soviet Tankers firing their fake DShKs into the line of men]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDSHK-M60.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|In the snow battle, we clearly see the fake DShKs mounted on the fake T-72 tanks that are made from M60Ds]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDSHKHousea.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Erica ([[Lea Thompson]]) first uses a fake DShK during the ambush.]]
[[Image:RedDawnLeaThompsonM60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the ambush on the Spetnaz troops in the snow, Lea Thompson can clearly be seen firing a mocked up M60D, posing as a DShK.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHindDoorGunA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|One of the fake DShK heavy machine guns is seen mounted as a door gun on the fake Hind helicopter gunships]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeDshsBattleA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|During the final battle we get a good look at just how LONG and slender the faked DShK barrel is, when mounted on the M60D as a platform]]

==Fake Goryunov SGM Machine gun==
Yet another Soviet-era machine gun that was mocked up from the venerable (and available) [[M60 machine gun]] is the [[Goryunov SG-43 Machine Gun|Goryunov SGM machine gun]].
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnSnowLMGNewA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) fires a Mocked up Goryunov SGM Machine Gun that was built up from an M60. The rate of fire was increased to around 1100 rpm versus the more standard 750 round per minute and the design of the gun was disguised by wrapping it in white cloth.]]
[[Image:RedDawnM60 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Robert's position during the snow battle has a fake Goryunov, mocked up from yet another M60 Machine Gun. The white wrapping has fallen off, exposing the M60s' pistol grip lower receiver, whereas the SGM has spade grips.]]

==Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun==
Seen briefly but never used is a knocked out [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB heavy machine gun]], mounted on a destroyed M42 "Duster" anti-aircraft vehicle.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:RedDawnTankGun03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matt, Jed and Robert run past a destroyed M42 Duster with a Browning M2HB Heavy Machine gun, lying cockeyed off of it's mount, presumably inoperable, or else the Russians would not have left it out in the open]]
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=Mini-Gun=

==GE M134 Minigun==
An abandoned [[GE M134 Minigun]], possibly from a crashed vehicle/chopper can be seen on the abandoned battlefield. It is noteworthy that there seem to be many 'abandoned' weapons, from .50 cal machine guns to .30 cal machine guns, however, it must be assumed that these are damaged and inoperable, or else the Soviets would never just leave them for anyone to pick up.
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|300px|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RedDawnTankGun2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Visible to the right, on the ground is the GE M134 Minigun and the articulated belt feeding tray.]]
[[Image:RedDawnMinigunWeb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Just to the left of Matt Eckert is an abandoned GE M134 Minigun]]

=Man Portable Missile and Rocket/Grenade Launchers=

== Fake RPG-7 ==
[[RPG-7|Fake RPG-7]]s are used by Soviet and Communist Bloc soldiers, and later Matt ([[Charlie Sheen]]). The weapon itself is a fabricated prop, utilizing a vintage 1950s era RPG-2 as a base. A flared rear blast cone and a second 'fake' pistol grip was added as well as a fake PGO-7 scope that was fabricated out of plastic (it's a bit too large and wrongly shaped for the real PGO-7 scope). The rocket warhead is a plastic and rubber fabrication and not an RPG-2 rocket head. The fuse tip itself is the cap from a Crest toothpaste tube!
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPG7 02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Matt aims his plastic and rubber mockup of an RPG-7 (though no RPG at the time had a bright yellow warhead with a Bright light blue rocket tube.)]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPG7 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the rubber rocket head of the fake RPG-7]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPGRobertA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Later in the film, the rocket heads are less bright yellow, now a more mustard color. Robert Morris ([[C. Thomas Howell]]) aims his RPG-7 at a Hind helicopter.]]
On another note, the rocket of the fake RPG-7 (like many other films that use rocket launchers) is a foam rubber fake when firing around actors. Prior to the advent of CGI in films, they were fired with real Estes rocket motors and '''guided along wires''' to their targets. Below we see a frame of film where we can clearly see the wire that will guide the foam rubber rocket head to its intended target.
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRPG7Wire.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A view of the wire that guides the phony rocket head to its target.]]

== Fake SA-7 Grail ==
A mocked up [[SA-7 Grail]] (built from metal tubing and plastic) is used by a Cuban soldier at an attacking American UH-1D Helicopter. The mockup of the SA-7 is quite accurate. However, in the film a Cuban soldier, firing a heat seeking surface to air missile, cannot hit a slow moving UH-1 "Huey" (The post Vietnam "G" model with twin turbines). This is not likely unless the weapon was fired in completely the wrong direction.
[[Image:800px-SA-7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SA-7 ''Grail'' aka Russian Strela-2 surface to air missile - 70mm]]
[[Image:RedDawnStrela01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cuban Soldier readies to fire his mocked up SA-7 "Grail" Surface to Air Missile at attacking American UH1G Helicopters. This is an excellent movie mockup.]]
[[Image:RedDawnSA7Grail.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|SA-7 "Grail" Surface to air missile is fired at night in the downtown suburb of Calumet, CO. (actually a street in the small town of Las Vegas, New Mexico).]]

=Grenades=

==Fake RGD-5 Hand Grenades==
In the film we see numerous fake Soviet [[RGD-5 hand grenade]]s, however, the paint scheme is off and the scale is too large.
[[Image:Rdg5.jpg|thumb|none|300px|RGD-5 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGD5Roofa.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Robert drops "RGD-5" mocked up grenades during one of the ambushes, off of the roof onto the Cuban & Soviet Soldiers.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGDGrenadeA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Toni Mason ([[Jennifer Grey]]) has an RGD-5 grenade placed as a boobytrap under her dead body after the helicopter attack, only to be tripped by an enemy soldier.]]

==Fake RGD-33 Stick Grenade==
Colonel Tanner uses a stick grenade to destroy one of the YAK-36 VTOL fighters parked near the re-education camp. Though it is cool, it seems strange that the Soviet Navy would have VTOL fighters parked so close to an internment camp, unless they were using the Americans as human shields against long range missile strikes or aerial bombardment. The stick grenade is a mockup, however it could be either a fake of the [[RGD-33 stick grenade]] or the [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]].
[[Image:Rgd-33russianfrag mp.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RGD-33 High-Explosive Fragmentation stick grenade]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeRGD-33a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Col. Tanner shows a stick grenade to a YAK-36 pilot moments before tossing it in the intake]]

=Rocket Pods=

==Fake UB-32 Rocket Pods (on Fake Hind Gunship)==
Fake 32-round UB-32 rocket pods for the Russian S-5 unguided air-to-ground rocket are seen on the mocked up Hind-A helicopter gunship, along with wing mounted hardpoints with mocked-up twin launch rails for fake AT-2 "Swatter" anti-tank missiles.
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind03a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Fake Rocket pods are mounted on the wings of the Hind gunship.]]

=Gun Platforms=

== Fake Mil Mi-24 "Hind" Gunship ==
The "Mil Mi-24 Hinds" seen in the film are excellent mockups of Hind-As (painted with winter camo) built up from French''' Aerospatiale Pumas''' and were later used again in other movies such as ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Rambo III]]''. The version depicted was the earliest incarnation of the Hind, the Model-A with the blunt angular "greenhouse" side-by-side cockpit rather than the later twin in-line "double bubble" canopy. The Hind-A was also seen in the film ''[[Firefox]]'', however those were 1/12th scale radio controlled flying models. For the film ''[[Red Dawn]]'', three Pumas were modified (and all seen on film) and all had a fake Hind-A 'nose' sections built with darked tinted windows that slipped over the front end of the real Puma helicopter. (If you looked closely, you could see the real nose of the Puma 'underneath' the Hind nose section through the tinted windows. This, however, limited pilot vision and also restricted motion - quick turns were not possible lest the fake nose front end be ripped off the helicopter. Later incarnations of the same modified Puma helicopter removed the extended Hind-A nose sections, but kept the fake wings and rockets pods (as these were sturdy modifications and didn't adversely affect the aerodynamics of the helicopter.)
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind01a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Two of the three faux "Hind" helicopters chase the Wolverines in the beginning of the assault.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|One part of the PUMA helicopter that could not be modified was the bulging pods for the rear landing gear/wheels. The real Hinds are smooth sided, with retractable landing gear, to make them more sleek and aerodynamic in attack maneuvers.]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind05a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Seen on the nose is a mockup of the '''single barreled 12.7mm heavy machine gun''' that was standard on the Hind-A helicopter. Only the later models of the helicopter upgraded to 12.7 mm YakB gatling gun (which in turn was later replaced by a twin 30mm autocannon setup on the right side of the forward fuselage).]]
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind06a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|In real life, use of the Hind-As are a bit anachronistic, since the ubiquitous '''Hind-D''' (the version we see today with the twin tandem nose canopies) replaced all previous Hind gunships in active service beginning in 1974. The Hind-As had design problems which forced their replacement by the Model D and had been replaced in most front line units by 1977.]]
In several shots, we can see the actual nose assembly of the original PUMA helicopter underneath the tinted glass windows of the extended "faux" nose.
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHindUndera.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Visible is the original nose of the Puma Helicopter under the tinted glass. The filmmakers just mounted the fake nose on top of the real helicopter nose.]]

== M42 "Duster" 40mm Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun ==
An M42 "Duster" SPAAG that has been knocked out of action is prominent in the ghost battlefield sequence. Of course what is noticeably missing from the plethora of destroyed vehicles on the battlefield are main battle tanks like M1 Abrams or infantry fighting vehicles. The M42 "Dusters" were built on obsolete M41 Walker Bulldog light tank chassis that were outfitted with twin 40mm AA guns and were used by ground troops in Vietnam, before being retired from regular Army service in 1972. The M42 was then only found as a Corps Level asset in National Guard units until it was fully retired in 1988.
[[Image:RedDawnM42DusterA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jed, Robert and Matt walk past a knocked out M42 "Duster" - 40mm Main armament with a Browning M2HB mounted on the back.]]

== Fake Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun ==
A Fake Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun was built on an American M8A1 Cargo Tractor chassis by Veluzet Armored Vehicles, out of Newhall, California. This ZSU-23 replica was also used in 1988's ''[[Rambo III]]'' as well as the 1991 John Milius directed film ''[[Flight of the Intruder]]''.
[[Image:RedDawnZSUNightAttacka.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The faux Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled AA gun seen in the film [[Red Dawn]] during the night attack. Unlike the film [[Flight of the Intruder]] (which mounted a real quad 50 comprising Browning M2HBs), this ZSU-23 only has fake mockup AA guns, so it is never seen firing in the movie.]]
[[Image:RedDawnZSUChassisBare.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Behind the Scenes:''' Inside the Veluzat Tank shop, the M8A1 Cargo Tractor has a steel frame welded into place that will eventually become the Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled AA gun seen in the film [[Red Dawn]].]]
[[Image:RedDawn ZSUparked.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|'''Behind the Scenes:''' The faux Soviet ZSU-23 Self Propelled AA gun seen in the film [[Red Dawn]] is parked as mechanics do some last minute testing.]]

== Fake Soviet T-72 Main Battle Tank ==
The Fake T-72 tanks from the film were built on the chassis of a surplus M8A1 Cargo Tractor, which itself was a stretched version of the M41 Walker Bulldog with four return rollers and six roadwheels per side instead of three return rollers and five roadwheels. These mockups would later be used in 1988's ''[[Rambo III]]''.
[[Image:RedDawnT72SnowCamoA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A beautifully painted Faux T-72 Tank rolls up to the snow battle. The 125mm main gun is an aluminum and fiberglass tube that mounted a black powder charge in front to simulate firing. Note four return rollers in two pairs rather than the five of an M48 Patton or three of an M41 Walker Bulldog.]]
[[Image:RedDawnT72TurretPainted.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Behind the Scenes:''' The fiberglass turret of the faux Soviet T-72 built for and seen in the film [[Red Dawn]] has been painted with a different paint scheme. In all the Fake T-72s impersonated multiple tanks with different paint schemes, most seen is the green urban, the field camo and the winter camo patterns.]]

=Trivia=

== Morris's Market ==
As many viewers remember, there was a large rack of sporting/hunting long guns in Mister Morris's Gas Station/General Store and Mister Morris hands out food, guns and ammunition to the boys and tells them to leave and "don't look back." However, none of the long guns in Mister Morris's gun rack can be identified due to the dark lighting in the shot.
[[Image:RedDawnMorrisMarketA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A view of the dark gun rack in Mister Morris's Market. It is extremely difficult to identify the weapons in the rack due to the dark shadowy lighting in the scene.]]

== Inaccurate Captioning on the DVD ==
During the planning of the attack on the re-education camp, Col. Tanner mystifies most of the Wolverines with his military jargon. Apparently the jargon is unknown to the people doing the captioning of the DVD as well. He refers to grazing fire at a '''defilade''' (using the verb as a noun to refer to an area which the Soviets have prepared in such a way as to protect the position from ''enfilading'' fire). Erica Mason ([[Lea Thompson]]) responds with "''Devolay''?". The Closed captions on the DVD incorrectly quotes Tanner as saying '''"duffle-A"''' which makes no sense.
[[Image:RedDawn-Duffle-Aa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Caption of this scene incorrectly quotes Tanner as saying "duffle-A" when in fact he says "Defilade" (which is a real military term).]]

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Talk:Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

2012-04-22T17:57:34Z

Sentient6:

==First Impressions==
When I first heard they were releasing a new Counter-Strike, I was ecstatic. Then I read it will be released on consoles as well, then I was disappointed. I still thought they could pull it off, but then I saw there will be cross platform play. Now I'm not so sure. You guy's thoughts?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 01:12, 28 August 2011 (CDT)
:Well, CS 1.6 and CS:S were obviously the best. When I first heard about CS:GO, I was like "Hmmm, Okay." but then I was like "Wait, what? Where's Half-Life: Episode 3?", because seriously, though, what's the deal? Every year, Valve announcing on a new game, not including EP3, which people are waiting for it the most since the release of EP2. I don't really have HUGE problem with the new CS, but it looks a bit like those free MMOFPS games like War Rock, Combat Arms, etc. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 05:20, 28 August 2011 (CDT)

== M4A1 ==

The in-world model and purchase icon is correct for the M4A1, but on the first-person image it looks like an M933. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 06:31, 28 August 2011 (CDT)
:I noticed that too when I saw the trailer, the world model appears to CS:S' M4A1 so it's most likely a place-holder, I think your right about it being a M933. Right now I modding the heck out of the weapons in my recently rebought CS:S, mostly just HQ, '''right side ejecting''', versions of the default weapons, lol. It saddens me a bit that they replaced the USP Tactical with the P2000, I have nothing against the P2000, but a 9mm P2000 is not a .45 USP Tactical. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:39, 28 August 2011 (CDT)
::Right about the USP, not to mention that it looks better than its half-step-brother P2000. But what the hell is this game anyways?! They change the AUG A1 to A3, P228 to P250 (*sadface*) , add the taser and release it for 50 dollars ''again''? Are they nuts?! Keeping all the guns and adding new ones would be reasonable, but this... this looks like a mod for CS:S, well except that mods are usually free. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:01, 28 August 2011 (CDT)
:::I was hoping that they would make the P228 a P229 or SIG Pro, but I guess the P250 is okay. When I first saw the P2000 in the trailer, it took me a while to realize what it was (it looked really round-y) and then I thought it was a P30. I think they could have updated the graphics a LOT more while keeping the CS feel.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:16, 28 August 2011 (CDT)

==Glock 17==

Are you sure it's the 17? The gun looks small, like a compact. However, I have no idea whether it's possible to convert a Glock 19 to full auto... [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 12:57, 22 April 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 1

2012-04-15T22:23:42Z

Sentient6:

Whoa....is that shit on the AR 15??????
:It's ''mud''... -_- [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::But, but, doesn't everyone use an AR-15 for toilet paper!? ;) LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I thought that was why most AKs had ''brown'' furniture...? :P [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Why is this marked for deletion? It has the category "Delete" applied to it. If that doesn't mean what I think it does, please correct me. Otherwise, this show would fit the IMFDB article criteria, right? [[User:SJ Commander|SJ Commander]] 11:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:Don't know why it's been tagged for deletion, but to be honest, most of us just think it's a crappy show (uh... no pun intended). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Season 2 ==

How come they deleted the Deadliest Warrior season 2 page there should be one?

:More to the point, the link that claims to lead to the later seasons just goes to "Deadliest Warrior" - which in turn redirects right back to "Deadliest Warrior - Season 1". [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 13:06, 27 August 2011 (CDT)

== Nazi SS vs uhh.....Viet Cong ep. ==

Can someone add the Nazi vs Viet Cong ep in this article? I'd love to see some of the inaccuracy's pointed out on that ep because I was soo mad that that one.-[[User:The Gunslinger 3|The Gunslinger 3]] 15:12, 29 October 2011 (CDT)

== Crazy Horse vs Pancho Villa ==

When do you think they will add this episode because it used some classic guns?

==Legitimacy==

So, on a scale of 1 to bullshit, how accurate is the show? I watched an episode or two, and the some of the "experts" seem... questionable, at best. Are they at least correct on the weapon specs? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 17:23, 15 April 2012 (CDT)

Talk:AK-47

2012-04-15T17:14:42Z

Sentient6: /* AKMSU */

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=='''Image gallery - OTHER variants of the AK-47'''==
Since members get confused by some of the other (usually customized) variants made for movies, we should store the images here, so that all members can easily find a variant that they've seen in a movie or tv show. '''Note: These do NOT belong on the main AK-47 page because they are customized guns for films and not indicative of any 'production gun'.''' They are stored here for viewing and usage on movie pages that require them.

[[Image:AK47WeWereSoldiersHeroGun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Actual Screen used AK-47''' from the film [[We Were Soldiers]] (built by Cinema Weaponry) - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:Type56MuzzleBrake.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 56-1 Mocked up to resemble [[AK-74#AKS-74|AKS-74]] - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Norinco56Mockup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 56 Mocked up to resemble [[AK-74]] - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Type84HybridRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 84S modified with a pig Sticker bayonet, no cleaning rod and milled front end with no detent pin (as seen in ''[[Hollow Point]]'') - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BellyNorincoType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Custom Norinco Type 56-1 nickel-plated, fitted with ivory furniture and a Romanian AIM-style vertical grip, originally made for the movie ''[[Belly]]'', also seen in ''[[Lord of War]]'' and ''[[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]]'' - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Zastava M70AB2 with scope.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M70AB2 with scope - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AK_open.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Custom-built gold-plated AK carbine from ''[[Lord of War]]'' - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Ak47mw.2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKM fitted with Tapco Intrafuse and T6 furniture sets and an [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4 carbine]] stock and Stock Adapter similar to the one in ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]''.- 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:KrinkovQuadRail.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Krebs Custom Speed Load Krinkov - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[File:AKPDW01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMSU with RIS handguard - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:PolytechGalilSidefolder.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Poly Tech AKS-47 [[Galil]] side-folder - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Wm 634735.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FEG AK-63E (Hungarian version of the AKMS) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:RD-Maadi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maadi ARM (AKM) - 7.62x39mm as used in ''[[Red Dawn]]'' (1984) (image from Long Mountain Outfitters)]]
[[Image:RomanianblackwidowAKfolder.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Romanian AKMS Black Widow - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 with a AR-15 stock and a synthetic handguard - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AKWITHOUTSTOCK.JPG|thumb|500px|none|Airsoft AK-47 replica without stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Romanian-WASR-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Romanian WASR-3 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Zastava_M80.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M80 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:PolyTechLegendAK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Poly Technologies Legend AK with original Russian Style front sight, AKM muzzle brake, and bayonet - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Far Cry 3 AK-103.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-103 7.62x39mm with side-mounted RIS rail & [[AK-74]] style stock, handguard, and pistol grip as seen in ''[[Far Cry 3]]'']]
[[Image:MW3 AK 47.jpg|thumb|none|500px| AK-47 with synthetic M4 style stock, pistol grip and Hand guard, AK 74 style muzzle brake, and side mounted RIS rail as seen in ''[[Modern Warfare 3]]'' - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:1romakm47gpwasr10uf1501.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Romanian WASR-10 UF with Tapco magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:Bulgarian-AR-M4SF.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Arsenal AR-M4SF with red dot sight and stock folded - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:PM md. 90 Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Romanian PM md. 90 Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. Note: this differs from the US import version the [[AK-47#Romanian_AK_Draco_Carbine|Draco]] by its 3 position fire selector, folding stock as standard and darker AKM type palm-swell handguard.]]
[[File:Arsenal-ARM1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arsenal SAR-M1 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:King arms ak74 tapco folding stock aeg right.jpg|thumb|none|500px|King Arms AK74 Tapco Folding Stock - Similar to the customized AKM seen in Season 2 of ''Nikita''.]]

== The Romanian WASR-3==

Should we have a section for the WASR-3?

:Yeah, I suppose we could do that, since they've appeared in at least three movies that we know of (''[[Casino Royale]]'', ''[[Sahara (2005)|Sahara]]'', and now ''[[Hotel Rwanda]]''). I would also like to do a section for the Romanian AIM series, which appears in ''[[Street Kings]]'' and ''[[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-out]]''.

::Well thanks to LUMPY, we now know the make and model of the mystery AKs in Casino Royale and Sahara (2005). It's an obscure FEG Hungarian AK variant that was exported to Europe during the 1980s, which is why Sasha Robey has them and We don't. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:26, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

== Get A Load of This Beast! ==

Gentlemen, I present to you, Franken-AK!

[http://www.impactguns.com/store/MGC-PW85-000407.html Franken-AK]
:I hate Franken-guns.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Ugly. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Looks like someone took the Type 84S from ''[[Hollow Point]]'' and added some wierd-looking muzzle brake and bleached the furniture. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

== AKMSU ==

The AKMSU SMG has been produced by the USSR from 1975 to 1979 ans distributed to special forces and paratroopers, but they were in many cases too hard to handle to be used effectively, so many were scrapped. In 1979 they were replaced by the AKS74U and the remaining guns were shipped to allied countries like Iraq. Very hard to find, hollywood armories usually carry foreign copys (From Zastava) or mock-ups made with parts of AKS74Us. Standard AKMSU has a forward grip and under-folding stock.

Info source please? As far as i know AKMSU was never mass-produced by USSR. It was abandoned because of obvious problems -- too short barrel that resulted in unsatisfactory bullet ballistics and quick overheating.

:The comment above stretched the page quite a bit to the right. I edited to fix that. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

AKMSU 7.62 never produced in the USSR. It is not in any Soviet or Russian book about the Kalashnikov weapons. This weapon is clearly a foreign design [[User:Slow Rider|Slow Rider]] 09:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

It was a project for special forces, tankers and that sort of thing. It was cancelled I believe, because the authorities in question felt that the shortened barrel would degrade ballistic performance, the shortened gas system would cause heating issues and the light weight would make the recoil uncontrollable. Odd given that they approved the AKSU-74 later, but all points aside, there were Russian 7.62x39mm assault carbines back then. It just never went into production.

I beg to differ, I know Wikipedia isn't exactly a reliable source, but Russian Wikipedia has a page on the SOVIET-produced AKMSU. My Russian is still rudimentary (I'm learning), and I wouldn't trust Google Translate that much, but it pretty much says what the first post here says, except that it was produced in 1959, a whopping 20 years before the 74U! The only reason I'm trusting its existence is because I've seen the gun in the pictures there before. I'm dead certain it's never been featured in any media, but it's worth mentioning here. If anything, that unique pre-AKS-74U flash hider is very interesting. Sources: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%9A%D0%9C%D0%A1%D0%A3 http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000570/570186.jpg [[User:GreveSparf|GreveSparf]] 22:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

:The wiki page says it was ''developed'', but never went into production. The book doesn't say anything about production, just details the specs. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 12:14, 15 April 2012 (CDT)

== East German AKs==
Should we have a section for the Mpi-KMS or any East German AK variants because I saw them in Hotel Rwanda and The Hurt Locker, I have no more info because I am new to this site
::Yes, but be sure they really are NVA (East German) AKs. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

== Zastava M70AB2 ==
I got the picture of the Zastava M70AB2 with standard black pistol grip, should I post it on the main page or keep it here?
[[Image:Zastava M70 AB2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M70AB2 with standard pistol grip - 7.62x39mm]]

I went ahead and added it, and kept the "Mitchell Arms" version on there as well, since it shows a version that'd likely appear in American productions featuring the weapon. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:32, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Vltor Modstock? ==
[[Image:Ak47mw.2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 fitted with Tapco Intrafuse and T6 furniture sets and a Vltor Modstock and Stock Adapter.- 7.62x39mm]]

Oh jesus christ. What they have done to that AK ?

It looks more like a typical M4 stock to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:29, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
::So what? Vltor Modstock sounds cooler.

:::I don't care what "sounds cooler". It's a regular M4 stock, '''not''' a Vltor Modstock. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Whatever you want to call it the thing looks revolting. Anyone who tries to "tacticool" an AK should be shot in the face by a true AK. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 22:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

:Homicidal much? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

anyone know what kind of muzzle brake/flash hider that is--[[User:Anarchy66660|Anarchy66660]] 21:40, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

== AK-101, AK-102, AK-103 etc. ==

Shouldn't all "black AKs" be in the AK-74 page?
They are just AK-74M in different calibres, and they have AK-74M style muzzle brake and plastic side-folding buttstock.

== Draco Pistol ==
Should we make a section for the Romanian Draco Pistol on the AK-47 page or does it get its own article? Please tell me.
:Unless it has been seen in a film then it does not get a mention. If it is a 7.62X39mm AK pistol then yes it goes on this page. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:22, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

==Hungarian AK==
Isn't the Hungarian FEG AK-63 considered a gun that is not custom? It was made in Hungary, but the company that made it has gone bankrupt and is defunct now. Shouldn't the AK-63 get it's own section?

==The Cold War==
Although weapons from Warsaw pact nations were banned from importation to the US during the Cold War. Did any criminals tried smuggling them into the US?
:What would be the point? Criminals aren't gun collectors. They only want guns they can buy for criminal purposes. An AK from China shoots just a good as a real AK from Russia. I suppose Individual weapons WERE brought in during the embargo and were found at crime scenes. In California a North Korean Silenced PPS-43 was found at a drug dealer's house but that could have been a 'not amnesty' pre 68 bringback from Nam or Korea.

==Villan weapon==
While I understand the reasons for doing so, I still belive these weapons get a bad deal from Hollywood which always casts them as the "Bad Guy's Gun" even though many nations and rebel groups supported by the U.S. have also used Kalashnikovs.

I think it's because in the real world AKs are the most obtainable assault rifle. It stands to reason that most villains in films would have an AK of some sort. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:14, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

==AK 46, AK 47, AK==
Actualy correct name of the Avtomat Kalashnikova is AK (without 47). AK 46 and AK 47 was esperemental models and serial model is "Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947 year "AK". You also can see it on original NSD (I had photo but now can't find).
Also model called AK now using nowhere, except Africa maybe. This model was quickly changed by AKM, what known in USA as AK 47 7.62х39mm. Only models after AK 74 have numbers in their names.
P.S. Sorry for my terrible english, I whould explain better on esperanto or russian.

== Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater's AMD-65s ==

You forgot to make a video game entree for Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater in the AMD-65 section, the Ocelot Unit uses AMD-65/63 in the game.

== AK-101 and AK-103 ==

Shouldn't they be moved to AK-74 article? They are AK-74M chambered for different rounds.
As far I'm moving AK-101 hence it is practically the same as AK-74 --[[User:RussianTrooper|RussianTrooper]] 19:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::No, all 5.56x45mm AK variants are on this page along with the original 7.62x39mm. All 5.45x39mm AK variants are on the AK74 page. Do NOT change it. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Franken-AK ==
Stumbled across this monstrosity while surfing the other day. Only thing I can think to say is...WTF??? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::That's not an AK, but a SAIGA (with a probably Photoshop Job) mpm

look fake

[[Image:WTF1.JPG]]

:- Well, MPM would know photoshop jobs. :b Lol, that's is the most fucked up shit I've seen in a while. Bah! [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

:::That's only slightly 'shopped. I'll post the original. -protoAuthor 21:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:K178977 k79867 saiga.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The original]]

== Question about AK actions ==

I was wondering, when firing an AK-series rifle, does the bolt lock back in the open position after the last round as with [[M16 rifle series|M16-series]] rifles, or does it come back closed again? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:24, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
: Normally, NO! But the Yugoslav models had a modified bolt that when used with a Yugoslav magazine with a modified follower, would lock the bolt open on the last round. BUT, when the magazine was removed, the bolt closed anyway. The bolt would not lock back if another magazine type was used. Sometimes a notch was cut into the selector to hold the bolt back but this only worked when the selector was set to safe after you pulled the bolt back. ''Wraith''

== What AK is this? ==

I'm currently doing some recapping for a big edit of the [[Ultimate Force]] page and came across this gun:
[[File:Vlcsnap-2011-03-30-16h26m46s158.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
As far as I can tell, it has a stamped upper and lower receiver, folding stock, ported gas tube, slanted muzzle and open front sights. I can't find a variant on this page that fits, so is this a franken-gun, or something not listed here? Also ,the gun does actually fire blanks so it isn't an airsoft gun or replica. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:34, 30 March 2011 (CDT)

Looks like a AKMS ([http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/AK-47#AKMS]). You would have to look at receiver markings to get a more detailed description. ''Wraith''

:It's an AKMS, but yeah, it has a ported gas tube and smooth front hand guard (which are features found on the AKS-47). I would say it's an AKMS with AKS-47 parts. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:31, 31 March 2011 (CDT)

::We recently discovered a Hungarian AKM that has the AK47/Type 56 style gas tube. It's a FEG variant that was only exported to Europe and not the U.S> during the 1980s which explains why British armorers have it and American ones do not. Check out ([http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/AK-47#FEG NGM-81]). Note that nearly everyone removed the ugly factory PKM flash hider and replaced it with something more conventional. The underfolder version of this gun was called the NGV-81. :) Since the NGM-81 was built in 5.56mm only, I will investigate further if the Hungarians built any other AKS from this particular lineage, chambered in 7.62x39mm. IF so then we're in business. I will let everyone know if I find something. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:30, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
:::Thanks, did a bit of looking at other FEG variants, and it seems a pretty close match for the under-folding variant of the SA-85. Only difference I can see is the different colour hand-guards. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:53, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
:::[[File:FEG SA-85.jpg|thumb|500px|none|FEG SA-85 - 7.62x39mm]]
I know this might be slightly off-topic, but the guy in that shot looks like he's wearing German flecktarn camo used by the Bundeswehr. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:35, 10 June 2011 (CDT)

Could be an AKS47 with an AKM muzzle break (is that what they're called?) --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:17, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
: If it was originally an AKS it would have a milled rather than stamped receiver. Also, the front sight is of the AKM type. I agree with MT2008 that it is an AKM with some parts changed. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:00, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

::It certainly looks to have been cannibalised from several; by the looks of things, the gas tube is from a different gun to the lower handguard, for a start (check out how the top and bottom of the handguard aren't anywhere near the same colour or level of wear). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:08, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

:::Too me, it's just a AKMS with some parts (gas tube, lower handguard) from a AK-47. AK parts are mixed and matched a lot. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:28, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
::::I think that statement is incorrect on the AK-47 versus AKM, if that is what you are talking about. not sure what you meant, but different AK-47 parts are interchangeable with other AK-47 guns and different AKM parts are interchangeable with other AKM guns, but the AKM Parts are NOT easily interchangeable with the AK-47. Though it can happen and has, it's a hassle. If you use the AK-47/Type 56 style gas tube with the gas relief holes in it, you CANNOT use the AKM gas block (which has the gas relief holes in it's tube ring). You have to use the solid AK-47/Type 56 style gas block in order for the gun to cycle. Also the gas tube of the AK-47 doesn't fit the AKM (unless a gunsmiths does a lot of modifying). I know, I've tried and without changing, milling, grinding or welding the items, they just don't fit into each other at all. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:01, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::Okay, I see. Thank you for the brain nourishment. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:34, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

==Question about AK Part==

I was wondering, what's the thin metal tube that runs ''underneath'' the barrel of AK-series rifles called? I know it's not part of the gas system, as that's on top and the weapon still seems to be able to operate without it. Any help figuring this out would be appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:That's the cleaning rod. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:23, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== What do you guys think? ==

Last week, I was watching a Youtube video of a German WWII re-enactor firing an STG-44. I decided to post a comment: "The AK's Grandfather", and got multiple thumbs up (not really important, except for what happened later). What happend was I got some comments some saying things along the lines of:

1. You should have wrote AK's FATHER since there was no inbetween model.

2. Kalashnikov didn't look at the STG at ALL when designing the AK.

And then I got this: "@1Morey The MP44 most know by CoD fags as STG 44 was a good weapon, the problem is that it reached the warfare in 1945 basicly in the end of the war, so it was a failure, and the russians made the Ak years after. The Ak 47 was a failure too, it was just for military and it was on function only 1 year, then they made the Akm 47 wich alot of cod fags confuses it with the Ak 47. Please, seriously, do some research, Sorry for my bad english, p.s: I dont think you know too much about guns." - quoted by Andre232323232332323.

What do you guys think. It really seems to contradict everything I have read about the AK, and as far as I know, there is no such thing as the "AKM-47", I have heard of AK-47 and AKM, but not a AKM-47. I'm guessing this youtuber is whacked. I just want to know what you think. - [[User:1morey]] December 3, 2011 10:28 PM (EST)

Just an idiot who over uses the word "Codfag" and thinks he knows alot about firearms---P226 22:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)

: 1) AKM-47 is a crazy fantasy. 2) STG-44 is not a grandfather of AK. For example they has different system of locking bolts, besides STG-44 has a different way disassembly - it folded like a shotgun. Wikipedia says: "The AK-47 is best described as a hybrid of previous rifle technology innovations: the trigger, double locking lugs and unlocking raceway of the M1 Garand/M1 carbine, the safety mechanism of the John Browning designed Remington Model 8 rifle, and the gas system and layout of the Sturmgewehr 44. Kalashnikov's team had access to all of these weapons and had no need to "reinvent the wheel", though he denied that his design was based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle.Kalashnikov himself observed: "A lot of [Soviet Army soldiers] ask me how one can become a constructor, and how new weaponry is designed. These are very difficult questions. Each designer seems to have his own paths, his own successes and failures. But one thing is clear: before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field. I myself have had many experiences confirming this to be so" --[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 04:39, 24 January 2012 (CST)

== What AK is this? Part2 ==

What model of AK do this?
[[File:Equip armspic16.jpg|thumb|600px|none]]
This AK is something that appeared in the [[Ghost Squad]].
[[File:Jpn airsoft AKU.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Tokyo Marui's airsoft "AK47 β-Spetsnaz"]]
I think the Japanese airsoft Perhaps this good?--[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] 14:05, 24 January 2012 (JST)

==Need help on an ID==
I'm finishing ''[[Beyond Borders]]'' right now, and I'm stuck on an ID. The Khmer Rouge in the film have these AKs with milled receivers, but with the hooded front sight. It does fire once in the film. It could've been CGI, but I think I saw an ejecting shell as well. The scene was filmed in Thailand. Any ideas? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:53, 31 January 2012 (CST)
:Does it have a pig sticker bayonet, or the bracket for one, as the original [[Type 56]] had a [http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as49/type56old.jpg milled receiver]. It could still be a Type 56 even without the bayonet, but having it would be pretty definitive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:15, 31 January 2012 (CST)
::Alas, no bayonet, but it looks like it may have the bracket. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:20, 31 January 2012 (CST)
:::Does it have a forward facing "L" shaped bit of metal under the front sight block, as this is the bracket that would remain. Do you have a screenshot? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:32, 31 January 2012 (CST)
[[File:BeyondB_T56_SKS_01.jpg|thumb||none|600px|This shot shows the milled receiver and the hooded front sight.]]
Yeah, they are early Type 56s. The bayonet is removed but bracket is still there. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:43, 31 January 2012 (CST)

They also have hooded front sights, indicative features of the Type 56. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:24, 27 February 2012 (CST)

== change ==

Due to the length, divide it into several pages? All the models official leave (AK-47, AKS-47, AKM, AKMS, AKMSU, AK101, AK-102 AK-103, AK104, AK-108). The rest can be placed on other sites wedłóg their businesses. Zastawa and Norinoco and Bulgarian Arsenal in separate articles. --[[User:Mateogala|Mateogala]] 07:42, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

Talk:AK Gallery

2012-04-04T21:47:00Z

Sentient6:

Um...This seems a little too broad, what are the Dragunov and AS Val doing on a page about AK variants? I doubt even the average non-gunny moviegoer is going to look at an SVD and think it's an AK, though the average journalist might. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:44, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
:I totally get and respect what you are saying. As always, if you think it truly doesn't belong here, please remove it. Personally, I think it can help to identify the gun. As I said below, this page is NOT intended to be a lesson about the history of these guns, but to be a tool to help identify them. As always I defer to the knowledge and experience of my elders. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:28, 27 March 2012 (CDT)

A gallery is nice, but it would be nice to have an ID guide as well (like the M16 rifle series). I still have no idea what's the difference between a stamped and a milled receiver... --[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 16:47, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

== RPD, AN-94, SVD/Tiger ==

RPD, AN-94 and SVD/Tiger is not versions of AK! Please, READ MORE!!! You can find info for example in Wikipedia. --[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 07:08, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
: As well as VSS Vintorez, AS Val, AEK-971, Sa. Vz. 58. [[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 15:53, 27 March 2012 (EET)
::The page is for "the average movie-goer" though. How about setting up a separate "Often Mistaken for AKs" section. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 27 March 2012 (CDT)

ALL good points. Like Funkychinaman said, this is for the average movie goes and is to help IDENTIFY the guns. NOT a history lesson in which guns are a direct variant of another, though we can certainly mention on the page that the RPD (for example) is NOT a version of the AK, but simply resembles the gun. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:15, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
:I still do think we should have one section for actual AKs and derivatives, and another for similar weapons often mistaken for AKs. I know we're not supposed to be a weapons encyclopedia, but we can at least acknowledge that we know they're not related. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:20, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
IMHO I think they should stay on the page, except for the RPD as I don't think you could really think it was an AK variant, and it isn't like it was inspired by or designed with the same look/ergonomics of the AK-47 as it actually pre-dates it. As for the xections, I think a good split would be something like Russian rifles *ak-47, AKM, AK-74 etc.), foreign rifles (Zastava M70, Norinco Type 56, AIM etc.) and a category for those weapons that are inspired by the AK-47 but are a different design (Valmet, Sa. Vz. 58P etc.). I don't know what to call the last group, as "other" makes it seem like something other than Russian or foreign which makes no sense, maybe "AK inspired rifles" or something like that, or "AK derivatives"? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:53, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
:To use the term "derivative" implies some sort of design connection. And while you can say that about the Valmet or Galil, I don't think you can say that about the Vz. 58 or the Type 81, and yet I think most laymen would group them all together as AK's. So we have to accommodate the laymen while being truthful. How about "Commonly Mistaken for AK's" or "Visually Similar to AK's?"--[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:27, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
::With all due respect for the expert comments made above, I think this page is just great as a quick reference. This will save me (and many others I guess) lots of time browsing through all kinds of pages. Please do change the naming of the categories to whatever seems most appropriate, but do keep this great piece of work as it is, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 17:49, 28 March 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Breaking Bad

2012-01-09T15:20:58Z

Sentient6: /* DEA's assault rifles in the pilot */ new section

Hank's Glock is .40 cal as stated in the first episode so its a Glock 22 not a 17. Also here are the other guns from the first season: S&W4506, Ruger GP100, HK416, and in the first episode of season two jesse buys a snub nosed 5 shot revolver.

== M4 ==

The M4 claimed to be used by Tuco seems to be a CAR-15

Yeah I don't know what the make and model of the snub nosed revolver is yet. Thanks for the tip on the Glock situation, though.

==Negro Y Azul==
I'll have the caps for it by tonight [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Screencappin' ==

I going to screencap this series when the DVDs come out.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screencaps ==

I'm not a member of IMFDB, but how would I go about providing screens? I have the first season on DVD and on the day of the second season's release, I plan on purchasing it.

You can use VLC player to capture screenshots. It will capture them as PNG files, so you'll have to use a Batch image converter to convert to JPG before you upload your shots. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:You can set up the VLC player so it will capture them as jpg. Go to Tools, Preferences, then video and change the format from png to jpg.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, though my issue wasn't so much with getting the screencaps, as it was with uploading them. I '''have''' to be a member to upload files. It isn't a problem, I just didn't want to join with plans to only contribute to one page.

== Need Help ==

After going through both the first and second season, I do believe I have captured every instance of a gun on screen. I have a lot of screenshots of guns that aren't even mentioned or pointed out on the page. I don't know much about guns myself, so if I posted these extra images here, could I get some assistance with ID's please?--[[User:NinetyNineCent|NinetyNineCent]] 10:38, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

== Season 3 Episode 7 ==

I was wonndering, shouldn't we include the guns that appear in the truk scene where "the Cousins" are dealing with the gun-dealer. I believe that there are several Ingrams a TEC-9 and a M4 that can be included. Just a suggestion.

== Shotgun? ==

The tow truck guy threatened Jesse with a shotgun when he found him sleeping in his RV, just noticed it wasn't on the page. [[User:Diego Wolfwood|Diego Wolfwood]] 07:40, 6 October 2011 (CDT)
:I'm on that, if I just get the code to do what it's supposed to... --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 07:05, 14 December 2011 (CST)

== DEA's assault rifles in the pilot ==

Can anyone ID the weapons used by the DEA to raid the meth lab in the pilot episode? They don't look like M4s... But I may be wrong. -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 09:20, 9 January 2012 (CST)

Talk:List of gun abbreviations

2011-11-28T17:05:17Z

Sentient6: /* SPORTS */

=Non-English Abbreviations=

I'm glad this page is up and running, but since this is an English wiki, would it be possible to include translations for the non-English abbreviations on this list? I doubt many of us know all the languages enough to decipher the non-English abbreviations mentioned in this list.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 15:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

:I also don't know the Russian and Chinese ones and will be putting the English translation of them soon.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

=Discarded Abbreviations=

This will list those discarded abbreviations or those considered inappropriate for posterity or until someone higher up decides they belong anyhow. I contributed one below:

*'''EMAC''': Used to denote any ranged weapon that accelerates its (usually inert and relying solely on its high kinetic energy to deal damage) ammunition via '''E'''lectro'''m'''agnetic '''Ac'''celeration, to distinguish it from weapons that use chemical explosives to propel ammunition as conventional firearms do. Thus, EMAC weapons are not strictly firearms ''per se''. The term is usually associated with railguns and coilguns. Man-portable versions are commonly called EMAC guns, while vehicle-mounted versions are called EMAC cannons. "EMAC Rifle" is technically inappropriate, since this class of ranged weaponry does not require rifling of any sort in its barrel, but is often used to denote any man-portable two-handed EMAC weapon.

I'll admit it was a bit verbose, but EMAC weapons are not fictional anymore--they do exist, albeit in prototypical form, in the US military R&D, and I thought this kind of abbreviation would be a quick way to denote weapons of this type (as well as explaining what they are and how they are different from conventional firearms) in entries on this wiki. Some entries that feature EMAC weapons include [[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]], [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]], [[STALKER]], and [[Eraser]]. That's why I thought this abbreviation was important enough to include. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 15:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

*Removed it since this is a list of real appreviations, not ones we feel like making up. As far as I'm aware EMAC isn't a term used to describe magnetic accelerators. Also, the first railgun design was patented over a hundred years ago, the Germans tested a weaponised design in WW2, and any university engineering faculty can build a working railgun. They certainly don't just exist in military R&D (also, the research ones include prototypes by private companies: one's BAE Systems). Really, we need to add a seperate list of gun terminology if we want something like that (which would also let us define terms like clip and chaingun for the non-gunny reader's education), not just try to shoehorn it into a list of abbreviations it doesn't belong in. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:40, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

Sure, if you feel that way. I myself felt that EMAC was a term that could easily encompass the various slugthrowing electromagnetic weaponry on this website, without having to quibble and argue about whether or not the weapon(s) in question are of the railgun or coilgun type. For example, the "Gauss Rifle" in Crysis is modelled like a Railgun, but its name implies it is of the coilgun type (Gauss guns actually use the coilgun principle). Using the EMAC terminology would avert that kind of debate since both Coilguns and Railguns rely on Electromagnetic Acceleration to cause damage. And before you tell me that Particle Beams are Electromagnetic Acceleration weapons too (just using subatomic particles or ions instead of macroscopic projectiles), those count as Directed Energy Weapons and not Kinetic-Energy weapons. I think the admins should determine whether such an article encompassing this kind of general information would belong in the G.I. section. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:27, 24 April 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, but I don't really like the precident of being able to put made-up terms on the page, even with the best of intentions. An article about terms would be a good idea, but it would probably take a lot of writing; I might bring it up on the forum at some stage now I can post there. I could probably port over that list of gun accessories I wrote for TVTropes to here with some work to fix up the tone, too. Hell of a lot of effort that thing was. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:00, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

== PDW ==

I was going to try to add descriptions to some of the terms here, looked at that one, and realise ''I'' don't really know an exact definition for it. As far as I know, the term "PDW" was invented purely to market a version of the MP5K, and doesn't really have any fixed meaning other than "call your SMG this if you want it to sound cool" and some mumbling about proprietary rounds that makes no sense since the original was a 9x19mm Para and the Jatimatic has been marketed as a PDW too. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:52, 25 May 2011 (CDT)

== SPORTS ==

I'm a bit curious, what does the SPORTS acronym apply to? I googled it and found it related to clearing a stoppage..? I'm still not quite clear on it. An explanation would be very appreciated. -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 20:19, 27 November 2011 (CST)

Specifically the AR series rifles, but it actually does work with any rifle that has a removable magazine and a forward assist or (direct) bolt handle (such as AK, M14, etc). Its pretty much the rifle equivalent of TRB (Tap, Rack, Bang).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:26, 28 November 2011 (CST)

: It means Slap the magazine to check it is inserted properly, Pull the bolt handle, Observe what is inside the chamber and check it is clear, Release the cocking handle, Tap either the forward assist or the bolt handle to check it is fully forward, Squeeze the trigger (I always thought it was just Shoot, but much the same). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:25, 28 November 2011 (CST)

Thanks for the explanation! -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 11:05, 28 November 2011 (CST)

Talk:List of gun abbreviations

2011-11-28T02:19:56Z

Sentient6: /* SPORTS */ new section

Talk:Saints Row: The Third

2011-11-14T19:08:32Z

Sentient6: /* Sonic Boom */

="Fictional" Weapons=
==AS3 Ultimax==
The AS3 Ultimax shotgun is a new and improved version of the XS-2 Ultimax shotgun from Saints Row 2. By default, it comes equipped with a side-mounted flashlight that will toggle on at night. Once the Ultimax is fully upgraded, it looks and functions like a fully-automatic assault rifle that shoots buck shot. This is confirmed by David Payne, from his words on "Weapons Week - Day 1" on Saints Row: the Third official site.
[[Image:SW3 AS3 Ultimax.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The fully-upgraded AS3 Ultimax]]

==McManus2015==
The McManus2015 is the successor of the McManus2010 sniper rifle from Saints Row 2. The name was confirmed by David Payne, Weapons Art Lead at Volition from "Weapons Week - Day 1".
[[Image:SW3 McManus2015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The fully upgraded McManus2015 with a extended barrel, muzzle brake, hand-grip, and a bipod (Although it does not function in the game, says Payne); with dabs of a olive green finish.]]

==FIAJ==
The FIAJ, or "Fart In a Jar", is the last upgrade to the Flash Bang grenade. The name was confirmed by Seth Hawk, Weapons Artist at Volition.
[[Image:SW3 FIAJ.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

==Incinerator==
The Incinerator is a very large weapon in the hands of the character, and is used as a flame-thrower. The name was confirmed by Seth Hawk, Weapons Artist at Volition.
[[Image:SW3 Incinerator.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Sonic Boom==
The "Sonic Boom", is a experimental prototype weapon developed by [http://www.saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/STAG STAG], a antagonist faction in Saints Row: the Third. This is confirmed by Seth Hawk, Weapons Artist for Saints Row: the Third.
[[Image:SW3 Sonic_Boom.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"A fully charged sonic blast will move cars, bring down low-flying helicopters, fling props across the world, and completely obliterate organic life lifeforms" - Seth Hawk]]

Is it me, or does this weapon looks like it's been taken straight out of District 9? --[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 13:08, 14 November 2011 (CST)

=Discussion=

First page, will add media and screenshots later. Please don't delete.--[[User:Silver|Silver]] 10:06, 9 June 2011 (CDT)

== Help for identification ==

Could anyone help identify these guns ?

[http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/5809807754_19a2e187a3_o.jpg]

From left to right :

- Looks like the McManus 2010 from Saints Row 2
- This one is tricky. Looks like a SCAR-L/M16 hybrid
- 1911, aka ".45 Shepherd"
- Looks like a Saiga 12K
- MP7 ?
- Hard to tell
- Minigun

--[[User:Silver|Silver]] 07:21, 10 June 2011 (CDT)

From left to right :

- The McManus2015, the upgraded version of of McManus2010 from SR2. It's based off one of Barrett
sniper rifles.
- A custom M4 with various attachments, aka "AR-55"
- A 1911 variant, aka ".45 Shepherd"
- A automatic shotgun, aka "AS3 Ultimax", that loosely resembles both the Valtro PM5 Shotgun and the Saiga 12K.
- The "TEK Z-10", similar to the MP7 with a few differences, as the magazine holds 40 rounds.
- It looks like the AS3 Ultimax in one of the upgraded forms in SR3, but I am not sure...
- It looks like a Dillon Aero M134 Minigun with "chain-saw" grip

--[[User:The Humble Poet|The Humble Poet]] 02:18, 10 June 2011 (PST)

Talk:Saints Row: The Third

2011-11-14T19:08:10Z

Sentient6: /* Sonic Boom */

="Fictional" Weapons=
==AS3 Ultimax==
The AS3 Ultimax shotgun is a new and improved version of the XS-2 Ultimax shotgun from Saints Row 2. By default, it comes equipped with a side-mounted flashlight that will toggle on at night. Once the Ultimax is fully upgraded, it looks and functions like a fully-automatic assault rifle that shoots buck shot. This is confirmed by David Payne, from his words on "Weapons Week - Day 1" on Saints Row: the Third official site.
[[Image:SW3 AS3 Ultimax.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The fully-upgraded AS3 Ultimax]]

==McManus2015==
The McManus2015 is the successor of the McManus2010 sniper rifle from Saints Row 2. The name was confirmed by David Payne, Weapons Art Lead at Volition from "Weapons Week - Day 1".
[[Image:SW3 McManus2015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The fully upgraded McManus2015 with a extended barrel, muzzle brake, hand-grip, and a bipod (Although it does not function in the game, says Payne); with dabs of a olive green finish.]]

==FIAJ==
The FIAJ, or "Fart In a Jar", is the last upgrade to the Flash Bang grenade. The name was confirmed by Seth Hawk, Weapons Artist at Volition.
[[Image:SW3 FIAJ.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

==Incinerator==
The Incinerator is a very large weapon in the hands of the character, and is used as a flame-thrower. The name was confirmed by Seth Hawk, Weapons Artist at Volition.
[[Image:SW3 Incinerator.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Sonic Boom==
The "Sonic Boom", is a experimental prototype weapon developed by [http://www.saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/STAG STAG], a antagonist faction in Saints Row: the Third. This is confirmed by Seth Hawk, Weapons Artist for Saints Row: the Third.
[[Image:SW3 Sonic_Boom.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"A fully charged sonic blast will move cars, bring down low-flying helicopters, fling props across the world, and completely obliterate organic life lifeforms" - Seth Hawk]]

Is it me, or does this weapon looks like it's been taken straight out of District 9? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 13:08, 14 November 2011 (CST)

=Discussion=

First page, will add media and screenshots later. Please don't delete.--[[User:Silver|Silver]] 10:06, 9 June 2011 (CDT)

== Help for identification ==

Could anyone help identify these guns ?

[http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/5809807754_19a2e187a3_o.jpg]

From left to right :

- Looks like the McManus 2010 from Saints Row 2
- This one is tricky. Looks like a SCAR-L/M16 hybrid
- 1911, aka ".45 Shepherd"
- Looks like a Saiga 12K
- MP7 ?
- Hard to tell
- Minigun

--[[User:Silver|Silver]] 07:21, 10 June 2011 (CDT)

From left to right :

- The McManus2015, the upgraded version of of McManus2010 from SR2. It's based off one of Barrett
sniper rifles.
- A custom M4 with various attachments, aka "AR-55"
- A 1911 variant, aka ".45 Shepherd"
- A automatic shotgun, aka "AS3 Ultimax", that loosely resembles both the Valtro PM5 Shotgun and the Saiga 12K.
- The "TEK Z-10", similar to the MP7 with a few differences, as the magazine holds 40 rounds.
- It looks like the AS3 Ultimax in one of the upgraded forms in SR3, but I am not sure...
- It looks like a Dillon Aero M134 Minigun with "chain-saw" grip

--[[User:The Humble Poet|The Humble Poet]] 02:18, 10 June 2011 (PST)

Talk:Beretta 92 pistol series

2011-11-14T14:00:06Z

Sentient6: /* Question about M9 */

==Additional Variants==
[[File:Beretta-92FS-Vertec-SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Vertec - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SwordCutlass9mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Replica of Revy's Beretta 92FS Inox "9mm Sword Cutlass" in the anime ''[[Black Lagoon]]'']]
[[Image:STARGun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Replica of the Beretta 92FS "Samurai Edge" Custom from the ''[[Resident Evil (2002)|Resident Evil]]'' videogame franchise.]]
[[Image:DH3-Beretta92FS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A Beretta 92FS 9x19mm configured for left-handed firing. This is one of the actual Berettas (Four identical guns were used on set) used by [[Bruce Willis]] in the film ''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]'' ]]
[[Image:Bruni928mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bruni Model Beretta 92FS blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank.]]
[[Image:5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS fitted with AL-GI-MEC - 9x19mm used by Léon ([[Jean Reno]]) in the film ''[[Léon (The Professional)]]''.]]
[[Image:Trinity Beretta92C 9and10 4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Compact stunt props used in the films ''[[The Matrix Reloaded]]'' and ''[[Matrix Revolutions, The]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Blade2-1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|One of the Beretta 92FS heavily customized handguns, with huge blades at the bottom of the barrels, and laser sights were used in the movie ''[[Blade II]]''.]]
[[Image:EQBeretta.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A PhotoShop recreation of the Grammaton Cleric sidearms (heavily modified Beretta 92FS) - 9x19mm used in the film ''[[Equilibrium]]''. (The ones in the film did not have the Beretta logo).]]
[[Image:DSCN0157-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The Beretta 92FS pistols modified to fire on full auto with barrel weights attached, and added compensators were used in the movie ''[[Underworld]]'' - 9mm.]]

==Correction==
The Boondock Saints characters David Della Rocco and the McManus brothers were incorrectly listed as users of the Beretta 92FS. In the movie, the actual pistols used were the Taurus PT92 with optional suppressors. The Taurus markings are visible in the Carlo Yakavetta execution scene at the end of the movie and was also confirmed by the armorer for the movie and director Troy Duffy.
:Well your correction was wrong. Have you even looked at the page? Here is a screencap. That's definitely a Beretta, it sometimes switches to a PT92 in certain scenes. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:BSBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be."]]

==Curious Question==
The Beretta Centurion, is it simply a 92FS with a shortened barrel? Or is there something else I'm missing?

It's essentially got the Compact's barrel and slide, the normal sized frame, and a slightly shorter dust cover that doesn't really fit into either other category. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 10:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

==Just a reminder==

When you talk about the Beretta 92F or 92FS, it is not spelled "M92F" (as this page is titled), "M92FS", or even "92 FS" with a space in between the "92" and "FS". It's just Beretta 92F or Beretta 92FS, exactly as I have just spelled it. If you see a page with the older (mis)spelling, please do not hesitate to correct it.

And considering that this page has grown to include all of the 92 variants (including the SB, Brigadier, Centurion, etc.), it might be time to rename it. I would recommend re-titling the page "Beretta 92-series pistols". Anyone else agree? [[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==...==

Why not have more info on the 93R? Give it its own page?

I propose the following info 9 (and an image if possible; how do I place/upload images here anyway?)

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The '''[[Beretta 93R]]''' (full name: '''Beretta Model 93R''') is a selective-fire [[9mm]] machine pistol. The "R" stands for "Raffica" which means burst in Italian. It was designed in the 70s and meant for police and military use, offering extra firepower in a small package. It is perfect for concealed carry purposes such as VIP protection, or for close quarters fighting such as room-to-room searches.

A selector switch and the foldable foregrip allows the pistol to fire three round bursts with each pull of the trigger for a potential cyclic rate of 1100 rpm. The designers limited it to three round bursts to allow it to be more easily controlled. The 93R is basically a Beretta 92 series pistol (the Beretta [[92FS]] is designated '''"[[M9 Pistol]] M9"''' by the US military, and is the standard issue pistol for the US military). But the 93R is single action and outfitted with a muzzle brake, an optional detachable shoulder stock and a 20-round magazine that also allowed for a firmer grip. It is currently out of production.

The gun has been used in several movies:

* [[Face/Off]] a 1997 action movie starring John Travolta and Nicolas Cage and directed by John Woo.

* [[Equilibrium]] a 2002 action/science fiction film written and directed by Kurt Wimmer with Christian Bale, Taye Diggs, Christian Kahrmann, Emily Watson and Sean Bean.

==Title change==
I hope no one minds that I changed the page name, "pistol series" matches more of the titles on other pages and is easier to remember than "Series Pistols". Agreed? -GM

==Why separate INOX?==
I was just wondering if there were any technical differences between the 92FS and the INOX, other than the slide being stainless.

:Good question. Only because there are so many movies featuring the 92F Inox that if we didn't separate it from the regular 92F, we'd have to put notes about "Inox finish" in parentheses near each. Whereas most of the other Berettas with Inox finishes don't appear in nearly as many movies. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

What happened to the other Inox pic that was posted a few days ago? Could you send it to me, please? - [[User:Taurus96]]

==Die Hard and Lethal Weapon==
I've looked at a few of the Die Hard and Lethal Weapon pages, and there seems to be some confusion about which of the two Berettas on this site was used in each film. So, for future reference: which Berettas were used in the Die Hard films and the Lethal Weapon films? I'll put them up. Thanks. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:BerettaM92FS-DieHard2-4.jpg‎ |thumb|350px|none|]]
[[Image:BerettaM92FS DH1&LW1.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|]]

:What the Beretta page says is pretty much accurate. The first gun was used in both the first ''[[Die Hard]]'' and ''[[Lethal Weapon]]''. See how it has a custom extended slide release (due to Willis being a leftie)? In ''[[Die Hard]]'', there are plenty of scenes where it's possible to see that same extension on the slide release (most notably, during the scene where McClane is about to wander through the shattered glass). The second gun was used in the other three ''Die Hard'' movies and ''[[Demoliton Man]]''.

:Also, I don't know why people keep putting the ''[[Die Hard]]'' Beretta on other pages for movies which didn't feature that '''particular''' gun. It should only be used for pages on movies in which it's actually appeared, no more. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Ok, so the first one was in the first ''Die Hard'' and the first ''Lethal Weapon'', while the second was used in the other three ''Die Hard''s. Was the second also used in the other ''Lethal Weapons''?

::It's interesting how the ''Lethal Weapon'' pistol was the same one from ''Die Hard''. Obviously it was modified for Bruce Willis to use, but didn't ''Lethal Weapon'' come out a year prior to ''Die Hard''?

::As far as using the ''Die Hard'' image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from ''Die Hard'' is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site. Thanks for your help, MT. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Also, the Beretta used in the first Lethal Weapon was different from in the subsequent films because it had a gold Beretta logo on the grips instead of the black one that matches the grips on the Berettas shown here. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::''the second was used in the other three ''Die Hard''s. Was the second also used in the other ''Lethal Weapons''?''

::::I'm not really sure. When MoviePropMaster took the pictures of these guns, he said he may have got confused what movies they appeared in. But here is a picture of the second Beretta (and its "stunt double") in their display case at Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry:

::::[[Image:DisplayCase01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

::::You can see that the label next to the gun only mentions ''Die Hard II'' and ''Demolition Man'' as its movie appearances. But MPM '''did''' say he was specifically told that they also brought this Beretta out of "retirement" from the glass case so that it could have a cameo appearance in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' (as we mentioned on the page for that movie). I'm not sure if it was in ''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]'', but that strikes me as unlikely because that movie was filmed in New York and a different armory supplied the weapons for it. I'm also not sure if it was in any of the other ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' movies or not. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::::''As far as using the Die Hard image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from Die Hard is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site.''

::::Hmmm, to me, that's kind of stupid because there is so little difference between the 92F and 92FS. Not to mention that it's rather hard to be sure when one or the other is being used (the 92FS replaced the 92F in production very quickly, after all). But I would prefer that the ''[[Die Hard]]''/''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' Beretta only be used on pages for movies in which it actually appears. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::::I think they do this to movies that featured the Beretta that were made in the 80s. If I'm not mistaken, the Beretta 92FS came out in 1990, so they probably think it would be inaccurate to post a picture of the 92FS when the movie obviously used a 92F. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well that's all a moot point. I Just uploaded two shots of early Beretta 92Fs which can be used generically as opposed to the hero movie guns. Thank you thank you thank you, just leave a tip in the jar........ [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

MPM2008, you deserve a cookie. I have replaced the 92FS image and the Die Hard 92F in a few 80's films. But what is the best year to stop using the 92F? Lethal Weapon 2 came out in '89 and Die Hard 2 '90, they both feature the 92FS. Anything prior to '88? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:The 92FS actually came out in either late 1988/early 1989, so these guns were purchased IMMEDIATELY and used right away, which is rare unless it's a hot and 'hip/trendy' gun like the 92. Prior to 1989 there ARE no 92FS guns. PRior to 1983 there are no 92F guns (The ones in 1983 were actually 92SB-F guns which were the same weapon. There is NO stop use date for the 92F or even the 92S/92SB guns. As you've seen people still grab them from inventory as recently as now in films. Just because the Walther P38 technically stopped production at the end of WW2 (Walther's post war versions were actually named differently) we still see the P38 in films for the past 65 years. So in essence we're just taking a wild guess. The only things we can be sure of is when they are NOT being used (i.e. the year of production is too early for the model to have been sold). But any gun of any age can be used at any time. When in doubt and it looks the same, opt for the 92FS from 1990 on unless you can get a really good look at the shiny grips, then it's a 92F. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Awesome work on the new Beretta 92F pictures, MPM2008, they look great!--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I get what you mean about the 92F still being used today. But like you said unless you can really see the shiny grips or have a really great shot of the slide. You pretty much have to go when the film was made. I haven't handled that many Beretta's I didn't even notice the grips being different F shiny vs FS flat.
Here is a pic of my 92F. While the grips look flat, they're shiny it is just my crappy photo skills.
[[Image:PRE20-BER92F.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Also wouldn't a history timeline of the changes on the 92 be a good thing for the page? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

==TEST==

original list
* [[Will Smith]] as Lt. Col. Dr. Robert Neville in ''[[I Am Legend]]''

* [[Mykelti Williamson]] as Sgt. Drucker in ''[[Heat]]''

* [[Liam Neeson]] as Bryan Mills in ''[[Taken]]''

* Undercover Officers in ''[[La Haine]]''

* [[Richard Grieco]] as Michael Corben(Promotional shots) and Pierre in ''[[Teen Agent]]''

* Assassins in ''[[16 Blocks]]'' (fitted with suppressors)

* [[Jason Bose Smith]] as Little Henry, a carjacker, and LAPD officers in ''[[American History X]]''

* U.S. Army Rangers in ''[[Black Hawk Down]]''

* [[Sean Patrick Flanery]] as Connor MacManus, [[Norman Reedus]] as Murphy MacManus, and [[David Della Rocco]] as Rocco ("the Funny Man") in ''[[The Boondock Saints]]''

* [[Matt Damon]] as Jason Bourne in ''[[The Bourne Supremacy]]''

* [[Matt Damon]] as Jason Bourne in ''[[The Bourne Ultimatum]]''

* [[Diego Sandoval]] as ''Empty Gun Man'' in ''[[Desperado]]'' (fitted with suppressor)

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Lt. John McClane in the ''[[Die Hard]]'' series

* An L.A.P.D. SWAT officer, [[Alan Rickman]] as Hans Gruber, and [[Alexander Godunov]] as Karl in ''[[Die Hard]]''

* [[Nicolas Cage]] as Castor Troy and [[Dominique Swain]] as Jamie Archer in ''[[Face/Off]]''

* [[Sylvester Stallone]] as Jack Carter in ''[[Get Carter (2001)|Get Carter]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Tequila Yuen and [[Tony Leung]] as Alan in ''[[Hard Boiled]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Mark Gor, [[Ti Lung]] as Sung Tse Ho, [[Waise Lee]] as Shing, [[Leslie Cheung]] as Sung Tse Kit, and Triad gang members in ''[[A Better Tomorrow]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Ken Gor, [[Ti Lung]] as Sung Tse Ho, [[Leslie Cheung]] as Sung Tse Kit, [[Dean Shek]] as Lung Si, [[Fui-On Shing]] as Ko's Right Hand Man, [[Ming Yan Lung]] as Chong, [[Shan Kwan]] as Ko Ying Pui, and others in ''[[A Better Tomorrow II]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Ah Jong in ''[[The Killer]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as John Lee in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Detective Nick Chen in ''[[The Corruptor]]''

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Heat]]''

* [[Josh Hartnett]] as Detective K.C. Calden in ''[[Hollywood Homicide]]''

* [[Kim Bodnia]] as Harald in ''[[In China They Eat Dogs]]''

* [[Adam Baldwin]] as Major Mitchell, U.S. military and Secret Service personnel in ''[[Independence Day]]''

* U.S. Marines in ''[[Jarhead]]''

* [[Mel Gibson]] as Detective Martin Riggs in the ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' series ''(fitted with a laser sight in [[Lethal Weapon 4]])''

* L.A.P.D. officers and [[Rene Russo]] as Sergeant Lorna Cole in ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]''

* [[Jean Reno]] as Leon in ''[[Leon (The Professional)]]''(Customized with Compensators and Silencers)

* [[Jared Leto]] as Vitaly Orlov in ''[[Lord of War]]''

* [[Vin Diesel]] as DEA Agent Sean Vetter and [[Larenz Tate]] as DEA Agent Demetrius Hicks in ''[[A Man Apart]]''

* [[Keanu Reeves]] as Neo in ''[[The Matrix]]'' and in ''[[The Matrix Revolutions]]''

* FBI Agents and [[Jackie Chan]] as Chief Inspector Lee in ''[[Rush Hour]]''

* [[Dennis Quaid]] as Guy and [[Stellan Skarsgard]] as Peter Dominic in ''[[Savior]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[The Siege]]''

* N.Y.P.D. officers in ''[[Spider-Man]]''

* L.A.P.D. patrol officers and one of Montel's cronies in ''[[S.W.A.T.]]'' ''(the latter being fitted with a silencer)''

* [[Robert Patrick]] as the T-1000 in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]''

* [[Kristanna Loken]] as the T-X in ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Three Kings]]''

* [[Ethan Hawke]] as Officer Jake Hoyt in ''[[Training Day]]''

* [[Kate Beckinsale]] as Selene in ''[[Underworld]]'' (fitted with compensators and modified to fire full auto)

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Volcano]]''

* N.S.A. agent posing as a robber at the 'diner' in ''[[xXx]]''

* N.Y.P.D. officers in ''[[X-Men]]''

* [[Lou Diamond Phillips]] as Cisco in ''[[The Big Hit]]''

* U.S. Navy S.E.A.L.S., [[Sean Connery]] as John Patrick Mason, and [[Nicolas Cage]] as FBI Agent Stanley Goodspeed in ''[[The Rock]]'' (Connery and Cage using one fitted with a tactical flashlight)

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Lions for Lambs]]''

* [[Mark Wahlberg]] as Bob Lee Swagger in ''[[Shooter]]''

* [[Sylvester Stallone]] as John Spartan in ''[[Demolition Man]]''

* [[Jet Li]] as Gabriel Law in ''[[The One]]''.

* [[Steven Seagal]] as Nico Toscani in ''[[Above the Law]]''

* Police in ''[[Vantage Point]]''

* [[Steve Carell]] as Agent 86 in ''[[Get Smart]]''

* [[Scott Caan]] as Jones in ''[[Enemy of the State]]''

* Japanese soldiers in ''[[Battle Royale II: Requiem]]''

* [[Martin Lawrence]] as Miles Logan in''[[Blue Streak]]''

* [[Elizabeth Banks]] as Starla Grant in ''[[Slither]]''

* Shinji Mimura in [[Battle Royale|Battle Royale(Film)]]

* [[Tom Cruise]] as Ethan Hunt in ''[[Mission: Impossible 3]]''

* U.S. Marines in ''[[Behind Enemy Lines]]''

* Rookie Kincaid in ''[[Ghosts of Mars]]''

* [[Clive Owen]] as Louis Salinger in [[The International]]

* Minneapolis P.D. officers in ''[[Jingle All the Way]]''

* ''[[The Day the Earth Stood Still]]'' (2008)

* Omar in ''[[Traitor]]''

* Mace in ''[[Strange Days]]''

* An assassin in ''[[The Sentinel]]'', fitted with a suppressor.

* Detectives Curtis and Anderson in ''[[Unknown]]''

* Truck driver in ''[[Dreamcatcher]]''

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Dragon Wars: D-War]]''

* [[Andy Whitfield]] as Gabriel in ''[[Gabriel]]'' (dual-wielded with silencers)

* The corrupt police officers hired by Dominic Greene in ''[[Quantum of Solace]]''

* Kansas City Police officers and detectives in ''[[Mad Money]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Chev Chelios, [[Art Hsu]] as Johnny Vang, and LAPD officers in ''[[Crank: High Voltage]]''

* A member of the french national police in ''[[MR 73]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Courage Under Fire]]''

* [[Esai Morales]] as Staff Sergeant Stern in ''[[In the Army Now]]''

* [[Ed Harris]] as Sheriff Pangborn in ''[[Needful Things]]''

* [[Ed Harris]] as Frankie in ''[[State of Grace]]''

* [[Tengiz Borisoff]] as Josip Barada in ''[[Red Heat]]''

* [[Sue Price]] as Alex Sinclair in ''[[Nemesis 2: Nebula]], [[Nemesis III: Prey Harder]] and [[Nemesis 4: Death Angel]]''

* [[Barry Pepper]] as Mike Norton in ''[[Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The]]''

* [[Ben Kingsley]] as Frank Falenczyk in ''[[You Kill Me]]

* [[Viktor Sukhorukov]] as Victor Bagrov in [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS|Brother 2]]

* American cops in [[Brother 2#Police weapon on Viktor's detention|Brother 2]]

* [[Ben Kingsley]] as Xavier Fitch and [[Michael Madsen]] as Preston Lennox in ''[[Species]]''

* [[Larry B. Scott]] as Sgt. Charles Biddle in ''[[ Extreme Prejudice]]'' (1987)

* FBI Agents in ''[[In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders]]'' (continuity error)

==Distinction==
What exactly is the distinction between the Beretta 92F and the 92FS?
:The FS models have a slide retention device on the frame. Here is a pic showing the slide differences. The FS on top, F on the bottom. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Slide.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Variantons we don't have ==

We are lacking:

Beretta 92A1: 17 round mag, and a Picattiny-Similar rail under the barrel

Beretta 96A1: Same as above but is chambered in .40 S&W and haves a 12 round mag

Beretta 92FS type M9A1: Basically a civilian M9A1 --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 01:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

:Unless those weapons have appeared in any movies or TV shows, I'm not sure we need them on this page. Our goal is to document what appears in movies, not to make a comprehensive list of every variant that Beretta has ever made. As a general guideline, we don't add variants/pictures to a page if we have no evidence that they've appeared in any media. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 00:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Custom Grips? ==

I'm in the process of customizing my Beretta, and I've found something that I really like, but I don't know the name of the product. It's the kind of grip in the picture used for the Brigadier Inox, and similarly seen in this image here: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fP72_yZL4Yk/Sseqpb4zlsI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/1IvokqYHl30/s800/DSC_1636.jpg though I'm not sure they're the same brand of grips. Either way, though, does anyone know a company that sells grips like these for the 92FS? Hopefully at a relatively low price? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:Those look like Hogue grips. They are pretty common. Fairly inexpensive too. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== Could be better ==

I just personally think "why would they not do that?" Like getting rid of the rounded trigger guard, or not giving it a M1911A1 style safety. Not to mention they could add about half of an inch to the barrel. I have never been able to find someone who would customize my old 92F, half the time the telling after I told them what I wanted, they would say, "It can't be done." Of course, being I'm stubborn as hell, I kept looking until I just gave up. Are these custom features too much or just can't happen except in my dreams? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 05:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
:If you want the "M1911A1 style safety" wouldn't you be better off with an original 92 that has the frame mounted safety versus the slide mounted safety of all the later variants. The trigger guard could probably be reshaped, no problem. But not sure if the alloy frame would cause problems. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Or just get a Taurus, they are good guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Could someone explain this to me? ==

What is the benefit of purchasing a Brigadier over a typical 92fs? I have been attempting to research it, and can find no definitive answer.
:Stronger slide. The Brigadier slide is beefed up where the 92fs slide weak point is, at the the locking block area. That's the most common area for them to crack at.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BrigadierInox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS Brigadier Inox 9x19mm.]]

Thank you!

I have a question as well . i was on a page before and they refered to the 92FS as a "Lane And Weston" what dose that mean? simmons 8492
:Reread [[Monk#"Lane & Westen" (Fictional name for Beretta)|that page]], it says what it means pretty clearly.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 02:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

==Beretta 92SB vs. Beretta 92FS==
Aside from the shape of the trigger gaurd, what are the differences between the Beretta 92SB and the Beretta 92FS? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:The SB still had the traditional bluing while the 92F has the Bruniton finish.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::Could you give more information about the two finnishes? Pros and cons of each, the finnishing process, why they switched?
:::The Bruniton finish has the matte black look, it's supposed to be more durable than bluing as most other finishes are. My 92F is a former police gun, made in '87 I think. While it's got some wear. The Bruniton finish has done its job. The finishing process I have no idea. The finish on the frames looks to me like they stayed the same.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:PRE20-BER92F.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

==Grey's Anatomy==
In grey's anatomy, season 6 ep 23~24 it looks like the shooter was using either the 92 or the 96 I am not sure which. Can anybody verify? - [[User:teckchris|teckchris]]
:More likely a 92. 9mm pistols work better with blanks than .40s, and since so many blank-firing 92s are available for use, it doesn't seem likely they would use a 96. I saw the episode in question, but can't remember what the bore size looked like. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

I've created a page for the show, and put in a few entries from the episode. Posted a number of images of the Beretta, as well. [[Grey's Anatomy]] [[User:S. Wolf|S. Wolf]]

==LAPD version==
Does anyone know if the LAPD (or California Law enforcement in general) is required to abide by the 10rd limit they impose on civilians? I'm pretty sure the LAPD adopted this weapon before the limit was instated, however since it was passed are the uniformed patrol officers required to use the restricted capacity magazines civilians are forced to make due with? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

: It varies/depends on the particular state somewhat but generally no, law enforcement isn't limited by the same restrictions as civilians. After all, they do have selective-fire, short-barreled and/or suppressed weapons, and even access to restricted ammunition and other things. I'm pretty sure extra-loaded mags for their service semiautos are part of the deal. In some gun catalogs it states certain capacity magazines are available only to law enforcement. So, yes they can have full 15 (10+) round magazines. I'm not positive as to whether this applies to CA specifically, but I would think so. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

::I find that appalling. SWAT officers certainly should not be required to abide by the same restrictions as civilians as they are more highly trained, do not interact with the public often, and are only called when things really get hairy, but I don't believe patrol officers should be permitted to possess weapons that are forbidden to private citizens, as any situation they might encounter a civilian could be faced with as well, and, because they interact with the general public more, there is greater potential for abuse if the balance of power is too much in their favor. I don't want to sound like some kind of paranoid anarchist, however in principal I don't think the average cop on the street should be able to outgun every citizen he may encounter. Sure 10rds vs. 15rds may not be that big a deal, but it's a slippery slope. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

::: Again, I'm not too specific about all the uh, specifics. And some vary depending on which state you live in. Some civilians are allowed 'restricted' stuff, though not in many cases from what I gather. Still, I agree with you whole-heartedly. Granted I wouldn't mind so much about them getting a few extra rounds in their semiautos (one of the reasons they went to semiautos in the first place was higher capacity), but I hear you about the rest. 'Special' weapons of the sort SHOULD only be issued/used by SWAT teams and other 'special' units. Unfortunately, some cities/departments don't seem to care much in that regard, especially these days. The LAPD you're talking about is also the same LAPD that issued hundreds of military-surplus M16 rifles to regular patrolmen as a knee-jerk reaction to the 1997 North Hollywood Shootout, a decision that still holds effective to this day I believe. And other departments have followed suit (I have seen an episode of 'COPS' with a regular patrolman holding an M4-type rifle on a suspect). Anyway, I still haven't given you a definitive answer about your initial question, so before we continue preaching further, perhaps we should wait until we get one, though I'm pretty sure what the answer will be. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

::::What do you mean that "they" impose on civilians? LAPD are law enforcers, not lawmakers. And no, I don't think LAPD deserves to be subject to the same idiotic laws that civilians are subjected to. Just because legislators in CA are stupid doesn't mean the LAPD needs to be impeded from doing their jobs. And contrary to what you seem to think, LAPD officers are not going to encounter the same situations that civilians encounter. It is their '''job''' to put themselves out on patrol in dangerous areas on a daily basis, which means that they are statistically more likely to be at risk than civilians. I realize you hate CA's gun laws, but taking your anger out on law enforcement officers is hardly a rational response. You do sound like a "paranoid anarchist". -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:31, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

:::::They may not make the laws, but by enforcing them they give them credibility. Complacency is complicity, after all. And yes, the LAPD(with exception of SWAT) deserve to be subject to the same laws as civilians. Here in California, a Ruger Mini-14 is not an assault weapon, but an AR-15 is, despite both being functionally identical, save for a few ergonomic and cosmetic features. And when you consider that Assault Weapons Ban Supporters claim that the only purpose of Assault Weapons is killing lots of people(their words, not mine), it makes you start to wonder why every patrolcar has one in it. I didn't realize that it was the police's job to kill lots of people. 10 round limits are fine, but not the rest of it. As for the original question, I walk by a police station every other day, and I see in each patrolcar an AR-15 type SBR with a 20 round magazine(in addition to a riotgun). I've never looked closely enough to know whether they are full-auto though. So no, even regular police are not governed by the same restrictions as civilians here in CA.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 06:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

::::::It's their job to enforce the law. They don't have a choice. Plenty of people work in professions where they have to do stuff that they don't necessarily agree with. By your definition, anyone in California who obeyed the law (and doesn't buy 15-round magazines) must also be "complicit". Just because you disagree with CA's magazine capacity limits doesn't mean police deserve to suffer the same restrictions. And in case you've forgotten, at least civilians have the option of fleeing from scenes of violence, whereas a police officer's job is pretty much to run towards it. Take your ire out on politicians and their idiot constituents. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Inox film list==
Going to convert this to grid template. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Grid list completed, going to leave original list here in case of fuck-ups on my part.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

* [[Jean-Claude Van Damme]] as Alain Moreau in ''[[Maximum Risk]]''

* [[Jason Patric]] as Tellis in ''[[Narc]]''

* [[Jean Reno]] as Vincent in ''[[Ronin]]''

* Haitian gang members in ''[[Bad Boys II]]''

* [[Michael Madsen]] as Blood in ''[[Beyond the Law]]''

* [[Mekhi Phifer]] as Andre and [[Michael Kelly]] as CJ in ''[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)|Dawn of the Dead]]''

* Police officers in ''[[Ghost Rider]]''

* [[Ray Stevenson]] as Frank Castle in [[Punisher: War Zone]]''

* [[Viggo Mortensen]] as Tom Stall and several mafia henchmen in ''[[A History of Violence]]''

* [[Rowan Atkinson]] as Johnny English in ''[[Johnny English]]''

* [[Milla Jovovich]] as Alice in ''[[Resident Evil]]''

* [[Chris Tucker]] as Detective James Carter in ''[[Rush Hour]]''

* [[Lindsey Ginter]] as Holloway in ''[[Beverly Hills Cop 3]]''

* [[Flex Alexander]] as Clarence Dewey and [[Samuel L. Jackson]] as FBI Agent Neville Flynn in ''[[Snakes on a Plane]]''

* [[Michael Papajohn]] as the carjacker in ''[[Spider-Man]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter, The|The Transporter]]''

* [[Michael Gross]] as Burt Gummer in ''[[Tremors 2: Aftershocks]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Joe Hallenbeck in ''[[The Last Boy Scout]]''

* [[Tom Sizemore]] as boss Paulie Pintero in ''[[Enemy of the State]]''

* [[James Remar]] as Agent Markham in ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''

* One of Jack Travis' henchmen in ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]''

* [[Calvin Jung]] as Detective Ng in ''[[Lethal Weapon 4]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Art Jeffries in ''[[Mercury Rising]]''

* [[Damian Lewis]] as Yassen Gregorovich in ''[[Stormbreaker]]''

* [[Vin Diesel]] as Toorop in ''[[Babylon A.D.]]'' (fitted with custom compensator)

* [[Adam Goldberg]] as The Hebrew Hammer in ''[[The Hebrew Hammer]]''

* [[Terry Crews]] as Washington in ''[[Street Kings]]''

* [[Ben Foster]] as Mars Krupcheck in ''[[Hostage (2005)|Hostage]]''

* [[Andrew Bryniarski]] as Larry Eugene Phillips Jr. in ''[[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-out]]''

* [[Yau-Gene Chan]] as Peter Wei in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''

* [[Natasha Henstridge]] as Lt. Melanie Ballard in ''[[Ghosts of Mars]]''

* Police Officers in ''[[Strange Days]]''

* [[Simon Baker]] as Riley in ''[[Land of the Dead]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter 2]]'' (promotional material only)

* Ukrainian mobster in Chicago in [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS Inox|Brother 2]]

* Takashi Tsukamoto as Shinji Mimura in ''[[Battle Royale|Battle Royale(Film)]]''

* Valri Bromfield as Constable 'Miss Purdah' in ''[[Nothing But Trouble]]''

* OCP Security Concepts guard in ''[[RoboCop 3]]''

* [[Mark Strong]] as Frank D'Amico in ''[[Kick-Ass]]''

* [[Michael Gambon]] as Prime Minister in ''[[Ali G Indahouse]]''

==92FS Late Version==
I noticed that while we have separate images of most major weapons in each of their development stages, yet we don't have any images of post '03 models (the ones with the miscellaneous polymer parts and [http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/39/39954.jpg a tapered forward frame]). I browsed through all of the movies on the 92FS list that had a listed date after 2003, and the the only one that I could tell was definitely using one of the newer makes was ''[[Taken]]'' (you can see Neeson using one with the distinctive slanted frame in the second screenshot for the "factory black" 92F listing). To the various armorers on this site; are these just not that common in movie armorer stocks?--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 06:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::It's just not economically feasible to run out and buy every variant that comes down the pike and put into the armory. Especially since California is going out of it's way to make getting newer models of any type of firearm more difficult or more expensive (completely due to regulations and NOT the free marketplace), armories maintain many older firearms because there is no real upside in not only buying new guns and blank adapting them, but also the cost has to be filtered down to the customer, and very rarely does it make a difference to the story. Also, even if you're an FFL and have other permits and paperwork, many business are just not doing ANY business with the state, another facet which makes it more difficult [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

==INOX?==

Technically speaking, should it be "INOX" or "Inox"? And how do you pronounce it: ''ee''-nox, ''ih''-nox, in-ox or spelled out? Thanks [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 23:37, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

:The term "Inox" is short for "inoxidizable", which is a fancy way of saying the weapon has a stainless finish. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:24, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

==Just an amateur question==
I have a blank Beretta 92F pistol. Is there any way to tell that it is a blank gun? (I do not wish to rob a bank or anything like that, I just want to know how many changes did they make compared to the original model... :D ) [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 20:10, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:BlowF92.jpg|thumb|none|700px|My "precious" replica.]]

:It may just be the angle of the first photo, but it looks like they either gave it a skeleton hammer or set it further inward. It also looks like they removed some of the curvature from the rear of the slide. The magazine foot is thicker in the front, the lanyard loop is thicker and the extractor is longer.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:15, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

== Early Beretta 92? ==

Can someone tell me what exactly this pistol is? (pic from [http://www.berettaworld.com Beretta World])
[[File:92Maxi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
The site has it as the picture for the Beretta 92, but it has a couple of differences. Firstly, it has different grips that do not feature the Beretta logo, but I understand that these can be easily changed so could be spurious. Secondly though, the gun in question features a taper/step down in the slide just in front of the ejection port that I have never seen before. My assumption is that this is a very early or prototype Beretta 92 with a slide that was too weak, so the front was widened to the same thickness as the back for future models. I wouldn't normally care, but have found a pistol that matches the above one exactly, so want to know what it is:
[[File:UF 303 116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:25, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

What film is the screenshot from? --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:45, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
:Its from the TV series [[Ultimate Force]], am just getting ready to do a big update. They use the exact pistol multiple times, but the odd thing is that they use it in both blued and stainless versions (shown below). It had been suggested that it might be an early Taurus PT92, which apparently lacked the finger step (never heard of this though) but after finding the pic of the Beretta 92 shown above with the exact grips and slide, am pretty sure that is what it is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:39, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
:[[File:UF 102 35.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

Ah right. The picture has a higher angled hammer than a standard 92 style hammer. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:57, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== Pronunciation Help ==

How does one actually prononuce Inox? Is it Eyenox? Innox? And does it change depending on the country? [[User:TheHeartbreakKid15|TheHeartbreakKid15]] 17:51, 14 October 2011 (CDT)
:"In ox". It's short for "inoxidizing".--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:09, 14 October 2011 (CDT)

==Question about M9==

Is there actually a difference between the M9 and the 92FS, or is it simply a matter of a different designation, because the M9 is a military weapon? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 19:55, 13 November 2011 (CST)
:From the Beretta forum.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:55, 13 November 2011 (CST)
* The M9 usually has a straight dustcover and non-radiused backstrap (Contract Pistols will always be straight/straight)
* The 92FS (recent model) has a radiused backstrap and angled dustcover (The older 92FS pistols did not have the slanted dustcover.)
* M9 markings (including proof markings and cage # markings)
* M9 lacks the warning to read owner's manual
* The rear sight of the 92FS has 2 dots, whereas the M9 has a single half-moon
* M9 (unless special or limited edition) comes in cardboard box, with no plastic hard case

Thanks! [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 08:00, 14 November 2011 (CST)

Talk:Beretta 92 pistol series

2011-11-14T01:55:36Z

Sentient6: /* Question about M9 */

Talk:Beretta 92 pistol series

2011-11-14T01:48:38Z

Sentient6:

Talk:District 9

2011-02-28T00:08:40Z

Sentient6: /* Beretta 92FS */

==Unknown AK==
Could it possibly be a modified Saiga?

it could be a Kbs wz. 1996 Beryl. it would make sense, since most of the mercs use rifles that fire 5.56x45 and if i remeber correctly it
had a folding skeletal stock

==The RPG-7 looks like an AT4/something similar to me==
It looks too streamlined to be an RPG-7 to me. If it were an RPG-7, shouldn't the sights be at least a bit taller? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:Saw the film last night and I believe it was an RPG-7. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, just looks like the sights were never flipped up.

==Beretta 92FS==
I was watching this video and toward the end an MNU soldier is seen holding a Beretta 92FS. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7Cy9u_-O54 -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

It is Beretta 92FS or Vector Z88?

I actually think it's a Beretta 92SB throughout the entirety of the film, with the exception of maybe that last shot in the 92FS section where is kinda sorta not really looks like a squared trigger guard.I say this because it has an unfinished steel guide rod and a shinier than normal blue finish, something normally only seen on SB models, and aside from the one aforementioned screencap, you usually don't get a clear look at the trigger guard, but when you do, it's round.

== Anti Material Rifle ==

In the fight scene with the robot, the Anti-Material Rifle used to damage his mech-suit is a Denel NTW-20. Did not get a close enough look to see if it was configured in 20mm or the smaller, higher velocity 14.5mm.
Also spotted the Mechem BXP.
This one is the 20mm. Olly Steele.

== Trivia ==
This rifle are very familiar whit the HALO Sniper rifle S2 AM it says in the HALO Manual that it fires 14,5 mm armor piercing bullets
It have the possibility of be a Recicled HALO movie sniper rifle since the director of district 9 is the same who was doing HALO movie
this is a recycled HALO gun. search youtube for halo landfall or combat pt I&II there is a scene in it where an ODST trooper shoots brutes with it. note: this isnt a full length film its about 5-10 long.

:That's because the Halo one was designed AFTER THE MECHEM.-protoAuthor 22:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

the Mechem NTW-20 is a halo shout out, and there is a Half Life 2 shout out

==Drum fed large bore==
I didn't get a good look, but it appeared to be an Alliance Armament Wraithmaker drum on a Saiga-12 --[[Special:Contributions/173.173.112.176|173.173.112.176]] 03:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
==Alien Weapons==
I love how the main character's weapon of choice is a super-soaker-esque alien gun that shoots electricity, which he uses to make people explode in a hilarious manner-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Other alien guns are a ray gun that's like an anti-tank weapon, a mortar launcher, assault rifle, one that shoots sonic rays, a flamethrower, and some others i cant remember.

*Added some of the alien guns' actual name designations. -UW

== Message to Olly Steele ==
First off, glad to see an armorer posting on here on the movie they did. And great job on D9's weapons. But, what's up with Tunnel Rats? No offense. Also, what was that drum-fed weapon? -protoAuthor

What about 'Tunnel Rats'? It was quite a while ago that I worked on that. The drum fed weapon in D9 is the Striker 12ga shotgun. Olly Steele.

== FN FAL vs. R1 ==

I am sorry, but I cannot see how anybody can be sure that it is an FN FAL. The film obviously occurs in South Africa, and they obviously have access to a large amount of South African military technology (as exemplified by the presence of R4 series rifles, BXP submachine guns, SS-77 machine guns, NTW-20 anti-material rifles, Atlas Oryx helicopters, and Cassipir armored cars) so how can anyone be sure that this is not an R1. It fits all of the pictures I have seen of earlier-manufactured R1s (which do feature wooden furniture and contain Belgian-made components) and it only makes since that it would be an R1. Would the person who changed the article please present his case?[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think Olly himself edited it. He was the armourer of the movie. So if anyone knows if it's a FAL, it's him.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::If that is the case then I will believe him. Is there a way we can get in touch with Olly to confirm this? I would just like to be as sure as possible. It would also be nice if he coud explain his edits.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 03:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

:I just love the fact that we have a few real armorers in this site. Makes the job so much easier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::What's the name of that resturant that Wikus eats at? - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]
Something like Gunters -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]

== Page Setup ==

I like how this page is divided. What I mean is how you divide the guns into guns from each series (for example, making a section for the Beretta 92 Pistol series) and then subdivide them into each gun (making a subsection for the Beretta 92FS). I might incorporate that idea into future pages. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 15:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== AMR-B21 ==
:''"When hit the weapon's energy beam will insta-gib a human."'' 
I like to call it the "Splattergun". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 17:15, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== Got this on iTunes ==
I'll try to screencap some stuff until someone can do some better. Just gotta wait for it to download.-protoAuthor 03:29, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

=removed alien weapons section=
I have removed the "Alien Weapons" section based on the following [[IMFDB listing of Fictional Firearms]]

Namely the 5th rule> "Fantasy weapons which have no basis in real weapons technology do not belong here. So a Force Lance from "Andromeda" or a Klingon Disruptor from "Star Trek" or a Light Sabre from "Star Wars" do not qualify. No one would ever wonder if these weapons really exist today. "

--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:05, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Alien Weapons ===
Weapon names based on scientist's placards during test fires.

=="AMR-B05"==
[[Image:District95.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]
Prawn assault rifle used by Christopher Johnson in the attack on MNU headquarters
[[Image:D95.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Image found in online featurette, center]]

=="AMR-B07"==
[[Image:District9b.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]
Prawn flamethrower
[[Image:D95.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Image found in online featurette, righthand side]]

=="AMR-B13"==
[[Image:D901.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Actual prop]]
[[Image:D94.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Found in online featurette]]

=="AMR-B21"==
Wikus Van De Merwe ([[Sharlto Copely]]) and Christopher Johnson both use these alien weapons during the shootout at MNU headquarters. When hit the weapon's energy beam will insta-gib a human.
[[Image:D91.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Picture of actual prop]]
[[Image:D92.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Wikus with the Arc Gun]]

=="AMR-B43"==
This repulsor or sonic type gun was used to deal with the Nigerians.
[[Image:D902.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]

==Still unnamed alien firearms==
I think the pic below may just be a promotional image and feature a gun that was never actually used in the film.
[[Image:D93.jpg|thumb|500px|none|that's the mortar weapon used to blow up the side of the MNU building in the attack ]]
And there is a second unnamed gun being carried out of D9 by the MNU. This one is very large (seen below). Still looking into the source of the third.
[[Image:D903.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]
[[Image:D904.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]
The repulsor type weapon is the AMR - B13 and the large one that Wikus Van De Merwe finds ends up being a flamethrower type weapon that fires a green flame [[User:Taggartusmaximus|taggartusmaximus]]
*Actually the gun used on the Nigerians is smaller than the AMR-B13 and colored white and has three cylinders at the end (the AMR-B43). The large gun I was referring to is being carried out of District 9 by a group of workers. The flamethrower is the AMR-B07.

= Chronological order =

Why were all the specific weapons categories removed? Would it not be better to have the weapons be chronologically listed, but by specific type (pistol, rifle etc.); I'm curious, because I think some of the larger pages with many weapons (such as Street Kings or Hard Boiled) could benefit from such organization. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 03:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
:I removed the weapons categories because it was unorthodox - weapons categories digresses from the format of the rest of the website. You'll notice that the pages for The Matrix, Heat, Black Hawk Down, Terminator 2, (I could go on and on) are not formatted this way. Besides 26 weapons is not very much anyways....pages like the TV show Miami vice would be understandable in having a format that way because there is an insane amount of guns in that series. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
::I would not say the order in which the page was originally formatted was "unorthodox", because there are a number of other pages that also have similar formats, and there is no one standard that is stipulated on the rules page. Besides, it isn't as if the featured pages all have standardized formats either, since some have the most prominent weapons listed first, not in chronological order. Also, 26 weapons may not be a lot compared to TV shows with multiple seasons, but it is also a large enough number that anyone who doesn't know the exact name of the weapon they are looking for might find it problematic. I think that categories would be more useful for someone who doesn't want to read the entire page (and its numerous screencaps) if they are looking for the ID of only one weapon. A further question would be what number of weapons actually constitutes "many" for the moderators?--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 04:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
:I do not know. Something along the lines of the amount of weapons being overwhelming. 29 weapons is sort of average for an action film. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

=What is this?=

I'm not sure what handgun is in the foreground. It looks like a Walther P38/P1, but I'm not so sure if that would be common in South Africa.
[[Image:D9p38p1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

South African Police used the Walther P38 for years, before switching to more modern equipment, so the P38 must be readily available in the country [[User:Rafa|Rafa]] 11:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

can anyone get screencaps of the soldier prodding the alien and then being kicked like a motherhubba

if you can thanks

:~)

==RPK==

That's not an actual RPK. The receiver cuts are characteristic of the Galil/Valmet/R4 milled receiver. The milled RPK receiver cuts are the same as milled AK receiver cuts. That, and it's got the prominent Galil/Valmet/R4 magazine release lever.

=Minigun=
The page currently asserts that the minigun must be fake, because the muzzle flash appears in the centre. From the still image shown, the flash could just as easily be emitted from the barrel at the 3 o'clock position, which would be perfectly consistent with a minigun in certain mount configurations. What does it look like in motion? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 17:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Prop company? ==

I work as a gunwriter here in Italy, and I am trying to find out who supplied the guns for DISTRICT 9. Can anybody provide the name of the company? Thanks! --[[TheTranc]] 12:12, 25 August 2010 (GMT+1)
:Olly Steele was the armorer/weapons master for the film, I do not know what company he works for though. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 16:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

::Olly Steele has his own company, I believe, but some of the weapons also came from Hire Arms. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:District 9

2011-02-28T00:02:20Z

Sentient6: /* Beretta 92FS */

==Unknown AK==
Could it possibly be a modified Saiga?

it could be a Kbs wz. 1996 Beryl. it would make sense, since most of the mercs use rifles that fire 5.56x45 and if i remeber correctly it
had a folding skeletal stock

==The RPG-7 looks like an AT4/something similar to me==
It looks too streamlined to be an RPG-7 to me. If it were an RPG-7, shouldn't the sights be at least a bit taller? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:Saw the film last night and I believe it was an RPG-7. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 22:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, just looks like the sights were never flipped up.

==Beretta 92FS==
I was watching this video and toward the end an MNU soldier is seen holding a Beretta 92FS. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7Cy9u_-O54 -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

It is Beretta 92FS or Vector Z88?

I actually think it's a Beretta 92SB throughout the entirety of the film, with the exception of maybe that last shot in the 92FS section where is kinda sorta not really looks like a squared trigger guard.I say this because it has an unfinished steel guide rod and a shinier than normal blue finish, something normally only seen on SB models, and aside from the one aforementioned screencap, you usually don't get a clear look at the trigger guard, but when you do, it's round.

Not sure about the rest of the movie, but in Koobus' last scene(after Wikus is out of the battle mech), the Beretta clearly has a round trigger guard. I'll see if I can get a screencap, I'm not sure if I still have the movie. - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 00:02, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Anti Material Rifle ==

In the fight scene with the robot, the Anti-Material Rifle used to damage his mech-suit is a Denel NTW-20. Did not get a close enough look to see if it was configured in 20mm or the smaller, higher velocity 14.5mm.
Also spotted the Mechem BXP.
This one is the 20mm. Olly Steele.

== Trivia ==
This rifle are very familiar whit the HALO Sniper rifle S2 AM it says in the HALO Manual that it fires 14,5 mm armor piercing bullets
It have the possibility of be a Recicled HALO movie sniper rifle since the director of district 9 is the same who was doing HALO movie
this is a recycled HALO gun. search youtube for halo landfall or combat pt I&II there is a scene in it where an ODST trooper shoots brutes with it. note: this isnt a full length film its about 5-10 long.

:That's because the Halo one was designed AFTER THE MECHEM.-protoAuthor 22:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

the Mechem NTW-20 is a halo shout out, and there is a Half Life 2 shout out

==Drum fed large bore==
I didn't get a good look, but it appeared to be an Alliance Armament Wraithmaker drum on a Saiga-12 --[[Special:Contributions/173.173.112.176|173.173.112.176]] 03:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
==Alien Weapons==
I love how the main character's weapon of choice is a super-soaker-esque alien gun that shoots electricity, which he uses to make people explode in a hilarious manner-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Other alien guns are a ray gun that's like an anti-tank weapon, a mortar launcher, assault rifle, one that shoots sonic rays, a flamethrower, and some others i cant remember.

*Added some of the alien guns' actual name designations. -UW

== Message to Olly Steele ==
First off, glad to see an armorer posting on here on the movie they did. And great job on D9's weapons. But, what's up with Tunnel Rats? No offense. Also, what was that drum-fed weapon? -protoAuthor

What about 'Tunnel Rats'? It was quite a while ago that I worked on that. The drum fed weapon in D9 is the Striker 12ga shotgun. Olly Steele.

== FN FAL vs. R1 ==

I am sorry, but I cannot see how anybody can be sure that it is an FN FAL. The film obviously occurs in South Africa, and they obviously have access to a large amount of South African military technology (as exemplified by the presence of R4 series rifles, BXP submachine guns, SS-77 machine guns, NTW-20 anti-material rifles, Atlas Oryx helicopters, and Cassipir armored cars) so how can anyone be sure that this is not an R1. It fits all of the pictures I have seen of earlier-manufactured R1s (which do feature wooden furniture and contain Belgian-made components) and it only makes since that it would be an R1. Would the person who changed the article please present his case?[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think Olly himself edited it. He was the armourer of the movie. So if anyone knows if it's a FAL, it's him.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::If that is the case then I will believe him. Is there a way we can get in touch with Olly to confirm this? I would just like to be as sure as possible. It would also be nice if he coud explain his edits.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 03:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

:I just love the fact that we have a few real armorers in this site. Makes the job so much easier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::What's the name of that resturant that Wikus eats at? - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]
Something like Gunters -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]

== Page Setup ==

I like how this page is divided. What I mean is how you divide the guns into guns from each series (for example, making a section for the Beretta 92 Pistol series) and then subdivide them into each gun (making a subsection for the Beretta 92FS). I might incorporate that idea into future pages. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 15:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== AMR-B21 ==
:''"When hit the weapon's energy beam will insta-gib a human."'' 
I like to call it the "Splattergun". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 17:15, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== Got this on iTunes ==
I'll try to screencap some stuff until someone can do some better. Just gotta wait for it to download.-protoAuthor 03:29, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

=removed alien weapons section=
I have removed the "Alien Weapons" section based on the following [[IMFDB listing of Fictional Firearms]]

Namely the 5th rule> "Fantasy weapons which have no basis in real weapons technology do not belong here. So a Force Lance from "Andromeda" or a Klingon Disruptor from "Star Trek" or a Light Sabre from "Star Wars" do not qualify. No one would ever wonder if these weapons really exist today. "

--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:05, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Alien Weapons ===
Weapon names based on scientist's placards during test fires.

=="AMR-B05"==
[[Image:District95.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]
Prawn assault rifle used by Christopher Johnson in the attack on MNU headquarters
[[Image:D95.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Image found in online featurette, center]]

=="AMR-B07"==
[[Image:District9b.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]
Prawn flamethrower
[[Image:D95.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Image found in online featurette, righthand side]]

=="AMR-B13"==
[[Image:D901.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Actual prop]]
[[Image:D94.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Found in online featurette]]

=="AMR-B21"==
Wikus Van De Merwe ([[Sharlto Copely]]) and Christopher Johnson both use these alien weapons during the shootout at MNU headquarters. When hit the weapon's energy beam will insta-gib a human.
[[Image:D91.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Picture of actual prop]]
[[Image:D92.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Wikus with the Arc Gun]]

=="AMR-B43"==
This repulsor or sonic type gun was used to deal with the Nigerians.
[[Image:D902.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]

==Still unnamed alien firearms==
I think the pic below may just be a promotional image and feature a gun that was never actually used in the film.
[[Image:D93.jpg|thumb|500px|none|that's the mortar weapon used to blow up the side of the MNU building in the attack ]]
And there is a second unnamed gun being carried out of D9 by the MNU. This one is very large (seen below). Still looking into the source of the third.
[[Image:D903.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]
[[Image:D904.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Concept Art]]
The repulsor type weapon is the AMR - B13 and the large one that Wikus Van De Merwe finds ends up being a flamethrower type weapon that fires a green flame [[User:Taggartusmaximus|taggartusmaximus]]
*Actually the gun used on the Nigerians is smaller than the AMR-B13 and colored white and has three cylinders at the end (the AMR-B43). The large gun I was referring to is being carried out of District 9 by a group of workers. The flamethrower is the AMR-B07.

= Chronological order =

Why were all the specific weapons categories removed? Would it not be better to have the weapons be chronologically listed, but by specific type (pistol, rifle etc.); I'm curious, because I think some of the larger pages with many weapons (such as Street Kings or Hard Boiled) could benefit from such organization. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 03:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
:I removed the weapons categories because it was unorthodox - weapons categories digresses from the format of the rest of the website. You'll notice that the pages for The Matrix, Heat, Black Hawk Down, Terminator 2, (I could go on and on) are not formatted this way. Besides 26 weapons is not very much anyways....pages like the TV show Miami vice would be understandable in having a format that way because there is an insane amount of guns in that series. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
::I would not say the order in which the page was originally formatted was "unorthodox", because there are a number of other pages that also have similar formats, and there is no one standard that is stipulated on the rules page. Besides, it isn't as if the featured pages all have standardized formats either, since some have the most prominent weapons listed first, not in chronological order. Also, 26 weapons may not be a lot compared to TV shows with multiple seasons, but it is also a large enough number that anyone who doesn't know the exact name of the weapon they are looking for might find it problematic. I think that categories would be more useful for someone who doesn't want to read the entire page (and its numerous screencaps) if they are looking for the ID of only one weapon. A further question would be what number of weapons actually constitutes "many" for the moderators?--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 04:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
:I do not know. Something along the lines of the amount of weapons being overwhelming. 29 weapons is sort of average for an action film. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

=What is this?=

I'm not sure what handgun is in the foreground. It looks like a Walther P38/P1, but I'm not so sure if that would be common in South Africa.
[[Image:D9p38p1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

South African Police used the Walther P38 for years, before switching to more modern equipment, so the P38 must be readily available in the country [[User:Rafa|Rafa]] 11:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

can anyone get screencaps of the soldier prodding the alien and then being kicked like a motherhubba

if you can thanks

:~)

==RPK==

That's not an actual RPK. The receiver cuts are characteristic of the Galil/Valmet/R4 milled receiver. The milled RPK receiver cuts are the same as milled AK receiver cuts. That, and it's got the prominent Galil/Valmet/R4 magazine release lever.

=Minigun=
The page currently asserts that the minigun must be fake, because the muzzle flash appears in the centre. From the still image shown, the flash could just as easily be emitted from the barrel at the 3 o'clock position, which would be perfectly consistent with a minigun in certain mount configurations. What does it look like in motion? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 17:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Prop company? ==

I work as a gunwriter here in Italy, and I am trying to find out who supplied the guns for DISTRICT 9. Can anybody provide the name of the company? Thanks! --[[TheTranc]] 12:12, 25 August 2010 (GMT+1)
:Olly Steele was the armorer/weapons master for the film, I do not know what company he works for though. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 16:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

::Olly Steele has his own company, I believe, but some of the weapons also came from Hire Arms. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Soldier of Fortune (VG)

2011-02-22T19:20:43Z

Sentient6: /* Screenshots */

==Desert Eagle==

The 44. Magnum version of the Desert Eagle does actually have 9 rounds, it's the 50. AE version that only has 7.

''- Flying Dane''
:No the The .44 Magnum version of the Desert Eagle holds 8, it's the .357 Magnum version that holds 9. :/ Oh, and the placement of the dot in calibers goes before the number, not after it.

== Screenshots ==

I think I still have the game, I'll be willing to take screens of the in-game weapons. But I have no idea how to properly edit a wiki page, so someone else would have to actually build the page - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:I'll help. Take some screenshots of each of the weapons and upload them somewhere ([http://imgur.com/ Imgur] is a good place). Then give me a link to them, and I'll build the page. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 19:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, I got the first batch. Also, i noticed that the first-person weapon models are much more detailed than world models. World models just look like blocky.. well, blocks.

"Black Panther 9mm"

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen003-4.jpg - idle

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen016-2.jpg - idle 2

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen015-1.jpg - reloading

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen020.jpg - looks like it has an extended magazine

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen012-1.jpg - world view

"Silver Talon .45"

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen042.jpg - idle 1

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen040.jpg - idle 2

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen039.jpg - idle 3 (the tear drop safety is really noticeable here)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen043.jpg - world view

"Raptor SMG"

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen044.jpg - idle

I'll add more later. - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 19:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Soldier of Fortune (VG)

2011-02-22T19:20:04Z

Sentient6: /* Screenshots */

==Desert Eagle==

The 44. Magnum version of the Desert Eagle does actually have 9 rounds, it's the 50. AE version that only has 7.

''- Flying Dane''
:No the The .44 Magnum version of the Desert Eagle holds 8, it's the .357 Magnum version that holds 9. :/ Oh, and the placement of the dot in calibers goes before the number, not after it.

== Screenshots ==

I think I still have the game, I'll be willing to take screens of the in-game weapons. But I have no idea how to properly edit a wiki page, so someone else would have to actually build the page - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:I'll help. Take some screenshots of each of the weapons and upload them somewhere ([http://imgur.com/ Imgur] is a good place). Then give me a link to them, and I'll build the page. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 19:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, I got the first batch. Also, i noticed that the first-person weapon models are much more detailed than world models. World models just look like blocky.. well, blocks.

"Black Panther 9mm"
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen003-4.jpg - idle
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen016-2.jpg - idle 2
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen015-1.jpg - reloading
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen020.jpg - looks like it has an extended magazine
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen012-1.jpg - world view

"Silver Talon .45"
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen042.jpg - idle 1
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen040.jpg - idle 2
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen039.jpg - idle 3 (the tear drop safety is really noticeable here)
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen043.jpg - world view

"Raptor SMG"
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen044.jpg - idle

I'll add more later. - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 19:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Soldier of Fortune (VG)

2011-02-22T19:19:13Z

Sentient6: /* Screenshots */

==Desert Eagle==

The 44. Magnum version of the Desert Eagle does actually have 9 rounds, it's the 50. AE version that only has 7.

''- Flying Dane''
:No the The .44 Magnum version of the Desert Eagle holds 8, it's the .357 Magnum version that holds 9. :/ Oh, and the placement of the dot in calibers goes before the number, not after it.

== Screenshots ==

I think I still have the game, I'll be willing to take screens of the in-game weapons. But I have no idea how to properly edit a wiki page, so someone else would have to actually build the page - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:I'll help. Take some screenshots of each of the weapons and upload them somewhere ([http://imgur.com/ Imgur] is a good place). Then give me a link to them, and I'll build the page. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 19:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, I got the first batch. Also, i noticed that the first-person weapon models are much more detailed than world models. World models just look like blocky.. well, blocks.

"Black Panther 9mm"
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen003-4.jpg - idle

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen016-2.jpg - idle 2

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen015-1.jpg - reloading

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen020.jpg - looks like it has an extended magazine

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen012-1.jpg - world view

"Silver Talon .45"
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen042.jpg - idle 1

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen040.jpg - idle 2

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen039.jpg - idle 3 (the tear drop safety is really noticeable here)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen043.jpg - world view

"Raptor SMG"
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen044.jpg - idle

I'll add more later. - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 19:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Soldier of Fortune (VG)

2011-02-22T19:18:49Z

Sentient6:

==Desert Eagle==

The 44. Magnum version of the Desert Eagle does actually have 9 rounds, it's the 50. AE version that only has 7.

''- Flying Dane''
:No the The .44 Magnum version of the Desert Eagle holds 8, it's the .357 Magnum version that holds 9. :/ Oh, and the placement of the dot in calibers goes before the number, not after it.

== Screenshots ==

I think I still have the game, I'll be willing to take screens of the in-game weapons. But I have no idea how to properly edit a wiki page, so someone else would have to actually build the page - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:I'll help. Take some screenshots of each of the weapons and upload them somewhere ([http://imgur.com/ Imgur] is a good place). Then give me a link to them, and I'll build the page. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 19:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, I got the first batch. Also, i noticed that the first-person weapon models are much more detailed than world models. World models just look like blocky.. well, blocks.

"Black Panther 9mm"
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen003-4.jpg - idle
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen016-2.jpg - idle 2
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen015-1.jpg - reloading
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen020.jpg - looks like it has an extended magazine
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen012-1.jpg - world view

"Silver Talon .45"
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen042.jpg - idle 1
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen040.jpg - idle 2
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen039.jpg - idle 3 (the tear drop safety is really noticeable here)
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen043.jpg - world view

"Raptor SMG"
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/XanderKage/Screen044.jpg - idle

I'll add more later. - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 19:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Predators (2010)

2011-02-20T22:41:59Z

Sentient6: /* Blaser R93 LRS2 */

==Behind the Scenes Images==
===AA-12===
[[Image:Predators03a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming Royce [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|[[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Predators09a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]
[[Image:Predators08a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|An alternate angle of a behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]

===Minigun===
[[Image:Predators15a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] with his M134 Minigun]]
[[Image:Predators16a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] as he fires his M134 Minigun]]

===Blaser===
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]

===Custom Beretta 92FS Inox===
[[Image:Predators14a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of [[Louis Changchien|Louis Ozawa Changchien]] firing his Beretta 92FS with compensator - 9mm]]

===AKMS===
[[Image:Predators10a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew and [[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]] aiming his AKMS rifle - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Predator02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Mombasa relaxes between takes against a tree. He has an underfolder AK - 7.62x39mm]]
===M1911A1===
[[Image:Predators43.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The dead American holding the M1911A1.]]

===MP5K===

[[Image:Predators5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cuchillo with his MP5K's. Note the barrel of his 1911 holstered at the back of his belt]]
http://www.predators-movie.com/wallpapers/wallpaper6_standard.jpg mp5k's have Native American covers on the foregrips, also appears to be linked up to shoulder rigs like Alice's from Resident Evil Apocalypse

==Mombasa (Mahershalalhashbaz Ali) , the member of an RUF death squad gun?????==

He had a gun, he uses it once, when he put it in the convicts face, does aby body knows what gun was that????, it looked like a 45.

It was a 1911, read the full discussion and youd see Id already covered this, plus sign your posts - Captain Snikt

==anyone seen this yet?==

wondering if its any good -k9870

nm, noticed its out next week

adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
*I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--[[Special:Contributions/86.21.136.74|86.21.136.74]] 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.
:Eh, Brody has all of the components of being badass, but hes just...adrian brody. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]
Brody plays the part very, very well. He acts like a badass, he fights like a badass, and he is just, generally, a badass. Sure, in the trailer, he doesn't look the part, but by the end of the movie, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy author in Kong, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy Jew in the Pianist. He's just Royce. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed, but i cant get the jew/author out of my head when i saw the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

i love predator , even the crappie ones with the aliens , and i saw it and i felt that this is the best sequal to date . but of course arnie is the winner."GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" simmons 8492

== youtube content==

if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons.

Adrien Brody was a good choice. I mean, most soldiers aren't as big as Arnie, most are just wiry but still really tough.

== How do you know about the guns? ==

I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.

From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
[http://www.predators-movie.com/]

Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

::Sorry Dillinger. I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Predators 9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]

[[Image:Predators 10.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]
[[Image:Predators12a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]

== Minigun? ==

I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

http://io9.com/5493337/screen-shots-predator/gallery/17

Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2" and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5" andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and "Ol' Painless" looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.

I've seen a minigun in a meuseam, it's actualy pretty small. BTW, how do we know about the script? Did some one of the armorers on here see it and then post here?

There was A LOT of forced perspective used in Predator to make the Minigun look more impressive. There were more shots devoted to showcasing the weapon than the two guys carrying it. There are some behind the scenes shots of Jesse carrying the weapon and it doesn't look so massive. The M60 foregrip assembly also adds a fair bit of bulk to the weapon, which isn't present in any other incarnation of the Minigun. In reality the overall length of a handheld M134 falls somewhere between an M4 and an M16. The XM214 is even smaller.

Anyone know what tac vest and backpack Nikolai had on? --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]]

haven't seen the movie yet but could be one of these
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/STRIKE-LBE-Harness,53,2.htm
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/STRIKE-Commando-Recon-Chest-Harness,721,129.htm

==Royce==
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

looks like MEU SOC variant although I cant be sure

Technically speaking, ''nobody'' in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but ''carrying'' and ''using'' are two different things. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that is handgun is a kimber desert warrior

[[Image:KimberDesertWarrior.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MEU(SOC) Pistol\Kimber Desert Warrior, .45 ACP.]]

Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the "II" kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a "Moron" but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911. There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out "its a Kimber narf" --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone know who makes the tactical vest the royce character wore in the film? love that extra shell capacity. great movie too. holds up to the orig. imo.

:It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Miltec makes these vests in various colors they cost 40 dollars or something like that often used by airsofters

it looks like a Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest without the pouches, NorthwestShooterSupply.com has what I can see is the closed thing to it, aside from his is wore/dirty and the clips on Royce's are Tan, NWSS.com's are black. Buts it's damn close, and if you want the shell holder Royce has on his chest, their 215 Gear Shotgun Shell Holder Vertical, google it. Now how he riggs the knife between the holder and the vest "is up in the air."

Just got my Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest, it's exactly like his, even the front buckle and side reliefs are tan. O.o

No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber, WHAT A SHOCK! Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec.. Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) [[PunisherDave]]

==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...==
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this.
I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks ''AND'' UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler & Koch PSG1 in the script.
[[Image:Preds004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Danny Trejo is holding two MP5Ks, not UZIs. It is highly unlikely he'll be having two UZI's strapped to his back, since the script only mentioned two UZIs (which have obviously been changed into two MP5Ks.)]] -- [[User: Warejaws|Warejaws]], March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)
*I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:: I dont think a sniper rifle is the best weapon to use ageist a predator.

a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. "There it is!" bang. bang. Movie over.

Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. [[Spades of Columbia]]

true, but the only problem is finding it when it cloaked

:I don't think that would be too much of a problem for a sniper. Remember, they're hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.
:::I'm talking about ''snipers''. Snipers are hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Replaced Weapons ==

Predators was originally Predator 3 written in 1993, so probably the Weapons were changed with more modern Guns. One thing that bothered me was why replace a Micro Uzi with MP5k's. I guess the modern equivilent would have been the MP7.
:Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Cartels dont usually stroll around with super high tec wepons. A mp5 makes more sense than an mp7.

I agree, look at No Country for old man, plus where would he even get a steady flow of ammo for a MP7.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

It's a big budge movie. They coulda gotten the most advanced and obscured guns never seen in movies yet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Just because it has a budget doesnt mean it shouldnt be true to its characters, I would hope they would go practical and logical instead of what might be considered "cool".--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Just seen it (spoiler warning!) ==

I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:So no "You ugly mother fucker" ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::Wrong! The classic line is included, in Russian. Nikolai says it just before he takes the Tracker out. A friend who speaks Russian translated it. Told me it literally comes out as "In your face," or something similer, but it wouldnt be a stretch to put it as "You're an ugly motherfucker." - Mikey

:::Yeah it's almost as bad as Terminator 3 not having "I'll be back" or "Come with me if you want to live", getting them replaced by "I'm back" and "If you wanna live come with me"... what's up with them not having trademark for the series in them? [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]

:::He doesn't actually say you are one ugly mother fucker. Before his death Nikolai says "Ну и рожа у тебя!", which can be translated as "What a face you got on you!". No mention of either words for mother or fucker, If we are being acurate --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

::::While he doesn't actually say "you are one ugly mother fucker," the Russian line "Ну и рожа у тебя!" is the exact line used by the Russian interpreter as the translation of Arnold's original in the Predator VHS copies circulating in the USSR back in late 1980's (back then, there was literally 1 main interpreter who translated every Hollywood movie pirated into the Soviet Union, in single voice). My guess is Oleg Taktarov actually knew this and suggested the line.

I love when the criminal is says to Chuchillo "come on give me a gun, you got two fucking guns, and you russian, you got a bigass gun give me something" You see all these holstered weapons and nobody gives him anything.

If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, ''he's the new Dutch''. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a ''little bit less'' now... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films ''Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me!'' --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone knows what the pistol Oleg was using?

-Tokarev? It looked single stack and about the same dimensions, and would make sense, didnt see any clear shots.

-Could it be some 1911 variant? It appeared to have a lot of recoil

I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a ''Predator'' fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

i didnt see the doctor twist coming and thought lawrence fishburne would be a main character, not just a small role.

Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

did anyone else notice that Brody didnt shoulder his AA12 once during this film. he always fired from the hip, maybe a lack in training given to the actors as he ment to be ex special forces? anon

I did notice that he never shoulders the auto shot, it was really bothering me for some reason, so I watched the movie again, in the opening sequence he seems to have dislocated his shoulder when he fell through the jungle canopy, he pops it back in with an audible snap. Perhaps the recoil is to much for the recent injury to take, I am not sure how much recoil an AA12 packs just trying to give Brody the benefit of the doubt. (Rob)

i love how he actually has them relaod, uses different ammo types and uses the light on his surefire forend. The bound predator was supposed look identical, they wanted a 'classic" vs super predtor battle.

So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It's possible (he never fired it, no need for blanks.) but unlikely.

What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Cuchillo never fired the 1911. Just his mp5ks.

No, he pulled and fired his 1911 on the Predator Hounds.[[User:Humanzie3|Humanzie3]]

Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, Spades is right. Cuchillo definitely pulled his 1911 and shot numerous rounds at one of the charging hunting dogs. Sort of like Brody should have done, instead of grabbing his machete and cutting it in half. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I was asking if I was being more raciest for assuming it to be a .38 super not for Trejo being cliche.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering, I know Royce's machete was the same as used by Billy in Predator, but does anyone know what type of knife he keeps strapped to his vest, behind his shotgun shells? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The knife is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C -John

== The Predators ==

I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Hanzo's Beretta ==

I'm looking at the pictures of Hanzo's Beretta right now (especially the second picture, where he draws it from his coat) and it's obvious that it isn't a plain Inox with custom grips and a compensator. I mean, it obviously has a compensator and custom grips, but the slide and possibly the barrel are both a different color then the frame. The frame appears to be from an Inox, but the slide and barrel look darker, so I honestly think it's some sort of tutone. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Not really. If you look at the other caps, the barrel is the same color as the slide, so it must have been because it was in is coat, the darkness made the barrel dark color. Some camera filters makes colors seem different [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the barrel and the slide are the same color. They are a different color then the frame, however, which was what I was pointing out. The slide, and the barrel, are different colors then the frame, and it couldn't just be a trick of the lighting, as no shadow is being cast on them that isn't also being cast on the rest of the gun, and it couldn't be because of the camera filter, either, since that would also effect the entire gun. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, as to something mostly unrelated, does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Since no one is disputing that it's a tutone anymore, I'm going to go ahead and change it. Can someone get me a picture of a Beretta that is tutoned like Hanzo's, with a blued slide and barrel but a stainless frame? Until then, I'll be using the closest thing I've got. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

"does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design?" I think Steve (User:Phoenixent) one of the armorers on this site built it. Knowing some of the work he's done in the past, it was probably custom built.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. I was thinking of getting one, but seeing as it's custom made, I guess I'm SOL. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 15:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::Ask him [[User talk:Phoenixent]] he's real good about answering questions, but it may take a while to get back to you.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes you think Hanzo's Beretta is Two Tone? It looks like an inox with ivory grips and a compensator to me. If you're talking about how the slide's darker then the frame, alot of Beretta inoxes are like that with the slide and barrel being darker then the frame, just look at this Beretta 92FS Vertec.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Beretta-92FS-Vertec-SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

Actually, while the picture you've posted doesn't have the same look as the one in the film, with a darker slide and barrel, but it does turn out that I was wrong, at least partially. It wasn't a blued barrel and slide on a stainless frame, it was a stainless barrel and slide on an alloy frame. Here's a message I received from the gun's creator.
::Hi Jack, I custom built the compensator for Hanzo's Beretta. The comp in integrated into the blank conversion of the pistol. I also checked my reference photos for that project and the pistol has a stainless slide and barrel with a alloy frame. I believe the the two tone look is from the lighting and lens filters during filming. Photo two showing him draw his weapon show that it has a stainless top end and alloy frame. Hope this answers some of you questions. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 16:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
So yeah, it turns out that while I was wrong about the kinds of materials that went into the gun, it is technically two toned, since, because of the camera filter, the alloy shows up as being lighter then the stainless parts of the gun. However, I'll leave it up to you guys as to what we should classify it as. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't think you can say it's "technically two-toned". The factory Inox finish (stainless slide/barrel and alloy frame) looks almost two-tone, especially in certain lighting conditions. I don't see what's wrong with calling it a Beretta 92FS Inox, assuming it did come with that finish from the factory (instead of being a blued Beretta that was later re-finished). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I swear uploading pictures to this site is the WORST !
But here you all go...thank me later...
[[Image:Predators33.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Promotional image of [[Louis Changchien]] as Hanzo with his custom Beretta.]]
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==moved from main page==
===Unknown 1911===
A [[M1911 pistol series|M1911-type pistol]] is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.
[[Image:Predators7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce's 1911 circled in red.]]
[[Image:Predators8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another look at Royce's 1911.]]
On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD
Black Kimber Warrior's do come with those grips stock. So I
m sure thats what it is.

-1911 style autos are so customizable that it could be anything, not necessarily a Kimber. Without a clear image of the stamps on the slide, it's not going to be possible to narrow it down to any specific 1911 model.

Your not gonna get slide stamps as the pistol never leaves the holster, though based on the grips and odd magazine butt plate I too say kimber

The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.

Looks like it has a nickel or stainless steel finish. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It did have a magwell like that. Just saw it. But you can get those after market to so dosent mean its a TRP 1911. The grips are Kimber tan ones. They just get dirty so kind look like ACU. Shame he never used it.

Kimber are not the only ones that uses or has access to G10 grips...there are other 1911 makers that use that styling of grips.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. It was standard with nickle finish. Pretty sure Cuchillo's was the same prop.

Dead soldier with hole in his chest also had a 1911 with the slide locked back in his hands. Funny, they said he was supposed to be in Afghanistan but was wearing tiger stripe!

--Cuchillo's sidearm wasn't "standard". It was customized with some kind of ornate plating. -- [[User:Warejaws]] 19:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I think spades is right. Unfortunately we will never know unless we contact the armorer. =(

So who made the final decision on this one and what evidence does he have? And how do you explain the Magazine well that has never been on a Kimber Warrior but for some reason is in this movie?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I concur with this. There is no clear shot of the slide marking showing the Kimber logo here, and there are MANY models of 1911 pistols with coyote brown micarta grips on them aside from Kimber's. This should be classified as an Unknown 1911 Government Model since there is no proof of the pistol even being made by Kimber, let alone being the specified model.

:''After seeing the movie twice, I see absolutely no definitive proof that Royce's pistol is a Kimber of any kind. On the contrary, the grips on his gun (which, frankly, are all that we ever see of his gun) are nothing like what is found on a Kimber Warrior.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Well I just checked out the licensed toys that are coming out for the Predators film and I know it is only a toy but these companies make sure they get every detail of every part of the character right, there's a picture, not brilliant, but a picture none the less of the toy gun un-holstered and I can guarantee you that the toy company rang the armourer to get it spot on... enjoy link as I can't figure out how to post pictures. GraizeONE. http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/
:''While Hot Toys is known for their accuracy when it comes to detail, that doesn't always stretch to the weapons. For example, I believe that their deluxe Dutch figure (from [[Predator]]) equips him with an M16A2/M203 combo, when the actual weapon seen in the movie was an AR15/SP1 and a fake 39mm launcher made to look like the M203.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::They also gave him a 1911 as a sidearm when in the movie he had a Desert Eagle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

You can see the compensator sticking out the end of his holster in the above pictures, so they got that part right. K38

:There is a good shot of Royce's 1911 when the group hiding in the complex. You can see the magwell, the grip and part of the compensator. Perhaps a screen capture high-definition would be good on the page. --[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Royce1911.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Unknown M1911 Variant===

When the group finds the dead american, an as-of-yet unidentified M1911 pistol can be seen in his hand, slide locked back.
[[Image:Predators43.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

-- Looks like a standard M1911A1 to me --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]

Disagree. The short grip safety spur, smaller ejection port, and unbeveled trigger cut as well as flatted, sharp cut above the front of the front of the trigger guard suggest original M1911 --Pyrewyrm

===Unknown Handgun===

Nicholai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) uses a handgun of unknown make or model, after his minigun is destroyed.

It looked like a Makarov to me. This naturally would fit his character.

Im fairly certain it was a tokarev

Look liked a CZ 52 standing in for a Tokarev. In fact, I'm almost positive it is. Same magazines with the holes on it when he reloaded it. Was way to angeled to be a Tokarev.

It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.

The barrel was much too short to be a Makarov, and it was too angled to be a Tokarev, so I have to agree, it was a CZ 52.

He fires of 8 rounds before the pistol runs dry. though we cannot be certain he has a ful magazine to start with most weapons in this movie didnt seem to have 'hollywood' magazine capacities - --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

-TOKAREV TT33... Single stack with a VERY tall non adjustable V-notch rear site is the tell all. The Tokarev fires a 7.62 X 25mm cartridge which, with the right rounds, delivers more foot pounds of energy on target than a 45 caliber. Sad to say but true. Hence the high recoil. They are real beasts. I own one. I know. Also not a CZ 52 (which I also own). The CZ 52 is significantly thicker/bulkier/heavier than the Tokarev although it fires the same rounds as the TOK and generates even MORE foot pounds of energy due to it's slide roller locking mechanism. It also has a very small rear V-notch site which is about half the size of that on the Tokarev. That very tall rear site is a dead giveaway. Look again and you'll see what I mean. :?)

The CZ 52 does hold 8 rounds. =)

But so does the Tokarev and the Makarov, so this really doesnt narrow it down much more was my point --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Could his pistol be an M1911? - Venom3945Marine

No...but i believe mombasa's sidearm is...most likely a GI model or even a Star model B or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

As i said above Mombasa is carrying a 1911, he has it tucked away behind him for a left handed draw, odd as he handles his AK with his right, he never gets a chance to fire it tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the above user who says however, not to doubt his knowledge about the TT33 on power, but comparing it to a .45 is just not possible. You're talking about two cartridges that are completely different. The .45acp is large and slow moving (roughly 850fps on average)whereas the 7.62x25 is medium in both of these areas. Also the CZ52 is not more powerful due to its chambering mechanism, however it does allow a person to make loads that are much, much hotter than those for the TT33. I've seen them loaded to ridiculous levels that I swear in anything else would make the gun explode. I guess I'm arguing semantics here, but I didn't want someone who was uninformed to misinterpret his post.

=== The "Vietnam-Era" Claymore ===

"When Nikolai (Oleg Taktarov) sees Noland's weapons cache, he eyes a M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine on the table. '''He's startled because its a Vietnam-era Claymore, revealing just how long Noland has been on the planet'''. Nikolai apparently grabbed the Claymore mine offscreen, because he is seen using it prominently later. "

This irked me. Noland says he has been on the planet for 10 seasons. During the movie, the humans seem to go through 2 full days. At the end of the movie, a new batch of humans and predators is seen falling in. One would assume that a season is ~2 days. And, if Noland was a scavenger like he said, you don't get fat by living that way.

but remeber at the begining of the movie that Royce mention that the sun had not moved scince they got there. there is no way of telling how long a day is on that planet. not to mention the extreme weather changes, hotter than and asia summer during the day and cold enough at night to see your breath (like a desert). it's possible that nolan means seasons in the sense of the weather had changed from summer to fall, etc. instead of like hunting seasons. - 400zombienation

I am not saying that Noland has been there for 20days only. I would not think you loose your mental health in 20 days. Just how that sentence was worded makes it seem like he was born and raised there.

There were no new predators being dropped in. Those cages were animals that they also hunt. They would probably have to wait at least a year for more predators to show up, assuming by that line that the seasons are 3 years long, or Noland's gone bonkers and lost track of time.

A vietnam era claymore doesnt mean hes been there that long, there were authentic samaurai swords, does that mean he lived in feudal japan? Hes scvenged from people who were there a while.

Sorry to post as an anon, I generally lurk but I had to say something on this on.

:Well, the fact that he is slightly crazy, wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, and says that he is Air Cav, not to mention he is past his prime, all point towards him being there for several decades. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

It's kind of ironic that Larry Fishburne, who also started in "[[Apocalypse Now]]" as a Machine-Gunner would star as an insane air cav soldier years later. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:ApnowM60-6.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Laurence Fishburne before he was kidnapped by aliens]]
[[Image:Predators06a.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Looks like He has had no problems finding food on a hostile alien planet for more than 40 years.]]

Winchester is right, Nolan is wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, but also RVN era jungle boots and the sleeveless jacket he is wearing over the scavenged 'predator' armor is a 3rd pattern jungle jacket also from the RVN era, with the arms cut off. The slanted chest pockets give it away.
Noland is meant to have been there since he was abducted from the Vietnam war I would suggest. "10 seasons" bearing in mind what Royce says about the sun on the alien planet and the fact it 'is' an alien planet means that a 'season' could be considerably longer than an 'Earth' year. Average age of a US soldier in RVN was supposedly 19. Add 40 'Earth' years from say 1969 when the war was at it's height, then Noland being 59 years old looks pretty accurate to his physical condition and having mental health issues having been around that long! 4 'Earth' world years to 1 'alien' planet year seems do'able.
Looks like Noland used the crown off a samurai armor helmet to make up his scavenged 'predator' helmet. Shows how long this hunting has been going on! - Skippy

:well yeah, there was also this guy in the film (Hanzo) who found this SAMURAI SWORD (anybody?) in Noland's hideout...--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Pics of Noland here - http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/ev/predators-5-lg.jpg - & here - http://aliensandpredators.tumblr.com/photo/1280/740047511/1/tumblr_l44oyqMAqd1qa1o5z - You can clearly see the Tiger Stripe combat trouser; RVN Jungle Jacket with arms cut off; plus the ancient samurai helmet Noland is using to mount the Predator mask (sorry don't know how to embed the images :\ ) - Skippy

===Weapons Cache===

i don not see a car-15 or model 29, where are you seeing it?

I asked this to but it got ignored --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It was in the script........

But not the movie! This isnt the script firearms database, if it isnt actually in the film then why are they on the page? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. If it's not in the movie, it shouldn't be on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

For future Reference, the supposed grenade launcher that fires a flare is actually modelled off a Gun in the video game, Killzone for the PS2. A single shot, grenade pistol. Only difference is they replaced the two tone wooden and synthetic grip with an entirely synthetic grip.

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[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

===Tattoo===
Anybody know anyone with a Alien tattoo? Or a Predator tattoo? 'Cause I'm planning on getting one of each.
First I'm gonna get the iconic Alien (pictured below) on my right forearm. Propably then a Predator on my left. Give your opinions and if you know of these kinds of tattoos, give me a yell. Appreciate it. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]

[[Image:Alien.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]

===New Royce Pic===
Heres a new pic i stumbed across to help with the ongoing mystery 1911 battle. You can see the compensator poking out of th bottom of the holster so maybe hot toys fig did get the gun right this time?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dUHqPRiZ0wQ/TBiYcZbpdGI/AAAAAAAAAI0/nmycSlQfTys/s1600/predators-pic-6.jpg

--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

What is it with this movie and compensators? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
:Or threading for a supressor. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

::Yeah, now that you mention it, it does look like a threaded barrel with a thread protector on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I did a lil homework and the armourer is named Larry Zanoff, anyone know of him or how to get in touch with him as Royce's .45 is still bugging the fuck out of me--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:41, 15 September 2010 (U

Is it just me or is that a M4 flashider on his 1911? (Which look like a Kimber to me )

Pic: http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/

It is impossible to tell the maker of a 1911 by the grip alone...Why do people say it looks like a kimber when all they showed was the grip in a holster...Kimber does not make a model that has those grips with a magwell.

===UCP Camo===
- Why would Royce have a weapon with a UCP pattern and not wear UCP patterned clothes?

Ahem... one word... Mercenary? K38

Do mercenaries wear whatever they feel like and disregard blending in surroundings?
::::Mercs can wear whatever suits them, unrestricted by military regulations ... and SIGN YOUR POSTS!!!! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

It probably depends where he was when he got captured. Most of the time, you wear camo just so you kinda blend in. If soldiers really wanted to not be seen, they'd all be wearing ghillie suits.

During the film, Isabelle mentions that Royce looked the part for Government Black Ops/Mercenary, perhaps he was given the AA-12 as a trial weapon perhaps? I didn't really get a chance to see what timeline the story is actually based on, in Earth years [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

===Blaser R93 LRS2===
Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]), an IDF sniper, carries a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle]] fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler & Koch PSG1 described in the script). In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale. She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.

[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum. The rifle is usually outfitted with either a Parker Hale or Harris Bipod.]]
[[Image:Preds003.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle with her Blaser R93 sniper rifle.]]
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]
[[Image:PredatorsBlaserAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce and Isabelle face back to back with their weapons.]]
[[Image:AliceBragaIsabelleBlaserl93lrs1.jpg#file|thumb|none|600px|Better view of Alice Braga as Isabelle in a production still with her Blazer L93 LRS2 fitted with an elcan digital Hunter Scope.]]

Sorry, but I think that this SIG Sauer Tactical 2 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&productid=246)

What leads you to that conclusion? -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

The description from the link says the rifle is by Blaser (synonym probably).

The Rifle is a Blaser R93 Tactical 2 or LRS2 no way to tell without seeing it from te right side. In the US Blaser is marketed by SigSauer.

Hope that picture I got sorts this argument out for you guys. Kode38

and also if you read the paragraph in that link it also says its a blaser . simmons8492

Has no-one else noticed for some reason this rifle seems to give off no recoil whatsoever? TheTrueNight

Strange choice. I don't think the Blaser is even used by IDF. - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 22:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

=== Royce's Knives ===

After watching the first half of the movie I've seen at least three. The one I really want to know about is the knife on the right front of his vest, under the shotgun shells. And then the machete he uses to kill one of the "dogs".

Thanks for the help.

Judging by the shape of the handle, the saw on the back of the blade and the length of the blade in general, i believe the knife on his chest is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C

==Predator Hounds==
Their build seems to go by the philosophy that a strong offence removes the need for a defence, based on the fact that Royce cut one in two that easily while they look like some kinda space-mutant-boar-thingy. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]

== Danny Trejo ==

why is it that the guns Danny Trejo used in the movie does not appear on his bio page?
::Also SIGN your posts! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
::Look again --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 21:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Predator 2 ==

Did they retcon away Predator 2? When Isabelle tells the group what she knows about the Predators, she seems to have a lot of info regarding the events of Predator 1, based solely on the testimony of two survivors and no witnesses, yet she doesn't make any mention of the events of Predator 2, which had three survivors and dozens of witnesses. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, I think she had some info on the events of Predator because she came from the village/near the village the thing took place in Pred 1. Or I think, she mentioned something that she was from near where the thing happened. And, no, I don't think they retconned the second one, they just ignored it. Doesn't mean it's not in the official canon. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 20:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Well, she couldn't have been around there, it the events of Predator 1 occurred twenty-five years ago, and she doesn't olook like she's older than 35. Even if she was around that area later, she has a lot of detailed information for what was basically an urban legend. (no witnesses) And she can't be from the area, she's IDF. (Although I suppose she can be a Jewish Guatemalan...) It just seemed weird to me that she would have that much info, but not kick in the fact that "ten years later, a cop in LA claims to have killed one in hand to hand combat, and we captured some of their technology." --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Her testimony isn't perfect so think of it as a script error. Like many movies in the 80's, Predator took place in "Val verde" a Hollywood invented place to make the villain, Issabelle says that is happened in Guatamala. just food for though [[Special:Contributions/174.55.154.230|174.55.154.230]] 19:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== Man Pack Minigun ==

Alright, so in the scene where the Predators kill Mombasa and attack the rest of the group, Nikolai can be seen firing his Minigun while walking. He distinctly takes three or so steps while firing the weapon. Furthermore, while he does this you can see the power cables coming from the weapon actually loop around behind the actor and lead back into his backpack. There are no other obvious cables present. It seems clear to me that he was carrying the batteries for the weapon in his backpack. It saves the crew from having to hide the cables or make sure they are just outside of frame and makes things easier... however, if you are going to hide a set of cables that leads to the gun control unit that is being operated by an armorer off set, it doesn't seem like you are gaining much, since, correct me if I'm wrong, but the power source plugs into the GCU, and the GCU is connected to the motor on the gun. If you have the GCU off camera, hooking the batteries up to that is trivial. So the question I pose is: Is it possible that Oleg also had the GCU stuff in his backpack as well, and that the trigger he was squeezing, was live?

I know the armorer for G.I.Joe and Transformers 2 mentioned that the ammo pack they crafted also stored batteries for the gun, which again seems trivial since the firing scenes in both of those films are poorly lit and the shots are framed in such a way that batteries and the GCU could easily be hidden off camera with no problems. Has anybody heard about Miniguns being operated by actors themselves in recent films? Any armorers care to comment?

==Royce's AA-12==

Is it me or are there scenes where Royce fires non Frag 12 rounds? He's obviously using them at the Predator camp, but during the dog attack it looks like he is using some other kind of ammo. [[Westernman1987|Westernman1987]]
:nope, he does in fact use two different types of ammo. If you look, he has a MOLLE pouch on the small of his back, which most likely has another drum mag, which possibily carrys the Frags. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Another question about the AA-12. If you look at the third picture, you can see that the camo pattern looks like it's bending/curving around the ejection port. It makes me think that the camo pattern is some kind of cloth slipped over the AA-12. What are your thoughts?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 16:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

its McNETT Camo Form Protective Camouflage wrap. Its a strtching fabric wrap that sticks to itself and improves your grip on the firearm.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Predators (2010)

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Talk:Non Guns

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Sentient6:

I always thought Non-Guns were zinc replica firearms based on the real deal but cheaper and easier to break while these guns on the page are called "Flashpaper" or "Flashbulb" guns.

BTW, I got a small allergic reaction (fingers swelled) when I touched a zinc Broomhandle Mauser so I may be allergic to Zinc or some other component in non-guns. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Why do those guns only barely resemble the real ones they're based on? I mean, you'd think they would be made to look as close as possible to the real deal, even though they don't actually fire.. - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 19:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Desperado

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I took some extra screenshots for the page. I'll have them on here tommorow.
: How's the page look now, a little more complete?
It looks excellent, Great work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== Suppressed revolvers... ==

There are actually suppressed and suppressable revolvers.

Three primary means:

1) Using a "gas check" design like the Nagant revolver that cams the cylinder forward to seal the breach between cylinder (actually, shell casing) and the barrel. (This would also require a muzzle mounted suppressor.)

See: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0

2) Using an expandable casing or "bladder" that contains the propellant gases. This would use a subsonic bullet.

3) Use an expandable casing that extends forward to cover the gap.

See: http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=64397

The advantages of all these designs is the control of the casings (none left behind), the ability to use rounds of various power while having repeating fire, and the limitations on releasing gun residue.
:Fine, ''some'' can be suppressed but the conventional revolvers used like S&W M15 and Colt Pythons aren't built to be suppressed, and don't do it well.

== Ruger P90s ==

Am I the only one who thinks El Mariachi is firing off too many rounds from his Rugers before reloading?

To start, the Ruger P90 in .45 ACP is only sold with an 8-round magazine.

Now if you watch the "bar fight" scene in Desperado, it seems that while El Mariachi does reload, he fires off more then the combined 16 rounds those P90s should have.
::Yeah, this movie isn't exactly know for its firearms accuracy. He reloads when it looks cool, not when he actually runs out of bullets. You'll note the weapons are not locked back in one scene and then are when he reloads in the next. And what, firing 6 shots from a 2 barreled shotgun isn't a little inaccurate as well? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Indeed it's not very accurate. I always thought he was using P89s, as they had much larger 15-round magazines. But yeah, like you said, he only reloads when it looks good.
::::Firing more shots then actually in the magazine is nothing - he also fires the Rugers several times after the slide locks back and the gun is "empty". But hey, movie magic, right? - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 20:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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==Desert Eagle==

The 44. Magnum version of the Desert Eagle does actually have 9 rounds, it's the 50. AE version that only has 7.

''- Flying Dane''

== Screenshots ==

I think I still have the game, I'll be willing to take screens of the in-game weapons. But I have no idea how to properly edit a wiki page, so someone else would have to arrange them in a pretty way on the game's page =) - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:51, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Machete

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Sentient6:

I am not good at all with names. Be gentle [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 01:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prop gun ==

It looks like underneath all that prop is some kind of AR-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... my brother thinks it an Remington ACR. I think it looks like an insane prop Browing M1919 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

::Definitely an AR-15.-protoAuthor 03:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, AR-15. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

That is not a WALTHER P99!...come on! that is totally a Walther NightHawk on the table with all the toy junk on it.[[Spades of Columbia]]

Does this sight allow BB gun on the main page?

Definitely a BB gun. Here is a link to a "weapon" exactly the same as the one pictured. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:53, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

http://dvice.com/archives/2008/04/walther-nightha.php
Thank you for finding that, i was positive that was the NightHawk. [[Spades of Columbia]] 15 may 2010

==Lohans Revolver==
From the size and 5 chambered cylinder i'd say lohans revolver is a Smith n Wesson 500 - CaptainSnikt

It is a S&W 500. when they do the freeze frame on her there is a better view of it.[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Oh yeah, when they freeze oh her licking it? Heh, I'm pretty sure i saw Don Johnson packing a 1911 variant - Captain Snikt
==Engraved Series 80==
The engraved nickel 1911a1 doesn't need the last line implying a different frame from the stock gun. The Colts with the large roll mark saying MKIV Series 80 had the arched mainspring housing and short trigger exactly as this pistol appears. This is how the full size Colts were made in the 80s.

The CURRENT Colt Series 80s have the flat mainspring housing and the long trigger, I think that is where the confusion is coming from.

The pistol in the picture does not appear to be modified in any way (except for the engraving of course.) The last line in the description that says "''Though the slide is marked "MK IV Series 80", it appears to have been a standard M1911A1 frame''" should be deleted. This is a standard Colt Government Model made in the 1980s. -[[User:Zenner22]]
::Cool! Thanks Zenner22. Though I photographed the actual gun used by Robert DeNiro, I did NOT write that section. I don't know who did, but I didn't contest it because I always defer to people who know MORE about M1911s than I do. If this is indeed the case, you have the right to edit that information to correct it and provide an explanation here. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I could have swore that same engraved Series 80 was used on an episode of the TV series The Good Guys.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

==New Images==
Guys, can someone put some new screencaps from the redband trailer, and upload the new images that have been appearing in the las few months,i can't upload the my screencaps of the trailers because they are awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 23:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

:I just watched the red band trailer and it looked like Danny Trejo was using either a Smith & Wesson model 66 or 686 but their are too many quick cut scenes to tell for sure. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] 05:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

anyone else see the awesome promo still of Tom Savini with a USAS 12?
http://www.shockya.com/news/2009/10/25/tom-savini-photo-from-machete/

One trailer I saw showed Jessica Alba's character using a Glock Pistol, most likely a Glock 17.

==Machete==
Just got home from seeing it. Theres quite a bit of gun porn in it. I believe I saw a USAS 12 a lot of different 1911s, a spas 12, an mp5k, and maybe a couple more

Yeah, I noticed several of those too, one guy had an MP5K-PDW, and I think I saw a Mk. 23 as well. Oh, also, in the first scene of the movie, some of Seagal's henchmen are carrying some sort of AKs or AK knockoffs.

:Just saw it myself. It seems everyone in the film uses a stainless 1911 at some point. Also, I noticed during the credits that this film (unlike many) actually gave its armourer a credit. I think his name was something like Steve Gilbert but don't quote me on that.-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

== Okay, two things ==

First of all, the double barreled sawn-off doesn't look like a twelve gauge to me. The barrels look much too large for a twelve, though it might just be perspective. Also, why would anyone need a compensator for a .22? [[Special:Contributions/67.191.192.233|67.191.192.233]] 00:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Bump-firing with a extended magazine? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:21, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::.22's may be small but in a pistol they still have some muzzle flip, so a compensator can be used to make the pistol pretty much completely recoiless, which is very useful when target shooting when you have to drill the same target multiple times quickly.
: Are you talking about the P22? Because all the compensator really does is lengthen the barrel, enabling you to actually shoot it with some amount of accuracy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 15:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Mossberg thinks that a .22 semi auto kicks alot apparently.http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?ID=30&section=products--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:49, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

==Sartana's Glock==
I saw the movie today and when Sartana ejects the magazine from her Glock you get a clear shot of the bullets in it and they looked alot like .357 sig rounds. So i was thinking that her Glock may be a Glock 32. Anyone else see it yet? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:Even if it were a .357 (a fact of which I am unconvinced) her pistol looked full-sized to me which would make it a Glock 31 not a 32. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Maybe Danny Trejo's hands made it look smaller to me, because I thought it looked sub-compact. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Were you looking at the frame or the barrel, because from the length of the barrel it is definately not a sub-compact. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

She has small hands so it still looks subcompact to me. It probably is a 9mm though considering it's a movie. I think she should have been carrying a SIG-Sauer P229R. That's what ICE officers carry. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Promo pics don't always use the same guns, but Jess has a Glock 19 in this pic. Compare from there. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 19:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Machete Promo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==USAS-12==

Do you think it should be mentioned that although it's a shotgun, it sounds like an assault rifle (error in sound editing, I'm guessing) when Osiris is firing it in the church? May help to clear any misunderstandings.. --[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 23:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Saints Row 2

2011-01-30T16:53:37Z

Sentient6:

To the creator of this page: The MP5K in-game has a fifteen round magazine in it, not a thirty. I think the photo with the 15-round mag would be more appropriate. --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 15:15, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

has any one else noticed that the flash hider on the m4a1 in this game kinda looks like a xm177 flash hider

What are the SMGs/machine pistols the guy on the cover art is holding? Doesn't look like the made it into the game. --[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 16:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Mechanic (2011)

2011-01-12T11:59:20Z

Sentient6: /* THIS MOVIE */

==Unidentified Weapons==

A thug threatens McKenna with a pistol before being subdued.

[[Image:Mechanic-pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Mechanic-pistol-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:SeecampLWS-32.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Seecamp LWS-32 .32 ACP. my best guess [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]]]

== McKenna's 1911 ==

Is it me or does it look like the 1911 McKenna is using is the engraved one that is used in Supernatural and Machette? --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

==hitmen in movies==
in this version it look like there assanations are the run in and shoot the place to pieces. is the original he tried to make it look like an an accident first

well they only show three hits . the one in the pool , which is totaly ninja , the one where the gas station blows, an accident and then the all out brawl in the street , and being that they killed his mentor and father, i would hit em hard also . and being that they are aware of the hitmans presence , the sneek atack isnt an option. [[User: Simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==THIS MOVIE==
is gonna be total crap, I promise. --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 18:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Impossible, it stars Jason Statham. --[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 11:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

==The Barret==
[[Ben Foster]] is the one firing it right.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Talk:The Expendables

2011-01-10T21:59:46Z

Sentient6:

==Question on the weapons used==
anyone know what the 6th barrel down is, between the silenced M4 and the MP7? Might be a shotgun of sorts, based on the barrel/handguard...also no magazine. Can pick out the grip/trigger to the right of the skull's eye.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2378533888/tt1320253

-Barrett M107 with SUSAT (?!) Scope
-M16A1
-C8 with M203
-G36 with AG36
-No idea
-Shorty Remington 870 / Masterkey
-MP7
-Mk. 23
-Model 29
-Steyr M9A1
-Beretta M9 with front cocking serrations
-SVI Infinity
-Beretta 93R
-Desert Eagle
-A fuckload of knifes --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

It matches the sg9000 airsoft shotgun i once saw at a gunshow. so i think it may be it.
http://www.planxairsoftguns.com/store-products-UU-2272027---Walther-SG9000-SHOTGUN---C02_1096639197.html

I just thought I'd point out that the M107 does not have a SUSAT, but an ELCAN C79. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I guess I stand correct, it is a ELCAN C79, they look similar thought -_-' --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 23:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown 1911 ==

I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster, Check out the two Pictures on the 1911 section.
It's got the same trigger, and possibly the same magazine buttpad and hammer.

Also, I deleted my previous two posts. - Thomas.

== CQB-R Image ==

[http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2010/5/12/check-out-these-new-expendables-photos.html Screeninglog.com - Here is page link instead]

New Image featuring the CQB-R Rifles, can someone replace the one on the main page? Thx - Thomas.

[http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2691072512/tt1320253 IMDB.com]

Look at this pic of Jet Li, the grip on his 'CQB'. Thats a Heckler & Koch 416?

Definatly a 416 look at the shape of the grip. Is Terry Crews using frag 12 rounds, as frag 12's normally come in a green casing and the spent cartridges in the image all appear to be see thu / white. this could of course just be hollywood, being hollywood - Captain Snikt

I also thing stathams 92 is most likely a 92G elite, or a ninety two based on the squared off pistol grip - captain snikt

Tango Down makes a pistol grip almost identical to that of the HK416, the BG-16 Battle Grip or so it's supposedly called. It could be one of those. I'd rather wait until we can find better shots of his gun to determine whether it's a 416 or not. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== Cameos ==
Is it me or does anybody else miss hearing arnie's voice lol

:I just saw Commando last week so...no I don't miss his voice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else think Clint Eastwood shoulda had a cameo?

I gotta disagree. He was huge int he 80s of course, but not in the same way these guys were. Eastwood is on another level in many ways. My question, where is Segal? Chuck Norris? Tom Berhinger?
:I agree on Clint. While he was a definite star, he was a different sort of star than these guys. As for your question about where is Seagal? Well, he WAS offered a part and turned it down. Apparently, Seagal has issues with one of the produces of The Expendables and refuses to work with him(you can catch him September in Machete though). Jean-Claude Van Damme was also offered a role and turned it down, because he "doesn't want his career going in that direction"(that direction being "up" I assume), and Kurt Russell turned a part down due to "a lack of interest in ensemble acting at this time". Wesley Snipes was going to be in it, but he wasn't allowed to leave the country due to that whole tax evasion thing, so he couldn't go down to South America or Mexico or wherever it was they filmed it. Chuck woulda fit in too, but I don't think he was offered a part. And Berrenger? Nothing against the guy, but Berrenger was pretty much third tier even in his heyday, even the average classic action fan isn't gonna bring him up when they're thinking of action stars. Not that I woulda opposed him don't get me wrong, but at the same time, I don't think his omission is exactly as noticeable as say, Seagal or Mel Gibson(I think we can all guess why he wasn't offered a part) for example. I also missed Chow Yun-Fat. Li is a badass to be sure and I'm glad he's here, but woulda been cool to see Chow going back to old school Woo-mode and packing a couple handguns as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::Addendum. Apparently at Comic-Con, Stallone said "I talked to Van Damme. I talked to [Steven] Segal. I even talked to Chuck Norris." He then added, "But there are certain considerations, like insanity.". Not sure if the insanity line was specifically for one of them, or all of them. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Screw Chuck Norris bring Jack Bauer up in here. [[User:24guns|24guns]]
:I totally woulda dug Kiefer Sutherland getting a part. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Jackie Chan should have been in this. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::Nope, Jackie Chan focuses on much lighter 'comical' action fare. He would not be comfortable with such grisly violence as this does not fit with his cinema history well at all. It would not have made sense to include Jackie Chan. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually Jackie Chan did a lot of serious, even dark action/drama movies before ([[New Police Story]] for example). It's just that his Hollywood movies are all action comedy and that's what North American viewers are used to.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 17:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Damn straight[[User:24guns|24guns]]

Bruce Campbell ftw. -SasquatchJim

==Charles Daly 1911's - CONFIRMED AS KIMBER CUSTOMS==

The pistols list as Charles Daly Customs are Kimber Customs with Bright Blue finish. But I will confirm before I change the heading.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 00:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Who in their right mind would customize a Charles Daly...I would have to hear it from the movie armor himself before i believe that one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

CONFIRMED:Whoever thought they were CDs could not have been further off. Like the above, my vote went for Kimber, and NOW it is CONFIRMED--->

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/kimber-the-expendables/?hp=exclusives_title
--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 23:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

After this confirmation I changed the heading on the main page to reflect this. Since, I confess, I'm kinda new at editing this, I just changed the heading, wasn't sure if the details of the customization are meant to be included or not. If they are, feel free to add whatever is necessary. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

==clip==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpaRzwICMk

I think there is a Saiga 12 being used by Hale Caesar (Terry Crews) in the clip

== Holy Cow ==

So many action stars in one movie. This can only be good --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

==Plane==

Can anyone identify the plane nd the machine guns in the nose they use to take out the dock?

:I would guess either .30 or .50 cal browning machine guns

Plane is a Grumman HU-16 Albatross. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 14:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::And they are identified in 'the making of' pre-released video as 50 cals, so I assume they are AN-M2 machine guns [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Gunnar's M79 ==

I saw a Clip from when the Screenshot was taken. I believe he uses a Non-Explosive round like the HK69A1 in Miami Vice.
[[Image:Expendables-M79-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar Jensen opens fire with his [[M79]].]][[Image:MV_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tubbs pulls out his [[Heckler & Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher|Heckler & Koch HK69A1]] on Yero.]]

It's possible, the Miami Vive Round is a custom made single shot (giant) shotgun round made from a 40mm.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 23:29, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

:: It's not a custom round per se; it's called a M576. It loads 20 pellets of #4 shot, and the US Army developed it because the original plan was that the M79 would the grenadier's only weapon, and you can't exactly shoot someone standing right in front of you with a grenade. Well, I suppose you could, but it wouldn't be terribly practical. The M576 is also compatible with the M203, though generally what a 40mm shotgun does you can do with a Masterkey or M1014. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

== Christ, those pistols look tiny. ==

I mean, I shouldn't be surprised that Stalone has massive hands, but still, the Beretta and the SSA look absolutely tiny in his hands. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== Willis' Role ==

From what I've heard, Willis isn't just a cameo. He apparently plays an important part in the plot. At least, that's what I've heard. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

SPOILER SPOILER
*I saw it today. He isn't much more than a cameo. Three minutes of screen time, and mentioned again later.
*Stallone and Statham make up a sizeable portion of it, effectively being the two leads.
-SasquatchJim, 19:47 EST 13 August 2010

==Just watched it==

Pardon my french, but i fucking loved it!!! Arnie and bruce sadly only do cameos, but its worth it for a few jokes.
But onto the guns. Stallone (barny ross) is packing a pair of Kimber M1911's (which sometimes he fires so fast it nears automatic) one on each thigh. He does some perfect and frankly beautiful speedloads with them too. On the same belt he also caries the custom single action army on a quickdraw rig to his rear.
Stathams (lee christmas) main sidearm, seen mostly in the final action peice is a Beretta 92G Elite 1A which he uses in conjunction with throwing knives and if im being honest kinda steals the show.
The other real star of the movie is Terry Crews AA12, given its own into speech he even shows us the Frag 12 mini rocket out of its casing and explains to the audience just how cool the frag 12 really is, and the scenes he uses it truely do it justice, people are torn apart in a gorey wargasm.
Oh and Dolph Lundgren (Gunnar) briefly threatens Stone Cold with a shorty shotgun with a folding frong grip, much like Tubb's from miami vice, possibly a franchi but i cant be sure.
Ok there's my 50 cents, but it really did kick ass--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, Captain. The scene where he first uses the AA-12 is EPIC. I'm not normally a fan of the AA-12, but I had to respect it here. Also, many of Statham's fistfight scenes were awesome.
* As a side note, I believe the shotgun was a Serbu Super Shorty. I could easily be wrong, though.
*I think Yin was using a Steyr TMP in the back of Barney's truck. Again, don't quote me on that.
-SasquatchJim, 21:22 EST, 13 August 2010 (Not a member, but I've been told to sign my posts.)

Statham's fight scenes were cool. He messed that guy in the blue polo up with that kick to the head. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Suberu shorty looks like the gun, but i think it was a brugger and thompet MP9 not the TMP due to the folding stock, and its always good practise to sign your posts --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I've never heard of the MP9. BTW, am I signing my posts right, since I'm not a user? -SasquatchJim 21:55 EST 13 August 2010

Brugger and Thommet bought out the stery tmp design an released ith with a folding stock as the MP-9, and yeah, thats fine, you dont need the date/time stamp but its always welcome --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

It was badass, just a great fun to watch action movie not loaded with preachy messages or other bullshit. They said it would be like an awesome 80s action movie, and delivered. BTW, I dont think there charles daly 1911s. Im betting their kimbers like Pheonixint said. BTW, remember when i think it was steve austin took off stallone's vest (which looked like a blackhawk strike) and said that without the kevlar hed be ripped apart or something to that effect, that the vest had no kevlar, it was just load bearing equipment, no panels or plates.

No crap...where is the evidence that these are Charles daly? Like i said, who would buy a cheap 1911 just to customize it all badass like?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

And pheonixint is in the industry, his info is usually real solid, while i dont see one shred of evidence its a bargain bin 1911.

There's only one reason I can think as to why they'd be CD 1911s: The directors wanted to save money bu using inexpensive 1911s and customizing them. E.G. Using a $600 1911 instead of a $3000 one. I don't know, though.-SasquatchJim

== The Knives ==

Does anyone know the knives that they used in the movie? I saw some links to the ones that Sly and Doph uses, but I want to know what are the ones that Jason Statham uses. He had the kunai throwing knives and the folding knife in that one scene. I really want that knife now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:In the end credits, it says knives provided by Gil Hibben. Tool's throwing knives in the end were definitely Hibbens. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

http://www.hibbenknives.com/expendables.htm

The first knife Tool drew from his boot and threw, was a Cold Steel Espada. Gunner313

== What gun is stallone using in the tunnels? ==

I couldn't see it good enough to ID but it looks like a MP7. Anyone else got an opinion?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure Stallone was using one of the kitted out M4A1 Carbine things, but he was holding it with one hand by the foregrip instead of at the ready because he was using it mainly for the flashlight. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
Pretty much. I have no idea what part of that thing looks like an MP7. If you look at the main page, the Vltor rifles were all what the team was using [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I know he was using a Vltor later but when he was alone in the tunnels. I don't know just had a feeling it was.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the bad dark lighting of the movie confused you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

He was holding the vltor by the surefire light foregrip, definatly - Captain snikt

Yep, I just saw the movie again, and as the other guys said, he's carrying the Vltor by the foregrip, there's no MP7 in sight. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Its a noveske, vltor makes the stock and rail system.

I was looking at the front of the gun and never looked at the back so it looked like a machine pistol of somesort so I assumed a MP7. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== New Guns SPOILERS ==

[[Image:Shorty3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar ([[Dolph Lundgren]]) pulls a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] on Monroe's Henchmen when negotiating a deal. The shotgun looks like a pistol in the hand's of the formidable actor.]]
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Paine ([[Steve Austin]]) reacts to this and holds his [[H&K USP]] on Gunnar.]]

Someone needs to add these guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Yin Yang's pistol? ==

Anyone recall what pistol Jet Li's character was carrying at the end battle? There was so much going on during that assault that I was just sitting and enjoying the carnage, without paying as much attention to weapon details as I normally would. And now that I'm sitting here trying to recall, my mind is blanking on me. Anyone able to refresh my memory? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

He had a pistol? There was too much for me to take in at once!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, he most noticeably using it when he was clearing the soldiers out of one of those tents or whatever they were. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 05:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah now I remember it, I believe it was a Beretta. I could be wrong though.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Its definaty a 'box' shaped pistol, I just watched it again, looked like a p99 to me, but the only times we see it he is moving, there are no close up either --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall it looking like a P99 as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

i say it looked like a small glock, maybe a 19, not sure

I haven't seen the movie, but on a poster at my theatre, Jet Li has a SIG Pro in his holster, don't know if he has one in the movie though.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 05:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm, that could be it, actually. Fairly sure it's not a Glock, but it could definitely be a SIG Pro. Thanks for the info man. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

yep that is defintly the gun he used in the film, the pics of the slide in the film during that scene look the same

i remember a pistol, he sort of takes cover behind something and then kills the guys and shows a full shot of the gun in his hand kind of pointing down. im going to see it again tommorow so ill have a look,also found apicog Gunnars shotty, going to put itup--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 00:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Has this mystery gun been IDed yet?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== low quality caps ==

Some of the lower quality caps will be put here until the official dvd or better quality official clips are released. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:The_expendable-ar15var.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Team members carry the Vltor / Noveske Diplomat with EOTech, flashlight, and laser sights.]]

[[Image:The_expendable-f2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yang with his F2000 Tactical with Christmas's MP5K on the left.]]

[[Image:The_expendable-aa122.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Damn that thing's loud!"]]

[[Image:The_expendable-ak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enemy soldiers firing their AKs.]]
[[Image:The_expendable-ak2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enemy soldiers fire their AKs as the team takes cover.]]
==Smoke Grenade==
[[Image:The_expendable-smoke.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Smoke grenade about to go off.]]

==Demolition Man==
in the promo still of sly aiming at dolph who is thretening li, doent it lookan awful lot like some of the scenes from demolition man?--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 01:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:I don't recall a single scene like that from Demolition Man but if you recall a specific part feel free to point it out. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 04:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:I think he means these two shots [[Image:DemoMan_011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] [[Image:Expendables.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

yeah thats the one, thamks Funkychinaman.--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

:Okay, he's wearing a beret in both pics, but other than that, it's just 2 shots of the same actor holding a gun, and not even in the same situation, one he's holding it directly to someone's head, the other he's standing several feet away pointing it at someone. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
::Well, he said they look alike. As you pointed out, they look alike. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Well yeah, in the sense that it's the same dude holding a gun in both shots. By that reasoning, any 2 shots of Arnie holding an M16 will look alike, or any 2 shots of Chow Yun Fat holding 2 pistols, and so on. Doesn't mean End of Days looks an awful lot like Predator, does it? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 10:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
::::He mentioned it, and I found it in two minutes, so obviously he wasn't he only one. It's like if Arnold made another movie where he held a shotgun with one arm while wearing a black leather jacket. Why are you getting worked up about this? The guy made an observation, that's all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 11:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, so the pistol is different and the goatee too, but in both shots, aiming one handed, tac vest over black t-shirt and black beret, i think its similar enough --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I noticed it too and thought it was pretty badass. DKS01 you need to chill out with these comments. Let other people have an opinion. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
::Blow me, I wasn't aware I was somehow preventing anyone from having an opinion. If I had that capability I'd probably use it to get Rush Limbaugh off the air, but since Rush still broadcasts, I guess I don't have that power. He stated his opinion, I stated my opinion, deal with it chief. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Geez man, lose the attitude. And don't you ever tell me to blow you. I have never seen you write anything on this site but rude and asshole comments. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
::You've never seen me post anything but rude and asshole comments? Guess reading isn't something you're very good at then, cause there are other comments from me on THIS VERY PAGE where I posted about the fixing the Kimbers entry, discussed what pistol Jet Li was carrying, and agreed with some other dudes that Stallone's gun in the tunnel was the Diplomat and not an MP7. Actually, wait a sec, I think I remember you now, you're that dude who thought using the Harris technique was a "Call of Duty" homage then got mad when me and some other dudes told you it probably wasn't an homage, right? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 04:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Yep that's me.--[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I think it just stands out because it's rare for a lot of movie stars to wear anything on their head at all. Off the top of my head, I think the only movies where Arnold wears anything on his head is in the Conan movies, where's he's got that weird headband thing. Not even in Predator, where it would've made sense, did he wear a hat. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually he did have a hat on in the very beginning of Predator...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, there are some particular movies where the character is well-known for wearing a hat. Indiana Jones, Crocodile Dundee, Freddy Krueger, and others.
Also, I think Arnold briefly wears a hat in the Running Man (When trying to escape.) -SasquatchJim

I'll give you Indy and Dundee, but those are also parts of costumes. I can't think of any other hat wearing Harrison Ford characters though. (And looking back, I think Arnold did wear a hat in Collateral, when he was trying to infiltrate the terrorist base.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, Harrison wore a stormtrooper helment in Star Wars. Does that count LOL? But yeah, I see what you mean though; overall, costumes with hats are rare.
:For most stars, their greatest assets are their features. Why hide them with a hat? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Except in some cases...That explains why Mickey Rourke DID wear a hat. -SasquatchJim

To be honest Mickey Rourke Needed to wear a trenchcoat and a bag over his head--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 16:38, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Totally irrelevant but it bugged me, @DKS01 Arnie doesn't use an M16 in End of Days, is a pimped MP5.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

While on the hat subject, the whole team wear hats in this movie both in the opening scene, and the final shootout (with the exception of stallone who loses his beret) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know why, but I REALLY like that Statham wore a baseball cap. It was understated and badass. -SJ

Toll Road's boonie hat never fell off, even during fights, i know from experience they come off easy if your not wearing a chin strap.

To be fair, this is sort of a "suspended-reality" movie. Take everything with a grain of salt. -SJ

Maybe he wore his boonie hat tightened on his head, as so not to lose it? And he could have straightnened the hat off-screen. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 17:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gunner's 1911==

During the car chase Gunner uses a 1911 that looks alot like the one's used by Thomas Jane in The Punisher (2004). It was black with a silver compensator. Anybody else see it? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

no i noticed it i thought it was funny because Dolph Lundgren played The Punisher in the 80's--[[User:Anarchy66660|Anarchy66660]] 21:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC

Another possible punisher connection: I think the Guy riding shotgun with gunnar was one of the guys that Thomas Jane dropped in the lobby of the saint building after he made it rain money. Horace or Spoon perhaps?
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== Guns Appearing on the "Choose Your Weapon" Poster ==

Boy, Ross fires his handgun so fast that until I read about it here I thought it might have been some kind of machine pistol!

Anyway, the poster I first saw for The Expendables was the one with the chrome skull in the center surrounded by guns and knives in the shape of wings, which some have suggested is meant to evoke the Guns & Roses poster (maybe...). I'm kinda surprised that that poster wasn't used for this article (more appropriate here than the one used currently) and I was hoping to see the guns in it identified. Could anyone do just that (The original poster would appear alongside an annotated version with a list of firearms)? Here's some pictures I found:
[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fFAqUS7IXq0/TGcN9LbltLI/AAAAAAAAAPw/o8F2vVD-LqU/s1600/expendables+poster.jpg]

And here someone even made a mockup using gun images from places like this site:
[http://www.blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/tutorials/how-to-create-the-expendables-winged-skull-poster-art How To Create The Expendables Winged Skull Poster Art]

:The very first section of this talk page is a listing of the weapons featured in that poster. This was the relevant info already posted above:"-Barrett M107 with SUSAT (?!) Scope -M16A1 -C8 with M203 -G36 with AG36 -No idea -Shorty Remington 870 / Masterkey -MP7 -Mk. 23 -Model 29 -Steyr M9A1 -Beretta M9 with front cocking serrations -SVI Infinity -Beretta 93R -Desert Eagle -A fuckload of knifes --yocapo32 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)". Someone later clarified that it's an ELCAN C79 scope not a SUSAT. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 08:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

::Oh, Jeez, I skimmed this page way too quick looking for a mention and to be "sure" it wasn't covered, searched for the term "poster", thinking it would be included in any discussion. Sorry.

::But anyway, I still think it would be a better poster to use on the article page and think there really should be an annotated version too. And a big bag of money would be nice.
:::You got my vote. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 13:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

==Barney's Kimber - Possible Spoilers==

Is it possible that his Kimber's used double stacked magazines? I bought it at midnight, watched it, rewatched the speed firing bit at the end several times, and it seems like everytime he empties a magazine and reloads, he's firing fourteen to fifteen times. The time he fired both, he fires twenty six times and reloades, considering it'd be bad to go off with two rounds. Consistent with a double stacked .45 magazine. I couldn't see how many times the weapon cycled, but the sound was definitely fourteen shots. I'd also feel the need to point out that on several occasions, he fired only a few rounds at a time from one pistol, but it would be possible that he reloaded off screen. Especially given the speed he shows with his reloads. Movie magic, or some realism to a typical yet totally awsome, film? - Mikey

::The Kimbers he used had single-stack magazines (the armorer who blank-converted Stallone's pistols for this movie is an IMFDB administrator). You can also check the link that appears on the page. Counting the number of times the weapons are fired is a bad way to determine their magazine capacity in movies. Actors routinely fire more rounds than their weapons can hold because reloading is done between takes, off-camera. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== Is it Just me ==

Or is something wrong with the front sight on this thing? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 10:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Exp010.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

No, it is just a hooded sight, indicating that it is the Chinese version of the AK, the Norinco Type 56. --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 10:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I think (even though the somali is holding the rifle not so straight) the front sight is tilted a bit on the left --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

:?He's just holding the rifle itself tilted to the left. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, but the sight is still a bit off... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 21:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:::It's a little off center even considering he's holding the gun cocked to one side. Then again, he's a pirate with an AK. He's probably never even used the sights, so he hasn't noticed that he banged the nose of his Type 56 into the side of a boat and knocked his sights off-kilter or something. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

== Page correction F2000 ==

Someone has written 'An FN F2000 Tactical is used by Ross, and later by Lee, with an EO-Tech, flashlight, and laser sight during the mission to rescue hostages on the hijacked oil tanker.' The only Lee in the film is Stathams character Lee CHristmas, I assume you mean Yin Yang played by Jet LI, as shown in the photo, can someone sort this out - Captain Snikt

== Continuity error? ==

For the page, it shows shots of Jet Li's character, Yang with a P90 during the Oil Tanker scene, but then it showed another with the F2000. Did he happen to have both? or did the prop guy switched it by accident? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
::Huh. I had noticed that he started out with a F2000 (actually at first with the dim lighting in the scene, I thought all of the Expendables were carrying F2000s until I could see them better - and until Gunnar let a M576 off and blew a guy in half as a warning shot) and then didn't realize somehow that he was suddenly using a P90 in another shot. I assumed that maybe he picked up someone else's gun but... [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Single Action Army==

Barney's Colt with the very short barrel could be a customized U.S. Firearms "Shopkeeper" or "Sheriff." They are somewhat uncommon, but the Sheriff is a clone of Colt's "Sheriff" SAA variant, with a 3" ejectorless barrel -- they can also be had in 2”, 3.5” and 4” -- and the Shopkeeper is the same song but with 3.5" barrel and an ejector rod. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

==Ceasars Pistol==

Hale Ceasar (terry crews) has a beretta 92G elite 1A as his sidearm in the final ballte as seen on this massive image http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2010_The_Expendables/2010_the_expendables_015.jpg - Captain Snikt

==F2000 in the Tanker scene==

Does anyone know why Stallone fires his F2000 left-handed in the Tanker scene? He's obviously right-handed, given that he fires all his other weapons (unless counting dual wielded Kimbers :P) right-handed - especially the Quickdraw Colt...

Talk:Franchi SPAS-12

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is it just me or are we seeing less and less of the Franchi SPAS-12
:Yup, and the AA12 has taken its place. At least the AA12 isn't heavy and useless-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

- Plus the Benelli M3 gave us the same gun without being quite as heavy or bulky. Still, the SPAS will always have that eternal beefy and badass look to it - Which is the main reason it was used so much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:It's really strange to me that the AA12 has become the latest, coolest auto-shotgun of choice in movies lately, considering that the design is actually ''older'' than the SPAS-12. But yes, Hollywood definitely loves the SPAS, or did. They were still appearing in tons of movies long after Franchi discontinued them. I kinda wish the SPAS-15 had caught on, but no go. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:I held a Spas 12 last year and it seems to be heavier than my AR. I still have no clue why people love them so damn much-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

is the look, it has a intimidating appearance.
The AA12 looks cool and could be a effective weapons system. I don't see modern army adopting as a main rifle, because it the size of a rifle but don't have the range. Rex095
:I'd imagine that no one is going to adopt it as a main rifle because IT'S NOT A RIFLE TO BEGIN WITH.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:He meant as a main infantry individual firearm, don't pick on words.
::Doesn't matter. [[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] was correct. A shotgun will NEVER be a main infantry weapon anyway. So the initial comment was weird. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I have the Franchi SPAS 12 in my armory. It sucks. Seriously. It's hard to rack rounds on pump action and it tends to jam on semi auto action (either LIVE rounds at the range or blanks rounds with a BFA doesn't matter, it is still really finicky). It tried hard to be the best of both worlds and sucks at both. It's heavy, clunky and is hard to use. Why do you see so many times in films it's used ONLY as a pump action shotgun? because the semiauto action sucks and jams. What I dont' understand is why Franchi didn't just make a dedicated pump action shotgun that LOOKED like the SPAS12 (to get around the stupid "Assault weapon bans" in various states in the US), cut down on the weight and make the action smooth and light. Just the bad ass looks alone would have been a selling point. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Pfff. i don't care if it looks badass. it a useless hunk of metal. you want a Better, comparible weapon? benelli M3T, ligghter, sleeker, RELIABLE, nearly any shotgun in a combat test would beat a SPAS. For something scary or bad ass that is a better choice for movies? Saiga 12k, Protecta, striker, HS model 10A or a USAS-12. But they picked the SPAS. i was offered to shoot one at a gun convention and i passed. because the SPAS is 9 odd pounds of ''Scheisse'' [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Guess I'm the only one on this site who loves the SPAS 12. :( 9 pounds, pfff, that's not much at all, the AA12 is probably heavier and it's bulkier than the SPAS 12 to boot (not that the AA12's bad in any way). did you know that heavier shotguns are much easier to control and maintain while firing than say, 6 to 7 pound shotguns. Well MoviePropMaster2008 I think you got a lemon SPAS 12 (I bet you can find a lemon Benelli M1014 (my next favorite shotgun) and it's one of the most reliable shotguns in the world!), I've heard from other sources that the SPAS 12 is very reliable, it's possible you have a civilian version (Sporting Purpose Automatic Shotgun), which is probably inferior to the Military version (Special Purpose Automatic Shotgun). I love the SPAS 12 and all it's heavy bulkiness, and you won't make me think differently. :) I not saying its the best shotgun ever but its diffidently a great one. Try talking to actual SPAS 12 users and see what you get. Oh by the way, Protecta/Striker suck because they take way to long to reload and I've heard the USAS-12 isn't very reliable. What's a HS Model 10A? The SPAS 12 being finicky, 1911 pistols can also be finicky but people still love them and carry them into combat.

::Wait a minute. ''' DO YOU OWN ONE?''' If you don't then you don't hold much sway over those who actually own the shotgun. Also, you asked what an HS10A was. It stands for High Standard Model 10A, which was one of the FIRST bullpup auto shotguns in production. But I wait to see if you own one, and whether or not it is a civilian one or a military one. And also, identify yourself when you post :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
[[Image:HIghStandardM10Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard Model 10A shotgun - 12 gauge. The Model 10A had the flashlight integral to the body of the shotgun and is the rarer of the two models.]]
[[Image:High standard 10 SHG.jpg|thumb|400px|none|High Standard Model 10B shotgun - 12 gauge. The Model 10B had a removeable carry handle and bar to attach both a handle and a flashlight.]]
:That's cool, but it doesn't look as "scary or bad ass" as the SPAS 12 though. Unfortunately, no, I do not own a one (god I wish I did, I'm too poor), :( but don't count me out. :| Sorry, I just know a lot of stuff about the SPAS 12. My sources are reliable and non-biased. I still think you just got a bad SPAS 12 though. Fussing at me about the liking the SPAS 12, is like fussing at someone for liking the Browning HP or the Colt 1911 80s series instead of the Beretta 92FS or the HK USP45 (The former is technically better than the latter).
::I own two Franchi SPAS-12s and have handled SIX. Fussing at you because you like the gun? No. Fussing at you because you're arguing like you know what you're talking about. Yes. It is amazing that you have such a strong opinion of a firearm you don't own and possibly have never even touched or fired. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Wit one moment... "Military" and "Civilian" Versions? I thought the reason for the "Special Purpose" vs "Sporting Purpose" terminology was because Franchi changed it to be more press-friendly. As far as I knew, they were the same damn gun. Also, anon editor; 9 pounds doesn't look like much on paper, but you compared it to a much larger weapon. Go ahead, pick up a SPAS-12 and try not to feel revolted by the weight. I can also assume that you've never tried operating the "controls" on one. It's like Franchi would rather you never be able to even pump the damn thing. (sorry, MPM08, I don't ''own'' one either, but I did get the... "privilege"... to try one out).--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 15:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

::- I've read plenty of stuff about the SPAS, and from what I gather, the overall quality and practicality of the gun is questionable at best. I've read several things and notes, some good and some bad, and 'seems questionable' is the overall opinion I make. I won't ever have a valid personal opinion of my own until I try one out for myself - and until then, I will speak with no certainty of any kind about the SPAS. I will say that the others have a point about the weight though - 9 lbs is actually quite heavy for a shoulder-arm, especially for one you might have to lug around for a while. Nonetheless, nobody's trying to discount you because you like them. I think it does look cool and awesome, and like it to that extent myself. But I think the same way about a number of guns, some of which are no better than the SPAS in terms of practical use. Good aesthetics is nice but it doesn't automatically equal a great firearm. Like you, I'd still like to handle one, if only to see for myself whether or not it is that bad. In the end, I will give MPM's word some considerable weight, as the man has handled more firearms than I can even count (and indeed owns about that many). To Franchi's credit, I will give them a bit of a break for trying to be somewhat innovative. Even if it didn't work all that well in the case of the SPAS, it helped pave the way for the Benelli M3 and probably helped some other concepts as well that do work. But overall, in a practical sense, the weapon is not the most desirable from what I've read. Again, that's my own view though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:23, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks StanTheMan my head was about to explode. :) I am diffidently giving MPM's word some considerable weight. Frankly, I don't give a damn about weight. A fully kited M16A4 or other like assault rifles weighs 10 pounds or even more, a milled receiver AK-47 type III weighs over 10 pounds, and a Thompson Sub Machine Gun weighs almost 14 pounds! I don't even know how much an AA12 weighs, 10 to 16 pounds. revolted by the weight, please. And I can't sign because I don't have an account, and I don't know if I want one anymore, because every gun page I go on everybody hates every gun, the 92FS, 1911, G36, MP5, Tommy Gun etc. God the SPAS 12 isn't like the L85A1 or something.

Look, the SPAS is an awful weapon. the Irish Army Rangers figured that out pretty quick and booted it in favor of the Benelli M3T. the Striker and protecta are meant for lightning assault and ambushes. USAS is a very well made shotgun. the High Standards Model 10A is a very innovative shotgun. the Saiga 12K is the BEST shotgun in my mind, Semi Auto, Magazine Fed, Reliable and light. it is much better than the SPAS. i can think of nearly 15+ shotguns that would beet the SPAS in nearly any category. and by the way Badassness is not a real category-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:I thought people gave up SPAS 12 because it was "big and heavy" not because it was unreliable. Kinda like the Navy SEALs gave up the Mark. 23 because it was "big and heavy".

no, the SPAS was dumped because the IAR decided it was unreliable and not worth the price. then the adopted by the M3t. BTW you right about the MK23 but that was a reliable pistol. plus the P226, the MK23 replacement held more ammo. which was good for Log Range Recon patrols.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:That sucks, the SOCOM only holds three less rounds and it's a very controllable and accurate .45

I agree. A very good .45 is the HK45-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:Not good as the MK23 though. :(

Well, at least I have the Benelli M1014/M4 to fall back on. :P -(The guy who liked The SPAS 12 and fussed about it but doesn't own one. :P) Edit: I just found out that the later model SPAS 12s in nearly new condition are very reliable with almost all types of shotgun ammunition in semi-auto and are much easier to pump, look here [http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=c61939ed37126617a3e1a46d5f017e89&t=60729/ link] idk, what do you think. :)

I really hate these people that speak of experiance when they don't have any. No the MK23 isn't worth the price, neither is the USP or the HK45. If you want on my page is a link that sums up what I think of HK that is truthful.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:What are you talking about! The MK23 is a great handgun, it's just kinda big and heavy. The USP may not be as accurate as the 92FS or the P220/P226 but it's a excellent and high quality handgun. What's your problem? Are you the same guy who hates the Beretta 92FS?
::No, the Mk23 is a terrible handgun. It may be accurate and reliable, but there are ''dozens'' of other weapons that are just as reliable and accurate without being an awkward, oversized, poorly balanced foot-long piece of metal that costs $2,000. And how does him hating the MK.23 have anything to do with the 92F?--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

The guns that I hate are the ones that don't work and the newer HK guns. I'm pretty biased against them because of their overpriced guns and them crapping on the civilians. I think the 92 is a wonderful handgun. If you decide to make an account, answer this, how is the USP series worth the higher price? What makes it high quality?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==Just protected this page==
Don't like completely ANONYMOUS IP addresses arguing with folks. Once you get to a certain point of talking with (and more importantly arguing with IMFDB members) you had better make an account so that you have a contribution history. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised that this whole site isn't locked so that only people with accounts can post. That would weed alot of the idiots out.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

::''I really hate these people that speak of experiance when they don't have any.''

::With all due respect, Mr. Five-Two-Seven, the fact that you've read Larry Correia's "HK. Because you suck." blog post doesn't make you any more "experienced" than most of the people on here (I posted that article for discussion on IMFDB's forum almost two years ago). You aren't even old enough to purchase long guns, let alone pistols. You really might want to stop running around and touting your own expertise; since you claim you hate other people who do it, it's hard not to think of you as a hypocrite. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I know it's a gun site but, FOOL(FIVETWOSEVEN) YOU JUST GOT OWNED IN THE FACE!-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
Besides HK is an awesome firearms manufacturer.

Just because a manufacturer makes good products doesn't mean they can't be overhyped. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

I guess thats true. anytime whether combat or just collecting you always diversify, don't just stick with your favorite brand. either way HK is preeeetty high up there on my list.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

==Butt hook==
What is it for, exactly? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 14:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Franchi SPAS-12

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Talk:The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

2010-12-26T15:45:55Z

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== Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber fitted with stock. ==

I just watched the Good, bad ugly movie. I do not believe the bounty hunter is using the "Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber fitted with stock" as shown in the photo. In the photo the bounty hounters left hand is supporting his right hands wrist which makes it look like a revolver with a stock.
In the next scene you can see the same bounty hounter spin his revolver before holstering it.
You can check it out yourself. I recommend the entry to be removed.
[[Special:Contributions/83.253.37.85|83.253.37.85]] 19:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:GBUColtArmy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Bounty Hunter approaches Tuco with the Colt Army, fitted with a stock.]]
I think you're right. His left hand hand is holding his right wrist. You can see his thumb. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

::Its been almost 6 months. Will someone plz change the article?
[[Special:Contributions/83.253.32.171|83.253.32.171]] 19:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

There a South Korean remake called the The Good, the Bad, the Weird. from what I have seen is fallow the original plot but is based in Manchuria china during the 1930 when Japan starts invade china.

The Good is a bounty hunter and uses a Winchester Model 1873 carbine, double-barreled side-by-side shotgun, and a unknown revolver

The Bad a well dressed a bandit/hitman uses a Webley revolver

The Weird is a thief that carry's two Walther P38

== Colt M1917 ==

Looking at the supposed Colt M1917, I don't think it is. If you look close, it doesn't appear to have a trigger guard, and the lanyard ring and grip look wrong to me. I think it might actually be an Italian Bodeo 1889. That said the picture isn't clear enough for me to judge - anyone else care to weigh in? - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]
:Actually, it's got to be a Bodeo. You can see the locking spring for the folding trigger. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Gun shop Storekeepers speech ==

When Tuco demands to see "better" quality revolvers the storekeeper takes him over to a display case, does anyone have the exact lines spoken as the storekeeper removes the pistols and places them on top of the case?--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 18:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Storekeeper - "Here, Remington, Colt, a Root, Smith-Wesson, Colt - navy, Joslyn, another Remington, and this one..."
Tuco - "That's enough."

:From the DVD. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 19:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Percussion Revolver ==
I assume that a "cartridge revolver" is a revolver that person who isn't a gun expert (like me) would call "normal" - i.e. loaded with bullets. But what exactly is a "percussion revolver"? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 20:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== percussion revolvers ==

Percussion revolvers were the forerunners of cartridge revolvers. The action is the same but the difference is the method of loading. Percussion revolvers were loaded by pouring loose powder into each of the six chambers of the cylinder, a round ball was then placed in the chamber and pressed into place against the powder charge using the loading lever which is located along the bottom of the barrel. This of course was done in turn for each chamber. A "percussion cap" was then placed on each "nipple" located at the rear of the cylinder. When struck by the hammer, the percussion cap produced a spark which traveled through the nipple into the loaded chamber thus igniting the powder charge.

::Wow, that sounds.. old :P. Thanks for the info! [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 15:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

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Sentient6: /* Percussion Revolver */

Talk:The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

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Talk:The Hurt Locker

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==The helmet covers==
I know the military seems awesome and all, but they screw up sometimes too. They don't always issue the right shit, like the Marines in Generation Kill were issued the wrong camo for desert operations. Especially helmet covers. They are really bad on those. So it doesn't designate that hes EOD, it just shows that the Army screws up -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:Except that the Marines in the 2003 were issued woodland camo because the USMC already were replacing the desert camo and the woodland camo with MARPAT. Hence that Iceman was wearing MARPAT and so were the officers. The Army replaced the Desert Camo and the Woodland camo in 2005 so it's unlikely that in 2007 (the year the movie takes place) there would be still camouflage needed replacing. It's most likely that the Prop Department didn't have enough UCP helmet covers. The Prop Department also screwed up by giving a lot of soldiers PASGT helmets. By 2007 the MICH TC-2000 Combat Helmet had completely replaced the PASGT helmet.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the USMC was issued MARPAT in 2003, but per the Army, the Woodland and DCU were officially no longer regulation at the end of October 2006. Even from that time, it took months for soldiers to get gear completely replaced. A rule of thumb ever since the American Civil War and one that applies today is that it takes about a YEAR from an official change to filter down to all soldiers in a theatre of operations.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

*The woodland cover is probably just a stylistic choice on the part of the director to make Sergeant James more distinctive from the other members of the team and to enhance his "outsider" status. As for the PASGT helmets, The Hurt Locker is an indie film that was produced on a limited budget by most action movie standards, so it is far cheaper just to outfit everyone in the background with the existing PASGT helmets rather than to purchase genuine or replica MICH helmets. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:I agree. Makes more sense.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, I can't remember where the movie specifies when it takes place.-protoAuthor

::* Definitely right about the military screwing up, or sometimes new kit taking longer to get in service. I worked with US troops in 2007 that were still using mixed camouflage and ALICE gear. Out of a whole battalion I think like 5 guys had all the new stuff. Hell, sometimes it depends on what base you get issued your kit at. I got my tans in Winnipeg and got the old desert boots, everyone who kitted in Edmonton got the new ones. - Nyles
:Sometimes they don't even issue people the correct sidearms due to limited supplies. For example, My cousin was issued a very old M1911 when he joined the Navy (He now has a privately owned Desert Warrior)and many of the people that he was with ddn't get the M9 either-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Could be worse, we've used the Inglis Hi Power so long we don't have anything else in stores but 1050 Sig P225s we bought for MPs in the 90s. I wasn't even supposed to get one until they dug up a few more spares - I was literally last on the list to get one, the two guys in my section with names later in the alphabet didn't! Couldn't even get a shoulder holster because all the senior officers got them all.
:Alright, I found out that this movie is set in 2004. Won't UCP be a inaccuracy?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::This movie isn't set in 2004; it's set in 2007, the same year it was filmed. I'm not sure why people think it's set in 2004. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:::Well, rotten tomatoes seems to agree with me. [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hurt_locker/ RottenTomatoes page] .
"In the summer of 2004". Mark Boal was also in Iraq in 2004.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Rotten Tomatoes could be wrong, too. They aren't exactly the official source. It's possible that whoever wrote the entry just assumed that because Mark Boal was in Iraq in 2004, the movie was set at the same time. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::NPR agrees with me too. [http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105964997].--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

:Saw it again today. Yeah, it's set in 2004.-protoAuthor 05:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::The reviews indicate 2004, but iirc there is no explicit reference to that year in the movie, unless there was a scene that I forgot.--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 07:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

How about the beginning caption when the movie opens that says "Baghdad 2004".
:::Little off question. Why most hi-speeds ignore helmet covers? Pimpin'?

== Watermarked pic ==

Putting this picture here until I can find one that doesn't have the watermark on it.

[[Image:THL M4A1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|James and Sanborn open fire with their M4A1's at a pair of insurgents attempting to hold Eldridge prisoner. They manage to kill the pair, but Eldridge is hit in the femur thereafter.]] --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Rank Issue.

I believe Renner's character wore Sergeant First Class (E-7 - Three stripes up with two rockers below) chevrons. This is a rank that is one grade higher than Staff Sergeant. Also, SSGT is not an abriviation used by the US Army as SSG is used instead.
:SSGT is Marine Corps abbreviation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

SSGT may be a USMC designation but this movie is about US Army Soldiers, not Marines.
:Yes, we already know that. I was pointing out that SSGT is the Marine Corps abbreviation for the rank, not that the soldiers in the movie were Marines. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' symbols at the end of it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== Glock? ==

Is that a Glock 23 or 19? im so bad with glocks :(

:It's always hard to tell Glock models based on bore diameter, but IMFDB's rule of thumb is to assume that a pistol is a 9mm model unless we have inside information that the gun is another caliber, or unless there is a close-up of the slide where we can see caliber/model number markings. We do know that historically, movie armorers have tended to use 9mm pistols because this caliber is the easiest and most reliable to convert to blank-fire. So it's a safe bet that this Glock is probably a G19. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:37, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Think about it: If a contractor in the middle east is carrying a Glock, would it be a 19 or a 23? How easy do you think it is to find some 40sw there?

:Right, but that would be '''real life''', whereas this is a '''movie'''. Since this is a site about guns in '''movies''', what's relevant to us is what caliber pistols are most likely to be in the inventory of Hollywood's '''prop houses'''. The movie armorers who are readers/members of this very site have told us that prop houses tend to stock mostly 9mm pistols. Sometimes, I feel that trying to explain this stuff to people is like spitting into the wind. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just removed some commentary by another person who actually tried to make the argument using a reference to the real-life availability of Glock 19s in Iraq. It's not that I disagree the pistol is probably a Glock 19 - but I find it unfathomable that anyone could fail to understand that there's a difference between real and life and what armorers bring to a movie set. Am I just too OCD, or is it downright retarded to use real life to argue what guns are used in a movie? How is it that people can't grasp the difference? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:::It is not unfathomable to think that the film makers might have actually done research and asked themselves what kind of weapons a British contractor might use in Iraq. I feel this is especially so because he is also using an AK. If they didn't do any research why not just give him an AR or SA80? I personally know British contractors who carry Ak's and Hi Powers or Glock 19's because they are reliable,easy to get ammo for, and readily available. Since movies are meant to mirror real life in some ways, maybe you are retarded to not realize that it might be relevant to the film maker what would be available and likely for a character to carry. -[[User:Captain America]]

::::Yes, of course the directors are going to ask for weapons that match the characters as accurately as possible, and they will ask the armorers (the people who supply and handle the weapons on the show) for advise on the correct weapons. One would, for instance, expect U.S. Army personnel in Vietnam to have XM16E1s or M16A1s, not the modern-day M4 used by today's troops. That being said, when it comes to something as minor as the particular caliber of a weapon (which looks identical to the same weapon in a different caliber), there isn't some iron law that the exact variant of a weapon in a movie (i.e. Glock 19 vs. Glock 23) absolutely '''has''' to accurately mirror what it would be in real life.

::::If you ever look at some of the pages on this site for WWII movies, you will notice that the Colt MK IV Series 70 in 9x19mm has often been used to stand-in for the [[M1911A1]] (which was the correct service pistol for the U.S. at the time). The reason for this is that for years, movie armorers had difficulty converting .45 ACP pistols to reliable blank-fire, so they used 9mm 1911 stand-ins (some of which are historical anachronisms) because they knew audience was not likely to recognize the difference. The same applies to Glocks - most armorers use (and still use) 9mm Glocks because that's what they had in stock. So they often use 9mm Glocks regardless of what the model should be in real life, because they know that even gun experts will not be able to tell the difference. That is the point I am making here. If your sole reference for a specific weapon in a movie is what it ''should'' be in real life, then you are thinking the wrong way. As our own MPM2008 (who is a movie armorer) has told us many times, the reality of movie gun use differs from the reality of real life ''very'' often. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

::::I understand the difference between movie guns and real guns completely. I just don't understand why someone would make an assumption that the Glock in this movie was a 23 when, as you said, people who are familiar with movie guns would know that they tend to be 9mm. Add to that the context of the movie, and again, why would someone even guess it was a 23? I wasn't disagreeing with you, just stating that sometimes the "movie" gun used does not necessarily represent what the character is "supposed" to be carrying in the movie. Much like the Browning Hi Power used in Raiders of the Lost Ark. In the original script and artwork, Indy is "supposed" to be carrying a Colt 1911. But as we all know it back in the day it was hard to get .45's to function with blanks, so a BHP was used, thus still creating debate between what "was used" and what was "supposed to be" used. That was my only point about what a "real life" PSC would have used.-[[User:Captain America]]

I was the guy who originally stated it may be a G23. For the record, all I did was comment on the bore size, and said it looked kinda big for a 9mm. Someone took that to change the page.-AC

After doing some research, it seems that Glcok 19s are the prefered handgun of most contractors in Iraq. From Blackwater, to Armour Group.-AC

:Your research is irrelevant. Again, '''we don't care about real life.''' What matters is what the '''movie's armorers''' had in inventory. Thinking about real life is the wrong way to make your case, as I've said repeatedly on this page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Agree, but for plot purposes, its probally supposed to be a 19.-AC

Why does there continue to be a disclaimer about the Glock? The OP admitted he guessed at the fact it was a 23 to begin with. Everyone agrees it is a 19. So then there is a disclaimer saying that it could be a 23 but it's not? The gun should simple be identified as what it is agreed to be. If there is a footnote, it should be on this discussion page.

== Movie Connections ==

Does this sucessful movie have any connections with the Matt Damon movie "Green Zone"?

Doubt it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:Aside from taking place in Baghdad, it's doubtful. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just saw ''Green Zone'' recently, and I can say that there is zero connection, besides the fact that both movies had the same cinematographer (according to one review I read). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

:The Green Zone had a lot more Matt Damon shaking the camera during the action scenes [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Blood covered rounds?? ==

Would the blood on the Barrett rounds really be enough to jam them in the chamber? I could maybe see it if the blood were dried on & formed any sort of crusty residue (ICK!!)... [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe if there was a lot of blood and it congealed within the magazine. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::Doesn't seem like there was that much time for the blood to coag, but it does sound plausible actually. There wasn't much of a time element to the scene I guess... thanks for the theory tho! [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Just looking at the condition of that Barret with all the dust and sand, I would think that just that would be enough to jam the weapon.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 22:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I assumed the sand that was kicking about would stick to the blood on the round, and tats what would cause a jam. Tho i also thought it would have been easier to empty the mag, and load the rounds into the breech directly, one shot at a time - Captain Snikt

== Taking it a bit further... ==

If I may dork out a little more, it looked like he was using a SOG Power Plier multitool in the beginning, but later switched to a Leatherman Wave. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

== Barrett Shells ==
When Sanborn is using the barrett, as he reloads you can see the magazine is loaded with (live?) rounds in one shot, and then in another shot, as he is inserting the magazine, the shells have no bullets in them. And right after this, they show another shot of the mag and it is loaded with live rounds again. WTF? --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 14:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

:You sure they are live rounds? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

What I mean is that they have the appearance of live rounds. They have the slug in the shell casing. But when Sanborn reloads, they show two different shots. In one, he holds a loaded magazine, but in the other he has what looks like just empty shell casings. Watch the part again if you can and tell me what you think. --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 12:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Airsoft? ==

Ok, who put the Airsoft M4 there and what proof is there that there are Airsoft M4s? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

In some scenes, Sandborn and Eldridge have Classic Army M15A4 airsoft rifle replicas.
Like this one - http://shop.georgiaairsoft.com/ProductImages/CA%20M15A4%20CARBINE%20RIS%20AEG%20NEW%20MODEL%20WEBSIZE%20IMAGE.jpg - If you look closely at recievers of their guns, you would see the white "Armalite" logo partially covered with black paint and Save - Semi - Auto highlighted with white paint on the fire selector. As far as I know, no real AR-15 manufacurer (apart from the HK and their HK-416) does not highlight markings on AR-15 recievers with white paint.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1981/hurtlockerm15a4.jpg

[Ragnar - unregistered viewer]

::::I just watched this movie on Blu Ray again, and I can confirm that yes, the non-firing M4s in the movie are Classic Army airsoft replicas (some of them don't even have completely blacked-out markings). We've already pointed out that the buttstocks of the M4s in the movie keep changing from 6-position to 4-position types. From what I can tell, any time you see an M4 with a 4-position stock, it's a Classic Army replica. The real M4s used in the movie all have 6-position stocks. They probably used the Classic Army weapons so that the actors could handle them when the armorer wasn't on-set. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

::What exactly ''are'' Airsoft replicas, and how are they so different from the actual rifles (so they can be used on set w/o an armorer present, as mentioned in the article)?[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't understand...are you asking what airsoft guns are? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::I think he's asking what airsoft is. Airsoft replicas are replicas of real world firarms that shoot plastic BBs and can be powered by CO2, springs, even electric motors. High quality airsoft replicas are often used when it is more economical to do so, since they are less expensive than actual firearms. The trained eye can spot a lot of instances of this in this movie - burgershot621

:::::They don't use airsoft guns because they're less expensive. The real guns you see in movies aren't ''bought''; they are ''rented'' (usually, on a weekly basis). Airsoft guns are used in locations where the gun laws are so restrictive that real can't be handled on-set without a licensed armorer present (i.e. Jordan, where this movie was filmed). Since airsoft guns are not real, they can be handled by the actors when the armorer isn't on-set, which saves money. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::I stand corrected, they are less expensive to use on set. - Burgershot621

:::::::Yeah, I was asking what Airsoft replicas are.. Thanks for the answer =) - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 16:14, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== M 136. ==

One of the soldiers near the end, that has cordoned off the forced suicide bomber has an M-136 on his back. It can be seen fairly clearly, when he pulls the interpretor behind cover.

:Correct. Also, the guy who apprehends James at the checkpoint (after his vigilante mission) has what seems to be a Remington 870 folder. I'll get them all added when I do the Blu-Ray update to this page (can't give an ETA yet, but hopefully this weekend). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:13, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Didn't notice the remington.

On a sidenote, what pistol does James have when he goes on his little vigilante crusade? Most of the camera angles for that part, make it hard to identify the trigger guard.
:It's a Beretta 92 series. I'm pretty sure it was a 92FS, from the hooked trigger, but I'll have to check. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 10:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Six wheeled armore vehicles. ==

What models are those six whelled APCs seen throughout the movie? I dont know if this site is a good place to ask this, but i cant find it anywhere.

Also, I assume there stand-ins for Strikers.-AC
:::The vehicles are South African Ratel IFVs, likely borrowed from the Royal Jordanian Land Force (where the movie was filmed). IMCDB has a thorough list of the vehicles if you are interested. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

== Eldridge's Eye Protection ==
Although it may be irrelevant, does anyone happen to know what brand or type of eye protection (or shooting glasses) that Eldridge uses throughout the movie? Thanks. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 08:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

also someone know what gloves Sanborn wears in the beretta pick I've been wanting to get fingerless for some time now G36 have crappy small trigger guards and my oakleys just don't fit to well and I don't wanna cut em up since they were expensive as shit

:They are Blackhawk Furys w/Nomex and the fingers cut off. Sad to say they are just as expensive as the Oakley ones. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 03:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

==Blu-Ray update finished==

Sorry it took me so long. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== James' Knife ==

Can anyone tell me what knife James had in his hand after disarming the "Send Us All To Jesus" VB-IED? The one he throws in the back before Sanborn thumps him.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.

Benchmade 155. Your welcome. Gunner313

Talk:The Hurt Locker

2010-12-13T01:28:25Z

Sentient6: /* Airsoft? */

==The helmet covers==
I know the military seems awesome and all, but they screw up sometimes too. They don't always issue the right shit, like the Marines in Generation Kill were issued the wrong camo for desert operations. Especially helmet covers. They are really bad on those. So it doesn't designate that hes EOD, it just shows that the Army screws up -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:Except that the Marines in the 2003 were issued woodland camo because the USMC already were replacing the desert camo and the woodland camo with MARPAT. Hence that Iceman was wearing MARPAT and so were the officers. The Army replaced the Desert Camo and the Woodland camo in 2005 so it's unlikely that in 2007 (the year the movie takes place) there would be still camouflage needed replacing. It's most likely that the Prop Department didn't have enough UCP helmet covers. The Prop Department also screwed up by giving a lot of soldiers PASGT helmets. By 2007 the MICH TC-2000 Combat Helmet had completely replaced the PASGT helmet.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the USMC was issued MARPAT in 2003, but per the Army, the Woodland and DCU were officially no longer regulation at the end of October 2006. Even from that time, it took months for soldiers to get gear completely replaced. A rule of thumb ever since the American Civil War and one that applies today is that it takes about a YEAR from an official change to filter down to all soldiers in a theatre of operations.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

*The woodland cover is probably just a stylistic choice on the part of the director to make Sergeant James more distinctive from the other members of the team and to enhance his "outsider" status. As for the PASGT helmets, The Hurt Locker is an indie film that was produced on a limited budget by most action movie standards, so it is far cheaper just to outfit everyone in the background with the existing PASGT helmets rather than to purchase genuine or replica MICH helmets. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:I agree. Makes more sense.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, I can't remember where the movie specifies when it takes place.-protoAuthor

::* Definitely right about the military screwing up, or sometimes new kit taking longer to get in service. I worked with US troops in 2007 that were still using mixed camouflage and ALICE gear. Out of a whole battalion I think like 5 guys had all the new stuff. Hell, sometimes it depends on what base you get issued your kit at. I got my tans in Winnipeg and got the old desert boots, everyone who kitted in Edmonton got the new ones. - Nyles
:Sometimes they don't even issue people the correct sidearms due to limited supplies. For example, My cousin was issued a very old M1911 when he joined the Navy (He now has a privately owned Desert Warrior)and many of the people that he was with ddn't get the M9 either-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Could be worse, we've used the Inglis Hi Power so long we don't have anything else in stores but 1050 Sig P225s we bought for MPs in the 90s. I wasn't even supposed to get one until they dug up a few more spares - I was literally last on the list to get one, the two guys in my section with names later in the alphabet didn't! Couldn't even get a shoulder holster because all the senior officers got them all.
:Alright, I found out that this movie is set in 2004. Won't UCP be a inaccuracy?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::This movie isn't set in 2004; it's set in 2007, the same year it was filmed. I'm not sure why people think it's set in 2004. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:::Well, rotten tomatoes seems to agree with me. [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hurt_locker/ RottenTomatoes page] .
"In the summer of 2004". Mark Boal was also in Iraq in 2004.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Rotten Tomatoes could be wrong, too. They aren't exactly the official source. It's possible that whoever wrote the entry just assumed that because Mark Boal was in Iraq in 2004, the movie was set at the same time. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::NPR agrees with me too. [http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105964997].--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

:Saw it again today. Yeah, it's set in 2004.-protoAuthor 05:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::The reviews indicate 2004, but iirc there is no explicit reference to that year in the movie, unless there was a scene that I forgot.--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 07:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

How about the beginning caption when the movie opens that says "Baghdad 2004".
:::Little off question. Why most hi-speeds ignore helmet covers? Pimpin'?

== Watermarked pic ==

Putting this picture here until I can find one that doesn't have the watermark on it.

[[Image:THL M4A1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|James and Sanborn open fire with their M4A1's at a pair of insurgents attempting to hold Eldridge prisoner. They manage to kill the pair, but Eldridge is hit in the femur thereafter.]] --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Rank Issue.

I believe Renner's character wore Sergeant First Class (E-7 - Three stripes up with two rockers below) chevrons. This is a rank that is one grade higher than Staff Sergeant. Also, SSGT is not an abriviation used by the US Army as SSG is used instead.
:SSGT is Marine Corps abbreviation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

SSGT may be a USMC designation but this movie is about US Army Soldiers, not Marines.
:Yes, we already know that. I was pointing out that SSGT is the Marine Corps abbreviation for the rank, not that the soldiers in the movie were Marines. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' symbols at the end of it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== Glock? ==

Is that a Glock 23 or 19? im so bad with glocks :(

:It's always hard to tell Glock models based on bore diameter, but IMFDB's rule of thumb is to assume that a pistol is a 9mm model unless we have inside information that the gun is another caliber, or unless there is a close-up of the slide where we can see caliber/model number markings. We do know that historically, movie armorers have tended to use 9mm pistols because this caliber is the easiest and most reliable to convert to blank-fire. So it's a safe bet that this Glock is probably a G19. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:37, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Think about it: If a contractor in the middle east is carrying a Glock, would it be a 19 or a 23? How easy do you think it is to find some 40sw there?

:Right, but that would be '''real life''', whereas this is a '''movie'''. Since this is a site about guns in '''movies''', what's relevant to us is what caliber pistols are most likely to be in the inventory of Hollywood's '''prop houses'''. The movie armorers who are readers/members of this very site have told us that prop houses tend to stock mostly 9mm pistols. Sometimes, I feel that trying to explain this stuff to people is like spitting into the wind. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just removed some commentary by another person who actually tried to make the argument using a reference to the real-life availability of Glock 19s in Iraq. It's not that I disagree the pistol is probably a Glock 19 - but I find it unfathomable that anyone could fail to understand that there's a difference between real and life and what armorers bring to a movie set. Am I just too OCD, or is it downright retarded to use real life to argue what guns are used in a movie? How is it that people can't grasp the difference? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:::It is not unfathomable to think that the film makers might have actually done research and asked themselves what kind of weapons a British contractor might use in Iraq. I feel this is especially so because he is also using an AK. If they didn't do any research why not just give him an AR or SA80? I personally know British contractors who carry Ak's and Hi Powers or Glock 19's because they are reliable,easy to get ammo for, and readily available. Since movies are meant to mirror real life in some ways, maybe you are retarded to not realize that it might be relevant to the film maker what would be available and likely for a character to carry. -[[User:Captain America]]

::::Yes, of course the directors are going to ask for weapons that match the characters as accurately as possible, and they will ask the armorers (the people who supply and handle the weapons on the show) for advise on the correct weapons. One would, for instance, expect U.S. Army personnel in Vietnam to have XM16E1s or M16A1s, not the modern-day M4 used by today's troops. That being said, when it comes to something as minor as the particular caliber of a weapon (which looks identical to the same weapon in a different caliber), there isn't some iron law that the exact variant of a weapon in a movie (i.e. Glock 19 vs. Glock 23) absolutely '''has''' to accurately mirror what it would be in real life.

::::If you ever look at some of the pages on this site for WWII movies, you will notice that the Colt MK IV Series 70 in 9x19mm has often been used to stand-in for the [[M1911A1]] (which was the correct service pistol for the U.S. at the time). The reason for this is that for years, movie armorers had difficulty converting .45 ACP pistols to reliable blank-fire, so they used 9mm 1911 stand-ins (some of which are historical anachronisms) because they knew audience was not likely to recognize the difference. The same applies to Glocks - most armorers use (and still use) 9mm Glocks because that's what they had in stock. So they often use 9mm Glocks regardless of what the model should be in real life, because they know that even gun experts will not be able to tell the difference. That is the point I am making here. If your sole reference for a specific weapon in a movie is what it ''should'' be in real life, then you are thinking the wrong way. As our own MPM2008 (who is a movie armorer) has told us many times, the reality of movie gun use differs from the reality of real life ''very'' often. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

::::I understand the difference between movie guns and real guns completely. I just don't understand why someone would make an assumption that the Glock in this movie was a 23 when, as you said, people who are familiar with movie guns would know that they tend to be 9mm. Add to that the context of the movie, and again, why would someone even guess it was a 23? I wasn't disagreeing with you, just stating that sometimes the "movie" gun used does not necessarily represent what the character is "supposed" to be carrying in the movie. Much like the Browning Hi Power used in Raiders of the Lost Ark. In the original script and artwork, Indy is "supposed" to be carrying a Colt 1911. But as we all know it back in the day it was hard to get .45's to function with blanks, so a BHP was used, thus still creating debate between what "was used" and what was "supposed to be" used. That was my only point about what a "real life" PSC would have used.-[[User:Captain America]]

I was the guy who originally stated it may be a G23. For the record, all I did was comment on the bore size, and said it looked kinda big for a 9mm. Someone took that to change the page.-AC

After doing some research, it seems that Glcok 19s are the prefered handgun of most contractors in Iraq. From Blackwater, to Armour Group.-AC

:Your research is irrelevant. Again, '''we don't care about real life.''' What matters is what the '''movie's armorers''' had in inventory. Thinking about real life is the wrong way to make your case, as I've said repeatedly on this page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Agree, but for plot purposes, its probally supposed to be a 19.-AC

Why does there continue to be a disclaimer about the Glock? The OP admitted he guessed at the fact it was a 23 to begin with. Everyone agrees it is a 19. So then there is a disclaimer saying that it could be a 23 but it's not? The gun should simple be identified as what it is agreed to be. If there is a footnote, it should be on this discussion page.

== Movie Connections ==

Does this sucessful movie have any connections with the Matt Damon movie "Green Zone"?

Doubt it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:Aside from taking place in Baghdad, it's doubtful. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just saw ''Green Zone'' recently, and I can say that there is zero connection, besides the fact that both movies had the same cinematographer (according to one review I read). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

:The Green Zone had a lot more Matt Damon shaking the camera during the action scenes [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Blood covered rounds?? ==

Would the blood on the Barrett rounds really be enough to jam them in the chamber? I could maybe see it if the blood were dried on & formed any sort of crusty residue (ICK!!)... [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe if there was a lot of blood and it congealed within the magazine. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::Doesn't seem like there was that much time for the blood to coag, but it does sound plausible actually. There wasn't much of a time element to the scene I guess... thanks for the theory tho! [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Just looking at the condition of that Barret with all the dust and sand, I would think that just that would be enough to jam the weapon.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 22:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I assumed the sand that was kicking about would stick to the blood on the round, and tats what would cause a jam. Tho i also thought it would have been easier to empty the mag, and load the rounds into the breech directly, one shot at a time - Captain Snikt

== Taking it a bit further... ==

If I may dork out a little more, it looked like he was using a SOG Power Plier multitool in the beginning, but later switched to a Leatherman Wave. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

== Barrett Shells ==
When Sanborn is using the barrett, as he reloads you can see the magazine is loaded with (live?) rounds in one shot, and then in another shot, as he is inserting the magazine, the shells have no bullets in them. And right after this, they show another shot of the mag and it is loaded with live rounds again. WTF? --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 14:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

:You sure they are live rounds? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

What I mean is that they have the appearance of live rounds. They have the slug in the shell casing. But when Sanborn reloads, they show two different shots. In one, he holds a loaded magazine, but in the other he has what looks like just empty shell casings. Watch the part again if you can and tell me what you think. --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 12:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Airsoft? ==

Ok, who put the Airsoft M4 there and what proof is there that there are Airsoft M4s? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

In some scenes, Sandborn and Eldridge have Classic Army M15A4 airsoft rifle replicas.
Like this one - http://shop.georgiaairsoft.com/ProductImages/CA%20M15A4%20CARBINE%20RIS%20AEG%20NEW%20MODEL%20WEBSIZE%20IMAGE.jpg - If you look closely at recievers of their guns, you would see the white "Armalite" logo partially covered with black paint and Save - Semi - Auto highlighted with white paint on the fire selector. As far as I know, no real AR-15 manufacurer (apart from the HK and their HK-416) does not highlight markings on AR-15 recievers with white paint.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1981/hurtlockerm15a4.jpg

[Ragnar - unregistered viewer]

::::I just watched this movie on Blu Ray again, and I can confirm that yes, the non-firing M4s in the movie are Classic Army airsoft replicas (some of them don't even have completely blacked-out markings). We've already pointed out that the buttstocks of the M4s in the movie keep changing from 6-position to 4-position types. From what I can tell, any time you see an M4 with a 4-position stock, it's a Classic Army replica. The real M4s used in the movie all have 6-position stocks. They probably used the Classic Army weapons so that the actors could handle them when the armorer wasn't on-set. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

::What exactly ''are'' Airsoft replicas, and how are they so different from the actual rifles (so they can be used on set w/o an armorer present, as mentioned in the article)?[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== M 136. ==

One of the soldiers near the end, that has cordoned off the forced suicide bomber has an M-136 on his back. It can be seen fairly clearly, when he pulls the interpretor behind cover.

:Correct. Also, the guy who apprehends James at the checkpoint (after his vigilante mission) has what seems to be a Remington 870 folder. I'll get them all added when I do the Blu-Ray update to this page (can't give an ETA yet, but hopefully this weekend). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:13, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Didn't notice the remington.

On a sidenote, what pistol does James have when he goes on his little vigilante crusade? Most of the camera angles for that part, make it hard to identify the trigger guard.
:It's a Beretta 92 series. I'm pretty sure it was a 92FS, from the hooked trigger, but I'll have to check. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 10:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Six wheeled armore vehicles. ==

What models are those six whelled APCs seen throughout the movie? I dont know if this site is a good place to ask this, but i cant find it anywhere.

Also, I assume there stand-ins for Strikers.-AC
:::The vehicles are South African Ratel IFVs, likely borrowed from the Royal Jordanian Land Force (where the movie was filmed). IMCDB has a thorough list of the vehicles if you are interested. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

== Eldridge's Eye Protection ==
Although it may be irrelevant, does anyone happen to know what brand or type of eye protection (or shooting glasses) that Eldridge uses throughout the movie? Thanks. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 08:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

also someone know what gloves Sanborn wears in the beretta pick I've been wanting to get fingerless for some time now G36 have crappy small trigger guards and my oakleys just don't fit to well and I don't wanna cut em up since they were expensive as shit

==Blu-Ray update finished==

Sorry it took me so long. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== James' Knife ==

Can anyone tell me what knife James had in his hand after disarming the "Send Us All To Jesus" VB-IED? The one he throws in the back before Sanborn thumps him.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.

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Right, I've got a full set of game images for this one now, just need to transfer them to my other PC to edit them since apparently Far Cry thinks one meg is a good size for a 1440x900 JPEG. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 01:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

*And done! [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 04:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::The jokes in this article are awesome. Good Work Dongs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Seconded, this is one of the best video game articles on the site. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 03:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

==M4==
Is it really? The screws that indicate a removable carry handle are missing. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 17:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== Single action/Double action ==

Noticed this in the Desert Eagle section of the article. Can someone explain the difference to me? I'm not a gun expert, but kinda curious about it. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 13:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:Single action is when you have to manually move the hammer every shot. Ever see a cowboy movie? notice how most of the guns you'll see (like the Single Action Army) has the hammer cocked before being fired. Double Action is when a firearm can have the hammer cocked by pulling the trigger, Take the Glock series of handguns for instance, see how they don't have an exposed hammer. This is just the basics, but hope this helped. --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 15:00, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

::Yeah, that made it perfectly clear, thanks a lot. That's pretty much what I thought of, but somehow the idea of manually cocking the Desert Eagle after every shot (like, as you mentioned, an old revolver) didn't sit well with me.. I thought I'd better confirm this. Anyways, thanks again for the info. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 17:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:::Single-action revolvers and semi-automatic pistols don't work the same way. A semi-auto requires manual cocking only before the first shot, the recoil handling the operation from there on. --Fin- 21:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

::::Right then, this completely clears it. Thanks a lot to both of you =)[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 00:16, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Far Cry

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Right, I've got a full set of game images for this one now, just need to transfer them to my other PC to edit them since apparently Far Cry thinks one meg is a good size for a 1440x900 JPEG. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 01:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

*And done! [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 04:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::The jokes in this article are awesome. Good Work Dongs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Seconded, this is one of the best video game articles on the site. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 03:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

==M4==
Is it really? The screws that indicate a removable carry handle are missing. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 17:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== Single action/Double action ==

Noticed this in the Desert Eagle section of the article. Can someone explain the difference to me? I'm not a gun expert, but kinda curious about it. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 13:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:Single action is when you have to manually move the hammer every shot. Ever see a cowboy movie? notice how most of the guns you'll see (like the Single Action Army) has the hammer cocked before being fired. Double Action is when a firearm can have the hammer cocked by pulling the trigger, Take the Glock series of handguns for instance, see how they don't have an exposed hammer. This is just the basics, but hope this helped. --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 15:00, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, that made it perfectly clear, thanks a lot. That's pretty much what I thought of, but somehow the idea of manually cocking the Desert Eagle after every shot (like, as you mentioned, an old revolver) didn't sit well with me.. I thought I'd better confirm this. Anyways, thanks again for the info. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 17:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

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