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Talk:Mosin Nagant Rifle

2019-03-29T19:55:45Z

Seekerdude: /* Mosin Nagant "Obrez" */ new section

==Additional Images==

[[File:M1891 MN rifle bayonet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mosin Nagant M1891 with attachable bayonet - 7.62x54mmR.]]
[[File:M9130-Sniper-PE.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mosin Nagant M1891/30 Sniper Rifle with PE scope - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[File:Dyakonov Rifle Grenade Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1891/30 rifle (7.62x54mm R) with Dyakonov grenade launcher (40.8 mm)]]
[[Image:Mosin Nagant Archangel.jpg||thumb|none|400px|Mosin Nagant "Archangel" with 10-round detachable magazine - 7.62x54mmR]]

==Talk==

The portion of the stock grippied by the firing hand is called the wrist on firearms like this. - Pyrewyrm.

== M*A*S*H M44s ==

Wouldn't it be more likely that the M44s used by the Chinese and North Korean soldiers on this show were actually Chinese Type 53s? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M44_Carbine#China
:We deal with what the prop weapon is, not what would be more "realistic" for it to be. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 17:40, 23 February 2013 (EST)
::According to the wikipedia entry, many Type 53s were imported from China to the US, so it's possible that these are Type 53, but there's no way to be sure. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:51, 23 February 2013 (EST)

== Need Mosin Nagant rifle expertise for article! ==

Hey guys! I've just finished providing photos for a Finnish war movie called "Raja 1918" ([[Border, The (2007)|The Border 1918]]) and I could use your expertise regarding the Mosin Nagant rifles used in the movie. I'm no expert on MN rifles so I want your help! Dudester32 14:10, 5 March 2013 (EST)

== Same model image ? ==

That [[:File:Mosin18913rd.jpg]] is same image as [[:File:Mosin-Nagant-M1891-Infantry.jpg]] ? -- [[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 23:36, 24 March 2018 (JST)
:Similar but not exactly the same. Mosin18913rd is a late version of M91 Infantry, with fully enclosed handguard, while Mosin-Nagant-M1891-Infantry is an original version with open-top handguard. But generally this is the same model. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:36, 24 March 2018 (EDT)
::Should it be better to unify the photos ? -- [[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 1:21, 26 March 2018 (JST)

== Splitting the mega Mosin-Nagant section ==

So I feel like the Mosin-Nagant section is getting quite large and encompassing too many variants at once. Would it be a good idea to split the section into multiple sub-variants? I just want some approval from senior members before I actually start on it. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 12:09, 3 January 2019 (EST)
:I don't think that it's a good idea. All MN rifles are generally the same model, differ only in barrel length and some other details. We keep all Beretta 92 versions on a single page, right? It's the same case. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:33, 3 January 2019 (EST)
::I think he means splitting the one page into multiple sections, not multiple pages. Similar to the aforementioned Beretta, the whole family is on one page, but all the different variants are in separate sections on the page. As for my thoughts on the matter, it'd certainly be a good idea, but quite a daunting task - the Mosin was made in the ''millions'', so they're in a whole lot of different movies and the like. It'd definitely be a good idea to make a "variant unknown" section, similar to the [[Sten]] and [[Desert Eagle]] pages. Also, a little tip: if you click on each photo, you can see where it's used, in order to figure out which variants have appeared where. Best of luck, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:58, 3 January 2019 (EST)
::: If it can be pinpointed which variant was used where, certainly could divide out the variants - we've done it on other rifle pages. That said, the standard long rifles will be toughest as there isn't a hell of a lot of difference between them. The carbines and sniper versions not so difficult to differentiate so perhaps that could be a good place to start. I agree also about a 'variant unknown' section as a kind of buffer. Even then still a lot of work though, as also noted pointed out. Indeed, good luck. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:35, 3 January 2019 (EST)
:::: Great. Thanks for the encouragement guys. I'll start by splitting out the Obrez. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 23:02, 3 January 2019 (EST)
:::::I still object. I made a large contribution in MN page and can say that the exact model of long rifles - M91 Infantry, M91 Dragoon and M91/30 - cannot be identified for sure in many cases. Even M38 Carbines can be mixed up with 91/30 when the gun is seen only partially. So placing a movie into one or another section could be very hypothetical. I would like to know - why any splitting of this page is so dire need? When it works, don't fix it, you know. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:17, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::::: The section is getting way too long. It is inevitable that we will split things up when sections grow too large. The entire AK family could just be one very, very, very large table covering all the AK-47s, AK-74s, foreign AKs, and modified AKs, and it would be very hard to read and navigate. Sooner or later we will have to split things up, and the more we delay it, the harder it will be to split it. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 02:43, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Mosin Nagant "Obrez" ==

due to the lack of concealable firearms and hand gun ammo criminals and rebels cut down their Mosin–Nagant rifles to pistol size for easy concealment. In Russian, such weapons are called "obrez" which means "cut" as rifle ammo (7.62x54R) was eazy to get--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 15:55, 29 March 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Police Story: Lockdown

2019-03-08T00:49:39Z

Seekerdude: Walther PPK = Type 52

the walther PPK is standing in for a Type 52 pistol (original designation in Chinese is 52式7.65mm自动手枪) is a pocket pistol, produced in Peoples Republic of China for domestic police and military officers use The Type 52 pistol is mechanically and externally similar to its German parent, although overall quality, fit and finish of the Chinese copy is noticeably poorer. This pistol was issued to various Chinese law enforcement organizations and some high-ranking military officers and would fit with the story
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 19:49, 7 March 2019 (EST)

Talk:Latest

2017-06-23T21:36:58Z

Seekerdude: /* can any one get word to the site admin */

== New Articles: history available? ==

Even though I try to check IMFDB for new articles (esp. movies) on a daily basis, I am sometimes unable to do so and a few days may go by. Normally this is no problem, but in the case that somebody has created 8 new actor pages for one single movie, I miss out on recently created new articles because 8 is the maximum quantity of entries being displayed on this page. Would there be a way that I can check not just the last 8 entries, but say the entries created in the last week or so? Thanks for your suggestion, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 12:39, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:Try going to Recent Changes then. It's much more extensive. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:43, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:: I agree, 'Recent Changes' is much more in-depth in terms of history, you can scroll for miles on it, even just for the one day. On the flip side, it also sometimes gets newer edits that aren't updated yet on Latest. I check it out concurrently with the 'Latest Changes' page, which I only consider more as a quick reference. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:15, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:::Thanks guys, this is much appreciated. Take care, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 03:20, 27 September 2013 (EDT)
::::If it is new pages you are looking for, [[Special:NewPages]] is the place you can go if you want a list of new ages where you can go back as far as you want. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:45, 27 September 2013 (EDT)

== Broken? ==

Has been showing

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for the last few days.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

: Funny you posted this ''after'' your remark on the Main Page discussion where both this was already noted and where bunni also stated he knew of these issues and was working through them. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:22, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
: What remark? I've never posted on the Main Page discussion.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

::To be fair, he didn't actually post anything on the main page discussion so I would guess that he had not previously seen that topic. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:44, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
::: Bah, my mistake - It was another user (Slon95) who didn't sign their post. Thought it was you for a sec - what I get for juggling too many tabs. Apologies. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:05, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

== can any one get word to the site admin ==

can any one get word to the site admin and let them know this part needs maintenance --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 17:21, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
:There is a topic on the main page stating that it is being worked on, and there is a topic immediately above your's on this page saying the same thing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:28, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

good to know that i am in good company --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 17:36, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Talk:Latest

2017-06-23T21:21:20Z

Seekerdude: /* can any one get word to the site admin */ new section

Talk:Wonder Woman (2017)

2017-06-06T18:34:39Z

Seekerdude: /* Geballte Ladung */ new section

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID this revolver. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:28, 13 December 2016 (EST)
[[File:WW17 506.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:I think it is a [[Reichsrevolver M1883]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:39, 13 December 2016 (EST)

== Geballte Ladung ==

in one of the scenes Chief (Eugene Brave Rock) throws a Model 24 "Geballte Ladung" ("Bundled Charge") for once hollywood does get it right --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 14:34, 6 June 2017 (EDT)

Talk:Killing Them Softly

2017-04-28T00:47:01Z

Seekerdude: /* Sawed off shotgun */

=Cogan's Mossberg 500 "Cruiser" accessories=
The foregrip looks to be a [http://www.surefire.com/illumination/weaponlights/shotgun-forend/mossberg590500.html Surefire 323 series] and the tri-rail mounted in front of it may be [http://www.laserlyte.com/products/adp-trir-140 LASERLYTE ADP-TRIR-140]. I can't tell if the tri-rail adapter is actually fastened down, in the detail below it appears to be canted off center.
:D.K. Green, the General Manager of LaserLyte, confirmed on 10/2/12 that that is indeed a LaserLyte ADP-TRIR-140 tri-rail adapter. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 13:47, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
[[Image:KTS-Mossberg-500-detail-production-still.jpg|608px|none]]

:I think that this same Mossberg was also used by [[Jim Caviezel]] in ''[[Person of Interest]]''. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 10:02, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

=Coogan's automatic=

The automatic Coogan uses in the back of the car at the traffic lights looked like a Browning High Power to me, probably a Mk. III due to the fixed sights it seemed to have. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 21:05, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
:It looked like more of a M1911 to me. I also saw a him with a Colt Detective Special.

I also think he was using a 1911 in the trailer[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 00:25, 3 October 2012 (EDT)
:i think it was a Colt Commander--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] ([[User talk:Dillinger|talk]]) 02:41, 3 October 2012 (EDT)
::Seeing it in the cinema I can almost guarentee it's a Browning, the slide profile and the front matches that of a Browning. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 05:36, 3 October 2012 (EDT)

Can someone ID the type of ammo used ? It doesn't look like a 9mm or .45 shell, maybe an older ammunition - [[User:Sebastian2A|Sebastian2A]] ([[User talk:Sebastian2A|talk]]) 08:16, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

Clearly, the spent casings have a neck on them at the bullet end. The neck looks smaller than the body of the casing at the rim. I know of only one somewhat popular round with such a neck - the .357 Sig. Sig Sauer necked down a .40 Cal casing to hold a 9mm projectile. This increases the velocity of the bullet. According to a policeman I know who carries a Sig Sauer P229 chambered for .357 Sig, the round has a "lightening bolt" effect when it hits someone, and motivates all but the most determined adversaries to stop resisting. I imagine it makes a good assassin round for that reason. I know of only one other somewhat popular round with a neck like that - the 5.7x28 mm round for the FN Five Seven pistol. That pistol makes a loud bang, and the cartridges impart such velocity on some of the bullets as to penetrate some bullet-proof vests and the metal and glass on automobiles.

As to the pistol from which Coogan fired those rounds, I doubt that he used a Five-Seven because those don't have the popularity of 9mm, and that could make it easier for police to find the shooter. So, even though the neck of the casing looks longer than the .357 Sig, I will guess that Coogan fired .357 Sig cartridges. I don't know of a Browning Hi Power chambered for .357 Sig, but until recently Browning offered a .40 Cal version, and gunsmiths could easily machine a barrel chambered for the .357 Sig. I have a hard time imagining Coogan wasting money on that when he could have purchased a Sig Sauer P 229 already chambered in .357 Sig. Anyway, Browning never has, to my knowledge, provided a Hi Power pistol chambered for a necked-down casing like those the film shows that pistol ejecting.
[[User:Bobhurt|Bobhurt]] ([[User talk:Bobhurt|talk]]) 00:32, 4 January 2015 (EST)

:Um, we're looking at a Hollywood movie here, not a documentary about a real assassin. He chose a blank because Coogan isn't real but wrongful death lawsuits are. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 01:43, 4 January 2015 (EST)

[[File:KTS AutoPistol 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Here are also two closer shots of the gun itself:

[[File:KTS AutoPistol 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:KTS AutoPistol 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:That looks like a Hi-Power to me. As for the shell, I'm guessing that's just a crimped 9mm blank casing. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:28, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

==Sawed off shotgun==

What would of happened if a shotgun that's sawed off so much were to be fired in real life? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:13, 30 November 2012 (EST)
Saw the film yesterday. It sure looked like a 1911 to me. What's odd, though, is the bottlenecked cartridges the pistol ejected. Maybe .30 Luger? The Browning Hi Power has been chambered in that caliber, and even a limited run of Colt Commanders in the 1970's. But was that a real pistol firing real ammo with a lot of editing (which is apparent in the scene)? Can't imagine a prop gun chambered for an odd caliber when 9mm blanks are usually what is used.

found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxSjLllBbQ4--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 20:47, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

==Some other guns in the movie to look out for when it's on DVD==
1. One of the guys who kidnapped Ray Liotta had a heavy-barrel six-shot revolver of some type. The other two revolvers seen are both five-shooters. The one that the robber in the beginning used had a rounded wooden grip and no back sights, and the one that Brad Pitt carries has an extremely small frame and cylinder.
2. That's definately an M1911 that Brad Pitt fires in the back of the car. I think digital effects made the bullet casings, they looked fake-ish, at least to me.
3. Sam Shepard's character used what I believe to be a Glock the first time that he and Kenny beat up Marky. The police at the shopping mall also use Glocks, and you get a pretty nice close up of one in that scene.
4. I found it a huge shame that they didn't fire that ultra-sawed-off shotgun in the film, mostly because I'd love to know exactly what would happen if someone did. Any ideas, anyone? Like, would a shotgun that cut down even work?--[[User:Sparticus|Sparticus]] ([[User talk:Sparticus|talk]]) 21:24, 2 December 2012 (EST)

==Your Opinion on the Film==
Once again me bothering you with that question, thanks for answer.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] ([[User talk:Dillinger|talk]]) 22:18, 2 December 2012 (EST)
:The sawed off shotgun in the movie was an exact representation of the shotgun described in the novel, right down to the tips of the green shotgun shells protruding from the barrels. It's been a long time since I read Cogan's Trade,but some things juststick with you. Greatly enjoyed the movie, by the way.
::Several people seems to have a problem witht the economic references.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] ([[User talk:Dillinger|talk]]) 23:17, 4 December 2012 (EST)
:::The director explained in the making of that the poker game robberies were an allegory to the 2008 economic collapse. The poker games had few regulations, and guys like Markie and Squirrel found ways to exploit the system. As for the movie itself, it felt like a lot was cut out of it. Sam Shepard was only in the film for about 30 seconds, and all of Mickey's scenes seem wasted when we don't see what actually happens to him. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:14, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

== Unknown pistol ==

Cogan uses an unknown pistol in a deleted scene to execute "The Doctor."
[[Image: KTS_pistol_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|May some sort of SIG-Sauer?]]

I agree, I think it looks like a SIG-Sauer P250 Compact. ~ ADMICK

Talk:Logan (2017)

2017-02-23T21:33:59Z

Seekerdude: /* FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (Fire serpent) */ new section

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID these weapons. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 17:12, 20 October 2016 (EDT)
[[File:Logan 105.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Logan 106.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Logan 115.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It looks like a Sig-Sauer MPX in the top picture. I'm probably wrong, though.--[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder|talk]]) 17:45, 20 October 2016 (EDT)

The 3rd one looks like an CMMG Mutant [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:55, 20 October 2016 (EDT)

:That flipped shot was a nice catch. Also, I caught a glimpse of an MP7 in the forest.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 00:57, 22 October 2016 (EDT)

== FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (Fire serpent) ==

could the g36 be used for stand in FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (Fire serpent) a Mexican made assault rifle--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 16:33, 23 February 2017 (EST)

Talk:VSSK Vykhlop

2017-02-10T23:31:26Z

Seekerdude: /* Discusion */

Talk:Ash vs Evil Dead - Season 1

2017-01-20T22:54:25Z

Seekerdude: Tokagypt Type 58

i believe the makers of this show are a lot more clued in then we give them credit for the militias are a lot like the terrorist or the criminality what ever they can lay hand to and if they can steal or have the coin to buy they will have and if the weapons they procure work bonus--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 17:54, 20 January 2017 (EST)

Talk:The Siege of Jadotville

2016-10-19T23:32:01Z

Seekerdude: /* "A Bren should do it"? */

== Walther MPL ==

There appears to be a Walther MPL or similar SMG used by one of the rebels attacking the company. I will upload a screenshot when possible, but the time stamp is at 1:26:59-ish. This would be anachronistic as the MPL was not produced until 1963, while the events in this film took place in 1961. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 23:24, 15 October 2016 (EDT)

It's a Franchi LF-57 which actually was used by Congo/Katanga --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 04:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
:::AdAstra is correct, it's a LF-57. There were also a couple of Vigneron SMGs in this movie.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 07:34, 16 October 2016 (EDT)

== "A Bren should do it"? ==

Anyone else find it odd the sniper chooses to use an open sight, open bolt Bren instead of his No4 Mk1(T)? --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 09:06, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
:I was thinking the same thing. The two guns are in the same caliber (.303 British), and, if anything, the sights on the Bren are considerably worse than the high-range scope on the Enfield. Does anyone know why this would be done? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

If anything, they should actually have started using the MAG 57s. Perhaps the Bren is a heavy gun and is more accurate than the Enfield, even a scoped Enfield isn't that accurate compared to other bolt action rifles of the era. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:43, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

Also, I am kinda surprised at the surplus of older rifles being used by the Irish despite this being 1961. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:45, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
:Sgt. Prendergast shared your same opinion in the film. Is this company's being issued obsolete firearms historically accurate? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 21:20, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
::It's accurate. There are photos on the internet of the Irish forces in the Congo, and the soldiers are indeed using Lee-Enfields, Brens, and Vickers. The Irish did have FN FALs, but only a few had been issued by the time the battle portrayed in the movie occurred.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

oh yes it is accurate the defense forces still had the bren mark 4 used by the reserve defense forces up until 2008 the fn fal was never abandoned it just got recycled as a designated marksman rifle
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 13:57, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

::I think the only thing about the FALs that bothered me was in several instances, they racked the charging handles to chamber rounds during moments when there should already have been a round chambered, like when Quinlan gave his rifle to Prendergast during a white flag meet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:16, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:::One could argue they were checking their brass to make sure the guns were chambered, but it was likely done for dramatic effect. Everybody loves that "Cha-CHK!" --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 15:22, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:::It wasn't for brass checking because no one was looking to see brass. It was for dramatic effect. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:43, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
they included this as it sounded and looked "cool" --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 19:32, 19 October 2016 (EDT)

== Quinlan's Sidearm. ==

I believe Quinlan carries a Hi Power as his sidearm. It is seen unholstered a couple times. --[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] ([[User talk:Westernman1987|talk]]) 12:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
:I can confirm this, don't have screenshots yet but I did see Quinlan carrying a Hi Power.--[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
::I think one of the mercs used a Hi-Power as well.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 21:18, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

==FALs==

I am not entirely versed in the history of the FAL in the UK. I know the British uses the semi-auto only L1A1 SLR, but what about the Irish who are literally next door? Did they adopt the full auto FAL or because they are so close to England, adopt the L1A1 as well? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:36, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:As far as I know, Irish Defence Forces adopted Belgian FN FAL 50.00 version in 1961. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:51, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
this is true the irish fn was capable of full auto had an ENERGA anti-tank rifle grenade sight attached to the gas plug which can be seen in some of the film stills--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 19:28, 19 October 2016 (EDT)

Talk:The Siege of Jadotville

2016-10-19T23:28:45Z

Seekerdude: /* FALs */

== Walther MPL ==

There appears to be a Walther MPL or similar SMG used by one of the rebels attacking the company. I will upload a screenshot when possible, but the time stamp is at 1:26:59-ish. This would be anachronistic as the MPL was not produced until 1963, while the events in this film took place in 1961. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 23:24, 15 October 2016 (EDT)

It's a Franchi LF-57 which actually was used by Congo/Katanga --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 04:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
:::AdAstra is correct, it's a LF-57. There were also a couple of Vigneron SMGs in this movie.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 07:34, 16 October 2016 (EDT)

== "A Bren should do it"? ==

Anyone else find it odd the sniper chooses to use an open sight, open bolt Bren instead of his No4 Mk1(T)? --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 09:06, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
:I was thinking the same thing. The two guns are in the same caliber (.303 British), and, if anything, the sights on the Bren are considerably worse than the high-range scope on the Enfield. Does anyone know why this would be done? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

If anything, they should actually have started using the MAG 57s. Perhaps the Bren is a heavy gun and is more accurate than the Enfield, even a scoped Enfield isn't that accurate compared to other bolt action rifles of the era. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:43, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

Also, I am kinda surprised at the surplus of older rifles being used by the Irish despite this being 1961. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:45, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
:Sgt. Prendergast shared your same opinion in the film. Is this company's being issued obsolete firearms historically accurate? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 21:20, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
::It's accurate. There are photos on the internet of the Irish forces in the Congo, and the soldiers are indeed using Lee-Enfields, Brens, and Vickers. The Irish did have FN FALs, but only a few had been issued by the time the battle portrayed in the movie occurred.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

oh yes it is accurate the defense forces still had the bren mark 4 used by the reserve defense forces up until 2008 the fn fal was never abandoned it just got recycled as a designated marksman rifle
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 13:57, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

::I think the only thing about the FALs that bothered me was in several instances, they racked the charging handles to chamber rounds during moments when there should already have been a round chambered, like when Quinlan gave his rifle to Prendergast during a white flag meet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:16, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:::One could argue they were checking their brass to make sure the guns were chambered, but it was likely done for dramatic effect. Everybody loves that "Cha-CHK!" --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 15:22, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:::It wasn't for brass checking because no one was looking to see brass. It was for dramatic effect. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:43, 19 October 2016 (EDT)

== Quinlan's Sidearm. ==

I believe Quinlan carries a Hi Power as his sidearm. It is seen unholstered a couple times. --[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] ([[User talk:Westernman1987|talk]]) 12:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
:I can confirm this, don't have screenshots yet but I did see Quinlan carrying a Hi Power.--[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
::I think one of the mercs used a Hi-Power as well.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 21:18, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

==FALs==

I am not entirely versed in the history of the FAL in the UK. I know the British uses the semi-auto only L1A1 SLR, but what about the Irish who are literally next door? Did they adopt the full auto FAL or because they are so close to England, adopt the L1A1 as well? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:36, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:As far as I know, Irish Defence Forces adopted Belgian FN FAL 50.00 version in 1961. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:51, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
this is true the irish fn was capable of full auto had an ENERGA anti-tank rifle grenade sight attached to the gas plug which can be seen in some of the film stills--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 19:28, 19 October 2016 (EDT)

Talk:The Siege of Jadotville

2016-10-19T23:28:29Z

Seekerdude: /* FALs */

== Walther MPL ==

There appears to be a Walther MPL or similar SMG used by one of the rebels attacking the company. I will upload a screenshot when possible, but the time stamp is at 1:26:59-ish. This would be anachronistic as the MPL was not produced until 1963, while the events in this film took place in 1961. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 23:24, 15 October 2016 (EDT)

It's a Franchi LF-57 which actually was used by Congo/Katanga --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 04:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
:::AdAstra is correct, it's a LF-57. There were also a couple of Vigneron SMGs in this movie.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 07:34, 16 October 2016 (EDT)

== "A Bren should do it"? ==

Anyone else find it odd the sniper chooses to use an open sight, open bolt Bren instead of his No4 Mk1(T)? --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 09:06, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
:I was thinking the same thing. The two guns are in the same caliber (.303 British), and, if anything, the sights on the Bren are considerably worse than the high-range scope on the Enfield. Does anyone know why this would be done? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

If anything, they should actually have started using the MAG 57s. Perhaps the Bren is a heavy gun and is more accurate than the Enfield, even a scoped Enfield isn't that accurate compared to other bolt action rifles of the era. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:43, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

Also, I am kinda surprised at the surplus of older rifles being used by the Irish despite this being 1961. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:45, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
:Sgt. Prendergast shared your same opinion in the film. Is this company's being issued obsolete firearms historically accurate? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 21:20, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
::It's accurate. There are photos on the internet of the Irish forces in the Congo, and the soldiers are indeed using Lee-Enfields, Brens, and Vickers. The Irish did have FN FALs, but only a few had been issued by the time the battle portrayed in the movie occurred.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

oh yes it is accurate the defense forces still had the bren mark 4 used by the reserve defense forces up until 2008 the fn fal was never abandoned it just got recycled as a designated marksman rifle
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 13:57, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

::I think the only thing about the FALs that bothered me was in several instances, they racked the charging handles to chamber rounds during moments when there should already have been a round chambered, like when Quinlan gave his rifle to Prendergast during a white flag meet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:16, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:::One could argue they were checking their brass to make sure the guns were chambered, but it was likely done for dramatic effect. Everybody loves that "Cha-CHK!" --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 15:22, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:::It wasn't for brass checking because no one was looking to see brass. It was for dramatic effect. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:43, 19 October 2016 (EDT)

== Quinlan's Sidearm. ==

I believe Quinlan carries a Hi Power as his sidearm. It is seen unholstered a couple times. --[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] ([[User talk:Westernman1987|talk]]) 12:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
:I can confirm this, don't have screenshots yet but I did see Quinlan carrying a Hi Power.--[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
::I think one of the mercs used a Hi-Power as well.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 21:18, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

==FALs==

I am not entirely versed in the history of the FAL in the UK. I know the British uses the semi-auto only L1A1 SLR, but what about the Irish who are literally next door? Did they adopt the full auto FAL or because they are so close to England, adopt the L1A1 as well? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:36, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:As far as I know, Irish Defence Forces adopted Belgian FN FAL 50.00 version in 1961. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:51, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
this is true the irish fn was capable of full auto had an ENERGA anti-tank rifle grenade sight attached to the gas plug which can be seen in some of the film stills

Talk:The Siege of Jadotville

2016-10-18T17:57:32Z

Seekerdude: /* "A Bren should do it"? */

== Walther MPL ==

There appears to be a Walther MPL or similar SMG used by one of the rebels attacking the company. I will upload a screenshot when possible, but the time stamp is at 1:26:59-ish. This would be anachronistic as the MPL was not produced until 1963, while the events in this film took place in 1961. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 23:24, 15 October 2016 (EDT)

It's a Franchi LF-57 which actually was used by Congo/Katanga --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 04:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
:::AdAstra is correct, it's a LF-57. There were also a couple of Vigneron SMGs in this movie.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 07:34, 16 October 2016 (EDT)

== "A Bren should do it"? ==

Anyone else find it odd the sniper chooses to use an open sight, open bolt Bren instead of his No4 Mk1(T)? --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 09:06, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
:I was thinking the same thing. The two guns are in the same caliber (.303 British), and, if anything, the sights on the Bren are considerably worse than the high-range scope on the Enfield. Does anyone know why this would be done? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

If anything, they should actually have started using the MAG 57s. Perhaps the Bren is a heavy gun and is more accurate than the Enfield, even a scoped Enfield isn't that accurate compared to other bolt action rifles of the era. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:43, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

Also, I am kinda surprised at the surplus of older rifles being used by the Irish despite this being 1961. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:45, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
:Sgt. Prendergast shared your same opinion in the film. Is this company's being issued obsolete firearms historically accurate? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 21:20, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
::It's accurate. There are photos on the internet of the Irish forces in the Congo, and the soldiers are indeed using Lee-Enfields, Brens, and Vickers. The Irish did have FN FALs, but only a few had been issued by the time the battle portrayed in the movie occurred.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

oh yes it is accurate the defense forces still had the bren mark 4 used by the reserve defense forces up untill 2008 the fn fal was never abandoned it just got recycled as a designated marksman rifle
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 13:57, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

== Quinlan's Sidearm. ==

I believe Quinlan carries a Hi Power as his sidearm. It is seen unholstered a couple times. --[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] ([[User talk:Westernman1987|talk]]) 12:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
:I can confirm this, don't have screenshots yet but I did see Quinlan carrying a Hi Power.--[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
::I think one of the mercs used a Hi-Power as well.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 21:18, 17 October 2016 (EDT)

==FALs==

I am not entirely versed in the history of the FAL in the UK. I know the British uses the semi-auto only L1A1 SLR, but what about the Irish who are literally next door? Did they adopt the full auto FAL or because they are so close to England, adopt the L1A1 as well? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:36, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:As far as I know, Irish Defence Forces adopted Belgian FN FAL 50.00 version in 1961. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:51, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Quigley Down Under

2016-10-07T19:14:54Z

Seekerdude: /* https://www.youtube.com/user/Iraqveteran8888/videos made a video */ new section

==Hollywood Wonders==
I figured these shots would take up too much room on the page, but here is what the the Sharps rifle can do with the help of Hollywood and its physics denying ways. Since the rounds are not moving at the speed of light and aren't as heavy or heavier than the person being shot, this is commonly known as impossible, despite what some "rocking chair commandos" may tell you.

Yeah but they look cool. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:QDUSuperSharps-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This guy does a complete flip in the air!]]
[[Image:QDUSuperSharps-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Quigley shoots this guy in the leg and he is sweeped off his feet.]]

There are several other things that are impossible about this movie. The setting of the movie is the year 1860.

Says who? Where and when is that stated in the film?

Did you watch the movie? It isnt an 1874, it was converted from paper cartridges, to self contained metalic cartridges.
-Blaise

''Yes, I watched the movie. And the company that built the gun (and two others) used by Selleck in the movie is Shiloh Sharps Company from Big Timber, Montana. They used their model 1874, not a percussion rifle converted to an metallic cartridge (their model 1863 rifle). Shiloh Sharps offers a '''Model 1874 Quigley rifle''' to this day on their website. Here's a note from a guy who talked to the Shiloh Sharps people who verified to him that it was an 1874 model in the movie, scroll down to the last post by Michael Hacker on January 13, 2007: http://www.survivalarts.com/archives/000238.html I'll say it again, the gun(s) Selleck used in the movie was/were Model 1874 Sharps. And for historical purposes, there were NO cartridge conversions of Sharps rifles in 1860-1874, no one made the brass for this, no one did the conversions. Quigley would have been carrying a paper cartridge rifle. I realize the script calls for Quigley to have somehow found a gunsmith who magically makes brass center-fire cartridges in an age when the only ones, and they were few and far between, were small caliber rimfires, and then could also magically convert the rifle to fire these. Simply stating that this is a premise of the movie doesn't make it doable in the real world of the time, or historically accurate, anymore than the cartridge conversion that some Texas gunsmith does to Selleck's revolver in another of his revisionist westerns, Last Stand At Saber River which is set in 1865 (not to mention the The Good, The Bad and The Ugly among others). So there was no one on the Australian continent who could shoot accurately at distance? They never heard of the Whitworth rifle, first produced in 1857 that could make head shots at over 1000 yards? Marston has to send fliers around the world to find someone who can shoot accurately at 800-1000 yards? Well maybe so, since the script was written so that none of his hired hands could hit the broad side of a barn with a revolver except that kid that finally shot Quigley in the leg. Frankly the whole premis of this movie is preposterous, why would Marsten not simply kill Quigley at his ranch instead of the whole melodramtic, idiotic "take him two days journey away in a wagon and the let Australia kill him". Huh? Shoot the guy on the ground at your feet and end your problem then and there. And then to top off the stupidity, let some henchman take the rifle and the ammunition with him, instead of Marsten keeping it as a prize as he undoubtedly would have. And then the wagon driver takes off instead of getting off the wagon and shooting Quigley dead after his partner is knifed (apparently they're all too stupid to search him for hidden weapons too). This kind of insanity continues all the way through, culminating in the kid shooting Quigley in the leg and then not blowing Quigley's brains out then and there when he steps on the rifle; and collecting the 200 pounds reward from Marsten. No, they drag him for God knows how long behind a horse, which of course doesn't kill him nor even tear up his clothes. Then Marsten doesn't kill him, but has a quick draw contest, and Quigley is so unaffected by being dragged for miles behind a horse that he outdraws three guys, even though he doesn't like handguns, good Barbera Boxer-style liberal that he is, and hasn't even been able to put his hands on one for the 3 month voyage and his time in Australia before he wins the gunfight. Yet he outdraws three guys who use and practice with a handgun all the time. Yeah, I was able to suspend disbelieve (rolling eyes here).''

Then there is the fact that the so-called Model 1858 Remington New Army did not begin production until at least 1860 (the Remington-Beals Army & Navy 1860-62), and the 1861 Army & Navy beginning in 1862; so it could not possibly have been in the United States, let alone Australia, in 1860, and if it's after 1860, the manufacturers are filling military contracts first and foremost for Lincoln's War. The Colt 1860 Army did not begin production until 1860, so considering tooling up, production, assembly, testing and inspection of the guns before they were sent to market, first fulfilling military contracts, there was again no way they could have been in Australia in 1860.

Then there is Matthew Quigley himself. We're supposed to believe that a Wyoming frontiersman in 1860 doesn't like handguns and doesn't carry one, that he'd go halfway around the world to a foreign country without asking or knowing exactly what the shooting job entailed (someone would believe a guy would hire a dude and pay for him to come halfway around the world just to shoot feral dogs??), and when he finds out he would be, in effect, so in tune with John Brown's views that he would go to war with his own people and side with black aborigines against them. Now keep in mind that it had been a year or less since John Brown had been executed for what today would be labeled "terrorist activities" and he would be called a terrorist. Brown led a raid on a U.S. military arsenal at Harper's Ferry, Virginia (this was when the six western counties were still part of the state of Virginia) the goal of which was to lead a slave rebellion and basically overthrow the government of the United States. He was captured, tried for treason and hanged for leading what the government today has made a dirty word, militia, and Brown and his group were in effect, "insurgents". And Matthew Quigley, Wyoming frontiersman who would have had to have had his share of run-ins with hostile Indians, is supposed to be a spritual kinsman of John Brown? I don't think so, not in the 1860's. This movie basically makes Tom Selleck's character into a 1968 liberal Democrat from New York. Bleech.

This is a great debate, but why don't you guys actually have a signature? What are you all afraid of? Also I just watched the movie today and nowhere does it say anything about it being 1860. I just figure it's the late 1860's or even the early 1870's. It's still agood movie even if it isn't an accurate historical portrayl of the hero. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Is there some great significance to "having a signature"? If it's after Lincoln's War or in the 1870's, then why is no one carrying a Henry, a Goldenboy Winchester or a Model 73, or even a Spencer? No cartridge conversion revolvers either, (the first one of those was the Remington New Model Army in 1868 converted to .46 Rimfire, according to Cimarron's website, and they paid a royalty to Smith & Wesson who owned the Rollin White patent on bored through cylinders; S&W themselves didn't start making bored through cylinders until nearly two years later with the Model 3 and Colt didn't start making cartridge conversions or doing it on customers guns until, if memory serves, 1871). These guys are armed with Hawkins Plains rifles (percussion) and even the shipping clerk at the end has a single shot percussion pistol under the counter (oh for the days of no passports with RFID chips, fingerprinting and facial recognition software!). I also found it odd that no one in the movie has a shotgun, ranchers and cattle herders in the Outback country would certainly have found a scattergun quite useful, especially with the threat of feral dogs.

:It could be the film just decided to depict Australia as behind with the most modern weaponry, and it could be Marsten and his men brought what they had when they first came to Australia and never rearmed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Actually, S&W started making guns under the Rollins-White patent in 1857 with the Model 1 in .22 Short, followed up by the Model 2 in .32 RF in 1861 and the Model 1 1/2 small frame .32 RF in 1865. They didn't start making large bore guns until the Model 3 American in 1870, but they were certainly making bored through cylinders beforehand. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

:: or it could be that they could use black powder revolver because get your hands on modern bullets would be difficult with towns being far away. so they could make there own bullets and gun powder.

: The guy at the front, will you stop your moaning, like a little baby, shut up, and just enjoy the movie, instead of dissecting it for EVERY little thing that could possibly be inaccurate. Also the date is confirmed to be 1860, at least that's the given date on the back of my VHS copy. - [[User:1morey|1morey]]

== Signature Significance ==
'''Unknown'''

''Is there some great significance to "having a signature"?''

Having a signature is polite. It means you bothered to make a page so when you contribute or edit things we know who did it. It's pride of ownership.You've filled out this discussion page and yet nobody knows who you are. What's your background? Obviously you have knowledge about the various firearms of the Civil War era. Why is that?Don't be such a stranger. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== Was there anything similar to Quigleys Shiloh Sharps 1874 Long Range back in 1868? ==

I'm writing a story based in 1868 that calls for the protagonist to have something akin to Quigley's 1874, but the time period of the story is not flexible and must take place in 1868, so I was wondering if a gun like his existed back then. One that had things like double-triggers and adjustable rear sights. Thanks in advance.

Just don't tell anyone the date, it can take place in 1866, but if you're the only one who knows then there's no problem with a few historical inaccuracies. Besides, you could always handwave it and say it was custom built, not a production gun(or maybe an early prototype). Lastly, I'd worry more about cultural historical inaccuracies than any gun anachronisms. Face it, guns are tools, and you shouldn't bend a story just to fit its props. --[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 05:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::There were many models of Sharps rifles made before 1874, so a Sharps model in 1868 would still work, it'd just have to be a percussion gun. Write something in like a Sharps 1865 long barrel percussion rifle fitted with a full-length scope. Say it's a sharpshooter's rifle kept from the Civil War. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Although I agree with Mr. Jigsaw, there certainly were target rifles available in 1868, but most were muzzle loaders. Here's an example of an American target rifle of the era: http://www.gatling-gun.com/SchuetzenTargetRifle.htm. Here's a breakdown of Confederate sharpshooter rifles, including the famous British Whitworth: http://www.cfspress.com/sharpshooters/arms.html. There was also the US 2nd Sharpshooters special-order Sharps 1859 infantry rifle, which had set triggers and was a percussion breechloader. It could have been fitted with a Vernier sight, or even an early scope, with relatively minor modifications. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

: Thanks everyone, this really helps.

== Hawken ==

[[Image:QuigleyHawkinsmusket-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Marston's henchmen cocks his Hawken rifle as the Red-coats approach]]
That's not a Hawken in the above picture. Looks more like an Enfield that the soldiers were carrying.
[[Image:QDUHawkins-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|.... Quigley shoots the gun with his Sharps and destroys it. It's easy to understand why such a poor quality gun was chosen, because no armorer in his right mind would destroy a perfectly good firearm of good quality.]] The triggerguard is different from the Thompson Center Hawken, but it still is a Plains type rifle (haven't seen the movie in a while, so I don't remember).
--[[User:Markethunter|Markethunter]] 21:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

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Elliot Marston ([[Alan Rickman]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] .44 caliber as his personal sidearm. He refers to it as the Army revolver and has much respect for its maker, Colonel Samuel Colt. He gives his second one to Quigley in the final duel, thinking he is bad with revolvers based on how he said he never had much use for one. When Quigley defeats him and his two men he says, '''"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."''' He pockets the revolver, then realizing he found a reason to use one.
[[Image:QuigleyColtarmy3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Quigley draws and fires the Colt Army with lighting speed at the final showdown.]]
[[Image:QuigleyColtarmy4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marston lay dying, Colt Army in hand. Quigley said he didn't have much use for a pistol...not that he didn't know how to use one...]]

== So....when do you guys think this is supposed to be set? ==

Usually, Western films (or films set in other countries of the same time period) usually are given a date, or information through characters throw hints to when the film is set. Promotional material for this film, states 1860, which would make most of the guns anachronistic.

However, there's a lot of problems with this. Marston and Quigley talk about Samuel Colt (who passed away in 1862) and Bill Hickok (who didn't become famous until the late 1860s). It is also stated that Quigley was in Dodge City. I'm assuming this is referencing the Dodge City War (which took place in 1883, and the town itself was not founded until 1872.). Meanwhile, the British soldiers are armed with the Enfield P56, which again, designates the time period being the early 1860s. The British soldiers' uniforms also date the film to the 1860s. I'm assuming the film is set somewhere between the late 1860s to early or mid 1870s, seeing as Australians probably were a bit behind in the acquirement of new technology, though if this is the case, the British military would be seen with Home Service helmets and either Snider-Enfields or Martini-Henrys. (And I doubt the Queen would have allowed any military presence to not be on par with the rest of the Empire's military. - [[User:1morey]] October 5, 2016 9:53 PM (EST)

:I think the best thing to do is chalk up the little technical errors (such as the reference to Dodge City) to less than stellar historical research on the part of the writer(s). I figure the movie is set in the late 1860's or possibly 1870. I've always liked the year 1870. As far as the British soldiers.....well the British Empire was large and it could take months for new equipment to reach far flung garrisons - especially garrisons where things were not as intense as say on the Northwest Frontier where a garrison not only had to worry about the local tribes but the Russians. A matter of priority. A garrison in Western Australia functioning as a police force is going to be lower on the list than the regiment preparing to ship out to quell restless natives in India or engage the Russians in the Crimea. I know I'm stretching but the movie ''looks'' good, --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 22:52, 5 October 2016 (EDT)

== https://www.youtube.com/user/Iraqveteran8888/videos made a video ==

Iraqveteran8888 made a video about this film here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7tneYzIFQw

and goes into great detail about one of the weapons in this film

hopes this helps

--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 15:12, 7 October 2016 (EDT)

== https://www.youtube.com/user/Iraqveteran8888/videos made a video ==

Iraqveteran8888 made a video about this film here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7tneYzIFQw

and goes into great detail about one of the weapons in this film

hopes this helps

--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 15:14, 7 October 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Quigley Down Under

2016-10-07T19:12:55Z

Seekerdude: /* https://www.youtube.com/user/Iraqveteran8888/videos made a video */ new section

Talk:Smith & Wesson Model 58

2016-08-21T15:50:25Z

Seekerdude: /* linked to Smith & Wesson Model 10 */ new section

The model 58 wasn't in [[Bullitt]]--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 05:07, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Look at the info and the screencap that I added on the ''[[Bullitt]]'' page. I think that it's plausible.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 05:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== linked to Smith & Wesson Model 10 ==

should this be linked to the Smith & Wesson Model 10--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 11:50, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Alien: Isolation

2015-08-04T16:20:09Z

Seekerdude: /* Model 37-12 Gauge Pump Action */ new section

== Model 37-12 Gauge Pump Action ==

there is a generic 12 Gauge Pump Action called the Model 37-12 it seems to be based based on the SWATriplex-18 here is the link to another wiki with more info --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 12:20, 4 August 2015 (EDT)
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Model_37-12_Gauge_Pump_Action

Talk:Battlefield Hardline

2015-08-03T23:31:03Z

Seekerdude: /* misc grappling hook gun */ new section

== Just got it up ==

Just started the page, I'm waiting for the beta to drop for me so i can get some pics and gun info in here, for now the articles contain guns i've seen from trailers.
:I didn't read the beta agreement but I'm pretty sure there's some sort of NDA that you'd be breaking by doing that. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 02:28, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
::Considering that people are putting up youtube videos of their beta play sessions and not getting shut down, I doubt I'll be breaking any rules. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 05:06, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

:::Is it just me or does anybody else think that this whole game just seems like a very expensive DLC for BF4? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:47, 20 January 2015 (EST)

== This should be interesting ==
I just hope there's some kind of emphasis on bringing suspects in alive, otherwise there's no point in a law enforcement theme. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 03:02, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
:Not really, from what I saw of the multiplayer gameplay, it's mostly lethal weapon engagements. You can however cuff a person when you melee them from the sides or behind, similar to knife take downs in previous games, and you do have access to a tazer. We'll see how the single player works out later though.
::SP is what I'm talking about. I learned a long time ago that MP never really changes regardless of what game it is. Just about the only concept people can grasp is players running around and shooting at each other, with differences between games being largely superficial. Such a narrow-minded and objective-less focus isn't something I find all that entertaining anymore (my opinion, no offense intended) and as such I don't play MP. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:47, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
:::Well it's a Battlefield game, change it too much and people will complain, and when changes are not enough, people are still gonna complain. Having played the beta, I'd have to say it's still pretty much the same as any Battlefield game, with new modes and maps to play with, which is a good thing in my books. Also, as with other games, shooting people is only a part of most multiplayer games, a big part yes, but most games has other things going for it other than shooting such as various team objectives. Lets face it, since most games are about shooting other people in single player, it's kind weird if the multiplayer suddenly ask you to plant flowers with each other instead. As for Hardline single player, I've seen lots of handcuffing in the trailers and the game does have a Taser, so there's that. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 06:24, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
::Sadly this doesn't look like it's going to be another [[SWAT 4]]. Despite how well-made that game was, it seems no one wants to shoot people with beanbags/pepperballs/tear gas and arrest them again. Much too bad, really.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 07:32, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
:::You're in my way sir. But yeah, SWAT 4-style gameplay would be too radical a departure for the typical FPS fanbase that ''Battlefield'' helped build to handle. I know I struggled with it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 13:25, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
::::You could just play... you know.... SWAT4.[[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 14:42, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
:::I could, but [[SWAT 4]] is, after you get the hang of its singleplayer (and the multiplayer servers are closed), a bit limited given it's being a 2006-era game. Just two of its issues are unrealistically fragile body armour and how civilian NPCs have rather predictable AI routines (real people more often freak out in these situations rather than calmly resisting or accepting arrest), which could have been addressed in a modern sequel. As for "You're in my way, sir," that's perfectly avoidable most of the time with the exception of when the dev team scripted specific mission entries to spawn the NPC allies too close to the player character during the mission spawn sequence. Still, to me it was an understandable attempt to make AI-controlled officers a bit more realistic (not many people have no qualms about their personal space being invaded for no apparent reason). Having said that, it remains one of the best games around for tactical co-op play and even tactical versus play (assuming the right server settings were used, which wasn't often, since servers allowing both SWAT and Suspects to unrealistically use all the weaponry in the game were the rule).--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 10:41, 21 June 2014 (EDT)
:::::But I thought Battlefield was meant to pride itself as a series on its realism? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 10:03, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

::::::Authenticity and ''technical'' realism, things like reloads being done correctly, +1 in the chamber, and all that good stuff. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:31, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
::::::Been playing since Battlefield 2, not really, it looks realistic, that's about it. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 17:45, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

Well then I guess the legions of socially maladjusted fanboys on the internet lied to me then. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 19:07, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
:The internet has liars? Nawwwwwwwwww. To be honest it's more realistic than most mainstream shooters but less so than the likes of SWAT or ARMA or older Rainbow 6. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 21:03, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

== This is it for now. ==

As of right now all the firearms in beta, as far as I know, have been added to this article. I'll update the article when the game comes out though I don't know when I'll be getting the game just yet. For now, enjoy. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 05:26, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

== "MG36" G36E/KV Hybrid ==
The MG36 section got edited again, and apparently it's a G36KV. It's not a G36KV either, the G36KV has only 4 hole vents while the in-game G36 has 6 hole vents on the handguard. I presume it's a G36E with the G36KV carry handle

== Cut/Hidden weapons ==

:I've seen a few videos on Youtube that show weapons hidden in the beta's code. Most of them seem near-finished, bar the odd missing texture or reload sound. Should we add them to the page? I mean, we've added cut weapons to pages before and it's certain they'll be in the final product (unless they're just leftovers from porting features over from Battlefield 3 or 4, of course). --[[User:Gunmaster2011|Gunmaster2011]] ([[User talk:Gunmaster2011|talk]]) 12:26, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

::I think that can be done. Also I think those guns are probably going to be used in the full release so yeah, include them, after they are available we can add further informations. --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]

:Great! I'll add the video I saw so we know where to start. You can do that, right? I hope so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUXjYQmKQus --[[User:Gunmaster2011|Gunmaster2011]] ([[User talk:Gunmaster2011|talk]]) 19:25, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

::Sure, I'll add the informations based on the video. Thanks for the sharing. --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]
:::I think the 93R is just a 92FS with extended barrel and a fore grip. It should be moved under the 92FS section, your call. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 09:24, 19 June 2014 (EDT)
::::Yes, It's a 92FS, I specified that on the image info. I didn't include it under the 92FS section because I included it as "Hidden gun". --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]

:I think this is perhaps the first game I've ever played that featured an 8 shot .357 Revolver compared to other games that just slap in a .357 caliber Desert Eagle. It really shows the uniqueness of the weapons their choosing, although I hope some of the names like the L96A1 are merely placeholders, I could imagine the L96 being renamed to the AWP or something along those lines. Here's hoping [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 14:10, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
::Ah yes, the S&W 327 makes it first appearance in videogames in this battlefield set. But again, Battlefield is going straight down in terms of guns realism, but I guess this hope can be still there until the full release. --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]
:::By gun realism I hope you mean Hardline specifically, and almost all the errors seem to exist because so many things are placeholders anyway. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:06, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
::::Yes, I'm talking about Hardline. Not that the previous title didn't get some errors, especially [[Battlefield 4]] which has considerably ammount of them. --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]

== Content from BF3/4 ==
There's an interesting blend of the two. Most of the game seems to be based on BF3, with a bunch of BF4 details brought over, which makes sense given when it was being developed. The weapons are like this too, for example the 93R is BF3's 93R: a 92FS with the foregrip, muzzle brake, visible extended magazine, and the player actually uses the grip, but the BF4 93R is just a 92FS with the grip, which isn't even used. Hardline uses the much better BF3 version. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:36, 18 June 2014 (EDT)
::I'm seeing a lot of this as well, to include strange modifications. I added some commentary on the M16A3's minor additions - not all for the better either! Keep in mind though, that many of these things are placeholders - they could very well have a brand new 93R made for the game (and it just didn't make it to the first beta build).--[[User:mk12mod0|mk12mod0]]

== Fixes to certain guns? ==

:I'm not playing the beta, but I did see a weapon showcase video uploaded very recently and it would appear that the fire rates of the Uzi and AKM have both been reduced to the correct 600RPM. The G36C's fire rate hasn't yet changed, though. I haven't edited the page yet, as I don't know if the chambering of those guns, or the closed-bolt nature of the Uzi have been corrected. As I'm not in the beta, could someone clarify? Also, it should perhaps be noted that the pistols have their slides manually released, like in Medal of Honor 2010's singleplayer. --[[User:MSKyuuni|MSKyuuni]]
::The beta is over so it's better wait for the full release to add or modify further informations --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]
:::Okay then. Like I said, I've not played it so I didn't know it was over. ----[[User:MSKyuuni|MSKyuuni]]

== New trailer from gamescom ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk34yU1BGiU&list=UUvNBXWGykQrWb7kPAn5eLUQ

The only new weapon I see here is the MP5K, maybe someone with better eyes than me will be able to find more. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 22:45, 13 August 2014 (EDT)

:I see the Taurus .44, Galil ACE 21, and possible G17's in the beginning sequence. The AKS74U and the M249E3 SAW were in the Hostage video as well.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 16:12, 14 August 2014 (EDT)

== New Hotwire mode trailer ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOABuPJtGmg

I think I saw a really short barreled AR, a Serbu super shorty, and what seems to be the grease gun at 1:23. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 02:38, 19 September 2014 (EDT)

:The ''grease gun'' is actually Swedish m/45 9mm submachine gun. Curious choice, as the weapon only saw limited usage through US special forces during the Vietnam conflict. Perhaps it's meant to be standing in for it's American version, M76, though that would still be a very mind boggling weapon choice. Were there any notable criminal usages of the gun in question, or did they just wanted to add another local Swedish gun into the game? --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 05:10, 19 September 2014 (EDT)

::Probably a nod to DICE Sweden as it's not actually them making the game, it's Visceral Games. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:01, 19 September 2014 (EDT)

== Open Beta ==
Open beta starts February 3rd, and I believe there are a lot of new weapons. From some older videos I remember at least Heavy Counter Assault Rifle - HCAR - (a modernized [[Browning Automatic Rifle]]), and a Double Barreled Shotgun, which is basically same as the Sawed-off Shotgun before sawing, Desert Eagle in .50AE (7 + 1 mag capacity), HK51, SCAR-H and DSA SA58 OSW. I'll put it on DL and see if I can take a few screenshots. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:52, 2 February 2015 (EST)

== New firearms I've seen so far in the Feb 3rd beta ==

The MC-51, SPAS-12, Glock 18 and the SA58 OSW.
[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 02:10, 8 February 2015 (EST)
:Also Taurus 4510PLYFS, Ohio Ordinance HCAR, SCAR-H, and M79.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 21:11, 5 February 2015 (EST)

== Rare reloads ==

Found a compilation [http://imgur.com/gallery/3wIlg here]. It's like Far Cry 2 only deliberate. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 01:54, 9 February 2015 (EST)
:Hah, that AKM reload is a very clear reference to Dead Space, in which the player can grab objects using his Kinesis Module, and grabbed objects have a similar blue ball thingy around them. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:06, 9 February 2015 (EST)

== SPAS-12 firing mode ==
SPAS-12 was semi-auto in the February beta, but now that the game is released, in single player it's pump action, what's the firing mode in multiplayer? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 08:33, 19 March 2015 (EDT)

The SPAS-12 behaved oddly in beta. It was semi-auto when hip-firing but pump-action when ADS. The "semi-auto" is slow enough that it seems that the pump animation isn't playing in hip-firing. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D41uAHr9WhM&feature=youtu.be&t=5m02s Here]

EDIT: Oh dear, when he started firing it as fast as he could, things started to go wrong. Looks like it does fire semi-auto, but it still uses the same pump-action animations from the previous Battlefield games.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 09:27, 25 March 2015 (EDT)

Just to follow up, JarekTheGamingDragon did a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTDEI-wNJHw&t=9m post-release weapon showcase video] and the SPAS-12's animations are still as broken as they were in beta. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 14:57, 4 April 2015 (EDT)

== SR-25 ==

I think the SR-25 ECC is misnamed in the final game, it appears the model is actually based the [http://www.knightarmco.com/sr-25-e2-advanced-combat-carbine/?cate_cm=commercial&term=sr-25&features=sr-25-e2-acc SR-25 ACC]. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 00:43, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

:What does it look like in the final game? The one pictured in the main article is plainly just a reused Mk 11 Mod 0 from Battlefield 4. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] ([[User talk:Clutch|talk]]) 18:36, 23 March 2015 (EDT)
::The reload in SR-25 is very strange; the player hits the bolt release to remove magazine, and then after inserting a new magazine they hit magazine release to chamber the first round. Or is this something very SR-25 ECC specific? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 11:39, 24 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Judging by [https://youtu.be/D41uAHr9WhM?t=8m31s this,] it's got ambidextrous buttons. If you look closely, there is a mag release on the left side and a bolt catch on the right. There's not really any reason why they had to do that, other than "it looks cool/unique and different from every other AR-15 based gun in the game". --[[User:MSKyuuni|MSKyuuni]] ([[User talk:MSKyuuni|talk]]) 05:06, 25 March 2015 (EDT)
:[http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/battlefield-5/thumb/3/35/Sr-25_ecc.jpg/468px-Sr-25_ecc.jpg Here] is an image of the in-game rifle. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 17:08, 25 March 2015 (EDT)

::::The real SR-25 ECC has a KAC URX railed forend, whereas the in game SR-25 has the Keymod styled handguard of the ACC. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:55, 25 March 2015 (EDT)

== HCAR ==

This page is missing the HCAR which is available to the Police Enforcer. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 18:36, 5 April 2015 (EDT)
:Added it, though it needs a proper image. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:35, 14 May 2015 (EDT)

== Criminal Activity new weapons ==

Criminal Activity expansion pack trailer is up, and one of the four new guns is an M1A1 Thompson. It was shown with a 50 round drum, and apparently its foregrip attachment gives it the foregrip from the M1921 / M1928.

[[File:BFH Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|With the basic handguard.]]
[[File:BFH Thompson 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|With the foregrip.]]

:Additional info, the other three new weapons are a pump-action bullpup shotgun (perhaps Kel-Tec KSG), 7.62x51mm battle rifle with wooden furniture (could be M14) and 7.62x51mm assault rifle (with "keg style charging handle" and 24-round magazine by default). Then the Thompson can be used by both factions and all classes, and it can be modified only with extended mag and foregrip. Also we'll be getting armor piercing tracer rounds for assault rifles, battle rifles and semi-auto snipers, and breaching rounds for shotguns. Yay. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:11, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
::More info, the 7.62 battle rifle is FN FAL, the assault rifle is SIG SG 510, and the shotgun is indeed KSG. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 01:31, 12 June 2015 (EDT)

==RO933==

The weapon in-game is described as having a 11.5" barrel, just like the real Cold Model 933, and the barrel length in the weapon model seemingly matches it. However, if it is an actual Model 933, then the handguard is elongated and the front sight is further forward, making it look similar to an Mk. 18 Mod 0 (though it is not, since this one has a 10.5" barrel). Any ideas? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:53, 2 July 2015 (EDT)
:Furthermore, I wonder if we should keep the info about the common beta inaccuracies that are now fixed (such as the S&W 642 section), given that it's simply beta testing. And regarding the HCAR, I don't know if it was in existence in 2012, to see if it is anachronistic to the first half of the campaign or not. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:55, 8 July 2015 (EDT)

== misc grappling hook gun ==

although not a weapon the Tactical ResQmax is used from the 3rd episode on wards i have included the link to the website
http://www.resqmax.com/tresqmax.php --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 19:31, 3 August 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Steyr AUG

2015-07-07T20:44:46Z

Seekerdude: /* Bracket on barrel */

==Additional Images==
[[File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 (5.56x45mm) with 40mm grenade launcher]]
[[File:Aug m203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG(5.56x45mm) with [[M203 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Hbar.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG HBAR-T]]
[[Image:F88A1Austeyr.jpg|thumb|none|400px|F88C Austeyr 16 inches barrel - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:F88A1C.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F-88A1C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Austeyr f88t 1-tfb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F-88T training rifle, a .22 calibre training version of the Austeyr F88S, with integral Picantinny rail, 20-inch barrel and standard 1.5 power optic - .22 LR]]
[[File:F90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Thales F90 is a future replacement for the Australian F88 Austeyr. It features a ML40AUS 40x46 grenade launcher,a Trijicon TA44SR-10 1.5×16 ACOG and lighter STANAG magazines.]]

==Talk==

There is a major problem on this page. The AUG-A2 is not only different because of its capability to mount a Picatinny scope rail in place of the integrated scope. It also varies in a minor detail concerning its charging handle. On the A1, the handle was permenantly fixed at an angle, and in the A2 it could be folded to lie alongside the receiver. A scope rail is nothing new, as the AUG had the option of mounting a NATO-standard sighting mount since it was introduced (as the AUG-T), the A2 just introduced an easier method of mounting. This really needs to be rectified. I am willing to do it but I would like to hear some confirmation before I change this. Additionally, the AUG-A2 is also available with the integrated rifle scope. See Steyr-Mannlicher's website: www.Steyr-Mannlicher.com.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

==uhh wtf==

is a F89 as far as i know the F88 is the only steyr used by the ADF the F89 is the designation given to the Minimi i should know seeing i have use a F88 before

also on another note the ADF has started using new F88's pretty much everything that was black is now a greenish tan and new sights that look similar to the A3's sights. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Why do alot of people hate the Steyr AUG and nearly every other bullpup rifle out there? ==

Seriously, it seems like most people that I talk to love to hate bullpup rifles like the Steyr AUG. Why do bullpups get so much hate anyway? They are just as good as any other standard assault rifle, even though they are designed differently and have a different look, they can still pack the same punch that your standard M-16 or AK-47 rifle can. Yet there are all these fan-brats of those other assault rifles who just love to hate on bullpups and will come up with some rather stupid and over the top reasons to hate on them such as; '''"OMG! Ur a Counter-Strike noob cuz u liek teh FAMAS!"''', if you say you like bullpup rifles to them. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:17, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
:Maybe these haters are left-handed people who don't like hot brass flying into their face. I think there are only two or three bullpup designs that are truly ambidextrous, some can be converted, while some just force lefties to shoot right-handed. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:52, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
::The AUG, FAMAS, and F2000 are fully ambidextrous, the AUG and FAMAS can have they're ejection ports flipped to the right side for left handed users, the FN F2000 doesn't need to since its ejection port is in front of the hand guard. I'm designing a bullpup assault rifle right now, I deem it the most practical futuristic assault rifle ever made. The weapon length to range ratio Is what I like most about bullpup designs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:25, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
:::Well Funkychinaman, most of the haters of bullpup rifles that I encounter usually hate on bullpups on the grounds that they are 'ugly-looking guns' and that they 'feel odd when handled', while others hate bullpups on the grounds of the manufacturing and materials that they are built with (Rarely do I ever hear about the 'reliability' argument). But just because some bullpups are built using high-grade plastics doesn't mean they are inferior to the aircraft-grade metal that other standard assault rifles are built from. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 03:05, 9 June 2011 (CDT)
::::Plastic and stainless steel all the way, woot! To me the AUG is a fairly handsome rifle, especially the A3, but that's just me. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:06, 9 June 2011 (CDT)
:::::Wait a minute, what about the [[Tavor TAR-21]]? Is that one also ambidextrous? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 05:49, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::Yes, the Tavor TAR-21 is also ambidextrous, it has a flippable ejection port just like the the AUG, I think it's a cool gun too. Firearm manufacturers aren't stupid, they know the problem with left-handed shooters and so they design their weapon with that in mind. The F2000's forward funneling ejection port system is very innovative and solves the problem, but personally I don't 100% trust its reliably. My bullpup assault rifle that I'm designing uses a flippable ejection port like the the AUG, atleast for now.

== Bracket on barrel ==

On some instances of the AUG it has some sort of bracket mounted on the barrel a couple of inches behind the flash hider (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AUG_A1_508mm_04.jpg). Would I be correct in assuming this is a bayonet mount? Also, is this indicative of the F88 Austeyr? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:07, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

:Yes. I think Wikipedia's screwed up there and got a picture of an Austeyr as an AUG A1. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::Checking, theirs isn't an Austeyr, it doesn't have an ALO tab at the bottom of the trigger for locking out the fullauto fire mode. It seems Steyr only sells bayonet lugged barrels to military customers (and not the Austrian military, which doesn't use a lugged barrel), so you're only really likely to see a bayonet lug on an F88 in anything live action. ALO is also on Irish Army AUGs, but it's not that likely you're going to see one of them in a movie. Apparently some newer AUG versions have started using a 3-position fire selector rather than ALO or two-step trigger (rather than just having right-safe left-auto there's a middle "semi" position, though the trigger is still two-step even on the auto setting), I guess that's why my pic of the F88S doesn't have an ALO. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:09, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

the automatic lock out (ALO) is used on the police models it was incorporated on the irish defense forces models as full auto would be wasteful of ammo which is understandable in the heat of the moment you could empty a full mag in a heartbeat
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 16:44, 7 July 2015 (EDT)

== AUG reload in Counter Strike ==

Is it just me or the reload animation of the Steyr AUG in Counter Strike resembles how to reload an MP5/G3? I mean if you look at it at the end of the reload, it seems the player performs an HK Slap.

== AUG refered twice in Black Ops ==

I noticed the AUG A1 being in Black Ops (incapable of being in that time period), but there is the AUG A2 (which someone typed in). Shouldn't there be one variant or are there two? --[[User:Alkillmatic|Alkillmatic]] ([[User talk:Alkillmatic|talk]]) 02:55, 17 December 2012 (EST)
:Both variants are present in the game. IIRC, when you put an "ACOG" on the AUG (which is the A2 version by default), it turns into an A1. Like the F2000 Tactical in MW2; you select red dot sight and it changes into an F2000. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:12, 17 December 2012 (EST)

== Grenade Launcher ==

Does anybody know the name of [[:File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|this grenade launcher]] mounted underneath the AUG A3? I searched about it but couldn't find the name. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:57, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:I get Steyr GL 40. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:02, 31 January 2015 (EST)
::Ummm... The Steyr GL 40 is a different launcher, I've just searched for it. However, I looked up again, and the launcher in the image apparently turned out to be simply an M203, as seen [http://s205.photobucket.com/user/SIGERMP9/media/Military%20FireArms/STEYR-AUG-A3.jpg.html here] and [http://www.doppeladler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68 here]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:25, 31 January 2015 (EST)
:::It isn't a normal M203, but the design is based on the M203 with some modifications to make it work on the AUG (RIS mounts, extended folding trigger, a different more conventionally textured handguard, shorter barrel, and simpler frame without the barrel clamp provision at the front). I have never seen a name for it though, I think it was only experimental anyway (the front of the frame of the launchers in those two links is shaped differently so they were apparently still tinkering with it). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:17, 31 January 2015 (EST)
::::Eh, most of the times when I saw pictures of this it simply labels it as "40mm grenade launcher". Anyway, would it be notable to put the image in [[:Category:UBGL|this category page]]? I [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Category:UBGL&diff=858071&oldid=855489 did it previously], but then I removed it due the probability of it being an M203. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:54, 1 February 2015 (EST)

== Steyr AUG flash hider ==

Just wondering if below ‘duck beak’ flash hider (rather than the ‘birdcage’ flash hider) on a Steyr AUG is indicative of an official Austrian Army Version?

[[Image:SavageBeach-SteyrAUG-02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]

I was curious because this movie (upload later this week) was shot on Hawaii and one would not really expect to see an official Austrian Steyr AUG flash hider show up there. Let me know if you have any idea, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 05:47, 9 March 2015 (EDT)

:I'd assume it's possible to get hold of the duckbill given the top image on the main page is one with a duckbill hider which belongs to an American armourer (MPM). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:45, 9 March 2015 (EDT)

Talk:The Enforcer (1976)

2015-06-11T22:51:40Z

Seekerdude: /* early tazer */ new section

I don't believe that is a Colt Diamondback that Inspector Moore is carrying. I believe it is a 2 1/2 inch Colt Python.

Could be. In the screencaps it looks more like a Python in it's dimensions [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

== early tazer ==

was there not a segment on the page about an early version of a tazer on this page --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 18:51, 11 June 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Goodbye and Amen

2015-04-10T21:28:46Z

Seekerdude: /* SWAT team */

Talk:The Order: 1886

2015-02-26T03:00:24Z

Seekerdude: /* there is something to work with here */

==Gonna be picking this game up later this week==
While most of the firearms look fictional a lot look like they might be based on some real life models, would there be much interest in me screen capping it for a page? - [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 01:46, 23 February 2015 (GMT)
:Post a few examples, let's see how close. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:53, 22 February 2015 (EST)
::[http://www.gamestm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/original.jpeg Well, I can see an M14-or BAR-looking thing, a Luger and something with a Lewis pan magazine, here]. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:20, 23 February 2015 (EST)
:::Going off what happened to the ''Turok'' and ''Resistance: Fall of Man'' pages, I don't want him to put in that much work for something that might a bit shaky elibility-wise. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:45, 23 February 2015 (EST)
::::Those are my thoughts exactly, frankenguns based on real weapons are still at best frankenguns, so I wasn't sure about the eligability. - [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 15:35, 23 February 2015 (GMT)
:::::[http://readyatdawn.com/we-are-at-e3-2015/ Here] is something about the game weapons. As the video shows, even the most fantastic weapons use elements of real firearms, like SMLE as a base for lightning gun. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:17, 23 February 2015 (EST)
::::::Is there another image? I don't see anything from an SMLE in that lightning gun. The machine gun thingy looks like it uses the pan magazine from a Lewis Gun, and that's about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:46, 23 February 2015 (EST)
:::::::There is a video below the image. The direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG8m7q9kMhQ&feature=player_embedded [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:54, 23 February 2015 (EST)
::::::::Some of the weapons are real world guns with little to no external modification. Only the names are different. Like, there's fully auto Mauser C96 and a Borchardt C-93, which is depicted as a traditional semi-auto pistol. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 16:35, 23 February 2015 (EST)
:::::::::Yes, I saw the straight up Mauser C96 as well. Alright, if you think it's worth it, go ahead. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:42, 23 February 2015 (EST)
::::::::::Please crop the black space from the screencaps. And please complete the page. We have enough half-assed incomplete pages as is, we don't need new ones. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:46, 25 February 2015 (EST)
== there is something to work with here ==

some of the weapons are based on real world firearms however they are based on weapons made around 1900 up to 20 years before in the case of the handguns and 40 to 50 years ahead in the case of the rifles and sub machine guns --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 10:14, 23 February 2015 (EST)
found this wiki has good images of the weapons in question
http://theorder1886.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Weapons
could be of some help --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 22:00, 25 February 2015 (EST)

== Guns ==

The Falchion looks more like an SKS. And the proper procedure is to list the name of the actual weapon, and include the made up name in the description. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:18, 25 February 2015 (EST)

==Weapons I can't identify==
These are a bunch of weapons that I managed to catch screen grabs of but can't Identify so if anyone else can and could add them to the page that would be great

[[File:The_OrderM82-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'M82 Selfloader Carbine']]
[[File:The_OrderM82-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'M82 Selfloader Carbine']]
:This appears to be a .276 Pedersen rifle, which competed with what would eventually emerge as the M1 Garand. Wow, talk about digging deep. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:27, 25 February 2015 (EST)
[[File:The_OrderM85-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'M85 Automatisch']]
[[File:The_OrderM85-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'M85 Automatisch']]
[[File:The_OrderM85-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'M85 Automatisch']]
:This appears to a Beretta Model 38. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:27, 25 February 2015 (EST)
[[File:The_OrderThermite-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'Thermite Gun']]
[[File:The_OrderThermite-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'Thermite Gun']]
[[File:The_OrderDuelist-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'Duelist Revolver']]
The Duelist Revolver looks like either a S&W Model 3 or a cartridge firing LeMat. The Thermite gun kind of looks like the aircraft version of the Lewis Gun. [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 19:25 25 February 2015 (EST)

- [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 23:19, 25 February 2015 (GMT)

Talk:The Order: 1886

2015-02-23T15:14:24Z

Seekerdude: /* there is something to work with here */ new section

Talk:Goldfinger

2014-12-08T16:02:16Z

Seekerdude: /* Testing a bullet-resistant vest */

Is it just me, or is that the most ill conceived shoulder holster ever?

==Can anyone identify these weapons?==
1) What type of weapon was used to launch a grappling hook in the pre credits sequence?
[[File:Goldfingerpiton.jpg]]
Sold for £5,750/US$9,683 17 September 1998 auction in London by Christies.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 17:35, 11 December 2013 (EST)

2)What Air Pistol was used to put Bond to sleep just after the laser bean sequence? Possibly a Webley Mk 1?[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 12:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Modified [[Crossman 2240 CO2 Pistol]][[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 17:35, 11 December 2013 (EST)

==Aston Martin's machine guns==
If anyone is interested, according to several books on Bond (including "The History of James Bond") the machine guns used by the Aston are (meant to be) modified Browning .30 Cals. Different books list them as either cut-down water cooled .30's or the air cooled M1919A3s. In actual fact, IRL the guns in the film are gas powered blanks.

* I have one of these books, and the big problem with the depiction is that the artwork depicts the guns as extremely small (almost SMG size) to let them fit in the required space.

== Derringer? ==

It looks like there's a Derringer at the bottom of the left column, under the 1908 Vest Pocket. [[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 03:06 20 October 2013 (EST)
[[Image:Goldf-wall1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
:Yes, it is. Most likely a [[Remington 1866 Derringer]]. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:24, 20 October 2013 (EDT)
Note: The gentleman in the photo is Bond Stuntman George Leech[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 17:36, 11 December 2013 (EST)

== Unidentified revolver in Boothroyd's shoulder holster ==

Geoffrey Boothroyd's book The Handgun pictures a number of "Bond guns", including one identified as, "A considerably modified Smith and Wesson (sic) Military and Police Model which appeared on the dust jacket of Ian Fleming's From Russia with Love." The pictured gun has the same style of grips, round-butt magna with S&W medallion, as shown in the still from the Guns of Bond short. The gun pictured in the book has a barrel shortened to the length of the ejector rod, jeweled hammer and trigger, and "Fitz Special" style cut-away trigger guard.

== Testing a bullet-resistant vest ==

It is a film-fallacy that bullet-resistant vests are tested by firing a full submachine gun burst at a person modeling the vest, but if you watch this scene again, the testers also check the vest-wearer's trousers for bullet holes.

I would think if someone hit by a bullet or even a fragment, he would know right away!

i am pretty sure the test subject would clarify if there was any misses to his legs --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 11:02, 8 December 2014 (EST)

Talk:Aliens

2014-11-26T23:48:23Z

Seekerdude: /* acid blood */

__TOC__ 

==acid blood==
''Trivia Note: In the Aliens series of movies this weapon always seems to be a hazard. i.e. shooting an alien with this weapon would cause a character to get splattered with acidic blood. This event happens a lot in '''AVP: Requiem'''. However, in reality, a direct shotgun blast would NOT splatter any blood "towards the shooter" or "to the sides". The force alone would direct all brain and blood splatter AWAY from the shooter. All one has to do is look a real life crime scene photos of shotgun blasts to the head. All particles or viscera are blown away from the barrel, none are to the front and very little if any is to the sides.''

''Additional Trivia Note: As the previous trivia note says, little 'splashback' if any would be expected. That said, the Aliens are well known to be extremely tough beasties, so who's to say parts of the body were not damaged very much by the shotgun blasts? This could have resulted in the 'splashback' as softer tissue and blood rebounds off harder bone / chitinous tissue...''

''Remember reading in a book or online when I was in school that the aliens had extremely high "blood pressure" resulting in them pretty much exploding when shot and in effect turning them into a walking anti personnel mine.''

::Even if they are under pressure, the blast would blow the blood AWAY. I shot a pressurized Paint balloon with a shotgun for a demo once. Sure it flew everywhere EXCEPT where I was because the blast of the shotgun forced the particulate matter in the other direction. I am very wary of any theory that has the alien blood at such high pressure that it can overcome the kinetic energy of a shotgun blast. Wouldn't happen.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:09, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I really love it when folks say "wouldn't happen" when referencing a science fiction movie with big fake ships, fake alien creatures, and giant fantasy guns that weigh about 45 pounds each. It's fantasy guys. Come on. They tear a synthetic person in half, would his blood splatter the way it did when his body flew in 2 different directions? Aliens are not real. How do we know they fake fantasy high pressure acidic blood isn't magnetic for 5 seconds once it is exposed to oxygen? I mean, it's acid right? Would that happen?

In accordance with the statement above mine, the aliens blood is in fact, highly pressurized. Coincidence? I think not. I'd think of it as more of a natural deterrent, or biological "fail-safe" due to the fact that if a Xenomorph is attacked and killed, or even injured, the aggressor will pay the price.

Physicist's note: According to the character Bishop, the creatures' blood completely oxidizes as of their death. Presumably, this is due to direct exposure to external atmospheric conditions, but that's just a moot guess at a fictitious alien. In any case, oxidation, along with its reduction counterpart, is the neutralization of an acidic compound of a which results in the release of chemical energy (also known as redoxing).

Familiar examples of this in the real world include the process in cellular respiration that oxidizes glucose to carbon dioxide and the corresponding reduction of oxygen to water. An example of a counterpart to the process is its inverse in photosynthesis. In agriculture, ammonia is oxidized into nitric acid--which, incidentally, is also useful as an explosive, but I'll get to that. It's the fundamental reaction behind an electrochemical battery. In some cases, it releases an enormous amount of heat.

Suppose all of the glucose and oxygen in your blood were to suddenly redox. You would have a lot of energy on hand, and I suspect it would really hurt. The impression that our android hero gives me is that these aliens are walking fertilizer bombs, which is hardly the worst thing I can think of (we've got the equivalent and worse in many insect species on Earth), but still an excellent defense mechanism. I don't think it's the shockwave of the shotgun that is causing the backsplash of acid, it would be the onset of the oxidation of the acid itself.

:Basic rational thinking requires some reason to believe in the truth of a premise before believing in it: sure, it's ''possible'' xenomorphs are walking bombs (though it wouldn't really be much of a survival trait since it would mean even minor injuries had ridiculous fatality rates, and high-pressure blood would probably rupture their organs while providing no meaningful advantage) but there's no reason to believe it is anything but a mistake. If we were explaining it as if we were scientists who lived within the movie's world then sure, we'd have to treat the splashing acid as a direct physical observation which required some kind of explanation, but we treat the movie as a movie made by human beings who aren't necessarily trying to come up with a physically possible world. If the aliens' blood is simply acid that functions as blood, it should not behave the way it does.

:The other problem would be, if the aliens' blood is already undergoing an extremely energetic chemical reaction due to their death, how would it ''remain'' the incredibly reactive universal solvent it's shown as? Are we supposed to believe it's a special non-conservation-of-energy reaction? I mean never mind that real acids aren't the Hollywood anti-existence fluid that xenomorphs are apparently filled with. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:10, 22 September 2014 (EDT)

:: As stated in another discussion below, I think this is something being (seriously) over-thought about. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:39, 22 September 2014 (EDT)

let me add another sunny point about trying to kill the alien with a flame thrower a chemist friend of mine and this was also covered in the aliens colonial marines technical manual that if the acid blood contained hydrofluorocarbons it would be like throwing a can of deodorant into a fire a nasty boom would ensue and then the acid blood splatter would cover the aggressor remember flamethrowers are at best short ranged weapons --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 18:48, 26 November 2014 (EST)

==Stock Pulse rifle and Flamethrower pics==
[[Image: M41a01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M41A Existing]]
[[Image:ALIENS-M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M41A new]]
[[Image:M240Flamethrower.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M240 Flamethrower existing]]
[[Image:ALIENS-M240.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240 Flamethrower new]]

Keep existing or change to new ones?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:26, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
-I'd say keep the existing M41A, if only because I uploaded it, and I like seeing the receivers.-protoAuthor 01:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Those are two of my favourite fictional weapons.

:I really don't like the picture of the M41A that we have on the page. It is an airsoft replica (I saw it on an airsoft site once), not one of the real guns. Whereas this picture...

:[[Image:Pulse Rifle-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M41A Pulse Rifle - 10mm caseless/30mm grenades.]]

:...is one of the actual screen-used M41As from the series (even though it's still painted black from being used in ''[[Alien³]]'', unlike the ones in ''[[Aliens]]'' which were still green). I realize it's low-res, but the pic was taken by Dan Shea in 2002 (when most people were still on 56K and everything loaded slower). As best I know, this is the only one of the pulse rifles that Bapty & Co. has kept in its original configuration. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:13, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
::The second pic the one labeled M41A new I took it from the DVD. Same thing with the M240 Flamethrower.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:16, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:::Ah, OK. Then we should at least use that one, I think. Screen-used gun pictures are always preferable to stuff like airsoft replica pictures. Though I wonder if we should take the LMO picture and use it on the ''[[Alien³]]'' page? (since it's still in the same color scheme seen in that movie) -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Sounds good to me. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:42, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::All of the pictures in this section are screen used. I took mine from the DVD as well.-protoAuthor 02:22, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

==Hicks or Hudson==
In the description of the Ithaca Stakeout, it says that it was Hicks that shot the alien in the mouth as they were trying to close the door of the APC. But wasn't it Hudson who did that? Wouldn't it make more sense considering it was Hudson that got burned? I thought Hicks was busy trying to close the door. Or did I "misremember" it? Can someone confirm?
:Michael Biehn is Hicks. Hudson got splashed, even though he didn't fire the gun.-protoAuthor 22:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::Hicks initially tried to close the door himself, then Vasquez and Hudson go to help. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:ALIENS-00001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hicks after shooting the alien, Hudson was on the left and Vasquez was on the right (whose hand you see in the screenshot on the main page.) Hicks does gets sprayed later when one tries to get in the elevator.]]

==Advertising?==
Can we please remove the tasteless advertising from the Pulse Rifle? This is a DB, not a forum, if anything it belongs in the discussion tab. Scratch that I AM removing it, it will be in the discussion tab. --Furious Oyster

==Lage Mfg==
Lage Manufacturing in currently working on a real live fire replica called the Max-41A. The MAX-41A is a combination submachinegun in 9mm and short barreled 12 gauge shotgun designed to resemble the M-41A Pulse Rifle from the movie.

Submachinegun component is a NFA registered SWD M-11/9 with an Anthony Smith style Suomi upper receiver. Magazine used is a Suomi "Coffin" magazine that holds 50 rounds of 9mm. Shotgun component is a NFA registered Remington 870 short barreled shotgun and holds two rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber.

BATFE letter was obtained confirming this is a legal configuration, prior to manufacturing.

The MAX-41A is a prototype that is currently being tested. My main concern is durability when fired with 12 guage buckshot and slugs. So far, most testing has been with light birdshot loads. The subgun component has run flawlessly.

The bullet counter has a minor problem when firing in full auto, only counts half of the rounds fired. When firing singles, there is no problem. Should be fixable.

The test phase is expected to take about a year.

The Bullet counters do add some tension in the combat scenes

update 20/2/11 (2/20/11 US) http://www.max-11.com/TopSecret.html

Link to photo's and video in use. Not going into production so will remain a concept gun. If many law enforcement agencies around the world hadn't up-gunned to 5.56mm, it could have had a market as a dual weapon, 9mm lethal load and 12 gauge less lethal such as baton round, gas round or TASER round.

==Pulse Rifle Sound==
Mainly a trivial question, but does anybody know how they obtained the sounds for the pulse rifles? I've always wanted to know...

==Original Pulse Rile==
The original plan was to use an MP5 for the Pulse Rifle, but James Cameron didn't like the muzzle flash. The Thompson gave the look he wanted. I haven't seen the movie in years, but one of the Marines is suppose to be wearing a t shirt with the MP5 Pulse Rifle on it. The dvd extras has a drawing of the MP5 Pulse Rifle. David.
:I noticed that when I saw The DVD extras too and saw the drawing of the Pulse Rifle, I noticed a MP5A3 stock, but didn't know they were originally going to use a MP5. That's a cool bit of trivia. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:06, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

==Colonial Marines==
is there really a branch of the military called the Colonial marines? I cant seem to get a staight answer from anybody. I know that probably means no, there isnt, but for the sake of making myself look less like an idiot, i had to ask.--Gunner5
:The British used to have a Corps Of Colonial Marines in the 1800s, but as far as I know, there's no such thing in the world today.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 02:36, 29 February 2012 (CST)
i belive they use the term colonial as they protect the intrests of america ie there colonlys in deep space the Colonial marines techinal manual goes into great detail over this (User:Seekerdude 29/02/2012 16:23 GMT )

In fiction, [[Battlestar Galactica]] had Colonial Marines as well, but they were less of an expeditionary force and assumed more traditional Marine roles, like security, boarding parties, etc. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:34, 29 February 2012 (CST)

==Sulaco's turrets==
While not really worth noting on the page, the guns on the top and bottom of the ''Sulaco'' are ''technically'' dressed-up 35 mm Oerlikon KDA autocannons, since the turrets are made from the guns of a 1/35 Tamiya Flakpanzer Gepard model stuck on a Tamiya M60A2 tank turret (top) and the original Gepard turret (bottom). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:57, 27 November 2012 (EST)

==The VP70 is not VP70Z ?==
I do not seem to [[Heckler & Koch VP70|VP70]] was the standard type in the movie.This is the type of the figure below?
[[File:Vp70v1.jpg|300px|thumb|none]]
[[Image:ALSF-VP70.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Atherton displays one of the VP70's.]]
--[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] 16:03, 9 April 2013 (JST)

==Lewis guns in the Sulaco Armoury==
Recently spotted that there are partially stripped Lewis guns with the barrel shroud removed - revealing the cooling vanes - in the armoury racks.
--[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] ([[User talk:Sidewinder Forge|talk]]) 13:48, 8 January 2014 (EST)
[[File:AliensArmory_Lewis_gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

In the initial pan across the weapons rack before the crew wakes, the camera passes in front of the area where they are but it's too dark to see anything. Later in the Readyline scene just after Frost passes out the Flamethrowers you can glimpse them behind Drake (Smartgunner).
[[File:Aliens Lewis guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Here's one stripped showing the 'radiator' that's clearly visible in the film along with the distinctive receiver bottom shape.
[[File:Lewis gun in pieces.jpg]]

==Hicks' shotgun==
Does anyone know what's going on with Hicks' shotgun? The receiver is definitely from a hunting variant since it has engravings in it, but the barrel is apparently not a field barrel (no ribbing). It's also got an elaborate front sight. There's pictures of it [http://web.archive.org/web/20090212153533/http://www.propstore.com/hicksshotgun.htm here].[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 16:33, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
: Could just be a cobbling together of several guns, much like how many M16s/ARs will actually be a mish-mash of several pieces and components from various and differing rifles. Of course it's seen sometimes in other guns as well (FALs and the SIG P226 in ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]'' being a couple of other examples). I will grant in the case of this kind of weapon it's a bit unusual, but certainly not something beyond the realm of possibility I would think. Movie armorers seem to build-up firearms that are hybrids of several components put together whenever needed/desired plenty, so again, I think that's all it really is here. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:04, 26 August 2014 (EDT)

::Do you have any idea where the barrel is from?[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 22:07, 26 August 2014 (EDT)

==Launchers?==
===ARWEN 37===
In the dropship, Ripley runs past a rack of [[ARWEN 37]]s on the way to her seat as she's carrying Newt.
[[File:Arwen 37.JPG|thumb|none|500px|ARWEN 37 - 37mm]]

: I took a look and there didn't seem to be any. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 01:47, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

::Are you sure? According to [http://forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12729&hilit=arwen&start=32 this guy], it's "real dark and its real quick".--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 13:43, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

::Alright, I just looked myself and I think they're on the wall right next to the cockpit door and some Pulse Rifles.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 13:54, 27 August 2014 (EDT)
:::If you have it, can you just grab the cap now? If you don't know how, please refer to the [[IMFDB Screencapping Guide]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:58, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

::::My computer can't play Blu-rays unfortunately. I can take a picture of my TV though.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 16:12, 27 August 2014 (EDT)
:::::If you could describe more specifically at what point you see it, I'll see if I can grab it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 16:23, 27 August 2014 (EDT)
[[File:Aliens 750.jpg|thumb|none|601px]]
[[File:Aliens 751.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Aliens 754.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Aliens 757.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Aliens 758.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

::::::Thanks. I thought it was those things to the right of Pulse Rifles in the first picture. You can see what looks to be a drum magazine.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 19:34, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

::::::Nope, those are flamethrowers, never mind then. If it's in the movie, you can't see it. There are some behind the scenes pictures of it though. I guess they at least considered using it.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 19:36, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

==M40 grenades==
If a button on the tip activates the detonator when pressed, how do users keep from blowing the gun and themselves up when loading the launcher? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:47, 22 September 2014 (EDT)

:They did think of this, as there's a green safety cap that must be removed before the button can be depressed. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 03:32, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
::I distinctly remember Gorman flipping off the cap with his thumb before he and Vasquez detonate the round. So is the cap designed to crush on impact and hit the detonator? Because that assumes you'd only be using it on armored targets. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:18, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
:::Eh, depending on how interplanetary rules of war work, that might even be a deliberate feature. Doubt that was the idea, mind you. But if the cap isn't removed on loading, it's probably an inertial detonator to stop it exploding if it hits an unarmoured target or light cover. If it is removed before loading, then it would have some serious not-blowing-up issues. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:23, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
::::That's the other thing, does it have a safety that prevents it from arming itself before it flies a certain distance, like 40mm grenades do? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:08, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
:::::The more I think about it, the more I get the distinct feeling whoever wrote that scene didn't quite get that UBGLs don't fire hand grenades. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:13, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
[[File:Aliens 740.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the green cap on the round.]]
::::::And we're just over thinking it. They just wanted something they use to dramatically commit suicide with. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:27, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
:::::::No, over thinking it would be questioning why a corporal (Hicks) would have the authority to order use of the ''Sulaco'''s nuclear weapons. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:10, 26 November 2014 (EST)

==Interesting factoid==
So as might be known by some, [[James Remar]] was originally cast as Hicks but was fired after he was caught in possession of illegal substances. Anyway, apparently a live round ended up on set and in one of the weapons somehow and Remar subsequently blew a hole into an adjacent stage where ''Little Shop of Horrors'' was being filmed.[http://www.empireonline.com/features/aliens-colonial-marines-profiles/] (scroll down to Apone's bio for the brief story) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 04:22, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

Talk:X-Men: Days of Future Past

2014-10-15T22:08:52Z

Seekerdude: /* where would they have got the ammo */ new section

I don't know why, but I have a feeling this will be as epic as The Dark Knight. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:40, 13 April 2014 (EDT)

==Sentinels' rotary guns==

Saw a trailer for this movie and it showed brief clips of large humanoid robots that I'm assuming are supposed to be Sentinels, one of which was firing a rotary gun that looked like either a [[GE M134 Minigun]], or an [[M61 Vulcan]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] ([[User talk:Orca1 9904|talk]]) 03:43, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

== where would they have got the ammo ==

in the film one of the thugs has a Tokarev where would they have got the ammo for it the other guns the colts and the browning the ammo was and still is readily available i was led to believe Warsaw pact weapons and ammo were hard to get before the fall of the iron curtain --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 18:08, 15 October 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Dishonored (VG)

2014-08-02T18:06:19Z

Seekerdude: /* dishonored pistol */ new section

Isn't that a Wheel-lock pistol? [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 17:48, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

I will go ahead and edit it then if there are no objections. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 17:29, 1 August 2014 (EDT)
:Is this the only gun in the game? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:33, 1 August 2014 (EDT)

Let me guess, you want to remove it, and I just finished editing it. Anyway, I didn't create the page and I haven't played the game myself so I do not know. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 17:45, 1 August 2014 (EDT)

I'm replaying it now, and it is indeed the only gun in the game. [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] ([[User talk:Jimmoy|talk]]) 09:30, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
:The page is certainly on the fence. It might not be eligible if the only firearm is an unidentifiable wheel-lock. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:48, 2 August 2014 (EDT)

== dishonored pistol ==

http://dishonored.wikia.com/wiki/Pistol

hi i am putting in this link it explains a bit more on the mechanism and upgrades but i agree with the others this page is borderline as it only has one weapon --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 14:06, 2 August 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Over There

2014-05-02T21:32:22Z

Seekerdude:

in one of the episodes an insurgent attacking the money convoy seems to have a mk4 smle lee enfield i don,t have a screen shot but you dont seem to see the bayonet lug --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 17:32, 2 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Over There

2014-05-02T21:31:09Z

Seekerdude: possible weapon

in one of the episodes an insurgent attacking the money convoy seems to have a mk4 smle lee enfield i don,t have a screen shot but you dont seem to see the bayonet lug

Talk:Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

2013-11-17T20:22:07Z

Seekerdude: /* Transport */

==Transport==
Dorky plane complaint: Wouldn't the jetwash from the front engines disrupt the airflow to the rear engines? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:55, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
[[File:MAOS S01E01 017.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:The mounts for the engines look overly complicated to me, so my guess is that the plane will turn out to be a VTOL. In that case the only time the rear engines would be needed is for that, when the front engines would be pointing down away from them. Am I correct in thinking that this is a C-17 with bits bolted/CG'd on? (and by bits I mainly mean the second set of lower tail fins with the rear engines) --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:17, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
::It looks like a C-17 to me as well. The hanger has a cutout for the plane's vertical stabilizer, but won't work for this plane since it has a T-tail. I can't tell from the shots if that will be a problem for this plane. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:27, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
:::Found another image from a new trailer:[[File:SHIELD plane.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]Pretty sure it is a C-17, and it keeps the T tail so god knows how they get it out of that hanger. Luckily, in the shot where the plane is leaving the hanger the design of the door has conveniently changed to accomodate it:[[File:SHIELD plane hanger.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]I think this is either a different hanger or has been massively structurally altered as there is no way the the slot in the top of the hanger is getting wider without a lot of support beams disappearing.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:50, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
the design of the hanger is nothing new probably originally made for 747s back in the late 1960s
::::I ''think'' the section with support beams is supposed to slide back on runners and open upwards like a garage door. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:04, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
I wouldn't read into it too much, its probably ment to be Stark tech or something,so super unrealistic in real world setting, then again this is a show about super heroes. The taildoor also can apparently lift at least 5 tons (both cars standing on it) , although that my be lack of knowledge on my part? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:17, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:You should know in fiction anything that lifts can lift infinite weight. Especially any kind of lifting bridge, I know at least two games (''Valkyria Chronicles'' and ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty'') where lift bridges still function despite having enough tanks on them to collapse them entirely.
Yeah I ment it that maybe it ignorance on my part and it can be done in real life, my knowledge of cargo aircraft is non-existant at best, besides they always give iron mans armor sets a definite amount of strenght in tons (higly unrealistic ussually) but still --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:02, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
::The ramp is very capable of doing that, in fact it is designed to be used as a loading aid with pallets being put onto the ramp, and then raising the ramp to get them to slide them into the plane. When fully loaded the last four of the 18 pallets a C-17 can carry are put on the ramp, and each pallet can weigh about 10,000 pounds. This suggests that the ramp is capable of lifting at least 18 tonnes. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:53, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:I'm calling it right now, tail is a detachable secondary aircraft (possibly with real light and sound and firing missile launchers). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:59, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
::And a bonus Robin Scherbatsky action figure. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:39, 10 October 2013 (EDT)

==Moving this here==
If I can find a better screencap without the ABC watermark. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:38, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

[[File:Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 003.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Phil Coulson ([[Clark Gregg]]) with an M&P.]]
:I think this was cut out of the episode. In the part where Coulson and that woman are fighting together spinning around, there is a cut where they skip half of a turn. It looks really odd, as it just skips a second for seemingly no reason. One would assume they cut it for time, but cutting out something in the middle of a shot is a really odd way to do it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:26, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

hey if you get a good clear image for the rest of us i will forgive you --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 15:15, 17 November 2013 (EST)

== M16s ==

I'm not sure if any of these are M16A2s. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:30, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
[[File:AOS 084 PMP soldiers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PMP soldiers are armed with the M16A2 when they confront Coulson's S.H.I.E.L.D. team (S01E02).]]
:I think the M16s were a mix of A1s with A2 furniture, MGC replicas and M16A4s, didn't see any genuine A2s. I will check again and put up some caps later. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:38, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
::Just went through and although none of the pictured guns are A2s, there is an A2 visible at a few points, although I think there is only the one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:35, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

== 1911 variant? ==

Not sure what this is, but don't think it is a Colt. It has slanted slide serrations and a commander style hammer (but with what looks like a regular M1911A1 style grip safety):
[[File:MAOS_S01E02_020.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
My guess is that it is an Auto Ord variant (my other guess would be a Springfield Armory, but I think if it was that you would be able to see a large logo on the slide) but I don't really know enough about them to tell for sure. Any ideas? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:01, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

==Unknowns==
==Unidentified Pistol==
Swedish police officers in "Eye Spy" (S01E04) can be seen with unidentified holstered pistols.
[[File:MAOS S01E04 006.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The police officer on the left can be seen with a holstered pistol.]]

==Unknown X-Ray Rifle==
[[File:AOS S01E04 weapons cache.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rifle is seen next to an AKMS (S01E04).]]

A SCAR-H maybe? The shape of the stock fits.

[[Image:2fff2537c0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Third Generation FN SCAR-H CQC - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:18, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

Looking at the barrel length it's possibly a SCAR-H Standard with a scope mounted on it.
[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 22:23, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

2013-11-17T20:15:05Z

Seekerdude: /* Moving this here */

==Transport==
Dorky plane complaint: Wouldn't the jetwash from the front engines disrupt the airflow to the rear engines? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:55, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
[[File:MAOS S01E01 017.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:The mounts for the engines look overly complicated to me, so my guess is that the plane will turn out to be a VTOL. In that case the only time the rear engines would be needed is for that, when the front engines would be pointing down away from them. Am I correct in thinking that this is a C-17 with bits bolted/CG'd on? (and by bits I mainly mean the second set of lower tail fins with the rear engines) --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:17, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
::It looks like a C-17 to me as well. The hanger has a cutout for the plane's vertical stabilizer, but won't work for this plane since it has a T-tail. I can't tell from the shots if that will be a problem for this plane. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:27, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
:::Found another image from a new trailer:[[File:SHIELD plane.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]Pretty sure it is a C-17, and it keeps the T tail so god knows how they get it out of that hanger. Luckily, in the shot where the plane is leaving the hanger the design of the door has conveniently changed to accomodate it:[[File:SHIELD plane hanger.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]I think this is either a different hanger or has been massively structurally altered as there is no way the the slot in the top of the hanger is getting wider without a lot of support beams disappearing.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:50, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
::::I ''think'' the section with support beams is supposed to slide back on runners and open upwards like a garage door. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:04, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
I wouldn't read into it too much, its probably ment to be Stark tech or something,so super unrealistic in real world setting, then again this is a show about super heroes. The taildoor also can apparently lift at least 5 tons (both cars standing on it) , although that my be lack of knowledge on my part? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:17, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:You should know in fiction anything that lifts can lift infinite weight. Especially any kind of lifting bridge, I know at least two games (''Valkyria Chronicles'' and ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty'') where lift bridges still function despite having enough tanks on them to collapse them entirely.
Yeah I ment it that maybe it ignorance on my part and it can be done in real life, my knowledge of cargo aircraft is non-existant at best, besides they always give iron mans armor sets a definite amount of strenght in tons (higly unrealistic ussually) but still --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:02, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
::The ramp is very capable of doing that, in fact it is designed to be used as a loading aid with pallets being put onto the ramp, and then raising the ramp to get them to slide them into the plane. When fully loaded the last four of the 18 pallets a C-17 can carry are put on the ramp, and each pallet can weigh about 10,000 pounds. This suggests that the ramp is capable of lifting at least 18 tonnes. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:53, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:I'm calling it right now, tail is a detachable secondary aircraft (possibly with real light and sound and firing missile launchers). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:59, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
::And a bonus Robin Scherbatsky action figure. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:39, 10 October 2013 (EDT)

==Moving this here==
If I can find a better screencap without the ABC watermark. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:38, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

[[File:Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 003.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Phil Coulson ([[Clark Gregg]]) with an M&P.]]
:I think this was cut out of the episode. In the part where Coulson and that woman are fighting together spinning around, there is a cut where they skip half of a turn. It looks really odd, as it just skips a second for seemingly no reason. One would assume they cut it for time, but cutting out something in the middle of a shot is a really odd way to do it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:26, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

hey if you get a good clear image for the rest of us i will forgive you --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 15:15, 17 November 2013 (EST)

== M16s ==

I'm not sure if any of these are M16A2s. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:30, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
[[File:AOS 084 PMP soldiers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PMP soldiers are armed with the M16A2 when they confront Coulson's S.H.I.E.L.D. team (S01E02).]]
:I think the M16s were a mix of A1s with A2 furniture, MGC replicas and M16A4s, didn't see any genuine A2s. I will check again and put up some caps later. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:38, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
::Just went through and although none of the pictured guns are A2s, there is an A2 visible at a few points, although I think there is only the one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:35, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

== 1911 variant? ==

Not sure what this is, but don't think it is a Colt. It has slanted slide serrations and a commander style hammer (but with what looks like a regular M1911A1 style grip safety):
[[File:MAOS_S01E02_020.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
My guess is that it is an Auto Ord variant (my other guess would be a Springfield Armory, but I think if it was that you would be able to see a large logo on the slide) but I don't really know enough about them to tell for sure. Any ideas? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:01, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

==Unknowns==
==Unidentified Pistol==
Swedish police officers in "Eye Spy" (S01E04) can be seen with unidentified holstered pistols.
[[File:MAOS S01E04 006.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The police officer on the left can be seen with a holstered pistol.]]

==Unknown X-Ray Rifle==
[[File:AOS S01E04 weapons cache.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rifle is seen next to an AKMS (S01E04).]]

A SCAR-H maybe? The shape of the stock fits.

[[Image:2fff2537c0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Third Generation FN SCAR-H CQC - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:18, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

Looking at the barrel length it's possibly a SCAR-H Standard with a scope mounted on it.
[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 22:23, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

Talk:The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct

2013-08-14T15:50:09Z

Seekerdude: /* Semi-Auto Rifle (Unkrown) */

:What do you need to know? And please sign your posts. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:28, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

== The Walking Dead Survival Instinct firearms ==

the weapons in this game i belive are these
Colt 1911 variant
Mossberg 500 series shotgun
Smith & Wesson Model 66
Glock 19
Benelli M4
Ruger M77
Chinese Type 56 Carbine aka the Chinese SKS rifle
12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun now if any one can id these weapons better thanks

--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 17:36, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

== Semi-Auto Rifle (Unkrown) ==
What is the identification of Semi-Auto Rifle in game?

that would be a chinese sks type 56
here is the link
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/SKS
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 17:24, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

:No, it's not an SKS due to the fact that it has a detachable straight-wall magazine. While an SKS ''can'' be modified with a detachable magazine, it would be tapered rather than straight due to its 7.62x39mm caliber (even 5- and 10-round mags in that caliber are tapered). Rather, the mag looks to me like an M1 carbine magazine that's just been enlarged. Another random note about the Semi-Auto Rifle are that its sights are misaligned, making it difficult to aim. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:31, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

tell me about it all though the hooded sight led me to believe it was a type 56 also the detachable led me down this train of thought odd that the game developers used a ComBloc weapon / warsaw pact weapon --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 11:22, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

oops got it wrong http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Type_63_Rifle could this be it the weapon in question--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 11:50, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

Talk:The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct

2013-08-14T15:22:48Z

Seekerdude: /* Semi-Auto Rifle (Unkrown) */

Talk:The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct

2013-08-13T21:24:25Z

Seekerdude: /* Semi-Auto Rifle (Unkrown) */

Talk:Webley Bulldog

2013-08-13T21:21:54Z

Seekerdude: /* also known as */ new section

Forgive my ignorance, but I was just wondering whether this is single or double action. I've never actually seen a movie where its fired, so I'm not sure. Thanks in advance. [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 17:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to forgive. It's a double action. But it's a ''very stout'' double action. Most shooters cock it and fire it as a single action. Webley revolvers in general have a very healthy DA trigger pull.Wonderful revolvers though. All of the different models. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:26, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

== Variants ==
[[File:WebleyBulldog.jpg|thumb|none|400px| Webley Bulldog]]

== also known as ==

it is also refered to as the royal irish constabulary revolver en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley_Revolver or bulldog revolver
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 17:21, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

Talk:The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct

2013-08-12T21:36:33Z

Seekerdude: /* The Walking Dead Survival Instinct firearms */ new section

Hi all, I came to edit this new page that does not exist. And now I will work the game The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct. If I read the rules, standards and other. responsibility do I have to capture screenshot in the game with guns. Patience. Anyone can tell me about permission. Here I hope thanks
:What do you need to know? And please sign your posts. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:28, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

== The Walking Dead Survival Instinct firearms ==

the weapons in this game i belive are these
Colt 1911 variant
Mossberg 500 series shotgun
Smith & Wesson Model 66
Glock 19
Benelli M4
Ruger M77
Chinese Type 56 Carbine aka the Chinese SKS rifle
12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun now if any one can id these weapons better thanks

--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 17:36, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Arrow - Season 1

2013-07-26T18:46:29Z

Seekerdude: Created page with "Enfield L85A2 must be airsoft as the british goverment is very reluctant to sell these into private hands plus any members of the british army and royal marines i know could ..."

Enfield L85A2

must be airsoft as the british goverment is very reluctant to sell these into private hands plus any members of the british army and royal marines i know could not curse this weapon enough --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 14:46, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Aliens: Colonial Marines

2013-05-19T10:59:23Z

Seekerdude: /* Disappointing */

*Valant 5/23/12 15:35 PST
I am a die hard fan of the Alien franchise, especially the second movie which holds to me as my favorite movie (cant count how many times I have seen it). I wanted to start a forum discussion relating to one of the only characters from the movie who has a slight chance of making it into the game: Private Hudson (Bill Paxton's character). *SPOILER ALERT FOR FILM* He was seen being dragged down into the depths of the ground, and proved himself a powerful soldier. I have a theory that he will appear in the movie if not as a main character than at least a cameo. Newt was able to survive on the planet for an extended period of time and the screen shots do show Hadley's Hope not completely destroyed. I hope this becomes a reality and wanted to get all of your feedback
:I don't see how that would be possible, are you forgetting about the gigantic nuclear explosion that destroyed the whole colony? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:47, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
*Valant 5/29/12 13:42 PST*
I thought the same thing to about the Nuclear Explosion, then again they show in the E3 2011 footage large portions of the colony left intact, that or in the Aliens Colonial Marines Technical Manual at the end of the book there are some transcripts from Weyland Yutani Representatives who state that the spaceship could have been left intact because of the blast radius did not reach it. Maybe he made it to the Derlict Space Jockey craft because of a rover or some Sci Fi BS. If did it would not be to upset.

I'm willing to bet that there will be an achievement for maybe finding his body or his gun since it shows up in the main page of this game. That'd be interesting, like 10 points and the achievement is called "Game over, Man! Game Over!" Just a thought. I however find it unlikely he survived that assault let alone surviving on that planet for 17 weeks. --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 22:51, 11 February 2013 (EST)
:According to one review, there is an achievement with that name, but it's for finishing the game. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:33, 12 February 2013 (EST)

==Disappointing==

This game...wow. Aside from calling mags clips even the magazine tube in shotguns clips, they also mistake a pump action for semi auto. That's what it saids. I couldn't stop laughing at the stupid when the shotgun called "Pump Shotgun" has listed fire mode as "Semi automatic" [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 13:52, 12 February 2013 (EST)
:If they're the only problems with the game, frankly I'll be a happy man.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 03:35, 13 February 2013 (EST)
::I wish that was the only problem with the game. That's just related to guns. The game is crap with bad graphics, cheesy story, stupid AI and clunky controls [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 08:19, 13 February 2013 (EST)
Not to mention the limbs clipping through the walls and shitty dialogue/writing. Can't believe it took them 7 years to make this game. Duke Nukem Forever all over again... AVP2010 is much better in my opinion. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 09:09, 13 February 2013 (EST)
:Ehh, I wouldn't go that far. AVP 2010 was pretty damn lousy and at least in this one the NPCs aren't quite so enthusiastic about nagging you to death. Also you don't have a Predator trying to stab himself in the eyes with his wristblades. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:44, 13 February 2013 (EST)

AVP had a problem because we focused at 3 different factions and 3 different types of story and gameplay. So they had to deal with multiple things. This game, they only had to focus on the Marines in the singleplayer...multiplayer aside, they had ONE faction to deal with. The Marines. Oh how they fucked it up. The graphics look like PS2 graphics. The enemy AI and your friendly AI clip through walls, don't follow you and seem very lifeless in conversation. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:04, 13 February 2013 (EST)

:::Having now played this myself... It's not ''that'' bad. The graphics are certainly above PS2 standard, saying that's just unfair. The lighting's well done. But it's by no means ''Killzone 2'' in the graphics department. The nostalgic touches are great, but I guess they'll only influence people like me who love the film. The AI's pretty poor. But the absolute worst sin the game commits is by failing to make the Aliens scary. They're just cannon fodder. At least ''AvP'''s Marine campaign was freaky.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 03:40, 14 February 2013 (EST)

: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck836MIeYwo here is a great review of the game. The guy mentions pretty much everything I have problems with. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 06:23, 14 February 2013 (EST)

::Holy hell, that screen tearing. That doesn't happen on PC. Neither does the texture draw-in. I guess they mained on PC (which has a vsync option) and the other two platforms are ports which aren't optimised for a console's amount of graphics RAM (Xbox 360 has ten megs of graphics RAM and 512 megs general, decent gaming PC has 2+ gigs of graphics RAM and 10+ gigs general). ''Rage'' had the same problem with main development being on PC, and since that used megatextures it had texture draw-in for the entire game world.

::On the plus side, the screen tearing can give Xbox owners some idea of what it's like to play bad PS3 ports. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:31, 14 February 2013 (EST)

::::I gotta be honest, I haven't noticed any real graphical glitches yet (admittedly I'm only about halfway through the game), with the exception of one Alien who ran straight through a door that was actually closed.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 06:56, 14 February 2013 (EST)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGX2WE4QUw8 This is another good reviewer that talks about the game and how it fails. Oh and take a look at this one, where it compares the demo to the final product. Night and day differences in quality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:16, 14 February 2013 (EST)
:[http://kotaku.com/5984068/how-aliens-colonial-marines-fell-apart This] would explain the disparity between the demo and final product. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:41, 14 February 2013 (EST)

Oh my god, the AI is crap. My squadmates don't shoot back, the Aliens run pass me and don't detect me shooting at them, and I literally ran through an entire level without firing a single shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:17, 14 February 2013 (EST)
: Yeah, I had the opposite problem. My squadmates shot back, ALL of the Aliens ran at me and bypassed my teammates, it took me half a magazine to kill ONE and I had to shoot everything in every level.--[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 19:26, 14 February 2013 (EST)
::I played the game on the hardest setting and ran through a lot of it because someone told me that I could, so I tried. Ran passed enemies and didn't even get hurt that much. An alien glitched so badly that it looked like it was dancing like in the Spaceballs scene [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:11, 14 February 2013 (EST)

Its like Big Rigs all over again.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]])

:Games like these make me realize all the more how great [[Aliens vs. Predator 2]] was--its singleplayer was well written, well scripted, and had some classic scares. Its multiplayer three-way inter-species combat with each faction having its own unique abilities and weaponry. Much as I wish Monolith Productions would get the next AvP game, a game like AvP2 will not likely be made again for the franchise--the original had 21 well-made levels (7 missions for each of the three singleplayer factions) along with all the work that had to go into multiplayer, and with the rising costs of game production it's unlikely anyone could fund a project of that magnitude today without a lot of "catering to the lowest common denominator." --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 23:22, 14 February 2013 (EST)
::The only real problem AVP2 had was the Predator campaign, which took a player character which would work great in an open stealth-focused game and stuffed them into narrow corridors. Though you can fix that and have a proper version by playing ''Crysis'' and roaring whenever you kill someone. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:14, 15 February 2013 (EST)
:Yeah, AvP2 was released in 2001, after all. Though the hypothetical mod you mention would definitely be something worth seeing (I hope they import the excellent Predator voice clips from AvP2 into such a mod, such as the inappropriate laughter when you score a headshot with the Speargun or the roar when you take a trophy or gib something). And tight corridors did at least make sense for most of the AvP2 Predator campaign that took place indoors, such as Xenomorph tunnels (who are used to crawling on all fours), the Forward Observation Pods (prefab suspended habitation units lowered in one piece from outer space, so open space is at a premium), and Pilot (AKA the Xenomorph creators) archaeology sites.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 17:23, 15 February 2013 (EST)
::Aye, but it doesn't really suit the Predator to be in those locations, you'd think he'd figure out some way to hunt his enemies on his own terms rather than trying to fight according to theirs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:04, 16 February 2013 (EST)
:Oh well, Monolith did try to justify it through their writing team, at least. Mission 1 is somewhat open-ended hunting by the Predator player character, mission 2 is tracking an APC carrying the player character's captured clan mates, mission 3 is infiltrating the Forward Observation Pods, mission 4 is escaping the pods, and missions 5 - 7 is tracking down the bastard who stole your Predator mask through Xenomorph tunnels and ancient extraterrestrial excavation sites. While I would like an open-ended Predator game, the Monolith devs did at least make the Predator campaign fun and compelling, even with a character who can't speak intelligibly. The ending to the Predator campaign in the Primal Hunt expansion is also quite a shock, assuming you haven't played the Alien campaign first in that game. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 18:37, 16 February 2013 (EST)

a wasted opportunity
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 06:59, 19 May 2013 (EDT)

== Bullpup ==

The unknown bullpup looks like the [[Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_2#.22SMR.22|SMR from BO2]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:14, 15 February 2013 (EST)
:Fairly sure they based it on [http://www.play2compete.co.uk/home/wp-content/gallery/halo-4/h4_battlerifle_2_tif_jpgcopy.jpg one of the battle rifle designs from the Halo games], [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5758/2185142-ipl7cfh8f0frm.jpg the DMR from Halo 4] which is derived from the same designs looks pretty similar if you ignore the silly underbarrel accessory and give it a full-barrel handguard. Real gun basis is probably a TAR-21 given the grip and stock. SMG looks like what happens when you bash a TDI Vector against a Pulse Rifle until they become one, and the other rifle is just some ugly attempt to make an accurised Pulse Rifle. Which spellcheck is recommending 'accursed' for. I think it's right about that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:59, 16 February 2013 (EST)

== M1911? ==

The in-game description of the M1911 states that it is chambered in 9mm. M1911's are .45 ACP.-Gunner5
:Correct but there are [[Star_1911_Series#Star_Model_B|1911 variants chambered for 9mm]].[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 13:51, 18 May 2013 (EDT)

The Walking Dead - Season 3

2013-03-27T18:40:02Z

Seekerdude: /* Steyr AUG A1 */

{{Ongoing}}
{{Infobox TV|The Walking Dead - Season 3
|picture = WalkingDeadS3.jpg
|country = [[File:USA.jpg|25px]] USA
|channel = AMC
|genre = Horror
|dates = 2012 - 2013
|episodes = 16
|character1= Rick Grimes
|actor1=[[Andrew Lincoln]]
|character2= Glenn Rhee
|actor2=[[Steven Yeun]]
|character3= Hershel Greene
|actor3=[[Scott Wilson]]
|character4= Andrea
|actor4=[[Laurie Holden]]
|character5= Maggie Greene
|actor5=[[Lauren Cohan]]
|character6=Daryl Dixon
|actor6=[[Norman Reedus]]
|character7=The Governor
|actor7=[[David Morrissey]]
|character8=Michonne
|actor8=[[Danai Gurira]]
|character9=Merle Dixon
|actor9=[[Michael Rooker]]
|character10= T-Dog
|actor10=[[IronE Singleton]]
|character11= Lori Grimes
|actor11=[[Sarah Wayne Callies]]
}}

'''See the [[Talk: Walking Dead, The - Season 3|Discussion]] for the weapons used in the webisodes that coincided with Season 3.'''

'''The following weapons appear in Season 3 of the television series ''[[Walking Dead, The (TV Series)|The Walking Dead]]'':'''

__TOC__ 

{{spoilers}}
=Revolvers=
==Colt Python==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) continues to carry his six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver in Season 3. He is first seen using it in "Sick" (S3E02), and "Killer Within" (S3E04). Oscar ([[Vincent Ward]]) also is seen using Rick's Python in "Killer Within" (S304). Rick pulls the Python at the beginning of "When the Dead Come Knockin" (S3E07) to kill a few walkers. Rick briefly uses it during "Made to Suffer" (S3E08) and then in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Python with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[File:TWDS3E02_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) pulls his Colt Python to threaten Axel ([[Lew Temple]]) in "Sick" (S3E02).]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Python is seen in the holster of Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E04 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oscar ([[Vincent Ward]]) also is seen using Rick's Python in "Killer Within" (S3E04).]]
[[File:TWDS3E12 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick reloads his Python in "Clear" (S3E12).]]

==Colt Detective Special==
Lori Grimes ([[Sarah Wayne Callies]]) continues to use the [[Colt Detective Special]] in Season 3. She uses the revolver in "Seed" (S3E01) and "Killer Within" (S3E04). Beth Greene ([[Emily Kinney]]) is seen keeping the Colt DS in her back pocket and fires this revolver in the air to stop a fight in "Arrow in the Doorpost" (S3E12).
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Walking_Dead_Season_3_Lori_304.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production image of Lori with the Colt from "Killer Within" (S3E04).]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lori Grimes ([[Sarah Wayne Callies]]) is seen using the Colt DS in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E04_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lori Grimes ([[Sarah Wayne Callies]]) with the Colt from "Killer Within" (S3E04).]]
[[File:TWDS3E13_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth Greene ([[Emily Kinney]]) fires this revolver in the air to stop a fight in "Arrow in the Doorpost" (S3E12).]]

== Colt Police Positive==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen carrying what appears to be the [[Colt Police Positive]] revolver in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:PolicePositive.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Police Positive - .38 Special.]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen carrying what appears to be the [[Colt Police Positive]] revolver in "Home" (S3E10). ]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 442 ==
In "Sick" (S3E02), Tomas ([[Nick Gomez]]) brandishes a hammerless [[Smith & Wesson Model 442]] revolver during a confrontation with Grimes and the rest of the group, which he claims that a prison guard gave to him before the prison was overrun by walkers in that episode. Carol ([[Melissa McBride]]) is seen using the revolver in "Killer Within" (S3E04).
[[Image:S&WModel442Airweight.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 442 Airweight- .38 Special]]
[[File:TWDS3E02 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Sick" (S3E02), Tomas ([[Nick Gomez]]) brandishes a hammerless [[Smith & Wesson Model 442]] revolver during a confrontation with Grimes and the rest of the group.]]
[[File:TWDS3E04_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carol ([[Melissa McBride]]) is seen using the revolver in "Killer Within" (S3E04).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
Hershel is seen with what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] revolver taped to his thigh in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).
[[Image:M36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[File:TWDS3E13_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hershel is seen with this revolver taped to his thigh in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).]]

==Webley "WG" Army Model==
A [[Webley "WG" Army Model]] revolver appears to be the handgun used by the Mexican survivor in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:wgl.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley "WG" Army Model .455 Webley]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_12.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A [[Webley "WG" Army Model]] revolver appears to be the handgun used by the Mexican survivor in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_07.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Webley after being dropped in "Home" (S3E10).]]

=Pistols=
==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms used by Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) in Season 3. He is seen using it with an improvised suppressor in "Seed" (S3E01). Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) is seen with the pistol in later episodes.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Glock fitted with a suppressor in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_81.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick uses the Glock fitted with a suppressor in the prison yard in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[Image:Walkingdead4.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|Production image of Rick with suppressed Glock. It appears that the suppressor has been improvised from MAGlite flashlight.]]

==Glock 19==
A [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] appears to be carried by Hershel ([[Scott Wilson]]) in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19]]
[[File:TWDS3E05_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) is seen with the pistol in in "Say the Word" (S3E05)]]
[[File:TWDS3E06_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glenn draws the Glock on Merle in "Hounded" (S3E06).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] is carried by Hershel ([[Scott Wilson]]) in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] is fired by Hershel ([[Scott Wilson]]) in "Home" (S3E10).]]

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is the weapon seen used by Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) in Season 3. He is seen using it with an improvised suppressor in "Seed" (S3E01). In the same episode, the group find several in the armory and T-Dog is briefly seen handling one. Michonne ([[Danai Gurira]]) is seen taking out Andrea's Beretta and giving it to her after seeing the helicopter crash in "Walk With Me" (S3E03). Andrea is later seen using it again in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_06.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) is seen using the Beretta with a suppressor in "Seed" (S3E01). His suppressor appears to have been fashioned from an aluminum baseball bat.]]
[[File:TWDS3E01 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several Berettas are found in the prison in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E03_71.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Michonne ([[Danai Gurira]]) is seen taking out Andrea's Beretta and giving it to her after seeing the helicopter crash in "Walk With Me" (S3E03).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) is seen carrying the Beretta in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E09_22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of Carl's suppressed Beretta in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]
[[File:TWDS3E12 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl holds the Beretta in "Clear" (S3E12).]]

== Beretta 92SB Nickel ==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) appears to carry what appears to be a [[Beretta 92SB]] with a nickel finish in Season 3. In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), he is seen keeping it in a crossdraw holster and first seen using it when confronting a group of National Guard survivors. He also is notably seen using the pistol in "When the Dead Come Knockin" (S3E07), "Made To Suffer" (S3E08) and "The Suicide King" (S3E09).
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92SB Nickel Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) pulls his Beretta 92SB.]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk With Me" (S3E02), The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) pulls his Beretta 92SB when confronting a group of National Guard survivors.]]
[[File:TWDS3E07_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) uses his Beretta to threaten Maggie in "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_35.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) holds up his Beretta in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E09 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) with his Beretta in "The Suicide King" (S3E09). The Beretta appears to have a rounded trigger guard, thus confirming it is an SB and not an FS.]]
[[File:TWDS3E15 17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) draws his Beretta in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).]]
[[File:TWDS3E15 18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) fires his Beretta in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).]]

==Browning BDA==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) is seen using the [[Browning BDA]] near the end of "Killer Within" (S3E04). He kills a few walkers with it at the beginning of "When the Dead Come Knockin" (S3E07) and then is seen with it in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:Browning-BDA-9mm.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Browning BDA - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E04 05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the BDA in "Killer Within" (S3E04). ]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_19.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl seen with the Browning in "Home" (S3E10).]]

==Colt MK IV Series70==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen armed with an [[Colt MK IV Series 70]] as his sidearm, notably in "Walk with Me" (S3E03) and "Hounded" (S3E06). He carries the Colt in a quick-draw a holster on his hip.
[[Image:Colt-MKIV-Series70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Bayonet arm.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen armed with an [[M1911A1]] and his new bayonet prosthetic in "Walk with Me" (S3E03).]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 06.jpg|thumb|none|601px||Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) holds the stainless [[M1911A1]] in "Walk with Me" (S3E03).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) is seen using the [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "Seed" (S3E01), "Say the Word" (S3E05), and "Hounded" (S3E06).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_77.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) is seen using the SIG in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E06_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) is seen pulling the SIG in "Hounded" (S3E06).]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"==
T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) continues to carry the [[Smith & Wesson 3913#Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"|Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]] that was used by Andrea in the previous seasons. In "Home" (S3E10), Axel ([[Lew Temple]]) is seen with the pistol and asks Carol how to use it.
[[Image:S&W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith" - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_72.jpg|thumb|none|600px|T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) is seen with Andrea's [[Smith & Wesson 3913#Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"|Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]] in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E02_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) pulls the [[Smith & Wesson 3913#Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"|Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]] during a confrontation with inmates in "Sick" (S3E02).]]
[[Image:Iron-e-singleton-t-dog-walking-dead-sick-season-3-amc.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production image of T-dog with the gun in Prison Riot Gear.]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Axel ([[Lew Temple]]) holds the pistol in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_16.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carol shows Axel how to operate in the pistol in "Home" (S3E10).]]

==Vektor CP1==
A [[Vektor CP1]] is used by Beth Greene ([[Emily Kinney]]) in "Seed" (S3E01).
[[File:VectorCP1PistolOtherSide.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Vektor CP1 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_76.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth Greene ([[Emily Kinney]]) is seen using the Vektor in "Seed" (S3E01).]]

==Walther P38==
Tim ([[Lawrence Kao]]), one of the Governor's men, is seen carrying a [[Walther P38]] as his sidearm, notably in "Walk with Me" and "Hounded" (S3E06).
[[Image:WaltherP1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P1 - 9x19mm. All post-war P38's can be recognized by a better finish, the Walther logo in the flag (the only pre-war with this logo is the commercial HP) and the different grips.]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tim ([[Lawrence Kao]]), a Woodbury guard, is seen using a Walther P38 with a makeshift suppressor in "Walk with Me" (S3E03).]]
[[File:TWSS3E06 72.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tim ([[Lawrence Kao]]) holds the Walther when he's ambushed by Michonne ([[Danai Gurira]]) in "Hounded" (S3E06).]]

==Walther P99==
In "Hounded" (S3E06), a [[Walther P99]] is seen carried by Gargulio. Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) is later seen with the handgun in the episode. Maggie is seen firing a Walther P99 in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E06_05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Walther is seen on the ground in "Hounded" (S3E06). This appears to be an airsoft replica.]]
[[File:TWDS3E06_03.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Hounded" (S3E06), Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) is later seen with the handgun.]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_39.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), Maggie is seen with a Walther P99.]]

=Rifles=
==Accuracy International Arctic Warfare (Airsoft Replica)==
What appears to be an [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare]] rifle is carried by a Woodbury guard on the wall in "Home" (S3E10). The rifle is actually an airsoft replica based on the bright silver ejection port, bull barrel with no muzzle brake and lack of a finger cut-out in the magazine well.
[[File:Accuracy International airsoft.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Accuracy International Arctic Warfare, airsoft replica]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What appears to be an [[Accuracy International L96A1]] rifle is carried by a Woodbury guard on the wall in "Home" (S3E10). ]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
In "I Ain't a Judas" (S3E11), Carl is seen taking up the [[Remington 700 BDL]] last seen in Season 2. In "Clear" (S3E12), Rick is seen holding the Remington he gave to Morgan ([[Lennie James]]) in [[The Walking Dead - Season 1|Season 1]]'s "Days Gone Bye" (S1E01).
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester]]
[[File:TWDS3E11 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "I Ain't a Judas" (S3E11), Carl is seen taking up the [[Remington 700 BDL]] last seen in Season 2.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Clear" (S3E12), Rick is seen holding the Remington he gave to Morgan ([[Lennie James]]) in [[The Walking Dead - Season 1|Season 1]]'s "Days Gone Bye" (S1E01).]]

==Remington 700 VLS==
The [[Remington 700 VLS]] rifle with a scope continues to be one of the weapons carried by Grimes. This appears to be the rifle that was carried by Dale in the previous seasons. Carol also is seen with the rifle in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).
[[Image:Rem700VLS.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington Model 700 Varmint with Laminated Stock and scope - .308 Winchester]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) has the rifle slung over his shoulder in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_80.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick fires the rifle from a guard tower in "Seed" (S3E01).]]

== Sporterized Springfield M1903 ==
A [[M1903 Springfield#Sporterized M1903 Springfield|Sporterized Springfield 1903]] appears to be the rifle held by Maggie in "I Ain't a Judas" (S3E11).
[[File:Sporter Model1903 Springfield.jpg|thumb|450px|none| Sporterized M1903 Springfield]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_12.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A [[M1903 Springfield#Sporterized M1903 Springfield|Sporterized Springfield 1903]] appears to be the rifle held by Maggie in "I Ain't a Judas" (S3E11).]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0203.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Production image of Maggie with the rifle.]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0921 0286.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Maggie (center) holds the rifle in this production image.]]

==Steyr SSG 69==
Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) is seen firing a [[Steyr SSG]] fitted with an improvised suppressor in "Prey" (S3E14). He is shown not to be very accurate with the rifle, and fires it left-handed (which makes him awkwardly cycle the bolt).
[[File:SteyrSSG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) holds the rifle in "Prey" (S3E14).]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) takes aim with the suppressed rifle in "Prey" (S3E14).]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The rifle's bolt action can be seen in "Prey" (S3E14).]]

==Winchester Model 70==
In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), Shupert Bowman ([[Travis Love]]), one of the Woodbury guards, is armed with a [[Winchester Model 70]] bolt-action rifle.
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), Shupert Bowman ([[Travis Love]]) is armed with a [[Winchester Model 70]] bolt-action rifle.]]

=Assault Rifles=
==M4A1==
[[M4A1]] rifles, being rare in previous seasons, are now more common and being seen used by several of the survivors in Season 3. Since Rick's group didn't have these rifles at the end of Season 2, it is likely they acquired them in the interim between Season 2's end and the beginning of Season 3, a gap of several months. Hershel ([[Scott Wilson]]) can be seen using one in "Seed" (S3E01). An M4A1 is also found among the weapons in the prison in "Seed" (S3E01) and is briefly handled by T-Dog. In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), M4A1's are carried by the Woodbury guards as well as Georgia Army National Guard soldiers, Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) also fires one fitted with a makeshift suppressor. Other M4A1s seen in the series so far include at least one with an M203 grenade launcher attached, one fitted with a makeshift suppressor in use by the Woodbury guards, and flattop M4s used by the National Guard survivors. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) is seen using the M4A1 in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08) and both him and Maggie are seen firing it in "The Suicide King" (S3E09). Michonne ([[Danai Gurira]]) uses the rifle in "Home" (S3E10). Hershel is seen wielding an M4 in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hershel Green ([[Scott Wilson]]) fires the M4A1 in "Seed" (S3E01). Note the Aimpoint on his rifle is mounted backwards.]]
[[File:TWDS3E01 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At the bottom, an M4A1 is found in the prison in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen using an M4A1 fitted with a makeshift suppressor.]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), a Georgia Army National Guard soldier is armed with an M4A1 fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick is armed with the M4A1 in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E09 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires the M4A1 in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]
[[File:TWDS3E15 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) uses the scoped M4A1 in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).]]

==Colt Law Enforcement Carbine==
A [[Colt Law Enforcement Carbine]], taken from a Georgia Army National Guard soldier, is used by The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) in "Walk with Me" (S3E03). The carbine has had the carry handle removed, and it lacked a rear sight. Despite this, The Governor was able to hit a fleeing soldier in the back from long range.
[[File:ColtLawEnforcementCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) takes aim with a Law Enforcement Carbine taken off a dead Guardsmen.]]

==Mk. 18 Mod 0==
One of the Woodbury guards guarding the wall is armed with what appears to be a [[Mk. 18 Mod 0]]. The rifle is notably seen held by a Woodbury guard in "The Suicide King" (S3E09). Merle appears to hold a similar rifle in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).
[[File:Mk18.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Mk. 18 Mod 0 with LMT rear sight, Crane stock, and RIS foregrip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E09 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Woodbury guards guarding the wall is armed with what appears to be a [[Mk. 18 Mod 0]]. The rifle is notably seen in "The Suicide King" (S3E09). The sight appears to be mounted backwards. ]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merle appears to hold a similar rifle in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).]]

==AKM==
Several Woodbury Guards can be seen using [[AKM]]s in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Woodbury guard can be seen using an [[AKM]] at the end of "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]

==AKMS==
Carol Peletier ([[Melissa McBride]]) is seen firing an [[AKMS]]-type rifle from a prison watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01). The rifle appears to be fitted with rails at the top as well as a tactical handguard. Like the M4 above, this rifle was not among their weapons in the previous season, thus was most likely found in between Seasons 2 and 3, as the group was on the move for several months scavenging. In "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07), Oscar loads the AKMS along with several other weapons into a car trunk and later Daryl ([[Norman Reedus]]) can be seen carrying it. Daryl is seen using the AKMS in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). When he is captured, it is confiscated along with his crossbow. When he is rescued in "The Suicide King" (S3E09), the rifle is not recovered. In "Prey" (S3E14), Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) is seen carrying this weapon while guarding the Woodbury wall with Tyreese. Allen ([[Daniel Thomas Ray]]) holds the rifle in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).
[[File:AK47RIS.jpg|thumb|550px|none|AK47 with underfolding stock and RIS. The weapon pictured here is from the inventory of The Specialists, Ltd.]]
[[Image:TWDS3E01 82.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carol Peletier ([[Melissa McBride]]) fires the rifle from a watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E07 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the right, the [[AKMS]] is seen here carried by Daryl in "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 30.jpg||thumb|none|600px|Daryl ([[Norman Reedus]]) is seen using the AKMS in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 08.jpg||thumb|none|600px|In "Prey" (S3E14), Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) is seen on the right carrying this weapon while guarding the Woodbury wall with Tyreese.]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 11.jpg||thumb|none|600px|In "Prey" (S3E14), Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) holds the rifle.]]
[[File:TWDS3E15 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, Allen ([[Daniel Thomas Ray]]) holds the rifle in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).]]

==Type 56==
Shupert Bowman ([[Travis Love]]) uses a [[Type 56]] during the raid on Woodbury in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). He is later seen using the rifle in "The Suicide King" (S3E09) and "Home" (S3E10). Several other Woodbury guards in the same episode also use them.
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Norinco Type 56 ]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shupert Bowman ([[Travis Love]]) with the rifle in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shupert Bowman ([[Travis Love]]) fires the Type 56 rifle in "Home" (S3E10). Note the full-circle "hooded" front sight.]]
[[File:TWDS3E15 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Woodbury soldier holds the rifle in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).]]

==FN FAL==
An [[FN FAL]] fitted with an ELCAN sight appears to be fired by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) in "Home" (S3E10).
[[File:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|550px|]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[FN FAL]] fitted with an ELCAN sight appears to be fired by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martinez fires the FN FAL in "Home" (S3E10).]]

==SKS==
At the end of "Ain't a Judas" (S3E11), a Woodbury Guard can be seen holding a [[SKS]] fitted with a scope and an ATI Fiberforce "Dragunov" stock.
[[File:SKS ATI Fiberforce Dragunov stock.jpg|none|550px|thumb|SKS with flash hider and ATI Fiberforce "Dragunov" stock - 7.62x39mm. ]]
[[File:TWDS3E11 21.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At the end of "Ain't a Judas" (S3E11), a Woodbury Guard can be seen holding a [[SKS]] fitted with a scope and an ATI Fiberforce "Dragunov" stock.]]

==Steyr AUG A1==
The Governor opens fire with a [[Steyr AUG]] A1 in "Home" (S3E01). Despite his right eye being useless, he still fires right-handed instead of left. The weapon is likely meant to be a full-auto conversion of an AUG SA, a semi-automatic variant of the A1 which was imported to the US for civilian use before being banned in 1989. Fully-automatic AUGs are extremely rare in the United States, as they are not military issue and are not used by any law enforcement entities apart from US Customs and Immigration Enforcement. The civilian variant of the AUG is the AUG A3 SA which has a newer design than the A1.
[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG - Austrian Army Version - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor opens fire with a [[Steyr AUG]] in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 31.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing the AUG in "Home" (S3E10). As is typical of action movies, the Governor fires far more rounds than the AUG could realistically hold, and is not shown reloading.]]

==M14==
Allen ([[Daniel Thomas May]]) can be seen carrying what appears to be an [[M14]] in "Prey" (S3E14). A Woodbury Militia member can be seen carrying the same rifle at the episode's beginning.
[[Image:SFA M1A.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A Civilian Variant of the M14 -.308 Winchester]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Woodbury Militia member can be seen carrying an M14 at the beginning of "Prey" (S3E14).]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
A [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] is the main firearm carried by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]).
[[File:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E15 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) holds the MP5K in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Heckler & Koch MP5K can be seen on the left carried by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) in "Walk With Me" (S3E03).]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
A [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] can be seen carried by Woodbury guards.
[[File:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), a Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW is carried by a survivor guarding Woodbury.]]

==IMI Uzi==
An [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] is seen in the hands of both Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) and Maggie ([[Lauren Cohan]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] is seen in the hands of Maggie ([[Lauren Cohan]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 73.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] is seen in the hands of Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]

==IMI Micro Uzi==
In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), a Woodbury survivor named Haley (Alexa Nikolas) carries a suppressed [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]] when Rick and his group come to save Maggie and Glenn. After the guard dies, Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) picks up the weapon in the same episode. A survivor named Ben ([[Tyler Chase]]) also is seen with this weapon in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|Micro Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS3E08 51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), Haley (Alexa Nikolas) is seen with a suppressed [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]].]]
[[File:TWDS3E15 11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ben ([[Tyler Chase]]) holds the micro Uzi in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).]]

==Beretta CX4 Storm==
In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), a Woodbury guard can be seen using a [[Beretta CX4 Storm]]. The rifle is also seen in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:CX4_Storm_.45ACP_20rd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Beretta CX4 Storm]]]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 76.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), a Woodbury guard can be seen using a [[ Beretta CX4 Storm]].]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, a [[ Beretta CX4 Storm]] is carried by a Woodbury guard on the wall in "Home" (S3E10). ]]

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 500 (KNOXX SpecOps NRS stock)==
The [[Mossberg 500]] fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible KNOXX SpecOps NRS stock with pistol grip that used to be carried by Shane in Season 2 appears again in Season 3 as Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) is seen carrying it in "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07). In the same episode, Oscar ([[Vincent Ward]]) is shown loading it along with several other weapons into a car. He later uses it in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[File:TWDS3E07 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Mossberg 500]] carried by Shane in previous seasons is seen here slung behind Rick's back in "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oscar ([[Vincent Ward]]) holds the Mossberg in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]

== Remington 870 Police Magnum ==
A [[Remington 870 Shotgun#Remington 870|Remington 870 Police Magnum]] is seen used by Shupert ([[Travis Love]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). In the same episode, Rick sees a vision of Shane ([[Jon Bernthal]]) with a Remington. A Remington with black furniture is seen in the hands of Beth Greene in "Home" (S3E10) and at the end of "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum.]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Remington 870 Shotgun#Remington 870|Remington 870 Police Magnum]] is seen used by Shupert ([[Travis Love]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). ]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick sees a vision of Shane ([[Jon Bernthal]]) with a Remington in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). ]]
[[File:TWDS3E09 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Woodbury guards is seen with the Remington 870 in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]
[[FIle:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_37.jpg|thumb|none|600px| A Remington with black furniture is seen in the hands of Beth Greene in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0921 0286.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image from "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11) shows Beth Greene (middle) holding the Remington 870 with black furniture.]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the right, Beth holds the shotgun in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).]]

==Remington 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun makes a return appearance in Season 3 as the Governor is seen taking it out of the bag of guns in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).
[[File:REM870exp combo.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Combo - 12 Gauge]]
[[File:TWDS3E09_19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun makes a return appearance in Season 3 as the Governor is seen taking it out of the bag of guns in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]

== 12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun ==
In "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07), Rick and the rest of the survivors confront a crazed hermit wielding a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]. For some reason, the sound effect of a pump action shotgun is heard when he aims it at Rick, despite this firearm not having such an action.
[[Image:StevesSBS1960s.jpg|thumb|none|560px|1960s-era Commercial Stevens hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TWDS3E07_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07), Rick and the rest of the survivors confront a crazed hermit wielding a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]].]]

==Ithaca 37==
An [[Ithaca 37]] is seen briefly held by a Woodbury guard who beats up Merle in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).
[[File:IthacaModel37.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ithaca 37 - 12 Gauge]]
[[File:TWDS3E15 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[Ithaca 37]] is seen briefly held by a Woodbury guard who beats up Merle in "This Sorrowful Life" (S3E15).]]

=Machine Guns=
==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2HB]] machine gun can be seen mounted on a Humvee that the Governor brings back to Woodbury in "Walk With Me" (S3E03). It appears to be a mockup identical to the one was fitted on the fake M1 Abrams tank in [[The Walking Dead - Season 1|Season 1]]. It is later seen again in "Prey" (S3E14) being removed from storage and mounted on the Humvee to be used as a mock technical by the Woodbury Army.
[[File:BrowningM2HB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2HB - .50 BMG]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 27.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M2 is seen on the left next to the Governor in "Walk With Me" (S3E03). This machine gun appears to be a mockup, judging from the crude mount and no ammo feed present.]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Prey" (S3E14), the Browning M2 is seen being removed from storage and mounted on the Humvee to be used as a mock technical by the Woodbury Army. This appears to be an authentic M2 and not the mockup seen in earlier episodes.]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Prey" (S3E14), the Browning M2 is mounted on the Humvee. ]]

==Browning M1919==
A [[Browning M1919]] machine gun can be seen mounted on the wall at Woodbury in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11). This machine gun is seen manned by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) when a car pulls up to the wall later in the episode.
[[File:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1919A4 on an M2 tripod - .30-06 Springfield]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Browning M1919]] machine gun can be seen mounted on the wall at Woodbury in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning is manned by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) when a car pulls up to the wall in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).]]

=Other Weapons=
==Horton Scout HD 125 Crossbow==
A Horton Scout HD 125 Crossbow is used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) as his weapon of choice. Shupert is seen holding it in the mid season finale "Made to Suffer" (S3E08) after Daryl is captured in Woodbury.
[[Image:P3942065p275w.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Horton Scout HD 125]]
[[Image:Norman-reedus-daryl-walking-dead-sick-season-3-amc.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Production image of Daryl with his crossbow inside the Prison]]
[[File:TWDS3E05 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl with the crossbow at the ready in "Say the Word" (S3E05).]]

==Stryker Strykezone 380 Crossbow==
Daryl switches his Horton Scout HD 125 for the Strykezone 380, which was picked up by Michonne in "Clear" (S3E12) from Morgan's weapons stockpile. He is seen using it in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).
[[Image:S7 419701 999 04.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Stryker Strykezone 380]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weapons as seen in "Clear" (S3E12). The Strykezone Crossbow is seen in the upper left.]]
[[File:TWDS3E13_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl with his new crossbow in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).]]

==M203==
In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), a Georgia Army National Guard soldier is armed with an M4A1 affixed with a [[M203]] grenade launcher when he is shot by ambushers from Woodbury.
[[File:CM4-M203.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M4A1 - 5.56mm fitted with an M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), a Georgia Army National Guard soldier is shot by ambushers from Woodbury; M4A1 fitted with an M203 grenade launcher in hand.]]

=Weapons Cache and Arsenals=
==Rick's Bag of Guns==
Rick's bag of guns is seen once again in "The Suicide King" (S3E09) as the Governor inspects the guns still left in it.
[[File:TWDS3E09_19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun makes a return appearance in Season 3 as the Governor is seen taking it out of the bag of guns in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]

==Morgan's Arsenal==
In "Clear" (S3E12), Rick, Carl, and Michonne discover the massive amount of arms gathered by Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) in his hideout.
[[File:TWDS3E12_05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weapons as seen in "Clear" (S3E12). A box of MK II hand grenades are seen at the bottom. Note the[[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]] also in the box.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the green crate is an M16A2, and two MP5K's. Several AK-pattern rifles are seen in the back, along with what appears to a Strykezone 380 crossbow on the left.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A crate of M4-type rifles. The M4-style rifle with camo wrapped around the fore arm and stock appears to be the same rifle carried by a Woodbury guard on the wall in "Home".]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, a Remington 700, and an SKS is seen among the rifles.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wide shot as the rifles are seen.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The crate of M4-type rifles are seen on the right.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Some handguns are seen in the bottom left.]]

==Prison Weapons Cache==
In "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13), the weapons taken from Morgan's arsenal are laid out on a table.
[[File:TWDS3E13_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several M4's and shotguns are seen on the table in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).]]
[[File:TWDS3E13_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|More shotguns on the right in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).]]

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Talk:Seven Psychopaths

2013-03-27T02:26:23Z

Seekerdude: movie posters of seven psychopaths

i saw Billy Burke (Sam Rockwell)holding an orange Orion Flare Gun in the movie posters in dublin ireland however i was un able to get this image but it was the flare pistol in question
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 22:26, 26 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Main Page

2013-03-25T16:48:45Z

Seekerdude: /* Dynamic Article List */

''See [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_1]] and [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_2]] for older discussions''

== Can anyone identify this revolver? ==
[[File:HOM Johnson Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
--[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] ([[User talk:Crackshot|talk]]) 11:05, 14 February 2013 (EST)
::Doing some digging I'm pretty sure it's an M1917 revolver with pearl grips. Anyone else think so? --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] ([[User talk:Crackshot|talk]]) 12:02, 14 February 2013 (EST)

== New AD space ==

Just letting you know that there are a few problems I've noticed with the new ad space in the upper right --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 19:52, 25 January 2013 (EST):

1. When looking at differences in revisions, the edits seen on the right are blocked by the new ad space.

2. In pages that don't have infoboxes, the ad space pushes down the poster picture, making it appear that the ad is part of the movie page. This is noticeable in actor pages and non-infobox pages.

: Thanks for informing. I did notice something odd on pages I created (both with and without infoboxes) but I could not figure out what. Should we do something or can will this be solved automatically? Cheers, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 08:07, 26 January 2013 (EST)

:: This is being tested, so if there are any other problems, please let us know. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 08:17, 26 January 2013 (EST)

Here are some examples of what happens with the non-infobox pages.

[[File:IMFDB ad 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

[[File:IMFDB ad 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== Dynamic Article List ==

I've temporarily disabled dynamic article list while trying to track down a cpu spike. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 19:45, 27 January 2013 (EST)

do you know when or if it is coming back--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 12:48, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

== Weird image links ==

I know it's not a biggie for some people, but I like to enlarge some images and I found these a week or so ago:
*http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:MP5KA1.jpg
*http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Twotone_mp.jpg
They redirect to the Main Page inexplicably. There was a third one I found but I can't remember which one it was now. I'm not sure what's up with them but I thought I'd let you guys know. Thanks in advance - --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 10:23, 29 January 2013 (EST)

:The third was probably the claymore mine image, which I re-uploaded and it started working again. Might work with those two as well, I'll give it a try tomorrow if nobody else does it before me. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:32, 29 January 2013 (EST)

[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg This] image is broken too. It appears on the image page, but when you open it as full size it redirects to the main page. I can't find that MP5KA1 image I uploaded again, so if it can't be fixed will have to settle for uploading the 400px thumbnail version which the server still has. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:31, 29 January 2013 (EST)

Oh, yeah, this was the third one lol: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:P5Wood.jpg Thanks for getting back to me so fast :D --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 15:04, 30 January 2013 (EST)

== Trivia Page? ==

I wondered if there was a Trivia Page on IMFDB, or if there should be one? I'd like to know things like: "''Most Common Firearm''" "''Youngest Actor/Actress To Hold A Firearm''" "''Most Firearms Used By An Actor/Actress''" "''Most Firearms Used In A Film''". Obviously, the answers would be according to IMFDB's current pages. [[User:Thomas|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas|talk]]) 15:32, 31 January 2013 (EST)
:That kind of thing would be bit difficult to compile, and I don't know how many people would go out of their way to at a dedicated trivia page. The trivia section on the front page fulfills a similar purpose, in much more visible place. If you have any trivia to suggest, however, please let us know. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:18, 31 January 2013 (EST)

== Position of infobox on page ==

It's probably too simple for words, but I just cannot get my infoboxes positioned on the right side of the page. I have only started to use infoboxes for my last two movie pages ([[Preacher, The|The Preacher]] & [[Heineken Kidnapping, The|The Heineken Kidnapping]]) and even though I seem to be using the correct coding the infoboxes keep hanging somewhat in the middle of the page. Any suggestions for an infobox-rookie? Thanks in advance, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 17:18, 27 February 2013 (EST)
:It looks okay to me. Is there an ad pushing it towards the middle? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:30, 27 February 2013 (EST)
::Yes, in both cases there are indeed local ads pushing the infobox towards the middle. Let me know if there's something I can do about that. Thanks, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 02:36, 28 February 2013 (EST)

== New Game FPS TACTICAL INTERVECTION ==

weapons in trailer : P2000, G36CV, P90 and unknow sniper

Realease data 03.28.2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lUKf_JROURo

== Pistols used in The Duel ==

Hi, I just registered on imfdb to find information on the pistols used in [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1282041/ Anton Chekhov's The Duel]. The setting is supposed to be in 1890s Russia.

A few screen caps are online: [http://www.flix66.com/2011/05/28/movie-review-anton-chekhovs-the-duel-blu-ray/ the 2nd on this page], [http://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2yxtrVFqQ1ro6ywf.png tumblr], [http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/688/theduelpistol1.jpg/ imageshack 1], and [http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/theduelpistol2.jpg/ imageshack 2]. --[[User:JustanID|JustanID]] ([[User talk:JustanID|talk]]) 19:15, 7 March 2013 (EST)

:It looks like a large caliber [[Flintlock Pistol]]. I don't recognize it as one used in other films but you can go through the films on that page to find a specific model. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 21:10, 7 March 2013 (EST)

::Thanks for the response, knowing it's large caliber is helpful. I looked through the pictures on [[Flintlock Pistol]], but [http://classic.gunauction.com/buy/11728452/ this] (different grip) is the closest I could find via GIS. --[[User:JustanID|JustanID]] ([[User talk:JustanID|talk]]) 23:22, 7 March 2013 (EST)

:::I enlarged the best of those photos. You should also keep in mind the film was shot in Croatia, so it would be good to start with your search limited to what's available in Eastern Europe. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 02:01, 8 March 2013 (EST)
[[File:ACTD-Flintlock.jpg]]

== Glock Experts? ==

Do we have any Glock experts in the house?? I am in the processes of doing seasons 3 & 4 of [[In Plain Sight]] and there are a LOT of Glocks used and there is a lot of confusion over whether they are 9mm (more common) or .40 cal (which is what the US Marshals use in real life). --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 21:32, 7 March 2013 (EST)

== IMDB Links (again) ==

Man, it's been a long time since I've posted here! Awesome to see over the years that this fabulous site is still going strong.

Anyway, to the point, which was previously brought up last year, (now in archive page 2), and generally deemed to be a good idea, namely to have IMDB links on all of the actor/movie/game pages. And, I guess, Wikipedia links on every page.

I for one would find it an essential feature, my movie watching experience invariably includes ''the other Wiki'', here and IMDB, although I usually come here first. :-) Without fail, something on one of your pages inspires me to follow up on IMDB or Wikipedia and I invariably spend several futile seconds looking for the links that aren't there. A fairly nasty oversized link to Amazon is all there is.

I'm afraid I'm no Wiki expert but isn't there a quick and easy way to generate IMDB links using Wiki code? Said other Wiki has an "IMDB" tag specifically for that effect, and code for linking to other Wikias, much as they do for linking back to "the master". Whether this can be done en masse or whether it would at best just be a cut/paste exercise I don't know, but if nothing else the template for new pages could be updated.

If all else fails, and if the code matched it might also be relatively straightforward to just lift the links directly from Wikipedia itself, saving time and effort.

Anyway, it's just a thought, given the frequency of references to Wiki and IMDB in the body of the articles here, it seems kinda crazy not to have an "External Links" section at the bottom of each page with the two links, easy to find and consistent. [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] ([[User talk:DamageW|talk]])

: I quite agree and actually I was going to post the same question on of these days. I take the freedom to think on IMFDB we should focus on gun-relevant matters and for details about actors/movie in general, refer to the experts of IMDB. We could thus possibly do away with story lines at the top (which most people ignore anyway) and personal details on the actor pages. Having clear links to IMDB movie/actor pages (if this has not been discussed earlier...) sounds like a great idea to me, further improving page quality on IMFDB and allowing contributors more time to focus on guns. Am interested to see what you guys think, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 04:01, 12 March 2013 (EDT)

:: See [http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1989 here]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:36, 12 March 2013 (EDT)

::: PeeWee's suggestions are excellent. And with the utmost respect to MoviePropMaster, I'm not entirely sure that's a particularly balanced argument. Boycotting a site just because it's commercial or has adverts seems a bit, well, spiteful. It's a universally recognised resource, just like Wikipedia, who have no problem linking to IMDB, despite also receiving no sponsorship.

::: The entire concept of Wikias is about linking together relevant information from any and all sources, in the most comprehensive and accessible way possible. Many Wikias, both official and homegrown, have ads as well - including this one. Does this mean that other people shouldn't link to this site as a result? I dislike ads as much as the next man but if I refused to support sites that used them I'd never go anywhere.

::: And just because I don't find a link to IMDB or Wiki isn't going to stop me from going there. Restrict functionality out of some antipathy towards IMDB, however, and you're just as likely to put people off coming here in the first place. It's a slippery slope, and akin to much of the bad press Wikipedia editors get for their often exclusionary and elitist behaviour. It costs the other Wiki a lot of credibility despite not being representative of the whole site, and so I still continue to support it as best I can.

::: And while I admit that IMFDB is not obliged to help IMDB earn revenue, that doesn't mean it can't use them as a resource for its own benefit. They make enough money either way, and really, do we care that much about other companies' profits? It's not like IMFDB is in competition with them.

::: Like MPM himself says, it's a valuable resource, just like Wikipedia, and it'd be a shame to overlook either of them. [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] ([[User talk:DamageW|talk]]) 06:11, 12 March 2013 (EDT)

:::: There is a difference between linking to the Wikipedia or IMDB article in order to prove something or because they have something relevant to say, and arbitrarily whacking a pair of links at the bottom of every single page. Whether it is via the use of a template or putting in raw links, it will take a hell of a lot of effort and time to put Wiki and IMDB links on every actor, television, film and video game page (particularly due to the fact that with IMDB links I don't think you can do it automatically, and have to actually go to the page and copy a numerical address), and without any incentive or financial reward for this site I really don't think it is worth it. That is just my opinion though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:56, 12 March 2013 (EDT)

After discussing with [[User:Bunni|Bunni]] (the site manager for those who don't know) a decision has been made. We are NOT going to link to IMDB on all pages by default. We have no issue with citing them and linking to them as a source, but we are NOT going to put links on every page just for the sake of information. There are a number of reasons for this but bottom line is that this is the decision. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ''IMFDB Chief of Operations'' ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 14:04, 12 March 2013 (EDT)

== Please help ID this shotgun ==

I'm not sure what this shotgun is. It's been listed as a replica of Remington 870 Tactical, but the ejection port is different. This shotgun looks similar to ones seen in ''[[E.T.]]'' and ''[[The Devil's Own]]''. Please help. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:58, 13 March 2013 (EDT)
[[File:RepShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:Looks like a variant or relative of the [[Remington Model 31]]:[[File:RemingtonModel31.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:23, 13 March 2013 (EDT)
::Why does the ejection port remind me of a Winchester shotgun? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 16:25, 13 March 2013 (EDT)
:::It isn't the ejection port itself, but the slope at the rear of the bolt carrier that looks like a Winchester 1200. However, the bolt carrier of the Winchester has no visible extractor or that pin towards the rear, both of which match the Rem Mod 31. For some reason this bolt appears to have had some material machined away at the rear for some unknown reason. Possibly it is a clone made by a different manufacturer, it is a different variant or it is perhaps a deactivated shotgun (it is only broadly described as a "replica" and this is part of the process for this particular gun. Either way, I'm fairly sure the original gun is a Model 31 or derivative of some sort based on the shape of the trigger guard and bolt release, the scalloped part of the receiver at the front of the bottom edge, and the end of the magazine tube. The front position is wrong, but it looks odd to me as it is different to the rear one, so don't know what is going on with that. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:04, 13 March 2013 (EDT)
::::I think I found it, looks like a replica manufactured by MGC:[[File:MGC Remington Model 31.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]Note the front pin position matches, it has the action bar on the right side, the longer front sight matches and the bolt is sloped at the back. From Googling around it also looks like they made versions of it with synthetic furniture folding stocks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:18, 14 March 2013 (EDT)

== German movie 'Schutzengel' ==

I am in the process of screencapping the latest action vehicle for German actor [[Til Schweiger]], to the international audience better known as the MG42-toting Hugo Stiglitz from [[Inglourious Basterds (2009)| Inglourious Basterds]]. The movie came out in 2012 and is called ‘Schutzengel’ which is German for ‘Guardian Angel’. It appears on IMDB as [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2199581/?ref_=sr_1 ‘Schutzengel’] with no reference to foreign titles so the movie probably has not been marketed outside Germany. One notice in the 'Did You Know?' section says that this year the movie will be 'remade' (?) as 'The Guardians' but I could not find further details. I think the movie will make a valuable contribution to IMFDB but before I allocate more time to this project, I have two questions.

(1) Is this movie eligible to appear on IMFDB?

(2) If so, what would be the most appropriate title? ‘Schutzengel’, ‘Guardian Angel (2012)’ or ‘Guardian Angel (Schutzengel)’?

Thanks for your suggestions, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 16:38, 17 March 2013 (EDT)

:IMDB says it's been distributed in Germany, Russia and Afghanistan (?) so it qualifies as distributed. I believe that "Guardian Angel (Schutzengel)" is correct for a title, but I'd accept any other admin weighing in on that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:53, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
::Thanks for your comments, unless I get editor feedback to the contrary in the coming days I will go ahead with ´Guardian Angel (Schutzengel)'. I forgot to mention that the movie has English subtitles so it can be enjoyed by international audiences too. By the way, distribution to Afghanistan is easily explained by the facts that the movie, whose main characters are ex-special forces members, is sponsored by the German MoD. As part of the promotional activities, a special pre-release was done to German forces stationed at a base in Mazar-i-Sharif, a city in the north of Afghanistan. [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 04:15, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

== Dynamic Article List 3/20/13 ==

Temporarily disabled Dynamic Article List as it was causing Main Page load times in excess of 30 seconds. I believe it is a temporary issue. I will re-enable it in a few hours. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]])
:Latest updates are back but they've been moved off the main page. A link has been added to the sidebar. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 22:59, 23 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Heckler & Koch UMP

2013-01-29T00:44:15Z

Seekerdude: /* Why doesn't the UMP have more military usage? */

== Additional Images ==
[[Image:Mod._UMP-1-.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP with the stock removed and fitted with a C-More red dot sight - .45 ACP as used in the film ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]''.]]
[[Image:HKUMP45.JPG|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP with RIS foregrip]]

==UMP Magazines==
Don't know why, but all the magazines I have access to don't have any 'window' in them. Replacement mags have them, so I will try to get some new mags for the guns and rephotograph them with the newer magazines. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

== UMP45 in movies ==

I'm seeing all the time that most movie pages ID UMP's with straight magazines as "UMP45", even though those could be also UMP40's. I would like an answer from movie armourers, which blank caliber is more common: .40S&W or .45 AUTO ? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:40, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

== Why doesn't the UMP have more military usage? ==

I've never heard of any significant flaws, yet this apparently lightweight, accessory rail-fitted, and more ammunition diverse submachine gun seems to have be mainly present in movies and video games rather than actual military use. It is meant to be a successor to the MP5, so why did it not get the same global usage, despite the MP5's immense popularity?

What makes the MP5 so vastly superior? Am i missing something? [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 09:30, 28 January 2013 (EST)

:I think part of it is that it wasn't so much the successor to the MP5, but rather a lower cost alternative. The MP5 is already very established, and as H&K still make it along with replacement parts and accessories, there is not much incentive for a military force to switch from a proven weapon system to a new one. The MP5 is also arguably a better weapon, as the delayed blowback action combined with a slightly longer barrel means it has a greater muzzle velocity along with being more accurate. Furthermore, the MP5 also feels better built and has a nicer feel to it (in my opinion). Most militaries will only use a 9x19mm SMG so as to give it better ammo commonality with side-arms along with other countries. The UMP has a slower cyclic rate than the MP5 due to the fact that it was primarily designed to fire higher power ammunition, so if you are using a 9x19mm model the rate of fire is perhaps slower than necessary. There isn't really that much of a practical difference between the two weapons performance, I think it is just down to the fact that the MP5 has a good reputation and is a well proven weapon. I would say though that I think the UMP is more suited to law enforcement rather than military usage, due to its lower cost, simplicity and ability to fire larger caliber ammunition which is favoured by some law enforcement groups. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:23, 28 January 2013 (EST)

::I think it's also the substantial die-off in the market for subguns, especially after the North Hollywood shootout in '97 showed that even SWAT might end up facing bad guys with body armour. Most customers who still wanted 9mm subguns kept their MP5s, the rest tossed them and went for carbine rifles or P90s. Plus I recall the HKsucks guy said a local PD returned all theirs because the stocks break easily. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 12:56, 28 January 2013 (EST)

it was created as a budget alternative to the mp5 ie the cost of one mp5 would be the same as 2 UMPs plus try to find a military special forces on this planet that does not use the mp5 h&k made a weapon for law enforcement they saw a gap in the market and went for it also if you want to deal with some with body armour mp7 bullet is designed from the get go to make a laugh of nato body armour --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 19:44, 28 January 2013 (EST)

Talk:Darkest of Days

2012-11-13T23:15:29Z

Seekerdude: /* time line contamination */ new section

==Glitches==
While I was playing this game...i noticed that if you hold either the fire button or aim button and pause the game then let go of either button then unpause, you'll stay in that stance (firing or aiming) until you press the aim or fire button again.[[User: SeanWolf]]

==Sniper Rifle==
I ask someone about sniper rifles in the civil war and he said they didn't attached them to rifles until later on so i am not sure about this one in particular

== time line contamination ==

it would make sence to use a p08 luger for the world war 2 missions the weapon was out of frontline service by 1943 ammo was plentiful no one would ask too many arkward questions where it came from and if you had to dump it time would go the way it should have and at that stage of the war germany was using anything it could lay hand on unlike the future sniper rifle that had a built in self destruct built in--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 18:15, 13 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:World War Z (2013)

2012-11-12T21:39:48Z

Seekerdude: /* kalashnikov variant V ar15 variant */

==== Trailer Screenshots ====
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[[File:WWZBoltRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== Discussion ==
Are those Israeli troops in a couple of screenshots? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:19, 9 November 2012 (EST)
:Judging from the equipment, they certainly looks like IDF soldiers. I guess they are using Minimi to stand in for the Negev.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] ([[User talk:Wildcards|talk]]) 18:28, 9 November 2012 (EST)
::They are Israeli troops. In the book Israel is mentioned as being one of the "success stories" of the Zombie pandemic in their efforts to curtail the spread of the "disease". --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:22, 9 November 2012 (EST)
:::Cuba is, too. Following the war, IIRC, they emerge as the world's largest economic superpower. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)
:::Lets not forget India; where a general named Raj-Singh was defending a evac point using 18th-Century infantry tactics. He refused to fall back even when him and his men were out of ammo, one of his men had to knock him out and drag into a helicopter in order to get him to New Gandhi Park evac.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 21:14, 9 November 2012 (EST)
::::Then there's the battle of Yonkers where the military was making a show of their modern advanced technology and tactics for the media and it back fired on them [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:53, 9 November 2012 (EST)
::::Then there is the old Japanese gardener who teams with a computer nerd to fight there way out of an overrun Tokyo(?) using a Kantana from the gardener's days in the IJA. Oh and did I mention that the gardener was blinded by the atomic bombs? [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 21:56, 9 November 2012 (EST
:::::Too bad none of those stories will make their way into this movie...I'm guessing that the Philadelphia by way of Glasgow scenes will be the equivalent of the Battle of Yonkers, but other than that it will probably be Brad Pitt as the hero who single-handedly brings survivors together to save the world. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 22:17, 9 November 2012 (EST)
:::::You never know Markit. Also is anyone else going to add a story cause Im actually finding it kinda fun.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 22:28, 9 November 2012 (EST)

As an animal, the human race as a whole is pretty weak. We have no fur for warm, we have problems regulating heat, we have no claws or sharp teeth and we are not very fast and even the strongest of us are hardly as strong as say a bear or lion. We require tools to fight and hunt. Now a good healthy body is good but it is only part. That aside, the zombies, even rage zombies are only as strong as the body that is infected. and realistically a lot of us aren't in that good of shape even if some of us have military/paramilitary training. We're talking about us turning into near well mindless zombies but in this case, more like crazed idiots. So really, I highly doubt even a hundred random people on the streets running at full speed and piling on each other have enough strength to topple a bus like that in one go and climb over it. Even rampaging mobs over a soccer game don't pour into streets like they are the living blob. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:35, 9 November 2012 (EST)

The only thing I wish I could see in this is the semi-auto rifle the US military ends up using when they go on the counter-offensive against the Zs. In the book it's described as 5.56 in calibre with interchangeable barrels and wooden furniture and would never jam. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 23:45, 9 November 2012 (EST)

:Which shows how little Max Brooks knows about guns because ''any'' firearm will jam, no matter how durable and reliable it's touted as. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 00:00, 10 November 2012 (EST)
::Well I don't know if you've ever seen the abomination that is "Sons of Guns" but when *gag* Red Jacket *gag* designed the "ultimate zombie gun" Brooks chose a bullpup .22 with a 'printed' frame over an M-16 type weapon. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 00:24, 10 November 2012 (EST)

::So according to him a .22 is good enough to kill a zombie because all you need is head shots when before, he thought an AK like weapons is better, in fact, he encourages us to use melee weapons for up close and personal fights rather than longer ranged weapons like spears [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:48, 10 November 2012 (EST)

::: Its nice to know I'm not the person who thinks max brooks is stupid when it comes weapons and guns he said don't use guns cause oh they make noiise but use katana as a primary weapon because taking on like 12 zombies they're totally going line up to get fucking killed the truth is that guy acts as though he's a genius when it comes to weapon and guns and the sad thing is people believe him i swear any of the professional users here like u guys could make smarter books when it comes guns and weapons and when it comes to zomb also Max brooks said grenades wouldn't work because the fragmentation wouldn't damage the zombie/s brains not all grenade rely on fragmentation you Dumb AS5.--[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 02:46, 10 November 2012 (EST)

::::I think it's safe to say that Max Brooks is a mall ninja who thinks that AKs and katanas are the ultimate and superior zombie killing weapon. When in reality, the M16 rifle family is just as hard-hitting, accurate, and tough as any AK rifle, and both of them are good tools for any post-apocaylse scenario. The other thing he doesn't understand is that ANY gun (even AKs) can and will jam or malfunction, not just one brand of guns alone. Also, using Katanas or any other close-range 'weapon' in a zombie apocalypse is pretty much a death sentence because all these so-called 'genuine blades' are just cheap, machine-stamped crap metal that was manufactured for the sake of display, not combat. And besides, what's the point of tiring yourself out and getting killed in hand-to-hand combat with zombies when you could just hide in a very high place where the zombies can't get you, with a long range rifle and enough supplies, and pick them off one by one? Seriously folks, if the zombie apocalypse ever happens in real life, I'll be laughing my ass off when Max Brooks is one of the first 'know-it-alls' who gets eaten by the zombies first. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] ([[User talk:ThatoneguyJosh|talk]]) 05:57, 10 November 2012 (EST)

::::Yeah, precisely. Granted, an AK will jam ''a lot'' less than an M16 in dirty environments, but if well-maintained, an M16 will easily outgun it in terms of accuracy and range. Plus, .223 and 5.56 are likely to be more common than 7.62x39mm. But the AK is, by ''no'' means, a bad rifle and one I would definitely trust my life with if it came down to it. And the thing about katanas is that to effectively employ one requires specialized training. My choice of a bladed weapon would be a machete, or even a khukri, rather than a sword. It's fairly long and heavy enough to lop off limbs, but doesn't require training to become somewhat proficient with. Still, my second line of defense (first would be avoiding or circumventing as many walkers as I could) would be something like an AR-15 or Mini-14 due to their light weight and commonality of ammunition and spare parts. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:34, 10 November 2012 (EST)

::::::Jeebus help me but I actually put some thought into what I would use in a Z type situation and I prefer the 7.62 NATO round over the 5.56 mostly due to the range and power so the HK 417 or SCAR-H for me but...each to his own. Additonally, as they do in "The Walking Dead", edged weapons are preferable only in situations where there are a few Zs or when "stealth" is required as to conserve ammo. Personally though what is killing me in all this "zombie enthusiasm" is companies like Hornady are actually making Zombie specific ammo. I mean...come on!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 11:34, 10 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::The funny thing is that there is nothing different about those zombie ammo are no different to ordinary ammo. They are just painted green instead of red, but what really annoys me is EOtech wasting its money to develop a Biohazard red dot on their sights. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:57, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:::::::And I've put just as much thought into it as you have, Charon. A .223 or 5.56, and even a 9mm, will penetrate a human skull just as well as any .308 or 7.62 NATO at typical line-of-sight engagement range, so why would you want to carry the extra weight that comes along with the larger weapon and ammo? One can easily carry double the number of .223 than he can .308 and the weight saved on the lighter weapon can be translated to rations or water. With the weapons you chose, any range increase is going to be negligible due to barrel length and spare parts less than common (aren't consumers of Mk 16S and Mk 17S rifles ''still'' waiting for FN to start selling spare barrels and whatnot?). Besides, why would you even bother with any walkers out of your immediate engagement zone? Why not leave them be and save the ammo? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:18, 10 November 2012 (EST)

Personally, I would carry a machete of some sort as a last resort but most likely a short stabbing weapon. If I am hold up in a building with walls, I'd make a spear and it would be my daily routine to stab the heads of zombies. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:57, 10 November 2012 (EST)
: Exactly. Zombies(at least, the general interpretation) do not have generals or "high priority" targets, so you don't need to be sniping them at 500 yards. If they aren't in the immediate vicinity, better off conserving the ammo and ignoring them. My ideal weapon choices would be a scoped rifle(.223/5.56 for availability and weight) for hunting game and defending against other hostile and armed survivors if necessary, a sidearm(9mm, again, weight and availability) as a backup, and a machete, tomahawk, hatchet, or kukri which serves as both a last ditch/"stealth" weapon and an effective tool for bushcraft and outdoor use. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] ([[User talk:DKS01|talk]]) 08:32, 11 November 2012 (EST)

Oh, and I went ahead an organized some of these screencaps on the main page. The only one I couldn't ID was the one Brad Pitt is using in the final screencap, which doesn't show the receiver area. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 00:02, 10 November 2012 (EST)

There are some more shots in the trailer. I'll screencap them.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 00:05, 10 November 2012 (EST)

Added another shot of Pitt's rifle. Any ideas? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 00:18, 10 November 2012 (EST)
:Dunno but in the second cap is it just a blur or is there something attached to the muzzle? A makeshift suppressor of some sort? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 23:05, 10 November 2012 (EST)
::It looks ''vaguely'' like a bayonet to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 04:42, 11 November 2012 (EST)

I can't see very clearly, but is the IDF soldier behind the machine gunner with the Minimi/Fake Negev holding a Tavor?--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] ([[User talk:Wildcards|talk]]) 02:10, 10 November 2012 (EST)

== Semi-automatic Rifle in Brooks' Novel ==

Does anyone else think it's ridiculous that that the U.S. Military would go through the trouble of creating a new rifle to fight the zombies, just because the rifle is semi-auto? All M16 platforms currently in use by the military have a semi-automatic fire setting. They could just instruct soldiers to fire only in the SA fire mode, or even just create a fire selector lock for the rifles, it would be much cheaper than creating a whole new rifle. Also, isn't mankind on the brink of collapse by the time this rifle isn't invented? Where did the military find the time and resources to mass produce these rifles? Then they decide to build the rifles using wooden stocks? It would be much easier to mass produce guns using polymer or plastic stocks like AR-15s which would be plentiful in the military armories. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 13:36, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:I found that to be the most retarded part of the book...especially since this new miracle weapon still fires the same 5.56mm rounds. If you want a weapon that's semi only and sturdy enough for melee combat, they could've just re-issue M14s again...--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] ([[User talk:Wildcards|talk]]) 14:58, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:Yeah, let's say nothing about this whole business of forming two lines of troops to sweep the whole United States of walkers from coast to coast and the logistical and communications nightmare that would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 23:55, 10 November 2012 (EST)
::It's been a while since I read the book but I think it wasn't so much a dual line as it was a box formation with support and resupply/rearm situated in the middle. They used speakers to draw the Zs in with loud music and then were able to engage on all sides. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 11:11, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::: Were they special forces if not what branch or were they combined branches also ha charon your comment 11:11 on november 11 that's pretty funny ...--[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 14:06, 11 November 2012 (EST)
::::In the book they talk about prioritization of resources. All fighters are grounded but all transports are in the air. Armour is only called out when it is needed to quell an insurrection by humans/separatists as is arty and gunships. The war, on the ground at least, is won by the infantry although special forces do play a part in reporting the movement of the Zs (it's also mentioned SF has some of the highest suicide rates related to PTSD as a result). Oh and Blueboy...it honestly took me half an hour to figure out what you were talking about!!!

:::::Oh dude Im sorry about the half an hour I said your comment but i guees coincidences like that aren't funny to others like they are to me thanks for all the info though sorry bout the half n hour hope you ain't mad ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 22:59, 11 November 2012 (EST)
They even made a new cartridge for the SIR called "NATO 5.56 PIE" (PIE standing for Pyrotechnically Initiated Explosive). A round that exploded on contact to ensure destruction of the brain.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 00:59, 12 November 2012 (EST)

== kalashnikov variant V ar15 variant ==

look i openly admit i am going to get a kicking over this

but in the zombie survival guide they spoke highly about the chinise copy the type 56 and the m1 carbine over the m16 as the flaws of the rifle (dirt sensitive, fragile, when using as a club, political interferance to adopt it) look i have studied the weapon it has no piston (Direct impingement en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kalashnikov variant )this would make the weapon "problematic" you would need to clean it more often and if your in the middle of the fight you might not always have that luxury.
while the kalashnikov is designed with a piston and to be maintained by the most dumb thick stupid person you ever had the misfortune to come across it also can be used as a club unlike the m16 i heard of stocks snaping after trying to cave the enemy soliders heads in in hue city in 1968. the only thing that goes against the kalashnikov are the rubbish sights that round goes to the mi6
but i can see where brooks went fot the kalashnikov it has a rep for reliability that has to be seen to belived a friend of my father had to give his ak up after the hungerford massacre in 1988 he desided to distroy his he hammered the rifle up to the pistol grip into the ground and with the aid of some string pulled the trigger the kalashnikov blew it self clear of the soil and was good to go he repeated this over 10 times before he took a hack saw to it

personaly i would us an fn fal good mechisim, accurate enough, can be used as a blunt instrument widespread ammo
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 14:30, 10 November 2012 (EST)

If you have to take more than one zombie in close combat you're already screwed 9 times out of 10. And isn't it important to get headshots so again m4/16/ar15, besides the ak bayonet is horrendous it sticks in sandbags imagine tissue --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:41, 10 November 2012 (EST)

Here we go again with the "...in Vietnam" arguments against the AR-15 platform. Can anyone ever take into account the improvements that have been made to it in the last 50 years, like, for example, stronger materials (a modern fixed AR buttstock can and ''will'' crack a skull if swung hard enough) or do people still think AR-15s are still manufactured to pre-M16A1 standards? The jamming issues in Vietnam were due to the type of powder the military was using and exacerbated by the lack of training on how to properly maintain it, lack of a chromed barrel and chamber, and lack of a forward assist, none of which had shyte to do with the DI system (which you don't need to link to Wikipedia for, because the biggest part of us here already know how both DI and a short-stroke piston works). Once they switched back from stick to ball powder, instituted a maintenance training program, chromed the hell out of the barrel and chamber, and added a forward assist (i.e., upgraded to the XM16E1), the vast majority of jamming issues disappeared overnight. But, by all means, go ahead and use outdated arguments to pick at my preference of an AR-15 type weapon for a zombie pandemic (note I also mentioned the Mini-14, which has an excellent reputation as a good, reliable rifle) and see how far it gets you. :) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:03, 10 November 2012 (EST)

in defense of the ar-15 varient many of my friends have joined the british royal marines purely on the grounds that they use a version of the m16 i asked "why" because of the stories of the sa80 now lets us say bad things about that weapon --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 16:39, 12 November 2012 (EST)

A lot of the so called jamming issues that happen today on the battlefield has much to blame on the old magazines that are being issued to troops.

Go to youtube and type up "AR-15 Reliability Demonstration" by Sturmgewehre and he'll show you a realistic torture test of an AR-15 that is as close as military spec a civilian can get. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:37, 11 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:World War Z (2013)

2012-11-10T19:30:28Z

Seekerdude: /* kalashnikov variant V ar15 variant */ new section

Talk:Reign of Fire

2012-10-21T12:40:03Z

Seekerdude: /* made in ireland */ new section

Given Van Zan's tank is a Chieftain, wouldn't the mocked-up gun be an L37A1 (ie FN MAG) rather than an M2? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, too big to be a MAG from what I can see of it (I'm watching the movie as I write this). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Question: where did you guys get all the info about the t-rex rifle? i googled it and just got this page. just wondering.

I would also like to find out more about the T-Rex rifle, I've searched online for examples/information about Elephant Guns but can only find stuff on ammunition, no actual models/examples of guns!!!

Note the scope used on the T-Rex rifle. Leupold optics. The gold ring around the objective lens housing is the giveaway. Leupold scopes are very tough and have a good return to zero after dismounting. ''Wraith''

== Organizing firearms by type ==

I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
the t rex rifle is actually a 577 tyransaur not a 577 nitro the term 577 trex refers to the 577 tyranasaur cartrige you can find it on the mini compendium big bore web page.dalemac37

== Saracen APC ==

[[Image:ROFM2HB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American cocks his Browning M2HB as they aproach the British refugee castle. A Saracen APC is pictured in the Background, why would the American army use a Obsolete British Vehicle?]]

Actually, it makes sense. The americans arrived in a plane, so the space was limited for them. Then they landed and geared up with anything they could find. [[User:Markost|Markost]] 16:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes it does make sense for the Americans to have salvaged some British gear. But it doesn't make sense for a British tank to have a Russian DShk on it, or for American soldiers to be using the Singaporean Ultrimax 100. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 15:04 11/2/11

They aren´t soldiers. Anyway, you should ask the armorer why the DShk. Maybe he wanted to make the Chieftain more badass with that Mg. [[User:Markost|Markost]]

:Well, remember guys, in any post-apocalypse scenario, if you're a soldier or a survivor with a group of other soldiers/survivors on the move trying to survive and/or destroy whatever enemy or threat that has made the Earth into a post-apocalypse wasteland, you salvage and scavenge for whatever resources, supplies and weapons you can get your hands on in every destroyed neighborhood, town, city, state or country that you're traveling through or staying in. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 02:46, 25 June 2012 (CDT)

== "There's only one thing worse than dragons... ''Americans''." ==
Does anyone else get a kick out of this line? I don't know how others may feel, but I personally see it as a compliment. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 03:44, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

== made in ireland ==

bear in mind this was made in ireland and british armorers would have had little problem getting stuff to ireland besides i am from ireland post apocalyptic look it looks like that on a good day
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 08:40, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Revolution (TV Series)

2012-10-17T00:01:48Z

Seekerdude: /* Useless electronics on guns */

==S01E02 Russian Roulette Revolver==
The revolver that is held to the rebel's head appears to be a non gun as it has no markings and looks 'too smooth' to me - which would make sense from an actor safety standpoint. I'd say it's standing in for something similar to a .357 [[Smith & Wesson Model 65|Model 65]]. I made another pass and in the scenes without the actor in frame it is an actual pistol - and it still looks like a Model 65 to me.
[[Image:Smith653.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith and Wesson Model 65 - .357 Magnum. Four inch barrel and rubber grips.]]
[[Image:Rev-SW-ng.jpg|thumb|none|700px|S01E02 non-gun revolver]]
[[Image:Rev-SW65.jpg|thumb|none|700px|S01E02 revolver, dummy head stand-in]]
[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 17:27, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

The gun held to the actors head definitely has the Smith & Wesson trademarks on the frame underneath the cylinder and ahead of the trigger guard. There are also the markings on the barrel on the same gun. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 18:44, 5 October 2012 (EDT)
:So you think it's just the glare in this image obscuring the trademarks? I could see that. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 00:04, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
[[Image:Rev-SW-ng.jpg|thumb|none|700px|S01E02 non-gun revolver]]

==Useless electronics on guns==
Someone should note that the Eotechs and laser sights aren't working anymore, so in Eotechs case it would actually make aiming harder. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:17, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

agreed might be airsoft did any one see them being fired as no energy no red dot on the screen in front of your eye acog sights that use the light pipe might work
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 20:01, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Revolution (TV Series)

2012-10-16T23:37:21Z

Seekerdude: /* Useless electronics on guns */

Talk:Korovin TK

2012-10-11T23:46:09Z

Seekerdude: Created page with "the Korovin TK was given as a gift in the soviet past for achivements but its main user was the NKVD The People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs (Народный коми..."

the Korovin TK was given as a gift in the soviet past for achivements but its main user was the NKVD The People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs (Народный комиссариат внутренних дел, Narodnyy Komissariat Vnutrennikh Del) the forerunner of the kgb also the rounds were often hot loaded to make up for the shortcomings of 25 acp
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 19:46, 11 October 2012 (EDT)

Talk:The Hidden (VG)

2012-10-10T17:10:01Z

Seekerdude: /* sponsorship */ new section

Five out of six of the guns are from FN. I think a Belgian made this :) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:34, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
:Apparently. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:40, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

== sponsorship ==

did this game get sponsorship from fn i am not a fan of product placement but dude
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 13:10, 10 October 2012 (EDT)