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Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T22:04:58Z

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See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Like the Desert Eagle, I prefer the M4A1 from MW2, even if the one from MW3 looks much lighter... ."

== "USP45 Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"The main difference with the USP45 from MW2 is that now it has been cleared to the players the fact that the one from MW2, when equipped with the Suppressor, is the same gun from MW3; the USP45 Tactical has always a threaded barrel for quick attaching a Sound Suppressor, which the USP45 can't actually use...
Summarizing, the USP45 from MW2 becomes the USP45 Tactical from MW3 when a Suppressor is attached!"

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

==Game Description==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"At the end of the introduction it is written:
''"The game notably features advertising deals with various manufacturers, most obviously Remington, Leupold and EOTech."''.
It is correct indeed, but they forgot about some which are recurrent in the game, as Heckler&Koch (USP45 Tactical, MP5 RAS, MP7A1, G36C, MG36, M320 GLM and XM25),
which is undoubtely the most influent manufacturer, not only in this game, and even in reality...
Also Trijicon and Colt, but the latter products are seen as expected to be replaced by Remington ones.
And that goes also for today... ."

:There is exactly one weapon in the game with an HK logo on it, and it's hidden (suppressed MW2 USP). They obviously didn't have any kind of sponsorship deal with Activision. Colt's logo appears prominently on precisely one weapon (so they're not one of the more obvious ones as listed, much like Barrett where you really have to look on the gun for their trades), and the ACOG optic doesn't have a Trijicon logo at all. Also, HK is the most influential manufacturer? Pfft.

:Also, could you please sign the ''end'' of your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), and stop overusing ellipses (...) as punctuation? Ending every other sentence with an ellipsis makes you sound like you're drunk or high. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:00, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:20, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"What are you trying to say, Evil Tim? Am I wrong about the fact that H&K Weapons are the most influent and so the most used, besides MW2 and MW3? I don't care about the appearence of the Logo, I care about Quality! And for my punctuation, that is my Style! If you don't like it, just don't read it, OK?"

:No, it's not your style, it's something you're going to stop doing because it's not how discussion pages are formatted. H&K weapons are the most used? Um, I think Izhmash would have something to say about that. As would Norinco, Steyr, Glock, FN Herstal... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:15, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I can understand Izhmash, Glock and Herstal, but not Norinco: indeed the QBZ95 - some say it is a QBZ97 - only appears in this Call Of Duty and in few other Games; H&K, Colt, Glock, Izhmash, Herstal, Remington, Trijicon and some other else appear almost anywhere, especially H&K - and you know IT IS TRUE! -. And for the formattation, I'm not sure to understand: I'm writing like this from about ten days, and no one told me about modifying it; neither they made it, so it's not a problem as you're saying... ."

:I'm telling you it's a problem. In fact, let me go a step further; I'm telling you that '''you''' are a problem. In your edit history, you have made '''four''' edits to actual content pages in your whole time here; two adding extraneous information and two which were minor spelling corrections. Everything else has been you adding vague opinions to talk pages phrased like you're Yoda with a modem or building a gigantic user page consisting mostly of copy-paste quotations from the ''Modern Warfare'' games. Either shape up and start contributing or set up an account on GameFAQs and post all the in''S''ane, half-researched comments you like, but if you keep this up your stay here is not going to be a long one.

:As for Norinco, they are one of the most enthusiastic weaponry suppliers in the world and have been producing knockoffs of Soviet hardware for decades; huge numbers of AKs and SVDs out there are actually Norinco clones. H&K has a very savvy marketing department, but their day in the sun ended when bad guys started wearing BA and their traditional clients tossed their MP5s for carbine rifles. They are ''only'' widely distributed in videogames, in real life they're just another manufacturer, only one with an incredibly high opinion of themselves. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:36, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 23:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"OK, Mister ''I know everything'', your persistent contradictory is enough! I'm just trying to express myself with my ''modest and mere mortal'' opinions, and I don't think that what I added was actually ''extraneous'': so why do anyone else post personal comments? Aren't they ''extraneous''? What are you referring to, in particular?
Oh, and I'm so sorry for those ''minor spelling corrections'', I should have called a Veteran like you to make them! Here he comes, Mr. Evil Tim!
Anyways, in my '''personal page''' I can write what I want: indeed it is '''PERSONAL''', and I copy-pasted only MW Quotations that I like, and added something else.
Moreover, you're not an Administrator, you're a Senior Member: you may talk to Bunni or MT2008, to whom I've recently sent a message to request any access to the Forum - with no answer, is it fair? -, and that's your chance to take me out! I can understand that, I'm not convenient for this site, but you are, of course!
And for your reply about Norinco, here's once more mine about H&K:

Just read the introduction and when was the last modification made..."
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5]]

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T22:04:33Z

Scarlighter: /* Game Description */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Like the Desert Eagle, I prefer the M4A1 from MW2, even if the one from MW3 looks much lighter... ."

== "USP45 Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"The main difference with the USP45 from MW2 is that now it has been cleared to the players the fact that the one from MW2, when equipped with the Suppressor, is the same gun from MW3; the USP45 Tactical has always a threaded barrel for quick attaching a Sound Suppressor, which the USP45 can't actually use...
Summarizing, the USP45 from MW2 becomes the USP45 Tactical from MW3 when a Suppressor is attached!"

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

==Game Description==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"At the end of the introduction it is written:
''"The game notably features advertising deals with various manufacturers, most obviously Remington, Leupold and EOTech."''.
It is correct indeed, but they forgot about some which are recurrent in the game, as Heckler&Koch (USP45 Tactical, MP5 RAS, MP7A1, G36C, MG36, M320 GLM and XM25),
which is undoubtely the most influent manufacturer, not only in this game, and even in reality...
Also Trijicon and Colt, but the latter products are seen as expected to be replaced by Remington ones.
And that goes also for today... ."

:There is exactly one weapon in the game with an HK logo on it, and it's hidden (suppressed MW2 USP). They obviously didn't have any kind of sponsorship deal with Activision. Colt's logo appears prominently on precisely one weapon (so they're not one of the more obvious ones as listed, much like Barrett where you really have to look on the gun for their trades), and the ACOG optic doesn't have a Trijicon logo at all. Also, HK is the most influential manufacturer? Pfft.

:Also, could you please sign the ''end'' of your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), and stop overusing ellipses (...) as punctuation? Ending every other sentence with an ellipsis makes you sound like you're drunk or high. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:00, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:20, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"What are you trying to say, Evil Tim? Am I wrong about the fact that H&K Weapons are the most influent and so the most used, besides MW2 and MW3? I don't care about the appearence of the Logo, I care about Quality! And for my punctuation, that is my Style! If you don't like it, just don't read it, OK?"

:No, it's not your style, it's something you're going to stop doing because it's not how discussion pages are formatted. H&K weapons are the most used? Um, I think Izhmash would have something to say about that. As would Norinco, Steyr, Glock, FN Herstal... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:15, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I can understand Izhmash, Glock and Herstal, but not Norinco: indeed the QBZ95 - some say it is a QBZ97 - only appears in this Call Of Duty and in few other Games; H&K, Colt, Glock, Izhmash, Herstal, Remington, Trijicon and some other else appear almost anywhere, especially H&K - and you know IT IS TRUE! -. And for the formattation, I'm not sure to understand: I'm writing like this from about ten days, and no one told me about modifying it; neither they made it, so it's not a problem as you're saying... ."

:I'm telling you it's a problem. In fact, let me go a step further; I'm telling you that '''you''' are a problem. In your edit history, you have made '''four''' edits to actual content pages in your whole time here; two adding extraneous information and two which were minor spelling corrections. Everything else has been you adding vague opinions to talk pages phrased like you're Yoda with a modem or building a gigantic user page consisting mostly of copy-paste quotations from the ''Modern Warfare'' games. Either shape up and start contributing or set up an account on GameFAQs and post all the in''S''ane, half-researched comments you like, but if you keep this up your stay here is not going to be a long one.

:As for Norinco, they are one of the most enthusiastic weaponry suppliers in the world and have been producing knockoffs of Soviet hardware for decades; huge numbers of AKs and SVDs out there are actually Norinco clones. H&K has a very savvy marketing department, but their day in the sun ended when bad guys started wearing BA and their traditional clients tossed their MP5s for carbine rifles. They are ''only'' widely distributed in videogames, in real life they're just another manufacturer, only one with an incredibly high opinion of themselves. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:36, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"OK, Mister ''I know everything'', your persistent contradictory is enough! I'm just trying to express myself with my ''modest and mere mortal'' opinions, and I don't think that what I added was actually ''extraneous'': so why do anyone else post personal comments? Aren't they ''extraneous''? What are you referring to, in particular?
Oh, and I'm so sorry for those ''minor spelling corrections'', I should have called a Veteran like you to make them! Here he comes, Mr. Evil Tim!
Anyways, in my '''personal page''' I can write what I want: indeed it is '''PERSONAL''', and I copy-pasted only MW Quotations that I like, and added something else.
Moreover, you're not an Administrator, you're a Senior Member: you may talk to Bunni or MT2008, to whom I've recently sent a message to request any access to the Forum - with no answer, is it fair? -, and that's your chance to take me out! I can understand that, I'm not convenient for this site, but you are, of course!
And for your reply about Norinco, here's once more mine about H&K:

Just read the introduction and when was the last modification made..."
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5]]

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T22:01:07Z

Scarlighter: /* Game Description */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Like the Desert Eagle, I prefer the M4A1 from MW2, even if the one from MW3 looks much lighter... ."

== "USP45 Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"The main difference with the USP45 from MW2 is that now it has been cleared to the players the fact that the one from MW2, when equipped with the Suppressor, is the same gun from MW3; the USP45 Tactical has always a threaded barrel for quick attaching a Sound Suppressor, which the USP45 can't actually use...
Summarizing, the USP45 from MW2 becomes the USP45 Tactical from MW3 when a Suppressor is attached!"

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

==Game Description==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"At the end of the introduction it is written:
''"The game notably features advertising deals with various manufacturers, most obviously Remington, Leupold and EOTech."''.
It is correct indeed, but they forgot about some which are recurrent in the game, as Heckler&Koch (USP45 Tactical, MP5 RAS, MP7A1, G36C, MG36, M320 GLM and XM25),
which is undoubtely the most influent manufacturer, not only in this game, and even in reality...
Also Trijicon and Colt, but the latter products are seen as expected to be replaced by Remington ones.
And that goes also for today... ."

:There is exactly one weapon in the game with an HK logo on it, and it's hidden (suppressed MW2 USP). They obviously didn't have any kind of sponsorship deal with Activision. Colt's logo appears prominently on precisely one weapon (so they're not one of the more obvious ones as listed, much like Barrett where you really have to look on the gun for their trades), and the ACOG optic doesn't have a Trijicon logo at all. Also, HK is the most influential manufacturer? Pfft.

:Also, could you please sign the ''end'' of your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), and stop overusing ellipses (...) as punctuation? Ending every other sentence with an ellipsis makes you sound like you're drunk or high. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:00, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:20, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"What are you trying to say, Evil Tim? Am I wrong about the fact that H&K Weapons are the most influent and so the most used, besides MW2 and MW3? I don't care about the appearence of the Logo, I care about Quality! And for my punctuation, that is my Style! If you don't like it, just don't read it, OK?"

:No, it's not your style, it's something you're going to stop doing because it's not how discussion pages are formatted. H&K weapons are the most used? Um, I think Izhmash would have something to say about that. As would Norinco, Steyr, Glock, FN Herstal... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:15, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I can understand Izhmash, Glock and Herstal, but not Norinco: indeed the QBZ95 - some say it is a QBZ97 - only appears in this Call Of Duty and in few other Games; H&K, Colt, Glock, Izhmash, Herstal, Remington, Trijicon and some other else appear almost anywhere, especially H&K - and you know IT IS TRUE! -. And for the formattation, I'm not sure to understand: I'm writing like this from about ten days, and no one told me about modifying it; neither they made it, so it's not a problem as you're saying... ."

:I'm telling you it's a problem. In fact, let me go a step further; I'm telling you that '''you''' are a problem. In your edit history, you have made '''four''' edits to actual content pages in your whole time here; two adding extraneous information and two which were minor spelling corrections. Everything else has been you adding vague opinions to talk pages phrased like you're Yoda with a modem or building a gigantic user page consisting mostly of copy-paste quotations from the ''Modern Warfare'' games. Either shape up and start contributing or set up an account on GameFAQs and post all the in''S''ane, half-researched comments you like, but if you keep this up your stay here is not going to be a long one.

:As for Norinco, they are one of the most enthusiastic weaponry suppliers in the world and have been producing knockoffs of Soviet hardware for decades; huge numbers of AKs and SVDs out there are actually Norinco clones. H&K has a very savvy marketing department, but their day in the sun ended when bad guys started wearing BA and their traditional clients tossed their MP5s for carbine rifles. They are ''only'' widely distributed in videogames, in real life they're just another manufacturer, only one with an incredibly high opinion of themselves. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:36, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"OK, Mister ''I know everything'', your persistent contradictory is enough! I'm just trying to express myself with my modest and mere mortal opinions, and I don't think that what I added was actually ''extraneous'': so why do anyone else post personal comments? Aren't they ''extraneous''? What are you referring to, in particular? Oh, I'm so sorry for those ''minor spelling corrections'', I should have called a Veteran like you to make them! Anyways, in my '''personal page''' I can write what I want: indeed it is '''PERSONAL''', and I copy-pasted only MW Quotations that I like, and added something else.
Moreover, yo're not an Administrator, you're a Senior Member: you may talk to Bunni or MT2008, to whom I've recently sent a message to request any access to the Forum, and that's your chance to take me out! I can understand that, I'm not convenient for this site, but you are, of course!
And for your reply about Norinco, here's once more mine about H&K:

Just read the introduction and when was the last modification made..."
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5]]

Talk:Medal of Honor: Warfighter

2012-02-25T21:35:00Z

Scarlighter:

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I hope it will be more exciting than the previous one... and set into the present day, or near future (as for MW2 and MW3)."

<nowiki>*wonders how this one will Americanise historical events*</nowiki>[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:13, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:20, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"You're perfectly right, The Wierd It."

If they set it in the near future, it'll just be another CoD clone with tacticool AKs, ACRs, G36s, and all that BS. Being based on real events (and people, in the case of Rabbit, Panther, and Dusty) is one of the things I liked about MoH2010. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:29, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:20, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Perhaps you're right once more, The Weird It/Spartan 198. Which makes the difference between it and Modern Warfare Games... Yes."

Talk:AN-94

2012-02-25T21:32:31Z

Scarlighter: /* 2-Burst Fire Mode */

==The AN-94's unique muzzle configuration: does it work?==

A closer examination of the muzzle in the photos of this special-issue firearm will reveal that it has a very unusual muzzle attachment like a sideways figure 8. From the little I been able to read about it, this strange muzzle shape is supposed to reduce the sound signature of the AN-94's firing by shifting part of the muzzle blast's sound waves into ultrasound (much like a dog whistle does).

Note: There is a difference in this case between "reducing sound signature" and "making it safe to use without hearing protection." Just because part of the muzzle blast is shifted to ultrasound which is not detectable by most adult human ears, doesn't mean that it's much closer to hearing safe, since ultrasound can still damage one's hearing if at a high enough intensity.

Has anyone actually gotten their hands on an AN-94 compared its muzzle blast volume to that of an AK-74M? Or would the Russian Special Forces be better off with traditional suppressors on threaded barrels for the AN-94 in case they want something with more range than a 9x39mm firearm can offer but with similarly low sound signature? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 10:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

: As far as I know the AN-94 have only two elite teams (brigades) - Tank and infantry. But this is just talk, nothing more. I have never seen in our (Russian) television broadcasts, or live the soldiers with these weapons. Including special forces soldiers. Special forces, like the rest of the army are equipped with different types of AK, or for special purposes, the weapon caliber 9 x 39. In the hands of our special forces is easier to see the «Accuracy International Arctic Warfare» than the AN-94.

:Note: I am absolutely sure that all devices on the trunk of the AN-94 are needed to improve the accuracy of fire, but not for noise reduction.--[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 09:22, 25 February 2012 (CST)

I have a hard time believing that the strange "sideways 8" bulge along the AN-94's muzzle actually improves accuracy. If it were really that simple, wouldn't it be invented earlier and be used en masse by other assault rifle manufacturers? The "bandwagon effect" (where lots of people try to emulate someone's success by adopting similar techniques or products) is seen in all its unoriginal glory just by looking at how many handgun manufacturers have come out with glock-type pistols (safe-action triggers plus Glock-style striker firing). But it's also strange that no units you've seen have actually been publicly using it. Maybe they don't feel it offers enough of an improvement over the AK-74M? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

::That's what I found in Russian Wikipedia: “At the end of the barrel is a muzzle compensator, designed as lying horizontally "Eight". This form facilitates self-cleaning in the trunk of fire” (hope that I made the correct translation).
::I think that the AN-94 just much more expensive than an AK-74. And this is the reason for its small quantity. In addition, 75% of Russian soldiers are military service for only 1 year (during the Soviet period of service for 2 years). In this situation, there is no point in changing the AK-74 to AN-94 (at least in large quantities). At the same time, professionals have any weapon that they need - from the Glock to the AWP.--[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 09:22, 25 February 2012 (CST)

== 2-Burst Fire Mode ==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I believe it is better than the 3-Burst Mode of many other Weapons, as the second bullet will hit near the first one,
which is known to be very accurate - or the most accurate -."

No offense, friend, but why do you sign your posts like that? And why are you quoting? It seems much easier just to type what you want to say, then put four tildes after that so your name appears after it, like so. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:26, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I'm discussing about it with Evil Tim too, and now: it is my style,
my way to express my thoughts and be different from anyone else;
moreover, in ten days, no one has advised me about that, so is it a problem (a real one) or not? Just tell me and I'll see what I can do..."

Talk:AN-94

2012-02-25T21:31:38Z

Scarlighter: /* 2-Burst Fire Mode */

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T21:24:34Z

Scarlighter: /* Game Description */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Like the Desert Eagle, I prefer the M4A1 from MW2, even if the one from MW3 looks much lighter... ."

== "USP45 Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"The main difference with the USP45 from MW2 is that now it has been cleared to the players the fact that the one from MW2, when equipped with the Suppressor, is the same gun from MW3; the USP45 Tactical has always a threaded barrel for quick attaching a Sound Suppressor, which the USP45 can't actually use...
Summarizing, the USP45 from MW2 becomes the USP45 Tactical from MW3 when a Suppressor is attached!"

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

==Game Description==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"At the end of the introduction it is written:
''"The game notably features advertising deals with various manufacturers, most obviously Remington, Leupold and EOTech."''.
It is correct indeed, but they forgot about some which are recurrent in the game, as Heckler&Koch (USP45 Tactical, MP5 RAS, MP7A1, G36C, MG36, M320 GLM and XM25),
which is undoubtely the most influent manufacturer, not only in this game, and even in reality...
Also Trijicon and Colt, but the latter products are seen as expected to be replaced by Remington ones.
And that goes also for today... ."

:There is exactly one weapon in the game with an HK logo on it, and it's hidden (suppressed MW2 USP). They obviously didn't have any kind of sponsorship deal with Activision. Colt's logo appears prominently on precisely one weapon (so they're not one of the more obvious ones as listed, much like Barrett where you really have to look on the gun for their trades), and the ACOG optic doesn't have a Trijicon logo at all. Also, HK is the most influential manufacturer? Pfft.

:Also, could you please sign the ''end'' of your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), and stop overusing ellipses (...) as punctuation? Ending every other sentence with an ellipsis makes you sound like you're drunk or high. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:00, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"What are you trying to say, Evil Tim? Am I wrong about the fact that H&K Weapons are the most influent and so the most used, besides MW2 and MW3? I don't care about the appearence of the Logo, I care about Quality! And for my punctuation, that is my Style! If you don't like it, just don't read it, OK?"

:No, it's not your style, it's something you're going to stop doing because it's not how discussion pages are formatted. H&K weapons are the most used? Um, I think Izhmash would have something to say about that. As would Norinco, Steyr, Glock, FN Herstal... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:15, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I can understand Izhmash, Glock and Herstal, but not Norinco: indeed the QBZ95 - some say it is a QBZ97 - only appears in this Call Of Duty and in few other Games; H&K, Colt, Glock, Izhmash, Herstal, Remington, Trijicon and some other else appear almost anywhere, especially H&K - and you know IT IS TRUE! -. And for the formattation, I'm not sure to understand: I'm writing like this from about ten days, and no one told me about modifying it; neither they made it, so it's not a problem as you're saying... ."

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T21:24:10Z

Scarlighter: /* Game Description */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Like the Desert Eagle, I prefer the M4A1 from MW2, even if the one from MW3 looks much lighter... ."

== "USP45 Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"The main difference with the USP45 from MW2 is that now it has been cleared to the players the fact that the one from MW2, when equipped with the Suppressor, is the same gun from MW3; the USP45 Tactical has always a threaded barrel for quick attaching a Sound Suppressor, which the USP45 can't actually use...
Summarizing, the USP45 from MW2 becomes the USP45 Tactical from MW3 when a Suppressor is attached!"

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

==Game Description==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"At the end of the introduction it is written:
''"The game notably features advertising deals with various manufacturers, most obviously Remington, Leupold and EOTech."''.
It is correct indeed, but they forgot about some which are recurrent in the game, as Heckler&Koch (USP45 Tactical, MP5 RAS, MP7A1, G36C, MG36, M320 GLM and XM25),
which is undoubtely the most influent manufacturer, not only in this game, and even in reality...
Also Trijicon and Colt, but the latter products are seen as expected to be replaced by Remington ones.
And that goes also for today... ."

:There is exactly one weapon in the game with an HK logo on it, and it's hidden (suppressed MW2 USP). They obviously didn't have any kind of sponsorship deal with Activision. Colt's logo appears prominently on precisely one weapon (so they're not one of the more obvious ones as listed, much like Barrett where you really have to look on the gun for their trades), and the ACOG optic doesn't have a Trijicon logo at all. Also, HK is the most influential manufacturer? Pfft.

:Also, could you please sign the ''end'' of your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), and stop overusing ellipses (...) as punctuation? Ending every other sentence with an ellipsis makes you sound like you're drunk or high. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:00, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"What are you trying to say, Evil Tim? Am I wrong about the fact that H&K Weapons are the most influent and so the most used, besides MW2 and MW3? I don't care about the appearence of the Logo, I care about Quality! And for my punctuation, that is my Style! If you don't like it, just don't read it, OK?"

:No, it's not your style, it's something you're going to stop doing because it's not how discussion pages are formatted. H&K weapons are the most used? Um, I think Izhmash would have something to say about that. As would Norinco, Steyr, Glock, FN Herstal... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:15, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I can understand Izhmash, Glock and Herstal, but not Norinco: indeed the QBZ95 - some say it is a QBZ97 - only appears in this Call Of Duty and in few other Games; H&K, Colt, Glock, Izhmash Herstal, Remington, Trijicon and some other else appear almost anywhere, especially H&K - and you know IT IS TRUE! -. And for the formattation, I'm not sure to understand: I'm writing like this from about ten days, and no one told me about modifying it; neither they made it, so it's not a problem as you're saying... ."

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T21:23:44Z

Scarlighter: /* Game Description */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Like the Desert Eagle, I prefer the M4A1 from MW2, even if the one from MW3 looks much lighter... ."

== "USP45 Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"The main difference with the USP45 from MW2 is that now it has been cleared to the players the fact that the one from MW2, when equipped with the Suppressor, is the same gun from MW3; the USP45 Tactical has always a threaded barrel for quick attaching a Sound Suppressor, which the USP45 can't actually use...
Summarizing, the USP45 from MW2 becomes the USP45 Tactical from MW3 when a Suppressor is attached!"

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

==Game Description==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"At the end of the introduction it is written:
''"The game notably features advertising deals with various manufacturers, most obviously Remington, Leupold and EOTech."''.
It is correct indeed, but they forgot about some which are recurrent in the game, as Heckler&Koch (USP45 Tactical, MP5 RAS, MP7A1, G36C, MG36, M320 GLM and XM25),
which is undoubtely the most influent manufacturer, not only in this game, and even in reality...
Also Trijicon and Colt, but the latter products are seen as expected to be replaced by Remington ones.
And that goes also for today... ."

:There is exactly one weapon in the game with an HK logo on it, and it's hidden (suppressed MW2 USP). They obviously didn't have any kind of sponsorship deal with Activision. Colt's logo appears prominently on precisely one weapon (so they're not one of the more obvious ones as listed, much like Barrett where you really have to look on the gun for their trades), and the ACOG optic doesn't have a Trijicon logo at all. Also, HK is the most influential manufacturer? Pfft.

:Also, could you please sign the ''end'' of your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), and stop overusing ellipses (...) as punctuation? Ending every other sentence with an ellipsis makes you sound like you're drunk or high. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:00, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"What are you trying to say, Evil Tim? Am I wrong about the fact that H&K Weapons are the most influent and so the most used, besides MW2 and MW3? I don't care about the appearence of the Logo, I care about Quality! And for my punctuation, that is my Style! If you don't like it, just don't read it, OK?"

:No, it's not your style, it's something you're going to stop doing because it's not how discussion pages are formatted. H&K weapons are the most used? Um, I think Izhmash would have something to say about that. As would Norinco, Steyr, Glock, FN Herstal... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:15, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I can understand Izhmash, Glock and Herstal, but not Norinco: indeed the QBZ95 - some say it is QBZ97 - only appears in this Call Of Duty and in few other Games; H&K, Colt, Glock, Izhmash Herstal, Remington, Trijicon and some other else appear almost anywhere, especially H&K - and you know IT IS TRUE! -. And for the formattation, I'm not sure to understand: I'm writing like this from about ten days, and no one told me about modifying it; neither they made it, so it's not a problem as you're saying... ."

Talk:Medal of Honor: Warfighter

2012-02-25T21:15:59Z

Scarlighter:

Talk:AK-12

2012-02-25T21:14:23Z

Scarlighter: /* What an ugly AK */

== Additional Variants ==

[[File:Ak-12 7.62x39mm.jpg|thumb|500px|none|AK-12 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:Ak-12 5.56x45mm.jpg|thumb|500px|none|AK-12 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:Ak-12 7.62x51mm.jpg|thumb|500px|none|AK-12 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== What an ugly AK ==

How can they go from the sleek beauty that was the AK47 and end up with this? It looks hideous. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:13, 9 February 2012 (CST)
:Is beauty really a criteria you have for rifles? The AK-12 ''is'' a military rifle after all, and I don't think the Russian military compare guns using how good it looks as a category. In my world, it doesn't matter how ugly a gun is, if it does it's job well, it's welcomed with open arms. Also, was the AK-47 really that good-looking? It looked a bit plain to me. User:Alasdair
::Although, as you say, how it looks is largely irrelevant for a military weapon, I actually quite like the look of it compared to traditional AKs. I've never understood people's love for the look of the AK-47. If it was released now, it would be derided as an aesthetic and ergonomic abomination. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:34, 10 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:20, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I can understand what Cool-breeze says, but I want anyone to understand this:
if the Weapon has all the features - or at least most of them - which represent the Next Generation in the Weapon Industry,
then no matter if the weapon looks too odd: it must be more Lethal, that's what it takes!"

== Really? ==

Is this really a new AK variant, or is it still an experimental weapon?--Gunner5
:The one labelled as AK-200 was the prototype, the AK-12 is supposedly the production model and is currently being field tested. I wouldn't be surprised though if it was never actually adopted, like all of the other "replacements" for the AK-74. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:33, 9 February 2012 (CST)
Russian military has already said that they are not interested in the AK12. They want to get a brand new rifle, which will be as accurate as the M4 or G36--[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 08:23, 11 February 2012 (CST)
::When and where did you hear that? As the AK-12 was only unveiled 2 weeks ago I doubt the Russian army has actually done any proper testing yet. Are you sure you aren't getting it mixed up with the earlier AK-200 prototype? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:14, 11 February 2012 (CST)
::: Here: http://newsru.com/russia/25jan2012/aka.html
:::and here: http://newsru.com/russia/17feb2012/ak12.html
::: Because you do not read russian, I inform you about the content of this articles: Russian military demand from the manufacturer an assault rifle of OTHER design. They are convinced that АК-47 it is impossible to transform into the modern weapon by ANY modernization. But АК-12 it is only modernization of AK-47/AKM/AK-74/AK-100/AK-200 etc. --[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 13:15, 11 February 2012 (CST)
:::By the way, in this article also it is written about new pistol "Strike" which has a design similar with Glock. It is a pity that a photo of awful quality :( --[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 13:41, 11 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T21:07:49Z

Scarlighter: /* Game Description */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

__TOC__

== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Like the Desert Eagle, I prefer the M4A1 from MW2, even if the one from MW3 looks much lighter... ."

== "USP45 Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"The main difference with the USP45 from MW2 is that now it has been cleared to the players the fact that the one from MW2, when equipped with the Suppressor, is the same gun from MW3; the USP45 Tactical has always a threaded barrel for quick attaching a Sound Suppressor, which the USP45 can't actually use...
Summarizing, the USP45 from MW2 becomes the USP45 Tactical from MW3 when a Suppressor is attached!"

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

==Game Description==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"At the end of the introduction it is written:
''"The game notably features advertising deals with various manufacturers, most obviously Remington, Leupold and EOTech."''.
It is correct indeed, but they forgot about some which are recurrent in the game, as Heckler&Koch (USP45 Tactical, MP5 RAS, MP7A1, G36C, MG36, M320 GLM and XM25),
which is undoubtely the most influent manufacturer, not only in this game, and even in reality...
Also Trijicon and Colt, but the latter products are seen as expected to be replaced by Remington ones.
And that goes also for today... ."

:There is exactly one weapon in the game with an HK logo on it, and it's hidden (suppressed MW2 USP). They obviously didn't have any kind of sponsorship deal with Activision. Colt's logo appears prominently on precisely one weapon (so they're not one of the more obvious ones as listed, much like Barrett where you really have to look on the gun for their trades), and the ACOG optic doesn't have a Trijicon logo at all. Also, HK is the most influential manufacturer? Pfft.

:Also, could you please sign the ''end'' of your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), and stop overusing ellipses (...) as punctuation? Ending every other sentence with an ellipsis makes you sound like you're drunk or high. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:00, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"What are you trying to say, Evil Tim? Am I wrong about the fact that H&K Weapons are the most influent and so the most used, besides MW2 and MW3? I don't care about the appearence of the Logo, I care about Quality! And for my punctuation, that is my Style! If you don't like it, just don't read it, OK?"

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T21:07:07Z

Scarlighter: /* Game Description */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Like the Desert Eagle, I prefer the M4A1 from MW2, even if the one from MW3 looks much lighter... ."

== "USP45 Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"The main difference with the USP45 from MW2 is that now it has been cleared to the players the fact that the one from MW2, when equipped with the Suppressor, is the same gun from MW3; the USP45 Tactical has always a threaded barrel for quick attaching a Sound Suppressor, which the USP45 can't actually use...
Summarizing, the USP45 from MW2 becomes the USP45 Tactical from MW3 when a Suppressor is attached!"

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

==Game Description==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"At the end of the introduction it is written:
''"The game notably features advertising deals with various manufacturers, most obviously Remington, Leupold and EOTech."''.
It is correct indeed, but they forgot about some which are recurrent in the game, as Heckler&Koch (USP45 Tactical, MP5 RAS, MP7A1, G36C, MG36, M320 GLM and XM25),
which is undoubtely the most influent manufacturer, not only in this game, and even in reality...
Also Trijicon and Colt, but the latter products are seen as expected to be replaced by Remington ones.
And that goes also for today... ."

:There is exactly one weapon in the game with an HK logo on it, and it's hidden (suppressed MW2 USP). They obviously didn't have any kind of sponsorship deal with Activision. Colt's logo appears prominently on precisely one weapon (so they're not one of the more obvious ones as listed, much like Barrett where you really have to look on the gun for their trades), and the ACOG optic doesn't have a Trijicon logo at all. Also, HK is the most influential manufacturer? Pfft.

:Also, could you please sign the ''end'' of your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), and stop overusing ellipses (...) as punctuation? Ending every other sentence with an ellipsis makes you sound like you're drunk or high. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:00, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"What are you trying to say, Evil Tim? Am I wrong about the H&K Weapons are the most influent and so the most used, besides MW2 and MW3? I don't care about the appearence of the Logo, I care about Quality! And for my punctuation, that is my Style! If you don't like it, just don't read it, OK?"

Talk:AN-94

2012-02-25T21:01:49Z

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Talk:AN-94

2012-02-25T21:01:22Z

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==The AN-94's unique muzzle configuration: does it work?==

A closer examination of the muzzle in the photos of this special-issue firearm will reveal that it has a very unusual muzzle attachment like a sideways figure 8. From the little I been able to read about it, this strange muzzle shape is supposed to reduce the sound signature of the AN-94's firing by shifting part of the muzzle blast's sound waves into ultrasound (much like a dog whistle does).

Note: There is a difference in this case between "reducing sound signature" and "making it safe to use without hearing protection." Just because part of the muzzle blast is shifted to ultrasound which is not detectable by most adult human ears, doesn't mean that it's much closer to hearing safe, since ultrasound can still damage one's hearing if at a high enough intensity.

Has anyone actually gotten their hands on an AN-94 compared its muzzle blast volume to that of an AK-74M? Or would the Russian Special Forces be better off with traditional suppressors on threaded barrels for the AN-94 in case they want something with more range than a 9x39mm firearm can offer but with similarly low sound signature? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 10:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

: As far as I know the AN-94 have only two elite teams (brigades) - Tank and infantry. But this is just talk, nothing more. I have never seen in our (Russian) television broadcasts, or live the soldiers with these weapons. Including special forces soldiers. Special forces, like the rest of the army are equipped with different types of AK, or for special purposes, the weapon caliber 9 x 39. In the hands of our special forces is easier to see the «Accuracy International Arctic Warfare» than the AN-94.

:Note: I am absolutely sure that all devices on the trunk of the AN-94 are needed to improve the accuracy of fire, but not for noise reduction.--[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 09:22, 25 February 2012 (CST)

I have a hard time believing that the strange "sideways 8" bulge along the AN-94's muzzle actually improves accuracy. If it were really that simple, wouldn't it be invented earlier and be used en masse by other assault rifle manufacturers? The "bandwagon effect" (where lots of people try to emulate someone's success by adopting similar techniques or products) is seen in all its unoriginal glory just by looking at how many handgun manufacturers have come out with glock-type pistols (safe-action triggers plus Glock-style striker firing). But it's also strange that no units you've seen have actually been publicly using it. Maybe they don't feel it offers enough of an improvement over the AK-74M? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

::That's what I found in Russian Wikipedia: “At the end of the barrel is a muzzle compensator, designed as lying horizontally "Eight". This form facilitates self-cleaning in the trunk of fire” (hope that I made the correct translation).
::I think that the AN-94 just much more expensive than an AK-74. And this is the reason for its small quantity. In addition, 75% of Russian soldiers are military service for only 1 year (during the Soviet period of service for 2 years). In this situation, there is no point in changing the AK-74 to AN-94 (at least in large quantities). At the same time, professionals have any weapon that they need - from the Glock to the AWP.--[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 09:22, 25 February 2012 (CST)

== 2-Burst Fire Mode ==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I believe it is better than the 3-Burst one, as the second bullet will hit near the first one,
which is known to be very accurate - or the most accurate -."

Talk:Medal of Honor: Warfighter

2012-02-25T20:59:08Z

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Medal of Honor: Warfighter

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[[Image:Moh_warfighter_cover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Medal of Honor: Warfighter'' (2012)]]

''Medal of Honor: Warfighter'' (previously known as ''Medal of Honor 2'') is an upcoming first-person shooter video game developed by Danger Close (EA LA) and will be published by Electronic Arts. It is the 13th installment of the ''[[Medal of Honor]]'' series, and a direct sequel to ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)]]'', which was set in 2002 during the first stages of the ongoing War in Afghanistan.

'''The following weapons are featured in the upcoming video game ''Medal of Honor: Warfighter'':'''
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= Assault Rifles =
== Colt M4A1 Carbine ==
The [[M4A1]] is seen held by a Tier 1 operator in the first screenshot released for the game. The weapons is fitted with Magpul CTR stock, Magpul PMag, Troy rear back up iron sight (BUIS), Trijicon TA01DOC 4x32 ACOG scope, and an unidentified railed handguard.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with fitted with Aimpoint M68 CCO, KAC RAS railed handguard, and KAC RIS foregrip - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:Medal of Honor]]
[[Category:First-Person Shooter]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Drama]]

Talk:Beretta Px4 Storm

2012-02-25T20:56:22Z

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[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 22:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"One of my favourite Handguns: it is on 2nd PLACE in my "Handguns" Category... Not only for its peculiar shape!"

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T20:51:38Z

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Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T20:51:25Z

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Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T20:48:00Z

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Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T20:21:41Z

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Talk:Ghost Recon: Future Soldier

2012-02-25T20:12:32Z

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==Sorry guys==
My computer is running slowly so there is a marked delay in what I type and what page shows up. I did a boo boo because I was on the main VG page and then clicked on the discussion page and my PC took so long to click over I thought the Discussion page WAS the main page. That's what I get for trying to edit quickly when I'm multi-tasking. Apologies. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

==Fictional Weaponry==

===MR-B Assault Rifle===
The bullpup assault rifle has a built-in shotgun under the barrel, and the overall design has a faint resemblance with [[IMI Tavor TAR-21]]. It is used by Ghost Recon operatives.
[[Image:GRFS-AR-3.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Fiction Bullpup Assault Rifle, 5.56 Uranium]]
For a magnified version of the upper image:
[http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/108/1083040/ghost-recon-future-soldier-first-look-20100412054623239.jpg]
[[Image:GRFW-AR.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:GRFW-AR-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

These look a little like Magpul PDR's to me.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 16:01, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"A Fictional/Futuristic Bullpup Multi-Purpose Assault Rifle which, on my opinion, shares only few parts from other Weapons:
the most evident is the Pistol Grip, identical to that of the P90 SMG; the rear part of the Upper Receiver, which would be used as a Cheek Rest, features on the left side of the Weapon (see the first image and magnification) three "Air Intakes" which resemble those appearing on some Handguards (H&K G36, Enfield L85,...).
I believe it is well assembled, but too bulky and heavy, so less maneuverable, and this is a paradox for a Bullpup Weapon! It shouldn't include the "Disputor Shotgun", but as an Underbarrel Attachment! And what is that "Titanium Hook" for? Grappling? If so, it would be very useful, and even more if it were an Accessory, not an integrated part of the Weapon, which is actually a Weapon System.
I hope they will make some changes to the final release of both the Game (that has been postponed to 22 May for the North America and 24 May for the EU) and the Weapon..."

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Oops, I almost forgot another interesting detail: the "Hologram Sight", which perhaps in 2030 will replace the Red Dot Sight as a Standard Equipment... or just walk next to it."

===Fictional Assault Rifle #2===
Seems to be based on the [[OTs-14 Groza]] with a AR-15 carry handle. Used by the Ultranationalists and their leader Ivan Illitch Kerenski.

==But Groza has AR-15 style carry handle? So why it's fictional? ripp

==Agreed, aside from a few attachments those are perfectly normal Grozas; which makes sense being in the hands of riot police, as it was designed as a close combat weapon, and the ultranationalists that now own the police. I support this being moved to the main page unless its confirmed it will not appear in the game but only the trailer. - Anon
[[Image:GRFW-AR2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:GRFW-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:GRFW-AR2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

These just ook like AN-91's to me. Not sure they're fictional. --[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 16:03, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

===Fictional Grenade Launcher===
It used by Russian Ultranationalist Forces to fire tear gas shells at the mob. Seems to have been inspired by the [[Brügger & Thomet GL-06]].
[[Image:GRFW-GL.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

===Backpack Rocket Launcher===
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[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Nice... I want some of them; it looks like it was for an Iron Man Armor!!!!
What about "Dual-Wielding" it, on both sides of the Backpack?"

==Plot and set-up of this game?==

Is Scott Mitchell, the player character from Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, making a comeback in this game? Will there be a different version for the PC players this time too, as was the case for GRAW2? I like those kinds of "enhanced PC ports" that take full advantage of mouse and keyboard and possibly better hardware as well.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

==Not looking good so far...==
It's not the Sci-Fi..ness that gets to me, I mean it bothers me but I could get past it. They could be Jedis and I might still like this(might, but probably not), but what I can't get past is that these designs are just UGLY! DX [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]

I've been a big fan of Ghost Recon ever since I played the original back in the day (and even liked both Advanced Warfighters, despite the largely mixed reviews they got), but this one is beginning to look ''too much'' like ''Halo'' for my comfort. Fictional weapons, optic camouflage, ''backpack-mounted rocket pods''? What's next, Master Chief armored suits? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Well it's in the discussion section, so it's not too much of a problem [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Good point. Why does the "future" always involve wildly complex electronics, invisibility, and stupid-looking weapons? Maybe the developers started thinking the whole "Future warrior" project and thought it might actually work. In GRAW2, I usually go for the SCAR-L or HK416, with MP5SD secondary and the Mk46 for my support. I don't want or need super-weapons like the melting Xm8 and the doesn't-actualy-exist MR-C. I just hope there's a mission with the enemy sets of an EMP, leaving you with whatever doesn't use electricity. Seriously, optic camo is just dumb. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 13:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

:I think optic camo is the way of the future when it comes to camo. You are invisible to the enemy. Literally invisible. Don't you think that is much more advantageous than just blending in with camo colors? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Another thing - the game is set in "near future" in late 2020's or early 2030's but in my opinion presented technologies are just too modern. Optical camouflage? Miniature "box-of--chocolate-chip-cookies-sized" rocket launchers capable of taking down a MBT in one shot? Oh, come on. Those things are not even in prototype stage yet. And I strongly doubt they would be in 10-15 years. As someone said, this looks much more like HALO than hard-core military FPS. Probably the best was the first "trilogy" - original Ghost Recon + Desert Siege and Island Thunder expansion packs. Plot line was not so shitty (well yeah, we still got the ultranationalists in Russia but ethnic cleansing in Sudan or collapse of Cuban regime were in my opinion quite realistic), you did not have any super cool hi-tech stuff (like AI driven battle robots, predator-like camouflage or laser guided beer can openers) and one 7,62x39mm round from an AK was capable of killing or incapacitating you. It was Advanced Warfighter, which started this "modern technologies" trend. The game was also set in "near future" (in 2014 to be precise) but it was much more "believable". You know, RC controlled drones/recon UAVs - why not? Military uses UAVs extensively even on todays battlefields and there are plans for further development. And speaking about weapons, "Ghost" were still using HK-416s, SCARs, MP-5s, MK-46s and other good "old fashioned" weapons (ok, there were few oversights like MR-C) rather than bullpup carbines firing "uranium" 5,56 rounds. W-T-F is that? What's next - Ghost Recon going Star Wars style aka Attack of mutant Jedi Clones firing lightsabers from their rocket launchers? My point is - Modern technologies? Fine, but at least make it believable. Is there anyone else who would like to see e.g. 6,5x39 or 6,8x43 based weapons and other non-sci-fi stuff rather than railguns, lasers and plasma carbines? [Ragnar]

:Unfortunately, highly realistic FPS games like [[SWAT 4]] are at best a niche market now, and less realistic "futuristic" stuff is wildly popular thanks to the success of shooter series like Halo and Gears of War. Nobody likes getting killed in one shot in a game.

:That said, I did like GRAW2 (though not as much as SWAT 4), and I did like using the XM8 and HK416, as well as the MR-C (HK was working on getting the G11 to work until the Berlin Wall fell, and the other two would be in more general use if it weren't for bureaucratic inertia). Besides, I was thinking that modern military body armour was supposed to stop several 7.62x39mm rounds now.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 16:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:Modern combat vests with ceramic SAPI (Small Arms Protective Insert) plates and soft kevlar inserts are supposed to stop 7,62x39 or even 7,62x54R but they are more like to lower the possibility of life threatening wound/protecting you from getting killed than making you invincible Terminator-like war machine from which bullets just bounce off. Usually, when you are hit you don't rush back into combat (even if the SAPI have stopped the bullet) ... of course when the situation requires you are still able to participate in combat or fight back but it is not like in CoD games (or any other similar FPS with "self healing system") - whoa I was hit into my vest ... lets wait five seconds in cover and we're good to go. [Ragnar - 20:06, 12 May 2010]

:No, I'm not saying I prefer a quick-healing system. I'm just tired of the tendency in certain more realistic games to kill you instantly without telling you where you got shot (which would be believable in places such as through the tactical goggles, or through the face, neck, groin, etc.) when your character are wearing body armour. Many's the time I've been shot dead with one bullet in SWAT 4 by a thug with a 9x19mm pistol, without having been previously injured. Maybe a better system might be to have armour just reduce damage or inflict "consciousness damage" (take too much of that and you are knocked out rather than killed) rather than be treated as health against rounds that are stopped and don't pierce it outright, while each piece of armour is tracked for its "integrity" (or likelihood of stopping/reducing health damage from rounds). That could be more be more realistic and more fun to play with. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Depleted uranium bullets are a real thing, actually they are THROUGH the prototype phase. Its use lies not in the radioactivity, but in its density. DU is used to make both vehicle armour and armour-piercing bullets by the US military already. Optical camo, while not 100% working right now, has been making HUGE steps forward in Japan. You wear it like a raincoat and you look like a strange shadow. Still noticeable, but nearly there. If it was through prototyping RIGHT NOW, they'd probably already be using it. It's not Halo, it's just the future. It's gonna happen, look out. Anyways, the gun makes sense to me, what doesn't is the idea that the US would have changed its main assault rifle again. The M8 outperformed the SCAR and the M4 by a stunning amount in terms of reliability and ease of use, and it still wasn't adopted. If anything, they should have just standardized the MCR from the last game, made it the mainstay weapon and done some variants of it. Or, realistically, they would probably just keep flogging the mp5-m16/m4 horse. Because everyone wants to just play every war game ever made and to ever BE made with the same weapons again and again. Even in the future, when an assault rifle with possibly equal range, more stopping power and a built in breaching shotgun is invented, all taking up half the space of the M4 it is attempting to replace. Progress on the battlefield? Heaven forbid. That said, aesthetically I'm not really a fan of the grips on the gun. Too ergonomic-looking to go with the rest of the rifle's look. [Erk - 05:46, 24 May 2010]

::DU would be pointless in a smallarm because the main advantage of DU is being pyrophoric; it's self-sharpening when it impacts at extremely high velocity, and will usually spontaneously ignite once inside a vehicle. It's just added here because like nuclear bullets are awesome, man (or because they're like really evil and stuff, depending on how the plot goes). In an infantry weapon you'd be better off using tungsten carbide, or just switching back to battle rifles as standard infantry arms for the additional penetration of a fullsize rifle round. The XM8 barely outperformed the SCAR (127 stoppages versus 226, and apparently most of that was due to the STANAG magazine of the SCAR being less reliable than the XM8's proprietary one, not the rifles themselves) and from what I've heard the ridiculous numbers of stoppages from the M4 were in no small part due to deliberate use of unapproved maintenance techniques during testing (in other words, it was about as fair a test as the M14 trials). Regardless, this thing is another OICW: a fat gun trying to cram everything the company thinks a soldier needs into it (in this case seemingly even a can opener), resulting in something nobody in their right mind would carry onto the field. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:14, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

I'm not liking the look of the new assault rifle. It looks like a frankin gun. Too much thrown into one thing to be practical. The bipod is so far from the center that to use it would simply be exposing one self and a built in hook? Seriously it just looks ridiculous. Even if it were built of all polymer which it isn't it would weigh like 20 something pounds. No one would be able to handle this weapon effectively. It looks like they're only a few steps off of throwing the chainsaw bayonet on there for good measure. It all just looks too dumb for me.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

: Yep, that's the problem of most of the fictional/futuristic "cool-looking" weapons. They are not designed for functionality but for looks (also majority of game designers does not have any experience with fire arms ... [sarcasm] if you are lucky they only know that weapons do "boom"[end of sarcasm]). And again, I'm not criticizing all game designers or all fictional firearms - there are few nice (it-looks-it-might-actually-work) examples. If I were designing a fictional firearm for such "near-future" FPS I would base it at least on some current weaponry (like in CRYSIS where they took XM-8 or MP-7 and refitted them a bit) - e.g. something like FN 2000 with prolonged barrel, RIS handguard, EGLM (in my opinion better construction than bulky AG36/M320), AN/PEQ 16 style IR designator, EOTech style holographic sight with magnifier and chambered to 6,5x39 or 6,8x43 ... It would look cool but also believable/functional - far more than that uranium rounds firing peice of crap with "hook" in front of the barrel. [Ragnar - 09:46, 14 May 2010]

: My only problem is that those helmets are fucking ugly and an invitation to catching frag to the brainpan. Why couldn't they use the designs from EndWar? [[Special:Contributions/75.51.147.40|75.51.147.40]] 05:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Seriously. Those helmets are just ridiculously designed. It's not a huge aesthetic thing to have ear covers on helmets. It's almost like they're going out of their way to make things look dumb and practically retarded at the same time. This is I guess the fate that awaits all future settings games. Shame really.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

LoL those are not ear covers those are sky masks or however they're called worn under the helmet they're just white so it looks stupid but they are not ear covers.

The main weapon defiantly looks retarded IMO: Biggest fault for me is the P90-style pistol grip on a weapon that big. That grip works with a lightweight weapon like the P90, not with a fuck-off big gun like that. And a titanium hook? What the hell would you use that for? Also, am I the only one who noticed how far back the mag is? There is no room for a conventional bolt in there, as far as I can tell. It sure as hell doesn't look like it's caseless, considering the cocking handle halfway up the weapon. And oh god the holosight looks stupid, at least give it something it projects onto or into, not just magically hovering in the air. If they removed the stupid hook and grip at the front and went with a F2000-style stock, with a conventional magazine and a something that looked like a compact digital sight (think Eotech mixed with the F2000's grenade sight), I might buy its a futuristic OICW... it wouldn't look good but at least kind of plausible. As is it looks like something out of Gears of War. *edit* I just noticed the shotgun's magazine is directly under the side rails, making the rails more or less useless as you can't fit anything to them without getting in the way of the shotgun's mag.

The game has exoskeletons as a dues ex machina answer to the weight of the gear and comm'on DU bullets quick fact A gallon of milk weighs about 8 lbs. A chunk of uranium metal the size of a gallon milk jug weighs over 150 lbs! plz switch to 6.5 ammo a helpful guy

Well, I have to admit, the E3 demos of being able to fully customize the gun down to the gas tubes were rather impressive, lets hope that the weapons now act if they would correctly. However that's the only aspect of the game I'm impressed by so far tho, what the heck was up with that kinect? Sure as hell didn't look like shooting a rifle :P -Kangabox

== M249 Para ==
So am I the first one to catch it hiding in the background of the weapon selection screen or did nobody just bother to add it? ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:44, 10 July 2011 (CDT)
:In the latest kinect trailer they are calling it "LMG MK48", so I think it's an MK48 with a Para stock if that is possible. Or since there will be an option to customize the butt-stocks, maybe fixed ones will be available also. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 03:27, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::It's possible. Ghost Recon seems to have abandoned the 5.56mm SAWs in favor of the Mark 48 ever since the latter's introduction in GR2: Summit Strike. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:32, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

== Plot? ==
Has anyone heard anything about the plot? I'm wondering if perhaps these Russian ultra-nationalists have any connection to those behind the 2008 Balkan War portrayed in the original Ghost Recon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:37, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'll try to guess the plot.

::''"Oil. But then...'''Not oil!!!1''' And so there was a war and someone probably stole a nuke / quantum computer / EMP device also. Luckily a team of elite made-up special forces led by a tough former something-or-other (cop, Marine, SEAL, hairdresser, etc) with nothing to lose just manage to maneuver the situation to the point nothing is really resolved and a sequel can be blatantly set up for next year."''

:This is a calculated guess from playing other videogames. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:33, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
* :D - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:04, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yup, sounds about right from my experience, too. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:34, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"It is set in 2030, where Russia went to war; The Ghosts (a 4-man Ghost Team consisting of a Commando (Kozak), a Sniper Weapons expert (Pepper), a Reconnaissance expert (30k), and Ghost Lead) will be fighting an ultra-nationalist force that took control of Russia and are invading neighboring countries; they will visit places such as Norway, the Middle East and Asia."
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy%27s_Ghost_Recon:_Future_Soldier#cite_note-joystiq.com-2]

== F this game ==
According to E3 2011 gameplay there will be '''NO''' +1 round in the chamber nor fire-mode selection, also remaining bullets will not be lost when reloading mid-mag. :( I hope they will change it before release otherwise it won't be a real ''tactical'' shooter. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:04, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:Agreed, most shooters nowadays are plagued by COD Virus :( --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:16, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::I'm sorry, but I'm happy as long as a SCAR-L doesn't shoot in tri-burst. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:07, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I don't mind not losing bullets from mid-mag reloads (after all, it's not like reloading with retention is impossible), as long as the magical elves living in my webbing aren't consolidating my used magazines into full ones. Maybe have a display of the mags you're carrying with red / amber / green to indicate roughly how full they are (since your character, unlike you, knows how much they weigh), and perhaps the ability to cycle preference (most full or most empty). Then again, we're talking about a game with an absurd DU-shooting trouser-cannon, so realism was never really going to be on the menu. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:37, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Indicators for magazines is good. But it won't be because of knowing weight (this isn't realism-like Red Orchestra where you don't know the actual amount of bullets in magazine, there is standard ammo-in-mag counter ;) ) it will be for the sake of convenience :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:19, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Well, what I mean is rather than cluttering up the screen with ammo-in-weapon plus 7-15 other numbers, you'd have your number of bullets in the current magazine and then the colour / fill indicators for the others. To be honest, I don't think it's that realistic to have no idea at all how many bullets you have, since your ''character'' is a soldier who should know that kind of thing, and the HUD is just a way of transferring that information to the player. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:25, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::And since our characters are Ghost Recon operatives with tactical gear (including helmets), for them it ''should'' be natural 8) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:38, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::My Sci-fi story/game has aliens, wrap drive space ships, and mechs, but the weapons, equipment, and handling of said stuff is so realistic it would make most peoples heads hurt. And their not blaster type weapons. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:27, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, being convincing is in the details of how a weapon is handled rather than necessarily in the setting. Then again, my own FPS / story project isn't as scifi as yours, so there. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:49, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

==KAC Masterkey==
I think it's not a KAC Masterkey because it seems to be a semi auto shotgun.--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 18:51, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 14:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Agree with Flavio: the one in the picture looks a Semi-Auto Underbarrel Shotgun...
Anyways, since the M26 MASS has been recently issued by the US Army ([http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/02/16/army-issues-m26-mass-modular-accessory-shotgun-system/]) as the new Underbarrel Shotgun Attachment and as a new Stand-Alone Shotgun, why would the Ghosts still use the Masterkey, in 2030? They should use a new Underbarrel Shotgun, as for the MR-B Underbarrel Shotgun named "Disputor"..."

:I think the gun that this is actually based on is a fictional shortened version of the [[Benelli_M_Series_Super_90_Shotguns#Benelli_M4|Benelli M4]]. The cap on the end of the magazine tube is quite distinctive, shape of the receiver is the same, and the grip design is similar albeit slightly shortened. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:35, 21 February 2012 (CST)
::I agree with the previous comments. I'm not sure if it's an M4, but it does look like a semi-automatic and it certainly isn't a Masterkey. [[User:Krakydak|Krakydak]] 10:32, 25 February 2012 (CST)

== AK-12 ==

This is definitely not an AK-12, as that has a totally different shaped upper receiver and a different safety. It looks kind of like what was being reported as the early AK-200 prototype, but that was just a railed AK-74M. This looks more like an AKM with a AK-74 muzzle brake and Tapco folding stock and new furniture. Also, seeing as this final version of the AK-12 was only unveiled a couple of days ago, it seems very unlikely that is what this gun is based on. Also, that isn't one of the new 60 round magazines, it is a Tapco magazine that has been bulged out to look like a 60. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:51, 29 January 2012 (CST)
:I don't wish to disrespectfully argue with a more experienced member of the site, but I think the in-game render of the gun 99percently resembles the [http://www.gunblog.com/wp-content/gallery/ak-200-rifle/tmp_dropzone_6f_6748799800_.jpg AK-200]. I noted in the text that it is not the AK-12 but the 200, its prototype version. Maybe it would be wise to add an AK-200 section to the AK-12 page, and put this there. And then note how the final AK-12 looks like for future references. What do you say? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 06:28, 29 January 2012 (CST)
::Granted it does look more like what was touted as the prototype AK-200 than the AK-12, but looking at the gas block and the front sight block, these are both [[AKM]] type rather than [[AK-74]] type, which is what the AK-200 uses. [http://cdn1.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tmp_dropzone_6f_6748799800_tfb-tfb.jpg This] is a picture of what is supposedly the AK-200 prototype, which I believe is just either a AK-74M, AK-101 or AK-103 depending on caliber, fitted with a railed handguard and a railed top cover that is hinged and secured with a side mounted lever rather than the button on the rear. This gun might actually have this last point but can't be sure from this screenshot, but as it has the wrong stock,magazine, gas block and front sight, at best this is an AKM/AK-200 hybrid. I imagine the reason for this is that there are not many photos of the AK-200 and they wouldn't have been able to get their hands on one, so they had to base the majority of the modelling on something else. Either way, ID'ing it as an AK-12 and using an AK-12 photo is inaccurate as, if anything, it is an AK-200. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:54, 29 January 2012 (CST)
:::True. We could use a good pic of the 200 though. Anyways I will add an AK-200 section to the AK-12 page and move it there, ok? (And let's not forget that this is a video game, every small detail on a gun cannot be correct, right? Just scroll through the [[Soldier of Fortune: Payback]] page, and you will see what I am talking about. XD) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:05, 29 January 2012 (CST)
::::Normally I'd think that if there are details wrong that mean it is actually based on another gun then it should be listed as the gun it actually is. However, I'd imagine that in this case they were genuinely trying to make an AK-200, and got tripped up on a couple of minor details due to the fact that there isn't much good reference material for it, so suppose it is fine leaving it as AK-200 for now. If it turns out with better screenshots that the the top cover of this gun is the same as on a traditional gun and it doesn't have the thumb safety on the left side, then it should be changed, as in that case there will be nothing that matches the AK-200. As for the picture, you could put in the AK-103, as that is close to being the same gun as the 7.62x39mm AK-200 (which I'm assuming this is from the magazine curve), just without the rails and new top cover. I wonder if the devs are pissed off that they put in a gun that was being touted by Russia as their future AK, and then when the gun is already made not only do they change the name of it, but it looks totally different to the earlier rifles. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:49, 29 January 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"As TheFirearmBlog.com reported only few days ago [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/02/16/izhmash-5th-gen-ak-12-photos-and-video/], the AK-200 has been improved and renamed as the AK-12 [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/01/26/kalashnikov-ak-12-unveiled/], being released during this year as the 5th Generation of the original Avtomat Kalashnikova, and in Multiple Calibers. But it doesn't mean that the Ubisoft Team is forced to change thier "AK-200" to the actual "AK-12", as it looks they customized it well, with those Tapco Folding Stock and Fictional "Tapco 60-Round Quad Magazine" (Tapco Industries could think about it...)."

==Optic Choices==
Screencaps show an Aimpoint Micro, an EOTech XPS with magnifier, and an ACOG variant with a red dot on top. The ACOG and EOTech combo have me most intrigued and wondering if we'll be able to switch between magnification for distance shooting and the red dot for CQB as needed. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:24, 25 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 21:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Let's see: an Aimpoint Micro T1; an EOTech XPS with 3/4/5/7X Magnifier; a Trijicon ACOG 6X TA648RMR (which includes a Trijicon RMR on the top rail); a Russian Scope, similar to the NPZ Optics PSO-1.
I believe that Hybrid Sights will work as for those seen in Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3... ."

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T14:54:06Z

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See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Like the Desert Eagle, I prefer the M4A1 from MW2, even if the one from MW3 looks much lighter... ."

== "USP Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T14:48:43Z

Scarlighter: /* Desert Eagle */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

__TOC__

== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf...
Anyways, the .50 Action Express (7-Round Magazine+1) is one of the most powerful Handgun Caliber, but not easy to control;
that's why I would rather use the .44 Magnum (8-Round Magazine+1) or the .357 Magnum (9-Round Magazine+1), with less recoil and higher accuracy."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== "USP Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T14:43:38Z

Scarlighter: /* Desert Eagle */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf... ."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== "USP Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T14:42:19Z

Scarlighter: /* Desert Eagle */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle! What a pity that Infinity Ward hasn't introduced the Round-In-Chamber Feature yet, perhaps they will for Black Ops 2 or the Project Iron Wolf..."

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== "USP Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T14:40:11Z

Scarlighter: /* Desert Eagle */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 16:00, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE Design, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle!"

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== "USP Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

2012-02-25T14:39:10Z

Scarlighter: /* Desert Eagle */

See [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] for older discussions.

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== HD Screenshots from the MW3 Commercial ==

Here's some screenshots from the MW3 Commercial starring [[Sam Worthington]] and [[Jonah Hill]]:

It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
:Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
::Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
::::Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
:::::The thing is while commercials are not allowed, ''trailers'' usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
::::::Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly ''all'' having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are ''not'' trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be ''way'' bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[File:MW3Com 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet ([[Sam Worthington]]) loads up his ACR during the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[File:MW3Com 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet then switches to his dual Skorpions during the first engagement.]]
[[File:MW3Com 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in Germany, The n00b aims an RPG-7 at an enemy sniper, as The Vet looks on in disbelief at such a choice.]]
^That one makes me laugh my ass off every time I look at it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:41, 22 November 2011 (CST)
[[File:MW3Com 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b now shows off the skills he's learned from The Vet.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b ([[Jonah Hill]]) realizes the mistake he's just made in pulling the pin from his M67 grenade prematurely in the opening battle in New York City.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet draws his dual Skorpions. Interestingly, there are no holsters for these weapons. This could be a sly joke about game mechanics; in the games, the player's second weapon is indeed shown stuck to their back with no visible means of attachment.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Vet now stares down at an attacking Mi-28 "Havoc" helicopter...]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and dodges an incoming missile from the Havoc.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b charges onto the war-torn New York City streets in typical n00b fashion; spraying from the hip and yelling a war-cry like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like any typical n00b, he also "noob tubes".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unfortunately, The n00b forgot about one thing; watch out for hidden landmines!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet sneak up on the enemy sniper during the battle in Germany.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Watch, and learn!" The Vet once again tries to show The n00b how to prepare for combat properly during the battle in Paris.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b learns what it's like to fight in zero gravity in a recreation of the mission "Turbulence".]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Take a break big dog, I got this!" The n00b prepares to show that he's proven his worth on the battlefield.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the battle in New York City, The n00b switches from his ACR to his M1911. Smart choice. Not bad for a n00b!]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b fires his M1911.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b and The Vet walk side-by-side on the battlefield, as the trailer's tagline appears on the screen.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another n00b ([[Dwight Howard]]) comes onto the battlefield, displaying the typical n00b mannerisms.]]
[[Image:MW3Noob-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The n00b whoops with joy after spraying the battlefield with his M16A2/M203 combo.]]

== Unknown grenade ==

Any idea what this is?

[[Image:MW3-Gasgren-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)

== Desert Eagle ==

Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in ''Minneapolis MN''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/2011-11-25_00070.jpg This is a slightly different gradient mapping] (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
::Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!

:[[Image:MW3-Deagle-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the ''top'' of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]]

::Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were ''lucky'' you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::::: Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"I prefer the MW2 Magnum Research .50AE, but with the 8-Round Magazine of the MW3 Deagle!"

== Mk 14 ==

So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and ''check'' it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)

... what's the problem? --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)

== Since it's locked... ==

Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?

"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."

Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:You're misreading. The W9 round ''itself'' is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just did that before reading. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)

How come the page is locked anyway? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
:Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. ''Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.'']]
:That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it ''does'' use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?

:Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of ''MW2'''s name. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.

[[Image:Pc_wallpaper_04_1024x768.png|thumb|none|600px|Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.]]
[[Image:MW3-Mk14Mod0-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.]]

Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== M4A1 ==

A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.

[[File:MW3-M4-1.jpg|600px]]

[[File:MW3-M4-2.jpg|600px]]

The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:[[Image:MW3-M4-5.jpg|600px]]

:If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)

::Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --[[User:Noble.6|Noble.6]] 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== "USP Tactical" ==

I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.

:[[Image:Whatdoesthissay.jpg]] [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said ''last'' time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:

:Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
:[[Image:MW1-USP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP in ''CoD4''. ''Barely visible'' barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-Nottactical.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard USP from ''MW2'' in ''MW3''. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has ''very slightly'' visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.]]
:[[Image:MW3-USPTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has ''highly'' visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.]]
:The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
:Let me just break this down:
:*Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
:*They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
:*They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
:*They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
:Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it ''says'' it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)

== "MG36" ==

This image is from the official H&K site.
[[Image:G36K-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Just ignore the buttstock, willya.]]
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in ''Far Cry'', mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the [[Far Cry]] rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::Ah, CQB ''barrel'', that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::Could be. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
::::::::::::The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the [[Talk:Heckler & Koch G36|G36 talk page]], as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)

The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/hires_090318-A-1211m-002a.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)

==Oakley Gloves==
[[File:RSASS MW3 being loaded.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.]]
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)

I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)

== More guns ==

In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
:+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
: in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
: On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= [[User:Taedeezy|Taedeezy]] 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)

:I'll be going through again to get these soonish. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
::Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== Type-95 is a 97 ==

When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)

==Soap's P99==

I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring

:Yes, he does. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)

== MP7 Mag ==

I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --[[User:Don Bigles|Don Bigles]] 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)

:It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Always Wondered ==

Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)

I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.

:Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)

::It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:::I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::::Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be ''really'' cool if you bought this one!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Max Payne 3

2012-02-25T12:32:48Z

Scarlighter: /* FX-05 Xiuhcoatl */

==The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol==
I wonder if it will make an appearance in ''Max Payne 3'' as a usable gun. [[Special:Contributions/203.59.124.247|203.59.124.247]] 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

==Unidentified guns==
[[Image:Mp3gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3guns2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Is either an Inox or Desert Eagle]]
:The Pistol Payne is holding in the first picture is an Desert Eagle. I don't know what that shotgun is though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== AK47 ==

I've just re-examined the six released pictures with the visual equivalent of a fine tooth pick, and can't see an AK47 anywhere. All the gangsters clearly have single-handed weapons - though I would put my last buck on there being an AK varient in-game, there is currently no visual proof at all, so I've deleted the section. If someone would point it out to me, I will be more than glad to re-do the AK47 section I've just deleted.
Take care and remember to eat all your veggies. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 02:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::Appologies everyone, I just been doing some research, and there is a picture of an AK-47 in the Game Informer Magazine's section on Max Payne 3, not the actual released photos. Here is the Link: http://www.gossipgamers.com/max-payne-3-details-high-res-scans/ [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 15:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Pictures uploaded by user ''SB2296''. Thanks very much for that my friend. :) [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 21:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Taurus PT92 ==
I think the Beretta 92FS's may be Taurus PT92's.Needs confirmation.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]
[[Image:Mp3deagle92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Mp3guns1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
*So when did Max turn into Charlie Bronson with a big stupid beard? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:When he went to Sao Paulo to kick some Brazilian Ass and take names that's when.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::12 long years of alcoholism and painkiller addiction and abuse (hah, never though I'd see this day coming. I was thinking that the first time I started playing the Max Payne demo and seeing how many painkillers he consumes), that's when. :D [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
: HEY! Don't bad mouth Bronson. If he were alive to hear you, he would tear your lungs out-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Wrong Bronson. I was talking about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson_%28prisoner%29 this one]. Stick "Charlie Bronson" (not Charles) into Google and you'll see what I mean in the image results; he is a bald man who is huge and typically has an enormous silly beard. He looks sort of like a real-life Doctor Robotnik. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 16:03, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

:: By the way, I think that's a MAC-11, not 10. Either that or Max's hands are HUGE. -protoAuthor
:::I think it' a Mac-11 too, because of those horizintal lines on the sides of the gun. I'm no gun expert, but I'm sure they're only on a Mac-11 - I was checking what it was just the other day on wikipedia. TC. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Unknown Revolver ==
[[Image:MP3-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Does anyone know which chrome revolver is that in Max's left hand?Looks like a Taurus but the image is too small to guess the correct one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:19, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:Could be a Smith & Wesson of sort, or a Colt Police Positive maybe, I would need a bigger pic. :( Wow, is that Max's new model? I guess enough people fussed about the original bald-bearded angry Mexican design. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:07, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
::This game's been in development so long that beardy Max died before he could be in it and this is his brother Ernie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:37, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Apparently, both Max's are in the game, baldy, and hairy, supposedly hairy Max is in flash backs, but hopefully, baldy Max is only played during an under cover level then you switch back to hairy max, if that's not the case, might as well rename him Bruce Willis. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:54, 21 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Actually, now that I've looked at the pics more, I don't see much wrong with his new model (both hairy Max and baldy Max) because I can still see his original face from when he was younger. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:00, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::His face has changed 3 times, i.e in every game max looks different, so I dont recognize him. There are a few new screens on the official max payne 3 page, including the one above but in better resolution... might help to identify the revolver. - Scott, 23. April, happy holidays!!!

My guess is that it is a Smith and Wesson, 44 special; either a Triple lock, or a Hand Ejector III, Model of 1926. Another possiblity is that it is a more modern reproduction 44 Special, a Model 21. It could be a 38/44 Heavy Duty (38 Special), or finally a Model 22 (.45 ACP with moon clips). Those are all the Smiths that have a half moon front sight and a barrel partial underlug (shrouded ejector). Model 10's lack the ejector shroud, and there are no .357's or .44 magnums with a half moon front sight. In fact, no "magnum" capable revolvers at all have a half moon front sight. The gun is also pretty big, representing an N frame. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011.
:My guess is a Smith & Wesson Model 20. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:05, 11 May 2011 (CDT)
Well the Model 20 is essentially the same as the 38/44 Heavy Duty, but after 1957 it was assigned a Model number rather than the title "Heavy Duty". It fires a .38 caliber bullet but was built on the Hand Ejector .44 Special (N) frame, in order to accomodate the "High Velocity" .38 Special cartridge, which was the precursor to the .357 magnum (hence the term, 38/44). One reason that I don't believe the picture is a Model 21 is that the grip appears to be a square butt, whereas the grip of a Model 21 is round. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011

I studied the picture more closely with it zoomed in. You can make out the size of the bore, and it is undoubtedly a big caliber. This would tend to rule out the 38/44 or Model 20. I would have to go with either a .44 Special or a .45. There are heavy duties out there converted to .45 long colt, however. Axel Kane, 12 May 2011

It could be a .44 Special of 1950, which is a "Pre Model 21", different from the Model 21 in that it has a square butt grip. In any case, it appears to be one of the "Hand Ejector series", characterized by an N frame, "pencil" barrel, half moon front sight, "duty", or fixed, rear sight, shrouded ejector, and a magna style grip with a square butt. Axel Kane, 14 May 2011.

== Glock ==
I changed the G17 to G18 because on the first picture that is clearly a G18. I highly doubt that there will be a G18 '''and''' a G17, especially a G17+G18 akimbo combination. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:11, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Wow, your right, nice catch. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:41, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

== Unknown SMG ==

Could that maybe be a [[SIG SG 540#FAMAE SAF|FAMAE SAF]]? Or perhaps the Brazilian version, the Taurus MT-9, considering the setting? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 13:03, 14 September 2011 (CDT)
:I thought it could be a FAMAE as well, but I saw the new trailer "Going After the Girl", and now I don't think so. There are a couple of good shots of this gun in the trailer, and it most closely resembles an MP5/40, although the front site looks like the type found on a FAMAE--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:02, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== 1911 ==

just saw the new gameplay video they released, at about 2:20 to 2:30 you see Max using a 1911 model pistol, i don't know much about guns so i can't identify the specific model, and i don't know how to do a page, so i'll just post the screencap i took, and a link to the video and leave that up to people who are more in the know.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 12:15, 17 November 2011 (CST)

screencap
[IMG]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk125/kornflakes89/6461a05d.jpg[/IMG]

link to video
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

:Looks like a run-of-the-mill Colt M1911. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:36, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== unknown handgun ==
I just saw a trailer for the game and in one scene he seems to have a revolver of some sort in his holster. From what I can see of the barrel it appears to be a Colt Anaconda. I don't know how to add photos to this site so here is a link to the video. Go to 3:10 to see the gun.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

== Gotta love the details ==

Just the length Rockstar goes to get the details right, moving slides, realistic shell casings, the bullets themselves, etc.

== Another unknown smg ==
[[File:MaxPayne3SMG.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:: Something in the vein of Tec-9... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:11, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:::I looked at a larger version of this screen on Shacknews, and I'm pretty sure the SMGs are Beretta M-12s/Taurus MT-12s, only it appears the foregrips have been removed. I was hoping the Beretta M12 would be in this game, but now I'm kind of annoyed after seeing the cosmetic change made to it. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when game designers modify the appearance of a gun for no good reason. Why do they do this? Is it due to legal reasons?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:46, 5 January 2012 (CST)

== FX-05 Xiuhcoatl==
Are we sure it's not just a deformed G36KV? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:18, 18 February 2012 (CST)
:I think you're right, considering that the name of the weapon in the game is "G6". A rather thinly disguised alteration of the G36 designation!--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:07, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::No, it's an FX05. Which is a G36 in disguise. The safety is the giveaway.-protoAuthor 16:08, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:Upon further looking... Eh... Maybe...-protoAuthor 16:17, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::I'd say deformed G36, personally. Also, the FX05 is not a G36 in disguise, no matter what HK's legal team would have people believe. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:38, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:I guess I should say a G36 Cosplayer or something, since the internals are different.-protoAuthor 19:12, 19 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Maybe it's a hybrid between an H&K G36 of the Bundeswehr (Long Barrel) and a FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (dual row Air Intakes), with the Carrying Handle from an H&K SL8; the real matter is about the Assault Scope, which looks to be from the SL8 or fully Fictional...
Very reliable Weapons, both G36 and FX-05, but I would have chosen the newer Taurus ART-556 Carbine."

== Taurus Revolver ==
I changed the designation of the Taurus revolver from "Raging Bull" to the Model 608. After watching this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxziisVZ4w8 Weapons Trailer] on YouTube it's obvious it's intended to be a Model 608.

Make sure to check out the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpOk2X2Kqc Going After the Girl Trailer] as well. There are good shots of the unidentified submachine gun, which IMO mostly looks like a MP5/40, and there's a shot of gangsters holding the unknown revolver that caused so much debate as to its identity. I also noticed that in a couple of shots the Mini-Uzi has it's stock, while most of the time it's shown without it. So are the developers going to leave the stock on or off? I'd rather it's left on as I think it looks better that way--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:48, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== Mini 30 ==

Got a [http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/weapons/mini30 new weapon] announced.

Talk:Max Payne 3

2012-02-25T12:29:39Z

Scarlighter: /* FX-05 */

==The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol==
I wonder if it will make an appearance in ''Max Payne 3'' as a usable gun. [[Special:Contributions/203.59.124.247|203.59.124.247]] 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

==Unidentified guns==
[[Image:Mp3gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3guns2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Is either an Inox or Desert Eagle]]
:The Pistol Payne is holding in the first picture is an Desert Eagle. I don't know what that shotgun is though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== AK47 ==

I've just re-examined the six released pictures with the visual equivalent of a fine tooth pick, and can't see an AK47 anywhere. All the gangsters clearly have single-handed weapons - though I would put my last buck on there being an AK varient in-game, there is currently no visual proof at all, so I've deleted the section. If someone would point it out to me, I will be more than glad to re-do the AK47 section I've just deleted.
Take care and remember to eat all your veggies. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 02:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::Appologies everyone, I just been doing some research, and there is a picture of an AK-47 in the Game Informer Magazine's section on Max Payne 3, not the actual released photos. Here is the Link: http://www.gossipgamers.com/max-payne-3-details-high-res-scans/ [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 15:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Pictures uploaded by user ''SB2296''. Thanks very much for that my friend. :) [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 21:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Taurus PT92 ==
I think the Beretta 92FS's may be Taurus PT92's.Needs confirmation.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]
[[Image:Mp3deagle92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Mp3guns1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
*So when did Max turn into Charlie Bronson with a big stupid beard? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:When he went to Sao Paulo to kick some Brazilian Ass and take names that's when.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::12 long years of alcoholism and painkiller addiction and abuse (hah, never though I'd see this day coming. I was thinking that the first time I started playing the Max Payne demo and seeing how many painkillers he consumes), that's when. :D [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
: HEY! Don't bad mouth Bronson. If he were alive to hear you, he would tear your lungs out-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Wrong Bronson. I was talking about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson_%28prisoner%29 this one]. Stick "Charlie Bronson" (not Charles) into Google and you'll see what I mean in the image results; he is a bald man who is huge and typically has an enormous silly beard. He looks sort of like a real-life Doctor Robotnik. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 16:03, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

:: By the way, I think that's a MAC-11, not 10. Either that or Max's hands are HUGE. -protoAuthor
:::I think it' a Mac-11 too, because of those horizintal lines on the sides of the gun. I'm no gun expert, but I'm sure they're only on a Mac-11 - I was checking what it was just the other day on wikipedia. TC. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Unknown Revolver ==
[[Image:MP3-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Does anyone know which chrome revolver is that in Max's left hand?Looks like a Taurus but the image is too small to guess the correct one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:19, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:Could be a Smith & Wesson of sort, or a Colt Police Positive maybe, I would need a bigger pic. :( Wow, is that Max's new model? I guess enough people fussed about the original bald-bearded angry Mexican design. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:07, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
::This game's been in development so long that beardy Max died before he could be in it and this is his brother Ernie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:37, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Apparently, both Max's are in the game, baldy, and hairy, supposedly hairy Max is in flash backs, but hopefully, baldy Max is only played during an under cover level then you switch back to hairy max, if that's not the case, might as well rename him Bruce Willis. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:54, 21 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Actually, now that I've looked at the pics more, I don't see much wrong with his new model (both hairy Max and baldy Max) because I can still see his original face from when he was younger. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:00, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::His face has changed 3 times, i.e in every game max looks different, so I dont recognize him. There are a few new screens on the official max payne 3 page, including the one above but in better resolution... might help to identify the revolver. - Scott, 23. April, happy holidays!!!

My guess is that it is a Smith and Wesson, 44 special; either a Triple lock, or a Hand Ejector III, Model of 1926. Another possiblity is that it is a more modern reproduction 44 Special, a Model 21. It could be a 38/44 Heavy Duty (38 Special), or finally a Model 22 (.45 ACP with moon clips). Those are all the Smiths that have a half moon front sight and a barrel partial underlug (shrouded ejector). Model 10's lack the ejector shroud, and there are no .357's or .44 magnums with a half moon front sight. In fact, no "magnum" capable revolvers at all have a half moon front sight. The gun is also pretty big, representing an N frame. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011.
:My guess is a Smith & Wesson Model 20. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:05, 11 May 2011 (CDT)
Well the Model 20 is essentially the same as the 38/44 Heavy Duty, but after 1957 it was assigned a Model number rather than the title "Heavy Duty". It fires a .38 caliber bullet but was built on the Hand Ejector .44 Special (N) frame, in order to accomodate the "High Velocity" .38 Special cartridge, which was the precursor to the .357 magnum (hence the term, 38/44). One reason that I don't believe the picture is a Model 21 is that the grip appears to be a square butt, whereas the grip of a Model 21 is round. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011

I studied the picture more closely with it zoomed in. You can make out the size of the bore, and it is undoubtedly a big caliber. This would tend to rule out the 38/44 or Model 20. I would have to go with either a .44 Special or a .45. There are heavy duties out there converted to .45 long colt, however. Axel Kane, 12 May 2011

It could be a .44 Special of 1950, which is a "Pre Model 21", different from the Model 21 in that it has a square butt grip. In any case, it appears to be one of the "Hand Ejector series", characterized by an N frame, "pencil" barrel, half moon front sight, "duty", or fixed, rear sight, shrouded ejector, and a magna style grip with a square butt. Axel Kane, 14 May 2011.

== Glock ==
I changed the G17 to G18 because on the first picture that is clearly a G18. I highly doubt that there will be a G18 '''and''' a G17, especially a G17+G18 akimbo combination. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:11, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Wow, your right, nice catch. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:41, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

== Unknown SMG ==

Could that maybe be a [[SIG SG 540#FAMAE SAF|FAMAE SAF]]? Or perhaps the Brazilian version, the Taurus MT-9, considering the setting? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 13:03, 14 September 2011 (CDT)
:I thought it could be a FAMAE as well, but I saw the new trailer "Going After the Girl", and now I don't think so. There are a couple of good shots of this gun in the trailer, and it most closely resembles an MP5/40, although the front site looks like the type found on a FAMAE--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:02, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== 1911 ==

just saw the new gameplay video they released, at about 2:20 to 2:30 you see Max using a 1911 model pistol, i don't know much about guns so i can't identify the specific model, and i don't know how to do a page, so i'll just post the screencap i took, and a link to the video and leave that up to people who are more in the know.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 12:15, 17 November 2011 (CST)

screencap
[IMG]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk125/kornflakes89/6461a05d.jpg[/IMG]

link to video
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

:Looks like a run-of-the-mill Colt M1911. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:36, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== unknown handgun ==
I just saw a trailer for the game and in one scene he seems to have a revolver of some sort in his holster. From what I can see of the barrel it appears to be a Colt Anaconda. I don't know how to add photos to this site so here is a link to the video. Go to 3:10 to see the gun.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

== Gotta love the details ==

Just the length Rockstar goes to get the details right, moving slides, realistic shell casings, the bullets themselves, etc.

== Another unknown smg ==
[[File:MaxPayne3SMG.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:: Something in the vein of Tec-9... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:11, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:::I looked at a larger version of this screen on Shacknews, and I'm pretty sure the SMGs are Beretta M-12s/Taurus MT-12s, only it appears the foregrips have been removed. I was hoping the Beretta M12 would be in this game, but now I'm kind of annoyed after seeing the cosmetic change made to it. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when game designers modify the appearance of a gun for no good reason. Why do they do this? Is it due to legal reasons?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:46, 5 January 2012 (CST)

== FX-05 Xiuhcoatl==
Are we sure it's not just a deformed G36KV? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:18, 18 February 2012 (CST)
:I think you're right, considering that the name of the weapon in the game is "G6". A rather thinly disguised alteration of the G36 designation!--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:07, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::No, it's an FX05. Which is a G36 in disguise. The safety is the giveaway.-protoAuthor 16:08, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:Upon further looking... Eh... Maybe...-protoAuthor 16:17, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::I'd say deformed G36, personally. Also, the FX05 is not a G36 in disguise, no matter what HK's legal team would have people believe. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:38, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:I guess I should say a G36 Cosplayer or something, since the internals are different.-protoAuthor 19:12, 19 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Maybe it's a hybrid between an H&K G36 of the Bundeswehr (Long Barrel) and a FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (dual row Air Intakes), with the Carrying Handle from an H&K SL8; the real matter is about the Assault Scope, which looks to be from the SL8 or fully Fictional... ."

== Taurus Revolver ==
I changed the designation of the Taurus revolver from "Raging Bull" to the Model 608. After watching this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxziisVZ4w8 Weapons Trailer] on YouTube it's obvious it's intended to be a Model 608.

Make sure to check out the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpOk2X2Kqc Going After the Girl Trailer] as well. There are good shots of the unidentified submachine gun, which IMO mostly looks like a MP5/40, and there's a shot of gangsters holding the unknown revolver that caused so much debate as to its identity. I also noticed that in a couple of shots the Mini-Uzi has it's stock, while most of the time it's shown without it. So are the developers going to leave the stock on or off? I'd rather it's left on as I think it looks better that way--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:48, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== Mini 30 ==

Got a [http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/weapons/mini30 new weapon] announced.

Talk:Max Payne 3

2012-02-25T12:29:15Z

Scarlighter: /* FX-05 */

==The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol==
I wonder if it will make an appearance in ''Max Payne 3'' as a usable gun. [[Special:Contributions/203.59.124.247|203.59.124.247]] 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

==Unidentified guns==
[[Image:Mp3gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3guns2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Is either an Inox or Desert Eagle]]
:The Pistol Payne is holding in the first picture is an Desert Eagle. I don't know what that shotgun is though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== AK47 ==

I've just re-examined the six released pictures with the visual equivalent of a fine tooth pick, and can't see an AK47 anywhere. All the gangsters clearly have single-handed weapons - though I would put my last buck on there being an AK varient in-game, there is currently no visual proof at all, so I've deleted the section. If someone would point it out to me, I will be more than glad to re-do the AK47 section I've just deleted.
Take care and remember to eat all your veggies. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 02:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::Appologies everyone, I just been doing some research, and there is a picture of an AK-47 in the Game Informer Magazine's section on Max Payne 3, not the actual released photos. Here is the Link: http://www.gossipgamers.com/max-payne-3-details-high-res-scans/ [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 15:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Pictures uploaded by user ''SB2296''. Thanks very much for that my friend. :) [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 21:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Taurus PT92 ==
I think the Beretta 92FS's may be Taurus PT92's.Needs confirmation.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]
[[Image:Mp3deagle92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Mp3guns1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
*So when did Max turn into Charlie Bronson with a big stupid beard? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:When he went to Sao Paulo to kick some Brazilian Ass and take names that's when.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::12 long years of alcoholism and painkiller addiction and abuse (hah, never though I'd see this day coming. I was thinking that the first time I started playing the Max Payne demo and seeing how many painkillers he consumes), that's when. :D [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
: HEY! Don't bad mouth Bronson. If he were alive to hear you, he would tear your lungs out-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Wrong Bronson. I was talking about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson_%28prisoner%29 this one]. Stick "Charlie Bronson" (not Charles) into Google and you'll see what I mean in the image results; he is a bald man who is huge and typically has an enormous silly beard. He looks sort of like a real-life Doctor Robotnik. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 16:03, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

:: By the way, I think that's a MAC-11, not 10. Either that or Max's hands are HUGE. -protoAuthor
:::I think it' a Mac-11 too, because of those horizintal lines on the sides of the gun. I'm no gun expert, but I'm sure they're only on a Mac-11 - I was checking what it was just the other day on wikipedia. TC. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Unknown Revolver ==
[[Image:MP3-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Does anyone know which chrome revolver is that in Max's left hand?Looks like a Taurus but the image is too small to guess the correct one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:19, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:Could be a Smith & Wesson of sort, or a Colt Police Positive maybe, I would need a bigger pic. :( Wow, is that Max's new model? I guess enough people fussed about the original bald-bearded angry Mexican design. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:07, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
::This game's been in development so long that beardy Max died before he could be in it and this is his brother Ernie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:37, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Apparently, both Max's are in the game, baldy, and hairy, supposedly hairy Max is in flash backs, but hopefully, baldy Max is only played during an under cover level then you switch back to hairy max, if that's not the case, might as well rename him Bruce Willis. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:54, 21 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Actually, now that I've looked at the pics more, I don't see much wrong with his new model (both hairy Max and baldy Max) because I can still see his original face from when he was younger. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:00, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::His face has changed 3 times, i.e in every game max looks different, so I dont recognize him. There are a few new screens on the official max payne 3 page, including the one above but in better resolution... might help to identify the revolver. - Scott, 23. April, happy holidays!!!

My guess is that it is a Smith and Wesson, 44 special; either a Triple lock, or a Hand Ejector III, Model of 1926. Another possiblity is that it is a more modern reproduction 44 Special, a Model 21. It could be a 38/44 Heavy Duty (38 Special), or finally a Model 22 (.45 ACP with moon clips). Those are all the Smiths that have a half moon front sight and a barrel partial underlug (shrouded ejector). Model 10's lack the ejector shroud, and there are no .357's or .44 magnums with a half moon front sight. In fact, no "magnum" capable revolvers at all have a half moon front sight. The gun is also pretty big, representing an N frame. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011.
:My guess is a Smith & Wesson Model 20. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:05, 11 May 2011 (CDT)
Well the Model 20 is essentially the same as the 38/44 Heavy Duty, but after 1957 it was assigned a Model number rather than the title "Heavy Duty". It fires a .38 caliber bullet but was built on the Hand Ejector .44 Special (N) frame, in order to accomodate the "High Velocity" .38 Special cartridge, which was the precursor to the .357 magnum (hence the term, 38/44). One reason that I don't believe the picture is a Model 21 is that the grip appears to be a square butt, whereas the grip of a Model 21 is round. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011

I studied the picture more closely with it zoomed in. You can make out the size of the bore, and it is undoubtedly a big caliber. This would tend to rule out the 38/44 or Model 20. I would have to go with either a .44 Special or a .45. There are heavy duties out there converted to .45 long colt, however. Axel Kane, 12 May 2011

It could be a .44 Special of 1950, which is a "Pre Model 21", different from the Model 21 in that it has a square butt grip. In any case, it appears to be one of the "Hand Ejector series", characterized by an N frame, "pencil" barrel, half moon front sight, "duty", or fixed, rear sight, shrouded ejector, and a magna style grip with a square butt. Axel Kane, 14 May 2011.

== Glock ==
I changed the G17 to G18 because on the first picture that is clearly a G18. I highly doubt that there will be a G18 '''and''' a G17, especially a G17+G18 akimbo combination. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:11, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Wow, your right, nice catch. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:41, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

== Unknown SMG ==

Could that maybe be a [[SIG SG 540#FAMAE SAF|FAMAE SAF]]? Or perhaps the Brazilian version, the Taurus MT-9, considering the setting? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 13:03, 14 September 2011 (CDT)
:I thought it could be a FAMAE as well, but I saw the new trailer "Going After the Girl", and now I don't think so. There are a couple of good shots of this gun in the trailer, and it most closely resembles an MP5/40, although the front site looks like the type found on a FAMAE--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:02, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== 1911 ==

just saw the new gameplay video they released, at about 2:20 to 2:30 you see Max using a 1911 model pistol, i don't know much about guns so i can't identify the specific model, and i don't know how to do a page, so i'll just post the screencap i took, and a link to the video and leave that up to people who are more in the know.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 12:15, 17 November 2011 (CST)

screencap
[IMG]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk125/kornflakes89/6461a05d.jpg[/IMG]

link to video
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

:Looks like a run-of-the-mill Colt M1911. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:36, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== unknown handgun ==
I just saw a trailer for the game and in one scene he seems to have a revolver of some sort in his holster. From what I can see of the barrel it appears to be a Colt Anaconda. I don't know how to add photos to this site so here is a link to the video. Go to 3:10 to see the gun.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

== Gotta love the details ==

Just the length Rockstar goes to get the details right, moving slides, realistic shell casings, the bullets themselves, etc.

== Another unknown smg ==
[[File:MaxPayne3SMG.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:: Something in the vein of Tec-9... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:11, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:::I looked at a larger version of this screen on Shacknews, and I'm pretty sure the SMGs are Beretta M-12s/Taurus MT-12s, only it appears the foregrips have been removed. I was hoping the Beretta M12 would be in this game, but now I'm kind of annoyed after seeing the cosmetic change made to it. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when game designers modify the appearance of a gun for no good reason. Why do they do this? Is it due to legal reasons?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:46, 5 January 2012 (CST)

== FX-05 ==
Are we sure it's not just a deformed G36KV? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:18, 18 February 2012 (CST)
:I think you're right, considering that the name of the weapon in the game is "G6". A rather thinly disguised alteration of the G36 designation!--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:07, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::No, it's an FX05. Which is a G36 in disguise. The safety is the giveaway.-protoAuthor 16:08, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:Upon further looking... Eh... Maybe...-protoAuthor 16:17, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::I'd say deformed G36, personally. Also, the FX05 is not a G36 in disguise, no matter what HK's legal team would have people believe. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:38, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:I guess I should say a G36 Cosplayer or something, since the internals are different.-protoAuthor 19:12, 19 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Maybe it's a hybrid between an H&K G36 of the Bundeswehr (Long Barrel) and a FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (dual row Air Intakes), with the Carrying Handle from an H&K SL8; the real matter is about the Assault Scope, which looks to be from the SL8 or fully Fictional... ."

== Taurus Revolver ==
I changed the designation of the Taurus revolver from "Raging Bull" to the Model 608. After watching this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxziisVZ4w8 Weapons Trailer] on YouTube it's obvious it's intended to be a Model 608.

Make sure to check out the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpOk2X2Kqc Going After the Girl Trailer] as well. There are good shots of the unidentified submachine gun, which IMO mostly looks like a MP5/40, and there's a shot of gangsters holding the unknown revolver that caused so much debate as to its identity. I also noticed that in a couple of shots the Mini-Uzi has it's stock, while most of the time it's shown without it. So are the developers going to leave the stock on or off? I'd rather it's left on as I think it looks better that way--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:48, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== Mini 30 ==

Got a [http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/weapons/mini30 new weapon] announced.

Talk:Max Payne 3

2012-02-25T12:28:31Z

Scarlighter: /* FX-05 */

==The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol==
I wonder if it will make an appearance in ''Max Payne 3'' as a usable gun. [[Special:Contributions/203.59.124.247|203.59.124.247]] 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

==Unidentified guns==
[[Image:Mp3gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3guns2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Is either an Inox or Desert Eagle]]
:The Pistol Payne is holding in the first picture is an Desert Eagle. I don't know what that shotgun is though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== AK47 ==

I've just re-examined the six released pictures with the visual equivalent of a fine tooth pick, and can't see an AK47 anywhere. All the gangsters clearly have single-handed weapons - though I would put my last buck on there being an AK varient in-game, there is currently no visual proof at all, so I've deleted the section. If someone would point it out to me, I will be more than glad to re-do the AK47 section I've just deleted.
Take care and remember to eat all your veggies. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 02:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::Appologies everyone, I just been doing some research, and there is a picture of an AK-47 in the Game Informer Magazine's section on Max Payne 3, not the actual released photos. Here is the Link: http://www.gossipgamers.com/max-payne-3-details-high-res-scans/ [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 15:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Pictures uploaded by user ''SB2296''. Thanks very much for that my friend. :) [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 21:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Taurus PT92 ==
I think the Beretta 92FS's may be Taurus PT92's.Needs confirmation.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]
[[Image:Mp3deagle92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Mp3guns1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
*So when did Max turn into Charlie Bronson with a big stupid beard? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:When he went to Sao Paulo to kick some Brazilian Ass and take names that's when.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::12 long years of alcoholism and painkiller addiction and abuse (hah, never though I'd see this day coming. I was thinking that the first time I started playing the Max Payne demo and seeing how many painkillers he consumes), that's when. :D [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
: HEY! Don't bad mouth Bronson. If he were alive to hear you, he would tear your lungs out-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Wrong Bronson. I was talking about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson_%28prisoner%29 this one]. Stick "Charlie Bronson" (not Charles) into Google and you'll see what I mean in the image results; he is a bald man who is huge and typically has an enormous silly beard. He looks sort of like a real-life Doctor Robotnik. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 16:03, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

:: By the way, I think that's a MAC-11, not 10. Either that or Max's hands are HUGE. -protoAuthor
:::I think it' a Mac-11 too, because of those horizintal lines on the sides of the gun. I'm no gun expert, but I'm sure they're only on a Mac-11 - I was checking what it was just the other day on wikipedia. TC. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Unknown Revolver ==
[[Image:MP3-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Does anyone know which chrome revolver is that in Max's left hand?Looks like a Taurus but the image is too small to guess the correct one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:19, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:Could be a Smith & Wesson of sort, or a Colt Police Positive maybe, I would need a bigger pic. :( Wow, is that Max's new model? I guess enough people fussed about the original bald-bearded angry Mexican design. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:07, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
::This game's been in development so long that beardy Max died before he could be in it and this is his brother Ernie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:37, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Apparently, both Max's are in the game, baldy, and hairy, supposedly hairy Max is in flash backs, but hopefully, baldy Max is only played during an under cover level then you switch back to hairy max, if that's not the case, might as well rename him Bruce Willis. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:54, 21 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Actually, now that I've looked at the pics more, I don't see much wrong with his new model (both hairy Max and baldy Max) because I can still see his original face from when he was younger. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:00, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::His face has changed 3 times, i.e in every game max looks different, so I dont recognize him. There are a few new screens on the official max payne 3 page, including the one above but in better resolution... might help to identify the revolver. - Scott, 23. April, happy holidays!!!

My guess is that it is a Smith and Wesson, 44 special; either a Triple lock, or a Hand Ejector III, Model of 1926. Another possiblity is that it is a more modern reproduction 44 Special, a Model 21. It could be a 38/44 Heavy Duty (38 Special), or finally a Model 22 (.45 ACP with moon clips). Those are all the Smiths that have a half moon front sight and a barrel partial underlug (shrouded ejector). Model 10's lack the ejector shroud, and there are no .357's or .44 magnums with a half moon front sight. In fact, no "magnum" capable revolvers at all have a half moon front sight. The gun is also pretty big, representing an N frame. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011.
:My guess is a Smith & Wesson Model 20. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:05, 11 May 2011 (CDT)
Well the Model 20 is essentially the same as the 38/44 Heavy Duty, but after 1957 it was assigned a Model number rather than the title "Heavy Duty". It fires a .38 caliber bullet but was built on the Hand Ejector .44 Special (N) frame, in order to accomodate the "High Velocity" .38 Special cartridge, which was the precursor to the .357 magnum (hence the term, 38/44). One reason that I don't believe the picture is a Model 21 is that the grip appears to be a square butt, whereas the grip of a Model 21 is round. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011

I studied the picture more closely with it zoomed in. You can make out the size of the bore, and it is undoubtedly a big caliber. This would tend to rule out the 38/44 or Model 20. I would have to go with either a .44 Special or a .45. There are heavy duties out there converted to .45 long colt, however. Axel Kane, 12 May 2011

It could be a .44 Special of 1950, which is a "Pre Model 21", different from the Model 21 in that it has a square butt grip. In any case, it appears to be one of the "Hand Ejector series", characterized by an N frame, "pencil" barrel, half moon front sight, "duty", or fixed, rear sight, shrouded ejector, and a magna style grip with a square butt. Axel Kane, 14 May 2011.

== Glock ==
I changed the G17 to G18 because on the first picture that is clearly a G18. I highly doubt that there will be a G18 '''and''' a G17, especially a G17+G18 akimbo combination. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:11, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Wow, your right, nice catch. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:41, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

== Unknown SMG ==

Could that maybe be a [[SIG SG 540#FAMAE SAF|FAMAE SAF]]? Or perhaps the Brazilian version, the Taurus MT-9, considering the setting? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 13:03, 14 September 2011 (CDT)
:I thought it could be a FAMAE as well, but I saw the new trailer "Going After the Girl", and now I don't think so. There are a couple of good shots of this gun in the trailer, and it most closely resembles an MP5/40, although the front site looks like the type found on a FAMAE--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:02, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== 1911 ==

just saw the new gameplay video they released, at about 2:20 to 2:30 you see Max using a 1911 model pistol, i don't know much about guns so i can't identify the specific model, and i don't know how to do a page, so i'll just post the screencap i took, and a link to the video and leave that up to people who are more in the know.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 12:15, 17 November 2011 (CST)

screencap
[IMG]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk125/kornflakes89/6461a05d.jpg[/IMG]

link to video
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

:Looks like a run-of-the-mill Colt M1911. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:36, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== unknown handgun ==
I just saw a trailer for the game and in one scene he seems to have a revolver of some sort in his holster. From what I can see of the barrel it appears to be a Colt Anaconda. I don't know how to add photos to this site so here is a link to the video. Go to 3:10 to see the gun.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

== Gotta love the details ==

Just the length Rockstar goes to get the details right, moving slides, realistic shell casings, the bullets themselves, etc.

== Another unknown smg ==
[[File:MaxPayne3SMG.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:: Something in the vein of Tec-9... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:11, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:::I looked at a larger version of this screen on Shacknews, and I'm pretty sure the SMGs are Beretta M-12s/Taurus MT-12s, only it appears the foregrips have been removed. I was hoping the Beretta M12 would be in this game, but now I'm kind of annoyed after seeing the cosmetic change made to it. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when game designers modify the appearance of a gun for no good reason. Why do they do this? Is it due to legal reasons?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:46, 5 January 2012 (CST)

== FX-05 ==
Are we sure it's not just a deformed G36KV? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:18, 18 February 2012 (CST)
:I think you're right, considering that the name of the weapon in the game is "G6". A rather thinly disguised alteration of the G36 designation!--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:07, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::No, it's an FX05. Which is a G36 in disguise. The safety is the giveaway.-protoAuthor 16:08, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:Upon further looking... Eh... Maybe...-protoAuthor 16:17, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::I'd say deformed G36, personally. Also, the FX05 is not a G36 in disguise, no matter what HK's legal team would have people believe. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:38, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:I guess I should say a G36 Cosplayer or something, since the internals are different.-protoAuthor 19:12, 19 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Maybe it's a hybrid between an H&K G36 of the Bundeswehr (Long Barrel) and a FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (dual row Air Intakes), with the Carrying Handle from an H&K SL8; the real matter is about the Assault Scope, which looks to be from the SL8 or fully fictional... ."

== Taurus Revolver ==
I changed the designation of the Taurus revolver from "Raging Bull" to the Model 608. After watching this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxziisVZ4w8 Weapons Trailer] on YouTube it's obvious it's intended to be a Model 608.

Make sure to check out the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpOk2X2Kqc Going After the Girl Trailer] as well. There are good shots of the unidentified submachine gun, which IMO mostly looks like a MP5/40, and there's a shot of gangsters holding the unknown revolver that caused so much debate as to its identity. I also noticed that in a couple of shots the Mini-Uzi has it's stock, while most of the time it's shown without it. So are the developers going to leave the stock on or off? I'd rather it's left on as I think it looks better that way--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:48, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== Mini 30 ==

Got a [http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/weapons/mini30 new weapon] announced.

Talk:Ghost Recon: Future Soldier

2012-02-25T12:09:30Z

Scarlighter: /* MR-B Assault Rifle */

==Sorry guys==
My computer is running slowly so there is a marked delay in what I type and what page shows up. I did a boo boo because I was on the main VG page and then clicked on the discussion page and my PC took so long to click over I thought the Discussion page WAS the main page. That's what I get for trying to edit quickly when I'm multi-tasking. Apologies. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

==Fictional Weaponry==

===MR-B Assault Rifle===
The bullpup assault rifle has a built-in shotgun under the barrel, and the overall design has a faint resemblance with [[IMI Tavor TAR-21]]. It is used by Ghost Recon operatives.
[[Image:GRFS-AR-3.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Fiction Bullpup Assault Rifle, 5.56 Uranium]]
For a magnified version of the upper image:
[http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/108/1083040/ghost-recon-future-soldier-first-look-20100412054623239.jpg]
[[Image:GRFW-AR.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:GRFW-AR-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

These look a little like Magpul PDR's to me.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 16:01, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"A Fictional/Futuristic Bullpup Multi-Purpose Assault Rifle which, on my opinion, shares only few parts from other Weapons:
the most evident is the Pistol Grip, identical to that of the P90 SMG; the rear part of the Upper Receiver, which would be used as a Cheek Rest, features on the left side of the Weapon (see the first image and magnification) three "Air Intakes" which resemble those appearing on some Handguards (H&K G36, Enfield L85,...).
I believe it is well assembled, but too bulky and heavy, so less maneuverable, and this is a paradox for a Bullpup Weapon! It shouldn't include the "Disputor Shotgun", but as an Underbarrel Attachment! And what is that "Titanium Hook" for? Grappling? If so, it would be very useful, and even more if it were an Accessory, not an integrated part of the Weapon, which is actually a Weapon System.
I hope they will make some changes to the final release of both the Game (that has been postponed to 22 May for the North America and 24 May for the EU) and the Weapon..."

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Oops, I almost forgot another interesting detail: the "Hologram Sight", which perhaps in 2030 will replace the Red Dot Sight as a Standard Equipment... or just walk next to it."

===Fictional Assault Rifle #2===
Seems to be based on the [[OTs-14 Groza]] with a AR-15 carry handle. Used by the Ultranationalists and their leader Ivan Illitch Kerenski.

==But Groza has AR-15 style carry handle? So why it's fictional? ripp

==Agreed, aside from a few attachments those are perfectly normal Grozas; which makes sense being in the hands of riot police, as it was designed as a close combat weapon, and the ultranationalists that now own the police. I support this being moved to the main page unless its confirmed it will not appear in the game but only the trailer. - Anon
[[Image:GRFW-AR2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:GRFW-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:GRFW-AR2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

These just ook like AN-91's to me. Not sure they're fictional. --[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 16:03, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

===Fictional Grenade Launcher===
It used by Russian Ultranationalist Forces to fire tear gas shells at the mob. Seems to have been inspired by the [[Brügger & Thomet GL-06]].
[[Image:GRFW-GL.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

===Backpack Rocket Launcher===
[[Image:GRFW-RL.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Nice... I want some of them; it looks like it was for an Iron Man Armor!!!!
What about "Dual-Wielding" it, on both sides of the Backpack?"

==Plot and set-up of this game?==

Is Scott Mitchell, the player character from Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, making a comeback in this game? Will there be a different version for the PC players this time too, as was the case for GRAW2? I like those kinds of "enhanced PC ports" that take full advantage of mouse and keyboard and possibly better hardware as well.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

==Not looking good so far...==
It's not the Sci-Fi..ness that gets to me, I mean it bothers me but I could get past it. They could be Jedis and I might still like this(might, but probably not), but what I can't get past is that these designs are just UGLY! DX [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]

I've been a big fan of Ghost Recon ever since I played the original back in the day (and even liked both Advanced Warfighters, despite the largely mixed reviews they got), but this one is beginning to look ''too much'' like ''Halo'' for my comfort. Fictional weapons, optic camouflage, ''backpack-mounted rocket pods''? What's next, Master Chief armored suits? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Well it's in the discussion section, so it's not too much of a problem [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Good point. Why does the "future" always involve wildly complex electronics, invisibility, and stupid-looking weapons? Maybe the developers started thinking the whole "Future warrior" project and thought it might actually work. In GRAW2, I usually go for the SCAR-L or HK416, with MP5SD secondary and the Mk46 for my support. I don't want or need super-weapons like the melting Xm8 and the doesn't-actualy-exist MR-C. I just hope there's a mission with the enemy sets of an EMP, leaving you with whatever doesn't use electricity. Seriously, optic camo is just dumb. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 13:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

:I think optic camo is the way of the future when it comes to camo. You are invisible to the enemy. Literally invisible. Don't you think that is much more advantageous than just blending in with camo colors? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Another thing - the game is set in "near future" in late 2020's or early 2030's but in my opinion presented technologies are just too modern. Optical camouflage? Miniature "box-of--chocolate-chip-cookies-sized" rocket launchers capable of taking down a MBT in one shot? Oh, come on. Those things are not even in prototype stage yet. And I strongly doubt they would be in 10-15 years. As someone said, this looks much more like HALO than hard-core military FPS. Probably the best was the first "trilogy" - original Ghost Recon + Desert Siege and Island Thunder expansion packs. Plot line was not so shitty (well yeah, we still got the ultranationalists in Russia but ethnic cleansing in Sudan or collapse of Cuban regime were in my opinion quite realistic), you did not have any super cool hi-tech stuff (like AI driven battle robots, predator-like camouflage or laser guided beer can openers) and one 7,62x39mm round from an AK was capable of killing or incapacitating you. It was Advanced Warfighter, which started this "modern technologies" trend. The game was also set in "near future" (in 2014 to be precise) but it was much more "believable". You know, RC controlled drones/recon UAVs - why not? Military uses UAVs extensively even on todays battlefields and there are plans for further development. And speaking about weapons, "Ghost" were still using HK-416s, SCARs, MP-5s, MK-46s and other good "old fashioned" weapons (ok, there were few oversights like MR-C) rather than bullpup carbines firing "uranium" 5,56 rounds. W-T-F is that? What's next - Ghost Recon going Star Wars style aka Attack of mutant Jedi Clones firing lightsabers from their rocket launchers? My point is - Modern technologies? Fine, but at least make it believable. Is there anyone else who would like to see e.g. 6,5x39 or 6,8x43 based weapons and other non-sci-fi stuff rather than railguns, lasers and plasma carbines? [Ragnar]

:Unfortunately, highly realistic FPS games like [[SWAT 4]] are at best a niche market now, and less realistic "futuristic" stuff is wildly popular thanks to the success of shooter series like Halo and Gears of War. Nobody likes getting killed in one shot in a game.

:That said, I did like GRAW2 (though not as much as SWAT 4), and I did like using the XM8 and HK416, as well as the MR-C (HK was working on getting the G11 to work until the Berlin Wall fell, and the other two would be in more general use if it weren't for bureaucratic inertia). Besides, I was thinking that modern military body armour was supposed to stop several 7.62x39mm rounds now.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 16:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:Modern combat vests with ceramic SAPI (Small Arms Protective Insert) plates and soft kevlar inserts are supposed to stop 7,62x39 or even 7,62x54R but they are more like to lower the possibility of life threatening wound/protecting you from getting killed than making you invincible Terminator-like war machine from which bullets just bounce off. Usually, when you are hit you don't rush back into combat (even if the SAPI have stopped the bullet) ... of course when the situation requires you are still able to participate in combat or fight back but it is not like in CoD games (or any other similar FPS with "self healing system") - whoa I was hit into my vest ... lets wait five seconds in cover and we're good to go. [Ragnar - 20:06, 12 May 2010]

:No, I'm not saying I prefer a quick-healing system. I'm just tired of the tendency in certain more realistic games to kill you instantly without telling you where you got shot (which would be believable in places such as through the tactical goggles, or through the face, neck, groin, etc.) when your character are wearing body armour. Many's the time I've been shot dead with one bullet in SWAT 4 by a thug with a 9x19mm pistol, without having been previously injured. Maybe a better system might be to have armour just reduce damage or inflict "consciousness damage" (take too much of that and you are knocked out rather than killed) rather than be treated as health against rounds that are stopped and don't pierce it outright, while each piece of armour is tracked for its "integrity" (or likelihood of stopping/reducing health damage from rounds). That could be more be more realistic and more fun to play with. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Depleted uranium bullets are a real thing, actually they are THROUGH the prototype phase. Its use lies not in the radioactivity, but in its density. DU is used to make both vehicle armour and armour-piercing bullets by the US military already. Optical camo, while not 100% working right now, has been making HUGE steps forward in Japan. You wear it like a raincoat and you look like a strange shadow. Still noticeable, but nearly there. If it was through prototyping RIGHT NOW, they'd probably already be using it. It's not Halo, it's just the future. It's gonna happen, look out. Anyways, the gun makes sense to me, what doesn't is the idea that the US would have changed its main assault rifle again. The M8 outperformed the SCAR and the M4 by a stunning amount in terms of reliability and ease of use, and it still wasn't adopted. If anything, they should have just standardized the MCR from the last game, made it the mainstay weapon and done some variants of it. Or, realistically, they would probably just keep flogging the mp5-m16/m4 horse. Because everyone wants to just play every war game ever made and to ever BE made with the same weapons again and again. Even in the future, when an assault rifle with possibly equal range, more stopping power and a built in breaching shotgun is invented, all taking up half the space of the M4 it is attempting to replace. Progress on the battlefield? Heaven forbid. That said, aesthetically I'm not really a fan of the grips on the gun. Too ergonomic-looking to go with the rest of the rifle's look. [Erk - 05:46, 24 May 2010]

::DU would be pointless in a smallarm because the main advantage of DU is being pyrophoric; it's self-sharpening when it impacts at extremely high velocity, and will usually spontaneously ignite once inside a vehicle. It's just added here because like nuclear bullets are awesome, man (or because they're like really evil and stuff, depending on how the plot goes). In an infantry weapon you'd be better off using tungsten carbide, or just switching back to battle rifles as standard infantry arms for the additional penetration of a fullsize rifle round. The XM8 barely outperformed the SCAR (127 stoppages versus 226, and apparently most of that was due to the STANAG magazine of the SCAR being less reliable than the XM8's proprietary one, not the rifles themselves) and from what I've heard the ridiculous numbers of stoppages from the M4 were in no small part due to deliberate use of unapproved maintenance techniques during testing (in other words, it was about as fair a test as the M14 trials). Regardless, this thing is another OICW: a fat gun trying to cram everything the company thinks a soldier needs into it (in this case seemingly even a can opener), resulting in something nobody in their right mind would carry onto the field. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:14, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

I'm not liking the look of the new assault rifle. It looks like a frankin gun. Too much thrown into one thing to be practical. The bipod is so far from the center that to use it would simply be exposing one self and a built in hook? Seriously it just looks ridiculous. Even if it were built of all polymer which it isn't it would weigh like 20 something pounds. No one would be able to handle this weapon effectively. It looks like they're only a few steps off of throwing the chainsaw bayonet on there for good measure. It all just looks too dumb for me.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

: Yep, that's the problem of most of the fictional/futuristic "cool-looking" weapons. They are not designed for functionality but for looks (also majority of game designers does not have any experience with fire arms ... [sarcasm] if you are lucky they only know that weapons do "boom"[end of sarcasm]). And again, I'm not criticizing all game designers or all fictional firearms - there are few nice (it-looks-it-might-actually-work) examples. If I were designing a fictional firearm for such "near-future" FPS I would base it at least on some current weaponry (like in CRYSIS where they took XM-8 or MP-7 and refitted them a bit) - e.g. something like FN 2000 with prolonged barrel, RIS handguard, EGLM (in my opinion better construction than bulky AG36/M320), AN/PEQ 16 style IR designator, EOTech style holographic sight with magnifier and chambered to 6,5x39 or 6,8x43 ... It would look cool but also believable/functional - far more than that uranium rounds firing peice of crap with "hook" in front of the barrel. [Ragnar - 09:46, 14 May 2010]

: My only problem is that those helmets are fucking ugly and an invitation to catching frag to the brainpan. Why couldn't they use the designs from EndWar? [[Special:Contributions/75.51.147.40|75.51.147.40]] 05:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Seriously. Those helmets are just ridiculously designed. It's not a huge aesthetic thing to have ear covers on helmets. It's almost like they're going out of their way to make things look dumb and practically retarded at the same time. This is I guess the fate that awaits all future settings games. Shame really.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

LoL those are not ear covers those are sky masks or however they're called worn under the helmet they're just white so it looks stupid but they are not ear covers.

The main weapon defiantly looks retarded IMO: Biggest fault for me is the P90-style pistol grip on a weapon that big. That grip works with a lightweight weapon like the P90, not with a fuck-off big gun like that. And a titanium hook? What the hell would you use that for? Also, am I the only one who noticed how far back the mag is? There is no room for a conventional bolt in there, as far as I can tell. It sure as hell doesn't look like it's caseless, considering the cocking handle halfway up the weapon. And oh god the holosight looks stupid, at least give it something it projects onto or into, not just magically hovering in the air. If they removed the stupid hook and grip at the front and went with a F2000-style stock, with a conventional magazine and a something that looked like a compact digital sight (think Eotech mixed with the F2000's grenade sight), I might buy its a futuristic OICW... it wouldn't look good but at least kind of plausible. As is it looks like something out of Gears of War. *edit* I just noticed the shotgun's magazine is directly under the side rails, making the rails more or less useless as you can't fit anything to them without getting in the way of the shotgun's mag.

The game has exoskeletons as a dues ex machina answer to the weight of the gear and comm'on DU bullets quick fact A gallon of milk weighs about 8 lbs. A chunk of uranium metal the size of a gallon milk jug weighs over 150 lbs! plz switch to 6.5 ammo a helpful guy

Well, I have to admit, the E3 demos of being able to fully customize the gun down to the gas tubes were rather impressive, lets hope that the weapons now act if they would correctly. However that's the only aspect of the game I'm impressed by so far tho, what the heck was up with that kinect? Sure as hell didn't look like shooting a rifle :P -Kangabox

== M249 Para ==
So am I the first one to catch it hiding in the background of the weapon selection screen or did nobody just bother to add it? ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:44, 10 July 2011 (CDT)
:In the latest kinect trailer they are calling it "LMG MK48", so I think it's an MK48 with a Para stock if that is possible. Or since there will be an option to customize the butt-stocks, maybe fixed ones will be available also. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 03:27, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
::It's possible. Ghost Recon seems to have abandoned the 5.56mm SAWs in favor of the Mark 48 ever since the latter's introduction in GR2: Summit Strike. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:32, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

== Plot? ==
Has anyone heard anything about the plot? I'm wondering if perhaps these Russian ultra-nationalists have any connection to those behind the 2008 Balkan War portrayed in the original Ghost Recon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:37, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'll try to guess the plot.

::''"Oil. But then...'''Not oil!!!1''' And so there was a war and someone probably stole a nuke / quantum computer / EMP device also. Luckily a team of elite made-up special forces led by a tough former something-or-other (cop, Marine, SEAL, hairdresser, etc) with nothing to lose just manage to maneuver the situation to the point nothing is really resolved and a sequel can be blatantly set up for next year."''

:This is a calculated guess from playing other videogames. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:33, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
* :D - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:04, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yup, sounds about right from my experience, too. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:34, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"It is set in 2030, where Russia went to war; The Ghosts (a 4-man Ghost Team consisting of a Commando (Kozak), a Sniper Weapons expert (Pepper), a Reconnaissance expert (30k), and Ghost Lead) will be fighting an ultra-nationalist force that took control of Russia and are invading neighboring countries; they will visit places such as Norway, the Middle East and Asia."
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy%27s_Ghost_Recon:_Future_Soldier#cite_note-joystiq.com-2]

== F this game ==
According to E3 2011 gameplay there will be '''NO''' +1 round in the chamber nor fire-mode selection, also remaining bullets will not be lost when reloading mid-mag. :( I hope they will change it before release otherwise it won't be a real ''tactical'' shooter. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:04, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:Agreed, most shooters nowadays are plagued by COD Virus :( --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:16, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::I'm sorry, but I'm happy as long as a SCAR-L doesn't shoot in tri-burst. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:07, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I don't mind not losing bullets from mid-mag reloads (after all, it's not like reloading with retention is impossible), as long as the magical elves living in my webbing aren't consolidating my used magazines into full ones. Maybe have a display of the mags you're carrying with red / amber / green to indicate roughly how full they are (since your character, unlike you, knows how much they weigh), and perhaps the ability to cycle preference (most full or most empty). Then again, we're talking about a game with an absurd DU-shooting trouser-cannon, so realism was never really going to be on the menu. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:37, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Indicators for magazines is good. But it won't be because of knowing weight (this isn't realism-like Red Orchestra where you don't know the actual amount of bullets in magazine, there is standard ammo-in-mag counter ;) ) it will be for the sake of convenience :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:19, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Well, what I mean is rather than cluttering up the screen with ammo-in-weapon plus 7-15 other numbers, you'd have your number of bullets in the current magazine and then the colour / fill indicators for the others. To be honest, I don't think it's that realistic to have no idea at all how many bullets you have, since your ''character'' is a soldier who should know that kind of thing, and the HUD is just a way of transferring that information to the player. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:25, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::::And since our characters are Ghost Recon operatives with tactical gear (including helmets), for them it ''should'' be natural 8) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:38, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::::My Sci-fi story/game has aliens, wrap drive space ships, and mechs, but the weapons, equipment, and handling of said stuff is so realistic it would make most peoples heads hurt. And their not blaster type weapons. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:27, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, being convincing is in the details of how a weapon is handled rather than necessarily in the setting. Then again, my own FPS / story project isn't as scifi as yours, so there. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:49, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

==KAC Masterkey==
I think it's not a KAC Masterkey because it seems to be a semi auto shotgun.--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 18:51, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 14:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Agree with Flavio: the one in the picture looks a Semi-Auto Underbarrel Shotgun...
Anyways, since the M26 MASS has been recently issued by the US Army ([http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/02/16/army-issues-m26-mass-modular-accessory-shotgun-system/]) as the new Underbarrel Shotgun Attachment and as a new Stand-Alone Shotgun, why would the Ghosts still use the Masterkey, in 2030? They should use a new Underbarrel Shotgun, as for the MR-B Underbarrel Shotgun named "Disputor"..."

:I think the gun that this is actually based on is a fictional shortened version of the [[Benelli_M_Series_Super_90_Shotguns#Benelli_M4|Benelli M4]]. The cap on the end of the magazine tube is quite distinctive, shape of the receiver is the same, and the grip design is similar albeit slightly shortened. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:35, 21 February 2012 (CST)

== AK-12 ==

This is definitely not an AK-12, as that has a totally different shaped upper receiver and a different safety. It looks kind of like what was being reported as the early AK-200 prototype, but that was just a railed AK-74M. This looks more like an AKM with a AK-74 muzzle brake and Tapco folding stock and new furniture. Also, seeing as this final version of the AK-12 was only unveiled a couple of days ago, it seems very unlikely that is what this gun is based on. Also, that isn't one of the new 60 round magazines, it is a Tapco magazine that has been bulged out to look like a 60. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:51, 29 January 2012 (CST)
:I don't wish to disrespectfully argue with a more experienced member of the site, but I think the in-game render of the gun 99percently resembles the [http://www.gunblog.com/wp-content/gallery/ak-200-rifle/tmp_dropzone_6f_6748799800_.jpg AK-200]. I noted in the text that it is not the AK-12 but the 200, its prototype version. Maybe it would be wise to add an AK-200 section to the AK-12 page, and put this there. And then note how the final AK-12 looks like for future references. What do you say? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 06:28, 29 January 2012 (CST)
::Granted it does look more like what was touted as the prototype AK-200 than the AK-12, but looking at the gas block and the front sight block, these are both [[AKM]] type rather than [[AK-74]] type, which is what the AK-200 uses. [http://cdn1.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tmp_dropzone_6f_6748799800_tfb-tfb.jpg This] is a picture of what is supposedly the AK-200 prototype, which I believe is just either a AK-74M, AK-101 or AK-103 depending on caliber, fitted with a railed handguard and a railed top cover that is hinged and secured with a side mounted lever rather than the button on the rear. This gun might actually have this last point but can't be sure from this screenshot, but as it has the wrong stock,magazine, gas block and front sight, at best this is an AKM/AK-200 hybrid. I imagine the reason for this is that there are not many photos of the AK-200 and they wouldn't have been able to get their hands on one, so they had to base the majority of the modelling on something else. Either way, ID'ing it as an AK-12 and using an AK-12 photo is inaccurate as, if anything, it is an AK-200. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:54, 29 January 2012 (CST)
:::True. We could use a good pic of the 200 though. Anyways I will add an AK-200 section to the AK-12 page and move it there, ok? (And let's not forget that this is a video game, every small detail on a gun cannot be correct, right? Just scroll through the [[Soldier of Fortune: Payback]] page, and you will see what I am talking about. XD) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:05, 29 January 2012 (CST)
::::Normally I'd think that if there are details wrong that mean it is actually based on another gun then it should be listed as the gun it actually is. However, I'd imagine that in this case they were genuinely trying to make an AK-200, and got tripped up on a couple of minor details due to the fact that there isn't much good reference material for it, so suppose it is fine leaving it as AK-200 for now. If it turns out with better screenshots that the the top cover of this gun is the same as on a traditional gun and it doesn't have the thumb safety on the left side, then it should be changed, as in that case there will be nothing that matches the AK-200. As for the picture, you could put in the AK-103, as that is close to being the same gun as the 7.62x39mm AK-200 (which I'm assuming this is from the magazine curve), just without the rails and new top cover. I wonder if the devs are pissed off that they put in a gun that was being touted by Russia as their future AK, and then when the gun is already made not only do they change the name of it, but it looks totally different to the earlier rifles. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:49, 29 January 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 15:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"As TheFirearmBlog.com reported only few days ago [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/02/16/izhmash-5th-gen-ak-12-photos-and-video/], the AK-200 has been improved and renamed as the AK-12 [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/01/26/kalashnikov-ak-12-unveiled/], being released during this year as the 5th Generation of the original Avtomat Kalashnikova, and in Multiple Calibers. But it doesn't mean that the Ubisoft Team is forced to change thier "AK-200" to the actual "AK-12", as it looks they customized it well, with those Tapco Folding Stock and Fictional "Tapco 60-Round Quad Magazine" (Tapco Industries could think about it...)."

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''Earlier discussions: [[User Talk:Evil Tim/Archive 1]]''

== Gun Brand Pages ==

Yo. So now that at least 2 admins have contributed to the new "Gun Brand Pages" is it safe to say the idea is sticking? I want to keep working on these but I dont want to spend all this time just to have them deleted. I'm still new to this site so whats the procedure for getting this approved by the powers that be? Happy holidays, [[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 08:06, 24 December 2011 (CST)
:Thanks for your help with the [[Heckler & Koch]] page. Any feedback? You like the format? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:46, 25 December 2011 (CST)

== Kampfpistole ==

Thanks for your remarks, they make perfect sense. I did not check my e-mail in the last few minutes so I was totally unaware that somebody else (you) was working on the same page. This way we can keep eachother busy, right? My apologies for driving you crazy!

Reason that I wanted to rename 'Walther Kampfpistole' to a more generic 'Kampfpistole' is that today I read an about the history of this gun. Originally a flare pistol ("Heeresmodell 1934"), from 1943 onwards it was produced by both Walther and Erma as ‘Kamppistole’ (no further numeric nomination) having a big 'Z' on the side indicating that it had 'Zuege' (German for grooves) so that small explosive charges could be fired more accurately. The article did not indicate an original designing manufacturer so I figured removing ‘Walther’ would be the right thing to do. If you say that Walther is indeed the company where it all started, then I can only agree to keep matters as they are.

As for the LP-42, I see what you mean. Problem is that ‘Kampfpistole’ is actually a very generic name simply meaning ‘battle pistol’ (just like ‘assault rifle’ may apply to AK-47 and M16 alike). In this case, both guns are correctly referred to as ‘Kampfpistole’ but they are of completely different design. As such, I would suggest to remove the ‘Kampfpistole Z’ image from the LP-42 page, leave matters as they are and not merge, wouldn’t you agree?

By the way, what do you mean by “please don't edit war, it doesn't help”? I am not aware I have been changing anything else today than the Kampfpistole. Take care, let me know what you think and Merry Christmas, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 10:36, 24 December 2011 (CST)

:Good to see your remarks, be my guest to make changes; I will stay away from the subject for a few days hahaha Not sure of you are aware, but 'Leuchtpistole' is yet another generic nomination. It's German for 'Flare Pistol' so I think it would not be correct to put all 'Leuchtpistols' on one page, not in the least because the designs are very different. Take care, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 10:58, 24 December 2011 (CST)

==Spammer==
Since you are one of the most active admins on this site, here is a spammer I consider banning: [[User:Grishacka1929|Grishacka1929]]. Highlighted in blue is his [[Lifetime asks, contends actual...|contribution]]. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 18:52, 24 December 2011 (CST)

==This guys is crazy==
He's a raving asshat. He's another Liam, save for the fact he does know his 1911s. But he's also being a jerk. Okay, so M1911 is the MILITARY designation, the Colt Govt. Model is the company's name for the pistols they sold to the public. M1911 is used by a lot of people as a generic description for that type of pistol. When I say Commercial M1911, I mean a commercial version of the M1911. There is nothing actually erroneous about that description. But think about it. People KNOW the difference between the M1911 and the M1911A1, they know that there were improvements made between the wars. Just calling them the Govt Model doesn't help people to ultimately get to know the difference. Boy, I sure attract a lot of guys who hate on me. This guy needs anger management. Now if we need to update the descriptions, we can. On his conduct, you were right. His rage makes him an unacceptable element on IMFDB. Doesn't matter how much he knows. If he becomes that abusive that quickly, then he is not the personality type that moves IMFDB forward. Thanks for the note. I think I (we as in you're a mod too) need to come up with a code of conduct that warns people to be polite. There are sites out there that are so deathly afraid of offending someone's sensibilities or their freedom of speech, that they are often held hostage by people who promote bad behavior. We welcome corrections when they are done in the right way. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:20, 25 December 2011 (CST)

==Se7en==
Sorry, but this page is really kind of ruined when the actor's name is mentioned. It's not really vital on this page to know who the actor was that used the weapon is on this page as much as what character used it. I understand that you disagree with a lot of edits that a particular user makes, but I'll be on the case to let the user know if the edits go overboard. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:30, 25 December 2011 (CST)

==Kampfpistole Z==
[[Talk:LP-42_Flare_Pistol|Any objections?]] Sounds reasonable. (I hadn't really been following the Kampfpistole saga, I sort of just stumbled into it.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:08, 27 December 2011 (CST)

== Salt featured article ==

Can you change the [[Salt]] entry on the featured article template from a SIG SG553 to a P556 SWAT with a SG550 lower please, as it is locked to me. I recently changed it on the Salt page, but featured article just came up and noticed it was now wrong. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:04, 29 December 2011 (CST)

== Dead links ==

Hey man, I've been working on converting a number of pages from the list format over to a wikitable. I've noticed that there are some cases where a movie is listed, but there is no page for that movie. For example, if you look at the [[M1911A1]], about halfway down the Films section [[Nowhere to Run]] (1993) is listed, but there is no page for it. Should it be removed when I convert it to a table?

(As a side note, I'm not actually editing the M1911 page, that was just the quickest example I could find.) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 15:52, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:Gotcha. That's super helpful! Thanks.--[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 23:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)

== Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009 ==

Yeah, did some reseach, this game is available in Europe, bt it is under a different name (Same game, different name), it is called "Cabela's Dangerous Adventures". And it is available for the PS2, PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360 (The page is for the Xbox/PS3 version). Don't know if you have an Xbox or a PS3, so that is up to you, and it is dirt cheap by now. - [[User:1morey]] January 15, 2012 12:40 PM (EST)

== Copyrights ==

Hey man. I was just updating a page and I noted that the "copyrights" link at the bottom that shows up any time you edit a page is now red. When I clicked on it I noticed that you deleted the page. Just wanted to make sure you were aware that every time you edit a page or a discussion post, a link to that page shows up on the bottom. Any issue with me putting up a redirect on the old Copyright page that takes you to the "General disclaimer" page? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:18, 16 January 2012 (CST)

==Copyright page==
There's still time... (Seriously though, is there any legal reason why TOS's and disclaimers have to be a solid block of text? During my newspaper days, we avoided solid blocks of text whenever possible and cringed whenever we saw them in other papers. It's just telling readers "Don't read this.") --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 12:36, 16 January 2012 (CST)

== Manufacturer Template ==

I created a template for the manufacturer pages ([[Manufacturer Template]]). I am going to add a link to it from the <nowiki>[[Category:Manufacturer]]</nowiki> page. I would love any input from you and other admins on it. I want to make it as straight forward as possible. Thanks! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 13:36, 19 January 2012 (CST)

==GLOCK==
GLOCK (in all caps) is the official name of the company as stated on their website. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:31, 21 January 2012 (CST)

== Re: NSV ==

Hi. Thanks for the info. It is strange though, why would KBP have an image of the Kord on their site, which is made by Degtyarev? --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:27, 22 January 2012 (CST)
:I am totally confused now... >< Please delete the pic then, I reupload it with a correct name if and when I will make a page for the Degtyarev compnay. Thanks. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:56, 22 January 2012 (CST)

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==Idontthinksotim==
I don't this is actually directed to you. It's a catchphrase from the American series ''Home Improvement''. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 04:41, 21 February 2012 (CST)

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Talk:Grand Theft Auto V

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Scarlighter:

== new page and type 56-2 ==

Hi!
I made this kinda quick. Didn't have a lot of time to check errors.
I'm relatively new to the editing in this site. So if any veteran
around with more knowledge could help improve the article would be indeed
great.
When it comes to the weapon, I believe it's a Norinco Type 56-2 since the stock
looks like the one in a Type 56-2. Otherwise correct if I'm wrong.
Also one of the guys seems to have a laser sight. Don't know which sort though
[[User:Santos|Santos]] 17:08, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

The rifles seem to have some sort of rail system on them... which I think is a shame--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 10:55, 3 November 2011 (CDT)

:Most likely is the handguard with picatinny rails. The guy knocking on the van leading those other two men, seems to have a laser sight attached to it. This is a handguard is from FAB-Defense. http://www.fab-defense.com/images/big-details/ak-47-1.jpg

One of the screenshots mentions "excellent" trigger discipline, to me it looks like his finger is actually on the trigger as there is a small curve in the shape of the finger, I wouldn't refer to that as excellent trigger discipline. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Favourite Weapon List ==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 23 February 2012, 16:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Here's mine, with their respective 'In-Game Name' and progressive Tiers (Police, Tactical, Combat)":

''0.Melee Weapons''

-Hand-To-Hand

-Martial Arts (Karate, Jujitsu, Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai)

-Switchblade

-Kitchen Knife

-Survival Machete

-Shuriken

-Baseball Club

-Katana

-Chainsaw

-Dildo

''1.Handguns''

-Walther P99 (9mm PB) 'Police Pistol'

-USP45 Tactical 'Tactical Pistol'

-Herstal 5-7 USG 'Combat Pistol'

-Deagle.44 Magnum 'Magnum Pistol'

-S&W500 'Hand Cannon'

''2.Shotguns''

-'Sawed-Off Shotgun'

-Winchester M1887 'Shotgun'

-Remington M870 'Police Shotgun'

-Benelli M3 Super 90 or Super Nova 'Tactical Shotgun'

-Kel Tec KSG 'Combat Shotgun'

-SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper or Armsel Protecta 'Assault Shotgun'

-MPS AA12 CQB 'Automatic Shotgun'

''3.SMGs''

-Ingram MAC-10 'SMG'

-Intratech Tec9 'Assault SMG'

-Heckler&Koch MP5 'Police SMG'

-Heckler&Koch MP7A1 'Tactical SMG'

-Herstal P90 or P90 USG 'Combat SMG'

''4.Assault Rifles''

-Magpul PDR 'Personal Defense Rifle'

-Izhmash AK-12 or AK-10x Generation 'Assault Rifle' (in the final release, it should replace the shown Norinco Type56-2)

-Colt M4A1 RIS (with the new Super-Stoc) 'Police Carbine'

-Heckler&Koch G36C 'Tactical Rifle'

-Remington ACR or Beretta ARX-160 SF 'Combat Rifle'

''5.Sniper Rifles''

-Sako TRG-42 or Remington M40A5 'Anti-Personnel Rifle'

-Herstal Mk20 Mod0 SSR 'Designated Marksman Rifle'

-Remington MSR or XM2010 'Precision Sniper Rifle'

-Barrett M107 CQ or Accuracy International AS50 'Anti-Materiel Rifle'

''6.LMGs''

-M27 (with Beta C-Mag) 'Infantry Automatic Rifle'

-Herstal Mk46 Mod0 'Light Machine Gun'

-General Dynamics/U.S. Ordnance Mk43 Mod1 'General Purpose Machine Gun'

''7.Launchers''

-Remington GL or Brugger&Thomet GL-06 'Grenade Launcher'

-Milkor MGL-140 'Multiple Grenade Launcher' (with Armson OEG)

-Airtronic Mk777 (instead of the aged RPG7) 'Rocket Launcher'

-Lockheed Martin/IWI FGM-172 Predator SRAW or FGM-148 Javelin 'MSSL Launcher'

''8.Explosives''

-U.S. Ordnance? M67 'Frag Grenade'

-Picatinny Arsenal M84 'Stun Grenade'

-Molotov 'Petrol Grenade'

-U.S. Ordnance? M18A1 Claymore 'Anti-Personnel Land Mine'

-U.S. Ordnance? M93 Hornet 'Anti-Tank Land Mine'

-U.S. Ordnance? M112 'Demolition Charge'

"As you can see, except for the SMGs, each Category has different Industry Trademarks,

and all the Categories, except for the Explosives one, have a Tier Hierarchy... ."

"Moreover, I believe it should be introduced a Customization System (even a simple one),

which allows to apply some basic Accessories":

''Accessories''

Talk:Grand Theft Auto V

2012-02-23T15:38:07Z

Scarlighter: /* Favourite Weapon List */

== new page and type 56-2 ==

Hi!
I made this kinda quick. Didn't have a lot of time to check errors.
I'm relatively new to the editing in this site. So if any veteran
around with more knowledge could help improve the article would be indeed
great.
When it comes to the weapon, I believe it's a Norinco Type 56-2 since the stock
looks like the one in a Type 56-2. Otherwise correct if I'm wrong.
Also one of the guys seems to have a laser sight. Don't know which sort though
[[User:Santos|Santos]] 17:08, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

The rifles seem to have some sort of rail system on them... which I think is a shame--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 10:55, 3 November 2011 (CDT)

:Most likely is the handguard with picatinny rails. The guy knocking on the van leading those other two men, seems to have a laser sight attached to it. This is a handguard is from FAB-Defense. http://www.fab-defense.com/images/big-details/ak-47-1.jpg

One of the screenshots mentions "excellent" trigger discipline, to me it looks like his finger is actually on the trigger as there is a small curve in the shape of the finger, I wouldn't refer to that as excellent trigger discipline. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Favourite Weapon List ==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 23 February 2012, 16:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Here's mine, with their respective 'In-Game Name' and Tiers (Police, Tactical, Combat,...)":

0.Melee Weapons

-Hand-To-Hand

-Martial Arts (Karate, Jujitsu, Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai)

-Switchblade

-Kitchen Knife

-Survival Machete

-Shuriken

-Baseball Club

-Katana

-Chainsaw

-Dildo

1.Handguns

-Walther P99 (9mm PB) 'Police Pistol'

-USP45 Tactical 'Tactical Pistol'

-Herstal 5-7 USG 'Combat Pistol'

-Deagle.44 Magnum 'Magnum Pistol'

-S&W500 'Hand Cannon'

2.Shotguns

-'Sawed-Off Shotgun'

-Winchester M1887 'Shotgun'

-Remington M870 'Police Shotgun'

-Benelli M3 Super 90 or Super Nova 'Tactical Shotgun'

-Kel Tec KSG 'Combat Shotgun'

-SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper or Armsel Protecta 'Assault Shotgun'

-MPS AA12 CQB 'Automatic Shotgun'

3.SMGs

-Heckler&Koch MP5 'Police SMG'

-Heckler&Koch MP7A1 'Tactical SMG'

-Herstal P90 or P90 USG 'Combat SMG'

4.Assault Rifles

-Magpul PDR 'Personal Defense Rifle'

-Izhmash AK-12 or AK-10x Generation 'Assault Rifle'

-Colt M4A1 RIS (with the new Super-Stoc) 'Police Carbine'

-Heckler&Koch G36C 'Tactical Rifle'

-Remington ACR or Beretta ARX-160 SF 'Combat Rifle'

5.Sniper Rifles

-Sako TRG-42 or Remington M40A5 'Anti-Personnel Rifle'

-Herstal Mk20 Mod0 SSR 'Designated Marksman Rifle'

-Remington MSR or XM2010 'Precision Sniper Rifle'

-Barrett M107 CQ or Accuracy International AS50 'Anti-Materiel Rifle'

6.LMGs

-M27 (with Beta C-Mag) 'Infantry Automatic Rifle'

-Herstal Mk46 Mod0 'Light Machine Gun'

-General Dynamics/U.S. Ordnance Mk43 Mod1 'General Purpose Machine Gun'

7.Launchers

-Remington GL or Brugger&Thomet GL-06 'Grenade Launcher'

-Milkor MGL-140 'Multiple Grenade Launcher'

-Airtronic Mk777 (instead of the aged RPG7) 'Rocket Launcher'

-Lockheed Martin/IWI FGM-172 Predator SRAW or FGM-148 Javelin 'MSSL Launcher'

8.Explosives

-U.S. Ordnance? M67 'Frag Grenade'

-Picatinny Arsenal M84 'Stun Grenade'

-Molotov 'Petrol Grenade'

-U.S. Ordnance? M18A1 Claymore 'Anti-Personnel Land Mine'

-U.S. Ordnance? M93 Hornet 'Anti-Tank Land Mine'

-U.S. Ordnance? M112 'Demolition Charge'

Talk:Grand Theft Auto V

2012-02-23T15:37:43Z

Scarlighter: /* Favourite Weapon List */

== new page and type 56-2 ==

Hi!
I made this kinda quick. Didn't have a lot of time to check errors.
I'm relatively new to the editing in this site. So if any veteran
around with more knowledge could help improve the article would be indeed
great.
When it comes to the weapon, I believe it's a Norinco Type 56-2 since the stock
looks like the one in a Type 56-2. Otherwise correct if I'm wrong.
Also one of the guys seems to have a laser sight. Don't know which sort though
[[User:Santos|Santos]] 17:08, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

The rifles seem to have some sort of rail system on them... which I think is a shame--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 10:55, 3 November 2011 (CDT)

:Most likely is the handguard with picatinny rails. The guy knocking on the van leading those other two men, seems to have a laser sight attached to it. This is a handguard is from FAB-Defense. http://www.fab-defense.com/images/big-details/ak-47-1.jpg

One of the screenshots mentions "excellent" trigger discipline, to me it looks like his finger is actually on the trigger as there is a small curve in the shape of the finger, I wouldn't refer to that as excellent trigger discipline. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Favourite Weapon List ==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 23 February 2012, 16:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Here's mine, with their respective 'In-Game Name' and Tiers (Police, Tactical, Combat,...)":

0.Melee Weapons

-Hand-To-Hand

-Martial Arts (Karate, Jujitsu, Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai)

-Switchblade

-Kitchen Knife

-Survival Machete

-Shuriken

-Baseball Club

-Katana

-Chainsaw

-Dildo

1.Handguns

-Walther P99 (9mm PB) 'Police Pistol'

-USP45 Tactical 'Tactical Pistol'

-Herstal 5-7 USG 'Combat Pistol'

-Deagle.44 Magnum 'Magnum Pistol'

-S&W500 'Hand Cannon'

2.Shotguns

-'Sawed-Off Shotgun'

-Winchester M1887 'Shotgun'

-Remington M870 'Police Shotgun'

-Benelli M3 Super 90 or Super Nova 'Tactical Shotgun'

-Kel Tec KSG 'Combat Shotgun'

-SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper or Armsel Protecta 'Assault Shotgun'

-MPS AA12 CQB 'Automatic Shotgun'

3.SMGs

-Heckler&Koch MP5 'Police SMG'

-Heckler&Koch MP7A1 'Tactical SMG'

-Herstal P90 or P90 USG 'Combat SMG'

4.Assault Rifles

-Magpul PDR 'Personal Defense Rifle'

-Izhmash AK-12 or AK-10x Generation 'Assault Rifle'

-Colt M4A1 RIS (with the new Super-Stoc) 'Police Carbine'

-Heckler&Koch G36C 'Tactical Rifle'

-Remington ACR or Beretta ARX-160 SF 'Combat Rifle'

5.Sniper Rifles

-Sako TRG-42 or Remington M40A5 'Anti-Personnel Rifle'

-Herstal Mk20 Mod0 SSR 'Designated Marksman Rifle'

-Remington MSR or XM2010 'Precision Sniper Rifle'

-Barrett M107 CQ or Accuracy International AS50 'Anti-Materiel Rifle'

6.LMGs

-M27 (with Beta C-Mag) 'Infantry Automatic Rifle'

-Herstal Mk46 Mod0 'Light Machine Gun'

-General Dynamics/U.S. Ordnance Mk43 Mod1 'General Purpose Machine Gun'

7.Launchers

-Remington GL or Brugger&Thomet GL-06 'Grenade Launcher'

-Milkor MGL-140 'Multiple Grenade Launcher'

-Airtronic Mk777 (instead of the aged RPG7) 'Rocket Launcher'

-Lockheed Martin/IWI FGM-172 Predator SRAW or FGM-148 Javelin 'MSSL Launcher'

8.Explosives

-U.S. Ordnance? M67 'Frag Grenade'

-Picatinny Arsenal M84 'Stun Grenade'

-Molotov 'Petrol Grenade'

-U.S. Ordnance? M18A1 Claymore 'Anti-Personnel Land Mine'

-U.S. Ordnance? M93 Hornet 'Anti-Tank Land Mine'

-U.S. Ordnance? M112 'Demolition Charge'

Talk:Grand Theft Auto V

2012-02-23T15:35:39Z

Scarlighter: /* Favourite Weapon List */

== new page and type 56-2 ==

Hi!
I made this kinda quick. Didn't have a lot of time to check errors.
I'm relatively new to the editing in this site. So if any veteran
around with more knowledge could help improve the article would be indeed
great.
When it comes to the weapon, I believe it's a Norinco Type 56-2 since the stock
looks like the one in a Type 56-2. Otherwise correct if I'm wrong.
Also one of the guys seems to have a laser sight. Don't know which sort though
[[User:Santos|Santos]] 17:08, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

The rifles seem to have some sort of rail system on them... which I think is a shame--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 10:55, 3 November 2011 (CDT)

:Most likely is the handguard with picatinny rails. The guy knocking on the van leading those other two men, seems to have a laser sight attached to it. This is a handguard is from FAB-Defense. http://www.fab-defense.com/images/big-details/ak-47-1.jpg

One of the screenshots mentions "excellent" trigger discipline, to me it looks like his finger is actually on the trigger as there is a small curve in the shape of the finger, I wouldn't refer to that as excellent trigger discipline. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Favourite Weapon List ==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 23 February 2012, 16:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Here's mine, with their respective 'In-Game Name' and Tiers (Police, Tactical, Combat,...)":

0.Melee Weapons
-Hand-To-Hand
-Martial Arts (Karate, Jujitsu, Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai)
-Switchblade
-Kitchen Knife
-Survival Machete
-Shuriken
-Baseball Club
-Katana
-Chainsaw
-Dildo

1.Handguns
-Walther P99 (9mm PB) 'Police Pistol'
-USP45 Tactical 'Tactical Pistol'
-Herstal 5-7 USG 'Combat Pistol'
-Deagle.44 Magnum 'Magnum Pistol'
-S&W500 'Hand Cannon'

2.Shotguns
-'Sawed-Off Shotgun'
-Winchester M1887 'Shotgun'
-Remington M870 'Police Shotgun'
-Benelli M3 Super 90 or Super Nova 'Tactical Shotgun'
-Kel Tec KSG 'Combat Shotgun'
-SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper or Armsel Protecta 'Assault Shotgun'
-MPS AA12 CQB 'Automatic Shotgun'

3.SMGs
-Heckler&Koch MP5 'Police SMG'
-Heckler&Koch MP7A1 'Tactical SMG'
-Herstal P90 or P90 USG 'Combat SMG'

4.Assault Rifles
-Magpul PDR 'Personal Defense Rifle'
-Izhmash AKS74U 'Short Rifle'
-Izhmash AK-12 or AK-10x Generation 'Assault Rifle'
-Colt M4A1 RIS (with the new Super-Stoc) 'Police Carbine'
-Heckler&Koch G36C 'Tactical Rifle'
-Remington ACR or Beretta ARX-160 SF 'Combat Rifle'

5.Sniper Rifles
-Sako TRG-42 or Remington M40A5 'Anti-Personnel Rifle'
-Herstal Mk20 Mod0 SSR 'Designated Marksman Rifle'
-Remington MSR or XM2010 'Precision Sniper Rifle'
-Barrett M107 CQ or Accuracy International AS50 'Anti-Materiel Rifle'

6.LMGs
-M27 (with Beta C-Mag) 'Infantry Automatic Rifle'
-Herstal Mk46 Mod0 'Light Machine Gun'
-General Dynamics/U.S. Ordnance Mk43 Mod1 'General Purpose Machine Gun'

7.Launchers
-Remington GL or Brugger&Thomet GL-06 'Grenade Launcher'
-Milkor MGL-140 'Multiple Grenade Launcher'
-Airtronic Mk777 (instead of the aged RPG7) 'Rocket Launcher'
-Lockheed Martin/IWI FGM-172 Predator SRAW or FGM-148 Javelin 'MSSL Launcher'

8.Explosives
-U.S. Ordnance? M67 'Frag Grenade'
-Picatinny Arsenal M84 'Stun Grenade'
-Molotov 'Petrol Grenade'
-U.S. Ordnance? M18A1 Claymore 'Anti-Personnel Land Mine'
-U.S. Ordnance? M93 Hornet 'Anti-Tank Land Mine'
-U.S. Ordnance? M112 'Demolition Charge'

Talk:Grand Theft Auto V

2012-02-23T15:25:27Z

Scarlighter: /* Favourite Weapon List */ new section

== new page and type 56-2 ==

Hi!
I made this kinda quick. Didn't have a lot of time to check errors.
I'm relatively new to the editing in this site. So if any veteran
around with more knowledge could help improve the article would be indeed
great.
When it comes to the weapon, I believe it's a Norinco Type 56-2 since the stock
looks like the one in a Type 56-2. Otherwise correct if I'm wrong.
Also one of the guys seems to have a laser sight. Don't know which sort though
[[User:Santos|Santos]] 17:08, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

The rifles seem to have some sort of rail system on them... which I think is a shame--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 10:55, 3 November 2011 (CDT)

:Most likely is the handguard with picatinny rails. The guy knocking on the van leading those other two men, seems to have a laser sight attached to it. This is a handguard is from FAB-Defense. http://www.fab-defense.com/images/big-details/ak-47-1.jpg

One of the screenshots mentions "excellent" trigger discipline, to me it looks like his finger is actually on the trigger as there is a small curve in the shape of the finger, I wouldn't refer to that as excellent trigger discipline. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Favourite Weapon List ==

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 23 February 2012, 15:30, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Here's mine, with their respective 'In-Game Name'":

0.Melee Weapons
-Hand-To-Hand
-Martial Arts (Karate, Jujitsu, Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai)
-Switchblade
-Kitchen Knife
-Survival Machete
-Shuriken
-Baseball Club
-Katana
-Chainsaw
-Dildo

1.Handguns
-USP Match
-Deagle.44 Magnum 'Magnum Pistol'
-S&W500 'Hand Cannon'

2.Shotguns
-'Sawed-Off Shotgun'
-Winchester M1887 'Shotgun'
-Remington M870 'Police Shotgun'
-Benelli M3 Super 90 or Super Nova 'Tactical Shotgun'
-SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper or Armsel Protecta 'Assault Shotgun'
-MPS AA12 CQB 'Automatic Shotgun'

3.SMGs
-Heckler&Koch MP5 'Police SMG'
-Heckler&Koch MP7A1 'Tactical SMG'
-Herstal P90 or P90 USG 'Combat SMG'

4.Assault Rifles
-Izhmash AKS74U 'Short Assault Rifle'
-Magpul PDR 'Personal Defense Rifle'
-Heckler&Koch G36 'Tactical Rifle'
-Izhmash AK-12 or AK-10x Generation 'Assault Rifle'
-Colt M4A1 RIS (with the new Super-Stoc) 'Police Carbine'
-Remington ACR or Beretta ARX-160 SF 'Combat Rifle'

5.Sniper Rifles
-Sako TRG-42 or Remington M40A5 'Anti-Personnel Rifle'
-Herstal Mk20 Mod0 SSR 'Designated Marksman Rifle'
-Remington MSR or XM2010 'Precision Sniper Rifle'
-Barrett M107 CQ or Accuracy International AS50 'Anti-Materiel Rifle'

6.LMGs
-M27 (with Beta C-Mag) 'Infantry Automatic Rifle'
-Herstal Mk46 Mod0 'Light Machine Gun'
-General Dynamics/U.S. Ordnance Mk43 Mod1 'General Purpose Machine Gun'

7.Launchers
-Remington GL or Brugger&Thomet GL-06 'Grenade Launcher'
-Milkor MGL-140 'Multiple Grenade Launcher'
-Airtronic Mk777 (instead of the aged RPG7) 'Rocket Launcher'
-Lockheed Martin/IWI FGM-172 Predator SRAW or FGM-148 Javelin 'MSSL Launcher'

8.Explosives
-U.S. Ordnance? M67 'Frag Grenade'
-Picatinny Arsenal M84 'Stun Grenade'
-Molotov 'Petrol Grenade'
-U.S. Ordnance? M18A1 Claymore 'Anti-Personnel Land Mine'
-U.S. Ordnance? M93 Hornet 'Anti-Tank Land Mine'
-U.S. Ordnance? M112 'Demolition Charge'

Talk:Far Cry 3

2012-02-21T18:06:09Z

Scarlighter: /* Pistol */

Yaay, Frank and his amazing collection of exploding rust will ride again. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:42, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:From what I saw in the demo at E3 (I watched Microsoft's press conference live yesterday), it looks like this game will be set on an island like the earlier games in the series. Frankly I'm surprised no one had beat me to the punch and made a page for the game already. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:59, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

::I'd heard of it being in development, but I wasn't aware there was any actual footage of weapons in it yet. I guess I'll have to start saving for another PC and set aside 40 or so hours to screencap it like last time. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:05, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:::Here's an "insane" walkthrough video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXHmWRziHA [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:26, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

::::Waaaaaaiiiit a minute...I see a crashed Zero, ancient ruins, and they're talking about this island's "dark secret." Looks like this is going to be an ''actual'' sequel to ''Far Cry''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:39, 8 June 2011 (CDT)
:::::Loved the first game, so I hope it will awesome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

== AK ==

The AK has a muzzlebrake, but the mag looks like a 7.62mm mag instead of the straighter 5.45mm mag. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:32, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:If you watch the video, you'll notice that all the features of the weapon except the magazine match the AK-74 (handguard & stock, receiver cover, muzzle brake, front sight assembly), with the magazine being the only part that doesn't match. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 10:42, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

Dang DinoHunter2! You did '''EXACTLY''' what I was going to do, I was considering changing it to a AK-103 like half a hour ago and the description change is the same as I was thinking, good job! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:23, 16 June 2011 (CDT)

:You're welcome Mr. Wolf :D - [[User:DinoHunter2|DinoHunter2]] 18:18, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== Pistol ==

It's a modern 1911 with a under-barrel rail. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:21, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:Never mind, I was too slow. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:23, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

YEY! Finally a Kimber in a game! I'm looking forward to this game regardless now :D --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:47, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 19:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"The Kimber Warrior: My Favourite 1911 Replica!"
[[File:FC3KIMBLER2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A Kimber Warrior in ''Far Cry 3'']]

== SVD? ==

An alternate demo walkthrough features what looks to be an SVD or one of its derivatives. Anyone care to give this video a look? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_9fsXPNs34

On a side note, the same video confirms the M67 in game. The throwing animation is actually kinda cool, as you see the spoon being released before the grenade is thrown.

*Looks like an actual Dragunov, it's got that bend in the safety lever that the Romak doesn't have, and it looks like they've given it the right handguard and no X stamping on the magazine this time. Of course it's a lefty Dragonuv, but I think that's to be expected. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:20, 11 June 2011 (CDT)
::Maybe it's the Far Cry 2 model with a new texture, that might explain why it's a lefty gun, hope that changes in the final game, the other guns are righty guns. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:51, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

Also, in both that video and the one I posted above, the Blackhawk helicopter the player hijacks is shot down by what appears to be some kind of rocket launcher. You can't see the guy firing it clearly, and I only saw a split-second glimpse of the rocket milliseconds before it strikes the aircraft, but I think it's possibly an [[RPG-7]] or Type 69. I don't want to add it to the page until more concrete proof is found though. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:32, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

Here is a image of the rocket launcher:
[[File:FC3RL.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]
--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:38, 11 June 2011 (CDT)
:Definitely a RPG-7/Type 69, most likely a RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:42, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

== Will brass fly left still? ==

I'm wondering if these guns will be like the previous game and have the brass eject left [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:49, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

*Well, so far the AK and Kimber look like they're right-handed and only the SVD looks like it's a lefty model. Now, interestingly, I'd heard that the developers had seen our ''Far Cry 2'' page (some podcast or other had a guy saying some guy on the team, I think the director, had pointed him to it) and it's actually looking like they took note: for example, they've fixed the handguard of the SVD, the magazine, the scope now fills the screen to avoid that issue where the area outside the scope was zoomed in too, the reticle now has the numbers on it (though it's missing the lower line of the rangefinder and the 1.7, and has one too many chevrons), and he holds it at the hip like the stock's under his arm rather than inserted partway into his shoulder. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:42, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

== Recent news ==

I've heard from the UK Official PS3 Magazine that the game world is supposedly going to be ten times the size of the world in ''Far Cry 2''. To be honest, this doesn't exactly fill me with confidence; one of the biggest problems with ''FC2'' was the size of the world seemed to have been decided in some board meeting before they had a single idea down as to what they were going to put in all that space. The result was a game that had you going five miles from A to B simply because they wanted you to see all the effort they'd put into the huge map. It can be done (see ''Just Cause 2'') but it makes me nervous hearing they're on "look at how big our map is" rather than "we have so many great ideas the map has to be at least this big." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:08, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

Ten times the size? I lost intrest in Far Cry 2 because the game is not an FPS, is a driving game with peolpe trying to kill you at the checkpoints! OK, I'm exagerating but it's way to big.--[[User:MAndolin|MAndolin]] 08:35, 14 September 2011 (CDT)

But on the flip side, bigger maps can mean more space for more content. It's not the size of the maps that is the problem, it's what they use the size for. Far Cry 2, spatially, I thought was lovely. The driving and auto-attack enemies got old, but there's nothing about the space that seemed to be a problem. There was always somewhere to go and something to do. If they made travel more risky/interesting, and enemies didn't auto-attack you at every turn... it would make it more interesting. Furthermore, other methods of travel... such as helicopters, planes, etc. would do a world of good. Also, they need to focus on the end game more... after you've finished up the quests, that's it. There needs to be more repeatable content. Houses need to be more dynamic and upgradeable, hopefully with actual windows... not just instances you enter. That, and they need to expand more on the "hunt" and stealth aspect. It was awesome in Far Cry 2 just picking apart groups of enemies, but sucked because they -automatically- knew where you were 90% of the time... negating all stealth. It seems this has been vastly improved in the little footage we've seen, and the inventory system seems to be expanded as well. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 21:22, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

:Naw, the problem as I see it was in FC2 before they did ''anything'' they had that 50 square km number set in stone. This led to the problem of just having normal-sized quests with waypoints that were ridiculously far apart from one another; the result was basically a 10 hour game which had another 20 hours of driving and random fights thrown on top. Not that there was anything wrong with the combat mechanics, but one key point of an open-world game is you should be able to choose how you address a situation; always having the enemies set to max aggression / kill you got wearying. A good example of a different approach would be the checkpoint halfway through Cordon in ''Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl''; there, you could shoot everyone. Or you could sneak down an anomaly-filled corridor nearby and bypass it. Or risk radiation and wild animals to use a gap in the fence way down the railway track in the other direction. Or you could put your gun away and bribe the officer to let you pass. There were consequences to all of these; for example, if you killed them all you'd then have to repel a large group of Bandits by yourself rather than the guys at the checkpoint attacking them when they got close.

:Like I said, the trouble in FC2 was that number was how big they wanted it to be, not "it can't possibly be smaller than this, because we have so many ideas to fill it up with." That plus the landscape felt annoyingly static and "dead" with no dangerous animals and no people outside fixed camps. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:33, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

::I totally agree, I was also annoyed by that. I mean it would have been cool if you were stalking at night and you attacked by a pack of hyenas or that there was actually some '''people''' instead of just psychotic brigands. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:10, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

:I read somewhere that the player's name is Jason Brody, if anyone wants to use that information --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 10:05, 23 December 2011 (CST)

The source of these problems is the fact that FC2 and FC3 is are console-centric games. And consoles are running on, by PC gaming standards, hopelessly outdated hardware (circa 2005). The relative lack of RAM and processing power means that open-world games like these are seriously held back; changes to the world are rarely permanent, and it's very difficult for the console to remember what you've done (such as items stored) in locations that aren't fixed. Sometimes it's just a matter of scope and dedication. [[Boiling Point: Road to Hell]] was only on a 25 x 25 km map, but featured drivable vehicles of all kinds (in which you could store almost any amount of items) such as boats, patrol ships, single-engine planes, and leisure/combat helicopters, factions that fought one another and treated you accordingly with respect to your reputation, upgradeable weapons that decayed at a realistic rate (you could fire 1000s of rounds and end up with a 10% chance of jamming), an RPG system that increased your skills with weaponry the more you used them and your body stats the more you ran or carried heavy stuff, and jungles filled with animals out for your blood or whom you could hunt to sell their corpses or parts to traders. By contrast, the STALKER series only got a functioning faction wars system starting with the second game, never had drivable vehicles, and had no upgrades or repairs for its weapons until the second game. The STALKER series did, however, have an A-Life system that tracked the presence and deaths of mutants and NPCs behind your back, even if you weren't in the area (something that has rarely appeared in other games, the only other example I know of being the X Universe series of space free-roam games, PC only). It's sad, really--there are more fans of console games than ever, but many don't realise just how gimped their games are compared to what could be accomplished on PCs running current hardware, much like how Crysis 2 was badly scaled back from the original. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:58, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:I dunno, it strikes me more that FC2's problem was in how they approached map design and the lack of things to do. Just Cause 2 is also designed with consoles in mind, but it's more fun because it has a better interaction of game mechanics and more memorable characters. In FC2 if you took all of one faction leader's dialog and gave it to the other you'd find it hard to tell it was wrong. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== New Trailer Out Today ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYPnDDr7sMk Here.] - What are your thoughts, guys? Obligatory dubstep for some reason, as a cinematic trailer it looks pretty awesome. -- Long Fallen 16:24, 15 February 2012 (CST)

This does look pretty good, but doesn't Vaas or whatever the bad guy's called use a standard M1911A1? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 05:50, 16 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah it appears so. Its definetly not the Kimber Warrior because it doesnt have the white grips, and appears to have a black or possibly blued finish -- [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 13:08, 20 February 2012 (CST)

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Oa8Q7RV78&feature=player_embedded Leaked trailer, showing actual gameplay!] -- Long Fallen 17:12, 20 February 2012 (CST)

== Most anticipated thing about FC3... ==

Most definitely the page Evil Tim is going to do for it. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 17:45, 15 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Far Cry 3

2012-02-21T18:04:39Z

Scarlighter: /* Pistol */

Yaay, Frank and his amazing collection of exploding rust will ride again. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:42, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:From what I saw in the demo at E3 (I watched Microsoft's press conference live yesterday), it looks like this game will be set on an island like the earlier games in the series. Frankly I'm surprised no one had beat me to the punch and made a page for the game already. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:59, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

::I'd heard of it being in development, but I wasn't aware there was any actual footage of weapons in it yet. I guess I'll have to start saving for another PC and set aside 40 or so hours to screencap it like last time. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:05, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:::Here's an "insane" walkthrough video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXHmWRziHA [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:26, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

::::Waaaaaaiiiit a minute...I see a crashed Zero, ancient ruins, and they're talking about this island's "dark secret." Looks like this is going to be an ''actual'' sequel to ''Far Cry''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:39, 8 June 2011 (CDT)
:::::Loved the first game, so I hope it will awesome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

== AK ==

The AK has a muzzlebrake, but the mag looks like a 7.62mm mag instead of the straighter 5.45mm mag. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:32, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:If you watch the video, you'll notice that all the features of the weapon except the magazine match the AK-74 (handguard & stock, receiver cover, muzzle brake, front sight assembly), with the magazine being the only part that doesn't match. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 10:42, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

Dang DinoHunter2! You did '''EXACTLY''' what I was going to do, I was considering changing it to a AK-103 like half a hour ago and the description change is the same as I was thinking, good job! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:23, 16 June 2011 (CDT)

:You're welcome Mr. Wolf :D - [[User:DinoHunter2|DinoHunter2]] 18:18, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== Pistol ==

It's a modern 1911 with a under-barrel rail. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:21, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:Never mind, I was too slow. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:23, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

YEY! Finally a Kimber in a game! I'm looking forward to this game regardless now :D --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:47, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 21 February 2012, 19:10, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"My favourite 1911 Replica!"
[[File:FC3KIMBLER2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A Kimber Warrior in ''Far Cry 3'']]

== SVD? ==

An alternate demo walkthrough features what looks to be an SVD or one of its derivatives. Anyone care to give this video a look? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_9fsXPNs34

On a side note, the same video confirms the M67 in game. The throwing animation is actually kinda cool, as you see the spoon being released before the grenade is thrown.

*Looks like an actual Dragunov, it's got that bend in the safety lever that the Romak doesn't have, and it looks like they've given it the right handguard and no X stamping on the magazine this time. Of course it's a lefty Dragonuv, but I think that's to be expected. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:20, 11 June 2011 (CDT)
::Maybe it's the Far Cry 2 model with a new texture, that might explain why it's a lefty gun, hope that changes in the final game, the other guns are righty guns. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:51, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

Also, in both that video and the one I posted above, the Blackhawk helicopter the player hijacks is shot down by what appears to be some kind of rocket launcher. You can't see the guy firing it clearly, and I only saw a split-second glimpse of the rocket milliseconds before it strikes the aircraft, but I think it's possibly an [[RPG-7]] or Type 69. I don't want to add it to the page until more concrete proof is found though. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:32, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

Here is a image of the rocket launcher:
[[File:FC3RL.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]
--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:38, 11 June 2011 (CDT)
:Definitely a RPG-7/Type 69, most likely a RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:42, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

== Will brass fly left still? ==

I'm wondering if these guns will be like the previous game and have the brass eject left [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:49, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

*Well, so far the AK and Kimber look like they're right-handed and only the SVD looks like it's a lefty model. Now, interestingly, I'd heard that the developers had seen our ''Far Cry 2'' page (some podcast or other had a guy saying some guy on the team, I think the director, had pointed him to it) and it's actually looking like they took note: for example, they've fixed the handguard of the SVD, the magazine, the scope now fills the screen to avoid that issue where the area outside the scope was zoomed in too, the reticle now has the numbers on it (though it's missing the lower line of the rangefinder and the 1.7, and has one too many chevrons), and he holds it at the hip like the stock's under his arm rather than inserted partway into his shoulder. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:42, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

== Recent news ==

I've heard from the UK Official PS3 Magazine that the game world is supposedly going to be ten times the size of the world in ''Far Cry 2''. To be honest, this doesn't exactly fill me with confidence; one of the biggest problems with ''FC2'' was the size of the world seemed to have been decided in some board meeting before they had a single idea down as to what they were going to put in all that space. The result was a game that had you going five miles from A to B simply because they wanted you to see all the effort they'd put into the huge map. It can be done (see ''Just Cause 2'') but it makes me nervous hearing they're on "look at how big our map is" rather than "we have so many great ideas the map has to be at least this big." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:08, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

Ten times the size? I lost intrest in Far Cry 2 because the game is not an FPS, is a driving game with peolpe trying to kill you at the checkpoints! OK, I'm exagerating but it's way to big.--[[User:MAndolin|MAndolin]] 08:35, 14 September 2011 (CDT)

But on the flip side, bigger maps can mean more space for more content. It's not the size of the maps that is the problem, it's what they use the size for. Far Cry 2, spatially, I thought was lovely. The driving and auto-attack enemies got old, but there's nothing about the space that seemed to be a problem. There was always somewhere to go and something to do. If they made travel more risky/interesting, and enemies didn't auto-attack you at every turn... it would make it more interesting. Furthermore, other methods of travel... such as helicopters, planes, etc. would do a world of good. Also, they need to focus on the end game more... after you've finished up the quests, that's it. There needs to be more repeatable content. Houses need to be more dynamic and upgradeable, hopefully with actual windows... not just instances you enter. That, and they need to expand more on the "hunt" and stealth aspect. It was awesome in Far Cry 2 just picking apart groups of enemies, but sucked because they -automatically- knew where you were 90% of the time... negating all stealth. It seems this has been vastly improved in the little footage we've seen, and the inventory system seems to be expanded as well. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 21:22, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

:Naw, the problem as I see it was in FC2 before they did ''anything'' they had that 50 square km number set in stone. This led to the problem of just having normal-sized quests with waypoints that were ridiculously far apart from one another; the result was basically a 10 hour game which had another 20 hours of driving and random fights thrown on top. Not that there was anything wrong with the combat mechanics, but one key point of an open-world game is you should be able to choose how you address a situation; always having the enemies set to max aggression / kill you got wearying. A good example of a different approach would be the checkpoint halfway through Cordon in ''Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl''; there, you could shoot everyone. Or you could sneak down an anomaly-filled corridor nearby and bypass it. Or risk radiation and wild animals to use a gap in the fence way down the railway track in the other direction. Or you could put your gun away and bribe the officer to let you pass. There were consequences to all of these; for example, if you killed them all you'd then have to repel a large group of Bandits by yourself rather than the guys at the checkpoint attacking them when they got close.

:Like I said, the trouble in FC2 was that number was how big they wanted it to be, not "it can't possibly be smaller than this, because we have so many ideas to fill it up with." That plus the landscape felt annoyingly static and "dead" with no dangerous animals and no people outside fixed camps. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:33, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

::I totally agree, I was also annoyed by that. I mean it would have been cool if you were stalking at night and you attacked by a pack of hyenas or that there was actually some '''people''' instead of just psychotic brigands. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:10, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

:I read somewhere that the player's name is Jason Brody, if anyone wants to use that information --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 10:05, 23 December 2011 (CST)

The source of these problems is the fact that FC2 and FC3 is are console-centric games. And consoles are running on, by PC gaming standards, hopelessly outdated hardware (circa 2005). The relative lack of RAM and processing power means that open-world games like these are seriously held back; changes to the world are rarely permanent, and it's very difficult for the console to remember what you've done (such as items stored) in locations that aren't fixed. Sometimes it's just a matter of scope and dedication. [[Boiling Point: Road to Hell]] was only on a 25 x 25 km map, but featured drivable vehicles of all kinds (in which you could store almost any amount of items) such as boats, patrol ships, single-engine planes, and leisure/combat helicopters, factions that fought one another and treated you accordingly with respect to your reputation, upgradeable weapons that decayed at a realistic rate (you could fire 1000s of rounds and end up with a 10% chance of jamming), an RPG system that increased your skills with weaponry the more you used them and your body stats the more you ran or carried heavy stuff, and jungles filled with animals out for your blood or whom you could hunt to sell their corpses or parts to traders. By contrast, the STALKER series only got a functioning faction wars system starting with the second game, never had drivable vehicles, and had no upgrades or repairs for its weapons until the second game. The STALKER series did, however, have an A-Life system that tracked the presence and deaths of mutants and NPCs behind your back, even if you weren't in the area (something that has rarely appeared in other games, the only other example I know of being the X Universe series of space free-roam games, PC only). It's sad, really--there are more fans of console games than ever, but many don't realise just how gimped their games are compared to what could be accomplished on PCs running current hardware, much like how Crysis 2 was badly scaled back from the original. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:58, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:I dunno, it strikes me more that FC2's problem was in how they approached map design and the lack of things to do. Just Cause 2 is also designed with consoles in mind, but it's more fun because it has a better interaction of game mechanics and more memorable characters. In FC2 if you took all of one faction leader's dialog and gave it to the other you'd find it hard to tell it was wrong. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== New Trailer Out Today ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYPnDDr7sMk Here.] - What are your thoughts, guys? Obligatory dubstep for some reason, as a cinematic trailer it looks pretty awesome. -- Long Fallen 16:24, 15 February 2012 (CST)

This does look pretty good, but doesn't Vaas or whatever the bad guy's called use a standard M1911A1? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 05:50, 16 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah it appears so. Its definetly not the Kimber Warrior because it doesnt have the white grips, and appears to have a black or possibly blued finish -- [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 13:08, 20 February 2012 (CST)

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Oa8Q7RV78&feature=player_embedded Leaked trailer, showing actual gameplay!] -- Long Fallen 17:12, 20 February 2012 (CST)

== Most anticipated thing about FC3... ==

Most definitely the page Evil Tim is going to do for it. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 17:45, 15 February 2012 (CST)