== Baby Browning ? ==
It seems to me that this pistol is not a Baby Browning but rather its predecessor, a [[FN Model 1905]] or even its Spanish copy (the position of the screw in the center of the grip vote for Spanish version). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:43, 16 December 2012 (EST)

It's a Smith and Wesson Model 61 "Escort"-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] ([[User talk:S&Wshooter|talk]]) 00:43, 17 December 2012 (EST)

Talk:Killer Elite (2011)

2011-09-24T03:09:09Z

S&Wshooter:

==Just saw the movie==
The second screenshot under Browning High Power Mark III is actually that of Clive Owen firing a H&K P7M13. The 1911 Robert Deniro uses is not a 1911, but some kind of .22 automatic (sorta like this: http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=45088), but he does use what appears to be a Commander sized 1911 near the beginning. A character played by Aden Young (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0949237/) uses what looks like a 686 sized S&W revolver with a 2-3 inch barrel.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:09, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Killer Elite (2011)

2011-09-24T03:08:37Z

S&Wshooter: Noting some mistakes

User:S&Wshooter

2011-08-10T04:49:24Z

S&Wshooter:

:'''NOTICE: I Bought a FAL! Finally!'''-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 23:49, 9 August 2011 (CDT)
----
Name- I won't tell you so don't even ask.

Gamertag: S and W shooter

Age- 18

Location- Galveston County, Texas (I'm not going to say what specific town I live in)

I love to shoot, go deer hunting, research firearms and watch movies. I am pretty old fashioned in my preferences for guns and don't really take much interest into newer guns because they are soulless. I would rather use a single action revolver than a polymer wonder-nine. I absolutely love Smith and Wesson handguns and old Winchester long guns

== Favorite Movies ==
:'''[[The Wild Geese]]'''
:'''[[Extreme Prejudice]]'''
:'''Johnnie To directed action flicks'''
:'''Death Wish series'''
:'''[[Snatch]]'''
:'''Brother'''
:'''Brother 2'''
:'''[[Reservoir Dogs]]'''
:'''[[Dog Soldiers]]'''
:'''[[Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels]]'''
:'''[[District B13]]'''
:'''[[Once Upon a Time in the West]]'''
:'''[[The Departed]]'''
:'''[[The Way of the Gun]]'''

== Favorite Guns ==

'''Winchester Model 52 Olympic rifle'''- My favorite .22 rifle. My Grandfather gave me this wonderful rifle and it is pretty much my baby.
----
'''[[Smith & Wesson 4506]]'''- Every body has a gun that suits them perfectly, and this is it for me
----
'''Browning A-Bolt Micro Hunter (Left handed in 7mm-08)'''-
----
'''Stag Arms 2TL'''- only AR variant that I can shoot comforatably because I'm a leftie. Really acccurate at long ranges despite the relative shortness of the carbine (maybe it has something to do with the big ass Russian scope I have on it).
----
'''Ruger Speed Six (snub nose)'''- My favorite snubby. I grew up shooting this gun and have only seen it malfunction once
----
'''[[Smith & Wesson Model 686]]P'''-In my opinion it is the best revolver in the world. 7 rounds of .38 or .357. Accurate, fits my hands and doesn't kick at all.
----
'''[[Ruger Redhawk]]'''
----
'''[[FN FAL]]'''- I finally got one, and I love it
----
'''Double Barreled Shotguns'''
----
'''Kimber Team Match II and Desert Warrior'''- Best 1911's I have ever shot.
----
'''FN FNP'''- This may be the only polymer frame pistol that I would ever consider buying.
----
'''Smith & Wesson Model 6906'''
----
'''[[Browning Hi-Power]]'''- C'mon, do I really need to explain why I like this gun?
----
'''[[Browning Buckmark Pistol]]'''
----
'''[[Winchester Model 88]]'''
----
'''[[Makarov PM]]'''

==Favorite TV shows/Anime==
:'''[[Black Lagoon]]'''
:'''The Mighty Boosh'''
:'''The Best Defense'''
:'''Shooting USA'''
:'''American Rifleman'''
:'''Top Gear'''
:'''Survivorman'''
:'''Ultimate Force'''

==Favorite Games==
:'''[[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl ]]'''
:'''[[Far Cry 2]]'''
:'''Elder Scrolls: Oblivion'''
:'''[[Call of Duty 2]]'''
:'''Saint's Row series'''
:'''[[Kane and Lynch: Dead Men ]]'''
:'''Godfather series'''
:'''[[Fallout 3]]'''
:'''[[Left 4 Dead]] series'''
:'''Max Payne series'''
:'''[[Grand Theft Auto IV]]'''

User:S&Wshooter

2011-08-10T04:48:17Z

S&Wshooter: My userpage was outdated

:'''NOTICE: I Bought a FAL! Finally!'''-```
----
Name- I won't tell you so don't even ask.

Gamertag: S and W shooter

Age- 18

Location- Galveston County, Texas (I'm not going to say what specific town I live in)

I love to shoot, go deer hunting, research firearms and watch movies. I am pretty old fashioned in my preferences for guns and don't really take much interest into newer guns because they are soulless. I would rather use a single action revolver than a polymer wonder-nine. I absolutely love Smith and Wesson handguns and old Winchester long guns

== Favorite Movies ==
:'''[[The Wild Geese]]'''
:'''[[Extreme Prejudice]]'''
:'''Johnnie To directed action flicks'''
:'''Death Wish series'''
:'''[[Snatch]]'''
:'''Brother'''
:'''Brother 2'''
:'''[[Reservoir Dogs]]'''
:'''[[Dog Soldiers]]'''
:'''[[Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels]]'''
:'''[[District B13]]'''
:'''[[Once Upon a Time in the West]]'''
:'''[[The Departed]]'''
:'''[[The Way of the Gun]]'''

== Favorite Guns ==

'''Winchester Model 52 Olympic rifle'''- My favorite .22 rifle. My Grandfather gave me this wonderful rifle and it is pretty much my baby.
----
'''[[Smith & Wesson 4506]]'''- Every body has a gun that suits them perfectly, and this is it for me
----
'''Browning A-Bolt Micro Hunter (Left handed in 7mm-08)'''-
----
'''Stag Arms 2TL'''- only AR variant that I can shoot comforatably because I'm a leftie. Really acccurate at long ranges despite the relative shortness of the carbine (maybe it has something to do with the big ass Russian scope I have on it).
----
'''Ruger Speed Six (snub nose)'''- My favorite snubby. I grew up shooting this gun and have only seen it malfunction once
----
'''[[Smith & Wesson Model 686]]P'''-In my opinion it is the best revolver in the world. 7 rounds of .38 or .357. Accurate, fits my hands and doesn't kick at all.
----
'''[[Ruger Redhawk]]'''
----
'''[[FN FAL]]'''- I finally got one, and I love it
----
'''Double Barreled Shotguns'''
----
'''Kimber Team Match II and Desert Warrior'''- Best 1911's I have ever shot.
----
'''FN FNP'''- This may be the only polymer frame pistol that I would ever consider buying.
----
'''Smith & Wesson Model 6906'''
----
'''[[Browning Hi-Power]]'''- C'mon, do I really need to explain why I like this gun?
----
'''[[Browning Buckmark Pistol]]'''
----
'''[[Winchester Model 88]]'''
----
'''[[Makarov PM]]'''

==Favorite TV shows/Anime==
:'''[[Black Lagoon]]'''
:'''The Mighty Boosh'''
:'''The Best Defense'''
:'''Shooting USA'''
:'''American Rifleman'''
:'''Top Gear'''
:'''Survivorman'''
:'''Ultimate Force'''

==Favorite Games==
:'''[[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl ]]'''
:'''[[Far Cry 2]]'''
:'''Elder Scrolls: Oblivion'''
:'''[[Call of Duty 2]]'''
:'''Saint's Row series'''
:'''[[Kane and Lynch: Dead Men ]]'''
:'''Godfather series'''
:'''[[Fallout 3]]'''
:'''[[Left 4 Dead]] series'''
:'''Max Payne series'''
:'''[[Grand Theft Auto IV]]'''

Talk:Marked for Death

2011-05-05T23:34:16Z

S&Wshooter:

Can anyone ID this weapon? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:47, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:MFD 012.jpg]]

It's a Squeeze type palm Pistol. I can't tell you the exact type but that should help you in finding out more.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 07:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the information! --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

If I remember correctly its French. I have a book with info on one, but posting it would be copyright infringement. [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]] 21:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:Posting the knowledge you gleaned from your book is NOT Copyright infringement. Photos ARE technically a copyright infringement. Why not update the written info? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== 1911 Slide ==

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9530/9767625281.jpg

The slide is probably taken from a Springfield Omega 10mm. The 6-inch slide seems to have been cut and trasformed to the normal 5-inch 1911 slide to get the compensator. As you can see by comparing photos of custom and original, the compensation holes, even if modified, are in the same point.

Unfortunately, the Omega page I created was deleted for inactivity. --[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 09:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

=Seagal's 1911==
Collectors Firearms of Houston has it for sale
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=31559
-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:34, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Marked for Death

2011-05-05T23:30:43Z

S&Wshooter:

User talk:Bunni

2011-03-04T23:36:58Z

S&Wshooter: Forum error

==Site down==
Was it my imagination or was IMFDB down for at least one day? Is this something we should be concerned about? :) Was it the server change over? Things DO LOOK much faster right now. :) Hope everything is okay and we haven't moved the servers to Haiti or some other hurricane ravaged place. ;) MPM2008

==Hey==
Hey Bunni, thanks for helping me create the Resident Evil page, just to let you know it's all done. Also, I wanted to know if you allowed 18th century weapons on this site too because I'm thinking about doing a page on The Last Samurai. Thanks.

== Reply ==

Thanks, I just wanted to make sure it was okay with you before I started, and no problem, it was fun creating the Resident Evil page.

== The Last Samurai is finished ==

Hey Bunni, I just wanted to let you know The Last Samurai page is finished, but some of the images I put up might need to be fixed. Sorry to bother you about it, but I don't know how to make the images fit together as well as you can. And also, I noticed you are creating a page on Heroes. I know a website where you can find the guns used on the show, go to this site:

http://heroeswiki.com/Main_Page

And search weapons, and it should bring you to a page that shows you the weapons that are used in the show, hope it helps.

== Taking a short break. ==

Hey Bunni, I just want to let you know I'll be taking a short break so I can think of a film to make a page about next. Also, thanks for editing the pages Orca and I made and putting them on Wikipedia.

== Image:Prof-Case.jpg semi-autos ==

Took a look at the pistols in Image:Prof-Case.jpg, and I believe the one in the back is a Beretta Inox while the one in the front seems to be some sort of custom job using a 1911 frame. I think the revolver -might- be a Taurus of some kind. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for the tip, that looks like the gun. RE: Apocalypse should be done today, I just have to add three more guns.

== Re: Scarface ==

Thanks, I also like the job you did on Saving Private Ryan, you take better pictures then I do! Also, it might be awhile before I make another movie page, I have to get more Fullscreen dvds because most of my dvds are in Widescreen, and my picture don't come out so good with the two black bars at the top and bottom of the screen, but I'll do as much as I can. And thanks again for commenting my work on Scarface.

== The Beretta/M16 issue ==

I think that the [[M16 rifle series]] page should be kept together, since the guns listed on the page are essentially the same weapon, though giving the Beretta 93R its' own page is possible, so long as it's done well and kept up to the same quality standards as the other gun pages on the site. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

: I'm afraid I goofed on making a page for the Beretta 93R; it somehow ended up getting labeled as "[[Beretta 92]]". If you could fix this, I'd greatly appreciate it. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:: Disreguard, [[Alienqueen11]] took care of it. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]]

== Merge Sig Sauer P220-series pistol pages? ==

I would like to suggest that all the pages for the Sig-Sauer P220-series pistols be merged into one, since they're all essentially variants of the same weapon. This merger would include the [[Sig Sauer P226]] and [[Sig Sauer P228]] pages, and any others I might have overlooked. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 16:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

: I've copied the Sig P228 material onto the Sig P226 page, I just need someone to retitle the P226 page and redirect the P228 page. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 20:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== RE: Congrats ==

Thanks, that's great that they're featuring it. It's also good for this site since it's being advertised. And sure, I'll keep checks on the Scarface page, I already deleted one vulgar comment, I wonder how you block users like that from editing.

== We need moderators ==

Hey Bunni, I was wondering if you knew how to get some moderators on this site to block some of the users because there's been alot of vandalism since we're gettting alot more visitors. This one user deleted the content on the main page, Scarface, wallpaper, and support, but don't worry I fixed them.

== Relation between IMFDB and a former Wikipedia article? ==

Hey Bunni, I was curious, aside from the overall theme, is there any relation between this site and the former Wikipedia article "List of Firearms in Films" and its' sister article, "List of Firearms in Video Games? I was a frequent contributor to that article and a fervent advocate against its' deletion, and was wondering if that article is living on here? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Adding Admininstrators ==

Sure, I be more then happy to take up the status, just let me know when it's done, Thanks alot. Alienqueen11.

== Re: Wikipedia article ==

I'm afraid I don't know any of the admins over at Wikipedia, I'm just another user there. As for your suggestion that I be a moderator here, I could give it a shot. Also, don't forget to retitle the [[Sig Sauer P226]] page so it covers all the P220-series pistols, and/or let me know how to do it should you give me moderator privledges. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Suggestion for movie articles ==

I just had an idea to help add something to the movie articles. How about adding movie poster or DVD/VHS cover images to them, like their articles over at Wikipedia have? Just a thought. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Sig P220 pistol page ==

Thanks for fixing the Sig Sauer P220 pistol page. I'll start fixing the links as nessicary. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 02:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Re:Digg ==

Cool, You mean vote for it? I have to have an account there to do it, I'll make one.
I just voted for or digged it, it has 7 diggs now.

== New Category suggestion ==

Hey Chris, I was wondering if you could make a new category for movie posters & video covers? I'm considering adding movie posters & case cover images to some of the articles to improve them, but need a category to put those pictures in, since they don't exactly qualify as screenshots. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Cover and Poster Categories ==

How about we combine them together into "Poster and Cover Art"? make things a bit simpler and avoid mis-categorizing. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 02:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Poster and Cover Art category created ==

I just created the "Poster and Cover Art" category. If you could create a link for it on the main page, I would appreciate it. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Funny ==

lol, that is funny. I still have more stuff to add before it's complete though. And also, when do you need those revolvers from Sin City identified? Alienqueen11.

== Sin City Revolvers ==

I know some of those revolvers you're uploading, would you like me to tell you what they are here, or do you just want me to edit the screenshots? Alienqueen11.

== RE: Sin City ==

Yeah, I was thinking that too, plus a few of them look like Colt Peacemakers or Single Action Armies.

== Call for screenshots ==

I was wondering if you or Alienqueen111 could help add some screenshots to some of the film & game articles I've made? I'm only limited to images I've been able to scour off the internet, which sadly isn't much. Any help you two could provide would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Update on SC. ==

I identified some of weapons, and created some headlines for them and placed thier screenshots were they needed to be. but there are still four unknown guns though. Alienqueen11.

== Re: Screenshots ==

Thanks man, I appreciate it. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Ghost's 'mystery pistol' in The ''Matrix Reloaded'' ==

From what I've been able to dig up, it looks like Ghost ([[Andrew Wong]])'s mystery pistol in ''[[The Matrix Reloaded]]'' is a customized SIG P220-series pistol, most likely a P229. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 03:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

== Screenshots ==

Hey bunni, do you how to take a screenshot from a Widescreen movie and not have those two black bars?

Nevermind actually, I found a way to get rid of the black bars. Alienqueen11.

== BHD M1911A1 ==

Why did you delete the M1911A1 pistol from the ''[[Black Hawk Down]]'' article? That weapon is indeed used in there by the Delta Force operators. In the scene at the beginning of the film where Blackburn and Eversmann first meet, you can see one of the Deltas draw and fire his M1911A1 on the shooting range. It is also used by Delta snipers Shughart and Gordon in their ill-fated attempt to defend the second crash site. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 20:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

== Shoot 'Em Up ==

In Shoot'Em UP, Mr. Smith is not firing a AKS-47U and the men chasing Mr.Smith are not firing FN SCAR's they both are armed with Mico Gali's.

[[Image:Galil_m.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Micro Galil.]]

The picture you have of the FN SCAR is not correct. You have a picture of a 'Robinson Arms XCR' with an EoTech sight. Here is a picture of an FN SCAR.

[[Image:FN_SCAR_-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN SCAR with Aim Point sight.]]

On a side note the SCAR has not been released to the civilain market yet, just like the H&K G36.--[[User:Gunner313|Gunner313]] 17:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

== No Problem ==

No Problem, I blocked that user, and undid all his edits with the help of another user using an IP address so everything should be fine now. Alienqueen11.

== Pistol ID Needed ==

Hey, do you think you could ID this pistol? I was browsing still images from ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' on IMDB and came upon this pic:

[[Image:TWINEPistol.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The "Cigar Lady" moments before using an unknown pistol to blow up a hot air balloon and kill herself in ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'']]

Any help would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 20:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Glad to see you back! ==

Sorry about my absence, my computer ate it hard back in mid-september, and my internet access has been spotty at best (presently using my mom's laptop, hence why I haven't made pages for some of the things I've seen in the interim). I'm trying to get my computer back up, but it's looking to be a lengthy process due to financial troubles. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]]

== About [[Snatch]] ==

There are a bunch of pictures of the S&W 686 being used, but when you click the pics, it says they're Colt Pythons. The pictures aren't that clear, so I can't be too sure, but at least one (the pic with the titles in it and the arm in the picture) is very likely not a Colt Python. The Python has a noticeable "railing" on the top of the barrel. S&Ws don't. The "Boris" picture, though, does look like a Python, although the top of the gun is hard to see.

==thanks==
is this how this works? I hope so. anyway, thanks for the message. I was thinking about signing up.

== RE: SVT-40 ==

It's too big to upload here, but here's an imageshack link:
http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tokarevsvt40fa7.jpg

I paid about $300 for mine after a large number were imported to Canada, they're going for $400-$500 now as they got bought up. We got them because Russia signed a agreement with the Clinton government not to export certain firearms (including the SVT-40) to the US.

I will warn you, it's a real pain to strip, so if you're at all lazy about cleaning don't fire surplus ammo in it. I use Igman and Bell almost exclusively, it's still pretty cheap and I don't feel bad about firing it in some of my rarer rifles.

== Shooter ==

Hey Bunni, can you please upload more images for [[Shooter]] when you get the chance, I want to see more great screenshots. I'll greatly appreciate it, thanks.

==Re:Platoon==
Thanks. I still got plenty to do. It should be done in an hou or two.

By the way, why did you pick Platoon for the front page? Just curious.

And if okay with you, you should add some of the larger articles like [[Hard Boiled]] (biggest with 54 guns) or one of my lesser ones like [[Last Action Hero]]. Or find articles that convey the different time periods. My [[Quigley Down Under]] page shows the 19th century side of the site. [[Heat]] should definately deserve a spot on the main page, being such an infamous gun movie. Sorry to advertize my work, I'm just shooting some ideas. Great site, still got many more articles to come. On my to-do list are Rambo II & III, and I got this western film called "Young Guns" to do. I might do [[The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly]] eventually. Weekends will be my time to shine now that I'm back to school. -[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Check out the vandal==
Some moron is now vandalizing the [[Commando]] Page. His last comment when i said 'not to delete page contents and replace them with gibberish' was ''"It's fun. Good luck"''. But he changes his IP address every time.'' ((Edit: AlienQueen took care of it. Thanks! ) I hate these vandals. ''

==Old site + front page==

I'm trying to make the front page code function again so that we can see the same stuff we used to see, but no go. Also, someone is still editing the old site, apparently after accessing it via the link on the front page...maybe we should lock it so that source code can still be copied, but no new changes can be made?

== Images ==

I noticed that the images of guns and screenshots on movie pages on this server are a little pixaleted and fuzzy when they were crystal clear on the old server. I'm sorry to bug you about this issue, but I would like to know if this is just a bug that will be worked out (hopefully), thanks. --[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

You're the second person to tell me this - but I don't see it at all in my browsers? I've looked on OS X and Windows XP with Firefox, Safari, Internet Explorer, and Chrome... [[Special:Contributions/76.174.56.4|76.174.56.4]] 02:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

:Same here. I've been looking at several articles (mostly my own, admittedly), and I don't notice a difference. It might be the fact that I'm viewing the site on a laptop with a pretty small 13" screen, but I also viewed the site this morning on my desktop at work, which has a 19" monitor, and again...no difference in image quality that I could see.

I think I've found a solution, I found that if I change my Magnification from 100% to 101%, the images on the pages look fine, the page is a little wider, but it looks better. I think the site could have been slightly more magnified on the last server, is this possible?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Main Page==

I added some more pages to the feed on the Main Page. Not just my own either...old favorites like ''[[Heat]]'' (still our most popular) and ''[[The Matrix]]'', as well as various articles from the past few months by myself, Gunmaster, MoviePropMaster, and Orca. My criteria was to add thorough pages that have screencaps for all of the guns listed, and which generally meet high standards. This is, of course, your site, so feel free to judge which pages meet your standards for the Main Page, but I just think we should make sure we're promoting the best pages by our users.

:Hah! I could hardly call it my site - too many great users, including yourself, have made huge contributions of time and energy to call it *mine* - I'm just trying to keep the hardware up to our growing needs and the site backed up daily! :) [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 03:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

::LOL...thanks, dude, but seriously, you started it, and you run it, so that does ''kinda'' make it yours, no?

::BTW, what's wrong with the article feed? I've tried a couple of little edits that haven't made it work any better. Any idea what bug is causing that? Also, I edited the proportions of things slightly...the "Featured Page" now takes up 65% of the horizontal width, and the "Featured Image" 35%, which seems a little more ideal. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::The article feed relies on an extension that's giving me nothing but errors at the moment... I'm looking for a different version or a bug fix... [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 06:06, 3 October 2008
(UTC)

==Uzi==
The Uzi page is down last I checked, thought I'd let you know. -GM

== Moderating ==

Hey Bunni, I sorry to bother you about this, but there is a bug with my moderating abilities. I am unable to block users who vandalize or spam pages, there are these two users who inserted gibberish into [[The Rock]] page and [[Commando]] Talk page, and I'm unable to do anything about them. If this isn't too much trouble for you, can you fix this as soon as possible? Thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 17:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Admin Rights ==

I'm sorry, but I'm still getting an error message. Any ideas to what could be going on?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Here's the Database error message:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "Block::insert". MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'ipb_by_text' in 'field list' (localhost)".

I'll going leave a message on Orca's talk page right now asking if he has the same issue.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

==Unregistered Users==
I think anonymous users should only be allowed to edit a page if they have an account because any random troll can defile these pages whenever they please and if they register and troll, they are easier to ban. Also, when an anonymous user messages you, you can't respond back. By all means they should be allowed to read and view the pages but they shouldn't be allowed to defile the pages we work so hard on so much whenever. I know they can be blocked but still they do it so much, something should be permenantly done. Does it sound like a good idea? I'm not trying to make things harder for you so if it is too hard to do, dismiss my message. It's just when the Commando page and other pages keep getting trolled it makes me mad.
P.S. What do you think of the new and improved [[Saving Private Ryan]] page I spent all day on? -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]

== Re: Which User? ==

I contacted Orca, and he has the same problem. Go to the [[Commando]] talk page, and look at the revision history and it's the first user down, and on [[The Rock]] page, there was a user that vandalized the page, but it has since been undone. Also be sure to read Gunmaster45's comment, it sounds like a way to protect the site, but I'm also afraid the site will loose activity if done so. I'll be sure to create a new account Thursday or Friday, I'll let you know the name when I do. Thanks, and good luck.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:47, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:Personally, I don't agree with the idea of banning anonymous users from editing, for precisely the reason Alienqueen has cited. However, I do think we should probably get some more moderators around here. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Okay, it was a ''bit'' harsh, but I was just throwing out ideas. In most cases, anonymous users make unprofessional pages, add incorrect info randomly, troll, and other things which wouldn't be missed (But not all. Some of the more knowledgable ones should just sign in with a user name and join the club), yet the main lot of us on the site with user names makes new professional pages and add good pictures everyday. I'm saying if it is harder to edit the site, more of the negative editors are weeded out and more of the dilligent users will sign in. And if a die-hard troll does sign in, he is far easier to ban and prevent future trolling. Obviously my plan is flawed but not a horrible idea. -[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

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My 2 cents on the issue. The person who was vandalizing the [[Commando]] page was doing it repeatedly from different IP addresses. IP addresses that changed from minute to minute, so this guy must have been doing it from a computer room at a school/college, or at a workplace with lots of IP addresses. This anonymous vandal taunted me with the words "Good Luck!" & "It's fun!" when I warned him to stop messing with IMFDB pages. One has to weigh the consequences, and personally, making it so that certain targeted pages are protected by these individuals, (and have to be edited only by persons who have bothered to make an online account), is a good compromise. Any other course of action, we can quickly lose control of IMFDB to people whose only desire is to do it harm. This comment coming from a member (me) who had to UNDO this weirdo's vandalism THREE times in the course of a few hours. If that had spread to the rest of the site ... I shudder to think what would happen. The fact that we have MODS who are willing to protect the site from this intentional vandalism is a good thing, and such action keeps members like myself from abandoning the site. I appreciate the quick action taken to protect the page. Members take a lot of their time to building good pages and it's one thing to lose info due to a hardware issue and it's another entirely to spend all one's time undoing the gibberish from a bunch of infantile internet vandals. Just something to think about. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

I just created a new account called [[User: Tyrannosaurus|Tyrannosaurus]], so you can try to upgrade whenever you're ready.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::I can understand the frustration with these vandals. However, the fact is, most anonymous users are perfectly law-abiding and make useful contributions to the site. The way I look at it (and I say this as a libertarian who believes in personal freedom and responsibility), it's similar to the issue many of us have with gun control laws: A few gangbangers shoot up their "hoods" with AKs, so the liberals feel the need to ban everyone, including law-abiding citizens, from owning AKs. And the liberals might argue, "Well, if we don't ban assault weapons, think of all the criminals and terrorists who are going to use them to out-gun the police and take control of the streets!" But most of us would disagree with that, no? It's the same issue of freedom and responsibility here. I've had some pages I've worked on vandalized, and it's annoying, but it is fairly simple to undo the damage (go to "Page History", select the version that precedes the vandalism, and undo it). I think the biggest issue is the lack of available moderators to ban the vandals as soon as they strike. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Nominations for new mods? ==

The site has a lot of great users who I would be happy to have as additional moderators - however not everyone wants the responsibility. So, rather than foisting administrator status on some users I'd love for you guys to either step up to the plate or nominate other users you trust. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 19:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC) [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 19:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to say this, but it still won't let me block them.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Hey, Bunni, I would like to know if you can make [[User: MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] an adminstrator because a user has been uploading over his images, and I would like to put locks on his images so only he can upload new versions and revert them. Also, sorry if I'm bothering you, but did you ever find out what the bug was? I would really like to have the ability to block people again, because right now it would be very useful.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to say this but it still refuses to work, but it sounds like you getting close to solving the problem, I'm unable to block Users or IP adresses, but I'm still able to protect and delete pages, I think it says the error is in the function "Block::insert". . Is there a possiblity moving to a new server could fix the problem? (Not that you have to, It's just a thought). But thanks for making MPM2008 a mod though.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thank you so much, Bunni. I'm going to ban all the vandals we couldn't before now. If you still have the nomination thing up, I would like to recommend [[User: Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] and [[User: MT2008|MT2008]] for positions as new Admins. I will also let Orca and MPM2008 know about the good news. Once again, thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

==RE:Top pages==
The page still needs a lot of work though. I'm still working on adding cars and knifes to the Punisher dicussion page for anyone to use, so I can't. Other wise, I would try. Any ideas on how to automate the page so it changes the information on its own? -GM

==The Leone Trilogy==
I just finished the last of the three Sergio Leone westerns, [[A Fistful of Dollars]], [[For a Few Dollars More]], and [[The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly]]. I was wondering if their is any way to put them in order on the "next page" options and in order on the movie page instead of alphabetical order. It isn't a big deal but let me know if you can. Also, keep your eyes out for my next projects. I just got [[Last Man Standing]] in the mail today and I also planning to do The Whole Nine Yards and The Whole Ten Yards soon. -GM
:That sounds like a good idea. -GM

== Beast of War ==

Hey Bunni, Orca discovered another bug on the site. [[The Beast of War]] page is broken for some reason. If you can find a solution to that, I would be thankful.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

==Defiance==
Hope you don't mind. I replaced some of your pics on the ''[[Defiance]]'' page along with some other screencaps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Forums ==

Good Job on getting the forum back, but I recommend you put the anti-spam thing on it like you did with the one before the crash. Because you're already getting spammers on the off topic forum now.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

==Empty pages==
Anonymous users have been making far too many empty pages and it's kinda getting out of hand. Is there anyway we can stop anonymous users from making pages (before I was thinking too harshly by saying they shouldn't be able to edit the site), now I think it is a little less harsh if we can stop them from making the 20 empty pages a day. Even if this isn't possible, is there any way we can notify them to stop making these empty pages? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 21:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Another Mod recommendation ==

Hey Bunni, it's me again, and I have another mod recommendation. If you can make [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] an admin, it would appreciated. He has done alot of great work on the site, and is deserving of a promotion. Thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

==Who's User:Tyrannosaurus?==
It says he is a sysop, and I've never heard of him nor seen him post. Did you or WikiSysop give him this rank or is there foul play? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Speakeasy804==
Bunni, you may have noticed [[User:Speakeasy804]] has been doing an exceedingly good job of screencapping pages for some time now (sometimes two or three in a day!), do you think you could make him an Administrator, I think he's earned it. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Thanks! ==

Thank you very much for the new privilege! I'm honored and I'll try and keep up the good work! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

==Screenshots==

Bunni, please do tell...how are we doing as far as server capacity goes? Do you want me (and other admins) to engage in another huge deleting spree of unused images/pages? We did it a while ago, but if it would help, please don't hesitate to ask.

Also, what kind of server upgrade do you need? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, I admit that many of us (myself included) have been getting WAY out of hand with screencaps. I used to make pages where I might have 10 images for a single gun, which is definitely overdoing it. And since many of our pages are the ones getting used for the Featured Article section, it makes sense. If you want, we can always start enforcing rules against having so many screencaps.

:As far as the new server goes, how much are you going to need? In the forum, we've discussed the possibility of finding advertisers. This site's Main Page has had over 1,000,000 views, and in the last month since we reached that benchmark, we've now had close to 200,000 more. At that rate, we can definitely start shopping around for sponsorship deals, especially in the American gun owning community. It might help with finding money to upgrade servers.

:The idea for the Main Page that you have seems like a decent enough idea, but I just worry that it will take away a great deal of the visual splendor from the site. After all, featured pages do a great job of showing casual viewers what IMFDB is like. An alternative might be to start being a LOT more frugal about what pages we put on. We can limit it only to articles that have, say, no more than 20 guns and no more than 3 images of each. I would be willing to edit some of my pages to fit this standard. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:00, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::I know what you're saying about the featured page, and that was my intention when I first added featured articles to the front page - but at this point we are receiving enough traffic that it has become a serious strain. I've just updated the front page with a couple examples of what I was talking about using only one screenshot and then linking to the article. We have so many new visitors daily that I think it's important our front page load quickly so they can access the rest of the site - I don't want to discourage new visitors with an unusually long load time as their very first experience with the imfdb. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 04:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Understandable. Anyway, what about revenue from advertising? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==A new member asked me for help==

Here is the repost of his query... Any idea why the system keeps kicking him out?

::I am having difficulty trying to assist with the website. I have registered using the user name "sgtmonroe". Unfortunately I cannot seem to get anything to work on the website. Everytime I go to a page to upload an image, or something to that effect, I get logged out.

::I am the "mystery user" that posted some additional information under the "Wild Geese" entry about the actors and firearms [such as the M1934 Beretta, SIG P-210, etc.]. For some reason when I posted my user name would not show up. I cannot figure out why the site keeps logging me out...even when I check the "Remember my login on this computer " box.

::I would love to assist with the website...I have prepared screen caps for the film "Lost Command" and was going to update the page for it...since the entry is very lacking...the film features around 25 different firearms...yet the entry just has the "MAT 49" at this time.

::I would appreciate any assistance you could afford me...BTW...after reading the forum entries I have noticed a trend in the complaints...just for your information I am 40 yo, former military and current law enforcement, can form a complete sentence, and have been a film "couch commando" pretty much my entire life...oh, and I own real guns!

::Thanks for any help as well as your time concerning this matter.

::C.A. Monroe

Thanks
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

==Template==
Thanks for the note. To the mods: Though my own preference is strongly towards chronological order, I can accede to the wishes of the majority. I do like the format of Title First, before actor. Please note all, in the [[Steyr AUG]] page that the title, then character, then actor template, dovetails nicely into the other genres (television) but also Anime and Video games. Since there is no Character in some and no Actor in Anime or Videgame, I think this order maintains the same look from Film all the way down to VG. Thanks and please look at the page to see what I was referring to. Thanks again. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

==Account(maybe you could help)==
I had to make another account because [[User: Kenny99|Kenny99]] has account problems. When I clicked on to my user page, it is always blank and nothing else. I am not sure why this happens, but I uploaded a drawing from my camera, uploaded it, and the uploading progress disappears. I don't know why, but probably my camera probably has problems. - [[User:Kenny199|Kenny199]] 02:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
*Never mind, it is solved. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 05:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

== Help! ==

Bunni, I really need your help, there is an error on this site preventing us from undoing revisons on Pages and Images, and this asshole named Hieloco just ruined a few of MoviePropMaster2008's images, and I can't fix them, please respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I just sent you a message concerning this on your Gmail.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Bunni, and yeah, I was assuming Unixy was someone was an administrator or someone like that. I'd also think the bug is affecting some pages such as a few talk pages too because if you look at ones such as Orca's and yours, a whole bunch of text in missing at the top, but it appears in the edit page. Anyway, whatever it is, I wish the best of luck in fixing it, and thanks for your help again. P.S sorry if I overreacted earler.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:42, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

==the Mystery IP address==
If you look at the recent activity page, ANYONE who has edited without logging in has the same IP address :) It's some serious X-Files stuff goin' on! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

==Thanks==
I will only exercise the function when deleting or banning spammers (don't know how to do that yet, but the next time someone spams the forums with gibberish, I'll get the chance to practice). Thanks again. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

==Thanks for deleting the old re-directs==
Those were back in the days before I was able to delete spam pages. As a regular member, all I could do was blank the page and change it into a legitimate gun or movie page. Anyway, that hasn't been an issue for a long time. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

== forum login ==

Well the weird thing is that there were 2 instances when the forum asked for my password when I wanted to delete and ban a spam bot. Those 2 instances when I typed my password correctly, it lead to a thing that said that it was the wrong password and that I should wait 15 minutes to try again. I then clicked on the button that saids send me password to my email to see if I did used the wrong password, but I never got any emails from the forum. Later on, when I tried again, I was able to delete spambots by typing in my password, unchanged. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

==Rules page==
Sorry, it seemed as if we were conflicting each other's edits. I will stop if you want to flesh out the page uninterrupted :) My apologies. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

==Insulting actors==
I was torn on putting it in the commentary section (which I have not had time to flesh out yet) rather than the principles section. It could belong in either section. In the commentary section I was going to address (a) inappropriate comments (b) moving commentary to the discussion page, (c) insulting actors (d) noting that observing flaws or goofs or anachronisms in a scholarly way is not being insulting (e) to limit sarcasm in all descriptions and commentary on pages (f) limit requoting entire sections of the movie in commentary 'just because it's cool' .... stuff like that. I'll put it in whatever section you deem appropriate though. Just let me know. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

==My forum login is still screwed up==
Not only can I not log in most of the time, the forum logs me OUT after a few minutes. I was composing a response to a question and I was logged out and not, again, cannot log back in. Can this be fixed? No much I can do as a Mod if I can't get into the forums. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

==Forum problems login==
Yes, I cannot login most of the time, because when I click on 'remember me', even if I carefully type in the correct username and password, I still get booted out with the warning that I've used up my login attempts, WTF? Only if I don't click on 'remember me' can I log in, but then I get logged out very quickly (within fifteen minutes) I know this because I was composing a forum reply to someone and just as I was about to post it, I got a NEW error message that I must be logged in, in order to post, but I was already logged in. So when I tried again to log in, I got the same Error message that I had used up all of my login attempts, even though the last time I tried to log in was obviously successful. I gave up trying to reply to ANYONE's forum posts, because I get booted out alot and can't get back in. Hopefully this description helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for the explaination-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

==I still can't get into the FORUM==
I've tried many times. I always get this when I try to log in for the first time....
[[Image:QuoteUsedUp.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]
It's really ridiculous. I was given Mod powers to delete and block spammers but I spend HOURS where I cannot get in. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

==You won't believe this==
Score! I've been holding off uploading these because I'm still waiting on an image for the [[Heartbreak Ridge']] page (their weapons are set up slightly differently) so I hope people will wait to update that page until I can get a good image for that page.

===Say Hello to My Little Friend!!!===
[[Scarface]] fans will crap in their pants. Got the ACTUAL '''screen used''' LITTLE FRIEND. Now I used black gaffers tape and taped two 30 round magazines together as best I could (to try to match the screenshots). Do you think that was smart? or should I just present it with a plain magazine? Anyway, I did that because I wanted people to see it as it was most seen in the movie (Wow that launcher is beat up, it's been 25 years after all since the movie was filmed!!!!) It is also the old launchers that were used before the Cobray 37mm launchers became prevalent.
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony Montanas' 'Little Friend' from the movie [[Scarface]] - Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16A1 - 5.56mm/39mm]]

===Screen used Zabala Shotgun===
This IS the gun used by 'The Skull' [[Gino Silva]] to blast Tony Montana in the movie. I also included a closeup shot of the top of the gun to show the markings.
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun_Scarface.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie [[Scarface]] - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:SBS-ShotgunTOP_Scarface.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Top of the Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie [[Scarface]] - 12 gauge. Note manufacturer markings on the top of the shotgun.]]

===RUN! GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!!!===
Recognize this lovely? I've been waiting to get pics for the [[Predator]] page for a while. So many weapons have either been sold off or taken apart and reconfigured for other movies.
[[Image:M16M203PredatorCombo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16/SP1 Rilfe - 5.56mm/39mm. Configured as it appeared in the movie.]]

'''IMFDB is the only place in the WORLD, now that has these images. How cool is that?''' :) I got some screen used muskets from Last of the Mohicans (from private collections), which is interesting since I usually don't get many pre 1848 weapons.
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

==The new 870==

Nice shotgun you got there, Chris! I was in the market for a shotgun myself recently, and I thought about getting the 870 Express Tactical (with the rails and the door breacher), but ultimately decided on the Mossy 500 Mariner instead (because the stainless look won me over). Here's mine:

[[Image:MTMariner-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|(I now have a pistol grip for it, too)]]

Still, that 870 looks sweet. Again, good choice. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

:Congrats on the 229R, too. As for me, I love my SIG. It's a good, dependable shooter and far more accurate than I can ever hope to be. As for the 229, it's a good choice, although I personally find it a bit too wide (its grip circumference is a bit wider than that of the 226 and 228). But I'm sure you'll like it. It's a very popular LE pistol, and for good reason. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

==Interesting email I recieved==

I recieved an interesting email today in regards to deleting a duplicate image of an [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]], filename 'RKG-3 GRENADE REPLICA.jpg' and I thought I should share it to see what you and the other senior admins think of it. Below is the bulk of the message in its entirety:

"Hello,

Thank you for the image update on IMFDB, we didn’t load those images originally due to copyright issues and chose to use an image from our company website instead. Any questions you have regarding ordnance or weapons feel free to send an email. Thank you and any questions, please do not hesitate to let me know.

Sincerely,

M. Patrick Jordan
Sales and Logistics

INERT PRODUCTS, LLC.
INERT EXPLOSIVE TRAINING PRODUCTS
Email - Sales@Inertproducts.com
Phone: 1-570-341-3751
Fax: 570-300 -1693
http://www.inertproducts.com"

If I'm interpreting this correctly, it sounds like someone uploaded a copyrighted image without permission and the owners of the image emailed me to thank me for removing it. What do you think? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

==Deseart Eagle page edit==
Hey, I know your not the original creator but since you the second person to work on it and the original creator doesn't have a page, I figured I would ask you. I was wondering if I can fix up the Desert Eagle page by turning the lists into tables and ordering them in the correct time line. I just wanted your permission before I started screwing around on that page. Thanks, --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 23:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
PS:Same with the Colt Python page. Thanks again.

==Small image upload problem==
I just tried to upload a new version of this [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ATeamS2_2006.jpg] image, but for some reason it wont show. I tried reverting to it, but to no avail.
Can you do something about this? Thanks in advance! --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]]

Thanks for answering, but no, it still does not work. When I try to replace a screenshot the first time it refuses to do so and ''re-uploads the original'' instead http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ATeamS2_2009.jpg.
The one picture that seems to work only has a working thumbnail. Try clicking the picture and it will redirect you to the old version. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]]

Alright, I had to upload them on a German site, imageshack isnt working for me. All of the pictures are replacements for old ones, mostly by Ben41.

Image:ATeamS2 2010.jpg

http://image-upload.de/image/YaExce/92636f426b.jpg

Image:ATeamS2 2013.jpg

http://image-upload.de/image/Twizs9/fe9f2b64f5.jpg

Note how this one was actually replaced, but the thumbnail in the article hasn't changed...:

Image:ATeamS2 2009.jpg

http://image-upload.de/image/SADs3Y/8a67f57a96.jpg

...while the thumbnail for this one changed, but actual pic wasn´t replaced:

Image:ATeamS2 2006.jpg

http://image-upload.de/image/ZGOmxt/1cf76d3fc1.jpg

Image:ATeamS2 2005.jpg
http://image-upload.de/image/Cz4I8p/cbc91f355f.jpg
Since IMFDB is all about quality I figured that they should make way for improved screncaps.

Thank you for helping with this. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]]

==Template:FeaturedArticle==
Would it be okay if I changed the pics on the [[3:10 to Yuma (2007)]] & [[Live Free or Die Hard]] Featured Article? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:08, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I changed them, if you think they're lame now. Please revert them back to yours or tell me and I'll do it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==Member having trouble creating an account on forum==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/User:Milkovich

he wrote to me:
:** Well, my account remains deactivated. Attempted to make a new thread and post replies, but nothing works. I also checked my spam folder to see if I got an e-mail with some sort of activation link (just in case), but no e-mail was ever send. :--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 08:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Have any advice for him? :) regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

==Feature article problems==
Sometimes the feature article is not showing up on the main page. I think it has just started in the last few days. It may have been doing it before, but I never noticed. Could it be the number of articles on the feature list, even though it's random? 3 new articles have been added in the last few days, I've added one of them. I usually try to take an old article off before adding another. Just wondering what the problem could be.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:28, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

==Note my comment to the NUTCASE 'inventor' on the Total Recall Page==
If he were real he would NOT be talking to a lawyer. Despite being a gun inventor, he sounds like a kid when he writes. In order to be liable, one must inflict some sort of 'damage' whether to reputation, marketing, sales, review, etc. This guy is 2 bottles short of a sixpack based on his comments. I have no problem telling him where to shove it. (his rant was moved to discussion page and my response as well) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

== Axeman and Lost Images ==

On the [[Lost]] page, the user Axeman keeps reverting the screencaps back to originals he put up. Axeman's images weren't cropped and were too dark. I put up a comparison of his images next to mine on the Lost Discussion page. I think mine would be preferable, but I want to get some other opinions. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

Ok, Question I need to ask.

I notice that this website operates alot like a wiki. How did you do that? Does it cost money to operate a website like this? The reason I am asking this is because I have my own Wiki, but, do to circumstances beyond my control, I must find a new home for this wiki. Why? Simple: Because the new layout SUCKS! Also I know this is asking alot, but Do you now a way I could do this change quickly? However the big thing is making act like a wiki, but having the good old layout that you somehow have. So please answer back.

P.S. Sweet 870. :) [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 20:33, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== Delete this page? ==

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/March_13%2C_2008

What is it for and do we need it? [[User:BurtReynoldsMoustache|BurtReynoldsMoustache]] 06:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

== Not allowing PNG's ==

Someone noted that if we're discouraging uploading of PNG files, then it should be removed as an acceptable format on the upload page. This has been asked in the forum, but is there a way to do that? Is there a way to just restrict the uploading of files to just JPG's only? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

==Searching Images==
In the "Screenshot" category, is there any way to increase the number of images seen in the page? Currently you can only search for 200 images at a time, and with the amount of images we now have, it takes forever just to get through the "A"'s. Another way maybe to put the Alphabetical index up there like the one seen on the Main Page? Thanks for your time. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:01, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

== Email ==

I tried to email you about that message you left on my talk page, but I never got a reply. So, um, hi? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

*Ok, I've sent you another. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:58, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

==New Web Design Error?==
When I log in, the new website design is gone and the old one appears, but when I open a picture, the new website design reappears again. Not sure if this is just my browser or something. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:30, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

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Talk:Far Cry 2

2011-03-03T22:25:26Z

S&Wshooter:

== AR-15 ==
Based on the burst fire and Picatinny rail, it seems to be an M16A4

::No, an M16A2 is the the burst fire one. The rails is a bit weird. And there's some kind of odd carrying handle kinda like the one you see on FALs.

True, but the M16A4 is the M16A2 with the Picatinny Rail. If you don't believe me, check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16A4#M16A4

No, if it is burst with a picatinny, it's an A4. A2's have a fixed handle, and are full auto, while an A3 has a removable handle and full-auto.

::Sorry, I forget sometimes. Never seen an A4 in action, an A2 isn't full auto. It's burst. The A1 and the A3 are the only full auto M16s not counting the original M16s. The A3 doesn't have a removable handle. That's why the A4 was created, but they switched back to burst.

Both the M16A3 and A4 models have removable carrying handles and a rail; however, the A3 is Full Auto and the A4 is Burst.

No, the A3 doesn't have the removable carrying handle, the A4 is the only one with the removable carrying handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Excalibur is right, A3's were FA but had an A2 carry handle, the confusion comes from some armorers have slapped A4 uppers onto A1 or other FA lowers.--[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

I've much wondered what this was, and I've come up with the following:
-M16A2 receiver and buttstock
-FAL handguards and carry handle
-Some sort of ACOGish scope--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:Typing AR-16 into wikipedia redirects to the AR-18 article. And the rifle's handguards don't look like FAL handguards. It does, however, have the FAL's carry handle.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

*This is largely why I haven't added a real gun picture to that section yet; I'm not sure if it's supposed to be an actual AR-16 prototype, an AR-18 or some sort of random M16A-something custom job. Similarly, I haven't done so for the Tranq rifle because I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a Remington 700 or an M40. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

**Now that you mention the AR-18, the handguards do like like those of an AR-18...--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 19:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, here's a shot of the reciever of the first one in the game:

[[Image:FC2-borkedAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

For your examination and identification. Also, I notice the selector switch is vertical, so apparently this is some weird safe-burst-auto configuration [or single is the third setting]. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

== Edits Summary==
Made a few edits to the page, detailed here:
*For some reason the last four items were sub-numbered as 26.1 26.2 etc, despite those entries having nothing to do with item 26.
*Added info about the bonus machetes.
*Added info about the AR-16 and made "Armalite" the primary name as that's the one most commonly used.
*Added info about gold AK-47s.
*Minor typographical and spelling edits, e.g. "fortune pack".
*Some minor grammatical changes ("in the game" as opposed to "in game") to make the article consistent.

Hope these are ok. [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 02:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== New screencaps ==

I've uploaded a few now and I'm doing the rest later; I know there's an inverted colour band on the right of these, that's just a compatibility issue between my capture device and my PS3 I can't do anything about. I'll see about replacing all these with shots from the PC version when I get it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 19:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

*I'm currently downloading the PC version [legally, before anyone grrs at this] and I have a map of all the diamond locations, so I should be able to get all the weapons again fairly quickly. I'm planning to screencap all the misfires / jams and weapon failures as well, since some of them are interesting or amusing [the entire front falls off the USAS-12, for example]. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 17:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Screencap all the reloads as well.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Well, first thing I've found; in possibly the stupidest design decision ever, FC2 saves screenshots as 1-2.5 meg PNGs. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 20:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::If you don't have a screencap of you firing an large caliber rifle with the caption " In the words of [[Tim Colceri]], "[[Full Metal Jacket|Get Some!]]" well, let's just say that things will not turn in your favor.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::It'll be a while before I can get my hands on an AS50 again [I recall there's a borked one in a mission, otherwise I'll have to wait until the South]. I will do so when it comes along, though. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 22:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::You can do it with an Machine Gun too. But it has to be an huge Machine gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::To reply to the above comment about--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 00:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC) gun failures, the ENTIRE front of the USAS just FALLS off, wow.
:::::As I recall, yes. I've only had the USAS blow up on me once, but I'm fairly sure it basically broke in half, the forearm, barrel and gas piston all coming away at the same time. I'll see when I get a new one. Getting shots of kBs should be easier on the PC version since I can quicksave before each shot. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 09:15, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
*Ok, done taking shots for tonight and about to switch PCs. Took 122 screenshots which wound up taking up 247 megs [!]. Now just need to pick out the good ones and get them uploaded. Won't have all the weapons today, but there's a good few of the missing ones I'm going to at least have something for. And those 122 include a lot of duplicates and hammering the screenshot button during reloads, so don't think they're all going in or anything silly like that. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 01:52, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
**There, that's all of them for now. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 04:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::There are still some guns missing. What happended to Tim though? He said that he would get screenshots of the jam animations. Also, the captions are way too funny. Good job Dongs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Tim is my login on my other PC since I forgot the password to this login. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:Shit, you could just write the password down or something.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::Anyway, the reason they're not all capped yet is I got the PC version - the older screencaps are PS3 captures which don't look as good, partly because my capture device is really only made for capping video, not high-quality stills. A run through the game takes a ''long'' time if you're trying to get all the weapons, so this article is going to be a while in the making; it's not like I have a set of existing quicksaves like Crysis or a devmode to quickly get the pictures like Far Cry. Plus I have to find good views to capture, since I'm not fond of videogame articles where the player is looking at the same thing in every shot [see [[Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix]] for a particularly good example of why]. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Also, put gun pictures on the sections. Thanks!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::::And take some pictures of the non-golden AK-47 and pictures of the FALs that are in good condition.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, there's one plain AK there now; a non-borked FAL will be a little while yet, you can't buy one until the second map. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Why? Is there just one FN FAL? that's pretty weird if there is only one FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The way it works is that there's an arms dealer. He's got a warehouse which has an infinite supply of brand new weapons as long as you've paid him to stock them, but first you have to do missions for him, and only half of those missions are in the North. So, some of the weapons stay locked until you reach the second map. Since ''all'' enemy weapons default to being borked, that means I can't get a new FAL until the second map. Same with things like the AS50, SAW, Carl Gustav and so on. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Damm, Don't rush it. Just play the game. I can wait.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
== SPAS-12 and USAS-12 ==

Hard to believe, but Ubisoft messed up with both of these shotguns in Far Cry 2.

First off, the SPAS-12 is depicted as having a 12 round tubular magazine, which is obviously does not.

Second, the USAS-12 is depicted as only having a 12-round drum magazine, while it actually holds 20 rounds.

*I think they thought the '12' referred to the weapon's capacity rather than the gauge. Shame we didn't get a 37-round Ithaca out of that error. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 17:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Or a 107 round Barret .50

however, it could be balancing issues
is the SPAS more powerful in the game then the USAS?
i don't own the game so i don't know a lot about the particulars

The only difference between the SPAS and USAS is the rate of fire, as the USAS is fully auto and the SPAS pump. And yeah, a 37-round Ithaca would be cool to have.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Uh guys, the SPAS 12 in-game is SEMI-AUTO, the 12 in SPAS 12 stands for the model not gauge (the 12 in USAS 12 might stand for gauge though), the .50 cal sniper rifle in the game is a AI AS50, not a Barret M82A3/M107 - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

*It's hardly the silliest thing in the game, either. I've just got a wonderful screenshot of the reload for the Springfield. The caption will have to be "WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?" [[User:Tim|Tim]] 21:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

*True, I always wondered about the box magazine on the Springfield.

**It's not even a box magazine, that would almost be sensible. He shoves a ''stripper clip'' into it. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 22:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

***Stripper clips you say? I always thought you could only reload a Springfield with single rounds at a time...--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's the only way that the M1903 can be reloaded. Also, the player puts the stripper clip on an hole in front of the trigger guard. Now that is fucked up.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

*Well, the non-sniper versions of the M1903 can be loaded with stripper clips [the A4 only can't because the scope is mounted directly over the action], but I'm not sure why the FC2 M1903A4 has a hole in the bottom to load through. I certainly don't know where they got the idea that you put the entire thing, clip and all, into the gun. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 23:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think they did that for gameplay reasons. Make the reload faster.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

::Yes, but it's odd to do that rather than use a bolt-action rifle that ''can'' reload by stripper clip, give the Springfield some kind of custom scope that leaves the action accessible, or just use a bolt-action with a detachable magazine. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 23:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Exactly, they could have used the M40, or M21, or any number of bolt or semi-auto sniper rifles with detachable mags.
::But i don't think Guerrillas in Africa would use M21s or M40s. But i don't think they use M1903s either.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::True, while the M40 and M21 are a bit to expensive for them, I'd think the Springfield would be out of most any group's arsenal by now. I dunno then, what rifle should they use? Also, just found a pistol they should put in the next one or a DLC pack, the LAR Grizzly .45 Win Mag--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 00:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
: I would much rather have a S&W 686+P over a LAR-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too. And about weapons used by guerrillas, i think Mosin Nagants would be used.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
: GOD NO! Shooting the Mosin should be punishment for criminals-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::you can have your revolvers, nothing beats a good automatic though. Then again, that S@W 500 is a beast...--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 00:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I like the Mosin Nagant. :)

==I love this game==
: I am a complete badass on this game. Every time I fire at the driver of a car, he gets one in the head even if I'm not really aiming-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 03:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I don't think this game is really good but they got some awesome guns in it. They got a metric FN FAL AND an G3. how cool is that?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah and no Glock's, Berettta's or G36C's in sight-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::Now they only need is an AK-74 with wooden hand guards and wooden stock and an Jericho 941.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: Also a CZ-75, a Galil and a S&W 686+P-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 19:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::Yeah, we need more Galils in games. The Galil would be fitting since the i saw an report about how the Galil AR and ARM (Along with AK type rifles, FN FALs and G3s) were common in the hands of Janjaweed and other guerrillas in Darfur. I remember that most of the Galils had wooden Hand Guards as well.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:I would way rather have a 686 though-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::An 686 would make sense in the hands of the guerrillas. Guerillas like shiny guns.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: And it's reliable. I've had the casing of a .357 shell pop inside the gun without it having any negative effects-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

This was a pretty ok game to play, love the open world, but the problem is it takes you forever to get from one place to another, even with the bus and cars. Enemies respawn too fast and it takes have a mag to kill them. Your shots are never always true, but enemies' always hits you dead on or when you are sneaking. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
: Whoever your playing as must be a shitastic shot cuz I almost NEVER miss and kill everyone with an average of 10 shots with an assault rifle-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 04:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
*I always found that while the gunplay is good, the map's too big for the ideas they had to fill it. It's like they sat down and said "what can we make the player do so they'll see all our work" rather than "what is the player going to want to do in our world," so things feel a little aimless. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 04:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
**I also found it very silly that while you can configure keys to have "Use" as "F," "Exit mounted gun" is always "E." I got stuck on a mounted gun before I figured that out. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 05:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
***All this talk about Far Cry 2 has made me wanna pop my copy out of it's case and play it again.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 19:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Couple of mystery M16s here. ==

Found a magazine with a couple of M16s shown in it, was wondering if anyone has any idea on versions.

[[Image:FC2-M16s.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

[[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 09:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:The M16s could be anything since we can't see the receivers.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::The page on the left is actually a bunch of shots of lower recievers, but it is rather hard to make out. I'll see if there's one I can actually zoom in on somewhere. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 04:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== To the guy who posted the "Get some!" pic ==

Thanks alot man, that picture is simply epic.--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'm the one that made Dongs write that caption. I really love [[Full Metal Jacket]].-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::Well thanks for that, knew that quote was from the crazy door gunner.--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== AS50 jam and failure? ==
Can anyone tell me what the AS50s jam and failure animations are?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
*I recall the jam is similar to the other sniper rifles; the weapon locks up with the bolt closed, leaving him yanking the stuck charging handle and turning the gun left and right (because, you know, that helps) until you prompt him to pull it firmly. I forget what the kB is, I'll have to find out. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 21:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
**Well, now I know [and have a picture]. The whole barrel comes off and flies ''backwards'' over the character's head. Seriously. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 22:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
***And there it is! [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 01:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
****Good god, it blows in half?!?! That's one dangerous rifle!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
*****The silliest part is that kB animations trigger ''after'' firing (as opposed to jams which trigger before) and the AS50 has already cycled and ejected a casing when that happens. So either the rest of the magazine was full of extra gas pressure, or Frank needs to stop loading .50 cal sticks of dynamite into random mags. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 05:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
******Yeah, the, newfangled .50 caliber dynomite rounds are sure dangerous! But really, I tested out an AS50 on my second profile, and it still scares me how the barrel tries to crack you in the head--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
*Ok, I've just got the Tranq rifle kB. It has to be seen to be believed, I'll get on the other PC and upload it shortly. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 07:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
**And that's the update for today. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 09:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Suppressed Shotgun ==
(Just putting this here for future reference

Edit-This is NOT and 11-87, in the game it operates like a pump action shotgun, and has a safety on the TOP of the gun, instead of a cross-bolt safety found on Remingtons. Therefore there is no possible way that this is a semi-automatic 11-87.- RedJedRevolver
*Oh. I just went with what was already here until I could check up on it, feel free to change it if it isn't right. - Tim.
::It's fine, I'm not sure what it is. Could be some bastard Mossberg with that safety and that pump.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

== IEDs ==

I'm probably going to add these at some point even though they're not a gun as such; it cycles between three, a mortar round, a land mine and a pipe bomb. Since one of them ''is'' a round from one of the other weapons I think they count for trivia purposes at least. Especially if I can also ID the land mine. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
==Mk.19==
Fuck that Chicom POS mortar. If you aim right you can totally use the Mk.19 as a mortar and actually HIT things with it.[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
*Indeed. I don't get why they went with such a silly system of using the mortar; at least giving the player *some* way to find range other than slowly lobbing an infinite supply of smoke rounds around at random would have been nice. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 01:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
**That said, in the PC version you can't ''miss'' with the mortar and it should just say 'press F5 to activate aim mode and F9 to adjust aim.' [[User:Tim|Tim]] 20:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Norinco Type 63 ==

While as far as I can tell this weapon exists, the internet will be ''damned'' if it has a picture of the thing. I therefore surmise that the Type 63 is invisible. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

== Captions ==
Whoever did the captions... I love you. I laughed so hard. -protoAuthor
:It was Vangelis/Dongs/Tim. He is a genious.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 03:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
::btw that caption about the "silenced shotgun", Mr. Identity crisis that charging handle layout is also on the 1100, and I think a few others as well.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
:::Yeah, but I thought I'd just name one specifically that had that feature; the 11-87's 1100-derived so it's no surprise they both have similar layout, and the caption seemed awkward with both names in there. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Alright, it's fine, since no one can point on specifically which gun it came from one name is as good as any other.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
:::::I also have to praise the caption work, especially the "where is your god" and "get some" sniper rifle captions.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Vangelis did the "Get Some" caption on my command.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::+1, this is the funniest article thing I've read for a month, maybe two. Top job! --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 19:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== It's amazing the things you find out by accident... ==

I'm so damn proud of that chicken screenshot. I was just trying to blow it up for a funny demo of the bolt explosion, I had no idea it would do that. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Ejection Ports in games now ==

Why do game developers keep putting the ejection port on the left side of the weapon. It makes no since what so ever. It does not look cool, it looks stupid when a right-handed person is using left-handed weapons. Are game developers even paying attention to what weapons they use in game? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 17:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

It lets them show off their awesome graffics engine and to the general populace having casings flying around on screen helps create the feeling that they are in fact blazing away with a machine gun. It's an aesthetic choice, not one based on realism. - Double Agent M

:That is still no excuse to do that. I don't mind assault rifles and handguns that much, but left handed bolt-action rifles are the things that just make no since! At least they could have made it eject to the right like they did the light machine guns, instead of making so you have to operate the bolt in a very strange way. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 19:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

:What makes this phenomenon odd for this game in particular, is that we have a PKM, which in the real world has an ejection port on the '''left''' hand side, but in the game it is placed on the '''right''' hand side! [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 05:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

==Cool fact==
:According to Dennis Croukamp's book "The Bush War In Rhodesia", there actually at one point was an arms dealer who was known as "The Jackal". He got caught fairly early in the war though-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Unknown (2011)

2011-02-14T23:07:00Z

S&Wshooter:

After seeing the trailer, I think this actually looked good... Plus it's Liam Neeson, so you ''HAVE'' to see it... As soon as this thing hits theaters back here in Finland, I'ma go and see it --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 18:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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IMDB lists this film as Unknown (2011) so the title's been changed accordingly. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the title was my mistake, I'm still living in 2010... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 19:56, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:I hope this is better than the book-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 23:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Wild Geese

2011-02-13T07:59:10Z

S&Wshooter:

==McTaggartts silenced pistol==
Is the pistol fitted with a suppressor used by Sgt.Jock McTaggart a Colt M1911A1?It's certainly not a suppressed P38 as used by Lt.Shaun Fynn in the same sequence.
:: the problem is that we never get a good look at the pistol. I was screen capping this movie and the lack of a clear shot of Jock's gun was vexing. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Roger Moore's Handgun ==

The handgun used by Roger Moore in the London scenes [when he kills Randy and when the mafia hitmen come after him at the club] is not a ''Pistol, Caliber .45, Automatic; M1911A1'' as indicated. It is a SIG P-210. This is especially evident when he points it in Richard Burton's face when Burton is at the door of the loft above the club.

== Brook Williams ==

In the second picture [taken from the film] under the '''L1A1 SLR''' entry...the actor standing next to Glyn Baker is Brook Williams...his character's name in the film is Samuels. He was a good friend of Richard Burton [and personal assistant] and appears in bit parts in a number of Richard Burton films. He is the same mercenary that RSM Young calls a "f***ing abortion" because he can't get up and then RSM Young shoots at him [while he is laying on the ground] during the training scenes. BTW RSM Young uses a ''Pistol, Caliber .45, Automatic; M1911A1'' in those scenes...yet this is not mentioned.

== The Mafia Hit ==

Only one weapon is mentioned [the Ingram Model 10] in the listings that was used during the mafia hit on Roger Moore's character in London. There are a number of small arms in these scenes as follows:

'''Richard Burton''': snub-nose [2-inch] Colt Detective Special [or similar Colt handgun - it is definately a Colt but I am not positive on what model it is]

'''Roger Moore''': SIG P-210

'''Richard Harris''': MkII Grenade and a Smith & Wesson short barreled revolver [looks to be a 3-inch] - it appears to be a Model 27 - but again [like Burton's Colt] I know it is a Smith & Wesson but it could be one of a number of models with a shrouded ejector rod.

'''Mafia Hitman Nr.1''' [in trenchcoat]: as previously stated - an Ingram Model 10

'''Mafia Hitman Nr.2''' [in leather coat]: Walther P.38

'''Mafia Hitman Nr.3''' [blonde with long hair and mustache; blue suit]: Beretta M1951 "Brigadier"

'''Mafia Hitman Nr.4''' [dark hair; black suit]: Pistol, Caliber .45, Automatic; M1911A1

'''Mafia Hitman Nr.5''' [blonde hair; dark suit]: Colt Python with 6-inch barrel

'''Mafia Hitman Nr.6''' [the one that yells that the contract has been withdrawn]: Pistol, Caliber .45, Automatic; M1911A1

::Thanks Dear Mystery user (since NONE of you guys after a certain point have a USER ID). Yes, I knew about these pistols during the hit on Shawn but it was hard to screencap them since they are seen so fleetingly. Anyway, thanks for the edit, I will specifically try to screencap these guys, but these pistols were very hard to see in a still frame. MPM2008

== Richard Burton's Suppressed Handgun ==

The suppressed handgun used by Richard Burton at the end of the film is a Beretta M1934.

::Excellent! Thanks mystery user! :) MPM2008

== Percy Herbert ==

In the first image [from the film] under the '''L1A1 SLR''' entry...the mercenary in the middle is actor Percy Herbert. His character's name in the film is '''Keith'''. He [like Brook Williams] appears in numerous scenes. He is the mercenary Kenneth Griffith calls "chubby cheeks" when they are writing out wills. He is also the same mercenary seen in the second image [from the film] under the '''FN LAR''' entry...the one who ends up being shot in the head. Also Richard Burton does not carry a "FN LAR" as erroneously stated in the same entry. The FN he is holding in the image is the one Percy Herbert is carrying. If one watches the scene, when the fence is being cut, Percy Herbert hands his FN to Burton so he, Herbert, can hold the fence while it is cut.

A little trivia...Percy Herbert was a Second World War veteran and was captured by the Japanese. He appears in The Bridge Over The River Kwai as an actor and consultant. Allegedly he is the one that suggested to the director of the film that the soldiers should whistle "Colonel Bogey" while they marched.

== Ian Yule's Weapon ==

The "R1 Battle Carbine" that is listed as being used by Ian Yule is a chopped L1A1. The sight is a SinglePoint "red-dot" sight [seen in films like ''Star Wars'' and used by U.S. troops during the infamous Son Tay raid during the Vietnam War]. Another thing about the weapon is it is seen throughout the film with the 30-round cartridge magazine from the L4-series Bren [the 7,62mm conversion of the Bren gun]. The 7,62mm 30-round cartridge magazine from the L4-series will fit in a L1A1 but since the L4-series is top-fed the cartridge magazine does not usually work well with the bottom fed L1A1 [it's spring is weaker since the L4-series relies on gravity to feed the rounds from the cartridge magazine into the weapon]. FYI - there was never a proprietary L1A1 30-round cartridge magazine, only 20-round cartridge magazines, this is why the L4-series cartridge magazine was sometimes utilized by troops.

*Sorry to correct you but, The Australian SAS used L1A1's in Vietnam with 30 round "straight" cartridge magazines. Also as Donaldson was supposed to be an experienced soldier, could he not replace the spring? as he certainly would know how to remove it.

*You are correct about the Australian magazines...but the one in the film is curved...hence a L4-series magazine. So to correct my original statement...there were no British proprietary 30-round magazines for their L1A1 SLR. Furthermore to assume that the spring was replaced by the film character would be something I would think is beyond the scope of this website. I'm sure that for Hollywood usage the magazine was probably not loaded to full capacity if they had experienced any jamming on the film set. Of course without being able to converse with the film's armourer - we will probably never know exactly how the magazine was used, modified, etc. A side note - according to some biographies of Ian Yule he also served as an uncredited assistant weapons handler on the film set.

*Theres an episode of The Professionals (Heroes) where theres an FAL with a L4 type magazine,could the show's armourers be the same as the film's?
::There's a picture of the FAL with the L4 magazine in the professionals page.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

*As for the magazine, it might simply be a 30 round magazine for the L2A1 Canadian SAW version of the FAL. Since Canadian FALs were of inch pattern, the 30 round L2A1 mag would fit on a British L1A1 receiver.

Just a little bit of trivia: It appears an "R1 carbine", if not in fact the exact same weapon, appeared in the movie "Firepower" with James Coburn. The trailer is on Youtube and the R1 can be seen near the end being fired by James Coburn from the back of a jeep, and again being fired from a helicopter. Here's the trailer: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKyRjP8PqM&feature=related]--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 22:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The mystery is solved! This is a letter from Ian Yule himself: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/12/03/mystery-of-the-short-barreled-fal-is-solved/. The weapon is a prototype short barreled FAL, developed in Britain. It has a single point dot reflex sight, four 40 round magazines, a special sling, a flash eliminator, and a bayonet.

*Wow! Thanks a million![[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 02:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

:::For the record here is the information I removed from the page. There is still interesting information regarding R1s that some folks may find useful somewhere on IMFDB.
:::''"It was said that Tosh was supposed to have an R1 style variant as he is ex-SAS which made him special. I heard this weapon was an experimental weapon for South African Paratroops but never got adopted. R-1 Battle Rifle. Full sized FN-FAL metric variant. Originally wooden stocked later issued with synthetic stock and often camouflaged by the end user with a hand applied series of paints. For more information check out: http://www.saaaca.org.za/links/SIG/fal/fal.htm"''

== Wild Geese II sniper rifle ==

In the sequel Edward Fox's character (Alex Faulkner) uses a sniper rifle described in the end credits as a 'Survivor rifle'. It was provided by a Don McNabb, does anyone have any information on this weapon?

: Though it is off topic I believe the weapon was a highly modified Safari Arms .45 which, a la "The Man From UNCLE", had an extended barrel, was equipped with a special stock, mount for a telescopic sight and a custom suppressor of some sort. I read something about it in Soldier of Fortune the year the movie came out. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

==Now THIS is what I call an action movie==
:This movie is one of the only true action movies I have seen in a long while. More than 4 people actually die in this movie, unlike most modern action films, and the plot is pretty solid. This movie deserves a remake and a videogame-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, you don't see many movies were lots of main character walk in and only a hand full walk out. or have endings like the magnificent seven or this film where where losses did nothing in the end

== Sa. 24 ==
Sa. 24 (originaly "Samopal vzor 24") is verison of Sa.23 fixed stock, in 7,62x25, version with folding stock is Sa.25 (9x19) or Sa.26 (7,62x25). SMG in movie is Sa.25.

== Vickers Gun ==
Could someone please provide a photo and info on the Vickers Heavy Machine Gun used near the end of the film? An interesting theme of the film is not only are the leads played by 1950's British stars but they use older equipment as the film progresses, i.e. a Vickers Gun, and the airstrip escape from a Dakota as opposed to a C-130.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 22:37, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::1950s stars? well most of them started and did a lot of work in the 1950s but they were established international movie stars by the time this film was made so I wouldn't describe them merely as 1950s stars. Also there wasn't a theme of older guns, it was the mercs scrounging for anything they could use and there were a lot of left over guns in Africa from the previous decades. Like the Blindicide, I don't recall any of them carrying one into the para drop, but they could have picked up one from the prison camp when they killed all the guards. Most of them still used what they brought with them into the country (Uzis, Fals, Sterlings, etc.) so I wouldn't consider it to be a thematic 'change' for them to use older weapons as the film progresses. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks everyone! Don't forget the original choice for RSM Sandy Young was [[Stephen Boyd]] (who according to Euan Lloyd would have done his character's voice in his native Belfast accent).[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 22:56, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

==Remake==
Supposed to come out this year http://www.movieweb.com/movie/the-wild-geese - [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

==This page needs some work==
Weapon titles that hyperlinked and it only shows one category which is movie. Anyway just thought I would point that out. I'd do the corrections, but I'm not a moderator. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay now that I have admin privliges I'll start the work. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay that's a little neater. Was this one of the first pages to be done? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::Jeez, none of us are as perfect as YOU checkman! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah well it is true some of us are more blessed than others. But being perfect is a terrible burden. Consider your self lucky that you are so ordinary.Revel in your mediocrity. LOL. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me that you know I'm kidding.I'm not POI after all. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Richard Burton's Uzi ==
[[Image:Richard burton uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|IMI Uzi used by [[Richard Burton]] in the film ''The Wild Geese''. One of four identical Uzis used on set. Photo courtesy of the Long Mountain Outfitters]]

== Ian's rifle ==
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/12/03/mystery-of-the-short-barreled-fal-is-solved/ Forgot how to sign /noe
==weapons in book==
I finally got around to reading the book the movie was based off of. The mercs and Simbas all use AK-47's, RPD's, unnamed handguns, a bazooka, and the Crossbow featured in the movie. The FAL, which is used exstensively in the film, only appears once in the book (as far as I kno)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 07:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Out for a Kill

2010-12-03T20:21:05Z

S&Wshooter:

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'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Rainbow Six: Vegas 2'':'''
[[Image:Tcrbsv2-360-cover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Rainbow Six: Vegas 2'' (2008)]]

==Beretta 92FS==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] appears in the game as the "92FS", and can be modified with silencer, laser and high capacity magazines like the other pistols. It can be seen as the sidearm used by the LVPD SWAT officers and terrorists in game. Interestingly, the in-game 92FS has a skeleton hammer as opposed to the standard ring hammer. Also note that in all of the screencaps below, the safety switch is on. Oops.

Has anyone else noticed when you hold the 92FS in first person the player is using an unusually low grip? about 1/4 of the backstrap is visible

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92FS 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RSV2m92fs.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The 92FS in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2m92fsironsights.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The 92FS's iron sights in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2m92fsreload.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Reloading the 92FS in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2m92fssuppresed.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The 92FS equipped with a laser sight and supressor.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==

The [[Heckler & Koch USP]] appears in the game as the .40 caliber variant "USP 40.", and can be modified with silencer, laser and high capacity magazines like the other pistols. It is used by some of the Rainbow operatives.

[[Image:H&KUSP40.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Heckler & Koch USP .40 S&W]]
[[Image:RSV2usp45.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The USP in the game. Equipped with a laser sight.]]
[[Image:RSV2usp45ironsights.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The USP's iron sights in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2usp45laser.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The USP in the game with its laser sight active.]]
[[Image:RSV2usp45reload.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Reloading the USP in the game.]]

==IMI Desert Eagle XIX==

The [[Desert Eagle]] appears in the game, it can be modified with laser and high capacity magazines, but not a silencer. It is the side arm of some terrorists in game.
[[Image:DesertEagle50AE.jpg|thumb|300px|none|IMI Desert Eagle XIX, .50 Action Express]]
[[Image:RSV2deserteagle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The Desert Eagle in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2deserteagleironsights.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The Desert Eagle's iron sights in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2deserteaglereload.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The Desert Eagles being reloaded in the game equipped with a laser sight.]]

==Taurus Raging Bull==

The [[Taurus Raging Bull]] revolver appears in the game, it can only be modified with a laser. It is used as a sidearm by some of the terrorists in game. The one used in the game is chambered for .44 magnum, as that is the only caliber that has a 6 round capacity.

[[Image:Rb1.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Taurus Raging Bull, .454 Casull]]

==Heckler & Koch Mk 23 Mod 0==

The [[Heckler & Koch Mk 23 Mod 0]] appears in the game, and can be modified like all the pistols. It is the most popular pistol on online servers. In game it is the standard sidearm used by the Rainbow team.

[[Image:Mk23.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Heckler & Koch Mk 23 Mod 0 .45 ACP]]

==Glock 18==

The [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] appears in the game and can be modified with a laser pointer and high capacity magazines. It is used by a sidearm by some terrorists. It features a full-auto fire mode unique among the pistols of the game. Standard magazine is 10 rounds though using the extended magazine attachment gives it the correct factory magazine with 17 bullets, the largest magazine capacity of the Glocks are 33 rounds. The real world model used for the gun in the game is a KWA airsoft g18c, evidence by the built in compensator on the top (only seen in the airsoft gun) and the lack of engravings. An interesting note about this gun is that when it is fired the breach is never opened, rather the integrated compensator open up and releases the spent shell/s (this is of course not the case with the real weapon.)

[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 18 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RSV2glock.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The Glock 18 in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2glockfireing.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The Glock 18 being fired in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2glockironsights.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The player using a Glock 18's iron sights in the game, as a terrorist gets shot to bloody pieces.]]
[[Image:RSV2glockreload.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Reloading the Glock 18 in the game.]]

==Walther P99==

The [[Walther P99]] appears in the game (as the version chambered for the .40 S&W cartridge), and can be modified like all the pistols. It is (quite rarely) seen in terrorist hands.

[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Walther P99 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RSV2p99fire.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A P99 being fired.]]
[[Image:RSV2p99ironsight.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A P99's iron sights in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2p99reload.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Reloading the P99 in the game.]]

''Wow, that's some horrible imaging there. It's like they didn't even try to model the P99.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

==Česká Zbrojovka CZ-G2000==

The [[CZ-G2000]] can be seen in the armory behind your character in the character customization, but is not usable in game.

[[Image:Cz2000.jpg|thumb|none|300px|CZ-G2000, .40 S&W]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A5/MP5N==

The [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A5|Heckler & Koch MP5A5]] is in the game as the "MP5N" cosign used by the United States Navy and the SEALs and is modifiable like all weapons in the game. It is used by Rainbow (especially Bishop and Logan), LVPD SWAT, and by the terrorists. The In-game model is of the MP5N, meaning that the 3 round burst setting is absent from the left side of the gun making it appear as the navy model, but it has a three-round burst setting in the gun's silencer/fire mode menu, making it an MP5A5.

[[Image:H&KMP5A5.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler and Koch MP5A5 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RSV2mp5nsuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP5A5/MP5N equipped with a supressor and ACOG.]]
[[Image:RSV2mp5nthirdperson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP5A5/MP5N in a third-person view.]]

==Ingram MAC-11==

The [[MAC-10#MAC-11|Ingram MAC-11]], referred to as the "M11" is in the game and like the other weapons, it can be modified. It is often seen in terrorist hands. One note of interest is that it's modeled after the semi-auto civilian legal M11 that is modified to full auto. Its closed bolt is the telltale sign. Has an extremely high rate of fire.

[[Image:Mac m11 9k.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Ingram MAC-11 .380 ACP]]
[[Image:RSV2m11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player overlooking the city with an "M11" in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2m11ironsights.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M11's iron sights in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2m11reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the M11 in the game.]]

==Fabrique Nationale P90==

The [[FN P90]] is in the game, it can be modified with everything except the extended magazine. Occasionally terrorists will be equipped with this weapon.

[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]

==Heckler & Koch MP7A1==

The [[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] is in the game, it can be modified with everything except the extended magazine. The MP7A1 is used with a suppressor by several Rainbow operatives; it is the secondary weapon for Jung Park when he isn't using a G36C and for Michael Walters when he isn't using a Mk. 46 machine gun.

[[Image:Mp7a1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 4.6x30mm]]

==Heckler & Koch UMP==

The [[Heckler & Koch UMP]] is in the game, it can be modified with everything. It is often used by terrorists later in game.

[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]

==Brügger & Thomet MP-9==

The [[Steyr TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]] is in the game, it can be modified with everything.

[[Image:Mp9tmp.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Brügger & Thomet MP-9 9x19mm]]

==Steyr AUG Para==

The [[Steyr AUG#Steyr AUG Para|Steyr AUG Para]] is seen in the game as a submachine gun with a high cyclic rate, and can be modified with everything. It is used by LVPD SWAT and by terrorists.

[[Image:AUG 9mm 03.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Steyr AUG Para 9x19mm]]

==Type 05 JS==

The PDW variant of the Chinese [[QBZ-95]] assault rifle. It is one of the more powerful submachine guns in game and can be modified with everything except for the high capacity magazine. The Type 05 can be seen in terrorist hands in game.

[[Image:Type-05.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 05, 5.8x21mm]]

==SA Vz.83 Skorpion==

The [[SA Vz.83 Skorpion]] appears in the game as the "Skorpion VZ83" chambered in .380 ACP, and can be modified with everything except for the ACOG scope. It is occasionally used by terrorists in game. PC version allows for semi-auto fire as well as the default full-auto option, but sights must be reset after EVERY shot as the weapon becomes misaligned after the first shot is fired in semi-auto mode.

[[Image:Skorpion-SA-VZ-61.jpg|thumb|300px|none|SA Vz.61 Skorpion .32 ACP]]

==IMI Uzi==

The [[IMI Uzi|IMI Uzi]] can be seen in the armory behind the character in the character customization, but is not usable in game.

[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi 9mm]]

==SIG SG 552==

The [[SIG SG 550#SIG SG 552|SIG SG 552]] appears in the game as the "552 Commando" and can be modified with everything. It is one of the assault rifles used by the Rainbow team (it is the preferred rifle of both Logan and Chavez) and is also sometimes used by terrorists.

[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|350px|none|SIG SG 552 5.56x45mm]]

==Unknown AK Variant==

This weapon claims to be an AK-47 in-game, but it doesn't use the more curved 7.62x39 magazines that a real AK-47 would. It has the same statistics as the AKS-74U, which would appear to support the hypothesis that it uses 5.45x39mm rounds. The alleged [[AK-47]] is a very common terrorist weapon in game, it can be modified with a lasersight, ACOG, holographic sight, and 3X Scope. The jury is still out on what this gun actually is. Post on the discussion page if you have any idea.

[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:RSV2ak47.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The AK47 in the game. Equipped with an extended magazine.]]
[[Image:RSV2ak47suppressed.jpg|600px|thumb|none|A suppressed AK47 in the game.]]

==Kalashnikov AKS-74U==

The [[AK-74#AKS-74U|AKS-74U]] is present in game and can be modified with a lasersight, ACOG, holographic sight, and 3X Scope. It can be seen in terrorist hands in game.

It is shown to take the same magazines as the AK-47. This may therefore be a mislabled AKMSU. Note: The handguard is wrong for the russian AKSU in game, it's not supposed to have a handguard like that of the AK47.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AKS-74U 5.45x39mm]]

==Fabrique Nationale FNC 80==

The [[FN FNC]] is one of the assault rifles in the game, and can be equipped with all addons. It is sometimes used by Rainbow operatives and is very often used by the terrorists.

[[Image:Fn-fnc-1-.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|FN FNC 5.56x45mm]]

==Steyr AUG A3==

The [[Steyr AUG#Steyr AUG A3|Steyr AUG A3]] is in the game as the "AUG A3" and can be modified with everything. It is occasionally used by the terrorists.

[[Image:SteyrAugA3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Steyr AUG A3 5.56x45mm with Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip and EOTech red dot sight]]
[[Image:RSV2auga3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|An AUG A3 in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2auga3ironsights.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The AUG A3's iron sights in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2auga3thirdperson.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The AUG A3 in a third-person view.]]

==GIAT FAMAS F1==

The [[FAMAS]] is in the game, it can be modified with everything. It can sometimes be seen in terrorist hands.

[[Image:Famas.jpg|thumb|none|350px|GIAT FAMAS F1 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RSV2famaswithscope.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The FAMAS in the game. Equipped with a scope.]]
[[Image:RSV2famasthirdperson2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The FAMAS in a third-person view.]]
[[Image:RSV2famasthirdperson.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Another shot of the FAMAS in a third-person view.]]
[[Image:RSV2famasfiring.jpg|600px|thumb|none|A terrorist getting shot to pieces with a FAMAS.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==

The [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]] is in the game, it can be modified with everything. It is teammate Jung Park's primary weapon.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RSV2g36c.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The G36C in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2g36cthirdperson.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A third-person view of the G36C.]]
[[Image:RSV2hk21e.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Jung Park's G36C equipped with an ACOG scope, with the player wielding an HK21E.]]
[[Image:RSV2g36cjung2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Jung Park's G36C equipped with an ACOG scope onboard a helicopter en-route to the mission level.]]

==Heckler & Koch G3KA4==

The [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K G3KA4|Heckler & Koch G3KA4]] is in the game, it can be modified with everything. It is occasionally used by terrorists. There are some inaccuracies in that it uses 30 round mags but the size indicates the use of a 20 round.

[[Image:G3KA4.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch G3KA4 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==IMI Tavor TAR-21==

The [[Tavor TAR-21]] is in the game and can be modified with everything. It is very popular on online servers due to their high rate of fire. Players who have taken a liking to the Tavor have often been called "TARDs". It is sometimes used by Rainbow operatives and is quite common in terrorist use.

[[Image:Tavor-tar.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Tavor TAR-21 5.56x45mm]]

Strangely, you cannot use it without the MARS sight. It has no iron sights in the first game either. An upside to this is that you can use the extended mag while having the MARS sight as well.
-FirearmFanatic

==Heckler & Koch XM8==

The [[Heckler & Koch XM8]] is in the game as the "M8", it can be modified with everything. It is obtained late in the game, and is never used by terrorists or Rainbow. It is seen as having an accessory rail that extends to the end of the carrying handle.

[[Image:XM8.JPG|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch XM8 5.56x45mm]]

The version in game looks like the Xm8r, a version of the Xm8 built to use standard 20mm rail systems. ~Theonemoo

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb241/theonemoo/xm8malaysia_01.jpg

==Fabrique Nationale SCAR-H==

The [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-H|FN SCAR-H]] is in the game, it can be modified with everything. It is extensively used by Rainbow and is often seen in terrorist use. It is Gabriel Nowak's weapon of choice along with his MP5A3/MP5N in the earlier missions prior to the events in Rainbow Six: Vegas 2.

[[Image:FN_SCAR_-1-.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Fabrique Nationale SCAR-H 7.62x51mm NATO with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip]]
[[Image:RSV2scarh.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player and Gabriel Nowak wielding SCAR-Hs.]]
[[Image:RSV2scarhironsights.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SCAR-H's iron sights in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2scarhreload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the SCAR-H in the game.]]

==Enfield L85A2==

The [[SA80]] can be seen in game referred to by the British military designation L85A2, and can be equipped with everything. A Rainbow operative can be seen using this rifle in one of the game's levels. Er... Where? not in the PC version.

[[Image:Sal8.jpg|thumb|none|350px|L85A2 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RSV2l85a2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The L85A2 in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2l85a2ironsights.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The L85A2's iron sights in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2l85a2reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the L85A2 in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2l85a2thirdperson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A third-person view of the L85A2. Note the Sam Fisher cosplayer about to be blindfired on by the player.]]

==Barret M468==

The [[Barrett REC7|Barrett M468]] appears in game. As opposed to the belief of those who haven't played it, it IS the M468. It is an unlockable weapon, and can be seen used by Rainbow operatives (it is Bishop's preferred rifle) and terrorists (occasionally) in game.

[[Image:MODEL468.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Barrett M468 6.8x43mm Rem SPC]]
[[Image:RSV2m468.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M468 in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2m468reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading an M468 in the game.]]

==Kalashnikov AK-74==

The [[AK-74]] can be seen in the armory behind the character in the character customization, but is not usable in game.

[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74 5.45x39mm]]

==Benelli M3 Super 90==

The [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns#Benelli M3|Benelli M3 Super 90]] appears in the game, it can be modified with lasersights, Rifle scope and Reflex sights. It is portrayed as pump-action only.

[[Image:Benelli_m3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Benelli M3 Super 90 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:RSV2m3thirdpersonview.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A third-person view of the M3 Super 90.]]

==Mossberg 500==

The [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] appears in the game and can be modified with lasersights, Rifle scope and Reflex sights. It is used often by the terrorists in game. It is the last weapon to be unlocked with CQB Points

[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Mossberg 500 12 Gauge]]

Called the M500 tactical in-game
-FirearmFanatic

==Remington 870==

The MCS variant of the [[Remington 870 Shotgun|Remington 870 shotgun]] appears in the game, and it can be modified with laser sights, Rifle scope and Reflex sights. Terrorists use this weapon fairly often.

[[Image:Rem870mcs 14.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Remington 870 MCS 12 gauge]]

==Franchi SPAS-12==

The [[Franchi SPAS-12]] appears in the game, it can be modified with lasersights, Rifle scope and Reflex sights. In game, it can be found in terrorist hands.

It appears in only pump-action operation when the actual gun has semi-auto operation. A lot of games do this to the Spas 12.--[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 13:23, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Franchi SPAS-12 12 Gauge]]

==M26 Modular Acessory Shotgun System==

The stand-alone version of the [[M26 Modular Acessory Shotgun System]] appears in the game, it can be modified with lasersights, Rifle scope and Reflex sights. Puzzlingly, the M26 in the game is select-fire, while the real one is a straight-pull bolt action.

[[Image:XM26.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M26 MASS 12 Gauge stand-alone version with telescoping stock and pistol grip]]

==Daewoo USAS-12==

The [[USAS-12]] can be seen in the armory behind the character in the character customization, but is not usable in game.

[[Image:USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|350px|USAS-12, 12-gauge]]

==M40A1 Sniper Rifle==

The [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40 sniper rifle]] appears in the game, like the other sniper rifles, it can be modified with bigger scopes.

[[Image:M40a1standard-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|M40 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==Izhmash SV-98==

The SV-98 appears in the game, like the other sniper rifles, it can be modified with a 12x Scope. It is often used by terrorist snipers in game.

[[Image:SV98.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Izhmash SV-98 7.62x54mm R]]

==Steyr Scout Tactical==

The [[Steyr Scout]] appears in the game, like the other sniper rifles, it can be modified with a 12x Scope. A few of the terrorist snipers use this rifle.

[[Image:Scout.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Steyr Scout Tactical 7.62x51mm NATO]]

Strangely, in this game when you pick up this gun, the barrel is exposed on top, which on the steyr scout it is not. In the Outfitting menu, it is the scout tactical and the picture is a Steyr.

==Heckler & Koch PSG-1==

The [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K PSG-1|Heckler & Koch PSG-1]] is in the game, like the other sniper rifles, it can be modified with a 12x Scope. The PSG-1 is the standard Rainbow sniper rifle.

[[Image:H&KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch PSG-1 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==Accuracy International L96 Arctic Warfare==

The [[Accuracy International L96A1]] appears in game, and can be modified with a 12x scope. It is the last weapon to be unlocked with Marksman Points.

[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Magnum 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==KAC SR-25 Sniper Rifle==

The [[Knight's Armament SR-25]] is a silenced sniper rifle based on the M16 rifle, it can be modified with a 12x scope.
The SR-25 is a upscaled version of the [[M16 rifle series|M16]], it is not an [[Armalite AR-10|AR-10]] as popularly believed, both the lower and upper receiver are completely different to that of an AR-10. the SR-25 is a STONER RIFLE (25), by Eugene Stoner from KAC, (Knights Armament Corporation). Armalite holds the patents to the name and design of "AR-10". It can be seen used by Rainbow operatives in game.

[[Image:SR25.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Knight's Armament SR-25 7.62x51mm NATO with Harris bipod]]

Fun fact: the designation 25 in Sr-25 is from adding Ar-10 and AR-15.
-FirearmFanatic

==Accuracy International AS50==

The [[Accuracy International AS50]] can be seen in the armory behind the character in the character customization, but is not usable in game.

[[Image:As50sr.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AI AS50, .50 BMG]]

==Mk 46 Mod 0 Light Machine Gun==

The [[FN Minimi#Mk 46 Mod 0|Mk 46 Mod 0]] is in the game, it can be modified with Reflex sight, laser sight, rifle scope and better stock. It is the squad support weapon of choice for Rainbow and is used by Michael Walters in Bishop's team.

[[Image:Mk46.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mk 46 Mod 0 machine gun 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RSV2mk46.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fireing the Mk 46 in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2mk46ironsights.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Mk 46's iron sights in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2mk46walters.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Michael Walters holding his Mk 46 in the helicopter ride to the next level.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK21E==

The [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK21 Machine Gun|Heckler & Koch HK21 machine gun]] is in the game, it can be modified with Reflex sight, laser sight, rifle scope and better buttstock. It is used by the terrorists often. Despite the appearance of a fire-selector switch and the appropriate markings, the HK21E is restricted to full-auto fire.

[[Image:HK21MachineGun.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch HK21 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RSV2hk21e.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player wielding an HK21E]]

==M249 SPW==

The [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SPW]] is in the game, it can be modified with Reflex sight, laser sight, rifle scope and better buttstock. Mostly found as fixed postion turrets throughout the game.

[[Image:FNminimiSPW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN Minimi SPW - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:RSV2m249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player wielding an M249 SPW.]]
[[Image:RSV2m249ironsights.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M249's iron sights in the game.]]

==Heckler & Koch MG36==

The [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch MG36|Heckler & Koch MG36]] is frequently used by enemies in the game, it can be modified with Reflex sight, laser sight, rifle scope and better buttstock. Despite being based on a regular G36 rifle, the MG36 is restricted to full-auto only, even though its counterpart in the Ghost Recon series allows for selection between semi, tri-burst, and full-auto fire.

[[Image:MG36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MG36 5.56x45mm with Beta-C drum magazine.]]
[[Image:RSV2mg36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MG36 in the game equipped with a telescoping sight.]]
[[Image:RSV2mg36reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading an MG36 in the game.]]
[[Image:RSV2mg36thirdperson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A third-person view of the MG36 in the game.]]
The Scope on top of the weapon cannot be removed in real-life, and why in-game, does it reveal a picatinney rail underneath? - Camden

==ACOG Scope==

[[Image:RSV2acogscope.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An ACOG scope mounted on an MP5A5/MP5N]]

==C-More Reflex Sight==

[[Image:RSV2reflexsight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A reflex sight mounted on a firearm]]

==M67 Hand Grenade==

The ubiquitous [[M67 hand grenade]].

[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

==AN-M14 TH Incendiary Grenade==
Grenade that sets it's victims on fire.Also disrupts thermal vision for a short time.

[[Image:AN-M14_Incendiary_Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|AN/M14 incendiary grenade]]

==C4==
[[Image:c4_explosives.png|thumb|c4 explosive charge|none|400px]]
Er... That's from battlefield 2

==Smoke Grenade==

[[Image:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M18 smoke grenade]]

[[Image:M84stun.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M84 stun grenade]]

==Breach Charge==

==Unknown rocket launcher==

At the train station, the terrorists fire a rocket at the player. It is unknown what weapon it is, because you only see the rocket coming towards

==Game Trivia==

*This is one of the few games where it depicts cartridges actually being pushed upwards [Or in the P90's case, backwards] as they are fired through clear magazines.

*When the Silencer is placed on it, it sounds like the [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5SD|MP5SD]] sound used in [[Bad Boys II]]

*The odd thing about the [[SA80|L85A2]] in the game is when in its basic mode, with no attachments, the standard magazine capacity is 25 rounds instead of 30 round as it should be. One can get an "extended magazine" which increases the mag capacity to 35. Realistically, such a thing doesn't exist. And when equipped with a scope, you can't get a SUSAT, originally fitted to all models, now replaced by the ACOG.
*The L85A2 has the sound of the AK47 from the original Rainbow Six: Vegas, despite having two different cartridge types.

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Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 2

2010-05-10T21:15:02Z

S&Wshooter:

==Small mistakes==
As I'm watching this show, I notice way too many small errors.
For example, in Spetznaz vs. GB, they list the Makarov as 9mm. While it's true that it's 9mm, the 9X18 Makarov round is NOT the same as the 9X19.

And the Ninja's weapon, the Ninjatō, never had proof that it was real, Ninja's used Katanas. Also, the Ninja wearing black, is just a stereotype, in the woods they would wear something like green.

:I was in a class that teaches the art of Ninjutsu and even the master said that ninjas use whatever they can get their hands on. They are real special forces like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Richard Mackowitz?==
Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but I swear that guy firing the 416 is Mack from [[Future Weapons]]. O_o Compare these shots...
[[Image:DW PSD demo.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Steve Gordon demonstrating an HK416 by firing it at a range instead of the PSD.]]
[[Image:DW PSD angle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another angle of Gordon firing with the 416.]]

...to one taken from the Future Weapons page of Mack crouched over a rifle while wearing similar headgear.
[[Image:Fwm992.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

:Well that's because both of them are bald and have the same shape of a head. It did make me glance twice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Pirates vs. Knights==
That line-up was pretty laughable. Not sure who the pirate "experts" were, but they didn't know a thing they were talking about. Pirates carrying at least 4 to 6 pistols, a blunderbuss, AND grenados...yeah, no. And even going as far as to called them "trained soldiers." Pirates were poor rag-tag pillagers. Few were ever armed with more than one firearm and the chance for misfires for the flintlocks and the blunderbuss is ridiculous. Overall it would've been a sword fight and the knight's shield and sword combo with combat training would've easily taken down the pirate--no contest if the knight stayed on his horse.

--
This show is awesome, heh I hear they are going to have Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz and IRA vs. Taliban

Yeah it is awesome. I think the Spetsnaz are going to win over the Green Berets next week. I haven't heard anything about the IRA vs. Taliban fight though.

:I agree totally. Spetsnaz could kick Special Forces' ass. but dont tell any i said that! -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Whoever edited the page last is totally wrong. It should have the M4A1, AKM assault rifle, Mossberg 590, Saiga shotgun, RGD-5 grenade, M67 grenade, Beretta M9, Makarov pistol, SVD Dragunov, and M24 sniper rifle.

==Ridiculous show==
This show is ridiculous. Many of the match ups aren't fair to either or both sides, since they are just 'assuming' many things. Also many of the comparisons are purely '''apples vs oranges'''. In the Mafia versus Yakuza, comparing a Thompson to a Sten????? WTF? Two different types of guns for different purposes. the M1928 with a 100 round drum is ridiculously HEAVY and no soldier would want to be running around a lying prone with it (which is why the M1 &M1A1 with their stick mags were developed in WW2). The Sten is lighter and holds a 32 round stick mag. It was a very simplified design done for the sake of mass production during time of war, and it was much more suited to commando raids and airborne ops than the Thompson with a 100 rd drum, just because of weight and types of magazines.

Sure the historical tests of the weapons are fun and all, but all serious military historians think that the "matchups" are just stupid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, the Sten and the Thompson are both submachine guns for close range fighting, and no military ever used the 100 round drum. Thompsons in airborne landings used 30 round magazines that were much better than the Sten's.

:''I've seen the first episode, the Yakuza vs. Mafia matchup, and this week's Spetsnaz vs. Green Beret episode. I can't say I have a problem with the Spetsnaz "winning", but I have serious problems with the testing they did. The ballistic knife over the E-Tool was the most ridiculous thing I've seen, by far, and while I can't say I've studied Spetsnaz tactics to any real extent, I refuse to believe that they really move around like they're shooting Hard Boiled 2.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:SpetnazPoster.jpg|center|600px]]

::I agree, their shooting style was just...overblown. The fast crouching and ducking and shooting was just...stupid. They shoot their sidearms with one hand apparently, and got a better hit ratio over the Green Beret who shot faster and holding his M9 with both hands. The comparison wasn't as bad as the Mafia and Yakuza where they compared a P38 to a double barrel shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::::''I have read several articles written by former police and military combat instructors which discuss how the singlehanded grip, while less effective for long range target shooting, can be much more flexible and effective than the double handed grip. Practice is far more important than which grip is used, if the Spetsnaz soldier had trained more with a one hand grip than the Green Beret did with both than he would obviously perform better. Keep in mind, handguns have been around since the 1500's and the two-handed grip did not come into widespread usage until the 1950's.''

:::''The "final fight" was even worse. I'm fairly certain that any self-respecting soldier is going to carry multiple mags for any weapon they carry into battle. Here, the Green Beret empties his M9...and drops the gun. I almost screamed at the TV, "RELOAD! RELOAD, YOU FOOL!" At least the one on one between the Yakuza and Mafia soldier seemed somewhat realistic.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:I know, it's like the Green Beret was thinking "Hey, I still have extra mags for my M4, but I rather use my M9. Hey, my M9 is empty, but instead of reloading, I'm going to use...my SHOVEL!" It's ridiculous. In one of the other forums, someone suggested that the show shoulda gotten the Russian and Green Beret guys in a paintball field, gave them guns that shoot sim ammo and rubber knives and have them go at it. At least that would have been more accurate results than some computer tests! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that a paintball match at a combat town would show off more of their small unit tactical training, than the bullshit 'test' they do on the show. That would be interesting to see! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you guys caught the mention of the M4A1's four-position selector *rolls eyes*... Obviously the guys they hired to portray these ex-SOF soldiers didn't do their homework. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:It would make sense to compare ANCIENT weapons. I think there are interesting comparisons between short swords, pikes, spears and other edged weapons FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD. But when it comes to firearms, COME ON! Like someone said, they 'tested' the Yakuza versus the Mafia by testing the Walther P38(!!) to a double barrel shotgun(!!!??) WTF? How about comparing the P38 to the Model 10? or the 1911? But then the Model 10 and 1911 were also used by the Yakuza. All of the Firearms testing on this show is ridiculous and stupid. The only valid 'comparisons' are between the ancient weapons, like the Zulu short spear or the Roman sword or the Scimitar, etc. etc. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

::There were problems in comparing "ancient" weapons. I mean the Viking vs Samurai, they didn't mention that Vikings had bows and arrows too and they "tested" a viking axe to a Samurai sword! They didn't want to do the long sword vs the Katana why? I mean the samurai also used spears, but they didn't show that in the episode, just a bow vs a viking spear. Come on! The ninja vs spartan was also weak since all the weapons weren't matched up except sword against sword. Well at least for the next 2 weeks they're going back to actual warriors of old like Shaolin vs Mauoi, and 2 actual people of history Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace. But their last episode is going to be the worse, the IRA vs the Taliban! That is just..stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah and in Vikings .V. Samurai, the Viking snapped the Samurai's spine w/ a battle axe, but lost anyway. WTF?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

:::''IRA versus Taliban? Despite each group being completely different philosophy/theology/motivations/goals/limitations etc, the show could just show a Bomb going off in a pub (IRA) or a truck driving UP to a marketplace and then blowing up (Taliban)....Yeeesshhhhh! MPM2008''

The only thing I've liked about this show so far was the actual ninja vs Spartan battle. It was fairly entertaining, if nothing else (even though it was a serious mismatch). Like comparing an AK to an AR hasn't been done 674356789765545675 times before...? They should stick to matching up pre-gunpowder warriors, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:If it was Ninja vs Pirates, then that would be awesome [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Fuck that, i want zombies versus gladiators[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just saw the Yakuza vs. Mafia & Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episodes, and I think I have a migrane now. They used a Luger P08 as a "Walther P38" and had a so-called "expert" saying the M4A1 has a "4-position selector switch" and is capable of both burst AND automatic fire. What the hell? They also had a Saiga-12 with a hunting-style stock rather than the mil-spec pistol grip. They also used a 7.62x39mm folding-stock AK to represent the 5.45x39mm "AK-74 carbine" I guess this should be expected from a channel with shows as ''Manswers''... [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:Another glaring error; in the Green Berets/Spetznaz episode, U.S. military personnel NEVER wear berets in combat! That is PURE hollywood! Those soldiers would have been wearing kevlar helmets, patrol caps, boonie hats, or -maybe- a baseball cap, but NOT their freakin' berets which are only worn in non-combat situations such as when on base stateside. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Navy Seals during the Vietnam War did use Berets, Bonnie hats, Bush Hats and those baseball-cap style green caps they used when they weren't in combat. Alongside all kinds of bandanas but, they depicted the green berets and the russians in modern day and even that Spike TV managed to fuck up. The Spetznaz doesn't use AKMs. They use AK-74Ms.

::Well, the were accurate enough by at least saying the Spetznaz use AK-74s, but in the show we don't see a single AK-74 like gun at all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::They said AK-74 not AK-74M but that is just nitpicking. They also called the AK-74 a carbine not a assault rifle. This show is dumb.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Four position Safety==
I hate to break it to some of you but they do in fact make a four position safety for the M-16 series rifle. You used to be able to buy them a few years back in the Shotgun news.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Really? That a fact? But we're talking about the Green Berets here. Do you really think they use M4s with 4 selections? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't know the only time I have handled an official US issue M-4A1 was about ten years ago and it was safe-Semi-Full. from what I understand the four position safety was designed as an experiment and latter sold comercially. Given that the weapons are shown comertially then it is possible that such a selector on that rifle. As far as the "Green Beret"'s go I'm sure they have an example or two stored in the back of a bunker or two. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There was NOT any four-selector AR-15 based rifle EVER created. If you ever had any AR-15 rifle dissasembled, or even if you ever handled any, you would have know, that a four-selector switch is purely impossible. ALL issued variants have/had only a three-position selector switch - either for save/semi/auto (early models Colt 601,602, various carbine versions, the M16A3 and others) or save/semi/burst (M16A2, M16A2 etc). Concerning the M4 Carbine, the original version, Colt Model 720, adopted in 1994, was capable of firing three round burst and had M16A2 style non-remouvable carrying handle. M4A1 variant (Colt Model 925) and the SOPMOD version are capable of fully automatic fire, have remouvable carring handle, and in case of SOPMOD and M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) are fitted with M5 Knight's Armament Corporation RIS/RAS. [[Ragnar -unregistered user]]
:Sorry idiot i am calling you on your Bullshit. Look in the back issues of Shotgun News for about the past decade. it may take a while to find comertially available four position safty's for not only the M16 but for Romanian(?) AK varients. Tey were the sorts of adds that grabbed my attention because they were the sorts of odd things that you find in places that store small arms and/or the parts of. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Adendum...(http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=5760328.PN.&OS=PN/5760328&RS=PN/5760328 )Colt pattened the thing back in 1996.

==IRA Vs. Taliban==
I was kind of annoyed by the errors this show typically displays as always, but some notable ones were on Sunday with the IRA vs. Taliban episode. They claimed the Irish Republican Army used the "Armalite AR-15" as their main weapon, yet I was always under the impression they used the Armalite AR-18. And aside from that, hasn't Colt been the producer of the "AR-15" since the 70s? The guns they used on the show were M16A2/Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR rifles anyway, not Armalite guns. And they somehow tried to show the AK-47 was superior to an AR-15 by slapping a huge amount of mud on the action and pouring water down the barrel. The AK of course didn't jam and the AR did, but that's a dumb test. A gun can get dirty and jam up but if it gets THAT dirty, it isn't even a fair trial. Also, they compared an LPO-50 flamethrower to an RPG-7 (Norinco Type 69)? One is good for 20ft another can hit out at 300m. That's fair. And they claim both are MID-RANGE weapons. Also, they couldn't get the actual flamethrower used in the one incident, so they used this propane tank flamethrower that barely worked. And then they compare the slingshot to the bayonet. WTF??!! One is a hand-to-hand blade fixed to the muzzle of a gun, the slingshot is a mid-range projectile launcher. And if the IRA used it, it was more effetive than what they showed on the show. This show is dumb, I only watch it now because my friends told me it is awesome and I watch just to tear it down. Plus in the Gangsters episode, they kept saying "clip" instead of magazine, which was seriously pissing me off. And listening to David Wenham say the "British Sten uses a 30-round clip" made me want to kill everyone who makes this show. And the use of the term "drum-clip" is just insipid. There are better shows on sunday. Like Family Guy. I was mad I had to miss that just to watch this crap. Well, there's my review :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:You are right. The IRA did use AR-18s instead of AR-15s and i don't think that the IRA has a main weapon. Hell, i don't think that any guerrilla groups have main weapons. They just take what they can get, the only reason AKs are so common with guerrillas are because the Soviet Union and China gave those away like candy to enemies of the united States and because they are extremely easy to manufacture, and the use of the word clip in the show pisses me the fuck off. The computer guy also is extremely annoying. I want to shove a M67 up his ass.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, I mean, they even said in the show the IRA also uses AKs. The "British" troops with M16s is very inaccurate, since no one in the British military outside the SAS, SBS or other Special Forces uses M16 weapons. This is an even more insulting episode than the Green Berets vs the Spetsnaz! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::During the height of the IRA bombings, the British army still had the [FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1 SLR]] and Sterling SMGs. The Brits never used the M16 out side elite or non-conventional units. MPM2008
Well the British forces did have numerous AR15 type rifles in inventry for use by troops in jungle enviroments, such as Brunei and Belize. British troops from most infantry regiments could expect to do a rotation in ether country for jungle warfare training. Whilst the SLR was the most common rifle seen in Northern Ireland prior to the adoption of the SA80 series, AR15s were used there by non Spec Ops troops.

:The slingshot vs bayonet comparison definitely ties with ballistic knife vs E-tool as the absolute worst mismatches I've ever seen. And after the Luger/P-38 fiasco and those so-called "Green Berets" and "Spetznaz" making complete fools out of themselves by knowing pretty much squat about their weapons, I didn't think it could get any worse.I wonder what's next on this show. Bloods vs Crips? Rainbow Six vs Ghost Recon? Sam Fisher vs Solid Snake? Old Lady vs Pickpocket? Sheesh... When it first premiered, I really enjoyed the show, but now... [[Special:Contributions/24.7.190.251|24.7.190.251]] 03:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:This is the LAST episode. I really HOPE there is no season 2, but if there is, I'll be there to screen cap it. And I wouldn't be surprise if it's gang bangers vs other gangs. And I'd bet on Solid Snake more than Sam Fisher and Rainbow Six over Ghost Recon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:No, I've got better ones: LAPD vs Blackwater and George Bush vs Barack Obama. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

::Blackwater win over LAPD since the latter is a band of ex-military SF mercs, so no competition there. And if you want Bush vs Obama, just look at their presidencies and decided who wins or hope Celebrity Death match makes one. I'd say the LAPD SWAT vs the Columbian FARC. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that Blackwater has TONS of combat vets in their ranks. Bush versus Obama, we're not talking politics here, then '''only ONE of them had any military training, and he flew F-104 Starfighters''', so there's no comparison. So you have a 'community organizer' vs 'fighter pilot' neither one has useful small arms or hand to hand training so it's kind of a moot point. Overall the show is supremely retarded. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:The most understated thing said so far. The show is supremely retard! Thank you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Spetznaz guys know absolutely jack shit about guns. and i agree with you MPM, this show is supremely retarded but it's Spike TV so what do you expect?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::::The Provisional IRA had both AR-15s and AR-18s, and some M16s as well. These were all weapons purchased by their Irish-American sympathizers in the U.S.; the M16s were stolen from Camp LeJune, while the AR-15s and AR-18s were purchased at gun stores. Qaddafi sent them large amounts of Communist bloc weaponry, including AKs (mostly Romanian AIMs), RPG-7s, DShKs, RGD-5 grenades, and CZ-75s. Qaddafi sent them some Western-made guns, too, including "Wonder Nines", FN MAGs, and the LPO-50s. But the IRA almost never used the LPO-50s, except in a single recorded incident at an Army checkpoint.

::::I also found it interesting that they glossed over the fact that the IRA was actually one of the very first terrorist groups in the world to use the RPG-7 (they first used RPGs as early as 1972). But anyway, I think it's a really ridiculous comparison because the IRA and the Taliban are completely different types of groups. The IRA is more of a gang than a guerrilla army, and would be squeamish if they had to engage in the sort of activities that the Taliban do regularly. Euro-commie radical wanna-bes vs. Islamist tribal mountain savages = the savages win. Not to mention that the Taliban's fund-raising practices are WAY above the IRA's. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It funny how these people are like rrr "I am super awesome mega warrior" It is just funny how they call themselves experts. wouldn't they actually shoot each other or be arrested for terrorist activities? Beeteles

:It seems like all these experts are all assholes too that look at the opposing side as weak jerk offs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Every time I watch this show, I end up laughing like hell, with their so called experts who keep flinching every time they fire a gun, hilarious. Also in the Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episode, the Spetznaz "sniperexpert" misses almost half of his shots, I mean WHAT THE FUCK, even I, the worst shooter in the world, could hit that target evey time with that kind of weapon, it's built for this job and he still misses. And he claims to be a former sniper, well time to work on your skills dumbass. -Jacco Croon-

== This Page ==
This Page needs alot of work. I will try to fix it later.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you mean "Alot of work"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::What i mean is that the screencaps need captions and some of the sections have no gun-pictures. It's more of "alot of work" as in quantity not difficulty.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well some of the sections without gun pictures is because I didn't know which guns they were. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Experts??" ==

I don't think that anyone on either side of the "Green Beret vs Spetnatz had been an "expert" for ten years or more. I meen the Green Beret was pathetic with the beretta and he had a beer belly that sticks out 20".-beeteles
:''Far be it for me to deem anyone's status at anything...I really think that the experts they get are actors who were just slightly better than the Z-list "talent" they got to do the re-enactments.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sure the "experts" are retarded actors that don't know a goddamm thing about guns or anything military in general.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Case in point, Matt the Green Beret thinking his M4 was capable of both full auto and mechanical burst. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
::::And I've never met a Green Beret who actually wore his green beret into the field. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::::I have, but they were Nam era Green Berets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 03:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It also comes to mind that SF wouldn't typically be chosen for the type of "mission" that was portrayed in the closing battle. An op like that would normally be assigned to Rangers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:Really? Being not that informed or smart in shit like that,I always thought it was the enemy or situation that matterednot the operation. But again,I suck at shit like that. [[User:Pump_Shotty_Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]]
::Different units have different applications. SF would typically be dropped behind enemy lines to train indigenous forces and build alliances with them, while Rangers would carry out direct action missions. SF ''can'' do the latter, but they don't specialize in it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== green beret vs spetznaz ==

well i watched the show mainly becauseit was a modern re-anacment and well...i fuckin hate this show. the so called experts were shitty shots with the beretta. the test were really un-fair. come on. mossy 590 shooting a pig from a few yards out is supposed to be a fair test to the seiga shooting about 4 different 'jelly' targets while moving and some were behind cover. a frag grenade in side a washing machine is fair compared to throwing a grenade in a plast-glass corridor. bullshit. they wouldnt really use an E-TOOL for a melee weapon the would use a K-BAR knife. they would use kinmber 1911 variants or maybe a MK23 (or is that black-ops forces). and wasnt the makarov replaced by some other gun recently (last 5-10 years or so)--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, Marines use KA-Bars, but many servemen use them because they are very reliable. Special Forces do use glocks and the occasional Colt, but the MK23 was phased out due to it being just overall too big of a weapon. And E-tools are extremely dangerous and quite effective when you slice something with it. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

:Couple of things I would like to point out. Yes, the Makarov is slowly being replaced by the GSh-18 pistol, which came out in 2000. I agree that the tests were incredibly unfair, though even in the shotgun test, the saiga won, even though it's test was unfair. I believe they used the E-tool as the Green Beret melee weapon because if it was just a knife against a ballistics knife, the ballistics knife would have too much of an advantage. With the E-Tool, which is still a very capable weapon, they at least have a longer reach in straight up melee combat. And no, as far as I'm aware, and this is supported by my limited research on the subject, the Green Berets would use the Beretta. The only branch that ever used/still uses a Kimber model was the MEU. [[Special:Contributions/71.199.132.177|71.199.132.177]] 19:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

should have been Delta vs Spetnaz...ahhaha just kidding, but seriously that episode pissed off a ton of people, you'd think that the Green Berets would be equiped with more customized M4s and such, and each fire team would be different. wheres the team's DMR? wheres the team's machine gunner? etc etc and i mean for both sides...and a shotgun is a secondary weapon, never a primary when it comes to a fireteam, unless you're in SWAT or something. M9s, M11s, MEUs, etc etc, each Green Beret or Special Forces soldier has his choice of what kind of firearms he wants to carry.
overall...bullshit

do ya know what really pissedmeoff. when the spetznaz soldier threw the grenade in the washing machine he walked off and lit up a smoke like he was some badass cool soldier. very unproffesional. and made him look like a jackass. if i was on COD...hahahah just messing around im not an 8 year old--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:So what? The Mafia guy put a rose into the pocket of a dummy after he mowed it down with his tommy gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

==Meant for Entertainment==

I do not believe this show is meant to be taken seriously, rather it is meant for entertainment and possibly sending people into fits about whatever historical badass they were rooting for. I agree that the test ARE ridiculous, unbalanced and often seem rigged but I think the show was meant for viewing pleasure and a springboard for calm discussions rather than a reason to shout and call foul. Anybody with a brain, nay half a brain, could see that these tests and "experts" are fictitious. Hell, the "advanced system" they claim to use is MS Excel. Therefore I can only logically conclude that the show is not and never was meant to be taken seriously.By the way, the RPG-7 appears to be a a Norico copy.[[User:UH-H1|Bumblebear]]

:The RPG also seems to be a fake cause the way it was fired, it looked like special effects. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::This would be a good show if they didn't fudge the "tests" and just pitted two very different people against each other. The problem with the show is that it's ridiculous, AND it tries to look real and scientific. Seriously, ditch the fake science, and Spike would be sitting on a f*cking goldmine. Zombies vs. Delta Force? Win. Pirates vs. ninjas? Epic win.--[[Special:Contributions/70.121.214.203|70.121.214.203]] 20:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I actually like this show, even though they may never show it in Australia, but I watched several episodes on the internet and it's interesting and ridiculously funny.

==Season 2==
Bad news people,there is going to be a second season. --[[Special:Contributions/66.168.55.164|66.168.55.164]] 01:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC) (ThePotShot)

So???

:What next? Delta vs Chinese special forces? LA SWAT vs Columbians? Abraham Lincoln vs Hitler? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Hey, those aren't very bad ideas. Maybe they might have them in future episodes. Also can we please cut down on the criticism because like what they said earlier this show isn't meant to be taken seriously and is rather more for entertainment.

:::I got it! MALL NINJAs versus COD Fanboys! Woo hoo! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:No no, Mall Ninjas vs REAL ninjas and COD fanboys vs Battlefield fanboys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:Two new matchups- Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great and Nazi SS v/s Viet Cong (WTF?) has been confirmed for Season 2 they are also doing jesse james gang vs al capone's too which seems a little one sided [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior#cite_note-18].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::See, neither of those make sense. Attila and Alexander were better as generals then warriors, as opposed to Wallace and Zulu, who were both revered as capable fighters. The Nazi SS and the Vietcong doesn't even begin to make sense. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

According to wiki, there will be a CIA vs KGB, which is also...pretty vague. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Do you think they should do North Korean Army vs South Korean Army?

James Bond vs Jasone Bourne might be nice (Bourne wins)

Here's seaason 2's match ups,,according to Wikipedia:

SWAT vs. GSG-9: ''Ther'e both SAWT right?''

Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior ''Who's a zande?''

A Zande is essentially a north african tribal warrior... ~kinda~ like a zulu but with their own unique style of weapons

Jesse James Gang vs. Al Capone Gang ''Uhm, Thompsons vs revolvers. no contest''

Persian Immortal vs. Celt ''Ok, maybee''

Roman Centurion vs. India's Rajput Warrior

Somali Pirate vs. Medellin Cartel ''Guy with ruty AK vs guy with unlimited budget for wepons? Medellin win''

KGB vs. CIA ''What are they supposed to use?''

Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu ''Uhm, Sun was a THINKER, not a warrior, and Vlad is an overrated psycho.''

Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer

Comanche vs. Mongol

Navy Seal vs. Israeli Commandos ''Might be good''

:Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer - Musketeer has...guns. GSG-9 is German special forces. They are one of the world's first modern spec ops. They'll win. Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great, they both had to be warriors on the field, because unlike Generals of today, back then, you have to be a good fighter to lead and these 2 live in similar times, so it's very possible. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

The Ming dynasty covers the 14th-17th century and utilized firearms as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeer#Musketeers_in_China. Maybe we'll see matchlock vs. flintlock? I imagine they'll bugger it up fairly badly.

Actually on the website they show "bio" pics of the ming warrior with some kind of 4 barreled handganon and the musketeer is the type from the 1600s era with a matchlock musket and plug bayonet so all and all both sides actually have "fairly primative firearms

:I have great expectations for the Navy SEALSs vs. IDF Commandos and SWAT vs. GSG-9 episode (hope the supposed experts do not spoil these two). Whereas the Jesse James vs. Al Capone, Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu and Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer episode are the most @#!*% selections and even a 8 year old can figure out the winners in the first and last one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 04:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::Personally I think the Navy SEALs vs IDF Commandos (um... ''which'' IDF Commandos? IDF has a special unit for everything from CT to cleaning the head...) is gonna turn out just as bad as SF vs Spetsnaz. They're gonna get actors who don't know crap about crap to portray their "experts" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:KGB versus CIA will be weird, because as far as I know they only carry handguns, so not much to compare unless we looks at document filing, penmanship, interrogation, and maybe watercooler conversations. Also, GSG-9 will @#!*% up SWAT, SS vs VC is retarded, and on the Bond thing, let's pull a Goldeneye and have "James Bond vs entire Russian army" cause we know how that works out. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

According to this site http://www.isayeret.com/guides/units.htm, Isreal has 31 spceal forces units. Even if only a third are commando-type units, which one fights the SEALs? Flotila 13, the IDF/Navy SEAL equivelent, is best, but who knows. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"SS vs VC is retarded". Not so much as it actually happened. When the French started fighting the VC, they sent in the French Foreign Legion, who just cut the VC into ribbons. A journalist did some investigating, and found out that the FFL soldiers were actually former Waffen SS. There was great outrage in France and all of the ex-SS FFL were kicked out. That's when the French started losing. David.

== New complaints of the new season ==

:Just saw the new episode and when the GSG9 guy talked about the PSG-1, he called the mag a clip. Not once but 3 times. That just seemed out of place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

ahahaha the VC would own the SS regardless. and that was funny when the GSG9 guys called the mag a clip, but they didnt even have a german accent...odd...LOL and why would they use a Mossberg when they have plenty of H&K shotguns...ahahahah this show is still bullshit when it comes to firearms comparision

:They're also inconsistent. During the IRA vs Taliban, they rated the AR-15 higher than the AK. But on the Back for Blood special when they pit the Spetsnaz against the IRA, they suddenly declared the AR-15 and AK to be evenly matched. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It was funny when they mentioned the pirates and then mention the Somalis and I just laughed cause if you've been keeping up to date, the Somallis aren't having a good track record. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:They should do Navy SEALs vs Somali pirates. They can do all their fancy "tests" and whatnot, but then when the end comes, show a short 30 second clip of SEAL snipers downing the pirates from 300 yards away from the stern section of a frigate. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

well to anser Spartan198 qustition/comment it was becuse the taliban used the AK-47 and the spetnaz used the AK-74 carbine (still think it is a bull shit connclushion tho)--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 12:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont know why i still watch this, i really enjoy the non firearm episodes, but seriously, can they sort the 'experts' out. Did anyone else notice one of the GSG9 guys faffing aroung with a winchester trech shotgun, WTF? And dont get me started on the PSW/M4/416 mark your minds up. I also didnt see the point in a non leathal ssection on a show called deadliest warrior. Deadliest. Id much rather have seen a pistol showdown the stun grenades an a wall of tasers, ok rant over. Till next week i guess - captain snikt

@Armyguy277: So? An AK74 is just an AKM chambered for the smaller cartridge. Otherwise, it's the same identical gun. FYI, no AK74s were ever used anywhere in this show. The Spetsnaz were armed with AKMs just like the Taliban were. And the AK74 isn't a carbine, it's a rifle. The carbine version of the 74 is the AKSU-74. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

In the GSG9 vs SWAT, the guys representing GSG9 weren't even GSG9 operators. One of them is a Gebirgsjäger, mountain infantryman of the Bundeswehr, who was never in the BGS/BPol. The other one, though a GSG9 combat instructor, was an instructor for hand to hand combat. The two SWAT guys on the other hand, were actual D platoon officers. The two German guys are good, but when they do the room clearing, they can't match the speed of someone who actually participate in mission or train everyday.

Also, I found the stingball grenade vs. taser shockwave comparison to be completely bogus since they are totally different class of weapon. When the German guys point out that the stingball is more maneuverable, they just use a single taser and test it on a subject and then declare taser superior. I mean WTF... For me, D platoon could do no wrong, but this show is totally unfair to the GSG9. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 19:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the GSG9 guys' time in the room takedown "test" seemed a bit too fast for what they actually did. I also noticed they had a particularly slow rate of fire. I know I counted at least half a second between each of the three rounds one put into that first target dummy. And I'm not too sure of their reasoning for yelling "target" loud enough that everyone in the killhouse could hear. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, and is it just me, but did anyone notice one of the "operators" handling a Winchester 1897? I swear I saw it at one point. Also did the LWRC PSD switch back with a standard M4A1 when they were switching between "prep" and live fire? Also I have to agree with the "comparison" of the stingball/taser shockwave. The stingball would be the more practical of the two whereas the shockwave, though cool looking, is almost impractical. Seriously if riot cops have to set that thing up before use ya think maybe the rioters will rush them before it can be deployed?

In addition the one thing I found odd, and please correct me here, is the SWAT use of lethal force. I was always under the impression that SWAT used lethal force as a last result (yes I know this was a "combat" situation) but, at their core, they are cops who prefer to arrest suspects. I refer specifically to one scene where a SWAT operator guns down a wounded GSG-9 operator. GSG-9 on the other hand is, by their very nature, supposed to do nothing but use deadly force. Rant completed [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:Well, GSG 9 is technically a police tactical unit too. When the situation permit, they would attempt to arrest suspect too (hence the use of non-leathal weapons such as the stingball). Just as for SWAT, when the lives of civilians or officers are threatened, SWAT officers wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force to neutralize the suspect. As for the combat simulation at the end of the episode, it was the dumbest thing I ever saw. The only amusing part for me was that the taser shockwave proved inferior to the stingball grenade in actual combat. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 10:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought GSG-9 were Counter Terrorist special forces kind of group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==G36C, Season 1?==

The section of Season 1 that was about the G36C was wrong. It incorrectly labeled the gun, since it was a G36K, not a G36C. I've fixed it, but if anyone wants to inspect it to make sure I'm not just seeing things, go ahead. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Just Pathetic==

I was quite stoked for the new season. But when I watched the IRA vs Spetsnaz bit on the special, I noticed that when the announcer describes the G3 sniper rifle, the fucking picture beside him is a G36K! I could understand a slight mistake, but considering these are two COMPLETELY different weapons of different eras, that's plainly unacceptable. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

:They did the same thing with the Walther P38 and had the stat image be a Luger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I believe we have now officially left the land of "Did Not Do Their Research", and have entered the realm of "They Just Didn't Care."--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::As horrible as their firearm "tests" and the like have been so far, they just totally blew them all out of the water with the Alexander the Great vs Attila the Hun episode. They compared a one-handed Hunnic battle axe to a freaking BALLISTA! A ''melee weapon'' vs a ''siege engine''? Seriously, WTF?! That's like comparing an M9 bayonet to the 120mm main gun on an Abrams tank! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Uhhh. What????==
Ok I've watched a couple episodes and I have to say this show is ........... well it's stupid. That's the only way I can describe it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we all agree on that [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Yeah, comparing a battle axe designed for melee combat to a ballista designed to attack structures and large formations was the last straw. This show has lost all credibility. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about ya, but has Spike TV received any complaints though???

Online fan complaints are always going on [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== I am now pissed! ==

A grenade vs a Winchester repeating rifle?! The Tommygun vs the peacemaker?! Brass Knuckles vs pistol whipping someone. And Al Capone LOSES to the cowboys?! This show never ceases to piss me off. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Man that was rigged! Besides I know more about gangster weapons compared to cowboy weapons.

It wasn't rigged they rightfully took into account that Jesse James and his boys had more experiance in marksmanship and built up speed when aligning their sights

Mobsters would most likely use a .38 snub nosed revolver of some sort while the James gang would have a mix of Remington, S&W and Colt. Also, mobsters usually shot people from behind, rarely getting into gun fights-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)