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Talk:NCIS - Season 2

2017-11-11T23:53:03Z

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== Kimber not a Kimber ==

It's a Springfield Armoury pistol, possibly a TRP. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:42, 11 March 2012 (CDT)

== Bravo 51? ==

Are we sure that the rifle used is actually a Bravo 51 as I thought all Tac Ops rifles had a custom enlarged bolt knob, and this has the standard Rem 700 one. Also the McMillan stock used on the Bravo 51 is the McHale and on the show rifle the texturing at the front of the stock is too far forward for this to be the case. Or is it that this is an early model or something? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:50, 26 February 2013 (EST)

== Spares ==

[[File:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Special Agent Gibbs draws his P228 in "Chained" (S2E10).]]
[[File:NCISS2E13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gibbs holds his P228 in "The Meat Puzzle" (S2E13).]]

== Episode 10: Chained ==

Did anyone else notice the continuity error at the end of the episode. Tony gets handed a Smith & Wesson, looked like a 45, but then is holding a Para. I would screen shot it, but I don't know how. Rotncorpse

Talk:Devil May Cry Series

2015-05-03T13:14:07Z

Rotncorpse: /* The new DMC reboot */

"Unknown" for Lady's pistol is as in "I'm too busy to look up other images for it right now." This whole article is just a placeholder for now while I go though looking for weapons. Anyone know if Blue Rose is supposed to be anything other than "revolver the size of a house?" [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The Blue Rose is basically the Smith and Wesson Model 500, or similar, but with six chambers instead of five, and with two barrels.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 02:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Hybrid Guns ==
Dante's Ebony and Ivory are NOT [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911s]]. They're hybrid guns, combining features from the Colt M1911a and the [[Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USPs]]. This is apparant in the slide, area around the recoil spring, and the fact that Ebony and Ivory has pivto-style triggers, like the H&K USP, but unlike the M1911. The same trick of combining two guns was used by Capcom in [[Resident Evil 4]], when they combined an H&K USP, [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23|Mk. 23s]], and a [[Smith & Wesson Sigma]]. If you think I am wrong, please argue for your point of view, but please do not just delete this entry without an explanation. Thank you.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Ebony and ivory ARE 1911 based pistols, no matter what anyone says. I own 4 1911's and are very familiar with them, Before I've ever seen the game guns I built a 1911 with a compensator attached to the rail and after seeing them it looks extremely similar. The trigger difference is far from a good reason. People have trimmed the bottom of a 1911 trigger to look hindged and functions just as normal. As I said I'm writing from experience not because I play a lot of games and THINK I know because I've seen them in fps.
:You're a little late to the party, dude. Look at the article, this issue was resolved months ago.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I only saw it today. I'm viewing it on the imfdb website and the only post says it was a 1911/USP mix 'n match. I couldn't leave an incorrect statement without leaving behind the correct one.
:This is just the talk page. The article, the part that matters, is correct.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 02:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Lady's Sidearm ==

It's not a 1911, it looks more like a custom EAA Witness with a longer barrel and a longer and heavier slide with a compensator. Try looking at it in-game for the shape of the grip, the higher profile frame (which has the milling cuts found on the CZ 75), and the shape of the trigger guard (but in the end it might just be a hybrid gun). If you watch the cut-scene before level 9, it shows a close-up of a casing from Lady's handgun and it says 9mm on it (also she has ONE pistol, not two). On a side note, Lady's Vz.61 Skorpion has much larger than normal magazines, but all in all it's sill just a Vz.61 Skorpion (it also has a large bayonet mounted on it).

PS: Dante's handguns are NOT 1911/HK USP hybrids, they're just heavily customized 1911s. Just because the milling on the slides looks like the USP (and also the Sig P220), does not make it part USP. I've seen a mod for 1911s called Hi-Power Cuts, which mills the front of the slide to make it look like the milling on a Browning Hi-Power's slide. As for the triggers, they're also just custom additions, they don't look like USP triggers at all in-game.

I see nothing on here to state any resolution. I see one person who put it was a 1911/USP mix 'n match. I only saw this today, and couldn't leave an incorrect statement without letting people know what's right.

== The new DMC reboot ==

Dear God, I really hate that they reboot the franchise and gave Dante this emo young punk look [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Dante always kinda looked like an emo punk. [[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 20 September 2010 (UTC)

You misunderstand how I see Dante. Sure he has the white hair and anyone in real life with that kind of hairstyle would be sorta emo or punk like, but for Dante, it's different. He's a tough guy. An asshole and a douchebag. He looks at everything as a joke and has fun at the risk of his own life and even the faith of the human race as long as he's amused. That's not really the trait of an "emo punk". His powers during the cutscenes are only defined on how hilarious the results are and his dialogue are anything but emo. He's smug, but likeable. He's does not take anything seriously and would laugh at the face of death itself and most likely did from time to time. Everything around him has this dark demonic goth look about it, but Dante is the shining light that makes even the most grim situations laughable. That is what Dante of the Devil May Cry series is about.

Now this reboot, he doesn't even have the white hair. He's too skinny, too young looking, I mean younger than Devil May Cry 3 Dante. He looks like he's in high school trying to be a rebel without a cause oh yeah and a smoker. The creator of Dante always felt that Dante not smoking made him more badass and now we got this punk kid pretending to be Dante. I've always believe that a character who smokes isn't a badass unless he is already a badass without the smoking. The smoking only enhances the badassery of a character that already is bad ass without it. There's nothing funny or amusing about this reboot Dante. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:53, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Well,Excalibur,I agree. If it was like Bond,where he was smoking from the beginning,and then stopped in later progressions(With reason other than actor change),it'd be understandable. this guy just began to turn into a loser with an awful look without reason why or how. ANd the smoking thing is stupid. I liked the pizza thing from DMC 3(at the beginning),and the strawberry sundae thing from the animated series. Things like that seemed to crop him out from most other protagonists. But now he's just conformed face in a crowd of hundreds of other bad ass protagonist badasses who aren't even badass.--[[User:Pump Shotty Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]] 16:25, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

:Ebony and Ivory got turned into Desert Eagle knockoffs and therefore DMC does not exist. Except [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPKHxbOg19s that Youtube video where they set the language to Spanish, gave Donte a moustache and added in random Mariachi music], that exists. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:36, 4 November 2014 (EST)

I may get flack for this, and it's kind of late in the game, but I liked the reboot. He doesn't smoke in it and he's still a jokester, who just uses some vulgar language now. If you pay attention to detail, he has the same face model, just skinnier. I mean honestly, other than a reboot, there wasn't much else they could do with the storyline after 4. I could of done without them using a DE for Ebony & Ivory, but it's Capcom. That's just my opinion though. [[User:Rotncorpse|Rotncorpse]] 06:36 1 May 2015 (EST)

:There's a lot they could have done. How about cover Vergil's career before DMC3, or Dante's career after DMC3 but before DMC1? Or even hand the reins over to Nero in another sequel so we can get some definitive answers regarding his origins? Or remake DMC2 into the game it might have been, but with DMC3's motion capture and voice actors and improved gameplay? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 11:53, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

:Donte isn't a jokester, he's a tiresome emo brat, Donte looks nothing like Dante, and the correct answer to "I can't think of an original story" isn't "I'll just use this one that someone else wrote already." You don't need to constantly reboot things at arbitrary intervals to keep things fresh, you just need writers who are good at writing stories rather than telling people that Fox News are meanieheads and stealing the Slurm Worm bit from Futurama. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:19, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

:...WOW, Tim. You're being incredibly immature about this. You're basically saying "The guns aren't on this page because I think it sucks WAAAAAAAA". That's not really you. Actually, come to think of it, the whole DMC page ''sucks''. Needs a massive retool me-thinks. WITH those Deagle E/I Pistols, I may add." --[[User:Gunmaster2011|Gunmaster2011]] ([[User talk:Gunmaster2011|talk]]) 11:30, 2 May 2015 (EDT)

::No, they can go on a separate page, since unlike the other DMC games, <s>reskinned Heavenly Sword 2</s> DmC doesn't have most of the same guns in it as the others (in fact it doesn't have any of them).

::''I'm'' not adding it because the last time I tried playing it, it ended up wiping my PS3's hard drive somehow (I think it stands for "destroy my console") which lost me, among other things, all my save data for two ''Armoured Core'' games, and I think it's a completely stupid game, but you shouldn't just randomly assign motives to people based on statements that are obviously not completely serious. If I were really like that I'd have deleted the page for the completely fictitious movie ''Highlander 2'' by now, for a start. :P

::More to the point, DmC fails the single gun rule (the only others seem to be [http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Revenant a fictional semiautomatic sawed-off shotgun] and [http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Kablooey whatever this is]) and so it doesn't really qualify for inclusion anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:08, 2 May 2015 (EDT)

I will say, other than the DE's, the only other gun, that's not fictional, is the FN F2000 that Virgil uses for brief moment. I really don't think the game needs a page either, that time could be used for something else. If I remember correctly, Virgil's beginning is covered in a graphic novel, which they would have to add a bunch of filler into to make a decent game. DMC2 had a terrible story line and would not be worth the time, effort, and money for a remake in my opinion. Nero's gameplay was decent, but the character was just a Dante clone with a bigger ego, and not really warranting his own game to me. Maybe the creators felt the original series was played out, wanted to go in a different direction, or frankly didn't give a flying F@#$ about what some fans/gamers might have wanted. I only chimed in because I thought the game was fun, not to start some internet pissing match. Besides, I'm just some random person on the internet voicing my opinion, so what do I know. Rotncorpse 08:11 3 May 2015 (EST)

== Ebony & Ivory uses ==

On the Devil May Cry wiki page for Ebony and Ivory, it has the following quote:

The right-handed white gun, Ivory, was custom built for rapid firing and fast draw times[5], while the left-handed black gun, Ebony, has been modified for long-distance targeting and comfort.[6]

My question: aside from the fact that Dante is part-demon and could easily just infuse Ebony's bullets with more energy so they go farther, are there any real-life modifications that could make a handgun with a near-identical partner have "long-distance targeting" capabilities?

[[User:SIGman|SIGman]] ([[User talk:SIGman|talk]]) 15:09, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Devil May Cry Series

2015-05-01T10:37:31Z

Rotncorpse: /* The new DMC reboot */

Talk:Devil May Cry Series

2015-05-01T10:34:38Z

Rotncorpse: /* The new DMC reboot */

Resident Evil: Retribution

2013-07-27T02:12:13Z

Rotncorpse: /* Smith & Wesson Model 629 Performance Center */

[[File:RE Retribution teaser poster.jpg|thumb|right|301px|''Resident Evil: Retribution'' (2012)]]

'''''Resident Evil: Retribution''''' is the fifth installment in the ''[[Resident Evil (disambiguation)|Resident Evil]]'' film franchise. [[Milla Jovovich]] returns as Alice in the 2012 3D sequel and several characters from the previous films also make return appearances. In addition, several characters from the videogames not previously introduced make their film debuts here including Leon S. Kennedy ([[Johann Urb]]), Barry Burton ([[Kevin Durand]]), and Ada Wong ([[Li Bingbing]]).

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=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226R==
Alice ([[Milla Jovovich]]) is seen dual-wielding [[SIG-Sauer P226R]] pistols when engaging Umbrella soldiers at the beginning of the film, which takes place in the immediate aftermath of ''[[Resident Evil: Afterlife]]''. This may be a continuity error, as she was not seen using these pistols in the [[Resident Evil: Afterlife|previous film]]. Rain ([[Michelle Rodriguez]]) uses a P226R to threaten Ada.
[[File:P226R.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226R - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:RER Promo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A composite image shows Alice with the dual SIG's.]]
[[Image:RER 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alice dual-wielding the SIG's. She was not seen using these pistols in the [[Resident Evil: Afterlife|previous film]].]]
[[Image:RER 1006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of Alice dual-wielding the SIG's.]]
[[Image:RER 1089.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rain ([[Michelle Rodriguez]]) uses her SIG-Sauer P226R to threaten Ada.]]

==SIG-Sauer P220 Sport==
Alice uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 Sport]] she obtains from a cop car in the Tokyo simulation. The pistol is seen clicking empty instead of the slide lock.
[[Image:SigP220Sport.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P220 Sport - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RER 420.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Alice pulls her P220 Sport.]]
[[Image:RER_SIG220mag.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Alice tosses a loaded mag into the air. Correctly, it's an 8 round .45 single stack magazine.]]
[[Image:RER_SIG220.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Alice loading her P220 Sport (only seen in the trailer).]]
[[Image:RER 2200.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alice fires the P220 Sport.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
A Raccoon City police officer is seen briefly using a [[Beretta 92FS]] while repelling zombies at the film's beginning.
[[File:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS]]
[[Image:RER 1008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Raccoon City police officer is seen briefly using a [[Beretta 92FS]] while repelling zombies at the film's beginning.]]

==Glock 17==
Ada Wong ([[Li Bingbing]]) carries a [[Glock 17]] with a rail-mounted weaponlight as her weapon of choice in the film. During a fight, Alice also is seen holding the pistol.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg |thumb|none|300px|Generation 2 [[Glock 17]] in 9x19mm. This model added finger stepping and cuts to the backstrap of the frame to make it easier to hold than the Generation 1 model.]]
[[File:LiBBRE5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A production image of [[Li Bingbing]] as Ada Wong firing her Glock.]]
[[Image:RER 1050.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ada Wong ([[Li Bingbing]]) opens fire with her Glock.]]
[[Image:RER 1028.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ada fires her Glock while fighting alongside Alice.]]
[[Image:RER 1013.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During a fight, Alice also is seen holding the pistol.]]

== Heckler & Koch USP ==
A two-tone [[Heckler & Koch USP]] is the sidearm carried by Luther West ([[Boris Kodjoe]]). He appears to be carrying two pistols, but is also seen drawing both of them once.
[[File:H&K USP 9MM 5.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP with two-tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RER 1059.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luther West ([[Boris Kodjoe]]) uses his USP to take on an infected soldier.]]
[[Image:RER 1090.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luther (center) with his dual USP's.]]

==Para-Ordnance P14 Limited==
A [[Para-Ordnance P14]] pistol fitted with a weaponlight appears to be the sidearm of Leon Kennedy.
[[Image:Para Ordinance P-14 45.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Para-Ordnance P-14 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RER 1073.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leon Kennedy on the left holds the pistol.]]
[[Image:RER 1091.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leon on the left with the pistol.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 629 Performance Center==
The .44 Magnum [[Smith & Wesson Model 629 Performance Center]] is seen carried by Barry Burton ([[Kevin Durand]]). Holstered on his vest, the revolver appears to be mocked up to resemble its video game counterpart (which was a .44 Magnum [[Colt Anaconda]]). Barry is first seen using it during the car chase through the Moscow simulation.
[[File:SW629PC.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith & Wesson Model 629 Performance Center]]]]
[[File:RE-R 001.jpg|thumb|none|550px|In this production image, Barry Burton ([[Kevin Durand]]) carries what appears to be a S&W 629 Performance Center revolver in a vest holster.]]
[[Image:RER 1073.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Barry is first seen using it during the car chase through the Moscow simulation.]]
[[Image:RER 1083.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Barry Burton ([[Kevin Durand]]) pulls his custom S&W 629. The revolver appears to be mocked up to resemble its video game counterpart (which was a .357 Magnum [[Colt Python]]).]]
[[Image:RER 1087.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Barry holds his revolver.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==TDI Vector==
The [[TDI Vector]] is the main gun handled by Alice ([[Milla Jovovich]]) in the film. The SMG's seen have the stock and foregrips removed. The SMG's are first seen as part of a cache of weapons discovered by Alice and then are dual-wielded by her throughout the film. The Vectors do not have any sights, mechanical or optical, mounted on their top rails.
[[File:ResidentEvilTDIVector 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Resident Evil TDI Vector select fire pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RER 1015.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Alice with her dual Vectors.]]
[[Image:RER 1011.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alice finds the Vectors.]]
[[Image:RER 1026.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Alice opens fire with her dual TDI Vectors while fighting alongside Ada.]]
[[Image:RER 1067.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alice shows Rain ([[Michelle Rodriguez]]) how to fire the Vector.]]
[[Image:RER 404.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alice with the Vector.]]
[[Image:RER 403.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[TDI Vector]]s are dual-wielded by Alice ([[Milla Jovovich]]) in a scene from the teaser trailer.]]
[[Image:Rekriss1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Behind the scenes of Milla training with the Vector.]]
[[Image:Rekriss2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Training with the Vector.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
The [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] is seen in the hands of a Secret Service agent guarding the White House.
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:RER 1094.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] is seen in the hands of a Secret Service agent guarding the White House.]]

==Heckler & Koch UMP==
Tony (Ofilio Portillo) is seen carrying a [[Heckler & Koch UMP]].
[[Image:UMP-45 Ironman.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP45 - .45 ACP. This is a Screen used UMP-45 fitted with a C-More red dot sight and Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip as used on the films ''[[Iron Man (2008)]]'' and ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''. A similar configuration, with the Surefire M900 replaced with a standard RIS foregrip, was used in ''[[XXX]]'']]
[[File:RER 1022.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony (Ofilio Portillo) is seen on the left carrying a [[Heckler & Koch UMP]].]]
[[File:RER 1062.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony fires the UMP.]]

==Yugoslav Model 61 Skorpion==
Jill Valentine ([[Sienna Guillory]]) uses a pair of [[Skorpion SA|Yugoslavian made Model 61(i) Skorpion]] submachine guns as her weapons of choice in the film. The pair is seen first being fired while Jill falls from an Umbrella attack ship at the film's opening. The coda scene to ''[[Resident Evil: Afterlife]]'', appeared to show her carrying [[MP9]]'s, but this was likely changed due to the fact that Jill carries Skorpions in the game ''[[Resident Evil 5]]''.
[[Image:Yugoslav Model 61 Skorpion.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Yugoslavian made Model 61(i) Skorpion distinguishable by its black pistol grip - .32 ACP]]
[[File:RER 908.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jill Valentine ([[Sienna Guillory]])) fires a pair of [[Skorpion SA|Yugoslavian made Model 61(i) Skorpion]] sub-machine guns while falling from an Umbrella attack ship. In the coda scene to ''[[Resident Evil: Afterlife]]'', she appeared to carry [[MP9]]'s.]]
[[File:JillRE5.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Promotional Image of Jill Valentine ([[Sienna Guillory]])) wielding a pair of [[Skorpion SA|Yugoslavian made Model 61(i) Skorpion]] submachine guns.]]
[[File:RER 1004.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jill Valentine ([[Sienna Guillory]]) uses a pair of [[Skorpion SA|Yugoslavian made Model 61(i) Skorpion]] submachine guns during the shootout on the ship.]]
[[File:RER 1054.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jill with her Skorpions. Her outfit closely resembles the one Jill wears in ''[[Resident Evil 5]]''.]]

=Shotguns=
==Dual 12 Gauge Sawed-Off Double Barreled Shotguns==
In the immediate aftermath of the [[Resident Evil: Afterlife|previous film]], Alice wields her pair of sawed-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]s in a dual shoulder rig setup. The shells appear to have been loaded with quarters as seen in ''[[Resident Evil: Afterlife]]''.
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun ManOnFire.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:RER 415.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the immediate aftermath of the [[Resident Evil: Afterlife|previous film]], Alice wields the pair of sawed-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]s in a dual shoulder rig setup.]]
[[File:RER 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alice fires her dual shotguns. The shells appear to have been loaded with quarters as seen in ''[[Resident Evil: Afterlife]]''.]]

=Rifles=
==AK Rifles==
Zombified Russian soldiers in the Moscow simulation are armed with [[AK-47|AK]] rifles.
[[File:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:RER 906.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zombified Russian soldiers in the Moscow simulation are armed with [[AK-47|AK]] rifles.]]
[[Image:RER 1042.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing the AK's.]]
[[File:RER 909.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Soldiers with their AK's open fire.]]

== AKMS ==
An [[AKMS]] is the weapon of choice for Sergei (Robin Kasyanov). Leon and infected Russian soldiers are also seen using the rifle.
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMS - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:RER 1022.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sergei (Robin Kasyanov) is seen on the near right carrying an [[AKMS]].]]
[[File:RER 1024.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sergei with the rifle.]]
[[File:RER 1063.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leon fires the rifle.]]

== Colt M4A1 ==
What appears to be an [[Colt M4A1]] fitted with an [[M203]] Grenade Launcher is seen carried by Rain Ocampo ([[Michelle Rodriguez]]). US Marines guarding the White House also appear to carry M4A1's fitted with EOTech sights.
[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4 Carbine with standard (not the LE) stock - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:RER 903.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What appears to be an [[Colt M4A1]] fitted with an [[M203]] Grenade Launcher is seen carried by Rain Ocampo ([[Michelle Rodriguez]]).]]
[[File:RER 1049.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rain with the M4. This angle offers good views of the Elcan SpecterDR scope, AN/PAQ-4C infrared aiming light, and Surefire visible light attached to it.]]

==Colt M16A2==
US Marines guarding the White House appear to be armed with the [[M16A2]].
[[File:M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:RER 1093.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US Marines guarding the White House appear to be armed with the [[M16A2]].]]

==IMI ACE 21==
An [[ACE 21]] is seen in the hands of both James "One" Shade ([[Colin Salmon]]) as well as Barry Burton ([[Kevin Durand]]). A few Umbrella troops use this weapon during the raid on the Arcadia
[[File:Galil ACE 21.jpg|thumb|400px|none|ACE 21 with Kimber Mepro red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:RER 901.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the right, James "One" Shade ([[Colin Salmon]]) holding his [[ACE 21]].]]
[[Image:RER 1041.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Barry Burton ([[Kevin Durand]]) fires his ACE.]]
[[File:RE-R 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production image of Barry Burton ([[Kevin Durand]]) wielding the ACE 21 with an attached suppressor.]]

== Heckler & Koch G36C ==
A two-tone [[Heckler & Koch G36C]] is the weapon carried by Luther West ([[Boris Kodjoe]]). The G36C is fitted with a foregrip, a German new system IDZ-style carry handle and the receiver is in the two-tone scheme.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:RE-R 002.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A two-tone [[Heckler & Koch G36]] appears to be the weapon carried by Luther West ([[Boris Kodjoe]]) in this production image.]]
[[File:RER 1102.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luther West ([[Boris Kodjoe]]) fires his two-tone G36C.]]

==IMI Tavor TAR-21==
Umbrella guards as well as Carlos Olivera ([[Oded Fehr]]) appear to be armed with an [[Tavor TAR-21|IMI Tavor CTAR-21]]. Ada also is seen using the rifle.
[[Image:IMI CTAR-21 Tavor.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Tavor CTAR-21 with ITL MARS red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:RER 905.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Umbrella soldiers attacking the tanker from the [[Resident Evil: Afterlife|previous movie]] are seen carrying TAR-21's, despite they appeared to be carrying M4s in the previous film's coda.]]
[[File:RER 1018.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Umbrella soldiers at the ready with their TAR-21's.]]
[[File:RER 901.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carlos Olivera ([[Oded Fehr]]) is seen on the left with the TAR-21 rifle.]]
[[File:RER 903.jpg|thumb|none|600px|TAR-21 rifles are seen held by Umbrella soldiers in the background.]]
[[File:RER 904.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Umbrella soldiers behind Rain ([[Michelle Rodriguez]]) are armed with the rifles.]]
[[File:RER 1056.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ada uses the TAR-21.]]

==SIG SG 552==
A [[SIG SG 552]] assault rifle fitted with an EOTech sight is carried by Leon Kennedy ([[Johann Urb]]).
[[Image:SIG SG 553.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SIG SG 552 fitted with scope rail - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:RER 907.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leon Kennedy ([[Johann Urb]]) carries the SIG SG 552.]]
[[File:RER 1079.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the EOTech sight on Leon's rifle.]]
[[File:RER 1080.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leon opens fire with his rifle.]]

=Machine Guns=
==GE M134 Minigun==
The Umbrella VTOLs open fire on the Arcadia with dual miniguns and air-to-ground missiles.
[[Image:Minigun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|GE M134 Minigun]]
[[Image:RER 406.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Umbrella VTOLs open fire on the Arcadia with dual miniguns and air-to-ground missiles.]]

==Browning M2==
Dual [[Browning M2]] machine guns are seen used by zombified Russian soldiers during the Moscow simulation. [[Browning M2]]s also are seen in machine gun nests atop the White House.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:RER 1031.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Dual [[Browning M2]] machine guns are seen used by zombified Russian soldiers during the Moscow simulation.]]
[[File:RER 909.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The dual Browning's are seen fired on the far left.]]
[[Image:RER 403.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Browning M2]]s are seen in machine gun nests atop the White House on either side of Alice. This scene only appears in the teaser trailer.]]
[[Image:RER 1096.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine mans the Browning at the White House.]]

==DShK 12.7mm Heavy Machine Gun==
A [[DShK]] 12.7mm Soviet Machine Gun mounted on a Soviet truck is used by a zombified soldier during the chase in the Moscow simulation.
[[File:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|300px|DShK machine gun ]]
[[File:RER 1069.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A [[DShK]] 12.7mm Soviet Machine Gun mounted on a Soviet truck is used by a zombified soldier during the chase in the Moscow simulation.]]
[[File:RER 909.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The DShK is seen fired on the far right.]]

==PKM==
A Russian soldier holds what appears to be an [[PKM]] during the Moscow simulation.
[[File:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|PKM]]
[[File:RER 906.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Infected Russian soldier on the left holds what appears to be an PKM.]]
[[Image:RER 1037.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier goes down while holding the PKM.]]

==M240C==
An [[M240C]] appears to be used by an infected Russian soldier riding a motorcycle.
[[File:M240C.jpg|thumb|none|501px|]]
[[Image:RER 1077.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M240C]] appears to be used by an infected Russian soldier riding a motorcycle.]]

=Other=
==RPG-7==
An infected Russian officer fires what appears to be an [[RPG-7]] during the Moscow simulation.
[[File:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|]]
[[File:RER 910.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An infected Russian officer fires what appears to be an [[RPG-7]].]]
[[Image:RER 1075.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Preparing to fire the RPG.]]

==Grappling Gun==
A custom stainless grappling gun is first used by Ada, who then gives it to Alice to use.
[[File:ADAgrapple.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A publicity image of Ada Wong ([[Li Bingbing]]) holding the custom grappling gun.]]
[[File:RER 1055.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the grapple gun.]]

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Talk:Red Dawn (2012)

2012-10-30T03:33:51Z

Rotncorpse: /* Remaking a great movie is a bad idea */

WTH? Did a 3 year old write this page?
:::Well the median age of the average IMFDB user is getting lower all the time ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::I think it would be more advisable to wait until a teaser or official set photos emerge before creating this page. After all, the release date is more than nine months away. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

::::I fixed the page's spelling and grammar issues.

==AK as seen in promo pic==
Is that an AKM with black synthetic furniture? Should I take an inventory Movie AKM and put black AK74 style furniture on it and photograph it for this page? Or is the gun something else? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

:Please do.-protoAuthor 01:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

:I think it may be something else. It may be something in the AK 100 series or some other varient. We need a better look at the weapons in question.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 01:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::Can American armorers actually get AK-103s? I didn't think they could without difficulty. If I had to guess, the weapons in this movie are probably AKMs with synthetic furniture and AK-74 flash hiders. There was another picture posted on the forum which showed the guns more clearly, and they had the ribbed receiver covers (AK-103s come from the factory with smooth). Plus, why would armorers go to the trouble of getting AK-103s? Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to just vismod AKMs? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::It's more cost effective to modify existing (and registered pre-86) AKMs with AK-103 parts kits ;) Doesn't mean *I* will do it, because it's a lot of work for no current reason, but I can't see a reason why others would not be able to do so. It does NOT look like a 103 but then I have not seen better pics from the production. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC) (correction) Title II manufacturers (Like CW) can build their own from the numerous AK receivers being built in this country and complete it with Parts kits. Again, I have no definitive indications of what these are, but there are tons of new types of AKs being imported (now only European style guns), which is a BIG change from the 1980s when there were only Chinese guns. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::::Here are a few pictures of the rifles for ID(more than likely, these are non-firing props since the muzzle brakes and front sight appear to be filled in):
:::::Those are DEFINITELY resin/rubber castings of AKMS with synthetic furniture and AK74 style muzzle brakes. BTW: those young Asian American Airsofter Extras who look kinda young compared to the hardened look of real PLA soldiers (hahaha) are wearing fake PLA CAMO that looks REALLY GOOD! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::http://img163.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=81311432742685146627835.jpg
::::Also, an AKMSU with an interesting forearm:
::::http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3010/reddawnset4.jpg

:::::I think those are probably AKMs (most likely Maadis) dressed up as AK-103s. The receivers look pretty worn...almost as though they've been in the armory's inventory for 25+ years. Although what MPM mentioned (built-up guns from parts kits) is also possible, the AK-103 resembles the AKM so closely externally (besides the furniture and flash hider) that vismoding the older gun seems like the easiest thing to do. I'll have to ask around and see if anyone knows who supplied the weapons for this show. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::The Gas block on these guns look a lot like the AK74 style, which is common on a lot of the recent AK rifles being sold in this country now (a lot were built on parts kits from Europe). The straight 90 degree down gas block style of the AK74 is seen on all manner of AKs nowadays. As a note, it's a pain in the butt to remove a gas block on an existing AK only to replace it with another style of gas block for a movie, and I doubt that the production will pay for the hassle, so they may be Title II converted European style AKS (with American receivers). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Are you sure your eye didn't slip? Those guns do not look to me like they have the AK-74-style gas block. And yes, some of them are definitely rubber castings of the live-fire weapons, which is I guess what we'd expect for a production with dozens/hundreds of extras who carry weapons. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

:::::AKMSU forearm looks like it might be a KAC AK RAS. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::::::: That's Quad-rail from KCI [http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/7889/2655074.jpg]

:::::::: This is cool, I hadn't heard about this remake until just now. One thing I noticed was that all these extras have good grip and trigger finger control... Except that guy with the carbine with the odd rails (all AKs with rails look weird to me), he's got his finger VERY on the trigger with with other hand OVER THE MUZZLE. Good job... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

==Fan Photos==

I have a few photos that show some of the weapons seen during the film's production, but they are all unofficial pictures taken by extras/bystanders on the film set. AFAIK there are no official set pictures that have been released, so would there be any problems if I post them?--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 02:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::Those are still unauthorized images. Any person can take pictures on sets. I had my camera confiscated from the set of [[Back to the Future Part II|BTTF2]], because there was a lock down on ANY unauthorized images that had not been cleared through the studio. So in answer to your question: I would say not. Also undercover fan pics tend to suck in quality. But posting links to them to aid us in identifying guns is okay. But I don't want ANY movie studio lawyer seeing IMFDB as a place which holds the image on their server (which is what happens when you upload a pic). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, parts of this movie were filmed in Royal Oak, MI, and I still have lots of college friends who live there. Lots of them took photos. Theoretically, let's say they were filming on their street, right in front of their house. If they stood on their front lawn, or just opened a window and snapped a photo, is it still an unauthorized image? It's one thing if you go to a set, but what happens when a set comes to you? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

:::In that case, Image:Red dawn photos 008.jpg in the main page should be removed because it is an unauthorized picture. I will also post some links on the talk page if anyone is interested. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 03:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Red dawn photos 008.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production still of extras posing as PLAGF soldiers armed with an unknown AKM variant.]]

Airsoft rifles guys, they just didn't bother to use the correct 5.45mm magazines.

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_91&products_id=1258

::::Oh, great, not the old "movies always use airsoft guns and CGI muzzle flashes" rumors again... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Who is the anonymous poster who wrote that? Also movies have and DO use Airsoft for non firing scenes, but I saw shaky, blurry, crappy bootleg video of a shootout and they were DEFINITELY rocking and rolling with blanks during one sequence. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I believe I've seen that footage, too. Those definitely aren't airsoft. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::::::I wish they kill these occupants in most brutal ways. Like burning, decapitating, riding over with a tank etc.
:::::::WTF? User:178.92.110.168, you been drinking too much coffee or popping pills or something? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Is this movie low budget or something? Because I can't find any trailers for it other than fake crap on youtube using PLA parade footage and GI Joe footage.
I can see why they'd use AK-103s though, the airsoft or dummy QBZ-95s are very expensive. Gotta give them credit, at least they used more asians than Last Airbender.
:::Are asians expensive too nowadays?

Actually these guys are wearing the latest PLA digital camo, that itself cannot be cheap, and they obviously done their research. Don't know why they got AKs...maybe it's suppose to represent Type-03 or something.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 21:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:They've AKs because Norinco guns, like the PLA's standard service rifle the QBZ-95, can't be imported into the United States. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:32, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

To the guy who posted below the pic, you can't put an airsoft 7.62 magazine in an airsoft 5.45 AK any more than you could with a real one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Regarding some other pics of the vehicles that are supposedly going to be in the movie, are they at least based on Chinese vehicles or just US Army vehicles with the Chinese flag painted on them?
[[User:BigD|BigD]] 18:09, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

The Hummer H1's could be a stand-in for the Brave Warrior, which is basically a knockoff of the H1. Try wrapping that around your head --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

With airsoft, you can stick the 7.62 mags in a 5.45 gun and vice versa. looks od, but still works fine--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 23:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

China has its own version of the HMMWV, look up the Dongfeng EQ2050-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 03:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if the knowledgeable American's gonna know that the EQ2050 is a bona-fied LICENSED clone instead of bashing it as a knock-off? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 02:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Are those AK-74M's.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]] 11:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
:No, they're AKMs with black plastic furniture. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:48, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

== Remaking a great movie is a bad idea ==

Why is Hollywood making remakes of all the good movies? What's next? A remake of "Apocalypse Now"? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 04:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's debatable whether Red Dawn is really a great movie, so a better question might be why a movie that is so reflective of a particular era and its cultural landscape was remade when perceptions and fears about the world have changed. Regardless, I am still interested in seeing how this film turns out, if it ever gets a theatrical release. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 05:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. It seems like 80's movie are always difficult to remake. Movies like Ferris Bueller, Teen Wolf, and Weird Science simply cannot work now. The same applies to horror movies.
I'm gonna go see this movie, but my expectations ain't too high.
R.I.P Patrick Swayze.

I just know when a movie is going to suck and this is not looking good. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 17:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Of course it'll suck, the only trailers I've seen are mockups and fan photos. Was this even mentioned at this year's Comic-Con?

Actually, i thought the movie was pretty good, i was able to see a pre-release showing on base. A perk of being in the military, i guess. Plus they did keep it pretty true to the original story line [[User Rotncorpse]] 21:33 29 October

== Movie Release ==
The bad news, if you can call it that, is that the release of the flick may be delayed indefinitely. Since it seems MGM is in the midst of possible bankruptcy proceedings and since they are the parent studio of the makers of the movie it may be some time before it sees the light of day. If at all. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

http://www.themovieinsider.com/m4854/red-dawn/
:There are two shots of armored vehicles on that site. One looks like a fake M1 Abrams, and the other is some Red Chinese armored car. The M1 looks like it might be the same fake M1 from Courage Under Fire, or at least is also based on the Centurion. (Notice the number of wheels, and the gap between the second and third wheels.) As for the armored car, I have no idea, although the turret looks really fake. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

[http://i0.tmi.tc/images/p/600/13498.jpg]

[http://i0.tmi.tc/images/p/600/13497.jpg]

The Abrams is definitly a fake. However, it looks more like it is based on a Cheiftain chassis, mainly due to the curvature of the front hull/glassis plate, the placement of the six roadwheels, and the height of it. The armoured car...your guess is as good as mine, because unlike the Abrams, this isn't a former peice of Brit kit reconditioned.
:Now that you mention it, yes, I agree. The Chieftain has the same gap between the second and third wheels, and the Chieftain turret is flatter as well, which would make it easier to adapt into an Abrams. But I had always heard that Chieftains were a pain in the butt mechanically, and you'd think productions would prefer something that was easier and thus cheaper to maintain over something that looked more right for the part. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 18:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, the "Abrams" is actually a modified Centurion tank, one of several ex-Australian examples which were originally created for use in ''[[Courage Under Fire]]''. The armored car is made by General Purpose Vehicles of Michigan (who usually build armored vehicles for law enforcement use) and is only lightly modified with the addition of a turret. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 23:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Don't think it's a Centurion, the drive sprockets look wrong. Also notice the fake Abrams fume extractor is mounted way too far forward on the gun; they'd only need to do that if they had to hide the fume extractor of the Chieftain's gun, which is there. Looking at images from Courage Under Fire, those fake Abrams mount theirs roughly where it should be on an Abrams, nearer to the tank than to the muzzle. Look here: [http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2243 link] and you can see the drive sprocket on the Courage Under Fire tank is almost the same size as one of the roadwheels, much bigger than the one on the pictured fake Abrams. It's almost certainly a Chieftain. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 08:00, 27 March 2011 (CDT)

Man, I would have thought you guys would have been cheesed more that the movie may not see the light of day any time soon!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:I have to admit I'm not terribly excited by this movie. I'm against remakes in general, I really can't understand how you can remake Red Dawn, considering the Cold War has been over for about twenty years now. Back in the eighties, the Soviets were waist deep in Afghanistan, we were slinging Olympic boycotts back and forth, and the president actually referred to them as the Evil Empire. To the kids growing up back then, the Soviets WERE evil. They oppressed the freedom loving mujahadeen of Afghanistan, they shot down our airliners, they teamed up with the Iron Sheik against Hulk Hogan, they held our POWS in Vietnam, and dammit, they killed Apollo Creed (IT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXHIBITION! THROW THE GODDAMN TOWEL!) And that was just the eighties. The Berlin Airlift, Korea, Vietnam, Prague Spring, the Cuban missile crisis, Khrushchev promising to bury us, duck and cover drills, those were just chapters in our history books. Now, I'm the last man to defend Red China (the fact that I still refer to them as Red China should tell you something.) But let's face it, what's the worst thing they've done to us? Cheat in women's gymnastics? Sell us lead-laden toys? Give the Houston Rockets false hope? They downed one of our planes, sure, but the only person who actually died was one of their guys. Tiananmen square was twenty years ago, and they've been oppressing Tibet since before anyone here was born. They need us and we need them. Like it or not, we are economically dependent on them, and they are on us. As much as I'd like to see American troops roll into Beijing and tear down that red flag, war makes absolutely no sense, from an economic, political, or security standpoint. The only ally that they're threatening is Taiwan, and we're such a good ally, we won't even recognize them as a country. In summary, the perceived threat of a Soviet invasion was real, as Soviet aggression was real. Our government and the media, backed with forty years of history, fed our hysteria over the Soviet Union. There's no perceived threat from Red China. That same government and media are bending over backwards to accommodate the reds. They might as well remade Red Dawn with us being invaded by Belgium. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Coincidentally, I ran across this article today. Apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way. Twenty years after the Cold War ended, Russians are still the boogeymen! [http://kotaku.com/5616543/americans-get-russia-fighting-the-us] --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 14:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::Um...tell us how you really feel?!?--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I would've been excited if the remake was still set in the 80's, and all the politics were the same. You can update the cast, crew, film technology, but you can't update the politics. Another film that can't be remade today: The Day After. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 00:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::You know, to be fair, the last Jack Ryan book by Tom Clancy did have China as the main military villain with a credible nuclear threat. Granted the possibility of a Chinese/Russian alliance is slim to none but the original movie was a stretch in and of itself --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well, Clancy also had a novel that had us going to war with Japan, so yeah. The original was a stretch, but the threat of Central America falling to the reds was very real back then, or at least we were made to believe it was. Whether is was truly realistic or not is not relevant, it was our believe that it was realistic that counted, and it's that culture of fear and antagonism that can't be reproduced by replacing the Soviets with Red China. Not only would a remake set in the 80's work better, I think it would be more popular. There's a lot of 80's nostalgia. I think people would rather relive the good old days rather than face the fact that the Red Chinese are a power to be reckoned with. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 01:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::::::The problem with that though is the Chinese were not as big a threat in the 80s as they are today. Their military was less advanced then, as was their economy, and we still had our massive Cold War arsenel. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:::::::No, I meant using the Soviet Union of the eighties rather than the Red Chinese of today. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, nevermind. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:::Well having been a teenager in the 80's (born 1968) and enlisting the first time in 86 (when the Soviets seemed like or were still a very real threat to the U.S.A.) I have to admit that I miss the old U.S.S.R. Hell I and many others were actually happy in the late 70's and early 80's when the U.S. and Red China began to have a thaw in their relationship. Gave us a nice counterweight to the Soviets. Anybody remember that? sure there was that whole nuclear armageddon hangin over our heads, but now I realize that there was more clarity in the world. Now it's just a fucking muddled mess. Oh well. I'm going to watch my Chinese made television. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I was born in the Soviet Union in 1969. In 1970-80 years it was impossible - the production in the USSR the film about how the U.S. attacked us. A man who would propose to make such a film would be called simply an idiot. And in years when the authorities Khrushchev or Stalin, the man who proposed to make such film is simply put into prison. I think that the Soviet government feared the U.S. more than the U.S. feared the Soviet Union. But even the Communists did not humiliate himself in front of their own people so stupid movies.
And what we have now? Russian men 20 years ago gave a kick the communists ass (which, I remind you, did not create a crappy movie about the Americans).
But it turns out that our country is in the minds of Americans remain almost the same threat as before (at least - in the minds of the creators of Red Dawn 2, as well as those people on whom it is targeted). What idiot came up with a scenario in which Russia may team up with China against the United States? What idiot did not spare the money to create this wretched film? We have only one common enemy - it is Islamic terrorism. Just do not need to shit in the peoples heads in the 21 century… I apologize for my bad English [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 16:55, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

== Movie Release Update ==
Was just checking out a web site for movie trailers and the release date for this is now listed as April 2011. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 14:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

So the title should be changed to 2011 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

:Agreed. Even the IMDB page now refers to it as Red Dawn (2011). --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 06:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== First Cast Photo Released ==
[[Image:Red_Dawn_2011.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The new Wolverines in a promotional image from Red Dawn (2011).]]

I wish I had that kind of trigger discipline in high school. On other notes, it looks like they're using the generic airsoft AKs that the Chinese extras are using, and who the hell is that third female? --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 18:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
::The girl on the left is Julie, who is played by Alyssa Diaz. It also looks as though Chris Hemsworth is holding an AKMSU and Josh Hutcherson (kneeling on the right) is holding a M249 SAW. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 23:47, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey! It's the rejects from the cast auditions for Firefly! Hughjefender.

Really? Is that Josh Peck standing next to the blond?-[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

== Bad guys now North Korean ==

Apparently MGM is changing the bad guys in this film to North Korean rather than Chinese, so as to not miss out on the Chinese market. Apparently they need to change the opening voice over, two scenes and CG Korean logos over the Chinese on the vehicles. [http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=75300]
What is the main infantry weapon of the North Korean army, is it an AK-74 copy? If so, then this change actually makes the weapons used make slightly more sense, albeit accidentally. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:01, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

It's actually more funny that Homefront had the same idea. So people who don't want to do research would wonder is Homefront a game adaption of the remake. The Homefront developers early on stated they didn't think China is "that scary" at all and they picked a more modern and powerful Korean military and they don't even us AKs. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:32, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

I can only imagine the pain in the ass that the writers of the remake now have to do to change this all up. And now the special effects guys have to digitally erase all references and symbolism to China and re-paint over with North Korean symbolism (And the end result will look like crap because the original enemy was the Chinese, and now all the Chinese actors that they got for the filming process won't even match the modified North Korean symbols). But if you ask me, I think they need to drop this project right now, and put it off for a later release date to fix up these new changes a little bit more. Especially since the studios are so eager to change everything from Chinese to North Korean just to be "politically correct" and to not offend China since they are a "trading partner" to the United States...

Movie studios have no backbone these days. Seriously MGM, STOP this project now, put it off for a later release date, and fix it up a little so that way it doesn't look like crap in the long run, and show us all that you can do the original Red Dawn justice with this remake. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 19:04, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

:''Especially since the studios are so eager to change everything from Chinese to North Korean just to be "politically correct" and to not offend China since they are a "trading partner" to the United States...''

:From what I have heard, "political correctness" had nothing to do with the decision. It was simply because China is now one of the major market places for American cinema, and obviously, releasing a movie with the Chinese as the bad guys isn't going to go over well in that market. Although I read a blog post by somebody who pointed out that if MGM had just added a new ending in which the Chinese ''won'' (and maybe some scenes that made the PLA look less "bad"), that would have been a huge hit in China.
::I doubt Red Dawn was ever planned to be released in China, since their government has a strict quota on the amount of Hollywood movies that get released each year. MGM and Sony (the distributor) were probably more concerned that the Chinese government would respond to their portrayal in Red Dawn by not allowing one of their major money makers like Bond 23 to be released there. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:11, 26 March 2011 (CDT)

:::Chances are that this film and Bond 23 will never see the light of day until MGM fixes their financial issues (If they haven't already). --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:51, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:''What is the main infantry weapon of the North Korean army, is it an AK-74 copy? If so, then this change actually makes the weapons used make slightly more sense, albeit accidentally.''

:The North Korean defense industry manufactures AK-47 (Type 58), AKM (Type 68), and AK-74 (Type 88) clones. All of them are in the KPA inventory and remain in use with different units. Of course, the fact that the North Koreans still have such outdated weapons in inventory should demonstrate how unlikely they are to be able to invade the U.S., but I guess that's another story. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:10, 26 March 2011 (CDT)

::Far as I can tell, just invading the US, to say nothing of conducting an occupation, would be practically impossible. Aside from their nuclear weapons, the majority of the military hardware fielded by the DPRK is obsolete and defunct Cold War-era hardware that would be completely outclassed by that used by the US. Furthermore, you're talking about occupying country several times their own size on the other side of the world's largest ocean, which would be a significant logistical hinderance. In short, North Korea attempting an invasion and occupation in the US would be a fool's errand at best, and utter suicide at worst. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:56, 27 March 2011 (CDT)

:::Yep, exactly, I agree 100%. The DPRK invading the U.S. would be impossible. Actually, due to the United States' geography and power projection abilities (mostly due to its Navy), ''nobody'' (including China and Russia) can invade us. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:13, 27 March 2011 (CDT)

::::Unless the North Koreans were to try and make their way though Alaska and Canada like how the Soviet Union did in the original Red Dawn. But even then, that's a bit of a stretch since Alaska is home to many U.S. Air Force and Air National Guard bases, other assorted military bases for the Army, Navy, Marines and Coast Guard (I'm assuming), and nearly everybody in the state owns a gun for either sporting purposes, self-defense, collecting purposes, or hunting. So I guess that probably couldn't be a good idea... Unless North Korea is supported by other nations allied to them like how the Soviet Union had several other allies helping them in the original Red Dawn... Or like how in the videogame [[Homefront]] where they had the backing of Japan and the Southeast Asian community... I don't know, I'm over-thinking this subject way too much... Anyone else want to weigh in on this topic? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:51, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

Initially I was excited about this movie, but now I think they need to just put the nail in the coffin now and cancel it. I did run upon a magazine website that got an advance screening of the original version with China as the enemy, which I figure some of you might be interested in reading (it does have spoilers, so beware). [http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/exclusive-libertas-sees-the-uncensored-version-of-mgms-new-red-dawn/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:20, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

== Invaders ==

They were Russian, then it was Chinese, then it was Chinese and Russian, now it's North Korean? WTF? Was that done because of Homefront? No wonder this movie is taking so long to come out. They keep changing the script. It also has Josh Peck, that pretty much killed my chances of wanting to see it.--Gunner5
:The reason it has been delayed is not because of the changes but because of MGM's financial situation. The invaders are an Asian coalition, but the changes were to make North Korea the leaders of it rather than China, and to push them into the background. The changes were done after shooting was finished, and all that was required was the rerecording of an intro sequence, a bit of editing and CG-ing the emblems on vehicle from Chines to North Korean. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:57, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
::Even then, the original plot of China invading to "liberate" us from our "corrupt" leaders and economic crisis, was far more interesting and identifiable for me. I doubt it would have been as good as the original, but it sounded like a good movie. Now I can't even take it seriously anymore. At least China is a legit military power with a blue water navy, unlike North Korea. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:50, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

== Well...Hopefully..Finally...Maybe ==
Saw this, hope it means it will finally hit the theaters.

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1070010/red_dawn_remake_finally_set_for_release.html

--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:21, 27 September 2011 (CDT)
:Well it's about time! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:51, 29 September 2011 (CDT)
:::http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1143265/red_dawn_remake_finally_has_release_date.html--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 19:54, 29 November 2011 (CST)

Talk:Red Dawn (2012)

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Rotncorpse: /* Remaking a great movie is a bad idea */

WTH? Did a 3 year old write this page?
:::Well the median age of the average IMFDB user is getting lower all the time ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::I think it would be more advisable to wait until a teaser or official set photos emerge before creating this page. After all, the release date is more than nine months away. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

::::I fixed the page's spelling and grammar issues.

==AK as seen in promo pic==
Is that an AKM with black synthetic furniture? Should I take an inventory Movie AKM and put black AK74 style furniture on it and photograph it for this page? Or is the gun something else? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

:Please do.-protoAuthor 01:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

:I think it may be something else. It may be something in the AK 100 series or some other varient. We need a better look at the weapons in question.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 01:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::Can American armorers actually get AK-103s? I didn't think they could without difficulty. If I had to guess, the weapons in this movie are probably AKMs with synthetic furniture and AK-74 flash hiders. There was another picture posted on the forum which showed the guns more clearly, and they had the ribbed receiver covers (AK-103s come from the factory with smooth). Plus, why would armorers go to the trouble of getting AK-103s? Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to just vismod AKMs? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::It's more cost effective to modify existing (and registered pre-86) AKMs with AK-103 parts kits ;) Doesn't mean *I* will do it, because it's a lot of work for no current reason, but I can't see a reason why others would not be able to do so. It does NOT look like a 103 but then I have not seen better pics from the production. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC) (correction) Title II manufacturers (Like CW) can build their own from the numerous AK receivers being built in this country and complete it with Parts kits. Again, I have no definitive indications of what these are, but there are tons of new types of AKs being imported (now only European style guns), which is a BIG change from the 1980s when there were only Chinese guns. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::::Here are a few pictures of the rifles for ID(more than likely, these are non-firing props since the muzzle brakes and front sight appear to be filled in):
:::::Those are DEFINITELY resin/rubber castings of AKMS with synthetic furniture and AK74 style muzzle brakes. BTW: those young Asian American Airsofter Extras who look kinda young compared to the hardened look of real PLA soldiers (hahaha) are wearing fake PLA CAMO that looks REALLY GOOD! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::http://img163.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=81311432742685146627835.jpg
::::Also, an AKMSU with an interesting forearm:
::::http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3010/reddawnset4.jpg

:::::I think those are probably AKMs (most likely Maadis) dressed up as AK-103s. The receivers look pretty worn...almost as though they've been in the armory's inventory for 25+ years. Although what MPM mentioned (built-up guns from parts kits) is also possible, the AK-103 resembles the AKM so closely externally (besides the furniture and flash hider) that vismoding the older gun seems like the easiest thing to do. I'll have to ask around and see if anyone knows who supplied the weapons for this show. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::The Gas block on these guns look a lot like the AK74 style, which is common on a lot of the recent AK rifles being sold in this country now (a lot were built on parts kits from Europe). The straight 90 degree down gas block style of the AK74 is seen on all manner of AKs nowadays. As a note, it's a pain in the butt to remove a gas block on an existing AK only to replace it with another style of gas block for a movie, and I doubt that the production will pay for the hassle, so they may be Title II converted European style AKS (with American receivers). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Are you sure your eye didn't slip? Those guns do not look to me like they have the AK-74-style gas block. And yes, some of them are definitely rubber castings of the live-fire weapons, which is I guess what we'd expect for a production with dozens/hundreds of extras who carry weapons. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

:::::AKMSU forearm looks like it might be a KAC AK RAS. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::::::: That's Quad-rail from KCI [http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/7889/2655074.jpg]

:::::::: This is cool, I hadn't heard about this remake until just now. One thing I noticed was that all these extras have good grip and trigger finger control... Except that guy with the carbine with the odd rails (all AKs with rails look weird to me), he's got his finger VERY on the trigger with with other hand OVER THE MUZZLE. Good job... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

==Fan Photos==

I have a few photos that show some of the weapons seen during the film's production, but they are all unofficial pictures taken by extras/bystanders on the film set. AFAIK there are no official set pictures that have been released, so would there be any problems if I post them?--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 02:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::Those are still unauthorized images. Any person can take pictures on sets. I had my camera confiscated from the set of [[Back to the Future Part II|BTTF2]], because there was a lock down on ANY unauthorized images that had not been cleared through the studio. So in answer to your question: I would say not. Also undercover fan pics tend to suck in quality. But posting links to them to aid us in identifying guns is okay. But I don't want ANY movie studio lawyer seeing IMFDB as a place which holds the image on their server (which is what happens when you upload a pic). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, parts of this movie were filmed in Royal Oak, MI, and I still have lots of college friends who live there. Lots of them took photos. Theoretically, let's say they were filming on their street, right in front of their house. If they stood on their front lawn, or just opened a window and snapped a photo, is it still an unauthorized image? It's one thing if you go to a set, but what happens when a set comes to you? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

:::In that case, Image:Red dawn photos 008.jpg in the main page should be removed because it is an unauthorized picture. I will also post some links on the talk page if anyone is interested. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 03:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Red dawn photos 008.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production still of extras posing as PLAGF soldiers armed with an unknown AKM variant.]]

Airsoft rifles guys, they just didn't bother to use the correct 5.45mm magazines.

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_91&products_id=1258

::::Oh, great, not the old "movies always use airsoft guns and CGI muzzle flashes" rumors again... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Who is the anonymous poster who wrote that? Also movies have and DO use Airsoft for non firing scenes, but I saw shaky, blurry, crappy bootleg video of a shootout and they were DEFINITELY rocking and rolling with blanks during one sequence. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I believe I've seen that footage, too. Those definitely aren't airsoft. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

::::::I wish they kill these occupants in most brutal ways. Like burning, decapitating, riding over with a tank etc.
:::::::WTF? User:178.92.110.168, you been drinking too much coffee or popping pills or something? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Is this movie low budget or something? Because I can't find any trailers for it other than fake crap on youtube using PLA parade footage and GI Joe footage.
I can see why they'd use AK-103s though, the airsoft or dummy QBZ-95s are very expensive. Gotta give them credit, at least they used more asians than Last Airbender.
:::Are asians expensive too nowadays?

Actually these guys are wearing the latest PLA digital camo, that itself cannot be cheap, and they obviously done their research. Don't know why they got AKs...maybe it's suppose to represent Type-03 or something.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 21:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:They've AKs because Norinco guns, like the PLA's standard service rifle the QBZ-95, can't be imported into the United States. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:32, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

To the guy who posted below the pic, you can't put an airsoft 7.62 magazine in an airsoft 5.45 AK any more than you could with a real one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Regarding some other pics of the vehicles that are supposedly going to be in the movie, are they at least based on Chinese vehicles or just US Army vehicles with the Chinese flag painted on them?
[[User:BigD|BigD]] 18:09, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

The Hummer H1's could be a stand-in for the Brave Warrior, which is basically a knockoff of the H1. Try wrapping that around your head --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

With airsoft, you can stick the 7.62 mags in a 5.45 gun and vice versa. looks od, but still works fine--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 23:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

China has its own version of the HMMWV, look up the Dongfeng EQ2050-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 03:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if the knowledgeable American's gonna know that the EQ2050 is a bona-fied LICENSED clone instead of bashing it as a knock-off? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 02:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Are those AK-74M's.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]] 11:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
:No, they're AKMs with black plastic furniture. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:48, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

== Remaking a great movie is a bad idea ==

Why is Hollywood making remakes of all the good movies? What's next? A remake of "Apocalypse Now"? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 04:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's debatable whether Red Dawn is really a great movie, so a better question might be why a movie that is so reflective of a particular era and its cultural landscape was remade when perceptions and fears about the world have changed. Regardless, I am still interested in seeing how this film turns out, if it ever gets a theatrical release. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 05:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. It seems like 80's movie are always difficult to remake. Movies like Ferris Bueller, Teen Wolf, and Weird Science simply cannot work now. The same applies to horror movies.
I'm gonna go see this movie, but my expectations ain't too high.
R.I.P Patrick Swayze.

I just know when a movie is going to suck and this is not looking good. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 17:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Of course it'll suck, the only trailers I've seen are mockups and fan photos. Was this even mentioned at this year's Comic-Con?

Actually, i thought the movie was pretty good, i was able to see a pre-release showing on base. A perk of being in the military, i guess. Plus they did keep it pretty true to the original story line

== Movie Release ==
The bad news, if you can call it that, is that the release of the flick may be delayed indefinitely. Since it seems MGM is in the midst of possible bankruptcy proceedings and since they are the parent studio of the makers of the movie it may be some time before it sees the light of day. If at all. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

http://www.themovieinsider.com/m4854/red-dawn/
:There are two shots of armored vehicles on that site. One looks like a fake M1 Abrams, and the other is some Red Chinese armored car. The M1 looks like it might be the same fake M1 from Courage Under Fire, or at least is also based on the Centurion. (Notice the number of wheels, and the gap between the second and third wheels.) As for the armored car, I have no idea, although the turret looks really fake. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

[http://i0.tmi.tc/images/p/600/13498.jpg]

[http://i0.tmi.tc/images/p/600/13497.jpg]

The Abrams is definitly a fake. However, it looks more like it is based on a Cheiftain chassis, mainly due to the curvature of the front hull/glassis plate, the placement of the six roadwheels, and the height of it. The armoured car...your guess is as good as mine, because unlike the Abrams, this isn't a former peice of Brit kit reconditioned.
:Now that you mention it, yes, I agree. The Chieftain has the same gap between the second and third wheels, and the Chieftain turret is flatter as well, which would make it easier to adapt into an Abrams. But I had always heard that Chieftains were a pain in the butt mechanically, and you'd think productions would prefer something that was easier and thus cheaper to maintain over something that looked more right for the part. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 18:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, the "Abrams" is actually a modified Centurion tank, one of several ex-Australian examples which were originally created for use in ''[[Courage Under Fire]]''. The armored car is made by General Purpose Vehicles of Michigan (who usually build armored vehicles for law enforcement use) and is only lightly modified with the addition of a turret. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 23:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Don't think it's a Centurion, the drive sprockets look wrong. Also notice the fake Abrams fume extractor is mounted way too far forward on the gun; they'd only need to do that if they had to hide the fume extractor of the Chieftain's gun, which is there. Looking at images from Courage Under Fire, those fake Abrams mount theirs roughly where it should be on an Abrams, nearer to the tank than to the muzzle. Look here: [http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2243 link] and you can see the drive sprocket on the Courage Under Fire tank is almost the same size as one of the roadwheels, much bigger than the one on the pictured fake Abrams. It's almost certainly a Chieftain. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 08:00, 27 March 2011 (CDT)

Man, I would have thought you guys would have been cheesed more that the movie may not see the light of day any time soon!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:I have to admit I'm not terribly excited by this movie. I'm against remakes in general, I really can't understand how you can remake Red Dawn, considering the Cold War has been over for about twenty years now. Back in the eighties, the Soviets were waist deep in Afghanistan, we were slinging Olympic boycotts back and forth, and the president actually referred to them as the Evil Empire. To the kids growing up back then, the Soviets WERE evil. They oppressed the freedom loving mujahadeen of Afghanistan, they shot down our airliners, they teamed up with the Iron Sheik against Hulk Hogan, they held our POWS in Vietnam, and dammit, they killed Apollo Creed (IT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXHIBITION! THROW THE GODDAMN TOWEL!) And that was just the eighties. The Berlin Airlift, Korea, Vietnam, Prague Spring, the Cuban missile crisis, Khrushchev promising to bury us, duck and cover drills, those were just chapters in our history books. Now, I'm the last man to defend Red China (the fact that I still refer to them as Red China should tell you something.) But let's face it, what's the worst thing they've done to us? Cheat in women's gymnastics? Sell us lead-laden toys? Give the Houston Rockets false hope? They downed one of our planes, sure, but the only person who actually died was one of their guys. Tiananmen square was twenty years ago, and they've been oppressing Tibet since before anyone here was born. They need us and we need them. Like it or not, we are economically dependent on them, and they are on us. As much as I'd like to see American troops roll into Beijing and tear down that red flag, war makes absolutely no sense, from an economic, political, or security standpoint. The only ally that they're threatening is Taiwan, and we're such a good ally, we won't even recognize them as a country. In summary, the perceived threat of a Soviet invasion was real, as Soviet aggression was real. Our government and the media, backed with forty years of history, fed our hysteria over the Soviet Union. There's no perceived threat from Red China. That same government and media are bending over backwards to accommodate the reds. They might as well remade Red Dawn with us being invaded by Belgium. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Coincidentally, I ran across this article today. Apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way. Twenty years after the Cold War ended, Russians are still the boogeymen! [http://kotaku.com/5616543/americans-get-russia-fighting-the-us] --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 14:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::Um...tell us how you really feel?!?--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I would've been excited if the remake was still set in the 80's, and all the politics were the same. You can update the cast, crew, film technology, but you can't update the politics. Another film that can't be remade today: The Day After. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 00:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::You know, to be fair, the last Jack Ryan book by Tom Clancy did have China as the main military villain with a credible nuclear threat. Granted the possibility of a Chinese/Russian alliance is slim to none but the original movie was a stretch in and of itself --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well, Clancy also had a novel that had us going to war with Japan, so yeah. The original was a stretch, but the threat of Central America falling to the reds was very real back then, or at least we were made to believe it was. Whether is was truly realistic or not is not relevant, it was our believe that it was realistic that counted, and it's that culture of fear and antagonism that can't be reproduced by replacing the Soviets with Red China. Not only would a remake set in the 80's work better, I think it would be more popular. There's a lot of 80's nostalgia. I think people would rather relive the good old days rather than face the fact that the Red Chinese are a power to be reckoned with. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 01:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::::::The problem with that though is the Chinese were not as big a threat in the 80s as they are today. Their military was less advanced then, as was their economy, and we still had our massive Cold War arsenel. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:::::::No, I meant using the Soviet Union of the eighties rather than the Red Chinese of today. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, nevermind. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:::Well having been a teenager in the 80's (born 1968) and enlisting the first time in 86 (when the Soviets seemed like or were still a very real threat to the U.S.A.) I have to admit that I miss the old U.S.S.R. Hell I and many others were actually happy in the late 70's and early 80's when the U.S. and Red China began to have a thaw in their relationship. Gave us a nice counterweight to the Soviets. Anybody remember that? sure there was that whole nuclear armageddon hangin over our heads, but now I realize that there was more clarity in the world. Now it's just a fucking muddled mess. Oh well. I'm going to watch my Chinese made television. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I was born in the Soviet Union in 1969. In 1970-80 years it was impossible - the production in the USSR the film about how the U.S. attacked us. A man who would propose to make such a film would be called simply an idiot. And in years when the authorities Khrushchev or Stalin, the man who proposed to make such film is simply put into prison. I think that the Soviet government feared the U.S. more than the U.S. feared the Soviet Union. But even the Communists did not humiliate himself in front of their own people so stupid movies.
And what we have now? Russian men 20 years ago gave a kick the communists ass (which, I remind you, did not create a crappy movie about the Americans).
But it turns out that our country is in the minds of Americans remain almost the same threat as before (at least - in the minds of the creators of Red Dawn 2, as well as those people on whom it is targeted). What idiot came up with a scenario in which Russia may team up with China against the United States? What idiot did not spare the money to create this wretched film? We have only one common enemy - it is Islamic terrorism. Just do not need to shit in the peoples heads in the 21 century… I apologize for my bad English [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 16:55, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

== Movie Release Update ==
Was just checking out a web site for movie trailers and the release date for this is now listed as April 2011. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 14:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

So the title should be changed to 2011 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

:Agreed. Even the IMDB page now refers to it as Red Dawn (2011). --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 06:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== First Cast Photo Released ==
[[Image:Red_Dawn_2011.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The new Wolverines in a promotional image from Red Dawn (2011).]]

I wish I had that kind of trigger discipline in high school. On other notes, it looks like they're using the generic airsoft AKs that the Chinese extras are using, and who the hell is that third female? --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 18:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
::The girl on the left is Julie, who is played by Alyssa Diaz. It also looks as though Chris Hemsworth is holding an AKMSU and Josh Hutcherson (kneeling on the right) is holding a M249 SAW. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 23:47, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey! It's the rejects from the cast auditions for Firefly! Hughjefender.

Really? Is that Josh Peck standing next to the blond?-[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

== Bad guys now North Korean ==

Apparently MGM is changing the bad guys in this film to North Korean rather than Chinese, so as to not miss out on the Chinese market. Apparently they need to change the opening voice over, two scenes and CG Korean logos over the Chinese on the vehicles. [http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=75300]
What is the main infantry weapon of the North Korean army, is it an AK-74 copy? If so, then this change actually makes the weapons used make slightly more sense, albeit accidentally. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:01, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

It's actually more funny that Homefront had the same idea. So people who don't want to do research would wonder is Homefront a game adaption of the remake. The Homefront developers early on stated they didn't think China is "that scary" at all and they picked a more modern and powerful Korean military and they don't even us AKs. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:32, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

I can only imagine the pain in the ass that the writers of the remake now have to do to change this all up. And now the special effects guys have to digitally erase all references and symbolism to China and re-paint over with North Korean symbolism (And the end result will look like crap because the original enemy was the Chinese, and now all the Chinese actors that they got for the filming process won't even match the modified North Korean symbols). But if you ask me, I think they need to drop this project right now, and put it off for a later release date to fix up these new changes a little bit more. Especially since the studios are so eager to change everything from Chinese to North Korean just to be "politically correct" and to not offend China since they are a "trading partner" to the United States...

Movie studios have no backbone these days. Seriously MGM, STOP this project now, put it off for a later release date, and fix it up a little so that way it doesn't look like crap in the long run, and show us all that you can do the original Red Dawn justice with this remake. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 19:04, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

:''Especially since the studios are so eager to change everything from Chinese to North Korean just to be "politically correct" and to not offend China since they are a "trading partner" to the United States...''

:From what I have heard, "political correctness" had nothing to do with the decision. It was simply because China is now one of the major market places for American cinema, and obviously, releasing a movie with the Chinese as the bad guys isn't going to go over well in that market. Although I read a blog post by somebody who pointed out that if MGM had just added a new ending in which the Chinese ''won'' (and maybe some scenes that made the PLA look less "bad"), that would have been a huge hit in China.
::I doubt Red Dawn was ever planned to be released in China, since their government has a strict quota on the amount of Hollywood movies that get released each year. MGM and Sony (the distributor) were probably more concerned that the Chinese government would respond to their portrayal in Red Dawn by not allowing one of their major money makers like Bond 23 to be released there. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:11, 26 March 2011 (CDT)

:::Chances are that this film and Bond 23 will never see the light of day until MGM fixes their financial issues (If they haven't already). --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:51, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:''What is the main infantry weapon of the North Korean army, is it an AK-74 copy? If so, then this change actually makes the weapons used make slightly more sense, albeit accidentally.''

:The North Korean defense industry manufactures AK-47 (Type 58), AKM (Type 68), and AK-74 (Type 88) clones. All of them are in the KPA inventory and remain in use with different units. Of course, the fact that the North Koreans still have such outdated weapons in inventory should demonstrate how unlikely they are to be able to invade the U.S., but I guess that's another story. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:10, 26 March 2011 (CDT)

::Far as I can tell, just invading the US, to say nothing of conducting an occupation, would be practically impossible. Aside from their nuclear weapons, the majority of the military hardware fielded by the DPRK is obsolete and defunct Cold War-era hardware that would be completely outclassed by that used by the US. Furthermore, you're talking about occupying country several times their own size on the other side of the world's largest ocean, which would be a significant logistical hinderance. In short, North Korea attempting an invasion and occupation in the US would be a fool's errand at best, and utter suicide at worst. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:56, 27 March 2011 (CDT)

:::Yep, exactly, I agree 100%. The DPRK invading the U.S. would be impossible. Actually, due to the United States' geography and power projection abilities (mostly due to its Navy), ''nobody'' (including China and Russia) can invade us. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:13, 27 March 2011 (CDT)

::::Unless the North Koreans were to try and make their way though Alaska and Canada like how the Soviet Union did in the original Red Dawn. But even then, that's a bit of a stretch since Alaska is home to many U.S. Air Force and Air National Guard bases, other assorted military bases for the Army, Navy, Marines and Coast Guard (I'm assuming), and nearly everybody in the state owns a gun for either sporting purposes, self-defense, collecting purposes, or hunting. So I guess that probably couldn't be a good idea... Unless North Korea is supported by other nations allied to them like how the Soviet Union had several other allies helping them in the original Red Dawn... Or like how in the videogame [[Homefront]] where they had the backing of Japan and the Southeast Asian community... I don't know, I'm over-thinking this subject way too much... Anyone else want to weigh in on this topic? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:51, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

Initially I was excited about this movie, but now I think they need to just put the nail in the coffin now and cancel it. I did run upon a magazine website that got an advance screening of the original version with China as the enemy, which I figure some of you might be interested in reading (it does have spoilers, so beware). [http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/exclusive-libertas-sees-the-uncensored-version-of-mgms-new-red-dawn/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:20, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

== Invaders ==

They were Russian, then it was Chinese, then it was Chinese and Russian, now it's North Korean? WTF? Was that done because of Homefront? No wonder this movie is taking so long to come out. They keep changing the script. It also has Josh Peck, that pretty much killed my chances of wanting to see it.--Gunner5
:The reason it has been delayed is not because of the changes but because of MGM's financial situation. The invaders are an Asian coalition, but the changes were to make North Korea the leaders of it rather than China, and to push them into the background. The changes were done after shooting was finished, and all that was required was the rerecording of an intro sequence, a bit of editing and CG-ing the emblems on vehicle from Chines to North Korean. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:57, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
::Even then, the original plot of China invading to "liberate" us from our "corrupt" leaders and economic crisis, was far more interesting and identifiable for me. I doubt it would have been as good as the original, but it sounded like a good movie. Now I can't even take it seriously anymore. At least China is a legit military power with a blue water navy, unlike North Korea. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:50, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

== Well...Hopefully..Finally...Maybe ==
Saw this, hope it means it will finally hit the theaters.

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1070010/red_dawn_remake_finally_set_for_release.html

--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:21, 27 September 2011 (CDT)
:Well it's about time! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:51, 29 September 2011 (CDT)
:::http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1143265/red_dawn_remake_finally_has_release_date.html--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 19:54, 29 November 2011 (CST)