'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas'':'''
[[Image:Gta-SA-boxart.png|thumb|right|300px|''Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas'' (2004)]]
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== Pistols ==

=== Colt M1911A1 ===

This weapon was originally going to be a [[Glock 17]], but for some reason Rockstar forgot to render it as such. Instead they left in the old [[M1911A1]] render from [[Grand Theft Auto III|GTA III]] and [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City|Vice City]]. Called the "9mm" it is used by all members of the San Andreas Law Enforcement community, unrealistically, this weapon carries 17 rounds in a magazine (like the Glock it was supposed to be) and isn't very powerful. When the player reaches the "Hitman" skill level, he can wield two of these pistols. A suppressed version is also available for use in the game, it does more damage but uses a different ammunition type than the regular "9mm".

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:Pistol_3.png‎|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1]]

[[Image:Silenced sa.png|thumb|none|400px|Suppressed Colt M1911A1]]

[[File:Gta 9mm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents a 9mm]]
[[File:Gta silenced 9mm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents a Silenced 9mm]]

=== IMI/Magnum Desert Eagle ===

The [[Desert Eagle]] is more powerful than the pistol and silenced pistol. Catalina uses one in some levels involving her, and one of the Villains, Officer Eddie Pulaski ([[Chris Penn]]), carries one during the "High Noon" level. CJ is seen holding one after Officer Frank Tenpenny ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) is killed. Cesar Vialpando uses one in one level during the Los Santos riots. Sweet uses one during the riots, and the Grove Street gang members obtain these complete with a knife instead of the regular pistol if the player finds the 100 hidden tags.

[[Image:DesertEagle357Black.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Desert Eagle - .50AE]]

[[Image:Deagle_sa.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Desert Eagle]]

[[File:Gta desert eagle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents a Desert Eagle]]

== Shotguns ==

=== Ithaca 37 ===

The [[Ithaca 37]] is the basic shotgun carried by some cops, gang members and enemies in the game. Has a slow rate of fire, but is quite effective at CQC. CJ and Catalina use two of these weapons during the bank robbery level.

[[Image:IthacaExtMagTub.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ithaca Model 37 w/ extended magazine tube - 12 gauge]]

[[Image:Shotgun_vc.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Ithaca 37]]

[[File:Gta shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents a Shotgun]]

=== Sawn-off Double Barreled Shotgun ===

Called the "Sawn Off Shotgun" in the game, it is powerful, especially when CJ can begin to carry two of these weapons. But it's range is limited.

[[Image:Remington_SBS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Sawn-off Double Barreled Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

[[Image:Sawn-off sa.png|thumb|400px|none|Sawn-off Double Barreled Shotgun]]

[[File:Gta sawn off shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents a Sawn Off Shotgun]]

=== Franchi SPAS 12 ===

The [[Franchi SPAS-12]] is called the "Combat Shotgun", and is faster and more effective than the other shotguns. Officer Tenpenny holds one during the last mission of the game.

[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Franchi SPAS-12 with stock folded and butt-hook removed - 12 gauge]]

[[Image:Spas12 vc.png|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-12]]

[[File:Gta combat shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents a Combat Shotgun]]

== Sub-machine Guns ==

=== Intratec TEC-9 ===

[[TEC-9]]s are used by Grove Street gangbangers and assorted criminals in the game. Sweet, Ryder, and Big Smoke are seen using these weapons as well when doing drive-bys.

[[image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Tec9 vc.png|thumb|none|400px|Intratec TEC-9]]

[[File:Gta tec 9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents a Tec 9]]

=== IMI Micro Uzi ===

The [[Uzi]] appears in the game as the "Micro-SMG", and is used by some gang members. It is a lot more accurate and powerful than the TEC-9, and can be eventually be double-wielded like the TEC-9. It is always shown with jungle-style taped magazines. There's something odd about this weapon in the game, the gun is obviously an Uzi but the HUD icon shows a Mac-10/11.

[[File:MicroUziPistol02.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Micro Uzi with 20 round magazine - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Uzi sa.png|thumb|none|400px|Micro Uzi]]

[[File:Gta micro smg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents a Micro SMG]]

=== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ===

Called "SMG" in the game, it is very powerful and accurate for a submachine gun. The [[MP5A3]] is used by Russians and Mafia thugs alike, random gang members, FBI Agents, and the Grove Street gang members after the player has found the 100 tags. Some LSPD SWAT Officers are seen carrying them as well.

[[Image:MP5A3 StockCollapsed.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Mp5_vc.png|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]]‎

[[File:Gta smg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents an SMG]]

== Rifles ==

=== Norinco Type 56 ===

The [[Norinco Type 56]], as told by it's hooded front sights (which differs from that of the AK-47), is used by some enemies and gang members. A rusty old one is used by CJ during the "Reuniting the Families" level. Also worth noting is the fact that the gun is unrealistically 2/3 long as CJ is tall. Sweet uses it in two of the missions.
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm]]

[[Image:Ak47 sa.png|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56]]

[[File:Gta ak47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents the AK47]]

=== Colt Model 733 ===

Called the "M4" in the game, it is actually the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 733|Colt Model 733 Carbine]], which is distinguished by it's shortened barrel. The name is anachronistic, since the game is set in 1992; while early prototypes of the M4 existed as long ago as 1986, the weapon did not enter large-scale production until 1994. It is used by National Guard Soldiers in the game, and by some of Big Smoke's thugs when CJ attacks his crack fortress. It is more accurate and just as powerful as the Type 56, despite the actual weapon firing 5.56x45mm rounds, as compared to the Type 56s 7.62x39mm rounds (which are far more powerful yet the Type-56 shares the same ammo pool with the M733), and is depicted in-game with a very unrealistic 50-round magazine, whereas the actual weapon only holds 30. Note: The front sight is backwards.

[[Image:Colt_Model_733.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|Colt Model 733 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:M4 vc.png|thumb|400px|none|Colt Model 733]]

[[File:Gta m4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents the M4]]

=== Marlin Model 336 ===

Called the "Rifle" in game, the [[Marlin Model 336]] has no scope, but is very accurate and benefits from a certain zooming, provided in-game, similar to the zoom encountered when aiming with the M4 (Colt M733) and AK-47 (Norinco Type 56), although not as useful as the actual sniper rifle's scope. It is not used often by players as it is very slow-firing compared to other weapons.

[[Image:MarlinModel336C.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Marlin Model 336 - .30-30]]

[[Image:Hunting sa.png|thumb|none|400px|Marlin Model 336]]

[[File:Gta rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents the Rifle]]

=== Remington 700 ===

The [[Remington 700]] is simply called "Sniper Rifle" in the game. It's improvements over the "Rifle" are much higher damage and a sniper scope.

[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

[[Image:Sniper rifle.gif|thumb|none|400px|Remington 700]]

[[File:Gta sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The AmmuNation vender presents the Sniper Rifle]]

== Heavy Weapons ==

=== Hand Held GE M134 ===

The most powerful weapon in the game, this weapon is used 3 times by CJ:, first when protecting Zero's ([[David Cross]]) store from Berkley's planes, again while attacking the container ship in San Fierro Bay, and then again to take out two National Guard Hunter Helicopters in the "Up, Up, and Away" level. It can also be found in Mike Toreno's ([[James Woods]]) ranch house after the mission "Vertical Bird"

[[Image:Minigun 2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|'''Airsoft''' handheld M134 Minigun with 'Chainsaw grip' to handle the recoil force. This variant was seen in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]''. This is an airsoft version which retains the half-circle attachment point for the M60 foregrip from ''Predator''; the real T2 minigun did not have this - (fake) 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[Image:Minigun sa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M134 Minigun]]

=== RPG-7 ===

The [[RPG-7]] is the basic rocket launcher in the game, and CJ uses one several times in the game, notably in "Are You Going To San Fierro?" to shoot down a police chopper, and in "Toreno's Last Flight".

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|RPG-7 70mm]]

[[Image:Rl vc.png|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7]]

=== SA-7 Grail / FIM-92A Stinger ===

Called the "Heat Seeking Rocket Launcher" in the game, this weapon can lock onto enemy vehicles (including pedal bicycles), making this weapon more effective than the Rocket Launcher at shooting down helicopters.
Strangely, when it's on the ground it resembles an [[SA-7 Grail]], but when CJ picks it up it turns into an [[FIM-92A Stinger]].

[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FIM-92A Stinger, 70mm]]
[[Image:800px-SA-7.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SA-7 Grail]]
[[Image:Heatseek sa.png|thumb|none|400px|CJ's unrealistically short AA missile launcher. Note this is the "ground" model.]]

=== Flamethrower ===

A hand held flamethrower that scorches anyone in front of it. It has a medium-long range.

[[Image:Flame sa.png|thumb|none|400px|Flamethrower]]

=== Hughes M230 chain gun and AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank missile ===

San Andreas, like Vice City, features a version of the Hughes AH-64 Apache, known as the "Hunter." It has an M230 chain gun in a chin mount, and wing mounts containing eight AGM-114 Hellfire missiles in two packs of four, as well as two non-functional Hydra 70 rocket pods. It is used in a few missions during flying school. When all flying school missions are completed with gold medals, the Hunter spawns at Verdant Meadows Airfield. You can also use this for vigilante missions, althought these missions are called "Brown Thunder" instead (a spoof on the film, ''[[Blue Thunder]]'').

[[Image:Hughes-M230-Chain-Gun4.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Hughes M230 chain gun, 30mm.]]
[[Image:800px-Hunter.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hunter attack helicopter in GTA: San Andreas. A major difference from Vice City and VCS [and the real Apache] is the Hunter in SA is a single-seat helicopter.]]

== Other ==

=== Glock 17 ===

Not an in-game weapon, but the 1st generation [[Glock 17]] is seen in a few cutscenes from the movie "The Introduction" (a movie released shortly after the game, to explain what happened before CJ came back to Los Santos). It is used by Salvatore Leone ([[Frank Vincent]]) to threaten Ken Rosenberg ([[William Fichtner]]) and Officer Jimmy Hernandez to kill Officer Ralph Pendelbury. In the actual game, it is used by Officer Eddie Pulaski after CJ is taken by C.R.A.S.H. to the countryside, and by Mike Toreno when he first meets CJ.

The real Glock 17 uses a 17 round Magazine. The Glock's existence in certain cutscenes may explain why the M1911 skined '9mm Pistols' in the game have an unrealistic magazine capacity, as the game skins were changed from a Glock to an M1911 during development but the magazine capacity remained the same, as did some of the skins in certain cutscenes.

[[Image:Glock171stGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Glock 17 (1st Generation) - 9mm]]

[[Image:Glock sa.png|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17]]

=== IMI Uzi ===

In the final mission, "End of the Line", A statue of Big Smoke can be seen holding a shotgun and the [[Uzi]] submachine gun. The Uzi was replaced before it's release along with the early appearance for Big Smoke.

[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

[[Image:Uzi_vcs.png|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi]]
[[File:Beta gta uzi.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Beta image of Grove St. gang members with Uzis]]

=== Colt Python ===

The [[Colt Python]] from [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City]] has been rescaled and appears as a Sign above the Ammunation Shop in Los Santos.

[[Image:Pythstainless6.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] Stainless Steel variant with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]

[[Image:357_vc.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Colt Python]]

=== Guns inside AmmuNation ===

Guns on the shelves/racks in AmmuNation are: IMI Galil, FAMAS, H&K G3A3, Izhmash AK-47, H&K MP5K, Steyr AUG, Tommy Gun, IMI Uzi, Intratec DC-9, various versions of the Calico series of machine pistols, Walther MPL, Spectre M4, Colt Model 733, and various revolvers.

[[Image:Ammu-Nation_weapon_rack.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

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Talk:Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

2011-12-01T18:51:53Z

RadiumMetal: /* Complaint from Weapon Companies to Rockstar Games */

its funny how all the submachine guns and pistols in this game are chrome.
:Its the 1980s Man!Back then everything was chromed.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]]
::They don't make em like that anymore...lol

Haha that is so true mate - I though I was the only one to notice that inaccuracy and get pissed by it. Funny how that also continued to SA, which is set in 1992. BTW, in reality, I highly doubt they make chrome MP5s! [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 14:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== The Eagle ==
:Is that really the model used in game?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::No, but that's the closest one I could find. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Then what is it doing here?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I remember the scene that the Desert Eagle was used in, post a screenshot of that. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]
::Yeah, that is much better than using the Desert Eagle model in GTA IV.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, I'll try to find it. [[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 22:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::I forget who wrote the Desert Eagle section, but they said that the model Lance Vance used was the same model in San Andreas. I have a picture of that, so I'll use that -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:::There was also a golden Desert Eagle.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't recall that, but where did you see it? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 18:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think there was a golden Eagle. I think it was used by Diaz to shoot up his video cassete and used by Lance or Tommy to execute Diaz.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Let me check on that for you. I know the one Lance use was definitely a standard Eagle, but i'll check the one Diaz used. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, Diaz uses a standard Eagle as well. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Fuck, i gonna check some gameplay videos to see if there are any golden Desert Eagles.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Lance used a regular one. Now if i could only find the mission that Diaz shot up his cassete.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::Diaz used a regular one as well. I remember seing a golden desert eagle in one of the earlier GTAs don't know which one though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I already checked the gameplay videos. The mission where Diaz shoots the cassette is "Supply and Demand" -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello Again, I was the one who added the Desert Eagle aswell as other NonGameplay Weapons to other GTA pages.

I have noticed now the Desert Eagle in Vice City is a slightly 'thinner' model and used a 'chrome' texture.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/gtawiki/images/1/16/PhilCassidyGTAVC.jpg Image from Grand Theft Wiki.

- Thomas

:Ok, well, thank you, I guess. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:42, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

== Clean-up ==

Hey, just noticed a few missng things and inaccuracies here. Since I'm a complete GTA freak, I'll comment on them. I'm no gun-nut, so please feel free to correct any mistakes. But please gimme a heads up on this section, as I'm watching it and maybe waiting to pounce and flame you, j/k. :D
TC. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 14:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:Are you german or something?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Haha lol no, sorry for the typos. Actually Iraqi - guess that's much worse to be honest :D. Anyway done as much cleaning up as I can, as I gotta go somewhere now. Will hopefully continue tomorrow or whenever I'm free. I added a few more interesting tid-bits, aswell as standardised how each section and the different information is organised. Please anyone feel free to continue my work in the same style. Cheers, and TC all. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 15:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Ithaca 37 Stakeout (Moved from main page) ==

For those of you who think this is a Serbu Super Shorty, this Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" is the exact same model as the one used in the game: http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5056/l1030201wqe9.jpg

Wow it looks exactly like a Serbu Super Shorty, which isn't even a manufactured weapon anyway. It's a style of customization that can be applied to any pump action shotgun. Usually a Remington, sometimes a Mossberg, no reason it can't be applied to an Ithaca, which is what that picture looks like. An Ithaca that has been "Serbued". The folding vertical grip on the pump is the defining characteristic here. It's a Super Shorty, even if it is an Ithaca.

protip: "no it isn't" is a piss poor argument

rebuttal: I'm pretty sure Rockstar did not go out of their way to include an "Ithaca 37 Stakeout that looks like it was modified". They saw a Serbu Super Shorty in a movie, decided it looked cool, and ran with it without checking any facts. Which would explain both its anachronistic presence and any minor details that would lead you to believe it is an Ithaca

Dongs you are an idiot. I saw everybody complaining about your idiotic Perfect Dark article. You don't know what you're talking about so maybe you should just go away and let the adults handle this.

And just as a kick in your nuts, I'm gonna back up my "no fact check" theory right now. Putting the M4 carbine in games that predate 1995 in setting, giving the AR15 rifles 50 and 60 round magazines, giving M1911A1 pistols 12 and 17 round magazines and calling them "nines", giving bolt and pump action rifles either limitless magazines or one shot magazines, etc. all proof that rockstar doesn't know jack cheese about guns and just sticks things there because they look cool, reality be damned.

Now stop editing my article. -[[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

:Ok, first off, i'm really not sure who a lot of these comments are directed at. I never wrote "no it isn't". And I have no idea what you mean about Perfect Dark. The only thing I've done is add a link to that website. However, I have contributed A LOT to this article (as well as to all the other Grand Theft Auto articles, even though sometimes I forget to use my screename when editing, lol. You will see when I forget to log in, my user name is 67.232.142.109), and I am free to edit this article in the best means necessary, as is anyone on this website. Maybe you started it, but I must say, you didn't do a very good job.

:But, I didn't come here to attack you personally. It is more likely that the people at Rockstar we're researching the 1980s era for this game, saw the Ithaca 37 used in Miami Vice (the same exact model from the website I linked), thought THAT gun was cool, and used it in the game. And I really fail to see how the gun on the page I linked is exactly like the Serbu Super Shorty. Do you see an ejection port anywhere on this gun? NO.

:I do agree that often times, Rockstar has made stupid mistakes with weapons, but a lot of the weapons they do put in their games are correct. In this game, the Python, Chrome shotgun, Stubby shotgun, Spas-12, Uzi, Mac-10, MP5, Ruger, Sniper Rifle, M60, and RPG all have real life specifications. There are many others in other games as well. Besides which, real life specifications are irrelevent in this matter. We're talking about how a shotgun "looks" not how it "functions". There is a difference. And as far as how a weapon looks, Rockstar has always been accurate with that (for a video game).

:I'd appreciate it if you stop insulting those who are trying to help you see that you are clearly wrong. Maybe you should stop editing the article because you obviously don't know much about guns. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 16:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

::I just looked at the page history. THIS IS NOT YOUR ARTICLE. The person who created this article's screename is "Cutaway", not "PersonsofInterest". You only started editing this article yesterday. Nice try, pal, but in the future, don't try to pass off something that's someone elses as your own. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 16:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

didn't mean the whole article, just this section, waiting on forums discussion before proceeding with further edits (somebody should put up the actual pic of Don Johnson's shotgun if they feel so strongly about this) -[[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

:Oh, ok then, but it's really not YOUR article, either. Actually, it was Philip Michael Thomas, not Don Johnson, but whatever, that's not the point. If you look on the Miami Vice page, you'll see a link to the same website, and it says "This was the same gun used by Philip Michael Thomas" (or something like that I think). -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

::Yeah I just checked. The page I linked is the actual Ithaca 37 used in Miami Vice. Actually, give me a minute, and I'll get the screen shot from Vice City of the stubby. You'll see that it has no ejection port on the side and is much longer than the Serbu, proving it is an Ithaca 37 stakeout. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Here it is:

[[Image:Stubby_vc.png|thumb|400px|none]]

Obviously, it doesn't look exactly like an Ithaca 37 (because it is a video game and it's animated, lol), but it's pretty much dead on. The biggest giveaway is that the stubby shotgun is substantially bigger than the Serbu, making it the same size as the Ithaca. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:And if i remember, there is no ejection port.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Game strategies in the description? ==

Although neat and thoughtful is it really necessary to start adding in game suggestions to the descriptions? The page is meant to tell viewers what firearms appear in the game, not how to use certain strategies to your advantage while playing … no? If you want to do that then just put it in the discussion page. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 08:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Who is this directed at? - POI

Uhh... to whichever person added that the Hunter has a chin-mounted Browning M2, they were off the mark. The Apache has an M230 30mm chain gun under its chin, and I'll bet the game designers wanted the more powerful of the two so...yeah.

== Complaint from Weapon Companies to Rockstar Games ==

In the First Release of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, it featured weapon names like Colt .45, Colt Python and Colt M4. For the same reason there are no real car names, real life companies like Colt did not authorise their use in the Game and GTA Vice City was re-released with the guns renamed, plus some weapons remodeled. The First Release of GTA Vice City had a Colt Rifle with a 14.5 inch barrel, like the M4. Strange though how even with a shorter barrel, it still resembled a Colt weapon.

:Hmm... I vaguely remember those names from back in the day when I first got the game. Maybe I should have kept my "pre-Double Pack" copy of Vice City as a collector's item like I did my first edition ("Hot Coffee"-compatible version) of San Andreas instead of giving it away. :P [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Colt doesn't own the name "M4" because US copyright does not recognize it as a trademark, because of the legal situation with Heckler & Koch's HK416. [[User:RadiumMetal|RadiumMetal]] 12:51, 1 December 2011 (CST)

2011-08-18T17:48:13Z

RadiumMetal: /* The 'Nade Launcher */

=== Knives ===
Two types of knives (technically the same, but wielded differently) are frequently used, Throwing Knives and Combat Knives.

[[Image:GE Knife.png‎|thumb|none|300px|The "Throwing Knives" in ''GoldenEye 007'']]

=== Tank ===
Its a Tank, and is featured in 2 levels. Did I mention the Tank is a Tank?
haha! funny family guy joke

[[Image:Tank GE.png|thumb|none|300px|The "Tank" in ''GoldenEye 007'']]

== I'm not sure the inventory order is the best we can use. ==

While it's better having the weapons in some sort of order, the Goldeneye order is weird; for example, a revolver next to a sniper rifle and SMGs and assault rifles mixed up together for no good reason. I don't find this whole edit war thing productive, but I think it was in a better order the way I had it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

There's no reason to do it one way or another. This is an asinine topic, probably best to just leave it alone until somebody actually complains about it. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

*I'm somebody. And if there's no reason to do it one way or the other, why not do it the way I suggest? [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== Automatic Shotgun ==

It's not a SPAS-12, it looks nothing like a SPAS-12, can we remove any mention of SPAS-12 from this article.

If you absolutely have to have to have to call it something, its a wood furniture Remington 1100 with a pistol grip, no stock, a sawed off barrel, and a Mossberg heat shield. Somebody do a mock up of that (it doesn't exist on GIS, I've looked) and do a comparison.

Still doesn't make it that though, so just keep it "Automatic Shotgun". [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

*Most people seem to be able to see some SPAS-12 in it [we've got at least three who've added it or suggested it stay so far]. The heat shield plus that diagonal slant down onto it is the main point of comparison, though you're right it's a horrible resemblance and turns into a generic pump action as soon as you get past the heat shield. Also, if you want to mock up guns in photoshop, try this: http://avro504.hp.infoseek.co.jp/teppoo/gunicon.html Also, the article doesn't say it's a SPAS-12 anymore, just that the front end has a couple of similarities. I might edit it to be even more clear that it certainly isn't a SPAS, and add this for proof:

[[Image:Automatic_Shotgun.png|thumb|none|400px]]

:Since that shows any similarity is purely confined to the front (as a side note, I especially like how the pump seems to travel all the way back to the pistol grip on what appears to be a shelf bracket which ''covers the trigger completely''). A more simple evaluation: it's an FPS, it's an automatic shotgun. It's not a Jackhammer, so it's a SPAS. If it's not a SPAS then it's a USAS-12 and I don't think we should go there. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

::Also, you messed up linking to your user page again. Sign with four tildes [<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>] or format the link as <nowiki>[[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]</nowiki>. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a shotgun in a video game it doesn't "have to" be anything. Let go of your SPAS 12 fantasy. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

*It seems the only person even remotely concerned with this is you. Give it a rest, the features are described as a "slight resemblance" in the article and that's all. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

===BIG FAT SWEATY UPDATE===
It's a Remington 1100. I remember posting in the forum discussion that *if* the "automatic shotgun" was anything, it was a [[Remington 1100]] with a sawed off barrel, a pistol grip, no stock, and a heat shield. I searched and searched and it seemed such a gun did not exist, so i said "fudge it" and went home. Then I came across this little gem right here.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-222544.jpg|thumb|400px|none]]

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the [[GoldenEye 007|Goldeneye]] automatic shotgun is modelled after the gun used by [[Kurtwood Smith|Red Foreman]] to put a boot up [[Robocop|Robocop's]] ass. "But the color of the forearm is different and that one has a folding stock" you say. AKMS's and SPECTRE M4's are supposed to have folding stocks too. P90's are supposed to be green. Point Game Checkmate. - POI

PS The pump-action shotgun so closely resembling the folding stock 870 from [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] backs up my theory IMSO (In My Smug Opinion)

Why is it OK to mention the pump shotgun resembling the 870 from [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] and that the sniper rifle resembles the WA2000 from [[The Living Daylights]], but it is verboten to mention that the auto shotgun resembles the customized 1100 from [[RoboCop]]? None of them are specifically ID'ed as those things, so what's the problem? [[User:PersonOfInterest2|PersonOfInterest2]] 05:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

== The 'Nade Launcher ==
The Grenade Launcher doesn't look like the DefTech. It looks like the grenade launcher in [[Predator]] but that one wasn't a real gun. Anyone have any idea what that motherfucking 'nade launcher is supposed to represent?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

*Something with "adjustable spray nozzle" in the description judging by the muzzle. Also fitted with an underbarrel microphone. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 19:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, i admit i laughed at the underbarrel microphone. Now i can't unsee it. Thank you Dongs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The rocket launcher

Shouldnt the rocket launcher be based on the RPG-7 instead?

*No, because it only has one grip, an RPG-7 has two. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 17:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:If it has only one grip, wouln't it be an RPG-2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::<s>The Type 69's grip is in the middle of the weapon, the RPG-2's is near the muzzle of the tube.</s> <-Should not look at things the instant after waking up. Yes, it could be, but it's probably supposed to be an RPG-7 derivative. See: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/goldeneye/images/0/05/Rocket_Launcher.png for the Goldeneye Rocket Launcher. Apparently in early builds it had a three-shot magazine, was shoulder-fired [ie higher up on-screen] and looked different. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 19:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I just found it. It's a Defense Technologies Penn Arms 40mm rotary launcher but it's missing the stock, tactical rails, and the handgrip at the front. [[User:RadiumMetal|RadiumMetal]] 12:47, 18 August 2011 (CDT)

== "Generic rotary gun" ==

You forgot to mention the rotary guns in the Airport level. --[[Special:Contributions/208.85.242.212|208.85.242.212]] 10:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:Airport level? What airport level?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 10:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::Level 3, Runway, pillbox-enclosed rotary guns. They're in a few other places too I think. [[Special:Contributions/115.134.216.180|115.134.216.180]] 02:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I believe he's talking about the runway where you make your escape from the chemical weapons plant, though I don't recall any of those weapons there. just a tank and an endless stream of Soviet infantry. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes there are those in Runway: One near the tank, one on the left side at the end of the runway and one on the right side at the end of the runway [[User:SeanWolf]]

== "Grenade Launcher" ==

The Grenade Launcher is supposed to be a Milkor MGL (Multiple Grenade Launcher). There are plenty of variants of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M32_Grenade_Loading.jpg --[[Special:Contributions/208.85.242.212|208.85.242.212]] 10:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

No it is not supposed to be a Milkor, it resembles a Milkor just as much as it resembles an RG-6 or an Arwen. My money's on Rare copying the clunky looking bastard from [[Predator]] (and [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] agrees), seeing as they ripped off the Robocop shotgun. - POI

==AK-47 / Type 56==
If anybody feels i really disrupted the cosmic order with that edit then go ahead and change it but at least look at this photo first please.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/goldeneye/images/7/76/Kalashnikov_AK47.png - POI

==Speculation You Say?==
This game is full of guns that are copied from other movies. The fake AK-74 from Goldeneye is the most obvious, and Dongs pointed out the very unique infrared scope set up on the sniper rifle copied from The Living Daylights. The grenade launcher is quite a good match for the launcher from Predator. The folding stock 870 with the shells on top is a very iconic image from Terminator 2: Judgement Day, what else could it possibly be? As for the "automatic shotgun", yeah I guess that technically would be speculation, but consider all the other guns in this game ripped from movies, the popularity of Robocop, and the fact that I described a gun similar to Kurtwood Smith's customized 1100 as a potential candidate for this shotgun BEFORE I had even seen the screencap that I later used to identify it. Pretty safe speculation, I would say. - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

:"This game is full of guns that are copied from other movies" well I just see a bunch of crappily generically modeled weapons. The only reason that you see them as movie guns is because it is what you are used to seeing/want to see. Your mind is matrixing so that you see what you want to see. There is no indication AT ALL that these weapons were ripped from a movie. Maybe its where the artist could have gotten his inspiration but anything else is pure speculation. To label such a crappily drawn generic weapon in this game as a such certain a specific weapon is a mockery of IMFDB in my opinion , akin to if someone were to parody IMFDB on SNL. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

::Well if you want to take it to a logical extreme then nothing in this game can be defined as anything. The PP7 is a black pocket pistol, the DD44 is a grey pistol. The KF7 would be better described as an AK-47 or AKM with the wooden stock removed due to a lack of holes where the folding stock would be. Being labelled as "AK-47" in the beta version doesn't mean anything, it's just another misidentification, a common occurance in games AND movies The RCP90 shouldn't count as anything. If you're uncomfortable giving a concrete identification of anything then at least mention the similarities. You can't completely ignore when something bares a resemblance to something that actually does exist. Example: don't say the auto shotgun definitively is a Remington 1100 a la Robocop, say it is most similar to the Remington 1100 from Robocop. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 22:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

:::What I've done now appears to be a sensible solution. Maybe this way of labelling things can be used in other video game articles. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 23:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Ain't nobody fucking asking you your opinion! Stuff it!

=='''Rocket Launcher'''==

I don't know how anyone can write that it is 'generically' based of a type 96 RPG. It looks more like an AT4 than anything else. I mean, sure it's got a vertical fore grip, but don't you think that's kind of a stretch? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

It looks nothing like an AT4. It most resembles a Type 69 because it has a single pistol grip and an external warhead, neither of which are present on the AT4. It's not exactly a Type 69, so it's not labeled as a Type 69, the picture is just there for comparison. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

It looks like an [[RPG-2]]. - --[[Special:Contributions/98.239.44.93|98.239.44.93]] 00:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

==Cougar Magnum/Ruger Redhawk text==
"The Cougar Magnum appears to be based on the [[Ruger Redhawk]]. Despite a slow rate of fire, it is suprisingly powerful; capable of shooting through doors and other objects while retaining lethal force. It is also used by Natalya to plow through the jungle."

I changed this text because it makes no sense. "Also used by Natalya"? It's ONLY used by Natalya, you can't even pick it up off of her if she dies. And what is so surprising about a slow firing weapon being powerful? There are lots of video game weapons that are powerful and slow. You can't have powerful and fast because that wouldn't be balanced. And it is not at all worth mentioning that it "[retains] lethal force" because other guns that fire through objects (AR33, RCP90, Moonraker Laser) also "[retain] lethal force". Just mention that those guns can all shoot through doors, objects, and people and that's all that needs to be said.

Please don't ban me again, I'm not a vandal and banning me from the wiki because of my conduct on the forums was grossly unfair. [[User:PersonOfInterest2|PersonOfInterest2]] 05:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

: Well, it can ''also'' be used by the player (be it by cheats or whatever), so the grammar isn't technically incorrect. And as for the section's text.. Other than some words and phrases bothering ''you'', there doesn't seem to be any problem with it as far as I can see. The section didn't say 'THIS GUN RULEZ AND IT KIKS ASS' or something like that. Don't be such a childish nitpicker. As for you getting banned, that's irrelevant here. Though I will say myself that it'd be pretty pointless to ban you off the forums and continue to allow you to be around and post on the actual Wiki itself. But that's just me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

== Tokarev/Tokagypt ==

http://images.wikia.com/goldeneye/images/e/e0/DD44_Dostovei.png

Notice the shape of the grip and the horizontal lines. [[User:BurtReynoldsMoustache|BurtReynoldsMoustache]] 23:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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=== Knives ===
Two types of knives (technically the same, but wielded differently) are frequently used, Throwing Knives and Combat Knives.

[[Image:GE Knife.png‎|thumb|none|300px|The "Throwing Knives" in ''GoldenEye 007'']]

=== Tank ===
Its a Tank, and is featured in 2 levels. Did I mention the Tank is a Tank?
haha! funny family guy joke

[[Image:Tank GE.png|thumb|none|300px|The "Tank" in ''GoldenEye 007'']]

== I'm not sure the inventory order is the best we can use. ==

While it's better having the weapons in some sort of order, the Goldeneye order is weird; for example, a revolver next to a sniper rifle and SMGs and assault rifles mixed up together for no good reason. I don't find this whole edit war thing productive, but I think it was in a better order the way I had it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

There's no reason to do it one way or another. This is an asinine topic, probably best to just leave it alone until somebody actually complains about it. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

*I'm somebody. And if there's no reason to do it one way or the other, why not do it the way I suggest? [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== Automatic Shotgun ==

It's not a SPAS-12, it looks nothing like a SPAS-12, can we remove any mention of SPAS-12 from this article.

If you absolutely have to have to have to call it something, its a wood furniture Remington 1100 with a pistol grip, no stock, a sawed off barrel, and a Mossberg heat shield. Somebody do a mock up of that (it doesn't exist on GIS, I've looked) and do a comparison.

Still doesn't make it that though, so just keep it "Automatic Shotgun". [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

*Most people seem to be able to see some SPAS-12 in it [we've got at least three who've added it or suggested it stay so far]. The heat shield plus that diagonal slant down onto it is the main point of comparison, though you're right it's a horrible resemblance and turns into a generic pump action as soon as you get past the heat shield. Also, if you want to mock up guns in photoshop, try this: http://avro504.hp.infoseek.co.jp/teppoo/gunicon.html Also, the article doesn't say it's a SPAS-12 anymore, just that the front end has a couple of similarities. I might edit it to be even more clear that it certainly isn't a SPAS, and add this for proof:

[[Image:Automatic_Shotgun.png|thumb|none|400px]]

:Since that shows any similarity is purely confined to the front (as a side note, I especially like how the pump seems to travel all the way back to the pistol grip on what appears to be a shelf bracket which ''covers the trigger completely''). A more simple evaluation: it's an FPS, it's an automatic shotgun. It's not a Jackhammer, so it's a SPAS. If it's not a SPAS then it's a USAS-12 and I don't think we should go there. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

::Also, you messed up linking to your user page again. Sign with four tildes [<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>] or format the link as <nowiki>[[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]</nowiki>. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a shotgun in a video game it doesn't "have to" be anything. Let go of your SPAS 12 fantasy. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

*It seems the only person even remotely concerned with this is you. Give it a rest, the features are described as a "slight resemblance" in the article and that's all. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

===BIG FAT SWEATY UPDATE===
It's a Remington 1100. I remember posting in the forum discussion that *if* the "automatic shotgun" was anything, it was a [[Remington 1100]] with a sawed off barrel, a pistol grip, no stock, and a heat shield. I searched and searched and it seemed such a gun did not exist, so i said "fudge it" and went home. Then I came across this little gem right here.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-222544.jpg|thumb|400px|none]]

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the [[GoldenEye 007|Goldeneye]] automatic shotgun is modelled after the gun used by [[Kurtwood Smith|Red Foreman]] to put a boot up [[Robocop|Robocop's]] ass. "But the color of the forearm is different and that one has a folding stock" you say. AKMS's and SPECTRE M4's are supposed to have folding stocks too. P90's are supposed to be green. Point Game Checkmate. - POI

PS The pump-action shotgun so closely resembling the folding stock 870 from [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] backs up my theory IMSO (In My Smug Opinion)

Why is it OK to mention the pump shotgun resembling the 870 from [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] and that the sniper rifle resembles the WA2000 from [[The Living Daylights]], but it is verboten to mention that the auto shotgun resembles the customized 1100 from [[RoboCop]]? None of them are specifically ID'ed as those things, so what's the problem? [[User:PersonOfInterest2|PersonOfInterest2]] 05:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

== The 'Nade Launcher ==
The Grenade Launcher doesn't look like the DefTech. It looks like the grenade launcher in [[Predator]] but that one wasn't a real gun. Anyone have any idea what that motherfucking 'nade launcher is supposed to represent?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

*Something with "adjustable spray nozzle" in the description judging by the muzzle. Also fitted with an underbarrel microphone. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 19:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, i admit i laughed at the underbarrel microphone. Now i can't unsee it. Thank you Dongs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I just found it. It's a Defense Technologies Penn Arms 40mm rotary launcher but it's missing the stock, tactical rails, and the handgrip at the front. [[User:RadiumMetal|RadiumMetal]] 12:47, 18 August 2011 (CDT)

The rocket launcher

Shouldnt the rocket launcher be based on the RPG-7 instead?

*No, because it only has one grip, an RPG-7 has two. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 17:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:If it has only one grip, wouln't it be an RPG-2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::<s>The Type 69's grip is in the middle of the weapon, the RPG-2's is near the muzzle of the tube.</s> <-Should not look at things the instant after waking up. Yes, it could be, but it's probably supposed to be an RPG-7 derivative. See: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/goldeneye/images/0/05/Rocket_Launcher.png for the Goldeneye Rocket Launcher. Apparently in early builds it had a three-shot magazine, was shoulder-fired [ie higher up on-screen] and looked different. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 19:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Generic rotary gun" ==

You forgot to mention the rotary guns in the Airport level. --[[Special:Contributions/208.85.242.212|208.85.242.212]] 10:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:Airport level? What airport level?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 10:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::Level 3, Runway, pillbox-enclosed rotary guns. They're in a few other places too I think. [[Special:Contributions/115.134.216.180|115.134.216.180]] 02:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I believe he's talking about the runway where you make your escape from the chemical weapons plant, though I don't recall any of those weapons there. just a tank and an endless stream of Soviet infantry. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes there are those in Runway: One near the tank, one on the left side at the end of the runway and one on the right side at the end of the runway [[User:SeanWolf]]

== "Grenade Launcher" ==

The Grenade Launcher is supposed to be a Milkor MGL (Multiple Grenade Launcher). There are plenty of variants of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M32_Grenade_Loading.jpg --[[Special:Contributions/208.85.242.212|208.85.242.212]] 10:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

No it is not supposed to be a Milkor, it resembles a Milkor just as much as it resembles an RG-6 or an Arwen. My money's on Rare copying the clunky looking bastard from [[Predator]] (and [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] agrees), seeing as they ripped off the Robocop shotgun. - POI

==AK-47 / Type 56==
If anybody feels i really disrupted the cosmic order with that edit then go ahead and change it but at least look at this photo first please.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/goldeneye/images/7/76/Kalashnikov_AK47.png - POI

==Speculation You Say?==
This game is full of guns that are copied from other movies. The fake AK-74 from Goldeneye is the most obvious, and Dongs pointed out the very unique infrared scope set up on the sniper rifle copied from The Living Daylights. The grenade launcher is quite a good match for the launcher from Predator. The folding stock 870 with the shells on top is a very iconic image from Terminator 2: Judgement Day, what else could it possibly be? As for the "automatic shotgun", yeah I guess that technically would be speculation, but consider all the other guns in this game ripped from movies, the popularity of Robocop, and the fact that I described a gun similar to Kurtwood Smith's customized 1100 as a potential candidate for this shotgun BEFORE I had even seen the screencap that I later used to identify it. Pretty safe speculation, I would say. - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

:"This game is full of guns that are copied from other movies" well I just see a bunch of crappily generically modeled weapons. The only reason that you see them as movie guns is because it is what you are used to seeing/want to see. Your mind is matrixing so that you see what you want to see. There is no indication AT ALL that these weapons were ripped from a movie. Maybe its where the artist could have gotten his inspiration but anything else is pure speculation. To label such a crappily drawn generic weapon in this game as a such certain a specific weapon is a mockery of IMFDB in my opinion , akin to if someone were to parody IMFDB on SNL. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

::Well if you want to take it to a logical extreme then nothing in this game can be defined as anything. The PP7 is a black pocket pistol, the DD44 is a grey pistol. The KF7 would be better described as an AK-47 or AKM with the wooden stock removed due to a lack of holes where the folding stock would be. Being labelled as "AK-47" in the beta version doesn't mean anything, it's just another misidentification, a common occurance in games AND movies The RCP90 shouldn't count as anything. If you're uncomfortable giving a concrete identification of anything then at least mention the similarities. You can't completely ignore when something bares a resemblance to something that actually does exist. Example: don't say the auto shotgun definitively is a Remington 1100 a la Robocop, say it is most similar to the Remington 1100 from Robocop. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 22:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

:::What I've done now appears to be a sensible solution. Maybe this way of labelling things can be used in other video game articles. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 23:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Ain't nobody fucking asking you your opinion! Stuff it!

=='''Rocket Launcher'''==

I don't know how anyone can write that it is 'generically' based of a type 96 RPG. It looks more like an AT4 than anything else. I mean, sure it's got a vertical fore grip, but don't you think that's kind of a stretch? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

It looks nothing like an AT4. It most resembles a Type 69 because it has a single pistol grip and an external warhead, neither of which are present on the AT4. It's not exactly a Type 69, so it's not labeled as a Type 69, the picture is just there for comparison. [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

It looks like an [[RPG-2]]. - --[[Special:Contributions/98.239.44.93|98.239.44.93]] 00:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

==Cougar Magnum/Ruger Redhawk text==
"The Cougar Magnum appears to be based on the [[Ruger Redhawk]]. Despite a slow rate of fire, it is suprisingly powerful; capable of shooting through doors and other objects while retaining lethal force. It is also used by Natalya to plow through the jungle."

I changed this text because it makes no sense. "Also used by Natalya"? It's ONLY used by Natalya, you can't even pick it up off of her if she dies. And what is so surprising about a slow firing weapon being powerful? There are lots of video game weapons that are powerful and slow. You can't have powerful and fast because that wouldn't be balanced. And it is not at all worth mentioning that it "[retains] lethal force" because other guns that fire through objects (AR33, RCP90, Moonraker Laser) also "[retain] lethal force". Just mention that those guns can all shoot through doors, objects, and people and that's all that needs to be said.

Please don't ban me again, I'm not a vandal and banning me from the wiki because of my conduct on the forums was grossly unfair. [[User:PersonOfInterest2|PersonOfInterest2]] 05:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

: Well, it can ''also'' be used by the player (be it by cheats or whatever), so the grammar isn't technically incorrect. And as for the section's text.. Other than some words and phrases bothering ''you'', there doesn't seem to be any problem with it as far as I can see. The section didn't say 'THIS GUN RULEZ AND IT KIKS ASS' or something like that. Don't be such a childish nitpicker. As for you getting banned, that's irrelevant here. Though I will say myself that it'd be pretty pointless to ban you off the forums and continue to allow you to be around and post on the actual Wiki itself. But that's just me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

== Tokarev/Tokagypt ==

http://images.wikia.com/goldeneye/images/e/e0/DD44_Dostovei.png

Notice the shape of the grip and the horizontal lines. [[User:BurtReynoldsMoustache|BurtReynoldsMoustache]] 23:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)