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Talk:Fallout 4

2016-05-04T22:10:02Z

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=Discussion=
Once you upgrade the Combat Rifle with long barrel, .308 receiver, and full stock, it's pretty much a BAR. And the Hunting Rifle is probably based on a real rifle. as well. The Assault Rifle looks a bit like the Lewsi Gun, but I haven't got one yet.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:05, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:Oh, yeah, there's a .44 revolver as well.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:08, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::The revolver is similar to the S&W M29, which would make sense since they used that model in the previous games. The character in first person is always shown cooking the hammer between shots, but that isn't actually animated in third person.
::There's something i wonder btw, in the live action intro (which doesn't have Ron Pearlman narrating for some reason :() you can see a chinese soldier holding a rifle that kinda looks like a Galil, is that the case?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:10, 13 November 2015 (EST)

::Haven't gotten that far in the game myself, but yeah, the Galil looks like it has the folding bipod equipped (seen below), making it the Galil ARM. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:58, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::Have the chinese ever used Galil's or is that a stand in for whatever weapon they were using in the 50's?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:25, 13 November 2015 (EST)
[[Image:Fallout4Galil.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Chinese soldier holds a Galil ARM in the live-action intro.]]
:No the Chinese never used Galils, the Galil went into service with the Israelis in 1972, and the Chinese used Type 56 Carbines aka the Chinese SKS and the Type 56 Chinese AKs in the 50's. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 14:57, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::Struck me as a bit odd for them to use that weapon in that intro. Then again, this is a game where you can have laser pistols so i guess i can gloss over it.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:07, 13 November 2015 (EST)
Maybe as a stand-in for the Type 81? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:20, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:Type 81's came out in the 1980's. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:25, 13 November 2015 (EST)
You can't put real timeline on a Fallout game, they have a parallel history, where a lot of technology came early, and some of it more advanced than ours right now. Realistically the rifle is probably not meant to be a galil but just a generic rifle that in that universe is used by them, they just chose the Galil because it would be relatively unknown to gamers and it looks like a bad guy gun. AK on the other hand would be known by most --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 09:04, 17 November 2015 (EST)

::Oh, and I just saw a Walther PPK (or a PPK/S) on a loading screen today. Haven't seen one in the game yet, though. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 15:33, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::It would('ve) be nice to have one of those in the game. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2015 (EST)
The Combat Rifle looks like a PPSh-41 but with a small mag and apparently chambered in. 45 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)
: Looks a bit like the BAR with the long barrel, full stock, and .308 receiver--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:22, 16 November 2015 (EST).

What do you say about these guns?

Combat rifle: [http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/6/67/Fallout4_Combat_rifle.png/revision/latest?cb=20151111133727]

Flare pistol: [http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/c/c1/Fallout4_Flare_gun.png/revision/latest?cb=20151122152815]
--[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 28 November 2015 (EST)
:The combat rifle kinda looks like a BAR (and is also really similar to the combat shotgun) I also recognize that Flare Pistol design but i can't remember the name for it. If you have good screenshots of em, ad them.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:44, 28 November 2015 (EST)
::[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Kampfpistole The Flare gun is this thing]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:22, 28 November 2015 (EST)
== Pipe weapons: Total fiction? ==

Anyone who has played this game has probably come across one of the many pipe weapons in game, weapons that have been crudely built from (as you might have guessed) pipes, sticks and other junk. What i wonder is if these types of weapons even would work in real-life.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:30, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:I know you can build a zip gun using pipes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:43, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::To some extent, yes, it is entirely possible to make working firearms out of scrap materials but of course they always have inherent flaws. I doubt you'd be able to make 'em like anything in Fallout 4 but I know that many third world militia's and criminal elements in the world sometime make use of home-made firearms ranging from revolvers and pistols to sub-machine guns and rifles all made out of pipes and scrap metal. While I wouldn't believe that the design of the Pipe Pistol (and its upgrades from pistol to rifle) could work, the most realistic "home-made" weapon I've found thus far appears to be the Pipe Revolver. It's chambered in .45 caliber and is single action only. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 17:21, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::Well, there are some guns like the Sten that are specifically designed to be made with as little specialised tooling as possible, too. Though I do like the pipe-FG42 you can build, that's suitably silly. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:35, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::Building a pipe-weapon is possible, but AFAIK it would only be good for like one or two shots. A fully-automatic pipe weapon, especially the ones in game that are built out of a wood block, springs, screws and piping wouldn't be good for more than a few shots before they either caught fire, jammed, exploded or broke. Making a weapon out of that stuff that can feed, extract and fire .38s and .45s with no problems constantly (and do it fully automatic) is in the realm of fantasy. Its a nice touch though, really fits into the universe and gives it a very "Metro 2033" vibe. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 01:04, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:::: not quite total fiction. You really should check out some of the weapons that have turned up on Improguns. Some of the stuff rivals factory quality while other stuff I'm surprised it didn't explode. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]])
:::::With modern machining and resources, I have no doubt its possible to make functioning firearms like zip guns or makeshift shotguns. But if the weapon is literally a block of wood tied to a piece of metal with zip ties, with a pipe for a barrel and chamber, a screw for the firing pin assembly, another screw and spring that functions as a charging handle and two more circular pipes for the grip and stock and said weapon is capable of chambering .38 Special or .45 ACP, feed them flawlessly without a jam or extractor failure and fire them in fully automatic without the wooden block catching on fire or the weapon catastrophically failing, I have to say that's incredibly impressive. Doubly so because this is 210 years after a nuclear apocalypse. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]])

== Weapons thus far ==

So my journey's into Fallout 4 and the vast number of weapons have made me try and find the most realistic looking ones so far the ones I have found are:
* .44 Revolver - Like someone above has said it resembles the S&W Model 29, however certain mods and even a unique version make it look very similar to some Dan Wesson PPC Revolvers.
* Walther PPK - Is a unique 10mm Pistol called the "Deliever", it has a permanatly affixed suppressor and uses 10mm
* Flare Gun - Appears to be based off the german Kampfpistole Z, works similar to the Radio in FNV, fire it in the air and it will summon allies to your position if they are nearby.
* Hunting Rifle - Appears to be based off the early Remington 700, a unique version called Reba II uses .50 caliber and a synthetic polymer stock and can also be modified into a pistol form
* Combat Rifle/Combat Shotgun - Both seem to use the same model, except the Combat Shotgun uses a different magazine. Initially it chambers the .45 Round, which made me think it was like supped up Reising SMG but can later be converted to .308 and function similar to a BAR.
* Double Barrel Shotgun - Mods really change this weapon, initially it appears as a short barrelled shotgun with a pistol grip but can feature sawn off barrels for increase spread (and better critical damage) or a full wooden stock and a long barrel for more concerntrated fire.
* Sniper Rifle - Haven't found one yet but it appears to be based on a Semi-Auto sniper platform.
[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 17:47, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::So far, the weapons that i've come across that's called sniper rifle was just the hunting rifle with a scope. The names of the weapons change depending on what mods they have.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:32, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::You can also get it to call your weapon a sniper rifle if you give a "pipe" weapon some combination of long barrel / marksman stock / scope. It seems to work out the name of the weapon a bit like Borderlands does, only it doesn't only give the weapon the highest-order prefix. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:38, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::Also having seen the model for the .44 revolver, the huge beefy barrel isn't really Dan Wesson, it's just a really weirdly re-proportioned vented rib barrel turned upside-down. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:48, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Remington VTR ==
If you upgrade the hunting rifle with the final stock and a certain barrel which makes the barrel into a triangular shape, it strongly resembles a VTR. Worth mentioning? [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 09:40, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:Got a screenshot? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:41, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:: I can get one uploaded once I'm off work, I can also do some 1st person ones of the others as well. Also, could someone move the mural guns to a non-usable section? [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 09:46, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::We don't normally do that, weapons are usually documented by type rather than if you can use them or not. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:51, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::: Alright, one last thing, the Assault Rifle in-game instantly reminded me of an MG-08 or something along those lines, even more so since it can take a drum mag. It also has a unique compensator that someone might be able to narrow it down. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 10:02, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::Haven't seen it yet, been too busy pratting around turning my pipegun into an FG42-thing :) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:06, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::::Also, I think I have now seen that barrel you're talking about for the hunting rifle, it looks more like it's a squashed FAL handguard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:52, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::::I checked it, it is a VTR based stock and triangular barrel. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:24, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::For Tim. http://i.imgur.com/ghSou9r.jpg [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 20:19, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::Huh, ok. Didn't look like it did that from the side. Guess I was figuring that from their propensity to make custom parts by randomly stretching and squashing things, like the MP7 bits on the rocket launcher. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:41, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Minor Edit ==
Just a quick edit to the page, but you can remove the Walther PPK aka The Deliverer' surpressor by going to the Weapons Workbench in-game. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 23:06, 16 November 2015 (EST)
:Didn't know that--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 06:49, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::I only just found out last night you can do that (Though, am I the only one hearing the silencer sound-effect from the N64 Goldeneye 007 when firing that gun while it's surpressed?). --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 12:43, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::Actually just got it, can't say it sounds like that though--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:06, 17 November 2015 (EST)

== Acronym for player character. ==

So i was just wondering if we should use an acronym for the player character, like PC, Since the PC doesn't have any catchy name like "The lone wanderer" or "The courier" this time around.
Not a huge deal really but constantly writing player character just seems a bit dull.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:13, 17 November 2015 (EST)
: Your character is the Sole Survivor.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 14:25, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::In that case.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:00, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::Which is a bit of an odd name for them since the whole point of their quest is that they're looking for a second survivor. As long as you don't call them "the player" since the person in the game isn't the player: you end up with extremely silly sentences like "this weapon can easily kill the player" if you do that which make it sound like the game has a high chance of leaving you lying dead on the sofa. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:12, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::(un)Funny thing is that i just did that. Call the "Sole Survivor" the player. Oh well, such is the life of the mac--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:27, 17 November 2015 (EST)

== Name of rifle ==

The generic name for the Remington appears to be "rifle:" "hunting" is the prefix for short versions and "sniper" the prefix for long ones. "Sniper" might also require a scope to be fitted, but I know it does require a long barrel:

[[Image:Fallout4-10mm-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Scoped Powerful Hunting Rifle" can be seen in the list (I didn't highlight it because I already had a shot of the Obrez version and didn't think I needed another).]]
[[Image:Fallout4-Remington-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Since I didn't have enough screws or duct tape to make a long barrel (um...) I didn't have one at that point, but the title changes when it's selected. Since it doesn't say "scoped," "sniper rifle" probably requires rifle + scope + long barrel, but I haven't checked what it's called if you deselect the scope yet.]]
:Interesting hunting rifle on the first pic there. Is it a unique weapon?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:50, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::Naw, it's just the name there because I didn't have it highlighted. Look two up from the cursor. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:52, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::Crazy--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:08, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::Also, now that i think about it, should the 10mm pistol even be on this page? Considering it doesn't really look like any actual gun (atleast not any gun that i can think of)
::::It doesn't really have any resemblance to the Desert Eagle anymore.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:18, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::::It's worth pointing out that it's changed from being loosely based on a real gun to just being based on the previous version of itself; we covered that version, so we should probably include it here too. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:21, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::::Is it just me or does it looks as a mutated [[Colt M1911]]? --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 00:53, 18 November 2015 (UTC+2)
:::::::I guess i can see some resemblance to the 1911, some.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:50, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::It reminds me of that prototype stamped steel 1911.http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/01/02/the-mystery-of-the-stamped-steel-1911/ --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 19:27, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's largely a coincidence, it's a deagle slide with the safety removed because we have the past games to refer to. Given how obscure that pistol is, I doubt the devs knew about it. Also check out the Liberator on that page, someone plated one of those silly contraptions? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 19:34, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::::I know some people are weird about it, but we include completely fictional guns (as long as that's not all the game has) to inform people that look up the game or the weapons what they are and are not. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 20:44, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::::::Yeah, as long as it's not something nobody would think was real in the first place like the laser muskets, it's ok. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:46, 17 November 2015 (EST)

== About screenshots ==

If you're playing the PC version of the game and want to take some fancy screenshots for the site (or just in general) You can use the console and type in tfc, this will allow you to move around the camera freely, type tfc 1 and it will also pause time. Then you can just hide the HUD by writing in tm and/or change the FOV via typing in fov 90 for example (the default FOV is 70)--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:53, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:I prefer in-game shots where possible, and you can usually get some nice views in VATS so that isn't really all that necessary. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 19:38, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::They are still in-game, VATS have HUD all over the place and the camera angles are random.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:53, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::Well, the HUD is kind of supposed to be there, you know, that's what the game looks like. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:08, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::It doesn't look very good in a screenshot, something that's supposed to show the gun, not the HUD, less clutter is preferable.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:09, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::::Eh, my feeling on it is that it should look as normal as possible (subject to some sacrifices like turning off motion blur to make things clearer) to show what the weapon looks like while you're playing the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:45, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::::I guess i have a flare for the dramatic then.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:10, 17 November 2015 (EST)

If the HUD seriously obscures the image to the point of making a positive ID difficult or something, that'd be one thing, otherwise I'm with Tim - In-game shots should remain in as normal/default a state as possible. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:24, 18 November 2015 (EST)

== Fallout 4 Assault Rifle=Not an assault rifle, but a machine gun? ==

The more I stare at Fallout 4's Assault Rifle (which IMHO looks weird and terrible, what happened to Fallout 3's amazing design?), the more its design and designation as an "assault rifle" bothers me. What exactly was Bethesda thinking when designing it?

*It has a liquid cooling jacket wrapped around the barrel, like an early Maxim gun or Lewis gun. In fact its barrel reminds me of an M1917 Browning.
*It has a machine gun style carrying handle to the right of the receiver.
*It feeds from the side, like an FG42.
*Its grip is directly taken from an MG42.
*The overall bulky shape and profile seems to suggest "machine gun" more than "assault rifle"

Its basically a mishmash of various machine guns, with the "assault rifle" tacked on. Fallout 3 had its G3 based assault rifle, so this feels like a step back.[[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 01:18, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:I wouldn't say the gun design in Fallout 3 (or New Vegas for that matter) was "amazing" some guns were alright but for the most part they looked like crap and the animations were awful. Thank god for modders. But anyhow,one thing i've noticed to is that, when firing the AR, while the weapon has its ejection port on the right, the brass actually goes through the gun and ejects to the left. Also, when reloading, you simply remove and insert another magazine.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:22, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::Fair point, Fallout 3's designs weren't stellar, but they sort of fit in the universe and made sense, the animations were awful though. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 16:41, 18 November 2015 (EST)
Can I see some screenshots? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 13:12, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:I think the 'Assault Rifle' is designed to be held by someone in power armor, hence the bulky design, although I agree it seems more like a Machine Gun. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 18:36, 18 November 2015 (GMT)
::I can get some pic.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:56, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Here you go, Mr. Wolf. Have never posted a picture here before, so I may have formatted it wrong. Direct from the Fallout 4 page here on IMFDB.[[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 16:50, 18 November 2015 (EST)
[[File:F4 AR left.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:::Remember to sign your post buddy. Anyhow, pics are up on the page, take a look.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:42, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::::My bad, forgot. I'll make the necessary edits.[[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 16:50, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::You live you learn.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:54, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::It's highly like [[Lewis gun]]. Must be an upgraded version similar even more? --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:59, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::Funny that you mention that because there is! You can put a long barrel on it which makes it look very similar to a Lewis gun.
::Seriously though, what kind of gun is this to include in the game anyway? It looks dumb--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:30, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::See what I mean? It just looks weird and off, and looks like something from an alternate WW2. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]])
:::An M16/CAR-15 like in NV or a M14 would of been better... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 20:45, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::::There was an M14 in the live action Wanderer trailer. It got my hopes up for a little bit. The closest thing we have to a practical assault rifle is the Combat Rifle, which reminds me of a BAR somewhat. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 17:32, 19 November 2015 (EST)
I just want to remind everyone that the cover on the Lewis gun is not a water jacket, the Lewis is air-cooled. The description on the page right now seems to suggest that the Lewis is also water cooled. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:27, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:Yeah, it's got the fin array from the Lewis barrel jacket at the base and ''also'' has a coolant line going in like a Maxim. Just a note, with a water jacket this would never be a GPMG, it'd be too heavy to use in the light role. It's a medium machine gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 00:38, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::Then again, it's fed by a box magazine rather than a belt and is missing a bipod. What a train wreck. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:39, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:::It's really either a heavy light machine gun or no-purpose machine gun :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:39, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::Sorry. :V [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 01:22, 19 November 2015 (EST)

Here is another pic: [http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/1/17/Fo4_assault_rifle.png/revision/latest?cb=20150616142923]. Here, similar to the Lewis gun even more. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:57, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:Is that a drum mag? At least that would make more sense. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:02, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::It's a drum mag. Also, could i ask why your pictures are so small? What are you playing the game on? A phone?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:35, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:::Different guy, it's wikia doing that this time, they only display a thumbnail if you direct-link to an image on their servers. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:38, 19 November 2015 (EST)

Anyone think that the Assault Rifle looks like a MAS AA-52 with a Lewis Gun Barrel Jacket on it?--[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 13:16, 24 November 2015 (EST)
[[File:AA52.jpg]]

Kinda--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:32, 24 November 2015 (EST)
:Looks more like a [[Maxim MG08/15]] than anything else to me. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 16:09, 01 December 2015 (GMT)
::That's even more clunky than the gun in the game. :P [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:37, 1 December 2015 (EST)

== Section for the Discussion of Old/Beta weapons ==

I added into the Galil ARM section about how a Galil ARM-Look alike with a different barrel(?) can be seen in the Teaser Trailer wielded by one of the Diamond City Guards.

Hopefully there are files left for it in the game, would be nice IMO to have a PROPER ASSAULT RIFLE instead of that wannabe MG-08 Assault Rifle/Lewis Gun/M249 SAW mutant.

[[Image:Beta_Fo4_Galil.jpg]]

--[[User:Morayus1|Morayus1]] ([[User talk:Morayus1|talk]]) 03:43, 19 November 2015 (EST)

:Um...Is the reader supposed to determine this with a microscope? 89 pixel thumbnails aren't really good enough to make an ID from. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:20, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::What is this? A picture for ants? Really though, the gun on that tiny pic kinda looks like the Battle Rifle BAR thing with a curved mag, i don't think it's some weapon that never ended up in the game.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 08:12, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:::It's probably just the Chinese Assault Rifle used as a placeholder. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 13:29, 23 November 2015 (EST)
::::Actually, i just found [http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/2455/?tab=1&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Ffallout4%2Fajax%2Fmoddescription%2F%3Fid%3D2455%26preview%3D&pUp=1 this] on the Fallout 4 nexus. Apparently there was going to be a Chinese Assault Rifle in the game but they cut it. Kinda like that Harpoon gun. Too bad, since it looks much better than the "assault rifle" that we got. Maybe we'll see it return in some future DLC--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:12, 24 November 2015 (EST)

== .44 Pistol Third Person Cocking ==
"The player character will always cock the hammer after each shot, this animation is however only present in first-person." You sure? Cause I fired this gun in-game in third person and it does look like he cocks the hammer. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 12:48, 22 November 2015 (EST)
::I'm fairly sure.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:29, 22 November 2015 (EST)
:::I just checked again and he does cock the hammer when in third person.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 00:27, 23 November 2015 (EST)
::::Change it then--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 04:43, 23 November 2015 (EST)
I've changed it now. The player character does fire it in single action in third person too. It's more visible if you use VATS and power armor, but it does happen. Also, the minigun seems to spin clockwise in 1st person but counter-clockwise in 3rd person for some reason, so I added that too.--[[User:Xarex|Xarex]] ([[User talk:Xarex|talk]]) 05:25, 31 January 2016 (EST)

== G3 ==

I dont know if those count but there are two G3's on a weapon shop sign in Diamond city. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:29, 24 November 2015 (EST)
:Might as well ad them since someone added the weapons seen on that wall in that museum. Very specific i know.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:33, 24 November 2015 (EST)
::If they're there and we know what they are, we should identify them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:57, 24 November 2015 (EST)

== New Firearms Seen in Far Harbor DLC Trailer ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0wSCFBJcSs A New trailer has been released for the next DLC for the game, titled "Far Harbor"], and two new conventional firearms can be seen in the trailer, a lever-action rifle, and a new assault rifle that appears to resemble the Volkssturmgewehr from the end of World War 2.

[[Image:Fallout4LeverActionRifle.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|The Lever-Action rifle held by the old man.]]
[[Image:Fallout4NewRifle.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|The Rifle resembling the Volkssturmgewehr.]]

--[[User:QueenSasha24|QueenSasha24]] ([[User talk:QueenSasha24|talk]]) 18:10, 4 May 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Fallout 4

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=Discussion=
Once you upgrade the Combat Rifle with long barrel, .308 receiver, and full stock, it's pretty much a BAR. And the Hunting Rifle is probably based on a real rifle. as well. The Assault Rifle looks a bit like the Lewsi Gun, but I haven't got one yet.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:05, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:Oh, yeah, there's a .44 revolver as well.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:08, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::The revolver is similar to the S&W M29, which would make sense since they used that model in the previous games. The character in first person is always shown cooking the hammer between shots, but that isn't actually animated in third person.
::There's something i wonder btw, in the live action intro (which doesn't have Ron Pearlman narrating for some reason :() you can see a chinese soldier holding a rifle that kinda looks like a Galil, is that the case?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:10, 13 November 2015 (EST)

::Haven't gotten that far in the game myself, but yeah, the Galil looks like it has the folding bipod equipped (seen below), making it the Galil ARM. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:58, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::Have the chinese ever used Galil's or is that a stand in for whatever weapon they were using in the 50's?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:25, 13 November 2015 (EST)
[[Image:Fallout4Galil.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Chinese soldier holds a Galil ARM in the live-action intro.]]
:No the Chinese never used Galils, the Galil went into service with the Israelis in 1972, and the Chinese used Type 56 Carbines aka the Chinese SKS and the Type 56 Chinese AKs in the 50's. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 14:57, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::Struck me as a bit odd for them to use that weapon in that intro. Then again, this is a game where you can have laser pistols so i guess i can gloss over it.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:07, 13 November 2015 (EST)
Maybe as a stand-in for the Type 81? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:20, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:Type 81's came out in the 1980's. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:25, 13 November 2015 (EST)
You can't put real timeline on a Fallout game, they have a parallel history, where a lot of technology came early, and some of it more advanced than ours right now. Realistically the rifle is probably not meant to be a galil but just a generic rifle that in that universe is used by them, they just chose the Galil because it would be relatively unknown to gamers and it looks like a bad guy gun. AK on the other hand would be known by most --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 09:04, 17 November 2015 (EST)

::Oh, and I just saw a Walther PPK (or a PPK/S) on a loading screen today. Haven't seen one in the game yet, though. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 15:33, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::It would('ve) be nice to have one of those in the game. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2015 (EST)
The Combat Rifle looks like a PPSh-41 but with a small mag and apparently chambered in. 45 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)
: Looks a bit like the BAR with the long barrel, full stock, and .308 receiver--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:22, 16 November 2015 (EST).

What do you say about these guns?

Combat rifle: [http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/6/67/Fallout4_Combat_rifle.png/revision/latest?cb=20151111133727]

Flare pistol: [http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/c/c1/Fallout4_Flare_gun.png/revision/latest?cb=20151122152815]
--[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 28 November 2015 (EST)
:The combat rifle kinda looks like a BAR (and is also really similar to the combat shotgun) I also recognize that Flare Pistol design but i can't remember the name for it. If you have good screenshots of em, ad them.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:44, 28 November 2015 (EST)
::[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Kampfpistole The Flare gun is this thing]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:22, 28 November 2015 (EST)
== Pipe weapons: Total fiction? ==

Anyone who has played this game has probably come across one of the many pipe weapons in game, weapons that have been crudely built from (as you might have guessed) pipes, sticks and other junk. What i wonder is if these types of weapons even would work in real-life.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:30, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:I know you can build a zip gun using pipes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:43, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::To some extent, yes, it is entirely possible to make working firearms out of scrap materials but of course they always have inherent flaws. I doubt you'd be able to make 'em like anything in Fallout 4 but I know that many third world militia's and criminal elements in the world sometime make use of home-made firearms ranging from revolvers and pistols to sub-machine guns and rifles all made out of pipes and scrap metal. While I wouldn't believe that the design of the Pipe Pistol (and its upgrades from pistol to rifle) could work, the most realistic "home-made" weapon I've found thus far appears to be the Pipe Revolver. It's chambered in .45 caliber and is single action only. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 17:21, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::Well, there are some guns like the Sten that are specifically designed to be made with as little specialised tooling as possible, too. Though I do like the pipe-FG42 you can build, that's suitably silly. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:35, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::Building a pipe-weapon is possible, but AFAIK it would only be good for like one or two shots. A fully-automatic pipe weapon, especially the ones in game that are built out of a wood block, springs, screws and piping wouldn't be good for more than a few shots before they either caught fire, jammed, exploded or broke. Making a weapon out of that stuff that can feed, extract and fire .38s and .45s with no problems constantly (and do it fully automatic) is in the realm of fantasy. Its a nice touch though, really fits into the universe and gives it a very "Metro 2033" vibe. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 01:04, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:::: not quite total fiction. You really should check out some of the weapons that have turned up on Improguns. Some of the stuff rivals factory quality while other stuff I'm surprised it didn't explode. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]])
:::::With modern machining and resources, I have no doubt its possible to make functioning firearms like zip guns or makeshift shotguns. But if the weapon is literally a block of wood tied to a piece of metal with zip ties, with a pipe for a barrel and chamber, a screw for the firing pin assembly, another screw and spring that functions as a charging handle and two more circular pipes for the grip and stock and said weapon is capable of chambering .38 Special or .45 ACP, feed them flawlessly without a jam or extractor failure and fire them in fully automatic without the wooden block catching on fire or the weapon catastrophically failing, I have to say that's incredibly impressive. Doubly so because this is 210 years after a nuclear apocalypse. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]])

== Weapons thus far ==

So my journey's into Fallout 4 and the vast number of weapons have made me try and find the most realistic looking ones so far the ones I have found are:
* .44 Revolver - Like someone above has said it resembles the S&W Model 29, however certain mods and even a unique version make it look very similar to some Dan Wesson PPC Revolvers.
* Walther PPK - Is a unique 10mm Pistol called the "Deliever", it has a permanatly affixed suppressor and uses 10mm
* Flare Gun - Appears to be based off the german Kampfpistole Z, works similar to the Radio in FNV, fire it in the air and it will summon allies to your position if they are nearby.
* Hunting Rifle - Appears to be based off the early Remington 700, a unique version called Reba II uses .50 caliber and a synthetic polymer stock and can also be modified into a pistol form
* Combat Rifle/Combat Shotgun - Both seem to use the same model, except the Combat Shotgun uses a different magazine. Initially it chambers the .45 Round, which made me think it was like supped up Reising SMG but can later be converted to .308 and function similar to a BAR.
* Double Barrel Shotgun - Mods really change this weapon, initially it appears as a short barrelled shotgun with a pistol grip but can feature sawn off barrels for increase spread (and better critical damage) or a full wooden stock and a long barrel for more concerntrated fire.
* Sniper Rifle - Haven't found one yet but it appears to be based on a Semi-Auto sniper platform.
[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 17:47, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::So far, the weapons that i've come across that's called sniper rifle was just the hunting rifle with a scope. The names of the weapons change depending on what mods they have.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:32, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::You can also get it to call your weapon a sniper rifle if you give a "pipe" weapon some combination of long barrel / marksman stock / scope. It seems to work out the name of the weapon a bit like Borderlands does, only it doesn't only give the weapon the highest-order prefix. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:38, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::Also having seen the model for the .44 revolver, the huge beefy barrel isn't really Dan Wesson, it's just a really weirdly re-proportioned vented rib barrel turned upside-down. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:48, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Remington VTR ==
If you upgrade the hunting rifle with the final stock and a certain barrel which makes the barrel into a triangular shape, it strongly resembles a VTR. Worth mentioning? [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 09:40, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:Got a screenshot? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:41, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:: I can get one uploaded once I'm off work, I can also do some 1st person ones of the others as well. Also, could someone move the mural guns to a non-usable section? [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 09:46, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::We don't normally do that, weapons are usually documented by type rather than if you can use them or not. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:51, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::: Alright, one last thing, the Assault Rifle in-game instantly reminded me of an MG-08 or something along those lines, even more so since it can take a drum mag. It also has a unique compensator that someone might be able to narrow it down. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 10:02, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::Haven't seen it yet, been too busy pratting around turning my pipegun into an FG42-thing :) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:06, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::::Also, I think I have now seen that barrel you're talking about for the hunting rifle, it looks more like it's a squashed FAL handguard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:52, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::::I checked it, it is a VTR based stock and triangular barrel. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:24, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::For Tim. http://i.imgur.com/ghSou9r.jpg [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 20:19, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::Huh, ok. Didn't look like it did that from the side. Guess I was figuring that from their propensity to make custom parts by randomly stretching and squashing things, like the MP7 bits on the rocket launcher. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:41, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Minor Edit ==
Just a quick edit to the page, but you can remove the Walther PPK aka The Deliverer' surpressor by going to the Weapons Workbench in-game. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 23:06, 16 November 2015 (EST)
:Didn't know that--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 06:49, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::I only just found out last night you can do that (Though, am I the only one hearing the silencer sound-effect from the N64 Goldeneye 007 when firing that gun while it's surpressed?). --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 12:43, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::Actually just got it, can't say it sounds like that though--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:06, 17 November 2015 (EST)

== Acronym for player character. ==

So i was just wondering if we should use an acronym for the player character, like PC, Since the PC doesn't have any catchy name like "The lone wanderer" or "The courier" this time around.
Not a huge deal really but constantly writing player character just seems a bit dull.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:13, 17 November 2015 (EST)
: Your character is the Sole Survivor.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 14:25, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::In that case.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:00, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::Which is a bit of an odd name for them since the whole point of their quest is that they're looking for a second survivor. As long as you don't call them "the player" since the person in the game isn't the player: you end up with extremely silly sentences like "this weapon can easily kill the player" if you do that which make it sound like the game has a high chance of leaving you lying dead on the sofa. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:12, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::(un)Funny thing is that i just did that. Call the "Sole Survivor" the player. Oh well, such is the life of the mac--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:27, 17 November 2015 (EST)

== Name of rifle ==

The generic name for the Remington appears to be "rifle:" "hunting" is the prefix for short versions and "sniper" the prefix for long ones. "Sniper" might also require a scope to be fitted, but I know it does require a long barrel:

[[Image:Fallout4-10mm-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Scoped Powerful Hunting Rifle" can be seen in the list (I didn't highlight it because I already had a shot of the Obrez version and didn't think I needed another).]]
[[Image:Fallout4-Remington-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Since I didn't have enough screws or duct tape to make a long barrel (um...) I didn't have one at that point, but the title changes when it's selected. Since it doesn't say "scoped," "sniper rifle" probably requires rifle + scope + long barrel, but I haven't checked what it's called if you deselect the scope yet.]]
:Interesting hunting rifle on the first pic there. Is it a unique weapon?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:50, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::Naw, it's just the name there because I didn't have it highlighted. Look two up from the cursor. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:52, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::Crazy--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:08, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::Also, now that i think about it, should the 10mm pistol even be on this page? Considering it doesn't really look like any actual gun (atleast not any gun that i can think of)
::::It doesn't really have any resemblance to the Desert Eagle anymore.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:18, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::::It's worth pointing out that it's changed from being loosely based on a real gun to just being based on the previous version of itself; we covered that version, so we should probably include it here too. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:21, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::::Is it just me or does it looks as a mutated [[Colt M1911]]? --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 00:53, 18 November 2015 (UTC+2)
:::::::I guess i can see some resemblance to the 1911, some.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:50, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::It reminds me of that prototype stamped steel 1911.http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/01/02/the-mystery-of-the-stamped-steel-1911/ --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 19:27, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's largely a coincidence, it's a deagle slide with the safety removed because we have the past games to refer to. Given how obscure that pistol is, I doubt the devs knew about it. Also check out the Liberator on that page, someone plated one of those silly contraptions? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 19:34, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::::I know some people are weird about it, but we include completely fictional guns (as long as that's not all the game has) to inform people that look up the game or the weapons what they are and are not. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 20:44, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::::::Yeah, as long as it's not something nobody would think was real in the first place like the laser muskets, it's ok. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:46, 17 November 2015 (EST)

== About screenshots ==

If you're playing the PC version of the game and want to take some fancy screenshots for the site (or just in general) You can use the console and type in tfc, this will allow you to move around the camera freely, type tfc 1 and it will also pause time. Then you can just hide the HUD by writing in tm and/or change the FOV via typing in fov 90 for example (the default FOV is 70)--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:53, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:I prefer in-game shots where possible, and you can usually get some nice views in VATS so that isn't really all that necessary. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 19:38, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::They are still in-game, VATS have HUD all over the place and the camera angles are random.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:53, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::Well, the HUD is kind of supposed to be there, you know, that's what the game looks like. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:08, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::It doesn't look very good in a screenshot, something that's supposed to show the gun, not the HUD, less clutter is preferable.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:09, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:::::Eh, my feeling on it is that it should look as normal as possible (subject to some sacrifices like turning off motion blur to make things clearer) to show what the weapon looks like while you're playing the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:45, 17 November 2015 (EST)
::::::I guess i have a flare for the dramatic then.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:10, 17 November 2015 (EST)

If the HUD seriously obscures the image to the point of making a positive ID difficult or something, that'd be one thing, otherwise I'm with Tim - In-game shots should remain in as normal/default a state as possible. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:24, 18 November 2015 (EST)

== Fallout 4 Assault Rifle=Not an assault rifle, but a machine gun? ==

The more I stare at Fallout 4's Assault Rifle (which IMHO looks weird and terrible, what happened to Fallout 3's amazing design?), the more its design and designation as an "assault rifle" bothers me. What exactly was Bethesda thinking when designing it?

*It has a liquid cooling jacket wrapped around the barrel, like an early Maxim gun or Lewis gun. In fact its barrel reminds me of an M1917 Browning.
*It has a machine gun style carrying handle to the right of the receiver.
*It feeds from the side, like an FG42.
*Its grip is directly taken from an MG42.
*The overall bulky shape and profile seems to suggest "machine gun" more than "assault rifle"

Its basically a mishmash of various machine guns, with the "assault rifle" tacked on. Fallout 3 had its G3 based assault rifle, so this feels like a step back.[[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 01:18, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:I wouldn't say the gun design in Fallout 3 (or New Vegas for that matter) was "amazing" some guns were alright but for the most part they looked like crap and the animations were awful. Thank god for modders. But anyhow,one thing i've noticed to is that, when firing the AR, while the weapon has its ejection port on the right, the brass actually goes through the gun and ejects to the left. Also, when reloading, you simply remove and insert another magazine.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:22, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::Fair point, Fallout 3's designs weren't stellar, but they sort of fit in the universe and made sense, the animations were awful though. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 16:41, 18 November 2015 (EST)
Can I see some screenshots? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 13:12, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:I think the 'Assault Rifle' is designed to be held by someone in power armor, hence the bulky design, although I agree it seems more like a Machine Gun. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 18:36, 18 November 2015 (GMT)
::I can get some pic.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:56, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Here you go, Mr. Wolf. Have never posted a picture here before, so I may have formatted it wrong. Direct from the Fallout 4 page here on IMFDB.[[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 16:50, 18 November 2015 (EST)
[[File:F4 AR left.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:::Remember to sign your post buddy. Anyhow, pics are up on the page, take a look.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:42, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::::My bad, forgot. I'll make the necessary edits.[[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 16:50, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::You live you learn.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:54, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::It's highly like [[Lewis gun]]. Must be an upgraded version similar even more? --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:59, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::Funny that you mention that because there is! You can put a long barrel on it which makes it look very similar to a Lewis gun.
::Seriously though, what kind of gun is this to include in the game anyway? It looks dumb--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:30, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::See what I mean? It just looks weird and off, and looks like something from an alternate WW2. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]])
:::An M16/CAR-15 like in NV or a M14 would of been better... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 20:45, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::::There was an M14 in the live action Wanderer trailer. It got my hopes up for a little bit. The closest thing we have to a practical assault rifle is the Combat Rifle, which reminds me of a BAR somewhat. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 17:32, 19 November 2015 (EST)
I just want to remind everyone that the cover on the Lewis gun is not a water jacket, the Lewis is air-cooled. The description on the page right now seems to suggest that the Lewis is also water cooled. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:27, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:Yeah, it's got the fin array from the Lewis barrel jacket at the base and ''also'' has a coolant line going in like a Maxim. Just a note, with a water jacket this would never be a GPMG, it'd be too heavy to use in the light role. It's a medium machine gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 00:38, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::Then again, it's fed by a box magazine rather than a belt and is missing a bipod. What a train wreck. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:39, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:::It's really either a heavy light machine gun or no-purpose machine gun :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:39, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::Sorry. :V [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 01:22, 19 November 2015 (EST)

Here is another pic: [http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/1/17/Fo4_assault_rifle.png/revision/latest?cb=20150616142923]. Here, similar to the Lewis gun even more. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:57, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:Is that a drum mag? At least that would make more sense. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:02, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::It's a drum mag. Also, could i ask why your pictures are so small? What are you playing the game on? A phone?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:35, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:::Different guy, it's wikia doing that this time, they only display a thumbnail if you direct-link to an image on their servers. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:38, 19 November 2015 (EST)

Anyone think that the Assault Rifle looks like a MAS AA-52 with a Lewis Gun Barrel Jacket on it?--[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 13:16, 24 November 2015 (EST)
[[File:AA52.jpg]]

Kinda--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:32, 24 November 2015 (EST)
:Looks more like a [[Maxim MG08/15]] than anything else to me. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 16:09, 01 December 2015 (GMT)
::That's even more clunky than the gun in the game. :P [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:37, 1 December 2015 (EST)

== Section for the Discussion of Old/Beta weapons ==

I added into the Galil ARM section about how a Galil ARM-Look alike with a different barrel(?) can be seen in the Teaser Trailer wielded by one of the Diamond City Guards.

Hopefully there are files left for it in the game, would be nice IMO to have a PROPER ASSAULT RIFLE instead of that wannabe MG-08 Assault Rifle/Lewis Gun/M249 SAW mutant.

[[Image:Beta_Fo4_Galil.jpg]]

--[[User:Morayus1|Morayus1]] ([[User talk:Morayus1|talk]]) 03:43, 19 November 2015 (EST)

:Um...Is the reader supposed to determine this with a microscope? 89 pixel thumbnails aren't really good enough to make an ID from. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:20, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::What is this? A picture for ants? Really though, the gun on that tiny pic kinda looks like the Battle Rifle BAR thing with a curved mag, i don't think it's some weapon that never ended up in the game.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 08:12, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:::It's probably just the Chinese Assault Rifle used as a placeholder. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 13:29, 23 November 2015 (EST)
::::Actually, i just found [http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/2455/?tab=1&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Ffallout4%2Fajax%2Fmoddescription%2F%3Fid%3D2455%26preview%3D&pUp=1 this] on the Fallout 4 nexus. Apparently there was going to be a Chinese Assault Rifle in the game but they cut it. Kinda like that Harpoon gun. Too bad, since it looks much better than the "assault rifle" that we got. Maybe we'll see it return in some future DLC--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:12, 24 November 2015 (EST)

== .44 Pistol Third Person Cocking ==
"The player character will always cock the hammer after each shot, this animation is however only present in first-person." You sure? Cause I fired this gun in-game in third person and it does look like he cocks the hammer. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 12:48, 22 November 2015 (EST)
::I'm fairly sure.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:29, 22 November 2015 (EST)
:::I just checked again and he does cock the hammer when in third person.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 00:27, 23 November 2015 (EST)
::::Change it then--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 04:43, 23 November 2015 (EST)
I've changed it now. The player character does fire it in single action in third person too. It's more visible if you use VATS and power armor, but it does happen. Also, the minigun seems to spin clockwise in 1st person but counter-clockwise in 3rd person for some reason, so I added that too.--[[User:Xarex|Xarex]] ([[User talk:Xarex|talk]]) 05:25, 31 January 2016 (EST)

== G3 ==

I dont know if those count but there are two G3's on a weapon shop sign in Diamond city. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:29, 24 November 2015 (EST)
:Might as well ad them since someone added the weapons seen on that wall in that museum. Very specific i know.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:33, 24 November 2015 (EST)
::If they're there and we know what they are, we should identify them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:57, 24 November 2015 (EST)

== New Firearms Seen in Far Harbor DLC Trailer ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0wSCFBJcSs A New trailer has been released for the next DLC for the game, titled "Far Harbor"], and two new conventional firearms can be seen in the trailer, a lever-action rifle, and a new assault rifle that appears to resemble the Volkssturmgewehr from the end of World War 2.

[[File:Fallout4LeverActionRifle.jpeg]]
[[File:Fallout4NewRifle.jpeg]]

File:Fallout4NewRifle.jpeg

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QueenSasha24:

2012-12-19T20:45:40Z

QueenSasha24:

==Weird ammunition counts==
Hi, so I havent had the chance really to play this game outside of the demo but I thought one of the things about this game was ammo scarcity. I want to know why there are ammo counts on the screen caps that are in the 100's? Is this because of a cheat or an unlockable after completing the game? [[Valant]]--[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 15:00, 19 December 2012 (EST)
~It's the PC Version using a trainer I assume. That's what I did when I played the game.
Fraud. In this way I could have done better screens during the shot, etc.--[[User:Mateogala|MTOOO]] ([[User talk:Mateogala|talk]]) 15:38, 19 December 2012 (EST)

Talk:Tomb Raider (2013)

2012-12-08T03:37:42Z

QueenSasha24:

Talk:Tomb Raider (2013)

2012-12-08T03:33:43Z

QueenSasha24:

2012-11-20T20:16:13Z

QueenSasha24:

2012-04-16T12:35:40Z

QueenSasha24: /* Why is this still "The Wachowski Brothers"? */

You guys know that there is no such thing as the "Wachowski Brothers" anymore since Larry became Lana, right? I think this page should be changed from "Wachowski Brothers" to "Lana and Andy Wachowski", as on IMDb. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:26, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

:I think "The Wachowskis" as on Wikipedia is less awkward. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:29, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

:Ewwwww. Notice that in Lana's bio, IMDB rather coyly NEVER MENTIONS that he/she/it had a sex change operation. The entire Bio is a mess of gender identifiers with no reference as to how a "she" can be the brother of someone."''Estranged wife Thea Bloom was her (Wachowski's) college sweetheart. She (Wachowski) left Bloom in 2002 for Karin Winslow, a professional dominatrix, who left her husband to take Wachowski on as her "slave.".''" Uh. Right. This guy/gal/whatever is a real winner ....... ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 11:09, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

Wait, what? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 12:01, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

== Why is this still "The Wachowski Brothers"? ==

Lana is not a man, this really should be changed. Also MoviePropMaster2008, she's a woman, try not to be so transphobic. -QueenSasha24

Talk:The Wachowskis

2012-04-16T12:32:03Z

QueenSasha24: /* Why is this still "The Wachowski Brothers"? */ new section

The Wachowskis

2012-04-16T12:29:47Z

QueenSasha24: Lana Wachowski is not a man, so they aren't "brothers" anymore.

[[Category:Director]]

The following lists the films directed by the Wachowskis:

<gallery>

Image:Bound-Movie-Poster.jpg|''[[Bound]]'' (1996)
Image:MatrixCover.jpg|''[[The Matrix]]'' (1999)
Image:Matrix reloaded ver14.jpg|''[[The Matrix Reloaded]]'' (2003)
Image:MatrixRevloutions.jpg|''[[The Matrix Revolutions]]'' (2003)
Image:Speed Racer.jpg|''[[Speed Racer]]'' (2008)

User talk:PrussianPrincess24

2012-04-16T12:27:19Z

QueenSasha24:

Apologies. The overwhelming majority of name / name / number accounts we have registered are actually spambots. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:30, 15 April 2012 (CDT)

No problem! ^^ I understand you all need to be cautious.