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Talk:Spectre

2015-02-28T08:07:38Z

Phils301: /* PPK */

==Already?!==
Isn't it a bit early to have this page up, to my knowledge no official images from the set have been shown so we have no clue what weapons will be included, until closer to the release --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 02:41, 01 February 2015 (GMT)
: I agree, if there are no actual (and legitimate) firearm-showing images that can be posted, making a page is premature and unnecessary. I'm quite sure the admins will concur. I've marked the page for deletion - IF there are images that just haven't been put up yet, I'll take the <nowiki>{{nuke}}</nowiki> tag off, but if not, well I think deletion is appropriate, as save for the poster image (which I'm sure will be archived here), there's pretty much nothing on it anyway. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:00, 31 January 2015 (EST)

Sorry for being an uber noob but what is the proper way to post a reply? I sincerely apologize for making a mess of things today. Anyway, there are indeed images of Daniel Craig wielding what appears to be a Walther P99 which is why I decided to create the page. Here is an image: http://www.jamesbondbrasil.com/wp-content/gallery/sp_aus_150115/jbbr_spectre_obertilliach_150115_foto_daniel_raunig_003.jpg [[User:Andrewj28|Andrewj28]]
::And we're not allowed to use unauthorized behind-the-scenes photos. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:37, 31 January 2015 (EST)
:There was no content on the page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:36, 31 January 2015 (EST)
::On a side note tho, I'm glad they're going back to the P99, the regression way back to the PPK in the last film seemed odd to me --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 04:19, 01 February 2015 (GMT)
: What makes an image authorized or unauthorized? --[[User:Andrewj28|Andrewj28]]
::If it's an officially released behind-the-scenes photo, like on an official website, then it's fine. If it's some extra on set taking photos on his phone, then it's not. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 02:49, 1 February 2015 (EST)
:::[http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi3875712537/ This] would be authorized. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:08, 12 February 2015 (EST)

::::A promotional image was released today, alongside a BTS video, of Craig holding a Heckler & Koch VP9. Looks like SPECTRE is going to be the first film to feature the VP9. By the way, in the video, as Craig fires the VP9, it looks like the slide isn't moving, even though the gun still emits a muzzle flash. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 08:45, 12 February 2015 (EST)
[[Image:SPECTREPromoVP9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A promotional still of [[Daniel Craig]] holding a Heckler & Koch VP9 as James Bond in ''SPECTRE''.]]
:::::Because it's directly after disarming a bad guy in the sequence it could be a stunt prop like the old flash paper guns. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 07:48, 13 February 2015 (EST)

An image in the latest issue of Empire magazine features a photo of Mr. Hinx pointing what appears to be a AF2011 Dueller Prismatic. Can anyone else verify? [http://i.imgur.com/KWyIRJY.jpg/ Here] is a shot from the magazine. [http://i.imgur.com/OIIjrG8.jpg/ Here] is the image isolated. [[User:Andrewj28|Andrewj28]] ([[User talk:Andrewj28|talk]]) 03:27, 26 February 2015 (EST)
:I'm pretty sure it is; similar rear sight, barrels and the side rails. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:02, 26 February 2015 (EST)
::Wow, I never expected to see one of those in a movie. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:20, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Hi guys, It's been a really long time since my last contribution, here I've uploaded for you a couple pictures :-)
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Bautista_Spectre_AF2011-A1.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:AF2011-A1.jpg

I'll leave to you the honor of putting them in the article :-) --[[User:Purifier|Purifier]]
:Thanks for the images, added them to the page. On a side note, what a god awful monstrosity! --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 18:27, 26 February 2015 (GMT)
::For the times when you just can't have two separate pistols :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 14:10, 26 February 2015 (EST)
Two new screenshots from today's video blog. Another shot of the [http://i.imgur.com/yHuPyKd.jpg/ AF2011] and Bond with a [http://i.imgur.com/Nmik1qt.jpg/ PPK or PPK/S] [[User:Andrewj28|Andrewj28]] ([[User talk:Andrewj28|talk]]) 16:25, 26 February 2015 (EST)

==PPK==
For crying out loud, enough with the PPK already! --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 16:39, 26 February 2015 (EST)
:The 007 connection is arguably the only reason why the PPK is still in production, right? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:47, 26 February 2015 (EST)

::Agreed, never seen the PPK as more than a backup weapon, they started to go in the right direction with the P99 in Tomorrow Never Dies onwards, and even more in the right direction by having him carry a Sig Quantum of Solace, even if it was one he captured and not actually issued to him, would like to see them leave the PPK behind and issue him with a Sig permanently. I honestly think they won't do it because all the fans of "Classic Bond" will have a god damn conniption fit that things are changing, and cry that they will boycott the films until the PPK makes a return. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 22:20, 26 February 2015 (GMT)
:::The man's still a secret agent, and he has to carry something that won't print while wearing a tailored suit. That said, I'm surprised Walther hasn't pushed the PPS on the franchise yet. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:42, 26 February 2015 (EST)
::::Yeah in situations like going under cover in a party I can understand it, but there have been time he has gone into full engagements with the PPK, which isn't exactly the best idea. - [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 00:58, 27 February 2015 (GMT)
:::::Do we beat up on 007's horrible choice of weapons every time a new Bond film comes out, or did it just start with Skyfall? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 20:22, 26 February 2015 (EST)
::::::I normally like to have a little moan before every release, but this is my first one on this website, usually it's just me and my friends, good times - [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 03:17, 27 February 2015 (GMT)
While I don't mind a little change for a good reason, change for the sake of change is hardly a good thing. And for me, that was all the switch to the P99 was. The PPK has its merits for who and what Bond is, more than that though, it's iconic, part of what makes 007 as we've seen and known him. Changing that just for sake of having something different would be a mistake. It'd be like switching Dirty Harry's Model 29 for a .357 Snub, even though there's more an argument for the change and ''less'' for keeping it the same, in terms of practicality as opposed to Bond's PPK. Again, it's a part of the franchise, the gun is as much a character as Bond himself in that regard. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:47, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Walther does not have any real pull on the Bond franchise.Craig's suits in the film aren't even fitte for a gun. a still from Skyfall's gunfight in the Instanbul square shows Craig's shoulder holster printing badly. Frankly,if we look at Craig's gunfights in his Bond films, the weapon his Bond does best with is the Glock 17 in Skyfall, and one handed at that. It seems as if Bond&Co. have had a gun pick up brand in each of the Craig films:Browning HP,Sig P226in QOS,and the Glock in Skyfall. At least Craig's Bond picks up loose guns :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 02:54, 27 February 2015 (EST)
:Besides with an IWB holster it is even easier to hide a compact or even a full size pistol under a suit jacket, but ideally you don't wanna be grabbing any which pistol from the ground to use, if he was to take a pistol that suits the situation better (ideally one that holds more than 8-10 rounds), he wouldn't have to be grabbing pistols that are kept in god knows what condition off hapless chumps, and then have less risk of the weapon jamming on him and taking a hollow point between the eyes, (and yes I know that wouldn't happen because this is a movie, but in reality you'd be surprised how many idiots don't clean there weapons on a regular basis, once had a friend whose Hi-Power wouldn't even cycle because of all the crap inside it, he had to manually work the slide after every shot and he had no idea why) - [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 14:49, 27 February 2015 (GMT)

We all know why it has to have a PPK. It's so iconic that you can't have a Bond spy movie without the PPK. It' pretty much a sin. Yeah for a modern day practical purposes, he should have other guns. In one of the books, his favorite is actually the ASP [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:12, 27 February 2015 (EST)
: The ASP is arguably ''worse'' than the PPK. Sure its 9x19, but it doesn't really have sights and spare parts will be impossible to come by. Why can't British writers do guns decently?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2015 (EST)
:: Totally agree that the PPK isn't suitable for the kind of adventures Bond get himself into. Real life secret agents use them precisely because they are NOT like bond. They don't shoot often and need maximum discretion. Bond practically announces himself everywhere he goes and shoots very often. As for the ASP, its design has become too dated, and there are many other firearms that can replace it. The Glock 26, Walther CCP, Beretta Px4 Storm, Sig P938, etc. are all excellent compact designs in 9mm with good firepower. Some of them even have nice flowing lines to boot. But for serious gunfighters, they will probably use a larger pistol such as the P99 or Glock 19.

Talk:Skyfall

2012-08-02T05:11:15Z

Phils301: /* Bond's main gun */

==Bond's main gun==

I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

same. maybe the SIG or he pulls a [[Collateral]] with the [[Heckler & Koch USP]]--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.

:Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)

If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in [[:File:Usairforce.jpg|This shot]]. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)

I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)

In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).

The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:"he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.

Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)

I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)

While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :)
Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

I don't know if you folks have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU
It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years. [[User:APS221|APS221]] 00:47, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

They should follow Jeffery Deaver's advice and choose the gun from the book Carte Blanche, the book that was going to be adapted into this film originally. Shame it's not going to be-the gun's a Walther PPS .40 S&W. It betters the PPK in calibers and capacity (if you either have an extended magazine or choose 9mm instead of .40 calibre.), and matches it exactly on size. Also, I believe Bond should have a larger handgun inside his vehicle and for use on covert operations. The PP9, while Bond has been using it before and it has a good capacity, is outdated and still a 9mm. I believe it should be a full-sized handgun, still a Walther, maybe the P22 .22 LR, as it is quieter suppressed than the 9mm PP9. I'm not sure weather .22 LR is more or less powerful than 9mm though...anyone? As for the Bond gun debating, it's never going to stop completely. If Bond books and films carry on being made for hundreds more years, better and more concealable guns in better calibers with better suppressors will become available, and people like us will always disagree with the choice, unless the people in charge of firearms choosing at the Bond films come across this site and choose what we say, which is unlikely. The PPK, whilst good in it's day, is severly outdated (it's nearly twice as old as the actor holding it!), the caliber is ineffective compared to the .40 S&W at penetration and damage, and the PPS can be suppressed just as effectively with modern suppressor technology, compared to the .380 ACP with WWII suppressor technology, and is the same size exactly-Walther claim so themselves. However, the big cheeses at the Bond office just see the PPK not as ineffective, or underpowered, or old, but as a symbol of Bond. I think we may have to put up with it for many years to come, until either they see some sense or are fired. I'm sure Boothroyd's turning in his grave. Alasdair.

The thing with Bond is that he needs to use a gun with decent size caliber. If I would choose a new gun for Bond, I would choose the Kimber Warrior, which is meant for marksmen like Bond. Glocks are good, but are not suited for Bond. The Walther P99 as of the guns Bond has used is the best one that he has used. --[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 10:31, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I want to see him with a PPS or something like that. The PPK is nice, but this isn't Ian Flemming's bond anymore. He is a more realistic action hero. A PPS in a IWB holster with a P99 or PPQ in his car. I like Craig as Bond because he is more gritty and honestly, less of a man whore. I have experience with a PPS and I think Bond would too.--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:25, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm a huge fan of the Walther, and i would love to see him use his P99 again, i got a replica of it myself and it's really good. Especially is a Vega Holster!

In the book "Devil May Care", Bond looses his PPK frequently and is mostly seen using, of all things an [[M1911]]. That would be pretty cool. [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 14:55, 8 April 2012 (EST)

While I maintain my opinion that the PPK, properly supplemented at appropriate times like in Quantum, is the only gun for Bond, I am sympathetic to the argument that he should be equipped with a more modern weapon. Therefore, I nominate the new SIG SAUER P224. It is of an appropriate size (unlike the Walther P99), has the proven professional pedigree of the P220/226 line, is of high quality (unlike the poor reputation-dogged Walther), isn’t the everyone’s gun the GLOCK is, and has some style and panache that the PPS, GLOCK, USP, and their polymer look-alikes lack. I would prefer 9mm for an agent operating worldwide, but the P224 is available in .40 and .357 SIG (now that’s a serious caliber). --[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 23:01, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

:Of course the big problem with a non-Walther gun is that apparently the franchise has a fairly nice sponsorship deal going with Carl Walther GmbH. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:09, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

If the franchise has a big sponsorship with Walther, then why don't Walther make a gun especially designed for James Bond? It could be tailored to meet his needs (suggestions as to what they might be, please), and then they could release it for sale to the public. They'd make a fortune by selling it to James Bond fans, and serious shooters if it was very good. Q could make a big deal in-film about how good it is, and how Walther have made it especially for him. Good idea? Alasdair.

:Well, because imagine the PR when the gun made specially for James Bond is used to hold up a bank, they'd never hear the end of it, nevermind the kind of "MGM is arming our kids!" nonsense they'd get anyway. That and if you're a gun company exec and someone pitches that idea to you, your first reply would be "why not just have him use something we already make?" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:55, 10 April 2012 (CDT)

The whole debate about whether he should be using a PPK should be treated in the same way as whether it is realistic for Bond to engage in so many scuffles in nice, taper-fit Tom Ford suits and Church leather shoes. The cut is simply unrealistic for someone who wishes to conceal serious firepower. Given his obvious fondness for the Italian cut in his suits, it is fitting that Daniel Craig/James Bond should choose the PPK instead of the P99 he had used in the first movie, but, alas, such weapons remained adequate today for a Walter Mitty who would not see much more action. Since the 1970s, an operator carrying a PPK would simply not be taken seriously by fellow professionals, and would be laughed out of the Special Forces Club. A serious operator would simply rather wear a suit with the horrendous sack-like American cut, than do without a true combat pistol.

A former SBS operator would really be more likely to carry a SiG-Sauer P226. He might sacrifice two rounds to save 0.1 inch of butt length by carrying the P228, but someone who really means to can conceal either under a suit jacket. Even women operators could conceal a Heckler and Koch MP5K under their jacket. So the producer or director really missed a chance here to turn James Bond from being a mere walking advertisement for luxury brands to a more serious character (like back in Casino Royale).

Oh, by the way, using an Olympic Arms K23B is the ultimate mark of un-seriousness in a professional. Someone get that girl a HK 416.

:One word for you - TRADITION. Bond's always used a PPK (except in the first few novels), it's pretty much his signature gun. I'm glad they've gone back to it over the P99, which just never had the same classic feel to it.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 10:45, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

Of course. But that still means that the more edgy and realistic Daniel Craig reboot, which started so promisingly in Casino Royale, has now officially gone off the rails and U-turned back into cheesy entertainment territory. If that's the case, please give me back Pierce Brosnan's easy charm, Roger Moore's humour, or Sean Connery sheer animal charisma, not Daniel Craig's brooding sulkiness.

== What Happened??? ==

In [[Casino Royale (2006)]], Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

You mean the footchase at Tower Hill? Maybe, and correct me if i'm wrong he just shot someone....

I'm pretty sure Bond was chasing/shooting at someone so that would explain it [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:38, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

==CO19 holster weapons==

The lads from CO19 seem too have a Glock in their holsters. The norm for police carrying sidearms in the UK is a Glock 17, so its safe too assume that they are also Glock 17s.

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Several of the Bond forums have photo threads and their are images of the armourer hand the CO19 actors Glock 17s and G36s.

Regards,
Tecolote

==Trailer unknown gun==

The teaser trailer dropped today, and I have clocked an unknown gun around 1:11. It is scoped and suppressed, but I am unable too identify it. Can someone have a look and possibly screencap it? Cheers lads

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:It was an odd looking thing, whatever it is. It is mostly in shadow but you get one good whole weapon shot of it when there is a flash of light:
:[[File:Skyfall sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:I think if it is a real gun it is highly modified. My guess would be that it is a covert gun that passes as something else (like the [[(Day of the Jackal) - Custom Sniper Rifle|Day of the Jackal]] rifle), as the trigger is a random metal loop, and that vertical part is not a magazine, but appears to fold down from the front as a sort of monopod. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:06, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

It is some type of bolt action for sure,and definitely a covert job.
Regards,
Tecolote

The bolt looks like something off of an Accuracy International rifle.--[[User:6pulkpancerna|6pulkpancerna]] 11:37, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Thanks, I should have known that as I was examining an AI in .300Win. the day before yesterday.

Regards,

Tecolote

I would say its a grease gun--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:26, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

:It deffinitely has nothing to do with an M3, as it is a bolt action feeding from a rifle size magazine (in the trailer it clearly shows the magazine being inserted into the rifle). The large vertical part appears to be a hand grip or support strut of some sort and is not a magazine. As for it being an Accuracy International I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think it is. First off the bolt stem on an AI AW curves backwards, and the bolt on this is straight. Also, the bolt is too far forward from the front of the weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:28, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I was just kinda throwing it out there. If it is a M3, it looks like it is highly customized. But now I know it is not a M3.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 17:10, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

I don't think we'll be able to tell just from this. It looks almost like a custom mockup built around a real weapon. Hell, considering the unusual trigger, box-shaped suppressor, and various almost unrecognizable bits and pieces, it could very well be a completely inert prop with CGI firing. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 20:36, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

It could be a prototype weapon where the design has not been released to the general public. Otherwise, it is just a complete custom mockup.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 21:40, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

looking at the bolt area and where the stock attaches, my money would be on it being a PGM Ultima Ratio, obviously heavily mocked up, but impossible to say for sure without more pics - TheSpannaMunkee
== Additional images to be Id'ed ==

These are some more images from the trailer. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:16, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

In order: 1. Bond's PPK, which he promptly reloads

2. I assume his HK416 during his house shootout

3. The strange mock-up seen above

4. A Glock, or possibly a SIG? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 01:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

[[File:SkyF 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I'm hoping the gun in that last image is a P99 [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
::Number 4 isn't a Glock and I don't think it's a SIG either, it looks to have a slide mounted safety like a Beretta 92FS but the front profile makes me think it's some sort of Browning variant. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:22, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

The gun on the last picture looks like a P99 to me...But a 92FS isn't a crazy thought, maybe he picked it up from a Silva tug or something..

I'm inclined to think either Browning or 1911 variant --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:07, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:I reckon it's probably some sort of Browning or 1911 variant, the frame looks too long to be a P99. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:48, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
I've taken a new screencap of the silhouette of the strange SMG thing he has, the best I could find. It looks vaguely like the silhouette of a MAT-49, though I doubt that's what it is. Hope it helps nonetheless: http://i49.tinypic.com/359ecl3.png [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:43, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:Look a couble of sections up and you will see a cap of it in the light, where you can see it is actually cuilt on (if anything) a bolt action rifle. What you are seeing as a long SMG magazine is a cosmetic thing stuck on the weapon which appears to be folded forward for storage. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:05, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

You know, i guess it's maybe a H&K USP because it looks like it so much
:Number 4 could be a HK USP actually. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:28, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
Haha, someone who's agreed with me ;)
:Sign your posts though. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:42, 24 May 2012 (CDT)
All right, will do. --[[User:Walther_arms|walther_arms]]

== trailer weapons ==

seen the new trailer bad guy seems to have custom take down sniper rifle fits with the mytos of the films allso looks like bond goes back to the p99 all i have seen is a bad blurry image but the trigger guard is defeniatly not a ppk jump in any one who can clear this up--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:49, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

ok the courtyard gun in the trailer 1 got a better look at it seems to be a glock 17 --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:46, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgr2syY_OU4&feature=youtu.be --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 09:58, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

:Awesome!! Just wanted to point out that there is also a slightly different US version, also viewable on the jamesbond007 channel on YouTube. I don't know about you guys, but I think this has some serious potential...--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:54, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== Signature Walther PPK ==

a pistol Signature gun that only 007 can use did they not use this in license to kill in 1989 at least they upgraded the caliber to .380 acp (9mm x 17mm short) which is slightly better than the .32 acp (7.65x17mm) that was used in the books and films--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 14:51, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Kinda. In License to Kill it was a sniper rifle disguised as a camera that was the gun that required a palm scan, not the Walther PPK [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 19:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Skyfall

2012-08-01T15:16:25Z

Phils301: /* Bond's main gun */

==Bond's main gun==

I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

same. maybe the SIG or he pulls a [[Collateral]] with the [[Heckler & Koch USP]]--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.

:Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)

If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in [[:File:Usairforce.jpg|This shot]]. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)

I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)

In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).

The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:"he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.

Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)

I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)

While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :)
Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

I don't know if you folks have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU
It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years. [[User:APS221|APS221]] 00:47, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

They should follow Jeffery Deaver's advice and choose the gun from the book Carte Blanche, the book that was going to be adapted into this film originally. Shame it's not going to be-the gun's a Walther PPS .40 S&W. It betters the PPK in calibers and capacity (if you either have an extended magazine or choose 9mm instead of .40 calibre.), and matches it exactly on size. Also, I believe Bond should have a larger handgun inside his vehicle and for use on covert operations. The PP9, while Bond has been using it before and it has a good capacity, is outdated and still a 9mm. I believe it should be a full-sized handgun, still a Walther, maybe the P22 .22 LR, as it is quieter suppressed than the 9mm PP9. I'm not sure weather .22 LR is more or less powerful than 9mm though...anyone? As for the Bond gun debating, it's never going to stop completely. If Bond books and films carry on being made for hundreds more years, better and more concealable guns in better calibers with better suppressors will become available, and people like us will always disagree with the choice, unless the people in charge of firearms choosing at the Bond films come across this site and choose what we say, which is unlikely. The PPK, whilst good in it's day, is severly outdated (it's nearly twice as old as the actor holding it!), the caliber is ineffective compared to the .40 S&W at penetration and damage, and the PPS can be suppressed just as effectively with modern suppressor technology, compared to the .380 ACP with WWII suppressor technology, and is the same size exactly-Walther claim so themselves. However, the big cheeses at the Bond office just see the PPK not as ineffective, or underpowered, or old, but as a symbol of Bond. I think we may have to put up with it for many years to come, until either they see some sense or are fired. I'm sure Boothroyd's turning in his grave. Alasdair.

The thing with Bond is that he needs to use a gun with decent size caliber. If I would choose a new gun for Bond, I would choose the Kimber Warrior, which is meant for marksmen like Bond. Glocks are good, but are not suited for Bond. The Walther P99 as of the guns Bond has used is the best one that he has used. --[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 10:31, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I want to see him with a PPS or something like that. The PPK is nice, but this isn't Ian Flemming's bond anymore. He is a more realistic action hero. A PPS in a IWB holster with a P99 or PPQ in his car. I like Craig as Bond because he is more gritty and honestly, less of a man whore. I have experience with a PPS and I think Bond would too.--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:25, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm a huge fan of the Walther, and i would love to see him use his P99 again, i got a replica of it myself and it's really good. Especially is a Vega Holster!

In the book "Devil May Care", Bond looses his PPK frequently and is mostly seen using, of all things an [[M1911]]. That would be pretty cool. [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 14:55, 8 April 2012 (EST)

While I maintain my opinion that the PPK, properly supplemented at appropriate times like in Quantum, is the only gun for Bond, I am sympathetic to the argument that he should be equipped with a more modern weapon. Therefore, I nominate the new SIG SAUER P224. It is of an appropriate size (unlike the Walther P99), has the proven professional pedigree of the P220/226 line, is of high quality (unlike the poor reputation-dogged Walther), isn’t the everyone’s gun the GLOCK is, and has some style and panache that the PPS, GLOCK, USP, and their polymer look-alikes lack. I would prefer 9mm for an agent operating worldwide, but the P224 is available in .40 and .357 SIG (now that’s a serious caliber). --[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 23:01, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

:Of course the big problem with a non-Walther gun is that apparently the franchise has a fairly nice sponsorship deal going with Carl Walther GmbH. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:09, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

If the franchise has a big sponsorship with Walther, then why don't Walther make a gun especially designed for James Bond? It could be tailored to meet his needs (suggestions as to what they might be, please), and then they could release it for sale to the public. They'd make a fortune by selling it to James Bond fans, and serious shooters if it was very good. Q could make a big deal in-film about how good it is, and how Walther have made it especially for him. Good idea? Alasdair.

:Well, because imagine the PR when the gun made specially for James Bond is used to hold up a bank, they'd never hear the end of it, nevermind the kind of "MGM is arming our kids!" nonsense they'd get anyway. That and if you're a gun company exec and someone pitches that idea to you, your first reply would be "why not just have him use something we already make?" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:55, 10 April 2012 (CDT)

The whole debate about whether he should be using a PPK should be treated in the same way as whether it is realistic for Bond to engage in so many scuffles in nice, taper-fit Tom Ford suits and Church leather shoes. The cut is simply unrealistic for someone who wishes to conceal serious firepower. Given his obvious fondness for the Italian cut in his suits, it is fitting that Daniel Craig/James Bond should choose the PPK instead of the P99 he had used in the first movie, but, alas, such weapons remained adequate today for a Walter Mitty who would not see much more action. Since the 1970s, an operator carrying a PPK would simply not be taken seriously by fellow professionals, and would be laughed out of the Special Forces Club. A serious operator would simply rather wear a suit with the horrendous sack-like American cut, than do without a true combat pistol.

A former SBS operator would really be more likely to carry a SiG-Sauer P226. He might sacrifice two rounds to save 0.1 inch of butt length by carrying the P228, but someone who really means to can conceal either under a suit jacket. Even women operators could conceal a Heckler and Koch MP5K under their jacket. So the producer or director really missed a chance here to turn James Bond from being a mere walking advertisement for luxury brands to a more serious character (like back in Casino Royale).

Oh, by the way, using an Olympic Arms K23B is the ultimate mark of un-seriousness in a professional. Someone get that girl a HK 416.

== What Happened??? ==

In [[Casino Royale (2006)]], Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

You mean the footchase at Tower Hill? Maybe, and correct me if i'm wrong he just shot someone....

I'm pretty sure Bond was chasing/shooting at someone so that would explain it [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:38, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

==CO19 holster weapons==

The lads from CO19 seem too have a Glock in their holsters. The norm for police carrying sidearms in the UK is a Glock 17, so its safe too assume that they are also Glock 17s.

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Several of the Bond forums have photo threads and their are images of the armourer hand the CO19 actors Glock 17s and G36s.

Regards,
Tecolote

==Trailer unknown gun==

The teaser trailer dropped today, and I have clocked an unknown gun around 1:11. It is scoped and suppressed, but I am unable too identify it. Can someone have a look and possibly screencap it? Cheers lads

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:It was an odd looking thing, whatever it is. It is mostly in shadow but you get one good whole weapon shot of it when there is a flash of light:
:[[File:Skyfall sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:I think if it is a real gun it is highly modified. My guess would be that it is a covert gun that passes as something else (like the [[(Day of the Jackal) - Custom Sniper Rifle|Day of the Jackal]] rifle), as the trigger is a random metal loop, and that vertical part is not a magazine, but appears to fold down from the front as a sort of monopod. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:06, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

It is some type of bolt action for sure,and definitely a covert job.
Regards,
Tecolote

The bolt looks like something off of an Accuracy International rifle.--[[User:6pulkpancerna|6pulkpancerna]] 11:37, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Thanks, I should have known that as I was examining an AI in .300Win. the day before yesterday.

Regards,

Tecolote

I would say its a grease gun--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:26, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

:It deffinitely has nothing to do with an M3, as it is a bolt action feeding from a rifle size magazine (in the trailer it clearly shows the magazine being inserted into the rifle). The large vertical part appears to be a hand grip or support strut of some sort and is not a magazine. As for it being an Accuracy International I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think it is. First off the bolt stem on an AI AW curves backwards, and the bolt on this is straight. Also, the bolt is too far forward from the front of the weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:28, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I was just kinda throwing it out there. If it is a M3, it looks like it is highly customized. But now I know it is not a M3.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 17:10, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

I don't think we'll be able to tell just from this. It looks almost like a custom mockup built around a real weapon. Hell, considering the unusual trigger, box-shaped suppressor, and various almost unrecognizable bits and pieces, it could very well be a completely inert prop with CGI firing. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 20:36, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

It could be a prototype weapon where the design has not been released to the general public. Otherwise, it is just a complete custom mockup.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 21:40, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

looking at the bolt area and where the stock attaches, my money would be on it being a PGM Ultima Ratio, obviously heavily mocked up, but impossible to say for sure without more pics - TheSpannaMunkee
== Additional images to be Id'ed ==

These are some more images from the trailer. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:16, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

In order: 1. Bond's PPK, which he promptly reloads

2. I assume his HK416 during his house shootout

3. The strange mock-up seen above

4. A Glock, or possibly a SIG? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 01:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

[[File:SkyF 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I'm hoping the gun in that last image is a P99 [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
::Number 4 isn't a Glock and I don't think it's a SIG either, it looks to have a slide mounted safety like a Beretta 92FS but the front profile makes me think it's some sort of Browning variant. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:22, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

The gun on the last picture looks like a P99 to me...But a 92FS isn't a crazy thought, maybe he picked it up from a Silva tug or something..

I'm inclined to think either Browning or 1911 variant --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:07, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:I reckon it's probably some sort of Browning or 1911 variant, the frame looks too long to be a P99. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:48, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
I've taken a new screencap of the silhouette of the strange SMG thing he has, the best I could find. It looks vaguely like the silhouette of a MAT-49, though I doubt that's what it is. Hope it helps nonetheless: http://i49.tinypic.com/359ecl3.png [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:43, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:Look a couble of sections up and you will see a cap of it in the light, where you can see it is actually cuilt on (if anything) a bolt action rifle. What you are seeing as a long SMG magazine is a cosmetic thing stuck on the weapon which appears to be folded forward for storage. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:05, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

You know, i guess it's maybe a H&K USP because it looks like it so much
:Number 4 could be a HK USP actually. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:28, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
Haha, someone who's agreed with me ;)
:Sign your posts though. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:42, 24 May 2012 (CDT)
All right, will do. --[[User:Walther_arms|walther_arms]]

== trailer weapons ==

seen the new trailer bad guy seems to have custom take down sniper rifle fits with the mytos of the films allso looks like bond goes back to the p99 all i have seen is a bad blurry image but the trigger guard is defeniatly not a ppk jump in any one who can clear this up--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:49, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

ok the courtyard gun in the trailer 1 got a better look at it seems to be a glock 17 --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:46, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgr2syY_OU4&feature=youtu.be --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 09:58, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

:Awesome!! Just wanted to point out that there is also a slightly different US version, also viewable on the jamesbond007 channel on YouTube. I don't know about you guys, but I think this has some serious potential...--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:54, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== Signature Walther PPK ==

a pistol Signature gun that only 007 can use did they not use this in license to kill in 1989 at least they upgraded the caliber to .380 acp (9mm x 17mm short) which is slightly better than the .32 acp (7.65x17mm) that was used in the books and films--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 14:51, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Kinda. In License to Kill it was a sniper rifle disguised as a camera that was the gun that required a palm scan, not the Walther PPK [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 19:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)