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Talk:Carcano Rifle Series

2013-01-31T22:31:33Z

Phalanx: /* Oswald */

:Because I'm not the only one on here who thinks the JFK assassination was a bogus cover up, I took a Carcano rifle and tried to rack the action and dry fire it three times in four seconds. Could hardly do it. Now try doing that with live ammunition (causing kick), aim 300yds away at a moving target and try that. This guy was trained in the Marines but even they aren't that good. It's more logical to assume some government officials (or hitmen) were taking shots with M14s at him from the grass knoll. But not to start contreversy or anything, I'm just throwing that out there. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Without starting controversy myself...I haven't read too much into the theories about it being a cover-up, but is it really so hard to believe that some communist loser would kill Kennedy? I've always thought the JFK conspiracy theories were the sort of thing that leftists, who can't accept that JFK was killed by one of their own, would concoct for the sake of their own bullshit world view. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

::Are you trying to say that leftists are communists?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Not at all. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm just looking at it from a logical point of view. Plus, didn't they find like seven bullets in him? Although three were accounted for, the magic bullet theory makes it possible to believe a guy can have seven bullets in him from three rounds (I think that's what that was about but I'm not an expert on the subject). And the government wouldn't allows the mortician to examine certain things. I always thought the ordeal stunk with conspiracy. I'm not a leftist or a communist, but I just see the holes and it makes me suspicious. Of all these things, the gun problem I mentioned above is my strongest belief of a cover up. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::: The weirdest thing about this page is that we have this discussion of JFK's murder, a mention of it on the actual page, and no metion of the Oliver Stone movie. [[Special:Contributions/59.100.119.10|59.100.119.10]] 02:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: The weirdest thing is why would someone won't believe that some crazy nut killed the president but instead some government hitmen. Why would they do that? Gods knows why. Some say it was Israel, some say it was the soviets, some the cuban government and some don't even know why. I say it was Lee Harvey Oswald a former United States Marine that was trained on the [[M1 Garand]]. I know that thinking about a deep conspiracy and letting your imagination run wild is better than thinking a lone 24 year old communist sympathizer could kill the president of the united states of america with a italian rifle made in 1940 alone, all by himself could kill the most powerful person in the world back then in 1963. From what i know about president's Kennedy assassination, they found two bullets in him, one to the head and one to back. The bullet to the head was fatal. I don't believe that president Kennedy was killed by anyone other than Lee Harvey Oswald. John, i come from Brazil, a country that suffered a coup d'état in 1964 which the United States government took part so a conspiracy is not too far out there especially during the cold war but to ignore clear evidence that JFK was shoot and killed by Lee Harvey Oswald is stupid. I don't want to offend you John but i find all conspiracy theorys stupid.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 03:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Haliburton had him killed because he was going to pull us out of 'Nam, which was netting Haliburton tons of money in gov't contracts. They used Oswald as a patsy and had Jack Ruby kill him so he wouldn't talk (Ruby was dying from cancer and he didn't give a shit if he was in jail for the last few months of his life). Plus it couldn't have JUST been Oswald shooting because too many shots were fired in too little time. In addition, The Carcarno is a piss poor rifle and Oswald couldn't have shot Kennedy in the back from his position-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 06:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
::No guys, you don't get it. JFK was killed by the New World Order who were working for the Lizard Overlords that control all existance. They iced Kennedy because he was fucking around Vietnam and Nam is the one of the Homes of the Lizard Overlords. They also worked alongside Castro so he could get revenge from the Bay of Pigs incident. Castro is also the Satan himself. The Italian Mob also 5 trillion Lizard Dollars to the Lizard Overlords so they could waste JFK because they hated Kennedy because he was Irish. Obama also travelled back in time using the Delorean with the Help of Doc Brown and killed Kennedy Himself using his Lucifer Powers. Satan and Lucifer are also different people by the way.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh my god! You're a genious! Someone call the CIA-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 17:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I knew the Doc was in on it!--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.185.189|74.177.185.189]] 18:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The Libyans made him do it! He jacked their plutinoum! [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:34, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Am I the only one here who is a skeptic? --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 04:49, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

All you guys are wrong! There was a single, magic bullet forged by Illuminati mystics who had been hired by Joe DiMaggio to take out Kennedy in revenge for his part in Marilyn Monroe's death! Oswald was just some jerk who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. - [[User: 2wingo]]

== Oswald ==

In all seriousness there is one thing about Oswald that has always bugged me. In the 1950's the U.S. government was busy destroying people who had dated girls who got them to go to a Communist party meeting in the 1930's when they were in college. We know that those young guys didn't give a shit about the Communists. They were just wanting to have sex and would have gone to a Tupperware meeting if they thought that was what it would take. Nevertheless twenty years later those same guys are getting destroyed by McCarthy and HCUAC. They were going after janitors who might have known somebody who once expressed sympathies for the Communists for crying out loud. It was a witch hunt after all. Unreasoning and dangerous.

So then we have Oswald who defects to the Soviet Union during this time period and then returns a few years later ''married'' to the daughter of a Soviet general.A soviet general who was a big shot in their missile command! And what happens to him? Nothing. He's free, no prison time, no trials for treason, his wife isn't detained (evidently) buying guns and handing out all types of bizzaro literature on the streets of New Orleans and hanging out with half-baked revolutionaries. Huh? I don't claim to have a handle on any type of conspiracy regarding the assassination, but doesn't that whole Oswald situation strike anybody as being really strange? All out of step with what was happening in the United States in the 1950's. That's my one major observation.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 11:21, 31 January 2013 (EST)

Where are you getting your sources from? Marina Prusakova's father died during WWII. Her stepfather was a Colonel, not a General, and he was responsible for internal security in Belarus. He didn't have anything to do with missile command. Also, I think you're severely exaggerating the proportions of the "witch hunt" you're describing. Yes there were crackdowns, but nothing like on the scale you suggest. If that were so, wouldn't the "half-baked revolutionaries" you're citing all be in prison?

Also, to the guy who said that because he couldn't dry-fire a Carcano rifle 3 times in four seconds then Oswald definitely couldn't have, your reasoning is seriously, seriously flawed. Maybe you're just not that good of a shot. You certainly weren't familiar with that weapons platform, and hadn't practised extensively with it. You probably don't have military training, which Oswald did. That's like me saying that because I can't hit a target with an M2 Browning at 2500 yards, Hatchcock's shot is impossible. Well, it's not, and he made it. For reference, here's an average Joe on the range pumping out 6 shots in 5 seconds with a Carcano rifle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4c5Zr7hzzA - Phalanx

You are right. I was mistaken about his father-in-law. But the communist witch hunt in the 1950's was bad here in the states. They were going after screenwriters, novelists and actors among others. Not all of them were spies for the Russians. So why was it that Oswald was allowed to return after defecting without any reprecussions? And then preceed to engage in activity that would have gotten other people arrested. In the atmosphere of the time the fact that he might not have committed any crimes seems irrelevant. My point is that Oswald seems to have been an interesting subject and it does seem possible that perhaps he was some type of patsy. A setup to take attention off of other details. At least for awhile.

Now my question to you. Why are you so hostile in your posting? Relax. We're all having fun here.I was simply speculating. Not trying to start an arguemnt. Please keep that in mind. Thank you.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 17:17, 31 January 2013 (EST)

Not hostile in the slightest. Apologies if it came off that way. - Phalanx

Talk:Carcano Rifle Series

2013-01-31T18:00:01Z

Phalanx: /* Oswald */

Talk:Soldiers of Fortune

2013-01-29T01:44:26Z

Phalanx:

I just watched this movie and thought I'd start this page up seeing as it has a lot of guns in it. Feel free to add to it!

Dear God this was a bad movie. That monstrosity that Ving Rhames carries made me cringe every time I saw it, possibly the worst attempt at making a gun "tacticool" (including Slater's very obviously airsoft MP5K with silencer, ANPEQ, and scope, because screw you, that's a sensible weapon for a lone Delta operator to have behind enemy lines) I have ever seen. Why in God's name it has an AR carrying handle mounted midway along the barrel shroud, Christ only knows. And what looks like about three different handguards, stacked.

Also, at one point James Cromwell's character fires multiple shots with what looks like a Browning BAR .338 Safari, since he's meant to be the ultimate big game hunter, yet despite the BAR being, very obviously, semi-auto, he racks the bolt every single shot he makes. Cringe. - Phalanx

== Please help ID these guns. ==

Please help ID these guns. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:34, 14 January 2013 (EST)

[[File:SOF12_13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|It's supposed to be an MP5K, but there's a bolt where it's not supposed to be. It's seen firing, so not a replica.]]
:Given the size and shape of the magazine, maybe a vismodded PPS-43? I know they vismodded PPS-43s into MP5s in the past. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:19, 14 January 2013 (EST)
::Could it be a slightly modified [[Blow Crazy]] blank fire only gun?[[File:BLOW CRAZY.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Blow Crazy - 9mm P.A.K. blanks]]It doesn't have that ribbed part behind the forward grip, but the proportions and those metal lugs (don't know what they are) on the side of the receiver seem to be a match. Another possible indicator is the fact that the suppressor is in front of the cocking tube position rather than the barrel, as on the Blow Crazy the barrel is incorrectly mounted in the cocking tube position. However, as in the first screenshot the suppressor is in the correct position and there is no sign of the muzzle at the end of the cocking tube, so am guessing this is an Airsoft replica. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:05, 14 January 2013 (EST)

[[File:SOF12_32.jpg|thumb|none|600px|BAR Safari?]]
[[File:SOF12_53.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:[[CZ-75B]]? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:21, 14 January 2013 (EST)
[[File:SOF12_36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The UZI type on the left.]]
[[File:SOF12_30.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP5K-type SMG on the left.]]

Just realised another thing about that faux-tacticool monstrosity that Ving Rhames wields, the shrouded barrel on which the M16 carry handle is affixed is actually NOT the barrel at all. If you look at the shot where the barrel's shown clearly, you can see the PKM's actual barrel below it, and the fact that the top barrel isn't connected to the receiver of the gun at all, and is misaligned anyway. That just makes it even worse. WHY GIVE IT TWO BARRELS? Why not just put the shroud over the barrel itself, if you wanted to vismod it? Who was the armourer on this film, a COD-fanfiction writer? - Phalanx

Talk:The Grey

2013-01-21T16:39:32Z

Phalanx:

==Question==
At the beginning Liam does a suicide bid by going outside and placing the barrel of his rifle into his mouth. Wouldn't it freeze to his tongue like the flagpole scene in ''A Christmas Story''?[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 06:24, 22 February 2012 (CST)

:I believe it would depend on how cold the barrel was; you said that he goes outside to do this, so it's possible that the barrel was still warm enough that his saliva wouldn't freeze on contact. In any case, I think that would be the last thing someone contemplating suicide would be worrying about. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 11:42, 22 February 2012 (CST)

== ottway's rifle is actually a remington 700 s.a that looks to be a 308 or some short magnum . ==

--[[User:Dalemac37|Dalemac37]] 23:16, 24 June 2012 (CDT)dalemac37 6/24/2012

== Saw this today ==

Really good movie, not what I expected at all, found it very touching at times and a great story of survival, especially towards the very end. Couple of questions though:

We see Ottway has a case of shotgun shells as well, obviously those AREN'T for his rifle, but it's perfectly logical to assume a dangerous game hunter might have a shotgun loaded with double-ought or solid slug if his main weapon fails or the animal's too close for a decent shot with a scoped rifle... but where the hell did that shotgun go? After the crash, he finds his broken rifle and he finds the shells, but never even bothers looking for the shotgun. He DOES fashion the shells into bangsticks like those scuba divers use against sharks though... Doesn't that technically make them a firearm, or at the very least an explosive, so shouldn't they warrant their own entry?

Also, I really wish they'd shown the rifle with more catastrophic damage, like the bolt being mangled or the barrel bent double. As it is, with only the stock and pistol grip snapped off, I don't see what's to stop him firing it either as is, or jury-rigging it with tape or chord to a piece of wood or wreckage from the plane, sort of like a caveman's masterkey attachment. Sure, it's not going to be accurate or comfortable to shoot, but it's gotta be better than taping pieces of glass to your hands. - Phalanx

Talk:Zero Dark Thirty

2013-01-16T00:07:09Z

Phalanx: /* Title */

==Unknowns==
[[File:ZD30-sniper-1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A SEAL sniper sets up a rifle.]]
Am thinking that is an [[Heckler & Koch HK417]] in a DMR/sniper configuration. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 00:18, 7 January 2013 (EST)

Looks like it to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 11:39, 7 January 2013 (EST)

:Just saw the movie on IMAX last night and I agree that it's gotta be an HK417. ISS appears to have bought a couple of them in the last year (one was used in a recent episode from Season 4 of ''[[NCIS: Los Angeles]]'').

:Also, did anyone notice anything strange about the firearms sound effects during the scene where Maya gets ambushed while leaving her house? The AKs and MP5 used in the scene almost seemed to make a "whistling" sound when fired. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 17:04, 12 January 2013 (EST)

::Eh... I've been tempted, but have held off so far. I heard from a friend back in September that a boycott of the movie was spreading among the SEAL teams (and still gaining strength, from my last conversation with her) over the issue of the production team being given classified information about the raid by the CIA and decided to tack myself onto it. I'll probably see the movie eventually, but most likely not until it's on TV. I'm certainly not going to be putting my bucks into its GR. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:58, 15 January 2013 (EST)

== Title ==
On another note, what exactly does "Zero Dark Thirty" mean? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:59, 15 January 2013 (EST)

"Zero Dark Thirty" refers to the military designation for half past midnight, the time at which, the raid against Osama Bin Laden's compound was launched. On a sidenote, I think you should definitely check the movie out. The scene of the actual raid is one of the most expertly crafted and realistic I've ever seen. Also, as far as I know, the whole "inside information" thing is a myth. - Phalanx

Talk:Soldiers of Fortune

2013-01-14T13:50:04Z

Phalanx:

Talk:Assassin's Creed III

2013-01-12T14:14:37Z

Phalanx: /* Brown Bess */ new section

Yeah I haven't played any of these. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:31, 28 November 2012 (EST)

There was a scene where Connor referred to a man's Brown Bess as a "rifle". [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:20, 28 November 2012 (EST)

== Desmond's pistol training ==

In this game, Desmond spends ten memory sequences in the memories of two ancestors, both of which fire their guns left handed, although Connor uses his primary with his right. After the tenth sequence, (during whcih he becomes completely adept at using their fighting styles), Desmond Miles is called upon to rescue his father in Abstergo. Late in that mission, he takes Daniel Cross' Mark 23 and uses it to rape throught the ranks of Abstergo agents. <br />
(Side note: I think the Mark 23 is the same model Ubisoft used in [[Splinter Cell: Conviction]].)

So before you lamblast me with insults of my stupidity, I thought that since I'm among the experts, I might as well: <br />
In the '''REAL WORLD''', if someone were to train with just single shot pistols long enough to master them and have a very tight grouping, then be put in a high-stress situation with a modern handgun in their off-hand (although Desmond probably now is ambidextrous), would they be able to hit with a high enough accuracy to hit foreheads, hearts, and graze the jugular so the target bleeds out?
[[User:SIGman|SIGman]] ([[User talk:SIGman|talk]]) 09:53, 27 December 2012 (EST)

Personally you would think the modern day assassins would have trained Desmond in modern combat tactics and how to use guns and other things. The fight at Abstergo was so out of place [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:33, 12 January 2013 (EST)

Desmond's only training has been within the Animus, via the memories of Altair, Ezio, and now Conner. I don't think he's been given ''any'' modern training. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:08, 12 January 2013 (EST)

Also, no matter how much you train, it's unlikely in the real world you'll ever achieve "a very tight grouping" with a late-18th-century flintlock pistol, since they're some of the most horrifically inaccurate weapons known to man. At best, you could hope to consistently hit a man-size target at fifteen yards, but anything else would be wishful thinking. - Phalanx

== Flintlock Pistol ==
I think the flintlock pistol is a very anachronistic Harper's Ferry Flintlock: [http://www.cherrys.com/pedpics/s320b.jpg Harper's Ferry Flintlock]. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 20:17, 11 January 2013 (EST)

Seems like a match to me. Also is anyone here familiar with IDing cannons?[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 21:17, 11 January 2013 (EST)

== Brown Bess ==

Just an initial heads-up to say that while the section heading for the Brown Bess correctly identifies it as a musket, it's referred to as a "rifle" in the captions, which it most assuredly is not.

That being said, however, even if it's referred to as a Brown Bess and it would be historically correct for Redcoats and some settlers to have it (though they should have Trade Muskets really), the in-game model is definitely NOT a Brown Bess. Note how it has barrel hoops, something no Brown Bess model (except a replica made by Denix) ever had, and the highly curved stock with decorative brasswork on the buttplate is more reminescent of a sportsman's Pennsylvania/Kentucky Rifle than any military-issue firearm of the period (but no rifle of that type had bayonet lugs or barrel hoops). Frankly that monstrosity looks like a Kentucky Long Rifle had a night of passion with a Charleville 1766 Musket. - Phalanx

Talk:Assassin's Creed III

2013-01-12T14:07:51Z

Phalanx: /* Desmond's pistol training */

Talk:Para-Ordnance 1911 Series

2012-12-22T17:30:58Z

Phalanx: /* Follow-Up Question */

=Additional Variants=
==Screen Used==
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, golden suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:ShootEmUp-HammersonNiteTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac (.45 ACP) used in ''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the engraved Hammerson logo. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
=Discussion=

== "Double-Stack" ==

What exactly does that mean? - [[User: 2wingo]]
:It means that the magazine staggers the rounds contained within, increasing the capacity while keeping the same relative size. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 21:43, 18 December 2012 (EST)
::Well, double stack magazines tend to be wider than single stacks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 01:28, 19 December 2012 (EST)
:::Yeah, I thought me saying "relative" would cover that. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 01:34, 19 December 2012 (EST)

== Follow-Up Question ==

Are double-stacked magazines more prone to jamming than single-stack, or are they about the same? - [[User: 2wingo]]

Nope. Most high-capacity 9mm handguns use double-stack magazines (The Beretta 92 series, all 9mm Glocks and SIG P22etc's). Some .45 pistols, like the H&K MK23 and the Straier Voight Infinity, also do. I'd assume with .45, because it's such a fat round, it's preferable to have single-stack magazines as it makes the profile of the pistol slimmer and easier to hold for all the non gigantically-handed among us. [[User:Phalanx|Phalanx]] ([[User talk:Phalanx|talk]]) 12:30, 22 December 2012 (EST)

Talk:Ussaro Mod 1786

2012-12-08T05:21:11Z