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Talk:Westworld - Season 1

2016-12-28T18:54:46Z

Peelman:

I've had a couple notes that the PX4 is the subcompact, not the compact, can anyone confirm? --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 13:23, 8 December 2016 (EST)

For your examination: --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:11, 8 December 2016 (EST)

[[Image:Px4StormCompact1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Px4 Storm Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Px4StormCompact.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[File:WestS1E07 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Beretta pistol] appears to be drawn by Ashley Stubbs ([[Luke Hemsworth]]) in "Trompe L'Oeil" (S1E07).]]
[[File:WestS1E09 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stubbs draws his pistol in "The Well-Tempered Clavier" (S1E09).]]

:I concur, looks ''more'' like a sub-compact than a standard compact variant. It's still really hard to tell - the two are extremely similar with few obvious differences, but the profile seems to match the subcompact more. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 19:51, 8 December 2016 (EST)

There is one very obvious difference between the Compact and Subcompact (I own a full size Px4, and studied them immensely prior to making that purchase); the Compact uses the same rotating cam barrel mechanism as its full size sibling. The Sub-compact does not, using a tilt-barrel system like many other semi-auto pistols. Compare slides on both in those pictures above, then look at the screen captures. To me its apparent that its a subcompact. --[[User:Peelman|Peelman]] ([[User talk:Peelman|talk]]) 13:54, 28 December 2016 (EST)

== Red Barrels / Paint ==

The red barrels and paint schemes, based on context, seem to definitively identify a "real" firearm from an in-world one. As mentioned in the show, "You can't kill anyone you are not supposed to" with the in-world weapons, and we see in S01E01 that Teddy's gun can "kill" other Hosts, but not the Man in Black. As opposed to the weapons carried by the security/QA staff, which would be marked in a very obvious way to denote their "real" lethalness. See the end of Episode 10 where Hector and Armistice slaughter most of the security staff with their Red P90s.

The possible exception to this rule ''might'' be the revolver Delores uses at the end of S01E10 to kill Ford; but Ford also explicitly tells us that said gun existed at the very beginning of the park (being the one used to kill Arnold); so the "Red Gun" protocols might not have been in place at that point, or the weapon may have been specifically modified by Arnold himself. I emphasis might because there is a theory that the Ford that was shot was another Host.

--[[User:Peelman|Peelman]] ([[User talk:Peelman|talk]]) 13:46, 28 December 2016 (EST)

Talk:Westworld - Season 1

2016-12-28T18:54:32Z

Peelman:

I've had a couple notes that the PX4 is the subcompact, not the compact, can anyone confirm? --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 13:23, 8 December 2016 (EST)

For your examination: --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:11, 8 December 2016 (EST)

[[Image:Px4StormCompact1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Px4 Storm Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Px4StormCompact.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[File:WestS1E07 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Beretta pistol] appears to be drawn by Ashley Stubbs ([[Luke Hemsworth]]) in "Trompe L'Oeil" (S1E07).]]
[[File:WestS1E09 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stubbs draws his pistol in "The Well-Tempered Clavier" (S1E09).]]

:I concur, looks ''more'' like a sub-compact than a standard compact variant. It's still really hard to tell - the two are extremely similar with few obvious differences, but the profile seems to match the subcompact more. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 19:51, 8 December 2016 (EST)

There is one very obvious difference between the Compact and Subcompact (I own a full size Px4, and studied them immensely prior to making that purchase); the Compact uses the same rotating cam barrel mechanism as its full size sibling. The Sub-compact does not, using a tilt-barrel system like many other semi-auto pistols. Compare slides on both in those pictures above, then look at the screen captures. To me its apparent that its a subcompact.

== Red Barrels / Paint ==

The red barrels and paint schemes, based on context, seem to definitively identify a "real" firearm from an in-world one. As mentioned in the show, "You can't kill anyone you are not supposed to" with the in-world weapons, and we see in S01E01 that Teddy's gun can "kill" other Hosts, but not the Man in Black. As opposed to the weapons carried by the security/QA staff, which would be marked in a very obvious way to denote their "real" lethalness. See the end of Episode 10 where Hector and Armistice slaughter most of the security staff with their Red P90s.

The possible exception to this rule ''might'' be the revolver Delores uses at the end of S01E10 to kill Ford; but Ford also explicitly tells us that said gun existed at the very beginning of the park (being the one used to kill Arnold); so the "Red Gun" protocols might not have been in place at that point, or the weapon may have been specifically modified by Arnold himself. I emphasis might because there is a theory that the Ford that was shot was another Host.

--[[User:Peelman|Peelman]] ([[User talk:Peelman|talk]]) 13:46, 28 December 2016 (EST)

Talk:Westworld - Season 1

2016-12-28T18:46:35Z

Peelman: /* Red Barrels / Paint */

I've had a couple notes that the PX4 is the subcompact, not the compact, can anyone confirm? --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 13:23, 8 December 2016 (EST)

For your examination: --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:11, 8 December 2016 (EST)

[[Image:Px4StormCompact1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Px4 Storm Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Px4StormCompact.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[File:WestS1E07 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Beretta pistol] appears to be drawn by Ashley Stubbs ([[Luke Hemsworth]]) in "Trompe L'Oeil" (S1E07).]]
[[File:WestS1E09 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stubbs draws his pistol in "The Well-Tempered Clavier" (S1E09).]]

:I concur, looks ''more'' like a sub-compact than a standard compact variant. It's still really hard to tell - the two are extremely similar with few obvious differences, but the profile seems to match the subcompact more. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 19:51, 8 December 2016 (EST)

== Red Barrels / Paint ==

The red barrels and paint schemes, based on context, seem to definitively identify a "real" firearm from an in-world one. As mentioned in the show, "You can't kill anyone you are not supposed to" with the in-world weapons, and we see in S01E01 that Teddy's gun can "kill" other Hosts, but not the Man in Black. As opposed to the weapons carried by the security/QA staff, which would be marked in a very obvious way to denote their "real" lethalness. See the end of Episode 10 where Hector and Armistice slaughter most of the security staff with their Red P90s.

The possible exception to this rule ''might'' be the revolver Delores uses at the end of S01E10 to kill Ford; but Ford also explicitly tells us that said gun existed at the very beginning of the park (being the one used to kill Arnold); so the "Red Gun" protocols might not have been in place at that point, or the weapon may have been specifically modified by Arnold himself. I emphasis might because there is a theory that the Ford that was shot was another Host.

--[[User:Peelman|Peelman]] ([[User talk:Peelman|talk]]) 13:46, 28 December 2016 (EST)

Talk:Westworld - Season 1

2016-12-28T18:46:11Z

Peelman: /* Red Barrels / Paint */ new section

I've had a couple notes that the PX4 is the subcompact, not the compact, can anyone confirm? --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 13:23, 8 December 2016 (EST)

For your examination: --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:11, 8 December 2016 (EST)

[[Image:Px4StormCompact1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Px4 Storm Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Px4StormCompact.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[File:WestS1E07 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Beretta pistol] appears to be drawn by Ashley Stubbs ([[Luke Hemsworth]]) in "Trompe L'Oeil" (S1E07).]]
[[File:WestS1E09 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stubbs draws his pistol in "The Well-Tempered Clavier" (S1E09).]]

:I concur, looks ''more'' like a sub-compact than a standard compact variant. It's still really hard to tell - the two are extremely similar with few obvious differences, but the profile seems to match the subcompact more. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 19:51, 8 December 2016 (EST)

== Red Barrels / Paint ==

The red barrels and paint schemes, based on context, seem to definitively identify a "real" firearm from an in-world one. As mentioned in the show, "You can't kill anyone you are not supposed to" with the in-world weapons, and we see in S01E01 that Teddy's gun can "kill" other Hosts, but not the Man in Black. As opposed to the weapons carried by the security/QA staff, which would be marked in a very obvious way to denote their "real" lethalness. See the end of Episode 10 where Hector and Armistice slaughter most of the security staff with their Red P90s.

The possible exception to this rule ''might'' be the revolver Delores uses at the end of S01E10 to kill Ford; but Ford also explicitly tells us that said gun existed at the very beginning of the park (being the one used to kill Arnold); so the "Red Gun" protocols might not have been in place at that point, or the weapon may have been specifically modified by Arnold himself. I emphasis might because there is a theory that the Ford that was shot was another Host.