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Talk:Castle

2012-12-04T18:50:30Z

Peejn8r: /* Updating */

This is ridiculous 173.24.175.63, one of us has to win. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 03:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:What's going on here? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I though I'd fix it up make it proper (At least in my eyes), and apparently we had similar thoughts around the same time. But very different ideas. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 03:46, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Actually it doesn't seem as bad as I though it was, just the one edit conflict. I though there was two or three for some reason. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 03:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gun in episode 2x17 Tick, Tick, Tick... ==

I believe that the killer in Tick, Tick, Tick... is using a STI gun when he kills the character Ben Conrad.
Don't know the exact model, but it has a full length dust cover, an a mag well.
Possible model: M2011 Edge. http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Edge/Edge.php

they said it was a .45 and it looked like a colt M1911 but I could be wrong

== M4A1 ==
What is the marking on Esposito's M4's receiver? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

== Scope on MP5 ==

Does anybody know which scope that is on the MP. Or is a RDS?

== Smith & Wesson Model 625 ==

[[Image:Castle-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nothing better unfortunately. - ''Episode: Hedgefund Homeboys'']]
In what world is that a .45 revolver? Little small lads. --[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 09:36, 7 April 2011 (CDT)

== Lucky Stiff (Season 3, Ep. 14) ==

What is the victim of the episode killed with? I remember the forensics saying he was killed by a 9x19mm bullet through the heart. The 9x33mmR revolver is dismissed by Beckett by visual inspection itself saying the revolver is too big to be the murder weapon. Aren't both bullets of same diameter therefore wouldn't the entry wounds be same? [[User:Devang.home47|Devang.home47]] 01:46, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

== Unknown Sniper Rifle ==

It looks like a M14 SOPMOD, based on the rail that runs all the way across the top of the gun and the collapsable stock combined with the mag and the iron sights that look similar to that found on a M14/M1a. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 16:38, 28 August 2011 (CDT)

== Kill Shot (4x09) ==

Theres a new sniper rifle in Kill Shot:

[[File:CastleSnipe.jpg]]

Looks like an AWM, needs confirmation though. It's a .308 according to the episode.
:I think it was a [[Remington Model 700]] in an AICS stock. Also, you got a lot more shots of the SR-25 rifle that shot Becket, and it seems to be lacking a brass deflector for some reason. Airsoft? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:33, 23 November 2011 (CST)

== Knockout ==

Got a slightly better shot of montgomery's revolver in Knockout:

[[File:MontgomeryRevolver.jpg]]

Looks like a S&W of some sort, possibly a model 19?

It's a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]]--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 11:19, 8 May 2012 (CDT)

== Castle's Antique? ==

Castle's antique revolver looks like a converted 1851 Navy to me, without an ejector rod though. Any thoughts? --[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] 11:34, 26 January 2012 (CST)

== Updating ==

Anyone give any thought to splitting this page into seasons? Or possibly adding some new info. from the newer episodes? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] 11:53 (MDT)

Agreed. Although the guns have never been the focus of the show... I think Ryan and Espo have changed guns. Ryan is now carrying a Sig and Esposito might have gone to an HK. Although think Beckett still carries her Glock? [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

Talk:SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series

2012-01-19T16:45:40Z

Peejn8r: /* New P226 */

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==Screen-used SIG-Sauer Pistols==
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun carried and fired by [[Bruce Willis]] in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''.]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Left.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing '''SIG-Sauer P228'''. This weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'', and was carried and fired by [[Clint Eastwood]] in the film. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo; also see their sales page for the weapon, [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00276&Store_Code=TGC&search=228&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= here].]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Right.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The '''SIG-Sauer P228''' from ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'' (seen from the right).]]
[[Image:VirtuosityP228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A two-tone '''SIG-Sauer P228''' (9x19mm) with Wilcox Industries UITC laser and barrel compensator, as used by [[Denzel Washington]] in the film ''[[Virtuosity]]''. The weapon pictured here is the actual screen-used gun from the movie, one of four that were made for the film. One of these guns is re-used in the film ''[[Barb Wire]]''.]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00268 Sopranos Tony Soprano Sig 226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[James Gandolfini]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This specific gun was the one fired onscreen when he, Paulie, and Silvio kill Pussy in Funhouse (2.13). More detailed images and purchasing information on this item can be found at [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00268&Store_Code=TGC&search=Sopranos&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00273 Sopranos Paulie Sig P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P228 pistol with non-functional prop silencer - 9x19mm. This live firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[Tony Sirico]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This gun was fired onscreen in the episode A Hit Is A Hit (1.10) during the scene where Paulie and other members of the Sopranos crew pose as furniture movers and ambush a drug cartel bagman and steal his money. After the hold up, Paulie shoots the man in the head at point blank range before making off with his drug money (IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing the documentation on this gun. Contact them via their website for more detailed images and purchasing information on this item.)]]
[[Image:P00619.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used SIG-Sauer P229 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun has been modified to fire blank rounds only. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see[http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00619&Store_Code=TGC&search=Salt&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:M&MSSIGP229.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Two of the SIG-Sauer P229 pistols used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]'' - 9x19mm.]]

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A reverse Two-Tone SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm (identical configuration to the gun from ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''; this weapon was assembled and photographed specially for IMFDB by [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]).]]
[[Image:sig229Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229 with two-tone finish and Crimson Trace grips 9x19mm]]
[[File:SIG228Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P228 with stainless slide]]
[[Image:X-Five-LW-detail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG Sauer X5 LW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sig-sauerP229DAK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229R - 9x19mm (also chambered for .40 S&W & .357 SIG)]]
[[Image:p226_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R fitted with a weaponlight - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226 tacops.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R Tactical Operations - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226RNAVY.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Navy, older model with traditional trigger - 9x19mm]]
[[File:SIG P226 Combat TB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Combat TB - 9x19m ]]

==P245==
I like the P245. I bought one back in 2000. I owned both the P220 and the P245 for many years and I always found that I shot better with the P245. Eventually traded the P220, but I still have the P245. It's a nice little shooter. But truth be told I did purchase the eight round magazine from Sig. So I guess the P220 Compact just makes more sense. From a business aspect. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==P228==
I'm a bit confused about the P228. I thought that it has been discontinued for about 10 years. But that the Military uses them and I know that SIG recently came out with a P228R model. So my question is: Is it still being produced or not? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

:The P228R is a limited production run weapon. SIG had lots of surplus P228 slides, so they modified them to fit P229R frames (even though the 229 has always been a bit wider than the 228). As for the military's use of the P228, that's just because they bought so many of them in the 1990s that they still have lots in inventory. But the original, non-rail P228 (the version still seen in most movies today) has been out of production since 2000, when the P229 in 9mm was introduced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Ok thank you for clearing that up for me. Much appreciated! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== P220 ==
Is the P220 still manufactured in any caliber other than 45 ACP? I know the .38 super and .30 luger variants were discontinued but many nations have adopted the 9mm version for Police and Military use so it seems odd they would have discontinued it, yet SIG-Sauer's websight only lists it as comming in .45. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Everywhere I've looked for info says no. All modern (Railed I assume) P220's are strictly .45 ACP.
Personally I like this line of thinking, a single stack 9x19mm seems pointless when you can get a P226, or a P229 and carry more rounds. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

The Swiss military is a big user of the P-220 pistol. I wonder if they might have their own production line somewhere (as they did with the Luger) and just do not offer them commercially anymore. Also, SIG as the monolith that it once was is no more, having broken up into various other companies: the SIG-Sauer brand, now based out of Germany (and responsible for the P-220-5, P-226, P229, SIG-556, and all other continued SIG-Sauer firearms), and Swiss Arms, the manufacturer of the SIG-550 series firearms (the 550, 551, 552, and 553), and others. It is possible that the Swiss government procured the machinery after the demise of SIG to produce the P/75 (as I believe the Swiss military calls it) and is producing them for their own uses. This seems all the more likely when it is considered that an officer in the Swiss military is given the option of purchasing his own service sidearm once he leaves the military (and thus a finite stockpile might soon quickly expire). Just for information's sake, an enlisted person within the Swiss military is given the option of actually purchasing his own service weapon once he leaves the service (this is done by sending it back to the manufacturer were it is converted to a semi-automatic only rifle and then sent to the former soldier). The Chilean government had its own license to produce these domestcally through FAMAE (according to Ian Hogg) though this seems to have expired and FAMAE now produces a variant of the CZ-75 and the Japanese government also license produced the design at one point (perhaps through Howa Industries), although this too seems to have expired, and this is once again according to Mr. Hogg. Just some potential explanations.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== P6 hammer notch ==

As I actually own a P6, I, as I am sure many other P6 owners have, became curious of and susequently investigated the notch in the P6's hammer. I have heard various reasons for the P6 hammer's notch, including the theory that it was meant to indicate that the gun was dropped or was meant to prevent an accidental firing if it was indeed dropped. Hoever, I have come across another explanation that to me seems a bit more plausible, that it was meant to stick the loop of a retaining holster into, thereby securing the gun into the holster and preventing a drop. To me this seems to be a more potential explanation as who would want to replace a hammer each time the weapon was dropped, espiecially a SIG (not the cheapest of all firearms) and espiecially a model that SIG discontinued quite some time ago. Even finding extra (affordable) magazines for a P-225/P6 is an ordeal, so why would you try and replace a hammer every time somebody might actually drop it. I don't know, but it just does seem the best explanation to me. Also, I do not speak German, so there might be a resource out there that that I cannot utilize that expressly states the reasons for this peculiarity. Once again, just another potential explanation, what do you guys think?[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Your picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 ==

Your main picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 looks more like a airsoftversion than a real one. The hammer has a slightly different shape than a real P228.

:I don't think it's an airsoft weapon. It was photographed for us by MoviePropMaster2008, who is a movie armorer, so that is a real weapon converted to blank-fire, from his company's inventory. However, he mentioned to me that this particular gun was dropped during a movie shoot and badly damaged, so it had a whole bunch of repairs. He is trying to find a P228 in better condition that he can photograph (preferably, one that was used in a big movie). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Just wondering? ==

Why do many enthusisests and military forces(Navy seals,SAS,ect) perfer this gun? Is it reliability? the different calibers?

Its exceptionally well made and accurate right out of the box, they're durable, there are a variety of options from cosmetic to alternate materials to alternate barrels and rail systems, and there are a wide variety of calibers to choose from. They're solidly built, reliable, and effective weapon platforms. The only real issue is price but if you're buying something that you want to be able to defend yourself with...any time...in any corner of the world.... then the P22# series is a prime choice.
-Double Agent M

Uhm,I'm just wondering.What is that small thing, which is near safe button? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 12:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)

Gonna have to be more specific. Are you talking about the magazine release or the slide release? or are you talking about the takedown lever? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CST)
:And whats the safe button? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:04, 18 January 2012 (CST)

Modern Sigs do not have an external safety. The controls are from the front as follows: Take down lever, hammer decocker for da/sa models (hole if DAK model), and slide release. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Confirmation==
I feel stupid for asking this but just to make sure, SIG-Sauer P220 series guns have decockers but no manual safeties right? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

There are some SIG 220 series that come with manual safeties. The P220SAO comes to mind.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

And I assume the DAK versions don't have decockers. I should have specified that I was wondering about the DA/SA variants. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Ah, there are no manual safeties on non SAO SIGs.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No problemo.

==P228 vs. 229==
What are the differences between the SIG P228 and P229 other than the fact that the 229 comes in .40 S&W and .357 SIG? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The P226 and P228 were originally manufactured using a stamped-steel slide on an aluminum alloy frame. The P229 consists of a CNC-milled stainless steel slide, typically colored black with a Nitron finish. The P229's milled steel slide was introduced to handle the higher slide velocities created by the .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads, which the stamped slide of the P228 could not handle without the use of a much stiffer recoil spring.
:So stamped vs. milled slide. Alright, thanks. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Quick question about SIGs in films and television==

I understand why SIGs are used by the military, police and weapons enthusiasts but I'm just wondering why they turn up so much in films and TV. Are they easy to convert to blanks and thus is the main go-to guns for armorers or is it SIG doing some covert advertising? I remember in the late 90s to early 00s that Glock had an equivalent presence in film and television. It's nice to see SIGs in action but can't they use a wider range of brands? - [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]]

:In movies and TV, SIGs typically are typically shown in the hands of either FBI Agents (which actually issued them in real life) or military Special Forces (many of which also use them frequently). I would imagine that they are common for this reason alone - there are a lot of movies about elite units and federal agents.

:I don't think it has anything to do with them being easy to convert to blanks, because SIGs have a covered barrel whose lock-up at ejection port needs to be milled down in order for blanks to function reliably (unlike Berettas, which have a reputation for ease of blank conversion due to their open-top slides). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

==SIG-Sauer model used in recent Mythbusters==
I have a short question, in most recent episode of Mythbusters, the trio team testes a myth from Kiss The Girls movie - whether a gun can ignite a room full of gas. They used .44 Magnum, 3rd Gen Glock 17 9x19mm (if I ID'd it correctly) and a SIG-Sauer. The question is what model of SIG-Sauer was used, I'm not sure if it was P239 9x19mm? Also on a side note, they tend to mix the footage of Glock and SIG and also Tory calls the SIG a Glock... (wlw @ 27.11.2010)

== SEALS ==
Does anyone know why the Navy SEALS chose the SIG 226 for their handgun of choice, what handgun it replaced, and why it was chosen over that handgun?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 02:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

When the US held pistol trial to replace the 1911 in the 80's, the final two were the m9 and the P226. The M9 won based on cost alone. The SEALS originally used the M9, but after several catastrophic failures they switched to the runner-up, the 226. That was in the 80's, and they are still using it. Says a lot for SIG... I don't know what the SEALS used before, but I would assume it's some 1911 variant. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:The Navy SEALS also used the Heckler & Koch Mark 23 for a while before switching to the SiG-Sauer P226. Reason being? The H&K Mk 23 was deemed to be a bit of a piece of shit. With a heavy trigger pull and a clunky, unwieldy feel and ability to use, the SEALS kicked that pistol to the curb pretty quick. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 20:53, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
::Form what I heard from people who actually own Mark 23s the trigger pull is better than the USP. :/ I would own a Mark 23 but that's just me, I like big, heavy (actually the Mark 23 only weighs as much as a M1911 handgun), over-engineered weapons that can survive a nuclear explosion. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:15, 5 June 2011 (CDT)

What kind of catastrophic failures was the M9 going through and why didn't other branches replace the M9 with the SIG aside from price?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 17:28, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
: The Slides had a tendency to break; officially as a result of the SEALs using hotter rounds than the weapon was rated for.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::The other branches didn't feel the need to replace the M9, probably because the SEALS have higher standards for their sidearms. Also, the SIGs were extremely durable, you could take them through saltwater, drag them through sand, even pound it with a jackhammer and they would still fire. The other branches didn't use their sidearms nearly as much as the SEALS. Presently the Coast Guard is using the SIG-Sauer P229, and the actual agency NCIS (naval criminal investigative service, pretty much cops for the navy and marines) use P229s as well. Also, I don't know where you live, but if u live in america go on youtube and search for "nutnfancy p226 part 1" its the first one that shows up. He talks about the history of the P226 and its use with the SEALS.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

The SIG P229 is a fine weapon, from my experiance its the best shooting handgun for me. Wonder if the P220 works aswell because I want one.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== New P226 ==

Has anyone seen the new production line SIG P226s? What do you guys think of the new grips? They've got the same grips that the E2 has now. I like them but I will miss the old P226 grips. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:34, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:I honestly think that I am the only one who does not like them. I like how they try to appeal to smaller-handed shooters, but I think they should have kept the "classic" style availiable as well. I handled a classic P226 with the E2 grips installed, and it just didn't feel right to me. They did this to the P229 (my favorite gun) and changed the slide style as well. I will miss the classic grips. (It feels so weird calling the SIGs I know and love the classic version)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 02:46, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

Being a Brit the closest I get to handling a real gun are my airsoft ones, but if I manage to move to America (which is one of my lifes goals) I'd like to get some real guns. One of them is a SIG Sauer P226 but I prefer the classic unrailed frame. I wish SIG still produced those for sale as well. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:35, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

You can still get the old grips for SIGs. They sell them on their website, and i'm sure that various other distributors bought ass-loads of them to sell. The new grips give more options to a wider range of shooters. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 09:56, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:I've been thinking about ordering a pair for a while. Even though I can get my hand around my 226's grip just fine (the smaller circumference doesn't matter much to me), I've never liked the texture of the previous generation grips. The E2 grip texture is designed to be a lot like the grips on the very earliest P226s (the checker-pattern grips).

:Also, SIG just introduced the "P226 German", which is a rail frame P226 that has the German-manufactured stamped slide of the oldest model P226s. I might have to get one some day - the old stamped slides are WAY superior to the milled slides that have been standard since the late-90s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:27, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

When I saw the "P226 German" on their website I was hoping it would be a classic P226 without a rail but it has the rail. I don't understand why they don't still produce unrailed framed P226s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:55, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

I must admit that I thought the same thing when I saw the German on their site. And i'm sure many other people were just as disappointed when they saw the rail... honestly, I can see where they could be useful, but aesthetically I prefer SIGs without rails. Like the P229 SAS, for instance. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:40, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

They could be useful but SIGs look so much better without them. And there's nothing wrong with the Harries technique in my opinion if you need a flash light. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:11, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

1. The SAS pretty much covers the rail-less Sigs. 2. As I own a 229(R) the rail isnt bad for texture. Really causes no problems holstering. If you dont like the look I dont know what to tell you. Having the rail standard is a good idea because it gives you the OPTION to put a light or laser on your gun. 3. Carrying a light in your off hand will work but putting the light on your gun is a much sturdier option letting you still have full control of your firearm with both hands and the added benefit of the light. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

== P239 Slide ==

As far as I can tell, there are two different slide designs for the P239, the first being the one similar to the P228 that is seen on the gun images for this page, but then you also have a design similar to the P229 that can be seen on the pages for [[Chuck]] and [[Nikita (2010)]] for example. Does this indicate different manufacture date, or does the slide change with calibre? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 02:23, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::I think the slide changes as to whether its a 9mm or 40 cal. The reason why the 228 was discontinued in favor of the 229 was that they couldn't make the 228 strong enough to take 40 cal and the 'marketplace' expected any 9mm to be available in .40 SW as well. So I believe the frame can take the stresses of both 9mm and 40 cal and (obviously) the barrel and slides are different. :) Of course, now I expect someone out of the blue to completely prove me wrong .... sigh....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:52, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::I believe that is right, just remember that the slides are reversed in the 239 (half serration = 9mm, full serration = 40SW or 357SIG) compared to the 228/229. Also the frame of the 228 is slightly smaller than that of the 229, and old model 229's in 9mm have a slightly smaller frame than those in 40SW, though, if I understand it right, the new model 229's (full cocking serration) use the same frame for both 9mm and 40SW. The size does not make that big of a difference unless you try to put E2 grips onto a 228, where the size difference will prevent them from fitting (unless you got a late model 228 that used 229 frames). Hope that helped rather than confused. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 07:42, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Thanks, that helps. Assumed it was calibres as the SIG website has current pics of both types, but assumed it was the same way round as P228/P229 and wondered why the most common version in TV is .40 rather than 9mm. Second part has thrown me though, as didn't realise that P229s now had full height serrations. Is there anyway (from a distance without examining frame thickness) to tell the difference between a current P229 and a P228R? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:02, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::::The new P229's have the E2 grip which is smaller than the old grip, lack grip screws, and are one piece as opposed to the older 2 piece model. But since the P228R uses a P229 frame and E2 grips can be attached to older P229 frames, and the new P229's can still have the old grip style swapped in if the user so desires, there is no real way without holding it or seeing the stamp on the slide to know for sure.[[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 10:25, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::::The extractor on the new P229 is much larger than before.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:16, 10 October 2011 (CDT)

== Broken links ==

Although more correct, when [[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] put "-Sauer" into the titles for the different guns it now means that all of the redirects, like [[SIG-Sauer P226]], don't go to the correct section anymore, along with any links that are in articles (such as <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki>) that lead to a particular section. I take it there is no way to fix the second problem short of going through every single article and changing it is there? Also, why do we put the dash in SIG-Sauer, as far as I can tell the actual company name is either SIG SAUER, or SIG Sauer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:26, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:You are right about the title, they never refer to themselves as "SIG-Sauer" but "SIG Sauer". And, right again, theres no way to fix the redirect problem :( --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:29, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::I thought that when SIG joined up with Sauer they put a hyphen between their names. Also, the little thing at the top of the page says that we should put a hyphen.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::You could always just edit the redirects... Go to the [[SIG-Sauer P226]] page and change where it redirects... I've already done it for the P226 (try the link and see for yourself). Shouldn't be that difficult. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:51, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:commando552 and I were not talking about the <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> redirect, but the pages like [[The Negotiator]] or [[XXX]] where the longer <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> hyperlink is used. Those now redirect to the top of the page instead of the P226's section. And the only way to fix them is to change them on every page that uses this hyperlink. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:47, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::What he said. I know the first problem is fixable like you said, was going to edit the redirects earlier but didn't in case the name changed again. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:43, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:My bad. Though I will say that this is a perfect reason why using this style: <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> is a bad idea (not saying it was your guys fault or anything, just saying that its a good reason to avoid that type of coding). --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 19:55, 17 January 2012 (CST)
Wow, my bad guys, I didn't know it would jack up all the redirects. What if we reverted the page back, but added a note at the top of the page stating that the proper name has the Sauer in it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:We should strive to be as correct as possible. If it's right, it's right. I'm willing to put in the legwork. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:00, 17 January 2012 (CST)

Talk:SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series

2012-01-19T16:35:24Z

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==Screen-used SIG-Sauer Pistols==
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun carried and fired by [[Bruce Willis]] in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''.]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Left.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing '''SIG-Sauer P228'''. This weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'', and was carried and fired by [[Clint Eastwood]] in the film. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo; also see their sales page for the weapon, [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00276&Store_Code=TGC&search=228&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= here].]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Right.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The '''SIG-Sauer P228''' from ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'' (seen from the right).]]
[[Image:VirtuosityP228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A two-tone '''SIG-Sauer P228''' (9x19mm) with Wilcox Industries UITC laser and barrel compensator, as used by [[Denzel Washington]] in the film ''[[Virtuosity]]''. The weapon pictured here is the actual screen-used gun from the movie, one of four that were made for the film. One of these guns is re-used in the film ''[[Barb Wire]]''.]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00268 Sopranos Tony Soprano Sig 226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[James Gandolfini]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This specific gun was the one fired onscreen when he, Paulie, and Silvio kill Pussy in Funhouse (2.13). More detailed images and purchasing information on this item can be found at [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00268&Store_Code=TGC&search=Sopranos&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00273 Sopranos Paulie Sig P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P228 pistol with non-functional prop silencer - 9x19mm. This live firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[Tony Sirico]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This gun was fired onscreen in the episode A Hit Is A Hit (1.10) during the scene where Paulie and other members of the Sopranos crew pose as furniture movers and ambush a drug cartel bagman and steal his money. After the hold up, Paulie shoots the man in the head at point blank range before making off with his drug money (IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing the documentation on this gun. Contact them via their website for more detailed images and purchasing information on this item.)]]
[[Image:P00619.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used SIG-Sauer P229 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun has been modified to fire blank rounds only. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see[http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00619&Store_Code=TGC&search=Salt&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:M&MSSIGP229.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Two of the SIG-Sauer P229 pistols used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]'' - 9x19mm.]]

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A reverse Two-Tone SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm (identical configuration to the gun from ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''; this weapon was assembled and photographed specially for IMFDB by [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]).]]
[[Image:sig229Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229 with two-tone finish and Crimson Trace grips 9x19mm]]
[[File:SIG228Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P228 with stainless slide]]
[[Image:X-Five-LW-detail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG Sauer X5 LW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sig-sauerP229DAK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229R - 9x19mm (also chambered for .40 S&W & .357 SIG)]]
[[Image:p226_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R fitted with a weaponlight - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226 tacops.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R Tactical Operations - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226RNAVY.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Navy, older model with traditional trigger - 9x19mm]]
[[File:SIG P226 Combat TB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Combat TB - 9x19m ]]

==P245==
I like the P245. I bought one back in 2000. I owned both the P220 and the P245 for many years and I always found that I shot better with the P245. Eventually traded the P220, but I still have the P245. It's a nice little shooter. But truth be told I did purchase the eight round magazine from Sig. So I guess the P220 Compact just makes more sense. From a business aspect. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==P228==
I'm a bit confused about the P228. I thought that it has been discontinued for about 10 years. But that the Military uses them and I know that SIG recently came out with a P228R model. So my question is: Is it still being produced or not? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

:The P228R is a limited production run weapon. SIG had lots of surplus P228 slides, so they modified them to fit P229R frames (even though the 229 has always been a bit wider than the 228). As for the military's use of the P228, that's just because they bought so many of them in the 1990s that they still have lots in inventory. But the original, non-rail P228 (the version still seen in most movies today) has been out of production since 2000, when the P229 in 9mm was introduced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Ok thank you for clearing that up for me. Much appreciated! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== P220 ==
Is the P220 still manufactured in any caliber other than 45 ACP? I know the .38 super and .30 luger variants were discontinued but many nations have adopted the 9mm version for Police and Military use so it seems odd they would have discontinued it, yet SIG-Sauer's websight only lists it as comming in .45. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Everywhere I've looked for info says no. All modern (Railed I assume) P220's are strictly .45 ACP.
Personally I like this line of thinking, a single stack 9x19mm seems pointless when you can get a P226, or a P229 and carry more rounds. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

The Swiss military is a big user of the P-220 pistol. I wonder if they might have their own production line somewhere (as they did with the Luger) and just do not offer them commercially anymore. Also, SIG as the monolith that it once was is no more, having broken up into various other companies: the SIG-Sauer brand, now based out of Germany (and responsible for the P-220-5, P-226, P229, SIG-556, and all other continued SIG-Sauer firearms), and Swiss Arms, the manufacturer of the SIG-550 series firearms (the 550, 551, 552, and 553), and others. It is possible that the Swiss government procured the machinery after the demise of SIG to produce the P/75 (as I believe the Swiss military calls it) and is producing them for their own uses. This seems all the more likely when it is considered that an officer in the Swiss military is given the option of purchasing his own service sidearm once he leaves the military (and thus a finite stockpile might soon quickly expire). Just for information's sake, an enlisted person within the Swiss military is given the option of actually purchasing his own service weapon once he leaves the service (this is done by sending it back to the manufacturer were it is converted to a semi-automatic only rifle and then sent to the former soldier). The Chilean government had its own license to produce these domestcally through FAMAE (according to Ian Hogg) though this seems to have expired and FAMAE now produces a variant of the CZ-75 and the Japanese government also license produced the design at one point (perhaps through Howa Industries), although this too seems to have expired, and this is once again according to Mr. Hogg. Just some potential explanations.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== P6 hammer notch ==

As I actually own a P6, I, as I am sure many other P6 owners have, became curious of and susequently investigated the notch in the P6's hammer. I have heard various reasons for the P6 hammer's notch, including the theory that it was meant to indicate that the gun was dropped or was meant to prevent an accidental firing if it was indeed dropped. Hoever, I have come across another explanation that to me seems a bit more plausible, that it was meant to stick the loop of a retaining holster into, thereby securing the gun into the holster and preventing a drop. To me this seems to be a more potential explanation as who would want to replace a hammer each time the weapon was dropped, espiecially a SIG (not the cheapest of all firearms) and espiecially a model that SIG discontinued quite some time ago. Even finding extra (affordable) magazines for a P-225/P6 is an ordeal, so why would you try and replace a hammer every time somebody might actually drop it. I don't know, but it just does seem the best explanation to me. Also, I do not speak German, so there might be a resource out there that that I cannot utilize that expressly states the reasons for this peculiarity. Once again, just another potential explanation, what do you guys think?[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Your picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 ==

Your main picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 looks more like a airsoftversion than a real one. The hammer has a slightly different shape than a real P228.

:I don't think it's an airsoft weapon. It was photographed for us by MoviePropMaster2008, who is a movie armorer, so that is a real weapon converted to blank-fire, from his company's inventory. However, he mentioned to me that this particular gun was dropped during a movie shoot and badly damaged, so it had a whole bunch of repairs. He is trying to find a P228 in better condition that he can photograph (preferably, one that was used in a big movie). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Just wondering? ==

Why do many enthusisests and military forces(Navy seals,SAS,ect) perfer this gun? Is it reliability? the different calibers?

Its exceptionally well made and accurate right out of the box, they're durable, there are a variety of options from cosmetic to alternate materials to alternate barrels and rail systems, and there are a wide variety of calibers to choose from. They're solidly built, reliable, and effective weapon platforms. The only real issue is price but if you're buying something that you want to be able to defend yourself with...any time...in any corner of the world.... then the P22# series is a prime choice.
-Double Agent M

Uhm,I'm just wondering.What is that small thing, which is near safe button? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 12:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)

Gonna have to be more specific. Are you talking about the magazine release or the slide release? or are you talking about the takedown lever? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CST)
:And whats the safe button? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:04, 18 January 2012 (CST)

Modern Sigs do not have an external safety. The controls are from the front as follows: Take down lever, hammer decocker for da/sa models (hole if DAK model), and slide release. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Confirmation==
I feel stupid for asking this but just to make sure, SIG-Sauer P220 series guns have decockers but no manual safeties right? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

There are some SIG 220 series that come with manual safeties. The P220SAO comes to mind.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

And I assume the DAK versions don't have decockers. I should have specified that I was wondering about the DA/SA variants. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Ah, there are no manual safeties on non SAO SIGs.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No problemo.

==P228 vs. 229==
What are the differences between the SIG P228 and P229 other than the fact that the 229 comes in .40 S&W and .357 SIG? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The P226 and P228 were originally manufactured using a stamped-steel slide on an aluminum alloy frame. The P229 consists of a CNC-milled stainless steel slide, typically colored black with a Nitron finish. The P229's milled steel slide was introduced to handle the higher slide velocities created by the .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads, which the stamped slide of the P228 could not handle without the use of a much stiffer recoil spring.
:So stamped vs. milled slide. Alright, thanks. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Quick question about SIGs in films and television==

I understand why SIGs are used by the military, police and weapons enthusiasts but I'm just wondering why they turn up so much in films and TV. Are they easy to convert to blanks and thus is the main go-to guns for armorers or is it SIG doing some covert advertising? I remember in the late 90s to early 00s that Glock had an equivalent presence in film and television. It's nice to see SIGs in action but can't they use a wider range of brands? - [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]]

:In movies and TV, SIGs typically are typically shown in the hands of either FBI Agents (which actually issued them in real life) or military Special Forces (many of which also use them frequently). I would imagine that they are common for this reason alone - there are a lot of movies about elite units and federal agents.

:I don't think it has anything to do with them being easy to convert to blanks, because SIGs have a covered barrel whose lock-up at ejection port needs to be milled down in order for blanks to function reliably (unlike Berettas, which have a reputation for ease of blank conversion due to their open-top slides). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

==SIG-Sauer model used in recent Mythbusters==
I have a short question, in most recent episode of Mythbusters, the trio team testes a myth from Kiss The Girls movie - whether a gun can ignite a room full of gas. They used .44 Magnum, 3rd Gen Glock 17 9x19mm (if I ID'd it correctly) and a SIG-Sauer. The question is what model of SIG-Sauer was used, I'm not sure if it was P239 9x19mm? Also on a side note, they tend to mix the footage of Glock and SIG and also Tory calls the SIG a Glock... (wlw @ 27.11.2010)

== SEALS ==
Does anyone know why the Navy SEALS chose the SIG 226 for their handgun of choice, what handgun it replaced, and why it was chosen over that handgun?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 02:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

When the US held pistol trial to replace the 1911 in the 80's, the final two were the m9 and the P226. The M9 won based on cost alone. The SEALS originally used the M9, but after several catastrophic failures they switched to the runner-up, the 226. That was in the 80's, and they are still using it. Says a lot for SIG... I don't know what the SEALS used before, but I would assume it's some 1911 variant. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:The Navy SEALS also used the Heckler & Koch Mark 23 for a while before switching to the SiG-Sauer P226. Reason being? The H&K Mk 23 was deemed to be a bit of a piece of shit. With a heavy trigger pull and a clunky, unwieldy feel and ability to use, the SEALS kicked that pistol to the curb pretty quick. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 20:53, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
::Form what I heard from people who actually own Mark 23s the trigger pull is better than the USP. :/ I would own a Mark 23 but that's just me, I like big, heavy (actually the Mark 23 only weighs as much as a M1911 handgun), over-engineered weapons that can survive a nuclear explosion. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:15, 5 June 2011 (CDT)

What kind of catastrophic failures was the M9 going through and why didn't other branches replace the M9 with the SIG aside from price?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 17:28, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
: The Slides had a tendency to break; officially as a result of the SEALs using hotter rounds than the weapon was rated for.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::The other branches didn't feel the need to replace the M9, probably because the SEALS have higher standards for their sidearms. Also, the SIGs were extremely durable, you could take them through saltwater, drag them through sand, even pound it with a jackhammer and they would still fire. The other branches didn't use their sidearms nearly as much as the SEALS. Presently the Coast Guard is using the SIG-Sauer P229, and the actual agency NCIS (naval criminal investigative service, pretty much cops for the navy and marines) use P229s as well. Also, I don't know where you live, but if u live in america go on youtube and search for "nutnfancy p226 part 1" its the first one that shows up. He talks about the history of the P226 and its use with the SEALS.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

The SIG P229 is a fine weapon, from my experiance its the best shooting handgun for me. Wonder if the P220 works aswell because I want one.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== New P226 ==

Has anyone seen the new production line SIG P226s? What do you guys think of the new grips? They've got the same grips that the E2 has now. I like them but I will miss the old P226 grips. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:34, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:I honestly think that I am the only one who does not like them. I like how they try to appeal to smaller-handed shooters, but I think they should have kept the "classic" style availiable as well. I handled a classic P226 with the E2 grips installed, and it just didn't feel right to me. They did this to the P229 (my favorite gun) and changed the slide style as well. I will miss the classic grips. (It feels so weird calling the SIGs I know and love the classic version)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 02:46, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

Being a Brit the closest I get to handling a real gun are my airsoft ones, but if I manage to move to America (which is one of my lifes goals) I'd like to get some real guns. One of them is a SIG Sauer P226 but I prefer the classic unrailed frame. I wish SIG still produced those for sale as well. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:35, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

You can still get the old grips for SIGs. They sell them on their website, and i'm sure that various other distributors bought ass-loads of them to sell. The new grips give more options to a wider range of shooters. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 09:56, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:I've been thinking about ordering a pair for a while. Even though I can get my hand around my 226's grip just fine (the smaller circumference doesn't matter much to me), I've never liked the texture of the previous generation grips. The E2 grip texture is designed to be a lot like the grips on the very earliest P226s (the checker-pattern grips).

:Also, SIG just introduced the "P226 German", which is a rail frame P226 that has the German-manufactured stamped slide of the oldest model P226s. I might have to get one some day - the old stamped slides are WAY superior to the milled slides that have been standard since the late-90s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:27, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

When I saw the "P226 German" on their website I was hoping it would be a classic P226 without a rail but it has the rail. I don't understand why they don't still produce unrailed framed P226s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:55, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

I must admit that I thought the same thing when I saw the German on their site. And i'm sure many other people were just as disappointed when they saw the rail... honestly, I can see where they could be useful, but aesthetically I prefer SIGs without rails. Like the P229 SAS, for instance. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:40, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

They could be useful but SIGs look so much better without them. And there's nothing wrong with the Harries technique in my opinion if you need a flash light. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:11, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

== P239 Slide ==

As far as I can tell, there are two different slide designs for the P239, the first being the one similar to the P228 that is seen on the gun images for this page, but then you also have a design similar to the P229 that can be seen on the pages for [[Chuck]] and [[Nikita (2010)]] for example. Does this indicate different manufacture date, or does the slide change with calibre? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 02:23, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::I think the slide changes as to whether its a 9mm or 40 cal. The reason why the 228 was discontinued in favor of the 229 was that they couldn't make the 228 strong enough to take 40 cal and the 'marketplace' expected any 9mm to be available in .40 SW as well. So I believe the frame can take the stresses of both 9mm and 40 cal and (obviously) the barrel and slides are different. :) Of course, now I expect someone out of the blue to completely prove me wrong .... sigh....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:52, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::I believe that is right, just remember that the slides are reversed in the 239 (half serration = 9mm, full serration = 40SW or 357SIG) compared to the 228/229. Also the frame of the 228 is slightly smaller than that of the 229, and old model 229's in 9mm have a slightly smaller frame than those in 40SW, though, if I understand it right, the new model 229's (full cocking serration) use the same frame for both 9mm and 40SW. The size does not make that big of a difference unless you try to put E2 grips onto a 228, where the size difference will prevent them from fitting (unless you got a late model 228 that used 229 frames). Hope that helped rather than confused. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 07:42, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Thanks, that helps. Assumed it was calibres as the SIG website has current pics of both types, but assumed it was the same way round as P228/P229 and wondered why the most common version in TV is .40 rather than 9mm. Second part has thrown me though, as didn't realise that P229s now had full height serrations. Is there anyway (from a distance without examining frame thickness) to tell the difference between a current P229 and a P228R? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:02, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::::The new P229's have the E2 grip which is smaller than the old grip, lack grip screws, and are one piece as opposed to the older 2 piece model. But since the P228R uses a P229 frame and E2 grips can be attached to older P229 frames, and the new P229's can still have the old grip style swapped in if the user so desires, there is no real way without holding it or seeing the stamp on the slide to know for sure.[[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 10:25, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::::The extractor on the new P229 is much larger than before.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:16, 10 October 2011 (CDT)

== Broken links ==

Although more correct, when [[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] put "-Sauer" into the titles for the different guns it now means that all of the redirects, like [[SIG-Sauer P226]], don't go to the correct section anymore, along with any links that are in articles (such as <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki>) that lead to a particular section. I take it there is no way to fix the second problem short of going through every single article and changing it is there? Also, why do we put the dash in SIG-Sauer, as far as I can tell the actual company name is either SIG SAUER, or SIG Sauer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:26, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:You are right about the title, they never refer to themselves as "SIG-Sauer" but "SIG Sauer". And, right again, theres no way to fix the redirect problem :( --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:29, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::I thought that when SIG joined up with Sauer they put a hyphen between their names. Also, the little thing at the top of the page says that we should put a hyphen.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::You could always just edit the redirects... Go to the [[SIG-Sauer P226]] page and change where it redirects... I've already done it for the P226 (try the link and see for yourself). Shouldn't be that difficult. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:51, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:commando552 and I were not talking about the <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> redirect, but the pages like [[The Negotiator]] or [[XXX]] where the longer <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> hyperlink is used. Those now redirect to the top of the page instead of the P226's section. And the only way to fix them is to change them on every page that uses this hyperlink. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:47, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::What he said. I know the first problem is fixable like you said, was going to edit the redirects earlier but didn't in case the name changed again. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:43, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:My bad. Though I will say that this is a perfect reason why using this style: <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> is a bad idea (not saying it was your guys fault or anything, just saying that its a good reason to avoid that type of coding). --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 19:55, 17 January 2012 (CST)
Wow, my bad guys, I didn't know it would jack up all the redirects. What if we reverted the page back, but added a note at the top of the page stating that the proper name has the Sauer in it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:We should strive to be as correct as possible. If it's right, it's right. I'm willing to put in the legwork. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:00, 17 January 2012 (CST)

Talk:NCIS: Los Angeles - Season 3

2012-01-12T21:18:11Z

Peejn8r: /* Deeks Gun */

==RDX==
G and Sam find RDX explosives in "The Debt" (S3E10).

[[File:NCIS LA RDX.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The RDX explosives found by G and Sam in an abandoned garage in "The Debt" (S3E10).]]

== Deeks Gun ==
Deek's seems to "brandish" his gun less than the rest of the crew. I know in the past he has carried a 92FS and it was explained why and all... On last weeks episode, "Exit Strategy", he was DEFINITELY carrying a Smith. Can't say which, I have a problem differentiating all the S&W autos, but if i had to guess i would say something in the neighborhood of a black 5900. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r 1/12/12]]

Talk:NCIS: Los Angeles - Season 3

2012-01-12T21:02:49Z

Peejn8r:

==RDX==
G and Sam find RDX explosives in "The Debt" (S3E10).

[[File:NCIS LA RDX.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The RDX explosives found by G and Sam in an abandoned garage in "The Debt" (S3E10).]]

== Deeks Gun ==
Deek's seems to "brandish" his gun less than the rest of the crew. I know in the past he has carried a 92FS and it was explained why and all... On last weeks episode he was DEFINITELY carrying a Smith. Can't say which, I have a problem differentiating all the S&W pistols, but if i had to guess i would say something in the neighborhood of a black 5900

Talk:Killer Elite (2011)

2012-01-12T19:47:27Z

Peejn8r:

==Just saw the movie==
The second screenshot under Browning High Power Mark III is actually that of Clive Owen firing a H&K P7M13. The 1911 Robert Deniro uses is not a 1911, but some kind of .22 automatic (sorta like this: http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=45088), but he does use what appears to be a Commander sized 1911 near the beginning. A character played by Aden Young (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0949237/) uses what looks like a 686 sized S&W revolver with a 2-3 inch barrel.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:09, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

== Anachronistic Weapons ==
Some of the weapons I saw being used in this movie, particularly the Glocks, are highly anachronistic since most of them do not belong in the time frame they are set in which is supposed to be in the early 1980s which is the time period 'The Feathermen', the novel on which this movie is loosely based, is set. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:19, 26 December 2011 (CST)

1. If the movie is set in 1980 the Glock is anachronistic, if its set in the early 80s the Glock 17 might have been available. Didn't see the movie yet... Unless it specifically says year its tough to say one way or another. 2. Sig same deal. Could be a late first model 220, or if the movie is set after 84 could be time available as an early 226. 3. What is up with these movies being set in the 80s? There was nothing special about the 80s. I understand the book Killer Elite is based off of is set in the Early 80s, but why not update it to present day like the A team movie? [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2012-01-04T20:32:24Z

Peejn8r: /* SIG 229 */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

The only way you can tell a 228 from a 229 is age. The older 229s did have a half slide serration, but the newer 229s now have gone back to the full slide serrations of 228 had. Anyway... the reason started to post is because I was wondering if NCIS did switch since it looks like the agents on NCIS:LA switched to P229Rs. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:: If i remember correctly, the M9 has a single white band on the bottom of the rear sight to be aligned with the front dot, rather than two dots on eitherside of the sight. Butttt i cant remember perfectly. -MissySummers-

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length guide rod system similar to that found on compact Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:: This is what i can see from the screen shots out there. It appears to have a beavertail grip safety, a skeletonized hammer, a full length guide rod, straight cocking serrations in the rear, and novak style sights. The rest of the gun is obscured. Judging by the images below, the barrel seems to be more towards a commander size model, rather than a 5 inch barrel, but that might just be because of the camera. -MissySummers-

I think there is a good shot of it in DiNozzo's shoulder holster somewhere.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:48, 15 December 2011 (CST)

Everything about the Colt MkIV Officers seems right, except for the end of the slide/barrel. Could it be a Rock Island Armory Commander?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:49, 31 December 2011 (CST)

[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]

[[Image:NCISS8 01.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:NCISS8 04.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== DVD Cover ==

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]

== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==

In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand". --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

==Splitting the article to seasons==

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]

== Kate's Revolver ==

In season 2 episode blackwater (2x11) Special Agent Kate Todd goes to meet Tom McCallister on a date and before she goes on her operation she straps on a revolver on an inside the thigh holster in the NCIS squadroom. Can anybody identify this revolver. I dont have a picture of it but it may be a smith and wesson and i know it has wooden grips and it is most likely stainless steel thanks :)

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

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Peejn8r: /* SIG 229 */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

The only way you can tell a 228 from a 229 is age. The older 229s did have a half slide serration, but the newer 229s now have gone back to the full slide serrations teh 228 had. Anyway... the reason started to post is because I was wondering if NCIS did switch since it looks like the agents on NCIS:LA switched to P229Rs. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:: If i remember correctly, the M9 has a single white band on the bottom of the rear sight to be aligned with the front dot, rather than two dots on eitherside of the sight. Butttt i cant remember perfectly. -MissySummers-

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length guide rod system similar to that found on compact Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:: This is what i can see from the screen shots out there. It appears to have a beavertail grip safety, a skeletonized hammer, a full length guide rod, straight cocking serrations in the rear, and novak style sights. The rest of the gun is obscured. Judging by the images below, the barrel seems to be more towards a commander size model, rather than a 5 inch barrel, but that might just be because of the camera. -MissySummers-

I think there is a good shot of it in DiNozzo's shoulder holster somewhere.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:48, 15 December 2011 (CST)

Everything about the Colt MkIV Officers seems right, except for the end of the slide/barrel. Could it be a Rock Island Armory Commander?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:49, 31 December 2011 (CST)

[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]

[[Image:NCISS8 01.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:NCISS8 04.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== DVD Cover ==

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]

== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==

In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand". --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

==Splitting the article to seasons==

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]

== Kate's Revolver ==

In season 2 episode blackwater (2x11) Special Agent Kate Todd goes to meet Tom McCallister on a date and before she goes on her operation she straps on a revolver on an inside the thigh holster in the NCIS squadroom. Can anybody identify this revolver. I dont have a picture of it but it may be a smith and wesson and i know it has wooden grips and it is most likely stainless steel thanks :)

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2012-01-04T19:39:57Z

Peejn8r: /* SIG 229 */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

Looks like the only way to tell for sure whether NCIS is carrying 228s or 229s is the slide serrations. The 228 has full slide serrations where the 229 has only half slide serrations. The confusion is that the 229 SAS Gen 2 has the rounded trigger of the 228, and the 228r appears to have the hooked trigger of the 229 or 229r. Anyway... the reason I posted was because I was wondering if NCIS did switch since it looks like NCIS:LA switched to the 229r. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:: If i remember correctly, the M9 has a single white band on the bottom of the rear sight to be aligned with the front dot, rather than two dots on eitherside of the sight. Butttt i cant remember perfectly. -MissySummers-

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length guide rod system similar to that found on compact Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:: This is what i can see from the screen shots out there. It appears to have a beavertail grip safety, a skeletonized hammer, a full length guide rod, straight cocking serrations in the rear, and novak style sights. The rest of the gun is obscured. Judging by the images below, the barrel seems to be more towards a commander size model, rather than a 5 inch barrel, but that might just be because of the camera. -MissySummers-

I think there is a good shot of it in DiNozzo's shoulder holster somewhere.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:48, 15 December 2011 (CST)

Everything about the Colt MkIV Officers seems right, except for the end of the slide/barrel. Could it be a Rock Island Armory Commander?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:49, 31 December 2011 (CST)

[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]

[[Image:NCISS8 01.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:NCISS8 04.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== DVD Cover ==

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]

== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==

In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand". --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

==Splitting the article to seasons==

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]

== Kate's Revolver ==

In season 2 episode blackwater (2x11) Special Agent Kate Todd goes to meet Tom McCallister on a date and before she goes on her operation she straps on a revolver on an inside the thigh holster in the NCIS squadroom. Can anybody identify this revolver. I dont have a picture of it but it may be a smith and wesson and i know it has wooden grips and it is most likely stainless steel thanks :)

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

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Peejn8r: /* SIG 229 */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

Looks like the only way to tell for sure whether NCIS is carrying 228s or 229s is the slide serrations. The 229 SAS Gen 2 has the rounded trigger of the 228, and the 228r appears to have the hooked trigger of the 229 or 229r. Anyway... the reason I posted was because I was wondering if NCIS did switch since it looks like NCIS:LA switched to the 229r. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:: If i remember correctly, the M9 has a single white band on the bottom of the rear sight to be aligned with the front dot, rather than two dots on eitherside of the sight. Butttt i cant remember perfectly. -MissySummers-

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length guide rod system similar to that found on compact Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:: This is what i can see from the screen shots out there. It appears to have a beavertail grip safety, a skeletonized hammer, a full length guide rod, straight cocking serrations in the rear, and novak style sights. The rest of the gun is obscured. Judging by the images below, the barrel seems to be more towards a commander size model, rather than a 5 inch barrel, but that might just be because of the camera. -MissySummers-

I think there is a good shot of it in DiNozzo's shoulder holster somewhere.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:48, 15 December 2011 (CST)

Everything about the Colt MkIV Officers seems right, except for the end of the slide/barrel. Could it be a Rock Island Armory Commander?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:49, 31 December 2011 (CST)

[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]

[[Image:NCISS8 01.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:NCISS8 04.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== DVD Cover ==

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]

== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==

In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand". --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

==Splitting the article to seasons==

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]

== Kate's Revolver ==

In season 2 episode blackwater (2x11) Special Agent Kate Todd goes to meet Tom McCallister on a date and before she goes on her operation she straps on a revolver on an inside the thigh holster in the NCIS squadroom. Can anybody identify this revolver. I dont have a picture of it but it may be a smith and wesson and i know it has wooden grips and it is most likely stainless steel thanks :)

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

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Peejn8r: /* SIG 229 */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

Not sure anybody can prove one way or the other but I was wondering if NCIS switched to the 229 since LA switched to the 229r atleast in a couple episodes? - [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:: If i remember correctly, the M9 has a single white band on the bottom of the rear sight to be aligned with the front dot, rather than two dots on eitherside of the sight. Butttt i cant remember perfectly. -MissySummers-

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

My hands are a little on the larger side, even being a woman (im 5'10") but ive never had an issue using a Sig left handed. Yes, its not as ergonomically sound as right handed but i can shoot left handed without much issue. -MissySummers-

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

When Faatin Amal starts to put the pillow over Namir Eschel's face, the pistol is a suppressed Makarov PM, but after Eschel dies, the pistol looks like a CZ-83. Can anyone confirm that othern than myself?--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 08:26, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Antique firearm collectors in the United Kingdom ARE allowed to buy and sell pieces for their collections. Having said that, i'm not very familiar with webley revolvers. Are they old enough to be considered 'antique'?--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:41, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

:::::::::It doesn't matter if there are externally threaded barrels available for the P228; any movie pistol can take a suppressor because the barrel has to be threaded internally in order to accept the blank-firing adapter (BFA). Fake suppressors can be added simply by using an attachment that screws into the barrel's internal threading after the blank conversion has been done. This is why you routinely see characters in movies screwing suppressors onto pistols that do not have externally threaded barrels. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:00, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
::I definitely agree it is a 1911 variant with novak sights, but I think it did have a full length barrel. I could be wrong though UPDATE: Just got around to looking at it again, definite novak sights and no slant in the slide serrations (none in the front).User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:45, 6 May 2011 (CDT)

The page says its a Gold Cup National Match but i dont think it looks anything like it. Maybe a customized Series 70? -Missy

:Definitely not a Gold Cup, but I don't really know what it could be. Springfield Armory of some kind? For know I am moving it to "Unidentified 1911".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:16, 20 November 2011 (CST)

If you look at the picture below, it appears to have a full length guide rod system similar to that found on compact Springfield 1911s. I disagree with JazzBlackBelt's assessment of the barrel length; it looks to be of no more than 4 inches in length. Could it be springfield Champion model of some sort? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 21:04, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:: This is what i can see from the screen shots out there. It appears to have a beavertail grip safety, a skeletonized hammer, a full length guide rod, straight cocking serrations in the rear, and novak style sights. The rest of the gun is obscured. Judging by the images below, the barrel seems to be more towards a commander size model, rather than a 5 inch barrel, but that might just be because of the camera. -MissySummers-

I think there is a good shot of it in DiNozzo's shoulder holster somewhere.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:48, 15 December 2011 (CST)

Everything about the Colt MkIV Officers seems right, except for the end of the slide/barrel. Could it be a Rock Island Armory Commander?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:49, 31 December 2011 (CST)

[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|700px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

==Unidentified 1911==
An unidentified 1911 is the sidearm of Baltimore P.D. Detective Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) in Season 8's "Baltimore".
[[Image:NCISS8 24.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In a flashback, DiNozzo holds his Colt as a Baltimore PD detective.]]

[[Image:NCISS8 01.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:NCISS8 04.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
[[Image:NCISS8 26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DiNozzo draws his Colt in Season 8's "Baltimore".]]

== Frank's SW1911==
In "Pyramid" when we get the shot of Franks' SW1911, the slide reads SW1911'''PD''', and there are no rails on the frame. Doesn't the only full-length barrel SW1911PD have rails? I couldn't find a 5" barrel PD with no rails.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:39, 23 May 2011 (CDT)

== DVD Cover ==

Do you think we should update the DVD Cover pictures to the latest (season 8)? Here it is to decide if you like it or not.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 12 August 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:NCISDVDCoverSeason8.jpg|thumb|none|250px|NCIS- Season 8 (2010-2011)]]

== 9x03 "The Penelope Papers" ==

In the latest episode - 9x03, ''The Penelope Papers'' - there was something described as a Vietnam-era prototype carbon-fibre pistol. Is this an actual gun, or was it made up? The microchips in the caterpillar (self-replicating, no less) were dreadfully fake, but in a world that includes the gyrojet and the Krummlauf... well, I wouldn't put anything past wartime weapons tech.

So, anyone have any ideas? Fictional prop, or little-known prototype? [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] 12:47, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

: Probably a prop from actual pistols. Not sure if we should put it up. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:55, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

::I think we should, it was a pistol after all and this site usually adds weapons even if they are mocked up. Looked like a CZ variant to me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:47, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:NCIS-BLACKHAND.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The "Black Hand". --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:38, 13 October 2011 (CDT)]]

Hmmmm... could be a mocked up HK45 or Mk 23, but I honestly have NO ideas--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

: Leaning on the former there mate. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 19:56, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
:: Grip definitely looks more HK45-ish. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:33, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::: It is an IMI / IWI SP-21 Barak pistol. [[User:SgtRonin|SgtRonin]] 05:36, 06 November 2011 (CDT)

==9x04 "Enemy on the Hill"==

Got the photo of the two snipers. One of them's an AW rifle. I'm not on the other rifle. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 01:57, 16 October 2011 (CDT)

==Splitting the article to seasons==

Some of the long articles have been like 24 and Ultimate Force so far with Hawaii Five-0 following it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's going to be a little tougher since this show is already in its 9th season. It didn't seem that they used a lot of different weapons each season like Hawaii Five-0. The agents all still use the SIG and they don't go on a lot of raids using more than their sidearms. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, what is this, season-splitting week? First H-50 which I can understand, but now NCIS? It doesn't really need it, does it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 03:28, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[Stargate: SG1]] got season split despite mostly using the same weapons from season to season. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:09, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Additional Screenshots ==

[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]) draws her P228 in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Switch".]]

== Kate's Revolver ==

In season 2 episode blackwater (2x11) Special Agent Kate Todd goes to meet Tom McCallister on a date and before she goes on her operation she straps on a revolver on an inside the thigh holster in the NCIS squadroom. Can anybody identify this revolver. I dont have a picture of it but it may be a smith and wesson and i know it has wooden grips and it is most likely stainless steel thanks :)

Talk:Nikita (2010)

2011-10-27T15:44:57Z

Peejn8r: /* P22 or P99? */

==Misc.==

Thanks to whoever added the guns in the case. I forgot them somehow--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 14:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the SIG P225 is a 225 because it seemed to have a single-stack mag when she took it out. Your opinion?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 14:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:At the end? I'm pretty sure that was Michael's P220. Or at least what I believe was a P220. It's single stack and looks full size. But at the same time something feels off. I've never doubted myself with an ID before. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
::It is single stack but not full size. Most likely a SIG P239.

The one at the end of the episode? No, definitely not a P239. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:You're right, I checked the main article. Before I didn't realize the gun she pulled at the end was different from the one she took out of her case.

Is the Glock in Nikita's gun case really a 26? The butt of the grip on the 26 is angled in relation to the slide but the butt of the grip on the Glock in the case appears to be parallel to the slide. I think it's actually a Gen 3 or 4 G17. The thumb rest also appears to be more elongated that the 26's and the Glock logo on the grip appears to be farther away from the slide than the 26's logo. --[[User:Newshawk|Newshawk]] 22:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think you're right, it looks more like a Glock 19. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::No, the G19 has an angled buttplate where the G17 has a straight one. --[[User:Newshawk|Newshawk]] 05:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The pic on the main page with the ammo showing in the mag is under the Sig 220 section. But the ammo appears to be Fiocchi 9mm ammo and the mag even looks like the P225 mag. Plus, those bullet look small compared to her finger tips so i doubt they are 230gr. fmj's.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks to big to be a P225, they're essentially single stack versions of the P228 right? P220's used to be available in 9x19mm, .32 ACP and .38 Super. I've been thinking it was one of those calibers. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:24, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think it was .30 Luger not .32 ACP. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The mag looks to new so it shouldnt be a P220 mag in any of those calibers...but the mag looks just like the P225...and that would explain the 9mm ammo in a single stack that would be bigger than the P239 mag.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]]
17:48, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

That is so awesome that they used the Roni already...hopefully i will have one for my glock 19 by years end, talk about a zombie killer.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:What is the purpose of the RONI? Why not just use a Submachine gun or pistol caliber carbine and keep your pistol as a back up?
The Roni is a cheap and badass way for the average and un-rich to have a submachine gun...if the person already has a glock, for $600 you get a easy to use very accurate pistol caliber SBR with a grip that you are already familiar with. Find any SBR for cheaper and with easy access to 33rd mags.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

==Title Change==
This article is currently titled ''Nikita (2010)'', usually this is done with films that share the same title. Being as the other Nikita is a film and this one is a television series, should they be called ''Nikita'' and ''Nikita (series)'' respectively?
::Actually this conforms even though there is NO OTHER show called just ''''Nikita''''. Both the 1990 movie and the 1997 series were called "'''La Femme Nikita'''" (full correct title). This show is just called '''Nikita'''. Though we should NOT put the year on it, it is fair enough to do so since people will get it confused with the other show, even though the names are slightly different. I say keep the year, even though TECHNICALLY it does not need the year since there is no other show with just the name "Nikita". [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:::funny, but the russian name Nikita in Russia is the only male name. Moreover, it is not too common. Personally, I have it immediately evokes thoughts of the red-neck villager or a bald Nikita Khrushchev.[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 06:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/217.147.25.146|217.147.25.146]] 11:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

the sig is a 220. 45 cal single stack mag.

the glock is a replica glock that differs slightly from the real glock 26

==Micheal's Knife==
Does anyone know what the knife micheal handed nikita in the most recent episode is?

:Looks like a "Smith & Wesson HRT Double Edged Boot Knife [https://www.sealsactiongear.com/catalog/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=471]" to me. And for the future, posting in the middle of a big block of text on a different subject isn't the smartest idea. I've fixed it for you. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I apoligies im not that good with the whole editing thing in my own language, let alone english. But excuses are pointless so im sorry and thank you for the link.

=="Coup De Grace"==
Were the Division agents useing MP5s or SIG 552s when the took out the guards? The sights look realy similar.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:All the diivison agents use MP5s or Beretta 92FSs in that episode. The two agents who took out the guards were using suppressed MP5s (not the SD variant, just a regular one with silencer attached). They also all seem to have RIS hand-guards and vertical grips. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 22:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Strange pistol on this week's episode ==
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Mobile%20Uploads/0218111256.jpg?t=1298063063

What the hell is that? At first glance when she took it from the Russian gunman, I thought it was an FN Five-Seven. But upon closer examination, I don't think I've ever seen a pistol like that. Is it some kind of prop, non-gun, or flashpaper gun? And sorry for the low quality of the pic, I took it from right off the TV screen with my cell phone and uploaded it to Photobucket. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a Zoraki blank firing gun. Model 925. It's a semi/full auto that is often featured in handgun magazines; perhaps for those not wanting to carry a real gun, but to still have the deterrent. --[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 22:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

First pic is a different pic of the Zoraki (not 100% it is a [[Zoraki 925]] though as seems shorter in barrel and frame) showing that it has a hi-capacity magazine, but second I don't know. Is not the same, but from the look of it is another blank firer. I think that a lot of the bad guys from this episode are armed with this second gun aswell in the final gun fight, where rather than realistic muzzle flashes, the guns seem to produce sparks, like in a 70s cop show. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 23:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

[[Image:Nik 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Nik 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Found out that the second pistol is a Zoraki 914. Another full auto capable blank firer, seemingly based on a beretta. Not sure, but I think the only guns that were fired in this episode were Zoraki pistols. Would it be the case that they could have shot this in a location where blank firing pistols were easier or more legally expedient to get hold of than real pistols converted to blank firers? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:05, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Just noticed while sorting a couple of the unknown guns on the main page that there is a stainless Zoraki 914 used earlier in the series (first picture under "Unknown Pistols". Haven't done a section for it though, should blank firing guns that are not replicas of real guns go on the main page of a show, or discussion? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::They'd go on the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:31, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

== Michael's shotgun ==

[[Image:Vlcsnap-2011-02-25-17h00m58s63.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael's shotgun from ''Echoes'' (Season 1, Episode 16).]]
This is Michael's shotgun from the most recent episode. Firstly, am I correct in thinking this is a Remington 870, and if so are those some sort of special pins above the trigger, as they look way too big to be the normal ones. Secondly, does anyone know what kind of stock it has fitted? Lastly, this is one ugly shotgun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is a Remington Model 870, fitted with a telescoping buttstock of the M4 type. Not sure of exactly which brand. I see it has what appears to be a tri-rail foreend with folded grip on the bottom, and a mount on top for optics. Those pins above the trigger keep the trigger assembly in place, and likely are holding an off-side SideSaddle not seen. The usual pins sit flush with the receiver. - BC2009 7:05 PM, 2011-03-21

== Nikita in Sci Fi ==

Happened to look in the latest edition of Sci Fi Magazine, Maggie Q is on the cover, she's holding a Beretta w/ her finger on the trigger (naughty girl) and looking through the article, I happened to notice in one of the photos that Michael (Shane West) was holding his SIG. What caught my eye, however, was what appeared to the the "Clipdraw" attached to it. The Clipdraw, if you're not familiar with it attaches to the firearm you use the clip to attach the gun to your pants/belt. http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=395&action=show_detail
Thought I would pass that information along for you guys in case you wanted to add it to your information base. - BC2009, 7:09 PM, 2011-03-21

Looking at the scans posted here: http://multipleverses.com/2011/02/18/nikita-sci-fi-magazine-article-scans/ I can't see it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:20, 21 March 2011 (CDT)

Look at last page, with multiple pictures. Michael (Shane West) at rear of Vehicle, New York plates. Look just above his right hand at the long, slitted clip along the top of the grip. - BC2009 2011-04-04 1:14 PM

[[File:SciFiMag April20110011 1000x1500-2.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Looks like the grip to me. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:14, 7 April 2011 (CDT)]]

== Pistol Alex Used to Kill Vlad ==

For the second time I have watched the "Alexandra" Episode and have not been able to figure out what the pistol is that Alex used to kill Vlad. If anyone knows for sure, I would really like to know.

--[[User:Menacek04|Menacek04]] 21:34, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

Haven't seen the episode in a while so can't remember peoples' names, but do you mean the guy she kills a few minutes before the end of the episode? Not 100% but I reckon it is a Zoraki M906 blank firer. Shape seems to match, particularly the trigger guard, and it also has that odd sparky muzzle flash that the Zoraki 914 that Nikita uses in the same episode has. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:01, 1 April 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, that's the scene I am talking about. I am not so sure that the Zoraki M906 is it though. I will watch it again and see if that is the same thing.
I really appreciate your reply commando. Let you know after looking at it again. :)

--[[User:Menacek04|Menacek04]] 20:47, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

== Chiappa Rhino ==

In the latest episode (S01E17) Nikita uses a Chiappa Rhino with a 5" barrel. Aside from a replica one appearing in the anime [[Asobi ni Ikuyo: Bombshells from the Sky]], I think this is the first on screen appearance of this gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

==Alex's Pistol in Pandora==
Anyone get a clear idea of what it was? There were plenty of views, but nothing clear enough for my limited knowledge. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:32, 16 June 2011 (CDT)
:I think it is a [[Beretta Px4 Storm]], but not 100%. Anyone disagree? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:46, 16 June 2011 (CDT)
:[[File:Nikita Pandora px4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

I think I will agree. I first thought it was a [[Beretta Cougar]], but realized I was wrong. Should have thought it was the PX4 at the same time considering it's based of the Cougar. Also, I managed to get a better cap. I'll replace it in a second. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 06:28, 16 June 2011 (CDT)

== Nikita's pocket pistol ==

There was an episode (I think it was relatively early) where Michael had Nikita at gun point and made her disarm. She dropped her full size pistol, before Michael said "and the baby" or something like that, to which Nikita also dropped a pocket pistol of some sort. Does anyone know what episode this is, or better yet what the pistol was? It was vaguely PPKish in shape, but I think that top of the slide has a flat serrated/notched rib running along the length. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:36, 21 June 2011 (CDT)
:The episode is ''One Way'', and I really want to say it's an AMT Backup. Though other than some not so helpful Google Image results, and the brief shot in NCIS, I don't know it well enough to confirm. I'll get a cap up in a minute or two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:34, 21 June 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:Nikita-42.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
::Thanks for the screencap, I think your right about the ID too. At the time I thought it might have been an AMT backup, but dismissed it after googling it to confirm. Turns out though that I had looked up the .45 model, and that the .380 model is totally different in appearance of the slide. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:55, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

== P22 or P99? ==

I noticed the pistol the brainwashed woman uses in "Falling Ash" is listed as being a P99, however it has the combination of a hooked trigger guard and standard Picatinny rail that is exclusive to P22's and Airsoft P99's but at the same time no hammer is visible.
:[[File:WaltherP99 twotoneA.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Old-style P99, hooked guard but no Picatinny rail.]]
:[[File:Walther-P99QA RS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|New Style, Picatinny rail but has a squared guard.]]
:[[File:WaltherP22.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Walther P22, Note combination of Picatinny rail and hooked trigger guard.]]
:[[File:Nikita_P99.jpg|thumb|500px|none|I can't tell from this shot if it has a slide-mounted safety]]

I wasn't sure if I ought to mark it as P99C or something. If I'm wrong, let me know. Maybe someone can change it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 02:19, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

P99C has the rounded style trigger guard as well. I think it is a P22. The hammer is the bump that is visible at the top left of the pistol and is partially hidden due to the slight angle it is viewed at. I was just playing around with brightness/contrast, and although the safety is not quite visible due to the poor light, the gap in the slide serrations for the safety to move is visible. The ejection port looks wrong for a P99 variant as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:47, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

I'm pretty sure it is a P22. More than likely an off copy P22 airsoft gun. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

== Michael's Pistol ==

I think Michael's pistol that he uses from the start of Season 2 onwards is a [[Beretta 93R]] with the forward grip removed and barrel cut down, feeding from standard 15 round magazines. A similar pistol can be seen in [[Resident_Evil:_Afterlife#Beretta_93R|Resident Evil: Afterlife]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:50, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

[[File:Nikita-45.jpg|thumb|500px|none|--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:02, 22 October 2011 (CDT)]]

You're probly right. It sounds like he's firing it on 3-round burst in "Knightfall"--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:17, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

Although in some cases I have noticed that when the gun is fired it is just a regular gunshot sound, but you can see a number of cases being ejected. He is also firing a three round burst in the above screen shot, but it is clearly CG as the hammer simply falls down and the weapon doesn't cycle at all, and the rate of fire is way too slow at only about 300 RPM rather than the 1000+ it should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:05, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

In your screenshot, i'm pretty sure he's firing it on semi. Watch the shootout in the previous episode, you'll see what i mean.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:17, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Semi-auto in the scene shown in the screenshot (2.04), though he does fire 3 rounds. The hammer drops after the first round, and as far as I could see doesn't move again. In ''Knightfall'' (2.03) he uses it in the burst mode. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:11, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Hawk Shotgun ==

I think the shotguns described as the "Hawk 97-1 Tactical" are actually shortened [[Valtro PM5 Shotgun|Valtro PM5 shotguns]], based on the magazine, tube design and the stock. The Valtro has already appeared in other Canadian productions such as ''[[Icarus]]'' and ''[[Hunt to Kill]]'', so the chance of it being used is more likely than the Hawk. - Markit

[[File:Valtro-PM5.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Valtro PM5, a magazine fed, pump action shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

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Peejn8r: /* P22 or P99? */

==Misc.==

Thanks to whoever added the guns in the case. I forgot them somehow--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 14:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the SIG P225 is a 225 because it seemed to have a single-stack mag when she took it out. Your opinion?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 14:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:At the end? I'm pretty sure that was Michael's P220. Or at least what I believe was a P220. It's single stack and looks full size. But at the same time something feels off. I've never doubted myself with an ID before. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
::It is single stack but not full size. Most likely a SIG P239.

The one at the end of the episode? No, definitely not a P239. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:You're right, I checked the main article. Before I didn't realize the gun she pulled at the end was different from the one she took out of her case.

Is the Glock in Nikita's gun case really a 26? The butt of the grip on the 26 is angled in relation to the slide but the butt of the grip on the Glock in the case appears to be parallel to the slide. I think it's actually a Gen 3 or 4 G17. The thumb rest also appears to be more elongated that the 26's and the Glock logo on the grip appears to be farther away from the slide than the 26's logo. --[[User:Newshawk|Newshawk]] 22:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think you're right, it looks more like a Glock 19. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::No, the G19 has an angled buttplate where the G17 has a straight one. --[[User:Newshawk|Newshawk]] 05:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The pic on the main page with the ammo showing in the mag is under the Sig 220 section. But the ammo appears to be Fiocchi 9mm ammo and the mag even looks like the P225 mag. Plus, those bullet look small compared to her finger tips so i doubt they are 230gr. fmj's.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks to big to be a P225, they're essentially single stack versions of the P228 right? P220's used to be available in 9x19mm, .32 ACP and .38 Super. I've been thinking it was one of those calibers. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:24, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think it was .30 Luger not .32 ACP. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The mag looks to new so it shouldnt be a P220 mag in any of those calibers...but the mag looks just like the P225...and that would explain the 9mm ammo in a single stack that would be bigger than the P239 mag.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]]
17:48, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

That is so awesome that they used the Roni already...hopefully i will have one for my glock 19 by years end, talk about a zombie killer.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:What is the purpose of the RONI? Why not just use a Submachine gun or pistol caliber carbine and keep your pistol as a back up?
The Roni is a cheap and badass way for the average and un-rich to have a submachine gun...if the person already has a glock, for $600 you get a easy to use very accurate pistol caliber SBR with a grip that you are already familiar with. Find any SBR for cheaper and with easy access to 33rd mags.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

==Title Change==
This article is currently titled ''Nikita (2010)'', usually this is done with films that share the same title. Being as the other Nikita is a film and this one is a television series, should they be called ''Nikita'' and ''Nikita (series)'' respectively?
::Actually this conforms even though there is NO OTHER show called just ''''Nikita''''. Both the 1990 movie and the 1997 series were called "'''La Femme Nikita'''" (full correct title). This show is just called '''Nikita'''. Though we should NOT put the year on it, it is fair enough to do so since people will get it confused with the other show, even though the names are slightly different. I say keep the year, even though TECHNICALLY it does not need the year since there is no other show with just the name "Nikita". [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:::funny, but the russian name Nikita in Russia is the only male name. Moreover, it is not too common. Personally, I have it immediately evokes thoughts of the red-neck villager or a bald Nikita Khrushchev.[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 06:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/217.147.25.146|217.147.25.146]] 11:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

the sig is a 220. 45 cal single stack mag.

the glock is a replica glock that differs slightly from the real glock 26

==Micheal's Knife==
Does anyone know what the knife micheal handed nikita in the most recent episode is?

:Looks like a "Smith & Wesson HRT Double Edged Boot Knife [https://www.sealsactiongear.com/catalog/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=471]" to me. And for the future, posting in the middle of a big block of text on a different subject isn't the smartest idea. I've fixed it for you. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I apoligies im not that good with the whole editing thing in my own language, let alone english. But excuses are pointless so im sorry and thank you for the link.

=="Coup De Grace"==
Were the Division agents useing MP5s or SIG 552s when the took out the guards? The sights look realy similar.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:All the diivison agents use MP5s or Beretta 92FSs in that episode. The two agents who took out the guards were using suppressed MP5s (not the SD variant, just a regular one with silencer attached). They also all seem to have RIS hand-guards and vertical grips. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 22:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Strange pistol on this week's episode ==
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Mobile%20Uploads/0218111256.jpg?t=1298063063

What the hell is that? At first glance when she took it from the Russian gunman, I thought it was an FN Five-Seven. But upon closer examination, I don't think I've ever seen a pistol like that. Is it some kind of prop, non-gun, or flashpaper gun? And sorry for the low quality of the pic, I took it from right off the TV screen with my cell phone and uploaded it to Photobucket. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a Zoraki blank firing gun. Model 925. It's a semi/full auto that is often featured in handgun magazines; perhaps for those not wanting to carry a real gun, but to still have the deterrent. --[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 22:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

First pic is a different pic of the Zoraki (not 100% it is a [[Zoraki 925]] though as seems shorter in barrel and frame) showing that it has a hi-capacity magazine, but second I don't know. Is not the same, but from the look of it is another blank firer. I think that a lot of the bad guys from this episode are armed with this second gun aswell in the final gun fight, where rather than realistic muzzle flashes, the guns seem to produce sparks, like in a 70s cop show. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 23:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

[[Image:Nik 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Nik 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Found out that the second pistol is a Zoraki 914. Another full auto capable blank firer, seemingly based on a beretta. Not sure, but I think the only guns that were fired in this episode were Zoraki pistols. Would it be the case that they could have shot this in a location where blank firing pistols were easier or more legally expedient to get hold of than real pistols converted to blank firers? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:05, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Just noticed while sorting a couple of the unknown guns on the main page that there is a stainless Zoraki 914 used earlier in the series (first picture under "Unknown Pistols". Haven't done a section for it though, should blank firing guns that are not replicas of real guns go on the main page of a show, or discussion? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::They'd go on the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:31, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

== Michael's shotgun ==

[[Image:Vlcsnap-2011-02-25-17h00m58s63.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael's shotgun from ''Echoes'' (Season 1, Episode 16).]]
This is Michael's shotgun from the most recent episode. Firstly, am I correct in thinking this is a Remington 870, and if so are those some sort of special pins above the trigger, as they look way too big to be the normal ones. Secondly, does anyone know what kind of stock it has fitted? Lastly, this is one ugly shotgun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is a Remington Model 870, fitted with a telescoping buttstock of the M4 type. Not sure of exactly which brand. I see it has what appears to be a tri-rail foreend with folded grip on the bottom, and a mount on top for optics. Those pins above the trigger keep the trigger assembly in place, and likely are holding an off-side SideSaddle not seen. The usual pins sit flush with the receiver. - BC2009 7:05 PM, 2011-03-21

== Nikita in Sci Fi ==

Happened to look in the latest edition of Sci Fi Magazine, Maggie Q is on the cover, she's holding a Beretta w/ her finger on the trigger (naughty girl) and looking through the article, I happened to notice in one of the photos that Michael (Shane West) was holding his SIG. What caught my eye, however, was what appeared to the the "Clipdraw" attached to it. The Clipdraw, if you're not familiar with it attaches to the firearm you use the clip to attach the gun to your pants/belt. http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=395&action=show_detail
Thought I would pass that information along for you guys in case you wanted to add it to your information base. - BC2009, 7:09 PM, 2011-03-21

Looking at the scans posted here: http://multipleverses.com/2011/02/18/nikita-sci-fi-magazine-article-scans/ I can't see it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:20, 21 March 2011 (CDT)

Look at last page, with multiple pictures. Michael (Shane West) at rear of Vehicle, New York plates. Look just above his right hand at the long, slitted clip along the top of the grip. - BC2009 2011-04-04 1:14 PM

[[File:SciFiMag April20110011 1000x1500-2.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Looks like the grip to me. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:14, 7 April 2011 (CDT)]]

== Pistol Alex Used to Kill Vlad ==

For the second time I have watched the "Alexandra" Episode and have not been able to figure out what the pistol is that Alex used to kill Vlad. If anyone knows for sure, I would really like to know.

--[[User:Menacek04|Menacek04]] 21:34, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

Haven't seen the episode in a while so can't remember peoples' names, but do you mean the guy she kills a few minutes before the end of the episode? Not 100% but I reckon it is a Zoraki M906 blank firer. Shape seems to match, particularly the trigger guard, and it also has that odd sparky muzzle flash that the Zoraki 914 that Nikita uses in the same episode has. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:01, 1 April 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, that's the scene I am talking about. I am not so sure that the Zoraki M906 is it though. I will watch it again and see if that is the same thing.
I really appreciate your reply commando. Let you know after looking at it again. :)

--[[User:Menacek04|Menacek04]] 20:47, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

== Chiappa Rhino ==

In the latest episode (S01E17) Nikita uses a Chiappa Rhino with a 5" barrel. Aside from a replica one appearing in the anime [[Asobi ni Ikuyo: Bombshells from the Sky]], I think this is the first on screen appearance of this gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

==Alex's Pistol in Pandora==
Anyone get a clear idea of what it was? There were plenty of views, but nothing clear enough for my limited knowledge. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:32, 16 June 2011 (CDT)
:I think it is a [[Beretta Px4 Storm]], but not 100%. Anyone disagree? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:46, 16 June 2011 (CDT)
:[[File:Nikita Pandora px4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

I think I will agree. I first thought it was a [[Beretta Cougar]], but realized I was wrong. Should have thought it was the PX4 at the same time considering it's based of the Cougar. Also, I managed to get a better cap. I'll replace it in a second. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 06:28, 16 June 2011 (CDT)

== Nikita's pocket pistol ==

There was an episode (I think it was relatively early) where Michael had Nikita at gun point and made her disarm. She dropped her full size pistol, before Michael said "and the baby" or something like that, to which Nikita also dropped a pocket pistol of some sort. Does anyone know what episode this is, or better yet what the pistol was? It was vaguely PPKish in shape, but I think that top of the slide has a flat serrated/notched rib running along the length. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:36, 21 June 2011 (CDT)
:The episode is ''One Way'', and I really want to say it's an AMT Backup. Though other than some not so helpful Google Image results, and the brief shot in NCIS, I don't know it well enough to confirm. I'll get a cap up in a minute or two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:34, 21 June 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:Nikita-42.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
::Thanks for the screencap, I think your right about the ID too. At the time I thought it might have been an AMT backup, but dismissed it after googling it to confirm. Turns out though that I had looked up the .45 model, and that the .380 model is totally different in appearance of the slide. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:55, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

== P22 or P99? ==

I noticed the pistol the brainwashed woman uses in "Falling Ash" is listed as being a P99, however it has the combination of a hooked trigger guard and standard Picatinny rail that is exclusive to P22's and Airsoft P99's but at the same time no hammer is visible.
:[[File:WaltherP99 twotoneA.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Old-style P99, hooked guard but no Picatinny rail.]]
:[[File:Walther-P99QA RS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|New Style, Picatinny rail but has a squared guard.]]
:[[File:WaltherP22.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Walther P22, Note combination of Picatinny rail and hooked trigger guard.]]
:[[File:Nikita_P99.jpg|thumb|500px|none|I can't tell from this shot if it has a slide-mounted safety]]

I wasn't sure if I ought to mark it as P99C or something. If I'm wrong, let me know. Maybe someone can change it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 02:19, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

P99C has the rounded style trigger guard as well. I think it is a P22. The hammer is the bump that is visible at the top left of the pistol and is partially hidden due to the slight angle it is viewed at. I was just playing around with brightness/contrast, and although the safety is not quite visible due to the poor light, the gap in the slide serrations for the safety to move is visible. The ejection port looks wrong for a P99 variant as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:47, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

I was thinking it might be a Walther PK380. Not sure now because they still have a hammer. Looks like it must be a hammerless P22 because I think that is the only one with a hooked trigger guard and rail.

== Michael's Pistol ==

I think Michael's pistol that he uses from the start of Season 2 onwards is a [[Beretta 93R]] with the forward grip removed and barrel cut down, feeding from standard 15 round magazines. A similar pistol can be seen in [[Resident_Evil:_Afterlife#Beretta_93R|Resident Evil: Afterlife]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:50, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

[[File:Nikita-45.jpg|thumb|500px|none|--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:02, 22 October 2011 (CDT)]]

You're probly right. It sounds like he's firing it on 3-round burst in "Knightfall"--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:17, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

Although in some cases I have noticed that when the gun is fired it is just a regular gunshot sound, but you can see a number of cases being ejected. He is also firing a three round burst in the above screen shot, but it is clearly CG as the hammer simply falls down and the weapon doesn't cycle at all, and the rate of fire is way too slow at only about 300 RPM rather than the 1000+ it should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:05, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

In your screenshot, i'm pretty sure he's firing it on semi. Watch the shootout in the previous episode, you'll see what i mean.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:17, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Semi-auto in the scene shown in the screenshot (2.04), though he does fire 3 rounds. The hammer drops after the first round, and as far as I could see doesn't move again. In ''Knightfall'' (2.03) he uses it in the burst mode. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:11, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Hawk Shotgun ==

I think the shotguns described as the "Hawk 97-1 Tactical" are actually shortened [[Valtro PM5 Shotgun|Valtro PM5 shotguns]], based on the magazine, tube design and the stock. The Valtro has already appeared in other Canadian productions such as ''[[Icarus]]'' and ''[[Hunt to Kill]]'', so the chance of it being used is more likely than the Hawk. - Markit

[[File:Valtro-PM5.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Valtro PM5, a magazine fed, pump action shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

Talk:Nikita (2010)

2011-10-27T15:18:26Z

Peejn8r: /* P22 or P99? */

==Misc.==

Thanks to whoever added the guns in the case. I forgot them somehow--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 14:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the SIG P225 is a 225 because it seemed to have a single-stack mag when she took it out. Your opinion?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 14:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:At the end? I'm pretty sure that was Michael's P220. Or at least what I believe was a P220. It's single stack and looks full size. But at the same time something feels off. I've never doubted myself with an ID before. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
::It is single stack but not full size. Most likely a SIG P239.

The one at the end of the episode? No, definitely not a P239. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:You're right, I checked the main article. Before I didn't realize the gun she pulled at the end was different from the one she took out of her case.

Is the Glock in Nikita's gun case really a 26? The butt of the grip on the 26 is angled in relation to the slide but the butt of the grip on the Glock in the case appears to be parallel to the slide. I think it's actually a Gen 3 or 4 G17. The thumb rest also appears to be more elongated that the 26's and the Glock logo on the grip appears to be farther away from the slide than the 26's logo. --[[User:Newshawk|Newshawk]] 22:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think you're right, it looks more like a Glock 19. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::No, the G19 has an angled buttplate where the G17 has a straight one. --[[User:Newshawk|Newshawk]] 05:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The pic on the main page with the ammo showing in the mag is under the Sig 220 section. But the ammo appears to be Fiocchi 9mm ammo and the mag even looks like the P225 mag. Plus, those bullet look small compared to her finger tips so i doubt they are 230gr. fmj's.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks to big to be a P225, they're essentially single stack versions of the P228 right? P220's used to be available in 9x19mm, .32 ACP and .38 Super. I've been thinking it was one of those calibers. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:24, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think it was .30 Luger not .32 ACP. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The mag looks to new so it shouldnt be a P220 mag in any of those calibers...but the mag looks just like the P225...and that would explain the 9mm ammo in a single stack that would be bigger than the P239 mag.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]]
17:48, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

That is so awesome that they used the Roni already...hopefully i will have one for my glock 19 by years end, talk about a zombie killer.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:What is the purpose of the RONI? Why not just use a Submachine gun or pistol caliber carbine and keep your pistol as a back up?
The Roni is a cheap and badass way for the average and un-rich to have a submachine gun...if the person already has a glock, for $600 you get a easy to use very accurate pistol caliber SBR with a grip that you are already familiar with. Find any SBR for cheaper and with easy access to 33rd mags.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

==Title Change==
This article is currently titled ''Nikita (2010)'', usually this is done with films that share the same title. Being as the other Nikita is a film and this one is a television series, should they be called ''Nikita'' and ''Nikita (series)'' respectively?
::Actually this conforms even though there is NO OTHER show called just ''''Nikita''''. Both the 1990 movie and the 1997 series were called "'''La Femme Nikita'''" (full correct title). This show is just called '''Nikita'''. Though we should NOT put the year on it, it is fair enough to do so since people will get it confused with the other show, even though the names are slightly different. I say keep the year, even though TECHNICALLY it does not need the year since there is no other show with just the name "Nikita". [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:::funny, but the russian name Nikita in Russia is the only male name. Moreover, it is not too common. Personally, I have it immediately evokes thoughts of the red-neck villager or a bald Nikita Khrushchev.[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 06:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/217.147.25.146|217.147.25.146]] 11:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

the sig is a 220. 45 cal single stack mag.

the glock is a replica glock that differs slightly from the real glock 26

==Micheal's Knife==
Does anyone know what the knife micheal handed nikita in the most recent episode is?

:Looks like a "Smith & Wesson HRT Double Edged Boot Knife [https://www.sealsactiongear.com/catalog/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=471]" to me. And for the future, posting in the middle of a big block of text on a different subject isn't the smartest idea. I've fixed it for you. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I apoligies im not that good with the whole editing thing in my own language, let alone english. But excuses are pointless so im sorry and thank you for the link.

=="Coup De Grace"==
Were the Division agents useing MP5s or SIG 552s when the took out the guards? The sights look realy similar.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:All the diivison agents use MP5s or Beretta 92FSs in that episode. The two agents who took out the guards were using suppressed MP5s (not the SD variant, just a regular one with silencer attached). They also all seem to have RIS hand-guards and vertical grips. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 22:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Strange pistol on this week's episode ==
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Mobile%20Uploads/0218111256.jpg?t=1298063063

What the hell is that? At first glance when she took it from the Russian gunman, I thought it was an FN Five-Seven. But upon closer examination, I don't think I've ever seen a pistol like that. Is it some kind of prop, non-gun, or flashpaper gun? And sorry for the low quality of the pic, I took it from right off the TV screen with my cell phone and uploaded it to Photobucket. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a Zoraki blank firing gun. Model 925. It's a semi/full auto that is often featured in handgun magazines; perhaps for those not wanting to carry a real gun, but to still have the deterrent. --[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 22:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

First pic is a different pic of the Zoraki (not 100% it is a [[Zoraki 925]] though as seems shorter in barrel and frame) showing that it has a hi-capacity magazine, but second I don't know. Is not the same, but from the look of it is another blank firer. I think that a lot of the bad guys from this episode are armed with this second gun aswell in the final gun fight, where rather than realistic muzzle flashes, the guns seem to produce sparks, like in a 70s cop show. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 23:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

[[Image:Nik 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Nik 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Found out that the second pistol is a Zoraki 914. Another full auto capable blank firer, seemingly based on a beretta. Not sure, but I think the only guns that were fired in this episode were Zoraki pistols. Would it be the case that they could have shot this in a location where blank firing pistols were easier or more legally expedient to get hold of than real pistols converted to blank firers? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:05, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Just noticed while sorting a couple of the unknown guns on the main page that there is a stainless Zoraki 914 used earlier in the series (first picture under "Unknown Pistols". Haven't done a section for it though, should blank firing guns that are not replicas of real guns go on the main page of a show, or discussion? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::They'd go on the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:31, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

== Michael's shotgun ==

[[Image:Vlcsnap-2011-02-25-17h00m58s63.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael's shotgun from ''Echoes'' (Season 1, Episode 16).]]
This is Michael's shotgun from the most recent episode. Firstly, am I correct in thinking this is a Remington 870, and if so are those some sort of special pins above the trigger, as they look way too big to be the normal ones. Secondly, does anyone know what kind of stock it has fitted? Lastly, this is one ugly shotgun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is a Remington Model 870, fitted with a telescoping buttstock of the M4 type. Not sure of exactly which brand. I see it has what appears to be a tri-rail foreend with folded grip on the bottom, and a mount on top for optics. Those pins above the trigger keep the trigger assembly in place, and likely are holding an off-side SideSaddle not seen. The usual pins sit flush with the receiver. - BC2009 7:05 PM, 2011-03-21

== Nikita in Sci Fi ==

Happened to look in the latest edition of Sci Fi Magazine, Maggie Q is on the cover, she's holding a Beretta w/ her finger on the trigger (naughty girl) and looking through the article, I happened to notice in one of the photos that Michael (Shane West) was holding his SIG. What caught my eye, however, was what appeared to the the "Clipdraw" attached to it. The Clipdraw, if you're not familiar with it attaches to the firearm you use the clip to attach the gun to your pants/belt. http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=395&action=show_detail
Thought I would pass that information along for you guys in case you wanted to add it to your information base. - BC2009, 7:09 PM, 2011-03-21

Looking at the scans posted here: http://multipleverses.com/2011/02/18/nikita-sci-fi-magazine-article-scans/ I can't see it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:20, 21 March 2011 (CDT)

Look at last page, with multiple pictures. Michael (Shane West) at rear of Vehicle, New York plates. Look just above his right hand at the long, slitted clip along the top of the grip. - BC2009 2011-04-04 1:14 PM

[[File:SciFiMag April20110011 1000x1500-2.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Looks like the grip to me. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:14, 7 April 2011 (CDT)]]

== Pistol Alex Used to Kill Vlad ==

For the second time I have watched the "Alexandra" Episode and have not been able to figure out what the pistol is that Alex used to kill Vlad. If anyone knows for sure, I would really like to know.

--[[User:Menacek04|Menacek04]] 21:34, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

Haven't seen the episode in a while so can't remember peoples' names, but do you mean the guy she kills a few minutes before the end of the episode? Not 100% but I reckon it is a Zoraki M906 blank firer. Shape seems to match, particularly the trigger guard, and it also has that odd sparky muzzle flash that the Zoraki 914 that Nikita uses in the same episode has. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:01, 1 April 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, that's the scene I am talking about. I am not so sure that the Zoraki M906 is it though. I will watch it again and see if that is the same thing.
I really appreciate your reply commando. Let you know after looking at it again. :)

--[[User:Menacek04|Menacek04]] 20:47, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

== Chiappa Rhino ==

In the latest episode (S01E17) Nikita uses a Chiappa Rhino with a 5" barrel. Aside from a replica one appearing in the anime [[Asobi ni Ikuyo: Bombshells from the Sky]], I think this is the first on screen appearance of this gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

==Alex's Pistol in Pandora==
Anyone get a clear idea of what it was? There were plenty of views, but nothing clear enough for my limited knowledge. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:32, 16 June 2011 (CDT)
:I think it is a [[Beretta Px4 Storm]], but not 100%. Anyone disagree? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:46, 16 June 2011 (CDT)
:[[File:Nikita Pandora px4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

I think I will agree. I first thought it was a [[Beretta Cougar]], but realized I was wrong. Should have thought it was the PX4 at the same time considering it's based of the Cougar. Also, I managed to get a better cap. I'll replace it in a second. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 06:28, 16 June 2011 (CDT)

== Nikita's pocket pistol ==

There was an episode (I think it was relatively early) where Michael had Nikita at gun point and made her disarm. She dropped her full size pistol, before Michael said "and the baby" or something like that, to which Nikita also dropped a pocket pistol of some sort. Does anyone know what episode this is, or better yet what the pistol was? It was vaguely PPKish in shape, but I think that top of the slide has a flat serrated/notched rib running along the length. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:36, 21 June 2011 (CDT)
:The episode is ''One Way'', and I really want to say it's an AMT Backup. Though other than some not so helpful Google Image results, and the brief shot in NCIS, I don't know it well enough to confirm. I'll get a cap up in a minute or two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:34, 21 June 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:Nikita-42.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
::Thanks for the screencap, I think your right about the ID too. At the time I thought it might have been an AMT backup, but dismissed it after googling it to confirm. Turns out though that I had looked up the .45 model, and that the .380 model is totally different in appearance of the slide. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:55, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

== P22 or P99? ==

I noticed the pistol the brainwashed woman uses in "Falling Ash" is listed as being a P99, however it has the combination of a hooked trigger guard and standard Picatinny rail that is exclusive to P22's and Airsoft P99's but at the same time no hammer is visible.
:[[File:WaltherP99 twotoneA.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Old-style P99, hooked guard but no Picatinny rail.]]
:[[File:Walther-P99QA RS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|New Style, Picatinny rail but has a squared guard.]]
:[[File:WaltherP22.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Walther P22, Note combination of Picatinny rail and hooked trigger guard.]]
:[[File:Nikita_P99.jpg|thumb|500px|none|I can't tell from this shot if it has a slide-mounted safety]]

I wasn't sure if I ought to mark it as P99C or something. If I'm wrong, let me know. Maybe someone can change it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 02:19, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

P99C has the rounded style trigger guard as well. I think it is a P22. The hammer is the bump that is visible at the top left of the pistol and is partially hidden due to the slight angle it is viewed at. I was just playing around with brightness/contrast, and although the safety is not quite visible due to the poor light, the gap in the slide serrations for the safety to move is visible. The ejection port looks wrong for a P99 variant as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:47, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

It's a Walther PK380.

== Michael's Pistol ==

I think Michael's pistol that he uses from the start of Season 2 onwards is a [[Beretta 93R]] with the forward grip removed and barrel cut down, feeding from standard 15 round magazines. A similar pistol can be seen in [[Resident_Evil:_Afterlife#Beretta_93R|Resident Evil: Afterlife]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:50, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

[[File:Nikita-45.jpg|thumb|500px|none|--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:02, 22 October 2011 (CDT)]]

You're probly right. It sounds like he's firing it on 3-round burst in "Knightfall"--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:17, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

Although in some cases I have noticed that when the gun is fired it is just a regular gunshot sound, but you can see a number of cases being ejected. He is also firing a three round burst in the above screen shot, but it is clearly CG as the hammer simply falls down and the weapon doesn't cycle at all, and the rate of fire is way too slow at only about 300 RPM rather than the 1000+ it should be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:05, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

In your screenshot, i'm pretty sure he's firing it on semi. Watch the shootout in the previous episode, you'll see what i mean.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:17, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

:Semi-auto in the scene shown in the screenshot (2.04), though he does fire 3 rounds. The hammer drops after the first round, and as far as I could see doesn't move again. In ''Knightfall'' (2.03) he uses it in the burst mode. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:11, 22 October 2011 (CDT)

== Hawk Shotgun ==

I think the shotguns described as the "Hawk 97-1 Tactical" are actually shortened [[Valtro PM5 Shotgun|Valtro PM5 shotguns]], based on the magazine, tube design and the stock. The Valtro has already appeared in other Canadian productions such as ''[[Icarus]]'' and ''[[Hunt to Kill]]'', so the chance of it being used is more likely than the Hawk. - Markit

[[File:Valtro-PM5.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Valtro PM5, a magazine fed, pump action shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

Talk:M1911 pistol series

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==Additional Variants==
===Screen Used===
[[Image:EnemyofState1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Screen-used original Colt M1911 pistol wielded by [[Gene Hackman]]'s character Brill in ''[[Enemy of the State]]'', serial #357414 (photo from Long Mountain Outfitters).]]
[[Image:M1911WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen used M1911 pistol (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Sam Elliott]] as Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen Used Hero Gun M1911A1, carried by [[Mel Gibson]] as Lt. Col. Hal Moore in the film ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP. Provided by Cinema Weaponry.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Saradet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detonics 1911 used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''. Image courtesy of ScreeUsed.com]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated ''[[Titanic]]'' M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual D&L Sports Professional Model Longslides - .45 ACP movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, golden suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:ShootEmUp-HammersonNiteTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac (.45 ACP) used in ''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the engraved Hammerson logo. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:1911-The Getaway.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Government Commercial M1911 - .45 ACP used by [[Steve McQueen]] in the film ''[[Getaway, The (1972)]]''.]]
[[Image:M&MSColtXSEusedinfilm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt M1911A1 XSE - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]''.]]
[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The two blank firing prop custom Colt M1911A1s used in the film ''[[Punisher, The (2004)]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:NashBridges1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nash Bridges' Custom 1911 - .38 Super. This is the actual pistol that was used by [[Don Johnson]] in the show ''[[Nash Bridges]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt-M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The actual M1911A1 [[Pierce Brosnan]] used in ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SerenityM191A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Jayne Cobb's Mocked-Up Custom M1911A1 - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Serenity]]''.]]
[[Image:P00654 1911 Full Left.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Colt M1911 with Nickel-plated and pearl grips - .45 ACP pistol. This non-firing prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film '''[[The Other Guys]]'''. The gun is accompanied by the Galco shoulder holster and clip pouch also used in numerous scenes from the film. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TGC&Product_Code=P00654&Category_Code=OtherGuys here].]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by [[Sylvester Stallone‎]] in ''[[Expendables, The|The Expendables]]'' - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:IMG 0444.JPG|thumb|none|450px|[[M1911|Colt MK IV Series 80]] - .45 ACP This was used in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' and the series ''[[Chase]]'' and ''[[Dark Blue]]''.]]

===Airsoft Variants===
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film ''[[Se7en]]''.]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of [[Cobra]]'s Colt GC National Match - 9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:Htk1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft replica of Storm's M1911A1 from ''[[Hard to Kill]]'' - made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Replica of Castor Troy's custom Springfield Armory M1911-A1 - .45 ACP from the film ''[[Face/Off]]''.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica - .45 ACP, very similar to what Frank ([[James Caan]]) used in the film ''[[Thief]]''.]]
[[Image:Snake_.45-2.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Sheriff Co. "Custom M1911" Airsoft Gun - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft replica of a Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Baby1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft WE HiCapa 5.1 Full Metal Dragon Custom M1911 (Type B) Black Model with blue LED lights in the grip - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Detonics CombatMaster M1911 airsoft.jpg|450px|thumb|none|WE "Caspian Arms" M1911 replica of a Detonics CombatMaster M1911 or a Colt Officer's ACP - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Colt M1911.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Yu Teng 'YT385' replica of the original Colt M1911A1 model - .45ACP]]

===Other Replicas===
[[Image:Snake_.45.JPG|thumb|none|450px|CGI rendering of the Springfield Operator from the game [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]] - .45 ACP]]

===Other Variants===
[[File:M1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detailed screenshot of prewar M1911A1]]
[[Image:Kimber_Ultra_Crimson_Carry_II.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:AMT_Hardballer_Hitman_Replica.jpg|390px|thumb|none|A near-perfect, firing, replica of the "Silverballers" from the Hitman series.]]

[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 .45 ACP with Pachymar grips]]
[[Image:Taurus PT1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Taurus PT1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Bruni8mm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni M1911A1-style blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank.]]
[[Image:Para1911G.I..jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para 1911 G.I. Expert - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SA_loaded_m1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded M1911A1 - .45 ACP similar to the one used by Sydney Bristow from ''[[Alias]]''.]]
[[Image:Peter-1-5006-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Federal Ordnance PSP-07 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TIKI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Strayer Voight Infinity TIKI - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt Series 80 M1911A1 pistol similair to one in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberUltraRaptor.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Kimber Stainless Ultra Raptor - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Para645LDA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance 6.45 LDA with spare magazines - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtDefenderRIGHT83.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Defender - .45 ACP was similar to the one used in the game ''[[Uncharted 2: Among Thieves]]''.]]
[[Image:GM45M1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Hybrid 1911 "Gladys" fitted with a nickel plated three cut compensator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Delta 001.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Delta Elite - 10mm Auto]]
[[Image:SM178017.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 Pro Series - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SW108282.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberWarrior.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP like the one in the show ''[[24 - Season 8|24]]''.]]
[[Image:FLX 2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nighthawk FLX - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Triple_Tap_IMM_Open_pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|This SVI 1911 - .45 ACP is almost exactly like the one used in the film ''[[Triple Tap]]''. The description on the website reads, "IMM Open pistol made of carbon steel with Titanium compensator." (Picture supplied by sviguns.com)]]
[[Image:CaptainPriceSALoaded.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Captain Price SA Loaded - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911WideSpur.png|thumb|none|450px|Springfield GI 1911 A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:The Veteran Colt 1991A1 Series 80.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 Series 80 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1USAF.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Black Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_ultra_compact.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Springfield Armory Ultra Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PX9105MLP.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded MC Operator - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_Armory_Omega.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Omega - .45 ACP]]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

Agreed --[[PunisherDave]]

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Correction, Glocks are not DAO. They fire from a half-cocked position. When you dry fire the gun, the hammer falls and must be recocked by racking the slide, it does not cock by double action springs. That's why the have a slightly heavy trigger pull, they are half cocked, and are brought to full cock and dropped by pulling the trigger. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::: Bah, how did I miss that.. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

i thought glocks were striker-fired?

I think I read that Tacoma, WA police carry 1911s as standard issue service weapons.

I read on another forum that the LAPD authorises 1911 varients to officers, however they have to go through an intense training program to be authorised for it and they have to re-qualify ever few months too. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:30, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

Yes. A Glock is a "striker-fired" weapon so technically it is not either double action or single action because a glock doesnt have a hammer but instead releases the firing pin inside the slide. However if you were going to have to compare it, Single Action would be the closest term. Because the firing pin is "cocked" when the slide is racked and then the trigger only releases it and firing the round. Additionally a Glock does not qualify as a double action because it in no way cocks anything with the trigger. The trigger on a Glock can not be pulled again without cycling the weapon, whereas on a gun that is a double action the trigger can be pulled and the hammer actuated multiple times without cycling the weapon. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of at least 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:With regard to caliber, police need rounds that can penetrate car bodies, doors, walls, etc. .45 rounds are not known for penetration. Also, while the .45 round is more effective against soft tissue than 9mm and .40 S&W rounds, anyone who tries to claim that 7 .45 rounds can do the work of 20 9mm or .40 rounds is completely dillusional. Watch ballistic test videos. A .45 slug entering the body does more damage than a 9mm round entering the body. If you try to claim that one .45 wound is more damaging than 2 9mm wounds with any decent grouping than you clearly have no understanding of physics or human anatomy.

But the fact remains with a 9mm you dont want him dead in the half hour it will take for him to bleed out. you want him dead NOW. with the .45 hes going to feel it. he aint gunna get back up. with the 9mm he might just keep firing.
:Depending on shot placement. A 9mm slug to the heart or any of the major arteries surrounding it will cause death within several seconds. The same is true of a shot to most areas of the skull. .45 does have increased lethality over 9mm, but that degree of superiority has been greatly exaggerated.

Yeah but a 9mm can pass through a person and keep going, a .45 doesn't. I would imagine you wouldn't want those two 9mm rounds going through a person and hitting an innocent bystander. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:28, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

It all really comes down to preference. Honestly a body shot with any round is not guaranteed to kill or stop anyone. The only thing guaranteed to immediately incapacitate someone is to severing the brain from the rest of the body. Recoil is also a big factor. If you cant shoot it it doesnt matter what you carry. People and police departments have to find the weapon that will work best for them. Personally I like the .45 and I own a 1911. The most important feature on the 1911 for me is its thinness with the single stack mag. Honestly I think my Sig 229 .40 kicks more violently and is harder to shoot than my .45. I know a lot of people who do not like the .45 and much prefer their 9mm because they are better with it. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. I am of course referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Everything you have described establishes that the gun is a good design, perhaps the best gun around when it first came out, but does not explain it's enduring following. The grip may be confortable for many people, but that is far too subjective to explain why so many people (with so many different hand sizes) still favor this gun. It's single stack magazine make it a confortable target and practical concealed carry weapon, but the limited capacity it offers can be a death trap in a combat weapon (which many still claim the 1911 is the quintessential example of). The .45 ACP is a great round against soft targets, but does not offer very good penetration or long distance acuracy. And with the isistance on reliable "Soldier Proof" weapons in most of today's militaries, many modern pistols are more reliable and easier to strip than the original 1911s. I don't deny that the 1911 was most likely the best pistol in the world when it came out and for a few decades after, but I don't think it still warrents that praise anymore, yet almost every gun Television show, magazine, website, etc. seems to constantly proclaim its supremacy.

To answer your first point. The single stack, thin handgrip is easily usable by people of differing handtypes. You say its subjective but isn't how something feels in someones hand subjective? For example, the M9/Beretta 92FS has a thick grip. Bigger hands have no problem with the grip but smaller hands do. The slim 1911 grip can be used by big hands or little hands. The grip angle is something else that many people find comfortable. You second point that you made was the single stack "death trap". You say that the single stack is a liability. But capacity isn't everything. 7+ rounds of .45 ACP is good. The .45ACP has a well known reputation for one shot stops. The 9mm of the Beretta 92 or Glock 17 does not have that reputation. As for the .45ACP, it is not meant to penetrate body armor, neither is the standard 9mm, but it is accurate over long distances. There are very few pistol rounds that are meant to penetrate body armor of vehicle armor, which is what I think that you are getting at. If you draw a pistol in a combat zone, you are already in deep trouble or in a position where a high capacity is not needed, i.e. MP's. Anyway, a pistol is not meant to be accurate at long distances so the point is moot. As for the "Soldier Proof" weapons, that is just a cheap way out of training soldiers correctly, as they did with the A2 model of the M16. A milspec 1911 is just as reliable as newer designs. One such argument is that the 1911 was only tested for 6000 rounds with no failure before cleaning while Glock for example is tested at 30,000 rounds. What soldier won't clean his sidearm after 6000 rounds? What battle involves firing 6000 rounds out of a pistol? If you can't see why the 1911 design is praised and still being used then I can't help any further. The 1911 design has many good points that apparently many people still find better than other designs, and many still find the 1911 a proven and effective design.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 22:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently I wasn't clear when I rebutted you last time. The single stack is confortable for people with small hands yes. However, people with larger hands, and even some small handed people, have no problem with thicker grips and so the capacity limiting single stack serves no purpose. The grip angle is a completely subjective feature and so it is imposible to argue that one style is better than another. What matters more is simply what one is used to. You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications, however my point wasn't that the 1911 is bad (it is a good weapon) but simply that there are better guns out their. 7 or 8 rounds may be enough for most encounters, but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often. Also, when I referenced penetration I had things like doors, walls, and car bodies in mind, not armor. The .38 Super cartridge was specifically developed because the .45 could not penetrate car bodies effectively. Your previous post all focuses on arguing that the 1911 is an ''adequate'' combat pistol which I completely agree with. My whole point is that the features you mentioned ''do not make it the best pistol around.'' When I first began this conversation I stated that the 1911 is not a bad gun, simply that with all the pistol designs that have emerged in the past century it is no longer the greatest pistol in the world, yet nearly everyone in the gun community (yourself clearly included) still claim it is for no other reason than people like its grip (which is subjective), its caliber (which is used in many much modern modern firearms), and its history (which can easily make it a favorite gun but can not be used as justification for it being the best).

You were arguing the design flaws but it is the design that is one of the big reasons it has such a following. Since you are arguing one view against the other. Why a lot of people think that it is the best. The design is one reason, history is another, the round it fires is yet another reason. I actually don't think it is the best I was merely stating the reasons that it is popular and why people say it is the best. I like the Beretta 92fs for its grip and certain design attributes and the Glock 21sf for different reasons. Would I object to using the 1911 in combat. No. Would I use the Beretta 92fs in combat with FMJ ammo? Not if I didn't have to. With HP ammo, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Beretta. But even your view of other designs being better is subjective. If a pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc...is reliable and fires a moderately effective round then it is a good design. What makes it the best is subjective as far as it goes. What one pistol may be best at is what makes it worst at something else. There is no way to objectively define the "best" just what is better than something else.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. I don't have any gun in mind that I think is indisputably better than all others. The features I pointed out I did so to demonstrate that in certain aspects the 1911 is inferior to other disigns, not that said other designs are the perfect weapon. Every design is a give and take of different features. Because of this, my main complaint was a pervaisive belief that the 1911 is unquestioningly the greatest gun ever (I have heard that phrase Verbatim in many issues of Guns & Ammo). Is it better in some aspects than double-collumn, double-action 9mm pistols? Yes. Is it better across the board? Absolutly not. I apologize if at any point I have come across as confrontational, it is just that I have heard so many people assert the 1911's complete supremacy so many times that it has really gotten on my nerves and I wanted to know what others thought.

Google "1911"...then google any other gun...now tell me which one has the most varieties...which one has the most after market parts and pieces for the specialist. Which one has the most surplus parts. Its so popular and so famous because if you wanted to you could make one look like no other one or you could make it look like that one in your favorite movie. Not only that but all the diffrent calibers from 45cal to the awesome and unbeatable 10mm. Plus they are sexy as hell. To sum up you can basically have a beautiful, functional, all steel combat pistol in your choice of caliber and its going to feel like a dream in your hands.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:The madness of crowds surely knows few bounds--just look at how the various bottled water companies manage to make a killing selling what is essentially tap water, because people will do often do things just because enough other people tell them it's a good idea. Then again, I suppose the "cult following" that some pistol-types have over others is due in part to the following facts:

:*Pistols are rarely if ever primary combat weapons anymore, with the exception of law enforcement.
:*Few people who routinely carry pistols have to regularly use them in gun battles against opponents who are earnestly trying to kill them.

:Therefore there aren't many occasions for most pistol-carriers to test their assumptions in the most revealing field of all--life-or-death situations. So depending on your circumstances you can go a lifetime without ever putting the hype in the harsh light of real return-fire. I'd bet on the M1911-type (the "pure" single-stack .45 ACP M1911s) pistols selling so much mostly because of its hype and history, and that it is, at its heart, a serviceable (though hardly optimal) weapon. Given how many clones there are, however, I really must wonder what would have happened had Colt become the sole copyright holder for this pistol type--would we see more innovation that way, or just countless clones of some other pistol type? Perhaps a more revealing, specific question would be "How does the M1911 platform compare to the Glock platform or CZ-75 platform?" That could work because all three are successful pistol types offered in multiple calibers, including 9x19mm, .45 ACP, and 10mm Auto.

:Bottom line? The "pure" M1911 works, but we can certainly do better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 04:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly

Ok, well answer me this then. Why if the 1911 is all hype and legend does MEUSOC still issue 1911s? Why does Delta give out a stipend to have an operator buy his own custom 1911? Why does the FBI HRT use 1911s? and LAPD SWAT? and so many other groups that use pistols? The reasons the wonder 9s came into popularity are lower recoil (marginal), size (marginal) higher capacity (less training in marksmanship), weight (long since gone by the wayside), to match ammo with other NATO countries (Military), and hype/ cool factor (civilian). The 1911 has served admirably (in one capacity or another) with few major changes to the platform for almost 100 years. The Beretta, Glock, CZ-75, etc. have been redesigned and "improved" since they came out just to try and match the 1911s in popularity, reliability, etc.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 17:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:Sure thing. How many of these operators you mentioned fulfill the conditions I mentioned above, namely that they regularly use pistols as their primary combat weapons instead of SMGs/PDWs/Rifles and often engage in gunfights with earnest, aware opponents? And other combat platforms for the .45 ACP won out, such as the Mk. 23 SOCOM pistol which won out over Colt's version. The "improved" Beretta, Glock, CZ-75 you mentioned have done so to fit consumer demand and market competition, but national armed forces aren't that commercial and competitive most of the time because of how many contracts and vested interests are running the show. I simply said that the "Pure" M1911 platform works when used, but it can be improved, otherwise the Mk.23 SOCOM wouldn't have won the OHWS program. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 02:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::A lot of Special Forces don't even use the Mk. 23 due to its bulky and awkward size. Many Navy SEALs opt to use 9mm SIG-Sauer Pistols

H&K won the competition because they strictly adhered to all of the requirements (some of which were asinine), and they put in the best bid. When USSOCOM received the Mk. 23 they got exactly what they asked for but not what they had actually wanted. The SEALS who used it complained about how it was too big, heavy, and its cons outweighed its pros. They tried to pawn them off on the ARMY but no one there would touch them, so most of them went back to H&K. As with all things military, big brass does not listen to the guys who actually have to use the equipment until its too late.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I would like to toss my thoughts into the mix. Being a Brit getting a hold of a real firearm is harder than getting away with stealing the Popes hat, but I am an avid airsofter and I have held and fired many different types of airsoft pistols ranging from HK USPs, to Glocks, to Berettas, to SIGs. But I still go back to my 1911s to which I have 2 (I'm awaiting delivery of a third). I don't have tiny hands but I don't have big bear hands and the 1911 design feels right in my hands. I use a weaver stance and the 1911 is the best pistol for hand placement in that stance, I had an issue with the Beretta that sometimes my thumb could slip onto the slide locking mechinism and prevent slide lock. With Glocks they felt too top heavy for me, maybe it's how the airsoft Glocks are designed and it's not like that on the Real steel. I used a SIG for quite a while as that felt pretty good, but as soon as I picked up a 1911 I needed one. After a little practice I can draw, remove the safety and bring the pistol up to the target in a little under 2 seconds. Why do I like the 1911 so much? It's all about the placement, the safety is right by your thumb so when you draw it you can use one motion to bring the pistol up and deactivate the safety. I found the Beretta to be a bit of a fumbling job deactivating the safety mid draw. Why the 1911 design is still praised isn't down to some cult following, it's down to simple ergonomics, it looks great, the functionality is great, the placement of everything on the pistol is perfect. I saw someone post that they would rather be able to fire 30,000 shots and not have to clean their pistol rather than 6000. I don't know about you but if I only fired off one shot from my pistol in a battle I would still clean it to make sure nothing is going to cause a problem next time. Better to be safe than sorry. --[[User:Cool-breeze|Cool-breeze]] 17:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ballester-Molina ==

The Ballester-Molina should not be included in the 1911 page. It's not a 1911, only the mags and barrel interchange. Internally it's based on the Star Model A, which has significant differences from the 1911 in terms of lockwork. Unless anyone objects I'm going to create a separate page for it. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Link share ==

Hello there,

This is a question for the webmaster/admin here at www.imfdb.org.

Can I use part of the information from this blog post right above if I give a link back to your site?

Thanks,
Daniel

== Dreamworks Animation ==

When are you guys going to add animated films from Dreamworks like Monsters vs. Aliens and Megamind, because they have guns used by police and the military.

Just because there are guns in it doesn't mean it gets a page here. Are they recognisable as real guns, or are they stylised ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

They are real guns in the animated films, like in Monsters vs Aliens, the soldiers used some M16 rifles to shoot at the alien, and in Megamind, the police uses rifles and pistols on aiming the villain, who is walking.

OK, I'm going to assume that you haven't read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page, most notably [[Rules, Standards and Principles#Anime: Rules & Restrictions|this section]]. Read that, then check back. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

But wait, why do we have video game pages then? Firearms in them barely resemble real ones --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok sorry, no big deal, lets not add cartoons yet, because they have to wait.

:@Jackbel. Because in video games you can clearly identify the guns, and no the good ones do not just 'barely resemble real ones.' As a video game person you should know this, unless Australia has weird rules about depicting guns in video games. The reason cartoons are generally not allowed is because unlike anime, most cartoons have a generic silouette of a 'gun' while most animes have enough detail to be able to determine what guns was used. Think [[Ghost in the Shell]] or [[Cowboy Bebop]].--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==.45 Blanks==

I've read a lot here that .45 blanks used to be unreliable. I was wondering when they started to become a bit more reliable and why they were unreliable? I can't find that anywhere.

I thought it wasn't really the blanks being unreliable so much as it just being easier to blank-convert a 9mm than a .45. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

.45 pistols require more recoil force to cycle their actions than 9mms. Since blank rounds have virtually no recoil, .45s are much harder to convert to use blanks.

Ah right. Is there some new way of converting them now because I've started to notice that in recent years there have been a lot of films using .45 ACP versions of pistols that are also chambered in 9mm. Die Hard 4.0 for example, McClane as a P220 in .45 ACP. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
::''"Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45"'' We have a pic of the actual screen used gun and is listed as .45 ACP. I think all newer P220s are chambered in .45, only some of the older ones were chambered in 9mm and .38 Super. Also the .45 being unreliable with blanks. I don't think it encompassed all .45 chambered pistols. I think it was only in the 1911 platform. With the 9mm being a much smaller blank and having the large ejection port made for the .45 it was easier to eject them.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun in the film and was carried and fired by ''[[Bruce Willis]]''.]]
::: Just checking. Especially after the whole issue with the Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Long (and detailed!)story short. For a 1911 to fire blanks reliably you must first drill and tap the barrel for a blank adapter, then taper the barrel hood, then grind off the locking lugs, and remove the barrel linkage. Once that is done, the testing for a reliable adapter and blank combo ensues (you may or may not need to enlarge the ejection port too). I figure its pretty much the same with other pistols...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a very complex process. I'm assuming if you do that well though the 1911 will cycle blanks as well as 9mm blanks. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I read an article in a gun magazine a few years back about blanks and it said that it comes down to the casings used. According to the article, blanks are made from rifle brass because it has to be long enough to be crimped and still be long enough to be the length of a real cartridge. The problem with .45 acp ammo is that until recently there was no rifle brass in .45 diameter that could be used for blanks. I remember reading back when "Miami Vice" was on that Timothy La France had brass custom manufactured in .45 for blanks. -- David, 3 December 2010 (well, its the 3rd where I live)

==Laseraim Series III?==

So what is this thing?
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
It looks more like a CZ derivative than a 1911 derivative to me... Alot like a mashup of CZ, S&W, Sig, STI, etc..-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:It draws a little from the S&W series (namely the safety) and CZ-75 (in terms of grip shape), but technically it is a M1911 derivative, they just didn't make many of them.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Used to see these in tv shows during the late 80s. the later model was the first pistol I ever saw with an integral accessory rail on the dust cover, although that was in a catalog. David. 11 December 2010
:::Dust cover? What are you talking about? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
I don't know what else to call it, it is the part of the frame extending in front of the trigger guard. I have seen it, in print referred to as a dust cover. David.

::THIS Laseraim was photographed for the [[Haunted (2002)]] page since it was used in an episode. If you guys read the Haunted (2002) page, for which this IMAGE was originally shot for, the description says: '''Laser Aim was yet another manufacturer who built ported .45 ACP pistol based on the original M1911 design, but incorporating elements of the BHP and the CZ-75 into a new design. The unique feature of the Laser Aim was a hole cut out of the trigger guard ahead of the trigger to mount a laser. Since the production ended for this pistol, smaller lasers with better battery life have been invented. By the late 1990s LaserAim had gone out of business and had sold their patents to AMT. ''' Hope this sheds some light on the piece. It is a new weapon influenced purportedly by M1911, BHP and CZ designs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Ah, that explains it. Could have saved myself about 2 hrs of google searching if I'd looked up the image uses hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== MEU(SOC) Pistol... ==
...has been given a new designation, ''M45''. [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/m45-close-quarters-combat-pistol/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

We also need a better image for it, but I can't find one I can't be sure isn't an Airsoft gun. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The big problem is there is no single model that is the M45/ MEUSOC Pistol. The "M-45s" in service are a mix and match of Kimbers, Springfields, Colts, etc. The "M-45" is a set of specs that any pistols built for MEUSOC have to comply with. There are SOME retrofitted M1911A1 pistols that were done by USMC Armorers at Quantico, but they are going to be near impossible to differentiate from the M1911A1 they were built from.
Here's a good thread from AR15.com (dear lord its hard to say that haha) about the M-45 MEUSOC pistol variants.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=86667
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

== More proof of the M1911's greatness ==

According to the news, the M1911 is now the official state gun of Utah! This is kind of cool, since John Browning lived in Utah, and it's just in time for the great .45's centennial anniversary. [[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 21:16, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

== Happy 100th Anniversary to the Colt M1911! ==

Happy 100 years of service M1911! Thank you for providing some of the most nastiest knockdown power available to the armed forces and for providing an eternal name of badassery in motion pictures!

Here's looking forward to 100 years more! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 15:40, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

My favorite semi-auto is the 1911. I've had affairs with others but I always come back to a good ole Colt .45. I didn't understand why until I did some research and figured out we shared a birthday. Still saving for an anniversary model... [[User:USGIMar29|USGIMar29]] 19:40, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

==9mm 1911s==
I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question to ask but could anyone recommend some good 9mm 1911s? I live in Australia and the maximum calibre you can get without doing competition shooting is .38 or 9mm rounds. --[[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 07:07, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Naming the MEU(SOC) pistol ==

On M1911's page (and correspondingly on pages that list the weapon) it is named "M-45 MEUSOC":

1) While calling it "M-45" wouldn't be incorrect, it should be changed to "M45" in line with other officially adopted names on IMFDB;

2) Using "MEUSOC" in conjunction with "M45" is incorrect. It is either "MEU(SOC) Pistol" or "M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol"/"M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol".

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:46, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

:Well, then go change it. ^3^ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:59, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

::Will be done right now. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:17, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::I think they are the same pistol. I remember seeing a story about how the MEU(SOC) was reclassified as the M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol at some point, and have also seen documents that use the term M45 MEUSOC (no brackets). What do you think the differences are between the two? I think there is some confusing as there have been various different versions of the MEU(SOC) pistol built from various off the shelf parts. There are at least 5 versions that I know of, and main fetures are as follows. 1: original version with unflared ejection port and Springfield Armoury logo behind the ejection port. 2: newer slide with flared ejection port and logo in front of the ejection port. 3: front slide serrations. 4: wide slide serrations and Novak sights, with grip safety with "bumb" at the bottom. 5: 4th version with skeleton hammer rather than Commander type hammer. You also have the ICQB which is a Kimber made pistol with a railed frame. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:26, 3 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Sorry, just realised I totally misread your original post. Though you were saying that the MEU(SOC) and M45 were different pistols. However, the term M45 MEUSOC (without brackets) is also correct. [https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=df43476377acd40c0f409faa2ceffc9d&_cview=1] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::Notice the presence of comma between M-45 and MEUSOC. That would indicate the listing of different designations for the weapon. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:27, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

::::::I really don't think the comma means that, but to satisfy you, here [http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2010/03-March/19-Mar-2010/FBO-02095403.htm]. To be fair though, I have seen official documents that refer to the M45 being the MEUSOC, Close Quarters Battle or Close Quarters Combat pistol. I think this whole conversation is irrelevant however, as on looking into it, I think the M45 pistol and the MEU(SOC) pistol listed on this page are different weapons, with the M45 being a commercial of the shelf pistol made by either Colt, Sprinfield Armoury or Karl Lippard Designs. This article from the [http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/ Marine Corps Times] seems to back this up (this time referring to it as the Close Quarter Battle Pistol) stating that the M45 is modelled on the MEU(SOC) but will be a COTS pistol, which is currently being evaluated. For the sake of simplicity, I think the pistol on this page should just be called the MEU(SOC). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::::MEUSCOC. Wonder what the first "C" stands for?
:::::::It would have been so much simpler if there was website that chronicles the history of MEU(SOC) pistol. Every variant along with pictures and how they were designated (to distinguish them)... Because currently sources are conflicting. In USMC's [http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/ MCB Quantico] section there is an article "[http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/Sentry/storyview.aspx?SID=4913 The Devil Dogs’ workshop]". There it says M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol is being built by local armorers. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:50, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

One more issue: sources vary on the year of adoption. Some say 1985[http://www.americanspecialops.com/special-ops-weapons/meusoc-pistol.php][http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm], other say 1986[http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marinefacts/blsoc.htm][http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=16][http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/meusoc.htm]. Maybe change the part to "since the mid-1980s"? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:53, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

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==Additional Variants==
===Screen Used===
[[Image:EnemyofState1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Screen-used original Colt M1911 pistol wielded by [[Gene Hackman]]'s character Brill in ''[[Enemy of the State]]'', serial #357414 (photo from Long Mountain Outfitters).]]
[[Image:M1911WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen used M1911 pistol (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Sam Elliott]] as Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen Used Hero Gun M1911A1, carried by [[Mel Gibson]] as Lt. Col. Hal Moore in the film ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP. Provided by Cinema Weaponry.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Saradet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detonics 1911 used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''. Image courtesy of ScreeUsed.com]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated ''[[Titanic]]'' M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual D&L Sports Professional Model Longslides - .45 ACP movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, golden suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:ShootEmUp-HammersonNiteTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac (.45 ACP) used in ''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the engraved Hammerson logo. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:1911-The Getaway.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Government Commercial M1911 - .45 ACP used by [[Steve McQueen]] in the film ''[[Getaway, The (1972)]]''.]]
[[Image:M&MSColtXSEusedinfilm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt M1911A1 XSE - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]''.]]
[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The two blank firing prop custom Colt M1911A1s used in the film ''[[Punisher, The (2004)]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:NashBridges1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nash Bridges' Custom 1911 - .38 Super. This is the actual pistol that was used by [[Don Johnson]] in the show ''[[Nash Bridges]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt-M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The actual M1911A1 [[Pierce Brosnan]] used in ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SerenityM191A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Jayne Cobb's Mocked-Up Custom M1911A1 - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Serenity]]''.]]
[[Image:P00654 1911 Full Left.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Colt M1911 with Nickel-plated and pearl grips - .45 ACP pistol. This non-firing prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film '''[[The Other Guys]]'''. The gun is accompanied by the Galco shoulder holster and clip pouch also used in numerous scenes from the film. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TGC&Product_Code=P00654&Category_Code=OtherGuys here].]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by [[Sylvester Stallone‎]] in ''[[Expendables, The|The Expendables]]'' - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:IMG 0444.JPG|thumb|none|450px|[[M1911|Colt MK IV Series 80]] - .45 ACP This was used in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' and the series ''[[Chase]]'' and ''[[Dark Blue]]''.]]

===Airsoft Variants===
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film ''[[Se7en]]''.]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of [[Cobra]]'s Colt GC National Match - 9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:Htk1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft replica of Storm's M1911A1 from ''[[Hard to Kill]]'' - made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Replica of Castor Troy's custom Springfield Armory M1911-A1 - .45 ACP from the film ''[[Face/Off]]''.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica - .45 ACP, very similar to what Frank ([[James Caan]]) used in the film ''[[Thief]]''.]]
[[Image:Snake_.45-2.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Sheriff Co. "Custom M1911" Airsoft Gun - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft replica of a Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Baby1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft WE HiCapa 5.1 Full Metal Dragon Custom M1911 (Type B) Black Model with blue LED lights in the grip - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Detonics CombatMaster M1911 airsoft.jpg|450px|thumb|none|WE "Caspian Arms" M1911 replica of a Detonics CombatMaster M1911 or a Colt Officer's ACP - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Colt M1911.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Yu Teng 'YT385' replica of the original Colt M1911A1 model - .45ACP]]

===Other Replicas===
[[Image:Snake_.45.JPG|thumb|none|450px|CGI rendering of the Springfield Operator from the game [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]] - .45 ACP]]

===Other Variants===
[[File:M1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detailed screenshot of prewar M1911A1]]
[[Image:Kimber_Ultra_Crimson_Carry_II.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:AMT_Hardballer_Hitman_Replica.jpg|390px|thumb|none|A near-perfect, firing, replica of the "Silverballers" from the Hitman series.]]

[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 .45 ACP with Pachymar grips]]
[[Image:Taurus PT1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Taurus PT1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Bruni8mm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni M1911A1-style blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank.]]
[[Image:Para1911G.I..jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para 1911 G.I. Expert - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SA_loaded_m1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded M1911A1 - .45 ACP similar to the one used by Sydney Bristow from ''[[Alias]]''.]]
[[Image:Peter-1-5006-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Federal Ordnance PSP-07 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TIKI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Strayer Voight Infinity TIKI - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt Series 80 M1911A1 pistol similair to one in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberUltraRaptor.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Kimber Stainless Ultra Raptor - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Para645LDA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance 6.45 LDA with spare magazines - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtDefenderRIGHT83.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Defender - .45 ACP was similar to the one used in the game ''[[Uncharted 2: Among Thieves]]''.]]
[[Image:GM45M1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Hybrid 1911 "Gladys" fitted with a nickel plated three cut compensator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Delta 001.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Delta Elite - 10mm Auto]]
[[Image:SM178017.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 Pro Series - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SW108282.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberWarrior.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP like the one in the show ''[[24 - Season 8|24]]''.]]
[[Image:FLX 2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nighthawk FLX - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Triple_Tap_IMM_Open_pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|This SVI 1911 - .45 ACP is almost exactly like the one used in the film ''[[Triple Tap]]''. The description on the website reads, "IMM Open pistol made of carbon steel with Titanium compensator." (Picture supplied by sviguns.com)]]
[[Image:CaptainPriceSALoaded.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Captain Price SA Loaded - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911WideSpur.png|thumb|none|450px|Springfield GI 1911 A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:The Veteran Colt 1991A1 Series 80.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 Series 80 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1USAF.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Black Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_ultra_compact.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Springfield Armory Ultra Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PX9105MLP.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded MC Operator - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_Armory_Omega.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Omega - .45 ACP]]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

Agreed --[[PunisherDave]]

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Correction, Glocks are not DAO. They fire from a half-cocked position. When you dry fire the gun, the hammer falls and must be recocked by racking the slide, it does not cock by double action springs. That's why the have a slightly heavy trigger pull, they are half cocked, and are brought to full cock and dropped by pulling the trigger. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::: Bah, how did I miss that.. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

i thought glocks were striker-fired?

I think I read that Tacoma, WA police carry 1911s as standard issue service weapons.

I read on another forum that the LAPD authorises 1911 varients to officers, however they have to go through an intense training program to be authorised for it and they have to re-qualify ever few months too. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:30, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

Yes. A Glock is a "striker-fired" weapon so technically it is not either double action or single action because a glock doesnt have a hammer but instead releases the firing pin inside the slide. However if you were going to have to compare it, Single Action would be the closest term. Because the firing pin is "cocked" when the slide is racked and then the trigger only releases it and firing the round. Additionally a Glock does not qualify as a double action because it in no way cocks anything with the trigger. The trigger on a Glock can not be pulled again without cycling the weapon, whereas on a gun that is a double action the trigger can be pulled and the hammer actuated multiple times without cycling the weapon. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of at least 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:With regard to caliber, police need rounds that can penetrate car bodies, doors, walls, etc. .45 rounds are not known for penetration. Also, while the .45 round is more effective against soft tissue than 9mm and .40 S&W rounds, anyone who tries to claim that 7 .45 rounds can do the work of 20 9mm or .40 rounds is completely dillusional. Watch ballistic test videos. A .45 slug entering the body does more damage than a 9mm round entering the body. If you try to claim that one .45 wound is more damaging than 2 9mm wounds with any decent grouping than you clearly have no understanding of physics or human anatomy.

But the fact remains with a 9mm you dont want him dead in the half hour it will take for him to bleed out. you want him dead NOW. with the .45 hes going to feel it. he aint gunna get back up. with the 9mm he might just keep firing.
:Depending on shot placement. A 9mm slug to the heart or any of the major arteries surrounding it will cause death within several seconds. The same is true of a shot to most areas of the skull. .45 does have increased lethality over 9mm, but that degree of superiority has been greatly exaggerated.

Yeah but a 9mm can pass through a person and keep going, a .45 doesn't. I would imagine you wouldn't want those two 9mm rounds going through a person and hitting an innocent bystander. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:28, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

It all really comes down to preference. Honestly a body shot with any round is not guaranteed to kill or stop anyone. The only thing guaranteed to immediately incapacitate someone is to severing the brain from the rest of the body. Recoil is also a big factor. If you cant shoot it it doesnt matter what you carry. People and police departments have to find the weapon that will work best for them. Personally I like the .45 and I own a 1911. Honestly I think my Sig 229 .40 kicks more violently and is harder to shoot than my .45. I know a lot of people who do not like the .45 and much prefer their 9mm because they are better with it.

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. I am of course referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Everything you have described establishes that the gun is a good design, perhaps the best gun around when it first came out, but does not explain it's enduring following. The grip may be confortable for many people, but that is far too subjective to explain why so many people (with so many different hand sizes) still favor this gun. It's single stack magazine make it a confortable target and practical concealed carry weapon, but the limited capacity it offers can be a death trap in a combat weapon (which many still claim the 1911 is the quintessential example of). The .45 ACP is a great round against soft targets, but does not offer very good penetration or long distance acuracy. And with the isistance on reliable "Soldier Proof" weapons in most of today's militaries, many modern pistols are more reliable and easier to strip than the original 1911s. I don't deny that the 1911 was most likely the best pistol in the world when it came out and for a few decades after, but I don't think it still warrents that praise anymore, yet almost every gun Television show, magazine, website, etc. seems to constantly proclaim its supremacy.

To answer your first point. The single stack, thin handgrip is easily usable by people of differing handtypes. You say its subjective but isn't how something feels in someones hand subjective? For example, the M9/Beretta 92FS has a thick grip. Bigger hands have no problem with the grip but smaller hands do. The slim 1911 grip can be used by big hands or little hands. The grip angle is something else that many people find comfortable. You second point that you made was the single stack "death trap". You say that the single stack is a liability. But capacity isn't everything. 7+ rounds of .45 ACP is good. The .45ACP has a well known reputation for one shot stops. The 9mm of the Beretta 92 or Glock 17 does not have that reputation. As for the .45ACP, it is not meant to penetrate body armor, neither is the standard 9mm, but it is accurate over long distances. There are very few pistol rounds that are meant to penetrate body armor of vehicle armor, which is what I think that you are getting at. If you draw a pistol in a combat zone, you are already in deep trouble or in a position where a high capacity is not needed, i.e. MP's. Anyway, a pistol is not meant to be accurate at long distances so the point is moot. As for the "Soldier Proof" weapons, that is just a cheap way out of training soldiers correctly, as they did with the A2 model of the M16. A milspec 1911 is just as reliable as newer designs. One such argument is that the 1911 was only tested for 6000 rounds with no failure before cleaning while Glock for example is tested at 30,000 rounds. What soldier won't clean his sidearm after 6000 rounds? What battle involves firing 6000 rounds out of a pistol? If you can't see why the 1911 design is praised and still being used then I can't help any further. The 1911 design has many good points that apparently many people still find better than other designs, and many still find the 1911 a proven and effective design.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 22:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently I wasn't clear when I rebutted you last time. The single stack is confortable for people with small hands yes. However, people with larger hands, and even some small handed people, have no problem with thicker grips and so the capacity limiting single stack serves no purpose. The grip angle is a completely subjective feature and so it is imposible to argue that one style is better than another. What matters more is simply what one is used to. You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications, however my point wasn't that the 1911 is bad (it is a good weapon) but simply that there are better guns out their. 7 or 8 rounds may be enough for most encounters, but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often. Also, when I referenced penetration I had things like doors, walls, and car bodies in mind, not armor. The .38 Super cartridge was specifically developed because the .45 could not penetrate car bodies effectively. Your previous post all focuses on arguing that the 1911 is an ''adequate'' combat pistol which I completely agree with. My whole point is that the features you mentioned ''do not make it the best pistol around.'' When I first began this conversation I stated that the 1911 is not a bad gun, simply that with all the pistol designs that have emerged in the past century it is no longer the greatest pistol in the world, yet nearly everyone in the gun community (yourself clearly included) still claim it is for no other reason than people like its grip (which is subjective), its caliber (which is used in many much modern modern firearms), and its history (which can easily make it a favorite gun but can not be used as justification for it being the best).

You were arguing the design flaws but it is the design that is one of the big reasons it has such a following. Since you are arguing one view against the other. Why a lot of people think that it is the best. The design is one reason, history is another, the round it fires is yet another reason. I actually don't think it is the best I was merely stating the reasons that it is popular and why people say it is the best. I like the Beretta 92fs for its grip and certain design attributes and the Glock 21sf for different reasons. Would I object to using the 1911 in combat. No. Would I use the Beretta 92fs in combat with FMJ ammo? Not if I didn't have to. With HP ammo, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Beretta. But even your view of other designs being better is subjective. If a pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc...is reliable and fires a moderately effective round then it is a good design. What makes it the best is subjective as far as it goes. What one pistol may be best at is what makes it worst at something else. There is no way to objectively define the "best" just what is better than something else.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. I don't have any gun in mind that I think is indisputably better than all others. The features I pointed out I did so to demonstrate that in certain aspects the 1911 is inferior to other disigns, not that said other designs are the perfect weapon. Every design is a give and take of different features. Because of this, my main complaint was a pervaisive belief that the 1911 is unquestioningly the greatest gun ever (I have heard that phrase Verbatim in many issues of Guns & Ammo). Is it better in some aspects than double-collumn, double-action 9mm pistols? Yes. Is it better across the board? Absolutly not. I apologize if at any point I have come across as confrontational, it is just that I have heard so many people assert the 1911's complete supremacy so many times that it has really gotten on my nerves and I wanted to know what others thought.

Google "1911"...then google any other gun...now tell me which one has the most varieties...which one has the most after market parts and pieces for the specialist. Which one has the most surplus parts. Its so popular and so famous because if you wanted to you could make one look like no other one or you could make it look like that one in your favorite movie. Not only that but all the diffrent calibers from 45cal to the awesome and unbeatable 10mm. Plus they are sexy as hell. To sum up you can basically have a beautiful, functional, all steel combat pistol in your choice of caliber and its going to feel like a dream in your hands.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:The madness of crowds surely knows few bounds--just look at how the various bottled water companies manage to make a killing selling what is essentially tap water, because people will do often do things just because enough other people tell them it's a good idea. Then again, I suppose the "cult following" that some pistol-types have over others is due in part to the following facts:

:*Pistols are rarely if ever primary combat weapons anymore, with the exception of law enforcement.
:*Few people who routinely carry pistols have to regularly use them in gun battles against opponents who are earnestly trying to kill them.

:Therefore there aren't many occasions for most pistol-carriers to test their assumptions in the most revealing field of all--life-or-death situations. So depending on your circumstances you can go a lifetime without ever putting the hype in the harsh light of real return-fire. I'd bet on the M1911-type (the "pure" single-stack .45 ACP M1911s) pistols selling so much mostly because of its hype and history, and that it is, at its heart, a serviceable (though hardly optimal) weapon. Given how many clones there are, however, I really must wonder what would have happened had Colt become the sole copyright holder for this pistol type--would we see more innovation that way, or just countless clones of some other pistol type? Perhaps a more revealing, specific question would be "How does the M1911 platform compare to the Glock platform or CZ-75 platform?" That could work because all three are successful pistol types offered in multiple calibers, including 9x19mm, .45 ACP, and 10mm Auto.

:Bottom line? The "pure" M1911 works, but we can certainly do better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 04:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly

Ok, well answer me this then. Why if the 1911 is all hype and legend does MEUSOC still issue 1911s? Why does Delta give out a stipend to have an operator buy his own custom 1911? Why does the FBI HRT use 1911s? and LAPD SWAT? and so many other groups that use pistols? The reasons the wonder 9s came into popularity are lower recoil (marginal), size (marginal) higher capacity (less training in marksmanship), weight (long since gone by the wayside), to match ammo with other NATO countries (Military), and hype/ cool factor (civilian). The 1911 has served admirably (in one capacity or another) with few major changes to the platform for almost 100 years. The Beretta, Glock, CZ-75, etc. have been redesigned and "improved" since they came out just to try and match the 1911s in popularity, reliability, etc.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 17:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:Sure thing. How many of these operators you mentioned fulfill the conditions I mentioned above, namely that they regularly use pistols as their primary combat weapons instead of SMGs/PDWs/Rifles and often engage in gunfights with earnest, aware opponents? And other combat platforms for the .45 ACP won out, such as the Mk. 23 SOCOM pistol which won out over Colt's version. The "improved" Beretta, Glock, CZ-75 you mentioned have done so to fit consumer demand and market competition, but national armed forces aren't that commercial and competitive most of the time because of how many contracts and vested interests are running the show. I simply said that the "Pure" M1911 platform works when used, but it can be improved, otherwise the Mk.23 SOCOM wouldn't have won the OHWS program. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 02:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::A lot of Special Forces don't even use the Mk. 23 due to its bulky and awkward size. Many Navy SEALs opt to use 9mm SIG-Sauer Pistols

H&K won the competition because they strictly adhered to all of the requirements (some of which were asinine), and they put in the best bid. When USSOCOM received the Mk. 23 they got exactly what they asked for but not what they had actually wanted. The SEALS who used it complained about how it was too big, heavy, and its cons outweighed its pros. They tried to pawn them off on the ARMY but no one there would touch them, so most of them went back to H&K. As with all things military, big brass does not listen to the guys who actually have to use the equipment until its too late.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I would like to toss my thoughts into the mix. Being a Brit getting a hold of a real firearm is harder than getting away with stealing the Popes hat, but I am an avid airsofter and I have held and fired many different types of airsoft pistols ranging from HK USPs, to Glocks, to Berettas, to SIGs. But I still go back to my 1911s to which I have 2 (I'm awaiting delivery of a third). I don't have tiny hands but I don't have big bear hands and the 1911 design feels right in my hands. I use a weaver stance and the 1911 is the best pistol for hand placement in that stance, I had an issue with the Beretta that sometimes my thumb could slip onto the slide locking mechinism and prevent slide lock. With Glocks they felt too top heavy for me, maybe it's how the airsoft Glocks are designed and it's not like that on the Real steel. I used a SIG for quite a while as that felt pretty good, but as soon as I picked up a 1911 I needed one. After a little practice I can draw, remove the safety and bring the pistol up to the target in a little under 2 seconds. Why do I like the 1911 so much? It's all about the placement, the safety is right by your thumb so when you draw it you can use one motion to bring the pistol up and deactivate the safety. I found the Beretta to be a bit of a fumbling job deactivating the safety mid draw. Why the 1911 design is still praised isn't down to some cult following, it's down to simple ergonomics, it looks great, the functionality is great, the placement of everything on the pistol is perfect. I saw someone post that they would rather be able to fire 30,000 shots and not have to clean their pistol rather than 6000. I don't know about you but if I only fired off one shot from my pistol in a battle I would still clean it to make sure nothing is going to cause a problem next time. Better to be safe than sorry. --[[User:Cool-breeze|Cool-breeze]] 17:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ballester-Molina ==

The Ballester-Molina should not be included in the 1911 page. It's not a 1911, only the mags and barrel interchange. Internally it's based on the Star Model A, which has significant differences from the 1911 in terms of lockwork. Unless anyone objects I'm going to create a separate page for it. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Link share ==

Hello there,

This is a question for the webmaster/admin here at www.imfdb.org.

Can I use part of the information from this blog post right above if I give a link back to your site?

Thanks,
Daniel

== Dreamworks Animation ==

When are you guys going to add animated films from Dreamworks like Monsters vs. Aliens and Megamind, because they have guns used by police and the military.

Just because there are guns in it doesn't mean it gets a page here. Are they recognisable as real guns, or are they stylised ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

They are real guns in the animated films, like in Monsters vs Aliens, the soldiers used some M16 rifles to shoot at the alien, and in Megamind, the police uses rifles and pistols on aiming the villain, who is walking.

OK, I'm going to assume that you haven't read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page, most notably [[Rules, Standards and Principles#Anime: Rules & Restrictions|this section]]. Read that, then check back. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

But wait, why do we have video game pages then? Firearms in them barely resemble real ones --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok sorry, no big deal, lets not add cartoons yet, because they have to wait.

:@Jackbel. Because in video games you can clearly identify the guns, and no the good ones do not just 'barely resemble real ones.' As a video game person you should know this, unless Australia has weird rules about depicting guns in video games. The reason cartoons are generally not allowed is because unlike anime, most cartoons have a generic silouette of a 'gun' while most animes have enough detail to be able to determine what guns was used. Think [[Ghost in the Shell]] or [[Cowboy Bebop]].--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==.45 Blanks==

I've read a lot here that .45 blanks used to be unreliable. I was wondering when they started to become a bit more reliable and why they were unreliable? I can't find that anywhere.

I thought it wasn't really the blanks being unreliable so much as it just being easier to blank-convert a 9mm than a .45. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

.45 pistols require more recoil force to cycle their actions than 9mms. Since blank rounds have virtually no recoil, .45s are much harder to convert to use blanks.

Ah right. Is there some new way of converting them now because I've started to notice that in recent years there have been a lot of films using .45 ACP versions of pistols that are also chambered in 9mm. Die Hard 4.0 for example, McClane as a P220 in .45 ACP. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
::''"Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45"'' We have a pic of the actual screen used gun and is listed as .45 ACP. I think all newer P220s are chambered in .45, only some of the older ones were chambered in 9mm and .38 Super. Also the .45 being unreliable with blanks. I don't think it encompassed all .45 chambered pistols. I think it was only in the 1911 platform. With the 9mm being a much smaller blank and having the large ejection port made for the .45 it was easier to eject them.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun in the film and was carried and fired by ''[[Bruce Willis]]''.]]
::: Just checking. Especially after the whole issue with the Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Long (and detailed!)story short. For a 1911 to fire blanks reliably you must first drill and tap the barrel for a blank adapter, then taper the barrel hood, then grind off the locking lugs, and remove the barrel linkage. Once that is done, the testing for a reliable adapter and blank combo ensues (you may or may not need to enlarge the ejection port too). I figure its pretty much the same with other pistols...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a very complex process. I'm assuming if you do that well though the 1911 will cycle blanks as well as 9mm blanks. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I read an article in a gun magazine a few years back about blanks and it said that it comes down to the casings used. According to the article, blanks are made from rifle brass because it has to be long enough to be crimped and still be long enough to be the length of a real cartridge. The problem with .45 acp ammo is that until recently there was no rifle brass in .45 diameter that could be used for blanks. I remember reading back when "Miami Vice" was on that Timothy La France had brass custom manufactured in .45 for blanks. -- David, 3 December 2010 (well, its the 3rd where I live)

==Laseraim Series III?==

So what is this thing?
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
It looks more like a CZ derivative than a 1911 derivative to me... Alot like a mashup of CZ, S&W, Sig, STI, etc..-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:It draws a little from the S&W series (namely the safety) and CZ-75 (in terms of grip shape), but technically it is a M1911 derivative, they just didn't make many of them.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Used to see these in tv shows during the late 80s. the later model was the first pistol I ever saw with an integral accessory rail on the dust cover, although that was in a catalog. David. 11 December 2010
:::Dust cover? What are you talking about? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
I don't know what else to call it, it is the part of the frame extending in front of the trigger guard. I have seen it, in print referred to as a dust cover. David.

::THIS Laseraim was photographed for the [[Haunted (2002)]] page since it was used in an episode. If you guys read the Haunted (2002) page, for which this IMAGE was originally shot for, the description says: '''Laser Aim was yet another manufacturer who built ported .45 ACP pistol based on the original M1911 design, but incorporating elements of the BHP and the CZ-75 into a new design. The unique feature of the Laser Aim was a hole cut out of the trigger guard ahead of the trigger to mount a laser. Since the production ended for this pistol, smaller lasers with better battery life have been invented. By the late 1990s LaserAim had gone out of business and had sold their patents to AMT. ''' Hope this sheds some light on the piece. It is a new weapon influenced purportedly by M1911, BHP and CZ designs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Ah, that explains it. Could have saved myself about 2 hrs of google searching if I'd looked up the image uses hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== MEU(SOC) Pistol... ==
...has been given a new designation, ''M45''. [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/m45-close-quarters-combat-pistol/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

We also need a better image for it, but I can't find one I can't be sure isn't an Airsoft gun. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The big problem is there is no single model that is the M45/ MEUSOC Pistol. The "M-45s" in service are a mix and match of Kimbers, Springfields, Colts, etc. The "M-45" is a set of specs that any pistols built for MEUSOC have to comply with. There are SOME retrofitted M1911A1 pistols that were done by USMC Armorers at Quantico, but they are going to be near impossible to differentiate from the M1911A1 they were built from.
Here's a good thread from AR15.com (dear lord its hard to say that haha) about the M-45 MEUSOC pistol variants.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=86667
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

== More proof of the M1911's greatness ==

According to the news, the M1911 is now the official state gun of Utah! This is kind of cool, since John Browning lived in Utah, and it's just in time for the great .45's centennial anniversary. [[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 21:16, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

== Happy 100th Anniversary to the Colt M1911! ==

Happy 100 years of service M1911! Thank you for providing some of the most nastiest knockdown power available to the armed forces and for providing an eternal name of badassery in motion pictures!

Here's looking forward to 100 years more! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 15:40, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

My favorite semi-auto is the 1911. I've had affairs with others but I always come back to a good ole Colt .45. I didn't understand why until I did some research and figured out we shared a birthday. Still saving for an anniversary model... [[User:USGIMar29|USGIMar29]] 19:40, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

==9mm 1911s==
I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question to ask but could anyone recommend some good 9mm 1911s? I live in Australia and the maximum calibre you can get without doing competition shooting is .38 or 9mm rounds. --[[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 07:07, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Naming the MEU(SOC) pistol ==

On M1911's page (and correspondingly on pages that list the weapon) it is named "M-45 MEUSOC":

1) While calling it "M-45" wouldn't be incorrect, it should be changed to "M45" in line with other officially adopted names on IMFDB;

2) Using "MEUSOC" in conjunction with "M45" is incorrect. It is either "MEU(SOC) Pistol" or "M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol"/"M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol".

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:46, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

:Well, then go change it. ^3^ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:59, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

::Will be done right now. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:17, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::I think they are the same pistol. I remember seeing a story about how the MEU(SOC) was reclassified as the M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol at some point, and have also seen documents that use the term M45 MEUSOC (no brackets). What do you think the differences are between the two? I think there is some confusing as there have been various different versions of the MEU(SOC) pistol built from various off the shelf parts. There are at least 5 versions that I know of, and main fetures are as follows. 1: original version with unflared ejection port and Springfield Armoury logo behind the ejection port. 2: newer slide with flared ejection port and logo in front of the ejection port. 3: front slide serrations. 4: wide slide serrations and Novak sights, with grip safety with "bumb" at the bottom. 5: 4th version with skeleton hammer rather than Commander type hammer. You also have the ICQB which is a Kimber made pistol with a railed frame. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:26, 3 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Sorry, just realised I totally misread your original post. Though you were saying that the MEU(SOC) and M45 were different pistols. However, the term M45 MEUSOC (without brackets) is also correct. [https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=df43476377acd40c0f409faa2ceffc9d&_cview=1] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::Notice the presence of comma between M-45 and MEUSOC. That would indicate the listing of different designations for the weapon. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:27, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

::::::I really don't think the comma means that, but to satisfy you, here [http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2010/03-March/19-Mar-2010/FBO-02095403.htm]. To be fair though, I have seen official documents that refer to the M45 being the MEUSOC, Close Quarters Battle or Close Quarters Combat pistol. I think this whole conversation is irrelevant however, as on looking into it, I think the M45 pistol and the MEU(SOC) pistol listed on this page are different weapons, with the M45 being a commercial of the shelf pistol made by either Colt, Sprinfield Armoury or Karl Lippard Designs. This article from the [http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/ Marine Corps Times] seems to back this up (this time referring to it as the Close Quarter Battle Pistol) stating that the M45 is modelled on the MEU(SOC) but will be a COTS pistol, which is currently being evaluated. For the sake of simplicity, I think the pistol on this page should just be called the MEU(SOC). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::::MEUSCOC. Wonder what the first "C" stands for?
:::::::It would have been so much simpler if there was website that chronicles the history of MEU(SOC) pistol. Every variant along with pictures and how they were designated (to distinguish them)... Because currently sources are conflicting. In USMC's [http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/ MCB Quantico] section there is an article "[http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/Sentry/storyview.aspx?SID=4913 The Devil Dogs’ workshop]". There it says M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol is being built by local armorers. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:50, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

One more issue: sources vary on the year of adoption. Some say 1985[http://www.americanspecialops.com/special-ops-weapons/meusoc-pistol.php][http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm], other say 1986[http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marinefacts/blsoc.htm][http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=16][http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/meusoc.htm]. Maybe change the part to "since the mid-1980s"? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:53, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

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==Additional Variants==
===Screen Used===
[[Image:EnemyofState1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Screen-used original Colt M1911 pistol wielded by [[Gene Hackman]]'s character Brill in ''[[Enemy of the State]]'', serial #357414 (photo from Long Mountain Outfitters).]]
[[Image:M1911WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen used M1911 pistol (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Sam Elliott]] as Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen Used Hero Gun M1911A1, carried by [[Mel Gibson]] as Lt. Col. Hal Moore in the film ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP. Provided by Cinema Weaponry.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Saradet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detonics 1911 used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''. Image courtesy of ScreeUsed.com]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated ''[[Titanic]]'' M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual D&L Sports Professional Model Longslides - .45 ACP movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, golden suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:ShootEmUp-HammersonNiteTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac (.45 ACP) used in ''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the engraved Hammerson logo. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:1911-The Getaway.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Government Commercial M1911 - .45 ACP used by [[Steve McQueen]] in the film ''[[Getaway, The (1972)]]''.]]
[[Image:M&MSColtXSEusedinfilm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt M1911A1 XSE - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]''.]]
[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The two blank firing prop custom Colt M1911A1s used in the film ''[[Punisher, The (2004)]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:NashBridges1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nash Bridges' Custom 1911 - .38 Super. This is the actual pistol that was used by [[Don Johnson]] in the show ''[[Nash Bridges]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt-M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The actual M1911A1 [[Pierce Brosnan]] used in ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SerenityM191A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Jayne Cobb's Mocked-Up Custom M1911A1 - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Serenity]]''.]]
[[Image:P00654 1911 Full Left.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Colt M1911 with Nickel-plated and pearl grips - .45 ACP pistol. This non-firing prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film '''[[The Other Guys]]'''. The gun is accompanied by the Galco shoulder holster and clip pouch also used in numerous scenes from the film. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TGC&Product_Code=P00654&Category_Code=OtherGuys here].]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by [[Sylvester Stallone‎]] in ''[[Expendables, The|The Expendables]]'' - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:IMG 0444.JPG|thumb|none|450px|[[M1911|Colt MK IV Series 80]] - .45 ACP This was used in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' and the series ''[[Chase]]'' and ''[[Dark Blue]]''.]]

===Airsoft Variants===
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film ''[[Se7en]]''.]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of [[Cobra]]'s Colt GC National Match - 9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:Htk1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft replica of Storm's M1911A1 from ''[[Hard to Kill]]'' - made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Replica of Castor Troy's custom Springfield Armory M1911-A1 - .45 ACP from the film ''[[Face/Off]]''.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica - .45 ACP, very similar to what Frank ([[James Caan]]) used in the film ''[[Thief]]''.]]
[[Image:Snake_.45-2.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Sheriff Co. "Custom M1911" Airsoft Gun - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft replica of a Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Baby1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft WE HiCapa 5.1 Full Metal Dragon Custom M1911 (Type B) Black Model with blue LED lights in the grip - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Detonics CombatMaster M1911 airsoft.jpg|450px|thumb|none|WE "Caspian Arms" M1911 replica of a Detonics CombatMaster M1911 or a Colt Officer's ACP - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Colt M1911.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Yu Teng 'YT385' replica of the original Colt M1911A1 model - .45ACP]]

===Other Replicas===
[[Image:Snake_.45.JPG|thumb|none|450px|CGI rendering of the Springfield Operator from the game [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]] - .45 ACP]]

===Other Variants===
[[File:M1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detailed screenshot of prewar M1911A1]]
[[Image:Kimber_Ultra_Crimson_Carry_II.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:AMT_Hardballer_Hitman_Replica.jpg|390px|thumb|none|A near-perfect, firing, replica of the "Silverballers" from the Hitman series.]]

[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 .45 ACP with Pachymar grips]]
[[Image:Taurus PT1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Taurus PT1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Bruni8mm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni M1911A1-style blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank.]]
[[Image:Para1911G.I..jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para 1911 G.I. Expert - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SA_loaded_m1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded M1911A1 - .45 ACP similar to the one used by Sydney Bristow from ''[[Alias]]''.]]
[[Image:Peter-1-5006-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Federal Ordnance PSP-07 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TIKI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Strayer Voight Infinity TIKI - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt Series 80 M1911A1 pistol similair to one in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberUltraRaptor.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Kimber Stainless Ultra Raptor - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Para645LDA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance 6.45 LDA with spare magazines - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtDefenderRIGHT83.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Defender - .45 ACP was similar to the one used in the game ''[[Uncharted 2: Among Thieves]]''.]]
[[Image:GM45M1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Hybrid 1911 "Gladys" fitted with a nickel plated three cut compensator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Delta 001.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Delta Elite - 10mm Auto]]
[[Image:SM178017.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 Pro Series - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SW108282.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberWarrior.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP like the one in the show ''[[24 - Season 8|24]]''.]]
[[Image:FLX 2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nighthawk FLX - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Triple_Tap_IMM_Open_pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|This SVI 1911 - .45 ACP is almost exactly like the one used in the film ''[[Triple Tap]]''. The description on the website reads, "IMM Open pistol made of carbon steel with Titanium compensator." (Picture supplied by sviguns.com)]]
[[Image:CaptainPriceSALoaded.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Captain Price SA Loaded - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911WideSpur.png|thumb|none|450px|Springfield GI 1911 A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:The Veteran Colt 1991A1 Series 80.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 Series 80 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1USAF.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Black Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_ultra_compact.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Springfield Armory Ultra Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PX9105MLP.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded MC Operator - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_Armory_Omega.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Omega - .45 ACP]]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

Agreed --[[PunisherDave]]

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Correction, Glocks are not DAO. They fire from a half-cocked position. When you dry fire the gun, the hammer falls and must be recocked by racking the slide, it does not cock by double action springs. That's why the have a slightly heavy trigger pull, they are half cocked, and are brought to full cock and dropped by pulling the trigger. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::: Bah, how did I miss that.. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

i thought glocks were striker-fired?

I think I read that Tacoma, WA police carry 1911s as standard issue service weapons.

I read on another forum that the LAPD authorises 1911 varients to officers, however they have to go through an intense training program to be authorised for it and they have to re-qualify ever few months too. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:30, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

Yes. A Glock is a "striker-fired" weapon so technically it is not either double action or single action because a glock doesnt have a hammer but instead releases the firing pin inside the slide. However if you were going to have to compare it, Single Action would be the closest term. Because the firing pin is "cocked" when the slide is racked and then the trigger only releases it and firing the round. Additionally a Glock does not qualify as a double action because it in no way cocks anything with the trigger. The trigger on a Glock can not be pulled again without cycling the weapon, whereas on a gun that is a double action the trigger can be pulled and the hammer actuated multiple times without cycling the weapon. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of at least 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:With regard to caliber, police need rounds that can penetrate car bodies, doors, walls, etc. .45 rounds are not known for penetration. Also, while the .45 round is more effective against soft tissue than 9mm and .40 S&W rounds, anyone who tries to claim that 7 .45 rounds can do the work of 20 9mm or .40 rounds is completely dillusional. Watch ballistic test videos. A .45 slug entering the body does more damage than a 9mm round entering the body. If you try to claim that one .45 wound is more damaging than 2 9mm wounds with any decent grouping than you clearly have no understanding of physics or human anatomy.

But the fact remains with a 9mm you dont want him dead in the half hour it will take for him to bleed out. you want him dead NOW. with the .45 hes going to feel it. he aint gunna get back up. with the 9mm he might just keep firing.
:Depending on shot placement. A 9mm slug to the heart or any of the major arteries surrounding it will cause death within several seconds. The same is true of a shot to most areas of the skull. .45 does have increased lethality over 9mm, but that degree of superiority has been greatly exaggerated.

Yeah but a 9mm can pass through a person and keep going, a .45 doesn't. I would imagine you wouldn't want those two 9mm rounds going through a person and hitting an innocent bystander. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:28, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. I am of course referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Everything you have described establishes that the gun is a good design, perhaps the best gun around when it first came out, but does not explain it's enduring following. The grip may be confortable for many people, but that is far too subjective to explain why so many people (with so many different hand sizes) still favor this gun. It's single stack magazine make it a confortable target and practical concealed carry weapon, but the limited capacity it offers can be a death trap in a combat weapon (which many still claim the 1911 is the quintessential example of). The .45 ACP is a great round against soft targets, but does not offer very good penetration or long distance acuracy. And with the isistance on reliable "Soldier Proof" weapons in most of today's militaries, many modern pistols are more reliable and easier to strip than the original 1911s. I don't deny that the 1911 was most likely the best pistol in the world when it came out and for a few decades after, but I don't think it still warrents that praise anymore, yet almost every gun Television show, magazine, website, etc. seems to constantly proclaim its supremacy.

To answer your first point. The single stack, thin handgrip is easily usable by people of differing handtypes. You say its subjective but isn't how something feels in someones hand subjective? For example, the M9/Beretta 92FS has a thick grip. Bigger hands have no problem with the grip but smaller hands do. The slim 1911 grip can be used by big hands or little hands. The grip angle is something else that many people find comfortable. You second point that you made was the single stack "death trap". You say that the single stack is a liability. But capacity isn't everything. 7+ rounds of .45 ACP is good. The .45ACP has a well known reputation for one shot stops. The 9mm of the Beretta 92 or Glock 17 does not have that reputation. As for the .45ACP, it is not meant to penetrate body armor, neither is the standard 9mm, but it is accurate over long distances. There are very few pistol rounds that are meant to penetrate body armor of vehicle armor, which is what I think that you are getting at. If you draw a pistol in a combat zone, you are already in deep trouble or in a position where a high capacity is not needed, i.e. MP's. Anyway, a pistol is not meant to be accurate at long distances so the point is moot. As for the "Soldier Proof" weapons, that is just a cheap way out of training soldiers correctly, as they did with the A2 model of the M16. A milspec 1911 is just as reliable as newer designs. One such argument is that the 1911 was only tested for 6000 rounds with no failure before cleaning while Glock for example is tested at 30,000 rounds. What soldier won't clean his sidearm after 6000 rounds? What battle involves firing 6000 rounds out of a pistol? If you can't see why the 1911 design is praised and still being used then I can't help any further. The 1911 design has many good points that apparently many people still find better than other designs, and many still find the 1911 a proven and effective design.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 22:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently I wasn't clear when I rebutted you last time. The single stack is confortable for people with small hands yes. However, people with larger hands, and even some small handed people, have no problem with thicker grips and so the capacity limiting single stack serves no purpose. The grip angle is a completely subjective feature and so it is imposible to argue that one style is better than another. What matters more is simply what one is used to. You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications, however my point wasn't that the 1911 is bad (it is a good weapon) but simply that there are better guns out their. 7 or 8 rounds may be enough for most encounters, but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often. Also, when I referenced penetration I had things like doors, walls, and car bodies in mind, not armor. The .38 Super cartridge was specifically developed because the .45 could not penetrate car bodies effectively. Your previous post all focuses on arguing that the 1911 is an ''adequate'' combat pistol which I completely agree with. My whole point is that the features you mentioned ''do not make it the best pistol around.'' When I first began this conversation I stated that the 1911 is not a bad gun, simply that with all the pistol designs that have emerged in the past century it is no longer the greatest pistol in the world, yet nearly everyone in the gun community (yourself clearly included) still claim it is for no other reason than people like its grip (which is subjective), its caliber (which is used in many much modern modern firearms), and its history (which can easily make it a favorite gun but can not be used as justification for it being the best).

You were arguing the design flaws but it is the design that is one of the big reasons it has such a following. Since you are arguing one view against the other. Why a lot of people think that it is the best. The design is one reason, history is another, the round it fires is yet another reason. I actually don't think it is the best I was merely stating the reasons that it is popular and why people say it is the best. I like the Beretta 92fs for its grip and certain design attributes and the Glock 21sf for different reasons. Would I object to using the 1911 in combat. No. Would I use the Beretta 92fs in combat with FMJ ammo? Not if I didn't have to. With HP ammo, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Beretta. But even your view of other designs being better is subjective. If a pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc...is reliable and fires a moderately effective round then it is a good design. What makes it the best is subjective as far as it goes. What one pistol may be best at is what makes it worst at something else. There is no way to objectively define the "best" just what is better than something else.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. I don't have any gun in mind that I think is indisputably better than all others. The features I pointed out I did so to demonstrate that in certain aspects the 1911 is inferior to other disigns, not that said other designs are the perfect weapon. Every design is a give and take of different features. Because of this, my main complaint was a pervaisive belief that the 1911 is unquestioningly the greatest gun ever (I have heard that phrase Verbatim in many issues of Guns & Ammo). Is it better in some aspects than double-collumn, double-action 9mm pistols? Yes. Is it better across the board? Absolutly not. I apologize if at any point I have come across as confrontational, it is just that I have heard so many people assert the 1911's complete supremacy so many times that it has really gotten on my nerves and I wanted to know what others thought.

Google "1911"...then google any other gun...now tell me which one has the most varieties...which one has the most after market parts and pieces for the specialist. Which one has the most surplus parts. Its so popular and so famous because if you wanted to you could make one look like no other one or you could make it look like that one in your favorite movie. Not only that but all the diffrent calibers from 45cal to the awesome and unbeatable 10mm. Plus they are sexy as hell. To sum up you can basically have a beautiful, functional, all steel combat pistol in your choice of caliber and its going to feel like a dream in your hands.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:The madness of crowds surely knows few bounds--just look at how the various bottled water companies manage to make a killing selling what is essentially tap water, because people will do often do things just because enough other people tell them it's a good idea. Then again, I suppose the "cult following" that some pistol-types have over others is due in part to the following facts:

:*Pistols are rarely if ever primary combat weapons anymore, with the exception of law enforcement.
:*Few people who routinely carry pistols have to regularly use them in gun battles against opponents who are earnestly trying to kill them.

:Therefore there aren't many occasions for most pistol-carriers to test their assumptions in the most revealing field of all--life-or-death situations. So depending on your circumstances you can go a lifetime without ever putting the hype in the harsh light of real return-fire. I'd bet on the M1911-type (the "pure" single-stack .45 ACP M1911s) pistols selling so much mostly because of its hype and history, and that it is, at its heart, a serviceable (though hardly optimal) weapon. Given how many clones there are, however, I really must wonder what would have happened had Colt become the sole copyright holder for this pistol type--would we see more innovation that way, or just countless clones of some other pistol type? Perhaps a more revealing, specific question would be "How does the M1911 platform compare to the Glock platform or CZ-75 platform?" That could work because all three are successful pistol types offered in multiple calibers, including 9x19mm, .45 ACP, and 10mm Auto.

:Bottom line? The "pure" M1911 works, but we can certainly do better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 04:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly

Ok, well answer me this then. Why if the 1911 is all hype and legend does MEUSOC still issue 1911s? Why does Delta give out a stipend to have an operator buy his own custom 1911? Why does the FBI HRT use 1911s? and LAPD SWAT? and so many other groups that use pistols? The reasons the wonder 9s came into popularity are lower recoil (marginal), size (marginal) higher capacity (less training in marksmanship), weight (long since gone by the wayside), to match ammo with other NATO countries (Military), and hype/ cool factor (civilian). The 1911 has served admirably (in one capacity or another) with few major changes to the platform for almost 100 years. The Beretta, Glock, CZ-75, etc. have been redesigned and "improved" since they came out just to try and match the 1911s in popularity, reliability, etc.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 17:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:Sure thing. How many of these operators you mentioned fulfill the conditions I mentioned above, namely that they regularly use pistols as their primary combat weapons instead of SMGs/PDWs/Rifles and often engage in gunfights with earnest, aware opponents? And other combat platforms for the .45 ACP won out, such as the Mk. 23 SOCOM pistol which won out over Colt's version. The "improved" Beretta, Glock, CZ-75 you mentioned have done so to fit consumer demand and market competition, but national armed forces aren't that commercial and competitive most of the time because of how many contracts and vested interests are running the show. I simply said that the "Pure" M1911 platform works when used, but it can be improved, otherwise the Mk.23 SOCOM wouldn't have won the OHWS program. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 02:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::A lot of Special Forces don't even use the Mk. 23 due to its bulky and awkward size. Many Navy SEALs opt to use 9mm SIG-Sauer Pistols

H&K won the competition because they strictly adhered to all of the requirements (some of which were asinine), and they put in the best bid. When USSOCOM received the Mk. 23 they got exactly what they asked for but not what they had actually wanted. The SEALS who used it complained about how it was too big, heavy, and its cons outweighed its pros. They tried to pawn them off on the ARMY but no one there would touch them, so most of them went back to H&K. As with all things military, big brass does not listen to the guys who actually have to use the equipment until its too late.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I would like to toss my thoughts into the mix. Being a Brit getting a hold of a real firearm is harder than getting away with stealing the Popes hat, but I am an avid airsofter and I have held and fired many different types of airsoft pistols ranging from HK USPs, to Glocks, to Berettas, to SIGs. But I still go back to my 1911s to which I have 2 (I'm awaiting delivery of a third). I don't have tiny hands but I don't have big bear hands and the 1911 design feels right in my hands. I use a weaver stance and the 1911 is the best pistol for hand placement in that stance, I had an issue with the Beretta that sometimes my thumb could slip onto the slide locking mechinism and prevent slide lock. With Glocks they felt too top heavy for me, maybe it's how the airsoft Glocks are designed and it's not like that on the Real steel. I used a SIG for quite a while as that felt pretty good, but as soon as I picked up a 1911 I needed one. After a little practice I can draw, remove the safety and bring the pistol up to the target in a little under 2 seconds. Why do I like the 1911 so much? It's all about the placement, the safety is right by your thumb so when you draw it you can use one motion to bring the pistol up and deactivate the safety. I found the Beretta to be a bit of a fumbling job deactivating the safety mid draw. Why the 1911 design is still praised isn't down to some cult following, it's down to simple ergonomics, it looks great, the functionality is great, the placement of everything on the pistol is perfect. I saw someone post that they would rather be able to fire 30,000 shots and not have to clean their pistol rather than 6000. I don't know about you but if I only fired off one shot from my pistol in a battle I would still clean it to make sure nothing is going to cause a problem next time. Better to be safe than sorry. --[[User:Cool-breeze|Cool-breeze]] 17:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ballester-Molina ==

The Ballester-Molina should not be included in the 1911 page. It's not a 1911, only the mags and barrel interchange. Internally it's based on the Star Model A, which has significant differences from the 1911 in terms of lockwork. Unless anyone objects I'm going to create a separate page for it. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Link share ==

Hello there,

This is a question for the webmaster/admin here at www.imfdb.org.

Can I use part of the information from this blog post right above if I give a link back to your site?

Thanks,
Daniel

== Dreamworks Animation ==

When are you guys going to add animated films from Dreamworks like Monsters vs. Aliens and Megamind, because they have guns used by police and the military.

Just because there are guns in it doesn't mean it gets a page here. Are they recognisable as real guns, or are they stylised ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

They are real guns in the animated films, like in Monsters vs Aliens, the soldiers used some M16 rifles to shoot at the alien, and in Megamind, the police uses rifles and pistols on aiming the villain, who is walking.

OK, I'm going to assume that you haven't read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page, most notably [[Rules, Standards and Principles#Anime: Rules & Restrictions|this section]]. Read that, then check back. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

But wait, why do we have video game pages then? Firearms in them barely resemble real ones --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok sorry, no big deal, lets not add cartoons yet, because they have to wait.

:@Jackbel. Because in video games you can clearly identify the guns, and no the good ones do not just 'barely resemble real ones.' As a video game person you should know this, unless Australia has weird rules about depicting guns in video games. The reason cartoons are generally not allowed is because unlike anime, most cartoons have a generic silouette of a 'gun' while most animes have enough detail to be able to determine what guns was used. Think [[Ghost in the Shell]] or [[Cowboy Bebop]].--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==.45 Blanks==

I've read a lot here that .45 blanks used to be unreliable. I was wondering when they started to become a bit more reliable and why they were unreliable? I can't find that anywhere.

I thought it wasn't really the blanks being unreliable so much as it just being easier to blank-convert a 9mm than a .45. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

.45 pistols require more recoil force to cycle their actions than 9mms. Since blank rounds have virtually no recoil, .45s are much harder to convert to use blanks.

Ah right. Is there some new way of converting them now because I've started to notice that in recent years there have been a lot of films using .45 ACP versions of pistols that are also chambered in 9mm. Die Hard 4.0 for example, McClane as a P220 in .45 ACP. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
::''"Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45"'' We have a pic of the actual screen used gun and is listed as .45 ACP. I think all newer P220s are chambered in .45, only some of the older ones were chambered in 9mm and .38 Super. Also the .45 being unreliable with blanks. I don't think it encompassed all .45 chambered pistols. I think it was only in the 1911 platform. With the 9mm being a much smaller blank and having the large ejection port made for the .45 it was easier to eject them.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun in the film and was carried and fired by ''[[Bruce Willis]]''.]]
::: Just checking. Especially after the whole issue with the Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Long (and detailed!)story short. For a 1911 to fire blanks reliably you must first drill and tap the barrel for a blank adapter, then taper the barrel hood, then grind off the locking lugs, and remove the barrel linkage. Once that is done, the testing for a reliable adapter and blank combo ensues (you may or may not need to enlarge the ejection port too). I figure its pretty much the same with other pistols...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a very complex process. I'm assuming if you do that well though the 1911 will cycle blanks as well as 9mm blanks. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I read an article in a gun magazine a few years back about blanks and it said that it comes down to the casings used. According to the article, blanks are made from rifle brass because it has to be long enough to be crimped and still be long enough to be the length of a real cartridge. The problem with .45 acp ammo is that until recently there was no rifle brass in .45 diameter that could be used for blanks. I remember reading back when "Miami Vice" was on that Timothy La France had brass custom manufactured in .45 for blanks. -- David, 3 December 2010 (well, its the 3rd where I live)

==Laseraim Series III?==

So what is this thing?
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
It looks more like a CZ derivative than a 1911 derivative to me... Alot like a mashup of CZ, S&W, Sig, STI, etc..-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:It draws a little from the S&W series (namely the safety) and CZ-75 (in terms of grip shape), but technically it is a M1911 derivative, they just didn't make many of them.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Used to see these in tv shows during the late 80s. the later model was the first pistol I ever saw with an integral accessory rail on the dust cover, although that was in a catalog. David. 11 December 2010
:::Dust cover? What are you talking about? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
I don't know what else to call it, it is the part of the frame extending in front of the trigger guard. I have seen it, in print referred to as a dust cover. David.

::THIS Laseraim was photographed for the [[Haunted (2002)]] page since it was used in an episode. If you guys read the Haunted (2002) page, for which this IMAGE was originally shot for, the description says: '''Laser Aim was yet another manufacturer who built ported .45 ACP pistol based on the original M1911 design, but incorporating elements of the BHP and the CZ-75 into a new design. The unique feature of the Laser Aim was a hole cut out of the trigger guard ahead of the trigger to mount a laser. Since the production ended for this pistol, smaller lasers with better battery life have been invented. By the late 1990s LaserAim had gone out of business and had sold their patents to AMT. ''' Hope this sheds some light on the piece. It is a new weapon influenced purportedly by M1911, BHP and CZ designs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Ah, that explains it. Could have saved myself about 2 hrs of google searching if I'd looked up the image uses hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== MEU(SOC) Pistol... ==
...has been given a new designation, ''M45''. [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/m45-close-quarters-combat-pistol/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

We also need a better image for it, but I can't find one I can't be sure isn't an Airsoft gun. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The big problem is there is no single model that is the M45/ MEUSOC Pistol. The "M-45s" in service are a mix and match of Kimbers, Springfields, Colts, etc. The "M-45" is a set of specs that any pistols built for MEUSOC have to comply with. There are SOME retrofitted M1911A1 pistols that were done by USMC Armorers at Quantico, but they are going to be near impossible to differentiate from the M1911A1 they were built from.
Here's a good thread from AR15.com (dear lord its hard to say that haha) about the M-45 MEUSOC pistol variants.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=86667
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

== More proof of the M1911's greatness ==

According to the news, the M1911 is now the official state gun of Utah! This is kind of cool, since John Browning lived in Utah, and it's just in time for the great .45's centennial anniversary. [[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 21:16, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

== Happy 100th Anniversary to the Colt M1911! ==

Happy 100 years of service M1911! Thank you for providing some of the most nastiest knockdown power available to the armed forces and for providing an eternal name of badassery in motion pictures!

Here's looking forward to 100 years more! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 15:40, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

My favorite semi-auto is the 1911. I've had affairs with others but I always come back to a good ole Colt .45. I didn't understand why until I did some research and figured out we shared a birthday. Still saving for an anniversary model... [[User:USGIMar29|USGIMar29]] 19:40, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

==9mm 1911s==
I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question to ask but could anyone recommend some good 9mm 1911s? I live in Australia and the maximum calibre you can get without doing competition shooting is .38 or 9mm rounds. --[[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 07:07, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Naming the MEU(SOC) pistol ==

On M1911's page (and correspondingly on pages that list the weapon) it is named "M-45 MEUSOC":

1) While calling it "M-45" wouldn't be incorrect, it should be changed to "M45" in line with other officially adopted names on IMFDB;

2) Using "MEUSOC" in conjunction with "M45" is incorrect. It is either "MEU(SOC) Pistol" or "M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol"/"M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol".

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:46, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

:Well, then go change it. ^3^ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:59, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

::Will be done right now. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:17, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::I think they are the same pistol. I remember seeing a story about how the MEU(SOC) was reclassified as the M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol at some point, and have also seen documents that use the term M45 MEUSOC (no brackets). What do you think the differences are between the two? I think there is some confusing as there have been various different versions of the MEU(SOC) pistol built from various off the shelf parts. There are at least 5 versions that I know of, and main fetures are as follows. 1: original version with unflared ejection port and Springfield Armoury logo behind the ejection port. 2: newer slide with flared ejection port and logo in front of the ejection port. 3: front slide serrations. 4: wide slide serrations and Novak sights, with grip safety with "bumb" at the bottom. 5: 4th version with skeleton hammer rather than Commander type hammer. You also have the ICQB which is a Kimber made pistol with a railed frame. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:26, 3 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Sorry, just realised I totally misread your original post. Though you were saying that the MEU(SOC) and M45 were different pistols. However, the term M45 MEUSOC (without brackets) is also correct. [https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=df43476377acd40c0f409faa2ceffc9d&_cview=1] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::Notice the presence of comma between M-45 and MEUSOC. That would indicate the listing of different designations for the weapon. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:27, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

::::::I really don't think the comma means that, but to satisfy you, here [http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2010/03-March/19-Mar-2010/FBO-02095403.htm]. To be fair though, I have seen official documents that refer to the M45 being the MEUSOC, Close Quarters Battle or Close Quarters Combat pistol. I think this whole conversation is irrelevant however, as on looking into it, I think the M45 pistol and the MEU(SOC) pistol listed on this page are different weapons, with the M45 being a commercial of the shelf pistol made by either Colt, Sprinfield Armoury or Karl Lippard Designs. This article from the [http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/ Marine Corps Times] seems to back this up (this time referring to it as the Close Quarter Battle Pistol) stating that the M45 is modelled on the MEU(SOC) but will be a COTS pistol, which is currently being evaluated. For the sake of simplicity, I think the pistol on this page should just be called the MEU(SOC). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::::MEUSCOC. Wonder what the first "C" stands for?
:::::::It would have been so much simpler if there was website that chronicles the history of MEU(SOC) pistol. Every variant along with pictures and how they were designated (to distinguish them)... Because currently sources are conflicting. In USMC's [http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/ MCB Quantico] section there is an article "[http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/Sentry/storyview.aspx?SID=4913 The Devil Dogs’ workshop]". There it says M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol is being built by local armorers. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:50, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

One more issue: sources vary on the year of adoption. Some say 1985[http://www.americanspecialops.com/special-ops-weapons/meusoc-pistol.php][http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm], other say 1986[http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marinefacts/blsoc.htm][http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=16][http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/meusoc.htm]. Maybe change the part to "since the mid-1980s"? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:53, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

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==Additional Variants==
===Screen Used===
[[Image:EnemyofState1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Screen-used original Colt M1911 pistol wielded by [[Gene Hackman]]'s character Brill in ''[[Enemy of the State]]'', serial #357414 (photo from Long Mountain Outfitters).]]
[[Image:M1911WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen used M1911 pistol (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Sam Elliott]] as Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen Used Hero Gun M1911A1, carried by [[Mel Gibson]] as Lt. Col. Hal Moore in the film ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP. Provided by Cinema Weaponry.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Saradet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detonics 1911 used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''. Image courtesy of ScreeUsed.com]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated ''[[Titanic]]'' M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual D&L Sports Professional Model Longslides - .45 ACP movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, golden suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:ShootEmUp-HammersonNiteTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac (.45 ACP) used in ''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the engraved Hammerson logo. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:1911-The Getaway.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Government Commercial M1911 - .45 ACP used by [[Steve McQueen]] in the film ''[[Getaway, The (1972)]]''.]]
[[Image:M&MSColtXSEusedinfilm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt M1911A1 XSE - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]''.]]
[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The two blank firing prop custom Colt M1911A1s used in the film ''[[Punisher, The (2004)]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:NashBridges1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nash Bridges' Custom 1911 - .38 Super. This is the actual pistol that was used by [[Don Johnson]] in the show ''[[Nash Bridges]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt-M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The actual M1911A1 [[Pierce Brosnan]] used in ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SerenityM191A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Jayne Cobb's Mocked-Up Custom M1911A1 - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Serenity]]''.]]
[[Image:P00654 1911 Full Left.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Colt M1911 with Nickel-plated and pearl grips - .45 ACP pistol. This non-firing prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film '''[[The Other Guys]]'''. The gun is accompanied by the Galco shoulder holster and clip pouch also used in numerous scenes from the film. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TGC&Product_Code=P00654&Category_Code=OtherGuys here].]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by [[Sylvester Stallone‎]] in ''[[Expendables, The|The Expendables]]'' - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:IMG 0444.JPG|thumb|none|450px|[[M1911|Colt MK IV Series 80]] - .45 ACP This was used in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' and the series ''[[Chase]]'' and ''[[Dark Blue]]''.]]

===Airsoft Variants===
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film ''[[Se7en]]''.]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of [[Cobra]]'s Colt GC National Match - 9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:Htk1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft replica of Storm's M1911A1 from ''[[Hard to Kill]]'' - made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Replica of Castor Troy's custom Springfield Armory M1911-A1 - .45 ACP from the film ''[[Face/Off]]''.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica - .45 ACP, very similar to what Frank ([[James Caan]]) used in the film ''[[Thief]]''.]]
[[Image:Snake_.45-2.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Sheriff Co. "Custom M1911" Airsoft Gun - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft replica of a Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Baby1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft WE HiCapa 5.1 Full Metal Dragon Custom M1911 (Type B) Black Model with blue LED lights in the grip - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Detonics CombatMaster M1911 airsoft.jpg|450px|thumb|none|WE "Caspian Arms" M1911 replica of a Detonics CombatMaster M1911 or a Colt Officer's ACP - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Colt M1911.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Yu Teng 'YT385' replica of the original Colt M1911A1 model - .45ACP]]

===Other Replicas===
[[Image:Snake_.45.JPG|thumb|none|450px|CGI rendering of the Springfield Operator from the game [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]] - .45 ACP]]

===Other Variants===
[[File:M1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detailed screenshot of prewar M1911A1]]
[[Image:Kimber_Ultra_Crimson_Carry_II.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:AMT_Hardballer_Hitman_Replica.jpg|390px|thumb|none|A near-perfect, firing, replica of the "Silverballers" from the Hitman series.]]

[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 .45 ACP with Pachymar grips]]
[[Image:Taurus PT1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Taurus PT1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Bruni8mm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni M1911A1-style blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank.]]
[[Image:Para1911G.I..jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para 1911 G.I. Expert - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SA_loaded_m1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded M1911A1 - .45 ACP similar to the one used by Sydney Bristow from ''[[Alias]]''.]]
[[Image:Peter-1-5006-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Federal Ordnance PSP-07 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TIKI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Strayer Voight Infinity TIKI - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt Series 80 M1911A1 pistol similair to one in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberUltraRaptor.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Kimber Stainless Ultra Raptor - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Para645LDA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance 6.45 LDA with spare magazines - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtDefenderRIGHT83.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Defender - .45 ACP was similar to the one used in the game ''[[Uncharted 2: Among Thieves]]''.]]
[[Image:GM45M1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Hybrid 1911 "Gladys" fitted with a nickel plated three cut compensator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Delta 001.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Delta Elite - 10mm Auto]]
[[Image:SM178017.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 Pro Series - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SW108282.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberWarrior.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP like the one in the show ''[[24 - Season 8|24]]''.]]
[[Image:FLX 2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nighthawk FLX - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Triple_Tap_IMM_Open_pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|This SVI 1911 - .45 ACP is almost exactly like the one used in the film ''[[Triple Tap]]''. The description on the website reads, "IMM Open pistol made of carbon steel with Titanium compensator." (Picture supplied by sviguns.com)]]
[[Image:CaptainPriceSALoaded.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Captain Price SA Loaded - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911WideSpur.png|thumb|none|450px|Springfield GI 1911 A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:The Veteran Colt 1991A1 Series 80.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 Series 80 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1USAF.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Black Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_ultra_compact.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Springfield Armory Ultra Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PX9105MLP.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded MC Operator - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_Armory_Omega.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Omega - .45 ACP]]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

Agreed --[[PunisherDave]]

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Correction, Glocks are not DAO. They fire from a half-cocked position. When you dry fire the gun, the hammer falls and must be recocked by racking the slide, it does not cock by double action springs. That's why the have a slightly heavy trigger pull, they are half cocked, and are brought to full cock and dropped by pulling the trigger. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::: Bah, how did I miss that.. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

i thought glocks were striker-fired?

I think I read that Tacoma, WA police carry 1911s as standard issue service weapons.

I read on another forum that the LAPD authorises 1911 varients to officers, however they have to go through an intense training program to be authorised for it and they have to re-qualify ever few months too. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:30, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

Yes. A Glock is a "striker-fired" weapon so technically it is not either double action or single action because a glock doesnt have a hammer but instead releases the firing pin inside the slide. However if you were going to have to compare it, Single Action would be the most appropriate term. Because the firing pin is "cocked" when the slide is racked and then the trigger only releases it firing the round. Additionally a Glock does not qualify as a double action because it in no way cocks anything with the trigger. The trigger on a Glock can not be pulled again without cycling the weapon, whereas on a gun that is a double action the trigger can be pulled and the hammer actuated multiple times without cycling the weapon. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of at least 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:With regard to caliber, police need rounds that can penetrate car bodies, doors, walls, etc. .45 rounds are not known for penetration. Also, while the .45 round is more effective against soft tissue than 9mm and .40 S&W rounds, anyone who tries to claim that 7 .45 rounds can do the work of 20 9mm or .40 rounds is completely dillusional. Watch ballistic test videos. A .45 slug entering the body does more damage than a 9mm round entering the body. If you try to claim that one .45 wound is more damaging than 2 9mm wounds with any decent grouping than you clearly have no understanding of physics or human anatomy.

But the fact remains with a 9mm you dont want him dead in the half hour it will take for him to bleed out. you want him dead NOW. with the .45 hes going to feel it. he aint gunna get back up. with the 9mm he might just keep firing.
:Depending on shot placement. A 9mm slug to the heart or any of the major arteries surrounding it will cause death within several seconds. The same is true of a shot to most areas of the skull. .45 does have increased lethality over 9mm, but that degree of superiority has been greatly exaggerated.

Yeah but a 9mm can pass through a person and keep going, a .45 doesn't. I would imagine you wouldn't want those two 9mm rounds going through a person and hitting an innocent bystander. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:28, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. I am of course referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Everything you have described establishes that the gun is a good design, perhaps the best gun around when it first came out, but does not explain it's enduring following. The grip may be confortable for many people, but that is far too subjective to explain why so many people (with so many different hand sizes) still favor this gun. It's single stack magazine make it a confortable target and practical concealed carry weapon, but the limited capacity it offers can be a death trap in a combat weapon (which many still claim the 1911 is the quintessential example of). The .45 ACP is a great round against soft targets, but does not offer very good penetration or long distance acuracy. And with the isistance on reliable "Soldier Proof" weapons in most of today's militaries, many modern pistols are more reliable and easier to strip than the original 1911s. I don't deny that the 1911 was most likely the best pistol in the world when it came out and for a few decades after, but I don't think it still warrents that praise anymore, yet almost every gun Television show, magazine, website, etc. seems to constantly proclaim its supremacy.

To answer your first point. The single stack, thin handgrip is easily usable by people of differing handtypes. You say its subjective but isn't how something feels in someones hand subjective? For example, the M9/Beretta 92FS has a thick grip. Bigger hands have no problem with the grip but smaller hands do. The slim 1911 grip can be used by big hands or little hands. The grip angle is something else that many people find comfortable. You second point that you made was the single stack "death trap". You say that the single stack is a liability. But capacity isn't everything. 7+ rounds of .45 ACP is good. The .45ACP has a well known reputation for one shot stops. The 9mm of the Beretta 92 or Glock 17 does not have that reputation. As for the .45ACP, it is not meant to penetrate body armor, neither is the standard 9mm, but it is accurate over long distances. There are very few pistol rounds that are meant to penetrate body armor of vehicle armor, which is what I think that you are getting at. If you draw a pistol in a combat zone, you are already in deep trouble or in a position where a high capacity is not needed, i.e. MP's. Anyway, a pistol is not meant to be accurate at long distances so the point is moot. As for the "Soldier Proof" weapons, that is just a cheap way out of training soldiers correctly, as they did with the A2 model of the M16. A milspec 1911 is just as reliable as newer designs. One such argument is that the 1911 was only tested for 6000 rounds with no failure before cleaning while Glock for example is tested at 30,000 rounds. What soldier won't clean his sidearm after 6000 rounds? What battle involves firing 6000 rounds out of a pistol? If you can't see why the 1911 design is praised and still being used then I can't help any further. The 1911 design has many good points that apparently many people still find better than other designs, and many still find the 1911 a proven and effective design.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 22:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently I wasn't clear when I rebutted you last time. The single stack is confortable for people with small hands yes. However, people with larger hands, and even some small handed people, have no problem with thicker grips and so the capacity limiting single stack serves no purpose. The grip angle is a completely subjective feature and so it is imposible to argue that one style is better than another. What matters more is simply what one is used to. You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications, however my point wasn't that the 1911 is bad (it is a good weapon) but simply that there are better guns out their. 7 or 8 rounds may be enough for most encounters, but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often. Also, when I referenced penetration I had things like doors, walls, and car bodies in mind, not armor. The .38 Super cartridge was specifically developed because the .45 could not penetrate car bodies effectively. Your previous post all focuses on arguing that the 1911 is an ''adequate'' combat pistol which I completely agree with. My whole point is that the features you mentioned ''do not make it the best pistol around.'' When I first began this conversation I stated that the 1911 is not a bad gun, simply that with all the pistol designs that have emerged in the past century it is no longer the greatest pistol in the world, yet nearly everyone in the gun community (yourself clearly included) still claim it is for no other reason than people like its grip (which is subjective), its caliber (which is used in many much modern modern firearms), and its history (which can easily make it a favorite gun but can not be used as justification for it being the best).

You were arguing the design flaws but it is the design that is one of the big reasons it has such a following. Since you are arguing one view against the other. Why a lot of people think that it is the best. The design is one reason, history is another, the round it fires is yet another reason. I actually don't think it is the best I was merely stating the reasons that it is popular and why people say it is the best. I like the Beretta 92fs for its grip and certain design attributes and the Glock 21sf for different reasons. Would I object to using the 1911 in combat. No. Would I use the Beretta 92fs in combat with FMJ ammo? Not if I didn't have to. With HP ammo, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Beretta. But even your view of other designs being better is subjective. If a pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc...is reliable and fires a moderately effective round then it is a good design. What makes it the best is subjective as far as it goes. What one pistol may be best at is what makes it worst at something else. There is no way to objectively define the "best" just what is better than something else.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. I don't have any gun in mind that I think is indisputably better than all others. The features I pointed out I did so to demonstrate that in certain aspects the 1911 is inferior to other disigns, not that said other designs are the perfect weapon. Every design is a give and take of different features. Because of this, my main complaint was a pervaisive belief that the 1911 is unquestioningly the greatest gun ever (I have heard that phrase Verbatim in many issues of Guns & Ammo). Is it better in some aspects than double-collumn, double-action 9mm pistols? Yes. Is it better across the board? Absolutly not. I apologize if at any point I have come across as confrontational, it is just that I have heard so many people assert the 1911's complete supremacy so many times that it has really gotten on my nerves and I wanted to know what others thought.

Google "1911"...then google any other gun...now tell me which one has the most varieties...which one has the most after market parts and pieces for the specialist. Which one has the most surplus parts. Its so popular and so famous because if you wanted to you could make one look like no other one or you could make it look like that one in your favorite movie. Not only that but all the diffrent calibers from 45cal to the awesome and unbeatable 10mm. Plus they are sexy as hell. To sum up you can basically have a beautiful, functional, all steel combat pistol in your choice of caliber and its going to feel like a dream in your hands.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:The madness of crowds surely knows few bounds--just look at how the various bottled water companies manage to make a killing selling what is essentially tap water, because people will do often do things just because enough other people tell them it's a good idea. Then again, I suppose the "cult following" that some pistol-types have over others is due in part to the following facts:

:*Pistols are rarely if ever primary combat weapons anymore, with the exception of law enforcement.
:*Few people who routinely carry pistols have to regularly use them in gun battles against opponents who are earnestly trying to kill them.

:Therefore there aren't many occasions for most pistol-carriers to test their assumptions in the most revealing field of all--life-or-death situations. So depending on your circumstances you can go a lifetime without ever putting the hype in the harsh light of real return-fire. I'd bet on the M1911-type (the "pure" single-stack .45 ACP M1911s) pistols selling so much mostly because of its hype and history, and that it is, at its heart, a serviceable (though hardly optimal) weapon. Given how many clones there are, however, I really must wonder what would have happened had Colt become the sole copyright holder for this pistol type--would we see more innovation that way, or just countless clones of some other pistol type? Perhaps a more revealing, specific question would be "How does the M1911 platform compare to the Glock platform or CZ-75 platform?" That could work because all three are successful pistol types offered in multiple calibers, including 9x19mm, .45 ACP, and 10mm Auto.

:Bottom line? The "pure" M1911 works, but we can certainly do better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 04:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly

Ok, well answer me this then. Why if the 1911 is all hype and legend does MEUSOC still issue 1911s? Why does Delta give out a stipend to have an operator buy his own custom 1911? Why does the FBI HRT use 1911s? and LAPD SWAT? and so many other groups that use pistols? The reasons the wonder 9s came into popularity are lower recoil (marginal), size (marginal) higher capacity (less training in marksmanship), weight (long since gone by the wayside), to match ammo with other NATO countries (Military), and hype/ cool factor (civilian). The 1911 has served admirably (in one capacity or another) with few major changes to the platform for almost 100 years. The Beretta, Glock, CZ-75, etc. have been redesigned and "improved" since they came out just to try and match the 1911s in popularity, reliability, etc.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 17:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:Sure thing. How many of these operators you mentioned fulfill the conditions I mentioned above, namely that they regularly use pistols as their primary combat weapons instead of SMGs/PDWs/Rifles and often engage in gunfights with earnest, aware opponents? And other combat platforms for the .45 ACP won out, such as the Mk. 23 SOCOM pistol which won out over Colt's version. The "improved" Beretta, Glock, CZ-75 you mentioned have done so to fit consumer demand and market competition, but national armed forces aren't that commercial and competitive most of the time because of how many contracts and vested interests are running the show. I simply said that the "Pure" M1911 platform works when used, but it can be improved, otherwise the Mk.23 SOCOM wouldn't have won the OHWS program. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 02:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::A lot of Special Forces don't even use the Mk. 23 due to its bulky and awkward size. Many Navy SEALs opt to use 9mm SIG-Sauer Pistols

H&K won the competition because they strictly adhered to all of the requirements (some of which were asinine), and they put in the best bid. When USSOCOM received the Mk. 23 they got exactly what they asked for but not what they had actually wanted. The SEALS who used it complained about how it was too big, heavy, and its cons outweighed its pros. They tried to pawn them off on the ARMY but no one there would touch them, so most of them went back to H&K. As with all things military, big brass does not listen to the guys who actually have to use the equipment until its too late.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I would like to toss my thoughts into the mix. Being a Brit getting a hold of a real firearm is harder than getting away with stealing the Popes hat, but I am an avid airsofter and I have held and fired many different types of airsoft pistols ranging from HK USPs, to Glocks, to Berettas, to SIGs. But I still go back to my 1911s to which I have 2 (I'm awaiting delivery of a third). I don't have tiny hands but I don't have big bear hands and the 1911 design feels right in my hands. I use a weaver stance and the 1911 is the best pistol for hand placement in that stance, I had an issue with the Beretta that sometimes my thumb could slip onto the slide locking mechinism and prevent slide lock. With Glocks they felt too top heavy for me, maybe it's how the airsoft Glocks are designed and it's not like that on the Real steel. I used a SIG for quite a while as that felt pretty good, but as soon as I picked up a 1911 I needed one. After a little practice I can draw, remove the safety and bring the pistol up to the target in a little under 2 seconds. Why do I like the 1911 so much? It's all about the placement, the safety is right by your thumb so when you draw it you can use one motion to bring the pistol up and deactivate the safety. I found the Beretta to be a bit of a fumbling job deactivating the safety mid draw. Why the 1911 design is still praised isn't down to some cult following, it's down to simple ergonomics, it looks great, the functionality is great, the placement of everything on the pistol is perfect. I saw someone post that they would rather be able to fire 30,000 shots and not have to clean their pistol rather than 6000. I don't know about you but if I only fired off one shot from my pistol in a battle I would still clean it to make sure nothing is going to cause a problem next time. Better to be safe than sorry. --[[User:Cool-breeze|Cool-breeze]] 17:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ballester-Molina ==

The Ballester-Molina should not be included in the 1911 page. It's not a 1911, only the mags and barrel interchange. Internally it's based on the Star Model A, which has significant differences from the 1911 in terms of lockwork. Unless anyone objects I'm going to create a separate page for it. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Link share ==

Hello there,

This is a question for the webmaster/admin here at www.imfdb.org.

Can I use part of the information from this blog post right above if I give a link back to your site?

Thanks,
Daniel

== Dreamworks Animation ==

When are you guys going to add animated films from Dreamworks like Monsters vs. Aliens and Megamind, because they have guns used by police and the military.

Just because there are guns in it doesn't mean it gets a page here. Are they recognisable as real guns, or are they stylised ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

They are real guns in the animated films, like in Monsters vs Aliens, the soldiers used some M16 rifles to shoot at the alien, and in Megamind, the police uses rifles and pistols on aiming the villain, who is walking.

OK, I'm going to assume that you haven't read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page, most notably [[Rules, Standards and Principles#Anime: Rules & Restrictions|this section]]. Read that, then check back. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

But wait, why do we have video game pages then? Firearms in them barely resemble real ones --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok sorry, no big deal, lets not add cartoons yet, because they have to wait.

:@Jackbel. Because in video games you can clearly identify the guns, and no the good ones do not just 'barely resemble real ones.' As a video game person you should know this, unless Australia has weird rules about depicting guns in video games. The reason cartoons are generally not allowed is because unlike anime, most cartoons have a generic silouette of a 'gun' while most animes have enough detail to be able to determine what guns was used. Think [[Ghost in the Shell]] or [[Cowboy Bebop]].--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==.45 Blanks==

I've read a lot here that .45 blanks used to be unreliable. I was wondering when they started to become a bit more reliable and why they were unreliable? I can't find that anywhere.

I thought it wasn't really the blanks being unreliable so much as it just being easier to blank-convert a 9mm than a .45. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

.45 pistols require more recoil force to cycle their actions than 9mms. Since blank rounds have virtually no recoil, .45s are much harder to convert to use blanks.

Ah right. Is there some new way of converting them now because I've started to notice that in recent years there have been a lot of films using .45 ACP versions of pistols that are also chambered in 9mm. Die Hard 4.0 for example, McClane as a P220 in .45 ACP. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
::''"Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45"'' We have a pic of the actual screen used gun and is listed as .45 ACP. I think all newer P220s are chambered in .45, only some of the older ones were chambered in 9mm and .38 Super. Also the .45 being unreliable with blanks. I don't think it encompassed all .45 chambered pistols. I think it was only in the 1911 platform. With the 9mm being a much smaller blank and having the large ejection port made for the .45 it was easier to eject them.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun in the film and was carried and fired by ''[[Bruce Willis]]''.]]
::: Just checking. Especially after the whole issue with the Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Long (and detailed!)story short. For a 1911 to fire blanks reliably you must first drill and tap the barrel for a blank adapter, then taper the barrel hood, then grind off the locking lugs, and remove the barrel linkage. Once that is done, the testing for a reliable adapter and blank combo ensues (you may or may not need to enlarge the ejection port too). I figure its pretty much the same with other pistols...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a very complex process. I'm assuming if you do that well though the 1911 will cycle blanks as well as 9mm blanks. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I read an article in a gun magazine a few years back about blanks and it said that it comes down to the casings used. According to the article, blanks are made from rifle brass because it has to be long enough to be crimped and still be long enough to be the length of a real cartridge. The problem with .45 acp ammo is that until recently there was no rifle brass in .45 diameter that could be used for blanks. I remember reading back when "Miami Vice" was on that Timothy La France had brass custom manufactured in .45 for blanks. -- David, 3 December 2010 (well, its the 3rd where I live)

==Laseraim Series III?==

So what is this thing?
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
It looks more like a CZ derivative than a 1911 derivative to me... Alot like a mashup of CZ, S&W, Sig, STI, etc..-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:It draws a little from the S&W series (namely the safety) and CZ-75 (in terms of grip shape), but technically it is a M1911 derivative, they just didn't make many of them.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Used to see these in tv shows during the late 80s. the later model was the first pistol I ever saw with an integral accessory rail on the dust cover, although that was in a catalog. David. 11 December 2010
:::Dust cover? What are you talking about? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
I don't know what else to call it, it is the part of the frame extending in front of the trigger guard. I have seen it, in print referred to as a dust cover. David.

::THIS Laseraim was photographed for the [[Haunted (2002)]] page since it was used in an episode. If you guys read the Haunted (2002) page, for which this IMAGE was originally shot for, the description says: '''Laser Aim was yet another manufacturer who built ported .45 ACP pistol based on the original M1911 design, but incorporating elements of the BHP and the CZ-75 into a new design. The unique feature of the Laser Aim was a hole cut out of the trigger guard ahead of the trigger to mount a laser. Since the production ended for this pistol, smaller lasers with better battery life have been invented. By the late 1990s LaserAim had gone out of business and had sold their patents to AMT. ''' Hope this sheds some light on the piece. It is a new weapon influenced purportedly by M1911, BHP and CZ designs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Ah, that explains it. Could have saved myself about 2 hrs of google searching if I'd looked up the image uses hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== MEU(SOC) Pistol... ==
...has been given a new designation, ''M45''. [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/m45-close-quarters-combat-pistol/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

We also need a better image for it, but I can't find one I can't be sure isn't an Airsoft gun. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The big problem is there is no single model that is the M45/ MEUSOC Pistol. The "M-45s" in service are a mix and match of Kimbers, Springfields, Colts, etc. The "M-45" is a set of specs that any pistols built for MEUSOC have to comply with. There are SOME retrofitted M1911A1 pistols that were done by USMC Armorers at Quantico, but they are going to be near impossible to differentiate from the M1911A1 they were built from.
Here's a good thread from AR15.com (dear lord its hard to say that haha) about the M-45 MEUSOC pistol variants.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=86667
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

== More proof of the M1911's greatness ==

According to the news, the M1911 is now the official state gun of Utah! This is kind of cool, since John Browning lived in Utah, and it's just in time for the great .45's centennial anniversary. [[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 21:16, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

== Happy 100th Anniversary to the Colt M1911! ==

Happy 100 years of service M1911! Thank you for providing some of the most nastiest knockdown power available to the armed forces and for providing an eternal name of badassery in motion pictures!

Here's looking forward to 100 years more! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 15:40, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

My favorite semi-auto is the 1911. I've had affairs with others but I always come back to a good ole Colt .45. I didn't understand why until I did some research and figured out we shared a birthday. Still saving for an anniversary model... [[User:USGIMar29|USGIMar29]] 19:40, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

==9mm 1911s==
I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question to ask but could anyone recommend some good 9mm 1911s? I live in Australia and the maximum calibre you can get without doing competition shooting is .38 or 9mm rounds. --[[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 07:07, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Naming the MEU(SOC) pistol ==

On M1911's page (and correspondingly on pages that list the weapon) it is named "M-45 MEUSOC":

1) While calling it "M-45" wouldn't be incorrect, it should be changed to "M45" in line with other officially adopted names on IMFDB;

2) Using "MEUSOC" in conjunction with "M45" is incorrect. It is either "MEU(SOC) Pistol" or "M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol"/"M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol".

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:46, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

:Well, then go change it. ^3^ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:59, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

::Will be done right now. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:17, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::I think they are the same pistol. I remember seeing a story about how the MEU(SOC) was reclassified as the M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol at some point, and have also seen documents that use the term M45 MEUSOC (no brackets). What do you think the differences are between the two? I think there is some confusing as there have been various different versions of the MEU(SOC) pistol built from various off the shelf parts. There are at least 5 versions that I know of, and main fetures are as follows. 1: original version with unflared ejection port and Springfield Armoury logo behind the ejection port. 2: newer slide with flared ejection port and logo in front of the ejection port. 3: front slide serrations. 4: wide slide serrations and Novak sights, with grip safety with "bumb" at the bottom. 5: 4th version with skeleton hammer rather than Commander type hammer. You also have the ICQB which is a Kimber made pistol with a railed frame. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:26, 3 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Sorry, just realised I totally misread your original post. Though you were saying that the MEU(SOC) and M45 were different pistols. However, the term M45 MEUSOC (without brackets) is also correct. [https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=df43476377acd40c0f409faa2ceffc9d&_cview=1] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::Notice the presence of comma between M-45 and MEUSOC. That would indicate the listing of different designations for the weapon. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:27, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

::::::I really don't think the comma means that, but to satisfy you, here [http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2010/03-March/19-Mar-2010/FBO-02095403.htm]. To be fair though, I have seen official documents that refer to the M45 being the MEUSOC, Close Quarters Battle or Close Quarters Combat pistol. I think this whole conversation is irrelevant however, as on looking into it, I think the M45 pistol and the MEU(SOC) pistol listed on this page are different weapons, with the M45 being a commercial of the shelf pistol made by either Colt, Sprinfield Armoury or Karl Lippard Designs. This article from the [http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/ Marine Corps Times] seems to back this up (this time referring to it as the Close Quarter Battle Pistol) stating that the M45 is modelled on the MEU(SOC) but will be a COTS pistol, which is currently being evaluated. For the sake of simplicity, I think the pistol on this page should just be called the MEU(SOC). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::::MEUSCOC. Wonder what the first "C" stands for?
:::::::It would have been so much simpler if there was website that chronicles the history of MEU(SOC) pistol. Every variant along with pictures and how they were designated (to distinguish them)... Because currently sources are conflicting. In USMC's [http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/ MCB Quantico] section there is an article "[http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/Sentry/storyview.aspx?SID=4913 The Devil Dogs’ workshop]". There it says M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol is being built by local armorers. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:50, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

One more issue: sources vary on the year of adoption. Some say 1985[http://www.americanspecialops.com/special-ops-weapons/meusoc-pistol.php][http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm], other say 1986[http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marinefacts/blsoc.htm][http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=16][http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/meusoc.htm]. Maybe change the part to "since the mid-1980s"? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:53, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

Hawaii Five-0 (2010)

2011-09-28T01:55:18Z

Peejn8r: /* Glock 17 */

[[Image:H5OSeason1.jpg|300px|right|thumb|''Hawaii Five-0'' (2010-present)]]

''Hawaii Five-O'' is the 2010 television update of the [[Hawaii Five-O (1968)|classic CBS television series]]. In this version of the series, Steve McGarrett ([[Alex O'Loughlin]]) is a former Navy SEAL recruited by the governor of Hawaii to head up a new crime task force in the state known as Five-O. The rest of the cast includes [[Scott Caan]] as Danny "Danno" Williams, [[Daniel Dae Kim]] as Chin Ho Kelly, and [[Grace Park]] as Kono Kalakaua.

'''The following weapons were used in the series ''Hawaii Five-O'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Pistols=

== SIG-Sauer P226 ==
Cmdr. Steve McGarrett ([[Alex O'Loughlin]]) carries a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] as his sidearm (most likely due to his background as a Navy SEAL, which issues the P226) for the first four episodes of the show. In "Haʻiʻole", a terrorist suspect named Kurt Hauff has a two-tone Sig Sauer P226.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:H50 20.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steve McGarrett ([[Alex O'Loughlin]]) draws a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] on a suspect in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-P226-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McGarrett does a brass check on his P226 (against the dashboard of a police cruiser) in the Pilot episode.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-P226-7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In the climax of the Pilot episode, McGarrett retrieves his P226 to use against Victor Hesse ([[James Marsters]]).]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P226-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In Episode 1.2, "Ohana", McGarrett chambers his P226 in front of a startled family in a hotel elevator.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett holds his P226 on a suspect in Episode 1.2, "Ohana".]]
[[File:HF0 Sig pistol.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Haʻiʻole" (ep. 2.1), Kurt firing the P226 at Kono after seeing her trying to sneak up on him on the car window.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 E2==
In "Nalowale" (S01E15), McGarrett switches over to the new [[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226 E2]]. Beginning in "Palekaiko" he carries it with a SIG-Sauer STL-900L Tactical Light/Laser mounted on the frame. The laser can be seen at the beginning of "Ke Kinohi".

[[Image:Sig Sauer P226 E2 08.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 E2 in 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0SigPistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett holding his new P226 E2 in Episode 1.5, "Nalowale". Note the "E2" in white on the tip of the slide (compare to the picture above).]]
[[Image:HFO taclight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett with the P226 E2 equipped with a pistol taclight, hunting down a murder suspect on a cruise ship in "Palekaiko".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol taclight.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McGarrett examining a yakuza gangster's mouth in "Ke Kinohi" with the taclight.]]

==Heckler & Koch P30==
In "Ke Kinohi" (S01E13), Danny 'Danno' Williams ([[Scott Caan]]) switches his sidearm from his [[SIG Pro]] to a [[Heckler & Koch P30]]. Also, as a result of a continuity error, the [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|Heckler & Koch USP Compact]] used by Drago Zankovic ([[Peter Stormare]]) in "Ohana" (Ep.1.2) becomes a newer [[Heckler & Koch P30]] in a single close-up. It later goes back to a USP Compact when he's holding the gun in Kono's car.

[[Image:HK-P30.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch P30 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Danno.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno with the P30 while making an arrest in "Kai e'e" (Ep.1.13).]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 house sweep.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Danno investigating the estate in "E Malama" (Ep.1.16) with the P30 drawn.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P30-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In a continuity error, Drago Zankovic now holds an H&K P30 instead of a USP compact on Evan Lowry when he's trying to get Kono to stop fighting with Nadia.]]
[[File:P30 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of Danno's P30 in the SS Searcher in "Haʻiʻole".]]

== SIG Pro SP2009 ==

The [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP2009]] is the main sidearm carried by Detective Danny "Danno" Williams ([[Scott Caan]]) up until he switches to a [[Heckler & Koch P30]] in 'Ke Kinohi'. Another is seen in the hands of a Yakuza gangster.

[[Image:Gsg9-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG Pro SP2009 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:H50 10.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP2009]] is drawn by Danny "Danno" Williams ([[Scott Caan]]) in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-SP2009-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Danno shoots a henchman with his SP2009 in the Pilot.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-SP2009-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close-up of an SP2009 in Episode 1.2, "Ohana". In a continuity error, Danno's SP2009 replaces McGarrett's P226 when McGarrett is using his weapon to press an elevator button (wider shots show McGarrett pushing the button with his P226).]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-SP2009-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Danno is armed with the SIG Pro as he and McGarrett clear a hallway.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol gripped.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SIG Pro in the hands of a yakuza gangster after being gunned down by McGarrett.]]

==Kel Tec PF-9==
Kono ([[Grace Park]]) was given a [[Kel-Tec PF-9]] by McGarrett at her informal academy graduation in Episode 2, "Ohana". She first uses it in Episode 8, "Mana'o".

[[Image:Kel-tec pf9-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kel-Tec PF-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii.Five.0-Kono-Kel.Tec.PF-9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono's new Kel-Tec PF-9.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 PF-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono taking aim with the PF-9 at an armed gunman in "Mana'o".]]

==Jericho 941 "Baby Eagle"==
Victor Hesse ([[James Marsters]]) holds a [[Jericho 941]] on McGarrett's father John ([[William Sadler]]) in the pilot episode.
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Stainless IMI Jericho 941 9x19mm. The gun pictured here is the screen used pistol from the movie ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''.]]
[[Image:H50 01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A [[Jericho 941]] is held on McGarrett's father John ([[William Sadler]]) in the pilot episode. ]]

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is used by Anton Hess ([[Norman Reedus]]) during the opening ambush and later by Kona "Kono" Kalakaua ([[Grace Park]]) in the pilot episode. A 14K Triad assassin uses one in "Malama Ka Aina". A kidnapper in "Pono Maka Moana" uses one with an extended pistol magazine.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:H50E1 106.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The [[Beretta 92FS]] is used by Anton Hess ([[Norman Reedus]]) during the opening ambush, taken from a dead soldier's holster before being gunned down.]]
[[Image:H50E1 118.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kona "Kono" Kalakaua ([[Grace Park]]) picks up a thug's Beretta.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 pistol fire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|14K Triad assassin aiming pistol at Mano Sapulu in "Malama Ka Aina". ]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 pistol grip.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of pistol grip used in the previous photo.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kidnapper's pistol with extended magazine.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
A [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] is used by a 14K Triad assassin in "Malama Ka Aina"(S01E03). When Carlos Bagoyo dropped his Nite-Tac pistol in "Nalowale", it changes to an Inox. It's also seen in "Ke Kinohi".

[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pistol with pearl grip used by 14k Traid assassin in Kukui High in "Malama Ka Aina".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 INOX.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The said Inox pistol on the ground, replacing the Nite-Tac pistol. This also has pearl grips.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistols.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A S&W 686 revolver on the left with a 2 1/2 barrel next to a Beretta 92FS INOX pistol.]]

==SIG-Sauer P232==

A blued [[SIG-Sauer P230#P232|SIG-Sauer P232]] is used by Nadia Lukovic ([[Ivana Milicevic]]) in Episode 1.2, "Ohana".

[[Image:SIGP232.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P232 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P230-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nadia Lukovic holds a SIG P232 on Kono.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP Compact==

A [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|Heckler & Koch USP Compact]] is used by Drago Zankovic ([[Peter Stormare]]) in Episode 1.2, "Ohana". Due to a continuity error, the weapon becomes a [[Heckler & Koch P30]] when he's shown holding it to head of Evan Lowry (Colin Ford) in a close-up.

[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch USP Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-USPC-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Drago Zankovic holds Evan Lowry hostage with an H&K USP Compact in Episode 1.2, "Ohana".]]

== Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith" ==

Kono is armed with a late model (MIM hammer and trigger) [[Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]] as her main sidearm, first seen in episode 5 "Nalowale". The standard light-colored Ladysmith grips have been replaced with black, factory grips from the 3913/3914 which are interchangeable with the Ladysmith.

[[Image:S&W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 3913 LS "Ladysmith" -9mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Ladysmith.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono armed with the 3913 when she and Chin infiltrate a deserted portion of the Honolulu harbor.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 pistol fire 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono firing the 3913 against rogue security contractors hired to assassinate a dissident military officer in "Poi'pu".]]

==M1911A1==

===Kimber Custom TLE II===

Russel Ellison ([[Wood Harris]]) is armed with the [[Kimber Custom TLE II]] in "Nalowale", which somehow identified him as more than usual security for an American ambassador. Likely the same Kimber is used several other episodes as well.

[[Image:KimberCustomTLEII OtherSide.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0holsteredpistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ellison's holstered TLE II in his waist holster.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A custom M1911A1 is seen near the corpse of Emilio Ochoa in "Mana'o".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol ready.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An armed kidnapper in "Kai e'e" readies his Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 silenced 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the two assassins uses a suppressed Kimber Custom TLE II after his HPD cover is blown in "E Makama".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Chin Ho 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin fires the suppressed Kimber Custom TLE II from one of the assassins he knocked out with a shovel.]]

===Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac===
Used by NLF terrorist leader Carlos Bagoyo ([[Patrick Gallagher]]) in "Nalowale".

[[Image:PANiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac stainless steel - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carlos Bagoyo aims the Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac at the head of the ex-ambassador.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol aim 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac. Note the 3-dot sights and shaved hammer.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==

The [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] is used by the Honolulu Police as their main sidearm. Also used by Chin Ho Kelly as his main sidearm. Ex-Navy SEAL Graham Wilson ([[Adam Beach]]) uses a S&W 5906 during a hostage situation aboard the USS Missouri in episode 1.7, "Ho'apono". Assassins disguised as HPD officers are armed with this, using the 5906 as part of their disguise in "E Malama". Reggie Williams ([[P. Diddy]]) uses two S&W 5906's akimbo in the climax of "Ho'opa'i". Steve uses this as his sidearm in "Haʻiʻole" due to his initial arrest as a suspect in murdering the governor in the end of Season 1 when HPD had possibly confiscated all of Five-0's weapons and equipment, forcing Steve to make do with whatever pistol he can get his hands on.

[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5906.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HPD policeman armed with 5906 in "Lanakila", aiming the 5906 at a supposed escaped inmate in the Halawa Corrections Facility.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 CHK pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin Ho Kelly aiming the 5906 behind a supposed suspect in "Malama Ka Aina".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 5906.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Graham aiming the 5906 at McGarrett in "Ho'apono".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Assassins disguised as HPD policemen break into a door.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol closeup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good closeup of Chin's 5906 prior to its slide being racked.]]
[[File:Steve and 5906.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steve with the 5906 after boarding the SS Searcher with Danny.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==

A [[Heckler & Koch USP]] is used by a National Liberation Front (Stand in for the New People's Army) terrorist in "Nalowale" (S01E05).

[[Image:USP9mm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 USP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NLF terrorist aiming USP at hostage in "Nalowale".]]

==Glock 17==

McGarrett takes a [[Glock 17]] from a dead security contractor in "Poi'pu" while protecting his house from attack. One of the armored car robbers has a Glock 17 in "Heihei". A kidnapper in "He Kane Hewa'ole" is armed with this. In "Oiaʻiʻo" (S1E24), McGarrett holds a Glock on the Governor in her office during the Season 1 finale. Wo Fat ([[Mark Dacascos]]) is also seen holding McGarret's Glock in the Season 1 finale.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17, 3rd Gen.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 pistol check.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett checking the Glock 17 from a rogue security contractor killed by Chin.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The armored car bank robber on the left has a Glock 17.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Glock a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The kidnapper's Glock 17 after it is kicked away. The rail is clearly seen underneath the barrel.]]
[[Image:H50 620.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Oiaʻiʻo" (S1E24), McGarrett holds a Glock in the governor's mansion.]]
[[Image:H50 621.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wo Fat ([[Mark Dacascos]]) is also seen holding the Glock.]]

==Glock 26==
A [[Glock 26]] is used by ex-CIA agent turned mercenary assassin Erica Raines in "Poi'pu" (S01E09).

[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 compact pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Glock compact pistol used by Erica Raines ([[Emmanuelle Vaugier]]) in "Poi'pu".]]

==Walther PPK==
In "Heihei" (S01E10), a [[Walther PPK]] is used by one of the armored car bank robbers to execute an Aeko Kula security guard after getting into a struggle.

[[Image:WaltherPPK.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - 9mm Kurz aka 9x17mm (.380 ACP)]]

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 compact pistol.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The PPK used to execute the Aeko Kula guard.]]

==Desert Eagle==
A [[Desert Eagle]] is used by an assassin in "E Makama" (S01E16).

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 DE.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Assassin firing the Desert Eagle at Chin and the witness.]]

=Revolvers=

==Unknown Revolver==

Used by Walton Dawkins ([[Balthazar Getty]]) in episode 1.4 "Lanakila" after escaping from the Halawa Corrections Facility. He also used a guard as a decoy with another unknown revolver.

[[Image:Hawaii Five0revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dawkins aiming the revolver at hostages in Waikolu Valley in Molokai.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 586==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 586]] is used by the guard disguised by the real Dawkins as a diversion in "Lanakila". A tour boat operator is armed with this before he was gunned down by masked pirates in ""Powa Maka Moana".

[[Image:S&W Mod586.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 586 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0revolver 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HSD SWAT operators inspecting the body of a supposed escapee.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 revolver deck.jpg|thumb|none|600px|586 on the deck next to a crewman's body.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 686==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] is used by Frank Salvo ([[James Russo]]) when threatening Sid in "Malama Ka Aina". In "Ke Kinohi", the Five-0 team uncovers the revolver on a yakuza gangster.

[[Image:S&WModel686.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 686 4" Barrel - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0revolver 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank Salvo ([[James Russo]]) holds the 686 in "Malama Ka Aina".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistols.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A S&W 686 revolver on the left with a 2 1/2 barrel next to a Beretta 92FS INOX pistol.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] is found by Danno in Junior's possession after the disastrous football game in "Malama Ka Aina". A Model 36 is confiscated from a yakuza gangster by Kono in "Ke Kinohi" (S01E13) during a raid.

[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith and Wesson Model 36 - .38 special - 5 shot. First pattern with flat latch cylinder release.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0snub revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno finds a revolver in Junior's possession in "Malama Ka Aina".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono taking the revolver from the yakuza gangster.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==FN P90-TR==

[[FN P90#P90TR|FN P90-TR]] submachine guns with suppressors and C-More sights are used by Roland Lowry's ([[Scott Cohen]]'s) kidnappers in Episode 1.2, "Ohana".

[[Image:FN P90 Triple Rail (TR).jpg|thumb|400px|none|FN P90TR - 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P90-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gunmen armed with suppressed FN P90-TRs fire upon Roland Lowry's body guards.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P90-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the kidnappers advances with his P90-TR at the ready.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5SD3==

[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5SD|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3]] submachine guns with Navy trigger groups are used by some of men who kidnap Roland Lowry (Scott Cohen) in "Ohana" (S01E02).

[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 - 9x19mm - with S-E-F trigger group and Stock Extended.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-MP5SD-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the kidnappers is hit while holding an H&K MP5SD3 in "Ohana" (S01E02).]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==

McGarrett uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] submachine gun with tri-rails in S01E08, "Mana'o".

[[Image:Hk-mp5n.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with navy trigger group - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett with the tri-rail MP5A3. It had a foregrip equipped on the main picatinny railing.]]
[[Image:H50-MP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett aims a MP5A3 with tri-rails and clipped magazines in episode 1.8.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==

Danno uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] during a shootout with members of the Ochoa cartel in "Mana'o".

[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP5K-PDW 9x19mm with extended barrel (with 3 lugs & folding stock]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno equipped with the MP5K-PDW.]]

==IMI Uzi==

McGarrett shows a surviving crew woman in "Powa Maka Moana" the picture of an [[Uzi]] to help them identify what small arms the suspected pirates were using. A Wo Fat goon has an Uzi or Mini-Uzi in the Season 2 premiere "Haʻiʻole".

[[Image:Uzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with collapsible buttstock extended - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Uzi photo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The photo of an Uzi in McGarrett's iPhone.]]
[[File:HFO Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wo Fat goon aiming the Uzi at Danny after boarding the SS Searcher.]]

==MP40==

The photo of a [[MP40]] is shown by McGarrett in "Powa Maka Moana" to see if she can recall what weapons the pirates were using.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 MP40 photo.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Photo of a MP40 in McGarrett's Iphone.]]

==Intratec TEC-DC9==

One of Wo Fat's henchmen fires a [[Intratec TEC-DC9]] during the raid on the SS Searcher in "Haʻiʻole".

[[image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:HFO SMG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Wo Fat henchman after being shot by Danny when he boarded the SS Searcher.]]

=Shotguns=

==Serbu Super Shorty==

Chin Ho Kelly uses the [[Serbu Super Shorty]], seen in "Malama Ka Aina" and "Nalowale", the former also as a melee weapon. Seen briefly in "Kai e'e".

[[Image:Shotgun US Serbu Super-Shorty, a modified Mossberg Maverick.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Serbu Super Shorty.]]

[[Image:Hawaii Five0Serbushotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin infiltrating the deserted portion of the Honolulu harbor with the Super Shorty.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin holding the Serbu Super Shorty as he investigates a corpse.]]

==Remington 870==

Chin uses the Remington 870 with ghost sights as his primary weapon in "Pilot" and later in "Ohana" when he rescues Kono and the kidnapped victims from Serbian criminals with McGarrett and Danny. He also uses it in "Lanakila" and "Po'ipu".

[[Image:Custom870wMossbergGhostRing.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Remington 870 with ghost ring sights.]]
[[Image:H50-R870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin fires the Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of the Remington 870's stock. SpeedFeed shotshell carrier shown.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Remington 870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin with the 870 in "Poi'pu", seen with the hollow section for a shotgun shell (SpeedFeed).]]

Danno ports a regular 870 taken from Chin in "Ke Kinohi" when he and Kono pats down cornered yakuza gangsters. It's also seen again in "E Makama" and in "Haʻiʻole".

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Danno shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno with a regular 870. This one has a taclight attached to the pumping mechanism.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Chin.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the 870 being handled by Chin Ho.]]
[[File:Chin Ho and motorboat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin Ho handling the 870 with one hand while using his other hand to steer the motorboat.]]

=Assault Rifles=

== M4A1 Carbine ==

In the pilot episode, the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] is used by the U.S Army troops that accompany McGarrett while transporting a prisoner in Pohang, South Korea. In "Lanakila", the Hawaii Sheriff Division's SWAT unit was armed with M4A1s when they were deployed to the Halawa Corrections Facility to stop a supposed inmate breakout. Honolulu Police SWAT operators use the M4A1 as their main assault rifle in the series. Rogue security contractors use it in "Poi'pu", although with a tactical foregrip attached only. Seen in the hands of Hawaii National Guard soldiers in "Kai e'e".

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope]]
[[Image:H50E1 153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Army soldier in the ambushed convoy uses the M4.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-M4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with an M4 flees for cover.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HSD SWAT operator with M4A1, outfitted with EOTech sight and tactical flashlight.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 M4A1 SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HPD SWAT operator, his M4A1 outfitted with tactical flashlight.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 M4A1s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HPD SWAT operators in "Poi'pu".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 M4 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rogue security contractor with M4A1. It has a picatinny railing on the upper receiver and on the foreend for the tactical flashlight foregrip to be attached.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 assault rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A HPD SWAT officer cordoning the outskirts of Five 0 Headquarters in Honolulu.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 ng.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hawaiian National Guard soldiers with M4A1s. One of them does not have an EOTech sight while the M4A1s behind him do.]]

== Micro Galil ==

In the pilot episode, a [[Galil#Micro Galil|Micro Galil]] is used by Snakehead human trafficker Sang Min ([[Will Yun Lee]]) when he gets into a shootout with McGarrett and Williams.

[[Image:Galil_m.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Micro Galil - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:H50 14.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sang Min ([[Will Yun Lee]]) reaches for his Micro Galil.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
In the pilot episode, the mercenaries who ambush McGarrett's convoy are armed with [[Heckler & Koch G36C]] rifles. One is also used by a suspect that gets into a standoff with McGarrett.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-G36C-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of an H&K G36C being fired (note that this shot is obviously reversed; the brass is ejecting from the left-side of the weapon.]]
[[Image:H50E1 104.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A mercenary holds an H&K G36C on McGarrett when he has Anton Hesse hostage.]]
[[Image:H50 19.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A suspect opens fire with the G36C in the pilot.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK416==

In the pilot episode, McGarrett is shown using a [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] while escorting the prisoner convoy in South Korea. Kono, Detective Kaleo ([[Jason Scott Lee]]) and Sergeant Cage ([[Jon Seda]]) all use HK416s during the gunfight with Ochoa cartel drug traffickers in episode 1.8, "Mana'o".

[[Image:Hk416 10 inch left.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK416 in D10RS sub-variant with EOTech 552 Holographic sight, Forward handgrip, and AN/PEQ-2, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:H50E1 101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett stands on the roof of a MRAP firing his HK416 at the helicopter.]]
[[Image:H50-HK416-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono fires a HK416 at the drug traffickers in episode 1.8 "Mana'o".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 HK416.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Kaleo watches the exchange in "Mana'o" with the HK416 at the ready.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 McGarrett.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett armed with a HK416 D10RS variant after seeing one of the kidnappers get away.]]

==FN SCAR-L==

Several of the Army MP's in McGarrett's convoy are armed with the [[FN SCAR-L]], battling against mercenaries deployed in Pohang.

[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|400px|none|Third-Generation FN SCAR-L, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-SCAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Army MP fires from behind cover with his FN SCAR-L.]]
[[Image:H50E1 156.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP takes cover with his SCAR-L in hand.]]

==AK-47==

In "Powa Maka Moana" (S01E17) the crew woman identifies the AK-47 in McGarrett's Iphone as the main small arm she saw in the hands of kidnappers.

[[Image:AK-47.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Type I AK-47, hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 AK47 photo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The photo of an AK-47 in McGarrett's Iphone.]]

==AKM==

[[AKM|AKMs]] were used by the kidnappers in "Powa Maka Moana".

[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 AKM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An armed pirate kidnapper with the AKM.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 AKM a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the kidnapper porting the AKM.]]

==AKMSU==

[[AKMSU]] carbines are used by human traffickers during the shootout at the pier in the pilot episode. Danno also uses an AKMSU for part of the gunfight. Victor Hesse ([[James Marsters]]) also grabs an AKMSU dropped by one of his henchmen and uses it to shoot at McGarrett. Ochoa cartel gunmen in episode 1.8, "Mana'o", are armed with AKMSUs.

[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKMSU Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. This is a blank adapted full auto transferable AKM (7.62x39mm) pistol that was converted into a Krinkov via parts kit.]]
[[Image:H50E1 108.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno checks the AKMSU before using it.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-AKMSU-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of an AKMSU before Victor Hesse picks it up. This image was (for some reason) reversed in the aired episode, but has been re-reversed for the sake of this page.]]
[[Image:H50-AKMSU-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunman fires his AKMSU in episode 1.8.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 rifles.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Ochoa gunmen has an AKMSU with rails on the foreend.]]

==FN F2000==

A couple of [[FN F2000]] assault rifles are at a weapons locker behind McGarrett and Danno in the Five 0 headquarters in Honolulu from the episode "Nanowale".

[[Image:F2000.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0weaponlocker.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN F2000s in a weapon locker behind McGarrett and Danno.]]

==Imbel M964 A1==

A photo of the [[FN FAL#Imbel M964 A1 ParaFAL|Imbel M964 A1]] is shown on McGarrett's Iphone in "Powa Maka Moana".

[[File:7.62 M964 A1 PARAFAL.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Imbel M964 A1 ParaFAL - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 M964.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Photo of a M964 rifle in McGarrett's Iphone.]]

=Rifles=

==M1 Garand==

The Honolulu Police Department's honor guard team uses [[M1 Garand|M1 Garands]] during John McGarrett's funeral in the pilot episode.

[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0M1.jpg|600px|none|thumb|HPD honor guard aiming M1 Garands in the air.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0honor guard.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HPD honor guards (left) porting M1 Garands.]]

==SKS==

Cultists in "Ua Lawe Wale" (S02E02) fire [[SKS]] rifles at the Five-0 team.

[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian Simonov Type 45 aka the Russian SKS rifle - 7.62x39mm. The Russian SKS has a milled receiver and a blade bayonet. The rifles were issued with hardwood or laminated stocks. This example has a hardwood stock.]]

==Ruger Mini-14==

One of the cultists in "Ua Law Wale" briefly holds Lori Weston ([[Lauren German]]) at gunpoint with a [[Ruger Mini-14]].

[[Image:Ruger Mini-14 black.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Black Ruger Mini-14 with 20-round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==Accuracy International AW==

An [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#Accuracy International Arctic Warfare|Accuracy International AW]] is used by the Hawaii Sheriff Division's SWAT team to take down a supposed escaped inmate in "Lanakila" (S01E04). It's also used as a murder weapon in "Ko'olauloa" (S01E06).

[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accuracy International AW 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0sniperrifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HSD SWAT operator aiming the sniper rifle at the supposed escapee.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 AI sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danny finding the AW in "Ko'olauloa".]]

==Blaser R93 LRS2==

A [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle|Blaser R93 LRS2]] is used by Kono in "Hana 'a'a Makehewa" (S01E12) to wound Victor Hesse during his fight with McGarrett.

[[Image:BlaserR93WithHarrisBipod.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum. This rifle has a Harris Bipod mounted.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 R93.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono porting the R93 before hiding from sight.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 R93 a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of Kono porting the R93 in her arms.]]

=Heavy Weapons=

==FN MAG (M240)==

The [[FN MAG]] mocked up as an M240 is used by an Army escort that engages the hostile gunship in the pilot episode. A photo of the M240's seen in "Powa Maka Moana".

[[Image:Fn mag g.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240G 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:H50E1 151.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[FN MAG]] mocked up as an M240 is used by an Army escort that engages the hostile gunship.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 M240 photo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett shows the crew woman a photo of the M240 GPMG.]]

=Grenades=

==M67 Hand Grenade==
In "Powa Maka Moani" (Ep.1.17), McGarrett uses an [[M67 Hand Grenade]] to breach the metal door leading to the back of Lono's pawn shop.
[[File:M67.jpg|thumb|none|200px]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 grenade set up.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Powa Maka Moani" (Ep.1.17), McGarrett prepares the M67.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 grenade set up breach.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett leaves the M67 with plastic wire hanging by the door.]]

==Molotov Cocktail==
Prepared by McGarrett and Kono to temporarily blind the NVG goggles used by rogue security contractors in "Poi'pu".

[[Image:Hawaii Five0 molotovs.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Molotovs with the rags lit up by McGarrett.]]

=Others=

==Defense Technologies 37mm Gas Gun==
A Hawaii Sheriff Division SWAT operator aims the weapon at a supposed escapee in "Lanakila" from the Halawa Corrections Facility, having an EOTech sight.

[[Image:DefTech1315.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Defense Technologies 37mm Gas Gun.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0DefTech.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A HSD SWAT operator aims the gas gun at a supposed prisoner escapee.]]

==Norinco Type 69==
Found by the Five-0 team during a raid in "Poi'pu".

[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Norinco Type 69.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Type 69.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Type 69 found in an arms cache.]]

==Taser X12==
In "Powa Maka Moani", Steve and Chin Ho carry Taser X12s. These are built by Taser from a Mossberg 500.

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Taser X12 McGarrett.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett armed with a X12 during a Five-0-led raid.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Taser X12s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett and Chin Ho armed with Taser X12s. You can see the X12 logo on McGarrett's X12.]]

==Arms Cache==
A massive arms cache was found in "Poi'pu".

[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Arms Cache.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Arms Cache found by Chin. A [[Blaser R93]] is seen in front of two [[HK416]]s at the back of the table. Also in the shot is an [[AKMSU]], two [[M72 LAW]]s and a suppressed [[Beretta 92FS]]s. The other suppressed pistol appears to be a non-gun based on the SIG-Sauer P220 or a variant thereof, though why they'd bother silencing a non-gun for a background shot is beyond me.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Arms Cache a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another picture of other arms in the Arms Cache as found by Chin. In this shot we can see four [[HK416]]s with and without foregrips and EOTech holographic sights, three [[FN F2000]] Tacticals, another suppressed Beretta and another Norinco Type 69. The revolver to the far right appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] with a 2 1/2-inch barrel, and the one on the left looks a lot like a stainless steel [[Colt Python]] with a 4-inch barrel.]]

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Hawaii Five-0 (2010)

2011-09-28T01:54:43Z

Peejn8r: /* Glock 17 */

[[Image:H5OSeason1.jpg|300px|right|thumb|''Hawaii Five-0'' (2010-present)]]

''Hawaii Five-O'' is the 2010 television update of the [[Hawaii Five-O (1968)|classic CBS television series]]. In this version of the series, Steve McGarrett ([[Alex O'Loughlin]]) is a former Navy SEAL recruited by the governor of Hawaii to head up a new crime task force in the state known as Five-O. The rest of the cast includes [[Scott Caan]] as Danny "Danno" Williams, [[Daniel Dae Kim]] as Chin Ho Kelly, and [[Grace Park]] as Kono Kalakaua.

'''The following weapons were used in the series ''Hawaii Five-O'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Pistols=

== SIG-Sauer P226 ==
Cmdr. Steve McGarrett ([[Alex O'Loughlin]]) carries a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] as his sidearm (most likely due to his background as a Navy SEAL, which issues the P226) for the first four episodes of the show. In "Haʻiʻole", a terrorist suspect named Kurt Hauff has a two-tone Sig Sauer P226.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:H50 20.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Steve McGarrett ([[Alex O'Loughlin]]) draws a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] on a suspect in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-P226-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McGarrett does a brass check on his P226 (against the dashboard of a police cruiser) in the Pilot episode.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-P226-7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In the climax of the Pilot episode, McGarrett retrieves his P226 to use against Victor Hesse ([[James Marsters]]).]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P226-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In Episode 1.2, "Ohana", McGarrett chambers his P226 in front of a startled family in a hotel elevator.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett holds his P226 on a suspect in Episode 1.2, "Ohana".]]
[[File:HF0 Sig pistol.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Haʻiʻole" (ep. 2.1), Kurt firing the P226 at Kono after seeing her trying to sneak up on him on the car window.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 E2==
In "Nalowale" (S01E15), McGarrett switches over to the new [[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226 E2]]. Beginning in "Palekaiko" he carries it with a SIG-Sauer STL-900L Tactical Light/Laser mounted on the frame. The laser can be seen at the beginning of "Ke Kinohi".

[[Image:Sig Sauer P226 E2 08.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 E2 in 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0SigPistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett holding his new P226 E2 in Episode 1.5, "Nalowale". Note the "E2" in white on the tip of the slide (compare to the picture above).]]
[[Image:HFO taclight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett with the P226 E2 equipped with a pistol taclight, hunting down a murder suspect on a cruise ship in "Palekaiko".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol taclight.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McGarrett examining a yakuza gangster's mouth in "Ke Kinohi" with the taclight.]]

==Heckler & Koch P30==
In "Ke Kinohi" (S01E13), Danny 'Danno' Williams ([[Scott Caan]]) switches his sidearm from his [[SIG Pro]] to a [[Heckler & Koch P30]]. Also, as a result of a continuity error, the [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|Heckler & Koch USP Compact]] used by Drago Zankovic ([[Peter Stormare]]) in "Ohana" (Ep.1.2) becomes a newer [[Heckler & Koch P30]] in a single close-up. It later goes back to a USP Compact when he's holding the gun in Kono's car.

[[Image:HK-P30.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch P30 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Danno.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno with the P30 while making an arrest in "Kai e'e" (Ep.1.13).]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 house sweep.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Danno investigating the estate in "E Malama" (Ep.1.16) with the P30 drawn.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P30-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In a continuity error, Drago Zankovic now holds an H&K P30 instead of a USP compact on Evan Lowry when he's trying to get Kono to stop fighting with Nadia.]]
[[File:P30 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of Danno's P30 in the SS Searcher in "Haʻiʻole".]]

== SIG Pro SP2009 ==

The [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP2009]] is the main sidearm carried by Detective Danny "Danno" Williams ([[Scott Caan]]) up until he switches to a [[Heckler & Koch P30]] in 'Ke Kinohi'. Another is seen in the hands of a Yakuza gangster.

[[Image:Gsg9-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG Pro SP2009 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:H50 10.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP2009]] is drawn by Danny "Danno" Williams ([[Scott Caan]]) in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-SP2009-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Danno shoots a henchman with his SP2009 in the Pilot.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-SP2009-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close-up of an SP2009 in Episode 1.2, "Ohana". In a continuity error, Danno's SP2009 replaces McGarrett's P226 when McGarrett is using his weapon to press an elevator button (wider shots show McGarrett pushing the button with his P226).]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-SP2009-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Danno is armed with the SIG Pro as he and McGarrett clear a hallway.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol gripped.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SIG Pro in the hands of a yakuza gangster after being gunned down by McGarrett.]]

==Kel Tec PF-9==
Kono ([[Grace Park]]) was given a [[Kel-Tec PF-9]] by McGarrett at her informal academy graduation in Episode 2, "Ohana". She first uses it in Episode 8, "Mana'o".

[[Image:Kel-tec pf9-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kel-Tec PF-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii.Five.0-Kono-Kel.Tec.PF-9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono's new Kel-Tec PF-9.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 PF-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono taking aim with the PF-9 at an armed gunman in "Mana'o".]]

==Jericho 941 "Baby Eagle"==
Victor Hesse ([[James Marsters]]) holds a [[Jericho 941]] on McGarrett's father John ([[William Sadler]]) in the pilot episode.
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Stainless IMI Jericho 941 9x19mm. The gun pictured here is the screen used pistol from the movie ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''.]]
[[Image:H50 01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A [[Jericho 941]] is held on McGarrett's father John ([[William Sadler]]) in the pilot episode. ]]

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is used by Anton Hess ([[Norman Reedus]]) during the opening ambush and later by Kona "Kono" Kalakaua ([[Grace Park]]) in the pilot episode. A 14K Triad assassin uses one in "Malama Ka Aina". A kidnapper in "Pono Maka Moana" uses one with an extended pistol magazine.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:H50E1 106.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The [[Beretta 92FS]] is used by Anton Hess ([[Norman Reedus]]) during the opening ambush, taken from a dead soldier's holster before being gunned down.]]
[[Image:H50E1 118.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kona "Kono" Kalakaua ([[Grace Park]]) picks up a thug's Beretta.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 pistol fire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|14K Triad assassin aiming pistol at Mano Sapulu in "Malama Ka Aina". ]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 pistol grip.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of pistol grip used in the previous photo.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kidnapper's pistol with extended magazine.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
A [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] is used by a 14K Triad assassin in "Malama Ka Aina"(S01E03). When Carlos Bagoyo dropped his Nite-Tac pistol in "Nalowale", it changes to an Inox. It's also seen in "Ke Kinohi".

[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pistol with pearl grip used by 14k Traid assassin in Kukui High in "Malama Ka Aina".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 INOX.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The said Inox pistol on the ground, replacing the Nite-Tac pistol. This also has pearl grips.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistols.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A S&W 686 revolver on the left with a 2 1/2 barrel next to a Beretta 92FS INOX pistol.]]

==SIG-Sauer P232==

A blued [[SIG-Sauer P230#P232|SIG-Sauer P232]] is used by Nadia Lukovic ([[Ivana Milicevic]]) in Episode 1.2, "Ohana".

[[Image:SIGP232.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P232 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P230-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nadia Lukovic holds a SIG P232 on Kono.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP Compact==

A [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|Heckler & Koch USP Compact]] is used by Drago Zankovic ([[Peter Stormare]]) in Episode 1.2, "Ohana". Due to a continuity error, the weapon becomes a [[Heckler & Koch P30]] when he's shown holding it to head of Evan Lowry (Colin Ford) in a close-up.

[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch USP Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-USPC-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Drago Zankovic holds Evan Lowry hostage with an H&K USP Compact in Episode 1.2, "Ohana".]]

== Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith" ==

Kono is armed with a late model (MIM hammer and trigger) [[Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]] as her main sidearm, first seen in episode 5 "Nalowale". The standard light-colored Ladysmith grips have been replaced with black, factory grips from the 3913/3914 which are interchangeable with the Ladysmith.

[[Image:S&W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 3913 LS "Ladysmith" -9mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Ladysmith.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono armed with the 3913 when she and Chin infiltrate a deserted portion of the Honolulu harbor.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 pistol fire 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono firing the 3913 against rogue security contractors hired to assassinate a dissident military officer in "Poi'pu".]]

==M1911A1==

===Kimber Custom TLE II===

Russel Ellison ([[Wood Harris]]) is armed with the [[Kimber Custom TLE II]] in "Nalowale", which somehow identified him as more than usual security for an American ambassador. Likely the same Kimber is used several other episodes as well.

[[Image:KimberCustomTLEII OtherSide.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0holsteredpistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ellison's holstered TLE II in his waist holster.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A custom M1911A1 is seen near the corpse of Emilio Ochoa in "Mana'o".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol ready.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An armed kidnapper in "Kai e'e" readies his Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 silenced 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the two assassins uses a suppressed Kimber Custom TLE II after his HPD cover is blown in "E Makama".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Chin Ho 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin fires the suppressed Kimber Custom TLE II from one of the assassins he knocked out with a shovel.]]

===Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac===
Used by NLF terrorist leader Carlos Bagoyo ([[Patrick Gallagher]]) in "Nalowale".

[[Image:PANiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac stainless steel - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carlos Bagoyo aims the Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac at the head of the ex-ambassador.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol aim 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac. Note the 3-dot sights and shaved hammer.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==

The [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] is used by the Honolulu Police as their main sidearm. Also used by Chin Ho Kelly as his main sidearm. Ex-Navy SEAL Graham Wilson ([[Adam Beach]]) uses a S&W 5906 during a hostage situation aboard the USS Missouri in episode 1.7, "Ho'apono". Assassins disguised as HPD officers are armed with this, using the 5906 as part of their disguise in "E Malama". Reggie Williams ([[P. Diddy]]) uses two S&W 5906's akimbo in the climax of "Ho'opa'i". Steve uses this as his sidearm in "Haʻiʻole" due to his initial arrest as a suspect in murdering the governor in the end of Season 1 when HPD had possibly confiscated all of Five-0's weapons and equipment, forcing Steve to make do with whatever pistol he can get his hands on.

[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5906.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HPD policeman armed with 5906 in "Lanakila", aiming the 5906 at a supposed escaped inmate in the Halawa Corrections Facility.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 CHK pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin Ho Kelly aiming the 5906 behind a supposed suspect in "Malama Ka Aina".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 5906.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Graham aiming the 5906 at McGarrett in "Ho'apono".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Assassins disguised as HPD policemen break into a door.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistol closeup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good closeup of Chin's 5906 prior to its slide being racked.]]
[[File:Steve and 5906.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steve with the 5906 after boarding the SS Searcher with Danny.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==

A [[Heckler & Koch USP]] is used by a National Liberation Front (Stand in for the New People's Army) terrorist in "Nalowale" (S01E05).

[[Image:USP9mm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 USP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NLF terrorist aiming USP at hostage in "Nalowale".]]

==Glock 17==

McGarrett takes a [[Glock 17]] from a dead security contractor in "Poi'pu" while protecting his house from attack. One of the armored car robbers has a Glock 17 in "Heihei". A kidnapper in "He Kane Hewa'ole" is armed with this. In "Oiaʻiʻo" (S1E24), McGarrett holds a Glock on the Governor in her office during the Season 1 finale. Wo Fat ([[Mark Dacascos]]) is also seen holding McGarret's Glock in the Season finale.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17, 3rd Gen.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 pistol check.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett checking the Glock 17 from a rogue security contractor killed by Chin.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The armored car bank robber on the left has a Glock 17.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Glock a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The kidnapper's Glock 17 after it is kicked away. The rail is clearly seen underneath the barrel.]]
[[Image:H50 620.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Oiaʻiʻo" (S1E24), McGarrett holds a Glock in the governor's mansion.]]
[[Image:H50 621.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wo Fat ([[Mark Dacascos]]) is also seen holding the Glock.]]

==Glock 26==
A [[Glock 26]] is used by ex-CIA agent turned mercenary assassin Erica Raines in "Poi'pu" (S01E09).

[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 compact pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Glock compact pistol used by Erica Raines ([[Emmanuelle Vaugier]]) in "Poi'pu".]]

==Walther PPK==
In "Heihei" (S01E10), a [[Walther PPK]] is used by one of the armored car bank robbers to execute an Aeko Kula security guard after getting into a struggle.

[[Image:WaltherPPK.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - 9mm Kurz aka 9x17mm (.380 ACP)]]

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 compact pistol.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The PPK used to execute the Aeko Kula guard.]]

==Desert Eagle==
A [[Desert Eagle]] is used by an assassin in "E Makama" (S01E16).

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 DE.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Assassin firing the Desert Eagle at Chin and the witness.]]

=Revolvers=

==Unknown Revolver==

Used by Walton Dawkins ([[Balthazar Getty]]) in episode 1.4 "Lanakila" after escaping from the Halawa Corrections Facility. He also used a guard as a decoy with another unknown revolver.

[[Image:Hawaii Five0revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dawkins aiming the revolver at hostages in Waikolu Valley in Molokai.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 586==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 586]] is used by the guard disguised by the real Dawkins as a diversion in "Lanakila". A tour boat operator is armed with this before he was gunned down by masked pirates in ""Powa Maka Moana".

[[Image:S&W Mod586.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 586 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0revolver 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HSD SWAT operators inspecting the body of a supposed escapee.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 revolver deck.jpg|thumb|none|600px|586 on the deck next to a crewman's body.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 686==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] is used by Frank Salvo ([[James Russo]]) when threatening Sid in "Malama Ka Aina". In "Ke Kinohi", the Five-0 team uncovers the revolver on a yakuza gangster.

[[Image:S&WModel686.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 686 4" Barrel - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0revolver 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank Salvo ([[James Russo]]) holds the 686 in "Malama Ka Aina".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 pistols.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A S&W 686 revolver on the left with a 2 1/2 barrel next to a Beretta 92FS INOX pistol.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] is found by Danno in Junior's possession after the disastrous football game in "Malama Ka Aina". A Model 36 is confiscated from a yakuza gangster by Kono in "Ke Kinohi" (S01E13) during a raid.

[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith and Wesson Model 36 - .38 special - 5 shot. First pattern with flat latch cylinder release.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0snub revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno finds a revolver in Junior's possession in "Malama Ka Aina".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono taking the revolver from the yakuza gangster.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==FN P90-TR==

[[FN P90#P90TR|FN P90-TR]] submachine guns with suppressors and C-More sights are used by Roland Lowry's ([[Scott Cohen]]'s) kidnappers in Episode 1.2, "Ohana".

[[Image:FN P90 Triple Rail (TR).jpg|thumb|400px|none|FN P90TR - 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P90-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gunmen armed with suppressed FN P90-TRs fire upon Roland Lowry's body guards.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-P90-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the kidnappers advances with his P90-TR at the ready.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5SD3==

[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5SD|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3]] submachine guns with Navy trigger groups are used by some of men who kidnap Roland Lowry (Scott Cohen) in "Ohana" (S01E02).

[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 - 9x19mm - with S-E-F trigger group and Stock Extended.]]
[[Image:H50-1.2-MP5SD-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the kidnappers is hit while holding an H&K MP5SD3 in "Ohana" (S01E02).]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==

McGarrett uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] submachine gun with tri-rails in S01E08, "Mana'o".

[[Image:Hk-mp5n.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with navy trigger group - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett with the tri-rail MP5A3. It had a foregrip equipped on the main picatinny railing.]]
[[Image:H50-MP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett aims a MP5A3 with tri-rails and clipped magazines in episode 1.8.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==

Danno uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] during a shootout with members of the Ochoa cartel in "Mana'o".

[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP5K-PDW 9x19mm with extended barrel (with 3 lugs & folding stock]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno equipped with the MP5K-PDW.]]

==IMI Uzi==

McGarrett shows a surviving crew woman in "Powa Maka Moana" the picture of an [[Uzi]] to help them identify what small arms the suspected pirates were using. A Wo Fat goon has an Uzi or Mini-Uzi in the Season 2 premiere "Haʻiʻole".

[[Image:Uzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with collapsible buttstock extended - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Uzi photo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The photo of an Uzi in McGarrett's iPhone.]]
[[File:HFO Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wo Fat goon aiming the Uzi at Danny after boarding the SS Searcher.]]

==MP40==

The photo of a [[MP40]] is shown by McGarrett in "Powa Maka Moana" to see if she can recall what weapons the pirates were using.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 MP40 photo.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Photo of a MP40 in McGarrett's Iphone.]]

==Intratec TEC-DC9==

One of Wo Fat's henchmen fires a [[Intratec TEC-DC9]] during the raid on the SS Searcher in "Haʻiʻole".

[[image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:HFO SMG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Wo Fat henchman after being shot by Danny when he boarded the SS Searcher.]]

=Shotguns=

==Serbu Super Shorty==

Chin Ho Kelly uses the [[Serbu Super Shorty]], seen in "Malama Ka Aina" and "Nalowale", the former also as a melee weapon. Seen briefly in "Kai e'e".

[[Image:Shotgun US Serbu Super-Shorty, a modified Mossberg Maverick.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Serbu Super Shorty.]]

[[Image:Hawaii Five0Serbushotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin infiltrating the deserted portion of the Honolulu harbor with the Super Shorty.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin holding the Serbu Super Shorty as he investigates a corpse.]]

==Remington 870==

Chin uses the Remington 870 with ghost sights as his primary weapon in "Pilot" and later in "Ohana" when he rescues Kono and the kidnapped victims from Serbian criminals with McGarrett and Danny. He also uses it in "Lanakila" and "Po'ipu".

[[Image:Custom870wMossbergGhostRing.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Remington 870 with ghost ring sights.]]
[[Image:H50-R870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin fires the Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of the Remington 870's stock. SpeedFeed shotshell carrier shown.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Remington 870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin with the 870 in "Poi'pu", seen with the hollow section for a shotgun shell (SpeedFeed).]]

Danno ports a regular 870 taken from Chin in "Ke Kinohi" when he and Kono pats down cornered yakuza gangsters. It's also seen again in "E Makama" and in "Haʻiʻole".

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Danno shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno with a regular 870. This one has a taclight attached to the pumping mechanism.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Chin.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the 870 being handled by Chin Ho.]]
[[File:Chin Ho and motorboat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chin Ho handling the 870 with one hand while using his other hand to steer the motorboat.]]

=Assault Rifles=

== M4A1 Carbine ==

In the pilot episode, the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] is used by the U.S Army troops that accompany McGarrett while transporting a prisoner in Pohang, South Korea. In "Lanakila", the Hawaii Sheriff Division's SWAT unit was armed with M4A1s when they were deployed to the Halawa Corrections Facility to stop a supposed inmate breakout. Honolulu Police SWAT operators use the M4A1 as their main assault rifle in the series. Rogue security contractors use it in "Poi'pu", although with a tactical foregrip attached only. Seen in the hands of Hawaii National Guard soldiers in "Kai e'e".

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope]]
[[Image:H50E1 153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Army soldier in the ambushed convoy uses the M4.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-M4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with an M4 flees for cover.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HSD SWAT operator with M4A1, outfitted with EOTech sight and tactical flashlight.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 M4A1 SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HPD SWAT operator, his M4A1 outfitted with tactical flashlight.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 M4A1s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HPD SWAT operators in "Poi'pu".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 M4 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rogue security contractor with M4A1. It has a picatinny railing on the upper receiver and on the foreend for the tactical flashlight foregrip to be attached.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 assault rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A HPD SWAT officer cordoning the outskirts of Five 0 Headquarters in Honolulu.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 ng.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hawaiian National Guard soldiers with M4A1s. One of them does not have an EOTech sight while the M4A1s behind him do.]]

== Micro Galil ==

In the pilot episode, a [[Galil#Micro Galil|Micro Galil]] is used by Snakehead human trafficker Sang Min ([[Will Yun Lee]]) when he gets into a shootout with McGarrett and Williams.

[[Image:Galil_m.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Micro Galil - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:H50 14.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sang Min ([[Will Yun Lee]]) reaches for his Micro Galil.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
In the pilot episode, the mercenaries who ambush McGarrett's convoy are armed with [[Heckler & Koch G36C]] rifles. One is also used by a suspect that gets into a standoff with McGarrett.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-G36C-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of an H&K G36C being fired (note that this shot is obviously reversed; the brass is ejecting from the left-side of the weapon.]]
[[Image:H50E1 104.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A mercenary holds an H&K G36C on McGarrett when he has Anton Hesse hostage.]]
[[Image:H50 19.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A suspect opens fire with the G36C in the pilot.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK416==

In the pilot episode, McGarrett is shown using a [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] while escorting the prisoner convoy in South Korea. Kono, Detective Kaleo ([[Jason Scott Lee]]) and Sergeant Cage ([[Jon Seda]]) all use HK416s during the gunfight with Ochoa cartel drug traffickers in episode 1.8, "Mana'o".

[[Image:Hk416 10 inch left.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK416 in D10RS sub-variant with EOTech 552 Holographic sight, Forward handgrip, and AN/PEQ-2, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:H50E1 101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett stands on the roof of a MRAP firing his HK416 at the helicopter.]]
[[Image:H50-HK416-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono fires a HK416 at the drug traffickers in episode 1.8 "Mana'o".]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 HK416.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Kaleo watches the exchange in "Mana'o" with the HK416 at the ready.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 McGarrett.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett armed with a HK416 D10RS variant after seeing one of the kidnappers get away.]]

==FN SCAR-L==

Several of the Army MP's in McGarrett's convoy are armed with the [[FN SCAR-L]], battling against mercenaries deployed in Pohang.

[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|400px|none|Third-Generation FN SCAR-L, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-SCAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Army MP fires from behind cover with his FN SCAR-L.]]
[[Image:H50E1 156.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP takes cover with his SCAR-L in hand.]]

==AK-47==

In "Powa Maka Moana" (S01E17) the crew woman identifies the AK-47 in McGarrett's Iphone as the main small arm she saw in the hands of kidnappers.

[[Image:AK-47.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Type I AK-47, hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 AK47 photo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The photo of an AK-47 in McGarrett's Iphone.]]

==AKM==

[[AKM|AKMs]] were used by the kidnappers in "Powa Maka Moana".

[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 AKM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An armed pirate kidnapper with the AKM.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 AKM a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the kidnapper porting the AKM.]]

==AKMSU==

[[AKMSU]] carbines are used by human traffickers during the shootout at the pier in the pilot episode. Danno also uses an AKMSU for part of the gunfight. Victor Hesse ([[James Marsters]]) also grabs an AKMSU dropped by one of his henchmen and uses it to shoot at McGarrett. Ochoa cartel gunmen in episode 1.8, "Mana'o", are armed with AKMSUs.

[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKMSU Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. This is a blank adapted full auto transferable AKM (7.62x39mm) pistol that was converted into a Krinkov via parts kit.]]
[[Image:H50E1 108.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danno checks the AKMSU before using it.]]
[[Image:H50-1.1-AKMSU-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of an AKMSU before Victor Hesse picks it up. This image was (for some reason) reversed in the aired episode, but has been re-reversed for the sake of this page.]]
[[Image:H50-AKMSU-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunman fires his AKMSU in episode 1.8.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 rifles.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Ochoa gunmen has an AKMSU with rails on the foreend.]]

==FN F2000==

A couple of [[FN F2000]] assault rifles are at a weapons locker behind McGarrett and Danno in the Five 0 headquarters in Honolulu from the episode "Nanowale".

[[Image:F2000.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0weaponlocker.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN F2000s in a weapon locker behind McGarrett and Danno.]]

==Imbel M964 A1==

A photo of the [[FN FAL#Imbel M964 A1 ParaFAL|Imbel M964 A1]] is shown on McGarrett's Iphone in "Powa Maka Moana".

[[File:7.62 M964 A1 PARAFAL.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Imbel M964 A1 ParaFAL - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 M964.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Photo of a M964 rifle in McGarrett's Iphone.]]

=Rifles=

==M1 Garand==

The Honolulu Police Department's honor guard team uses [[M1 Garand|M1 Garands]] during John McGarrett's funeral in the pilot episode.

[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0M1.jpg|600px|none|thumb|HPD honor guard aiming M1 Garands in the air.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0honor guard.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HPD honor guards (left) porting M1 Garands.]]

==SKS==

Cultists in "Ua Lawe Wale" (S02E02) fire [[SKS]] rifles at the Five-0 team.

[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian Simonov Type 45 aka the Russian SKS rifle - 7.62x39mm. The Russian SKS has a milled receiver and a blade bayonet. The rifles were issued with hardwood or laminated stocks. This example has a hardwood stock.]]

==Ruger Mini-14==

One of the cultists in "Ua Law Wale" briefly holds Lori Weston ([[Lauren German]]) at gunpoint with a [[Ruger Mini-14]].

[[Image:Ruger Mini-14 black.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Black Ruger Mini-14 with 20-round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==Accuracy International AW==

An [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#Accuracy International Arctic Warfare|Accuracy International AW]] is used by the Hawaii Sheriff Division's SWAT team to take down a supposed escaped inmate in "Lanakila" (S01E04). It's also used as a murder weapon in "Ko'olauloa" (S01E06).

[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accuracy International AW 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0sniperrifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HSD SWAT operator aiming the sniper rifle at the supposed escapee.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 AI sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Danny finding the AW in "Ko'olauloa".]]

==Blaser R93 LRS2==

A [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle|Blaser R93 LRS2]] is used by Kono in "Hana 'a'a Makehewa" (S01E12) to wound Victor Hesse during his fight with McGarrett.

[[Image:BlaserR93WithHarrisBipod.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum. This rifle has a Harris Bipod mounted.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 R93.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kono porting the R93 before hiding from sight.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 R93 a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of Kono porting the R93 in her arms.]]

=Heavy Weapons=

==FN MAG (M240)==

The [[FN MAG]] mocked up as an M240 is used by an Army escort that engages the hostile gunship in the pilot episode. A photo of the M240's seen in "Powa Maka Moana".

[[Image:Fn mag g.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240G 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:H50E1 151.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[FN MAG]] mocked up as an M240 is used by an Army escort that engages the hostile gunship.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 M240 photo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett shows the crew woman a photo of the M240 GPMG.]]

=Grenades=

==M67 Hand Grenade==
In "Powa Maka Moani" (Ep.1.17), McGarrett uses an [[M67 Hand Grenade]] to breach the metal door leading to the back of Lono's pawn shop.
[[File:M67.jpg|thumb|none|200px]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 grenade set up.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Powa Maka Moani" (Ep.1.17), McGarrett prepares the M67.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 grenade set up breach.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett leaves the M67 with plastic wire hanging by the door.]]

==Molotov Cocktail==
Prepared by McGarrett and Kono to temporarily blind the NVG goggles used by rogue security contractors in "Poi'pu".

[[Image:Hawaii Five0 molotovs.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Molotovs with the rags lit up by McGarrett.]]

=Others=

==Defense Technologies 37mm Gas Gun==
A Hawaii Sheriff Division SWAT operator aims the weapon at a supposed escapee in "Lanakila" from the Halawa Corrections Facility, having an EOTech sight.

[[Image:DefTech1315.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Defense Technologies 37mm Gas Gun.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0DefTech.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A HSD SWAT operator aims the gas gun at a supposed prisoner escapee.]]

==Norinco Type 69==
Found by the Five-0 team during a raid in "Poi'pu".

[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Norinco Type 69.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Type 69.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Type 69 found in an arms cache.]]

==Taser X12==
In "Powa Maka Moani", Steve and Chin Ho carry Taser X12s. These are built by Taser from a Mossberg 500.

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Taser X12 McGarrett.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett armed with a X12 during a Five-0-led raid.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Taser X12s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McGarrett and Chin Ho armed with Taser X12s. You can see the X12 logo on McGarrett's X12.]]

==Arms Cache==
A massive arms cache was found in "Poi'pu".

[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Arms Cache.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Arms Cache found by Chin. A [[Blaser R93]] is seen in front of two [[HK416]]s at the back of the table. Also in the shot is an [[AKMSU]], two [[M72 LAW]]s and a suppressed [[Beretta 92FS]]s. The other suppressed pistol appears to be a non-gun based on the SIG-Sauer P220 or a variant thereof, though why they'd bother silencing a non-gun for a background shot is beyond me.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0 Arms Cache a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another picture of other arms in the Arms Cache as found by Chin. In this shot we can see four [[HK416]]s with and without foregrips and EOTech holographic sights, three [[FN F2000]] Tacticals, another suppressed Beretta and another Norinco Type 69. The revolver to the far right appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] with a 2 1/2-inch barrel, and the one on the left looks a lot like a stainless steel [[Colt Python]] with a 4-inch barrel.]]

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Talk:Hawaii Five-0 (2010)

2011-09-01T12:56:35Z

Peejn8r: /* McGarrett's Gun on Season finale */

== Spelling error in title ==

This show's title is spelled with a "0" instead of an "O". It should read Hawaii Five-0

== A lot of reloading ==

Some of the characters do a lot of speed reloads and tactical reloads during the first episode. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:Not that it makes the show a whole lot more realistic. But seeing SIGs in action is always nice. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but I find it annoying that they do a tactical reload EVERY SIX SHOTS. Just saying that if you have a double stack magazine, might as well use it. The first time I saw it, it almost confused me into thinking that Alex O'Loughlin was using a P220. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.51.1|24.15.51.1]] 20:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

==Chick Guns==
I find it annoying that this show arms Grace Park exclusively with 'Chick Guns' like the 3913 and Kel-Tech pistols she is seen using. For a more in-depth rant on this subject, see the [[X Files, The|X Files]] discussion page. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:Speaking of which, what type of S&W is she using? It has the barrel of a 3913 "Ladysmith", but it's missing the cream-colored grips. I thought it was a regular 3913 until I took a look at the shape of the barrel. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::What are the differences between the barrels of the standard model and the Ladysmith version? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:::Compare the two pictures of them. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I did, the barrels and slides look identical. Unless your talking about the underside of the barrel which is more angular on the Ladysmith version. At first I thought you meant the slides when you referred to the barrels but if you are referring to the undersides, than yes I definitely see the difference. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:::::Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant...you can see that the lower part of the frame on the 3913 and Ladysmith are different. Kono's S&W has the Ladysmith-style frame, even though her gun has black grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::This further supports my "Chick Gun" comment as they armed Kono with a weapon that has "Lady" in the title. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Why is the Kel-Tec PF-9 a "chick" gun? It was given as a back up by her boss. The Kel-tec is an awesome choice for a back-up. As for the Ladysmith, it was probably a good choice. The Ladysmith series was built to accomodate people with smaller hands. Kono is not a big girl no matter how much of a right hook she has. Stainless helps in the Hawaiian heat and the 9mm round is what the rest of her unit uses. At least it was a larger gun instead of immediately going to something like the Glock 26. I'm just glad it was something you don't see very often. [[Special:Contributions/96.32.179.156|96.32.179.156]] 22:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:My rant about the 'Chick Gun' thing is further explained on the X-Files discussion page. My point isn't that these guns are bad, just that it seems demeaning that she is armed only with single-column, small frame pistols while her male colleagues weapons are larger frame, double-stack pistols. As I pointed out on the X-Files discussion page, this is a fairly common trend. Many shows and films arm female cops/federal agents with, at worst .32 or .380 pocket pistols or at best smaller, lower capacity versions of the men's weapons as ''Duty'' weapons. The Kel-Tec in this show was her back-up gun, so that doesn't really count, but the fact that she uses a 3913 Ladysmith as her primary duty weapon does certainly fit this trend (by the way I like the 3913, I just don't think it should be a primary weapon for a LEO). As I mentioned on the X-Files page, I don't bring this up as a sexist issue but as a realism one, since in most real life instances women use the same pistols as men, small hands or not. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

::I just watched last night's episode. Kono's gun is definitely a 3913 "Ladysmith" with black grips. During the scene where they raid the house where the militant group is storing its weapons, there's a close-up of Kono where the slide/barrel of her pistol are clearly visible, and you can see that it says "Ladysmith" on the right side. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::More evidence for the "Chick Gun" phenomenon.

Well I believe there are "girl guns" and then there are guns that fits into the hands of a girl and if she can handle the recoil. I mean, I've heard of a girl owning and really handling her Desert Eagle in .50, but not all girls need to get a "big" gun to make them more equal to a guy with a gun. It's a gun...seriously. It's not like comparing a regular lap to girly laps. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:50, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Holsters ==

Hey guys, just wondering, what is the holster that Lt. Cmdr. Steve McGarrett (Alex O'Loughlin) uses on his Tactical vest? The one where the SIG goes side on. - [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]]
::Pretty sure it was a Blackhawk CQC Serpa.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Agreed. And I think his usual hip holster is something similar to the one used by Jack Bauer on 24. Says its an Aker leather paddle holster. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

== M727? ==

[[Image:Hawaii Five0 M4A1s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|These Colt Rifles do not have removable carry handles and cannot be M4A1's.]]
:yup. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

::Nope. They have thin 16" barrels, rather than 14.5" stepped M4-style (like the M727 has). They're probably some other civilian AR carbine with the A2-style receiver. Olympic Arms makes a K3B variant in that same configuration, and so does DPMS. Unless I saw the side of the receiver, I couldn't tell you brand. But definitely not M727. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Gold Cup National Match ==

[[Image:ColtMKIV-Series-70-GCNM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 70) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carlos Bagoyo aims the National Match at the head of the ex-ambassador.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol aim 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the National Match. You can see the adjustable rear sights.]]
I don't think that's a National Match, looks to me more like a Para Ordnance. Judging from the slide serrations and roll mark style. Kimber is another choice, but it lacks front serrations usually found on them. I also don't think it has adjustable sights, looks like fixed 3-dot.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

:I think Para Ordnance Nite-Tac. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
::Yup that's what I'm going to change it too, also the hammer is shaved so it's an LDA found pretty much only on Para's. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== unknown 1911 ==

[[Image:Hawaii Five0 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An unknown M1911 is seen near the corpse of Emilio Ochoa in "Mana'o".]]
It reminds me of a Springfield Loaded, but lacks the beavertail found on them. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:I think the beavertail is hidden under the straw/hay, because I can't find any 1911's with a 3 hole skeleton trigger, straight backstrap, and no beavertail.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 08:33, 5 August 2011 (CDT)

== Heckler & Koch P30 ==

[[Max Martini]] appeared in an Episode. I thought was strange to see a [[Heckler & Koch P30]] only in a continuity error. I think Max may have used the P30 in his Episode when trying to kidnap the General from his convoy.

I agree. also, it appears that in the last few episodes Danno switched to the P30 from his SP2009.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Danno.jpg|thumb|none|500px|It wasn't just in this episode, either.]]

:Yep, Danno has switched to the H&K P30 as his new sidearm. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

::I'll add it--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 23:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

== Sig not Sigma. ==

They have listed a S&W Sigma series, but in the screen shot it isn't a sigma series.
:It looks more like a SIG Sauer. You can see a hammer. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Looks a lot like a SIG Pro SP2009 or SP2340. Look at the round trigger guard and bottom of the magazine.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

==The guard's unknown gun==
It looks to me like a Beretta 92FS Inox.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:S&W4506 PF BruceW.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Grip closely resembles the old style Smith & Wesson 4506.]]
I thought it looked more like a Sig 226 in stainless. And by the way the ARK on the bag looks really similar to the ARK logo from the Cape. -Peejn8r

That grip was DEFINITELY a Smith & Wesson auto grip. I'd say it's a S&W 5906 or S&W 4506.

==Shotguns?==
In the latest episode, Steve and Chin Ho carry shotguns with bright yellow stocks and fore ends(the fore ends have some kind of attachment) Can anyone identify these guns? --[[Westernman1987|Westernman1987]]--

Stocks and forends like this are used by law enforcement to designate a dedicated Less than lethal weapon.
I thought it was a nice touch, especially since they did not sign post it.

:It is a Taser X12, a re-engineered Mossberg. It fires the Taser XRep, a nasty 12 gauge taser cartridge. Effective up to 100 feet. I suggest researching it, to be safe I won't post a link, but go to taser.com and search X12 and XREP.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::It's a common enough theme with less than lethal weaponry in use by law enforcement agencies these days. In addition to the "yellow" Mossbergs with their Taser rounds Remington makes a variation of its' 870 shotgun intended for beanbag rounds which have orange stocks. Btw...this is the aforementioned taser round in flight.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::[[Image:Taser-xrep.jpg]]
:::It's nice to see a touch of reality on TV. Also, a bit more about the cartridge, it's pretty mean. It is completely wireless, and the front prongs stay embedded into the person while the bottom seperates on a string to the front and sticks into the leg with prongs that pop out of that, and the reaction is to put your hand to the prongs, which are conveniently sticking outward. In my opinion, much better than shooting an uncooperative guy with a .40 S&W round.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 01:17, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Well there is less to clean up if one of these is used as opposed to the mess from a 00 or slug round. ;-)--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. [[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]]

==Found a pic of the HPD rifle==

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 HPD SWAT assaulter.jpg|none|600px]]

This one I got. It's a good one but I'll need some peeps to see if it can be shown as an M4A1 or not. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:00, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
:My guess would be an AR platform rather than an actual Colt M4. Barrel looks kinda long and skinny to be an actual M4. I could be wrong. There are a lot of AR/M4 platforms out there. Almost as many manufacturers as 1911s. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

Looks like a Bushmaster 16-in heavy barreled carbine from the pic, being that I don't see a step-cut in the barrel. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 10:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Kimber ==

Just watching "Nalowale" again and I'm not sure that the Kimber is actually a Kimber. Judging by the look of the grips they are non-diamond checkered wood grips which I've not seen a standard Kimber have. It could be possible that they changed the grips. Although due to the dark image it might just be my eyes playing tricks on me.--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:31, 5 April 2011 (CDT)

== What kind of tactical vest does the team wear? ==

They all seem to wear the same kind. Molle loops front and back, grab handle at the nape of the neck, mostly in black but occasionally in multicam.
I think its some kind of plate carrier, rather than a bullet proof vest in of itself. Anybody know exactly what brand it is?

I think I read that McGarrett uses a Blackhawk vest of some sort. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:51, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
Mcgarrett wears an OTV vest i think the old model, the multicam vest is a different one and the team wears simple bulletproof vests.

== Big page ==

It's hard to believe that it's only had one season so far given the size of the page. If they keep it up it will be the biggest Television page on the site before too long. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:07, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
:I can definitely see that we will have to break it down into seasons eventually, probably after season 3 (I have little to no doubt that it will last up to at least season 5). There might be some repeats, but I definitely want to see this page get on the biggest television page list. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:03, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
::I think if they keep up their weapon selections and what not throughout the second season that it will be on the biggest television page list by the end of season 2. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:39, 3 August 2011 (CDT)

== McGarrett's Gun on Season finale ==

After he gets thrown off the case in the season 1 finale, and Steve goes to see the big guy, cant remember his name, What gun does he get? It looked like a Glock to me but I dont have a screen cap to go along with my thoughts. -- [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]] -8/24/2011

Yeah I'd say it was a Glock 17. Kind of annoyed that he picked up a Glock. It would have been nice for him to get a SIG Sauer P226 like what he started with. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:13, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

The original 226 would have been cool. I think he should have had something smaller and concealable. Like a Glock 27 if he was gonna take a Glock anyway. ([[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]])

Talk:Hawaii Five-0 (2010)

2011-09-01T12:55:46Z

Peejn8r: /* McGarrett's Gun on Season finale */

Talk:The Chicago Code

2011-08-25T17:40:30Z

Peejn8r: /* Carry guns */

== Unknown gun ==

While I am rewatching the first 2 episodes, can someone ID this gun for me. It appeared in the opening chase scene in the first episode

I may be wrong, but that looks like a [[Vektor CP1]] to me. The shape looks right, I can't think of any other pistol with a partly red trigger, and I think I can just about make out the Vektor logo on the grip. [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 12:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Jimmoy, definetley a CP1 --SmithandWesson36 20:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Deleted my images ==

I want to know why was 2 images of the SIG I capped were deleted and I had to repost them [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Accidentally deleted those while trying to add another pic. My bad. -Peejn8r

== Carry guns ==
So if the posted trivia about the Chicago Police department is correct... The 226 Caleb Evers carries would not be allowed because it is a DA/SA, as evidenced by the hammer spur on his 226, instead of the DAK pattern that would be required? - Peejn8r

I thought the 226 can also be in DAO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I thought the 226 had either the DA/SA standard or DAK (Double Action Kellerman,evidenced by the shorter hammer/no spur), setups only. I could be mistaken. - Peejn8r

I love my Sig but honestly limiting a DA/SA gun to DAO seems dumb to me because its not designed for it. Case in point Beretta 96D. Basically a Double Action Only M9 in .40, has a heavy trigger and also massively long pull. Especially when Glock and the alike, XD M&P p99, have a similar feeling setup with way better trigger pulls. - Peejn8r

:Could someone please enlighten me as to why Police Departments are switching over to DAO? I dont see what is wrong with DA/SA, and I personally cant stand DAO, with the longer trigger pull each time. Sorry if I come off as ignorant, as there is probably a good reason.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I can't speak for Chicago but my PD went to DAO or striker fired only to keep the manual of arms the same. That way if another person had to use another persons firearm for some reason it is a consistant trigger pull. I personally prefer DA/SA for my firearms but having a consistant trigger pull has its merits. --[[User:Ram229|Ram229]] 01:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Thats pretty much it... The idea behind DAO is not so much if another officer gets the weapon but for the training. With the DAO pattern the trigger pull is identical everytime. The problem with a DAO system is the massive long trigger pull making it hard to double tap accurately. The advantage of a striker fired weapon is the identical trigger pull of a DAO system without the massively long pull. I think with a DAO Beretta the pull is like 12 pounds everytime. The pull on a Glock is supposed to be 5.5, Huge difference. Personally I prefer the DA/SA setup, or even Cocked and Locked Single Action. - Peejn8r
:Thanks for the responses. But I don't see why the trigger pull should be the same every time. It is after the first shot on DA/SA, and if the argument is to make sure the Police don't accidentally shoot someone then the trigger would still be the same as on the first shot on DA/SA. If they need to fire again (i.e. a shootout maybe?) then it would be better to have a responsive trigger, right? Again, I don't mean to come off as arrogant or anything and I apologize if I do.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 01:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

It has more to do with the training aspect. When a larger dept authorizes several different guns for carry instead of actually issuing a particular firearm training is the only thing the PD can control. Imagine being in charge of the PD fireamrs unit or armorer and having to train every officer on multiple different platforms. When my dept changed over to the M&P after having a DA/SA SW99 the cert officer kept forgetting and saying "decock and holster." Now imagine if he forgot to say "decock and holster" and we were still carrying our DA/SA guns. After awhile officers might start carrying in SA mode only. If all the guns are DAO systems or striker fired like Glocks there is no worry about messing up and causing an unsafe practice from developing. Not to mention having to emply someone to keep track of all the different platforms would be just plain unreasonable. As far as a misfire or 2nd strike for DA/SA firearms, most depts that I have worked with and for train to clear misfires before pulling the trigger again. My dept actually induces them to help officers practice the "clear, move and then engage the threat" typ of scenario.--[[User:Ram229|Ram229]] 22:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Not only that but the Striker-fired weapon is able to have the internal safeties to prevent the gun from "negligent"/accidental discharge with the advantage of a light trigger pull. Because the first shot is often the most crucial shot, the shortened/lighter trigger pull allows for less chance of trigger yank under stress.-Peejn8r

Striker-fired weapons, many of which are now using polymer frames, are also cheaper and lighter and arguably as durable. Losing a few ounces is always nice on a gun belt full of heavy gear. And Cost, a Sig Classic (220, 226, 229) will run around 700 dollars, whereas a glock will go for 400-500 (Police Department Prices). - [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

To answer the original question, the DAK versions lack the decocker lever and the hammer spur, yes, but there are standard DA/SA models that are converted to DAO, and they are usually, if not always, missing the decocker lever while retaining the hammer spur, so seeing spur hammers does not necessarily mean the guns are not DAO, but if you see a decocker on the gun, it's probably a standard DA/SA model. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 00:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== Unknown Holdup gun==

The gun used to hold up Alderman Gibbons in episode 4 looks like a small caliber Beretta like a Jetfire or Bobcat maybe a 1934- [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

I'm going with Cheetah [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Glades

2011-08-25T17:32:07Z

Peejn8r:

This page is a placeholder until the show officially airs on A&E on the evening of 7/11/2010 at 10:00 PM EST. When the series premiere airs and images & information become available, they will be added to properly flesh out this article. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Vanishing Equipment ==

I think it is kinda funny how on this show stuff just changes. In Season 1 Longworth carries a very large Stainless Smith and Wesson 4506. When Season 2 starts there is no mention of the Smith... Now Longworth just happens to carry a SIG 220 in a Serpa. Another one is the Charger. In one scene the blue one is blown up and in the next Longworth already has a brand new unmarked Black Charger already geared up.

One thing I do applaud with this show is that they have gone out of their way to have Longworth carry something unique. He definitely carries a 220 in .45 as is shown in the episode Swamp Thing when he unloads 8 rounds, and drops the single stack mag.

I thought it was funny that every other member of the FDLE carries a Glock 17. Longworth gets a new gun, and it does not turn out to be a Glock. I like that Jim is carryihng a SIG instead of the quintessential Glock. This could be another example of Longworth showing his independence similar to him refusing to wear a uniform or anything other than a t-shirt and jeans. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

The Glades

2011-08-25T17:29:40Z

2011-08-25T02:36:42Z

Peejn8r: /* Vanishing Equipment */

This page is a placeholder until the show officially airs on A&E on the evening of 7/11/2010 at 10:00 PM EST. When the series premiere airs and images & information become available, they will be added to properly flesh out this article. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Vanishing Equipment ==

I think it is kinda funny how on this show stuff just changes. In Season 1 Longworth carries a very large Stainless Smith and Wesson 4506. When Season 2 starts there is no mention of the Smith... Now Longworth just happens to carry a SIG 220 in a Serpa. Another one is the Charger. In one scene the blue one is blown up and in the next Longworth already has a brand new unmarked Black Charger already geared up.

One thing I do applaud with this show is that they have gone out of their way to have Longworth carry something unique. He definitely carries a 220 in .45 as is shown in the episode Swamp Thing when he unloads 8 rounds, and drops the single stack mag.

Ironically though... Every other member of the FDLE carries a Glock 17, and Longworth gets a new gun and its not a Glock. I like that Jim is carryihng a SIG instead of the quintessential Glock. This could be another example of Longworth showing his independence similar to him refusing to wear a uniform or anything other than a t-shirt and jeans. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

The Glades

2011-08-25T02:32:32Z

Peejn8r:

Talk:Hawaii Five-0 (2010)

2011-08-25T02:29:27Z

Peejn8r: /* McGarrett's Gun on Season finale */

Talk:Hawaii Five-0 (2010)

2011-08-25T02:08:22Z

Peejn8r:

== Spelling error in title ==

This show's title is spelled with a "0" instead of an "O". It should read Hawaii Five-0

== A lot of reloading ==

Some of the characters do a lot of speed reloads and tactical reloads during the first episode. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:Not that it makes the show a whole lot more realistic. But seeing SIGs in action is always nice. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but I find it annoying that they do a tactical reload EVERY SIX SHOTS. Just saying that if you have a double stack magazine, might as well use it. The first time I saw it, it almost confused me into thinking that Alex O'Loughlin was using a P220. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.51.1|24.15.51.1]] 20:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

==Chick Guns==
I find it annoying that this show arms Grace Park exclusively with 'Chick Guns' like the 3913 and Kel-Tech pistols she is seen using. For a more in-depth rant on this subject, see the [[X Files, The|X Files]] discussion page. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:Speaking of which, what type of S&W is she using? It has the barrel of a 3913 "Ladysmith", but it's missing the cream-colored grips. I thought it was a regular 3913 until I took a look at the shape of the barrel. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::What are the differences between the barrels of the standard model and the Ladysmith version? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:::Compare the two pictures of them. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I did, the barrels and slides look identical. Unless your talking about the underside of the barrel which is more angular on the Ladysmith version. At first I thought you meant the slides when you referred to the barrels but if you are referring to the undersides, than yes I definitely see the difference. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:::::Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant...you can see that the lower part of the frame on the 3913 and Ladysmith are different. Kono's S&W has the Ladysmith-style frame, even though her gun has black grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::This further supports my "Chick Gun" comment as they armed Kono with a weapon that has "Lady" in the title. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Why is the Kel-Tec PF-9 a "chick" gun? It was given as a back up by her boss. The Kel-tec is an awesome choice for a back-up. As for the Ladysmith, it was probably a good choice. The Ladysmith series was built to accomodate people with smaller hands. Kono is not a big girl no matter how much of a right hook she has. Stainless helps in the Hawaiian heat and the 9mm round is what the rest of her unit uses. At least it was a larger gun instead of immediately going to something like the Glock 26. I'm just glad it was something you don't see very often. [[Special:Contributions/96.32.179.156|96.32.179.156]] 22:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:My rant about the 'Chick Gun' thing is further explained on the X-Files discussion page. My point isn't that these guns are bad, just that it seems demeaning that she is armed only with single-column, small frame pistols while her male colleagues weapons are larger frame, double-stack pistols. As I pointed out on the X-Files discussion page, this is a fairly common trend. Many shows and films arm female cops/federal agents with, at worst .32 or .380 pocket pistols or at best smaller, lower capacity versions of the men's weapons as ''Duty'' weapons. The Kel-Tec in this show was her back-up gun, so that doesn't really count, but the fact that she uses a 3913 Ladysmith as her primary duty weapon does certainly fit this trend (by the way I like the 3913, I just don't think it should be a primary weapon for a LEO). As I mentioned on the X-Files page, I don't bring this up as a sexist issue but as a realism one, since in most real life instances women use the same pistols as men, small hands or not. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

::I just watched last night's episode. Kono's gun is definitely a 3913 "Ladysmith" with black grips. During the scene where they raid the house where the militant group is storing its weapons, there's a close-up of Kono where the slide/barrel of her pistol are clearly visible, and you can see that it says "Ladysmith" on the right side. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::More evidence for the "Chick Gun" phenomenon.

Well I believe there are "girl guns" and then there are guns that fits into the hands of a girl and if she can handle the recoil. I mean, I've heard of a girl owning and really handling her Desert Eagle in .50, but not all girls need to get a "big" gun to make them more equal to a guy with a gun. It's a gun...seriously. It's not like comparing a regular lap to girly laps. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:50, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Holsters ==

Hey guys, just wondering, what is the holster that Lt. Cmdr. Steve McGarrett (Alex O'Loughlin) uses on his Tactical vest? The one where the SIG goes side on. - [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]]
::Pretty sure it was a Blackhawk CQC Serpa.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Agreed. And I think his usual hip holster is something similar to the one used by Jack Bauer on 24. Says its an Aker leather paddle holster. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

== M727? ==

[[Image:Hawaii Five0 M4A1s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|These Colt Rifles do not have removable carry handles and cannot be M4A1's.]]
:yup. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

::Nope. They have thin 16" barrels, rather than 14.5" stepped M4-style (like the M727 has). They're probably some other civilian AR carbine with the A2-style receiver. Olympic Arms makes a K3B variant in that same configuration, and so does DPMS. Unless I saw the side of the receiver, I couldn't tell you brand. But definitely not M727. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Gold Cup National Match ==

[[Image:ColtMKIV-Series-70-GCNM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 70) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carlos Bagoyo aims the National Match at the head of the ex-ambassador.]]
[[Image:Hawaii Five0pistol aim 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the National Match. You can see the adjustable rear sights.]]
I don't think that's a National Match, looks to me more like a Para Ordnance. Judging from the slide serrations and roll mark style. Kimber is another choice, but it lacks front serrations usually found on them. I also don't think it has adjustable sights, looks like fixed 3-dot.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

:I think Para Ordnance Nite-Tac. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
::Yup that's what I'm going to change it too, also the hammer is shaved so it's an LDA found pretty much only on Para's. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== unknown 1911 ==

[[Image:Hawaii Five0 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An unknown M1911 is seen near the corpse of Emilio Ochoa in "Mana'o".]]
It reminds me of a Springfield Loaded, but lacks the beavertail found on them. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:I think the beavertail is hidden under the straw/hay, because I can't find any 1911's with a 3 hole skeleton trigger, straight backstrap, and no beavertail.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 08:33, 5 August 2011 (CDT)

== Heckler & Koch P30 ==

[[Max Martini]] appeared in an Episode. I thought was strange to see a [[Heckler & Koch P30]] only in a continuity error. I think Max may have used the P30 in his Episode when trying to kidnap the General from his convoy.

I agree. also, it appears that in the last few episodes Danno switched to the P30 from his SP2009.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 Danno.jpg|thumb|none|500px|It wasn't just in this episode, either.]]

:Yep, Danno has switched to the H&K P30 as his new sidearm. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

::I'll add it--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 23:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

== Sig not Sigma. ==

They have listed a S&W Sigma series, but in the screen shot it isn't a sigma series.
:It looks more like a SIG Sauer. You can see a hammer. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Looks a lot like a SIG Pro SP2009 or SP2340. Look at the round trigger guard and bottom of the magazine.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

==The guard's unknown gun==
It looks to me like a Beretta 92FS Inox.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:S&W4506 PF BruceW.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Grip closely resembles the old style Smith & Wesson 4506.]]
I thought it looked more like a Sig 226 in stainless. And by the way the ARK on the bag looks really similar to the ARK logo from the Cape. -Peejn8r

That grip was DEFINITELY a Smith & Wesson auto grip. I'd say it's a S&W 5906 or S&W 4506.

==Shotguns?==
In the latest episode, Steve and Chin Ho carry shotguns with bright yellow stocks and fore ends(the fore ends have some kind of attachment) Can anyone identify these guns? --[[Westernman1987|Westernman1987]]--

Stocks and forends like this are used by law enforcement to designate a dedicated Less than lethal weapon.
I thought it was a nice touch, especially since they did not sign post it.

:It is a Taser X12, a re-engineered Mossberg. It fires the Taser XRep, a nasty 12 gauge taser cartridge. Effective up to 100 feet. I suggest researching it, to be safe I won't post a link, but go to taser.com and search X12 and XREP.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::It's a common enough theme with less than lethal weaponry in use by law enforcement agencies these days. In addition to the "yellow" Mossbergs with their Taser rounds Remington makes a variation of its' 870 shotgun intended for beanbag rounds which have orange stocks. Btw...this is the aforementioned taser round in flight.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::[[Image:Taser-xrep.jpg]]
:::It's nice to see a touch of reality on TV. Also, a bit more about the cartridge, it's pretty mean. It is completely wireless, and the front prongs stay embedded into the person while the bottom seperates on a string to the front and sticks into the leg with prongs that pop out of that, and the reaction is to put your hand to the prongs, which are conveniently sticking outward. In my opinion, much better than shooting an uncooperative guy with a .40 S&W round.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 01:17, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Well there is less to clean up if one of these is used as opposed to the mess from a 00 or slug round. ;-)--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. [[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]]

==Found a pic of the HPD rifle==

[[Image:Hawaii Five 0 HPD SWAT assaulter.jpg|none|600px]]

This one I got. It's a good one but I'll need some peeps to see if it can be shown as an M4A1 or not. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:00, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
:My guess would be an AR platform rather than an actual Colt M4. Barrel looks kinda long and skinny to be an actual M4. I could be wrong. There are a lot of AR/M4 platforms out there. Almost as many manufacturers as 1911s. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

Looks like a Bushmaster 16-in heavy barreled carbine from the pic, being that I don't see a step-cut in the barrel. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 10:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Kimber ==

Just watching "Nalowale" again and I'm not sure that the Kimber is actually a Kimber. Judging by the look of the grips they are non-diamond checkered wood grips which I've not seen a standard Kimber have. It could be possible that they changed the grips. Although due to the dark image it might just be my eyes playing tricks on me.--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:31, 5 April 2011 (CDT)

== What kind of tactical vest does the team wear? ==

They all seem to wear the same kind. Molle loops front and back, grab handle at the nape of the neck, mostly in black but occasionally in multicam.
I think its some kind of plate carrier, rather than a bullet proof vest in of itself. Anybody know exactly what brand it is?

I think I read that McGarrett uses a Blackhawk vest of some sort. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:51, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
Mcgarrett wears an OTV vest i think the old model, the multicam vest is a different one and the team wears simple bulletproof vests.

== Big page ==

It's hard to believe that it's only had one season so far given the size of the page. If they keep it up it will be the biggest Television page on the site before too long. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:07, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
:I can definitely see that we will have to break it down into seasons eventually, probably after season 3 (I have little to no doubt that it will last up to at least season 5). There might be some repeats, but I definitely want to see this page get on the biggest television page list. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:03, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
::I think if they keep up their weapon selections and what not throughout the second season that it will be on the biggest television page list by the end of season 2. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:39, 3 August 2011 (CDT)

== McGarrett's Gun on Season finale ==

When Steve goes to the big guy, cant remember his name, on the season 1 finale, What does he get? It looked like a Glock to me but I dont have a screen cap to go along with my thoughts. -- [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

Talk:The Glades

2011-08-25T01:59:07Z

Peejn8r: /* Vanishing Equipment */

This page is a placeholder until the show officially airs on A&E on the evening of 7/11/2010 at 10:00 PM EST. When the series premiere airs and images & information become available, they will be added to properly flesh out this article. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Vanishing Equipment ==

I think it is kinda funny how on this show stuff just changes. In Season 1 Longworth carries a very large Stainless Smith and Wesson 4506. When Season 2 starts there is no mention of the Smith... Now Longworth just happens to carry a SIG 220 in a Serpa. Another one is the Charger. In one scene the blue one is blown up and in the next Longworth already has a brand new unmarked Black Charger already geared up.

One thing I do applaud with this show is that they have gone out of their way to have Longworth carry something unique. He definitely carries a 220 in .45 as is shown in the episode Swamp Thing when he unloads 8 rounds, and drops the single stack mag.

Ironically though... Every other member of the FDLE carries a Glock 17, and Longworth gets a new gun and its not a Glock. I like that Jim is carryihng a SIG instead of the quintessential Glock. This could be another example of Longworth showing his independence similar to him refusing to wear a uniform or anything other than a t-shirt and jeans.

Talk:The Glades

2011-08-25T01:51:03Z

Peejn8r: /* Vanishing Equipmentg */

This page is a placeholder until the show officially airs on A&E on the evening of 7/11/2010 at 10:00 PM EST. When the series premiere airs and images & information become available, they will be added to properly flesh out this article. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Vanishing Equipment ==
I think it is kinda funny how on this show stuff just changes. In Season 1 Longworth carries a very large Stainless Smith and Wesson 4506. When Season 2 starts there is no mention of the Smith... Now Longworth just happens to carry a SIG 220 in a Serpa. Another one is the Charger. In one scene the blue one is blown up and in the next Longworth already has a brand new unmarked Black Charger already geared up.

One thing I do have to say about the show is that they have gone out of their way to have Longworth carry something unique. He definitely carries a 220 in .45 as is shown in the episode Swamp Thing when he unloads 8 rounds, and drops the single stack mag.

Ironically though... Everyother member of the FDLE, who carries a weapon, carries a Glock 17. Just kinda thought it funny that long worth would not have converted to a Glock, even if it was a .45. This could be another example of Longworth showing his independence similar to why he refuses to wear anything other than a t-shirt and jeans while he is working.

Talk:The Glades

2011-08-25T01:50:39Z

2011-05-05T13:37:43Z

Peejn8r: /* Tony's Gun in Baltimore */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5-inch barrel, and possible novak rear sight. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2011-05-05T13:36:38Z

Peejn8r: /* Unknown MG found by Malachi */

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]

Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technically isn't the M9 and the Beretta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

Can anyone here tell me what, if any, differences there are between a common 92FS and an M9? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil." It's from Season 5. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

: I wouldnt call it 'signature', but rather his main sidearm. Bond and Dirty Harry had it A LOT and even people who know diddly squat about guns could tell who had a 44 magnum. Franks' Kimber has only been in a few episodes, and we still arent sure what kind of Kimber it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

It looks a lot like a Makarov PM, or the hungaran variant

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Sniper rifle used in "The Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Season 1's "The Bone Yard"? It's the rifle used by the mob hitman. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Ben41. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS2 60.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Suppressed Glock in "Designated Target"==
Can anyone ID the exact model of suppressed Glock that was used by one of the Burundian death squad members?

==Photo of Webley==
Here's the screencap of the Webley revolver used in the recent NCIS episode.

[[Image:Webley revolver NCIS.jpg|250px]]

Feel free to use it to correct the article if any. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think that might actually be an Enfield No.2 going by the caliber... I'll have to watch the episode again.

:: I see. NCIS refers to it as a Webley. But they can be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a bit ticked off that the Royal Marine Major claims to keep one in his flat in London. You know, what with private ownership of handguns being all but illegal in Britain. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Oh Go bark at the moon.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== editing page ==

In order to edit the page, you need to be a registered user. If you are not, you can make recommendations for changes on this discussion page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Forend isn't a word, and as far as I know lights are always mounted fore, not hind. I recommend a wholesale removal of the word forend without replacement.

== Kahr P9/K9 ==

The section on the Kahr P9 contains the statement: "The P9 is similar to the K9 but it has the +1 magazine." This is incorrect. The P9 and K9 are both 7+1 guns in stock configuration and their magazines are interchangeable. The P9 has a polymer frame and the K9 has a stainless steel frame. The P9 can be seen on Kahr's website here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp], and the K9 can be seen here: [http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9.asp]. You can see both come standard with a 7 round magazine.

==Borin's SIG in "Ships in the Night"==
The subcompact SIG that CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin had in her purse looked like either a Stainless Steel SIG P230 or a Stainless Steel SIG P232. Can anyone make a positive ID? Add a screencap, too, when you make the ID.--[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gibbs' Suppressed Gun in "Judgment Day" Flashback==
I believe that the suppressed gun that Gibbs used to assassinate Anatoli Zukov in the flashback in Judgment Day Part 1 & 2 and again in a flashback in Enemies Domestic was a suppressed SIG Sauer P228.
P.S. When Gibbs shot Zukov, he fired three shots. Two into Zukov's chest and one in his head. Execution-style. Please note the same execution style shooting in Brothers In Arms. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC) I would try to get a screencap, but I do not have any of the NCIS seasons on DVD. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Was that back when he was in Paris with Jen? If so, I think it would be pretty hard to identify due to the effects they use in flashback scenes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Not if you have a keen eye for detail, like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 16:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It would make sense to use a P228, since it is their duty pistol. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::But I honestly do not think that there are any SIG Sauer P228's that are made to accept a suppressor. At least, none that I know of. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that there are threaded barrels availiable for the P228. Probably not as much now, since the P228 isn't in production anymore :( but back when that scene took place I'm sure they were availiable.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::These were the first two results when I used Yahoo! Search for threaded barrels for the SIG Sauer P228.
::::::http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p229-replacement-barrel-9mm-threaded.html
::::::http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=311

== Henry Rifle in Season 6 "South by Southwest" ==

Just saw this episode on TV and the Henry rifle is mis-classified as a Winchester Model 1873. The two are very close in construction, but the rifle referred to as "the Henry" from the show is indeed a Henry 30-30. You have to look close during the show but the rifle Gibbs uses has an Octagon barrel which is only used in Henry rifles.

== Unknown MG found by Malachi ==

I think this thing might be an M240, judging by the heat shield. Still not sure why it's got an EoTech on it, though. [[User:Raven|Raven]] 06:56, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Tony's Gun in Baltimore ==

I of course don't have screen caps and maybe somebody out there already does...
The gun Tony carried while working for Baltimore P.D. looks to be a Colt Commander or the like. Black grips, probably not full 5" size, and possible novak sights. Just wondering if Anybody else caught that. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]