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The Green Berets

2015-09-26T09:08:48Z

Pak43: /* Captured Weapons Display */

[[Image:TheGreenBeretsPoster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Green Berets'' (1968)]]

'''''The Green Berets''''' is the 1968 [[John Wayne]] war film that was one of the few movies made about the Vietnam War while the US was still involved in fighting it. Holding a somewhat dubious honor of being the only (somewhat) pro-Vietnam War movie of the era, Wayne's film received substantial support from the Department of Defense, who lent accurate equipment and weaponry for the production.

* Actors: [[John Wayne]], [[David Janssen]], [[Jim Hutton]], [[Aldo Ray]], [[Raymond St. Jacques]], [[Jack Soo]], [[George Takei]], [[Patrick Wayne]], [[Luke Askew]], [[Edward Faulkner]], [[Jason Evers]], [[Bruce Cabot]], [[Mike Henry]], [[Rudy Robbins]]

* Directors: Ray Kellogg, [[John Wayne]], Mervyn LeRoy

{{Film Title|The Green Berets}}

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= Captured Weapons Display =
At the beginning of the film, when a group of civilians and reporters are being briefed about the capabilities of the U.S. Army Special Forces a number of captured weapons are seen on a display board behind the MSG Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) and SFC McGee ([[Raymond St. Jacques]]), they include:
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|The Captured Weapons Display.]]
[[Image:TGB 3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|MSG Muldoon standing next to the Captured Weapons Display]]

== MAT-49 ==
The [[MAT-49|MAT-49 sub machine gun]] was used widely throughout (then) French Indo-China with a great deal of them being left behind after the defeat at Dien Bien Phu. The weapon displayed here could be a locally manufactured copy which chambered the 7.62mm Tokarev round.
[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|300px|none|thumb|French MAT-49 Sub Machine Gun - 9mm]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|[[MAT-49]] top dead center of Display]]

==Thompson==
Also seen on the board is an [[M1928A1 Thompson]]. The M-1928 and A1 models could have their butt stock removed and were commonly seen with the Vietcong because of the First Indochina War, Chinese Civil War, and Korean War.
[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Viet Cong copy of [[Thompson]] in center of Display]]

== SKS Carbine ==
The Russian [[SKS Carbine]] is also on display.
[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian SKS carbine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Russian version of [[SKS Carbine]] in center of Display]]
[[Image:TGB 213.jpg|600px|none|thumb|Muldoon takes up the SKS.]]

== PPSh-41 Submachine Gun ==
This ubiquitous Russian [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41 Sub Machine Gun]] is also seen on the captured weapons display but, like the SKS above it could very well be a Chinese clone. Sgt. Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) refers to the weapon as a "ChiCom K50 submachine gun".

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPSh-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Chinese version of [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41 Sub Machine Gun]] at bottom of Display]]
[[Image:TGB 211.jpg|600px|none|thumb|Sgt. Muldoon shows off the "ChiCom K50 submachine gun".]]

== Mle 1892 Revolver ==
[[Image:Mle 1892.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Mle 1892 Revolver - 8 x 27mm]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Viet Mihn copy of [[Mle 1892 Revolver]] in center of Display]]

== French MAS 1935S .32cal pistol == The unidentified small blued handgun at the middle right of the display board is a French MAS M-1935S handgun. These were common with French forces in Indochina in the late 40's-mid 1950's. 05:06hrs. 26 Sept 2015. -- Pak43

=Pistols=
==Colt Woodsman "Assassin" Model==
A [[Colt Woodsman]] with both a modified slide and barrel to thread a suppressor is used by Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]).
[[Image:Woodsman.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Woodsman "Assassin" Model]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_22_01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]) prepares to use the suppressed pistol.]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_22_02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]) holds the pistol.]]

=Shotguns=

== Browning Over & Under Shotgun ==
The Airborne Colonel who shoots skeet with Col. Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) (and who was the real commander of the Airborne School at Fort Benning, Georgia where the film was shot) uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Browning over-under shotgun]].
[[Image:Remington premier.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Premier 12 or 20 gauge, or a combination.]]
[[Image:Gb2.JPG|601px|none|thumb|The Airborne Colonel uses a Browning over-under shotgun to shoot skeet with Col. Kirby ([[John Wayne]]). The Airborne Colonel was portrayed by the real life commander at Fort Benning at the time of the film's production.]]

== Remington Model 1100 ==
Col. Kirby uses a [[Remington Model 1100]] semi-auto shotgun while shooting skeet with the Airborne colonel.
[[Image:1100sporting20.jpg|500px|none|thumb|Remington Model 1100 - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Gb3.JPG|601px|none|thumb|Col. Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) with the [[Remington 1100|Remington Model 1100 Shotgun]].]]

=Rifles=
== XM16E1 Rifle ==
In the movie, Kirby's men carry a [[XM16E1]] rifles noted by the presence of a forward bolt assist, partial magazine fence and early model three prong flash suppressor. In actuality, the U.S. Army Special Forces were one of the first units to actively field the [[M16]] in combat.
[[Image:XM16E1 real.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM16E1 Rifle - 5.56mm]]
[[File:J Wayne-TGB.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A publicity image of [[John Wayne]] as Colonel Kirby holding the rifle.]]
[[Image:Gb5.JPG|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Parks ([[Rudy Robbins]]) holds the [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]].]]
[[Image:TGB 23.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) with the Mike Force armed with [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifles]]]]
[[Image:TGB 31.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) holding a [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]] while watching Skyhook.]]
[[File:GreenB 334.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Kirby carries the rifle as the sun sets over the coast of Vietnam. (This would not be a common occurrence either in the state of Georgia, where the majority of the production was filmed, or South Vietnam as most of Vietnam's and Georgia's coastal areas face east.]]

===Mattel M-16 Marauder Toy Gun===
Later in the movie, Col. Kirby is seen dramatically smashing an M-16 against a tree. If you look carefully, the "weapon" is actually a ''Mattel M-16 Marauder'', a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's. Also, it would be near impossible for him to smash the aerospace-grade aluminum receivers by hand against a tree, which is what he would have done to really render the weapon unusable to the enemy. Like in most movies, this was done just to give viewers a 'macho' impression on the screen. The Marauder is also briefly seen in the hands of Kirby after the watchtower is brought down by enemy fire.
[[Image:MattelMarauder1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mattel M-16 Marauder Toy Gun]]
[[Image:Gb9.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Wayne prepares to smash his fallen comrade's 'M16 rifle', making it useless to the Vietcong if they ever got a grip of it. The "weapon" is actually a ''Mattel M-16 Marauder'', a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's.]]
[[Image:GreenB 3039.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The rifle briefly seen in the hands of Kirby after the watchtower is brought down by enemy fire also is the Maurader toy gun.]]

==M1 Carbine ==
The [[M1 Carbine]] is seen mainly in the hands of the ARVN troopers, VC fighters, as well as numerous US military personnel. Reporter George Beckworth ([[David Janssen]]) also is briefly seen with the rifle.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Late Model M1 Carbine - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Gb15.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The [[M1 Carbine]] is seen in the hands of the ''ARVN'' troopers.]]
[[File:GreenB_6408.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LT Jamison ([[Patrick Wayne]]) carries an M1 Carbine on his tractor.]]
[[File:GreenB_6410.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Nim ([[George Takei]]) carries the M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:TGB 15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Viet Cong carrying [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbines]].]]
[[Image:TGB 22.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier with [[M1 Carbine]] assisting the evacuation.]]
[[Image:TGB 29.jpg|thumb|none|600px|George Beckworth ([[David Janssen]]) holding the [[M1 Carbine]].]]
[[File:GreenB_6416.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]) on the right carries the M1 Carbine.]]

== M1 Garand ==
The [[M1 Garand]] is seen in the hands of ARVN troops, Strike team members, as well as enemy fighters.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Rifle - .30-06]]
[[File:GreenB 315.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Col. Kirby meets the Mike Force Honor Guard. Seen on the right are the jump towers of Fort Benning, where the production was filmed.]]
[[Image:Gb10.JPG|none|thumb|601px|Mike Force Honor Guard with the [[M1 Garand]].]]
[[Image:TGB 7.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Mike Force Honor Guard with the [[M1 Garand]] as Col. Kirby salute.]]
[[Image:TGB 17.jpg|none|thumb|602px|Strike Team member carrying the [[M1 Garand]] on the left.]]

==M14 Rifle==
Both American and VC force are seen using the [[M14]] rifle.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 Rifle - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:TGB 20.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Viet Cong charging the camp with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]]
[[Image:TGB 21.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Viet Cong charging the camp with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]]
[[Image:TGB 22.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier with [[M14 Rifle]] assisting the evacuation]]
[[Image:TGB 33.jpg|none|thumb|600px|US Soldiers arriving in Vietnam with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]]

==T26 Tanker Garand Rifle ==
During the evacuation of the A camp, a Mike Force member is briefly seen carrying the Tanker model of the [[M1 Garand]].
[[Image:Tanker Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|T26 Tanker Garand Rifle - .30-06]]
[[Image:TGB 25.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier with [[M1 Garand|Tanker Garand]] with flash hider.]]
[[Image:TGB 24.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A closer view of the Mike Force soldier's [[M1 Garand|Tanker Garand]] with flash hider.]]

==Mauser Gewehr 98 Rifle==
The Mike Force soldier on the left has a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Mauser Gew98 Rifle]] slung after the battle.
[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser Gew 98 Rifle - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:TGB 26.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier carrying a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Mauser Gewehr 98 Rifle]] after the battle.]]

==Mauser Karabiner 98k Rifle==
NVA Regular soldiers are seen grabbing their [[Karabiner 98k|Mauser K98k Rifles]] during the extraction. It should be noted that both the NVA and the Viet Cong used a considerable number of Mauser Kar98k rifles during the Vietnam War (many of which were provided by the Soviet Union) and the rifles (along with the Mosin-Nagant) were used alongside the more prevalent AK-47 rifle and SKS carbine.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k 98 Rifle - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:TGB 30.jpg|none|thumb|600px|NVA Regular soldiers are seen grabbing their [[Karabiner 98k|Mauser K98k Rifles]].]]

==T-62 Civilian Defense Model ==
During the VC/NVA Assault on the basecamp, three VC killed on the wire appear to be armed with T-62 Civilian Defense Model rifles/carbines. Similar weapons were used in the 1967 Dean Martin film ''[[The Ambushers]]'' as well as in the television series ''Get Smart''.
[[Image:AR-7_T-62.jpg|thumb|400px|none|T-62 Civilian Defense Model - .22 LR]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_AR7_02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The rifle is held by the VC.]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_AR7_03.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The pistol grip is visible here.]]

=Machine Guns=
==M60 Machine Gun==
[[M60]] machine guns are seen manned by doorgunners in Huey helicopters as well as carried by US troops entering their tour of duty at the end of the film. This is one of the first appearances of the machine gun in a motion picture and not likely a prop weapon (the production was granted full cooperation with the US Department of Defense).
[[File:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 machine gun with bipod extended - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:GreenB 302.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60]] machine guns seen inside the helicopter.]]
[[Image:GreenB 306.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60]] machine gun manned by doorgunner in Huey helicopter.]]
[[Image:GreenBerets_M60_01.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Beckworth leaves with another group of troops with slung M60 machine guns (seen on the far left and far right).]]

==M60D Machine Gun==
[[M60D]] machine guns are seen mounted as door guns on several US "Huey" helicopters.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:GreenB 310.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60D]] machine guns are seen mounted as door guns on several US "Huey" helicopters.]]
[[Image:GreenB 303.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60D]] machine guns are seen mounted as door guns on the landing "Huey" helicopter.]]
[[Image:TGB 8.jpg|none|thumb|601px|UH-1 "Huey" Helicopter armed with [[M60 machine gun|M60D machine gun]] in the door]]

==M60C Machine Guns mounted in M-6E3 Weapons System ==
[[M60 machine gun#M-6E3 Weapons System|This system]], consisting of two double sets of [[M60 machine gun#M60C machine gun|M60C machine guns]] mounted above 8 shot rocket pods is seen attached to a UH-1 "Huey" (probably a C or D model) gunship in the movie.
[[Image:TGB 10.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A ground crew doing final adjustments to the M-6E3 Weapons System with [[M60 machine gun#M60C machine gun|M60C machine guns]]]]
[[Image:Gb4.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Crew doing final adjustments to the M-6E3 Weapons System with [[M60 machine gun#M60C machine gun|M60C machine guns]]]]
[[Image:GreenB 308.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The gunship launches rockets on an NVA position.]]

== Browning M2 Aircraft ==
Seen mounted on tripods throughout the A Camp is this aircraft version of the venerable [[Browning M2]] easily denoted by the full length ventilated barrel shroud. The reason for using the M2 Aircraft version on film was the ease of blank conversion compared to the M2 Heavy Barrel ground gun.
[[File:M2 aircraft flexible.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2 Aircraft, Flexible - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Gb6.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Sergeant Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) standing over a [[Browning M2|Browning M2 Aircraft Machine Gun]].]]

== Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun ==
A [[Browning M1919A4]] Machine Gun is also used in the defense of the A Camp.
[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Gb12.JPG|600px|thumb|none|MSG Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) oversees the camp's defenses. Note the M1919 in the upper right corner.]]
[[Image:TGB 19.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Green Beret machine gun team firing a [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun]].]]
[[Image:TGB 14.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun]] is fired.]]

==Browning Automatic Rifle==
A [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] is briefly seen in the hands of a VC fighter during the assault on the A Camp.
[[Image:BAR.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Browning Automatic Rifle - .30-06]]
[[Image:GreenB 331.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the right, a [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] is briefly seen in the hands of a VC fighter during the assault on the A Camp.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==
Seen in the interior of ''Puff The Magic Dragon'' (a name bestowed on most early USAF gunships) are a pair of devastating [[M134 minigun]]s.
This is also one of the first appearances of the weapon in a motion picture.
[[Image:M134.JPG|400px|none|thumb|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Gb8.JPG|601px|none|thumb|"It'll only a take a minute." A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun|GE M134 Miniguns]] are fired from the "Puff the Magic Dragon" AC-47 Gunship.]]

=Other=

==M30 4.2 inch Mortar==
Sergeant Peterson ([[Jim Hutton]]) and crew are seen manning a M30 4.2 inch Mortar during the VC attack.
[[Image:M30mortar.JPG|thumb|none|400px|M30 mortar - 4.2 inch]]
[[Image:TGB 13.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sergeant Peterson ([[Jim Hutton]]) and crew manning a M30 4.2 inch Mortar.]]

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==
The [[M79 Grenade Launcher]] glimpsed briefly (though never actually fired) in the movie is one of the U.S.'s more reliable light support weapons. An M79 is also carried by MSG Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]).
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 Grenade Launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:Gb7.JPG|none|thumb|601px|A Mike Force Strike Team member carrying a [[M79 grenade launcher|M79 Grenade Launcher]].]]
[[File:GreenB_340.jpg|none|thumb|601px|MSG Muldoon is seen in the center with an M79.]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==
This standard (and extremely devastating) [[M18A1 Claymore]] U.S. anti-personnel mine makes a brief appearance in the film (though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its blue coloring).
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:GB 11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M18A1 Claymore]] in place in camp A-107 (though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its blue coloring).]]

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The Green Berets

2015-09-26T09:06:54Z

Pak43: /* Captured Weapons Display */

[[Image:TheGreenBeretsPoster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Green Berets'' (1968)]]

'''''The Green Berets''''' is the 1968 [[John Wayne]] war film that was one of the few movies made about the Vietnam War while the US was still involved in fighting it. Holding a somewhat dubious honor of being the only (somewhat) pro-Vietnam War movie of the era, Wayne's film received substantial support from the Department of Defense, who lent accurate equipment and weaponry for the production.

* Actors: [[John Wayne]], [[David Janssen]], [[Jim Hutton]], [[Aldo Ray]], [[Raymond St. Jacques]], [[Jack Soo]], [[George Takei]], [[Patrick Wayne]], [[Luke Askew]], [[Edward Faulkner]], [[Jason Evers]], [[Bruce Cabot]], [[Mike Henry]], [[Rudy Robbins]]

* Directors: Ray Kellogg, [[John Wayne]], Mervyn LeRoy

{{Film Title|The Green Berets}}

__TOC__<br clear=all>
= Captured Weapons Display =
At the beginning of the film, when a group of civilians and reporters are being briefed about the capabilities of the U.S. Army Special Forces a number of captured weapons are seen on a display board behind the MSG Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) and SFC McGee ([[Raymond St. Jacques]]), they include:
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|The Captured Weapons Display.]]
[[Image:TGB 3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|MSG Muldoon standing next to the Captured Weapons Display]]

== MAT-49 ==
The [[MAT-49|MAT-49 sub machine gun]] was used widely throughout (then) French Indo-China with a great deal of them being left behind after the defeat at Dien Bien Phu. The weapon displayed here could be a locally manufactured copy which chambered the 7.62mm Tokarev round.
[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|300px|none|thumb|French MAT-49 Sub Machine Gun - 9mm]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|[[MAT-49]] top dead center of Display]]

==Thompson==
Also seen on the board is an [[M1928A1 Thompson]]. The M-1928 and A1 models could have their butt stock removed and were commonly seen with the Vietcong because of the First Indochina War, Chinese Civil War, and Korean War.
[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Viet Cong copy of [[Thompson]] in center of Display]]

== SKS Carbine ==
The Russian [[SKS Carbine]] is also on display.
[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian SKS carbine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Russian version of [[SKS Carbine]] in center of Display]]
[[Image:TGB 213.jpg|600px|none|thumb|Muldoon takes up the SKS.]]

== PPSh-41 Submachine Gun ==
This ubiquitous Russian [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41 Sub Machine Gun]] is also seen on the captured weapons display but, like the SKS above it could very well be a Chinese clone. Sgt. Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) refers to the weapon as a "ChiCom K50 submachine gun".

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPSh-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Chinese version of [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41 Sub Machine Gun]] at bottom of Display]]
[[Image:TGB 211.jpg|600px|none|thumb|Sgt. Muldoon shows off the "ChiCom K50 submachine gun".]]

== Mle 1892 Revolver ==
[[Image:Mle 1892.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Mle 1892 Revolver - 8 x 27mm]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Viet Mihn copy of [[Mle 1892 Revolver]] in center of Display]]

== French MAS 1935S .32cal pistol. The unidentified small blued handgun at the middle right of the display board is a French MAS M-1935S handgun. These were common with French forces in Indochina in the late 40's-mid 1950's. 05:06hrs. 26 Sept 2015. -- Pak43

=Pistols=
==Colt Woodsman "Assassin" Model==
A [[Colt Woodsman]] with both a modified slide and barrel to thread a suppressor is used by Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]).
[[Image:Woodsman.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Woodsman "Assassin" Model]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_22_01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]) prepares to use the suppressed pistol.]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_22_02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]) holds the pistol.]]

=Shotguns=

== Browning Over & Under Shotgun ==
The Airborne Colonel who shoots skeet with Col. Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) (and who was the real commander of the Airborne School at Fort Benning, Georgia where the film was shot) uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Browning over-under shotgun]].
[[Image:Remington premier.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Premier 12 or 20 gauge, or a combination.]]
[[Image:Gb2.JPG|601px|none|thumb|The Airborne Colonel uses a Browning over-under shotgun to shoot skeet with Col. Kirby ([[John Wayne]]). The Airborne Colonel was portrayed by the real life commander at Fort Benning at the time of the film's production.]]

== Remington Model 1100 ==
Col. Kirby uses a [[Remington Model 1100]] semi-auto shotgun while shooting skeet with the Airborne colonel.
[[Image:1100sporting20.jpg|500px|none|thumb|Remington Model 1100 - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Gb3.JPG|601px|none|thumb|Col. Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) with the [[Remington 1100|Remington Model 1100 Shotgun]].]]

=Rifles=
== XM16E1 Rifle ==
In the movie, Kirby's men carry a [[XM16E1]] rifles noted by the presence of a forward bolt assist, partial magazine fence and early model three prong flash suppressor. In actuality, the U.S. Army Special Forces were one of the first units to actively field the [[M16]] in combat.
[[Image:XM16E1 real.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM16E1 Rifle - 5.56mm]]
[[File:J Wayne-TGB.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A publicity image of [[John Wayne]] as Colonel Kirby holding the rifle.]]
[[Image:Gb5.JPG|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Parks ([[Rudy Robbins]]) holds the [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]].]]
[[Image:TGB 23.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) with the Mike Force armed with [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifles]]]]
[[Image:TGB 31.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) holding a [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]] while watching Skyhook.]]
[[File:GreenB 334.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Kirby carries the rifle as the sun sets over the coast of Vietnam. (This would not be a common occurrence either in the state of Georgia, where the majority of the production was filmed, or South Vietnam as most of Vietnam's and Georgia's coastal areas face east.]]

===Mattel M-16 Marauder Toy Gun===
Later in the movie, Col. Kirby is seen dramatically smashing an M-16 against a tree. If you look carefully, the "weapon" is actually a ''Mattel M-16 Marauder'', a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's. Also, it would be near impossible for him to smash the aerospace-grade aluminum receivers by hand against a tree, which is what he would have done to really render the weapon unusable to the enemy. Like in most movies, this was done just to give viewers a 'macho' impression on the screen. The Marauder is also briefly seen in the hands of Kirby after the watchtower is brought down by enemy fire.
[[Image:MattelMarauder1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mattel M-16 Marauder Toy Gun]]
[[Image:Gb9.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Wayne prepares to smash his fallen comrade's 'M16 rifle', making it useless to the Vietcong if they ever got a grip of it. The "weapon" is actually a ''Mattel M-16 Marauder'', a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's.]]
[[Image:GreenB 3039.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The rifle briefly seen in the hands of Kirby after the watchtower is brought down by enemy fire also is the Maurader toy gun.]]

==M1 Carbine ==
The [[M1 Carbine]] is seen mainly in the hands of the ARVN troopers, VC fighters, as well as numerous US military personnel. Reporter George Beckworth ([[David Janssen]]) also is briefly seen with the rifle.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Late Model M1 Carbine - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Gb15.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The [[M1 Carbine]] is seen in the hands of the ''ARVN'' troopers.]]
[[File:GreenB_6408.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LT Jamison ([[Patrick Wayne]]) carries an M1 Carbine on his tractor.]]
[[File:GreenB_6410.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Nim ([[George Takei]]) carries the M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:TGB 15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Viet Cong carrying [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbines]].]]
[[Image:TGB 22.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier with [[M1 Carbine]] assisting the evacuation.]]
[[Image:TGB 29.jpg|thumb|none|600px|George Beckworth ([[David Janssen]]) holding the [[M1 Carbine]].]]
[[File:GreenB_6416.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]) on the right carries the M1 Carbine.]]

== M1 Garand ==
The [[M1 Garand]] is seen in the hands of ARVN troops, Strike team members, as well as enemy fighters.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Rifle - .30-06]]
[[File:GreenB 315.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Col. Kirby meets the Mike Force Honor Guard. Seen on the right are the jump towers of Fort Benning, where the production was filmed.]]
[[Image:Gb10.JPG|none|thumb|601px|Mike Force Honor Guard with the [[M1 Garand]].]]
[[Image:TGB 7.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Mike Force Honor Guard with the [[M1 Garand]] as Col. Kirby salute.]]
[[Image:TGB 17.jpg|none|thumb|602px|Strike Team member carrying the [[M1 Garand]] on the left.]]

==M14 Rifle==
Both American and VC force are seen using the [[M14]] rifle.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 Rifle - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:TGB 20.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Viet Cong charging the camp with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]]
[[Image:TGB 21.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Viet Cong charging the camp with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]]
[[Image:TGB 22.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier with [[M14 Rifle]] assisting the evacuation]]
[[Image:TGB 33.jpg|none|thumb|600px|US Soldiers arriving in Vietnam with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]]

==T26 Tanker Garand Rifle ==
During the evacuation of the A camp, a Mike Force member is briefly seen carrying the Tanker model of the [[M1 Garand]].
[[Image:Tanker Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|T26 Tanker Garand Rifle - .30-06]]
[[Image:TGB 25.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier with [[M1 Garand|Tanker Garand]] with flash hider.]]
[[Image:TGB 24.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A closer view of the Mike Force soldier's [[M1 Garand|Tanker Garand]] with flash hider.]]

==Mauser Gewehr 98 Rifle==
The Mike Force soldier on the left has a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Mauser Gew98 Rifle]] slung after the battle.
[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser Gew 98 Rifle - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:TGB 26.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier carrying a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Mauser Gewehr 98 Rifle]] after the battle.]]

==Mauser Karabiner 98k Rifle==
NVA Regular soldiers are seen grabbing their [[Karabiner 98k|Mauser K98k Rifles]] during the extraction. It should be noted that both the NVA and the Viet Cong used a considerable number of Mauser Kar98k rifles during the Vietnam War (many of which were provided by the Soviet Union) and the rifles (along with the Mosin-Nagant) were used alongside the more prevalent AK-47 rifle and SKS carbine.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k 98 Rifle - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:TGB 30.jpg|none|thumb|600px|NVA Regular soldiers are seen grabbing their [[Karabiner 98k|Mauser K98k Rifles]].]]

==T-62 Civilian Defense Model ==
During the VC/NVA Assault on the basecamp, three VC killed on the wire appear to be armed with T-62 Civilian Defense Model rifles/carbines. Similar weapons were used in the 1967 Dean Martin film ''[[The Ambushers]]'' as well as in the television series ''Get Smart''.
[[Image:AR-7_T-62.jpg|thumb|400px|none|T-62 Civilian Defense Model - .22 LR]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_AR7_02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The rifle is held by the VC.]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_AR7_03.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The pistol grip is visible here.]]

=Machine Guns=
==M60 Machine Gun==
[[M60]] machine guns are seen manned by doorgunners in Huey helicopters as well as carried by US troops entering their tour of duty at the end of the film. This is one of the first appearances of the machine gun in a motion picture and not likely a prop weapon (the production was granted full cooperation with the US Department of Defense).
[[File:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 machine gun with bipod extended - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:GreenB 302.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60]] machine guns seen inside the helicopter.]]
[[Image:GreenB 306.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60]] machine gun manned by doorgunner in Huey helicopter.]]
[[Image:GreenBerets_M60_01.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Beckworth leaves with another group of troops with slung M60 machine guns (seen on the far left and far right).]]

==M60D Machine Gun==
[[M60D]] machine guns are seen mounted as door guns on several US "Huey" helicopters.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:GreenB 310.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60D]] machine guns are seen mounted as door guns on several US "Huey" helicopters.]]
[[Image:GreenB 303.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60D]] machine guns are seen mounted as door guns on the landing "Huey" helicopter.]]
[[Image:TGB 8.jpg|none|thumb|601px|UH-1 "Huey" Helicopter armed with [[M60 machine gun|M60D machine gun]] in the door]]

==M60C Machine Guns mounted in M-6E3 Weapons System ==
[[M60 machine gun#M-6E3 Weapons System|This system]], consisting of two double sets of [[M60 machine gun#M60C machine gun|M60C machine guns]] mounted above 8 shot rocket pods is seen attached to a UH-1 "Huey" (probably a C or D model) gunship in the movie.
[[Image:TGB 10.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A ground crew doing final adjustments to the M-6E3 Weapons System with [[M60 machine gun#M60C machine gun|M60C machine guns]]]]
[[Image:Gb4.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Crew doing final adjustments to the M-6E3 Weapons System with [[M60 machine gun#M60C machine gun|M60C machine guns]]]]
[[Image:GreenB 308.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The gunship launches rockets on an NVA position.]]

== Browning M2 Aircraft ==
Seen mounted on tripods throughout the A Camp is this aircraft version of the venerable [[Browning M2]] easily denoted by the full length ventilated barrel shroud. The reason for using the M2 Aircraft version on film was the ease of blank conversion compared to the M2 Heavy Barrel ground gun.
[[File:M2 aircraft flexible.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2 Aircraft, Flexible - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Gb6.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Sergeant Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) standing over a [[Browning M2|Browning M2 Aircraft Machine Gun]].]]

== Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun ==
A [[Browning M1919A4]] Machine Gun is also used in the defense of the A Camp.
[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Gb12.JPG|600px|thumb|none|MSG Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) oversees the camp's defenses. Note the M1919 in the upper right corner.]]
[[Image:TGB 19.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Green Beret machine gun team firing a [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun]].]]
[[Image:TGB 14.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun]] is fired.]]

==Browning Automatic Rifle==
A [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] is briefly seen in the hands of a VC fighter during the assault on the A Camp.
[[Image:BAR.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Browning Automatic Rifle - .30-06]]
[[Image:GreenB 331.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the right, a [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] is briefly seen in the hands of a VC fighter during the assault on the A Camp.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==
Seen in the interior of ''Puff The Magic Dragon'' (a name bestowed on most early USAF gunships) are a pair of devastating [[M134 minigun]]s.
This is also one of the first appearances of the weapon in a motion picture.
[[Image:M134.JPG|400px|none|thumb|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Gb8.JPG|601px|none|thumb|"It'll only a take a minute." A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun|GE M134 Miniguns]] are fired from the "Puff the Magic Dragon" AC-47 Gunship.]]

=Other=

==M30 4.2 inch Mortar==
Sergeant Peterson ([[Jim Hutton]]) and crew are seen manning a M30 4.2 inch Mortar during the VC attack.
[[Image:M30mortar.JPG|thumb|none|400px|M30 mortar - 4.2 inch]]
[[Image:TGB 13.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sergeant Peterson ([[Jim Hutton]]) and crew manning a M30 4.2 inch Mortar.]]

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==
The [[M79 Grenade Launcher]] glimpsed briefly (though never actually fired) in the movie is one of the U.S.'s more reliable light support weapons. An M79 is also carried by MSG Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]).
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 Grenade Launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:Gb7.JPG|none|thumb|601px|A Mike Force Strike Team member carrying a [[M79 grenade launcher|M79 Grenade Launcher]].]]
[[File:GreenB_340.jpg|none|thumb|601px|MSG Muldoon is seen in the center with an M79.]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==
This standard (and extremely devastating) [[M18A1 Claymore]] U.S. anti-personnel mine makes a brief appearance in the film (though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its blue coloring).
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:GB 11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M18A1 Claymore]] in place in camp A-107 (though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its blue coloring).]]

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The Green Berets

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Pak43: /* Captured Weapons Display */

[[Image:TheGreenBeretsPoster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Green Berets'' (1968)]]

'''''The Green Berets''''' is the 1968 [[John Wayne]] war film that was one of the few movies made about the Vietnam War while the US was still involved in fighting it. Holding a somewhat dubious honor of being the only (somewhat) pro-Vietnam War movie of the era, Wayne's film received substantial support from the Department of Defense, who lent accurate equipment and weaponry for the production.

* Actors: [[John Wayne]], [[David Janssen]], [[Jim Hutton]], [[Aldo Ray]], [[Raymond St. Jacques]], [[Jack Soo]], [[George Takei]], [[Patrick Wayne]], [[Luke Askew]], [[Edward Faulkner]], [[Jason Evers]], [[Bruce Cabot]], [[Mike Henry]], [[Rudy Robbins]]

* Directors: Ray Kellogg, [[John Wayne]], Mervyn LeRoy

{{Film Title|The Green Berets}}

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= Captured Weapons Display =
At the beginning of the film, when a group of civilians and reporters are being briefed about the capabilities of the U.S. Army Special Forces a number of captured weapons are seen on a display board behind the MSG Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) and SFC McGee ([[Raymond St. Jacques]]), they include:
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|The Captured Weapons Display.]]
[[Image:TGB 3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|MSG Muldoon standing next to the Captured Weapons Display]]

== MAT-49 ==
The [[MAT-49|MAT-49 sub machine gun]] was used widely throughout (then) French Indo-China with a great deal of them being left behind after the defeat at Dien Bien Phu. The weapon displayed here could be a locally manufactured copy which chambered the 7.62mm Tokarev round.
[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|300px|none|thumb|French MAT-49 Sub Machine Gun - 9mm]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|[[MAT-49]] top dead center of Display]]

==Thompson==
Also seen on the board is an [[M1928A1 Thompson]]. The M-1928 and A1 models could have their butt stock removed and were commonly seen with the Vietcong because of the First Indochina War, Chinese Civil War, and Korean War.
[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Viet Cong copy of [[Thompson]] in center of Display]]

== SKS Carbine ==
The Russian [[SKS Carbine]] is also on display.
[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian SKS carbine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Russian version of [[SKS Carbine]] in center of Display]]
[[Image:TGB 213.jpg|600px|none|thumb|Muldoon takes up the SKS.]]

== PPSh-41 Submachine Gun ==
This ubiquitous Russian [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41 Sub Machine Gun]] is also seen on the captured weapons display but, like the SKS above it could very well be a Chinese clone. Sgt. Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) refers to the weapon as a "ChiCom K50 submachine gun".

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPSh-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Chinese version of [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41 Sub Machine Gun]] at bottom of Display]]
[[Image:TGB 211.jpg|600px|none|thumb|Sgt. Muldoon shows off the "ChiCom K50 submachine gun".]]

== Mle 1892 Revolver ==
[[Image:Mle 1892.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Mle 1892 Revolver - 8 x 27mm]]
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Viet Mihn copy of [[Mle 1892 Revolver]] in center of Display]]

== French MAS 1935S .32cal pistol. The unidentified small blued handgun at the middle right of the display board is a French MAS M-1935S handgun. These were common with French forces in Indochina in the late 40's-mid 1950's.

=Pistols=
==Colt Woodsman "Assassin" Model==
A [[Colt Woodsman]] with both a modified slide and barrel to thread a suppressor is used by Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]).
[[Image:Woodsman.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Woodsman "Assassin" Model]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_22_01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]) prepares to use the suppressed pistol.]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_22_02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]) holds the pistol.]]

=Shotguns=

== Browning Over & Under Shotgun ==
The Airborne Colonel who shoots skeet with Col. Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) (and who was the real commander of the Airborne School at Fort Benning, Georgia where the film was shot) uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Browning over-under shotgun]].
[[Image:Remington premier.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Premier 12 or 20 gauge, or a combination.]]
[[Image:Gb2.JPG|601px|none|thumb|The Airborne Colonel uses a Browning over-under shotgun to shoot skeet with Col. Kirby ([[John Wayne]]). The Airborne Colonel was portrayed by the real life commander at Fort Benning at the time of the film's production.]]

== Remington Model 1100 ==
Col. Kirby uses a [[Remington Model 1100]] semi-auto shotgun while shooting skeet with the Airborne colonel.
[[Image:1100sporting20.jpg|500px|none|thumb|Remington Model 1100 - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Gb3.JPG|601px|none|thumb|Col. Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) with the [[Remington 1100|Remington Model 1100 Shotgun]].]]

=Rifles=
== XM16E1 Rifle ==
In the movie, Kirby's men carry a [[XM16E1]] rifles noted by the presence of a forward bolt assist, partial magazine fence and early model three prong flash suppressor. In actuality, the U.S. Army Special Forces were one of the first units to actively field the [[M16]] in combat.
[[Image:XM16E1 real.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM16E1 Rifle - 5.56mm]]
[[File:J Wayne-TGB.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A publicity image of [[John Wayne]] as Colonel Kirby holding the rifle.]]
[[Image:Gb5.JPG|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Parks ([[Rudy Robbins]]) holds the [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]].]]
[[Image:TGB 23.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) with the Mike Force armed with [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifles]]]]
[[Image:TGB 31.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) holding a [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]] while watching Skyhook.]]
[[File:GreenB 334.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Kirby carries the rifle as the sun sets over the coast of Vietnam. (This would not be a common occurrence either in the state of Georgia, where the majority of the production was filmed, or South Vietnam as most of Vietnam's and Georgia's coastal areas face east.]]

===Mattel M-16 Marauder Toy Gun===
Later in the movie, Col. Kirby is seen dramatically smashing an M-16 against a tree. If you look carefully, the "weapon" is actually a ''Mattel M-16 Marauder'', a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's. Also, it would be near impossible for him to smash the aerospace-grade aluminum receivers by hand against a tree, which is what he would have done to really render the weapon unusable to the enemy. Like in most movies, this was done just to give viewers a 'macho' impression on the screen. The Marauder is also briefly seen in the hands of Kirby after the watchtower is brought down by enemy fire.
[[Image:MattelMarauder1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mattel M-16 Marauder Toy Gun]]
[[Image:Gb9.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Wayne prepares to smash his fallen comrade's 'M16 rifle', making it useless to the Vietcong if they ever got a grip of it. The "weapon" is actually a ''Mattel M-16 Marauder'', a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's.]]
[[Image:GreenB 3039.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The rifle briefly seen in the hands of Kirby after the watchtower is brought down by enemy fire also is the Maurader toy gun.]]

==M1 Carbine ==
The [[M1 Carbine]] is seen mainly in the hands of the ARVN troopers, VC fighters, as well as numerous US military personnel. Reporter George Beckworth ([[David Janssen]]) also is briefly seen with the rifle.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Late Model M1 Carbine - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Gb15.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The [[M1 Carbine]] is seen in the hands of the ''ARVN'' troopers.]]
[[File:GreenB_6408.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LT Jamison ([[Patrick Wayne]]) carries an M1 Carbine on his tractor.]]
[[File:GreenB_6410.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Nim ([[George Takei]]) carries the M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:TGB 15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Viet Cong carrying [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbines]].]]
[[Image:TGB 22.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier with [[M1 Carbine]] assisting the evacuation.]]
[[Image:TGB 29.jpg|thumb|none|600px|George Beckworth ([[David Janssen]]) holding the [[M1 Carbine]].]]
[[File:GreenB_6416.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Cai ([[Jack Soo]]) on the right carries the M1 Carbine.]]

== M1 Garand ==
The [[M1 Garand]] is seen in the hands of ARVN troops, Strike team members, as well as enemy fighters.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Rifle - .30-06]]
[[File:GreenB 315.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Col. Kirby meets the Mike Force Honor Guard. Seen on the right are the jump towers of Fort Benning, where the production was filmed.]]
[[Image:Gb10.JPG|none|thumb|601px|Mike Force Honor Guard with the [[M1 Garand]].]]
[[Image:TGB 7.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Mike Force Honor Guard with the [[M1 Garand]] as Col. Kirby salute.]]
[[Image:TGB 17.jpg|none|thumb|602px|Strike Team member carrying the [[M1 Garand]] on the left.]]

==M14 Rifle==
Both American and VC force are seen using the [[M14]] rifle.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 Rifle - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:TGB 20.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Viet Cong charging the camp with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]]
[[Image:TGB 21.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Viet Cong charging the camp with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]]
[[Image:TGB 22.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier with [[M14 Rifle]] assisting the evacuation]]
[[Image:TGB 33.jpg|none|thumb|600px|US Soldiers arriving in Vietnam with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]]

==T26 Tanker Garand Rifle ==
During the evacuation of the A camp, a Mike Force member is briefly seen carrying the Tanker model of the [[M1 Garand]].
[[Image:Tanker Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|T26 Tanker Garand Rifle - .30-06]]
[[Image:TGB 25.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier with [[M1 Garand|Tanker Garand]] with flash hider.]]
[[Image:TGB 24.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A closer view of the Mike Force soldier's [[M1 Garand|Tanker Garand]] with flash hider.]]

==Mauser Gewehr 98 Rifle==
The Mike Force soldier on the left has a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Mauser Gew98 Rifle]] slung after the battle.
[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser Gew 98 Rifle - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:TGB 26.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Mike Force soldier carrying a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Mauser Gewehr 98 Rifle]] after the battle.]]

==Mauser Karabiner 98k Rifle==
NVA Regular soldiers are seen grabbing their [[Karabiner 98k|Mauser K98k Rifles]] during the extraction. It should be noted that both the NVA and the Viet Cong used a considerable number of Mauser Kar98k rifles during the Vietnam War (many of which were provided by the Soviet Union) and the rifles (along with the Mosin-Nagant) were used alongside the more prevalent AK-47 rifle and SKS carbine.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k 98 Rifle - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:TGB 30.jpg|none|thumb|600px|NVA Regular soldiers are seen grabbing their [[Karabiner 98k|Mauser K98k Rifles]].]]

==T-62 Civilian Defense Model ==
During the VC/NVA Assault on the basecamp, three VC killed on the wire appear to be armed with T-62 Civilian Defense Model rifles/carbines. Similar weapons were used in the 1967 Dean Martin film ''[[The Ambushers]]'' as well as in the television series ''Get Smart''.
[[Image:AR-7_T-62.jpg|thumb|400px|none|T-62 Civilian Defense Model - .22 LR]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_AR7_02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The rifle is held by the VC.]]
[[Image: GreenBerets_AR7_03.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The pistol grip is visible here.]]

=Machine Guns=
==M60 Machine Gun==
[[M60]] machine guns are seen manned by doorgunners in Huey helicopters as well as carried by US troops entering their tour of duty at the end of the film. This is one of the first appearances of the machine gun in a motion picture and not likely a prop weapon (the production was granted full cooperation with the US Department of Defense).
[[File:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 machine gun with bipod extended - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:GreenB 302.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60]] machine guns seen inside the helicopter.]]
[[Image:GreenB 306.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60]] machine gun manned by doorgunner in Huey helicopter.]]
[[Image:GreenBerets_M60_01.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Beckworth leaves with another group of troops with slung M60 machine guns (seen on the far left and far right).]]

==M60D Machine Gun==
[[M60D]] machine guns are seen mounted as door guns on several US "Huey" helicopters.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:GreenB 310.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60D]] machine guns are seen mounted as door guns on several US "Huey" helicopters.]]
[[Image:GreenB 303.jpg|none|thumb|601px|[[M60D]] machine guns are seen mounted as door guns on the landing "Huey" helicopter.]]
[[Image:TGB 8.jpg|none|thumb|601px|UH-1 "Huey" Helicopter armed with [[M60 machine gun|M60D machine gun]] in the door]]

==M60C Machine Guns mounted in M-6E3 Weapons System ==
[[M60 machine gun#M-6E3 Weapons System|This system]], consisting of two double sets of [[M60 machine gun#M60C machine gun|M60C machine guns]] mounted above 8 shot rocket pods is seen attached to a UH-1 "Huey" (probably a C or D model) gunship in the movie.
[[Image:TGB 10.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A ground crew doing final adjustments to the M-6E3 Weapons System with [[M60 machine gun#M60C machine gun|M60C machine guns]]]]
[[Image:Gb4.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Crew doing final adjustments to the M-6E3 Weapons System with [[M60 machine gun#M60C machine gun|M60C machine guns]]]]
[[Image:GreenB 308.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The gunship launches rockets on an NVA position.]]

== Browning M2 Aircraft ==
Seen mounted on tripods throughout the A Camp is this aircraft version of the venerable [[Browning M2]] easily denoted by the full length ventilated barrel shroud. The reason for using the M2 Aircraft version on film was the ease of blank conversion compared to the M2 Heavy Barrel ground gun.
[[File:M2 aircraft flexible.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2 Aircraft, Flexible - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Gb6.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Sergeant Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) standing over a [[Browning M2|Browning M2 Aircraft Machine Gun]].]]

== Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun ==
A [[Browning M1919A4]] Machine Gun is also used in the defense of the A Camp.
[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Gb12.JPG|600px|thumb|none|MSG Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) oversees the camp's defenses. Note the M1919 in the upper right corner.]]
[[Image:TGB 19.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Green Beret machine gun team firing a [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun]].]]
[[Image:TGB 14.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun]] is fired.]]

==Browning Automatic Rifle==
A [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] is briefly seen in the hands of a VC fighter during the assault on the A Camp.
[[Image:BAR.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Browning Automatic Rifle - .30-06]]
[[Image:GreenB 331.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the right, a [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] is briefly seen in the hands of a VC fighter during the assault on the A Camp.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==
Seen in the interior of ''Puff The Magic Dragon'' (a name bestowed on most early USAF gunships) are a pair of devastating [[M134 minigun]]s.
This is also one of the first appearances of the weapon in a motion picture.
[[Image:M134.JPG|400px|none|thumb|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Gb8.JPG|601px|none|thumb|"It'll only a take a minute." A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun|GE M134 Miniguns]] are fired from the "Puff the Magic Dragon" AC-47 Gunship.]]

=Other=

==M30 4.2 inch Mortar==
Sergeant Peterson ([[Jim Hutton]]) and crew are seen manning a M30 4.2 inch Mortar during the VC attack.
[[Image:M30mortar.JPG|thumb|none|400px|M30 mortar - 4.2 inch]]
[[Image:TGB 13.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sergeant Peterson ([[Jim Hutton]]) and crew manning a M30 4.2 inch Mortar.]]

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==
The [[M79 Grenade Launcher]] glimpsed briefly (though never actually fired) in the movie is one of the U.S.'s more reliable light support weapons. An M79 is also carried by MSG Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]).
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 Grenade Launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:Gb7.JPG|none|thumb|601px|A Mike Force Strike Team member carrying a [[M79 grenade launcher|M79 Grenade Launcher]].]]
[[File:GreenB_340.jpg|none|thumb|601px|MSG Muldoon is seen in the center with an M79.]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==
This standard (and extremely devastating) [[M18A1 Claymore]] U.S. anti-personnel mine makes a brief appearance in the film (though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its blue coloring).
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:GB 11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M18A1 Claymore]] in place in camp A-107 (though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its blue coloring).]]

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Talk:PPSh-41

2015-09-26T08:55:04Z

Pak43: /* And the award for most bizarre use of the PPSh: */

= Additional Images =
[[Image:PPS-42.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Soviet PPS-42, early version of PPS-43 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Tikkakoski M_44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tikkakoski M/44 - 9x19mm Parabellum. This is a Finnish version of PPS-43.]]

= Discussion =
how many times must I to write this PPS 43 not PPSh ,it was build by Sudaiev not Shpagin.

Does the page look more organized now?

===Move the KP-31 and the PPD on another page===
I think that it's better move the description of the finnish KP-31 and the soviet PPD on page apart: The mechanical sistem
of the submashingun are somewhat different from the Shpagin/Sudaiev system.
However may be correct put the KP-31 and the PPD togeder, becous the PPD is a direct derivation of the finnish s.m.g. - [[User:Lone Soldier|Lone Soldier]] 10-28-2009 12:17

The PPS deserves it's own page. It's a completely different weapon. The only thing it has in common with the PPSh is the ammo. It can't even share mags. And tthe PPD can go on the MP-28 page. (Or just lump the MP18, MP28, Lanchester and PPD all on one page.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:40, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

::I absolutely agree. PPD and PPS is completely independent weapon that has nothing to do with the PPSh, except cartridge. They deserve their own pages. You also need to mention that the stick magazines used in the PPSh only since 1944, not 1942, as written here. In 1942, PPSh has changed only sight, but not the magazine. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 10:55, 19 November 2011 (CST)
::: I think that it would be better to create their own pages for just all SMGs from this page: ''Suomi KP/-31'', ''PPD-40'' (with ''PPD-34''), ''PPSh-41'' (with ''K-50M''), ''PPS-43'' (with ''PPS-42'', ''m/44'', ''wz/1943/52'' and ''Dux M53''). Although they have much common, these are different enough weapon.
::: And sorry, Flexo, but you are wrong: stick magazines for PPSh were used since 1942 (the resolution of State Comitee for Defence dated Feb.12 1942). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::: I speak not about when the GKO (SCD) resolution has been written, but about when these magazines have appeared in field army. I didn't see any photo denying my words. At least even in 1943 (for example during Kursk fight) these magazines can't be seen (I am assured, you know that photos of Red Army are rather easy for dating if you know dates of change of a uniform and rules of carrying of awards). [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 14:11, 19 November 2011 (CST)
::::: I will examine my collection of wartime photos. As far as I remember there were photos of Red Army soldiers with PPShs with stick magazines during Stalingrad battle. And quick search in internet give [http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/004476/thm/4476558.jpg this photo]. It is battle for Caucasus mountains, early 1943. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 01:10, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::: It is a pity to me, but this photo it is impossible precisely 1943. In this photo we see mountains, the person in a mountain overalls and tropical hat (I had same when I served in KGB troops in 1987) and PPSh-41. Therefore I can tell that it, for example, Central Asia, Pamir, KGB frontier troops, 1950. Now try to deny my words :-)) [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 03:03, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::::: I wait for a photo of Stalingrad battle [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 03:03, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::: OK, it's your right not to trust. :) I'll try to get a 100% proof. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 09:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::: [http://s017.radikal.ru/i415/1111/04/9a9c060ea816.jpg This photo] is attributed: "Stalingrad. Dom Pavlova (Pavlov's building). 1942". Of course drum magasines were seen far more often in this period but I think they were used from late 1942.
:::::::: By the way, "Soviet firearms" by D.Bolotyn (3rd Edition, 1990, p.154) says that in Nov.1943 a new model of stick magazine was designed. It was made of 1 mm thick steel instead of 0.5 mm because the previous model proved itself not very good. So this stick magasine had to be used at least in 1943 in order to prove it somehow, right? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 10:21, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::::::: My friend, do you believe what in the "Pavlov's building" there was a photographer? Ahahah... This photo can be carried absolutely to any period of War. ...Two soldiers shoot in ruins... For example it is storm of Kenigsberg? Why not? ...I will believe that it is 1942 only if I see signs of a military rank on a collars.
:::::::::: As to the BolotIn's book - probably new magazines were tested in 1943, but in photos, unfortunately, they can't be seen. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 13:25, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::::::::: Sorry, I have no "gold proof" so I'll not argue. Maybe you are right. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 13:31, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::: All right mate. I am too not 100 % assured that I am right. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 13:36, 20 November 2011 (CST)

I think the Finnish sub-machine gun deserves it's own page. Or dump it with the MP18 page, too. After all, it was the gun the Soviets based their PPD and PPSh.
Or at least it should be on top of the page.
:Ps. Yes, some PPSh's were converted to 9x19mm Parabellum, especially by the Finnish Army. They also sometimes simply used them as they were. It would have been stupid not to, since the Finns were sometimes so deep in their forests that Parabellum ammo would run out. Plus, it would have to be preserved for the KP/-31's. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:21, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

This was discussed in the [http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1428 forum] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

==Question==
Hi. I made a page for [[Cryostasis]] a few days ago. The PPSh-41 in it strangely keeps firing even when the trigger is released. (It fires about 4-5 rounds.) I read somewhere that this happens with the ''real'' PPSh too. Could anyone confirm this? If it is true, then I would include it on the game's page and also this could be some really realistic modeling/programing never seen before. Thank you. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:49, 15 March 2011 (CDT)

The PPSh is a simple blow-back design that fires from a open bolt. There are several factors that would cause the gun to 'run away'. Under-powered ammunition would cause the bolt to short-cycle. Meaning the bolt isn't traveling far enough rearward to catch the sear. The weapon could be dirty and have foreign matter in the trigger group causing the sear to react slowly when the trigger is released. There could also be foreign matter in the path of the bolt's recoil, preventing it from engaging the sear. That being said, the PPSh is extremely reliable under extreme conditions. I have handled, repaired, and fired many PPSh's over the years and have never witnessed one run-away. The worst culprit for jamming is the drum magazine. They don't hold up well to rough handling. The curved 35rd box mag is superior. What you are experiencing in your game is simply a game designer who doesn't know weapons. They don't act like that in the real world. But I find that true of most all video games. 04:48hrs, 26 Sept 2015,--Pak43

== K-50M ==

Is the K-50M really a Vietnamese copy, it looks nothing like it.--Gunner5

The basic upper and lower receiver is the same except that the barrel jacket is shortened and a AK-type front sight base is fitted. The wooden butt stock was done away with and replaced with sheet metal enclosing the lower receiver and a AK-type pistol grip added. A steel wire, collapsible butt stock, based on the French MAT-49, was added. Though it could still take the drum magazine, the intended mag was the curved 34 round PPSh magazine. The drum mag could not be used with the stock in the retracted position. --Pak43

== Suomi ==

I just want to confirm: the Suomi is only chambered in 9mm Para and nothing else? Not 7.62mm Tok? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:56, 5 July 2012 (CDT)
:According to Jaegerplatoon.net, there was Suomi M/26 in 7.65x21 (or in 7.65x17, in different source). But this model looked different from M/31 and was produced in very limited numbers. "Year 1959 the remaining 57 Suomi M/26 were sold to Interarmco and shipped abroad year 1960." (http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MACHINEPISTOLS1.htm). Finnish M/31 itself was only 9x19. Swedish Husqvarna M/37 copy of Suomi was in 9x20 Browning Long; M/37-41 and later models were in 9x19. Danish and Swiss versions were in 9x19. There is a rumor that there existed a Soviet copy of Suomi in 7.62x25 but I have not seen anything about such model in Russian sources, so it's a question. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 12:39, 5 July 2012 (CDT)
::The screencap below has bottlenecked shell casings coming out of a Suomi. I have a feeling they're just CGI shell casings, but I just want to be sure. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:02, 5 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:MaxM_Suomi_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

The casing being ejected from the weapon look to be 9mm blank cases. The cases are full-length blank rounds. The overall length of the live 9mm round is reproduced for reliable feeding. There is a shoulder formed on the case so it will properly head-space in the chamber.

== And the award for most bizarre use of the PPSh: ==

[[Image:PPSh-bomber.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:56, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

:What. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 18:40, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
::It's a Soviet plane Tupolev Tu-2Sh, an experimental version of Tu-2 bomber. A battery of 88 PPSh was mounted in the bomb bay. The idea was to provide a massive fire against soft targets. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:53, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

A similar idea was floated around the United States Army Air Corp in the late Teens/early 1920's using the Thompson Sub-machine gun. I don't believe it got past the Concept phase. 04:53hrs, 26 Sept, 2015, --Pak43

Talk:PPSh-41

2015-09-26T08:50:17Z

Pak43: /* Question */

Talk:PPSh-41

2015-09-26T08:35:36Z

Pak43: /* K-50M */

= Additional Images =
[[Image:PPS-42.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Soviet PPS-42, early version of PPS-43 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Tikkakoski M_44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tikkakoski M/44 - 9x19mm Parabellum. This is a Finnish version of PPS-43.]]

= Discussion =
how many times must I to write this PPS 43 not PPSh ,it was build by Sudaiev not Shpagin.

Does the page look more organized now?

===Move the KP-31 and the PPD on another page===
I think that it's better move the description of the finnish KP-31 and the soviet PPD on page apart: The mechanical sistem
of the submashingun are somewhat different from the Shpagin/Sudaiev system.
However may be correct put the KP-31 and the PPD togeder, becous the PPD is a direct derivation of the finnish s.m.g. - [[User:Lone Soldier|Lone Soldier]] 10-28-2009 12:17

The PPS deserves it's own page. It's a completely different weapon. The only thing it has in common with the PPSh is the ammo. It can't even share mags. And tthe PPD can go on the MP-28 page. (Or just lump the MP18, MP28, Lanchester and PPD all on one page.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:40, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

::I absolutely agree. PPD and PPS is completely independent weapon that has nothing to do with the PPSh, except cartridge. They deserve their own pages. You also need to mention that the stick magazines used in the PPSh only since 1944, not 1942, as written here. In 1942, PPSh has changed only sight, but not the magazine. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 10:55, 19 November 2011 (CST)
::: I think that it would be better to create their own pages for just all SMGs from this page: ''Suomi KP/-31'', ''PPD-40'' (with ''PPD-34''), ''PPSh-41'' (with ''K-50M''), ''PPS-43'' (with ''PPS-42'', ''m/44'', ''wz/1943/52'' and ''Dux M53''). Although they have much common, these are different enough weapon.
::: And sorry, Flexo, but you are wrong: stick magazines for PPSh were used since 1942 (the resolution of State Comitee for Defence dated Feb.12 1942). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::: I speak not about when the GKO (SCD) resolution has been written, but about when these magazines have appeared in field army. I didn't see any photo denying my words. At least even in 1943 (for example during Kursk fight) these magazines can't be seen (I am assured, you know that photos of Red Army are rather easy for dating if you know dates of change of a uniform and rules of carrying of awards). [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 14:11, 19 November 2011 (CST)
::::: I will examine my collection of wartime photos. As far as I remember there were photos of Red Army soldiers with PPShs with stick magazines during Stalingrad battle. And quick search in internet give [http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/004476/thm/4476558.jpg this photo]. It is battle for Caucasus mountains, early 1943. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 01:10, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::: It is a pity to me, but this photo it is impossible precisely 1943. In this photo we see mountains, the person in a mountain overalls and tropical hat (I had same when I served in KGB troops in 1987) and PPSh-41. Therefore I can tell that it, for example, Central Asia, Pamir, KGB frontier troops, 1950. Now try to deny my words :-)) [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 03:03, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::::: I wait for a photo of Stalingrad battle [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 03:03, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::: OK, it's your right not to trust. :) I'll try to get a 100% proof. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 09:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::: [http://s017.radikal.ru/i415/1111/04/9a9c060ea816.jpg This photo] is attributed: "Stalingrad. Dom Pavlova (Pavlov's building). 1942". Of course drum magasines were seen far more often in this period but I think they were used from late 1942.
:::::::: By the way, "Soviet firearms" by D.Bolotyn (3rd Edition, 1990, p.154) says that in Nov.1943 a new model of stick magazine was designed. It was made of 1 mm thick steel instead of 0.5 mm because the previous model proved itself not very good. So this stick magasine had to be used at least in 1943 in order to prove it somehow, right? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 10:21, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::::::: My friend, do you believe what in the "Pavlov's building" there was a photographer? Ahahah... This photo can be carried absolutely to any period of War. ...Two soldiers shoot in ruins... For example it is storm of Kenigsberg? Why not? ...I will believe that it is 1942 only if I see signs of a military rank on a collars.
:::::::::: As to the BolotIn's book - probably new magazines were tested in 1943, but in photos, unfortunately, they can't be seen. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 13:25, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::::::::: Sorry, I have no "gold proof" so I'll not argue. Maybe you are right. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 13:31, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::: All right mate. I am too not 100 % assured that I am right. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 13:36, 20 November 2011 (CST)

I think the Finnish sub-machine gun deserves it's own page. Or dump it with the MP18 page, too. After all, it was the gun the Soviets based their PPD and PPSh.
Or at least it should be on top of the page.
:Ps. Yes, some PPSh's were converted to 9x19mm Parabellum, especially by the Finnish Army. They also sometimes simply used them as they were. It would have been stupid not to, since the Finns were sometimes so deep in their forests that Parabellum ammo would run out. Plus, it would have to be preserved for the KP/-31's. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:21, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

This was discussed in the [http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1428 forum] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

==Question==
Hi. I made a page for [[Cryostasis]] a few days ago. The PPSh-41 in it strangely keeps firing even when the trigger is released. (It fires about 4-5 rounds.) I read somewhere that this happens with the ''real'' PPSh too. Could anyone confirm this? If it is true, then I would include it on the game's page and also this could be some really realistic modeling/programing never seen before. Thank you. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:49, 15 March 2011 (CDT)

== K-50M ==

Is the K-50M really a Vietnamese copy, it looks nothing like it.--Gunner5

The basic upper and lower receiver is the same except that the barrel jacket is shortened and a AK-type front sight base is fitted. The wooden butt stock was done away with and replaced with sheet metal enclosing the lower receiver and a AK-type pistol grip added. A steel wire, collapsible butt stock, based on the French MAT-49, was added. Though it could still take the drum magazine, the intended mag was the curved 34 round PPSh magazine. The drum mag could not be used with the stock in the retracted position. --Pak43

== Suomi ==

I just want to confirm: the Suomi is only chambered in 9mm Para and nothing else? Not 7.62mm Tok? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:56, 5 July 2012 (CDT)
:According to Jaegerplatoon.net, there was Suomi M/26 in 7.65x21 (or in 7.65x17, in different source). But this model looked different from M/31 and was produced in very limited numbers. "Year 1959 the remaining 57 Suomi M/26 were sold to Interarmco and shipped abroad year 1960." (http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MACHINEPISTOLS1.htm). Finnish M/31 itself was only 9x19. Swedish Husqvarna M/37 copy of Suomi was in 9x20 Browning Long; M/37-41 and later models were in 9x19. Danish and Swiss versions were in 9x19. There is a rumor that there existed a Soviet copy of Suomi in 7.62x25 but I have not seen anything about such model in Russian sources, so it's a question. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 12:39, 5 July 2012 (CDT)
::The screencap below has bottlenecked shell casings coming out of a Suomi. I have a feeling they're just CGI shell casings, but I just want to be sure. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:02, 5 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:MaxM_Suomi_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

The casing being ejected from the weapon look to be 9mm blank cases. The cases are full-length blank rounds. The overall length of the live 9mm round is reproduced for reliable feeding. There is a shoulder formed on the case so it will properly head-space in the chamber.

== And the award for most bizarre use of the PPSh: ==

[[Image:PPSh-bomber.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:56, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

:What. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 18:40, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
::It's a Soviet plane Tupolev Tu-2Sh, an experimental version of Tu-2 bomber. A battery of 88 PPSh was mounted in the bomb bay. The idea was to provide a massive fire against soft targets. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:53, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

Talk:PPSh-41

2015-09-26T08:26:22Z

Pak43: /* Suomi */

= Additional Images =
[[Image:PPS-42.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Soviet PPS-42, early version of PPS-43 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Tikkakoski M_44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tikkakoski M/44 - 9x19mm Parabellum. This is a Finnish version of PPS-43.]]

= Discussion =
how many times must I to write this PPS 43 not PPSh ,it was build by Sudaiev not Shpagin.

Does the page look more organized now?

===Move the KP-31 and the PPD on another page===
I think that it's better move the description of the finnish KP-31 and the soviet PPD on page apart: The mechanical sistem
of the submashingun are somewhat different from the Shpagin/Sudaiev system.
However may be correct put the KP-31 and the PPD togeder, becous the PPD is a direct derivation of the finnish s.m.g. - [[User:Lone Soldier|Lone Soldier]] 10-28-2009 12:17

The PPS deserves it's own page. It's a completely different weapon. The only thing it has in common with the PPSh is the ammo. It can't even share mags. And tthe PPD can go on the MP-28 page. (Or just lump the MP18, MP28, Lanchester and PPD all on one page.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:40, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

::I absolutely agree. PPD and PPS is completely independent weapon that has nothing to do with the PPSh, except cartridge. They deserve their own pages. You also need to mention that the stick magazines used in the PPSh only since 1944, not 1942, as written here. In 1942, PPSh has changed only sight, but not the magazine. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 10:55, 19 November 2011 (CST)
::: I think that it would be better to create their own pages for just all SMGs from this page: ''Suomi KP/-31'', ''PPD-40'' (with ''PPD-34''), ''PPSh-41'' (with ''K-50M''), ''PPS-43'' (with ''PPS-42'', ''m/44'', ''wz/1943/52'' and ''Dux M53''). Although they have much common, these are different enough weapon.
::: And sorry, Flexo, but you are wrong: stick magazines for PPSh were used since 1942 (the resolution of State Comitee for Defence dated Feb.12 1942). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::: I speak not about when the GKO (SCD) resolution has been written, but about when these magazines have appeared in field army. I didn't see any photo denying my words. At least even in 1943 (for example during Kursk fight) these magazines can't be seen (I am assured, you know that photos of Red Army are rather easy for dating if you know dates of change of a uniform and rules of carrying of awards). [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 14:11, 19 November 2011 (CST)
::::: I will examine my collection of wartime photos. As far as I remember there were photos of Red Army soldiers with PPShs with stick magazines during Stalingrad battle. And quick search in internet give [http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/004476/thm/4476558.jpg this photo]. It is battle for Caucasus mountains, early 1943. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 01:10, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::: It is a pity to me, but this photo it is impossible precisely 1943. In this photo we see mountains, the person in a mountain overalls and tropical hat (I had same when I served in KGB troops in 1987) and PPSh-41. Therefore I can tell that it, for example, Central Asia, Pamir, KGB frontier troops, 1950. Now try to deny my words :-)) [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 03:03, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::::: I wait for a photo of Stalingrad battle [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 03:03, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::: OK, it's your right not to trust. :) I'll try to get a 100% proof. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 09:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::: [http://s017.radikal.ru/i415/1111/04/9a9c060ea816.jpg This photo] is attributed: "Stalingrad. Dom Pavlova (Pavlov's building). 1942". Of course drum magasines were seen far more often in this period but I think they were used from late 1942.
:::::::: By the way, "Soviet firearms" by D.Bolotyn (3rd Edition, 1990, p.154) says that in Nov.1943 a new model of stick magazine was designed. It was made of 1 mm thick steel instead of 0.5 mm because the previous model proved itself not very good. So this stick magasine had to be used at least in 1943 in order to prove it somehow, right? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 10:21, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::::::: My friend, do you believe what in the "Pavlov's building" there was a photographer? Ahahah... This photo can be carried absolutely to any period of War. ...Two soldiers shoot in ruins... For example it is storm of Kenigsberg? Why not? ...I will believe that it is 1942 only if I see signs of a military rank on a collars.
:::::::::: As to the BolotIn's book - probably new magazines were tested in 1943, but in photos, unfortunately, they can't be seen. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 13:25, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::::::::: Sorry, I have no "gold proof" so I'll not argue. Maybe you are right. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 13:31, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::::::::: All right mate. I am too not 100 % assured that I am right. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 13:36, 20 November 2011 (CST)

I think the Finnish sub-machine gun deserves it's own page. Or dump it with the MP18 page, too. After all, it was the gun the Soviets based their PPD and PPSh.
Or at least it should be on top of the page.
:Ps. Yes, some PPSh's were converted to 9x19mm Parabellum, especially by the Finnish Army. They also sometimes simply used them as they were. It would have been stupid not to, since the Finns were sometimes so deep in their forests that Parabellum ammo would run out. Plus, it would have to be preserved for the KP/-31's. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:21, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

This was discussed in the [http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1428 forum] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

==Question==
Hi. I made a page for [[Cryostasis]] a few days ago. The PPSh-41 in it strangely keeps firing even when the trigger is released. (It fires about 4-5 rounds.) I read somewhere that this happens with the ''real'' PPSh too. Could anyone confirm this? If it is true, then I would include it on the game's page and also this could be some really realistic modeling/programing never seen before. Thank you. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:49, 15 March 2011 (CDT)

== K-50M ==

Is the K-50M really a Vietnamese copy, it looks nothing like it.--Gunner5

== Suomi ==

I just want to confirm: the Suomi is only chambered in 9mm Para and nothing else? Not 7.62mm Tok? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:56, 5 July 2012 (CDT)
:According to Jaegerplatoon.net, there was Suomi M/26 in 7.65x21 (or in 7.65x17, in different source). But this model looked different from M/31 and was produced in very limited numbers. "Year 1959 the remaining 57 Suomi M/26 were sold to Interarmco and shipped abroad year 1960." (http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MACHINEPISTOLS1.htm). Finnish M/31 itself was only 9x19. Swedish Husqvarna M/37 copy of Suomi was in 9x20 Browning Long; M/37-41 and later models were in 9x19. Danish and Swiss versions were in 9x19. There is a rumor that there existed a Soviet copy of Suomi in 7.62x25 but I have not seen anything about such model in Russian sources, so it's a question. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 12:39, 5 July 2012 (CDT)
::The screencap below has bottlenecked shell casings coming out of a Suomi. I have a feeling they're just CGI shell casings, but I just want to be sure. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:02, 5 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:MaxM_Suomi_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

The casing being ejected from the weapon look to be 9mm blank cases. The cases are full-length blank rounds. The overall length of the live 9mm round is reproduced for reliable feeding. There is a shoulder formed on the case so it will properly head-space in the chamber.

== And the award for most bizarre use of the PPSh: ==

[[Image:PPSh-bomber.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:56, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

:What. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 18:40, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
::It's a Soviet plane Tupolev Tu-2Sh, an experimental version of Tu-2 bomber. A battery of 88 PPSh was mounted in the bomb bay. The idea was to provide a massive fire against soft targets. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:53, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Defiance - Season 1

2013-07-03T20:48:09Z

Pak43: /* Pistol in the shell */

== Pistol in the shell ==

In the pilot you saw a shot through the outer ejection port as Nolan loaded the pistol:
[[File:Defiance S01E01 00037.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Defiance S01E01 00041.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Defiance S01E01 00046.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
Not much to go on, but does anyone have any ideas? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:48, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

In one you can see a rounded slide, which makes me think beretta (taurus possibly) type, but could be anything. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:35, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

I'm going to agree with Iceman on this one. I too believe it's a Beretta or Taurus 92 series. In the shot showing the extractor through the open ejection port, the extractor looks just like the Beretta. The curve and slenderness of the trigger also looks Beretta. Since the Beretta design runs so good and reliable in a blanked configuration, it seems reasonable to me that this weapon would be based on such a platform. (pak43)

== Alien Weapons ==

[[File:Defiance S01E03 04.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Not a real weapon, but liked the combination of an alien weapon feeding from a human ammunition belt backpack.]]
I believe this is a Tyr Tactical MICO with either a different ammo chute or with the cover removed. Anyone know if this has been used in anything else? If it is its first appearance in film/TV it is kind of ironic that it isn't actually attached to a belt red weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:28, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

I'd imagine that it's just a mockup. I can't see spending $4k for a ammo feed that barely gets used. Just make your own, it's faster and vastly cheaper.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:18, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
:There are lots more shots of it in the episode but i didn't bother capping them as it wasn't actually a gun, but I'm fairly sure it is a real one as you get a good shot of the back of it and it matches the MICO. I would imagine that the pack is owned by the prop company that provides the weapons for the show and they just happened to use it for this alien gun, as opposed to buying it especially for this non functional gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:01, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

Here are a couple more shots of it, deffinitely a MICO pack:
[[File:Defiance S01E03 MICO 2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Defiance S01E03 MICO 1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
However the belt chute is different. May be remembering wrong, but I believe the majority of the cost of these is the belt feed itself and the adapters, if they were using an old milsurp one it would be much cheaper. Also IMHO the old feed from helicopter door guns like this look much better than the Tyr one which is onther reason why a prop company might go for it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:29, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Defiance - Season 1

2013-07-03T20:46:28Z

Pak43: /* Pistol in the shell */

== Pistol in the shell ==

In the pilot you saw a shot through the outer ejection port as Nolan loaded the pistol:
[[File:Defiance S01E01 00037.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Defiance S01E01 00041.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Defiance S01E01 00046.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
Not much to go on, but does anyone have any ideas? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:48, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

In one you can see a rounded slide, which makes me think beretta (taurus possibly) type, but could be anything. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:35, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

I'm going to agree with Iceman on this one. I too believe it's a Beretta or Taurus 92 series. In the shot showing the extractor through the open ejection port, the extractor looks just like the Beretta. The curve and slenderness of the trigger also looks Beretta. Since the Beretta design runs so good and reliable in a blanked configuration, it seems reasonable to me that this weapon would be based on such a platform.

== Alien Weapons ==

[[File:Defiance S01E03 04.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Not a real weapon, but liked the combination of an alien weapon feeding from a human ammunition belt backpack.]]
I believe this is a Tyr Tactical MICO with either a different ammo chute or with the cover removed. Anyone know if this has been used in anything else? If it is its first appearance in film/TV it is kind of ironic that it isn't actually attached to a belt red weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:28, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

I'd imagine that it's just a mockup. I can't see spending $4k for a ammo feed that barely gets used. Just make your own, it's faster and vastly cheaper.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:18, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
:There are lots more shots of it in the episode but i didn't bother capping them as it wasn't actually a gun, but I'm fairly sure it is a real one as you get a good shot of the back of it and it matches the MICO. I would imagine that the pack is owned by the prop company that provides the weapons for the show and they just happened to use it for this alien gun, as opposed to buying it especially for this non functional gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:01, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

Here are a couple more shots of it, deffinitely a MICO pack:
[[File:Defiance S01E03 MICO 2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Defiance S01E03 MICO 1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
However the belt chute is different. May be remembering wrong, but I believe the majority of the cost of these is the belt feed itself and the adapters, if they were using an old milsurp one it would be much cheaper. Also IMHO the old feed from helicopter door guns like this look much better than the Tyr one which is onther reason why a prop company might go for it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:29, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Cross of Iron

2012-01-14T08:50:15Z

Pak43:

I'm going to screencap this. I really liked this movie when i watched it last year.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

: I took the liberty of capping and adding the missing bits :) --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 13:17, 13 January 2012 (CST)

I went to a WWII reenactment today and there was a guy in German gear who looked exactly like how James Coburn did in this movie. It was badass. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:19, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

I was at a Civil War reenactment where I took a small group forward to scout the Confederate lines. We were unable to return to our original place on the line and ended up coming in on the far right flank. As we were running in, my Corporal yelled that we were about to be fired upon by our own troops, who being from a different unit, didn't know who we were. All I could think about was to yell, "Demarcation!" several times. Upon which I heard their officer shout, "Hold your fire, men. It's Steiner's group coming back in!" It was cool that somebody made the connection. Pak43 03:46, 14 January 2012 EDT

Talk:Cross of Iron

2012-01-14T08:48:01Z

Pak43:

Star Trek: The Original Series

2011-11-06T21:51:43Z

Pak43: /* Smoothbore Flintlock Muskets */

[[Image:TOSopeninglogo.jpg|right|thumb|350px|''Star Trek (The Original Series)'' (1966 - 1969)]]

''Star Trek'' is the classic science fiction television series that began the phenomenon. The series followed the crew of the starship Enterprise as they explored new worlds throughout the galaxy. The series only ran for three seasons from 1966-1969, but its cult following helped spawn four more television series as well as numerous feature films. While the crew mostly used futuristic "phaser" weapons, they did encounter several worlds patterned after time periods in Earth history, where many real world firearms were featured. In order to differentiate itself from its many spinoffs, the series is also known as ''Star Trek: The Original Series''.

'''The following guns appear in the television series ''Star Trek'':'''

== Colt 1921AC Thompson ==

* '''Season 2, Episode 17: "A Piece of the Action"''' - the crew of the U.S.S. ''Enterprise'' arrive at the planet Sigma Iotia II and find that the inhabitants have styled their entire culture based on a book describing 1920's-era Chicago gangs (cultural contamination left by the crash of the U.S.S. ''Horizon''), and have even armed themselves with copies of [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1921 Thompson|Colt 1921AC Thompson]] submachine guns. When Captain James T. Kirk ([[William Shatner]]) and Lt. Commander Spock ([[Leonard Nimoy]]) go down to the surface, they don disguises to blend in with the inhabitants, arming themselves with "Tommyguns" as well. The Colt 1921AC Thompsons were supplied by Stembridge Gun Rentals.

[[Image:M1921Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt 1921AC Thompson .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction doubleTommy.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Lt.Cmdr. Spock (left) and Cpt. Kirk (center) talk with a street kid (Sheldon Collins) while holding Colt 1921AC Thompsons]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction SpockMcCoy.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt.Cmdr Spock (left) and Doctor Leonard H. McCoy ([[DeForest Kelley]], right) wielding Colt 1921AC Thompsons]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction Thompson049.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Two gangsters holding M1921C Thompson Submachine guns]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction 3TwinTomm.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Nearly all of the gangsters wield M1921C Thompsons]]

==Colt Model 1903==

* '''Season 2, Episode 17: "A Piece of the Action"''' - some of the gun molls on the street have what appears to be Colt M1903 pistols in their oversized leg holsters. This educated guess is based on glimpses of the pistols.

[[Image:Colt Model 1903.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Model 1903 .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction M1903.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Girl #1 (Dyanne Thorne) keeps her hand on her pistol, but it appears to be a M1903 based on size relative to her hand.]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction womenpistols.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Girl #1 and Girl #2 (Sharyn Hillyer) both appear to have Colt M1903 pistols in their oversized holsters]]

==.32 Pocket Revolver==
* '''Season 2, Episode 17: "A Piece of the Action"''' - Bella Oxmyx's moll has an ivory grip small revolver in her thigh holster. It is hard to identify, it could be a H&R .32 or a S&W .32 ACP Hammerless Model 4 snub. (input welcome)
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction SmallRevolver2.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Bella Oxmyx's moll with a small revolver in her thigh holster, it looks to be a .32 based on general design, but that is not certain.]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction SmallRevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AS Bella Oxmyx's plays with a communicator, his moll looks towards the sky, knowing that he is speaking with a ship in orbit. She has a small revolver in her thigh holster that appears to be a .32 revolver.]]

==Danish Madsen M50 Submachine guns==
* '''Season 2, Episode 25: "Bread and Circuses"''' - Members of the Roman Security forces carry Madsen M50 submachine guns.

[[Image:DanishMadsenm50.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Madsen M50 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Bread and Circuses M50Outside.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Roman Security Forces take Kirk and the others into custody, while carrying Danish Madsen M50 Submachine guns]]
[[Image:Bread and Circuses M50.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Roman Security Forces fire their Danish Madsen M50 Submachine guns]]

== M1911==

*'''Season 2, Episode 17: "A Piece of the Action"''' - The [[M1911 pistol series#M1911|M1911]] is seen used multiple times in the episode, most notably being used by one of Oxmixes thugs, on Bella Oxmyx's gun wall, and in Kirk's hands near the end. Note: these are not M1911A1 variants, most notably by the flat mainspring housing.
[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction Nickel1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kirk pontificates with his Nickel plated M1911]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction Nickel191102.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Kirk threatens Jojo Krako ([[Vic Tayback]]) with his Nickel plated M1911]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction Gunwall.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|McCoy watches - in addition to Thompsons on the gun wall, there are M1911 pistols in blued finish]]

== Single Action Army ==

* '''Season 3, Episode 6: "Spectre of the Gun"''' - the crew of the ''Enterprise'' arrive at the planet Melkot on a mission to establish diplomatic relations with the inhabitants, only to find themselves transported to a recreation of the ancient American west where they are to die in a reenactment of the infamous "OK Corral" shootout as punishment for trespassing on Melkotian territory. The simulated characters and the protagonsts are all armed with [[Single Action Army]] revolvers, Marshall Wyatt Earp ([[Ron Soble]]) should be armed with a 12-inch Buntline Special version but all of the characters in the episode carry "Artillery" models with 5.5-inch barrels. What made this episode controversial at the time (and even now) is the depiction of the Earps as the villains and the "Cowboys" (aka McLaurys & Clantons) as the 'good guys', though history generally portrays the roles as being reversed.

[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Single Action Army "Artillery" .45 Long Colt with 5.5" barrel]]
[[Image:Spectre of the Gun sheriffGun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Cochise County Sheriff John Behan (Bill Zuckert) has an Colt SAA in his holster. Behan resists helping Kirk and his men.]]
[[Image:Spectre of the Gun Saloon.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Kirk, McCoy, Spock and Scotty all wear SAAs on their gun belts. Kirk's SAA has ivory grips. There is also a double barreled shotgun on the saloon table, but it is not used by them in the final fight.]]
[[Image:Spectre of the Gun SAA 01.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Morgan Earp ([[Rex Holman]]) fires the killing shot that takes down Chekov, using a Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:Spectre of the Gun Lineup2.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|(Left to right) Virgil Earp (Charles Maxwell), Morgan Earp (Rex Holman), Wyatt Earp (Ron Soble) use Colt SAAs whereas Doc Holliday (Sam Gilman) uses a double barreled shotgun.]]
[[Image:Spectre of the Gun KirksSAA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kirk aims his SAA at Wyatt Earp (Ron Soble) but opts not to use it]]

==Double Barreled shotgun==

* '''Season 3, Episode 6: "Spectre of the Gun"''' - a double barreled western shotgun is seen several times, once in the possession of Kirk and the others and ultimately used by Doc Holliday during the fight at the O.K. Corral.

[[Image:Colt1878.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Model 1878 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Spectre of the Gun Lineup1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|(Left to right) Virgil Earp (Charles MaxwelL), Wyatt Earp (Ron Soble), Morgan Earp (Rex Holman) use Colt SAAs where as Doc Holliday (Sam Gilman) uses a double barreled shotgun. The lineup of men all empty their guns, reload, and then fire again once more.]]

*'''Season 2, Episode 17: "A Piece of the Action"''' - a gangster can be seen with a short barreled side by side shotgun.

[[Image:IGA-Coach-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Stoeger/IGA Coach Shotgun 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Pieceoftheaction ShortShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The gangster standing behind Zabo (Steven Marlo) in the back has a short double barreled shotgun - 12 gauge]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==

* '''Season 1, Episode 15: "Shore Leave"''' - Lt. Hikaru Sulu ([[George Takei]]) finds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]], he refers to it as a ".38 revolver in beautiful condition", and test fires it on the planet, causing Kirk and the others to come running. What was nice to see was Sulu mentioning that this particular gun was 'missing from his collection', which implied that the character was a gun collector. Kirk later uses the revolver to shoot down the charging 'knight' that spears Doctor McCoy.

[[Image:S&W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Revolver - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Shoreleave Mod10A1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Sulu shows off his long barreled Model 10]]
[[Image:Shoreleave Model10A2A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Sulu looks so happy now that he's found a vintage .38 Revolver...]]

* '''Season 1, Episode 19: "Tomorrow is Yesterday"''' - USAF SPs (Special Police) carry the S&W Model 10 revolver in their duty holsters. One of the SP Staff Sergeants (E5) (Hal Lynch) is accidentally transported to the USS ''Enterprise'' with his Model 10 revolver drawn. Note: He should have the [[Smith & Wesson Model 15|Model 15]], since that revolver was the standard issue for USAF Security Police since 1962, but as evident in the screencaps, his revolver has fixed sights, thus indicating it is a Model 10.
[[Image:TomorrowisyesterdayWSModel10.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|USAF Special Police Staff Sgt. (E5) (Hal Lynch) carries a Smith & Wesson Model 10 with stag grips]]
[[Image:Tomorrowisyesterday Model10.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|USAF Special Police Staff Sgt. (E5) (Hal Lynch) carries a Smith & Wesson Model 10 with stag grips]]

==Colt Police Positive==

* '''Season 2, Episode 21: "Patterns of Force"''' - A [[Colt Police Positive]] revolver is used by Daras (Valora Noland) and then by Spock.

[[Image:PolicePositive.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Police Positive .38 Special]]
[[Image:PatternsOfForceColtGirl.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Daras holds a Colt Police Positive revolver on Kirk and Spock]]
[[Image:PatternsOfForceColtHand.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The tables are turned and Kirk grabs his P38 while Spock holds the Colt Police Positive to the head of Daras]]
[[Image:PatternsOfForce Model10.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Spock holds a Colt Police Positive to the head of Daras]]

==Walther P38==

* '''Season 2, Episode 21: "Patterns of Force"''' - the [[Walther P38]] appears as the standard sidearm used by Ekosian officers (who have adopted identical uniforms and symbology of the Nazi party in 1930s Germany), mostly seen in clamshell holsters on duty belts, but specifically used by Zeon infiltrator Isak (Richard Evans).

[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 9x19mm]]
[[Image:PatternsOfForce P38.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Isak (Richard Evans) holds a Walther P38 pistol whereas Daras holds an MP40]]

==MP40==

* '''Season 2, Episode 21: "Patterns of Force"''' - the [[MP40]] appears as the standard submachine gun used by the Ekosian Soldiers, specifically used by the villain, Melakon (Skip Homeier) to shoot the Fuehrer, John Gill (David Brian).

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MP40 9x19mm]]
[[Image:PatternsOfForce MP40s.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Ekosian Guards hold MP40 Submachine guns]]

==Belgian Dueling pistols==

* '''Season 1, Episode 17: "The Squire of Gothos"''' - Belgian Dueling pistols are in a custom case on Trelane's fireplace mantle. Later he offers the pistols to Kirk for a duel. The Belgian made Dueling Pistols are of the French style, and were usually offered as either flintlock or percussion capped firearms, these were retrofitted as rolling block actions, i.e. breach load single shot. The slabs on the side of the wood where the lock mechanism (the hammer, ''(pan and frizzen for flintlocks)'' or ''(nipple for percussion cap)'') would be, are noticeably blank, and the rolling block mechanism can be seen directly behind the barrel. They were provided to the show by Ellis Mercantile and were chambered in .38 short cartridge. ''(thanks to GM45 & PhoenixEnt)''

[[Image:Thesquireofgothos FP03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A pair of Belgian Dueling Pistols in a wooden case.]]
[[Image:Thesquireofgothos FP02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Squire Trelane attempts to intimidate Kirk while brandishing a Belgian Dueling Pistol - the rolling block action is very visible from this angle.]]
[[Image:Thesquireofgothos FP01.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Kirk holds one of the Belgian Dueling Pistols]]

==Smoothbore Flintlock Muskets==

* '''Season 2, Episode 19: A Private Little War''' - flintlock smoothbore muskets are provided to the enemy faction on the planet Neural, when the Klingons seek to disrupt the balance of power. The Klingon Krell (Ned Romero) explains that the Klingons will eventually introduce better weapons technology like 'rifling' to make the long guns more 'accurate'.
[[Image:APrivateLittleWar Musket01.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Enemy Tribesmen with their muskets]]
[[Image:APrivateLittleWarFlintlock02.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Enemy Tribesman fires his musket]]
[[Image:APrivateLittleWarFlintlock04.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px| Krell (Ned Romero) talks with a Tribesman about the technological improvements that the Klingons will eventually give to them, including 'rifled barrels'. It is very interesting that the show decided to cast Ned Romero, a 'Native American Indian' actor, to portray a military officer 'meddling' in the affairs of the indigenous tribal peoples. The Cold War analogy here was pretty blatant being the mid to early 1960s, with the Klingons being the Soviet Union and Warshaw Pact and the Federation representing the U.S. and NATO. The small countries and conflicts which were just pawns to the competing superpowers was metaphorically portrayed by the planet's inhabitants. The script took no sides, other than the sad observation that one had to walk a fine line in limiting one's enemies from using 3rd parties as proxies and ruining one's own allies societies in trying to counter that threat.]]
[[Image:APrivateLittleWarFlintlock05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|''"I want more of these Kirk."'']]

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The muskets are actually Trapdoor Springfield rifles that have been restocked and the lock plates reworked to look like a flintlock. This was a common thing in the early days of movies and TV. It allowed the use of a metallic cartridge blank round. (Pak43)

Talk:The Last Emperor

2011-10-24T06:43:59Z

Pak43: /* Nambu */

==Nambu==
I'm not sure what it is, but I'm pretty sure that's not a 94. The barrel is narrower, the frame doesn't extend underneath the barrel, and the rear sight is wrong.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:44, 23 October 2011 (CDT)

I had my doubts about it too, I only put it there since I had no other guesses. The frame's too big to be the other Nambu, either. Time to hit the internet. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:29, 23 October 2011 (CDT)

Maybe a Papa Nambu? http://members.shaw.ca/nambuworld2/papagallery.htm [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:38, 23 October 2011 (CDT)

The Papa Nambu is a variant of the [[Nambu Type A 1902]]. The rear sights on the gun in the movie are different from any of the 1902s and the top of the frame (slide?) is too angular.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:31, 23 October 2011 (CDT)

Fudge. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 21:51, 23 October 2011 (CDT)

The unidentified pistol is an Italian Model 1910 Glisenti. I reckon they couldn't get a hold of a Nambu. The Glisenti looks similar to the 1902 'Papa' Nambu. IMHO, the Nambu is a better weapon. The Glisenti is definitely an odd piece. I can't ever recall seeing one in a film before.

The Last Emperor

2011-10-24T06:34:43Z

Pak43: Unidentified pistol is 1910 Glisenti.

[[Image:TLE_poster.jpg|thumb|right|350px| ''The Last Emperor'' (1987)]]

'''The Last Emperor''' is a 1987 biopic directed by Bernardo Bertolucci about the ultimately tragic life of China's last emperor, Puyi (known in the West as Pu Yi). The film follows the emperor (portrayed as an adult by [[John Lone]]) from being worshipped by a billion people to his life as a humble gardener in the People's Republic of China. The film was highly acclaimed and won many awards upon its release, including Best Picture and Best Director at the 60th Academy Awards.

'''The following weapons appear in ''The Last Emperor'':'''

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==FN Model 10==
Upon hearing the Forbidden City's corrupt eunuchs have burnt down a storehouse to cover their tracks, Puyi (John Lone) draws an [[FN Model 1910/1922|FN Model 10]] and holds it on the servant who told him the news. The pistol is never seen after this scene
[[Image:FN Model 1910 1616.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN Model 1910 - .380 ACP]]
[[image: TLE_FN_M_10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Puyi pulls a pistol out of his robe when told about the storehouse.]]

1910 Italian Glisenti
Amidst the confusion of the Russian invasion of Manchukuo (a Japanese puppet state in Manchuria, whose position of head of state was offered to Puyi) in August 1945, one of Puyi's Japanese advisers commits suicide with a currently unidentified pistol.
[[Image: TLE_Nambu_94.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Japanese adviser with a fresh hole in his head.]]

==Hanyang Type 88==
The Kuomintang troops who force Puyi out of the Forbidden City in 1924 are all armed with Hanyang Type 88 rifles, as distinguishable by their slightly curved magazines. The Hanyang was an unlicensed copy of the [[Mauser Rifle Series#Gewehr 1888|Gewehr 1888 Commission Rifle]]. The rifles could be rubber props or badly treated Chinese surplus, since they lack a bayonet lug.
[[Image:Hanyang Type 88.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hanyang Type 88 rifle - 7.92x57mm]]

==Type 99 Light Machine Gun==
The two soldiers making up Puyi's bodyguard in Manchukuo are both armed with [[Type 99 Light Machine Gun|Type 99 Machine Guns]].
[[image:Type99LMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 99 light machine gun - 7.7x58mm Arisaka]]
[[Image:TLE_Type99.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Puyi sulks around the Wei Huang Gong palace as the Russian army draws closer. His bodyguard have the LMGs.]]
[[Image:TLE_Type99_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The (former) Empress Ran Wong drunkenly makes her way up the stairs of the palace.]]
[[Image:TLE_Type99_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bodyguard with a Type 99 stands watch as Puyi tries to flee Manchukuo. ]]

==Hotchkiss Gun==
When leaving the Forbidden City, the Kuomintang has a pair of armored cars escort Puyi and his entourage out. Both of the cars are armed with [[Hotchkiss M1914 Machine Gun|Hotchkiss]] machine guns.
[[Image:M1914Hotchkiss.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1914 Hotchkiss Machine Gun with Tripod]]

==PPSh-41==
Toward the beginning of the film, the guards at the Chinese political prison where Puyi is being kept are armed with [[PPSh-41 / PPS-43|PPSh-41s]]. The Soviet paratroops who capture Puyi at the end of World War II are also armed with the submachine gun.
[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|PPSh-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image: TLE_PPSH_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After discovering the plane has no pilots, Puyi and co. are captured by Russian soldiers.]]
[[Image: TLE_PPSH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Puyi has a [[PPSh-41]] pointed at him as he realizes he has reached the end of the line.]]

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